That was in freedom units, you pleb.

Don't take his pen!

I heard it's coarse and rough and irritating and gets everywhere.

Winds of shit are a comin'

Proper democracy is a communist demand. For real democracy to exist, people must be in control of the economic as well as the political sphere of life.

By being exactly what communists demand?

Your rhetoric is also extremely similar.

Here's what I think: You've found a problem with society, a group of leeches that don't contribute to society and you want them gone. The group you've identified is "government." Communists have a bigger picture, and see the whole ruling class, those who stand behind the government and actually give it authority, the capitalists as the problem. But somehow you've ended up as an alt-right, when what you want is communism.

/u/Ohalrightmate

That looks like a communist mustache to me....

The former will never understand that it embodies the latter

People use /s so dense people wont downvote it to oblivion where it wont get seen

If that's what he thinks, I'd like him to explain his logic.

[removed]

Agree to disagree, if the goal was to kill Muslims than the most recent crusade has been the most successful by far.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/26/body-count-report-reveals-least-13-million-lives-lost-us-led-war-terror

And that's not really taking account for all the civil wars and sectarian violence it kicked off by destabilizing the region.

So like New York now. With graffiti.

And (I swear I read this somewhere) a small penis was considered better than a large one.

In Pompeii there are dick arrows pointing to the brothels.

Most cities have dicks painted everywhere.

Are you sure of that? To my knowledge big penises were considered barbaric and overall uncivilised.

dicks painted everywhere.

Supposedly cave paintings of dicks were founded as well. It's quite clear that the human race's most obsessed thing is the penis and it's various uses. From basic use to relieve waste and engage in reproduction to creative uses like worship and profanity to social uses for measuring manhood...the phallus should be considered a significant cultural symbol of the human race(tied of course with breasts in ranking).

You mean it could have been someone's job to sit around all day and draw pictures of dicks?

Holy shit, kids down voting you, oblivious, that it's obvious, they are playing Simon^TM anyways.

/r/VolleyballGirls ...my Valhalla

It was a shitty attempt at humor

Wow, there's talk of it?

How much talk? What talk? Who's talking?

That becoming a Nun is voluntary, and, that this law in French cities, is to passive aggressively combat Islam regardless of what the women actually want to wear.

Why would France care about burkinis? If you want to wear a burkini, go to Saudi Arabia. When in Rome...

[removed]

[removed]

[removed]

[removed]

[removed]

[removed]

He didn't say it was

Yes but what we were talking about was burkinis, which isn't banned nationwide. Headscarves and other religious symbols are indeed banned from those places.

Which is offensive: barely half of Americans are hillbillies. Many are rednecks, yinzers, white trash, or yoopers.

Then stop putting Honey-booboo on TV.

I agree. That would be why I used the word "considering."

[deleted]

Can you wear a burqa in France?

Yeah, it's totally not about salafists and other extremist branches forcing women to wear burqa and gloves (otherwise they get called sluts, harassed and spat on at best, thrown acid in the face and "honor" killed at worst). The ban on the burkini is dumb and counter-productive, but you can't just ignore the major problem of extremists in islam in the projects.

In a perfect world, muslim women could wear burqa all they want, refuse to speak to men, refuse to be treated in hospital by any men, refuse to go to public places with men around, or to have a job with any male coworker - muslim women would be perfectly free to live however they want, with absolute individual rights and all would be well.

But the current society can not provide such unlimited individual rights because granting such extremely large individual rights would allow a massive violation of basic human rights for hundreds of thousands of muslim women who do NOT want to wear a burqa, who do NOT want to only go outside to women-only places.

Our society can not be completely naive and think granting individual rights will not be exploited by all the social control existing among all groups, especially in social groups made of immigrants who were denied proper integration (since the 50s) and where tradition is increasingly stronger.

If you care so much about individual rights, I recommend listening to the muslim women who live in these communities and are trying to live a modern life where they can freely study, work, socialize and have a love life, and how the whole community is getting more and more aggressive in shutting them down, always comparing them to the more submissive members who accept to stay at home and wear the hijab at all time, while glorifying the most "pious" ones who dare wearing the burqa public (discreetly within the projets' limit) as some sort of religious purity.

If muslim women could weak bikinis, summer dresses, have lovers, drink at bars, go out at clubs, be managers supervising men - and let's be crazy, be lesbians/trans/bi - without being called a disgraceful subhuman piece of crap by their family, neighbors and community, without receiving violent threats by male members of their own family (over a so-called sullied "honor"), then yes we could allow everything.

The harsh reality is that people's individual rights, especially women's individual rights, are threatened by every group they're part of: social class, geographical area, cultural and linguistic group, religious community, professional sector, etc.

So the state has to make compromises to ensure the most important and basic human rights are defended first:

• by banning the burqa, the state reduces the religious freedom (mainly) and slightly reduce the individual right to dress however you want (note that ALL clothing covering the face are banned: masks and balaclava are banned too, only tolerated if it's cold enough and while moving to a destination while exposed to the outside environment).

• in return, it ensures women who do not want to wear a burqa, to refuse wearing it because it's the law as well their choice. Since standing up against accusations of being a bad muslim or a slut is extremely difficult and very likely to get you excluded, particularly in the projects, the french society decided to back the right to refuse the burqa, over the right to wear it in public.

Rights and liberties do not exist in a vacuum, they all affect each others. In a perfect world the state would grant unlimited freedom to its citizens and the rest would self-regulate magically. Sadly, it doesn't work like that and a theoretical liberty can perfectly allow a local tyranny to thrive and force itself on the "free" citizens.
_

The whole burkini debacle is about that: openly refusing the tyranny of extreme islamists.

But it's very poorly done and even more poorly implemented (asking a woman to leave the beach because she had a veil on her head covering her hairs and walked in the water at ankle level a few minutes ago, completely out of place and plain stupid decision by the police forces).

Why the burkini? Simply because it is a much easier way to say "no!" to a swimwear, than it is to honestly talk about Saudi Arabia (selling us oil and buying our planes) and Iran, or directly addressing the theological issues with the fringe currents in islam (similar to how it's taboo to talk about the Opus Dei in Italy).

Politicians and media still love the burkini drama because it's very unlikely to paint them as biggots (it's not about banning the Quran) or trigger terrorists attacks by outraged extremists (who actually dislike the burkini since it still shows women's curves), but the whole thing underneath is still the clash between the secular state vs the religious control over its citizens.

That was where my mind was headed.

nahh, get out of here with that logic. women only wear those types of clothes for men's attention.

Then she'd show up in a wet suit.

So you basically came to a thread about something happening in Italy to remind us all that the US is big?

I thought about taking mine off for maybe half a second but then my brain corrected itself.

Lol I see that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.