Welp, I guess I can use Reddit as my blog until things are working normally. AMA and I'll answer as best I can.
General Learning Philosophy: Anything can be understood if we approach it the right way. Spoken language, writing, number systems, we figured these out. We can learn math too. The system I like (ADEPT) is
Analogy - Tell me what it's like
Diagram - Help me visualize it
Example - Allow me to experience it
Plain English - Describe it with everyday words
Technical - Discuss the formal details
Example: Negative numbers were finally understood in the late 1700s. When the American Revolution was happening. They baffled people for so long because "How can you have less than nothing?". Something can be there, or not there, but what does "negative there" mean?
Doesn't make sense! So, we have BC and AD (before an event, after an event), debits vs credits (two ways to track your balance, not a negative balance), East and West (not negative West) and so on.
But with the analogy of a number line, boom, negative numbers make sense. You have a single scale, with a neutral point, and you can go left and right from there. One analogy and the "opposite of there" make sense. (Now we get into fun philosophy: how can the universe come from nothing? How can 0 = -1 + 1? How can zero be made of two non-zero things? Not saying that's the answer, I'm just saying we have way better ways to think now! That's how math expands your brain.)
Most of math is like that. Arithmetic is impossibly tedious when thinking about numbers as individual lines (III), or in the Roman Numeral system. Move to decimals (sets of 10) and you've just unlocked a superpower. Not a lot more work, but you have 3rd graders with better math skills than Roman emperors. That's how learning should be done baby.
Update: Time to dust off the old subreddit I made a while back! (7 years ago... now's the time to shine!)
Site update: I've got the site back under control. I think. Let's see how much huggin' is out there.
Donation update: A few people have asked how to suppor the site. I don't have donations, but a buddy cajoled me into starting a patreon: https://www.patreon.com/betterexplained
Honestly, my goal is to share insights that actually work with everyone. The site is free, an honest recommendation to a friend or family member who it could help is more than enough. I'm thinking of rewards for supporters (Q&A calls, etc.) and ideas are welcome!
I have struggled with these concepts from Precalc to calc 2 and I never had a firm understanding of the subjects. I felt like I was just memorizing equations and computations. This is the first time I can actually say that I understand a trig concept after reading your explanations. Thank you so much!
Thanks, glad to hear it! One of my big life philosophies is that any concept can be understood if we approach it the right way. Very happy to hear it made sense :).
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:29:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I'm 33 and always had trouble understanding math. Your site makes it much easier to understand. I wish math teachers thought this way in school. Awesome site.
Thanks man. I'm about the same age and am finally getting things to click that bothered me way back in high school.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:05:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm excited to check it out. I've been teaching math to kids in bad schools for a decade, and I take a similar approach to you. I have faith that even those that struggle mightily will understand a concept ig taught correctly. Eg, I teach the number line drawn vertically, and I talk about zero being ground level, with below it (negatives) being underground. This clarifies the concept almost instantly for kids. It's like a revelation. All of algebra can be taught in a sensical way too, making it much easier for kids to grasp.
Nice! But do you reverse the number line back to horizontal for the Cartesian plane or are you working with it as the y-axis all along? I imagine that defining it as y first wouldn't be so bad actually.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the coordinate plane is used as is.
I hadn't thought about connecting it (the vertical number line) to the y-axis, actually - though that now makes sense. I like to avoid any further abstraction, at the time of teaching this, though. One thing at a time, and keeping their brain in the concept of integers as numbers in relation to ground - level. Eg, "OK, your starting 5 feet underground (-5) and you're going up 8 feet (+8). Where do you end up?"
Exactly. I think the vast, vast majority of concepts are not inherently difficult, we're just looking at them wrong. Often time we just hand down the lessons we struggled through, instead of wondering if there's a way to have it really click. Awesome to see how you're helping kids in the real world.
romancity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I like his site a lot also. Some thoughts on your post.
I think drawing the number line vertically is risky. Horizontally is so established, and if you can argue they can adjust, then let them adjust to horizontal at first.
Also, we write horizontally b/c it's simpler.
Lastly, you can always start with horizontal, then talk vertical, then even show both. One example may be a construction worker measuring left/right on the ground, and up/down with construction elevators.
All of algebra can be taught in a sensual way too, making it much easier for kids to grasp.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:51 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha... Um, I meant sensical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Congratulations for taking the time and doing this .. I am more than familiar with all of these concepts because of what I do, checked out a few of your pages and it is refreshing.
To be perfectly honest, I felt that a lot of the important stuff is buried with lots of unnecessary anectodes, (writing "our bacterial friends" doesn't help anyone learn anything, and it is not really that much fun to have to sift through that stuff if I was trying to learn something technical), and you seem to believe that somehow your playful method is more effective.
The explanation of imaginary numbers and exponentials were far from original, and the point is, they do not need to be. When a beginner is approaching the concept for the first time, finding a new way of explaining it really is not that necessary all that much. You want to find the most important notions being imparted as quickly and as efficiently possible. They are new beginners after all, they are not the same students that would appreciate a new angle. Unless you are Feynman, who had a very good balance between anectodes and concrete stuff, it is really hard to pull off being original, while dismissing a gigantically inhomogeneous resource such as Wikipedia as "rigorous" to the point of being "obscure". You are very well aware that whatever you say in those pages are in Wikipedia with much more detail, in some shape or form, and Wiki really doesn't read like Annals of Mathematics either.
Your approach has this "Work can be fun!" type of vibe, which is overrated.
If you want to learn imaginary numbers, you check 10 different general references and try to get it, plain English may seem useful superficially, but I can see it'll get old very quickly.
Hey there! Thanks for the feedback, always glad to see honest feedback about what works / doesn't.
1) For playfulness, I know what you mean about the "work can be fun!" ("Let's memorize pi by singing a song!") and I hate that too. It's cheating the students from actually understand the concept. A better way to put it: when you finally understand a concept, that is incredibly fun. It's like actually hearing the song instead of staring at the sheet music. That's the type of fun I want (not trying to have fun by memorizing the sheet music).
2) Originality isn't that important -- we should use what works -- but I honestly haven't see any math lessons that use rotation examples for imaginary numbers. Literally every one I've seen (over the past 7 years) has people factoring algebraic equations like x2 + 3, where the solution could be imaginary. Never "Let's rotate this shape using imaginary numbers!". (Which is 100x more applicable and enjoyable, esp. since you'd normally need trig for that.)
Appreciate the feedback!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:00 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Honestly, there's too much context loss with the internet (tone of voice, facial expression, etc.) I just assume the best. And anonymous248 was very thoughtful in his/her reply too.
If someone is rude (which is fine, it happens) you just learn to move on. Life's too short.
Good point, but what's your intuition for rotation being imaginary numbers?
Here's how I see it. On a one dimensional number line we can move right/left (+/-), stretch (x, multiply), or flip (-, negative).
How can we repeat an action to go from 1 to -1? Well, we can move left twice, but we already know that is saying 1 -1 -1 = -1.
Is there any other way? Well, no, not on the number line. But if we allow rotation, and hence force another dimension, then rotating 90` takes care of it.
Thanks. Yeah, it's a bit like English, if we say "Go home" we really mean "You go home". The subject is implicit and when first learning, you want things to be very explicit. x2 = -1 is a transformation that starts from 1.0.
asingh21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Kalid, Your works looks great. I just failed Multivariable Calculus. I just can't understand 3 D space and all the concepts like Flux, etc. Do you have something for me?
There's a full series from that page. Hope that helps!
asingh21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is great. Would love it if you had wrote a book on Multivariable Calculus and also Stochastic Calculus. Basically your work was just what I needed in my life.
You've probably already thought of this, but have you ever tried giving an in-depth explanation for how you approach problems? I feel like that would be extremely useful.
I've tutored people with college math, and it seems like concepts are outside the scope of rote memorization. I (and a friend with 50+ years experience as a math teacher) feel that the concept is more important than the equation (the reason for being)- but the way math is taught we are typically given a key (the equation) without a map (the problem being solved).
Thanks! I agree, the concept is key -- it's what we remember long after the details are forgotten. And the details are easy to relearn if the concept was internalized correctly. I think that's the heart of education, being familiar and comfortable with ideas so you can rehydrate them when necessary, vs. having a fragile, one-time understanding.
We love you! In all seriousness, I struggled so much with more basic math (statistics/calculus) when I was younger, and simply couldn't "get it". (Also, the teacher's method of teaching was to write the formulas on the board and yell if we didn't get it.
Love you too! Argh, it kills me, when people are afraid to ask questions it just shuts down learning. It was actually a similar experience (being super frustrated by a bad teacher) that made me want to write things how I wish I was taught.
Yes. Picture a 7th grader with a intimidating math teacher. Or an adult with an intimidating college prof. If you get yelled at, you immediately feel you are far, far behind your classmates, and an idiot beyond help and you simply find a way to extricate yourself from the meeting, slowly back out and hope you get a passing grade on the final. And you swear to yourself, "I will never, ever to a math equation again for the rest of my life once this class is over."
Your website is wonderful - you will help many people.
Freak out a bit with a site alert at 7 in the morning.
Once you wake up...
Generate a fully static version of your site. I was using a WordPress Caching plugin, but even with the plugin WordPress is making a lot of database requests. I used the "simply static" plugin to make a static copy of the site. (Static means it's a fully rendered document, instead of the "raw text" that needs to be injected in a template, menus/footers added, etc.)
Put the static version of your site somewhere (such as betterexplained.com/static)
Change your web server to send requests for the live version of the document to the static version. In my case, an article at betterexplained.com/articles/blah goes to betterexplained.com/static/articles/blah
Ideally, I'd change the requests so the static version gets served in-place of the live one, but I don't care right now. Mostly trying to get something working and answer questions.
Keep an eye on site performance. I'm seeing 2.7k simultaneous visitors (over 100x the site average) and since the numbers are still there I'm assuming things are good.
Hope that helps.
mr_huh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're a one man start-up. Thanks!
Umutuku ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tons of calculus, diff-eq, lin-al, and a few EE classes, and no one ever said the word "rotation" when talking about complex numbers. This is what pisses me off so much about uni. It's always "this is some shit, accept it, and use it for this over here" instead of understanding what the hell it is in the first place.
Argh, that's exactly it! It's just a single word -- rotation -- and YEARS of math classes suddenly get easier (it happened to me too, I was happy/angry at the same time). It kills me. But we can help make it easier for the kids in school now.
Really glad it helped.
Umutuku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely helped. I'll be going through the rest of your material too and see what sort of insights you have.
I'd like to pick your brain on your learning/teaching-strategy perspectives sometime if you don't mind. 90% of the thoughts going through my head in university were basically just realizing the educational system was pretty fucked, trying to understand how and why it was fucked, and scheming up innovations to unfuckulate it all. I have a lot of other things I'm working on at the moment (automation and athletic medical device startups), but I have this desire to go back to the source on a lot of those problems and make some quantum leaps in the human learning experience so I take on side projects in that vein from time to time. There are a ton of people doing awesome things in the tech-startup world and through "intrapreneurship" in schools. I'd love to see your take on where the education ecosystem is headed.
Weโre at a 45 degree angle, with equal parts in the real and imaginary (1 + i). Itโs like a hotdog with both mustard and ketchup โ who says you need to choose?
Now I'm fucking hungry and have to run out to the store. Thanks.
Over the years I've been taking stock positions in the massively overlooked hot dog industry. All the subtle product placement is going to pay off big!
It was beautifully written. I can't wait to show my 13 year old son, who is in his first year of high school and bursting to learn everything science and math.
Awesome! I love helping parents explore new concepts with their kids. Also, it's a personal thing, make the diagrams/analogies/metaphors your own. I'm just a guy pointing out a nice sunset, maybe you have a better vantage point.
As someone with autism/retardation I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I only started reading about imaginary numbers but the way you put "i" as a pattern of "X,Y,-X,-Y" finally made it click in my head.
God I wish resources like your website and special ed in general was as good as it is now when I was growing up, Might actually have had a chance...
Thank you so much, I love it when things click for people. Usually it's just a single sentence or example that makes you go "Oh!!! Now I get it!". Same, I wish I had resources like this too, but we can always help out the kids coming up now.
Horforia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just read the first one about imaginary numbers, and the idea of using it to know how to move across the water in a boat is what makes this seem useful.
This being said, when you described i as flipping 90 degrees, I immediately wanted there to be a third...set of numbers? With the "normal" numbers being negative and positive, and i being perpendicular to that, why not have a third set of numbers perpendicular to the plane of those two sets? This way the analogy of the boat on water translates to a submarine under water, or a spaceship in space.
Does such a set of numbers exist? Can there be a fourth set of numbers to represent the dimension of time, parallel? to the "space" of the other set of numbers? If yes, it would make sense to me that there be a fifth set of "numbers" to represent whatever is perpendicular to time.
Tl;dr: This article answered one math question, but has given me even more math questions, and I'm not sure what words to use to make sense anymore.
Yes!!! I love it. That's exactly the question you ask when an idea clicks: Where else can we go?
There are 4d numbers called Quaternions that are used to model rotations in video games. Just like imaginary numbers can model 2d numbers, as you've seen.
There's a bit of math why we need 4d numbers to correctly model 3d rotations (google "Gimbal Lock") but it's awesome.
We can go higher and higher, but at some point it becomes easier to just write down numbers in a list vs. giving all the dimensions different letters. That list is called a "vector" and linear algebra is the study of how to use them!
Yes, this can be generalized to arbitrary dimensions, and it gets even more interesting in 3 and 4 dimensions. You could try googling "geometric algebra" or "algebra of physical space" or "spacetime algebra" or in general "clifford algebras."
Thanks, and no way. I hate it when people take a holier-than-thou approach to education. We're all trying to climb the same mountain, let's help each other out.
redlaWw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've only just started looking, but I'm a maths student looking to go into teaching, and this site is amazing. One critique from what I've seen so far is that I think going into complex numbers to explain addition formulae is unnecessarily complicated; the same process could be done with coรถrdinates in R2, and while I like the complex numbers approach, students who haven't met them before are likely to struggle with them (at the very least, it's a significant complication for those who struggle with abstraction). Nonetheless, in general, I like what I see, and will definitely keep this site in mind in the future (assuming it stays up until I start teaching).
Thanks for the feedback! Yes, the trig angle formulas with complex number is probably too much for a first treatment. But for someone who has studied higher math it could be a new way to look at them. Thanks for the comment!
Hello Kalid,
I am a student who has always had trouble understanding concepts in math. I know that I can get it eventually, but explanations don't normally click for me.
I just want to say that your explanation on imaginary numbers just clicked for me. Now I am inspired to learn more. You have a gift sir, and I thank you for your awesome service.
Hey, thanks for the note! I made the site for other students so it's awesome to hear when it's working. That clicking feeling is something that can happen for any topic if we find the right explanation for it (math, science, history, etc.). Really glad the site helped.
Hi thanks so much for this. It's an amazing resource.
I hope I wont be taking away from your spotlight too much if I ask you what kind of resources it took to develop this incredible tool, and what you think the barriers to implementing solutions like this at state and federal levels are.
Given that most students have a web browser in their pocket, shouldn't they already have a product like yours ready at hand?
I feel like this is something that should be implemented in education nationwide. It seems like a no-brainer to me. So I just hoped you might have some insight into what the reality of that kind of implementation is.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, should you; I'm sure you're preoccupied with new-found success. Congratulations!
Thanks so much! And no worries, it's something I've wondered a lot myself.
I think the biggest thing is actually being honest with ourselves about what works. We want technology, videos, holograms, VR, etc. to fix the problem. But I think it comes down to "Did it really click? In our heart of hearts, did the concept click?"
So, technology-wise I think anything can work (a blog with text is just fine). We need to be really honest about whether we understand the material we're teaching.
A good analogy is humor: you don't need technology to be funny. Text, video, sure, it's enough. We don't need 3d or VR or whatever to make something enjoyable. Similarly, we don't need that to make a concept click. Just a sense of what works or doesn't.
Always happy to help, I'm working through my message backlog. Always feel free to reach out.
Welp, I guess I can use Reddit as my blog until things are working normally. AMA and I'll answer as best I can.
General Learning Philosophy: Anything can be understood if we approach it the right way. Spoken language, writing, number systems, we figured these out. We can learn math too. The system I like (ADEPT) is
โข Analogy - Tell me what it's like
โข Diagram - Help me visualize it
โข Example - Allow me to experience it
โข Plain English - Describe it with everyday words
โข Technical - Discuss the formal details
Example: Negative numbers were finally understood in the late 1700s. When the American Revolution was happening. They baffled people for so long because "How can you have less than nothing?". Something can be there, or not there, but what does "negative there" mean?
Doesn't make sense! So, we have BC and AD (before 0, after 0) and debits and credits (two ways to track your balance, not a negative balance), East and West (not negative West) and so on.
But with the analogy of a number line, boom, negatives make sense. You have a single scale, with a neutral point, and you can go left and right from there. One analogy makes the idea of "opposite of there" make sense.
Most of math is like that. Arithmetic is impossibly tedious when thinking about numbers as individual lines (III), or in the Roman Numeral system. Move to decimals (sets of 10) and you've just unlocked a superpower. Not a lot more work, but you have 3rd graders with better math skills than Roman emperors. That's how learning should be done baby.
Dude, I minored in math as an undergrad and I didn't fully understand some of this shit until just now. I got good marks too, but I just took a lot of stuff as a given. Square root of a negative number? Eh, fuck it, throw a little i in that bitch. That's just what you do. Thinking of it as a rotation never occurred to me. And when you think of it that way, the applied stuff makes a lot more sense.
Thanks for this, dude! Definitely going to binge watch your vids at some point this week.
Awesome. I love hearing from other math people b/c it means it's really helping things click. Yeah, with e (continuous growth) and i (rotation) you mix those babies up (eix) and baby, you've got a circular orbit going! (That's all Euler's Formula does, make a circle!)
Hope you enjoy the videos. There's only a few now but hoping to change that.
I really like your teaching style. I'll definitely be checking out the site when it goes back online. I've always struggled with math myself because I find it to be very difficult to get those aha moments where something suddenly makes intuitive sense. I feel like its a waste of time to simply memorize a bunch of equations to pass a math exam, and for some reason its hard to find courses that focus on fundamental understanding. Thanks for putting these together.
I really love how you use history of math as part of your explanations! I have used the big History of Mathematics, and Geometry Civilized. What resources do you use to find history of math? Thanks!
Thanks for the note, I love connecting with other teachers. I'll use Wikipedia for the history section (normally there's a history segment for each topic) but then look elsewhere for the actual math (it's way too technical).
For example, for negative numbers, I saw they were only accepted in the late 1700s! There's a great quote in the Wiki page from some fuddy mathematician saying negatives would "darken the very whole doctrines of the equations". Just too good to pass up when teaching!
Cool! I'll check that out. You might really loveA Brief History of Mathematics, a podcast run through the BBC by Prof Marcus du Sautoy. He does short episodes on the older, "simple" math discoveries and links them to their application today.
Anyways I'm reading through your caches and I really like the dome idea for trigonometry. I can send you any lesson plans I make from your site
Thanks for the pointer, and any lesson plans would be great! I love seeing how people take the concepts and make them their own. My viewpoint is that of a guide who found one way up a mountain. There's lots of other ways to get up there and I'm curious to see what path other people take.
Thank you so much for this. I went through a period of not being able to concentrate in school around 15 and it really hampered my progress, I still passed exams and stuff, but that was just luck. I'm trying to relearn some stuff so I can move on to more advanced stuff, this is very helpful, thanks
Thanks, glad to hear. A big part of learning is knowing what works for you. I need analogies and metaphors (big picture stuff) before diving into the details.
I'm just saying we have way better ways to think now! That's how math expands your brain.
When I read this, it made me think of the metric system. It's a sussinct way to describe how I feel about it. It's made with science in mind and is constantly improved in that regard. It's a less-obtuse and more-useful system that doesn't waste as much of your thinking on the plethora of conversion constants. It also avoids (you could probably argue "discourages") snapping to the closest fraction; fractions being well-established as generally unintuitive to the masses.
But it's an important thing to learn; how to temporarily forget what you "know" so you can entertain a new perspective. Makes learning paradigm-shifting discoveries a lot easier
Exactly! Not having to worry about unit conversions (inches/feet/yards/miles) adds so much friction. There is the difficulty of giving up what you already know (and to be honest, I can't really visualize distance in cm, I convert to inches. 25cm? Not really sure. 10 inches? Ok, it's a banana.)
Both learning how to learn (and learning how to forget) are important.
Definitely. I'd say I'm the same. I'm Canadian so human sized stuff is mostly still done in inches. And people use inches because they know inches. And they won't know mm/cm until they eschew inches completely, which is a tough proposition given our neighbor to the south.
If you think about it like language, it's like converting English literally to french and then speaking that, which is definitely thr wrong way to go about learning a language. You've gotta start thinking in the new language and don't use English as a crutch. Similarly, I realised I needed to do this, and so I got a metric only measuring tape (harder to find than you'd think) as well as measured various things on my arms for reference (length of index fingers, length of segments, length from inside of elbow to tip of middle finger, etc. Whatever was easily accessible or a round number)
Still a slow process, but you gotta have things to strive for. I tell you though, measuring with cm is great. 1 cm is small enough that you can round to 1 or 10 given thr situation. 0.5 cm is fine enough a measurement in most situations. So much cleaner than the awkward fractions USC uses commonly; especially when trying to figure out math with your measurements
Great point about thinking natively vs. translating in your head. When learning Spanish, after 15-20 mins of speaking I'm thinking directly in Spanish, but the first "warm-up" period means I'm converting from English again.
You probably need a "metric immersion" to fully think natively.
I'm looking forward to giving these a look through, and checking out your website when it's back up.
But I just wanted to say that this amazing! Although I didn't have a very difficult time understanding math concepts in school, MANY of my friends did, and although I was generally able to help them, I always felt that there had to be a better way to explain these concepts!
Thanks! Sorry the site is having trouble right now, it should be up again. I really love it when people are able to help their friends and put their own spin on the explanations.
willgeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Such a shame I didn't know about this 5 years ago! I'll definitely recommend it to my little brother though. Would there be any scope to add other subjects? Maybe some biology/chemistry etc at college I'd have killed for a site that tells me advanced concepts in plain English.
I'd love to branch out into other topics, and collect/curate resources from other people that have really helped. Really glad if you can help out your bro!
neat. i'm looking into getting further into math and computer science, so i fully plan to check this all out. i saw a comment or two praising the calc. subbed to the subreddit as well!
I don't have a patreon page or anything yet, but the most I could ask for is a sincere recommendation to a friend of family member who could use it. Thank you!
jacluley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Kalid. Thank you for the work! I ended up on your explanation of Log N over the weekend, and it was very in depth. It really helped with the excel course I am trying to take on Coursera.
Super rough intuition from a programmer, not engineer:
The Fourier Transform breaks a signal into its constituent circles. What combination of circles can create the signal I have?
The LaPlace Transform breaks a signal into spirals. Spirals have an additional parameter compared to circles (their rate of growth/decay) hence the complex number s=a+ bi vs. the pure frequency modifier component in the Fourier Transform (bi). Put another way, e{a + bi}x = e{ax} * e{bix}. That the decay/growth is e{ax}, the rotation is e{bix}.
Why are spirals useful? Well, they decay naturally. So we don't need a zillion interacting circles to model a system that decays over time (like most systems due, because of friction, etc.). So LaPlace is better for modeling real-world signals, Fourier for man-made signals (like audio tracks where you have a drumbeat in an audio file that never decays).
No worries, staying on top of messages as I can. Nope, no real cost except for time. I had to rejigger some server settings, etc. to make it use a static (fixed) version of the site vs. one that was generated each time. I'd been meaning to do it anyway, but this was a kick in the pants.
Thankfully the site is mostly text, with any videos on youtube, so the bandwidth isn't much.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I dropped out of maths at high school aged about 15 because I didn't "get" calculus etc - it was too abstract, I didn't understand how it related to anything "real". I enjoyed stuff like chemistry & biology, but dropped them eventually because you couldn't do them at university level without maths. As an adult I had a go at learning maths a few times - I kept an interest in science & got into computers in the 80s. I dated a mathematician for a while & got him to try teaching me. Bad idea!! Ha ha, he had no idea how little I knew. I tried self-teaching from books, but still no joy. I started to think maybe I had a kind of dyslexia but with numbers.
Five minutes on BetterExplained and I think maybe this is it. At the age of 63 I might finally learn some maths. The analogy approach is like a magic trick! You have showed me the light switch and I could not be more grateful. Brilliant.
Thank you so much, it's really touching to hear. I love helping people discover new ways to learn things.
So many concepts are simple at their core, but we tend to make them more confusing with symbols, notation, strict rules, etc. The rules are helpful for corner cases, and when really drilling down, but they're overwhelming to a beginner. Don't make a kid learn scales. Have them bang around on a drum and have a good time. Then when they want to remember what they played, or share it with someone else, teach them how to do it. Math is the same way: get the big idea, explore it a bit, then learn the official lingo so you can share your ideas with others (or read what they came up with).
So glad to hear things are clicking!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:34 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, do you accept submissions? I think we all have some subject we can explain and maybe after a bit of cleanup (so they have a consistent style) you could add those to your site.
I mean, at least I feel I owe you one for this image, I always try to remember those relations or going to Wikipedia, now that is in my favourites ready to save me lots of time.
Hey James! Thanks for asking. I'm working on setting up a community site (http://aha.betterexplained.com) as a companion to the site. Over time the discussions can turn into full-on articles and guides.
If you have a topic you'd like to explain, feel free to create a topic there (or on the subreddit /r/BetterExplained) and we go from there! Thanks for the interest :).
Thanks, me too. Hoping to let myself write more often and revise based on feedback. I tend to procrastinate by trying to tweak things too much. Appreciate the support!
Now keep the ball rolling. Remember this is where people fail. It's only 20 mins a day.
The rest of the day you could literally do nothing or play games all day, and if you keep going you'll have shit loads of amazing content in a few months.
This is the Simple secret of ALL succeesful writers. I've researched it, they just write 1-2 pages a day.
Look at how many books Stephen King has knocked out. Read his interview on rolling stone, most of the Time he was a complete alcoholic and cocaine addict.
Even now he spends most of his time binge watching Netflix.
Just took another crack and cranked today. I want to see how this plays about but knowing it only needs to be a few minutes (and I can let myself off the hook after) gives me the burst of energy to make the attempt. Dreading hours-long writing sessions was horrible. Going to find that interview.
It works because those 20 mins just fly by, when you are in razor sharp focus.
Infact I had the problem in NOT stopping!!!
But it's important to STOP at 20 mins, so the next day you are more than looking forward to and ready, and even know what you are going to write.
Your magical unconscious mind was already working on it !
So stopping mid-way is part of the secret.
Just remember this is a magical process very very few people get right and keep up. But those those people who keep it up enter real magical place of productivity which very few on the planet achieve.
That razor sharp focus for 20mins gets pretty amazing once you "click"
Put it this way, I was working on Side project a while back on an idea. This is how I did it. 18 months later it was sold for 1 million!
To me the whole thing was completely effort less. Razor sharp focus every day for a short time works. Trust me.
Successful people know this secret, but rarely share it.
justsyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:26 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this could be in Spanish too. I have a lot of friends who would love this, but they live in a place where learning another language is kind of difficult because they don't "need" it there.
but not any in Spanish unfortunately. But if anyone translates an article I'm happy to add them!
Rezzinu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:43 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot say thank you enough for this!
I somehow made it through calculus into differentials without ever fully understanding trig! Now after reviewing your site it's like a light has been shined down from heaven. Thank you!
Wow, that is incredible to hear, thank you! I was similar, I finally figured out trig about 2 years ago, long after I "learned" it in school. Ack. Most I can do is keep going :).
I always thought I sucked at math and so did my math teachers, so I just stopped trying and accepted my fate. Then I got a teacher who explained everything slowly and systematically and if you didn't understand she was glad to do everything over again.
After her I got a math teacher who went faster but taught us things in different ways, taught us more than just the formulas, made us think outside of the box.
Without those 2, math would've never been my best subject in high school in the end. I really believe that there are tons of people right now who think they suck at math who just haven't been told the concepts correctly.
Thanks for sharing what worked. Exactly, a few positive influences can change someone's love of a subject (or a few negative ones can turn someone away). I hope to show people that if something doesn't click the first time there's another explanation out there that can help, and to keep looking. Appreciate the comment.
nolo_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:45 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your /u took me a second, but is likewise awesome.
Dk if this will get buried or not, but as a physician, if you could explain biostatistics (the clinical sort we see in journal papers, not the basic science stuff), I know for a fact it's a need we have.
Starting with specificity/sensitivity/absolute risk reduction, etc.
Here's something I lifted from a Stanford syllabus:
Week 1 - Descriptive statistics and looking at data
Week 2 - Review of study designs; measures of disease risk and association
1) The guy owes us nothing, and I don't see him as being manipulative, a jerk, or trying to sell us something (did I see a print book? - that costs money). If looking at his website for a few minutes gave you no benefit, move on.
2) Many others and I found much of what he said helpful.
3) Lastly, I found some of his explanations not so helpful or not really different than I've seen elsewhere. So what?! Should I roast him for that? I gave him some suggestions when I thought I had some.
He's sure helping the world a lot more than most of these angry people who sit at home and do nothing.
Thanks for the comment. Yep, after a few years writing on the internet you learn that you can't please everyone :).
The name "Better Explained" is because if something is confusing, we should look for a better explanation [whether my site or somewhere else]. The back button is always there, and I don't want people wasting time if it's not working!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As a giant failure who basically skipped college out of an irrational fear of math caused by dumbass public schools, I would like you to know that YOU'RE TOO LATE :(
For reals though, those articles are awesome. Can't wait to see the rest.
Just kidding, I still have no idea what any of this means.
Haha, no worries, pick and choose what makes sense.
One thing though, it's never too late. Sounds trite, I know, but most concepts are difficult because we're looking at them wrong, not because they're intrinsically hard to understand. (Some are, sure, but not everything.)
mr_huh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's never too late. 15 years ago I barely made it into art school after passing a college level algebra class. Thought I was bad at math. Then the Internet happened and sites like https://www.khanacademy.org and now http://betterexplained.com/ are helping me to learn that I'm actually quite good at math. It only requires patience and methodical effort and practice.
shawndw ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:44:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll check it out when the rest of reddit isn't ddosing it -_-
gavers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just when I think I'm out they drag me back in! The site is getting 100x the normal traffic and I'll be holding off the zombie hordes with a candle, banana and shoelace.
devperez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto.
inajeep ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:55:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Down for me but even the Error 544 is explained very well!
tcc2025 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:56 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Literally had no idea what "e" was til I watched that video. I remember punching it into formulas in college but had no idea what it actually meant. Interesting stuff.
Holy crap. All.fucking.semester during my tutoring sessions, I'd see e and start to mildly hyperventilate. (I saved the heavier hyperventilation for exams.) My tutor would tell me calm down and reassure me that it was only a number - but that didn't make it any easier for me to comprehend. So then I'd start mumbling to myself, "It's only a number, it's only a number." That didn't work either.
The explanations are more intuitive if you already understand them to begin with.
If you didn't understand trig identities and the law of cosines before diving in to these, I'm not thinking you would get it from these descriptions any more effectively than any other technique.
That said, these illustration are enlightening for those already familiar with the topics.
When I was learning trig and calculus reddit pointed me to this site. I spent ten minutes here and went back to Khan. Coming back now (after getting an A in calc II) this site is more interesting to me, but it did not help me learn.
This site is no better than a textbook, because it is a textbook.
It's still a better textbook than others. The main problem with STEM textbooks, and textbooks in general, is that they are written by experts, not by writers. An expert knows the information, but they often don't know how to convey it to someone unfamiliar with the concepts. A writer's job is to understand the perspective of the readers and make them understand and enjoy what they are reading, or else s/he's a bad writer. This is where the success of the For Dummies collection comes from: the authors are writers who care about the people without basic knowledge.
Exactly. They call this the "Curse of Knowledge" and it's really, really hard to remember what it's like to not know something. Can you look at printed text and not read it? Can you see it as just a bunch of squiggles?
My approach is to write down an explanation as soon as it clicks. So I still remember what it was like to be a beginner. If you try to explain something years later, all the gotchas and issues you felt are long forgotten.
lucasvb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's my approach too. It helps that I'm still in the process of learning a lot of things.
I am both an expert and a writer. I feel that most people who criticize math books and teachers for being "overly complicated" are frustrated not because the exposition is unclear or written from a perspective disconnected from "real life" or how undergrads think but rather because the exposition is technically accurate. Mathematics IS hard, and the tiny little details DO matter. Authors who pretend that every function is continuous (or analytic!) are doing students no favors. Emphasizing continuous functions to serve a pedagogical purpose is one thing, but to say that "most real world functions are continuous" is just ignorant, completely incorrect, and sets the student up for confusion farther down the line.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:51:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. I hold the opinion that a significant part of what I got out of a math degree was how to learn math, and how to read a math text. Now I "read" math texts by often spending a large amount of time on one paragraph or page, mulling on it, working things out with pen and paper, proving results for myself (it really triggers a different kind of learning, hence all of the "left as an exercise for the reader")
katarh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't the textbook's fault all the time. My honors calc professor frankly had no business teaching anything. He'd fill the board with a function, not get the answer he was expecting, and then go "no no that's not right" and erase half of it. It wasted all of our time. That sort of trial and error work is great when you're doing equations on your own time, but if you're trying to explain it to others who aren't as familiar with the topic as you are, it can be absolutely destructive.
0polymer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, continuity could intuitively hold me up till measure theory. If you are not teaching to engineers, a more conceptual approach might be useful.
It's hard to say though, I think the importance of technical understanding comes from living in a technical universe. You can't program a computer in a conceptual way.
Even if you are teaching engineers-perhaps especially if you are teaching engineers-students need to know that not every function is continuous. Engineers are so afraid of discontinuous functions that they pretend the square wave is continuous and graph it as such. And then we are confused at why they can't grasp the Gibbs phenomenon? Uh, maybe it's because we've insisted on treating them like children in our engineering math classes.
Yes, there is definitely room for debate about that! I like to describe the calc sequence as a first introduction to applied mathematics. (Students get the pure math version of calculus in real analysis.)
That is a very ignorant and incorrect thing to say. Anyone who needs calculus needs to know what continuity is. You can't do calculus without it. At least twenty percent of the typical first semester calculus course wouldn't even be intelligible.
And good grief, we're not talking about ฮต-ฮด proofs involving images of convergent sequences here. Wave your hands with the definition of the limit of a function at a point and define continuity in terms of limits. Continuity is absolutely trivial at the calc 1 level. There is just no excuse for first semester calc students understanding that a function that is unbounded, that oscillates, or that has a gap at a point is not continuous.
This is all wrong. Textbooks don't exist to be an enjoyable read. They exist to confer technical information about something. Mathematics is extremely technical, and the more you try to dumb it down, the less actual information about the subject you convey to others. It's not a fault of STEM textbooks and how they present their information, it's a fault of people studying STEM subjects not taking the time to fully understand the topic presented to them. If you have trouble understanding something from a textbook the first time you read it, that's not the fault of the book. It means you need to spend more time to understand the concept. People think they should just cruise through college, and understanding STEM should be fun and easy for everyone! But that's a load of horseshit. STEM subjects are complicated and require work and effort to understand them. You are doing nobody any favors by watering down the subject material they're supposed to be learning.
I think it is a midway from your point and the point of the other user who completely disagrees with you.
I've seen so many students who think just registering for a class entitles them to pass the class AND get an A. On the other end, some professors and books makes things unnecessarily complicated. Hence, why we have certain books who rise to be the standard for a particular topic. (Like Griffiths for undergrad E&M.)
I do believe our "knowledge transfer" systems are in a psuedo equilibrium. Meaning that it seems like what we have is the "best we can do" groove. But with a bit more education research, money, time, stubborn professors/educators willing to change, and new technology mediums, I think we are on the verge of modifying our concept of education and how it is received/given.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Text books ARE teaching aids, they . are . there . to . teach . Ffs, now if they don't help to teach a subject then they aren't very good are they! and that IS the fault of the author and text book! Your snobby attitude is everything thats wrong with teaching engineering and why good engineers so often make lousy teachers "oh its not that im a terrible teacher its just that the students just aren't trying hard enough! "
Fuck it why end it at just shitty explanations, if you really believe engineering should be taught in as needlessly complex a way as humanly possible then lets write all our text books in latin brail then force students to read them on a running rollercaster while under gunfire, if they don't pick up the concepts they need to understand well then clearly they just aren't trying hard enough!
null_work ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not my fault if you're in over your head in a subject you probably shouldn't be learning. A textbook gives the technical details of a subject. It has all the information you need to learn the subject, and if you're incapable of that, you should have tried harder in high school to learn how to learn. People don't hold your hand in the real world or in actual academic research, and all you're advocating for is to have yourself coddled through a degree.
Edit: Seriously, what the fuck are you going to do when your work requires reading a publication? Are you going to go ask for help? Try to get someone "who's a real teacher" to explain to you what's written in the publication?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've read a lot of math texts, some more expository than others, and there is a middle-ground, where the exposition feeds the information. Math is a language, after all. Would you prefer folks start at Principia Mathematica? No hand-holding there!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You offer lessons in reading the publication, in working with engineering documents in general ffs, you are in your degree to learn, it's not a multi year interview, it's there to teach you the lessons you need and to provide you with the skills you require to succeed in an engineering environment, not to test if you already have them!!
No one will hold your hand in the real world and so you have to prepare people for it, if your methods aren't preparing people then simply put you are a bad teacher.
That's high school, friend. What we're doing to our education system is a joke. We expect to be babysat until we get a piece of paper saying someone should pay us a bunch of money to be ineffectual, rather than actually learning things when we should be learning things. Seriously, if a textbook is too technical for you to learn from by the time you're in college, you don't belong there.
What you are describing is secondary education, not higher education. In college we expect that you already know how to learn, and it's your responsibility to seek out ways of correcting whatever deficits you have in your ability to learn. Professors are just tour guides of your ignorance and direct you to material you need to learn to overcome your ignorance. It is your responsibility to do the actual learning, not the profs.
I have had issues with the wording used in textbooks. There was no clarity on words with ambiguous meaning and that made it harder to understand the concepts. I am talking about subjects like probability. Just because a textbook exists doesn't mean everyone needs to/will understand it. If that was the case, new textbooks wouldn't sell and everyone would just read the foundational papers to understand the subject. And most of the time when I've understood the concepts I was having difficulty grasping it was actually simple and the complexity was caused by the author's attitude of not expositing without ego. Or lacking much intuition. Yeah, we get authors want their text to be concise but a lot of times just pointing to the background needed to understand something would help. I am not talking about even dumbing it down. I am ranting but I feel the quality of writing can be improved. If you're just gonna write at the level of your current understanding then it will be a hit and miss with some students.
If you've understood your textbook on the first try, good for you. But some people may need more intuitive explanations before getting something fully.
Exactly. I studied math as an undergrad, learned the stuff, am able to use it, but I don't fully understand a lot of it. As a programmer, I've come to intuit a lot of discrete math, sets and relations, stats, etc. A lot of calc/differential equations stuff is still black magic to me. If I ran into a hard calc problem IRL at work, I could break out a book and work through a problem, but it would take me a long time (relative to someone who is really good at calculus) to be sure I got it right. What these explanations do is give a more intuitive understanding of the concepts which makes solving applied problems A LOT easier.
This site is a textbook. Any page is a huge wall of text. People love Khan Academy because you can actually watch Sal do the problems in real time. That is infinitely more helpful to me.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:55:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you buddy. I once got an email saying I was in the top 5% of users worldwide. I was a D math student in high school. Recently passed calc II with 95 average.
alexdoes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:16:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kahn is a great all around resource. The single best lecturer I've even seen anywhere is Professor Leonard on Youtube. Best Calc. teacher I've ever seen.
I second this. The guy really cares that he presents every step clearly and no student is left behind in an explanation. He is amazing. If only every teacher took their job that serious.
That was my prof, from Calc 1-3 (Well it was actually Math for Economics but they're considered analogous at my Uni). His explanations are always clear and he shows every step even when it feels kind of obvious, since in a class that big there's a chance at least one person probably didn't get it
edit Also, please define "normal textbook" and how everyone could get their hands on it. This site isn't exactly for everyone, but if you saw what textbooks we had in highschool in my country, you'd laugh your ass off.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 13:14:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It would be neat to see how the number e for which ex has a derivative equal to itself would intuitively make x = rate * time.
ligirl ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 12:38:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the one on the cross product? That was a whole new way of thinking about it for me. I'm not sure if I'll remember it tomorrow (or even in three hours) but it's not all stuff I've found elsewhere.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:03:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much how they explained it at my uni.
ligirl ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:09:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My lin alg prof was dreadful, so I'm glad at least some people were taught beyond just the formula for calculating it.
Maths teachers are usually trained as maths experts, not as teachers. This is the main problem with higher education: the people teaching (professors, textbook writers, etc) don't know how to teach, and the people who know how to teach don't know the subjects. Our system refuses to acknowledge the difference between knowing stuff and knowing how to teach stuff.
You are also missing the point that at the college/university level, the students are expected to be better learners, and carry more responsibility for learning.
Well when you show up the day after a test and the teacher goes "everyone failed that test...wellp you better figure it out before the next test!" and moves on to the next stuff as if EVERYONE failing couldn't even be his fault a little, there's only so much you can do on your own.
The worst part is that instead of trying to thoroughly teach stuff he would try to cover more than any other teacher in the college by a lot, and it usually ended in only the most hardcore study addicts learning anything at all.
I learned a lot in my first semester, then that teacher got hired at a better college and I got left with this guy I'm describing the rest of my 4 years there.
Your teacher told you to figure it out before the next test. In other words, he was telling you to fix whatever it was that was keeping you from doing well. But from your post it sounds like you expected HIM to do something. So my question is, did you fix it? Did you attend his office hours? Go to the tutoring center or tutorial sessions? Watch YouTube videos? Read the textbook? Study with your classmates? Did you fix it or did you just continue to struggle through the rest of the course?
Asking him for help with anything would be suicide. He's the type of teacher that will mock you in class because whatever school you went through was obviously taught by idiots if he deems your question to be stupid. All of the learning I did in his class was from the books, if I didnt study the books like a madman I wouldn't have passed any of his classes. Anyone that has taken his classes before would warn you against it, but since it wasn't too big of a school there were a lot of classes that only he taught. But yes, we had regular study groups, and i went to any resource possible to help understand any class i was in for him. And yes we did expect him to try to re-explain things because obviously whatever he said before didn't help anyone, but he really didn't care if everyone failed.
You can't be more correct. The cost to reconcile the two is far too high for those in positions to do that. Also, even teachers who go to school to Lear how to teach, they are often not good teachers either. Teaching is far less about the methods and more about the personality of the teacher. Well, at least from my experience.
The real problem is the expectation we have for attending college. If you study a subject in college, you should be able to do so such that you're capable of understanding the material presented how experts would get it. If a mathematician reads a publication and wants to understand it, they don't run out and expect someone to hold their hand and teach it to them. When you're in college, you should be able to take a textbook that's presented in a formal manner and work to understand it. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't be studying in college. The problem is, we've essentially made college a requirement for many, many people who shouldn't be there. What you see is people who don't want to take the time to understand something, who want to just have a good time and essentially get a watered down version of the material. Having a Bachelor's degree essentially serve the same function as a high school diploma did completely ruins the academic environment. You shouldn't be in college learning from "people who know how to teach." You should absolutely be in college learning from experts.
I think far too much blame is placed on the students. Their expectations are completely off because we have obliterated primary and secondary education in the U.S. We not only haven't prepared them but have also taught them that learning math is something very different from what learning math really is. They get to college and both don't know jack AND don't know how to learn jack. But I really think they could be so much more successful if the American primary and secondary education system wasn't so miserably broken.
Yep, people that can't memorize 10-20 different mathematical formula's and write them down word for word on a test should stay their asses at home, they have no business at college, where apparently you have to memorize formula's even though in this age of technology I can google it and get results in a minute. I spent days trying to get formulas memorized just right because even if I could use them if I couldn't write them down exactly on that paper i would miss like half the points on the test.
Note, I never failed a class, but I retained absolutely nothing from the bad teachers I had.
Yes because you were in class with me right? Writing these formulas down that were like 3 lines long each was part of my tests. Formulas of nonsense I will never need again I had to memorize else 1/3 of my grade went out the window
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, time constraints can be an issue. Which is faster, learning the formula, or learning the proof for the formula? Both allow you to solve the problems given.
If we replace proof, which is a formal concept generally minimized or ignored entirely until upper level math classes, with the reasons for why things work, which should be a part of every math class at every level, then no, they don't both allow you to solve the problems given. This is one of the facts of learning math that I struggle to communicate to my students. I explain to them that I am not teaching them how to solve every question type they will see having to do with the material but rather how to think about the mathematical relationships in a way that will allow them to come up with solutions to any problem type. I tell them that I am not teaching them what they need to know in order not to be confused; rather I am training them how to behave when they inevitably are confused. I like to say, "The natural state of a mathematician is confusion! I spend most of my research time completely flummoxed."
But I really don't think my students believe me. It's hard to undo 12 years of being told that math is merely a collection of algorithms to memorize.
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:54 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I explain to them that I am not teaching them how to solve every question type they will see having to do with the material but rather how to think about the mathematical relationships in a way that will allow them to come up with solutions to any problem type.
That's an interesting approach. Does that mean you put unexpected, original problems in the tests and final?
I hope none of the questions are unexpected, but some of them are different in type from what the students have seen before, yes. My philosophy of testing is that the student should learn something from the exam.
However, the final exam is different. The final consists of very straightforward, standard problems like one would find in most standard textbooks. The reason is that the students do not have an opportunity to review and correct their mistakes on the final exam. It's just a summative assessment instrument and nothing else.
This was a teacher that would try to cover way more than any other teacher in the university btw, he had plenty of time but refused to use it to TEACH.
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, if I'm just after a good grade in something like Precalc, simply memorizing formulas takes a lot less time than learning how to prove every one of them, and still allows me to get a good grade.
Thanks! Yeah, the cross and dot products are two parts of the complete picture. When you have vectors (a, b, c) and (d, e, f) there are 9 interactions. The 3 symmetric ones are the dot, the asymmetric ones are the cross. So simple! And never shown to me this way.
petgreg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't try cross products. I'll give it a look. I checked limits and derivatives, and both were more complicated than my classes or textbooks...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was the one for me. I've been studying vector calc this year and I could do it, but I didn't really understand a lot of the underlying stuff. That article really helped
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know what textbooks you're reading, but the ones my classes require are nothing even remotely like this. Couldn't tell you what calculus even was other than a type of math before taking a look at lesson one just 5 minutes ago. Now I know what it is and what it can do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The part of calculus that students struggle the most with is the algebra. The actual calculus part of it is pretty straightforward.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is better understood in the context of physics, as that was what calculus was made to originally solve.
Taking first year physics and Calc at the same time can help with understanding the math intuitively.
Have you taken calculus at a university level before? They tell you calculus is the study of change. Hence why the derivative is such a big deal for it. Also, there's a whole section called applications that give real world applications of calculus. I'm not the best at math, but I was able to pick that up.
Depends on what sort of textbooks you're used to. Books aimed at (pure) maths grads / undergrads often leave out the intuitive explanations, instead opting for a rigorous definition-theorem-proof style.
Maths degrees themselves are similarly formal. I understand why, but it does mean the interesting perspectives like the ones offered by this site are left out. I like reading the site to get fresh perspectives on things I know well through a more formal lens.
if i were someone struggling to understand the cross product, that post would have left me more confused than before.
also, i'm pretty sure there is also a mistake in the notes. "a\times b" and "b\times a" dont produce two vectors with "two perpendicular directions". the directions are parallel just opposite.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 13:25:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like it. All those people slamming it saying they didn't learn anything new, this isn't necessarily for you.
I'm terrible at math. I'm terrible at blindly following instructions without context. I don't just get in my car and drive, I need to know (even in general terms) what is going on under the hood.
The site may not be perfect, but this style of explanation is what I badly needed in high school.
I'm fascinated by math, but I was never allowed to EXPLORE it like this. There was no room for questioning, or analysis, just churn through the directions (as the author puts it).
Its not for everyone, but that's because we all learn differently. I wish I was taught this way, but I wasn't.
Hey, Kalid from BetterExplained here, thanks for the comment. Really glad it clicked, and totally agree the site isn't for everyone.
My goal is to teach the way I wish I was taught, similar to a chef cooking food they'd want to eat themselves. Thai food isn't for everyone, but if you like it, I'm going to make the best damn Thai food I can.
Totally agree on the exploration aspect, I didn't get enough of that either. We're often too afraid to ask WHY things work. Appreciate the comment!
I don't just get in my car and drive, I need to know (even in general terms) what is going on under the hood.
I suggest then you start from axiomatisations and build upon that.
Whispel ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My university does not use textbooks for math and after reading the description of what we have the Johnsons! Schmidt . JONES:** No, it doesn't sync to that already https://youtu. This title is this strictly harvesting?
Hey Lucas! Thanks for the mention. I love your work and have been meaning to reach out about working together :). For anyone who doesn't know, /u/lucasvb makes some of the best math animations I've ever seen.
lucasvb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Clloydio ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 13:24:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths teacher here: I'm not massively impressed. The explanations are very similar to what you see in text books on these subjects, and generally the people who can understand a topic merely by reading about it (rather than doing maths themselves) aren't going to need things jazzed up with odd metaphors.
Hey! Kalid from BetterExplained here. I appreciate the honest feedback, and agree the site isn't for everyone. These are a collection of the explanations and analogies that personally helped me.
and see if it's different from your typical trig class. SOH-CAH-TOA never really clicked [just something to memorize, not understand] and finally I was able to learn the trig functions and identities without painful memorization. Turns out they are all variations of the Pythagorean Theorem and similar triangles, which I thought was pretty cool!
I share what works for me, and it's totally ok for it to not work for everyone. Appreciate the feedback!
lagsalot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for putting this out there. People are chiming in with "meh", or "it's so much simpler to think of it this way". That's the problem with learning/teaching. Everybody learns and thinks differently. With concepts, I think it is critical to have many, many different descriptions or view points. Take a box in an empty room with a single light source. The box is the concept, and it should be described from many different angles. One persons perspective might offer a better explanation that makes sense to a given group of people. Once the understanding sticks, then it's "ohhh, it's just a fucking box!", and how we reached that understanding is a moot point.
Thanks, and that's exactly it. After years of blogging you realize you can't satisfy everyone, and if you try, you're just going to make it even worse. I have this analogy of being a chef cooking Thai food.
If you like Thai food, great, I have some good eats for you! Don't like peanut sauce? Noodles? Want me to swap it out with spaghetti noodles and marinara sauce? Sorry, it's not what I do. But there's this Italian place down the street that you'll like.
It helps me realize I have to write things in my authentic voice, otherwise you please everyone/noone.
I myself really like looking at trig functions in the expanded circle/wall thing. I think wikip. does it also.
But I think it may be too complicated for most stduents.
I think trig really needs only two basic concepts.
1) sine and cosine are your vertical and horizontal components of angular movement. There are so many examples it's ridiculous. Rarely do things move exactly at right angles or along a certain scale/measurement
2) abstract this only a little. draw a triangle, show what sine and cosine were, noting they are ratios of two sides. Then mention that instead of making any other ratio complicated in terms of sin and cos (ohh, that will come soon enough), we simply call all the other ratios a new name (function).
Yep, it depends on the exposure / depth for the student. In my case, I had memorized the trig functions in terms of SOH-CAH-TOA and wanted to actually visualize sec / csc / cot instead of having them be yet more ratios. But for a first treatment, sine/cosine is probably enough.
zjm555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The trig function diagram is definitely a really good one. However, I think your explanations of logarithm/exponentiation and cross product are actually really confusing, and this is coming from someone who completely groks these concepts and uses them all the time. The explanation of "grower's perspective" is just really making the issue harder than it needs to be. Most people can get what exponentiation is, they understand taking something to a power and how it relates to multiplication. It seems to me the easiest way to explain the logarithm is to make them understand that it's simply the inverse operator of exponentiation.
Thanks for the feedback! Some of the explanations may be confusing, esp. if I haven't quite captured the analogy. (Super hard to express a feeling in writing.)
The problem with "inverse of exponentiation" is like describing division as "inverse of multiplication". Sure, but you've described it in terms of something else. Isn't it better to say "Division is cutting into pieces" vs. "Division is the opposite of combining pieces".
Similarly, logarithm is finding the "time needed to get to x". It made things click so much better than "undoing the exponent".
What do you think about explaining exponents in terms of trees (depth of tree = exponent & # branches at each level = base). And then logarithms drop out really naturally from this structure as: the height of the tree.
I can't imagine a simpler way of doing it and nobody seems to use this idea. I get that the analogy breaks down with fractional exponents...but who cares?
zjm555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
That would be a very good explanation, assuming students can grasp the structure of a tree easily, and assuming balanced trees of a uniform arity.
That also lends itself very nicely to the example case of population growth, since it works so nicely to describe ancestry amongst generations of a population.
Clloydio ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I certainly agree with your assertion that teaching understanding is miles better than teaching by rote, and if your site is useful for some people (as the rest of the comments suggest it is) then that's great. I just don't think it would help out the students I teach particularly for the reasons I mentioned.
With regards to trigonometry: part of the problem is that it is expected (in this country) to be learnt by some students who don't have a solid grasp of the concept of ratio. The language and concepts of your trigonometry post are likely to go over the heads of the students in my classes who most struggle with trig. They may of course not be your audience: what reader age did you have in mind when you wrote of these posts?
Great question. My main goal is to be a supplement for students who are already learning the topic. Not many people randomly study math, usually it's "Man, I'm learning this concept in class, it's not working, what else can I do?".
When that happens, and you search online, you usually get a super-technical Wikipedia article which is more of the same (Trig is the study of triangles, SOH-CAH-TOA, etc.). My philosophy is "Hey, you already had the textbook, it didn't help, here's another approach." Ideally with visuals or analogies that truly helped me.
The basic audience is high-school / college students who're learning a concept and need another take. Teachers sometimes use the articles as a handout or preface for their lesson. Definitely not meant to be a replacement for a lesson though.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
typical trig class... without painful memorization
Ask some high school math teachers whether they think "memorization" is the right way to learn trigonometry. 99% of the time they try like hell to teach the concepts, then fall back on mnemonics when the STUDENTS complain they don't get it and don't have any grasp of the difference between tangent and sine.
And from a basic business perspective, insulting your competition isn't smart.
But learning in a classroom is a hell of a lot different than individual learning. Of course kids only want the easiest forms to regurgitate on the exam, however if they actually wanted to learn, this is a much better option.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
understand a topic merely by reading about it (rather than doing maths themselves)
That seems like a weird way of putting it? You need to understand a topic before you can do the problems. (Of course, this is easier when you have a teacher you can ask questions.)
Clloydio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Take pi and circles for example: I've much more success with lower ability groups when approaching this as an investigation (draw circle, measure their circumferences etc.) than instructing or giving notes or the like.
Bayesian Probability is not something I naturally grasped but required to learn for Machine Learning. This site helped quite a bit in visualization. But you're correct, mathematics isn't always hard because of its complexity, it can be hard because it may rely on intangible integers or being able to visualise something that is not based in reality.
What I would really love to see from a site is how mathematics are applied in reality. Like the show Numb3rs but in a more info graphics manner like this channel:
null_work ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:34:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because you haven't taken the time to think about what they're teaching, and the teachers themselves probably don't fully understand it. Common core is considerably more effective if it's taught well.
So true. I did some research into a new way to teach physics.
Some people just "get it". Some don't. Generally, if you don't get "it" you aren't going to spend much time trying to find new ways to explain "it". You'll either get your "c" and move on, or you will batten down and use the standard materials.
jama211 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A website that teaches you how to visualise textbook information to try and help people learn from books who struggle with it would be amazing.
That's ok. I'm a successful do-er. You go on with your "can't" Ing.
Edit. Just read your posts. Thought you were a freshly gradded high school teacher before. My bad. I now figure your an undergrad math/physics major with a c+ average. Good luck with that. I'm sure your opinion will matter tons in your life.
I think we found that teacher. The one that doesn't go out of his way to help anyone who struggles.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:02:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Student here: you're full of shit. We don't see it that way at all because we don't know the subject yet. You may see it,but how could we see it without knowing the material?
Math teacher. Not impressed. You can find the same stuff in a text book. Those that can understand a text book wont need this website to help them learn.
Wow, thanks for the input! Now let's hear your opinion on ratemyprofessor.com
Clloydio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
None of my students have put me on it. :(
xkaiju ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
you may want to reconsider your career choice
ksmoke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:02:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My analogy: Imagine you're a football coach. You have your playbook, and run play #13 (The Banana Fanana Shuffle). It has a bunch of instructions like:
"Receiver X, run forward as fast as you can."
"Blocker Y, stay 2 feet to the left of X."
"Quarterback Z, run to the left and throw it to X after 5 seconds."
Question: Where is everyone 1 second into the play? 10 seconds? A minute?
That's what "solving" a differential equation means. You are given the play to run, and need to figure out where everyone actually is as the game marches forward.
For simple plays, it's easy (linear systems), but if the parts start interacting (X follows Y, Y follows Z, Z runs towards X) it starts getting super complex. So, you model it with computers. However, small errors lead to huge divergences in outcomes (Chaos Theory) so the models are only so good. You can model a few seconds into a play, but maybe not a full minute.
Realistically we'll solve most things by computer but it's good to know how simple systems behave.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, thanks. Always happy to reply to people who are finding the site useful. (And the others too, but not necessarily as happy :-)).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math professor here - interesting site. I broadly agree that it's hit or miss and not every explanation is perfectly suited to everyone, but if students want a "typical" explanation there's already a plethora of textbooks they can choose from, and websites they can consult. In order to be sensitive to different learning styles you have to find different ways of explaining different concepts, and this website helps us do that. So, good work.
Thanks! I started the site to supplement existing lessons, that's exactly the goal. (There's dozens/hundreds of existing books.) Glad the approach made sense.
You'll never in a million years create an intuitive way to explain a maths issue and put it out there. You think it's already covered in textbooks and websites.
Your statements like " you have to be sensitive to different learning styles..."
What? People like you come out of the wood work claiming to be educators when young people like Kahn academy and better explained do a better job explaining it properly in the first place!
Yeah, keep going out patting people on the back saying "good work" when you can't even see why sites like better explained exist in the first place.
They happen because people like you aren't explaining it well in the first place you idiot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:43 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You simply can't handle the truth. All you've got it being a grammar nazi, and that's nothing.
Since I've to not even got 1% of my attention here, I'm doing this on the iPad while playing live chess and watching TV you idiot.
The fact that Kahn academy has been a huge influence tells me everything. Being Asian we get it.
People like you, so called educaters will be redundant soon enough. There are more students with higher grades in the east and Asia than America.
Of course you'll never understand why. You think it's a fucking coincidence that I'm Asian, so is khan academy and so is better explained?
No kidding! I'm 29 and back in college, taking math. I have had this feeling all semester like there would be a way to pack a TON more information and understanding into the education than has been the case in my class. I like the multidimensional approach you're taking and that ADEPT acronym sounds great!
Nice, hope it helps. It's basically a mental checklist I use to make sure I'm not missing something that can help me understand it better. If I'm learning a concept and there's no plain-english description, or no diagram of what it does, I know I'm missing something.
Thank you! :( unfortunately (I just finished the final) I think it is possible I will fail!!!! Will have been the first class ever I've failed. I think that's positive in a way, I wanted to challenge myself. Just another milestone in life. It is interesting being a bit older than these kids. I feel like I would learn the material better in a different way because of the way in which I've discovered I like to think about things. What are you studying?
Bio, at a school that's a major research facility. It's pretty hardcore, which I am decidedly not. Physics is required for the major, and I need calculus to take physics. So my graduation date is looking like 2024 at this point.
I see these kids half my age - literally half my age - who are pre-med and beyond stressed. But they all seem to handle it better than I do, and with much lighter backpacks.
And now I can hang with them even longer! Haha. But I do like school, even at my advanced age. Maybe we could be study buddies next semester! :p
bunkpit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for this. Really. I've bought several math books, tried various apps and used khan academy. I always have a the question "why?" in the back of my head when studying math. There's many resources for "how", but that only goes so far for me.
Yeah right. We have live more exciting and action packed lives; we don't have time for extra letters (maths, colour). Shit even autocorrect is telling me I got those wrong :P
Onetap1 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you say mathematic or mathematics?
skullturf ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:44:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you abbreviate "economics" as "econs"? Do you abbreviate "politics" as "pols"?
It's fine if you prefer "maths" because that's what you grew up with. But how we abbreviate things is ultimately arbitrary. The fact is that "maths" isn't inherently any more logical than "math". It's just that one abbreviation happened to catch on in Britain and the other happened to catch on in the US.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Exactly.
As an American fan of British (and many other country's) media and culture, I love these differences, and find it frustrating when people use them as excuses to further dislike and disrespect each other's cultures.
It's such a typical and constant pattern. Americans (online, in text) typically assume the person is a dumb American saying something incorrectly, because we're typically insular, being surrounded by nothing but ourselves and having to go way out of our way to get beyond the "wall of freedom" standing between us and non-American media, and then Europeans are inevitably drawn to the apparent conclusion that American stereotypes are, on the whole, fairly accurate, and the divide grows ever further.
The truth is, Americans are no more smart or stupid than anyone else, but our presentation of culture is typically focused on appealing to the most "simple" and unintelligent. Being "simple folk" is even seen as a virtue in many states to this day. There are simple folk everywhere, but here they're exploited for consumerist and corporate purposes.
Onetap1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Err, no. You say it whatever way you want, in this case the British abbreviation seems more logical to me. Math is a word, albeit archaic, with a wholly different meaning.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused; in what way is this a response to what I said?
Onetap1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a response in that no-one is using your pronunciation of 'math' as "... excuses to further dislike and disrespect each other's cultures" or stereotyping Americans as stupid or simple folk.
It's different. 'Maths' is a more logical term IMHO; math just grates on my ear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually more talking about Americans, being that that's what I am and what I see more often. Several Americans have implied that OP is dumb in this thread for that reason alone; but yes, it does go both ways and these are examples of how it perpetuates.
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you abbreviate "economics" as "econs"? Do you abbreviate "politics" as "pols"?
No, I don't abbreviate them.
Bicycles; bikes.
Perambulators: prams
Omnibuses: buses.
I can't think of any better examples and they're not very good. Dropping the -s seems odd and it sounds odd.
Math is/was a word with a different meaning that survives mostly as 'aftermath'.
Dropping the -s sounds normal to me, because I grew up with it.
"Mathematics" isn't actually a plural, despite appearances. We don't say "one mathematic" and "two mathematics".
Face it, "maths" is not inherently more logical than "math". It's just what you're used to. It's just a historical accident that one abbreviation became popular in one place, and the other abbreviation became popular in the other place. Neither is intrinsically wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:45 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Onetap1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:49 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm certain I'm not related to you.
thinkt4nk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But math is an abbreviation and mathematics isn't plural.
Onetap1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math is a word, meaning the stubble of a mown crop, as in aftermath.
Mathematics probably was a plural, since it incorporates numerous separate disciplines.
thinkt4nk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:32 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
LOL probably? No, it wasn't.
Onetap1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To confirm that, it is. Go and search for the word "mathematic" in the catalogue of a library that keeps old books. Mathematic was and is used as a singular noun and an adjective.
LOL to you, half-wit, ill-mannered, septic cretin boy.
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The question was whether mathematic had ever been used as the singular form of mathematics. A search of the British Library catalogue lists 2600 texts, ancient and modern, with 'mathematic' in the title. It was used and it is used, although not by me.
I did a quick Google search and I can't easily find an accurately typed reference to any recent work called "Mathematic of Physics" written by a native speaker of English.
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:02 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have told you where to find it listed: British Library, on-line catalogue. If you can dismiss that one random example, don't get bsck to me until you've dismissed all the other 2600 listings.
I looked in the British Library online catalog, and I found "Mathematic of Physics" by J.H. Avery, but that appears to be a typo, because I also found this on Amazon:
I sense a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of jimmies suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly rustled.
I guess that dismissing an argument built atop a "probable" premise as unsound makes me half-witted and ill-mannered. You still haven't actually provided any evidence. Instead, the vagueness of your direction ("go find a library with old books") leads me to believe that you didn't actually consult any real source since you asserted your initial, "probable" argument.
Onetap1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
British Library, on-line catalogue, 2600 examples from 1487 onwards.
You have libraries? You need to put down the laughing juice.
Yeah.. I was expecting to be amazed by something. I was not.
Let's learn addition in a different way, guys! The old 1+1 conundrum. Now let's imagine each 1 is a giant gorilla....
Just because you think about things differently doesn't mean it's good. Wise up chaps, this is not a website deserving of this subreddit. It's actually kind of meh. Try /r/theinternetisactuallykindastock
Worshy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't look at the more elementary topics, but I can say that the article on Fourier transforms definitely helped my understanding.
Math professor here. Some of those explanations make me cringe because they perpetuate engineering "math" that's just plain wrong. Most of those explanations are more or less what any decent teacher will do in the classroom.
BUT despite these criticism, the bottom line is that anything that helps my students learn better than they otherwise would is a good thing. I can see myself sharing a resource like this with my students, perhaps with a caveat that I have significant philosophical differences with the author that my students won't really care about.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
(Kalid from BetterExplained here.) Thanks for the honest feedback!
I agree, the site is best as a supplement and shouldn't be taken as the authoritative take on a topic. If there's a single analogy or diagram in an article that's useful I'm happy. The entire site is Creative Commons so pick and choose anything that works.
Every resource has its pros and cons, and different students will respond better to different materials and presentations. I do appreciate the craftsmanship you put into your content.
The resources that many other people in this thread have already mentioned are good. I push Khan Academy in my classes, and I tend to send my students links to Khan Academy videos, but there are a couple of places in the calc sequence where I send them a video of a complete lecture so they can digest the material at their leisure. I have only used online videos as a completely optional resource for my students. I have not used free online stuff that isn't video based in my classes, because my experience has been that students will never ever read. They'll look at their notes perhaps, and if they can't get the homework then they'll find a classmate or a tutor to explain it. At my institution we have a very available and accessible tutoring center.
Your son might really like Vi Hart. I'm an old guy, and I love Vi Hart. Numberphile is also super good. Both of those channels are more like Bill Nye than a math class.
For videos that teach specific math skills, my go-to is Khan Academy. Their videos are just the right length and have a very high quality of instruction. The website includes lots of other helpful features and has stuff for many other subjects besides math. This website is best used as a supplement rather than as a way to learn something for the first time, partly because it's very heavy on working example problems on a digital chalk board.
For introducing a topic for the first time to a younger audience, I think MyWhyU is excellent. The production quality is top notch, the coverage is good, and the explanations are very understandable. I don't teach this age, so I haven't used these videos personally. MyWhyU covers pre-algebra and algebra. MathAntics is similarly high quality but has fewer videos. Definitely worth checking out.
If you want the classroom experience, some people like YayMath. Others have mentioned, and I prefer, Professor Leonard who has excellent full length lectures covering entire semesters of high school pre algebra and algebra (though I wish the production value were higher). However, I feel that online videos are just not a good medium for watching a full class length math lecture. A better alternative in my opinion is to break the instruction down into much smaller pieces. A great example of what I am talking about is MooMoo Math. MooMoo Math's coverage of pre-college math topics is extremely goodโit's probably the most complete of any of these resources. Also, eHowEducation is very well produced with short videos and a variety of good teachers. Coverage is also excellent, but it is a total nightmare to find the right content in their sea of videos.
Once you get to calculus, a whole new world opens up for you. Again, my go-to for my own calc students is Khan Academy, but there are many good options out there. The already mentioned Professor Leonard has excellent full-length lectures covering complete semesters. Again, online videos aren't great for full-length lectures, but an online lecture every now and then can be helpful for many students. For shorter calc vids, mathff has very high production value and good instruction, but the teacher is a bit... mellow? eHowEducation also has calculus stuff (if you can find it).
Thank you very much! I have printed this message and put it in my curriculum planner for future reference. I have also heard good things about MooMoo math. Right now is taking online classes with Art of Problem Soving and really loves it, but we are always looking for new ways to learn math.
Sure! I have a gifted child who learns faster than the schools can teach him. He is 12 and doing advanced maths, which really keeps me on my toes even though I am quite proficient. He also studies Spanish, Latin, robotics, computer programming, grammar, composition, science, history, and literature. He is an athlete; we run, do yoga, indoor and outdoor soccer, and soccer-specific sports training, so that covers P.E.. We homeschool for academic rigor rather than religious reasons, which I think is important to point out because the stereotypical homeschooler is extremely religious.
Thanks so much for a really interesting reply. I'm from Australia and afaik homeschooling isn't really a thing here so I was just curious- I hope I didn't cause offence for what was a genuine inquiry
Your question was very respectfully worded, and I am always happy to answer questions. I correspond with several Australian homeschoolers, and yes they are very much in the minority, but from what I have heard, your educational system is better than ours, especially regarding maths and science.
Da_Jenius ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
has almost 3 million points on Kahn Academy. I was an awful student in a school where the math teachers were horrible. All of them were tenured burn outs. Now I love the maths.
One of the GREAT things about KA is that you can watch and rematch the videos until you figure out what you missed or what parts of an equation you simply do not understand.
People are getting gunned down like COD out here and you wonder why a mom would want to home school? jk There's like a million reasons, sometimes the kid is involved in an activity that requires homeschool for a better fit, like gymnastics, a lot of times the parent might be a former teacher or just an involved parent and believe they can do a better job, and thinking through it they probably could in most cases because they care more than any teacher could.
Can someone explain in an intuitive little diagram why betterexplained.com is down?
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ๐
On a serious note it's because a whole lot of people from this sub tried to access the site simultaneously resulting in server crash. So now the website is down. This phenomenon is also known as "Reddit Hug of Death"
Exactly! Before we had writing and universal literacy, we remembered things with stories and metaphors. Just because we know how to write things down, doesn't mean we should throw away that learning technique!
Well I read the first article and I'm sure its correct because words, but it still made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe it's because I've had 3 hours sleep and I have the dumb
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:39:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A website that explains maths concepts in a needlessly complicated way.
Foxnos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at a couple of videos, not bad actually.
Cepheid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I knew how to do the maths for Fourier Transforms from University, but I didn't really intuitively understand them until I had read the article on them on that site.
When I learned Fourier transforms, my prof had us hand-calculate it on a small scale, like 3 x 3. It was kind of a pain in the ass, but really locked down the concept.
For those looking for some alternatives to help with their math subjects while the site gets hugged to death, I highly suggest Professor Leonard.
I found him on the /r/calculus sub if I remember correctly. He goes from Intermediate Algebra to Calculus II. Fantastic. Be warned that the videos are long, not just used to solve one problem, but his explanations are as clear as I've ever seen, so if you are struggling, he's as good as it gets.
Maybe some people just like to argue. So you're not wrong. ;)
For the longest time on this site, I'd read comments with phrases like, "I'd ran out of milk" or "We'd drank three bottles of vodka" or similar, and I couldn't wrap my head around it. Isn't it has/ have/ had run/ drunk/ etc? Why am I reading these eloquently composed responses, only to stumble across such blatant grammatical butchering? I didn't think people were stupid, I just didn't get it.
Then one day I was at an ice cream parlor, and when I placed my order, the English girl behind the counter let me know they'd "ran out of peach" and, suddenly, it clicked: I'm just an ignorant American.
Don't give up! I have it as well and have developed so many tricks and techniques to negate my disability and learn math that I've actually made a career of teaching it. I now own a tutoring service that specializes in math for kids and adults. I'm the one students call when they just can't grasp it in class, because they know that I understand their struggle better than people who are naturally gifted. After more than a decade of focus, I still can't do mental math, can be painfully slow at tests, and can't visualize concepts without a pen in hand, but I CAN do math and do it well. You can develop your skills and overcome it too.
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My math teacher taught us how to sing the quadratic formula to the tune of pop goes the weasel. Still know x equals negative b, plus or minus the square root of b squared minus four a c, all over 2a!
Whelp. Two hours before my final exam and I'd thought this would be my savior when I saw the title. Never underestimate the power of the Reddit hug of death, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tsorovar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Using metaphors and analogies to teach is always a hit and miss technique. It relies on the student understanding the analogous concept in the same way the teacher understands it, and then being able to use that understanding to understand whatever is being taught. Inevitably, a given analogy will work well with some people, while leaving others confused.
Which explains a lot of the differences of opinion in this thread.
IMO, what people who want to learn mathematics need is more in the way of plain English, easy, intuitive explanations regarding the underlying concepts. I have to admit, when I was taking calculus in college, took me a few tries until I had a professor who was able to explain the concepts in this fashion (simply, intuitively), and it made all the difference in the world. Went from Ds and Fs, to B+s. (Learning disabilities didn't help any either >_< )
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can't really read the site since it crashed after the first page but the quote about how something is presented I'd definitely agree with.
Growing up I was always a fan of Math and hated English. As I got older I became less and less interested in Math while remaining fairly uninterested in English as well.
This changed when I started at a new school, English quickly became my favorite subject. Reason being purely down to the teacher. The whole class were always enjoying themselves, there were rarely interruptions and it was quite simply fun.
I scraped through in Math in which the teacher was fine but your typical dull boring Math teacher, while English I was able to ace a higher without much trouble. I feel I learned more in that class than I'd ever learned in English before as it was presented in the perfect fashion.
This was further emphasized in College while I was on a higher course for I.T. The first year was of course, pretty easy. Two classes that I'm going to use for this consist of a customer service class (powerpoint presentations mostly) and the other class being mostly practical work on networking.
In theory, the networking class should of been much more enjoyable but it wasn't. The generic customer service class was hilarious, the tutor kept the class laughing and engaged. Everyone passed that class first attempt with ridiculous pass marks because they were able to stay interested.
Meanwhile the tutor for the networking class wasn't as fun and various pupils used to skip the class as the tutor was a typical grumpy old man who could make literally anything boring. Should they of skipped it? No. Could he of been a better tutor? Definitely. He acted as though he didn't really want to be there and a teacher showing enthusiasm will radiate to the rest of the class.
My worst example would be my Math class in College, the only class that I've ever failed to this day. I hated the teacher. The double period of it was awful, bordering on torture. I barely showed up and failed the exam twice (yes, the resit too.) Was that my fault? Of course. However the whole class dreaded it, last thing on a Friday afternoon as well. She was always late to class and then she'd hand you a textbook and leave you to it. It was clear she was burnt out on teaching but needed the money.
If any teachers are reading this, it's on you to make your classes engaging, if your class is passing and the attendance is high it's likely due to your attitude so stick with it. You'll be liked, you'll enjoy your job more and you'll look better when those passmarks come in.
If you're burnt out on teaching then please, find something else to do. You make everyone else's life miserable for an entire year and definitely do degrade the results of your pupils.
A great teacher is rare and it's one of those jobs that really do make a difference.
I'm studying for the GRE and having major issues completely understanding concepts, even with a tutor. After reading the combinations and permutations article, I think this will really help grasp the concepts rather than banging my head against the table every time I get another question wrong, so thank you!
zolinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saving this post to learn some stuff when I have the time
BioKhem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something like this would show up after taking a calculus 3 course and not understanding a single thing.
the--dud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I found their explanation of derivatives hugely confusing and overly complex. For me graphs are the best way to explain it. I like to picture the derivative graph as the "force" required to apply the changes to the original graph. If that makes sense?
OK, I am not the best at maths and I have a question.
"Numbers can be negative, less than nothing (Wha?). This represents "opposite" or "reverse", e.g., negative height is underground, negative savings is debt."
How does negative debt times negative debt equal positive debt?
Great question. With numbers, physical examples help to a point. But it starts to get weird (fractional apples? Square root of 13 apples?).
I think of the concept of negative as "opposite". When you multiply by -1, you take the opposite. So -1 * -1 is positive because the "mirror image of the mirror image is the original".
If we want to use the debt analogy:
Let's say I get $10 every week. In 4 weeks I'll have $40 compared to today. Positive * positive = positive.
Let's say I get in debt $10 every week. In 4 weeks I'll owe $40 compared to today. negative * positive = negative.
Let's say I get $10 every week. 4 weeks ago, I had -$40 compared to today.
Let's say I get $10 in debt every week. 4 weeks ago, I had $40 compared to today.
negative times negative debt equals positive debt because you are basically in debt of being in debt so you are positive. Think of it as being bad at soccer. If you're bad at being bad, then you are good. Sorry for the messy explanation, but hopefully it is easier to grasp now.
With the apples its more like not having the absence of apples. Like I don't have 3 times the amount of not having two apples. So by not having the absence of 2x3 apples, you have 6 apples. Its like that achievement in Counterstrike called "counter-counter-terrorist" which you get for killling a Counter-Terrorist while he is defusing the bomb. A counter counter terrorist is just a terrorist. Not having the absence of something is having it.
Guess what!
In 1900 it was possible to collect all mathematical knowledge in the world and in written about 80 books, but today Such knowledge can fill more than one hundred thousand books :D
More fun when you can bust them out on demand. (But realistically, it's so you can bust them out for an exam...). I don't like memorizing them but I like knowing how to find them when needed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This would have been awesome in College.
I literally passed my last math course in Linear by begging the prof for a C.
I really think I'm just not not smart enough to comprehend a lot of it, more so the proofs. Some of the tests were composed of three questions that expected 2-3 pages worth of a proof.
I basically told the prof that it was my last year (of 6) and for the love of god have mercy on this super super senior that is also an idiot and let me pass and I promise to never take a job that requires any linear algebra.
I think I would have literally cried if I had to stay in school for a 7th year for one course. I haven't cried in 10 years.
Edit: degree is Comp Sci, I don't know how I made it through.
I looked at the site, but is there anything on there that might help a 6th grader understand common math theories. She's looking at distributive property now and doesn't really understand it that well.
Jefri91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:57 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cocopuffs
AtoZZZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:06 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math is a wonderful thing,
Math is a really cool thing,
So get off your ath, let's do some math,
math, math, math, math, math
Hopefully in the future the author explains a few more things:
What jobs use whatever math you're looking at (with an example)
Why you need to learn that specific math for the real world
I've yet to use much algebra in the real world(if any), especially shit like radicals, factoring, etc. It is HARD to keep my interest when I know I'm temporarily learning this (meaning I'll forget it the day after the semester ends....happens with every course not related to what I wanna do in life).
I suffer from dyscalculia so I was excited to look at this website in the hopes it could finally make maths easier for me. Unfortunately I had the usual reaction. :-( so bummed
Aw man, sorry to hear that :(. My general philosophy is that no matter the concept, there some way to look at it have it make sense. It may not be my site but there's a better explanation out there. I'm happy to help clear up any confusion if there's a particular issue I can help with.
Thanks for that offer. I work my way through things now with help from Google University. Thankfully I've taught myself how to use Excel and I use it to get myself out of tough spots. :-)
I wish there was a site like this back in my high school days. I use to love math so much until around the 10th grade where I just became disenfranchised by what we were "learning". I lost complete interest because I didn't understand what we were doing. All I knew was to memorize a formula and then plug in the numbers. Surprising I got through high school math with decent grades but once I got into post-secondary it all fell apart as my weaknesses were exposed.
I will be passing this site off to my younger relatives!
murde1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:27 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am a mechanical engineer with a masters degree and several 400-700 level advanced math courses in linear algebra, partial differential equations, and so on. I find this site amazing and useful. What a great way to display these concepts. I can say I wish this was around a few years ago
[Warning: shameless self-plug] I'm a developer for software called Graspable Math that aims to make math learning intuitive as well, by giving users the ability to make equations that respond to gestures from a finger or a mouse. If you've traditionally struggled with math you may find this tool helps as well: http://graspablemath.com/ (try out our tutorials, then move on to our demos). Let me know what you think!
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Potsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The title of this article exposes the true problem with some education systems. Increasingly often, students are taught to a test. This is a side effect of standardized testing where good scores mean good things for the school/district and bad scores can lead to reduced budgets or other penalties.
When this happens teachers are pressured to make sure their students get good marks on the tests. The teaching techniques used to teach subjects then change slowly towards teaching information for memorization; steps to complete a puzzle like a recipe instead of teaching for understanding of a technique and why it works.
We end up with students who can memorize some set of steps or rules to solve a quadratic equation but aren't able to balance an equation or create that quadratic formula from the standard form.
Some subjects work well with memorization but others require understanding.
Teaching a standardized set of concepts that get tested later and teaching understanding over memorization are not mutually exclusive. Not even a little bit.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:28:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His math lessons are not very good if you are learning something for the first time. They are needlessly complicated by analogies that are often stretched. It may be useful if you know an idea already but want to look at it another way. In general, it is terrible way to learn from scratch.
Unless Princeton is different than other schools, I'm pretty sure they don't let outsiders set up personal accounts on their website. Also the site is basically from 2002-2003. He probably wanted to give a sense of professionalism by not having exploding fireworks and dancing hamsters on his page.
Also a quick google search supports that he was cited by the New York Times.
The thing that is bother me is that I was hoping to find something new and unique, instead I found common core math and the way I approach these subjects with my students.
The number of people going "OMG! I understand math now!" is troublesome because all it means is that you most likely didn't pay attention the first or third time. Now that you aren't in a classroom, you aren't being tested, and it is being laid out for you, of course you get it! But, can you repeat it?
Y u no listen in the first place?! (No, seriously, if I can figure this out, I can be a more effective teacher).
I can see by the pattern of the "controversial" comments that there is someone intentionally downvoting every comment that claims to find this useful. That is a complete violation of reddiquette and general Reddit rules on how to use the vote buttons, not to mention a dick move.
The kind of people that need metaphors to understand math are the kind of people who probably aren't going to need advanced math in the career they end up in. I find basically zero use out of this website.
The kind of people that need metaphors to understand math are the kind of people who probably aren't going to need advanced math in the career they end up in.
That is usually because the learning environment for STEM careers is very aggressive towards people who don't grasp stuff at the first try, and ends up being discouraging and depressing so most opt out. Changing that mindset will increase the number of people in the subject (don't you gringos have a huge issue with women and some minorities not getting in STEM?) and will provide different perspectives on issues that might help tackle them faster.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm getting old but I have seen "math" referred to as "maths" several times now. Why is this?
This is in addition to seeing the phrase "seek for", which seems redundant to me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Americans say math, most other places say maths since it's short for mathematics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh it makes sense now.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you can make it to Fourier Transforms, I don't understand why you'd ever need to have it dumbed down to describe it like making smoothies. I don't understand what is so hard to understand that 1+1 = 2 or that an integral represents the AUC. We need to stop always appealing to the lowest common denominators and just accept the fact that people have different natural born talents.
"In a very intuitive" rather than In very intuitive". The "a" is attached to "way" (n.) but gives way to descriptors "very" and "intuitive".
You can also use "the" in place of "a", or a number "two ways" but it wouldn't make sense in this context as it is just one of a variety of unnamed and unknown ways.
And hello! You have an excuse, usually it's just people that don't know how to write in their own language which is sad. This is actually a really cool site, I'll probably be using it as I go back to school to study up for my masters.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! makes sense. Real thanks for noticing this mistake as it will surely help me improve my English.
Ford42 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:31:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:11:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm American and I agree with him. We still have a third world-like attitude towards many things, like criminal justice and women's sexuality.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 17:19:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I say third world-like, I don't mean that we're as bad as the worst third world countries in those areas. Plenty of third world countries treat criminals fairly and aren't prudes about female sexuality.
When I say third world-like, I mean "falling below the standards of a first world country." Our criminal justice system is retributive rather than rehabilitative. Promiscuous women are still shamed while promiscuous men are celebrated. Both of these things happen because of our backwards way of thinking, often rooted in religious beliefs.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 16:12:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths doesn't turn it into a plural any more than mathematics is plural. It isn't.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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gummz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:46:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you say mathematics is fun, or mathematics are fun?
How many maths did you take in high school?
No, that is not what you would say. It's clear you're American.
How much maths did you take in high school?
This is just hilarious. Stop embarrassing yourself.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:44:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was just trying to point out that maths is plural of math.
No. Get this into your thick head. Maths is another abbreviation of mathematics, just like math. You're wrong because people don't use it that way, simple as that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:26 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I see maths, I think this math, this math, this math, and this one too.
You're wrong. Please accept that and move on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, how can you be this dumb? You will only make this harder on yourself when you have nothing more to say.
Books is to maths, like book is to math. There's a variety, but it isn't all of them, it's multiple.
Oh my god no you dumb shit, maths is an abbreviation of mathematics.
Wikipedia
In English, the noun mathematics takes singular verb forms. It is often shortened to maths or, in English-speaking North America, math.
You are wrong. Please do not humiliate yourself further.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't I already tell you a while ago Americans are different and we think differently?
Please refer to the Wikipedia article. You use math, the rest of English speakers use maths. Maths is not a plural for math, maths is an abbreviation for mathematics, regardless of what you personally think.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You don't say "many mathematics," you say "a lot of mathematics." So, no, still wrong.
You mean in the rest of the English speaking world do they say maths, yes. India, Australia, Great Britain, Ireland, etc.
Although I think mathematics might be plural and singular at the same time. Like, on one hand it could refer to all of the formulas and different subjects under the umbrella and on the other it refers to the subject as a whole. Then again, science is just as fragmented and we don't call it sciences so I don't know.
babney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:31:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
English speaking European folks say "Maths" instead of "Math". It's a different way of shortening the word "Mathematics". Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
Please note that not everyone on the "world wide web" is from your home town.
gummz ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:35:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics is not plural.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:50:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it is. It's a collective term for the study of topics such as quantity (numbers), structure, space, and change.
gummz ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:46:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you say mathematics is fun, or mathematics are fun? It used to be a plural word, but colloquial use dictates the dictionary, not the other way around.
Because his colloquialism is the objectively correct one, obviously. Jeez, is that so hard to understand?
erfling ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What colloquialism? Maths and mathematics are both singular. That's how the words are used in every dialect I've ever heard them in, anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:38:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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erfling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:32 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I mean I've literally never heard it used in a structurally plural way. Even in any dialect of British English. I understand it to be collective, but, again, usage determines meaning, and I've never heard anyone say "Maths are" or "Mathematics are'. Have you? I mean, other than in a discussion about the use of the words. Like, as a native speaker of both Standard English and Southern American English, it parses very weirdly to me to hear "maths are". I don't think people say that in British English or any dialect. Happy to hear a counter-example, and I Googled the phrase, but couldn't find it.
gummz ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:36:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's an older colloquialism that is no longer in use, hence my example: mathematics is fun. The other is archaic, but still in the dictionary.
Found this website that uses "Maths" (even as "Maths is...") in about five seconds of google. Not to mention all the Brits on this post who have been telling you they use it.
You made the claim that dictionaries are dictated by colloquialism, and seem to be using that to discredit the colloquial spelling "maths." I'm pointing out that that's a self defeating argument.
gummz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm using that to discredit people saying maths, or mathematics, is plural. What is reading comprehension.
They're right. You're wrong. And you're the one who's failing reading comprehension.
Both math and maths are acceptable abbreviations of mathematics in different dialects. Everyone in this conversation agrees on that. Why are you arguing against something your conversational partner isn't saying?
However, none of these words are plural. Mathematics is not a plural word, and nor are either of its abbreviations. The proof, already provided above and ignored by you, is in the phrase "Mathematics is fun", which clearly uses a singular verb form.
Because I've clearly failed at reading comprehension as it now clear to me upon review. I must have thought I was replying to a different thread and then got a little heated and defensive. My apologies to both of you.
gummz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Americans are truly incapable of being wrong. That's three of you that just can't wrap your heads around the fact that you're wrong. Is this a cultural thing? Power through ignorance?
Why would I continue to rail against someone so intractable? You claim colloquilisms are valid, but it is clear you mean only the ones you use and have experienced. If you want to set yourself up as the grand Pooh-Bah of English and discount what anyone else says on the basis of their nationality, that honestly sounds more like your problem than mine.
gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let me help you by reminding you where we left off:
No, I'm using that to discredit people saying maths, or mathematics, is plural.
As /u/TRiG_Ireland has pointed out, I am indeed in the wrong here. My apologies for getting defensive about this.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Either one is correct. Also, that argument, while accurate, is circular. If that's the case my usage is covered under colloquial usage as well.
gummz ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's an older colloquialism that is no longer in use, hence my example: mathematics is fun. The other is archaic, but still in the dictionary. No one says mathematics are fun.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You just did.
gummz ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:39:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you've resorted to that, it's time to be quiet.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/doesn't
gummz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your little amerifat brain is incapable of admitting its faults, isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that question answers itself...
SBareS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:13:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
2015
More like Britain.
Sataris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
English speaking European folks say "Maths" instead of "Math". It's a different way of shortening the word "Mathematics". Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
droddt ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
English speaking European folks say "Maths" instead of "Math". It's a different way of shortening the word "Mathematics". Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
null_work ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
It's arbitrary, not technically correct in any way at all.
Edit: How do English speaking European folks abbreviate economics or politics? Yea, it's completely arbitrary. Also, fun fact, "math" is the older form than "maths."
It's fun watching Brits try to defend their illogical word usage.
[deleted] ยท 744 points ยท Posted at 13:44:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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pb_zeppelin ยท 1285 points ยท Posted at 14:44:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Hey! Kalid from BetterExplained here. Woke up this morning to crazy site alerts. I'm working to get it online but here's a few popular articles:
Imaginary numbers: http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide-to-imaginary-numbers/
Understanding e: http://betterexplained.com/articles/an-intuitive-guide-to-exponential-functions-e/
Intuitive Trig: http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-trigonometry/
Calculus intro: http://betterexplained.com/calculus/lesson-1
Sine waves: http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-understanding-of-sine-waves/
Euler's Formula: http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-understanding-of-eulers-formula/
Linear Algebra: http://betterexplained.com/articles/linear-algebra-guide/
Pareto Principle (80/20 rule): http://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-pareto-principle-the-8020-rule/
Site is up now!
Welp, I guess I can use Reddit as my blog until things are working normally. AMA and I'll answer as best I can.
General Learning Philosophy: Anything can be understood if we approach it the right way. Spoken language, writing, number systems, we figured these out. We can learn math too. The system I like (ADEPT) is
Example: Negative numbers were finally understood in the late 1700s. When the American Revolution was happening. They baffled people for so long because "How can you have less than nothing?". Something can be there, or not there, but what does "negative there" mean?
Doesn't make sense! So, we have BC and AD (before an event, after an event), debits vs credits (two ways to track your balance, not a negative balance), East and West (not negative West) and so on.
But with the analogy of a number line, boom, negative numbers make sense. You have a single scale, with a neutral point, and you can go left and right from there. One analogy and the "opposite of there" make sense. (Now we get into fun philosophy: how can the universe come from nothing? How can 0 = -1 + 1? How can zero be made of two non-zero things? Not saying that's the answer, I'm just saying we have way better ways to think now! That's how math expands your brain.)
Most of math is like that. Arithmetic is impossibly tedious when thinking about numbers as individual lines (III), or in the Roman Numeral system. Move to decimals (sets of 10) and you've just unlocked a superpower. Not a lot more work, but you have 3rd graders with better math skills than Roman emperors. That's how learning should be done baby.
Update: Time to dust off the old subreddit I made a while back! (7 years ago... now's the time to shine!)
https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterExplained/
Site update: I've got the site back under control. I think. Let's see how much huggin' is out there.
Donation update: A few people have asked how to suppor the site. I don't have donations, but a buddy cajoled me into starting a patreon: https://www.patreon.com/betterexplained
Honestly, my goal is to share insights that actually work with everyone. The site is free, an honest recommendation to a friend or family member who it could help is more than enough. I'm thinking of rewards for supporters (Q&A calls, etc.) and ideas are welcome!
AJBURNSRED ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have struggled with these concepts from Precalc to calc 2 and I never had a firm understanding of the subjects. I felt like I was just memorizing equations and computations. This is the first time I can actually say that I understand a trig concept after reading your explanations. Thank you so much!
pb_zeppelin ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:15:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, glad to hear it! One of my big life philosophies is that any concept can be understood if we approach it the right way. Very happy to hear it made sense :).
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:29:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I'm 33 and always had trouble understanding math. Your site makes it much easier to understand. I wish math teachers thought this way in school. Awesome site.
pb_zeppelin ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man. I'm about the same age and am finally getting things to click that bothered me way back in high school.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:05:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm excited to check it out. I've been teaching math to kids in bad schools for a decade, and I take a similar approach to you. I have faith that even those that struggle mightily will understand a concept ig taught correctly. Eg, I teach the number line drawn vertically, and I talk about zero being ground level, with below it (negatives) being underground. This clarifies the concept almost instantly for kids. It's like a revelation. All of algebra can be taught in a sensical way too, making it much easier for kids to grasp.
Edit: creepy word replaced with a non-creepy one.
autobahnaroo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice! But do you reverse the number line back to horizontal for the Cartesian plane or are you working with it as the y-axis all along? I imagine that defining it as y first wouldn't be so bad actually.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the coordinate plane is used as is.
I hadn't thought about connecting it (the vertical number line) to the y-axis, actually - though that now makes sense. I like to avoid any further abstraction, at the time of teaching this, though. One thing at a time, and keeping their brain in the concept of integers as numbers in relation to ground - level. Eg, "OK, your starting 5 feet underground (-5) and you're going up 8 feet (+8). Where do you end up?"
autobahnaroo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. I assume you're doing this in September? You'd have to eventually abstract though. I'll try this method out next year and report back :)
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:03 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I think the vast, vast majority of concepts are not inherently difficult, we're just looking at them wrong. Often time we just hand down the lessons we struggled through, instead of wondering if there's a way to have it really click. Awesome to see how you're helping kids in the real world.
romancity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I like his site a lot also. Some thoughts on your post.
I think drawing the number line vertically is risky. Horizontally is so established, and if you can argue they can adjust, then let them adjust to horizontal at first.
Also, we write horizontally b/c it's simpler.
Lastly, you can always start with horizontal, then talk vertical, then even show both. One example may be a construction worker measuring left/right on the ground, and up/down with construction elevators.
starwhal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:10 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:51 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha... Um, I meant sensical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Congratulations for taking the time and doing this .. I am more than familiar with all of these concepts because of what I do, checked out a few of your pages and it is refreshing.
To be perfectly honest, I felt that a lot of the important stuff is buried with lots of unnecessary anectodes, (writing "our bacterial friends" doesn't help anyone learn anything, and it is not really that much fun to have to sift through that stuff if I was trying to learn something technical), and you seem to believe that somehow your playful method is more effective.
The explanation of imaginary numbers and exponentials were far from original, and the point is, they do not need to be. When a beginner is approaching the concept for the first time, finding a new way of explaining it really is not that necessary all that much. You want to find the most important notions being imparted as quickly and as efficiently possible. They are new beginners after all, they are not the same students that would appreciate a new angle. Unless you are Feynman, who had a very good balance between anectodes and concrete stuff, it is really hard to pull off being original, while dismissing a gigantically inhomogeneous resource such as Wikipedia as "rigorous" to the point of being "obscure". You are very well aware that whatever you say in those pages are in Wikipedia with much more detail, in some shape or form, and Wiki really doesn't read like Annals of Mathematics either.
Your approach has this "Work can be fun!" type of vibe, which is overrated.
If you want to learn imaginary numbers, you check 10 different general references and try to get it, plain English may seem useful superficially, but I can see it'll get old very quickly.
Edit: Just my two cents.
pb_zeppelin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey there! Thanks for the feedback, always glad to see honest feedback about what works / doesn't.
1) For playfulness, I know what you mean about the "work can be fun!" ("Let's memorize pi by singing a song!") and I hate that too. It's cheating the students from actually understand the concept. A better way to put it: when you finally understand a concept, that is incredibly fun. It's like actually hearing the song instead of staring at the sheet music. That's the type of fun I want (not trying to have fun by memorizing the sheet music).
2) Originality isn't that important -- we should use what works -- but I honestly haven't see any math lessons that use rotation examples for imaginary numbers. Literally every one I've seen (over the past 7 years) has people factoring algebraic equations like x2 + 3, where the solution could be imaginary. Never "Let's rotate this shape using imaginary numbers!". (Which is 100x more applicable and enjoyable, esp. since you'd normally need trig for that.)
Appreciate the feedback!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:00 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I gotta say, you took that in stride like a boss.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Honestly, there's too much context loss with the internet (tone of voice, facial expression, etc.) I just assume the best. And anonymous248 was very thoughtful in his/her reply too.
If someone is rude (which is fine, it happens) you just learn to move on. Life's too short.
romancity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, but what's your intuition for rotation being imaginary numbers?
Here's how I see it. On a one dimensional number line we can move right/left (+/-), stretch (x, multiply), or flip (-, negative).
How can we repeat an action to go from 1 to -1? Well, we can move left twice, but we already know that is saying 1 -1 -1 = -1.
Is there any other way? Well, no, not on the number line. But if we allow rotation, and hence force another dimension, then rotating 90` takes care of it.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:49 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, exactly. If we have a question like this:
x2 = -1
it's better written as
1 * x * x = -1
or "What transformation x, when applied twice, turns 1 to -1?" (It should also turn 2 to -2, 3 to -3, so it can't be a fixed subtraction.)
A 90-degree rotation does the trick (either direction).
Some diagrams, etc. here, I think we have the same intuition:
http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide-to-imaginary-numbers/
romancity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:57 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the great response. I tutor math and think a lot about how to explain it.
I never thought of x2 = -1 written as 1 * x * x = -1
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:50 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Yeah, it's a bit like English, if we say "Go home" we really mean "You go home". The subject is implicit and when first learning, you want things to be very explicit. x2 = -1 is a transformation that starts from 1.0.
asingh21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Kalid, Your works looks great. I just failed Multivariable Calculus. I just can't understand 3 D space and all the concepts like Flux, etc. Do you have something for me?
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Yep, vector calc was actually the topic that made me look for insights. I have articles on flux, etc., check out:
http://betterexplained.com/static/articles/flux/
There's a full series from that page. Hope that helps!
asingh21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is great. Would love it if you had wrote a book on Multivariable Calculus and also Stochastic Calculus. Basically your work was just what I needed in my life.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I'd love to do multivariable calc one day, that subject actually made me start the site. I have a series on it here:
http://betterexplained.com/static/cheatsheet/#vector-calculus
ButtInspector420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You've probably already thought of this, but have you ever tried giving an in-depth explanation for how you approach problems? I feel like that would be extremely useful.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, thanks for the idea! I have my general approach here:
http://betterexplained.com/articles/adept-method
but I'd like to do way more on it, with more examples. Thanks for the suggestion!
adam_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:30 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've tutored people with college math, and it seems like concepts are outside the scope of rote memorization. I (and a friend with 50+ years experience as a math teacher) feel that the concept is more important than the equation (the reason for being)- but the way math is taught we are typically given a key (the equation) without a map (the problem being solved).
Good on ya for putting this out there!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:05 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I agree, the concept is key -- it's what we remember long after the details are forgotten. And the details are easy to relearn if the concept was internalized correctly. I think that's the heart of education, being familiar and comfortable with ideas so you can rehydrate them when necessary, vs. having a fragile, one-time understanding.
DragonToothGarden ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:36:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At least you made it to calc2. I dropped out of pre-calc and became a lawyer instead. See? If we had better math professors, we'd have fewer lawyers!
dextroz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:04:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dude this needs to go on your headstone.
newpaige ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is not even a joke. If I can't get it together I'm going to law school. I signed up the minute I landed on the site. Lol my hope is so high
DragonToothGarden ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We love you! In all seriousness, I struggled so much with more basic math (statistics/calculus) when I was younger, and simply couldn't "get it". (Also, the teacher's method of teaching was to write the formulas on the board and yell if we didn't get it.
pb_zeppelin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:40:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Love you too! Argh, it kills me, when people are afraid to ask questions it just shuts down learning. It was actually a similar experience (being super frustrated by a bad teacher) that made me want to write things how I wish I was taught.
DragonToothGarden ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:26 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Picture a 7th grader with a intimidating math teacher. Or an adult with an intimidating college prof. If you get yelled at, you immediately feel you are far, far behind your classmates, and an idiot beyond help and you simply find a way to extricate yourself from the meeting, slowly back out and hope you get a passing grade on the final. And you swear to yourself, "I will never, ever to a math equation again for the rest of my life once this class is over."
Your website is wonderful - you will help many people.
hyperforce ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:38:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I admire this guy's Reddit hustle.
pb_zeppelin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:42:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, thanks, to me it's like having Netflix Hustle =). I'm getting good at wasting time!
thegillmachine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're pretty good at usernames, too.
pb_zeppelin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:51:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It all started when I wanted play StarCraft online in high school and Led Zeppelin was taken. High school chem to the rescue!
Dr_Rylai ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:57:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just read two of your articles, and man, you just blew my mind.
Absolutely amazing. Thank you!
pb_zeppelin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome to hear, thanks!
dextroz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reading all these comments, I can't wait until your website is back up.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I just did some updates and made a static version of the site here:
http://betterexplained.com/static/
Hopefully that helps handle the reddit burst.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:58:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for Reddit Hug of Death.
pb_zeppelin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! The site should be up again here:
http://betterexplained.com/static/
I had to make a static version of the site to help handle the traffic.
mr_huh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I would be interested to hear a programmer's point of view on how to overcome a Reddit Hug of Death scenario, if you have time.
pb_zeppelin ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:00:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, sure!
Freak out a bit with a site alert at 7 in the morning.
Once you wake up...
Generate a fully static version of your site. I was using a WordPress Caching plugin, but even with the plugin WordPress is making a lot of database requests. I used the "simply static" plugin to make a static copy of the site. (Static means it's a fully rendered document, instead of the "raw text" that needs to be injected in a template, menus/footers added, etc.)
Put the static version of your site somewhere (such as betterexplained.com/static)
Change your web server to send requests for the live version of the document to the static version. In my case, an article at betterexplained.com/articles/blah goes to betterexplained.com/static/articles/blah
Ideally, I'd change the requests so the static version gets served in-place of the live one, but I don't care right now. Mostly trying to get something working and answer questions.
Keep an eye on site performance. I'm seeing 2.7k simultaneous visitors (over 100x the site average) and since the numbers are still there I'm assuming things are good.
Hope that helps.
mr_huh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're a one man start-up. Thanks!
Umutuku ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tons of calculus, diff-eq, lin-al, and a few EE classes, and no one ever said the word "rotation" when talking about complex numbers. This is what pisses me off so much about uni. It's always "this is some shit, accept it, and use it for this over here" instead of understanding what the hell it is in the first place.
That was really straightforward. Kudos.
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Argh, that's exactly it! It's just a single word -- rotation -- and YEARS of math classes suddenly get easier (it happened to me too, I was happy/angry at the same time). It kills me. But we can help make it easier for the kids in school now.
Really glad it helped.
Umutuku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely helped. I'll be going through the rest of your material too and see what sort of insights you have.
I'd like to pick your brain on your learning/teaching-strategy perspectives sometime if you don't mind. 90% of the thoughts going through my head in university were basically just realizing the educational system was pretty fucked, trying to understand how and why it was fucked, and scheming up innovations to unfuckulate it all. I have a lot of other things I'm working on at the moment (automation and athletic medical device startups), but I have this desire to go back to the source on a lot of those problems and make some quantum leaps in the human learning experience so I take on side projects in that vein from time to time. There are a ton of people doing awesome things in the tech-startup world and through "intrapreneurship" in schools. I'd love to see your take on where the education ecosystem is headed.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to! I have a contact form on the site:
http://betterexplained.com/contact
just drop me a note and we can setup a quick chat. I like meeting up with other people interested in education.
CANT_ARGUE_DAT_LOGIC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:31:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm fucking hungry and have to run out to the store. Thanks.
pb_zeppelin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Over the years I've been taking stock positions in the massively overlooked hot dog industry. All the subtle product placement is going to pay off big!
CANT_ARGUE_DAT_LOGIC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It was beautifully written. I can't wait to show my 13 year old son, who is in his first year of high school and bursting to learn everything science and math.
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! I love helping parents explore new concepts with their kids. Also, it's a personal thing, make the diagrams/analogies/metaphors your own. I'm just a guy pointing out a nice sunset, maybe you have a better vantage point.
976692e3005e1a7cfc41 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your site is great!
pb_zeppelin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
SometimesStuffIsFun ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have exams in January. You sir just saved my life. Live long and may the force be with you (wasn't sure which one to go with if any at all :P)
pb_zeppelin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice. I'm bi-star-exual. Actually, I was planning for a 2nd viewing today, I think that's out the window.
throwawaytrucker12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As someone with autism/retardation I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I only started reading about imaginary numbers but the way you put "i" as a pattern of "X,Y,-X,-Y" finally made it click in my head.
God I wish resources like your website and special ed in general was as good as it is now when I was growing up, Might actually have had a chance...
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much, I love it when things click for people. Usually it's just a single sentence or example that makes you go "Oh!!! Now I get it!". Same, I wish I had resources like this too, but we can always help out the kids coming up now.
Horforia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just read the first one about imaginary numbers, and the idea of using it to know how to move across the water in a boat is what makes this seem useful.
This being said, when you described i as flipping 90 degrees, I immediately wanted there to be a third...set of numbers? With the "normal" numbers being negative and positive, and i being perpendicular to that, why not have a third set of numbers perpendicular to the plane of those two sets? This way the analogy of the boat on water translates to a submarine under water, or a spaceship in space.
Does such a set of numbers exist? Can there be a fourth set of numbers to represent the dimension of time, parallel? to the "space" of the other set of numbers? If yes, it would make sense to me that there be a fifth set of "numbers" to represent whatever is perpendicular to time.
Tl;dr: This article answered one math question, but has given me even more math questions, and I'm not sure what words to use to make sense anymore.
pb_zeppelin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!!! I love it. That's exactly the question you ask when an idea clicks: Where else can we go?
There are 4d numbers called Quaternions that are used to model rotations in video games. Just like imaginary numbers can model 2d numbers, as you've seen.
There's a bit of math why we need 4d numbers to correctly model 3d rotations (google "Gimbal Lock") but it's awesome.
We can go higher and higher, but at some point it becomes easier to just write down numbers in a list vs. giving all the dimensions different letters. That list is called a "vector" and linear algebra is the study of how to use them!
dohawayagain ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:52:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this can be generalized to arbitrary dimensions, and it gets even more interesting in 3 and 4 dimensions. You could try googling "geometric algebra" or "algebra of physical space" or "spacetime algebra" or in general "clifford algebras."
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, great context! Thanks.
daniell61 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You sir.
just saved my math classes.
MVP right here.
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome!
daniell61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
:D
ShJC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Key to success right here. Major.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is great
Ansonm64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna be using your site a lot next term. Thank you.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:57 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! Somebody is posting with a similar username, but I'm the real me. Appreciate it.
Ansonm64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:05 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh ok I was confused. Thought you were being arrogant.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:06 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, and no way. I hate it when people take a holier-than-thou approach to education. We're all trying to climb the same mountain, let's help each other out.
pd_zeppelin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was obvious
redlaWw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've only just started looking, but I'm a maths student looking to go into teaching, and this site is amazing. One critique from what I've seen so far is that I think going into complex numbers to explain addition formulae is unnecessarily complicated; the same process could be done with coรถrdinates in R2, and while I like the complex numbers approach, students who haven't met them before are likely to struggle with them (at the very least, it's a significant complication for those who struggle with abstraction). Nonetheless, in general, I like what I see, and will definitely keep this site in mind in the future (assuming it stays up until I start teaching).
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the feedback! Yes, the trig angle formulas with complex number is probably too much for a first treatment. But for someone who has studied higher math it could be a new way to look at them. Thanks for the comment!
ChiquitoGrande ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Kalid, I am a student who has always had trouble understanding concepts in math. I know that I can get it eventually, but explanations don't normally click for me.
I just want to say that your explanation on imaginary numbers just clicked for me. Now I am inspired to learn more. You have a gift sir, and I thank you for your awesome service.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, thanks for the note! I made the site for other students so it's awesome to hear when it's working. That clicking feeling is something that can happen for any topic if we find the right explanation for it (math, science, history, etc.). Really glad the site helped.
oliolioxonfree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Give this man a sub!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I set this up a while back and now it's time to dust it off:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterExplained/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice! Glad it resonated.
getefix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great site! I was using it last week to learn how to use Baye's theorem. Keep up the good work!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Appreciate it, thanks!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. When it clicked it became one of my favorite topics.
werdnanoslen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kalid I've followed your blog for years now, and it's still my fav math-related one!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the long running support! =)
QuestionSleep86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hi thanks so much for this. It's an amazing resource.
I hope I wont be taking away from your spotlight too much if I ask you what kind of resources it took to develop this incredible tool, and what you think the barriers to implementing solutions like this at state and federal levels are.
Given that most students have a web browser in their pocket, shouldn't they already have a product like yours ready at hand?
I feel like this is something that should be implemented in education nationwide. It seems like a no-brainer to me. So I just hoped you might have some insight into what the reality of that kind of implementation is.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, should you; I'm sure you're preoccupied with new-found success. Congratulations!
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks so much! And no worries, it's something I've wondered a lot myself.
I think the biggest thing is actually being honest with ourselves about what works. We want technology, videos, holograms, VR, etc. to fix the problem. But I think it comes down to "Did it really click? In our heart of hearts, did the concept click?"
So, technology-wise I think anything can work (a blog with text is just fine). We need to be really honest about whether we understand the material we're teaching.
A good analogy is humor: you don't need technology to be funny. Text, video, sure, it's enough. We don't need 3d or VR or whatever to make something enjoyable. Similarly, we don't need that to make a concept click. Just a sense of what works or doesn't.
Always happy to help, I'm working through my message backlog. Always feel free to reach out.
QuestionSleep86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We'd be blessed to have teachers like you around the country brother!
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Appreciate it, thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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pd_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And thank youu random citizen!
tdltuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Responding to bookmark. I can't figure out how to star or favorite from my phone.
plutomutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anything for people trying to learn just basic math? Fractions and multiplication?
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have a guide to visualizing arithmetic here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/rethinking-arithmetic-a-visual-guide/
It helped me think through (intuitively) why things like negative * negative = positive.
XGC75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your host's error site is beautiful. That is all.
pd_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No shit.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Clever username! But pd isn't an element on the periodic table I can find...
123choji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:33 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bookmarked!
Chaosfreak610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Kalid from BetterExplained here. Woke up this morning to crazy site alerts. I'm working to get it online but here's a few popular articles:
โข Imaginary numbers: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide-to-imaginary-numbers/
โข Understanding e: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/an-intuitive-guide-to-exponential-functions-e/
โข Intuitive Trig: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-trigonometry/
โข Calculus intro: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/calculus/lesson-1
โข Sine waves: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-understanding-of-sine-waves/
โข Euler's Formula: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-understanding-of-eulers-formula/
โข Linear Algebra: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/linear-algebra-guide/
โข Pareto Principle (80/20 rule): http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-pareto-principle-the-8020-rule/
Working to get the site up, thanks!
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Welp, I guess I can use Reddit as my blog until things are working normally. AMA and I'll answer as best I can.
General Learning Philosophy: Anything can be understood if we approach it the right way. Spoken language, writing, number systems, we figured these out. We can learn math too. The system I like (ADEPT) is
โข Analogy - Tell me what it's like
โข Diagram - Help me visualize it
โข Example - Allow me to experience it
โข Plain English - Describe it with everyday words
โข Technical - Discuss the formal details
Example: Negative numbers were finally understood in the late 1700s. When the American Revolution was happening. They baffled people for so long because "How can you have less than nothing?". Something can be there, or not there, but what does "negative there" mean?
Doesn't make sense! So, we have BC and AD (before 0, after 0) and debits and credits (two ways to track your balance, not a negative balance), East and West (not negative West) and so on.
But with the analogy of a number line, boom, negatives make sense. You have a single scale, with a neutral point, and you can go left and right from there. One analogy makes the idea of "opposite of there" make sense.
Most of math is like that. Arithmetic is impossibly tedious when thinking about numbers as individual lines (III), or in the Roman Numeral system. Move to decimals (sets of 10) and you've just unlocked a superpower. Not a lot more work, but you have 3rd graders with better math skills than Roman emperors. That's how learning should be done baby.
Nice, maths.
ILOVELEARNINGNEWSHIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:26 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I minored in math as an undergrad and I didn't fully understand some of this shit until just now. I got good marks too, but I just took a lot of stuff as a given. Square root of a negative number? Eh, fuck it, throw a little i in that bitch. That's just what you do. Thinking of it as a rotation never occurred to me. And when you think of it that way, the applied stuff makes a lot more sense.
Thanks for this, dude! Definitely going to binge watch your vids at some point this week.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. I love hearing from other math people b/c it means it's really helping things click. Yeah, with e (continuous growth) and i (rotation) you mix those babies up (eix) and baby, you've got a circular orbit going! (That's all Euler's Formula does, make a circle!)
Hope you enjoy the videos. There's only a few now but hoping to change that.
ILOVELEARNINGNEWSHIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it up man! You're helping a lot of us other math people feel less like this
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! That's the biggest thing, helping people feel that concepts are within their grasp. Anything, with the right explanation, can be.
-PM_ME_YOUR_GENITALS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I really like your teaching style. I'll definitely be checking out the site when it goes back online. I've always struggled with math myself because I find it to be very difficult to get those aha moments where something suddenly makes intuitive sense. I feel like its a waste of time to simply memorize a bunch of equations to pass a math exam, and for some reason its hard to find courses that focus on fundamental understanding. Thanks for putting these together.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! Exactly, memorizing and forgetting is such a waste of time. The aha! moment is so motivating and leads to a long-lasting drive to learn.
emaciated_pecan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome site, good job! Keep up the good work :)
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
autobahnaroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I really love how you use history of math as part of your explanations! I have used the big History of Mathematics, and Geometry Civilized. What resources do you use to find history of math? Thanks!
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the note, I love connecting with other teachers. I'll use Wikipedia for the history section (normally there's a history segment for each topic) but then look elsewhere for the actual math (it's way too technical).
For example, for negative numbers, I saw they were only accepted in the late 1700s! There's a great quote in the Wiki page from some fuddy mathematician saying negatives would "darken the very whole doctrines of the equations". Just too good to pass up when teaching!
autobahnaroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cool! I'll check that out. You might really loveA Brief History of Mathematics, a podcast run through the BBC by Prof Marcus du Sautoy. He does short episodes on the older, "simple" math discoveries and links them to their application today.
Anyways I'm reading through your caches and I really like the dome idea for trigonometry. I can send you any lesson plans I make from your site
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the pointer, and any lesson plans would be great! I love seeing how people take the concepts and make them their own. My viewpoint is that of a guide who found one way up a mountain. There's lots of other ways to get up there and I'm curious to see what path other people take.
thestig97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Upboat4u
mynameisuncommon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it took me far too long to realize that your username was not, in fact, "peanut butter zeppelin"
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:26 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
peanut butter zeppelin time!
BlackDave0490 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for this. I went through a period of not being able to concentrate in school around 15 and it really hampered my progress, I still passed exams and stuff, but that was just luck. I'm trying to relearn some stuff so I can move on to more advanced stuff, this is very helpful, thanks
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, glad to hear. A big part of learning is knowing what works for you. I need analogies and metaphors (big picture stuff) before diving into the details.
spazmodic- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I read this, it made me think of the metric system. It's a sussinct way to describe how I feel about it. It's made with science in mind and is constantly improved in that regard. It's a less-obtuse and more-useful system that doesn't waste as much of your thinking on the plethora of conversion constants. It also avoids (you could probably argue "discourages") snapping to the closest fraction; fractions being well-established as generally unintuitive to the masses.
But it's an important thing to learn; how to temporarily forget what you "know" so you can entertain a new perspective. Makes learning paradigm-shifting discoveries a lot easier
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! Not having to worry about unit conversions (inches/feet/yards/miles) adds so much friction. There is the difficulty of giving up what you already know (and to be honest, I can't really visualize distance in cm, I convert to inches. 25cm? Not really sure. 10 inches? Ok, it's a banana.)
Both learning how to learn (and learning how to forget) are important.
spazmodic- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. I'd say I'm the same. I'm Canadian so human sized stuff is mostly still done in inches. And people use inches because they know inches. And they won't know mm/cm until they eschew inches completely, which is a tough proposition given our neighbor to the south.
If you think about it like language, it's like converting English literally to french and then speaking that, which is definitely thr wrong way to go about learning a language. You've gotta start thinking in the new language and don't use English as a crutch. Similarly, I realised I needed to do this, and so I got a metric only measuring tape (harder to find than you'd think) as well as measured various things on my arms for reference (length of index fingers, length of segments, length from inside of elbow to tip of middle finger, etc. Whatever was easily accessible or a round number)
Still a slow process, but you gotta have things to strive for. I tell you though, measuring with cm is great. 1 cm is small enough that you can round to 1 or 10 given thr situation. 0.5 cm is fine enough a measurement in most situations. So much cleaner than the awkward fractions USC uses commonly; especially when trying to figure out math with your measurements
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great point about thinking natively vs. translating in your head. When learning Spanish, after 15-20 mins of speaking I'm thinking directly in Spanish, but the first "warm-up" period means I'm converting from English again.
You probably need a "metric immersion" to fully think natively.
Embley_Awesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking forward to giving these a look through, and checking out your website when it's back up.
But I just wanted to say that this amazing! Although I didn't have a very difficult time understanding math concepts in school, MANY of my friends did, and although I was generally able to help them, I always felt that there had to be a better way to explain these concepts!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Sorry the site is having trouble right now, it should be up again. I really love it when people are able to help their friends and put their own spin on the explanations.
willgeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Such a shame I didn't know about this 5 years ago! I'll definitely recommend it to my little brother though. Would there be any scope to add other subjects? Maybe some biology/chemistry etc at college I'd have killed for a site that tells me advanced concepts in plain English.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to branch out into other topics, and collect/curate resources from other people that have really helped. Really glad if you can help out your bro!
jabelsBrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
neat. i'm looking into getting further into math and computer science, so i fully plan to check this all out. i saw a comment or two praising the calc. subbed to the subreddit as well!
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, thanks!
ilikeporkfatallover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went to your site.. Copy this all into a book. I will buy it and I'm sure others will too.
Nice job
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I actually have a "best of" book on Amazon here:
http://www.amazon.com/Math-Better-Explained-Unlock-Intuition-ebook/dp/B006J5L3VU
I don't really pitch it enough on the site, but thanks for support!
ilikeporkfatallover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet. Just purchased. After I'm done I'll have to read your calculus book.
You should at least advertise your book on your site.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, thanks. Yeah, I've been shy about making the house ads too big, etc. but there's no reason not to let people know. Thanks.
mr_huh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How do I give your site gold rather than Reddit gold?
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just setup a Patreon page:
https://www.patreon.com/betterexplained
Thanks for any support!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a patreon page or anything yet, but the most I could ask for is a sincere recommendation to a friend of family member who could use it. Thank you!
Dog_Lawyer_DDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man I was a math tutor for 4 years. Thanks for teaching me how to teach people what e is in an intuitive way
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! I love helping out other teachers. My goal is provide fresh ingredients that others can cook up in their own way.
AnalogMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. You've explained imaginary numbers in a way I finally get. I could use them but never really understood how it worked.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to hear it clicked. That's awesome.
krackers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome site! Any plans to do one on lagrange multipliers?
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have some work in progress on it:
http://aha.betterexplained.com/t/lagrange-multipliers/659
hope to turn it into a full article soon!
jacluley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Kalid. Thank you for the work! I ended up on your explanation of Log N over the weekend, and it was very in depth. It really helped with the excel course I am trying to take on Coursera.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome to hear, thanks!
mkrfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As someone trying to learn the math needed to develop my own synthesizers, this is amazing.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, you might like this Fourier Transform one: http://betterexplained.com/static/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-the-fourier-transform/
mkrfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was looking for a good explanation on exactly this topic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap, dude. I know what "e" means now. I mean, I knew how to use it, but now I know what it is.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! It took me years to finally pin down that squirrelly SOB.
Drudicta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I could not for the life of me find any of these links actually on the website....
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about that, I really need to improve my navigation. I have an all-up site index here:
http://betterexplained.com/cheatsheet
Drudicta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:06 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. =D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Would love to. Have a super rough set of notes here:
http://aha.betterexplained.com/t/laplace-transform/8
Super rough intuition from a programmer, not engineer:
The Fourier Transform breaks a signal into its constituent circles. What combination of circles can create the signal I have?
The LaPlace Transform breaks a signal into spirals. Spirals have an additional parameter compared to circles (their rate of growth/decay) hence the complex number s=a+ bi vs. the pure frequency modifier component in the Fourier Transform (bi). Put another way, e{a + bi}x = e{ax} * e{bix}. That the decay/growth is e{ax}, the rotation is e{bix}.
Why are spirals useful? Well, they decay naturally. So we don't need a zillion interacting circles to model a system that decays over time (like most systems due, because of friction, etc.). So LaPlace is better for modeling real-world signals, Fourier for man-made signals (like audio tracks where you have a drumbeat in an audio file that never decays).
Freedom40l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This will definitely help a lot of people. Thanks.
riotwraith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting so many responses that I'm sure you've already answered this and I can't find it, so no pressure if you can't get to this question.
How is reddit's hug of death affecting you personally? Is this going to cost you a lot of money?
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, staying on top of messages as I can. Nope, no real cost except for time. I had to rejigger some server settings, etc. to make it use a static (fixed) version of the site vs. one that was generated each time. I'd been meaning to do it anyway, but this was a kick in the pants.
Thankfully the site is mostly text, with any videos on youtube, so the bandwidth isn't much.
bippetyboppety ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I dropped out of maths at high school aged about 15 because I didn't "get" calculus etc - it was too abstract, I didn't understand how it related to anything "real". I enjoyed stuff like chemistry & biology, but dropped them eventually because you couldn't do them at university level without maths. As an adult I had a go at learning maths a few times - I kept an interest in science & got into computers in the 80s. I dated a mathematician for a while & got him to try teaching me. Bad idea!! Ha ha, he had no idea how little I knew. I tried self-teaching from books, but still no joy. I started to think maybe I had a kind of dyslexia but with numbers.
Five minutes on BetterExplained and I think maybe this is it. At the age of 63 I might finally learn some maths. The analogy approach is like a magic trick! You have showed me the light switch and I could not be more grateful. Brilliant.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much, it's really touching to hear. I love helping people discover new ways to learn things.
So many concepts are simple at their core, but we tend to make them more confusing with symbols, notation, strict rules, etc. The rules are helpful for corner cases, and when really drilling down, but they're overwhelming to a beginner. Don't make a kid learn scales. Have them bang around on a drum and have a good time. Then when they want to remember what they played, or share it with someone else, teach them how to do it. Math is the same way: get the big idea, explore it a bit, then learn the official lingo so you can share your ideas with others (or read what they came up with).
So glad to hear things are clicking!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:34 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, do you accept submissions? I think we all have some subject we can explain and maybe after a bit of cleanup (so they have a consistent style) you could add those to your site.
I mean, at least I feel I owe you one for this image, I always try to remember those relations or going to Wikipedia, now that is in my favourites ready to save me lots of time.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:02 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey James! Thanks for asking. I'm working on setting up a community site (http://aha.betterexplained.com) as a companion to the site. Over time the discussions can turn into full-on articles and guides.
If you have a topic you'd like to explain, feel free to create a topic there (or on the subreddit /r/BetterExplained) and we go from there! Thanks for the interest :).
flexiverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:42 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wish you would do more updates !
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:16 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, me too. Hoping to let myself write more often and revise based on feedback. I tend to procrastinate by trying to tweak things too much. Appreciate the support!
flexiverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:03 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the secret you've been waiting to learn : http://www.locusmag.com/Features/2009/01/cory-doctorow-writing-in-age-of.html
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:27 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, thanks!
flexiverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:27 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Seriously pay attention to this, most people can't. But it is the secret how you can, say, write a novel in a year.
With literally minimal effort. It's virtually magic as most get it, but 99% of people can't apply it.
It's also the secret of why few are rich and many are poor. They aren't any smarter they just know this secret and actually do it.
Everyone no matter how perfectionist or lazy or busy and everything in between has 20 mins a day. Even you.
That's all it actually takes.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:04 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. I re-read the post just now and cranked out a quick draft post. Felt good to get the ball rolling.
flexiverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now keep the ball rolling. Remember this is where people fail. It's only 20 mins a day.
The rest of the day you could literally do nothing or play games all day, and if you keep going you'll have shit loads of amazing content in a few months.
This is the Simple secret of ALL succeesful writers. I've researched it, they just write 1-2 pages a day.
Look at how many books Stephen King has knocked out. Read his interview on rolling stone, most of the Time he was a complete alcoholic and cocaine addict. Even now he spends most of his time binge watching Netflix.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:14 on December 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just took another crack and cranked today. I want to see how this plays about but knowing it only needs to be a few minutes (and I can let myself off the hook after) gives me the burst of energy to make the attempt. Dreading hours-long writing sessions was horrible. Going to find that interview.
flexiverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:40 on December 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It works because those 20 mins just fly by, when you are in razor sharp focus. Infact I had the problem in NOT stopping!!!
But it's important to STOP at 20 mins, so the next day you are more than looking forward to and ready, and even know what you are going to write.
Your magical unconscious mind was already working on it ! So stopping mid-way is part of the secret.
Just remember this is a magical process very very few people get right and keep up. But those those people who keep it up enter real magical place of productivity which very few on the planet achieve.
That razor sharp focus for 20mins gets pretty amazing once you "click"
Put it this way, I was working on Side project a while back on an idea. This is how I did it. 18 months later it was sold for 1 million!
To me the whole thing was completely effort less. Razor sharp focus every day for a short time works. Trust me. Successful people know this secret, but rarely share it.
:-)
rockskavin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:26 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're the math teacher we all wished for but never had. Thank you so much.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:23 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really appreciate it, thank you.
justsyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:26 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this could be in Spanish too. I have a lot of friends who would love this, but they live in a place where learning another language is kind of difficult because they don't "need" it there.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:15 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks - I have a list of translations here:
http://betterexplained.com/translations/
but not any in Spanish unfortunately. But if anyone translates an article I'm happy to add them!
Rezzinu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:43 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot say thank you enough for this!
I somehow made it through calculus into differentials without ever fully understanding trig! Now after reviewing your site it's like a light has been shined down from heaven. Thank you!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:24 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that is incredible to hear, thank you! I was similar, I finally figured out trig about 2 years ago, long after I "learned" it in school. Ack. Most I can do is keep going :).
Deliziosax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:18 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought I sucked at math and so did my math teachers, so I just stopped trying and accepted my fate. Then I got a teacher who explained everything slowly and systematically and if you didn't understand she was glad to do everything over again. After her I got a math teacher who went faster but taught us things in different ways, taught us more than just the formulas, made us think outside of the box.
Without those 2, math would've never been my best subject in high school in the end. I really believe that there are tons of people right now who think they suck at math who just haven't been told the concepts correctly.
So THANK YOU for doing what you're doing!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:53 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing what worked. Exactly, a few positive influences can change someone's love of a subject (or a few negative ones can turn someone away). I hope to show people that if something doesn't click the first time there's another explanation out there that can help, and to keep looking. Appreciate the comment.
nolo_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:45 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your /u took me a second, but is likewise awesome.
WetBandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:40 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dk if this will get buried or not, but as a physician, if you could explain biostatistics (the clinical sort we see in journal papers, not the basic science stuff), I know for a fact it's a need we have.
Starting with specificity/sensitivity/absolute risk reduction, etc.
Here's something I lifted from a Stanford syllabus:
Week 1 - Descriptive statistics and looking at data
Week 2 - Review of study designs; measures of disease risk and association
Week 3 - Probability, Bayes' Rule, Diagnostic Testing
Week 4 - Probability distributions
Week 5 - Statistical inference (confidence intervals and hypothesis testing)
Week 6 - P-value pitfalls; types I and type II error; statistical power; overview of statistical tests
Week 7 - Tests for comparing groups (unadjusted); introduction to survival analysis
Week 8 - Regression analysis; linear correlation and regression
Week 9 - Logistic regression and Cox regression
Thanks!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the suggestions! I have an article on Bayes Theorem that might be useful:
http://betterexplained.com/static/articles/an-intuitive-and-short-explanation-of-bayes-theorem/
Hoping to do more stats down the line. I don't know that much yet but am looking forward to learning.
romancity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The extreme responses are pretty disappointing.
1) The guy owes us nothing, and I don't see him as being manipulative, a jerk, or trying to sell us something (did I see a print book? - that costs money). If looking at his website for a few minutes gave you no benefit, move on.
2) Many others and I found much of what he said helpful.
3) Lastly, I found some of his explanations not so helpful or not really different than I've seen elsewhere. So what?! Should I roast him for that? I gave him some suggestions when I thought I had some.
He's sure helping the world a lot more than most of these angry people who sit at home and do nothing.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:38 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the comment. Yep, after a few years writing on the internet you learn that you can't please everyone :).
The name "Better Explained" is because if something is confusing, we should look for a better explanation [whether my site or somewhere else]. The back button is always there, and I don't want people wasting time if it's not working!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As a giant failure who basically skipped college out of an irrational fear of math caused by dumbass public schools, I would like you to know that YOU'RE TOO LATE :(
For reals though, those articles are awesome. Can't wait to see the rest.
Just kidding, I still have no idea what any of this means.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, no worries, pick and choose what makes sense.
One thing though, it's never too late. Sounds trite, I know, but most concepts are difficult because we're looking at them wrong, not because they're intrinsically hard to understand. (Some are, sure, but not everything.)
mr_huh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's never too late. 15 years ago I barely made it into art school after passing a college level algebra class. Thought I was bad at math. Then the Internet happened and sites like https://www.khanacademy.org and now http://betterexplained.com/ are helping me to learn that I'm actually quite good at math. It only requires patience and methodical effort and practice.
shawndw ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:44:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll check it out when the rest of reddit isn't ddosing it -_-
gavers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now works...
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Had to recalibrate the phase inhibitors but it's back online :).
ReverseCold ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HOW TO DDOS A WEBSITE:
Post to reddit.
Get frontpage.
Wait
Dr_Rylai ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:21:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It's back up! And the explanations are really eye opening.
Take a look at this for example.
super__nova ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:33:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Still down for me
rmev ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:52:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Even in the future is still down.
EDIT: Now is working.
pb_zeppelin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just when I think I'm out they drag me back in! The site is getting 100x the normal traffic and I'll be holding off the zombie hordes with a candle, banana and shoelace.
Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/3xtfru/a_website_that_explains_maths_concepts_in_very/cy7s1sc for cached links to the top articles
devperez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto.
inajeep ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:55:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Down for me but even the Error 544 is explained very well!
tcc2025 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:56 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Literally had no idea what "e" was til I watched that video. I remember punching it into formulas in college but had no idea what it actually meant. Interesting stuff.
imjusta_bill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We killed it again
AsInOptimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap. All.fucking.semester during my tutoring sessions, I'd see e and start to mildly hyperventilate. (I saved the heavier hyperventilation for exams.) My tutor would tell me calm down and reassure me that it was only a number - but that didn't make it any easier for me to comprehend. So then I'd start mumbling to myself, "It's only a number, it's only a number." That didn't work either.
Thank you for this site!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, glad it's helping! e is one of my favorite topics.
perskes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't cloudflare prevent that?
pb_zeppelin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought so too!
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's cloudfare?
ReverseCold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
Whispel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jar, classic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the power of Redditors clamouring to visit a front-paged website.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any cross links?
Orangutan_Tittiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the top comment. Many usefull math links.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 13:42:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did it get the reddit hug?
larivact ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:52:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Affirmative.
cockerspanielhere ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:58:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Reddit hug of death.
yes_its_him ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 13:14:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The explanations are more intuitive if you already understand them to begin with.
If you didn't understand trig identities and the law of cosines before diving in to these, I'm not thinking you would get it from these descriptions any more effectively than any other technique.
That said, these illustration are enlightening for those already familiar with the topics.
BasicDesignAdvice ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 13:49:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I was learning trig and calculus reddit pointed me to this site. I spent ten minutes here and went back to Khan. Coming back now (after getting an A in calc II) this site is more interesting to me, but it did not help me learn.
This site is no better than a textbook, because it is a textbook.
dontknowmeatall ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:21:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's still a better textbook than others. The main problem with STEM textbooks, and textbooks in general, is that they are written by experts, not by writers. An expert knows the information, but they often don't know how to convey it to someone unfamiliar with the concepts. A writer's job is to understand the perspective of the readers and make them understand and enjoy what they are reading, or else s/he's a bad writer. This is where the success of the For Dummies collection comes from: the authors are writers who care about the people without basic knowledge.
pb_zeppelin ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:01:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. They call this the "Curse of Knowledge" and it's really, really hard to remember what it's like to not know something. Can you look at printed text and not read it? Can you see it as just a bunch of squiggles?
My approach is to write down an explanation as soon as it clicks. So I still remember what it was like to be a beginner. If you try to explain something years later, all the gotchas and issues you felt are long forgotten.
lucasvb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's my approach too. It helps that I'm still in the process of learning a lot of things.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, exactly. I think capturing things right as you have the aha! moment gives the lesson an authentic voice.
Just sent you an email, would love to kick around some ideas.
RobertJacobson ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:43:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am both an expert and a writer. I feel that most people who criticize math books and teachers for being "overly complicated" are frustrated not because the exposition is unclear or written from a perspective disconnected from "real life" or how undergrads think but rather because the exposition is technically accurate. Mathematics IS hard, and the tiny little details DO matter. Authors who pretend that every function is continuous (or analytic!) are doing students no favors. Emphasizing continuous functions to serve a pedagogical purpose is one thing, but to say that "most real world functions are continuous" is just ignorant, completely incorrect, and sets the student up for confusion farther down the line.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:51:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. I hold the opinion that a significant part of what I got out of a math degree was how to learn math, and how to read a math text. Now I "read" math texts by often spending a large amount of time on one paragraph or page, mulling on it, working things out with pen and paper, proving results for myself (it really triggers a different kind of learning, hence all of the "left as an exercise for the reader")
katarh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't the textbook's fault all the time. My honors calc professor frankly had no business teaching anything. He'd fill the board with a function, not get the answer he was expecting, and then go "no no that's not right" and erase half of it. It wasted all of our time. That sort of trial and error work is great when you're doing equations on your own time, but if you're trying to explain it to others who aren't as familiar with the topic as you are, it can be absolutely destructive.
0polymer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, continuity could intuitively hold me up till measure theory. If you are not teaching to engineers, a more conceptual approach might be useful.
It's hard to say though, I think the importance of technical understanding comes from living in a technical universe. You can't program a computer in a conceptual way.
RobertJacobson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you are teaching engineers-perhaps especially if you are teaching engineers-students need to know that not every function is continuous. Engineers are so afraid of discontinuous functions that they pretend the square wave is continuous and graph it as such. And then we are confused at why they can't grasp the Gibbs phenomenon? Uh, maybe it's because we've insisted on treating them like children in our engineering math classes.
0polymer0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with high expectations for engineers (and scientists!) What I'm more mixed on is what high school Calc should be about.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there is definitely room for debate about that! I like to describe the calc sequence as a first introduction to applied mathematics. (Students get the pure math version of calculus in real analysis.)
romancity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:30 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Very few people who take math, even calculus, have to worry about continuous/analytic issues.
Let them do piecewise differentiable and that's good enough.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:43 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is a very ignorant and incorrect thing to say. Anyone who needs calculus needs to know what continuity is. You can't do calculus without it. At least twenty percent of the typical first semester calculus course wouldn't even be intelligible.
And good grief, we're not talking about ฮต-ฮด proofs involving images of convergent sequences here. Wave your hands with the definition of the limit of a function at a point and define continuity in terms of limits. Continuity is absolutely trivial at the calc 1 level. There is just no excuse for first semester calc students understanding that a function that is unbounded, that oscillates, or that has a gap at a point is not continuous.
null_work ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:21:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is all wrong. Textbooks don't exist to be an enjoyable read. They exist to confer technical information about something. Mathematics is extremely technical, and the more you try to dumb it down, the less actual information about the subject you convey to others. It's not a fault of STEM textbooks and how they present their information, it's a fault of people studying STEM subjects not taking the time to fully understand the topic presented to them. If you have trouble understanding something from a textbook the first time you read it, that's not the fault of the book. It means you need to spend more time to understand the concept. People think they should just cruise through college, and understanding STEM should be fun and easy for everyone! But that's a load of horseshit. STEM subjects are complicated and require work and effort to understand them. You are doing nobody any favors by watering down the subject material they're supposed to be learning.
Nazi_Ganesh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:25 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is a midway from your point and the point of the other user who completely disagrees with you.
I've seen so many students who think just registering for a class entitles them to pass the class AND get an A. On the other end, some professors and books makes things unnecessarily complicated. Hence, why we have certain books who rise to be the standard for a particular topic. (Like Griffiths for undergrad E&M.)
I do believe our "knowledge transfer" systems are in a psuedo equilibrium. Meaning that it seems like what we have is the "best we can do" groove. But with a bit more education research, money, time, stubborn professors/educators willing to change, and new technology mediums, I think we are on the verge of modifying our concept of education and how it is received/given.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Text books ARE teaching aids, they . are . there . to . teach . Ffs, now if they don't help to teach a subject then they aren't very good are they! and that IS the fault of the author and text book! Your snobby attitude is everything thats wrong with teaching engineering and why good engineers so often make lousy teachers "oh its not that im a terrible teacher its just that the students just aren't trying hard enough! "
Fuck it why end it at just shitty explanations, if you really believe engineering should be taught in as needlessly complex a way as humanly possible then lets write all our text books in latin brail then force students to read them on a running rollercaster while under gunfire, if they don't pick up the concepts they need to understand well then clearly they just aren't trying hard enough!
null_work ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not my fault if you're in over your head in a subject you probably shouldn't be learning. A textbook gives the technical details of a subject. It has all the information you need to learn the subject, and if you're incapable of that, you should have tried harder in high school to learn how to learn. People don't hold your hand in the real world or in actual academic research, and all you're advocating for is to have yourself coddled through a degree.
Edit: Seriously, what the fuck are you going to do when your work requires reading a publication? Are you going to go ask for help? Try to get someone "who's a real teacher" to explain to you what's written in the publication?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've read a lot of math texts, some more expository than others, and there is a middle-ground, where the exposition feeds the information. Math is a language, after all. Would you prefer folks start at Principia Mathematica? No hand-holding there!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You offer lessons in reading the publication, in working with engineering documents in general ffs, you are in your degree to learn, it's not a multi year interview, it's there to teach you the lessons you need and to provide you with the skills you require to succeed in an engineering environment, not to test if you already have them!!
No one will hold your hand in the real world and so you have to prepare people for it, if your methods aren't preparing people then simply put you are a bad teacher.
null_work ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's high school, friend. What we're doing to our education system is a joke. We expect to be babysat until we get a piece of paper saying someone should pay us a bunch of money to be ineffectual, rather than actually learning things when we should be learning things. Seriously, if a textbook is too technical for you to learn from by the time you're in college, you don't belong there.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:03 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What you are describing is secondary education, not higher education. In college we expect that you already know how to learn, and it's your responsibility to seek out ways of correcting whatever deficits you have in your ability to learn. Professors are just tour guides of your ignorance and direct you to material you need to learn to overcome your ignorance. It is your responsibility to do the actual learning, not the profs.
ranciddan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:19 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have had issues with the wording used in textbooks. There was no clarity on words with ambiguous meaning and that made it harder to understand the concepts. I am talking about subjects like probability. Just because a textbook exists doesn't mean everyone needs to/will understand it. If that was the case, new textbooks wouldn't sell and everyone would just read the foundational papers to understand the subject. And most of the time when I've understood the concepts I was having difficulty grasping it was actually simple and the complexity was caused by the author's attitude of not expositing without ego. Or lacking much intuition. Yeah, we get authors want their text to be concise but a lot of times just pointing to the background needed to understand something would help. I am not talking about even dumbing it down. I am ranting but I feel the quality of writing can be improved. If you're just gonna write at the level of your current understanding then it will be a hit and miss with some students.
If you've understood your textbook on the first try, good for you. But some people may need more intuitive explanations before getting something fully.
YupYouMadAndDownvote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:33 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I'd LOVE for a site where they use sports analogies to explain math. Or just SOMETHING interesting.
digking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Very true! After reading through imaginary number i, a+bi ...... blah blah blah, I couldn't get half of the contents through my brain.
I think I can only get it like "Ah ahhh!" if I actually do several math exercises in a math textbook.
ILOVELEARNINGNEWSHIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I studied math as an undergrad, learned the stuff, am able to use it, but I don't fully understand a lot of it. As a programmer, I've come to intuit a lot of discrete math, sets and relations, stats, etc. A lot of calc/differential equations stuff is still black magic to me. If I ran into a hard calc problem IRL at work, I could break out a book and work through a problem, but it would take me a long time (relative to someone who is really good at calculus) to be sure I got it right. What these explanations do is give a more intuitive understanding of the concepts which makes solving applied problems A LOT easier.
WhatTheFro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
stfu nerd
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ReverseCold ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:06:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
:D
petgreg ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 12:08:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good title, but I didn't find any of the explanations more intuitive than a normal textbook...
BasicDesignAdvice ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 13:46:46 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This site is a textbook. Any page is a huge wall of text. People love Khan Academy because you can actually watch Sal do the problems in real time. That is infinitely more helpful to me.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:55:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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BasicDesignAdvice ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:00:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you buddy. I once got an email saying I was in the top 5% of users worldwide. I was a D math student in high school. Recently passed calc II with 95 average.
alexdoes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:16:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ka only thing that got me through diff eq
YupYouMadAndDownvote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:57 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow this post just inspired me. I really need to check this site out.
testiclelice ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:37:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kahn is a great all around resource. The single best lecturer I've even seen anywhere is Professor Leonard on Youtube. Best Calc. teacher I've ever seen.
adityapstar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Leonard's youtube channel was only for frozen pizza reviews?
lowspark13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Leonard
Vdubster4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I second this. The guy really cares that he presents every step clearly and no student is left behind in an explanation. He is amazing. If only every teacher took their job that serious.
abuudabuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was my prof, from Calc 1-3 (Well it was actually Math for Economics but they're considered analogous at my Uni). His explanations are always clear and he shows every step even when it feels kind of obvious, since in a class that big there's a chance at least one person probably didn't get it
plissken627 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:13 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful prof
testiclelice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The instruction or the professors looks?
plissken627 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Both!
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:59:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I did: http://betterexplained.com/articles/an-intuitive-guide-to-exponential-functions-e/ Now I understand why (1+1/x)x=e when xโโ.
edit Also, please define "normal textbook" and how everyone could get their hands on it. This site isn't exactly for everyone, but if you saw what textbooks we had in highschool in my country, you'd laugh your ass off.
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sadECEmajor ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:46:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
*e
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 13:57:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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Eerie_Beard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It would be neat to see how the number e for which ex has a derivative equal to itself would intuitively make x = rate * time.
ligirl ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 12:38:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the one on the cross product? That was a whole new way of thinking about it for me. I'm not sure if I'll remember it tomorrow (or even in three hours) but it's not all stuff I've found elsewhere.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:03:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much how they explained it at my uni.
ligirl ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:09:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My lin alg prof was dreadful, so I'm glad at least some people were taught beyond just the formula for calculating it.
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:21:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have a math minor, let me just say you aren't the only one that struggled with teachers that thought writing formula's on the board was teaching....
dontknowmeatall ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:38:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths teachers are usually trained as maths experts, not as teachers. This is the main problem with higher education: the people teaching (professors, textbook writers, etc) don't know how to teach, and the people who know how to teach don't know the subjects. Our system refuses to acknowledge the difference between knowing stuff and knowing how to teach stuff.
Iwasborninafactory_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are also missing the point that at the college/university level, the students are expected to be better learners, and carry more responsibility for learning.
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well when you show up the day after a test and the teacher goes "everyone failed that test...wellp you better figure it out before the next test!" and moves on to the next stuff as if EVERYONE failing couldn't even be his fault a little, there's only so much you can do on your own.
The worst part is that instead of trying to thoroughly teach stuff he would try to cover more than any other teacher in the college by a lot, and it usually ended in only the most hardcore study addicts learning anything at all.
I learned a lot in my first semester, then that teacher got hired at a better college and I got left with this guy I'm describing the rest of my 4 years there.
RobertJacobson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:57:58 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So you never did fix it?
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:14 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fix what?
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:56 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your teacher told you to figure it out before the next test. In other words, he was telling you to fix whatever it was that was keeping you from doing well. But from your post it sounds like you expected HIM to do something. So my question is, did you fix it? Did you attend his office hours? Go to the tutoring center or tutorial sessions? Watch YouTube videos? Read the textbook? Study with your classmates? Did you fix it or did you just continue to struggle through the rest of the course?
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:05 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Asking him for help with anything would be suicide. He's the type of teacher that will mock you in class because whatever school you went through was obviously taught by idiots if he deems your question to be stupid. All of the learning I did in his class was from the books, if I didnt study the books like a madman I wouldn't have passed any of his classes. Anyone that has taken his classes before would warn you against it, but since it wasn't too big of a school there were a lot of classes that only he taught. But yes, we had regular study groups, and i went to any resource possible to help understand any class i was in for him. And yes we did expect him to try to re-explain things because obviously whatever he said before didn't help anyone, but he really didn't care if everyone failed.
Low_discrepancy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. If you're studying maths at a university, nobody will spoon feed you. You have to attack the concepts by yourself.
Nic3GreenNachos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can't be more correct. The cost to reconcile the two is far too high for those in positions to do that. Also, even teachers who go to school to Lear how to teach, they are often not good teachers either. Teaching is far less about the methods and more about the personality of the teacher. Well, at least from my experience.
null_work ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem is the expectation we have for attending college. If you study a subject in college, you should be able to do so such that you're capable of understanding the material presented how experts would get it. If a mathematician reads a publication and wants to understand it, they don't run out and expect someone to hold their hand and teach it to them. When you're in college, you should be able to take a textbook that's presented in a formal manner and work to understand it. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't be studying in college. The problem is, we've essentially made college a requirement for many, many people who shouldn't be there. What you see is people who don't want to take the time to understand something, who want to just have a good time and essentially get a watered down version of the material. Having a Bachelor's degree essentially serve the same function as a high school diploma did completely ruins the academic environment. You shouldn't be in college learning from "people who know how to teach." You should absolutely be in college learning from experts.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:36 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think far too much blame is placed on the students. Their expectations are completely off because we have obliterated primary and secondary education in the U.S. We not only haven't prepared them but have also taught them that learning math is something very different from what learning math really is. They get to college and both don't know jack AND don't know how to learn jack. But I really think they could be so much more successful if the American primary and secondary education system wasn't so miserably broken.
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, people that can't memorize 10-20 different mathematical formula's and write them down word for word on a test should stay their asses at home, they have no business at college, where apparently you have to memorize formula's even though in this age of technology I can google it and get results in a minute. I spent days trying to get formulas memorized just right because even if I could use them if I couldn't write them down exactly on that paper i would miss like half the points on the test.
Note, I never failed a class, but I retained absolutely nothing from the bad teachers I had.
null_work ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you think college mathematics is about memorizing formulas, it's no wonder you struggled in classes.
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because you were in class with me right? Writing these formulas down that were like 3 lines long each was part of my tests. Formulas of nonsense I will never need again I had to memorize else 1/3 of my grade went out the window
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, time constraints can be an issue. Which is faster, learning the formula, or learning the proof for the formula? Both allow you to solve the problems given.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:08 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If we replace proof, which is a formal concept generally minimized or ignored entirely until upper level math classes, with the reasons for why things work, which should be a part of every math class at every level, then no, they don't both allow you to solve the problems given. This is one of the facts of learning math that I struggle to communicate to my students. I explain to them that I am not teaching them how to solve every question type they will see having to do with the material but rather how to think about the mathematical relationships in a way that will allow them to come up with solutions to any problem type. I tell them that I am not teaching them what they need to know in order not to be confused; rather I am training them how to behave when they inevitably are confused. I like to say, "The natural state of a mathematician is confusion! I spend most of my research time completely flummoxed."
But I really don't think my students believe me. It's hard to undo 12 years of being told that math is merely a collection of algorithms to memorize.
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:54 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting approach. Does that mean you put unexpected, original problems in the tests and final?
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:34 on December 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope none of the questions are unexpected, but some of them are different in type from what the students have seen before, yes. My philosophy of testing is that the student should learn something from the exam.
However, the final exam is different. The final consists of very straightforward, standard problems like one would find in most standard textbooks. The reason is that the students do not have an opportunity to review and correct their mistakes on the final exam. It's just a summative assessment instrument and nothing else.
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was a teacher that would try to cover way more than any other teacher in the university btw, he had plenty of time but refused to use it to TEACH.
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, if I'm just after a good grade in something like Precalc, simply memorizing formulas takes a lot less time than learning how to prove every one of them, and still allows me to get a good grade.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:54 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It shouldn't. But even if it does, how well do you think you'll do in calc 1?
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Yeah, the cross and dot products are two parts of the complete picture. When you have vectors (a, b, c) and (d, e, f) there are 9 interactions. The 3 symmetric ones are the dot, the asymmetric ones are the cross. So simple! And never shown to me this way.
petgreg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't try cross products. I'll give it a look. I checked limits and derivatives, and both were more complicated than my classes or textbooks...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was the one for me. I've been studying vector calc this year and I could do it, but I didn't really understand a lot of the underlying stuff. That article really helped
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know what textbooks you're reading, but the ones my classes require are nothing even remotely like this. Couldn't tell you what calculus even was other than a type of math before taking a look at lesson one just 5 minutes ago. Now I know what it is and what it can do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The part of calculus that students struggle the most with is the algebra. The actual calculus part of it is pretty straightforward.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is better understood in the context of physics, as that was what calculus was made to originally solve.
Taking first year physics and Calc at the same time can help with understanding the math intuitively.
DeathVoxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you taken calculus at a university level before? They tell you calculus is the study of change. Hence why the derivative is such a big deal for it. Also, there's a whole section called applications that give real world applications of calculus. I'm not the best at math, but I was able to pick that up.
JusticeBeaver13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way I can just upload this stuff to my brain so it just makes sense?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, by a process called "spending time and practice learning it."
AtomicBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what sort of textbooks you're used to. Books aimed at (pure) maths grads / undergrads often leave out the intuitive explanations, instead opting for a rigorous definition-theorem-proof style.
Maths degrees themselves are similarly formal. I understand why, but it does mean the interesting perspectives like the ones offered by this site are left out. I like reading the site to get fresh perspectives on things I know well through a more formal lens.
Pi_Ganymede ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i just scrolled through the cross product post.
if i were someone struggling to understand the cross product, that post would have left me more confused than before.
also, i'm pretty sure there is also a mistake in the notes. "a\times b" and "b\times a" dont produce two vectors with "two perpendicular directions". the directions are parallel just opposite.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 13:25:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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masterevan ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:45:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like it. All those people slamming it saying they didn't learn anything new, this isn't necessarily for you.
I'm terrible at math. I'm terrible at blindly following instructions without context. I don't just get in my car and drive, I need to know (even in general terms) what is going on under the hood.
The site may not be perfect, but this style of explanation is what I badly needed in high school.
I'm fascinated by math, but I was never allowed to EXPLORE it like this. There was no room for questioning, or analysis, just churn through the directions (as the author puts it).
Its not for everyone, but that's because we all learn differently. I wish I was taught this way, but I wasn't.
pb_zeppelin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:57:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Kalid from BetterExplained here, thanks for the comment. Really glad it clicked, and totally agree the site isn't for everyone.
My goal is to teach the way I wish I was taught, similar to a chef cooking food they'd want to eat themselves. Thai food isn't for everyone, but if you like it, I'm going to make the best damn Thai food I can.
Totally agree on the exploration aspect, I didn't get enough of that either. We're often too afraid to ask WHY things work. Appreciate the comment!
Low_discrepancy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I suggest then you start from axiomatisations and build upon that.
Whispel ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My university does not use textbooks for math and after reading the description of what we have the Johnsons! Schmidt . JONES:** No, it doesn't sync to that already https://youtu. This title is this strictly harvesting?
imseriousdonttouchme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
....huh?
Confused_Guy1234 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:07:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That guy is great! and he is a redditor lurking at /r/learnmath
lucasvb ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:01:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's /u/pb_zeppelin
pb_zeppelin ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:34:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Hey Lucas! Thanks for the mention. I love your work and have been meaning to reach out about working together :). For anyone who doesn't know, /u/lucasvb makes some of the best math animations I've ever seen.
lucasvb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, man. Might be better to link to my Wikipedia gallery instead.
I'm always up for collabs, as long as time allows. Just hit me up.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, thanks. I'll reach out. Have some collaboration ideas I think you might like. Will update the page too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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frank_the_tank69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Go back to your room, we have visitors!
Clloydio ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 13:24:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths teacher here: I'm not massively impressed. The explanations are very similar to what you see in text books on these subjects, and generally the people who can understand a topic merely by reading about it (rather than doing maths themselves) aren't going to need things jazzed up with odd metaphors.
pb_zeppelin ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:53:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Kalid from BetterExplained here. I appreciate the honest feedback, and agree the site isn't for everyone. These are a collection of the explanations and analogies that personally helped me.
Check out:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-trigonometry/
and see if it's different from your typical trig class. SOH-CAH-TOA never really clicked [just something to memorize, not understand] and finally I was able to learn the trig functions and identities without painful memorization. Turns out they are all variations of the Pythagorean Theorem and similar triangles, which I thought was pretty cool!
I share what works for me, and it's totally ok for it to not work for everyone. Appreciate the feedback!
lagsalot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for putting this out there. People are chiming in with "meh", or "it's so much simpler to think of it this way". That's the problem with learning/teaching. Everybody learns and thinks differently. With concepts, I think it is critical to have many, many different descriptions or view points. Take a box in an empty room with a single light source. The box is the concept, and it should be described from many different angles. One persons perspective might offer a better explanation that makes sense to a given group of people. Once the understanding sticks, then it's "ohhh, it's just a fucking box!", and how we reached that understanding is a moot point.
pb_zeppelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, and that's exactly it. After years of blogging you realize you can't satisfy everyone, and if you try, you're just going to make it even worse. I have this analogy of being a chef cooking Thai food.
If you like Thai food, great, I have some good eats for you! Don't like peanut sauce? Noodles? Want me to swap it out with spaghetti noodles and marinara sauce? Sorry, it's not what I do. But there's this Italian place down the street that you'll like.
It helps me realize I have to write things in my authentic voice, otherwise you please everyone/noone.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:10 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This comment hit the nail on the head. Every educator and writer needs to understand that.
I_Like_Spaghetti ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What do blondes and spaghetti have in common? They both wiggle when you eat them.
romancity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:10 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I myself really like looking at trig functions in the expanded circle/wall thing. I think wikip. does it also.
But I think it may be too complicated for most stduents.
I think trig really needs only two basic concepts. 1) sine and cosine are your vertical and horizontal components of angular movement. There are so many examples it's ridiculous. Rarely do things move exactly at right angles or along a certain scale/measurement 2) abstract this only a little. draw a triangle, show what sine and cosine were, noting they are ratios of two sides. Then mention that instead of making any other ratio complicated in terms of sin and cos (ohh, that will come soon enough), we simply call all the other ratios a new name (function).
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:28 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, it depends on the exposure / depth for the student. In my case, I had memorized the trig functions in terms of SOH-CAH-TOA and wanted to actually visualize sec / csc / cot instead of having them be yet more ratios. But for a first treatment, sine/cosine is probably enough.
zjm555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The trig function diagram is definitely a really good one. However, I think your explanations of logarithm/exponentiation and cross product are actually really confusing, and this is coming from someone who completely groks these concepts and uses them all the time. The explanation of "grower's perspective" is just really making the issue harder than it needs to be. Most people can get what exponentiation is, they understand taking something to a power and how it relates to multiplication. It seems to me the easiest way to explain the logarithm is to make them understand that it's simply the inverse operator of exponentiation.
pb_zeppelin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:13:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the feedback! Some of the explanations may be confusing, esp. if I haven't quite captured the analogy. (Super hard to express a feeling in writing.)
The problem with "inverse of exponentiation" is like describing division as "inverse of multiplication". Sure, but you've described it in terms of something else. Isn't it better to say "Division is cutting into pieces" vs. "Division is the opposite of combining pieces".
Similarly, logarithm is finding the "time needed to get to x". It made things click so much better than "undoing the exponent".
britcruise ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think about explaining exponents in terms of trees (depth of tree = exponent & # branches at each level = base). And then logarithms drop out really naturally from this structure as: the height of the tree.
I can't imagine a simpler way of doing it and nobody seems to use this idea. I get that the analogy breaks down with fractional exponents...but who cares?
zjm555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
That would be a very good explanation, assuming students can grasp the structure of a tree easily, and assuming balanced trees of a uniform arity.
That also lends itself very nicely to the example case of population growth, since it works so nicely to describe ancestry amongst generations of a population.
Clloydio ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I certainly agree with your assertion that teaching understanding is miles better than teaching by rote, and if your site is useful for some people (as the rest of the comments suggest it is) then that's great. I just don't think it would help out the students I teach particularly for the reasons I mentioned.
With regards to trigonometry: part of the problem is that it is expected (in this country) to be learnt by some students who don't have a solid grasp of the concept of ratio. The language and concepts of your trigonometry post are likely to go over the heads of the students in my classes who most struggle with trig. They may of course not be your audience: what reader age did you have in mind when you wrote of these posts?
pb_zeppelin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great question. My main goal is to be a supplement for students who are already learning the topic. Not many people randomly study math, usually it's "Man, I'm learning this concept in class, it's not working, what else can I do?".
When that happens, and you search online, you usually get a super-technical Wikipedia article which is more of the same (Trig is the study of triangles, SOH-CAH-TOA, etc.). My philosophy is "Hey, you already had the textbook, it didn't help, here's another approach." Ideally with visuals or analogies that truly helped me.
The basic audience is high-school / college students who're learning a concept and need another take. Teachers sometimes use the articles as a handout or preface for their lesson. Definitely not meant to be a replacement for a lesson though.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ask some high school math teachers whether they think "memorization" is the right way to learn trigonometry. 99% of the time they try like hell to teach the concepts, then fall back on mnemonics when the STUDENTS complain they don't get it and don't have any grasp of the difference between tangent and sine.
And from a basic business perspective, insulting your competition isn't smart.
WorkingReddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But learning in a classroom is a hell of a lot different than individual learning. Of course kids only want the easiest forms to regurgitate on the exam, however if they actually wanted to learn, this is a much better option.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a weird way of putting it? You need to understand a topic before you can do the problems. (Of course, this is easier when you have a teacher you can ask questions.)
Clloydio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Take pi and circles for example: I've much more success with lower ability groups when approaching this as an investigation (draw circle, measure their circumferences etc.) than instructing or giving notes or the like.
DeltaPositionReady ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:02:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bayesian Probability is not something I naturally grasped but required to learn for Machine Learning. This site helped quite a bit in visualization. But you're correct, mathematics isn't always hard because of its complexity, it can be hard because it may rely on intangible integers or being able to visualise something that is not based in reality.
What I would really love to see from a site is how mathematics are applied in reality. Like the show Numb3rs but in a more info graphics manner like this channel:
https://youtu.be/JhHMJCUmq28
TheDreadPill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then why is common core math such utter shit?
null_work ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:34:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because you haven't taken the time to think about what they're teaching, and the teachers themselves probably don't fully understand it. Common core is considerably more effective if it's taught well.
Anewuserappeared ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So true. I did some research into a new way to teach physics.
Some people just "get it". Some don't. Generally, if you don't get "it" you aren't going to spend much time trying to find new ways to explain "it". You'll either get your "c" and move on, or you will batten down and use the standard materials.
jama211 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A website that teaches you how to visualise textbook information to try and help people learn from books who struggle with it would be amazing.
Anewuserappeared ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You know most textbooks these days have that as well? It's partly why text books cost a lot.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Anewuserappeared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
That's ok. I'm a successful do-er. You go on with your "can't" Ing.
Edit. Just read your posts. Thought you were a freshly gradded high school teacher before. My bad. I now figure your an undergrad math/physics major with a c+ average. Good luck with that. I'm sure your opinion will matter tons in your life.
lostintransactions ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:18:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think we found that teacher. The one that doesn't go out of his way to help anyone who struggles.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:02:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Student here: you're full of shit. We don't see it that way at all because we don't know the subject yet. You may see it,but how could we see it without knowing the material?
DamnShadowbans ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:09:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Random person here: I'm gonna say something needlessly aggressive
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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lostintransactions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Another random person here: we are all full of shit. Even after you take a dump there is still a little left.
Flagrant_Fowl_ ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:52:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math teacher. Not impressed. You can find the same stuff in a text book. Those that can understand a text book wont need this website to help them learn.
Wow, thanks for the input! Now let's hear your opinion on ratemyprofessor.com
Clloydio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
None of my students have put me on it. :(
xkaiju ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
you may want to reconsider your career choice
ksmoke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:02:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't help but think of this: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3892
Mushroomlad75 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:49:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing, am now going to go learn math
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy. ๐
lavenuma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:52:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think we crashed the website.
powelton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hug of death?
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It means that the webpage has been crashed due to many Reddit requests.
Dan479 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing on differential equations, too bad.
pb_zeppelin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:18:10 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing finalized, it's an article in progress, I have a bunch of notes here: http://aha.betterexplained.com/t/differential-equations/1065
My analogy: Imagine you're a football coach. You have your playbook, and run play #13 (The Banana Fanana Shuffle). It has a bunch of instructions like:
"Receiver X, run forward as fast as you can."
"Blocker Y, stay 2 feet to the left of X."
"Quarterback Z, run to the left and throw it to X after 5 seconds."
Question: Where is everyone 1 second into the play? 10 seconds? A minute?
That's what "solving" a differential equation means. You are given the play to run, and need to figure out where everyone actually is as the game marches forward.
For simple plays, it's easy (linear systems), but if the parts start interacting (X follows Y, Y follows Z, Z runs towards X) it starts getting super complex. So, you model it with computers. However, small errors lead to huge divergences in outcomes (Chaos Theory) so the models are only so good. You can model a few seconds into a play, but maybe not a full minute.
Realistically we'll solve most things by computer but it's good to know how simple systems behave.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe feedback him.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, just left a comment. And really appreciate the reddit submission, it means a lot!
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. ๐
Denziloe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Derivative.
0110100001101000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing PR by /u/pb_zeppelin in this thread.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, thanks. Always happy to reply to people who are finding the site useful. (And the others too, but not necessarily as happy :-)).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math professor here - interesting site. I broadly agree that it's hit or miss and not every explanation is perfectly suited to everyone, but if students want a "typical" explanation there's already a plethora of textbooks they can choose from, and websites they can consult. In order to be sensitive to different learning styles you have to find different ways of explaining different concepts, and this website helps us do that. So, good work.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I started the site to supplement existing lessons, that's exactly the goal. (There's dozens/hundreds of existing books.) Glad the approach made sense.
flexiverse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You don't count mate. People like you are the problem in the first place.
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flexiverse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:10 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You'll never in a million years create an intuitive way to explain a maths issue and put it out there. You think it's already covered in textbooks and websites.
Your statements like " you have to be sensitive to different learning styles..."
What? People like you come out of the wood work claiming to be educators when young people like Kahn academy and better explained do a better job explaining it properly in the first place!
Yeah, keep going out patting people on the back saying "good work" when you can't even see why sites like better explained exist in the first place.
They happen because people like you aren't explaining it well in the first place you idiot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:43 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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flexiverse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:14:28 on December 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You simply can't handle the truth. All you've got it being a grammar nazi, and that's nothing. Since I've to not even got 1% of my attention here, I'm doing this on the iPad while playing live chess and watching TV you idiot.
The fact that Kahn academy has been a huge influence tells me everything. Being Asian we get it.
People like you, so called educaters will be redundant soon enough. There are more students with higher grades in the east and Asia than America.
Of course you'll never understand why. You think it's a fucking coincidence that I'm Asian, so is khan academy and so is better explained?
yogononium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I'd found out about this earlier then the day of my Calc final! Thank you though for creating this, /u/pb_zeppelin
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awsome, thanks! Haha, the articles on the site are what I wish I could have told myself if I went back in time.
yogononium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding! I'm 29 and back in college, taking math. I have had this feeling all semester like there would be a way to pack a TON more information and understanding into the education than has been the case in my class. I like the multidimensional approach you're taking and that ADEPT acronym sounds great!
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:33 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, hope it helps. It's basically a mental checklist I use to make sure I'm not missing something that can help me understand it better. If I'm learning a concept and there's no plain-english description, or no diagram of what it does, I know I'm missing something.
AsInOptimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, good luck from another non-traditional student!
(I failed calculus this semester, it is my ardent wish that you don't share the same fate!)
yogononium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:28 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! :( unfortunately (I just finished the final) I think it is possible I will fail!!!! Will have been the first class ever I've failed. I think that's positive in a way, I wanted to challenge myself. Just another milestone in life. It is interesting being a bit older than these kids. I feel like I would learn the material better in a different way because of the way in which I've discovered I like to think about things. What are you studying?
AsInOptimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bio, at a school that's a major research facility. It's pretty hardcore, which I am decidedly not. Physics is required for the major, and I need calculus to take physics. So my graduation date is looking like 2024 at this point.
I see these kids half my age - literally half my age - who are pre-med and beyond stressed. But they all seem to handle it better than I do, and with much lighter backpacks.
And now I can hang with them even longer! Haha. But I do like school, even at my advanced age. Maybe we could be study buddies next semester! :p
bunkpit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for this. Really. I've bought several math books, tried various apps and used khan academy. I always have a the question "why?" in the back of my head when studying math. There's many resources for "how", but that only goes so far for me.
QuietFalls ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:08:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've always found if interesting that the British say "maths" whereas in the U.S. we say "math."
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. There are a lot of instances of these type of things.
Ps. I am an Indian btw.
yottskry ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there are lots of instances where the Yanks get it wrong.
thegreatburner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We dont add extra letters to shit. It is more efficient that way.
noahsonreddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:19 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right. We have live more exciting and action packed lives; we don't have time for extra letters (maths, colour). Shit even autocorrect is telling me I got those wrong :P
null_work ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or you mean we're actually consistent with how we abbreviate things.
SudokuNagasaki ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and they could care less.
Onetap1 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you say mathematic or mathematics?
skullturf ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:44:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you abbreviate "economics" as "econs"? Do you abbreviate "politics" as "pols"?
It's fine if you prefer "maths" because that's what you grew up with. But how we abbreviate things is ultimately arbitrary. The fact is that "maths" isn't inherently any more logical than "math". It's just that one abbreviation happened to catch on in Britain and the other happened to catch on in the US.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Exactly.
As an American fan of British (and many other country's) media and culture, I love these differences, and find it frustrating when people use them as excuses to further dislike and disrespect each other's cultures.
It's such a typical and constant pattern. Americans (online, in text) typically assume the person is a dumb American saying something incorrectly, because we're typically insular, being surrounded by nothing but ourselves and having to go way out of our way to get beyond the "wall of freedom" standing between us and non-American media, and then Europeans are inevitably drawn to the apparent conclusion that American stereotypes are, on the whole, fairly accurate, and the divide grows ever further.
The truth is, Americans are no more smart or stupid than anyone else, but our presentation of culture is typically focused on appealing to the most "simple" and unintelligent. Being "simple folk" is even seen as a virtue in many states to this day. There are simple folk everywhere, but here they're exploited for consumerist and corporate purposes.
Onetap1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Err, no. You say it whatever way you want, in this case the British abbreviation seems more logical to me. Math is a word, albeit archaic, with a wholly different meaning.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused; in what way is this a response to what I said?
Onetap1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a response in that no-one is using your pronunciation of 'math' as "... excuses to further dislike and disrespect each other's cultures" or stereotyping Americans as stupid or simple folk.
It's different. 'Maths' is a more logical term IMHO; math just grates on my ear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually more talking about Americans, being that that's what I am and what I see more often. Several Americans have implied that OP is dumb in this thread for that reason alone; but yes, it does go both ways and these are examples of how it perpetuates.
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't abbreviate them. Bicycles; bikes.
Perambulators: prams
Omnibuses: buses.
I can't think of any better examples and they're not very good. Dropping the -s seems odd and it sounds odd.
Math is/was a word with a different meaning that survives mostly as 'aftermath'.
skullturf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To you, because you didn't grow up with it.
Dropping the -s sounds normal to me, because I grew up with it.
"Mathematics" isn't actually a plural, despite appearances. We don't say "one mathematic" and "two mathematics".
Face it, "maths" is not inherently more logical than "math". It's just what you're used to. It's just a historical accident that one abbreviation became popular in one place, and the other abbreviation became popular in the other place. Neither is intrinsically wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:45 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Onetap1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:49 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm certain I'm not related to you.
thinkt4nk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But math is an abbreviation and mathematics isn't plural.
Onetap1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math is a word, meaning the stubble of a mown crop, as in aftermath.
Mathematics probably was a plural, since it incorporates numerous separate disciplines.
thinkt4nk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:32 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
LOL probably? No, it wasn't.
Onetap1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To confirm that, it is. Go and search for the word "mathematic" in the catalogue of a library that keeps old books. Mathematic was and is used as a singular noun and an adjective.
LOL to you, half-wit, ill-mannered, septic cretin boy.
skullturf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:49 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The word "mathematic" isn't used any more.
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The question was whether mathematic had ever been used as the singular form of mathematics. A search of the British Library catalogue lists 2600 texts, ancient and modern, with 'mathematic' in the title. It was used and it is used, although not by me.
skullturf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:43 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can you find me a recent example that uses "mathematic"?
Onetap1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:17:47 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lots, go and look if you're that interested, e.g. Mathematic of Physics, 1984ish I think.
skullturf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I did a quick Google search and I can't easily find an accurately typed reference to any recent work called "Mathematic of Physics" written by a native speaker of English.
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:02 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have told you where to find it listed: British Library, on-line catalogue. If you can dismiss that one random example, don't get bsck to me until you've dismissed all the other 2600 listings.
skullturf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:40 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I looked in the British Library online catalog, and I found "Mathematic of Physics" by J.H. Avery, but that appears to be a typo, because I also found this on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Physics-MICHAEL-NELKON-AVERY/dp/0435680455
Onetap1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:20 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the other 2600?
skullturf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:23 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see 2600 occurrences of the word "mathematic". Can you share your link with me?
To clarify: I don't think any native speakers of English today use the word "mathematic".
Onetap1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:54 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't find the answer you want to the question, so you change the question.
The question was whether 'mathematic' had been used. It was, the singular has dropped out of common usage.
skullturf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:21 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I never changed the question.
I never claimed that "mathematic" was never used. Someone else made that claim. I didn't.
I claimed that nobody uses "mathematic" any more.
thinkt4nk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:20 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I sense a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of jimmies suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly rustled.
I guess that dismissing an argument built atop a "probable" premise as unsound makes me half-witted and ill-mannered. You still haven't actually provided any evidence. Instead, the vagueness of your direction ("go find a library with old books") leads me to believe that you didn't actually consult any real source since you asserted your initial, "probable" argument.
Onetap1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
British Library, on-line catalogue, 2600 examples from 1487 onwards.
You have libraries? You need to put down the laughing juice.
lupuscapabilis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The word mathematics is generally accepted as a SINGULAR word. The 's' at the end is somewhat deceptive. So you should leave it off when abbreviating.
Alldaylikemoneymay ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:39:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Misleading title.
spartanspandex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:06:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.. I was expecting to be amazed by something. I was not.
Let's learn addition in a different way, guys! The old 1+1 conundrum. Now let's imagine each 1 is a giant gorilla....
Just because you think about things differently doesn't mean it's good. Wise up chaps, this is not a website deserving of this subreddit. It's actually kind of meh. Try /r/theinternetisactuallykindastock
Worshy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't look at the more elementary topics, but I can say that the article on Fourier transforms definitely helped my understanding.
hughgeffenkoch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conveniently posted AFTER finals. เฒ _เฒ
RobertJacobson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math professor here. Some of those explanations make me cringe because they perpetuate engineering "math" that's just plain wrong. Most of those explanations are more or less what any decent teacher will do in the classroom.
BUT despite these criticism, the bottom line is that anything that helps my students learn better than they otherwise would is a good thing. I can see myself sharing a resource like this with my students, perhaps with a caveat that I have significant philosophical differences with the author that my students won't really care about.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Best comment.
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
(Kalid from BetterExplained here.) Thanks for the honest feedback!
I agree, the site is best as a supplement and shouldn't be taken as the authoritative take on a topic. If there's a single analogy or diagram in an article that's useful I'm happy. The entire site is Creative Commons so pick and choose anything that works.
RobertJacobson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:00 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Every resource has its pros and cons, and different students will respond better to different materials and presentations. I do appreciate the craftsmanship you put into your content.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:50 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, much appreciated.
ranciddan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:13 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you recommend any resources you prefer?
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:43 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The resources that many other people in this thread have already mentioned are good. I push Khan Academy in my classes, and I tend to send my students links to Khan Academy videos, but there are a couple of places in the calc sequence where I send them a video of a complete lecture so they can digest the material at their leisure. I have only used online videos as a completely optional resource for my students. I have not used free online stuff that isn't video based in my classes, because my experience has been that students will never ever read. They'll look at their notes perhaps, and if they can't get the homework then they'll find a classmate or a tutor to explain it. At my institution we have a very available and accessible tutoring center.
plasticenewitch ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:33:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you very much. I am a homeschooling mom and will incorporate these explanations into our lessons.
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:54 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What grade are you working with?
plasticenewitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:27 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Son is 12; we are working a mixture of 7th through 12th grade curriculum. This bright kid really keeps me on my toes. :)
RobertJacobson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:37 on December 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your son might really like Vi Hart. I'm an old guy, and I love Vi Hart. Numberphile is also super good. Both of those channels are more like Bill Nye than a math class.
For videos that teach specific math skills, my go-to is Khan Academy. Their videos are just the right length and have a very high quality of instruction. The website includes lots of other helpful features and has stuff for many other subjects besides math. This website is best used as a supplement rather than as a way to learn something for the first time, partly because it's very heavy on working example problems on a digital chalk board.
For introducing a topic for the first time to a younger audience, I think MyWhyU is excellent. The production quality is top notch, the coverage is good, and the explanations are very understandable. I don't teach this age, so I haven't used these videos personally. MyWhyU covers pre-algebra and algebra. MathAntics is similarly high quality but has fewer videos. Definitely worth checking out.
If you want the classroom experience, some people like YayMath. Others have mentioned, and I prefer, Professor Leonard who has excellent full length lectures covering entire semesters of high school pre algebra and algebra (though I wish the production value were higher). However, I feel that online videos are just not a good medium for watching a full class length math lecture. A better alternative in my opinion is to break the instruction down into much smaller pieces. A great example of what I am talking about is MooMoo Math. MooMoo Math's coverage of pre-college math topics is extremely goodโit's probably the most complete of any of these resources. Also, eHowEducation is very well produced with short videos and a variety of good teachers. Coverage is also excellent, but it is a total nightmare to find the right content in their sea of videos.
Once you get to calculus, a whole new world opens up for you. Again, my go-to for my own calc students is Khan Academy, but there are many good options out there. The already mentioned Professor Leonard has excellent full-length lectures covering complete semesters. Again, online videos aren't great for full-length lectures, but an online lecture every now and then can be helpful for many students. For shorter calc vids, mathff has very high production value and good instruction, but the teacher is a bit... mellow? eHowEducation also has calculus stuff (if you can find it).
plasticenewitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:14 on December 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you very much! I have printed this message and put it in my curriculum planner for future reference. I have also heard good things about MooMoo math. Right now is taking online classes with Art of Problem Soving and really loves it, but we are always looking for new ways to learn math.
Books_and_Boobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mind me asking why you homeschool?
plasticenewitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure! I have a gifted child who learns faster than the schools can teach him. He is 12 and doing advanced maths, which really keeps me on my toes even though I am quite proficient. He also studies Spanish, Latin, robotics, computer programming, grammar, composition, science, history, and literature. He is an athlete; we run, do yoga, indoor and outdoor soccer, and soccer-specific sports training, so that covers P.E.. We homeschool for academic rigor rather than religious reasons, which I think is important to point out because the stereotypical homeschooler is extremely religious.
Books_and_Boobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:26 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks so much for a really interesting reply. I'm from Australia and afaik homeschooling isn't really a thing here so I was just curious- I hope I didn't cause offence for what was a genuine inquiry
plasticenewitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:10 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your question was very respectfully worded, and I am always happy to answer questions. I correspond with several Australian homeschoolers, and yes they are very much in the minority, but from what I have heard, your educational system is better than ours, especially regarding maths and science.
Da_Jenius ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People are getting gunned down like COD out here and you wonder why a mom would want to home school? jk There's like a million reasons, sometimes the kid is involved in an activity that requires homeschool for a better fit, like gymnastics, a lot of times the parent might be a former teacher or just an involved parent and believe they can do a better job, and thinking through it they probably could in most cases because they care more than any teacher could.
Books_and_Boobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:54 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Australia and homeschooling isn't a part of our culture here. I was just curious about something that I haven't encountered
Etherduppy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! My university does not use textbooks for math and after reading one of the articles it looks like this site will be helpful to me. Bookmarked
Loomismeister ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:06:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What university? What do they use instead?
Solublex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bloody hell. Thanks OP!
Vinura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ye olde reddit hug of death strikes again.
emilynickless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have been a fan of khanacademy all along.. This one seems interesting.. will suggest this to my brother...
rjchawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hug of Death
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hug of death.
Time of Death 22:20 GMT+8, 22 DEC 2015.
MrXtraSteve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaand it's down.
A_600lb_Tunafish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a guy use this website? Cosecant understand it on his own. Hey oh.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pet the website gently, Lenny.
clockwork2112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain in an intuitive little diagram why betterexplained.com is down?
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ๐ On a serious note it's because a whole lot of people from this sub tried to access the site simultaneously resulting in server crash. So now the website is down. This phenomenon is also known as "Reddit Hug of Death"
clockwork2112 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/eDGeC7W.png
Like this?
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! How did you make this meme?
clockwork2112 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/LCfpJd0.jpg
redsplashboutique ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the site goes down!
abuudabuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Since the site was hugged to death, does it have topics from Analysis/Topology/Algebra? I'm really interested in the higher core topics.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Site is back up now.
Nuclearpolitics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is how math should be explained by default god dammit!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me realise how unclear (to me) my maths books were 40 years ago.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it can only be explained in the simplest way
Derf_Jagged ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, I could have used this for vector calculus last semester... All well, cool site! Will use in the future.
Monitor04 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The way the brain learns is through analogy. We must have a point of reference to translate the data we're looking at, this site is an excellent tool.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:17 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! Before we had writing and universal literacy, we remembered things with stories and metaphors. Just because we know how to write things down, doesn't mean we should throw away that learning technique!
lebanes666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
e and ln aren't so frightening anymore.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome!
seditiousseals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yuss. I was actually just looking for a site that would explain cross products in an intuitive way.
juanvaldez83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:17 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting so I can finally learn math!
...not now though. I'm busy...with things
muh-soggy-knee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:45 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I read the first article and I'm sure its correct because words, but it still made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe it's because I've had 3 hours sleep and I have the dumb
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:39:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A website that explains maths concepts in a needlessly complicated way.
Foxnos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at a couple of videos, not bad actually.
Cepheid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I knew how to do the maths for Fourier Transforms from University, but I didn't really intuitively understand them until I had read the article on them on that site.
mejetertresloin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I learned Fourier transforms, my prof had us hand-calculate it on a small scale, like 3 x 3. It was kind of a pain in the ass, but really locked down the concept.
testiclelice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
For those looking for some alternatives to help with their math subjects while the site gets hugged to death, I highly suggest Professor Leonard.
I found him on the /r/calculus sub if I remember correctly. He goes from Intermediate Algebra to Calculus II. Fantastic. Be warned that the videos are long, not just used to solve one problem, but his explanations are as clear as I've ever seen, so if you are struggling, he's as good as it gets.
https://www.youtube.com/user/professorleonard57/playlists
He's also jacked and pretty good looking if you are into that sort of thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you guys say "maths" plural? Kind of a weird difference in our dialects.
Speech500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths is short for Mathematics
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that actually makes more sense than us just calling it "math."
English is weird.
Speech500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but there have (as you can imagine) been lengthy debates/arguments over which spelling is better, when it doesn't really matter.
AsInOptimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read through this whole thread? Quite contentious, and the math/ maths debate is a heavy contributor.
Speech500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:25:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aluminium/Aluminum, Styrofoam/Polystyrene, Maths/Math
The idea of arguing over something like that is silly.
AsInOptimus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe some people just like to argue. So you're not wrong. ;)
For the longest time on this site, I'd read comments with phrases like, "I'd ran out of milk" or "We'd drank three bottles of vodka" or similar, and I couldn't wrap my head around it. Isn't it has/ have/ had run/ drunk/ etc? Why am I reading these eloquently composed responses, only to stumble across such blatant grammatical butchering? I didn't think people were stupid, I just didn't get it.
Then one day I was at an ice cream parlor, and when I placed my order, the English girl behind the counter let me know they'd "ran out of peach" and, suddenly, it clicked: I'm just an ignorant American.
Speech500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:37 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well 'ran out of ___' is still grammatically incorrect even in the UK, but it's a common thing in certain dialects.
TheTinyKitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:20:28 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you very much, I have dyscalculia (can't do math at all), and this is so useful!
FancherEducation ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:06:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't give up! I have it as well and have developed so many tricks and techniques to negate my disability and learn math that I've actually made a career of teaching it. I now own a tutoring service that specializes in math for kids and adults. I'm the one students call when they just can't grasp it in class, because they know that I understand their struggle better than people who are naturally gifted. After more than a decade of focus, I still can't do mental math, can be painfully slow at tests, and can't visualize concepts without a pen in hand, but I CAN do math and do it well. You can develop your skills and overcome it too.
BubblingMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to look into this when I wake up, I had some issues mixing up a few steps in some math problems.
shabadii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this! Having been a working adult for 8 years, I forgot most of the basics. Now helping my nephews in math homework is easier too.
thesquid13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing I had this when I tried to learn the same algebraic concepts 5 years in a row throughout high school and college
branch_wah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thank you
hansenpansen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:46 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is so awesome!
Thank you for sharing!
locke1718 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:28 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could have used this for quantum mechanics a couple years ago
poxydoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Solid Effort http://i.imgur.com/6qNrwBl.png
Uniacc1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheRealGordoFaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
taytay0593 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My math teacher taught us how to sing the quadratic formula to the tune of pop goes the weasel. Still know x equals negative b, plus or minus the square root of b squared minus four a c, all over 2a!
TheCadaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whelp. Two hours before my final exam and I'd thought this would be my savior when I saw the title. Never underestimate the power of the Reddit hug of death, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think we hugged it to death
Happy-feets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And...the site is down.
juche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Website is offline No cached version of this page is available. Error 522 Ray ID: 258c8ffefd2c27ec โข 2015-12-22 14:37:36 UTC Connection timed out
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit Hug of Death
not_my_comments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't celebrities just pay for it themselves?
magicfinbow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
.... And dead.
Octimus_Crime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
e and ln aren't so frightening anymore.
Tsorovar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Using metaphors and analogies to teach is always a hit and miss technique. It relies on the student understanding the analogous concept in the same way the teacher understands it, and then being able to use that understanding to understand whatever is being taught. Inevitably, a given analogy will work well with some people, while leaving others confused.
Which explains a lot of the differences of opinion in this thread.
mr_biggolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks mate that's really useful for when I do my maths in my desk.
apolloness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
TrullTull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remembering this
sarcastnick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm a Maths teacher and got so excited when I saw this come up on the front page. Click it and... dammit reddit, why do you always ruin everything?
thecompanionlesscube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saving this just in case it can help my son when he takes math next semester.
perfectlyproficient ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:04 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit just took the site down, I'll have to evaluate this thing later on.
thecompanionlesscube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:46 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The ol' hug of death.
travelsonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
IMO, what people who want to learn mathematics need is more in the way of plain English, easy, intuitive explanations regarding the underlying concepts. I have to admit, when I was taking calculus in college, took me a few tries until I had a professor who was able to explain the concepts in this fashion (simply, intuitively), and it made all the difference in the world. Went from Ds and Fs, to B+s. (Learning disabilities didn't help any either >_< )
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Now we killed it.
Rainydays5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can't really read the site since it crashed after the first page but the quote about how something is presented I'd definitely agree with.
Growing up I was always a fan of Math and hated English. As I got older I became less and less interested in Math while remaining fairly uninterested in English as well.
This changed when I started at a new school, English quickly became my favorite subject. Reason being purely down to the teacher. The whole class were always enjoying themselves, there were rarely interruptions and it was quite simply fun.
I scraped through in Math in which the teacher was fine but your typical dull boring Math teacher, while English I was able to ace a higher without much trouble. I feel I learned more in that class than I'd ever learned in English before as it was presented in the perfect fashion.
This was further emphasized in College while I was on a higher course for I.T. The first year was of course, pretty easy. Two classes that I'm going to use for this consist of a customer service class (powerpoint presentations mostly) and the other class being mostly practical work on networking.
In theory, the networking class should of been much more enjoyable but it wasn't. The generic customer service class was hilarious, the tutor kept the class laughing and engaged. Everyone passed that class first attempt with ridiculous pass marks because they were able to stay interested.
Meanwhile the tutor for the networking class wasn't as fun and various pupils used to skip the class as the tutor was a typical grumpy old man who could make literally anything boring. Should they of skipped it? No. Could he of been a better tutor? Definitely. He acted as though he didn't really want to be there and a teacher showing enthusiasm will radiate to the rest of the class.
My worst example would be my Math class in College, the only class that I've ever failed to this day. I hated the teacher. The double period of it was awful, bordering on torture. I barely showed up and failed the exam twice (yes, the resit too.) Was that my fault? Of course. However the whole class dreaded it, last thing on a Friday afternoon as well. She was always late to class and then she'd hand you a textbook and leave you to it. It was clear she was burnt out on teaching but needed the money.
If any teachers are reading this, it's on you to make your classes engaging, if your class is passing and the attendance is high it's likely due to your attitude so stick with it. You'll be liked, you'll enjoy your job more and you'll look better when those passmarks come in.
If you're burnt out on teaching then please, find something else to do. You make everyone else's life miserable for an entire year and definitely do degrade the results of your pupils.
A great teacher is rare and it's one of those jobs that really do make a difference.
Pinkiepie1170 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think Reddit hugged it to death. Error 524.
Boseph617 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm studying for the GRE and having major issues completely understanding concepts, even with a tutor. After reading the combinations and permutations article, I think this will really help grasp the concepts rather than banging my head against the table every time I get another question wrong, so thank you!
DragonToothGarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wished this existed when I was struggling through statistics or calculus and the teacher's method of teaching was to repeat and yell.
hawaiibusinessguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just leaving this here to remind myself to come back when the site is up again.
Bigswole92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math is a wonderful thing
verdaquesi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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cartri69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hugged to death :(
UtmostExplicit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saving
rogi_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
InternetisBeautiful, more like, Letskillcoolsites
inmatarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious how he'd explain Monoids and other Abstract Algebra concepts.
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:33 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't yet covered that but I'd like to do more formal math. I'm coming from a CS background so they tend to be more engineering topic so far.
wilkiag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For later
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have 0 mathematical background and I'm doing a masters in advanced computing, some of this stuff should help me. Thanks man!
knylok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be interested in poking at this once it comes back online.
should_be_writing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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pearltea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If only I had this during high school...
brettol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what this means for people like me :( I'm so happy I've found this
brettol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what this means for people like me :( I'm so happy I've found this
FaustianHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tagging.
VileTouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ok, reddit. you broke it
Mtru6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
damnnn reddit you done broeked it
triplepz2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:33 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saving for next semester :)
NonNothingNess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is an ad
zolinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saving this post to learn some stuff when I have the time
BioKhem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something like this would show up after taking a calculus 3 course and not understanding a single thing.
the--dud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I found their explanation of derivatives hugely confusing and overly complex. For me graphs are the best way to explain it. I like to picture the derivative graph as the "force" required to apply the changes to the original graph. If that makes sense?
harveyundented ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nn
Lighthead77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just looked at this site a few weeks ago. How weird that it popped up here. I enjoyed the explanation of the Pareto principle.
Kythia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should really never try to memorize math concepts, it's all in the understanding.
pumpinpat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
how can you teach something in a "intuitive" way? What I find to be intuitive may not make any sense to you.
kril1in ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You Sir deserve to have ur dick sucked
Denziloe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How the intuitive, memorable site explains the sine rule:
http://betterexplained.com/static/articles/law-of-sines/
How I would explain the sine rule:
http://i.imgur.com/bxoD6R5.png
Wordwench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OK, I am not the best at maths and I have a question.
"Numbers can be negative, less than nothing (Wha?). This represents "opposite" or "reverse", e.g., negative height is underground, negative savings is debt."
How does negative debt times negative debt equal positive debt?
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:32 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great question. With numbers, physical examples help to a point. But it starts to get weird (fractional apples? Square root of 13 apples?).
I think of the concept of negative as "opposite". When you multiply by -1, you take the opposite. So -1 * -1 is positive because the "mirror image of the mirror image is the original".
If we want to use the debt analogy:
Let's say I get $10 every week. In 4 weeks I'll have $40 compared to today. Positive * positive = positive.
Let's say I get in debt $10 every week. In 4 weeks I'll owe $40 compared to today. negative * positive = negative.
Let's say I get $10 every week. 4 weeks ago, I had -$40 compared to today.
Let's say I get $10 in debt every week. 4 weeks ago, I had $40 compared to today.
Hope that helps.
TheStig3136 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
negative times negative debt equals positive debt because you are basically in debt of being in debt so you are positive. Think of it as being bad at soccer. If you're bad at being bad, then you are good. Sorry for the messy explanation, but hopefully it is easier to grasp now.
Wordwench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I accept it, and know how to cipher it, but it makes no sense in practical application.
If I have two apples three times, it's six apples. If I do not have two apples not three times, I suddenly have six apples?"
I do like "bad at being bad", though. Something in that seems a key.
TheStig3136 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With the apples its more like not having the absence of apples. Like I don't have 3 times the amount of not having two apples. So by not having the absence of 2x3 apples, you have 6 apples. Its like that achievement in Counterstrike called "counter-counter-terrorist" which you get for killling a Counter-Terrorist while he is defusing the bomb. A counter counter terrorist is just a terrorist. Not having the absence of something is having it.
Foxx_trott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
this is cool
tvs_jimmy_smits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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kordystar55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Guess what! In 1900 it was possible to collect all mathematical knowledge in the world and in written about 80 books, but today Such knowledge can fill more than one hundred thousand books :D
Wesker405 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:28 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Easy trig identities? Why not just look them up?
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More fun when you can bust them out on demand. (But realistically, it's so you can bust them out for an exam...). I don't like memorizing them but I like knowing how to find them when needed.
explodingliver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just finished 1st semester calculus, this would have been incredibly helpful! I'm definitely gonna apply this for the rest of my math classes :)
Denali_Laniakea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saving.
aturtlefromhongkong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:53 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's also Khan academy
raytchipoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:33 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People were memorizing math?
GoneKrogering ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:38 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemath
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This would have been awesome in College.
I literally passed my last math course in Linear by begging the prof for a C.
I really think I'm just not not smart enough to comprehend a lot of it, more so the proofs. Some of the tests were composed of three questions that expected 2-3 pages worth of a proof.
I basically told the prof that it was my last year (of 6) and for the love of god have mercy on this super super senior that is also an idiot and let me pass and I promise to never take a job that requires any linear algebra.
I think I would have literally cried if I had to stay in school for a 7th year for one course. I haven't cried in 10 years.
Edit: degree is Comp Sci, I don't know how I made it through.
FloppyDiskFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:12 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at the site, but is there anything on there that might help a 6th grader understand common math theories. She's looking at distributive property now and doesn't really understand it that well.
Jefri91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:57 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cocopuffs
AtoZZZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:06 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math is a wonderful thing,
Math is a really cool thing,
So get off your ath, let's do some math, math, math, math, math, math
XMackerMcDonald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:52 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered contributing to Khan Academy?
barefo89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:25 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thank you
callmefucktruck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:48 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
does this type of site exist for physics too?
k6mju ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a website to explain englishs?
kasparovnutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:00 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Been looking for something like this for years. Thank you for sharing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:04 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
nice
runningga92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:24 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Solid Effort http://i.imgur.com/6qNrwBl.png
YupYouMadAndDownvote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:07 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic site.
Hopefully in the future the author explains a few more things:
What jobs use whatever math you're looking at (with an example)
Why you need to learn that specific math for the real world
I've yet to use much algebra in the real world(if any), especially shit like radicals, factoring, etc. It is HARD to keep my interest when I know I'm temporarily learning this (meaning I'll forget it the day after the semester ends....happens with every course not related to what I wanna do in life).
whataquokka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:17 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I suffer from dyscalculia so I was excited to look at this website in the hopes it could finally make maths easier for me. Unfortunately I had the usual reaction. :-( so bummed
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:24 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aw man, sorry to hear that :(. My general philosophy is that no matter the concept, there some way to look at it have it make sense. It may not be my site but there's a better explanation out there. I'm happy to help clear up any confusion if there's a particular issue I can help with.
whataquokka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:12 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that offer. I work my way through things now with help from Google University. Thankfully I've taught myself how to use Excel and I use it to get myself out of tough spots. :-)
pb_zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:27 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let the machines do the work, even better :).
33xander33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:05 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where were you 2 weeks ago during finals OP!!!
lkxyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:40 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Woah..
falseidentity123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:17 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish there was a site like this back in my high school days. I use to love math so much until around the 10th grade where I just became disenfranchised by what we were "learning". I lost complete interest because I didn't understand what we were doing. All I knew was to memorize a formula and then plug in the numbers. Surprising I got through high school math with decent grades but once I got into post-secondary it all fell apart as my weaknesses were exposed.
I will be passing this site off to my younger relatives!
murde1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:27 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is so awesome!
Thank you for sharing!
fatclownbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:00 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember stumbling upon this site when i was trying to understand the birthday paradox.
Still don't understand. Maybe I'm just stupid.
furcifer89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:24 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for posting this AFTER my math final.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:42 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
where the fuck did 'maths' come from, like yea, after maths I haves choirs and englishes, and then histories at the end of the day
growar1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:34 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't help but think of this: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3892
cmatute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:20 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't express how much I love this
octobersoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:41 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This site is wonderful. Bless you for sharing this with us!
AdropAripple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:49 on December 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thank you for this! (:
user681 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:21 on January 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great math tool
TerminX13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:51 on January 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bless you dude
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Americans who think OP is dumb for saying "maths" go on to affirm their insular nature and ignorance of the world around them
stanleythemanley44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:46 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was a meme. Apparently I'm just insular.
MrProstatePulsates ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:48:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, I can go gung-ho on this website and stop telling cashiers I suck at math.
DetroitGuyNVA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:15 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am a mechanical engineer with a masters degree and several 400-700 level advanced math courses in linear algebra, partial differential equations, and so on. I find this site amazing and useful. What a great way to display these concepts. I can say I wish this was around a few years ago
pb_zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:44 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's so awesome to hear, thank you.
bws1105 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TIL I am not a smart man :(
graspablemath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:52 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[Warning: shameless self-plug] I'm a developer for software called Graspable Math that aims to make math learning intuitive as well, by giving users the ability to make equations that respond to gestures from a finger or a mouse. If you've traditionally struggled with math you may find this tool helps as well: http://graspablemath.com/ (try out our tutorials, then move on to our demos). Let me know what you think!
flexiverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:03 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Very good indeed. What about iPad version ?
graspablemath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:28 on January 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sincerest apologies, this isn't my main account so I'm not on it often. Yes, Graspable Math does indeed work on an iPad.
Potsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The title of this article exposes the true problem with some education systems. Increasingly often, students are taught to a test. This is a side effect of standardized testing where good scores mean good things for the school/district and bad scores can lead to reduced budgets or other penalties.
When this happens teachers are pressured to make sure their students get good marks on the tests. The teaching techniques used to teach subjects then change slowly towards teaching information for memorization; steps to complete a puzzle like a recipe instead of teaching for understanding of a technique and why it works.
We end up with students who can memorize some set of steps or rules to solve a quadratic equation but aren't able to balance an equation or create that quadratic formula from the standard form.
Some subjects work well with memorization but others require understanding.
DigitalChocobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:18 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Teaching a standardized set of concepts that get tested later and teaching understanding over memorization are not mutually exclusive. Not even a little bit.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:59 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:28:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His math lessons are not very good if you are learning something for the first time. They are needlessly complicated by analogies that are often stretched. It may be useful if you know an idea already but want to look at it another way. In general, it is terrible way to learn from scratch.
Thurgood_Marshall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://wordplay.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/%CF%80/?_r=0
FoolishChemist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:20 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unless Princeton is different than other schools, I'm pretty sure they don't let outsiders set up personal accounts on their website. Also the site is basically from 2002-2003. He probably wanted to give a sense of professionalism by not having exploding fireworks and dancing hamsters on his page.
Also a quick google search supports that he was cited by the New York Times.
http://wordplay.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/%CF%80/
AfterShave997 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:53:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths is perfectly intuitive, people just don't care enough to learn them
monkeypowah ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:09:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This should replace math at school, you can teach a years worth of crap in a week.
Cheapo_Sam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:20:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why is the integral reason that chemists and physicists can't live together?
They cant agree on two up two down.
BoBasil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:44:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
where's the beef? I see a text-book like content, no intuitive graphics or animations. Spam?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:58:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's cloudfare?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:19:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice advertising
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am in no way related to this site or the owner of this site. Infact a redditor has posted the username of the owner of website in comments below.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:57:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Too many roadblocks on that first page...
squirrel-bait ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that is bother me is that I was hoping to find something new and unique, instead I found common core math and the way I approach these subjects with my students.
The number of people going "OMG! I understand math now!" is troublesome because all it means is that you most likely didn't pay attention the first or third time. Now that you aren't in a classroom, you aren't being tested, and it is being laid out for you, of course you get it! But, can you repeat it?
Y u no listen in the first place?! (No, seriously, if I can figure this out, I can be a more effective teacher).
dragoneno6969 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Solid Effort http://i.imgur.com/6qNrwBl.png
dontknowmeatall ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can see by the pattern of the "controversial" comments that there is someone intentionally downvoting every comment that claims to find this useful. That is a complete violation of reddiquette and general Reddit rules on how to use the vote buttons, not to mention a dick move.
Hollowsong ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:59:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The kind of people that need metaphors to understand math are the kind of people who probably aren't going to need advanced math in the career they end up in. I find basically zero use out of this website.
dontknowmeatall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:17 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is usually because the learning environment for STEM careers is very aggressive towards people who don't grasp stuff at the first try, and ends up being discouraging and depressing so most opt out. Changing that mindset will increase the number of people in the subject (don't you gringos have a huge issue with women and some minorities not getting in STEM?) and will provide different perspectives on issues that might help tackle them faster.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm getting old but I have seen "math" referred to as "maths" several times now. Why is this?
This is in addition to seeing the phrase "seek for", which seems redundant to me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Americans say math, most other places say maths since it's short for mathematics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh it makes sense now.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you can make it to Fourier Transforms, I don't understand why you'd ever need to have it dumbed down to describe it like making smoothies. I don't understand what is so hard to understand that 1+1 = 2 or that an integral represents the AUC. We need to stop always appealing to the lowest common denominators and just accept the fact that people have different natural born talents.
Woosah_Motherfuckers ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OP might want to consider frequenting an English site or two... Man that title bothers me.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is my English wrong? I am sorry I'm not a native speaker.
Woosah_Motherfuckers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"In a very intuitive" rather than In very intuitive". The "a" is attached to "way" (n.) but gives way to descriptors "very" and "intuitive".
You can also use "the" in place of "a", or a number "two ways" but it wouldn't make sense in this context as it is just one of a variety of unnamed and unknown ways.
And hello! You have an excuse, usually it's just people that don't know how to write in their own language which is sad. This is actually a really cool site, I'll probably be using it as I go back to school to study up for my masters.
๐๏ธ amitnahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:36 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! makes sense. Real thanks for noticing this mistake as it will surely help me improve my English.
Ford42 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:31:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
MATH
Sburninernie ยท -105 points ยท Posted at 15:03:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Since when is it maths? Just stop. It's math and has always been math. Quit trying to 2015 everything, Reddit.
TomValiant ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 15:11:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
America isn't the only place on the planet, in Britain and some other Commonwealth nations, it's "maths".
burninernie ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 15:39:27 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2zlPNGuPbw
MellowNatts ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:54:21 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Their inability to read maps leads many Americans to believe most places are in America.
burninernie ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 15:58:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think its all the military bases that do that.
[deleted] ยท -39 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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MellowNatts ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:23:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic, since a good chunk of the U.S could be classified as a third world country.
[deleted] ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 16:33:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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MellowNatts ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Canada
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:11:01 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm American and I agree with him. We still have a third world-like attitude towards many things, like criminal justice and women's sexuality.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 17:19:47 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I say third world-like, I don't mean that we're as bad as the worst third world countries in those areas. Plenty of third world countries treat criminals fairly and aren't prudes about female sexuality.
When I say third world-like, I mean "falling below the standards of a first world country." Our criminal justice system is retributive rather than rehabilitative. Promiscuous women are still shamed while promiscuous men are celebrated. Both of these things happen because of our backwards way of thinking, often rooted in religious beliefs.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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burninernie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is this necessary?
TotesMessenger ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:23:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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Gregser94 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:36:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Maths" comes from the word "mathematics"... See the S at the end? And, no, Reddit isn't "2015 everything". I grew up with "maths" in primary school.
burninernie ยท -58 points ยท Posted at 15:37:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know what it comes from. Its still sounds corny as shit.
Gregser94 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:38:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
To me, "math" sounds weird. It's all about what way you spelt it in school...
[deleted] ยท -47 points ยท Posted at 16:02:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Gregser94 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://grammarist.com/spelling/spelled-spelt/
gummz ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:36:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl, Americans :D
treebard127 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:50:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're not doing too well are you?
Just before you make a fool of yourself again, "you're" is called a contraction and is, indeed, a part of the English language.
MystyrNile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spelt
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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MystyrNile ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:25:29 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but i don't see how this supports your original statement that "spelt" is incorrect. Have you changed your mind?
ThePatrioticBrit ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:44:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you stupid?
burninernie ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 16:52:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nos, ares yous?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:30:39 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, lots of people, including me, say "yous", and it's in the dictionary.
[deleted] ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 16:05:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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burninernie ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
wot m8?
[deleted] ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 16:12:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths doesn't turn it into a plural any more than mathematics is plural. It isn't.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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gummz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:46:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you say mathematics is fun, or mathematics are fun?
No, that is not what you would say. It's clear you're American.
How much maths did you take in high school?
This is just hilarious. Stop embarrassing yourself.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:44:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No. Get this into your thick head. Maths is another abbreviation of mathematics, just like math. You're wrong because people don't use it that way, simple as that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:26 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong. Please accept that and move on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:54 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:42 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, how can you be this dumb? You will only make this harder on yourself when you have nothing more to say.
Oh my god no you dumb shit, maths is an abbreviation of mathematics.
Wikipedia
You are wrong. Please do not humiliate yourself further.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:55 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Please refer to the Wikipedia article. You use math, the rest of English speakers use maths. Maths is not a plural for math, maths is an abbreviation for mathematics, regardless of what you personally think.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:45 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:49 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You don't say "many mathematics," you say "a lot of mathematics." So, no, still wrong.
You mean in the rest of the English speaking world do they say maths, yes. India, Australia, Great Britain, Ireland, etc.
burninernie ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:51:50 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well damn, thanks for showing up.
Although I think mathematics might be plural and singular at the same time. Like, on one hand it could refer to all of the formulas and different subjects under the umbrella and on the other it refers to the subject as a whole. Then again, science is just as fragmented and we don't call it sciences so I don't know.
babney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:39 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Academy_of_Sciences
Olpainless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:04 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We literally do call it sciences.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:31:02 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
English speaking European folks say "Maths" instead of "Math". It's a different way of shortening the word "Mathematics". Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
Please note that not everyone on the "world wide web" is from your home town.
gummz ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:35:11 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics is not plural.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:50:12 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it is. It's a collective term for the study of topics such as quantity (numbers), structure, space, and change.
gummz ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:46:41 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you say mathematics is fun, or mathematics are fun? It used to be a plural word, but colloquial use dictates the dictionary, not the other way around.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If colloquial use dictates the dictionary, why are you discrediting a colloquialism that's different than yours?
doubleplushomophobic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:17:56 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because his colloquialism is the objectively correct one, obviously. Jeez, is that so hard to understand?
erfling ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:31 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What colloquialism? Maths and mathematics are both singular. That's how the words are used in every dialect I've ever heard them in, anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:38:22 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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erfling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:32 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I mean I've literally never heard it used in a structurally plural way. Even in any dialect of British English. I understand it to be collective, but, again, usage determines meaning, and I've never heard anyone say "Maths are" or "Mathematics are'. Have you? I mean, other than in a discussion about the use of the words. Like, as a native speaker of both Standard English and Southern American English, it parses very weirdly to me to hear "maths are". I don't think people say that in British English or any dialect. Happy to hear a counter-example, and I Googled the phrase, but couldn't find it.
gummz ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:36:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's an older colloquialism that is no longer in use, hence my example: mathematics is fun. The other is archaic, but still in the dictionary.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's in common, consistent use outside of America.
gummz ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:42:06 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
treebard127 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:51:58 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source: the rest of the English speaking world.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:19 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Found this website that uses "Maths" (even as "Maths is...") in about five seconds of google. Not to mention all the Brits on this post who have been telling you they use it.
Edit: Forgot the link: https://www.mathsisfun.com
gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I was saying that mathematics was singular, in case you hadn't noticed. Maths is an abbreviation of mathematics not math, just like math is.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:14 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You made the claim that dictionaries are dictated by colloquialism, and seem to be using that to discredit the colloquial spelling "maths." I'm pointing out that that's a self defeating argument.
gummz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm using that to discredit people saying maths, or mathematics, is plural. What is reading comprehension.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:22 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something you should probably invest some time in.
TRiG_Ireland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They're right. You're wrong. And you're the one who's failing reading comprehension.
Both math and maths are acceptable abbreviations of mathematics in different dialects. Everyone in this conversation agrees on that. Why are you arguing against something your conversational partner isn't saying?
However, none of these words are plural. Mathematics is not a plural word, and nor are either of its abbreviations. The proof, already provided above and ignored by you, is in the phrase "Mathematics is fun", which clearly uses a singular verb form.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:51 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because I've clearly failed at reading comprehension as it now clear to me upon review. I must have thought I was replying to a different thread and then got a little heated and defensive. My apologies to both of you.
TRiG_Ireland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:49 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. And no need to apologise to me.
gummz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Americans are truly incapable of being wrong. That's three of you that just can't wrap your heads around the fact that you're wrong. Is this a cultural thing? Power through ignorance?
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:05 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one twisting against your own words and flatly dismissing alternatives.
gummz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:44 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you think I'm wrong, continue where we left off
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:43 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I continue to rail against someone so intractable? You claim colloquilisms are valid, but it is clear you mean only the ones you use and have experienced. If you want to set yourself up as the grand Pooh-Bah of English and discount what anyone else says on the basis of their nationality, that honestly sounds more like your problem than mine.
gummz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let me help you by reminding you where we left off:
to which you responded with nothing.
theRealGurntBoelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:09 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As /u/TRiG_Ireland has pointed out, I am indeed in the wrong here. My apologies for getting defensive about this.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:48 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Either one is correct. Also, that argument, while accurate, is circular. If that's the case my usage is covered under colloquial usage as well.
gummz ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:31 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's an older colloquialism that is no longer in use, hence my example: mathematics is fun. The other is archaic, but still in the dictionary. No one says mathematics are fun.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:40 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You just did.
gummz ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:39:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you've resorted to that, it's time to be quiet.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:35 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/doesn't
gummz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:23 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your little amerifat brain is incapable of admitting its faults, isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:32 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that question answers itself...
SBareS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:13:38 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More like Britain.
Sataris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I never knew we were so on top of things :D
AnonSweden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:35 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it one math many maths?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:54:53 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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treebard127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:24 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Since forever. You're wrong. Stop destroying the English language.
soggyindo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:37 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's "maths" in 99% of countries (all but one or two)
keystone_union ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:05 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind that not all countries in this world speak English, so math vs maths isn't even an issue in most countries.
Sataris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:01 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well we'll make it an issue, dammit!
newgrounds ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:18 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How many maths?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:25 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
English speaking European folks say "Maths" instead of "Math". It's a different way of shortening the word "Mathematics". Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
droddt ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:57 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maths?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
English speaking European folks say "Maths" instead of "Math". It's a different way of shortening the word "Mathematics". Technically, it's more grammatically correct, as "mathematics" is plural.
null_work ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:16 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also, since you seem to think mathematics is plural, how often does one say
Linguistically, mathematics isn't plural.
null_work ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:30 on December 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It's arbitrary, not technically correct in any way at all.
Edit: How do English speaking European folks abbreviate economics or politics? Yea, it's completely arbitrary. Also, fun fact, "math" is the older form than "maths."
It's fun watching Brits try to defend their illogical word usage.