Fucking kids won't pay the 110 dollars a month to watch the one show they like on HBO? Cheap cunts
Nuzid ยท 622 points ยท Posted at 20:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pirating is seriously the easiest way to get GoT for my friend group's weekly movie night. We would gladly use a smart TV app like Netflix for that, but no... No HBO in my country.
Edit: I do want to add that we've got every season on Blu-Ray as well. It's the new episodes that we cannot watch legitimately which sucks and it's nothing but poor service by HBO that we are forced to pirate GoT. Fortunately our Eastern European friends on the internet provide 1080p WebRips immediately after the show has aired.
In the words of Gabe Newell, Piracy is a service problem.
30phil1 ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 01:43:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, it is. I barely pirate that many games any more because it's such a better experience to actually buy the dang thing through Steam. As for movies, I'm stuck having to use RARBG and the PirateBay whenever I want too watch anything that's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime. It's not even that much more cost-effective. I still have to pay for a VPN or seedbox and a decent hard drive. What the film and TV industry needs to do is make a DRM-free marketplace with periodic sales that, whenever you buy a movie or season of a show, comes with all the special features and bonus content.
Or just put literally everything on Netflix and any other paid streaming service that asks. The way I see it I'm getting the content either way, it's up to them whether they want to get paid for it. Especially when we're talking about decades old catalog titles.
Realistically I think the future is going to involve an ASCAP style royalty system. Completely abolishing copyright isn't exactly likely, but making it so you can do "public performances" of any existing work without any limit beyond a nominal fee would solve a lot of problems for everyone involved -- not just just consumers, but for content producers and distributors, too.
I never pirate games but I won't hesitate to stream a movie or TV program.
AlleM43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only pirate old games and arcade games, because there are no arcades near where I live, and old games are rare.
30phil1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily, as long as it's not a Nintendo game, it's not really considered "piracy" to download ROMs. It's always been a gray area but so far you're in the clear.
AlleM43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:03 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only Nintendo game i have downloaded is one that i own but i forgot where I put the cartridge.
This makes perfect sense and well written. No OTT has everything. They each pick a piece of content knowing their so called competitor picks the other. This one has sports, this one has local channels ... it's the same racket by cable.
Well said. The music industry has already caught on with Spotify, Apple Music, etc. Meanwhile, Netflix's catalog is continually shrinking. (เฒ อสเฒ ) ??
HBO Now is better than HBO Go anyways. Now doesn't require a cable subscription and is literally like the same exact website layout and everything. Episodes get posted a bit after they live, but it's still good enough for me. I don't get why the hell HBO needs two seperate fucking streaming services though for cable/noncable when both sites look exactly the same, just changing a handful of letters.
Bac0n01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:46 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day I decided to watch Band of Brothers so instead of getting off the couch, walking 5 feet, and getting the DVDs I decided to set up HBO Go and watch it from that. It took a long time to set up and then the video quality was crap and it kept buffering. No wonder people pirate.
Man, I tried to get HBO Go and/or Now set up so I could watch the show legit. They make it so fucking impossible to figure out that i gave up and pirated the episode twice purely out of spite.
Casen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But not easier than HBO now. Downloaded the app, made an account, linked a card, got a free month, and watched GoT in 3 minutes.
I do not have amazon prime, I'm curious as to why you'd assume that?
And I should have clarified in my comment, I still have and use HBO Go. But the first time I attempted to use it to watch the season opener of GoT it was both easier and faster to use an illegal stream.
Even after getting HBO Go set up and running it's still incredibly frustrating with how many times I'm forced to watch the same ad repeatedly when attempting to let the video buffer.
So no, not cheap. And as someone mentioned in another comment, when piracy is easier, it's a service problem, not a lazy problem.
In the UK you can get it on Sky Atlantic. I watched it once with my housemates who has Sky, and it turns out there are ad breaks. From then on I always watched it pirated, don't understand why anyone would pay for a service when the free experience is objectively better
3rdIGo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just use a VPN mate, I've watched GOT while traveling in Europe and Latin America this way.
We have hbo with xfinity and I will torrent that shit rather than use their shitty website.
gmano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is in my country... but literally the only way to get it legally is as part of a package deal with another network that you have to get on top of regular cable.
kakemot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HAVE to pirate certain movies, otherwise I would never get to watch them. I couldn't pay anywhere to watch it anyway so they lost no money on me pirating it.
I would gladly pay to have access to the GoT episodes the moment they air on TV in Europe (so a little later than US), but such an offer doesn't exist for any reasonable price. Same with watching football - there simply aren't enough offers.
Thankfully in my country streaming is legal. Only providing is illegal but I only watch so I'm fine...
"We don't want to give you the service you would pay for and demand you pay us anyway for a mediocre service and lackluster content" - Every major entertainment company ever
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only pay for HBO specifically, and netflix. It's something like 27 a month? And for other reasons I have Amazon Prime, I never use it for shows, but I'll check to see if something is there that isn't on Netflix or HBO before "finding" it
Fair, I've never had to pay a cable bill directly, I'm young and broke so I'm not sure what HBO costs. However I do pay for Netflix. I was also using the ole hyperbole I tend to be overly sarcastic. That is actually quite affordable though I assume that's USD?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you weren't far off for a decent/low end cable internet combo. I used to pay around 125 USD a month for like 50Mbs down and standard cable with no premium. I never had a DVR growing up or as an adult. I don't have a cable box now. I have 100 down internet that I pay 60 for, (until they jack it up after my first year). And I typically just do netflix for 12 I think, (the 4k option). And just now I started up HBO for Game of Thrones. But I don't keep it other than that. But I think it's even 15.99 for HBO a month. And I can't just do that. I really only do it when I want to watch something. It'd be even smarter to wait till the season is over and binge them in one month. But I like to be caught up with the world sometimes.
they can keep being shitty about it. the more people leave cable for better legal alternatives the more money goes to those alternatives and the better they get/more good ones will pop up. free market economics in the internet age my friends (and why net neutrality is so important)
klethra ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:55:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People in the shows and movies speak way slower than people in real life. It's not enjoying things. It's laboring through at about half the speed at which you're subvocalizing this paragraph. Are you failing to enjoy a book if you read it at the speed you'd read out loud?
Soensou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poynsid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This argument for why piracy is morally ok has always struck to me as odd. There's plenty of things I don't have access to, are expensive and whose alternatives are shitty and require a long wait. That doesn't entitle me to them; it's not my right to have things produced by a private entity in a way that's convenient or cheap or at all.
I think the argument is, if corporations and big businesses decide to fuck the consumer in the ass, the consumer has every right to return said fuck.
Poynsid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we don't apply this standard any other product
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What other product can you 'steal' so easily without any legal consequences? In Germany it is still a grey area and there is not one case of someone getting arrested for downloading pirated movies or tv shows.
Poynsid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But my point isn't about stealing per se, it's about the seeming entitlement some have towards media they don't have towards other products
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it is about entitlement. The market wants this product and there is an easier way to get this than buying it directly. You can't compare this to many products because normally you have higher legal repercussions for those actions. I just think that pirating offers a unique opportunity to a great number of people. If it wouldn't exist the outrage about the prices and accessibility would either be higher or people wouldn't care enough. The question is what is better for the industry. I remember a story (maybe even a study) that suggested that the music industry at some point made more profit due to pirating. People would listen to the music and then go to concerts. Without pirating they wouldn't even consider an artist because for example the price of the album is to high. I think the same is true for tv shows. The hype leads to more downloads and thus more fans. Those fans will buy merchandise, attend comic cons and much more without even buying the real product. Maybe some people will get an HBO subscription for GoT after pirating it and stick with it because they like it. I could give many more examples but this should be sufficient.
Well we apply this standard to digital products. It's not just one product. It's much harder to find a way around buying physical items than it is digital.
dtt-d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 20:09:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think it has to do with the fact that if you are streaming, you are not making any duplicates of the material therefore your not in violation of copyright infringement.
It's not about duplicating it that makes it illegal, it's the distribution. As a user, you can't distribute a streaming video (giving a link to it wouldn't count). Torrents on the other hand rely on people distributing while downloading.
Edit: I was just making a clarification about the duplicating aspect of what OP said. In the U.S. it's not illegal to duplicate any media for personal use. It's when you distribute anything that things change.
With a legal site the user could be licensed to make a persistent copy, if the provider so chose. You are right that both official and infringing streams have temporary copies, though they might only keep a part of the whole file at one time. What is it that is pointless though?
Good point there, I'm just saying it would be hard to block one type of streaming because it makes a copy of the file and not completely mess up all types of streaming.
Ah Y es I see. Well nothing the authorities have done to cut down on piracy has been effective. its only the offering of licensed services which has done that. So the pirates have essentially achieved what they wanted. Most media is available online.
Even with torrents though, your most likely just going to get a stern warning from your ISP when you get caught in the US. Enough infractions and shit will go down, but all you need is a solid VPN after that.
Yep. Torrenting is a grey area, because you are only distributing small parts of the file- a few bytes can't actually be counted as giving someone a file can it? But you are still Knowingly sharing it. AFAIK there is no precedent for this so they don't really want to go to caught.
I think a lot of it has to do with it not being worth the time and money to sue. It's not a criminal offense, but it could be a civil one. Most downloaders are potential customers and I sure as hell wouldn't be paying for HBO Now if HBO chose to sue me instead of getting my ISP to send me a cease and desist.
They made it more convenient to pay $15 a month than to torrent.
Hell, I've been boycotting Metallica since the 90's after they shut down Napster. Sure, I still had LimeWire and Kazza, but as an angsty teen, it really pissed me off. Granted, they survived despite my boycott, but I'm still holding out.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that is precisely what i was refering to. The original comment was about how it is not illegal to watch a streamed video. In most cases, as the viewer, it is legal. As the company providing the stream, almost guatenteed to be breaking a law.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. You're not the one commiting the crime. The person hosting the stream in Random Former Soviet Country is.
Koiq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unauthorized duplication, even for personal use, is infringement, is illegal, and may make you liable for statutory damages. See17 USC ยง 106(1) (right to reproduce the work is an exclusive right of the copyright holder); 17 USC ยง 501(a) ("Anyone who violates any of the exclusive rights of the copyright owner...is an infringer of the copyright"); 17 USC ยง 504 (copyright holder entitled to seek statutory rather than actual damages for each infringement). Certain uses are "fair uses" and are not infringement, but personal entertainment is not among them, and simply saying "I didn't distribute" is not enough to successfully argue that a use was "fair" under the statute. 17 USC ยง 107. Distribution is a separate exclusive right under ยง 106, but each can be violated independently of the other.
Now, iirc, there is still an ongoing debate in he courts as to whether streaming as a viewer is an act of infringement because its unsettled whether buffering creates a copy of the work for the purposes of the Copyright Act. Even if you live in a jurisdiction where streaming is infringement, it probably doesn't matter because it just doesn't make any sense for content owners to target streaming viewers because it takes a lot of effort and doesn't actually get at the source of the problem. Plus, it looks terrible from a PR perspective.
Anyway, sorry to nitpick, but I see people with common misconceptions about their rights as a user of content a lot. The bottom line is that if you're making an unauthorized copy, and you're not doing so for a core free speech purpose (like education or criticism/commentary), you're almost certainly committing infringement in the U.S. While it's not likely anyone would actually get sued for the infringement we're talking about here, I just don't like the idea of people going around thinking they're safe when they're really exposed to potentially significant liability for what can be very large statutory damage awards.
Well that's exactly the problem. But the Copyright Act is totally outdated and when courts try to apply it to contemporary facts, they sometimes give us interpretations without fully realizing all of the consequences, which can lead to absurd results later. Keep in mind a lot of these judges are old and may only have a loose grasp on the technology before them
its more like because of the logic of the law, buying a stolen item from a pawn shop doesnt make you a thief in the same way as watching a video off a website doesnt.
the liability is not bore upon the consumer but to those providing the stolen product. same way you dont get arrested if you bought a bootleg DVD back in the day, you (as a consumer) reasonably have no requirement in the law to make 100% sure it is legitimate.
torrenting is another thing because technically you are uploading to other people and thus are a part of the distribution. one of the easiest ways to bypass ISP warning letters for torrenting for instance is to just turn off uploading/seeding altogether and be a leech (being a leech isnt technically illegal)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with torrenting isnt just uploading, as a downloader, you are making a copy of copyrighted material.
Dinalib ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that doesn't count as making a duplicate. It's like copying music from one CD to another CD but as soon as you stop the second CD is incinerated.
apockill ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 20:09:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you never download the content, you're good. Torrenting is illegal because you both download and share the content. Streaming sites are liable for hosting the content.
I posted this below but just so you see it, for clarification
You do download it, yes, in that any and all data received by your device has been "downloaded". It is more likely, though, stored within RAM and destroyed on the fly as the video progresses rather than stored in TEMP and deleted later.
Either way, though, that doesn't matter, because the law has penalties for distribution of copyrighted material but not consumption (or, at least, the penalty is so much smaller for consumption that it's not worth effort to pursue, plus hard to prove in court). Bittorrent, where each user is simultaneously uploading and downloading, is where they catch casual users because they can nab then for distribution on account of their upload.
Streaming, though, does not require distribution (uploading) of the data by the end user ("pirate"). The sites that host the streams are liable, because they are distributing copyrighted material. Except most of those servers are overseas and out of reach of US corporate legal departments.
Even then, while technically both downloading and distributing are both illegal, they are not criminal matters. They are civil matters. If I'm a magician and agree to play at your wedding for $1000 then afterwards you don't pay, that would be illegal, but if I called the cops they'd be like "not really my problem". However, if I had enough evidence of the agreement and that I had performed as agreed, then I could sue you for the money. A copyright holder can't just call the cops when they see copyright infringement. But, with enough evidence and legal effort, they can sue over it. For small fry pirates, it isn't worth it. However, your ISP can cut service without legal action against you.
Edit: meant to say musician playing at a wedding not magician but who doesn't want their wedding to be magical?
Sorry, I was in a particularly intense game of CS GO. We lost 14-16 in case you care. :P
So, as to my sources, there are plenty of places you can find this information. One is a forum called Superuser. This is just one example of this question being asked. I have checked the authenticity of this particular one, and you are free to do the same.
It is more likely, though, stored within RAM and destroyed on the fly
Half right, it seems. It is deleted on the fly, but it is in fact stored on your hard drive, in your temp folder. The point of this folder is to be a temporary (hence the name) storage locker for data that you need to access, but don't want to keep, clogging up your storage. Whatever size you have your temp folder set to, that's how much will be stored before it begins to overwrite. So if I had set my temp folder to 10gb it's entirely possible that i'd have a whole episode or two of Game of Thrones stored there in it's entirety. The problem you face when trying to access these files is that in order for most video players to play them back, you would need the whole unbroken file. There are programs that will play these sorts of files for you, but they are not exactly common.
I have searched, and I can find nobody that agrees that a streamed video is stored in RAM. In fact, I just did a simple test, which any of you can also do. I opened a video while monitoring my RAM usage, and watched the whole thing. My RAM usage stayed constant throughout, meaning no data was being "stored" in there by the stream I was watching.
I hope this was an interesting read for you guys, it was certainly interesting for me to look it up.
Of course, I could be wrong about parts of this, i'm no expert after all. But that's life, and I'd be happy to be taught how I got it wrong, if anyone with more knowledge happens to come along and cares to share it.
Good software should delete all of its own temp data when it closes, though, so it's not like there's an actual folder with two episodes of GoT just chilling on your disk. Chrome would delete those files when it closes. Even if said software doesn't clean up is own temp, then the OS should (Linux/*nix/OSX does, I guess Windows doesn't). Then, even if those files aren't deleted, they aren't stored with human readable names or in easily decoded formats (way back when, like IE5 days before streaming was a big thing) plain-file copies of streamed media files were stored locally after shutdown, and I did manage to recover some videos that way back then.
Also, this applies to YouTube/flash video (per your source) and not to any kind of live streaming and potentially not to a proprietary system (like perhaps hbogo). DRM protected content is much more likely to be encrypted on disk (in temp) as well as more readily discarded. I would argue, too, that whether the video is stored on disk or in RAM would depend on type/size and platform. For instance, a 7MB webm (mp4 video) might only be streamed through RAM instead of introducing disk latency for such a small file, also mobile devices may behave differently, but I've not researched anything.
The larger point, though, is that downloading and keeping isn't any more illegal than downloading and deleting (eg streaming). Uploading and hosting is what they care about.
Those are some very interesting and good points, thanks for taking the time to explain some of this stuff to me.
I was originally just trying to refute the point of a previous commenter that the content is never downloaded to your PC, which I felt must be wrong, as for your PC to display it, the content had to be (however temporarily) stored there, right?
This turned out to be a lot more interesting and educational than I thought, and I'm going to do some extra reading on this thanks to you.
You do download it, yes, in that any and all data received by your device has been "downloaded". It is more likely, though, stored within RAM and destroyed on the fly as the video progresses rather than stored in TEMP and deleted later.
Either way, though, that doesn't matter, because the law has penalties for distribution of copyrighted material but not consumption (or, at least, the penalty is so much smaller for consumption that it's not worth effort to pursue, plus hard to prove in court). Bittorrent, where each user is simultaneously uploading and downloading, is where they catch casual users because they can nab then for distribution on account of their upload.
Streaming, though, does not require distribution (uploading) of the data by the end user ("pirate"). The sites that host the streams are liable, because they are distributing copyrighted material. Except most of those servers are overseas and out of reach of US corporate legal departments.
Even then, while technically both downloading and distributing are both illegal, they are not criminal matters. They are civil matters. If I'm a magician and agree to play at your wedding for $1000 then afterwards you don't pay, that would be illegal, but if I called the cops they'd be like "not really my problem". However, if I had enough evidence of the agreement and that I had performed as agreed, then I could sue you for the money. A copyright holder can't just call the cops when they see copyright infringement. But, with enough evidence and legal effort, they can sue over it. For small fry pirates, it isn't worth it. However, your ISP can cut service without legal action against you.
It's not illegal to download it from other peoples' computers. It's illegal to distribute it without the owner's permission though, which is what happens when you use bittorrent. The bittorrent network basically works by people sharing files, so your bittorrent client both downloads from people on the network and uploads what you're downloading with other people, until you remove the torrent.
Incidentally, you can easily get around this with a very cheap VPN service.
Its the responsibility of the person hosting the video to secure the correct licenses and permissions.
Think of it this way. If you are at the park and someone has a projector playing The Shawshank Redemption on the side of a building. You and several people sit down and start watching. Who should get in trouble if the guy with the projector has a bootleg DVD? The people watching? Everyone who has walked by? Of course not. The blame would fall entirely on that guy.
Downloading and streaming are the same thing and both technically illegal, but both are so hard to prove in their own and neither is a criminal penalty so both are ignored. Broadcasting, uploading, seeding a torrent are all much easier to prove and carry much stiffer penalties so that's where they put their legal effort
Yea i found out a month ago when i started looking at everything because of net neutrality. Promptly got rid of kodi. Think of napster people didnt care it was illegal untill fines of millions of dollars against highschoolers came out. These servers operate outside u.s. but you watch them inside u.s. you most likely wont see anything other than comcast cut your internet if your caught though.
0000111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have more information about that amendment? I'd like to do some research.
It's not illegal, but it's also not not illegal. In the United States, the issue of law has not been squarely decided yet. It's not really monetarily worth it for a company with copyrighted content to sue an individual, but at some point, some streamer is going to get sued by a company just out of spite, or to make an example, and whether or not the streamer wins the suit, they're going to have a very bad (that is, expensive) couple of years.
Netflix's business model was successful because they figured out the streaming thing long before everyone else could wrap their head around it. Now, the content library that they have is slowly shrinking, so they're trying to tread water as they shift over into having more and more exclusive shows.
They do make good content, and I want to support them as I want to support Game of Thrones (which I regularly pirate stream), but if it becomes less than feasible for me as a consumer then why should I bother?
If Netflix wants to continue to be ahead of the game, they need to change. If the industry wants to survive, then it all needs to change.
popcar2 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:42:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix in my region has significantly less content than US and EU. One time I payed one month and realized that it isn't as great as I thought it would be. I could use a VPN, but even that's not safe and a hassle so I'd rather not
I just checked, and I get 35%-38% of the content US Netflix has available. I'm in Britain. What the fuck, how can this be this hard?
a_hirst ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, this does my fucking head in. I also pay for Amazon Prime and despite paying for both, 50% of the time the stuff I actually want to watch isn't available on either. So guess what? I turn to places where they are.
Christ, I'd pay for a third bloody steaming service if it had more of the shows I want to watch, but more often than not they're only available to buy for an absurdly high price (yeah, I'm totally buying season 4 of The 100 for ยฃ24.99. That's a completely reasonable price for a single show) or they're not available at all.
The reason I pay for Netflix and Funimation. Especially since Funimation and Crunchyroll shared their library between each other. I can watch all the shows I want to for a price that won't break the bank
I totally agree with you. I was stating why the parent comment was getting downvoted. People will pirate anyways despite there being an easily accessible, affordable option. And those people will still try to justify their free loading to be morally right or some shit like that.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have access to my parents Foxtel account on my phone, and it's still just better and easier to pirate stuff.
It's not supposed to be chromecasted, so the quality sucks, day first episode of GoT came out they couldn't handle the demand etc.
3rdIGo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then cancel after the seasons over, duhhhhhh
SSFF6B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then get transferred over to retention where they shoot their mouths off convincing you that $100+ a month is a great deal?
No thanks.
3rdIGo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:49:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hbo now is a month to month subscription service that costs $15/month...you can easily cancel and restart lol...at this point you're just looking for an excuse to justify your behavior.
Literally just did that with Kimi no Na wa. Waited a while for it to become available on any UK streaming services, but no news of such, other than a Blu Ray in October.
Now that I've seen it, and it's good, I might buy the Blu Ray... if I had a player. I wanted to give them my money...
They might as well sell the rights to some platform that already exists or make it available for download on their website, i don't think that torrent will overcome its piracy image for this.
Whether that's referring to general shoujo-ai or Yuri on Ice, I'm pretty sure there are distinct lacks of legal sources for some of these in the United States.
Being a purest love American fan is hard. Luckily they're finally wising and up and localizing a bunch of yuri Manga, of which I'm glad to buy and support.
If I could pay for that level of convenience, I often would. Illegal methods are objectively better than legal ones, for non-financial reasons, in many cases.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem with that is that content creators want to perceive benefits for their work. So they will start moving to places that are gonna be really hard to pirate or they will stop making content.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
striminals can watch what they want, when they want, and where they want
I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Spotify, and HBO Now.
If it isn't on those, you better believe I'm watching it/listening to it illegally. I can't be expected to spend a vast fortune on these kinds o things.
No way, those services are like $15 each. So he's spending at most $60 a month for all that content. You can't get a cable subscription for that price with the inclusion of premium channels like HBO, plus the streaming services are pretty much ad free (not sure about amazon prime). And the cable company certainly doesn't give you access to a massive music catalogue as part of your monthly cable package.
Edit: seriously, can't wait to get shittier and shittier cheaply made shows. Just like journalism and music, apparently nobody sees a forthcoming issue with 'everything needs to be free and instant' business model. Quality gets fucked in the ass.
Because Netflix and Hulu don't pay for the shows they stream? Or Netflix and Hulu originals aren't quality? Or the fact that the premium channels bundle in their streaming service with their subscription?
minibum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These companies make billions a year and already have made some good content on their own. Where are you getting these assumptions?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you consider HBO ad free than amazon is ad free.
t8rtot01 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His user name is "iron Jew" lol. Even if it costs him one smeckle it would be over priced!
At about 10$ a week I get all the streaming I want. And was paying 135$ a month for comparable cable before. And if it's not on any of those, or easily available I'm not jumping through hoops for it. I'll download or just miss it.
I have Netflix in a plan with my friends, so it's not much. Amazon Prime I use for things other than just the movie selection, so I don't mind it. I'm currently affiliated with a University, so I only spend $50 a year for Prime. Spotify is about $10, and HBO Now is $14 a month. So I spend about $32 a month for all of those things. I'll probably drop HBO Now in Summer 2018, but I'm enjoying it at the moment.
Oh man, I may need to look into this. You know, for research purposes and whatnot.
WentoX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, share. I'm getting HBO free from a family member, and Netflix for a ยผ price from a friend. As soon as I get a gf you can bet your ass were gonna be sharing one Spotify account.
yeah but he also pays for an internet subscription to get access toa ll those services and that ain't free either
suddenly it looks about the same as cable
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h3yw00d ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:08:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for them, but for myself, I'd be paying for internet regardless of any streaming service. To me, internet is basically a utility in line with electricity, gas, and water.
Well you're gonna pay for internet either way. If you pay $60 for internet and $60 for streaming services, it still comes out cheaper than a cable and internet bundle from most providers. Looking at my options through CenturyLink right now, a comparable package is gonna cost $135 per month for a two-year commitment, and that price goes up after 12 months. Additionally, that doesn't include premium channels like HBO, music streaming like Spotify, ad-free content like Netflix, extensive VOD libraries like most streaming sites, and the additional benefits of an amazon prime membership. Not to mention that's having cable hooked up for one TV.
Cable bundles are obsolete and a waste of money, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
Of which those gaps exist in cable content regardless. I want to watch x show? Well they aren't showing new episodes, or the episodes I want, or the episodes they happen to be showing also happen to be the one I want, but I have to watch about 20-30% of the show's length in ads, and likely after the one or two episodes of x show the channel now has a different show I don't give a shit about.
DVR only goes so far in that it only downloads a certain amount of episodes, I still have to fast forward through the ads, and also there's no guarantee I'm getting the episodes I want regardless.
I would gladly pay more for streaming bundles than Cable, because streaming lets you pick and choose, binge, very few if any ads, it's just wholly better all around. Cable is outdated no matter what price it's at. If it was only about price people would go with free antennas anyway.
There's been exactly 0% of content that I miss with my Hulu, Amazon, Funimation, HBO, Netflix and Showtime subscription. Literally nothing that I want to watch that those services don't provide.
Easily double the amount of content you'd get from your cable company though: ad-free streaming, massive VOD catalogues, music streaming, and free shipping from Amazon.
Plus, I got amazon prime just for the free shipping. The video streaming is just gravy.
Soensou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention, your cable companies aren't giving you free shipping and ebooks. I have tons of free content on my kindle because of amazon prime. Like...it's really a lot more than you could ever hope to get from cable.
With Amazon prime, the total package would be around $160. And no, there are no ads on prime. But Prime dose include its own music streaming service and data cloud service also, so its own bundle by itself. Still cheaper than a cable sub.
Looks possible to me. Again, apologies if this isn't what everyone is talking about, but it seems that it's 10.99 a month for prime if you don't want to pay an annual fee
$50 if you have a .edu email address, right? That's the deal I got cause I needed some textbooks shipped ASAP so I signed up for prime for the cheap shipping.
Nuzid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, half off for students. Same with Spotify. I also share a Netflix account with three other friends so it's โฌ3/mo for me. Therefore I pay less than โฌ15 per month combined.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, MLB.tv, and PSVue during college football season, and I still have to pirate RuPaul's Drag Race, because fucking Viacom.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha well I don't actually mind other people using it since I can only really stream it in the evenings (Eastern US), but I only share it with friends irl. Sorry bud!
I only have Spotify and that's the free tier too. Its not my fault these shows are physically impossible to watch in my country aside from paying a very large sum and a long contract.
IanPPK ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 17:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Crunchyroll, Netflix, Amazon Prime (every so often), Spotify, and HBO Go (I got HBO for free with my internet package for a decent deal). I'll still pirate shows that are hard to get though.
its especially when one of those get the license to a show and botch the release... looking at you Netflix. Hell, CR STILL doesn't really provide as good of an experience as piracy.
Amazon Prime has some decent newer anime like Saekano for me recently and in the past I'd use Netflix to watch 'classics' (as in very popular from a few years ago or more) such as Death Note, Gurren Lagann, FMA:B. Kill La Kill etc etc and Crunchyroll tends to fill the gap of modern newly released anime that isn't on Amazon Prime and 'classics' that aren't on Netflix.
If it isn't on either of them (which can still be quite a lot surprisingly for very popular anime) I'll just use KissAnime.
You should get on that VRV service that cruchyroll has. For 14.99 (I think) you get access to funimation as well. There's a few other smaller channels in as well.
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To that end, I wonder how many striminals pay for streaming and only commit a strime when something's unavailable on their paid services. I know I'm in that category as well.
And the only reason they won't join Spotify/Netflix is because they're greedy cunts. I don't see why a greedy teenager is any worse than a greedy entertainment executive.
A few of my favorite artists have not posted their earlier albums or have pulled them or switched labels at some point so some of their early stuff isn't available. Or some artists have certain songs that were "exclusive" or "unreleased" but are everywhere on youtube, the pirate bay, soundcloud, etc. but not Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. There's these things called contracts, and they play a huge part in asset value.
Nobody in this thread understands how any of these business operate, but will offer countless ideas, that just serve get them what they want more easily and cheaply.
2brun4u ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they actually cared about viewership, those contracts are not difficult to modify. Hell, those same media companies change contracts on consumers all the time.
They don't change those contracts since they're still under the impression people will pay to bow down to them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The contracts with consumers are by the year, the ones between businesses are by the decade. Violating or breaking a contract can devalue the asset significantly, then providers won't have the means to provide anymore while they are trying to appease the investors because the ROR has dropped significantly or gone negative.
2brun4u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That only applied to when content could be controlled.
Now the companies that still abide by old systems deserve to have their assets devalued through the business cycle. Failure to innovate or update is not a reason to feel sorry for those firms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really argue there, failure to adapt is a serial killer in business.
I just think the customers, the business, and the numbers are far apart on the perceived value of the product. It will take time to work itself out, and part of that is waiting for contracts to expire.
If someone pays for porn they are either into some really insanely specific fetish, a pedo, or a cop.
immerc ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 17:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam shows that if you make it really easy to buy and play games you'll make a huge dent in game copyright infringement.
Now, compare games to Game of Thrones.
If I want to play the Game of Thrones game by Telltale, I can buy it on Steam, or for PS4, XBox, iOS, Android, etc.
If I want to watch the show, it's not available on Amazon, Netflix, Hulu or anything else with a lot of other shows by other studios. The only way to get it is to buy a huge bundle of other things I may not want.
When it's easier to get what you want by infringing copyrights than by going the legit route, you're going to get copyright infringement.
immerc ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can pay $15/month for Netflix with Star Wars movies, Star Trek shows and movies, Netflix originals, and lots of old shows by a huge variety of studios.
If I want to watch Game of Thrones, my only option is to pay $15/month for yet another service with much less variety from a single studio.
Imagine if to play FIFA I had to buy an EA Sports console that could only play EA Sports games, and there were no EA Sports games on PC, PS4, XBox, etc. Do you think many people would be buying that EA Sports console?
You can pay for HBO Now just when Game of Thrones is running. Your justification of not being able to watch it on "anything else with a lot of other shows by other studios" is just that, a justification.
When it's easier to get what you want by infringing copyrights than by going the legit route, you're going to get copyright infringement.
They make it very easy for you to legally watch their show, and don't charge you out the ass for it. Don't pretend it's on them, if you live in America.
immerc ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'm justified in thinking that it's not worth the price when you compare similar services.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting 10 episodes of GoT for like $45 total, at live airtime or whenever and wherever you want, that's pretty good. That's cheaper than the blurays which come out 6 months later. If you value the show $5/episode isn't bad if you absolutely won't try to watch any of their other offerings.
HBO makes premium content and if you don't want to pay for it, why do you deserve it free? What would you pay for it?
If HBO Now was available in my country I would buy it in a heartbeat.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rea557 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yea they are spending 6-8 million per episode. I get that "make it easy or I'll find a way" but HBO heard that and made it easy. Hell you can even wait until the season is all out rent it for one month and binge watch it all.
It's not at all easy to watch it for free legally compared to illegal streaming unless you do not know how to find streams easy which you clearly don't.
You can find GoT in 1080 minutes after it airs in 2 clicks. You can not do that legally, anywhere, period.
I was factoring in setting up and maintaining a VPN or something to protect yourself from prosecution, which clearly you don't.
Spuik ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:31:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it's not worth the price for you, you don't buy it. You also don't steal it because that's illegal and will just lead to studios only making franchise sequels because people aren't paying for anything else.
immerc ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright laws have been written and extended by Hollywood for decades now. It's supposed to be a balance between what's fair for society and what encourages new creativity.
I'm fine with resisting laws I don't believe in by breaking them.
Studios may well make franchise sequels, but they're already being challenged by people on YouTube, Twitch and similar services, and that's despite how unfriendly YouTube is to anybody without deep pockets.
You think they shouldn't hold a copyright for Game of Thrones?? A show that's still actively running?
immerc ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is owned by Time Warner, one of the big media conglomerates of the world, and possibly about to be acquired by AT&T, among the biggest in the telecom oligopolies.
They're exactly the kinds of companies that are lobbying to take rights away from the people.
If I were to infringe their copyright, it's not going to hurt them very much, but every little bit helps.
Ok, that's a completely different argument than the one above, which makes it feel like you're just hopping from argument to argument until you find the one that suits the decision you already made.
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's all the same argument, they're all just different aspects of the same problem.
Spuik ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are bound to be some people who don't like the law that assaulting thieves is prohibited. They might be perfectly fine with breaking laws they don't like. If someone beats you up for being a thief, the state will defend you and punish them even though they didn't believe in that particular law. It's good when people live by the common rules and laws even when they don't like each and every one of them.
Fuck that... Now I'm gonna go smoke my illegal weed, watch kodi, and sodomize my gf.
immerc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:50:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laws regarding theft and assault have been on the books more or less unchanged for centuries. Corporations haven't been buying politicians to allow them special exceptions for the use of theft and assault... at least not yet.
Copyright is another matter. Each time Mickey Mouse is about to enter the public domain, the copyright term gets longer. That is something that's not in the interests of the public, but only in the interests of the media oligopoly.
The way the system in the US is rigged, there's no realistic way to fight the corporations buying these types of laws. However, it's pretty easy to resist them by ignoring them.
Dude HBO Now has a lot of content from other studios, and their content is generally higher quality than netflix or prime. They have made it easy and reasonably priced to get GoT legally, and if you still arent paying for it then just admit you are the cheap bastard you are.
For the record, i also pirate media that is inaccessable otherwise
grubas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just upped and added on HBO to our package. HBO Go was included so I just entered the stuff into my Roku. Between Netflix and HOBOgo we have everything we need, because Hulu is utter trash and Amazon we don't order enough stuff from from for it to be useful. Plus my dad has my HBO info so he watches some of it at his house.
My Netflix account is ancient, so I have had it on about 12 different devices and at least 15-20 IPs over the near 10 years.
Dude, I hate to sound like a shill but Hulu has gotten way better than it was before. I used to be all about Netflix over Hulu but then I started paying not to see commercials and my experience vastly improved, and then Hulu started poaching tons of content from Netflix and now their catalogues are at least equal in value and it's just way better than it used to be. I am also an HBO go watcher and that's great but HBO doesn't put out tons of content, only the stuff that they do is almost guaranteed to be amazing, groundbreaking television. But if you're a voracious TV watcher Hulu is in no way deserving of scorn.
I mean...you can watch other things on HBO. And sure, it would be nice if you could watch the Game of Thrones as part of another package, but that's life. Just because want things to be convenient doesn't mean a service must cater to everyone's whims at the same time.
HBO Now is $15/mo and a season of GoT is, what, three months long at most? Pay the $45 and then cancel; that seems immensely reasonable.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because want things to be convenient doesn't mean a service must cater to everyone's whims at the same time.
Completely wrong. They want to sell their shit so they should cater to the customer needs. Thats basic capitalism 101.
Or do you have a good explanation why there shouldn't be a GOT-only package?
Spuik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it would probably be a popular package. That doesn't mean you're entitled to break the law and steal whatever you want until that package exists.
They do cater to their customer's needs. They give you an HBO-only streaming service for $15. What is the price point you think they should charge for a GoT-only package.
The customer is not always right; sometimes, they are just entitled and cheap.
Yeah I mean clearly their model is working for them well enough but you're pretty wrong about consumers being cheap. An individual can be cheap, but if the whole population decided that 15 wasn't a fair price for GoT then they aren't wrong, the company is.
That's fine, but it sure seems a large portion of the population is fine paying $15. If people talked with their wallets and didn't pay it, HBO would charge less. My point about the customer was in reference to the OP saying that he or she should be able to pay a different price for what is basically the same content and that HBO wasn't paying attention to their needs by not providing that option.
Lots of shows are available for purchase a la carte. That type of service has performed terribly. People want their content bundled because it's cheaper that way.
immerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright infringement is life too. Paying nothing seems even more reasonable.
I mean, sure, breaking the law is a part of life. That isn't remotely the point here. I could also come over and steal your computer and phone. I doubt you'd be so sanguine about it being an inevitable part of human existence.
immerc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:47:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is the victim and the perpetrator.
The victim in the case of copyright infringement of Game of Thrones is Time Warner, one of the major members of the media oligopoly in the US, and about to be acquired by AT&T, one of the major members of the telecoms oligopoly.
That distinction means absolutely nothing. You are stealing from someone you don't want to pay. Time Warner employs tens of thousands of people, most of whom are just working for a place and have lives and families that would be adversely affected by people not paying for the services they render. They don't and shouldn't care one iota about whatever BS distaste you have for their employer.
And beyond that, you are also screwing everyone involved in the making of GoT out of money. They don't get paid out of a charity; they get paid via fees their studio collects from HBO via Time Warner.
Again, just admit you are cheap and don't want to pay for things you enjoy. It's fine. But lazy, trite rationalizations for why you don't want to pay for something you like is a well-worn path.
immerc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To you it makes no difference. Maybe you consider corporations people. Maybe you've been effectively brainwashed. That's fine. I have a different opinion.
I sort of figured you'd devolve to this line of "reasoning". Keep thinking your half baked, trite libertarianism catchphrases and inability to understand how economies work make you immune to the reality that taking from others without paying is stealing and a pretty bad way to go through life. I was going to ask if you actually work, but then I realized that it doesn't really matter. This should have been a lesson you learned long ago, but I assume you think that's just more brainwashing.
immerc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:15:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you feel free to continue to follow laws passed by corporations in their own interests and against yours. Continue to accept the meager freedoms they allow you to have, and rail against anybody who doesn't fall in line.
I'm defending the creators of the work, in this case GoT. I don't have any love for TW, but they are the ones giving money and resources to create a work, and when you don't pay them they'll stop supporting that work. It's that simple.
And this insistence on treating all corporations as evil is silly and, in most cases, hypocritical. The vast majority of people comment here with using a phone created by multi-billion companies or on a computer made by other multi-billion dollar companies. The clothes you wear are probably from huge conglomerates, the food you eat, the car you drive, the music and games you enjoy. Some people do make conscious efforts to refrain from large corporate output, and so they have that leg to stand on (though based on personal experience, they tend to be proponents of paying a fair price for what they use).
And in most cases, the people that make up those companies, the day-to-day employees are just trying to do their job and get home by dinner. If you think not wanting to screw those people out of money for being part of a product I consume "bootlicking", then fine. I think that argument is full of shit and spouted off be either hypocrites or ignorant people, but so be it.
I guess my question to everyone who thinks not paying for "X" is fine is where is the line? Where do they make that distinction between supporting artists and producers and corporate greed? Who deserves your money (and I guess, where do you get your money from), and are you ready to accept the consequences if that decision (and similar ones) lead to something you like not being available anymore. Because those GoT books were written because enough people paid to buy them off the shelves initially. But they were published by Random House, a billion dollar company.
And for the record, I don't think I've ever watched an episode of GoT or read a page of the books. It's not remotely interesting to me. But I find it ironic that something so important to so many people is abused by it's fans to justify them not wanting to fork over a reasonable sum.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The distinction is very important; stealing 15$ from Time Warner is much better than stealing 15$ from some poor person... Neither is good of course, but one is clearly much worse.
There is no gradient on the stealing spectrum to me. It's all rationalizations, the same we heard when Napster was just breaking through and everyone said we were just taking from the record labels and "rich bands" like Metallica. It's taking because you don't want to pay for the product you like, and however you want to paint the victim doesn't change that fact.
By this line of argument, would it be better to punch your mom (assuming you like her) or your enemy's mom? Both are bad, but I guess one deserves it more because you don't like them.
The people who work for Time Warner, the vast majority of whom are not the executives that draw the ire of people, are still being stiffed by proxy. And if enough people stop paying for services, then these people will the first to lose pay or their jobs.
I will finish with the simple fact that people should pay for what they consume. If you don't think $15 is the right price, then don't pay for it and encourage to do the same. HBO will listen to the market, and if it's loud enough they'll drop their price. But if not, then trying to circumvent this fair system because you're cheap (and not saying you are, just the general person who claims that copyrights shouldn't matter) isn't some noble stand.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good lord, are you actually trotting out the "data wants to be free" line of reasoning here? There's only one GoT, and you don't want to pay for it.
V4DD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digital piracy isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. The original isn't destroyed and an infinite amount of copies can be created digitally.
That's not the point. The creators of the underlying work aren't being compensated properly by the consumers. The "it's an infinite resource of 1s and 0s" is a red herring to distract from the fact people aren't paying for something they are consuming because they don't want to.
V4DD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well a quick Google tells me that HBO is owned by Time Warner, and time Warner is pulling in over a billion in NET Income. So if the creators of GoT arnt getting payed properly, maybe they can bring it up to their execs because the money is most certainly there.
Because that money comes from people who pay for their services. You're asking those people to pay for those who don't pay but consume the product all the same.
I can tell this argument will go nowhere because you either don't want to, or can't, contemplate a world where people pay for goods and services they consume. So be it. Don't pay for whatever you want, it doesn't really matter to me. Just know you aren't a crusader for the righteousness of mankind; you're just a cheap person who doesn't want to pay for something they use.
You can buy each season to stream on Amazon. Not ideal, but its technically available.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digital prices are inflated and a horrible value.
Standard movie prices seem to be $20-$30 digitally. You get a movie restricted to some godawful service that doesn't let you download the file offline for backups or when you don't have data.
For the same $30, you can get the Blu-Ray filled with shitty ads for (next big movie) and piracy protections that don't play the movie if your television doesn't support it (HDCP is a cancer).
Meanwhile piracy is free, you get to keep the movie for whatever you want to do with it, and no ads for (next big movie).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Arzalis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness, it's not theft. It's copyright infringement.
People have been trying to equate it to theft for years, but it's not the same. Otherwise it'd just be called theft from a legal perspective.
I agree with a lot of comments on this thread, but not yours. GoT on HBO is vertically integrated; meaning they do everything from the production to the marketing to actually showing their product. It's up to you if you think the exclusives like GoT are worth the package deal. In this situation, the quality of the show directly correlates with the amount of subscribers, as that's their sole income source. If you think the price is too steep, that's on you. If I look at Netflix and think Stranger Things looks cool, but i'm not buying Netflix because they don't sell me Stranger Things separately, then that's on me. Netflix paid for that show to be made, and they count on the subscriptions to keep making the show. It's an entirely different rationale than a movie studio that's just trying to price gauge movies and goes sue crazy.
People can't download steam games through torrents if they want to play online/multiplayer versions.. that's why no one pirates them. You can't fucking pirate Battlegrounds and still play on live servers.
Also, anything broadcasted live/streamed has no copyright rules in most countries including the US. You can live stream yourself watching any movie, listening to any song, and playing any game and it's legal. Copyright rules only apply to recorded videos, like Youtube
Also, it is incredibly difficult to sue an individual for torrenting copyrighted material. How did they get the proof/information that you were doing in the first place? By spying on you? Or sending you malware? Yea, you can't really legally do that. What about all the people torrenting shit from other countries? You can't even sue them. This is the Internet, copyright laws should not and cannot apply the same way as they used to. What if it's a 10 year old kid doing it? Is the FBI gonna raid and bust his ass?
"where they want" especially, if you live outside the US you straight up cannot watch a lot of shows. Can't be losing them revenue if they were never making any here in the first place.
These kids don't remember trying to defend occupied France from the superior logistically complicated air, land, and sea amphibious assault on the beaches of Normandy, only to have our boys buzzed down by the damn Krauts and their Maschinengewehr 42s.
I already subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, HBO, and Amazon, and I still have a hard time ever finding the movie I want to watch on stream.
Spend 10 minutes searching every streaming service I have, only to be disappointed and empty-handed. Yeah, I'm gonna pirate, but not for lack of trying to be legit.
"Watch what they want, when they want, where they want..."
That is exactly what I want to do. And I'd be willing to pay for it if you offered it.
But since different streaming services offer different programs, and I'm not subscribing to like seven different services, I'm not paying for it until you guys figure this shit out.
Lol. Net neutrality needs to be saved unless you want to pay 20 dollars on top of the 60 dollar base bill just for media like Reddit, 20 more for gaming, 20 more for video streaming, and all that being throttled because you didn't cough up the extra 50 dollars for premium unthrottled internet.
No, it's going to be Premium Unthrottled Internet* for $59.99.
*Limit2GB/mo.
Serinus ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be more like 50GB per month.
Of course 4k movies will be 20-50GB each. And wait until games get to 4k. Anyone use twitch.tv? That will be 4k some day.
Their end game is to implement caps that seem almost reasonable now, and then wait for new tech to start hitting those caps regularly. Then they'll start saying "but the infrastructure is so hard and expensive!"
At that point they offering exemptions for their own cable services (which also work through the same internet, by the way). Then they're back to their old cable TV model and they're happy.
50gb yeah good luck with that. I use like 50 gb just for one xbox game. I mean I can see it happening i America here in the UK idk if the sky/virgin would do that. Literally everyone downloads xbox/playstation games these days theyre would be an uproar if they tried to implement it here.
Serinus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So maybe they'll make it 200gb or 250 instead. And then it won't really kick in until 4k becomes the norm, and it'll just be "the price for 4k".
The fuck does this mean? 4k assets? You can play games natively at 4k and it doesn't require bigger game files because it isn't prerecorded content, it's all rendered by the engine
Serinus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be a small nuance that's incorrect, but the point stays the same. Game files are going to get bigger just like video.
WentoX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When in reality, the only infrastructure that's is difficult and expensive to deal with is the one throttling your internet.
Because it would literally cost them less to give everyone unlimited, they just wouldn't earn as much because they couldn't market the same product to different customers.
I had to change my font size to 'huge', take a screenshot, and irreparably scorch my retinas by pressing my phone into my face to read this. I'm not even mad
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying I'd be a striminal, but I'd definitely join an underground internet service provider ring where my streaming wasn't being limited in order to watch free tv from various illegitimate tv sources.
I certainly wouldn't grow a mohawk and wear tight yet skimpy leather outfits in order to ride on the outside of poorly built and incredibly fuel inefficient vehicles in a dessert where we worship increasingly rare fossil fuels and drying up broadband connections.
We most definitely wouldn't travel state to state fighting explosive car battles and raiding various server locations just to get those fresh episodes of game of thrones and Rick and Morty.
That'd be silly, just charge me the 19.99 monthly streaming service charge for each show.
Also considering that the internet is now a utility, practically speaking, anything that damages it or impedes access is directly equivalent to impeding access to electricity, or fresh water.
It's a necessity for people & businesses, for infrastructure. Which means that in political terms, net neutrality is a pillar of democracy.
Loosing it would take America a few steps closer to being a dictatorship.
Exactly. It would be like restricting access to the best technology in the world and only the richest people can afford it. Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
It's like cable TV. It's not something that's 100% going to happen, but I can imagine it very well could down the road, if not immediately. Nothing bad could happen if the laws stayed in place, and it would help protect the future of the internet. If they are removed, they are gone, and the companies would fight nail and tooth to keep them gone if we ever tried to get them back. This could happen. It's more about what could happen. There's nothing set in stone on what would happen, just that the laws protect it. We can't lose it, not yet.
There's nothing set in stone on what would happen, just that the laws protect it
So my question is, instead of handing more power to the government, why don't we nullify non-compete contracts between local governments and ISPs and allow more competition? Then we can at least see what a free market in internet looks like and I have no doubt that when ISPs actually have to compete, that there is going to be at least one competitor who doesn't offer content packages, which makes the incentive to even do that pretty moot. Let's not forget that LTE and satellite internet is already available almost anywhere. I see NN as a solution looking for a problem, and if we keep hammering NN, the broadband market will just stagnate like the telecom industry. Still to this day, telephones have a lower quality audio, despite being a dedicated service vs internet/satellite communication, and it all comes down to FCC restrictions on the market. Also note that we could have had cell phones 40 years, but AT&T put the kibosh on that using the FCC.
I feel like everyone is arguing over this, without knowing that we're fighting a battle between two large industries for a funding model. It's a battle between ISPs and large consumers like Netflix to see who is going to foot the bill and the consumer is being propagandized to believe one or the other, because populism is a cancer and industry's special interests know how to play people like a fiddle.
Competition is exactly what we need, and a good example of what would happen if there wasn't competition is what happened with Obamacare, being that one healthcare company would have Monopoly over the entire state, and could charge whatever they want. There was other options of course, but they wouldn't get the government funding for their healthcare, not the best example actually. Still. We don't want that happening with internet. That's why people want NN to stay, without fully understanding other options. Your right, populism is working. Very well actually. Not for us though.
Your right, populism is working. Very well actually. Not for us though.
Right, which to my point, cronies within government and corporate interest are exploiting populism, which is simply a common modality of populism. If you can convince other people to fight your battles for you, it's basically a free subsidy for a given entity's lobbyism cost. I think my main point is, that exclusion to competition is the root of these problems, including healthcare costs and I see solutions like NN to only embolden special interests in the end, given that it's is a conduit for buying favors in the future. On it's face, NN gives us the instinct that it's a good thing, but like every other movement couched consumer advocacy language, there's an ulterior motive which will end up being the tool of fascists in the future.
At the very least, if people are going to champion NN, I would also like to see more acknowledgement of the root problem rather than band-aids that only ease the pain of the symptoms, because I'm rarely seeing it. Furthermore, if I mention this, people think I'm some sort of Comcast shill, when the truth of my position is much more complicated than that and in fact I'm putting the burden of cause on Comcast and their public sector cronies themselves =P
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waste your time writing a representative and get completely ignored because all our politicians are in the back pocket of greedy CEO's. Great idea bud!
Stupid millennials, don't they know the most important part of growing up is going to mediocre restaurants and then yelling at your 17 year old waitress and the manager when she gets your order wrong?
puckslut ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i have a buddy that always insists on eating out. im not paying 30 bucks for a meal and one beer when i could get a fucking 30 rack of rolling rock and an extra large pizza or two for the same price
It's almost like your generation understands the value of a dollar. Back in my day we'd go to Applebee's, catch a movie, buy an entire car, go to Epcot, and have over 300 channels of high quality worthless entertainment dictated by Cablor, the Mighty God of Cable, and by god we paid as much as possible fer it!*
My coworker constantly begs me to go out after work for dinner and drinks. Once in a while is fine but a few times a week is way too much. And she wonders why she can't seem to get out of debt.
I just did my meal prep for the week with my boyfriend yesterday. 7 days of meals and only $80of groceries. Why would I spend half of that on one meal at a restaruant?
Amen, I see my coworkers spending all their money on Starbucks in the morning, Jimmy Johns for lunch and dinner/drinks after work. That's like $20-40 every single work day. I just can't wrap my head around why one would throw so much money away.
I've never been to any of those places, if I'm going out I don't want it to be casual. I want to go to an actual restaurant & have a meal that doesn't come out a box.
Plus, the impression I get from people like Jon Stewart, Trevor Noah, & Stephen Colbert is that these brands are shit. They're treated like running jokes.
ARIZaL_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ate at a buffalo wild wings once. The inside of a drumstick was raw and cold, and they couldn't get a basic hot buffalo wing right. Sorry for not eating your shit, and coming back for seconds. Your target demographic of people who eat frozen food designed to sit on a shelf for a month died with cold war bunkers.
Right? I called DirectTV a couple years back asking if I could just buy Sunday Ticket. They told me no and that I need to buy one of their packages and add Sunday Ticket. Wtf? I am trying to give you guys money, just take it!! I'm not going to buy all these chanels that I will literally never watch. Now I just stream football on free websites after I was more than happy to pay for it.
To be fair to DirecTV (even if they don't deserve it), that is likely not in their control. That stuff is all negotiated through lots of very powerful entities. DirecTV doesn't have sole discretion to sell someone else's product (in this case, the NFL) whenever and however they want. I'm sure they would have taken your money if they were legally allowed to.
You can buy Sunday Ticket online only even if you're not a Directv customer. I got it free a few seasons ago for buying a deluxe version of Madden 25. It's not worth it. Just use /r/nflstreams
If you really want Sunday Ticket you can do what I did for 2015 and 2016. I searched on DirecTV's website entering addresses until I found one that couldn't get DirecTV because it was an apartment building whose "landlord doesn't allow dishes" or some such thing.
Changed one of my credit card's mailing address to that address. Made sure I was signed up for paperless billing so they wouldn't get my statements.
Capital One took 24 hours for the change to go though. Go on DirecTV website and now you're eligible for Sunday Ticket To Go, their streaming service.
I'm a Pats fan and his noodly goodness provides 1080p streams with less lag than even DirecTV so I'm not doing Sunday Ticket this year.
Just have everyone license the same material (perhaps with limited exclusivity), the better service wins.
Excal2 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my ideal solution. Standardize the regulations about how to license content creation, force the licenses to be available for every service (at some point), and open the market to actual competition between content delivery services.
Limited exclusivity is totally fine, but the fact that they carve up all the content into different services is absurdly unappealing. Cable channel packages are a huge reason that people are dropping cable in the first place, but they turn around and keep trying the same old solutions.
JD-King ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so slimy how the packages are organised too. They could easily group it by watching habits. All your Hallmark and Lifetime shit in one package, Sports in another Spike on another. But noooooo. Base package has half the channels you like and a bunch you don't and the next package up has some other channels you like and a bunch you don't.
Except allowing the services to compete for exclusive licenses funnels money back in to the content creators, and supports innovation. Forcing licenses to open to all providers is anti-competitive. It reduces the value of the contacts, even short term exclusive ones. And reduces the need for the providers to compete. Everyone is offering the same thing. They'll be charging the same price. They have nothing novel to offer other than a user interface.
I get it, you want to see all the stuff and you want it all in one place. That would be nice. But that's not "free market." Because it actually limits the market's ability to compete. You would have less need to choose between providers.
Excal2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good point. Maybe a Steam style interface where I could compile my own library of streamed content that I have a license to watch.
So I subscribe to a few different services like Netflix, Hulu, and HBOGo, (think like Steam, Origin, and GOG), but I like one of their interfaces best so I can have a library of shows and movies in one spot even if they run through different services.
That way you're not limiting competition but you're still encouraging services to improve the user experience. Origin and UPlay and GOG really got their shit together in terms of offering a user experience that can rival Steam's (established player base / communities / friends lists notwithstanding), because they were getting crushed in sales.
EDIT: There are obvious technical challenges here but I think it would be do-able if there was a standard format for streaming content.
You people are woefully unaware of how difficult it is to negotiate terms around IP and licensing
Then the people who make it hard should get their shit together if they want to sell anything. Simple as that. Sometimes they do and then they get paid.
Sometimes the block what I want to watch in my country on the paid platform that I use and don't even tell me where else I should watch it, so I end up looking for my own sources or just not watch their stuff. Depends on how much I want to see it. Either way they won't see my money if they don't offer me an easy way to give them money.
If possible I even trick their platforms to make me seem like I am from "the right" country so I can watch the stuff I want on the paid platform that I pay for. That's extra effort from my side to pay for what I watch. They should thank me for that. But when the paid platform that I use then starts putting effort into stopping me from doing even this, I really don't see why I should put in any more work to pay them.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's difficult for the business doesn't mean you should expect the consumers to "understand".
I pay for Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Sling. I almost never use any of them because I have Kodi on my computer and phone and can do everything in 1 simple to use app.
Netflix is great just because it works well anywhere and everywhere, they just need a better way of showing more relevant content.
Hulu, Amazon, and Sling are all basically shit compared to using Kodi. So I really only use them as backups for when Kodi gives me issues.
If there was a "streaming service reseller" they could aggregate accounts together and design an application where from the consumer's perspective they are paying and browsing for 1 service. When you sign up for this service, you check the boxes of the services you want (ie. Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc) and this will determine your monthly bill, but once you actually start using the service everything will be part of 1 large combined library. This way all of these streaming services can still operate exactly the same as they already are. There are tons of logistics to go behind this, but I thing we will see a service in the very near future that offers something comparable.
goh13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:46:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rockstar loses a sale
That is like saying Rockstar loses a sale for every poor gamer who can not afford their games. If they can not even buy it, how is a sale lost? A lost sale is someone who likes to buy open world games and can only buy one and he bought Skyrim and not GTA or someone who pre-ordered the game but due to new developments, canceled their pre-order.
It's not because they have brain damage or are disorganized or whatever you mean by "get their shit together".
The end goal of all those people is to sell me their product. If they can't manage to agree on some terms under which they work together to sell me their product it's their problem, not mine. I am here, willing to pay if given a reasonable possibility to do so.
I'll however not move around half the globe to be in "the right place" just to pay them 10$.
If someone pirates Rockstar's 'Manhunt' game in revolt, the Australian government loses nothing, Rockstar loses a sale, and the strict law remains to prevent access to future content. Is that fair?
That's a really bad example, as somebody already said below: Nobody in Australia was supposed to ever pay Rockstar for Manhunt, by law.
So Rockstar doesn't lose a sale.
But I think the vast majority of geo locking is not about this kind of restriction and more about the "we build a super localized distribution system in the pre-internet era and now our industry is so used to it that the new possibilities of just releasing stuff global at the click of a mouse is completely incompatible with this whole mess we build".
Which is the industries problem, not the customers.
And in fairness to the industry: They are starting to slowly adapt. Netflix is just one example of that. I've started to pirate a lot a LOT less in the recent 5 to 10 years, simply because workable legal solutions have become available and it never was about those 10$ to begin with.
Spuik ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see why I should put in any more work to pay them.
Because you want the product?
When you go to the market to get a pineapple and the vendor tells you he only accepts cash, you can tell him that it's a dumb business model and that he's gonna lose your business. If you proceed to take a pineapple and not pay because cash is too difficult for you, you are an asshole and probably shouldn't expect the guy to keep coming back with more pineapples.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pineapples are a physical product with limited supply, this comparison is idiotic and wrong. If I can't afford a pineapple, and I take one, the vendor has one less pineapple. If I can't afford a movie, so I download it for free, literally nothing changes.
Spuik ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't afford a movie, you should work towards improving that. When stealing is socially acceptable, lazy people have less incentive to create something of value to the society. So when you stole Lilo & Stitch last night, you literally caused an economic crisis.
If you can't afford a movie, the owner if the IP says you're not allowed to pay for a movie because you live in the wrong country, you should work towards improving that.
FTFY. Because it's totally reasonable to expect someone to move to the United States to be allowed to pay for movies they can get for free online and for which there's literally no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay for and view from their own country. That's not totally fucking insane. Or anything.
And working to ensure people around the world don't get to see those movies or shows at all unless they do move is obviously the reasonable solution. /s
"If I can't afford a movie, the IP owner refuses to take the money I'm trying to give him for a movie because I'm from the U.K., so I download it for free, literally nothing changes."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's totally different because it's copyright infringement instead of stealing, never mind the fact that the pineapple guy probably cares more about the loss of profit as opposed to what it's called.
Edit: Oh for fuck's sake, /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe your an overly contentious, arrogant tool that loves to condescend and I have no desire to waste my time trying to teach nuance to an imbecile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You come off like an arrogant little shit who wants desperately for someone to see past his asshole exterior and see him for the genius he so desperately wishes he was. That's not going to happen because you're*, in reality, a contentious little prick that comes off as arrogant and condescending and will never learn anything of value because you think you're always right and everyone else is stupid. And, you've learned just enough of the English language to obfuscate any actual dialogue in the interest of convincing yourself you're right. Of course I didn't engage you in a discussion. It was always pointless. I just wanted to call you the moron you so clearly are.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's totally different because it's copyright infringement
Not sure what's 'totally different' here besides the name.
You don't want to put effort in to buy a product, therefore you steal the product instead. That is the comparison and it is perfectly applicable here.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading a movie is not the same as stealing a fucking pineapple, you absolute moron.
The equivalent is sneaking into a movie or concert without paying. Yeah, if you get caught, the charge won't be "theft," it will be "trespassing" or something, but society has agreed that it's wrong.
The mental gymnastics used in this thread to justify torrenting is crazy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright Infringement is not as bad as stealing is...
I'll even humor you, though, and still destroy your argument:
Disney will definitely care more if you infringe on their copyright of Mickey Mouse, then if you stole Mickey Mouse merchandise from Disney World.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when you download a movie?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so do we compare things when two thing are exactly the same?
I think you miss the entire point of comparisons. My comment clearly explains the similarities.
But next time I steal a pineapple I won't spend so much time trying to install it onto my computer, thanks for the heads up.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they're literally and objectively not comparable situations, I don't see where the confusion is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to put effort in to buy a product, therefore you steal the product instead. That is the comparison and it is perfectly applicable here.
There's literally and objectively my comparison. Why is it literally and objectively not possible?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use your brain and think about what happens when you steal a physical object vs what happens when you download a movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh. Anonymity. Yes, that means It's not illegal, and it isn't stealing! Thanks.
Although I could be wrong about guessing what point you're trying to make because you still haven't made a single argument to prove my comparison wrong.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it has nothing to do with anonymity. I refuse to spoon feed this to you like you are a child. What is the difference between downloading a movie and stealing a physical, tangible thing?
You are going to answer this question yourself because you are not the kind of person who listens to other people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude.. What is your point. You are not proving my comparison wrong whatsoever.
WOW, one things real and one thing is data. Is this seriously the point you are making? Are you for real?
Can you explain how that proves my comparison wrong?
You don't want to put effort in to buy a product, therefore you steal the product instead. That is the comparison and it is perfectly applicable here.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to the vendor of a real product when you steal it? And what happens to the vendor of a digital product when you make a copy of it without paying?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you the fucking riddler? Read what I've wrote. Every sentence you make is a roundabout way of repeating what you've already said, and my answer is the same, and again and again you don't prove any of it wrong.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not answering my questions. Let me rephrase it.
Let's say you have one pineapple. I steal your pineapple. How many more pineapples are you able to sell?
Now let's say you have a digital movie. I copy your movie. How many more movies can you sell?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ofcourse there is a difference, but they still lose profit. You are still stealing a product. It's not as if it's free to produce, market and broadcast the show. It makes a difference. And I don't see how your explanation makes any difference to the point I'm making, seems like a straw man to me..
They're not giving you the option to pay them if you want to, you are just taking the easy, free option because you want to. And its because you don't agree with their practices. Bullshit. If that is the case don't watch the show.
If the show is too compelling to avoid, buy their product.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't lose profit if the person infringing wasn't going to buy it in the first place.
Lmao, yes they do. You are enjoying everything about the product, without purchasing it. If I buy the product and you don't, I have spent money that I've earned to enjoy this product, and you are doing it for free, because you aren't paying for it - not because you don't have to - but because you don't want to.
then they aren't losing any profit. Get it?
No, they are. They produce it to make money. You watch it without paying a dime. They are not making money, and you are enjoying the thing they've invested into and many have worked hard on, for free... Because you want to, not because you have any right to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh yea baby I'd pay the shit out of a service that had ever show I could think of for streaming. Netflix was almost there then all the other guys decided they need to create their own exclusive version. Also, I've never "striminaled" a Netflix show.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the corporations control the market, they control the terms, and they dictate those terms to consumers in an unfair way. They are not the creators, they are the middlemen. There is a reason that, in the rare case that media creators sell directly to consumers, they have none of these problems.
wanting to consume hours and hours of content for free
Straw man. We understand that this content should be paid-for, and many of us are willing to do exactly that, except there's often no way to pay for it. The music industry understood this and moved to kill Napster and chums by providing decent streaming services for a monthly fee. The TV and movie industries are still stuck in their self-defeating little fiefdoms, where getting a new show on Netflix means having to remove a bunch of other content from a competing studio.
If people just boycotted the content entirely, the studios would simply conclude that it isn't popular, and will stop making it, then we all lose. By illegally consuming the content, we provide a strong signal that it is desirable, thus giving the studios an incentive to keep on making it. Unfortunately, they refuse to connect the dots and make their content universally accessible for a reasonable fee, and instead they try to crack-down on the illegal consumers.
kihadat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said. Of course it looks like the very clear warning that piracy is how we get net neutrality abolished is going in one ear and out the other on here.
Umarill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice wall of text, but tell me how I am supposed to pay for stuff that is not even available in my country? I pay for Netflix & Amazon Premium, yet tons of shows are not even available here in France.
Wanted to pay for DB Super, not a single anime site publishes them even though it's all over the US and in most of the Europe, because the rights are held by a TV channel, and they broadcast the dubbed version which is both awful and 50 episodes behind.
So stop being so self-centered, the world isn't the US, lots of us already pay for streaming services but we can't access a lot of stuff. People like you who think in black and white are a much bigger problem to the issue. Don't tell me "get a VPN/proxy", it's even more against term of services and I'm not gonna pay even more to access stuff I already pay for, especially since they regularly get figured out and banned.
The movie/TV industry is a decade behind, and blaming the customers is hilarious. Licensing is an issue because they want to and are greedy fucks that prefer fucking over their customers because a seller was willing to pay more, even if the show is on a fucking obscure TV channel with no rebroadcast and no way to watch it in the original language. There's no technical issues that forces them to act like this, just money, and I'm definitely not gonna pay more because they want more in their pocket when I already pay for everything.
Funny how I literally never have to torrent games or music anymore since we have two great platform in Steam and Spotify which I'm happy to pay for, but movies and TV show are still a mess. $$$
If the companies won't offer the product at a reasonable price (eg importing from overseas is too pricey), and it's a product that can be nondestructibly copied. Then obviously the company didn't want my money in the first place, since the most important aspect of selling something is providing a good product for the fitting amount of money.
I don't want free content (although that is fun too of course, just usually is of lower production quality), I want content for a reasonable price and availability.
By the way, if you didn't speak so demeaning you would be more popular.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not many people pirate music as opposed to other entertainment forms because of services like Youtube and Spotify where you can get it all easily and for free, albeit with ads.
Personally if I got to play a video game for free but was interrupted by ads every so often, I don't think I would mind it. Same with watching a movie or TV show: we already do that!
Or just end exclusivity. If you licence it to one company you're legally required to licence it to everyone else withing some short (couple of weeks?) timeframe, for at most the same price.
Once it's been licenced to one company it must be licenced for distribution to anyone who wants it for ~5 years after release.
Content producers get their money, you get lots of competition in the distribution space, consumers only need one or a small number of distribution service subscriptions.
Until something sensible like the above is implemented, ie a consumer centric system, I'm not giving the producers with bad licencing models a dime.
People had the same contrarian holier than thou attitude when it came for music too. Guess what? The Music industry got its shit together. We have spotify, pandora, itunes is finally (less) shit. I don't pirate music at all anymore because I have convenient options to pay for it.
In fact I'm not a big tv show guy so I don't pirate movies/tv, so by all accounts im the person you're talking about in that entire rant you call a post. However you're just lazily shifting all of the blame from the company to the consumer, while complaining about the other side for doing the opposite. Reality is the fault lies in both the consumer and the provider, the provider being the one with a real opportunity to change.
Oh and blaming pirating for NN being in jeopardy is such a blatant stretch its unimaginable. Yes pirating is the reason why NN is in jepordy, has nothing to do with the very same providers you're defending wanting to eliminate competition like Netflix. They want NN gone so they can eliminate competition, force internet services to pay ransom buyouts for faster speeds, throttled connections to websites they don't like, and to add new tiers of service for people to buy ("Buy our television package and get the fastest speeds to HBOgo, Netflix, and Hulu!").
Your entire post reeks of corporate boot licking, desperate to paint telecoms and channel providers as the true victims when they are unwilling to take any change. They have the music industry as a model for what to do, they can do it or they can die.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, no.
First of all, this entire thread is about how if legal avenues to access media weren't shit, we wouldn't have to pirate. Don't call us greedy for allegedly consuming hours and hours of content without paying, as you put it.
An episode of a TV show airs, but is unavailable anywhere legally because the cable network that aired it has exclusivity rights. When somebody goes to download it, then people get mad and call it theft. If I could've, I would've fucking paid for it.
The fact of the matter is that the paid experience is a worse experience than the stolen one. DVDs? Previews, antipiracy warnings, the nuisance of physical media, copy protection, etc. Downloaded illegally? Hit fucking play.
What legal, corporate-scale players in this market can, yet often fail to do is create an experience better than the simple and free (yet illegal) way of downloading. Curated content, user libraries, streaming platforms, cross-device functionality, mobile apps and casting devices, tracking of your progress along a show, opportunities to engage in discussions, etc. are all ways to sell media to people that can't be fucking stolen. But no, it's greedt millenials faults yet again. Literally everything on this list is something Steam does with video games and Steam has probably prevented orders of magnitude more piracy than DRM ever has.
Furthermore, no amount of righteous, honest, Americanโข boycotting to make our voices heard will fix this. Misinformation exists at every turn, especially from veiled corporate interests, but also from government representatives, internet bloggers, and stupid Reddit posters like you and I. It is downright impossible to have a grassroots media boycott when the very thing you are boycotting is how you can best get the word out.
No one is advocating "More piracy; it's the best!" We are simply giving people that are out of the loop a reason as to why it is happening. The part that you don't seem to get is that most of us are not wired to blindly accept the world for what it is.
Almost all crimes begin with a "need" (or "want") that isn't being met, so an illicit path to the same goal is constructed. We are looking at something like prohibition. There is a need for something, and the public has found an illicit path to it. In the case of online piracy, not only is the probability of being caught stupidly lowโreaching the goal is easier and often better than doing it the legal way, and the negative impact on specific individual people is diluted to an almost undetectable margin (kind of like wasting finite resources or pollution). You can't just set this scenario up and expect people not to do it. That would be stupid. The best way to fix the problem is by removing the need to obfuscate the law in the first place.
Now, I believe that killing net neutrality IS the answer that the industry has put forward. We have no idea what itโs going to be like, but with more control over a content delivery system, they should be able to funnel everything into one market better than they do now. However, thatโs wishful thinking, and most of us are still pissed off with this answer. Many would liken it to killing a mosquito with a hand grenade. We also have doubts about the collateral damage this is going to cause, and with good reason.
People are fighting back with piracy because itโs their only real way of saying โFuck Youโ to greedy corporations while generating very few negative side effects. So sure, go ahead and give us the typical lecture about being a model citizen, and how to grab your ankles when the media industry wants exclusivity and region locking.
Not me, thoughโfuck that. If itโs them versus pirates, Iโm siding with the pirates.
TL;DR: Your greed is destroying good things the same way the telecom greed is destroying good things. Be introspective and "be the change you want to see".
You're pointing the finger at the wrong people. The greed is in entirely coming from the content owners, not the consumers. It's not greedy for consumers to want content as easily and cheaply as possible.
Arguments like yours propping up the greed of content providers are the reason net neutrality will go away, NOT piracy.
It's greedy when you won't pay $8 a month for HBO GO but then go and torrent GOT.
Literally sacrifice one fucking sandwich a month and you can have everything those greedy content creators at Time Warner offer on demand anytime / anywhere.
It's greedy when you won't pay $8 a month for HBO GO but then go and torrent GOT.
Although I have no issue with the HBO service, I'll continue to use your example:
It isn't greedy on the part of the consumer when HBO refuses to distribute through anything other than HBO GO. There are a host of reasons completely unrelated to content that could cause somebody to not be willing to shell out 8 bucks a month for HBO GO. Quality of service, quality of platform, quality of the player, etc. And that's without even discussing how quickly the cost stacks up when you add in Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, CBS, Showtime, Starz, etc, etc, etc.
If HBO doesn't want their stuff pirated, they need to distribute their content through common channels that people want to use.
But then again, this is the whole reason content distribution was trust-busted away from content creation back in the old movie house days. Monopolistic behavior and greed on the part of the content producers.
Granted, the way they "fixed" the issue didn't do consumers much in the way of favors, but the idea is the same.
If they want to remain in business, they need to cater to their consumers. If they try to force their consumers to conform to a business model their consumers do not want, the consumers will either boycott altogether, or pirate the content.
Given how greedy you all are, wanting to consume hours and hours of content for free, I'd argue that outcome is forever off the table.
I doubt it's pure greed. They just donโt value the content at the rates being charged for it. If the piracy options were off the table, they just wouldnโt be watching at all rather than paying the extortionate rates. These things are just meant to idly kill time, people donโt value idle time sinks that highly. If you take one away theyโll just find another time-sink. Theyโre not exactly hard to come by.
When I was in college I didnโt have a TV and streaming media was in its infancy. By the time I graduated I had basically kicked the habit of watching TV entirely and had no interest in paying for a cable subscription. Free access to my friendโs Netflix account while in Grad School was the only thing that had me give it a try again, and since I found a few shows I liked I was willing to subscribe once I got a job and started earning money.
If the content folks were super anal about preventing me from streaming off friendsโ accounts they wouldnโt have gotten a paying customer today, they would have had a potential customer never get into the habit of using their service who reads more books and plays more video games instead. Netflix and HBO both know this, which is why they donโt push the issue very aggressively. Theyโd rather you get hooked young and start paying once youโre earning and donโt need to rely as much on the largesse of friends and family.
Sure the business model may be difficult, but thatโs their problem and they should be the ones making the sacrifices to make it work. Not society at large or the broader culture. If entrenched interests didnโt lobby so hard to have an insanely restrictive legal climate around IP the business of streaming would have probably been easier, but thatโs the world they built for themselves.
No but don't you understand? I want to subscribe to a single service for $10 a month that gives me every possible thing I would ever want to watch. Why is that so hard?
People are entitled assholes. The cost of subscribing to every single streaming service that has original content combined is less than your typical cable package. It's cheaper and easier than ever to legitimately access high quality content.
The shitstorm when net neutrality goes away and all of the streaming services and internet providers bump the prices for their stuff, and compartmentalize access is going to be legendary. People won't know how good they have it until it's gone.
I tend to get into arguments with my brother over this same thing. I pay for stuff, he doesn't. However, as he's gotten more stable income over the years he's started paying for content more and more. Free is great and all, but nothing is made for free - which includes the things you like and want to see more of.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you live, but good streaming services are incredibly convenient. I can access it from any device I own - phone, PC, gaming console, tablet etc - from anywhere I can get internet access. For the price of basic cable I can subscribe to 3-4 of the most popular services with the most content. Netflix is even experimenting with content download so you can watch shows offline.
If that's not available in your country, take it up with the reasons why good services can't establish themselves there - laws, licensing, network infrastructure, etc. Anything else is simply a misunderstanding of what a streaming service is. It's content subscription, not ownership.
Koiq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are cancer and are clearly missing what everyone is saying. The IP licensing is the fucking issue. We are aware of how hard it is, that's what we want to change.
Feature sets, quality, and even stability vary between the three major brands. For example, Amazon has a "skip back (about) 10 seconds" and a "skip forward 10 (or so) seconds" button. Hulu has a skip back button, and Netflix has nothing. If that were a feature I cared about, Amazon Prime would get my dollars.
But if I cared more about getting a 4k stream, Netflix would probably win. Or if I cared about sharing my account with my family but not having their viewing history mess up my own suggested viewing, for example, Netflix or Hulu would win, but Amazon would get nothing.
Exclusivity agreements are bad for consumers. No one wants a single service to have literally everything while the rest do not.
What people want is real choice to access all their shows. There should be multiple streaming options that have almost all the shows available, so people can choose their streaming service based on quality of service provided, not because there is nowhere else to get a given show.
I pay for Google Music and Pandora. Both have different strengths and different weaknesses. I'm willing to pay for two different services as long as they're both really good at what they do. Not just because they have exclusive content.
Multiple competing services is a good thing, but having many extraneous services isn't beneficial if most of them only exist due to exclusivity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but on the other hand, so what?
Steam arguably has a monopoly, and it's pretty good for the consumer. You know what would suck, is if you had to install a different shop app (Uplay, Origin) for each developer. Just one shop app is all I can tolerate.
I consider monopolies absolutely necessary for the internet. Imagine of Google could only index some sites, and you had to go Yahoo to search others. Or if you had to install 20 different operating systems to use 20 different apps.
Comcast. ISP's have a monopoly and look how great for the consumer they are.
Steam arguably has a monopoly, and it's pretty good for the consumer. You know what would suck, is if you had to install a different shop app (Uplay, Origin) for each developer. Just one shop app is all I can tolerate.
Steam doesn't have a monopoly. And we do have to install Uplay, Blizzard, Origin, ect for certain games. Steam also competes with physical media.
I consider monopolies absolutely necessary for the internet.
Comcast.
Imagine of Google could only index some sites, and you had to go Yahoo to search others. Or if you had to install 20 different operating systems to use 20 different apps.
I don't disagree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very easy to argue that Steam has a monopoly, because it basically does. You just described all the major pseudo-shop apps that pretend to but don't really compete with it and then added 'etc.'
Steam is basically the only major digital retailer for games. Some of the biggest publishers simply use their own shop apps for their own games. And, they're all a pain in the ass. Having Battlenet, Origin, and Uplay all installed is annoying. Where as only having steam installed is convenient. If every publisher did what Blizzard, EA, and Ubisoft do, it'd be a damn mess for consumers.
Comcast.
A completely different kind of monopoly. This is more like Microsoft or Google or any of the other real monopoly holders you deal with every day because the consumers collectively decided they don't want diversity in those product or service options, for obviously good reasons.
legone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Monopolies are good until they're not. And then you're fucked. That's what a monopoly is; there are no good monopolies, just ones that haven't fucked you yet.
I love Amazon currently, but I'd argue they have or soon will have a monopoly on online shopping. Their customer service is great right now, but once they can get away with axeing that, oh, they will. You think they have such low prices because they want to? It's to drive you away from competitors. There's no problem with that, that's generally how a business works, but a monopoly ends up with no competition. Bad news for consumers.
Competition for online retailers can pop up at a moments notice. If an Amazon type monopoly started providing a shitty service, plenty of people would pay more to get their products from an alternative retailer.
legone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until Amazon is the only one with approval for drone usage. Or some other currently nonexistent leg up. They already spend a fuck ton on free shipping, have deals with carriers, and are beginning to build their own infrastructure. Not to mention if (when?) we lose net neutrality; they'll have the cash to make their service the only available.
Amazon is very much a physical company with a physical presence. They just bought Whole Foods. The market changes and someone is always going to try to dominate.
vazcj ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love this if the catalogue was the same outside of america. Since Netflix stopped watching through VPN it became shit and I quit my subscription.
geekdad ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I route all my traffic through a VPN (router level). This is scripted to change every 3 days to another countries' server. I have to drop the connection to watch Netflix.
I've been thinking about leaving Netflix and going back to pirating and plex. Dropping the connection is a Pita.
dardack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PLEX is so good. Love that shit I paid for a lifetime awhile ago. Just to support em.
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geekdad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for introducing me to Plex! It looks like it's going to solve a few problems I've been trying to solve for streaming things to all my devices. Hurrah!
Is the US catalog that good? I mean I live here and outside of the comedy specials and originals, it feels like netflix's catalog has become more and more shit over the last few years. Top shows leave constantly (Futurama is a recent one) to the point that we're left with a bunch of sitcoms, most of which I have on DVD from the early 2000s or are offered on similar services like Hulu which has a far better catalog for recent TV.
vazcj ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep it for my children's tablets. I've lost all interest in my subscription as well. I feel like I'm staring into a refrigerator full of food I don't want to eat.
Not to mention "this item isn't available in your country yet" Then i'm just finding it somewhere else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any way to avoid this?
Excal2 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not paying for it until you guys figure this shit out.
How is this so hard?
I'm not ruining your business, your business doesn't appeal to me. I will find what I want elsewhere until you're prepared to bring something to market that I actually fucking want.
โIโd rather pirate, and justify your bad business decisions, instead of being a proper consumer and boycotting.โ
You want bad business decisions to go away? Then suck it up and donโt watch the content.
Excal2 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:06:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then suck it up and donโt watch the content.
I don't, but I'm not going to sit around all high and mighty and shit on people who do when they're not causing the problem.
The only content I pirate is video games that refuse to release demos, because I'm not spending that much money on a product from an industry with a long, long history of half-assing a project and releasing it at full price anyhow. Well, I will, but not without some assurance first.
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[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, in regard to piracy a lot of people try and dance around the fact that they know they're doing something immoral but don't feel all that bad about it.
Because if someone pirates media that they otherwise would have just never consumed, nobody is harmed. No revenue is lost. No goods have to be replaced. The result of the piracy here is a win-neutral result and therefore optimal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. There are issues of cleanliness and the user experience of others. Nobody wants a crowded theater or pool. Pirated media that you otherwise wouldn't have paid for has ZERO negative effect on anyone or anything.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:21:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of things you can't afford, it doesn't mean you can just steal them. Look, I pirate stuff but I'm not gonna try and justify by saying I don't want to do it, of course you do. And the idea that you should be able to get access to every film and TV show for $20 a month is pretty ridiculous, do you have any idea how much it costs to make movies and TV shows? And I'm guessing you also want it as soon as it comes out as well
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats the type of thing i never would have any gripes about pirating/watching on youtube (since tons of movies in that direction are on youtube in reasonable quality) since literally everybody involved in making the movie is dead.
although admittedly i pirated bicycle thieves and the kid is still alive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people whose job it is to digitize those films so you can watch them on a modern device are definitely not dead.
I totally agree with your argument that obscure and old movies/documentaries are paradoxically preserved by piracy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FilmStruck or Fandor, man. There are options, you just aren't looking.
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you're not going to find access to a magical library that contains everything you ever decide to watch on a whim. That's not how steaming works, and your analogy to Spotify and music streaming betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between the two.
Five or six years ago I would have agreed with you, but with the vast amount of affordable options for video streaming available today, it just sounds like you're deliberately setting an unreasonable standard to point to and say "I'd be happy to pay if someone offered this, but until then I'm going to keep pirating."
It's fine if you wanna pirate, but in the year 2017 you can't pirate and talk from your high horse.
That argument of you can't find a library with all the movies in it is horseshit. It exists, and has for decades. It's called usenet.
Peer to peer forced music into the Spotify/Apple Music model, and as a subscriber to Apple Music since it was available Im satisfied to get 99.995% of my music needs from there. Literally the only music I can't get on there I get from OCRemix.
Peer to peer will force television and or cinema into a similar model. Unless we lie down and let ISPs decide they're not a public utility. I'm happy to pay for my media consumption, but between
$20-300 a month for first run theatre, (which I'd happily pay $50 for a 24hr licence to watch at home instead of the creaky theatre in town that's nine weeks behind)
$140/mo for satellite (which is like 8mbps complete garbage)
$18 for Netflix because I have kids and need extra streams
$16 for Crave
$28 for HBO.
And 4-12 blurays a year depending mostly on Disney and Marvel (Disney lol) releases.
I pay enough of my goddamn income for media. I shamelessly have 56TB of media on my home Plex server. Come at me bro, I Fucking paid my share already.
All that for ~45 hours of screen time a month.
Never mind that I can't get a connection over 25mbps down. So that fourth stream bumps everybody to 720p and crave is insistent on its shit 13mbps 1080p so everyone on Netflix gets booted to 480.
Locally stored media is a blessing and thank god for Netflix letting me library up on the kids tablet, but content has to be kept up. My kid shouldn't be finding new content on YouTube in the background of children's content asking why it's not on Netflix yet.
All that, and I pay $18/mo for my apple family music sub. One service has it all, for me and my metal and vidya music, my wife's country and pop, the children's lullabies and Soundtracks, one service.
Don't pretend it's massively more complex.
I'd like to add:
I used to steal music, but now Apple Music is here, or google music, or Spotify.
I used to pirate video games, now I just buy them on steam.
For video, it's not IF but WHEN.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you can afford to stream them. Maybe you can't afford to be subscribed to Netflix, HBO, Fandor, & FilmStruck at the same time, but you can rotate one or two at a time like a lot of folks do. My point is that if you genuinely didn't want to pirate, you could find a way to make it work fairly easily.
Yeah, it's cheaper to just get cable at this point, which is probably their goal, come to think of it.
If it's readily available and easy to stream, I'll happily pay for it. I have disposable income. But if I have to jump through a bunch of hoops, or if it's only available for a week, etc I'll just pirate it.
The market needs to cater to the consumer, not the other way around. Capitalism 101.
Djinger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought capitalism 101 was force out the opposition so the consumer has no choice, then raise prices until they don't like you, then fire the CEO and say sorry, rinse repeat?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really?
I torrent shit cuz its free, and dont pretend to use flimsy morality to justify me doing so .
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Piracy is a service problem"
I have access to a silly number of streaming services through family friends, several of which I actually pay for myself. Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, HBO GO, Showtime Anytime, Crunchyroll, I even pay for Youtube Red. If your show/movie isn't available on any of those, or using a more specified app with a comcast cable account login, I'm watching it on Kodi or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be cool to have enough money to throw right into the garbage. Particularly for YouTube Red. YouTube has become the most detestable thing I've come to know. You can listen to a playlist of songs that are 1:30 in length each, and still get a :30 second unskippable ad between each video. Just a few months ago it was one every few videos. Now it's relentless.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry I watch stuff on youtube? I used to pay for spotify, and Youtube Red/Google Play All Access are the same price. So I get all my music legally, no ads on youtube, and I can download videos to watch on the elliptical at my gym. That's worth ten bucks to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have access to 3 streaming services that I pay for and 2 that family does, and I still stream illegally because some shows I want to watch just aren't available that way. And some I don't want to wait the day or week after (or 5 weeks, in one case!) to watch a particular show. I feel like people at tv studios don't realize that people like me exist. I'm more than happy to pay for content if only they'd sell it to me as soon as it's available.
and I'm not subscribing to like seven different services
So, you don't want any competition.. you want to pay for 1 service that encompasses all of your watching habits. Anyone who makes a new show will have to put it on that service, according to you.
That is certainly reasonable......
Lots42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My cable company offers -some- shows on demand.
They have commercials and poor sound quality.
Guess what the pirate versions do not have?
Jstbt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, because pirate streaming sites definitely have "advertising", just in a different form (endless popups, gauntlet of fake links, transparent overlays etc) and the sound is always hit or miss. It's actually a bit of a PIA to stream pirated content. The price and convenience compared to legit methods is what drives it. And that's saying a lot considering the hoops you have to jump through to get a pirated movie to stream. Some sites are better then others but it almost always takes some practice to learn how to navigate to the actual movie.
Lots42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like ad blocker and a little bit of luck allowed me to access the good pirate sites.
And no I am not sharing. I like my Reddit account, thank you very much.
The tone of this image seems to want to put all 60% of millennials who pirate in prison, rather than looking at why we do what we do. I pay for netflix, I watch what I can on netflix. If what I want to watch isn't on netflix, I will get it some other way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO won't ever put their services on Netflix because they have their own distribution system that they wholly control. It's similar with a lot of content providers. You don't like the prices of cable, but you don't want to pay for the services you do use individually. Sure it would be nice if there were just a single streaming service with everything, but there are so many entrenched players that won't happen for a long time, and when it does, do you really think the company with a monopoly on distribution will be the best actor and keep prices at netflix levels? Monopolies are historically bad actors and bad for markets.
Your response sounds like you're just never going to pay because you don't have to. First the excuse was there were no options so pirating is fine (I get it, I used to say that too), now it's that there are too many options and its too expensive for all of them at once.
You can download and watch Netflix and Prime wherever and whenever you want, and on pretty much any mainstream device. What does this future where you will pay for content look like? You can keep kicking the 'it's just not good enough to deserve my money' can down the road forever.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for it. VPN = unlimited torrenting with no fear of the law.
I pirate too, but in trying to take the moral high ground, you're basically calling for a giant monopoly in the entertainment business. Not sure why you think that would serve customers well.
I agree that bundling is great (I'd rather pay for Netflix than 15 different shows individually), but to have every piece of content ever made to be offered in one bundle is totally impossible.
Want ESPN? Sure! But that means you'll have to take Hallmark, lifetime, nickelodeon, Nick Jr., TV land, TBS, TruTV, E!....
That's stuff doesn't happen in almost any other industry. Imagine going out to eat and ordering a steak, but in order to have your state, you also have to take an order of chicken wings, a burger, corn, two sodas, and a foot-long sandwich
klaq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to pay $5 a month to watch every show that has ever existed, every new show the second it comes out, and every sporting event in the world, Otherwise I'm just going to steal and feel justified doing so.
Eloc11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but really we just like free shit.
1sagas1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to advocate for a streaming monopoly? And that sounds more consumer friendly to you?
That's not what he is advocating. He is advocating an a la carte streaming model. He doesn't feel he should have to pay a large monthly fee for a bundle of shows he doesn't watch just so he can watch the one show he does want to watch.
How is being able to go to whichever network I want to and purchase whichever shows I want to purchase considered a cartel? I don't think I advocated for a system where the content creators all get together to artificially set the prices for their content.
The content creators donโt get the ability to do what you say, the streaming providers do. Your want of the streaming providers to collude together to set prices to allow what is seen and how much you pay for it. Sure, Game of Thrones is no longer HBO exclusive, but if you wanna watch it on other streaming providers, you have to pay an extra $$$ a month to have access to non-HBO GoT streamers. Hulu shows? Free on Huluโs subscription steaming service, but costs $$$ individually on other services.
No I'm not, but thanks for telling me that I am I guess?
1sagas1 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's complaining he is paying for 7 different subscriptions. Breaking it up even more would add more subscriptions and almost certainly cost more. That doesn't sound like what he's talking about at all. He wants all the shows he wants under a single service and single subscription. That is rather impractical and uncompetitive.
cheo_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it works for music, there's Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon music etc. they don't have ALL the music, but they offer a selection that satisfies most of their customers. I wouldn't want one service to have a monopoly on all the shows, but instead a number services that offer a wider selection.
1sagas1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It works for music because music is far cheaper and less risky to produce than TV or movies. Artists don't have to seek outside funding before creating it, thus they largely keep the rights to their work and streaming rights can more easily be negotiated/shopped around. TVs and movies require much more capital investment and have to get it before they begin production, thus the companies want much more exclusivity and a larger portion of the rights and ownership. Musicians keep the ownership of their music, directors/producers/writers for TV and movies do not.
But since different streaming services offer different programs, and I'm not subscribing to like seven different services, I'm not paying for it until you guys figure this shit out.
Congratulations, you just invented "the cable package!"
everyone agreeing with you is wrong, and here's why...
Cable was 'every show is here, buy this service to watch it all!' and people just went 'but I only watch these channels, why should I pay for them allโฝ'
You want it all in one place? it'll cost a load of money. you want to pay per channel you want? it'll cost a shit load of money.
ucffool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear there is a service where they bundle all the best content under one bill, allowing you to pay a single fee and get access to shows you want and even discover new things.
It's called Cable.
legone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why shouldn't you subsribe to different services? I have Netflix, Hulu, HBO Now, Google Play Music, and Dramafever.
That's $11.99, $11.99 (no ads), $14.99, $9.99 (honestly I should be using Spotify's $5 student subscription, but I like GPM), and $4.99. Thats $53.95 a month for pretty much everything I can watch AND listen to. Most people aren't watching Asian dramas, so that's under $50 a month for most people. How is that not reasonable? $50 a month for cable would be fine, and you don't even get that shit on demand.
Not to mention services like YouTube TV, which is a great cable alternative with DVR options, for $35 a month. And that $35 a month can be split between 6 different accounts.
You don't get to access millions of hours of content from the past hundred years, on demand, for $9.99 a month. How do you think new shit is gonna get made? Do you want TV shows to have to continue to rely on ad revenue based on live viewership? Because that's dying with cable. I'm sure I don't understand the intricacies of content funding, but money has to come from somewhere.
Are you asking for one service for everything for $50+ a month? Why would you want a monopoly that size? Then you run into the issue of paying for things you don't even need. Your bill is now higher because I need Korean dramas in my package. You think a service that contains everything would be optimized the way you want? I don't like the way Spotify works. So I pay for something else. I don't like Google Drive. I use Dropbox.
One streaming service is a horrible idea for so, so many reasons.
Zulous ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to watch all the seasons of GoT but each season is ยฃ12.99 and I don't want to pay for 6 seasons for that online. I would be willing to pay a small subscription fee to watch it on HBO online but it's not available for me to do so and I can't watch it without torrenting it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There will literally always be a reason not to pay for something.
Because, at least in America, we have this thing called freedom. What you'd be advocating for is a government-owned monopoly of all licenses. That's absolutely terrifying. It would give the government the power to censor all of the content, choose the price people pay, choose what people get to see. It'd basically be giving the FCC insane amounts of power.
Not to mention the fact that Comcast owns NBC. So you'd either have to force Comcast to give up its own product, or you still wouldn't have everything in one if you didn't force providers to give licensing.
couldn't it be publicly controlled like petition to get new additions to the service and treat it like an internet PBS only this time it has sesame Street instead of hbo
But you're fine with giving Comcast the power to censor all of the content, choose the price people pay, and choose what people get to see? Why can't we have both services, and let people choose which one to useโlet NBC choose whether or not to cooperate with the gov't service.
Since when is Comcast the only provider in the United States? You could get DirecTV, Dish, Time Warner, AT&T, Charter, Cox, Verizon, CableVision, Mediacom... And those are just the bigger ones.
Comcast sucks. But it's not some fucking monopoly like the fearmongers of reddit would say. Stop spreading that stupidity.
Bac0n01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:14 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, those all exist. But, in reality, they're not really alternatives for most people if you cant get them in the first place.
The fact that Comcast literally doesn't do any of those things? Seriously, if you truly believe that Comcast has that much power, you really need to broaden your knowledge. You're either ignorant or being hyperbolic, and I honestly don't know which.
Comcast does not have the power to force other companies to pet them license their products. Comcast cannot say that Fox must allow Comcast the right to stream the Simpsons, for example. Giving the government the sole power to force other companies to give them their product is ridiculous.
Who ever said anything about forcing? You're the only one who brought that up. The OP about a government run TV/streaming service doesn't "force" NBC to participate in it.
The entire point of this comment chain has been a discussion about all content being streamed in one place. It's a logical conclusion from discussion about a government run streaming program. Otherwise, a government run program would just be another Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. that all fight for exclusive licenses.
If your streaming service doesn't offer "coach", I will find a way to watch it. By any means necessary. I promise.
Netcob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped pirating games when services like steam made it actually easier and safer to buy them. I used spotify for a while which was fine too.
There's nothing like that for TV and movies yet. Also I live in Germany so thanks to licensing issues I have access to even fewer shows, also later and with German audio. It's just a shitty experience all around.
That is exactly what I want to do. And I'd be willing to pay for it if you offered it.
I would only be willing to pay maybe $20/month to be able to watch movies at any point in the cycle. From theatrical release onward. I don't want to have to go to the theater to watch a movie. As phones become more and more obnoxiously used in the theaters I will attend less and less and just wait 2 months for the blu ray rip.
yet stuff like youtube red is still barely bought :/
Ridley_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the plebs like me from non english speaking country who are greated by "due to licencing, this service/show isn't available in your region" at every fucking turn. God bless piracy, you don't want my money? Fucking fine by me.
I'll never forget the day when I subscribed to crunchyroll for the first time thinking "all these great shows whenever I want and in simulcast!" to quickly realize at my dismay that barely a third of their catalogue was available to me, and most of what was available was crap.
But since different streaming services offer different programs, and I'm not subscribing to like seven different services, I'm not paying for it until you guys figure this shit out.
LOL, this is what people were asking for, forever. "I want an a la carte service where I just pick what I want to see."
Piracy is a supply side problem, the demand for media isn't changing among the millenial demographic we're just slowly getting legal ways to consume it.
Game of Thrones wouldn't be the most pirated show of all time if it weren't aired on channels which are part of expensive TV packages. Here in the UK I'd need either Sky or NowTV to watch it legally. The only shows I'd watch on either are Game of Thrones and Westworld which for one hour a week only 5 months of the year is poor sell.
On the other hand when it comes to music Spotify is success because its most basic business model gives users access to almost any song they want whenever they want without a pay wall. Vast majority of their users would have just pirated music in the past.
Seriously. I just wanna watch hockey and I'd pay for it. Problem is that even though the NHL has a streaming service, it has black outs for games with my home team so it's not worth much to me. I have to find illegal streams because they give me no option.
just because you can't afford or are unwilling to pay for something doesn't mean you still deserve it. Wanna know why DMC exists and is becoming so obstructive? Because of people like you.
It's the same with food - if my local restaurants aren't going to offer me every different kind of food from every chef in town, why should I have to pay to eat there? I'm not paying for my food until they figure it out.
No. A proper analogy would be if you had to pay for every fucking item on the menu just to eat the one thing you went there for.
Or, you had to pay a monthly fee for each restaurant you might want to eat at, no matter how few times you actually eat there, even if you only ever eat one of their menu items.
That's what dining would look like if restaurants followed the streaming / pay TV business model.
P00pyd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These business want to suck capitalisms dick and then charge unfair market prices, then have the nerve to complain when the consequences hit. You reap what you sow and you played yourself, blockbuster is proof if you don't adapt what happens.
I do subscribe to 7 different services and can still never find what I want to watch. Make that shit easier and well stop finding online streams of them.
Fun fact, the music from that ad is stolen from The Prodigy. The musician who made it ripped off their song to the note without their permission. On mobile so I can't give links but yeah, irony.
Hey man be careful, the hip music in that ad was used without permission and they got sued over it and lost. You should edit your comment if you don't want to get in trouble yourself.
Noneek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jenaxu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was super easy and gave me my own copy of the car, fuck yeah I would. The more accurate analogy is "you wouldn't steal a ride on the subway" but I guess that's not as catchy.
Urgh, millennials, I've never committed such a heinous crime.
I always give my card details to the polite man who emails me after I finish watching my films, the Prince of Abuwastan.
I have it on good word from him that all of the money he takes goes directly to the movie companies, but I always pay him extra to help him ascend to the throne of his glorious nation.
Perhaps you "millennials" should spend less time drinking chai lattes, and more time listening to me.
Absofuckinglutely. I understand people gotta eat but why the fuck is it that I can buy a physical copy of a book on Amazon for cheaper than the ebook?! You have no fucking overhead! It is a goddamned text file! Sell me that shit for $5 and we'll both be happy. Try to gouge me for $10 or above and I'm pirating the shit.
You obviously don't know how cheap industrial optical disc printers and pieces of shiny plastic are when deployed with repetitive labor in 3rd-world nations.
Hosting is practically nothing. A bluray is ~50gB. Let's say that they have 4 drive for raid. 200gB. + pre-made lower quality versions 600GB. Nah fam, that's about $40 at worst
That's why I said "and serving" because serving up that data is not "practically nothing". Also, you have to factor in volume of requests. A one time payment might not be too bad, paying that every month times x number of users starts to hurt.
Yeah but you're forgetting about all the supporting services. You gotta have security, patching, redundant and failover architecture, then on the front-end you have to support a ton of different devices with different browsers and bandwidths. In terms of both engineers and hardware, hosting and serving can get pretty expensive.
there are a lot of ancillary costs around physical media as well, from the printing of the disc, the label, the cost of the case, the printed insert, the boxes they are shipped in, the shipping itself, warehousing fees in various locations, distribution costs, and all the associated man hours and computer/machinery costs and maintenance costs it takes to achieve the end result of the bluray on retail shelves across the country.
not to mention digital delivery systems are primarily fixed costs, where printed media takes a fair bit of prognostication, and you may very well end up with a substantial quantity of unsold media you won't recoup the costs on, or on the other end have customers who want your product that aren't able to purchase it do to lack of supply resulting in income that should have been realized, but is not.
i cannot understand why the online rental fee is so fucking high. you'd think one would a high price would drive so many customers away that its not worth it
Christ, you'd think that since they can afford to offer lower prices without dipping below the profit margin of their competitors they'd just do that and steal all the customers. And everyone would be better off for it.
Where are you people paying $15 to rent a movie? It's 3.99 for HD rental on Vudu (4.99 if it's a new release I think). It's so much easier and higher quality I never pirate anymore. Not... that I did to begin with...
Redtox ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I go for convenience. If it's easier to pirate something than watch it legally and pay for it, then why would I pay?
that's my thing. like i dont have cable and i like football but i can't just pay the nfl and watch games live cause the only service they have blacks out games until later. fuck that, ill just stream it for free. and its not even the 5$ price tag on the rentals thats the problem, its the insane cable bills and crappy service. an ad blocker deals with the inconvenience of streaming, nothing you can do about on demand being shit tho.
Redtox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd happily watch Rick and Morty on Adult Swim's website and give them the Ad Revenue, but their stupid player doesn't work on my phone.
That's what they don't understand. No, I will not pay for a bunch of bullshit channels to watch one show that I'm interested in. I'll still watch it though.
Shame you won't just sell me what I'm wanting to buy. Anti consumerism will bite has bitten you old fucks in the ass.
I would buy comedy Central and cartoon Network as stand alone channels in a heartbeat.
You know what? You're right about that. And I do pay for the TV shows that I can't get through Netflix and Hulu so long as I can find them. Paying per show is a pretty new service, so my argument while still value is starting to lose ground. Rightly.
Edit: looking further into it.. I can't find any shows that aren't available to buy streaming now. I take back what I said. It seems like the old guys have finally caught up with the 21st century.
Too bad their initial resistance is costing them. The widespread means to pirate movies and shows probably wouldn't be so strong if they had embraced the technologies from the beginning instead of trying to force cable TV to remain relevant.
Having to buy every show you want to watch ever is a horrendous business model. We don't want to own the shows we want to watch them once, maybe a few times. But eventually that's it. So paying $50+ for one show x every show you want to ever watch is a ridiculously tall order. I'd rather spend more of that in the long run but spread out over monthly payments with the added benefit of having shows I'm only mildly interested in but can still consume once I've had my fill of the shows I really needed to watch.
Cable is antiquated. Buying every show you ever want to watch isn't antiquated it's just a ludicrous counter - like Babylon 5 is $100 for the full series. That's a year of paying $8 a month for a streaming service. For one show. It's just not viable.
Maybe the reason it doesn't bother me too much is that I don't consume that much. I mostly play games, and am rarely interested in new shows that come out. If I'm in to one, I can usually afford to buy it digitally. I can see how it would get daunting if you consume a lot.
Sirspen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American Gods is only on Starz. It's not available on any of the above.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, also if it is not available to stream on Netflix but they'll mail me a dvd instead... I'll just download a copy elsewhere and watch it immediately instead of waiting for the mailman.
To be fair netflix and co only have so much money to buy licensing. I'm kind of glad fox has a stake in hulu now, as I'm sure they'll get special licensure treatment.
Same, and I don't mind paying for that content whatsoever. It's still cheaper than cable TV in total by far and offers programming at my own convenience. The platform is just ridiculous superior.
I mean I get new releases being more, but 4 or 5 bucks for a 24 hour rental of a 10+ year old movie? Really? Did you learn nothing from Blockbuster crashing?
This. I pay extra for fast enough service to stream and download in a rural area where it's very difficult to get and I pay extra on top of that for a VPN to torrent through. The money is not the problem.
Take Sentai for example. It's good enough to have earned my money, I would be distraught if Sentai was cancelled and I want to support the franchise, and so I've been buying up the legal translations as they're released - I'm not gonna use them though. Those DVD's are staying sealed. I already have every Sentai ever in convenient and easily transportable files that can play on almost any system.
The inconvenience of dealing with the DVD menu system alone makes files on a drive more appealing by default, forget the fact I can put it on phones, save it to multiple places to use at my convenience and even keep a backup so I don't have to be careful with the physical storage like I would with a DVD. Not to mention using whatever player I want and all the features that come with them. What incentive is there to pay for such an inferior product when the files are so readily available to me? The same holds true for most shows I watch, except that most aren't good enough to warrant spending the amounts of money that it costs for physical media.
I have a Netflix subscription which I barely use and I buy DVD's which stay in plastic, purely for moral reasons. If a show or movie isn't on Netflix and isn't good enough for me to plan to buy the DVD, under the current system they straight up will not get my money. I know for a fact that it's possible to aggregate media in a way that's more convenient than piracy and worth paying for; Steam did it flawlessly - if you'd have told me a year or two before I started using Steam that I'd happily pay money for games I could get for free on a system that amounts to DRM, I'd have laughed at you, but they made it more convenient than I could have ever imagined.
It is not my fault if the TV and movie industries can't get with the times and offer me a product that's in any way comparable to what I can get for free. I'm not trying to not pay them, it's just that paying them not only causes me to lose money, but also makes my viewing experience harder and more annoying, rather than easier and more pleasant, and so I have literally no incentive at all to do so.
I am am avid user of Patreon. If there is someone creating something I use or enjoy, I donate monthly or per preformance. I really hope that some shows will start doing this model.
I love Rick and Morty and wish I could directly support it. Same with many other shows. Get the right amount of pledge and you'd likely be able to revive shows like they did with Samurai Jack. For example, the avatar franchise has a massive fan base, but they didn't have the funding to continue. Let us support them and throw away the cable companies.
I am am avid user of Patreon. If there is someone creating something I use or enjoy, I donate monthly or per preformance. I really hope that some shows will start doing this model.
I love Rick and Morty and wish I could directly support it. Same with many other shows. Get the right amount of pledge and you'd likely be able to revive shows like they did with Samurai Jack. For example, the avatar franchise has a massive fan base, but they didn't have the funding to continue. Let us support them and throw away the cable companies.
Avatar: new episodes averaged 3.1ย million viewers each
If 1/10 people payed $1 per episode, they'd have $300k plus the ad revenue. I don't have experience, but id think that's plenty per episode.
Basically, I pirate, but I have a Netflix account and I pay a assfucking fee of $90/mo for internet so fuck Hulu, bell, rogers and TELUS and their network ties that all want a cut.
Welllll, on the one hand, you're fucking the content providers. High quality content can't be made cheap, so, what you're doing is screwing the skilled professionals who make it possible, and that sucks.
On the other hand, there is currently no way to monetize good content without spending 80% of your monetizing shit you wouldn't watch if they were paying you, so I have trouble assigning blame in this situation. Free market? The black market is the underside of the free market, the place where shit gets sold when the legal price is unacceptable.
Wanna stop piracy? Make your product available for a reasonable price.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."
The proof is in the proverbial pudding. "Prior to entering the Russian market, we were told that Russia was a waste of time because everyone would pirate our products. Russia is now about to become [Steam's] largest market in Europe," Newell said.
I think another factor contributing to this is the huge decline in the middle class.
Absolutely. People don't have as much disposable income because real wages haven't gone up in years and most economic growth has gone to the top 1%. And one of the first things that gets cut is entertainment spending.
It's both availability and pricing (aka under $10 a month and no ads).
People like Netflix because they have a pleasing UI/UX and it is set at a fair price with no annoying fucking ads for dish detergent or some shit. People like steam because they have stuff like your games being tied to your acct forever, and generous refund policies.
It really boils down to how well a merchant understands their customers. The pirates are always gonna pirate, there is nothing you can do about that. The people that pirate because it's the easier alternative will happily move to a different platform if it is worth it.
Not to mention that pirates spend more than non-pirates. Here are links to reports on two studies, one in the UK in 2012, and another in Sweden in 2016, showing pirates spending more money than non-pirates.
We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem.
With the rise of password sharing, within the same region, for products like Netflix, Hulu, and HBO, this argument is really falling flat. In those cases you're getting the exact same product as a paying customer.
And with many of those services, you cannot stream from unlimited devices with one account.
Netflix for instance, can only have 2 streams going at the same time with a base account. Adding more costs money. They are not losing money on password sharing... someone is still paying for the stream.
And it is not like there is some easy solution even if you wanted to stop account sharing... locking accounts to certain IMEIs or IPs would not work for people who use a multitude of devices and travel.
This is all true (well, except for it not costing them money which may be true, but is highly debatable). None of it changes that this password sharing completely destroys the above argument that people will pay if you give them a service they like.
Except that people ARE paying, then sharing. This is exactly the same as when my friends and I swapped VHS' back before internet piracy was a thing. The companies with this "problem" understand and allow it.
I listen to a lot of music. I have Google Music/YouTube Red and Spotify. Spotify isn't ok with the sharing, so they don't let you. That's OK, I'm willing to pay for it anyway.
I watch very little TV. I have a Netflix account I share (kids shows), an HBO account I share (GoT, Last Week Tonight, Westworld) and an Amazon Video account I only use to buy "Adam Ruins Everything" episodes for my wife.
Netflix knows that they're going to get more money by letting us share, since I probably wouldn't pay for the service for just myself.
Sure, they'd love it if they got paid for every set of eyeballs to view their content individually, but they'll settle for my friend and I going halvesies on the more devices plan.
Netflix is clearly fine with password sharing since you can have multiple profiles on a single account. They even have plans that allow for more simultaneous watchers.
They allow sharing with "other members of the household". They appear to be fine with sharing in general, but maybe only because they can't stop it. Their terms don't allow for it.
Man honestly though maybe I'm lazy but I like having a singular site that streams everything I want to watch. I don't have to bother with Netflix, HBO go, Hulu, crunchy roll, whatever other streaming site. I just have it all in one convenient place. If I could pay for something like that and it was a good service I would but the companies that own the rights to shows all want to make their own streaming service and it's getting fragmented and frustrating to deal with.
rob10s2 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing. The stars of big Hollywood movies go on a marketing tour wherever the movie is opening. They can't be at a premier in New York and 50 other cities around the world at the same time. Movie stars get asses in seats and without the talk shows and news segments where the stars get interviewed about the film, again the box office take suffers.
lolol42 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:39:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems dumb. Who goes to a movie just because Tom Cruise came to their country?
It's not for you or any other regular consumer. It's for press outlets so that they can interview the cast and create more advertisement for the movie.
It depends I guess on the movie. If the studio knows they have a bad movie but are contractually obligated to play it in theaters, they may just open it in like 100 theaters for a weekend and it goes right to video. The movie The Midnight Meat Train is an example of this.
Different holidays. Different laws around when a movie can be shown in theaters vs downloaded (France) is the big culprit there. China has quotas and calendar limitations of foreign movies.
I'm in the industry and am generally negative on torrenting. You can get most movies or tv shows for $5 or less on demand. It's not a pricing or a distribution problem. It's a people not wanting to spend money on something they're only iffy about seeing in theaters or subscribing to a service for.
I think it is to some extent. Content producers and content consumers have a vastly different opinions of what something is worth. How you reconcile that, I have no idea, but I think having things hit streaming services instantly or way sooner would help a bunch.
People paying for Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon and whatever else get irritated when a studio wants to charge them to pay an extra 5 bucks for a movie on top of the 10-100+ bucks a month they might be paying for various streaming services plus maybe cable/satellite.
Is that fair? Probably not. Still, maybe if you had instant access to and could watch say 5 new releases per month or whatever, that would help. The average family probably doesn't really want to see more than a half dozen of the new movies that come out every month anyway.
Lynx436 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam stopped me from pirating games, I even have games that I bought and have never played....
So, I used to be in newspapers (pause for derisive laughter).
Same problem. 80% of the content is shit, and 20% is amazing stuff you'd gladly pay for...But not pay the full subscription price. If you want Game of Thrones, you have to get all of HBO, which includes all of premium cable, and holy fuck that batman!
But you can't buy one episode, and if you buy the season, that's $25 bucks and you have to wait until it's available. Not cool.
My thought on this, was some kind of microtransaction based browser model. Watch/read whatever you like, and they bill you on the fly. Watch GOT Season 1 Episode 1 100 times, and they charge you per view. It's pretty much what everyone wants.
Still, it will involve a whole infrastructure, and tons of negotiation with the IP holders, and those bastards always fight for the best deal for their IP, and try to bundle in shit no one wants with the really good stuff, and it's going to be a fucking nightmare.
well, no. the content providers are already screwing the skilled professionals, you're just screwing the content providers (who refuse to supply content in any reasonable way)
You're fucking people over because their model sucks and somehow the broke guy sitting at home watching a movie on some ad-infested streaming site is to blame. Maybe that makes sense for you..
jdog2590 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know how to pirate. Its not that hard to do. And frankly i don't know many people who don't. You know why i pirate though? Its because radio is the same 5 crap songs over and over, you cant watch tv over the air anymore, and the cost of watching a movie skyrocketed after the "writers strike" which i still believe was some lousy scheme to find an excuse to artificially inflate theater prices (which made no sense to begin with) and surprise surprise, they never dropped back down after the "strike".
Most of the people i know that pirate that crap are under 30. You know why? Because the cost of entertainment has become prohibitively expensive for people who are starting out in life, starting a family, paying for a hugely expensive college degree, paying for rising costs of insurance, rising costs of food, rising costs of housing, and all the same some dumbshits still think its important to have a rock on their finger and walk down the aisle in a novelty dress that symbolizes the virginity and innocence and wealth they definitely don't have.
Putting all that together and yea we illegally download crap because all the companies are clawing and scraping for any dime we have while simultaneously refusing to give us much to play with in the first place.
How does a company increase its value when they've already taken all they can take from consumers? When theres nothing left?? There may not be a monarchy in this country but you could have fooled me. The kings and queens of this nation are the ladys and lords of companies like apple, comcast, walmart, newscorp, and so on... they're all just playing a game while we live in the shit and piss of fleabottom.
Then they have the audacity to get pissed that we steal what we cant have? Thats not how it works. Bitch we pay the iron price.
...yes ive been watching a lot of GOT lately...
FOR FREE BITCHES.
wm210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going through the process now. Basically, this stuff doesn't disqualify you, you just can't lie about it. It all adds up, but one or two "I've done that" answers doesn't inherently dq you from the program, unless they catch you lying.
gefasel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:50:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a terrible spot to be in. How would they know if you've streamed illegal content?
What if you literally haven't committed a single crime in your life, how do they determine if you're lying?
They polygraph you. There's also a very very extensive background check, where they talk to friends, friends of friends, etc. In theory, it validates your answers.
jetztf ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Polygraphs are shit and dont work.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:12:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloaded? No, I was merely streaming it.
don'tlookintomycacheplease
Aikidi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading illegal materials and illegally downloading legal materials are different things arent they.
rip10 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:55:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spoke with the CIA at a job fair once. The woman there told me, without any provocation or solicitation, that I need to stop downloading movies today if I'm serious about the non job
It likely won't affect much. They know kids are gonna do it, it's not a deal breaker in all cases.
What they look for with that question, is someone who is seriously considering that career path, is absolved of their old piratey ways and is willing to tell the truth and not get caught in a lie.
those questions tend to be a check on how honest you are willing to be rather than how wholesome. They mostly just want to make sure you can't be blackmailed.
Often marking yes on questions like that isn't a dealbreaker. It's if you mark no and they find out you lied that's the problem (because it's not hard for them to find out).
That might actually be a test question for honestly since almost everyone has done it. I had a friend that ran the lie detector interviews for the State Department where she would ask lots of questions about anything and everything to see whether candidates were trustworthy and if they had any dirt that could be compromised.
There was one stage where the applicant is just supposed to divulge anything and everything they think could be considered embarrassing or compromising. Not everything bad was disqualifying, but how they handled or whether they tried to hide it would be. I specifically remember her mentioning bad things that nearly everyone has done that they would ask about as a baseline. Sometimes candidates really were boy scouts and would be innocent of even minor vices, but that would create a different context where they dug in more to find out if that was true.
I wonder how big of an impact that will have on their hiring process with newer generations.
None. People will just lie like they always have on those applications and if they really want you as an employee, they'll cover for you by not questioning it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how big of an impact that will have on their hiring process with newer generations.
If you actually want the job and you admit to doing it, you're too stupid to be in the intelligence community anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On an application to be in the CIA and get a job working for them, of fucking course it does. They don't tell the truth and you're even dumber for wasting your own time applying if that's how you go about it.
Edit: oh and if it's incriminating and you admit it to people who can put you away for 20 years for downloading something, you're the dumbest. You'll be getting your asshole stretched by other inmates but you can feel good about the fact that you still have your honesty, right? LOL.
(bittorrent is probably much more mainstream than putlocker)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno I wonder about that - bittorrent is certainly a bigger platform with more stuff, but can also seem complicated and difficult to do for newbies. There's a barrier to entry there that PutLocker doesn't have
At the very least, FOX continuously downplaying the Trump scandal (but they made a big deal about Obama ordering a specific kind of mustard). CNN may or may not have problems (I haven't seen much about it other than the wrestling meme thing), but FOX is desensitizing people to issues that are ordinarily, and should be now too, MASSIVE.
frotc914 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it. Consider how many people are also streaming by sharing Netflix accounts, Comcast accounts, etc. People torrenting or watching online from shady websites is probably pretty minimal, but that's not most "piracy".
Yeah. I would've thought it was higher than 60% to be honest. At least among the people I know, pretty much all of them watch illegal movie streams at least occasionally.
That's like saying "I can buy 70 hours worth of classic cartoons from the wal-mart bargain bin for $5, $15 for a brand new movie is a rip off."
Your making a strange false equivalency.
Let's take Star Wars: A New Hope for instance. It's not on Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Prime Instant (in my country at least). Sure, I can watch thousands of hours of TV shows for $10/mo, but if I want to watch A New Hope, it's not the same.
For movies and shows that haven't made streaming deals with those providers, $1-$2 for a rental is a perfectly reasonable price. Hell, most of the same people will spend twice that on a cup of coffee without batting an eye.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing though... Anime and movies are different markets. Are they similar? Absolutely. But they aren't the same. One is not an alternative for the other.
You aren't paying double the market price just because another form of streamable media is cheaper. You are paying the market price for streaming movies.
If I were to use your logic, I could just say: "YouTube has an endless amount of streaming video entertainment for free. Why would I pay infinitely above the market price for Crunchyroll?"
It doesn't make sense. They aren't the same thing.
It seems like you're obsessed with anime and you just don't like movies... that's fine, but most people couldn't give a shit about anime. The value of that entertainment is irrelevant when talking about something completely different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you could go so far as to say there is no movie market and each individual item has its own market, but to a lot of people they are the same.
This is certainly true, but we have existing frameworks for predicting the behavior of purchasing habits with such goods. Film and anime would likely be considered substitute goods, however, very loosely. They would be nowhere near "perfect substitutes." However, an anime and a cartoon would be much closer to being perfect substitutes. An anime and a similar anime even moreso.
The fact of the matter is though, you can compare anime and films as substitutes on about the same level you could compare milk and soda as substitute goods.
An hour of anime vs an hour of random TV show is pretty much the same for me
Okay, cool. But that certainly isn't typical.
and for a lot of other people.
Again, cool. But it certainly isn't the majority.
You can argue a store rented DVD is a different market than a streamable, but for a lot, a lot of people they're the same.
You can argue anything. But I would say it's fairly obvious that for most people they are not the same. Streaming being infinitely more convenient than a physical rental for anyone with a decent internet service.
Regardless, I'm not quite sure what point you're getting at here; given that a physical rental will run you about the same cost, and in many cases more than a streamable rental will.
They're the same to most people
But they aren't. I don't know what world you live in where wasting your time to go physically rent something for the same price that you could stream it is the same.
Streamables (that you can watch anywhere any time) are better and cheaper than their store equivalents.
Yes? I'm trying to find the point you're attempting to make, but I'm not seeing it.
Here was our topic: you posited that because anime has a better hours to dollar ratio, renting a movie online was such a poor value, that it was a waste of money.
My position is that they are not direct substitutions and that comparison is meaningless.
If I want to watch The Terminator 3, and I can do that for $2, no amount of inexpensive, streaming TV shows are going to replace that.
I'm unsure where your strange tangent came from, what purpose it was supposed to serve, or what it was even saying, but it was not relevant to our conversation.
The Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) is an application protocol used for transporting Usenet news articles (netnews) between news servers and for reading and posting articles by end user client applications. Brian Kantor of the University of California, San Diego and Phil Lapsley of the University of California, Berkeley authored RFC 977, the specification for the Network News Transfer Protocol, in March 1986. Other contributors included Stan O. Barber from the Baylor College of Medicine and Erik Fair of Apple Computer.
Usenet was originally designed based on the UUCP network, with most article transfers taking place over direct point-to-point telephone links between news servers, which were powerful time-sharing systems.
Eh, if I could download and own it for $5 I would. And one place that has everything like steam for movies would also be necessary for me to use the service.
In a future like that, I could see plex being way more popular and having a home NAS etc.. Or fuck it just a plex box which is basically a NAS for dummies that make it easy.
Yeah but you're also not paying a few people to run a cinema...
emecom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My town still has a video rental store and I can rent Blu-rays for $1. If it's a brand new movie I only get it for a day, otherwise I get it for up to a week. Until a steaming service offers that I will continue to use the store and probably even then because I want to support a local business.
Yeah, but also consider the costs of handling a temporary download versus the costs of maintaining a brick and mortar retail store, employees, and the risk of getting a damaged VHS back or not getting one back at all.
Sure, but from the consumer's perspective you are getting a better product delivered instantaneously without having to go to a store or worry about returning it. So if you paid $5 for a VHS rental from BB, you should be willing to pay more than that for a HD download rental.
Additionally, in the pre-movie-download days of 1997, there was no such thing as licenses. Blockbuster actually contracted to purchase 100,000 copies of "Titanic" and that was the end of their transaction with Paramount Studios (or whoever). The costs of licensing might be overall larger than purchasing the copies of the videos, particularly in an era where online rentals make up a much greater share of the market compared to hard copy purchases. So their costs may have gone down on one end and up on the other. BB also didn't make apps for different platforms that require updates, make sure they integrate with tons of devices, etc.
But also from a consumer's perspective, i can just go stream some videos on youtube for free, or pirate them. So they have to compete with those two options, even if they dont like it, and because they've got objectively lower overhead, its not like they're gonna die off because of that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And by the way, you weren't actually guaranteed to get any old movie you might actually want to see, unlike Amazon/Itunes/etc.
The margins are much slimmer running a blockbuster than they are to host a video on a website.
These days Netflix, Amazon, et al. pay for bulk licensing. It's not comparable to BB, who would just buy a ton of copies of VHS tapes to rent out. The pricing structure is very different.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Previously". As in previously to May 28, 2011. As in before 2011. But whatever, I already spent too much effort caring about this. I'm sure there was probably some variation in pricing.
And by the way, you weren't actually guaranteed to get any old movie you might actually want to see, unlike Amazon/Itunes/etc.
Netflix/amazon/iTunes don't have anywhere near full coverage either, unlike most decent torrent trackers.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he has a good point about redbox. there's way lower overhead in the business model, but you still pay a decent amount. Old movies should be $1/2 for digital rentals
Though my real complaint is how long they wait to make some movies available to rent. I wanted to see Trainwreck and it wasn't rentable and had an iTunes giftcard and now the fact that I own Trainwreck is on my permanent record.
So after that I gave up a little.
orendt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know anyone that went to Blockbuster. Every other video store was $2 when Blockbuster was $5. I wouldn't have spent that then, and i won't now.
Yea..$5 is a beer at a bar that lasts you 30 minutes. Hard to believe people don't think renting a new movie for $5 is worth it these days. It was $5 at blockbuster 20 years ago.
Personally I think it's less that it's "expensive" and "overpriced" and more so that there's a free option out there.
That argument sounds good in a vacuum but I could have said the same about music 10 years ago. Or tv shows 5 years ago. They were pirated like crazy but then streaming services came in and suddenly we didn't need to pirate as much. I could have got hours of entertainment from my 9.99 cd. Sounds like a fine deal but wasn't enough to beat out pirating. There's still free options to everything I watch on Netflix but I still have Netflix. You can still pirate every song known to man for free but plenty of people still pay for Spotify premium or the others similar to it. It's definitely not just about a free option. We've proved time and time again that if you get a better sales model, we will pay for product. I can't claim to know what the best model is but just saying there's a free way to do it isn't completely correct
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are free options for games, music, and software. It doesn't matter if you think $5 is reasonable if the market does not agree. People pirated movies 20 years ago too.
If they are concerned with capturing the piracy market then the service needs to be better or the cost lower.
Have you actually tried renting a movie off Amazon or Google play? Both stream in 1080P and 4K (if available). They have free options and the most expensive rentals are ~$5 in HD. Years ago I would pirating was much easier because it was nearly impossible to find the movie you wanted but Amazon and Google play pretty much have every movie you want out there. Amazon and Google Play are on far more platforms with easy streaming than platforms. You can download items on both for play without internet service.
What more do you want out of the service other than it being cheaper?
movzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:12 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, pirating movies and TV shows 20 years ago was not much easier than buying the movie/show you wanted. 20 years ago was 1997. You either had a significant, multi-day wait while you waited for your shitty dialup to download several hundred megabytes or you were scrounging for a VHS/DVD copy from local guy and paying for that instead.
It doesn't matter what I want out of a service. We aren't talking about me. We are talking about the market.
Music piracy has all but died because of things like Spotify, Pandora, YouTube, Google Music, etc. Legal, cheap, convenient.
Game piracy has taken a massive hit thanks to services like Steam, GoG, Humble Bundle, etc. Legal, cheap, convenient.
TV and movie piracy is as rampant as ever. The market is saying the existing scenarios are not the right combination of cheap or convenient. Go to any thread talking about trying to legally watch Game of Thrones for evidence of that.
How many separate video services do you need to subscribe to in order to get access to, say, 80% of recent content? What is the cost of that? You may feel that it is reasonable to subscribe to multiple services to obtain access to the videos, and that is fine, but your feelings are irrelevant to what people are actually doing. If you want to capture the piracy market then you need to lower cost or increase convenience.
mr_e_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it is. It was expensive at Blockbuster and other rental places because there wasn't any other option, they were free to dictate pricing. With an option on the market that is high quality and free, the real competition should be in convenience.
back in the 90s, if I wanted to see a movie that was out on video my options were to buy it for $20 or rent it for $7, or hope that a friend had it and borrow it. Now one of the options on consumer's plates is to just get the thing they want. It might take a bit of hassle, but the price is right, and pirate services are constantly improving at a rate proper ones haven't been able to match. 10 years ago I'd watch something on Megavideo then get told I couldn't watch anything for another 48 minutes. When MV got shut down a better option appeared, and that's carried on pretty well. Every time you shut down a pirating site, someone who's had an idea for how to run one better shows up. Ironically Piracy has only improved the more it's fought against.
It's not just the price that keeps people pirating, either. any service you're paying money to might not have licensing rights to a movie or show, and even if they do, they often take a good while to put it up. Piracy doesn't care for who has the rights to what, it puts it all out there for the public, and it does it with unbelievable speed. It's not just the price tag that's keeping the sails going here. If pirating websites charged a similar fee to Netflix or HBO Go, or any of the many services I'd have to get all together for the same selection, they would still be offering a far superior product. That's the real issue here, no one can compete with the product, even if it wasn't free.
That's cool. For me I generally only watch a movie once and be done with it so paying 25% and being able to (Hopefully) enjoy the movie is a good enough value for me.
Hell buying a DVD is cheaper than a movie ticket. And they wonder why people don't go to movies! One time view with annoying people all around or own it. Lemme think about that.
I use Usenetserver as my provider, Newsbinpro as my client, and DogNZB and NZBgeek as my NZB databases.
Some initial costs involved but worth it IMO. Blu-ray and UHD ISOs download at full speed and I'm done with a 45-100GB file well before a 4GB "rip" torrent would finish.
I'm not sure what you mean by lifecycle. Once something is posted to the newsgroups then it's there for as long as the provider's retention, usually 6-7 years for most premium providers.
AFAIK most releases are done privately through IRC then make their way to FTPs, newsgroups, file locker sites, then torrents.
That's what I meant, where they are available first
You answered it :)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man I completely forgot about newsgroups.
I've stopped pirating altogether but remember paying ยฃ15 a month back in the day for unlimited downloads for a news net site. Those were the days. Paying for piracy!
garrypig ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 18:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah like, renting 2 movies for 24 hours costs the same as Netflix for a month. Do they not understand that people don't like exorbitant prices and premiums? Why shouldn't I pirate if I already pay $45/ month for various streaming services, and if your movie isn't on any of those, I'm not going to pay an extra $5 for only one movie.
Because the percentage of people who put their heads down and pay the asking price and jump through the hoops for content are plenty enough to sustain them.
JD-King ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point you could probably find it in a discount theater for cheaper anyway.
sakkara ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a serious problem paying a cable company for them to fuckin' advertise to me. Nah, that shit better be free if you're gonna spam me with commercials. Fuck off.
I'll pirate that shit. Or I'll just stream my Prime, Netflix, and such with no commercials and it's easy and it's not expensive.
No need to pirate games to try them out anymore, steams refund policy is super loose as long as you've played under 2 hours. I've never had a refund request denied
I wanted to watch The Fifth Element. I searched online for anywhere I could legally stream it. No option available at all that I could find. What else am I supposed to do?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rent it... Its about as expensive as a cup of coffee and lasts a hell of a lot longer.
Don't get me wrong, if there's some shit I really like I'll go out and buy it. But I'm not paying for just any shit, not when I can get it for free online.
Steam has a really decent refund policy. So I don't think u need to pirate game to try things out. The only motivation to pirate game is probably censorship in ur countries, and maybe languages.
Arrent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This line of thinking actually was the main argument I used for an essay recently. I always thought pirating was really bad, but after reading some stuff by Lawrence Lessig, I've been pretty swayed by the idea that it isn't fair to call it criminal because that's calling the majority of normally law-abiding people criminals, which is especially problematic when (I'm guessing without evidence) most pirates are millennials.
While it's fair to just consider it a problem with people doing things illegally, another good view for it is that services need to keep up with our quickly-growing technological needs. I've seen countless people testify that if the product was just more readily available, it'd be less convenient to pirate it, and it becomes worth paying for. This puts a lot of the burden on the companies producing things, but it's a good alternative perspective to what I've believed for a really long time.
I do the same thing with pirating games - I use it as a demo. I really wish that more developers would release demos nowadays, like they used to back in the day - I know a lot of game models wouldn't work with it, but maybe do a "you get three hours of playtime to decide" type deal. Most of the games I've pirated I've gone on to purchase, and the only ones I didn't end up buying were generally shit-tier games with really nice trailers that, in the end, didn't deserve the money, IMO.
The last time I said that demos should be more commonplace, I was told that I was an entitled piece of shit to even think that trying something before buying it was a good thing. Thanks, /r/gaming!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got slightly annoyed by the fact that you suggested Google Music/YouTube for music and not Spotify. Point taken, though.
GPM also lets you upload and stream your own music library without ads, completely for free. I'm surprised no one talks about this feature.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to use that feature until I discovered how affordable Spotify Premium was. Now I'll never go back to the barbaric ways of having to download songs by brute force, takes way too much time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, Steam has made me never want to pirate a game again. The fuckery I had to go through to install some of them. I'll just pay with any service I want to, download and at immediately. If I don't like it I ask for a refund. Steam has killed game piracy entirely for me. Spotify has killed all music piracy for me. The only piracy I still need to see eliminated is movies and shows. Netflix has nothing I want to see and when I go on vacation and can't use internet I like to have 6 seasons of whatever show I like downloaded to watch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:48 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/TerrariumTV, easier than TPB. Works great with a Chromecast.
In today's dollars, a Blockbuster new release was about $10/rental. Content is expensive. Young people don't want to pay what content costs.
What that will lead to remains to be seen, but the most likely outcome is some combination of lower quality content and less content with the remaining choices aimed at a wider audience (think summer blockbusters).
Why not use Netflix's mail service? It's on par with Redbox pricing with much better convenience and a nearly exhaustive collection. Basically the service you want already exists.
I have bought several games because of the demo.
Exactly, there is either no demo, itโs far later after the game releases and/or is so short or restrictive they kill the fun out of their own game. They need to go back to putting out quality demos!
right? i lost my collection of random pirated music i had acquired over the years to a poorly backed up reformat. now that I use google play music I just to a artist search and i have everything i ever need. plus the add free youtube is nice.
You know what stopped me from Pirating music? A single, reasonably priced service that offered me just about every possible song i would want. I havent pirated a single song since Spotify and Google play music.
But not video. Nope, I need Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Showtime, Comcast whateverthefuckitis, Timewarner whateverthefuckitis, Verizon whogivesashit blah blah blah. So, to get all the stuff i want to watch. I pay more than before I cut the cord.
Even though Spotify has a pretty vast catalogue - that doesn't really include everything I listen to, but may be enough for others -, it still hasn't convinced me. Main reason is that I have a 2tb hard drive and a 1mb internet connection, so it would make no sense for me to wait for the songs to load every time if I can have them all here already in the storage space I already have. I also listen to music on my phone while on the street/bus/pretty much all the time I'm not home, and by having them all in a sd card they are available to me absolutely anywhere. With spotify you're not just paying for the music service, you're also paying for the irreasonably expensive data service from a mobile ISP, which doesn't even work 50% of the time, in order to access the music service you already paid for. Downloading music has no inconvenience, while streaming have dozens of them. No, thank you, I respect the effort spotify is doing to provide music legally, but even if I'm able to pay, the pirate way is still superior for several reasons.
Not everything's available on streaming music services, though (unless you count YouTube, but that's rarely legal). I ended up having to rip Alan Wakeman's "Return to the Center of the Earth" just to be able to enjoy Patrick Stewart's fantastic monologue when I don't have an Internet connection.
I havent pirated a single song since Spotify and Google play music.
Never listened to anything on YouTube uploaded by someone who doesn't have the rights?
gefasel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're being slightly pedantic here. The guy is saying he hasn't intentionally downloaded pirated material online.
Watching something on YouTube isn't the same as downloading media. It states in YouTubes terms of service that any video that does not meet the copyright rules will be removed. So you could argue that every video available to watch on YouTube, from a users perspective, is legally free game because YouTube are allowing it to be streamed.
EDIT: Watching "free movie watch online today free" type streams on random websites is illegal because the hosts have shady or none existent terms of service which lead to them being taken down by the authorities. YouTube doesn't get taken down, because they are proactively fighting piracy. So as a user, if it's on YouTube, you may as well assume its legal.
Watching something on YouTube isn't the same as downloading media.
There's no meaningful difference. Streaming a Youtube video is literally "downloading media". The fact that you don't have your computer create a persistent file from the downloaded media does not mean you're not "downloading media".
It states in YouTubes terms of service that any video that does not meet the copyright rules will be removed.
That statement is wrong; tons of videos that don't meet copyright rules are not removed.
So you could argue that every video available to watch on YouTube, from a users perspective, is legally free
And that argument would wrong.
So as a user, if it's on YouTube, you may as well assume its legal.
Why would you make such a blatantly false assumption?
gefasel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: You haven't grasped my point at all. I had a whole page typed out explaining it to you. But I remember this is the internet and you'll just be a dick regardless of whether or not you're right or wrong, so its a pointless endeavor. Have a nice day.
gefasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, but I've been in this situation before. Disagreements on topics that don't have an easily obtainable factual truth are generally topics that involve endless back and forth disagreement. Perhaps you won't be a dick, but I highly doubt you will give me a fruitful debate.
You're not a copyright lawyer, I'm not a copyright lawyer. We have differing opinions and neither of us will concede to the other. It's a pointless discussion to have because we won't gain anything productive from it.
But I am willing to just give you my original reply if you want it.
This right here. The only reason I still pirate music is because I'm a DJ and Spotify doesn't yet have integration with Serato. If it did, I would never pirate any music ever again, even if they charged me another $20/month for Serato integration.
This is why I still have cable and frankly am pretty happy about it. My TV package on top of the Internet is $60. By the time I were to subscribe to enough streaming services to get most of what I want I'd be approaching that anyway. My package includes a DVR, which is used heavily to record and watch later without commercials (guess I'm helping the decline of broadcast television there, oops.)
I also love my sports, so live sports is a HUGE deal for me. Not just ESPN, but all the sports channels including the local networks. This also helps with commercials, if I am watching something live, I can always flip to a game during commercials and then go back. There is always something going on. Plus, I do like just scrolling through the guide and finding new shit.
So maybe I am one of those suckers who is hanging on with live sports. But if live sports goes "Netflix" too then ESPN will be $15/mo, Fox Sports $10, Root Sports $6, Comcast SportsNet $8, etc. No thanks.
Maybe I can't mainline the entire Futurama series in a weekend, but I do know that Futurama is on three different stations every day and isn't going away any time soon.
tl;dr - Cord cutting still doesn't appeal to me.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just get one streaming service at a time and occassionally rent movies for like $4-6.
Havent pirated anything in over a decade. No need to pretend like youre getting screwed. Media has never been cheaper and easier to access.
Pirating lets you get stuff that costs money for free with little to no risk of getting caught. Thats why you pirate, stop pretending like youre some kind of victim whos being forced into it. No its not stealing, you arent literally taking stuff from someone, but you are cheating people out of money.
I just get one streaming service at a time and occassionally rent movies for like $4-6.
I'm fairly certain most people don't have the time or patience to constantly cancel and subscribe again just to avoid paying multiple services at once. It's a legitimate strategy, to be sure, but I'm not convinced that's a solution many people can put into practice.
Well, yeah, I might. You know, if the value of the car was under $50; and the owner didn't lose any actual property, just the opportunity to sell me the car; and there was almost no chance I'd get caught; and it was so widely practiced that it was generally considered socially acceptable by all of my friends. If all of those things were true, then yeah, I probably would steal a car. Especially if I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if I couldn't easily steal it.
I will add: and if the car dealership refuses to sell you the car for no valid reason even though you're willing to pay asking price. Instead they want you to sign up for a $10,000 monthly subscription fee which includes access to 100 different cars but you can only check out one at a time.
Boibi ยท 673 points ยท Posted at 16:21:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
The reason I spend so much money on Steam is because they literally made it more convenient than pirating games. Why can't companies make good business decisions instead of blaming young people.
HBO Go/Now and Netflix know what's up. I'm happy to pay for both services because they exceed my expectations compared to others such as Hulu. Spotify is of the same vein.
HBO GO is a shitshow in Latin America, I have not been able to watch live any GOT episode this last season. I've been paying a full year now but as soon as this season ends, I'm gonna cancel that shit and become an streaminal thanks to their fucking shit service.
Yeah, they do seem to be rushing the plot a bit. Was there a specific reason they only ordered 7 episodes this season?
gefasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No idea.
Maybe it's to do with actors contracts? You know what actors are like, they realise they're irreplaceable so just ask for more and more money until the production becomes cost prohibitive.
The CGI, dragons, cinematics and fights scenes are stellar... as expected with the budget GoT has.
You don't think the writing has changed? Every dialogue so far in S7 has had me cringing... Jon's speech to the people at the night watch: "I need to try and convince her [bla bla]"... Nothing is subtle, the characters are using heavy ham-handed "I" statements. It's like they're not dialed into the same audience from the first six seasons.
Seriously, watch how the dialogues scenes are done, they changed the way they're shot in frame as well... It's like the Soap of Thrones.
The only cringe I've heard so far is Brans beautiful speech to Salsa. I'll have to go back through for a second watch to see what you're pointing out. I suppose it's possible I've just been fully engrossed in the fighting lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crocuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO Go is awful outside North America though. HBO Nordic, here in Sweden no longer registers my credit cards but still takes my money. I've contacted support but without any change. And their app doesn't start.
I for once have a download button on youtube that let me do just that in an instant and then I move it to my phone.
I'd say it's more convenient cause that lets me hear them both on the phone and my PC, I don't need internet connection and it lets me make quick playlist according to what I want to hear.
Pretty much exactly as you say. You mark a playlist as "offline" and it'll download everything on the list so you can play without internet.
Can't recall the last time a song I wanted wasn't found on Spotify.
WentoX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Spotify was released here in Sweden, I deleted my entire 50+gb music folder. Fucking relief, I knew they'd start charging eventually, didn't care. And when they did, they did so at a reasonable price.
Know some people saying Google music is better and cheaper, meanwhile I'm like... Bitch, you gonna get yourself slapped if you keep talking like that.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet i'm finding music from galantis, mitis, kygo, porter robinson etc. on there.
while Spotify also has music from people like DESSO, whom i followed on soundcloud since their very first released track.
Yes, soundcloud doesn't have any contracts with record companies and thus it lacks a lot of originals, but every modern musician start off somewhere, so there's plenty of good music to be found.
If anything it makes it easier to find good music, once you've followed some people you like, you'll get a nice stream of quality music that isn't being bombarded on every social media like more mainstream music ** cough * justin beiber * cough ** is.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
guto8797 ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People overestimate greed and underestimate laziness.
Most people don't pirate movies cuz they don't want to pay the ticket, they pirate because putting on pants, driving, parking, going to the movie is a shit ton more work than just staying at home
Artinz7 ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 17:32:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also because there's 5 different services all with different content. Why would I pay for 5 different things and have to go to each of their apps and search them all individually when I could just go on a free website and know I'll find what I'm looking for immediately. It's not just free, it's a better product, even with it being a virus minefield.
ukrm ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:13:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a good adblocker and virus protection it's not even that hard to avoid virus's.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just it though, it isn't. I've never gotten a virus from pirating, what the fuck are people doing to get viruses? If there's a virus there will be a comment telling you about it.
Other than that, just grab the most popular Torrent and you're fine.
Artinz7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I frequent putlocker most often, I say it's a virus minefield because if you're an idiot, you'll yet a virus. Don't install any extensions they want you to, don't click any prompts, and you'll be fine. The point was to convey that even though the pirate sights are attempting to actively infect your computer, they're still better than the paid options. Not that you'll actually get a virus
Use piratebay. If the uploader has a green or purple skull, they're O.K. If there is a high number of seeders (30 or above) then its O.K. Always check the comments just in case.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, well i'm not familiar with that one, i'll only ever use piratebay or zooqle.
so unless people start clicking ads (which zooqle doesn't have regardless) then you're good, and honestly, if you're clicking ads on the internet, you probably deserve a virus anyways.
I honestly don't think I'd recommend any free streaming site over something legitimate.
Like, go for it if you're broke and can't afford anything or just want to check something out before committing to paying for it but don't do it just because you want to be cheap because they're all pretty terrible.
But to answer your question, Putlocker usually has everything you could want.
Basically. Going over this thread it would seem they need a single service that provides every tv show or movie in hd and it needs to be 15 bucks a month. Anything less than that and it is pirating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't pirate movies cuz they don't want to pay the ticket
Bull shit. People pirate netflix a bunch. They pirate hbo. Both of those are very easily streamed for a very reasonable price. People do it because it is free.
I was a huge game pirate when I was a kid. Since I got my steam account I haven't pirated a single game (at least none that are actually on steam). Why? Because the service is great. The games are cheap if you know when to buy them. The game updates itself. You don't have to look for keygens or cracks online. Totally worth it!
I don't pirate anything that's on Netflix but if it's not, then I'll pirate it. I'm not paying for more than one streaming service just because tv companies can't figure their shit out.
Your entire post is exactly where I'm at. I'll buy my games on Steam because they've made it convenient and accessible. I've got Netflix and cable, but if something's not on either, I'm going to find it one way or another.
I pirate games to see if I like em before buying. Bought too many games for 50$ I barely enjoyed or played.
Now I'll support the developer only if I like their finished product.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only games I pirate anymore are ones that don't have demos, so I can try before I buy. Mass Effect Andromeda was the most recent but it was maybe two years before that last time I bothered.
Even Origin managed to get their shit together on fixing their service, I mean come on. When you're getting outdone by EA you have a shit business model for content distribution.
Well, I don't believe in intellectual property rights in the current formulation, and don't think I'm doing anything wrong at all by torrenting a movie. But if you don't agree with that, and you do think rights owners are allowed to decide who gets "their" content based on who's paying, the fact that piracy is convenient is completely irrelevant.
At least you're honest. So I assume you would be ok if your boss decided he no longer thinks you have a right to be paid for your work product and just not pay you this week?
I have a right to be paid for work I've done on the condition that I be paid for it. I've never agreed to pay a studio money for a film they make, therefore that condition does not exist in that situation. However in a situation where a guy has said to me "Sweep this floor all week, and I'll pay you $10 an hour", the condition does exist.
And the film is the studios property, they have a right to charge for it. Just like a Broadway play has a right to charge admission if someone wants to watch, if you snuck in the backdoor you could be punished just like if you pirated a movie.
I already said that I don't believe in intellectual property. A film (unless you mean literally the physical film), is just information. Information is not property, but if we want to define it as such, then suddenly I'm okay with stealing in some cases.
You make a loaf of bread, that's your property. I walk in, I take it, now I've got a loaf of bread, and you don't. That's stealing. You make a movie, I come in, steal all your copies, I've got a movie, and you don't. That's stealing. You make a movie, release it, some guy violates the agreement he made upon purchase to not distribute it on torrent sites, I come along, I download it from him, now I've got a movie, but you've still got the movie. There's nothing you had before I downloaded it that you no longer have as a consequence of my downloading it. That isn't stealing (aside from the fact that the word "stealing" has been misused for so long now that the dictionary actually changed the definition to include this).
I don't believe people have an inherent right to control the reproduction of information in the world simply because they originated it, and I don't believe information is property, therefore arguments to do with stealing, or anything else rooted in the idea of property rights don't enter in to the debate. If anybody wants to claim that people do have such rights, or that information is property, those are positive claims, and it's always up to the positive claimant to support their claims.
Distribution of a movie you've made is labor, and you have a right to charge for your labor and attach any conditions to that that you like, of course. So in practice, you make a movie, you keep it secretly on your hard drive, and then make people pay you $15 for it and agree to a contract saying they'll pay damages if they distribute it, all of that is fine. But the third party - in this example, me - who comes along and copies the movie from that person, without stealing anybody's property, or violating any contract they've entered in to, has done nothing wrong.
Edit: though I don't buy many movies, just a few. I'm mostly content to watch what's available on my several subscription services. If you'll read my other replies you'll see my main issue is with how live sports are restricted.
Second edit: I should add two things: First, that I also borrow movies on DVD from the library which is legal and free. Second that I will watch something if it's on youtube though that's usually as a result of coming across documentaries. I'm sure there are often copyright issues involved with youtube but their takedown process is so aggressive if the owner cared it wouldn't be on youtube. And some of these things are up for ten years.
Obviously you're not, otherwise you wouldn't have added that analogy after it. That's exactly what asking price is. They offer it to you for their price. If you were willing to pay asking price, then you wouldn't have even made this comment.
My point was much more about cable bundling. Like $150 a month for 300 channels I will never watch.
I watch live sports. MLB has a streaming service I pay $100 a year for. It's awesome EXCEPT they won't show in-market games. In Reno that means no Giants and no Athletics.
I also pay for various streaming services to watch NFL. Those include Playstation Vue and (this year) Amazon Prime. NFL blackouts are considerably worse than MLB. The literal only way to legally watch every game live is via Directv. Directv is an absolute rip-off. Without hyperbole, I would pay $500 a season for every NFL game in HD streaming.
SO, that was my point. Not all items are even offered for sale. Not unless you want the bloated and otherwise-useless contract.
I understand your point, but the problem you are talking about is that the price is too high. Not that the content doesn't exist. For example, I am a "striminal" when it comes to content that is not available on any paid stream site (I have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, HBO Now). If it is not available on any of those, and not available anywhere else for pay, then I check my local Family Video. If it's not there, I'll stream it. That's much closer to the content not being available than not being willing to pay $500 for football.
I completely understand not paying that much. It's outrageous. But you can't simply justify it by saying it's unavailable, because it's not. To be clear, you don't even need a justification. I was just pointing out that your justification isn't really accurate. Also, the NFL suspended their blackout policy three years ago.
I WOULD pay $500 for a season of football, every game, pre and post season, in high def. "They" won't let me. The only way to legally get every game in HD is with some garbage Directv package plus pay extra for Sunday Ticket.
As for blackouts, for example, even though PS Vue has NFL Network the Thursday Night games are still blacked out.
I'll go even one step further and say it's not even the price so much as the contract. I don't want to sign up for 2 years, literally half of which I will not use at all. If I could turn it on during football and turn it off after the season I would not mind Directv. It's forcing me to pay for garbage I will never watch, most of which is 1/2 commercials, that I cannot abide.
And especially if I wasn't going to buy the car anyway unless I got it for basically free because I can always just go play a game, and in fact watching it for free makes me MUCH more likely to pay for it because I might like it and get the good quality version which I would never do without watching it first which I would never do without doing it for free it even if I couldn't watch anything else either for free.
A crime is a crime no matter what. A civil violation is only a civil violation when you're found responsible for someone's loss/damage of civil assets (money, property, etc). In a criminal trial, you're proving whether or not a crime has in fact been committed. In a civil trial, it's not a question of whether or not they DID anything wrong, per se, but rather whether they should be held responsible for compensating the accusing party. If you ARE found guilty of a civil violation and don't pay them, then it does become a criminal defense after all.
So if you worked to make something, you wouldn't want to be paid for it? I myself only pirate/stream if I need to watch something really obscure or something that costs hundreds of dollars to import. For the rest, come on, the people making the films deserve the money.
There is a lot of justification going on in this thread. If they live in a country where they can't pay for it, I get it. But otherwise they are just coming up with excuses. I pay for everything I watch. Sometimes I can't watch a show because I don't own that service, and that's okay. If a movie isn't good enough for me to pay to see it, I don't see it either. It isn't hard in America to financially support the content you like.
2brun4u ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, if it was a reasonable price I would pay for it, I pay for both Spotify and Netflix, and buy the odd album from BandCamp. If it's not on those sites, it's on the content maker for not mKing their product easily distributable
jmuzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never disagreed with that, which is why I have hardly done it since I was finally able to get a decent job and finished paying off my student loans. Before that though, hooo boy... The people making the films were really not getting what they deserved from me.
Matsyir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My justification for this, if you care, is that there are a shit ton of artists (not just music, think everything that is art) out there, doing it for the love of the art they create, and all they would like is for people to enjoy what they create, and the they even pay for services/tools while offering everything they do for free. I think marketing/money ruined the entire art industry. It's not about who can make the best music, or the best shows, or the best paintings, it's about who can advertise themselves the best (assuming the creation is at least decent). I cant completely speak for shows/movies, since they have a much bigger cost than making music does, but the same point applies.
I disagree. You're basically killing any professional art/media with that argument. If I devote my time to making a movie, and spend money to make the movie (or spend time I could be working to write a book or make music), I'm going to need to get paid. Nobody would make movies if it meant just being happy with people enjoying your production. Your argument means that any producer of books, music etc. needs to work too besides his making art. I agree though that marketing did destroy the music industry, but you can't demand of people to put in hours and hours of their time (where they could be earning money in a paid job) for free.
Matsyir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess we just disagree then. I make music but I will never sell it because I just want anyone who wants to hear it to have easy access for free. I don't think any kind of access should be behind a paywall.
Nobody would make movies if it meant just being happy with people enjoying your production.
I'm sure there are many people out there that would love to make movies. That's the case with a lot of musicians and graphic artists. If you go to somewhere like soundcloud, there are thousands of very talented artists with tons of free content but have nearly no recognition compared to some less talented, very popular/mainstream artists (I don't include myself in this, I'm not that experienced yet). I imagine it's kind of the same thing in all art domains. Money can come from other places than the content itself though, like concerts, art galleries, theatres, donations (especially if you livestream/youtube, but even without).
As a writer to be: Yes, I'd want to be paid for it. No, I wouldn't bother if people wanted to not pay for it. I'd rather people enjoyed my books and shared the word. Not because marketing is good, but because I would write if I didn't expect to make a single cent. I simply want to share what's in my mind. If I get paid? That's good. If I don't? That sucks.
I agree, there should be a way for people to make money out of their creative work. However, that way shouldn't be paying for access to information. There are several alternatives presented and discussed at a google search's distance. I'll leave you with the relevant Wikipedia Article.
gryts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pay a reasonable price for it if it was slightly better than the free alternative.
Especially that last sentence. The vast majority of stuff I've pirated is stuff I would have never paid for. They need to stop acting like every download is lost revenue when that's not nearly true
The people who actually made the car were already paid all they will be for their labor, so the only part of the production process that is losing out is the part that contributed nothing material to the creation of the vehicle.
frotc914 ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 15:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhhh that's pretty crap logic. It's like saying "the lab researchers already got paid when they discovered this medicine, egro I should be able to have it for free." You're repaying the investment and/or funding the next project that they do.
Yeah piracy isn't really "right," there's too much justification going on. Just accept that you're poor and don't want to have to pay the often outlandish prices for entertainment.
edit: i don't recall asking to hear your justifications. i don't give a shit
frotc914 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real. I steal media a bit too but I'm not going to pretend I'm fucking Robin Hood or that I'm entitled to it.
For sure. I'm trying to stop pirating stuff because I care about creators. That aside, there's plenty of properties I've bought only because I had the opportunity to pirate it.
Or that you don't care about supporting the industry. Some people honestly don't and that's fine, but it's weird to be on some high horse about why you pirate movies.
Just accept that you're poor and don't want to have to pay the often outlandish prices for entertainment.
I'd pay money for what piracy offers me and I wouldn't use legal streams for video content even if all of them were free.
It's not just the price, it's also convenience of having everything in one place, being able to use any media player I want and having video files that I can conveniently hoard.
That's ignoring the fact that Netflix has 12% of the US library in my country, and plenty of video services with their exclusive shows are completely unavailable.
I wonder what you're really arguing. ''Pirating is bad and you shouldn't make ''excuses''?"
That seems to be your premise but I fail to see a justification for why you believe that.
Because I do pirate my shit and go on with my life. Yet I do live in moral tranquility with my actions. If I pretended there WASN'T a justification, then I'd either be an hypocrite or place a low regard on my morals.
As I don't assume to be either, I do have a justification for why I do such things as ''pirate'' media. It would be worse if I didn't. If I honestly thought what I was doing was horrible and hurting society yet I did it anyway out of convenience or greed.
In fact, I have several reasons:
The Euro zone is often treated as a unified pricing region. Cost of living (and thus wages) aren't at all unified. Thus media is simply overpriced. 60โฌ is a heck of a lot when the minimum wage is 500โฌ and when you're essentially paying double for no good reason, a piracy is a bigger form of protest than a boycott, since I assume media companies are assessing losses from piracy.
You're not denying anyone of their property. The reason I don't steal cars is not because it's illegal, although that helps. It's not because it's immoral, as if morality was an applause light that justified my decisions without further pondering. It's because someone would be left without a car that they paid and need. Someone would take a loss from my actions. Insurance does trick me here. For insurances don't actually lose something when you steal cars, they've already calculated their expected profit accounting for the risk of the car being stolen. And even if they did lose something they're not at risk of going bankrupt so no one person would personally be affected besides stock holders, which are highly unlikely to take any grievance from the very tiny hit besides the simple pain of loss.
So if I was being congruent, I shouldn't feel it is bad to rob insured automobiles, so long as it wouldn't increase the robbed person's rating or cause her the trouble of getting a replacement car and transportation to get said car and all the headaches of dealing with the insurance company. That actually seems fine with me.
And this is important for me, even if it isn't a moral issue. If the police took striminals as seriously as criminals I wouldn't pirate shit. I'd be scared shitless of going to jail. So the fact that I can't get away with it pays a role in why I do it. Yet it's not part of my moral decision to steal or not to steal. If I could steal a car in a way that no reasonable loss (more than 10 cents or 10 seconds of their time) would hit any individual person and I could guarantee I wouldn't get arrested? I'd still the shit out of that car with no qualms. Heck, my premises guaranteed that there would be no downsides. I'd call myself stupid if I didn't steal that car, unless I felt like rewarding the manufacturer with my money, out of my own volition, I'd steal it. Buying it would feel more like a donation than a necessary step to acquiring the car, since stealing it would give me the exact same benefits and no downsides to anyone.
The stolen profit argument fails to be relevant when I didn't intend to consume the media at the price offered. I see a game. It costs 70โฌ. I say ''I can't afford that I can't buy it.'' I move on with my life. I repeat the same steps, except I pirate the game and play it. I like it I discuss it with my friends. Which is more beneficial to the company? I'd guess the second one.
I can't see any real harm in this sort of behavior and I'd love if someone could show it to me. However, that argument admits to a high horse I don't ride. I often pirate shit I could afford. I wouldn't buy them without ''trying'' first and seeing if I liked, yet that might as well be the culture of pirating influencing my decisions. I might be more willing to pay to try the media if pirating wasn't a thing. Yet, very often I've tried a series. Liked it a lot. And then proceeded to buy all the hardcovers for my collection, and speak about it ad nauseum until friends did the same. Other times I did try and didn't like. And it's hard to regret not wasting money on something I didn't like.
We used to have libraries to read books without paying. This hardly feels differently except for a much better selection than my local library.
You might argue ''yet, if everyone pirated, creators would lose their profit revenue and would stop creating.''
For starters I'll say that creators wouldn't stop creating if their revenue stopped. Plenty of writers write for free. Some of my favorite works of fiction(Worm, Ra, HPMOR) and non-fiction (Rationality: From AI to Zombies) were offered for me to read. And the quality is absolutely fantastic.
Yet that's not the point. The point is that if we love art, we should love to see the artists remunerated, and that's the whole point of copyright law. Or should be. And I'll concede to that. Although I wonder if copyright law is the answer to that specific predicament. I'm sure all the great minds in our world could make something better for both the creator and the consumer than copyright law.
I'll give a different argument instead, that I hope is enough. The truth is, if what I did influenced what everyone else in the world would do to a significant degree, I would do many things differently. However, it doesn't take much to see how fantastic a super power that would be. Complete influence over all man-kind. I don't have it. Whether I pirate or not pirate is unlikely to contribute to the overall percentage of pirates. And while this sort of apathy is what every single pirate is thinking, it doesn't cease to be true for each individual. If they stopped pirating the rest of the pirates wouldn't stop as well. Piracy would still be a thing. And every pirate would still do it for reasons akin to all my previous bullet points.
Returning to the analogy of stealing cars with perfect insurance. The truth is that if no one stole at all, the risk of stealing wouldn't exist and people wouldn't need to pay insurance regularly.
However, after stealing ALREADY exists and companies and people alike are ALREADY paying for insurance basing my decisions on a world where they DON'T is entirely irrational. Wishing it doesn't make it so and we have to make our decisions based on our reality, not on how things would be in an ideal world.
I might wish we lived in a world where workers surplus value isn't amassed by owners of the property the workers depend upon to do said work [whether we call this world communist or alrabestic is completely irrelevant to me], yet I'm not gonna make my decisions as if that was already the case. I'm not going to deny the opportunity to fund a company, explore employers surplus value and live a much more comfortable life because ''ideally'' I wouldn't have said power. That's lunacy. Instead, I wish I'd use said power to make the world closer to my ideal world as I possibly can using the resources I gained by following the real rules of the world at my disposal.
Whatever you've gotta do friend, I don't give a shit. Fact is you aren't entitled to media unless you pay for it through legally acceptable means. But you want to consume media and don't want to go through the hoops, I get that. That's just the way it is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes there are no legal hoops. For a long time shows like GoT wouldn't air for weeks or month after the English release and also not with the original synchronization in Germany. Some shows are not available for years. So I go through even more hoops than sitting on my couch and subscribing to yet another channel which doesn't even air the show in time.
On some sites the subtitles for GoT have been downloaded a couple thousand times only minutes after the airing finished in the US. Which indicates how freaking many people pirate this show. For GoT they slowly pick up what the consumer wants at least and offer the show for around ~3-4โฌ per episode on demand one day after. As long as pirating is cheaper (~10โฌ/month) and more convenient, it will stay the same. Music portraying basically died with the creation of Spotify and I doubt he licensing in the music industry is much easier than in the movie industry.
Another stupid example. Sometimes I want to watch a show on amazon prime but they don't provide the English subtitles. What do I do? I think you can guess by now.
You've got a good excuse. I'm talking about middle class Americans, not you. Still though, you aren't entitled to media. I mean I like to think we are but that just isn't true.
I pay for Netflix and Amazon video actually. I may pirate other content but I also buy alot off Blu-ray sets for shows I like.
It's the reality of the market, if you aren't going to provide the content when and how striminals want it than they will pirate it. The problem lies with distribution and publishing deals and less with the end consumer.
if you aren't going to provide the content when and how striminals want it than they will pirate it.
Lol "If you don't sell cars cheap enough, people will keep stealing them! It's really a problem more with auto distributors than the end consumer/thief".
So you pay for Amazon Prime, right? Then you could literally have basically any bit of media ever within a couple days. You just don't want to pay for it.
It's still easier to pirate a lot of shows and movies than it is to get them through illegal means. Like, if it's not on Netflix I have to figure out where I could buy it from...or I can just go to pirate bay.
I haven't downloaded game torrents in ages because of steam. There needs to be a similar platform for video offered by cable companies for a reasonable price.
Deckkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for pretty much all my movies. But when I see all these stories about hollywood accounting I have a hard time feeling morally obligated to do right by these companies.
Hollywood accounting (also known as Hollywood bookkeeping) refers to the opaque or creative accounting methods used by the film, video, and television industry to budget and record profits for film projects. Expenditures can be inflated to reduce or eliminate the reported profit of the project, thereby reducing the amount which the corporation must pay in taxes and royalties or other profit-sharing agreements, as these are based on the net profit.
Hollywood accounting gets its name from its prevalence in the entertainment industryโthat is, in the movie studios of Hollywood at a time when most studios were located in Hollywood. Those affected can include writers and actors.
"The lab researchers already got paid when they discovered this medicine, ergo all future value derived from their labor belong to me" - the lab researchers boss.
frotc914 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the lab researcher's boss paid them to do research even if they never discovered a marketable medicine, so...yes?
I don't understand your point. The "boss" did pay them in this scenario. And if he didn't, the researchers would have fancy degrees and nothing of value nor any food to eat. That's why they enter into a mutually beneficial agreement. The business takes on the risk, agrees to pay them regardless of whether they make a marketable drug or not, and gets the majority of the reward. They also pay for the materials, lab space, and all the thousands of support staff it takes to legally sell a single pill.
They can't, because their boss doesn't pay them enough for them to save enough to buy a new lab. Why would that even be a reasonable option when most people don't have the resources to fund their own lab?
That argument is very strange.
For any other industry I'd agree with you, but media producers don't need investment money. I'm pretty sure the major companies could release every movie for free for the next 40 years and still be in the black.
frotc914 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Merck and pfizer aren't exactly begging for change either. Generally something isn't determined to be theft based on how much money the 'victim' has.
Legally they don't. Morally it differs from person to person. Specially when the 'victim' is a corporation and no particular individual would actually be left ''hurting''.
And when legality isn't enforced (as in piracy cases) then morality is all that will restrain people from not upholding the law. And some people don't have in their moral code to follow the letter of the law when it contradicts their own moral code.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the lab people and the manufacturers, the third party sellers like walgreens would suffer.
Investing isn't labor. Investments, when it isn't just part of a rent seeking scheme in which capital moves to collect interests, at best can conscript the labor of someone else.
murder1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But no one would be producing this media you want to consume (at least not at these production values) if they weren't getting money back on their investment.
I work in the final inspection and pack out department for a company that makes wheels for cars. We don't add physical value to the wheel, so if we exceed expectations in our production output, we get a pat on the back, while the department before us would get food parties and other like bonuses.
Ok, we don't add physical value to the wheel, but we make sure other departments didn't screw up the wheel before shipping and we pack the wheels so they can be shipped!
This argument that you have to add something material to not lose out makes me mad...
No. He is replicating the cars at the dealership and rides home with the replica. The dealer still has the same number of cars at his shop. Dealer is still able to sell those. Striminal is not even stealing his customers.
You keep saying stealing, but no stealing is going on. It's copyright infringement, not stealing. Stealing is theft; a different crime.
Theft is wrong and illegal not because someone is getting something for free, but because something is being taken away from someone and they no longer have it.
You don't have permission to access the data, the second it goes to your computer/fire stick/etc, it's stealing.
Change the definition if you want. Or don't. It doesn't matter. You didn't pay for it, the developer doesn't want you to have it, you're not entitled to shit. I torrent just about everything, but I'm not in denial about the morality of it. If I steal something from a store, I know I'm stealing it. This shit is no different.
I'm not changing any definitions here, you are. Legally, copyright infringement is a completely different thing, unrelated to stealing. Hell, if you're not doing it for profit, it's not even a crime, it's a civil infraction. Hell, here in Canada, only distributing copyrighted content (torrenting for example) is illegal, so as long as you're only receiving it (streaming), not distributing it, it's completely legal. Stealing something from a store is something completely different, and it's definitely illegal, regardless of the circumstances, everywhere in the world.
Is watching OTA TV with an antenna stealing? What if you had a really big antenna and could watch OTA TV from the other side of the world? Is it harming anyone? Is anyone being deprived of anything? Would I watch these shows if I had to pay for them? Probably not. Do I even have the option to pay for these shows if I wanted to? In a lot of cases, no. So, who's exactly losing anything here? They aren't missing property they owned, they aren't missing a sale because I couldn't or wouldn't have bought it otherwise. Is it immoral? Maybe? In any case it's definitely not theft. It's something different, and you can't just apply blanket statements like "You're stealing!" to the situation. There's more nuance than that.
Don't bring fire sticks into this argument. They haven't stolen any long numbers in root 2 from any media companies; they still have their really long numbers in root 2.
They may have also cloned a bar of chocolate from a chocolate factory, and then given out the cloned bars for people to eat free, but the bar of chocolate itself hadn't been stolen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is air a paid service? Unless you're stealing scuba tanks, that comparison isn't even compatible with this argument. Lol, the mental gymnastics are incredible.
HBO need the air you expel to fund future content and to support the infrastructure to pump that air to you. They turn the resource you provide into different types of air for you to try and to make more of the air you already like.
Expelled air has funded The Sopranos, Generation Kill, Band of Brothers, Game of Thrones, Deadwood, Westworld, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Oz, Last Week Tonight, and many many others.
That's the agreement you enter into when you decide to consume their air - you give them something in return. Otherwise you're just being selfish and taking yours without giving some back in return to support the effort.
(Also, I have an active Satellite subscription, including HBO, Starz, all that shit and Netflix, Hulu, XM Radio subs. I just like to download obscure shit no one is even offering for sale anymore. Game of Thrones isn't going to get cancelled because I downloaded a non-greenlit pilot.)
It's wrong to only take when the entire apparatus is built on reciprocation in order to sustain production.
Good for you for being a subscriber. "You" on this case was a general statement about the subject of the thread and the taking of an item some view as digestible with no downside for failure to contribute.
The idealist systemization of how it should work would be great if the reality wasn't responsibility-free anarcho-egoism for the rich, and duty/obligation for the non-rich.
Yeah, fuck all that. It's not a free service. Help out and support the creation and distribution of the content or consume something else that you can support or doesn't need it.
Alright how about this. I have a box of VHS and DVD, they have every popular movie and tv show in them, and i got them all from a friend. Im going to pass these down to my kids, or someone else. Is this illegal? do you want me to feel guilty for this? What about when your parents were paying for cable or rented movies, hope you didn't sneak a peak or thats pirating. Hope you didn't watch cable at your friends/grandparents/anywhere you didnt pay for it cause that makes you a criminal.
I'm simply pointing out that it is different from stealing an actual, physical object, thereby depriving the owner of said object. It is like taking a photo of Mona Lisa and hanging it on your wall, as apposed to actually stealing the original. It might or might not be immoral, it should or should not be a crime. This a recent problem without a simple solution.
But a picture of the Mona Lisa is objectively different and distinguishable from the original thing. A more accurate analogy would be scanning the Mona Lisa and then 3D printing a perfect copy.
Is that supposed to be an analogy to entertainment? Becuase that's not how entertainment works. On-screen talent gets paid based on sales/viewings/etc.
Well, yeah, I might. You know, if the value of the car was under $50; and the owner didn't lose any actual property, just the opportunity to sell me the car; and there was almost no chance I'd get caught ; and it was so widely practiced that it was generally considered socially acceptable by all of my friends. If all of those things were true, then yeah, I probably would steal a car. Especially if I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if I couldn't easily steal it.
All that other stuff doesnโt matter, if i could steal a car right now and be 100% sure i wouldnโt get caught, i wouldnโt think twice about it.
For people to make money, their product must be sparse. You cannot sell something abundant like air (well, unless you slap a fancy label on it and find idiots with too much money). And most things were sparse in some way. A bread can only be (properly...) eaten once, and for a book it gets very complicated to copy it so you can at most read it one after the other.
Digital technology is at odds with that. There is practically no extra cost to copying a movie or muic album a couple thousand times.
Decades ago people hoped that this would exactly lead to the end of scarcity based economics. But instead we decided to enforce capitalism since we didn't adopt any alternative model of rewarding content creators, and we did it by making digital good artificially sparse through DRM techniques.
It's truly absurd, and has become a major factor in supporting the unprecedented financial inequality in the world.
Jenaxu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more accurate analogy would be "would you steal a ride on the subway"
But isn't it the website creator that is streaming the copyrighted material and possibly making money off of add revenue the one that is committing the copyright infringement and not the visitor to the website? The viewer is not publishing or profiting off of the material, so I am not sure they are even violating those laws.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with downloading torrents. You can download as many torrents as you want but as soon as you start seeding you're in risky territory. I had seeding turned off for a long time (bad form, I know) and downloaded probably a hundred albums without any issues. Then one day something happened and seeding got turned on and I uploaded a music file that was being monitored so my cable company slowed down my internet and made me get rid of uTorrent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out you're right. I misunderstood when I heard torrents aren't inherently illegal, but if the content is copyrighted it's indeed illegal to download. Thanks for calling me out!
So he missing out on a sale and you took something that doesn't belong to you.
You can play the semantics game all you want, but at the end of the day, someone loses money, and you get something that you shouldn't own
If I walk into a store and tell someone that's about to buy something that the products suck, have I stolen something from that store? I've caused the owner to lose out on a potential sale, so by your definition I've stolen.
That's why that logic makes no sense. I can do a million things that cause a loss of a potential sale, that doesn't mean doing that is stealing. Also I didn't take anything, the person who created it still owns it. I made a copy without following the agreement the creator made, that's why it's copyright infringement.
I mean he's not losing money he's losing the potential for a sale. I sometimes pirate games to see if I like them then I buy them on steam. I'm always gonna do that after no man's sky. Not gonna get fucked by a lying indie dev again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CJ_Guns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt that kind of a cop out though? โYeah, I totally wouldnโt have legally bought this, guysโ after youโve already consumed it. Like you only get to justify it.
If Iโm not sure Iโll like something, I just donโt watch/play it until maybe itโs more convenient (like it comes to Netflix or something). What gives me the right to consume media that is charged for, when I can simply avoid consuming it?
er_red ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's talking about "rights", it's about "potential for sale" which is presuming that if you can't consume media illegally, you would buy it guaranteed instead of simply avoiding it.
GX6ACE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, by that logic, if I never downloaded the game, and never was going to buy the game in the first place, are they still in a loss? I wasn't going to buy it previously to downloading, but now that I like it, I may buy it. But you cannot be losing something if the original purchase was never there in the first place.
Oh, so do you have complete 100% proof that there was no way you would ever buy that game? Even if a bunch of your friends gush to you about how good it is? Even if it went on sale?
It's not stealing. These companies have spent billions and it's still not classified as theft. It's copyright infringement.
If you're asking people to be honest with themselves, then you need to do the same. Hell, in a lot of countries it's not even a criminal matter, it's civil. So it's in a completely different ballpark from theft.
It's not stealing because copying is very different from stealing. When you steal something, the owner is deprived of the thing. When you copy something, the owner is not deprived of the thing.
That's why the law about copyright is completely different from the law about stealing. For example you can't legally steal something just because the owner has owned it for over 100 years and therefore they've owned it long enough.
how is it more stealing than letting your friend borrow your VHS copy of the lion king? copyright law isn't great in it's current form and there's no limit on how long they can keep the property for. Im pretty sure it was established in the first place to make sure there weren't 100 people claiming to make the same product like if Sam's cola rebranded as koka-kola
The Congress shall have Power...to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, clause 8.
Ok first off, no, unauthorized downloading is not "stealing." It's indirect copyright infringement. But you know, semantics, right?
Second, I never said it wasn't, my point was that that comparing "stealing" a non-rival good to stealing a regular one is kind of stupid.
But if you want to get into it, there really is a difference between copyright infringement and theft: they have different sets of concerns underlying them (though sometimes these concerns do overlap). The idea behind creating and protecting the concept of "intellectual property" is to create an artificial monopoly in order to compensate artists and inventors for their contributions to society. We do this both out of a sense of fundamental fairness, and more importantly to incentivize the promotion of the arts and sciences.
Ideally the level of IP protection would be just enough to accomplish these twin goals and no more, because anything beyond that is an unnecessary monopoly. I believe most any impartial economist familiar with IP issues would tell you that IP protection levels in the US have been ratcheted up to a supra-optimal level through special interest capture of legislators.
Personally I don't illegally download, but then again I also don't use illegal drugs. That's just me. I don't really do illegal stuff. But I think either of those things, while technically illegal, could be done in such a way as to not really present much of a moral problem.
Yo I stream and pirate all the time too but don't try to justify it man. It doesn't matter how much it costs or if the person actually loses something or not. It's flat out wrong but we do it cause we are cheap / broke
If the car's value was $50,000 and I was ruining somebody's life, I'd probably still very much consider stealing that car if there were no consequences.
FI27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just pirate and go on with your life man.
When is reddit finally going to stop trying to justify pirating. I pirated a few GoT seasons but I'm not going to act like I was in the right while doing it because I wasn't.
not saying it's morally right but aren't the seasons all almost $30 each on iTunes or whatever?
FI27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah hbo series are expensive, I got a deal on my television now so I can watch all hbo series in my tb package, if I didn't I'd pirate them for sure but that doesn't make it right. And I wouldn't go here on reddit to make me feel morally justified.
Don't forget the most important part: Streaming isn't actually illegal. You're not keeping the car, you're just using it as needed. While the people enabling you to use the car could be on the hook for some legal problems, you're not breaking any laws by using it.
WentoX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:31:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even stealing, your friend bought the car, looked at it, and then built another one just like it, and the car dealer is pissed that you got a car they're selling which you didn't pay for.
I felt bad torrenting Atlanta because I love Donald Glover and want to support him, but it was never broadcast on tv here in the UK, isn't available on Netflix or Amazon, and isn't even available on DVD or Blu-Ray for fuck sake.
If you make it this fucking difficult for me to pay for it of course I'm gonna fucking download it illegally you dumb fucks.
phedre ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 16:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I subscribe to Netflix, Amazon Prime, OutTVGo, and Spotify. I buy music and shows/movies on iTunes. But I can't legally pay to watch Game of Thrones in Canada except to pay $70/month minimum for a cable bill, plus a $150 "no contract" fee and a $50 initial sign up fee.
Guess how I watch GoT.
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phedre ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can not subscribe to add-on subscriptions with this billing address, as sign-up and streaming is not available outside of the U.S. and Puerto Rico.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phedre ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I can't find a way to legally watch GoT online, so yarr matey.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phedre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I used to pirate EVERYTHING - music, movies, tv shows, books. Now it's easier to buy music on itunes or stream it on Spotify. Books? I have a kindle. Movies and tv? It's sooo much more convenient to stream on netflix or another on demand service.
But if you make me jump through hoops, it only takes an extra few minutes to fire up my torrent client.
Honestly why are young people who either have low paying jobs or are students and can barely afford to survive day to day life not spending more than they budget for groceries on a service to watch a single program that they can't get otherwise because of dumb exclusivity agreements?
nospr2 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, I already feel that going to the theater once a week is already as expensive as it needs to be, I'm not going to go and pay double the cost of a movie ticket to buy someone on blu-ray.
Because in the UK government assistance is based on your parents salary.
And I got nothing from them. So I'd have to spend most of the summer working 50 hour weeks and then that plus student loans just about allowed me to scrape through.
Yeah, if you can only spend money on 1 thing. It a device like a computer or a console that you can play the same game for 6mo to a year. Itโs a cheap hobby unlike cable TV & tons of other premium content.
If you torrent from your home internet connection on a public tracker you will likely get a letter from your ISP informing you that you were caught and if you keep it up they will cancel your internet service.
So people have to use seed boxes or VPNs, usually hosted in the netherlands, and private trackers to stay under the radar.
I have Netflix, Amazon video, and even Sky. Some of the shows I watch are not available there, and if they do get them some time, it's way too late one year after release. There is literally no way to legally obtain some content in my country because I, for example, can't have American cable TV. And I don't want to pay 30โฌ on iTunes for one fucking season.
Did I ever say it was a human right or are you just trying to be rediculous?
If something you want isn't available or isn't affordable, go want something else. How hard is that?
Harder than just torrenting it and throwing it on my plex server so me and my friends can all watch it.
I'm not trying to be cheap. I pay for three different streaming services but not everything I want is available through them such as old TV shows or foreign shows.
Why should I give a fuck if there is no legal alternative for me but to torrent? What is choosing to not watch that old movie or foreign show going to accomplish?
Like go ahead and be a white knight if that makes you feel good. Maybe they could put that on your epitaph, "RIP NinjaLanternShark - Never downloaded anything. An hero."
What does me not watching it do? A lot of the stuff I torrent is either Canadian or UK shows or really old shows or movies that I couldn't possibly pay for if I tried. Get off your high horse.
yamorii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching it and not paying for it seems like an even more impactful vote.
That's always my plan but I never get around to paying ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ /s
Aikidi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't afford to do this with a lot of things, but I definitely bought the Rick & Morty bluray for instance because I watched the downloads like 100 times and wanted commentary tracks.
Yeah I may stream something like GoT when it gets released each week. I also have all the blurays when they get released. I however and not subbing to hbo go or wtv it is.
Raggak ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's saying that 60% stream, and 9% use other methods, like torrents?
Any way to know if this is accurate? I know anti-piracy agents like to pull statistics out of their asses, so I'd be skeptical anyway, but that sounds like a lot less people torrenting than I'd expect.
It's not saying that the people who use streaming don't also use torrents. So it doesn't put any limit on the number using torrents. It only puts a limit on the number using streaming.
WTK55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I try to. But unfortunately I'm broke 99% of the time so its kind of hard. :/
Follow-up article. Young millennials continue to struggle with basic math.
[deleted] ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 15:59:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite movie, Felidae, is only available on region 2 DVD. I live in region 1. It pisses me off to no end that I can't buy a DVD of my favorite movie of all time because some scrodshitting fucknugget decided to split up the world so that certain DVDs only work in certain countries.
So now, whenever I wanna watch Felidae. I have no choice but to stream it.
My sister, who always gave me shit for downloading music and shows/movies, was using popcorn time and didn't know it was illegal...like how the hell would that be legal?
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It mostly comes down to shitty distribution. Like in The Netherlands, getting Amazon Prime is dumb to do but I do want to watch The Grand Tour, therefore I pirate episodes.
I hate that Amazon Prime is so shitty in Canada too. I'm already paying for unlimited cloud storage, so I could not care less about the unlimited photo storage that comes with it. Now if only I could bundle with the unlimited cloud storage, like instead of paying $60 a year, I'd pay $100 a year and get both storage and Prime, then I would consider Prime, but ain't no way I'm paying $80 for Prime when all it gives me is possibly a series or two I may watch (I already have more to watch than I have time to watch) and saving a day or two on shipping.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a legal way to access your material, nearly most of the time. You might not like it, but there are usually plenty of ways to get your hands on a product.
You seem to have missed my point. My point is that it sucks to pay for Amazon Prime (A service only useful in America) in a country where they practically don't exist. Apart from Kindle e-books, you can't buy anything from amazon.nl. I do not want to pay 60(?) euros a year just to watch a show. I can affort Prime but it's utterly useless and I refuse to buy it for one show.
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Dkill33 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe streaming copywrighted content is illegal. You are not required as the consumer to know if you are watching a copywrited and uploaded with permission from the owner. If someone uploads a video to YouTube I can't be expected to know if they rights to do so.
Legally, you are not allowed to redistribute this stuff or display it publicly.
If you were to accidentally see an illegally redistributed/publicly displayed streamed video, and you were unaware of it being copyrighted material, you could probably be let off if the magistrates/judge/jury are lenient.
Dkill33 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you can't redistribute it. But if you are not the one uploading it you are not committing a crime.
The question I had isn't about leniency. Say you find Spiderman Homecoming on YouTube. The person that uploaded it committed a crime. Google is committing a crime if they don't take it down right away. But if you stumble across it and watch it I don't think that's even a crime. You can't be expected to know that Disney/Sony didn't allow it. You can find movies for free legally(Crackle, Hulu). How can the watcher know if it was upload with the copyright owners consent or not?
What if I accidentally watched 1000's of copyrighted TV shows/movies?
vizzmay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could punish you, they would. They canโt punish you because itโs a logistical nightmare to prove that hundreds of people willingly downloaded pirated material.
Most of the new crop of pirate streaming sites work on P2P technology. So if you watch something on popcorntime you're uploading as well as downloading, just like bittorrent, etc.
rosk4444 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: I notice this comment is getting a lot of upvotes. In the meantime, this_acct_is_dumb has explained to me that they are delineating between streaming and download/torrents. Sorry.
69% engage in video piracy ( i.e. streaming content without paying for it )
of that group, 60% stream content without paying for it
doesn't that mean that 41.4% engage in video piracy?
"HERES SOME BIG LOOKING NUMBER. ITS NOT TRUE, SO LETS ADD SOME FANCY WORDS AND MORE LARGE NUMBERS TO MAKE THE ACTUAL END RESULT SEEM LARGER THAN IT IS."
Actually, this_acct_is_dumb explained that they've delineated between streaming and downloads. Checks out.
testdex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does 60% look huge to you?
I watched the new Rick and Morty on a pirate stream, and occasionally watch the Simpsons or Sponge Bob on YouTube. I'm relatively sure I've seen some porn streams that weren't actually being streamed by the owner.
You really think that more than 2 out of 5 millennials don't occasionally do something similar?
I'd feel worse about pirating media if I actually had decent disposable income.
One day I will pay for entertainment again but that will be once I've got a house so that I am not totally screwed by house prices going up by more than incomes.
I'll support the media industry again when I'm older and more financially stable so that more screwed young people can continue to enjoy entertainment media the way I currently do. And those guys will need it more than I as well, as they will need something to take their minds off how incredibly screwed they are by the current western economic climate.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, agreed. I remember seeing something about piracy that was actually saying something like how millennials are too cheap to pay for entertainment. Some may be, sure, but generally I think they're too poor rather than too cheap. There's a difference!
"Sorry I'm not willing to pay the price for your product but instead of just not using it like I would any other thing I can't afford, I'm going to have it anyway. It's your fault for not making it super cheap, because it's not like you have costs to pay for, right?"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my take on it. Maybe don't pay me shit wages and I'll play your ballgame. Fuck these faceless corporations. They also whine when we want more money for doing more work.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:44:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, let me assure you, they aren't. They're almost definitely aware why we do it. This bullshit is capitalist fueled lies to attempt (extremely poorly) to villainize people who pirate to the public. Obviously, it isn't working, and people resent them for it, but pretty much every time consumers don't give businesses money, they pull stupid bullshit like this.
"Wah! You won't give us way too much fucking money! Waaaah! You're the bad guys!"
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I genuinely like something, I would actually pay for it if
a) it's Avialable in my country
b) if it's reasonably priced
c) doesn't require me to buy into a streaming service to watch it.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guess what... make buying shit as easy and cheap as it is to steal and you've got 69% of a generation buying your shit. Morons.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To stream anything, I have to navigate a maze of websites, many of which are fake or filled with ads. And, then, when I find one that's legit, I'm often stuck with very slow speeds, so it's buffering so much that it's unwatchable.
I think that most people would be willing to pay a nominal fee to avoid all that.
Or, you could just torrent things instead. With qbittorrent, you get a search engine to download whatever you want from all major torrent sites, so with just a couple of clicks, you can download anything.
It amazes me how more people stream shit than torrent.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:03:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm just going to the wrong sites, but torrents are a pain in the ass. Often, I can't find what I want, and when I do, the torrent is old, so nobody's seeding it anymore.
That's why I stressed the search engine. It makes it so it's amazingly convenient to torrent anything.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I just installed it and am checking out the search engine. It does look pretty awesome, and it was able to give me dozens of results for the first few terms I threw at it. Thanks, this might get me back into torrenting again!
Merari01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you'd allow me to buy something I want to watch I wouldn't do that. But I have to subscribe to multiple different services, each to see one show. Bullshit, I'm not doing that.
I want to pay for what I watch. Not pay through the nose to watch a minimal part of your offered content.
And then there's all the stuff that's not even available to buy where I live so I can't watch it legally no matter what.
Oh fuck off. It's the same people bitching about this who lecture millenials about free markets and how it's unreasonable to expect a better standard of living. Your business model isn't viable, adapt or die.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:27:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idiots.
Piracy does not a criminal make.
You can not take someone to criminal court for copyright piracy.
My government gave $30,000,000 of taxpayers money to foxtel. The details of this donation is confidential. As far as I am concerned, Game of Thrones has been payed for in lieu.
Hmm well how about we raise that minimum wage for these striminals? Or give student discounts like Spotify and Apple Music. I'm not saying that will fix the problem, but I'm much more likely to purchase HBO Go rather than torrent GoT if I can actually afford it. I'm at the point now in college where I couldn't even afford to gain the Freshman 15. I go to school full time in a STEM major and work part time so I'm doing the best I can. My organic chemistry book set was over $300. No other option if you wanted to pass the class. You can bet your ass I'm not paying for media that I can otherwise get using a VPN and Vuze.
susrev ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:20:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
watch what they want
Yeah?
when they want
Uh-huh
where they want
Go on
and they don't pay for it.
Wait what's the problem again this sounds pretty great.
Rindan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have two options; either make your stuff available to buy with money, easily, with one of the many services happy to sell your crap so I can buy it, or don't. If you do the former, I'll pay you. If you do the latter, I might just watch it anyways and not pay you.
Your call entertainment industry, but I'm not going to respect your "right" to a shitty monopoly just because you paid off a bunch of politicians to pass shitty laws that no one wants. If you want me to buy your dumb streaming services for a monthly fee and say that if the only legal way to watch something, fuck you. You better buy better politicians, because I'm not following that dumb law without a gun to my head.
On a more serious note - Yeah, we do, and it's because most forms of media are still horrendously overpriced, and often impossible to come by in an efficient and affordable manner. I can't watch half the shit that's on Netflix because of archaic licensing agreements, and I'm definitely not going to pay one year's worth of streaming service subscriptions just to buy a box-set.
I want to pay you, but not if you're greedy. Let me pay you to watch your shit, and I will. Rip me off and deny me access despite the fact that I'm paying? Yeah, you can fuck right off.
angryco1 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:14:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how is Leonardo DiCaprio supposed to afford a private jet if people keep pirating!?
Gee, its almost like Reddit isn't a monolith and contains different people with different opinions
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you like something, you should pay for it and support further creation of the art you enjoy, be it music, film or books. I don't work for free and neither should artists.
Edit: Just so we're clear, if you are truly not financial capable or you live in an area where it is difficult/impossible to get things legally, then I'm not really talking about you. My comment is directed at people who CAN support the artist, but CHOOSE not to.
I don't like it when people pirate content from smaller content creators. When you pay a smaller content creator, you are sustaining them. When you don't pay them, they can't survive.
I can understand it when the content being pirated is from the larger media corporations who already have tonnes of money. They can comfortably sustain themselves.
I also can understand it when the content is otherwise unavailable in the country where it is being viewed from.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't get it legally in your country, then hey whatever you tried download away.
While I see where you're coming from about larger companies, I still am personally against pirating music in that scenario. Yes, they are probably sustainable even through rampant pirating and yes they make money preying on other's artistic abilities. However, if everyone pirates an artists music, and the label doesn't make money off of it, then they just aren't going to produce another album of that artists. Then you're in the same boat and your artist you enjoy will still not be able to produce content.
Yes if only small numbers of people do it, then it's probably irrelevant. But it's just a tragedy of the commons waiting to happen.
It's odd though because if people refrain from listening to music because they can't pay for it, that also doesn't do anything to support the people whose music they don't listen to.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't or won't? There's a big difference. A lot of people who say they can't have no problem buying a latte at 6 bucks a pop or weed, but when it comes time to support artists they claim they like, suddenly they're broke.
If you are actually unable to pay for it, then I understand that and money should not be a gatekeeper to enjoying art. But if you have the money, you should think about throwing some of that to the artist who produces enjoyment for you.
I don't like it when people pirate content from smaller content creators. When you pay a smaller content creator, you are sustaining them. When you don't pay them, they can't survive.
I can understand it when the content being pirated is from the larger media corporations who already have tonnes of money. They can comfortably sustain themselves.
Here's the crazy thing though...
Suppose you're one of the smaller content creators. Would you rather some guy, who is not going to pay for content (perhaps cannot, perhaps will not) -- would you rather he choose to watch/read/listen to free content from the larger media corporations who don't need his money, or watch/read/listen to your content?
Also: would you rather he watch/read/listen to your content without paying, or some legal free public domain content or advertisement-sponsored content?
It's crazy because just watching media illegally (without paying for it) is also a way of supporting it, although not monetarily.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can call it whatever you'd like to feel better, but not supporting small content creators financially is not supporting them at all. You are enjoying their work and you make contribute to more people enjoying their work through word of mouth/sharing whatever, but you're not supporting future endeavors yourself.
I'm not trying to make myself feel better here. Think about what I'm saying. It's a pretty interesting situation.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not though, it's pretty straight forward. Yes the artists wants their work enjoyed over other artists, or at least the same as others, but they want to get paid for it so they can make more. Would they prefer you pirate their music over others? Sure i guess, but they would actually prefer you to buy it. You are not supporting an artist if you aren't paying for their work or at least merch.
Most the money comes from shows and merch. Record companies screw em. And artists signed independently drop free shit a lot. Music is just one medium though. Some books and music I immediately buy. Others, if I know they don't need me to buy it I don't. Or download it with Apple Music and they get a few cents? But does a rapper making $100,000 each night need my pennies? Not really
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they don't need your money per say. They don't need any one individuals money. But they need a certain amount of people to buy the music or they won't get a chance to produce another one. Labels won't front the money to produce an album if your last album sold like crap.
Sure, a lot of individual artists choose to put their music out their for free. But that's their choice to make with their creation, not yours. And they do that in hopes that you like what you hear and support them financially in some manner.
Classic reddit. I have to search by controversial to find just one reasonable comment that's not justifying pirating like it's the modern-day Robin Hood.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I didn't realize this was a controversial opinion. But I can understand, seeing as I tried to make the same justifications when I was a teen.
See, the thing is, I've tried. I subscribe to Netflix, and I've tried to subscribe to HBO go, but I'm outside of the USA, so the only 'legitimate' way would be to pay for sky, then the premium sky packages. Which I'm never going to do. A 'lost sale' to me isn't a lost sale, as the content creators were never going to get my money anyway; there is no way for me to give it to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's understandable, and if you were to go through some of my responses above you I would agree with that. If you've tried to get it legally, but they make it ridiculous, that's on them. You're not really the demographic I'm talking about.
Most Major corporations don't pay fair wages, so I can't afford to
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know your financial situation, nor do I claim to. If you can't afford it, then I'm sure artists wouldn't want you to go without (except Metallica). My comment is directed at people who have the financial capability, but still choose not to support.
And most of us would happily support it. Put in on a website and stream it with regular commercial breaks for revenue. Most of us are fine with that. It's the requirement that we pay $85 per month for 120 channels just to watch 6 shows on 3 different channels that is the problem.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking through this thread, I don't think most people would happily support it. I'm not calling you a liar, but a lot of people seem hell bent on pirating regardless of the ease or cost of getting it legally. Hell, people still pirate music despite having ad-supported streaming services free of charge. Granted, Reddit is not representative of society as a whole, but there's plenty of people who will always just pirate because they don't want to pay for peoples' work.
Art is subjective and alot of it is derivative garbage
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it's subjective and yes a lot of it is crap, what's your point? I'm not advocating you buy shit you don't like. I'm sure their is some art you find good and enjoyable, and that's who you should support
As a musician we happily give our music away for free online, but that's not where the money is anyway, it's all about the live show and merchandise which people still pay for
1) You won't allow me the freedom to watch things at my convenience
2) You won't allow your content in my country
3) You price your content so highly that even when I want to buy, I can't
4) Even if I buy your content, I don't own it. I just get the right to use it for some time (this is relevant more with games and software)
And then you wonder why we pirate.
Obligatory related Indian fact: Netflix India that has nearly no useful content for an average Indian costs more than $11-12 per month. Amazon video costs less than $9 for the whole year and has more relevant Indian content.
Yup, damn fucking skippy I do. As soon as you make consuming your product a manageable process i'll consider paying for it. But until then locking my content when I travel, randomly shuffling around licenses between dozens of different subscription services, forcing me to pay for cable for the privledge of then paying you for your service, and giving me an overall lessor experience if I pay for content through unskippable ads and region locking is going to have me reaching for streaming programs like Kodi before I ever give you a dime every single time.
Why would someone downloading the stolen content be held accountable/considered a criminal? Shouldn't it be law enforcement/ISP's responsibility to go after the people that are actually stealing the content and the host providing it to be downloaded? I know its complicated, i just dont understand it i guess.
Many of the hosts are in other countries that aren't subject to their copyright laws. So that isn't going to happen. Best they could do is try to block them. But that's a game of whack-a-mole.
Something that pisses me off about things like this is it assumes we don't pay cuz we don't want to or can't. I recently DLed a few seasons of the Simpsons because I couldn't stream them or purchase digital copies anywhere. So I just said fuck it and pirated it.
lydocia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to add a correction:
We want to watch what we want, when we want, where we want and we do want to pay for it, but we don't have a medium to do it!
If someone would make a lovechild between Steam and Netflix, where I can either order a series/film on-demand or get a subscription to watch anime or films that are currently in the cinema, I would very much love to throw my money at it. But if you don't make it available and easy to pay for, streaming / piracy is the easiest and usually the only available way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jjg0750 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gen Xer here, I used to play by the rules, bought tons of music and movies from iTunes. Then I switched to android and lost that media content. So now I'll just pirate. Play by the rules and get fucked, I'm not going to play by the rules then
TV packages cost a fortune, and the shows I watch are obscure and widespread. Paying $3 per episode to watch everything I watch in a very situation-specific format is too much. I buy DVD releases but they never come out for a lot of my favorite shows. Watching TV shows never used to be this complicated and infested with advertisements. Streaming really has become the only sane thing to do.
A lot of piracy is based around not being able to see said content legally. Iโll admit that I canโt see Doctor Who without pirating it, so it happens. If I had legitimate means to watch it legally Iโd do that.
Sengura ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:32:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What are ya in for, kid?"
"Striminizing"
Lynx436 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont have money to spend on streaming because avacado toast is so expensive!
Does the fact that the term "Young Millennials" exist not show that the word no longer has any meaning?
pbdotc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to the "Old Millennials," those born in the decades before William the Conqueror, who unabashedly drank from private streams belonging to their feudal lords
Its like going shopping at Blockbusters with an American express card. Its only stealing if u can afford it. I never cud. Austerity, its either eat or entertain. Now I can I pay for it. I do. X and the poop I streamed is like reruns of Monk. X
kelus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will notice that I have distinguished four, four distinct states of being in the cannabis for marijuana society. They are "cool," "groovy," "hip" and "square." Seldom, if ever, does one aspire to be "square." If he figures out what is "happening," then he can rise one notch and become "hip," and then if he can convince himself to approve of what is "happening," then he becomes "groovy." Groovy! And then after that he can actually raise himself to the rank of "cool." He can become one of those... "cool guys."
Dag gum millenials! Taking crap that they don't deserve! Back in my day i earned a halfpenny a day and walked 16 miles barefoot through the snow and glass to the general store, bought myself a good 'ol cassette tape and made my sweetheart a mixtape from the music played on my radio. Then i sat down and watched tv from the air like a true American. No free media for me nuh uh. Sure didn't happen.
idk what the answer is on xbox live they have all the latest movies and I would pay for them but they're literally ridiculous prices. Netflix is good value. I have a kodi box but I goto the cinema occasionally and I always buy music on iTunes to support the artists I like. I think a lot of people would happily pay just not the absurd amounts it costs to rent films and all the other everytime i go online its the samw shit pay yearly for avast, pay stupid amounts for Photoshop. ยฃ5.99 per film. No thanks.
A lot of people ask me, stupid fuckin' questions
A lot of people think that, what I say on record
Or what I talk about on a record, that I actually do in real life
Or that I believe in it
Or if I say that, I want to kill somebody, that
I'm actually gonna do it
Or that I believe in it
Well, shit, if you believe that
Then I'll kill you
You know why?
'Cause I'm a striminal!
Striminal
You god damn right
I'm a striminal
Yeah, I'm a striminal
My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That will stab you in the head
Whether you're a fag or les'
Or the homo-sex, hermaph', or a trans'a'vest'
Pants or dress, hate fags? the answer's "yes"
Homophobic? Nah, you're just hetero phobic
Starin' at my jeans, watchin' my genitals bulgin' (ooh!)
That's my motherfuckin' balls, you'd better let go of 'em
They belong in my scrotum
You'll never get hold of 'em
Hey, it's me, Versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checkin' the mail
Get it, checkin' the 'male'?
How many records you expectin' to sell
After your second L.P. sends you directly to jail?
Come on! relax guy, I like gay men
Right, Ken? give me an amen (amen!)
Please lord, this boy needs Jesus
Heal this child, help us destroy these demons
Oh, and please send me a brand new car
And a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital
Preacher, preacher, fifth grade teacher
You can't reach me, my mom can't neither
You can't teach me a goddamn thing 'cause
I watch TV, and Vomcast cable
And you ain't able to stop these thoughts
You can't stop me from toppin' these charts
And you can't stop me from droppin' each March
With a brand new CD for these fuckin' retards
Duh, and to think, it's just little ol' me
Mr. "Don't give a fuck, " still won't leave
I'm a striminal
'Cause every time I write a rhyme
These people think it's a strime
To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal
But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird
And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal
'Cause every time I write a rhyme
These people think it's a strime
To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal
But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird
And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
My mother did drugs, hard liquor, cigarettes, and speed
The baby came out, disfigured ligaments indeed
It was a seed who would grow up just as crazy as she
Don't dare make fun of that baby 'cause that baby was me
I'm a striminal
An animal caged who turned crazed
But how the fuck you supposed to grow up when you weren't raised?
So as I got older and I got a lot taller
My dick shrunk smaller, but my balls got larger
I drink more liquor to fuck you up quicker
Than you'd want to fuck me up for sayin' the word
My morals went, when the president got oral
Sex in his oval office on top of his desk
Off of his own employee
Now don't ignore me, you won't avoid me
You can't miss me, I'm white, blond-haired
And my nose is pointy
I'm the bad guy, who makes fun of people that die
In plane crashes and laughs
As long as it ain't happened to him
Slim shady, I'm as crazy as Em-
Inem and kim combined, "The maniac's in"
Replacin' the doctor cause dre couldn't make it today
He's a little under the weather, so I'm takin' his place
(mm-mm-mm!) oh, that's Dre with an AK to his face
Don't make me kill him too and spray his brains all over the place
I told you Dre, you should've kept that thing put away
I guess that will teach you not to let me play with it, eh?
I'm a striminal
Alright look (uh huh) just go up in that motherfucker
Get the motherfuckin' money and get the fuck up outta there
Alright
I'll be right here waitin' on you
Alright
Yo 'Em
What?
Don't kill nobody this time
Aw'right, god damn, fuck
How you doin'?
Hi, how can I help you?
Yeah I need to make a withdrawal
Okay
Put the fuckin' money in the bag bitch and I won't kill you!
What? Oh my god, don't kill me
I'm not gonna kill you bitch, quit lookin' around
Don't kill me, please don't kill me
I said I'm not gonna fuckin' kill you
Hurry the fuck up! Thank you!
Windows tinted on my ride when I drive in it
So when I rob a bank, run out and just dive in it
So I'll be disguised in it
And if anybody identifies the guy in it
I'll hide for five minutes
Come back, shoot the eyewitness
Fire at the private eye hired to pry in my business
Die, bitches, bastards, brats, pets
This puppy's lucky I didn't blast his ass yet
If I ever gave a fuck, I'd shave my nuts
Tuck my dick in between my legs and cluck
You motherfuckin' chickens ain't brave enough
To say the stuff I say, so just tape it shut
Shit, half the shit I say, I just make it up
To make you mad so kiss my white naked ass
And if it's not a rapper that I make it as
I'm a be a fuckin' rapist in a Jason mask
I'm a striminal
'Cause every time I write a rhyme
These people think it's a strime
To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal
But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird
And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal
'Cause every time I write a rhyme
These people think it's a strime
To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal
But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird
And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal
'Cause every time I write a rhyme
These people think it's a strime
To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal
But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird
And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal
'Cause every time I write a rhyme
These people think it's a strime
To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal
But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird
And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one I'm a striminal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because I'm poor as fuck and letting some rich movie exec buy his third ferrari is less important to me then paying my rent. I do still pay for movies I believe in.
It's literally not stealing, it's copyright infringement. They're 2 completely different things, GoT for example doesn't lose a copy of Game of Thrones because I downloaded it. They've still got the same number of copies, if I steal some Butterfingers then they then have less Butterfingers".
GoT for example doesn't lose a copy of Game of Thrones because I downloaded it. They've still got the same number of copies, if I steal some Butterfingers then they then have less Butterfingers".
That's... Not how economics works. They're looking at opportunity costs, not copies. It is now more difficult to sell, and they lose money. Potential revenue is taken from them.
Really? So tell me, if I go download 10 copies if GoT right now how much money have they lost? I've already watched GoT multiple times so did they lose no sales, 1 sale or 10 sales?
Pirating content isn't stealing, it's copyright infringement. That's it's legal definition of you like it or not.
So they lose a single sale for 10 """stolen""" copies? That kind of makes your Butterfinger analogy irrelevant then.
No it doesn't, in either case, the producer loses something.
Like I said, it's defined in law as copyright infringement, not stealing. That doesn't change before you disagree with it.
That's not the core of my argument, the point is you're doing something illegal and taking away potential revenue because you want to watch more TV shows.
So tell me, what's the difference between me making a copy of a movie and sending it to a friend and loaning then the CD? Both ways has the same outcome. If I share my Netflix login with my Sister she's getting Netflix content for free so does it mean that's illegal? Should we shutdown all libraries that loan out movies since companies are missing out on sales?
So tell me, what's the difference between me making a copy of a movie and sending it to a friend and loaning then the CD?
This creates scarcity. If the two of you want to see the movie at the same time, a second copy must be purchased. That's different than pirating the content. When you pirate, the number of views is limitless.
You or your friend has been deprived of the ability to watch the DVD himself. There is only one watchable copy that's getting passed around. If your friend wants to see the movie, he needs it back. There can be only one person viewing the DVD at a time. This is why you rarely see companies making a fuss about this.
If I share my Netflix login with my Sister she's getting Netflix content for free so does it mean that's illegal?
Technically, yes. However, the company has made it clear that's fine by them, and they're not concerned with potential revenue loss, so I've never found that troublesome.
So if I send someone a copy and then don't watch it while they watch it it's fine then? We're getting off point regardless, the main point is that it's not stealing. It's copyright infringement.
So if I send someone a copy and then don't watch it while they watch it it's fine then?
If you still have a copy, no, there's less scarcity and one less potential sale.
We're getting off point regardless, the main point is that it's not stealing.
I never argued that is was stealing, merely compared the two.
shiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Libraries initially pay for the content, even if it is subsequentially shared. I agree with the other commenter here. If you want something, even if it's media, you pay for it. Goods and services. Not just goods.
shiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
copy
That's the key word there. They are making copies of the original which is illegal under copyright law. In my example of the library, no new copies are made.
I wasn't arguing it wasn't illegal under copyright law. I was arguing that it wasn't stealing.
shiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but my argument is that it is stealing since you're copying it. I was refuting your argument that libraries lend out copies -- when you analogized how that's not stealing. But since they're not copying the information, it's not stealing.
I know you aren't stealing a physical good, but you are creating extra copies and distributing them. While you are not directly stealing a product, as the other Redditor said above, you are cutting into the revenue that the owner of the intellectual property could have made. That is stealing, it just isn't stealing a good directly.
See, the thing is, I've tried. I subscribe to Netflix, and I've tried to subscribe to HBO go, but I'm outside of the USA, so the only 'legitimate' way would be to pay for sky, then the premium sky packages. Which I'm never going to do. A 'lost sale' to me isn't a lost sale, as the content creators were never going to get my money anyway; there is no way for me to give it to them.
It's the possibility of making money, not the money itself. It doesn't matter if you wouldn't buy pay for it before, there's still the possibility one may buy it (No matter how slim, nor how sure one is they would never pay for it).
However when you pirate something, that probability dramatically declines (Scarcity teaches us that people tend to not pay for what they already have for free).
Bouncing off of scarcity, the more of something there is, the less valuable that thing is. So when say 9,000 copies of a media form are illegally downloaded, that media form is now worth less than otherwise. Though this gripe rests more with the distributors of pirated content.
The possibility of making..0 moneys. Because I won't pay either way. What someone else does or does not has no effect on me in the equation. ยจยจ
Scarcity teaches us that people tend to not pay for what they already have for free
There are so many games that I would never in my fucking life have paid for if i did not pirate them earlier to see if they are good. Sorry,but I enjoy GOOD strategy games. I won't pay for 50 different games to pick out 1 that i like and will keep playing. Because the majority are horse shit.
Though this gripe rests more with the distributors of pirated content.
Yes, absolutely. Criticize them all you want and bring up potential loss of revenue to them. But i will not spend extra money to try some horse shit game for 15 minutes. You think it was fucking fair what the No Man lands developers did to their customers? Earner tens of million of dollars by creating lies and overselling their game, just to give the customers a fucking bag of shit. I pirated it, tested it and realized how shit it was and didn't spend my $80 or whatever they wanted for it. Millions of people however did not do that. And that is just not fair. Developers and creators have to first prove that they are worthy to get paid, not the other way around. I won't pay for something just to have it be complete trash.
Again, no matter how much you say that, there's always the possibility you will, especially considering you're interested enough to illegally download it. That possibility decreases dramatically when you illegally obtain it, because you have it for free, and the practicality of paying is non-existent.
There are so many games that I would never in my fucking life have paid for if i did not pirate them earlier
It's also quite likely there's so many games you never paid for because you pirated them. Assuming you're a special snowflake and pay for most of the games you pirate afterwards, congrats. However that's not how most people operate, nor what economics teaches us. The overwhelming majority of people tend to abide by practical principles and don't pay for what they already have for free, because it's no longer scarce.
I'm not sure if you're trying to justify your own motivations, or the action as a whole.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That possibility is much much smaller than that of me trying out something to see that it is not complete trash before buying it.
Ok, so you're saying the possibility of you pirating to try something out is greater than the possibility of you paying for it? That doesn't actually refute anything, I assume you worded this improperly.
Yes, because they were bad.
Doesn't matter if the media is bad, the content producers are under no obligation to produce media you enjoy, only to provide the product being purchased. Whereas to obtain the media, you are regardless obligated to compensate.
Stop making shit movies and games just to earn money
That's literally the ENTIRE basis of business. The object of business is to generate capital, not satisfy consumers. Consumer satisfaction merely happens to be an excellent way to make money (Happy customers spread the word, and often return for more business). If you have a grievance here, that should be with the entire concept of capitalism, rather than anything.
I don't give a fuck anymore I will not pay for a ubisoft game ever again because of how retarded that company is.
Ubisoft made half a billion last year, call them many things, but "retarded" certainly isn't fitting.
Scarcity of a digital product is entirely imaginary.
Scarcity is the relation of supply and demand, human wants vs the supply to meet them. In the digital realm, demand undoubtedly exists, and supply is controlled by media distributors (publishers). When pirates enter the equation, the supply is greatly increased, disrupting it, and lessening the scarcity. I'm not sure if you're trying to reject this relationship, but if so, you're factually wrong. Scarcity exists within all resources to some degree, digital and physical.
It's as if colloquialisms aren't literal uses of the definition of the word. Craazzyyy.
Also yes, in the case of second base, the idea is that you're taking the base from the other team. Bases in the game of baseball are finite. It's the defending team's job to defend those bases from being taken.
Both the expressions refer to taking something which the taker is not entitled to have. Neither require the object to be removed. And your explanation of baseball is way off. It's like something someone would write having seen parts of a game on a TV with the sound off.
Baseball is a bat-and-ball game played between two teams of nine players each, who take turns batting and fielding. The batting team attempts to score runs by hitting a ball that is thrown by the opposing team's pitcher with a bat swung by the batter, then running counter-clockwise around a series of four bases: first, second, third, and home plate. A run is scored when a player advances around the bases and returns to home plate.
Players on the batting team take turns hitting against the pitcher of the fielding team, which tries to prevent runs by getting hitters out in any of several ways.
Also yes, in the case of second base, the idea is that you're taking the base from the other team. Bases in the game of baseball are finite. It's the defending team's job to defend those bases from being taken.
The offensive team does not take possession of bases from the defensive team. A base is just a temporary safe spot.
The defensive team's goal is to stop runs from being scored. Not allowing runners on base is generally conducive to this, but there are many cases where teams purposefully 'walk' players and put them on base.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how paying for entertainment is being ripped off. It's not like there's just GoT on their. Hell, if you're that cheap, just wait until the end of the season, pay for 1 month then binge the season.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably where the mentality for me is completely different. I don't view it as paying for a "service" I view it as paying for privilege to view someones creation. So to me, paying for another stream is not "paying for a service I already have," because I haven't paid that specific creator.
I see where you're coming from though, and I can understand the frustration to an extent, I just don't agree with it.
Because you are not paying HBO to watch GoT. You are paying HBO to be able to watch EVERYTHING they offer - but you can't just pay to watch one show. Which is why it feels like getting ripped off. You are paying the full price with no other option
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can see that. GoT is worth is alone for me, but they have a lot of other good movies and shows on there.
But I already pay for Netflix. That is why it feels bad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? It's a different company and they have nothing to do with one another. Do they do similar things? Yes, but that doesn't mean you get one when you get the other. I don't get free gas in my home because I pay for electrical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Downloading an episode of game of thrones instead of paying 14 bucks to HBO is EXACTLY like forcing unsolicited sex upon an unwilling participant. EXACTLY the same
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/politicalhumor mods are a bundle of sticks - continue to use reddit overwrite via greasemonkey
And I feel like my pirating hurts them far less than their movie ticket prices hurt me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt mind buying movies if i could just buy the digital file
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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This is a huge deal. Nobody understands what Kodi is. They think it's a part of Amazon FireStick and a part of Amazon!
"Oh, instead of using the VOD from my DirecTV, I just use Kodi on my Firestick! Joe set it up for me... it gets way more stuff..." - all of my friends.
"I don't know why they add such horrible quality on here. Amazon and Kodi should have a phone number to call...". - one of my friends
courts have already ruled on this issue. the current law is if you are just watching the streaming content, you are not violating any copyright laws. if you are not violating laws, how are you a criminal?
Im not going to pay $20 to buy a movie if I only want to watch it once. Id be happy to rent it for $5 max, but if you don't give people that option what do you expect?
And why can we not watch movies at home on release day? Id totally pay $20 to watch a new movie from the comfort of my own home.
Vinven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND FOR GOD SAKES I WANT PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN ON MY DESK BY MONDAY MORNING!
To be able to watch a range of shows you'd have to have every subscription service going. Then being able to watch between smart tv, phone, iPad or laptop etc - downloading illegally means you are not restricted by format and it works everywhere. Also some programmes are just not available in some countries so there is little choice. Reduce the price & reduce the format restrictions and more people will pay
Well when the quality is better and the service is easier, it's not really even about the money. Lets take both scenarios:
Paid service:
There are few things in life more annoying than having 250+ d/l speeds, and getting a "loading..." screen 20 times over the course of an episode that continues to drop to potato quality.
Striminals:
Use my 250+ d/l speeds to start downloading a movie that will take 5-20 min to download. While it's downloading I get some snacks and drinks, sit down and then hit play. No buffering, no quality drop, no issues whatsoever.
That being said, i'll always give the paid service the first pass until they fail me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's copyright infringement, not theft; the main difference is that nothing is actually lost by taking it. Stealing a car would leave them out a car; downloading an episode of Game of Thrones doesn't do shit. I agree that you generally shouldn't do either (with some exceptions of course), but actual theft is clearly much worse.
That's just how I feel about it though. I feel you should alyas pay for what you want.
My dad always says that if you can afford it you should pay for ti and if you cant than you should save up for it and thats just what i thinl about it.
Here's my policy on copyright piracy - make it readily available and easy to download/stream, I will buy it all day long and happily even pay a bit extra for the convenience of doing so (just ask Netflix).
Make it a monumental pain in my ass for me to procure it legally, however, and I will just steal it.
Lately [adult swim] has been killing it with these streaming services. Every new episode of Rick and Morty is streamed live on their website for free, and they had the entire series live streaming for a month before the new episodes started. I have a 4K TV and I tried watching the channel through my cable provider but the picture was so grainy and pixelated it was very distracting to me, so I just popped over to the website and they had the entire episode to watch right there
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is their player still shit? Or was that just me? Last time I gave it a shot, it froze every ten seconds when I tried to watch anything...
The Venture Bros one does lock up sometimes between episodes but I'll go to sleep most nights and it's still playing when I wake up. The other ones aren't nearly as bad, but they will lock up once in a blue moon
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SMOOVE STRIMINALโข
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason boomers don't is because they still can't figure out how the set the time on their 8-track player, let alone how to get on the internet without fucking their internet explorer with extra toolbars.
McCly89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally cannot play a new Bluray on my custom firmware PS3 because of some stupid update the disc requires. The first movie I purchased in years and it will be my last for a while. (Logan for the Noir version)
Yet the "striminaled" file plays flawlessly with no bullshit ads. Please continue to vilify me, you money-hungry fucks.
I'd be happy to buy everything from iTunes or a digital store if there was no DRM preventing me from watching on chromecast/console. Let me watch what I bought without an Apple TV. That's not unreasonable. When you buy a DVD you aren't restricted to just your computer. They're making me pirate*
Maybe we aren't paying for it because we can't afford to spend 40 bucks a month on a full package TV subscription just to watch some soccer you greedy fucks.
Well if Walking Dead wasnt 5 minutes of story, 25 minutes of standing around looking off in the distance, and 30 minutes of commercials I might watch TV instead of streaming it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIAA are you ok?
So, RIAA are you ok?
Are you ok RIAA?
You've been hit by,
You've been struck by
A smooth striminal.
Kezly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be quite happy to pay for more TV shows, except I go to their websites and get a "sorry, this show is not available in your region" message.
Just a few thoughts on this. I have pirated just about anything and everything. I now have Netflix and Amazon Prime. If it isn't available on there, I still pirate it. If companies would pull their heads out of their collective asses and would put their content somewhere I could get it easily, I wouldn't pirate. Perfect example is the Pokemon anime. Only select seasons are on Netflix for God-only-knows-why. In fact, Indigo league isn't even complete on there. Now I can go to the library and get it for 3 weeks for free, but I then have to wait. Netflix could pretty easily grow their network and streaming capabilities to host literally everything ever made, but the companies that license the content to them charge them too much to reasonably keep it going all the time. Popcorn Time has more users than Netflix in some countries due to region locking of content, licensing of IP, etc. If the content creators weren't so greedy, they could actually make more money.
You don't need to feel bad about pirating from the Film/TV industry. It really isn't a moral wrong at all and comparing it directly to theft is lunacy. The Film/TV industry is in fact so vile that pirating and hurting them is a moral imperative.
Torrenting has higher quality video 99% of the time and finding a streaming service that's not full of viruses and fake videos is pretty hard. Once I discovered tpb I stopped using putlocker and never looked back.
This is the shit that pisses people off about millenials. A lot of people on this post act like they're entitled to download music, tv, and movies free because they don't like paying for it. Some people are using prices as an excuse, but most streaming services are relatively cheap. Hbo Now is like $15 and Netflix is something like 12$. God forbid you have to pay $3 to rent a movie for 24 hours.
There are tons and tons of people behind your favorite shows who lose out when you steal movies. You say it doesn't hurt HBO, but there are writers and crew members and other people who grind out a living by creating these shows. Dowoading this stuff does affect them. Just because you don't like big corporations doesn't mean it's alright to steal their content.
Imagine you saw your favorite actor or musician in the street. Would you feel comfortable telling them you downloaded their latest album or movie without paying? Don't go on and on about how much you love and respect a musician or show and then steal their album. It's hard to create good content, so support your fucking artists!
I respect the work people do to make us the entertainment we watch. For movies it's become so easy and cheap rent movies I haven't torrented one in years. Though tv on the other hand is so expensive with a business model completely I end up just downloading it. I would like to pay but the price for the service you get is not equal. I pay for netflix, and crave but they don't have everything I wanna watch. Just give me an affordable way to watch shows and I will totally pay.
mjegs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may watch GOT on a streaming site, but I buy GOT merch to support the show since I enjoy it so much. HBO GO is ridiculously too expensive for me to afford.
watch what they want, when they want, and where they want
They say this like it's a bad thing. I'd gladly pay for this service but it's simply not available or I'd end up with 14 different packages from 3 different providers on the order of hundreds of dollars.
Or I could just find one of the dozens of stream aggregates that exist and watch my favorite British panel show, Game of Thrones and every UFC fight for free.
Piracy is about control and who deserves to have it more than the public. We are told when we pirate that the actors singers and workers who put effort into what we pirate lose money. Most of the money not spent on buying something would go to production companies and record labels and the artists would likely get rather little comparatively.
People who pirate generally buy more stuff when they really care about it than people who straight up buy everything do, partially because they haven't wasted money on corporations streaming services and because when they really like something that's when they know it's worth actually buying. We can have a more open system, we just need to be willing to push for it.
There's a difference between artists getting little and artists getting nothing. I'm currently abandoning an activity with several million consumers because it's not making me a living.
Saoren ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldmt you want to get something for free thats easily availible? Do they think people are going to care about the feelings of whats likely a large rich organization?
3rdIGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Admittedly, it's a pain in the ass...gotta use a US account, download thru iTunes, pay with prepaid credit card and then use a VPN, lol.
Admittedly a huge pain in the ass, id probably just pirate it too...
Omny87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:22 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ones with good bandwidth are known as "smooth striminals"
It's tough being a weeb, too. In order to watch all the shows I want, I'd have to subscribe to Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, and now Netflix AND Amazon. No fucking way.
Crunchyroll has been caught doing unethical things (like intentionally lowering video quality) multiple times, and I don't like them in general
Funimation only has some of what I want to watch. Same with Hulu
Netflix literally steals anime licenses (like Kakegurui this season) and doesn't have much that's good anyways
But I have Amazon Prime so I'm in luck, right? WRONG. In order to access their full anime library, you have to purchase an ADDITIONAL $5 / month subscription called Amazon Strike. Fucking ridiculous
Am a millennial that streams the game of thrones with out paying.
spooli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm happy to see the kinds of comments I'm seeing in here. I don't think this is a message of how shitty the younger generation is, I think it's a perfect example of capitalism at its worst, and young people not paying for shit that costs too much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they were going for a true portmanteau wouldn't that have been "streamilleniminals"?
I'd pay easily ยฃ150 a month is someone would provide me with something even close to the service I currently get.
I have the money, would willingly pay it but no one is selling. I don't want to pay for 5 services that together only give me about 60% of what i get now.
Anybody remember, back in the days of linรฉaire, there was one guy who ripped movies and always put a cool action scene opening at the beginning of each? Those were the days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly this makes streaming movies and TV sound really badass, which I think is the opposite effect of what they want. Sort of like calling it Piracy. Who tf doesn't want to be a pirate?
What percentage of content on YouTube is legally uploaded by the owner? There's a ton of low-quality, commercially-made TV shows on there. And don't get me started on how much low-quality music there is.
Are we still calling millennials young? The oldest are in their 30s now. If you are still ranting about "young millennials," there's a good chance there's nothing wrong with the millennials and you just hate children. Or digital. Maybe both.
OGRNA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont up vote, its a trap!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was cable-cutter so hard for them to use? Like, there are already determined terms for people that use cable, use internet based services and pirate, and people that don't watch television content.
I'm not stealing anything I would actually be able to pay for. If I were living near a Theater, you might see some cash from me. If I really like your movie, I might even buy the DVD. I could always switch to renting, but that doesn't help the film industry either. There isn't a service that I can afford that offers everything I want. Netflix and HBO aren't much help to Canada, so if you want my money, change how you do things. Otherwise, you don't get my money regardless. I would stop watching before I would pay that much to watch the few TV shows I like.
You are losing no money off of me.
Poke493 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And studios are making less money every year! Oh wait...
watch what they want, when they want, where they want, and they would pay for it if it were available within those demands
FTFY
The demand is there. Perhaps if Hollywood and Big Cable would realize that the industry has changed and they're barely touching the demand they they used to have, then they wouldn't have to worry about piracy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to just stream content but it's only illegal to download it. I'm from California if anybody needs to know.
In California, you can be 6 years old and legally but an alcoholic drink as long as it's "alcohol free" which is less than 0.5% but authorities strongly tell stores not to sell to anyone under 18/21.
It's like that, technically not illegal, but it's frowned upon.
Drdps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If companies would learn that people will willingly pay for content if you make it affordable and accessible, they wouldn't have to worry about this. But I don't want to pay $20 for a movie I'll watch one time on the 15th video service I have to make an account for. Put it on iTunes and pay the Apple gods their share and profit.
dsmnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here to commit strime and chew gum, and gum might not be gluten free.
Cuboos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If i can't find it on Netflix or Amazon Prime Streaming, i'm pirating it. I can't be assed to fork over even more money for another streaming service and i'm too impatient to wait for a DvD to be delivered.
uiop60 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe if I didn't have to deal with unacceptable load times, random bullshit buffering, content disappearing and reappearing with little-to-no notice, lag, and limited content unless I pay an additional $9.99 per month for the "premium" package, I'd use paid apps.
But I do, so I stream illegally.
You wouldn't sell broken bicycles and then bitch about millenials putting you out of business. Fix your shit, and people will buy it. No one wants your half-hearted, half-funded "we're still not sure if the internet is the future, broadcast TV might bounce back" efforts at streaming apps.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jokes on them. I dont care if they stop making movies entirely. Also, while everything is being automated, the only real jobs will be held by the very few extremely creative people. We will pay them because we fucking want to not because we have to. Thats how I feel and I know its bad. You made me this way bitches.
Oh, I love those statistics. To state something so obvious and then not even being in any way academic. Seems they want to shock some parents.
When I was in school, parents were asked to look up, if their kids used those streaming sites because it might be that they had to pay a fine, if their IP was detected.
As if 16 year olds don't know how to use vpn.
A lot of people ask me, stupid fuckin' questions
A lot of people think that, what I stream on TV
Or what I watch on my iPad, that I actually do in real life
Or that I believe in it
Or if I say that, I want to steal Netflix, that
I'm actually gonna do it
Or that I believe in it
Well, shit, if you believe that
Then I'll take HBO
You know why?
'Cause I'm a striminal!
Striminal
You god damn right
I'm a striminal
Yeah, I'm a striminal
I have an aunt who about 10 years ago had thousands of pirated dvds in her house. I'm talking stacks 5 feet tall all around the room. Why are we acting like millennial are the only people to ever pirate anything?
Who fuckin cares, maybe if it wasn't so easy and there were some repercussions for doing it people would stop, it's literally easier to pirate any movie you want than watch the ones on Netflix
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay but what percent of old millenials are striminals?
It's funny because rich people made up the rule that you will give them money in every possible situation: oooh your internet just got more expensive. Guess what transit tickets got more expensive- oh and we learned we can charge you a nominal fee for parking on the streets- better raise that price to cushion our budget. Oh you want us to spend that money on healthcare and schools? Nope we are putting in a new pointless traffic light instead.
The internet is the only thing that frees the people- gives you knowledge, and gives you power. Never let them own the internet!!!
It's the era of capitalism that says we owe money (ie: a pound of flesh) to pay in a world of extremely artificially inflated economy- but it is not the natural state of the world. Always ask where your money is going- and if it is going to a millionaire or some billion dollar company think again, and definitely don't worry about stealing from them. You think anyone became a billionaire without making many poorer people suffer greatly???? Nope, never.
Heres a hint: 90% of streaming piracy is porn and kids/people don't want others to know they're wanking it or even paying for it.Also that shit is expensive and it's not like people only watch 1 studios videos so you're gonna pay +300 monthly just to jerk off?
ajr901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for HBO, Netflix, and Prime. I also have access to a friend's Hulu. If your shit is on one of those platforms, cool, I will watch it there. If not then you bet your ass I'm going to watch it via "other methods".
owzleee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
snort
Chipleo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll admit, when I first got into Game of Thrones I didn't have HBO and didn't see the value of paying for an extra channel just to watch one show, so I streamed it online. As a way to try and make up for it, and because it's a great show that I want to support, I have bought every season after it comes out on DVD. At 30 bucks a boxset I'd say they've made more money off of me this way than if I bought their subscription for the 2 months the show was on the air.
This won't happen if you just not make anime region lock, tv shows only in cable, high cost for subscription, and used technology to make us pay more for something that can be done under 5 mins with one person.
I did a GIS on this image, and got no site that is posting this in earnest. Are you sure this isn't just some mockery of an argument that isn't being made?
Maybe if 3/4 of it wasn't garbage people would pay for it. Idk how many times I've been pissed that I even wasted the time to dl it. And how about they manage their content better? Someone involved is usually leaking it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped watching movies and listening to music from copyright lords years ago. Put my time and money into a guitar. Now I can happily say that I don't need to be a striminal because I don't give a rats ass about their merchandise.
Fuck you and thank you at the same time to these greedy {people}*.
*Replace with nominal expletive(s) of choice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure these companies want to believe that 69% of my generation pirates content because it easily explains their loss in profits, and shifts the blame off them. However, as a millennial, I can honestly say that I don't pirate anything- streaming or otherwise. If it's not on Netflix, HBO Now, or rentable at a decent price from redbox, iTunes, etc., then I simply don't watch it. No big deal. I mean, it's really not worth going through all this trouble of tor browsers, and vpn's, and p2p clients, AND then possibly facing criminal charges just so I can watch The Avengers for free on the toilet. Maybe I'm the minority, but I just don't see the value. That's why Netflix has received $10 a month from me since maybe 2009, and they always will.
I don't know how my family manages to live a complete, full life without the 50/50 content/advertising bullshit streaming 24/7, 365 into my television for the lost cost of $100 a month, but we survive. /s
I hear they're cracking down on streminals by making mockery posts on social media and getting people to admit to the crimes in the comments. Just keep an eye out!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cheapest cable TV package where I live is around $70/month, so yeah, fuck that.
Moug-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A smooth striminal.
djloox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too busy being a striminal millennial who still laughs at the number 69 to care about video piracy.
xaricx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe worth reiterating: pirating media isn't theft/stealing. Theft/stealing is when the person you stole from no longer retains that item. And in the case of making a copy of something: that is piracy.
Streaming Video rental has a fundamental flaw - the 24 hour limit after you start the movie. Give me 36 hours at least. That way I can start it tonight and finish it tomorrow night. I don't rent movies nearly as often as I would because I can't be certain that I'll be able to watch it in one night.
Y'all fuckin' greedy motherfuckers pullin' shit off the streaming platforms THAT I PAY FOR to put it on your proprietary shit damn right otherfucker I tried to buy it and you said no so of course I'm stealing your shit assface
It's mostly because what I want is unavailable. If I could rent a video from youtube and download it in HD then I'd probably never pirate again, but those idiots (by trying to avoid pirating) make it so inconvenient that pirating is my best option.
People pay for cable at a jacked-up cost and they still don't watch what they want because half of the shit on TV is purely advertisements. Blame them for pirating stuff, cool.
Streaming is great. But you have to get multiple stream accounts to get good content. I'm letting go of amazon because the price isn't worth their shit film selection. Hulu is offering HBO shows that are up to date. Amazon only has 1 or 2 popular films. And most if it is just a copy of Hulu anyways. Streaming sites will need to up their game if they really want people to slow down on pirating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta get paid back for all the data we give them somehow. Like seriously? You're making money off my internet labor and I don't get a dime? 2sorry4u I hope you don't get that second boat.
Lmao, โThese.... criminals...โ who wrote this article? A tool!
The kind of person who is completely out of touch & jockin the corporate D! They try to make it sound like 60% of millennial need to be locked away with murders.
Boy, do I feel old and curmudgeonly reading these posts.
From what I can gather, it seems the defense boils down to, 'I want it, it's too expensive, I'm going to steal it." And for some reason, because it's a TV show, or a movie, or a game, it's completely within your rights to do so? I don't get it ??? Entertainment is a product, like anything else. I might even dare to say it's a luxury item. Why is it being treated like a necessity or a basic commodity that's so needed (wanted) that we decide it's ok to steal when it's price is beyond our reach? I love Game of Thrones, but I can't afford to buy an HBO subscription right now, so I watch it with friends, on their account. I'd love to regularly drink boutique craft beer, or wear well-made high-quality clothing made in the US, or use cutting edge household electronics, but they're too costly for me to buy right now, so . . . I don't buy them. I still want them, but I don't steal them. Again, I just don't get it. This is an intelligent and well-intentioned group with a generally well-directed moral compass. Someone, please explain why stealing is justifiable when the product is not a necessity. Many things are difficult to acquire and subjectively too expensive. It feels like people believe they are "owed" movies, TV shows, and games. Help a baffled 40-something to understand. Cheers!
As a 34 year old, I don't mind paying for stuff if the companies offer a reasonable alternative that works for me. I pay for Netflix; it's cheap and works on every device. I pay for Google Music. Great, downloadable music that works everywhwre with no hassle. Well worth it. I also pay for all my games. Steam just works and there's always affordable sales for gaming like Humble Bundle. I also pay for Adobe Cloud.
I go to the movies when it's something I really want to see and pay the - very - expensive Dutch ticket prices.
But I also like to stream TV episodes. Why? Because there simply isn't a convenient alternative that lets me pay a reasonable fee. You can't get certain streaming services here or it's only available as a cable package which I don't have. And the services that are available don't have all the shows I watch.
If I could pay 20 euros a month extra for all my shows on Netflix, I would. But they'd rather keep them behind their own paywall. So I stream it. Just like I used to download MP3's and games until they let me pay a reasonable fee without hassle, at which point it became a better proposition than risking viruses and such from downloading.
Because there simply isn't a convenient alternative
I get the complexities and the inconveniences. How many people buy entire cable TV packages because they want ESPN? We used to have to buy entire CD's if we wanted to listen to just one song. iTunes broke that mold and presented a much better way of selling music. It sounds like people want something similar to that model. A reasonable price per episode, game, TV-show, with no geographical or exclusive provider restrictions. I get it. The basis of my question was, why it's morally acceptable to steal a product, however inconveninet, convoluted and expensive the delivery system may be, when that product is not a necessity?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it isn't stealing in the same way as stealing a car would be, and it generally only hurts big companies anyway. Who cares if Time Warner is out 15 bucks that I was never going to pay anyway? The fact that piracy is often so much easier to use also helps. People being in places where they cannot legally get the thing also contributes.
Well, it's bigger than what one individual does. It's the sum of everyone's behavior. The first episode of this season's Game of Thrones was pirated over 91 million times. Multiply that by $15. That's roughly $1.3 billion dollars, not 15 bucks.
it generally only hurts big companies anyway
I fail to see how that makes it ok. To paraphrase, if someone has a lot of money, or is a "big" company it's ok to deceive and cheat them? Does Greenpeace deserve to be stolen from? They're big. it's as if there's an assumption that the people that create and provide the content are morally bad people (because they're big) and therefore deserve to be stolen from. Are there shitty large companies that knowingly deceive and cheat people? Hell yes. (Wells Fargo anyone). But a company's size does not make them morally bankrupt by default. By that logic, Amazon and Apple deserve to have their products freely taken. Intellectual Property is still property. It may not be tangible because it exists as digital data, but it's still a product someone created to be sold.
The fact that piracy is often so much easier to use also helps.
Yes, just as a bicycle that's not locked up is easier to take than one that is. It's still taking something that the owner did not intend to give away.
Anyway, not trying to be someone's mom and lecture them on right and wrong. IMO, it's knowingly taking something that you know is supposed to be paid for, something that's not medicine, food, or necessary for your well-being and health. If it's ok to download a movie without paying because the creator/owner is a big company, then it must also be ok to steal a DVD of that same movie from a video store. What's the difference aside from the medium the movie is stored on?
sesar54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im just here browsing reddit, clicking random post and that picture comes up right as Im downloading a movie. Gave me a heartattack. I thought some company already knew what Im doin.
Fucking Comcast sent me an email because they found out I watched the an episode of game of thrones online. I'm not paying 13.99 a month for HBO just to watch one God damn show. Fix your shit and then I'll pay for it.
wurlok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo I don't pay anything to watch YouTube and I watch anything I want on YouTube any time I want. Does this make me a striminal? If so then I'm happy to be one.
Xacebop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They asked us to get off their lawns and when we finally did now they want us to stop streaming
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I blame myself! I have a 26 year old and a 20 year old... they both have their own places to live yet I pay the netflix/hulu and gave them the password...
Jesus if I'd only realized what I was doing! I turned my children into strinimals of whatthefuckever that word was.
The way I see it is, it doesn't matter to me if it's theft. It isn't, it's copyright infringement, but in spirit it could be argued as being theft. But the truth is, I don't give a shit. I'm not going to get caught, and it's easier and more convenient to find streams of shows and live events than subscribe to Netflix for a bunch of shows, Hulu JUST for South Park, and UFC Fight Pass, which takes a month to get new events up and doesn't even stream live PPVs, just prelims, so you have to pay for the PPV every time. It's too much hassle that can be avoided by pirating, so fuck it, why not. I'm a bad person, fine, but if companies aren't going to make it easier to watch what I want, when I want to, in the form that I prefer, for a suitably low price, then piracy is just the free market in action. It might not offer me all those things (e.g. lack of ChromeCast support for a lot of pirated material), but it's doing some of them for free and no one is beating that. Is it selfish and short-sighted? Yeah, of course. Until I become a content creator who puts arbitrary restraints on how people can consume my content, does that concern me? Not at all.
I mean, I would gladly pay for it if they would just make it available at a reasonable price. I feel like shows in particular fall into three categories of availability - 1) get lucky that Netflix picked it up, 2) pay $40 for the blu-ray or, 3) piratebay that shit.
I feel like this totally makes sense. Pirating takes more time. Teenagers have tons of time. Adults have shit to do and can't be bothered checking through different sites to find a viable link and will just pay. At some point when I have a job I'll start paying for adobe and youtube and netflix.
Y'know, I was wondering why the huge amount of effort that went into squashing torrenting just... stopped. Now I get it, there was more money lost in kids wathing youtube videos than torrenting. The funny thing is, though, they're just now demonizing "striminals", where even 2-3 years ago while Torrenting was the main focus, you could literally find any movie, song, music video or tv show to stream for free, and in multiple competing places.
Just seems to me that if the fucksticks hunting down and demonizing people for trying to gain access to media took their head out of their ass for 5 minutes they would've seen this coming and done something maybe a little more worthwhile. Instead, here we go with another cycle of this bullshit, and some 15 year old kid is going to get thrown in jail for watching Metallica on Youtube, mark my words.
I sound like my grandfather now, so I'm going to stop.
The amount of up votes you got tells you that no-one's stopping streaming anytime soon. I doubt it's just millennials. There's a silver lining though - that's where the cashcow is.
Damn right I'm not paying for a movie when studios have billions of dollars. I'm watching whatever I want for free because I have real bills and rent to pay.
That seems awfully low. More likely 92% according to all my statistics. Lol. I don't have any stats. Just seems like everyone I've known pirates something
Sawzzaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI....
Namesn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk if this is real or not but cool :D
ira1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rrrrrrrr was is the rum always gone
phynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile Comedy Central has taken all of their content off of streaming services because fuck You millennials.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally for this only because having a Hulu, netflix, and HBO account to watch all my shows is honestly ridiculous. Streamroyale.com is the site I used after getting an invite and it's fucking great website. Cheaper than netflix too!
Most of you are focusing on the piracy statistic, and not the fact that they invented a completely ridiculous word. That's what's "fellowkids" about this.
Give me a damn subscription service for Jeopardy and I won't have to scour he internet for the one lone bastard that records it and puts it on Pirate Bay
nadoter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then fix your shitty region locked piece of shit platform. that's why steam is succesful, very very very minor region lock and dynamic pricing for different regions.
I freaking hate monthly subscriptions, they take money automatically and for someone like me whose paycheck isn't the same amount every month it isn't something I want to do.
I wish they made it a possibility to pay per video, if I so desire, I don't want to pay for all of these things you sell, only some.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand, I like the shows I watch and I think the creators deserve to be paid for it, on the other hand, streaming services don't have them all and I'm not paying for Netflix, Hulu, Crunchy roll and whatever else all at once
Look...I would pay for a service that let me watch anything I want, when I want, exactly when it comes out, video on demand...for $30/month. But when the same damn thing comes in the form of DVR's and network Packages that include things I don't want to watch for $200/month, no thanks. The Cable companies already make a shit ton of money from advertisements, and then they also make a shit ton off me for their bullshit packages. And television providers wont even provide content that has low ratings, even if it's good. So when I want to binge Anime, I have to subscribe to another service like VRV or Crunchyroll. And when I want to watch Disney shows without having to buy the Disney Package for $30 on Cable, I have to use Hulu. And then all the content isn't there, unless I want the LIVE $50 package...AND THEN THE BULLSHIT ABOUT SOME MOVIES/SHOWS ARE LICENSED OUT FOR REPLAY ON CERTAIN PLACES LIKE AMAZON PRIME ONLY, BUT I COULD BUY IT FOR $20, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FUCKING SHITTY MOVIE FROM THE 70'S BUT ALL I WANT TO DO IS WATCH IT FOR NOSTALGIA. WHOOP DEE FUCKING DOO! NOW I'M A STRIMINAL BECAUSE ALL YOU FUCKERS SEGREGATED TELEVISION INTO THIS CLUSTER FUCK. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND $500 A MONTH TO ENJOY ENTERTAINMENT, AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAS EVERYTHING I WANT COLLECTED INTO A ON-DEMAND, SINGLE PLATFORM, EASY TO USE SYSTEM IS THE GOD DAMN PIRATING APPLICATION.
I was paying extra for NBC sports on my cable, because I love watching English soccer, and you could stream every game online with your cable info, but now NBC only shows the non-televised games, and you have to pay and extra $50 a year to stream the games that are aired on tv.
Guess who just canceled their access to NBC and is gonna stream the fuck out of every game this season?
alienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking this was probably fake, but it's real. The author is a marketing agency called "Anatomy Media". The above quote can be found in a PDF titled "Millennials at the Gate".
The audience of this material is likely companies who produce media. To the agency's credit, they actually present some decent recommendations:
Young millennialsโ dissatisfaction with their viewer
experience and their overwhelming adoption of
ad blockers is a call-to-action to improve the viewer
experience and review the nature of the digital ad
experience.
As an artist and published musician, I'd rather have my music free so anyone can enjoy it without having to spend ten dollars they could use for things they NEED. If you want to support your favorite artists, that's great, buy tickets and come to a local show to show support. But music and art in my opinion should be available to everyone regardless of how much money you can throw at a dying industry.
Dospunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha 69
vhisic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sure i fall into this category but i still pay for all available services and still have content that i am unable to obtain through any other means.
Olyvyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I upvoted because this is perfect but I don't pirate. I like to pay for things I like so I'll things I like will continue to be made.
But I don't judge. Just consider supporting what you like.
On android, Google "showbox apk " and download it on your phone and install, all new movies and tv free, everything, in hd plus download.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
since these days everyone is expected to pay with our attention to ads, many people who stream still do pay - this is just an entrenched industry failing to adapt as always
also considering youtube, south park studios, etc, what makes one source more legitimate to the consumer than another? How is the consumer supposed to know (this is even before taking into account differing laws between countries) that hulu is legitimate and freeshowsonline or some other service that uses actual words is not? What the hell is a hulu anyway?
Oh man, if only streaming was illegal! Now downloading, that's straight up piracy. But streaming is 100% fine. Maybe not morally, but legally there isn't anything wrong with it. Although it has been debated
MungTao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a STRIMINAL. Cause everytime I stream online, these people think its a crime, to watch everything on my time. I guess I'm a STRIMINAL I dont gotta say a word, I just flip em the bird, Im west coast, shits up at six versus nine.
Cazazkq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're so emotional you compliment tables.
I hope you have a nice day!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth striminal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The media companies are the ones who Made me a criminal, first by bombarding me with ads through a cable service I payed for, then they started making me watch 20mins of ads and notices before I could even watch movies on my vhs....DVD was even worse once that came out, for a period there you couldn't even skip that stuff....and really I think that was the tipping point, of when I said fuck it and just started streaming everything
mottbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. The first company that starts offering true alacart TV is going to make bank. You want to watch that specific show? $1/month. You want that whole channel? $5/month. You only want 3 channels and 5 shows from other channels? $20/m.
I think the producers of the shows should stop fighting it. Finding streaming sites is so easy and I am sure they could find the sites. So simply put in law that those sites must give the producers and writers of the shows a percentage of the profits they make. And those streaming sites are not doing it for free they make a lot of money through advertisements. If those streaming sites are not making money due to ad blockers they could easily block people from seeing them who have ad blockers. Some will go back to getting the movies from legitimate sites while others will turn their add blocker off. Stop wasting money on investigations and stop wasting money on lawyers.
And yes I am a striminX and don't see it as stealing as most shows are on free to air in some location and thus no charge is being met by the end consumer. I don't download them or keep a copy I simply watch the episode.
xaminmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, MPAA...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess I'm a strimimal. I pay for 24/7 cable with all of the premium movie, news, and sports channels and fastest internet. I also pay for Netflix and amazon prime. I rarely ever use any of them. I download what I want so I can watch on my laptop during downtime at work 16hrs a day (it's that kind of job).
so i pay for crunchyroll and they got a old show, haibane renmei, So i decide to finally give it a watch to discover that its only 480p, while meanwhile on 9anime i can just as easily watch a 1080p stream, makes me question why i even pay for it sometimes
what about the absolute jungle of ads and popups you have to navigate through in many instances to watch "what you want, when you want, where you want" even though you have adblock and shit? sure, the creators might not get paid, but someone is definitely making money on "free" streaming.
A lot of things are 'illegal', but not prosecuted. Going after people for 'illegally' watching could cut into legitimate streaming revenues by getting non tech savvy people spooked about the medium. Also, the RIAA's losing battle may have scared other industries away from going after passive participants.
HAHA your fuccing downvotes lmfaooooo lolol look at you pathetic loser with all those downvotes guess what bro your wrong LOLOLLLL lmfao I piled another downvote on your sorry ass! ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this cancer? Was it a failed attempt at a joke?
PraiseYuri ยท 7632 points ยท Posted at 15:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this ad against piracy or supporting piracy, cuz that sounds like a pretty good deal.
[deleted] ยท 2944 points ยท Posted at 19:39:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ChrisPynerr ยท 1499 points ยท Posted at 20:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking kids won't pay the 110 dollars a month to watch the one show they like on HBO? Cheap cunts
Nuzid ยท 622 points ยท Posted at 20:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pirating is seriously the easiest way to get GoT for my friend group's weekly movie night. We would gladly use a smart TV app like Netflix for that, but no... No HBO in my country.
Edit: I do want to add that we've got every season on Blu-Ray as well. It's the new episodes that we cannot watch legitimately which sucks and it's nothing but poor service by HBO that we are forced to pirate GoT. Fortunately our Eastern European friends on the internet provide 1080p WebRips immediately after the show has aired.
MrVonJoni ยท 397 points ยท Posted at 00:09:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's easier to find a free and illegal Game of Thrones stream than get HBO Go set up, and I'm in the US.
SasparillaTango ยท 470 points ยท Posted at 00:49:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the words of Gabe Newell, Piracy is a service problem.
30phil1 ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 01:43:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, it is. I barely pirate that many games any more because it's such a better experience to actually buy the dang thing through Steam. As for movies, I'm stuck having to use RARBG and the PirateBay whenever I want too watch anything that's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime. It's not even that much more cost-effective. I still have to pay for a VPN or seedbox and a decent hard drive. What the film and TV industry needs to do is make a DRM-free marketplace with periodic sales that, whenever you buy a movie or season of a show, comes with all the special features and bonus content.
Owyn_Merrilin ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 02:03:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just put literally everything on Netflix and any other paid streaming service that asks. The way I see it I'm getting the content either way, it's up to them whether they want to get paid for it. Especially when we're talking about decades old catalog titles.
kiralight22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:11:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could not say it any better...
Owyn_Merrilin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:47:04 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically I think the future is going to involve an ASCAP style royalty system. Completely abolishing copyright isn't exactly likely, but making it so you can do "public performances" of any existing work without any limit beyond a nominal fee would solve a lot of problems for everyone involved -- not just just consumers, but for content producers and distributors, too.
AWarmHug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kodi+Exodus Add-on my friend.
30phil1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:30:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(You mean Covenant, right?)
AWarmHug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, I'm behind the times. Thanks!
SpacecraftX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:29:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never pirate games but I won't hesitate to stream a movie or TV program.
AlleM43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only pirate old games and arcade games, because there are no arcades near where I live, and old games are rare.
30phil1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily, as long as it's not a Nintendo game, it's not really considered "piracy" to download ROMs. It's always been a gray area but so far you're in the clear.
AlleM43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:03 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only Nintendo game i have downloaded is one that i own but i forgot where I put the cartridge.
NipplesInAJar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Wonder if there's anything like that but for games...
30phil1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:00:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being sarcastic so I'll say www.GOG.com is a great place that does exactly that.
NipplesInAJar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it was just a bad joke. :(
ff_beer_money ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes perfect sense and well written. No OTT has everything. They each pick a piece of content knowing their so called competitor picks the other. This one has sports, this one has local channels ... it's the same racket by cable.
WhitzEnd00 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:21:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. My music piracy dropped to almost zero when I signed up for Spotify.
zachwguitar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:35:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said. The music industry has already caught on with Spotify, Apple Music, etc. Meanwhile, Netflix's catalog is continually shrinking. (เฒ อสเฒ ) ??
daftmonklol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
source?
Matazaonreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:08 on September 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to remember this exact wording. This is good.
johnwithcheese ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but streams are a disservice to GoT. I'm not watching it unless its a raw 1080p hd 4gig per episode rip.
SithKain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. My Australian internet is too cancer to stream full HD.
I'll just torrent it over night.
Want me to stop? Upgrade the internet and give us the entire netflix and (access to) HBO library
dental__DAMN ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:34:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I have a go code, and after like 30 minutes I gave up. Maybe I'm an idiot.
LadyNarwhal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:07:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO Now is better than HBO Go anyways. Now doesn't require a cable subscription and is literally like the same exact website layout and everything. Episodes get posted a bit after they live, but it's still good enough for me. I don't get why the hell HBO needs two seperate fucking streaming services though for cable/noncable when both sites look exactly the same, just changing a handful of letters.
Bac0n01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:46 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a contract thing.
ChadHahn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:28:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day I decided to watch Band of Brothers so instead of getting off the couch, walking 5 feet, and getting the DVDs I decided to set up HBO Go and watch it from that. It took a long time to set up and then the video quality was crap and it kept buffering. No wonder people pirate.
chowder138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I tried to get HBO Go and/or Now set up so I could watch the show legit. They make it so fucking impossible to figure out that i gave up and pirated the episode twice purely out of spite.
Casen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But not easier than HBO now. Downloaded the app, made an account, linked a card, got a free month, and watched GoT in 3 minutes.
Adnan_Targaryen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about live stream, as in, with HBO or Hotstar?
MrVonJoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about the streaming service offered by HBO called HBO Go.
Ytse22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:50 on September 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can get it through Amazon video. That always works for me in the U.S.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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QueequegTheater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention AP gives you a free week to start.
MrVonJoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not have amazon prime, I'm curious as to why you'd assume that? And I should have clarified in my comment, I still have and use HBO Go. But the first time I attempted to use it to watch the season opener of GoT it was both easier and faster to use an illegal stream. Even after getting HBO Go set up and running it's still incredibly frustrating with how many times I'm forced to watch the same ad repeatedly when attempting to let the video buffer. So no, not cheap. And as someone mentioned in another comment, when piracy is easier, it's a service problem, not a lazy problem.
SpacemanSam25 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the UK you can get it on Sky Atlantic. I watched it once with my housemates who has Sky, and it turns out there are ad breaks. From then on I always watched it pirated, don't understand why anyone would pay for a service when the free experience is objectively better
3rdIGo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just use a VPN mate, I've watched GOT while traveling in Europe and Latin America this way.
Yeoldmama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have hbo with xfinity and I will torrent that shit rather than use their shitty website.
gmano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is in my country... but literally the only way to get it legally is as part of a package deal with another network that you have to get on top of regular cable.
kakemot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HAVE to pirate certain movies, otherwise I would never get to watch them. I couldn't pay anywhere to watch it anyway so they lost no money on me pirating it.
rocketlaunchr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
even in countries where it is available, HBO still manage to fuck it up, its a real shitshow tbh
PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:21 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has HBO for $15 a month. I've been considering getting it just for GoT
Progression28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would gladly pay to have access to the GoT episodes the moment they air on TV in Europe (so a little later than US), but such an offer doesn't exist for any reasonable price. Same with watching football - there simply aren't enough offers.
Thankfully in my country streaming is legal. Only providing is illegal but I only watch so I'm fine...
"We don't want to give you the service you would pay for and demand you pay us anyway for a mediocre service and lackluster content" - Every major entertainment company ever
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only pay for HBO specifically, and netflix. It's something like 27 a month? And for other reasons I have Amazon Prime, I never use it for shows, but I'll check to see if something is there that isn't on Netflix or HBO before "finding" it
ChrisPynerr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:46:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair, I've never had to pay a cable bill directly, I'm young and broke so I'm not sure what HBO costs. However I do pay for Netflix. I was also using the ole hyperbole I tend to be overly sarcastic. That is actually quite affordable though I assume that's USD?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you weren't far off for a decent/low end cable internet combo. I used to pay around 125 USD a month for like 50Mbs down and standard cable with no premium. I never had a DVR growing up or as an adult. I don't have a cable box now. I have 100 down internet that I pay 60 for, (until they jack it up after my first year). And I typically just do netflix for 12 I think, (the 4k option). And just now I started up HBO for Game of Thrones. But I don't keep it other than that. But I think it's even 15.99 for HBO a month. And I can't just do that. I really only do it when I want to watch something. It'd be even smarter to wait till the season is over and binge them in one month. But I like to be caught up with the world sometimes.
JurisDoctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is about $16 a month. I subscribe through Amazon channels and use the HBO Now app to watch it on my devices.
Soensou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got HBO through Amazon. Is that what you did? It was a good decision because it ended up being cheaper but maybe that was just a sign up bonus.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No ive never heard of that. I got "HBO now" through my iTunes id
Soensou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that turned out about the same.
DMVBornDMVRaised ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell my mom gets all of that (plus Hulu) and just use the same account. I'm in my 30's and live in a different state.
I kinda roll my eyes at people bemoaning how complicated HBO or Prime is.
OnePieceTwoPiece ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart cunts.
Obanon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MILLENNIALS ARE DESTROYING CABLE
shizenmeister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think HBO's like $12 or $15.
smonkweed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what??? 110? In Hungary most providers give you HBO for like 20 bucks... That's insane.
greebothecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Norway here, $11 a month!
TheJewishNose ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming services often upload shows long before it airs to the public
Ph_Dank ยท 728 points ยท Posted at 20:26:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we out of touch with our business model?
No, it's the children who are wrong.
inopportune-commas ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 23:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKINNEEEER
NotSoCheezyReddit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:32:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi Supernintendo Chalmers!
HatesMillennials ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh...
RebbyRose ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:19:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
said all ISP
itsfuckingeric ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:04 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they can keep being shitty about it. the more people leave cable for better legal alternatives the more money goes to those alternatives and the better they get/more good ones will pop up. free market economics in the internet age my friends (and why net neutrality is so important)
AwesomesaucePhD ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 21:11:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you give me an easy, decently priced way to watch your content I'll do it. If not then I'll keep doing my thing.
klethra ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:44:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VLC has adjustable playback speed to the nearest 0.1x
Even when I pay for things, I pirate them just to be able to set my playback at 1.8x. 60 minute video? Now it's 33 minutes 20 seconds.
reelect_rob4d ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:43:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whyareyouwatchingthingsifyourenotevengoingtotakethetimetoenjoythem?
klethra ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:55:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People in the shows and movies speak way slower than people in real life. It's not enjoying things. It's laboring through at about half the speed at which you're subvocalizing this paragraph. Are you failing to enjoy a book if you read it at the speed you'd read out loud?
Soensou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude's living in 3073
rest_me123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lives the fast life ๐
Poynsid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This argument for why piracy is morally ok has always struck to me as odd. There's plenty of things I don't have access to, are expensive and whose alternatives are shitty and require a long wait. That doesn't entitle me to them; it's not my right to have things produced by a private entity in a way that's convenient or cheap or at all.
Andrewbttm ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the argument is, if corporations and big businesses decide to fuck the consumer in the ass, the consumer has every right to return said fuck.
Poynsid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we don't apply this standard any other product
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What other product can you 'steal' so easily without any legal consequences? In Germany it is still a grey area and there is not one case of someone getting arrested for downloading pirated movies or tv shows.
Poynsid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But my point isn't about stealing per se, it's about the seeming entitlement some have towards media they don't have towards other products
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it is about entitlement. The market wants this product and there is an easier way to get this than buying it directly. You can't compare this to many products because normally you have higher legal repercussions for those actions. I just think that pirating offers a unique opportunity to a great number of people. If it wouldn't exist the outrage about the prices and accessibility would either be higher or people wouldn't care enough. The question is what is better for the industry. I remember a story (maybe even a study) that suggested that the music industry at some point made more profit due to pirating. People would listen to the music and then go to concerts. Without pirating they wouldn't even consider an artist because for example the price of the album is to high. I think the same is true for tv shows. The hype leads to more downloads and thus more fans. Those fans will buy merchandise, attend comic cons and much more without even buying the real product. Maybe some people will get an HBO subscription for GoT after pirating it and stick with it because they like it. I could give many more examples but this should be sufficient.
Andrewbttm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we apply this standard to digital products. It's not just one product. It's much harder to find a way around buying physical items than it is digital.
dtt-d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bunch of drunken dope-addicts and glue-sniffers
OnePieceTwoPiece ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VPN's and they are free! Although slower than paid serviced VPN's.
It's especially useful for sports watchers.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shreked
WakaiSenshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 months? You mean over a year?
MegaPirate ยท 980 points ยท Posted at 19:23:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? If I didn't know already I'd be researching how they do it. "Thanks for the tip."
alghiorso ยท 482 points ยท Posted at 19:54:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also.. In the US and some other countries, it's not illegal to watch a stream from one of these sites, so it's not criminal or "striminal."
tennistargaryen ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 20:05:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it not illegal?
[deleted] ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 20:09:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think it has to do with the fact that if you are streaming, you are not making any duplicates of the material therefore your not in violation of copyright infringement.
PUKEINYOURASS ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 20:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about duplicating it that makes it illegal, it's the distribution. As a user, you can't distribute a streaming video (giving a link to it wouldn't count). Torrents on the other hand rely on people distributing while downloading.
Edit: I was just making a clarification about the duplicating aspect of what OP said. In the U.S. it's not illegal to duplicate any media for personal use. It's when you distribute anything that things change.
brainburger ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason in the EU is about the making of copies. Of course, streaming does involve buffering a local copy, but it is temporarily held.
http://www.digital-digest.com/news-63934-Watching-Pirated-Streams-Is-Legal-Rules-EU-Court.html
AshenIntensity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:49 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So would streaming on a legal site, therefore that point is pointless.
brainburger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:34:46 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a legal site the user could be licensed to make a persistent copy, if the provider so chose. You are right that both official and infringing streams have temporary copies, though they might only keep a part of the whole file at one time. What is it that is pointless though?
AshenIntensity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:32:25 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point there, I'm just saying it would be hard to block one type of streaming because it makes a copy of the file and not completely mess up all types of streaming.
brainburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:13 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah Y es I see. Well nothing the authorities have done to cut down on piracy has been effective. its only the offering of licensed services which has done that. So the pirates have essentially achieved what they wanted. Most media is available online.
landwalker1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:17:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even with torrents though, your most likely just going to get a stern warning from your ISP when you get caught in the US. Enough infractions and shit will go down, but all you need is a solid VPN after that.
drkalmenius ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:33:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Torrenting is a grey area, because you are only distributing small parts of the file- a few bytes can't actually be counted as giving someone a file can it? But you are still Knowingly sharing it. AFAIK there is no precedent for this so they don't really want to go to caught.
landwalker1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of it has to do with it not being worth the time and money to sue. It's not a criminal offense, but it could be a civil one. Most downloaders are potential customers and I sure as hell wouldn't be paying for HBO Now if HBO chose to sue me instead of getting my ISP to send me a cease and desist.
They made it more convenient to pay $15 a month than to torrent.
Hell, I've been boycotting Metallica since the 90's after they shut down Napster. Sure, I still had LimeWire and Kazza, but as an angsty teen, it really pissed me off. Granted, they survived despite my boycott, but I'm still holding out.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that is precisely what i was refering to. The original comment was about how it is not illegal to watch a streamed video. In most cases, as the viewer, it is legal. As the company providing the stream, almost guatenteed to be breaking a law.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. You're not the one commiting the crime. The person hosting the stream in Random Former Soviet Country is.
Koiq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly. Meaning streaming is not illegal.
freerealestatedotbiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unauthorized duplication, even for personal use, is infringement, is illegal, and may make you liable for statutory damages. See 17 USC ยง 106(1) (right to reproduce the work is an exclusive right of the copyright holder); 17 USC ยง 501(a) ("Anyone who violates any of the exclusive rights of the copyright owner...is an infringer of the copyright"); 17 USC ยง 504 (copyright holder entitled to seek statutory rather than actual damages for each infringement). Certain uses are "fair uses" and are not infringement, but personal entertainment is not among them, and simply saying "I didn't distribute" is not enough to successfully argue that a use was "fair" under the statute. 17 USC ยง 107. Distribution is a separate exclusive right under ยง 106, but each can be violated independently of the other.
Now, iirc, there is still an ongoing debate in he courts as to whether streaming as a viewer is an act of infringement because its unsettled whether buffering creates a copy of the work for the purposes of the Copyright Act. Even if you live in a jurisdiction where streaming is infringement, it probably doesn't matter because it just doesn't make any sense for content owners to target streaming viewers because it takes a lot of effort and doesn't actually get at the source of the problem. Plus, it looks terrible from a PR perspective.
Anyway, sorry to nitpick, but I see people with common misconceptions about their rights as a user of content a lot. The bottom line is that if you're making an unauthorized copy, and you're not doing so for a core free speech purpose (like education or criticism/commentary), you're almost certainly committing infringement in the U.S. While it's not likely anyone would actually get sued for the infringement we're talking about here, I just don't like the idea of people going around thinking they're safe when they're really exposed to potentially significant liability for what can be very large statutory damage awards.
AshenIntensity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:28 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But wouldn't streaming on an allowed site also create a copy? A law that prevented it would just make all streaming illegal.
freerealestatedotbiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:36 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's exactly the problem. But the Copyright Act is totally outdated and when courts try to apply it to contemporary facts, they sometimes give us interpretations without fully realizing all of the consequences, which can lead to absurd results later. Keep in mind a lot of these judges are old and may only have a loose grasp on the technology before them
AshenIntensity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People should not be allowed to make such heavy decisions about things they don't understand.
Jpot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying torrenting copyrighted content is legal if I don't seed?
soapgoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its more like because of the logic of the law, buying a stolen item from a pawn shop doesnt make you a thief in the same way as watching a video off a website doesnt.
the liability is not bore upon the consumer but to those providing the stolen product. same way you dont get arrested if you bought a bootleg DVD back in the day, you (as a consumer) reasonably have no requirement in the law to make 100% sure it is legitimate.
torrenting is another thing because technically you are uploading to other people and thus are a part of the distribution. one of the easiest ways to bypass ISP warning letters for torrenting for instance is to just turn off uploading/seeding altogether and be a leech (being a leech isnt technically illegal)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with torrenting isnt just uploading, as a downloader, you are making a copy of copyrighted material.
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you stream it is actually stored on your hard drive, in small parts in your temp folder.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:56:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but you aren't then providing that to anyone
XenlaMM9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you just watch something on say putlocker that someone else uploaded and you don't distribute it to anyone else, is that illegal?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not familiar with that service, i guess it mostly depends on if you are makimg a copy of it as well.
TeoIzAwezome ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:15:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gets download to RAM.
Jumbuck_Tuckerbag ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the striminal.
Dinalib ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that doesn't count as making a duplicate. It's like copying music from one CD to another CD but as soon as you stop the second CD is incinerated.
Acurapassion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deditated wam?
apockill ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 20:09:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you never download the content, you're good. Torrenting is illegal because you both download and share the content. Streaming sites are liable for hosting the content.
PM_ME_WAIT_DONT ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 21:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I posted this below but just so you see it, for clarification
You do download it, yes, in that any and all data received by your device has been "downloaded". It is more likely, though, stored within RAM and destroyed on the fly as the video progresses rather than stored in TEMP and deleted later.
Either way, though, that doesn't matter, because the law has penalties for distribution of copyrighted material but not consumption (or, at least, the penalty is so much smaller for consumption that it's not worth effort to pursue, plus hard to prove in court). Bittorrent, where each user is simultaneously uploading and downloading, is where they catch casual users because they can nab then for distribution on account of their upload.
Streaming, though, does not require distribution (uploading) of the data by the end user ("pirate"). The sites that host the streams are liable, because they are distributing copyrighted material. Except most of those servers are overseas and out of reach of US corporate legal departments.
Even then, while technically both downloading and distributing are both illegal, they are not criminal matters. They are civil matters. If I'm a magician and agree to play at your wedding for $1000 then afterwards you don't pay, that would be illegal, but if I called the cops they'd be like "not really my problem". However, if I had enough evidence of the agreement and that I had performed as agreed, then I could sue you for the money. A copyright holder can't just call the cops when they see copyright infringement. But, with enough evidence and legal effort, they can sue over it. For small fry pirates, it isn't worth it. However, your ISP can cut service without legal action against you.
Edit: meant to say musician playing at a wedding not magician but who doesn't want their wedding to be magical?
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:38:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do download the content. It is saved in small pieces on your hard drive. It's then deleted because it's stored in your temp folder.
sorenant ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
see username
Can you back your argument with facts and documented sources?
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:44:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Give me a moment.
Jsebo15 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
44 moments later.
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:57:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I was in a particularly intense game of CS GO. We lost 14-16 in case you care. :P
So, as to my sources, there are plenty of places you can find this information. One is a forum called Superuser. This is just one example of this question being asked. I have checked the authenticity of this particular one, and you are free to do the same.
Another source
So, as to the claim of /u/PM_ME_WAIT_DONT
Half right, it seems. It is deleted on the fly, but it is in fact stored on your hard drive, in your temp folder. The point of this folder is to be a temporary (hence the name) storage locker for data that you need to access, but don't want to keep, clogging up your storage. Whatever size you have your temp folder set to, that's how much will be stored before it begins to overwrite. So if I had set my temp folder to 10gb it's entirely possible that i'd have a whole episode or two of Game of Thrones stored there in it's entirety. The problem you face when trying to access these files is that in order for most video players to play them back, you would need the whole unbroken file. There are programs that will play these sorts of files for you, but they are not exactly common.
I have searched, and I can find nobody that agrees that a streamed video is stored in RAM. In fact, I just did a simple test, which any of you can also do. I opened a video while monitoring my RAM usage, and watched the whole thing. My RAM usage stayed constant throughout, meaning no data was being "stored" in there by the stream I was watching.
I hope this was an interesting read for you guys, it was certainly interesting for me to look it up.
Of course, I could be wrong about parts of this, i'm no expert after all. But that's life, and I'd be happy to be taught how I got it wrong, if anyone with more knowledge happens to come along and cares to share it.
Peace.
Edit: Sorry, forgot to tag /u/sorenant ! :D
vegaskukichyo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody give that man some gold
All I got is !RedditSILVER
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, your small gesture warmed my heart. :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ I like the way that you are.
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:37:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, thanks. :)
PM_ME_WAIT_DONT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good software should delete all of its own temp data when it closes, though, so it's not like there's an actual folder with two episodes of GoT just chilling on your disk. Chrome would delete those files when it closes. Even if said software doesn't clean up is own temp, then the OS should (Linux/*nix/OSX does, I guess Windows doesn't). Then, even if those files aren't deleted, they aren't stored with human readable names or in easily decoded formats (way back when, like IE5 days before streaming was a big thing) plain-file copies of streamed media files were stored locally after shutdown, and I did manage to recover some videos that way back then.
Also, this applies to YouTube/flash video (per your source) and not to any kind of live streaming and potentially not to a proprietary system (like perhaps hbogo). DRM protected content is much more likely to be encrypted on disk (in temp) as well as more readily discarded. I would argue, too, that whether the video is stored on disk or in RAM would depend on type/size and platform. For instance, a 7MB webm (mp4 video) might only be streamed through RAM instead of introducing disk latency for such a small file, also mobile devices may behave differently, but I've not researched anything.
The larger point, though, is that downloading and keeping isn't any more illegal than downloading and deleting (eg streaming). Uploading and hosting is what they care about.
_TheCredibleHulk_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some very interesting and good points, thanks for taking the time to explain some of this stuff to me.
I was originally just trying to refute the point of a previous commenter that the content is never downloaded to your PC, which I felt must be wrong, as for your PC to display it, the content had to be (however temporarily) stored there, right?
This turned out to be a lot more interesting and educational than I thought, and I'm going to do some extra reading on this thanks to you.
Cheers!
PM_ME_WAIT_DONT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do download it, yes, in that any and all data received by your device has been "downloaded". It is more likely, though, stored within RAM and destroyed on the fly as the video progresses rather than stored in TEMP and deleted later.
Either way, though, that doesn't matter, because the law has penalties for distribution of copyrighted material but not consumption (or, at least, the penalty is so much smaller for consumption that it's not worth effort to pursue, plus hard to prove in court). Bittorrent, where each user is simultaneously uploading and downloading, is where they catch casual users because they can nab then for distribution on account of their upload.
Streaming, though, does not require distribution (uploading) of the data by the end user ("pirate"). The sites that host the streams are liable, because they are distributing copyrighted material. Except most of those servers are overseas and out of reach of US corporate legal departments.
Even then, while technically both downloading and distributing are both illegal, they are not criminal matters. They are civil matters. If I'm a magician and agree to play at your wedding for $1000 then afterwards you don't pay, that would be illegal, but if I called the cops they'd be like "not really my problem". However, if I had enough evidence of the agreement and that I had performed as agreed, then I could sue you for the money. A copyright holder can't just call the cops when they see copyright infringement. But, with enough evidence and legal effort, they can sue over it. For small fry pirates, it isn't worth it. However, your ISP can cut service without legal action against you.
TeoIzAwezome ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gets downloaded to RAM.
sobeston ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:41:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are downloading the content. Otherwise, you would not receive said content.
apockill ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand how internet browsing works. I'm just explaining why it's not illegal. You don't keep the content.
sobeston ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then say that you're not keeping the content. It's not hard - don't knowingly say something that is objectively wrong.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you understood what he meant?
AugustusCaesar2016 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:39:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not illegal to download it from other peoples' computers. It's illegal to distribute it without the owner's permission though, which is what happens when you use bittorrent. The bittorrent network basically works by people sharing files, so your bittorrent client both downloads from people on the network and uploads what you're downloading with other people, until you remove the torrent.
Incidentally, you can easily get around this with a very cheap VPN service.
MichaelMyersFanClub ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.businessinsider.com/are-streaming-sites-legal-2014-4
Totallynotalawyer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just add this here too: http://bciptf.org/2015/03/on-the-legality-of-watching-unlicensed-tv-streams/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tennistargaryen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The watcher is the one streaming it...
Nokia_Bricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its the responsibility of the person hosting the video to secure the correct licenses and permissions.
Think of it this way. If you are at the park and someone has a projector playing The Shawshank Redemption on the side of a building. You and several people sit down and start watching. Who should get in trouble if the guy with the projector has a bootleg DVD? The people watching? Everyone who has walked by? Of course not. The blame would fall entirely on that guy.
Kazumara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on jurisdiction. Here in Switzerland the situation is that private use of a published work is legal. Except for software.
5926135 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling me that if I stream a movie off Putlocker it's not illegal?
Coco1183 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:06:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is it legal or illegal in the U.S. I'm asking for a friend.
alghiorso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no lawyer, but based on what I've read - perfectly legal unless you're 1. Downloading it 2. Broadcasting it.
PM_ME_WAIT_DONT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading and streaming are the same thing and both technically illegal, but both are so hard to prove in their own and neither is a criminal penalty so both are ignored. Broadcasting, uploading, seeding a torrent are all much easier to prove and carry much stiffer penalties so that's where they put their legal effort
PM_ME_WAIT_DONT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically illegal, but impossible to prove in court.
420B1scu1ts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The united states amended thst law in 2012. It is illegal to stream copyrighted material you dont own or havnt paid a subscription for.
alghiorso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! I didn't know that. Thanks for the input 420B1scu1ts.
420B1scu1ts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea i found out a month ago when i started looking at everything because of net neutrality. Promptly got rid of kodi. Think of napster people didnt care it was illegal untill fines of millions of dollars against highschoolers came out. These servers operate outside u.s. but you watch them inside u.s. you most likely wont see anything other than comcast cut your internet if your caught though.
0000111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have more information about that amendment? I'd like to do some research.
420B1scu1ts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:30:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck just look up streaming laws for united states its somewhere in there im about to start reading black science to get away from it all.
Totallynotalawyer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not illegal, but it's also not not illegal. In the United States, the issue of law has not been squarely decided yet. It's not really monetarily worth it for a company with copyrighted content to sue an individual, but at some point, some streamer is going to get sued by a company just out of spite, or to make an example, and whether or not the streamer wins the suit, they're going to have a very bad (that is, expensive) couple of years.
Source: totally not a lawyer, https://harvardlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/single_publication_rule.pdf, http://www.greenbag.org/v16n1/v16n1_ex_post_kerr.pdf, https://journals.law.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/stanford-technology-law-review/online/licensinginshadow.pdf.
ThatLexxyFellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is it's not a crime, or 'strime'?
morscordis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's criminal to provide it. It's not illegal to watch it.
semper_JJ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:58:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real the only thing missing is the line that says "and best of all, it's all free!"
musedav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem my strigga.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called MovieBox
drsaendu ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 19:38:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....and would pay for it if the content they want to watch was available.
xpired-milk ยท 182 points ยท Posted at 20:01:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno why you're being downvoted. I gladly pay for content if It's easily accessible, adfree, and reasonably priced.
TheGreyMage ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 21:37:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix motherfuckers. Why do these dim-witted morons think it's been successful? Not by accident.
No adverts. Incredibly cheap, high quality limitless streaming. Give it to us & you will make money. Lots of money.
Or, get out the fucking way.
NorseTikiBar ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 22:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix's business model was successful because they figured out the streaming thing long before everyone else could wrap their head around it. Now, the content library that they have is slowly shrinking, so they're trying to tread water as they shift over into having more and more exclusive shows.
Don't expect it to be cheap forever, basically.
TheGreyMage ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:16:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do make good content, and I want to support them as I want to support Game of Thrones (which I regularly pirate stream), but if it becomes less than feasible for me as a consumer then why should I bother?
If Netflix wants to continue to be ahead of the game, they need to change. If the industry wants to survive, then it all needs to change.
popcar2 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:42:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix in my region has significantly less content than US and EU. One time I payed one month and realized that it isn't as great as I thought it would be. I could use a VPN, but even that's not safe and a hassle so I'd rather not
TheGreyMage ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:11:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just checked, and I get 35%-38% of the content US Netflix has available. I'm in Britain. What the fuck, how can this be this hard?
a_hirst ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, this does my fucking head in. I also pay for Amazon Prime and despite paying for both, 50% of the time the stuff I actually want to watch isn't available on either. So guess what? I turn to places where they are.
Christ, I'd pay for a third bloody steaming service if it had more of the shows I want to watch, but more often than not they're only available to buy for an absurdly high price (yeah, I'm totally buying season 4 of The 100 for ยฃ24.99. That's a completely reasonable price for a single show) or they're not available at all.
rested_green ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is Hulu where you live?
ClarSco ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:54:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is only available in the US and Japan.
squeakos_fetches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Rupert Murdoch, probably.
RebbyRose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you check?
TheGreyMage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link posted here that calculates all these things for you.
3rdIGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a hassle at all, not unsafe, suuuuuper easy, hola is a great extension for chrome.
Triarag ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:37:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really should stop using Hola.
https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/37jwdo/all_do_not_use_hola_you_become_an_unwitting_exit/
3rdIGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:50:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Word, thanks for the heads up!
GameRender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is gradually getting rid of all the shows they got a licence for. You're getting less and less by the day.
rested_green ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, at least they have the actual Matrix now.
JD-King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will wait a fucking year to watch something without commercials and whenever I want to. Still waiting on that Archer Dreamland action.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Triarag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just watching Archer Dreamland on Netflix, it's available in Japan.
Techtronic23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason I pay for Netflix and Funimation. Especially since Funimation and Crunchyroll shared their library between each other. I can watch all the shows I want to for a price that won't break the bank
NorseTikiBar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easily accessible, ad free, reasonably priced.
Pick two.
YoungPotato ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because people are freeloaders
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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YoungPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree with you. I was stating why the parent comment was getting downvoted. People will pirate anyways despite there being an easily accessible, affordable option. And those people will still try to justify their free loading to be morally right or some shit like that.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Aardvark_Man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have access to my parents Foxtel account on my phone, and it's still just better and easier to pirate stuff.
It's not supposed to be chromecasted, so the quality sucks, day first episode of GoT came out they couldn't handle the demand etc.
3rdIGo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then cancel after the seasons over, duhhhhhh
SSFF6B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then get transferred over to retention where they shoot their mouths off convincing you that $100+ a month is a great deal?
No thanks.
3rdIGo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:49:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hbo now is a month to month subscription service that costs $15/month...you can easily cancel and restart lol...at this point you're just looking for an excuse to justify your behavior.
Fuck_The_Stigma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it available in Canada?
SafariMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally just did that with Kimi no Na wa. Waited a while for it to become available on any UK streaming services, but no news of such, other than a Blu Ray in October.
Now that I've seen it, and it's good, I might buy the Blu Ray... if I had a player. I wanted to give them my money...
brainburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why no content-makers will host their own torrents with ads.
drsaendu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might as well sell the rights to some platform that already exists or make it available for download on their website, i don't think that torrent will overcome its piracy image for this.
bananafreesince93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, HBO in my country still uses Flash.
โฆ and they wonder why people pirate.
bricebergh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't paid for a movie in 2 years !
Lyndis_Caelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether that's referring to general shoujo-ai or Yuri on Ice, I'm pretty sure there are distinct lacks of legal sources for some of these in the United States.
PraiseYuri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a purest love American fan is hard. Luckily they're finally wising and up and localizing a bunch of yuri Manga, of which I'm glad to buy and support.
PrrrromotionGiven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I could pay for that level of convenience, I often would. Illegal methods are objectively better than legal ones, for non-financial reasons, in many cases.
SofaSpudAthlete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
" 'Cause I'm a Striminal!" [in Eminem's voice]
MrQuintillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up and take my zero dollars!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem with that is that content creators want to perceive benefits for their work. So they will start moving to places that are gonna be really hard to pirate or they will stop making content.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do what you want 'cause a pirate lives free
test_subject6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll gladly pay for that please, thank you.
EVILD00R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they don't pay for it
I_love_pillows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea those grey old boomers (groldmers) could get cheap housing at our age so that balances it out.
/s
TheWiredWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people not feel bad for stealing someone's work?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NorseTikiBar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just sounds like a way of justifying that you didn't pay to have access to someone else's hard work.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheWiredWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go be a content creator or artist and give away all your work.
So this without any other source of income on the side though. Your tune will change.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also free.
FirelordHeisenberg ยท 3326 points ยท Posted at 15:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds great to me. Not even paid services provide all the benefits listed above.
2brun4u ยท 1271 points ยท Posted at 17:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly if it's not on Netflix or Spotify, I'm going to be a striminal.
It's easy for companies to get on those sites.
Amannelle ยท 840 points ยท Posted at 17:16:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Spotify, and HBO Now.
If it isn't on those, you better believe I'm watching it/listening to it illegally. I can't be expected to spend a vast fortune on these kinds o things.
TheIronJew_ ยท 608 points ยท Posted at 17:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You already are.
Hroslansky ยท 499 points ยท Posted at 17:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way, those services are like $15 each. So he's spending at most $60 a month for all that content. You can't get a cable subscription for that price with the inclusion of premium channels like HBO, plus the streaming services are pretty much ad free (not sure about amazon prime). And the cable company certainly doesn't give you access to a massive music catalogue as part of your monthly cable package.
TheIronJew_ ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 17:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/CordCutters
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wonder if there's a British version? I had a brief look and it seems very much American, which is fine if you're in the US. :0
theivoryserf ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 21:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How to stop getting quality programming made 101
Edit: seriously, can't wait to get shittier and shittier cheaply made shows. Just like journalism and music, apparently nobody sees a forthcoming issue with 'everything needs to be free and instant' business model. Quality gets fucked in the ass.
TheFatJesus ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that damn Netflix is killing quality content.
Def_Your_Duck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:52 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which totally explains them having released some of the best TV shows available right now
TheIronJew_ ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emmys
Keeping Up With The Kardashians
16 and Pregnant
My Strange Addiction
Here Comes Honey Boo Boo
Jersey Shore
Maury
TRU
theivoryserf ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you're right. These are the only shows that cost money to produce.
Delteron ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wait those are all Netflix and Amazon Originals my bad.
drkalmenius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the marvel shows are also fucking awesome.
insanekid123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the malevel shows but iron fist.
IvanKozlov ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Netflix and Hulu don't pay for the shows they stream? Or Netflix and Hulu originals aren't quality? Or the fact that the premium channels bundle in their streaming service with their subscription?
minibum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These companies make billions a year and already have made some good content on their own. Where are you getting these assumptions?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you consider HBO ad free than amazon is ad free.
t8rtot01 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His user name is "iron Jew" lol. Even if it costs him one smeckle it would be over priced!
SteelxSaint ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the word "shekel"?
RoyTheGeek ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is
hornwort ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:52:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're both half-right.
It's shmeckel.
Pickled_Wizard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:56:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About 1/500th of the cost of my big fake boobies.
a_stitch_in_lime ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck?
SuperiorExcess ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:06:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you going to pretend to be outraged now?
SumThinChewy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dudes shaking
Peregrim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At about 10$ a week I get all the streaming I want. And was paying 135$ a month for comparable cable before. And if it's not on any of those, or easily available I'm not jumping through hoops for it. I'll download or just miss it.
Amannelle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix in a plan with my friends, so it's not much. Amazon Prime I use for things other than just the movie selection, so I don't mind it. I'm currently affiliated with a University, so I only spend $50 a year for Prime. Spotify is about $10, and HBO Now is $14 a month. So I spend about $32 a month for all of those things. I'll probably drop HBO Now in Summer 2018, but I'm enjoying it at the moment.
Hroslansky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Spotify has a student discount as well!
Amannelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm staff, not a student. However, there are talks about doing a University staff and faculty discount too. :)
Hroslansky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you have a .edu email address you're good to go! https://www.spotify.com/us/student/
Amannelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I may need to look into this. You know, for research purposes and whatnot.
WentoX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, share. I'm getting HBO free from a family member, and Netflix for a ยผ price from a friend. As soon as I get a gf you can bet your ass were gonna be sharing one Spotify account.
Liquid_Meat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but he also pays for an internet subscription to get access toa ll those services and that ain't free either
suddenly it looks about the same as cable .
h3yw00d ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:08:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for them, but for myself, I'd be paying for internet regardless of any streaming service. To me, internet is basically a utility in line with electricity, gas, and water.
Hroslansky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you're gonna pay for internet either way. If you pay $60 for internet and $60 for streaming services, it still comes out cheaper than a cable and internet bundle from most providers. Looking at my options through CenturyLink right now, a comparable package is gonna cost $135 per month for a two-year commitment, and that price goes up after 12 months. Additionally, that doesn't include premium channels like HBO, music streaming like Spotify, ad-free content like Netflix, extensive VOD libraries like most streaming sites, and the additional benefits of an amazon prime membership. Not to mention that's having cable hooked up for one TV.
Cable bundles are obsolete and a waste of money, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
Liquid_Meat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and you're still stuck with pretty big gaps in media...
Watertor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of which those gaps exist in cable content regardless. I want to watch x show? Well they aren't showing new episodes, or the episodes I want, or the episodes they happen to be showing also happen to be the one I want, but I have to watch about 20-30% of the show's length in ads, and likely after the one or two episodes of x show the channel now has a different show I don't give a shit about.
DVR only goes so far in that it only downloads a certain amount of episodes, I still have to fast forward through the ads, and also there's no guarantee I'm getting the episodes I want regardless.
I would gladly pay more for streaming bundles than Cable, because streaming lets you pick and choose, binge, very few if any ads, it's just wholly better all around. Cable is outdated no matter what price it's at. If it was only about price people would go with free antennas anyway.
IvanKozlov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's been exactly 0% of content that I miss with my Hulu, Amazon, Funimation, HBO, Netflix and Showtime subscription. Literally nothing that I want to watch that those services don't provide.
Hroslansky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
legone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay under $60 for Netflix, Hulu, HBO Now, Google Play Music, and Dramafever. Under $60 for everything including obscure Asian dramas.
People are cheap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Toberkulosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then I have to pay the cable company 70 dollars for my internet, so in reality I'm paying 130 for all that content.
Hroslansky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easily double the amount of content you'd get from your cable company though: ad-free streaming, massive VOD catalogues, music streaming, and free shipping from Amazon.
bluewords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, I got amazon prime just for the free shipping. The video streaming is just gravy.
Soensou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention, your cable companies aren't giving you free shipping and ebooks. I have tons of free content on my kindle because of amazon prime. Like...it's really a lot more than you could ever hope to get from cable.
bigbloodymess69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:43 on November 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a rip off tho
Cookerrac ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With Amazon prime, the total package would be around $160. And no, there are no ads on prime. But Prime dose include its own music streaming service and data cloud service also, so its own bundle by itself. Still cheaper than a cable sub.
MusicTheoryIsHard ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:53:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh amazon prime is $100 for a year, that's like $8 a month. HBO Now is $15, Spotify is $10, and Netflix is $8-$15. At most that's $48 a month.
Hroslansky ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not $160 a month. Amazon prime is a yearly payment of $100. So that's a little over $8 a month, meaning this setup would be less than $60 a month.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know can't you also just get a monthly sub to Amazon Prime as well instead of just paying 100 a year?
FGoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you can.
Cookerrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, nope. It's an annual fee of $99.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_left_v4_sib?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200966690ย
Looks possible to me. Again, apologies if this isn't what everyone is talking about, but it seems that it's 10.99 a month for prime if you don't want to pay an annual fee
Hroslansky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$50 if you have a .edu email address, right? That's the deal I got cause I needed some textbooks shipped ASAP so I signed up for prime for the cheap shipping.
Nuzid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, half off for students. Same with Spotify. I also share a Netflix account with three other friends so it's โฌ3/mo for me. Therefore I pay less than โฌ15 per month combined.
t8rtot01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can in the sense that when you cancel the service in the middle of the year they only charge you for months you used the service.
BoobieBoobieButtButt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL $50-$60 a month is a vast fortune
sorenant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any idea of how much lentil I could get for that? I could live like a king for years to come!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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B0bsterls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for the creative pirate analogies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, MLB.tv, and PSVue during college football season, and I still have to pirate RuPaul's Drag Race, because fucking Viacom.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Dvg4200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are your go to sites if you can't find on one of those platforms?
Amannelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it on here, so I'll PM you. :)
Dvg4200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
TinCanBegger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey you mind sharing that HBO Now password with me buddy? I won't share it with anyone else, promise :).
Amannelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha well I don't actually mind other people using it since I can only really stream it in the evenings (Eastern US), but I only share it with friends irl. Sorry bud!
rebane2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Spotify Premium, 95% of the music I listen to isn't there
I just buy all my music off of Bandcamp and listen to the mp3's
Amannelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have a bad habit of rage-buying music from iTunes when it isn't on Spotify and I really want to listen to it.
rebane2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The music I listen to isn't even on iTunes :'c
johnwithcheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only have Spotify and that's the free tier too. Its not my fault these shows are physically impossible to watch in my country aside from paying a very large sum and a long contract.
send-me-your-music ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're not expected to watch it to begin with ...
IanPPK ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 17:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Crunchyroll, Netflix, Amazon Prime (every so often), Spotify, and HBO Go (I got HBO for free with my internet package for a decent deal). I'll still pirate shows that are hard to get though.
Shugbug1986 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its especially when one of those get the license to a show and botch the release... looking at you Netflix. Hell, CR STILL doesn't really provide as good of an experience as piracy.
ElementalSB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon Prime has some decent newer anime like Saekano for me recently and in the past I'd use Netflix to watch 'classics' (as in very popular from a few years ago or more) such as Death Note, Gurren Lagann, FMA:B. Kill La Kill etc etc and Crunchyroll tends to fill the gap of modern newly released anime that isn't on Amazon Prime and 'classics' that aren't on Netflix.
If it isn't on either of them (which can still be quite a lot surprisingly for very popular anime) I'll just use KissAnime.
Sprite_isnt_lemonade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazons biggest problem for Anime though is the double pay wall, the delays in scheduled upload timed.
Plus, sometimes the subs are off.
ElementalSB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, luckily my family has prime so I could just use theirs. I would probably buy prime if it was just me anyway before they added Anime Strike.
Grimreborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should get on that VRV service that cruchyroll has. For 14.99 (I think) you get access to funimation as well. There's a few other smaller channels in as well.
freakincampers ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have two shows I watch that can not be found in the country I'm in.
haikubot-1911 ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 17:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have two shows I
Watch that can not be found in
The country I'm in.
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Woof_alot ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 17:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this cool bot and how it makes nice haikus I want one for me
northrupthebandgeek ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:18:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that this bot does not consistently turn things into haikus.
MWM2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that this bot / can fail to work as it should / does not always work
ForgottenTraveller ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the comma might be throwing it off.
for_the_revolution ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try
Liquid_Meat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it didn't really do anything. the other guy wrote the haiku.
shawarma_law ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I wish the double dick dude guy wasn't a fake because I really really want to suck both his dicks at the same time."
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2kittygirl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
theivoryserf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the challenge of haikus but I always run out of sylla
haikubot-1911 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the challenge
Of haikus but I always
Run out of sylla
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I'm a bot made by /u/Eight1911. I detect haiku.
Blue_Phoenix912 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This bot is pretty cool and it's only 2 days of age as of now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent bot
CowboyState ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
grimoiregirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good bot
Mezase_Master ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can it detect the number of syllables in every word?
yea_likethecity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To that end, I wonder how many striminals pay for streaming and only commit a strime when something's unavailable on their paid services. I know I'm in that category as well.
Cornpwns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Openly admitting to being one of those dastardly striminals?? I'm getting the interweb police on the phone ASAP
Edit:couldn't make the call bithub is taking too much data
throwaway56132477 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the only reason they won't join Spotify/Netflix is because they're greedy cunts. I don't see why a greedy teenager is any worse than a greedy entertainment executive.
uniqueguy263 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What isn't on Spotify?
MegaPlaysGames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either real small indie artists, or big artist on strike because spotify pays shitty.
2brun4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly yeah, small indie artists, but I use bamdcamp for them
grimoiregirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few of my favorite artists have not posted their earlier albums or have pulled them or switched labels at some point so some of their early stuff isn't available. Or some artists have certain songs that were "exclusive" or "unreleased" but are everywhere on youtube, the pirate bay, soundcloud, etc. but not Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. There's these things called contracts, and they play a huge part in asset value.
Nobody in this thread understands how any of these business operate, but will offer countless ideas, that just serve get them what they want more easily and cheaply.
2brun4u ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they actually cared about viewership, those contracts are not difficult to modify. Hell, those same media companies change contracts on consumers all the time.
They don't change those contracts since they're still under the impression people will pay to bow down to them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The contracts with consumers are by the year, the ones between businesses are by the decade. Violating or breaking a contract can devalue the asset significantly, then providers won't have the means to provide anymore while they are trying to appease the investors because the ROR has dropped significantly or gone negative.
2brun4u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That only applied to when content could be controlled.
Now the companies that still abide by old systems deserve to have their assets devalued through the business cycle. Failure to innovate or update is not a reason to feel sorry for those firms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really argue there, failure to adapt is a serial killer in business.
I just think the customers, the business, and the numbers are far apart on the perceived value of the product. It will take time to work itself out, and part of that is waiting for contracts to expire.
luke_in_the_sky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But do you pay for porn?
grimoiregirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone pays for porn they are either into some really insanely specific fetish, a pedo, or a cop.
immerc ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 17:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam shows that if you make it really easy to buy and play games you'll make a huge dent in game copyright infringement.
Now, compare games to Game of Thrones.
If I want to play the Game of Thrones game by Telltale, I can buy it on Steam, or for PS4, XBox, iOS, Android, etc.
If I want to watch the show, it's not available on Amazon, Netflix, Hulu or anything else with a lot of other shows by other studios. The only way to get it is to buy a huge bundle of other things I may not want.
When it's easier to get what you want by infringing copyrights than by going the legit route, you're going to get copyright infringement.
MrPlaysWithSquirrels ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:42:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about HBO Now?
immerc ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can pay $15/month for Netflix with Star Wars movies, Star Trek shows and movies, Netflix originals, and lots of old shows by a huge variety of studios.
If I want to watch Game of Thrones, my only option is to pay $15/month for yet another service with much less variety from a single studio.
Imagine if to play FIFA I had to buy an EA Sports console that could only play EA Sports games, and there were no EA Sports games on PC, PS4, XBox, etc. Do you think many people would be buying that EA Sports console?
MrPlaysWithSquirrels ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can pay for HBO Now just when Game of Thrones is running. Your justification of not being able to watch it on "anything else with a lot of other shows by other studios" is just that, a justification.
They make it very easy for you to legally watch their show, and don't charge you out the ass for it. Don't pretend it's on them, if you live in America.
immerc ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'm justified in thinking that it's not worth the price when you compare similar services.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting 10 episodes of GoT for like $45 total, at live airtime or whenever and wherever you want, that's pretty good. That's cheaper than the blurays which come out 6 months later. If you value the show $5/episode isn't bad if you absolutely won't try to watch any of their other offerings.
HBO makes premium content and if you don't want to pay for it, why do you deserve it free? What would you pay for it?
If HBO Now was available in my country I would buy it in a heartbeat.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rea557 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yea they are spending 6-8 million per episode. I get that "make it easy or I'll find a way" but HBO heard that and made it easy. Hell you can even wait until the season is all out rent it for one month and binge watch it all.
catechizer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get a month free with a new account too, and to make a new account if you already have one all you need is a burner phone.
Imo it's just as easy to watch it for free without breaking federal laws as it is to pirate, if not easier.
invisible__hand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not at all easy to watch it for free legally compared to illegal streaming unless you do not know how to find streams easy which you clearly don't.
You can find GoT in 1080 minutes after it airs in 2 clicks. You can not do that legally, anywhere, period.
catechizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was factoring in setting up and maintaining a VPN or something to protect yourself from prosecution, which clearly you don't.
Spuik ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:31:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it's not worth the price for you, you don't buy it. You also don't steal it because that's illegal and will just lead to studios only making franchise sequels because people aren't paying for anything else.
immerc ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright laws have been written and extended by Hollywood for decades now. It's supposed to be a balance between what's fair for society and what encourages new creativity.
I'm fine with resisting laws I don't believe in by breaking them.
Studios may well make franchise sequels, but they're already being challenged by people on YouTube, Twitch and similar services, and that's despite how unfriendly YouTube is to anybody without deep pockets.
CWSwapigans ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright laws?
You think they shouldn't hold a copyright for Game of Thrones?? A show that's still actively running?
immerc ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is owned by Time Warner, one of the big media conglomerates of the world, and possibly about to be acquired by AT&T, among the biggest in the telecom oligopolies.
They're exactly the kinds of companies that are lobbying to take rights away from the people.
If I were to infringe their copyright, it's not going to hurt them very much, but every little bit helps.
CWSwapigans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, that's a completely different argument than the one above, which makes it feel like you're just hopping from argument to argument until you find the one that suits the decision you already made.
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's all the same argument, they're all just different aspects of the same problem.
Spuik ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are bound to be some people who don't like the law that assaulting thieves is prohibited. They might be perfectly fine with breaking laws they don't like. If someone beats you up for being a thief, the state will defend you and punish them even though they didn't believe in that particular law. It's good when people live by the common rules and laws even when they don't like each and every one of them.
RonaldDumbsfield ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that... Now I'm gonna go smoke my illegal weed, watch kodi, and sodomize my gf.
immerc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:50:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laws regarding theft and assault have been on the books more or less unchanged for centuries. Corporations haven't been buying politicians to allow them special exceptions for the use of theft and assault... at least not yet.
Copyright is another matter. Each time Mickey Mouse is about to enter the public domain, the copyright term gets longer. That is something that's not in the interests of the public, but only in the interests of the media oligopoly.
The way the system in the US is rigged, there's no realistic way to fight the corporations buying these types of laws. However, it's pretty easy to resist them by ignoring them.
rodgerdodger2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude HBO Now has a lot of content from other studios, and their content is generally higher quality than netflix or prime. They have made it easy and reasonably priced to get GoT legally, and if you still arent paying for it then just admit you are the cheap bastard you are.
For the record, i also pirate media that is inaccessable otherwise
grubas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just upped and added on HBO to our package. HBO Go was included so I just entered the stuff into my Roku. Between Netflix and HOBOgo we have everything we need, because Hulu is utter trash and Amazon we don't order enough stuff from from for it to be useful. Plus my dad has my HBO info so he watches some of it at his house.
My Netflix account is ancient, so I have had it on about 12 different devices and at least 15-20 IPs over the near 10 years.
Medial_FB_Bundle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I hate to sound like a shill but Hulu has gotten way better than it was before. I used to be all about Netflix over Hulu but then I started paying not to see commercials and my experience vastly improved, and then Hulu started poaching tons of content from Netflix and now their catalogues are at least equal in value and it's just way better than it used to be. I am also an HBO go watcher and that's great but HBO doesn't put out tons of content, only the stuff that they do is almost guaranteed to be amazing, groundbreaking television. But if you're a voracious TV watcher Hulu is in no way deserving of scorn.
bronxblue ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...you can watch other things on HBO. And sure, it would be nice if you could watch the Game of Thrones as part of another package, but that's life. Just because want things to be convenient doesn't mean a service must cater to everyone's whims at the same time.
HBO Now is $15/mo and a season of GoT is, what, three months long at most? Pay the $45 and then cancel; that seems immensely reasonable.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely wrong. They want to sell their shit so they should cater to the customer needs. Thats basic capitalism 101. Or do you have a good explanation why there shouldn't be a GOT-only package?
Spuik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it would probably be a popular package. That doesn't mean you're entitled to break the law and steal whatever you want until that package exists.
bronxblue ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do cater to their customer's needs. They give you an HBO-only streaming service for $15. What is the price point you think they should charge for a GoT-only package.
The customer is not always right; sometimes, they are just entitled and cheap.
TalkBigShit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I mean clearly their model is working for them well enough but you're pretty wrong about consumers being cheap. An individual can be cheap, but if the whole population decided that 15 wasn't a fair price for GoT then they aren't wrong, the company is.
bronxblue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine, but it sure seems a large portion of the population is fine paying $15. If people talked with their wallets and didn't pay it, HBO would charge less. My point about the customer was in reference to the OP saying that he or she should be able to pay a different price for what is basically the same content and that HBO wasn't paying attention to their needs by not providing that option.
CWSwapigans ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of shows are available for purchase a la carte. That type of service has performed terribly. People want their content bundled because it's cheaper that way.
immerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright infringement is life too. Paying nothing seems even more reasonable.
bronxblue ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, sure, breaking the law is a part of life. That isn't remotely the point here. I could also come over and steal your computer and phone. I doubt you'd be so sanguine about it being an inevitable part of human existence.
immerc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:47:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is the victim and the perpetrator.
The victim in the case of copyright infringement of Game of Thrones is Time Warner, one of the major members of the media oligopoly in the US, and about to be acquired by AT&T, one of the major members of the telecoms oligopoly.
bronxblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That distinction means absolutely nothing. You are stealing from someone you don't want to pay. Time Warner employs tens of thousands of people, most of whom are just working for a place and have lives and families that would be adversely affected by people not paying for the services they render. They don't and shouldn't care one iota about whatever BS distaste you have for their employer.
And beyond that, you are also screwing everyone involved in the making of GoT out of money. They don't get paid out of a charity; they get paid via fees their studio collects from HBO via Time Warner.
Again, just admit you are cheap and don't want to pay for things you enjoy. It's fine. But lazy, trite rationalizations for why you don't want to pay for something you like is a well-worn path.
immerc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To you it makes no difference. Maybe you consider corporations people. Maybe you've been effectively brainwashed. That's fine. I have a different opinion.
bronxblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sort of figured you'd devolve to this line of "reasoning". Keep thinking your half baked, trite libertarianism catchphrases and inability to understand how economies work make you immune to the reality that taking from others without paying is stealing and a pretty bad way to go through life. I was going to ask if you actually work, but then I realized that it doesn't really matter. This should have been a lesson you learned long ago, but I assume you think that's just more brainwashing.
immerc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:15:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you feel free to continue to follow laws passed by corporations in their own interests and against yours. Continue to accept the meager freedoms they allow you to have, and rail against anybody who doesn't fall in line.
bronxblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, keep on pirating GoT episodes to stick it to the man. You truly are fighting against tyranny and oppression.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bronxblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm defending the creators of the work, in this case GoT. I don't have any love for TW, but they are the ones giving money and resources to create a work, and when you don't pay them they'll stop supporting that work. It's that simple.
And this insistence on treating all corporations as evil is silly and, in most cases, hypocritical. The vast majority of people comment here with using a phone created by multi-billion companies or on a computer made by other multi-billion dollar companies. The clothes you wear are probably from huge conglomerates, the food you eat, the car you drive, the music and games you enjoy. Some people do make conscious efforts to refrain from large corporate output, and so they have that leg to stand on (though based on personal experience, they tend to be proponents of paying a fair price for what they use).
And in most cases, the people that make up those companies, the day-to-day employees are just trying to do their job and get home by dinner. If you think not wanting to screw those people out of money for being part of a product I consume "bootlicking", then fine. I think that argument is full of shit and spouted off be either hypocrites or ignorant people, but so be it.
I guess my question to everyone who thinks not paying for "X" is fine is where is the line? Where do they make that distinction between supporting artists and producers and corporate greed? Who deserves your money (and I guess, where do you get your money from), and are you ready to accept the consequences if that decision (and similar ones) lead to something you like not being available anymore. Because those GoT books were written because enough people paid to buy them off the shelves initially. But they were published by Random House, a billion dollar company.
And for the record, I don't think I've ever watched an episode of GoT or read a page of the books. It's not remotely interesting to me. But I find it ironic that something so important to so many people is abused by it's fans to justify them not wanting to fork over a reasonable sum.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The distinction is very important; stealing 15$ from Time Warner is much better than stealing 15$ from some poor person... Neither is good of course, but one is clearly much worse.
bronxblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no gradient on the stealing spectrum to me. It's all rationalizations, the same we heard when Napster was just breaking through and everyone said we were just taking from the record labels and "rich bands" like Metallica. It's taking because you don't want to pay for the product you like, and however you want to paint the victim doesn't change that fact.
By this line of argument, would it be better to punch your mom (assuming you like her) or your enemy's mom? Both are bad, but I guess one deserves it more because you don't like them.
The people who work for Time Warner, the vast majority of whom are not the executives that draw the ire of people, are still being stiffed by proxy. And if enough people stop paying for services, then these people will the first to lose pay or their jobs.
I will finish with the simple fact that people should pay for what they consume. If you don't think $15 is the right price, then don't pay for it and encourage to do the same. HBO will listen to the market, and if it's loud enough they'll drop their price. But if not, then trying to circumvent this fair system because you're cheap (and not saying you are, just the general person who claims that copyrights shouldn't matter) isn't some noble stand.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bronxblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good lord, are you actually trotting out the "data wants to be free" line of reasoning here? There's only one GoT, and you don't want to pay for it.
V4DD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digital piracy isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. The original isn't destroyed and an infinite amount of copies can be created digitally.
bronxblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the point. The creators of the underlying work aren't being compensated properly by the consumers. The "it's an infinite resource of 1s and 0s" is a red herring to distract from the fact people aren't paying for something they are consuming because they don't want to.
V4DD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well a quick Google tells me that HBO is owned by Time Warner, and time Warner is pulling in over a billion in NET Income. So if the creators of GoT arnt getting payed properly, maybe they can bring it up to their execs because the money is most certainly there.
bronxblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that money comes from people who pay for their services. You're asking those people to pay for those who don't pay but consume the product all the same.
I can tell this argument will go nowhere because you either don't want to, or can't, contemplate a world where people pay for goods and services they consume. So be it. Don't pay for whatever you want, it doesn't really matter to me. Just know you aren't a crusader for the righteousness of mankind; you're just a cheap person who doesn't want to pay for something they use.
theinsaneworld ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god damn you're an entitled little fuck.
maybe you start watching the other shows on hbo and like them??
DarthPlagueisTragedy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair. The rest of HBO is utter shit. It's a one show channel. That's why people hate the pay model.
immerc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm an entitled little fuck, you're a fascist little shit.
jarjay92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$25/month + $15/month TV box rental + $25/month cable subscription. Not practical for Canadians.
Jstbt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only available in the US
4DimensionalToilet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy each season to stream on Amazon. Not ideal, but its technically available.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digital prices are inflated and a horrible value.
Standard movie prices seem to be $20-$30 digitally. You get a movie restricted to some godawful service that doesn't let you download the file offline for backups or when you don't have data.
For the same $30, you can get the Blu-Ray filled with shitty ads for (next big movie) and piracy protections that don't play the movie if your television doesn't support it (HDCP is a cancer).
Meanwhile piracy is free, you get to keep the movie for whatever you want to do with it, and no ads for (next big movie).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Arzalis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness, it's not theft. It's copyright infringement.
People have been trying to equate it to theft for years, but it's not the same. Otherwise it'd just be called theft from a legal perspective.
Swolerosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with a lot of comments on this thread, but not yours. GoT on HBO is vertically integrated; meaning they do everything from the production to the marketing to actually showing their product. It's up to you if you think the exclusives like GoT are worth the package deal. In this situation, the quality of the show directly correlates with the amount of subscribers, as that's their sole income source. If you think the price is too steep, that's on you. If I look at Netflix and think Stranger Things looks cool, but i'm not buying Netflix because they don't sell me Stranger Things separately, then that's on me. Netflix paid for that show to be made, and they count on the subscriptions to keep making the show. It's an entirely different rationale than a movie studio that's just trying to price gauge movies and goes sue crazy.
uniqueguy263 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get HBO through Amazon or HBO Now
Kminardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fyi Hulu has an HBO add on option now to get GoT. Idk if it's up to date on episodes but it's sort of there.
gabrielcro23699 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People can't download steam games through torrents if they want to play online/multiplayer versions.. that's why no one pirates them. You can't fucking pirate Battlegrounds and still play on live servers.
Also, anything broadcasted live/streamed has no copyright rules in most countries including the US. You can live stream yourself watching any movie, listening to any song, and playing any game and it's legal. Copyright rules only apply to recorded videos, like Youtube
Also, it is incredibly difficult to sue an individual for torrenting copyrighted material. How did they get the proof/information that you were doing in the first place? By spying on you? Or sending you malware? Yea, you can't really legally do that. What about all the people torrenting shit from other countries? You can't even sue them. This is the Internet, copyright laws should not and cannot apply the same way as they used to. What if it's a 10 year old kid doing it? Is the FBI gonna raid and bust his ass?
HugAllYourFriends ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:48 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"where they want" especially, if you live outside the US you straight up cannot watch a lot of shows. Can't be losing them revenue if they were never making any here in the first place.
Jeff_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How they ca be so rude! ;)
EmeraldFlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
b-but stealing!
FirelordHeisenberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, I'll make sure to seed so people can steal from me too.
Wolf97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They say it like its a bad thing.
Hyro0o0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/LQO43O1.jpg
AdKim456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate Crunchyroll because of ads, and premium users get to watch episodes 1 week early. I ain't paying several dollars a month just for one series.
Thank you (can't name site due to fucking rules) for getting me past those bullshit.
CitricAcidFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These kids don't remember trying to defend occupied France from the superior logistically complicated air, land, and sea amphibious assault on the beaches of Normandy, only to have our boys buzzed down by the damn Krauts and their Maschinengewehr 42s.
_ANOMNOM_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, HBO, and Amazon, and I still have a hard time ever finding the movie I want to watch on stream.
Spend 10 minutes searching every streaming service I have, only to be disappointed and empty-handed. Yeah, I'm gonna pirate, but not for lack of trying to be legit.
Davethe3rd ยท 4277 points ยท Posted at 15:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Watch what they want, when they want, where they want..."
That is exactly what I want to do. And I'd be willing to pay for it if you offered it.
But since different streaming services offer different programs, and I'm not subscribing to like seven different services, I'm not paying for it until you guys figure this shit out.
SirApatosaurus ยท 2004 points ยท Posted at 16:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"help customers don't like bad business practices"
MaxNanasy ยท 763 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Now what regulations can we lobby for to support these practices?"
Shuriken66 ยท 580 points ยท Posted at 17:07:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about shutting down net neutrality?
lytes ยท 328 points ยท Posted at 17:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We got ourselves a winner! Please contact your local representatives and voice your concerns to keep the internet open and free.
Stonn ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 17:17:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are giving me mixed signals.
Shuriken66 ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 17:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Net neutrality needs to be saved unless you want to pay 20 dollars on top of the 60 dollar base bill just for media like Reddit, 20 more for gaming, 20 more for video streaming, and all that being throttled because you didn't cough up the extra 50 dollars for premium unthrottled internet.
HighSorcerer ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 17:52:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's going to be Premium Unthrottled Internet* for $59.99.
* Limit 2GB/mo.
Serinus ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be more like 50GB per month.
Of course 4k movies will be 20-50GB each. And wait until games get to 4k. Anyone use twitch.tv? That will be 4k some day.
Their end game is to implement caps that seem almost reasonable now, and then wait for new tech to start hitting those caps regularly. Then they'll start saying "but the infrastructure is so hard and expensive!"
At that point they offering exemptions for their own cable services (which also work through the same internet, by the way). Then they're back to their old cable TV model and they're happy.
Iveabandonedmyboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
50gb yeah good luck with that. I use like 50 gb just for one xbox game. I mean I can see it happening i America here in the UK idk if the sky/virgin would do that. Literally everyone downloads xbox/playstation games these days theyre would be an uproar if they tried to implement it here.
Serinus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So maybe they'll make it 200gb or 250 instead. And then it won't really kick in until 4k becomes the norm, and it'll just be "the price for 4k".
PM_ME_WAIT_DONT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There would be uproar in the US, too, we all download games. But in Canada, it's already reality.
AshenIntensity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:21 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the UK is on a slippery slope already with the internet by blocking certain types of porn.
sabasco_tauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck does this mean? 4k assets? You can play games natively at 4k and it doesn't require bigger game files because it isn't prerecorded content, it's all rendered by the engine
Serinus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be a small nuance that's incorrect, but the point stays the same. Game files are going to get bigger just like video.
WentoX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When in reality, the only infrastructure that's is difficult and expensive to deal with is the one throttling your internet.
Because it would literally cost them less to give everyone unlimited, they just wouldn't earn as much because they couldn't market the same product to different customers.
Shuriken66 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:55:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
planswillquintupleinpriceeverymonthafter6months
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spuriousblob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to change my font size to 'huge', take a screenshot, and irreparably scorch my retinas by pressing my phone into my face to read this. I'm not even mad
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easier to read than actual fine print on ads.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying I'd be a striminal, but I'd definitely join an underground internet service provider ring where my streaming wasn't being limited in order to watch free tv from various illegitimate tv sources.
I certainly wouldn't grow a mohawk and wear tight yet skimpy leather outfits in order to ride on the outside of poorly built and incredibly fuel inefficient vehicles in a dessert where we worship increasingly rare fossil fuels and drying up broadband connections.
We most definitely wouldn't travel state to state fighting explosive car battles and raiding various server locations just to get those fresh episodes of game of thrones and Rick and Morty.
That'd be silly, just charge me the 19.99 monthly streaming service charge for each show.
Shuriken66 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:04:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be more than happy to drive a fuel tank loaded car into Comcast HQ, no monthly fee needed.
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AFuckYou ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:18:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how it's going to work.
anal__disaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is.
staticjacket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:58:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[citation needed]
AFuckYou ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it won't, it's just a way to relate the problem to stupid people.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. It's actually quite like how it would work.
J_FROm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until there's no longer any free porn.
PAYING EXTRA FOR PORN, YOU GUYS.
Shuriken66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PETITION YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN. HELP STOP THESE COMPANYS. WE NEED FREE PORN.
TheGreyMage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also considering that the internet is now a utility, practically speaking, anything that damages it or impedes access is directly equivalent to impeding access to electricity, or fresh water.
It's a necessity for people & businesses, for infrastructure. Which means that in political terms, net neutrality is a pillar of democracy. Loosing it would take America a few steps closer to being a dictatorship.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. It would be like restricting access to the best technology in the world and only the richest people can afford it. Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
TheGreyMage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the atmosphere of corporate oligarchy the US already has, it would be practically identical to the serfdom of early medieval Europe.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it went much farther, it would be closer to North Korea.
staticjacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is any of that being implemented in any systematic way?
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like cable TV. It's not something that's 100% going to happen, but I can imagine it very well could down the road, if not immediately. Nothing bad could happen if the laws stayed in place, and it would help protect the future of the internet. If they are removed, they are gone, and the companies would fight nail and tooth to keep them gone if we ever tried to get them back. This could happen. It's more about what could happen. There's nothing set in stone on what would happen, just that the laws protect it. We can't lose it, not yet.
staticjacket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:53:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So my question is, instead of handing more power to the government, why don't we nullify non-compete contracts between local governments and ISPs and allow more competition? Then we can at least see what a free market in internet looks like and I have no doubt that when ISPs actually have to compete, that there is going to be at least one competitor who doesn't offer content packages, which makes the incentive to even do that pretty moot. Let's not forget that LTE and satellite internet is already available almost anywhere. I see NN as a solution looking for a problem, and if we keep hammering NN, the broadband market will just stagnate like the telecom industry. Still to this day, telephones have a lower quality audio, despite being a dedicated service vs internet/satellite communication, and it all comes down to FCC restrictions on the market. Also note that we could have had cell phones 40 years, but AT&T put the kibosh on that using the FCC.
I feel like everyone is arguing over this, without knowing that we're fighting a battle between two large industries for a funding model. It's a battle between ISPs and large consumers like Netflix to see who is going to foot the bill and the consumer is being propagandized to believe one or the other, because populism is a cancer and industry's special interests know how to play people like a fiddle.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competition is exactly what we need, and a good example of what would happen if there wasn't competition is what happened with Obamacare, being that one healthcare company would have Monopoly over the entire state, and could charge whatever they want. There was other options of course, but they wouldn't get the government funding for their healthcare, not the best example actually. Still. We don't want that happening with internet. That's why people want NN to stay, without fully understanding other options. Your right, populism is working. Very well actually. Not for us though.
staticjacket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, which to my point, cronies within government and corporate interest are exploiting populism, which is simply a common modality of populism. If you can convince other people to fight your battles for you, it's basically a free subsidy for a given entity's lobbyism cost. I think my main point is, that exclusion to competition is the root of these problems, including healthcare costs and I see solutions like NN to only embolden special interests in the end, given that it's is a conduit for buying favors in the future. On it's face, NN gives us the instinct that it's a good thing, but like every other movement couched consumer advocacy language, there's an ulterior motive which will end up being the tool of fascists in the future.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. Nothing's perfect, but NN is definitely a good solution, but not an end all be all.
staticjacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least, if people are going to champion NN, I would also like to see more acknowledgement of the root problem rather than band-aids that only ease the pain of the symptoms, because I'm rarely seeing it. Furthermore, if I mention this, people think I'm some sort of Comcast shill, when the truth of my position is much more complicated than that and in fact I'm putting the burden of cause on Comcast and their public sector cronies themselves =P
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waste your time writing a representative and get completely ignored because all our politicians are in the back pocket of greedy CEO's. Great idea bud!
anal__disaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a better idea?
stoner_97 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone promote this person.
Shuriken66 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile at cumcast
"Let's use this confidential, personal information customers have provided us with to create fake accounts to petition net neutrality laws online!"
Atanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goodbye
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there pardner I'm being ironic.
Atanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/AskOuija
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Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/endmylife
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 17:38:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like how we're killing casual dining. No, casual dining restaurants suck and we don't have money to waste on something that will probably suck.
cleavethebeav ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How in the fuck could you not want to go to Applebee's and pay them to microwave frozen food for you? Your generation is turrible.
Markovnikov_Rules ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 19:27:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid millennials, don't they know the most important part of growing up is going to mediocre restaurants and then yelling at your 17 year old waitress and the manager when she gets your order wrong?
puckslut ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i have a buddy that always insists on eating out. im not paying 30 bucks for a meal and one beer when i could get a fucking 30 rack of rolling rock and an extra large pizza or two for the same price
albatross-salesgirl ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like your generation understands the value of a dollar. Back in my day we'd go to Applebee's, catch a movie, buy an entire car, go to Epcot, and have over 300 channels of high quality worthless entertainment dictated by Cablor, the Mighty God of Cable, and by god we paid as much as possible fer it!*
*not really, we stole a lot of that stuff too...
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WayneKrane ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My coworker constantly begs me to go out after work for dinner and drinks. Once in a while is fine but a few times a week is way too much. And she wonders why she can't seem to get out of debt.
FilmMakingShitlord ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just did my meal prep for the week with my boyfriend yesterday. 7 days of meals and only $80of groceries. Why would I spend half of that on one meal at a restaruant?
WayneKrane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen, I see my coworkers spending all their money on Starbucks in the morning, Jimmy Johns for lunch and dinner/drinks after work. That's like $20-40 every single work day. I just can't wrap my head around why one would throw so much money away.
zizipoil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All this money spent to get fat and diabetic
TheGreyMage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been to any of those places, if I'm going out I don't want it to be casual. I want to go to an actual restaurant & have a meal that doesn't come out a box.
Plus, the impression I get from people like Jon Stewart, Trevor Noah, & Stephen Colbert is that these brands are shit. They're treated like running jokes.
ARIZaL_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ate at a buffalo wild wings once. The inside of a drumstick was raw and cold, and they couldn't get a basic hot buffalo wing right. Sorry for not eating your shit, and coming back for seconds. Your target demographic of people who eat frozen food designed to sit on a shelf for a month died with cold war bunkers.
StabbyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
casual dining restaurants don't suck, BWW and applebee's suck. i still go to tacos guaymas
TheGhostofSwitzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:02 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking dumb and wrong. College kids love Bdubs.
[deleted] ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 17:15:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 17:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AshTheGoblin ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/BlameMillennials
zXiNinja ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The perspective in that article is ridiculous lol. The wording is so aggressively negative, rather than analytical.
AliasUndercover ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:44:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the next thing is to make it mandatory to eat in a crappy place where they worry about flair once a week. End restaurant neutrality!
Hell, I'm a freaking Gen-Xer and that article pisses me off.
DirtieHarry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:54:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why sit there and feel shitty at Applebee's when I can get some tasty guac at Chipotle or Qdoba and peace out?
cravenspoon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LiterallyACunt ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I called DirectTV a couple years back asking if I could just buy Sunday Ticket. They told me no and that I need to buy one of their packages and add Sunday Ticket. Wtf? I am trying to give you guys money, just take it!! I'm not going to buy all these chanels that I will literally never watch. Now I just stream football on free websites after I was more than happy to pay for it.
Rahmulous ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair to DirecTV (even if they don't deserve it), that is likely not in their control. That stuff is all negotiated through lots of very powerful entities. DirecTV doesn't have sole discretion to sell someone else's product (in this case, the NFL) whenever and however they want. I'm sure they would have taken your money if they were legally allowed to.
LiterallyACunt ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 17:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. It's nothing against DirectTV specifically, just the whole industry's buisness model. It's completely out-dated.
Rahmulous ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:47:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear, though, there's plenty you can say against DirecTV. And Dish. And Comcast. And the other tv providers that I can't think of.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm only willing to give you $10 for this thing. Please let me pay you $10 for that specific thing."
"No, you have to pay us $50 and then pay us $10 to get the thing."
"Okay, but the thing is available for free elsewhere and I don't have $60 to spend on the thing."
"Good news! The thing is only $10 so you can totally afford it!"
"Fuck you I'm stealing it."
tr33beard ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flip the last two things and you have a good argument FOR piracy.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you retarded?
earnedmystripes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy Sunday Ticket online only even if you're not a Directv customer. I got it free a few seasons ago for buying a deluxe version of Madden 25. It's not worth it. Just use /r/nflstreams
slightly_illegal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're lucky. Have not been able to find a reliable stream for NFL games and I can't even get sunday ticket here.
furlonium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you really want Sunday Ticket you can do what I did for 2015 and 2016. I searched on DirecTV's website entering addresses until I found one that couldn't get DirecTV because it was an apartment building whose "landlord doesn't allow dishes" or some such thing.
Changed one of my credit card's mailing address to that address. Made sure I was signed up for paperless billing so they wouldn't get my statements.
Capital One took 24 hours for the change to go though. Go on DirecTV website and now you're eligible for Sunday Ticket To Go, their streaming service.
I'm a Pats fan and his noodly goodness provides 1080p streams with less lag than even DirecTV so I'm not doing Sunday Ticket this year.
Gameguru08 ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 16:59:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf, that's how you get monopoly.
Zolhungaj ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 17:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just have everyone license the same material (perhaps with limited exclusivity), the better service wins.
Excal2 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my ideal solution. Standardize the regulations about how to license content creation, force the licenses to be available for every service (at some point), and open the market to actual competition between content delivery services.
Limited exclusivity is totally fine, but the fact that they carve up all the content into different services is absurdly unappealing. Cable channel packages are a huge reason that people are dropping cable in the first place, but they turn around and keep trying the same old solutions.
JD-King ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so slimy how the packages are organised too. They could easily group it by watching habits. All your Hallmark and Lifetime shit in one package, Sports in another Spike on another. But noooooo. Base package has half the channels you like and a bunch you don't and the next package up has some other channels you like and a bunch you don't.
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except allowing the services to compete for exclusive licenses funnels money back in to the content creators, and supports innovation. Forcing licenses to open to all providers is anti-competitive. It reduces the value of the contacts, even short term exclusive ones. And reduces the need for the providers to compete. Everyone is offering the same thing. They'll be charging the same price. They have nothing novel to offer other than a user interface.
I get it, you want to see all the stuff and you want it all in one place. That would be nice. But that's not "free market." Because it actually limits the market's ability to compete. You would have less need to choose between providers.
Excal2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good point. Maybe a Steam style interface where I could compile my own library of streamed content that I have a license to watch.
So I subscribe to a few different services like Netflix, Hulu, and HBOGo, (think like Steam, Origin, and GOG), but I like one of their interfaces best so I can have a library of shows and movies in one spot even if they run through different services.
That way you're not limiting competition but you're still encouraging services to improve the user experience. Origin and UPlay and GOG really got their shit together in terms of offering a user experience that can rival Steam's (established player base / communities / friends lists notwithstanding), because they were getting crushed in sales.
EDIT: There are obvious technical challenges here but I think it would be do-able if there was a standard format for streaming content.
lightnsfw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gives them more money than when I download it for free.
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 17:50:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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clockedworks ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 18:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then the people who make it hard should get their shit together if they want to sell anything. Simple as that. Sometimes they do and then they get paid. Sometimes the block what I want to watch in my country on the paid platform that I use and don't even tell me where else I should watch it, so I end up looking for my own sources or just not watch their stuff. Depends on how much I want to see it. Either way they won't see my money if they don't offer me an easy way to give them money.
If possible I even trick their platforms to make me seem like I am from "the right" country so I can watch the stuff I want on the paid platform that I pay for. That's extra effort from my side to pay for what I watch. They should thank me for that. But when the paid platform that I use then starts putting effort into stopping me from doing even this, I really don't see why I should put in any more work to pay them.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LitterallyShakingOMG ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, rockstar does not lose a sale since manhunt couldnt be purchased to begin with
TriumphantTumbleweed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's difficult for the business doesn't mean you should expect the consumers to "understand".
I pay for Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Sling. I almost never use any of them because I have Kodi on my computer and phone and can do everything in 1 simple to use app.
Netflix is great just because it works well anywhere and everywhere, they just need a better way of showing more relevant content.
Hulu, Amazon, and Sling are all basically shit compared to using Kodi. So I really only use them as backups for when Kodi gives me issues.
If there was a "streaming service reseller" they could aggregate accounts together and design an application where from the consumer's perspective they are paying and browsing for 1 service. When you sign up for this service, you check the boxes of the services you want (ie. Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc) and this will determine your monthly bill, but once you actually start using the service everything will be part of 1 large combined library. This way all of these streaming services can still operate exactly the same as they already are. There are tons of logistics to go behind this, but I thing we will see a service in the very near future that offers something comparable.
goh13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:46:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is like saying Rockstar loses a sale for every poor gamer who can not afford their games. If they can not even buy it, how is a sale lost? A lost sale is someone who likes to buy open world games and can only buy one and he bought Skyrim and not GTA or someone who pre-ordered the game but due to new developments, canceled their pre-order.
turntupkittens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes when the same companies are actively plotting to increase prices and stop the progression of internet speed.
clockedworks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end goal of all those people is to sell me their product. If they can't manage to agree on some terms under which they work together to sell me their product it's their problem, not mine. I am here, willing to pay if given a reasonable possibility to do so. I'll however not move around half the globe to be in "the right place" just to pay them 10$.
That's a really bad example, as somebody already said below: Nobody in Australia was supposed to ever pay Rockstar for Manhunt, by law. So Rockstar doesn't lose a sale.
But I think the vast majority of geo locking is not about this kind of restriction and more about the "we build a super localized distribution system in the pre-internet era and now our industry is so used to it that the new possibilities of just releasing stuff global at the click of a mouse is completely incompatible with this whole mess we build".
Which is the industries problem, not the customers.
And in fairness to the industry: They are starting to slowly adapt. Netflix is just one example of that. I've started to pirate a lot a LOT less in the recent 5 to 10 years, simply because workable legal solutions have become available and it never was about those 10$ to begin with.
Spuik ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you want the product?
When you go to the market to get a pineapple and the vendor tells you he only accepts cash, you can tell him that it's a dumb business model and that he's gonna lose your business. If you proceed to take a pineapple and not pay because cash is too difficult for you, you are an asshole and probably shouldn't expect the guy to keep coming back with more pineapples.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pineapples are a physical product with limited supply, this comparison is idiotic and wrong. If I can't afford a pineapple, and I take one, the vendor has one less pineapple. If I can't afford a movie, so I download it for free, literally nothing changes.
Spuik ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't afford a movie, you should work towards improving that. When stealing is socially acceptable, lazy people have less incentive to create something of value to the society. So when you stole Lilo & Stitch last night, you literally caused an economic crisis.
Trumpopulos_Michael ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY. Because it's totally reasonable to expect someone to move to the United States to be allowed to pay for movies they can get for free online and for which there's literally no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay for and view from their own country. That's not totally fucking insane. Or anything.
And working to ensure people around the world don't get to see those movies or shows at all unless they do move is obviously the reasonable solution. /s
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I can't afford a movie,the IP owner refuses to take the money I'm trying to give him for a movie because I'm from the U.K., so I download it for free, literally nothing changes."[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao
Knabepicer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's totally different because it's copyright infringement instead of stealing, never mind the fact that the pineapple guy probably cares more about the loss of profit as opposed to what it's called.
Edit: Oh for fuck's sake, /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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formershitpeasant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you're too dumb to see the substantive difference between theft and "piracy" doesn't mean that the difference isn't there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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formershitpeasant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, just spew rhetorical bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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formershitpeasant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what equivocation is considering your entire debate strategy is equivocation. You're a joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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formershitpeasant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe your an overly contentious, arrogant tool that loves to condescend and I have no desire to waste my time trying to teach nuance to an imbecile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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formershitpeasant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You come off like an arrogant little shit who wants desperately for someone to see past his asshole exterior and see him for the genius he so desperately wishes he was. That's not going to happen because you're*, in reality, a contentious little prick that comes off as arrogant and condescending and will never learn anything of value because you think you're always right and everyone else is stupid. And, you've learned just enough of the English language to obfuscate any actual dialogue in the interest of convincing yourself you're right. Of course I didn't engage you in a discussion. It was always pointless. I just wanted to call you the moron you so clearly are.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what's 'totally different' here besides the name.
You don't want to put effort in to buy a product, therefore you steal the product instead. That is the comparison and it is perfectly applicable here.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading a movie is not the same as stealing a fucking pineapple, you absolute moron.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it not?
The equivalent is sneaking into a movie or concert without paying. Yeah, if you get caught, the charge won't be "theft," it will be "trespassing" or something, but society has agreed that it's wrong.
The mental gymnastics used in this thread to justify torrenting is crazy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright Infringement is not as bad as stealing is...
NYCSPARKLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the argument anyone is trying to make.
I'll even humor you, though, and still destroy your argument:
Disney will definitely care more if you infringe on their copyright of Mickey Mouse, then if you stole Mickey Mouse merchandise from Disney World.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when you download a movie?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so do we compare things when two thing are exactly the same?
I think you miss the entire point of comparisons. My comment clearly explains the similarities.
But next time I steal a pineapple I won't spend so much time trying to install it onto my computer, thanks for the heads up.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they're literally and objectively not comparable situations, I don't see where the confusion is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally and objectively my comparison. Why is it literally and objectively not possible?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use your brain and think about what happens when you steal a physical object vs what happens when you download a movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh. Anonymity. Yes, that means It's not illegal, and it isn't stealing! Thanks.
Although I could be wrong about guessing what point you're trying to make because you still haven't made a single argument to prove my comparison wrong.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it has nothing to do with anonymity. I refuse to spoon feed this to you like you are a child. What is the difference between downloading a movie and stealing a physical, tangible thing?
You are going to answer this question yourself because you are not the kind of person who listens to other people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude.. What is your point. You are not proving my comparison wrong whatsoever.
WOW, one things real and one thing is data. Is this seriously the point you are making? Are you for real?
Can you explain how that proves my comparison wrong?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to the vendor of a real product when you steal it? And what happens to the vendor of a digital product when you make a copy of it without paying?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you the fucking riddler? Read what I've wrote. Every sentence you make is a roundabout way of repeating what you've already said, and my answer is the same, and again and again you don't prove any of it wrong.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not answering my questions. Let me rephrase it.
Let's say you have one pineapple. I steal your pineapple. How many more pineapples are you able to sell?
Now let's say you have a digital movie. I copy your movie. How many more movies can you sell?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've answered it. Here and here.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you're dumber than I thought!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NYCSPARKLE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you sneak into a concert or movie for free? They're not losing a product there either.
anchpop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't consider sneaking into a concert stealing
NYCSPARKLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would you consider it? Completely legal?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ofcourse there is a difference, but they still lose profit. You are still stealing a product. It's not as if it's free to produce, market and broadcast the show. It makes a difference. And I don't see how your explanation makes any difference to the point I'm making, seems like a straw man to me..
They're not giving you the option to pay them if you want to, you are just taking the easy, free option because you want to. And its because you don't agree with their practices. Bullshit. If that is the case don't watch the show.
If the show is too compelling to avoid, buy their product.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, yes they do. You are enjoying everything about the product, without purchasing it. If I buy the product and you don't, I have spent money that I've earned to enjoy this product, and you are doing it for free, because you aren't paying for it - not because you don't have to - but because you don't want to.
No, they are. They produce it to make money. You watch it without paying a dime. They are not making money, and you are enjoying the thing they've invested into and many have worked hard on, for free... Because you want to, not because you have any right to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NYCSPARKLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I wasn't going to pay for a concert ticket anyway, so I'll just sneak in without paying" - that is the argument you're making, and it's wrong.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not. I don't understand why some of you people are so cripplingly retarded that you don't understand why digital products are different.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh thanks, this will be my go to line every time I steal something.
Just so happens to be pretty fucking illegal.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're repeating previous points. I think I'm finished now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, /u/JP_McGee is easily one of the stupidest people here on Reddit. Must work for Comcast or something.
kihadat ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not even read? Piracy is how you get net neutrality abolished.
LitterallyShakingOMG ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:31:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice try mpaa
spotify figured it out. so can they
helisexual ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No Jay-Z albums so I guess they really didn't.
TriggerWarning595 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artists make almost nothing from Spotify, most of their money comes from live performances, which can't be pirated.
TV shows don't have that luxury, and piracy bites directly into their profits
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify figured it out by sticking it to the artists. Just like the record labels.
KirklandKid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh yea baby I'd pay the shit out of a service that had ever show I could think of for streaming. Netflix was almost there then all the other guys decided they need to create their own exclusive version. Also, I've never "striminaled" a Netflix show.
mysticrudnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck
spotify is basically malware
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:38:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's my responsibility to prop up flawed and corrupt systems? Lol, OK, sure thing.
helisexual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that corrupt?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the corporations control the market, they control the terms, and they dictate those terms to consumers in an unfair way. They are not the creators, they are the middlemen. There is a reason that, in the rare case that media creators sell directly to consumers, they have none of these problems.
kippertie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Straw man. We understand that this content should be paid-for, and many of us are willing to do exactly that, except there's often no way to pay for it. The music industry understood this and moved to kill Napster and chums by providing decent streaming services for a monthly fee. The TV and movie industries are still stuck in their self-defeating little fiefdoms, where getting a new show on Netflix means having to remove a bunch of other content from a competing studio.
If people just boycotted the content entirely, the studios would simply conclude that it isn't popular, and will stop making it, then we all lose. By illegally consuming the content, we provide a strong signal that it is desirable, thus giving the studios an incentive to keep on making it. Unfortunately, they refuse to connect the dots and make their content universally accessible for a reasonable fee, and instead they try to crack-down on the illegal consumers.
kihadat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said. Of course it looks like the very clear warning that piracy is how we get net neutrality abolished is going in one ear and out the other on here.
Umarill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice wall of text, but tell me how I am supposed to pay for stuff that is not even available in my country? I pay for Netflix & Amazon Premium, yet tons of shows are not even available here in France.
Wanted to pay for DB Super, not a single anime site publishes them even though it's all over the US and in most of the Europe, because the rights are held by a TV channel, and they broadcast the dubbed version which is both awful and 50 episodes behind.
So stop being so self-centered, the world isn't the US, lots of us already pay for streaming services but we can't access a lot of stuff. People like you who think in black and white are a much bigger problem to the issue. Don't tell me "get a VPN/proxy", it's even more against term of services and I'm not gonna pay even more to access stuff I already pay for, especially since they regularly get figured out and banned.
The movie/TV industry is a decade behind, and blaming the customers is hilarious. Licensing is an issue because they want to and are greedy fucks that prefer fucking over their customers because a seller was willing to pay more, even if the show is on a fucking obscure TV channel with no rebroadcast and no way to watch it in the original language. There's no technical issues that forces them to act like this, just money, and I'm definitely not gonna pay more because they want more in their pocket when I already pay for everything.
Funny how I literally never have to torrent games or music anymore since we have two great platform in Steam and Spotify which I'm happy to pay for, but movies and TV show are still a mess. $$$
Zolhungaj ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the companies won't offer the product at a reasonable price (eg importing from overseas is too pricey), and it's a product that can be nondestructibly copied. Then obviously the company didn't want my money in the first place, since the most important aspect of selling something is providing a good product for the fitting amount of money.
I don't want free content (although that is fun too of course, just usually is of lower production quality), I want content for a reasonable price and availability.
By the way, if you didn't speak so demeaning you would be more popular.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NYCSPARKLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are laws around how and when you can exhibit movies and TV in various countries.
It's not just some simple problem that people in the entertainment industry have been unable to solve.
ForgingIron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not many people pirate music as opposed to other entertainment forms because of services like Youtube and Spotify where you can get it all easily and for free, albeit with ads.
Personally if I got to play a video game for free but was interrupted by ads every so often, I don't think I would mind it. Same with watching a movie or TV show: we already do that!
sigma914 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just end exclusivity. If you licence it to one company you're legally required to licence it to everyone else withing some short (couple of weeks?) timeframe, for at most the same price.
Once it's been licenced to one company it must be licenced for distribution to anyone who wants it for ~5 years after release.
Content producers get their money, you get lots of competition in the distribution space, consumers only need one or a small number of distribution service subscriptions.
Until something sensible like the above is implemented, ie a consumer centric system, I'm not giving the producers with bad licencing models a dime.
Remember- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People had the same contrarian holier than thou attitude when it came for music too. Guess what? The Music industry got its shit together. We have spotify, pandora, itunes is finally (less) shit. I don't pirate music at all anymore because I have convenient options to pay for it.
In fact I'm not a big tv show guy so I don't pirate movies/tv, so by all accounts im the person you're talking about in that entire rant you call a post. However you're just lazily shifting all of the blame from the company to the consumer, while complaining about the other side for doing the opposite. Reality is the fault lies in both the consumer and the provider, the provider being the one with a real opportunity to change.
Oh and blaming pirating for NN being in jeopardy is such a blatant stretch its unimaginable. Yes pirating is the reason why NN is in jepordy, has nothing to do with the very same providers you're defending wanting to eliminate competition like Netflix. They want NN gone so they can eliminate competition, force internet services to pay
ransombuyouts for faster speeds, throttled connections to websites they don't like, and to add new tiers of service for people to buy ("Buy our television package and get the fastest speeds to HBOgo, Netflix, and Hulu!").Your entire post reeks of corporate boot licking, desperate to paint telecoms and channel providers as the true victims when they are unwilling to take any change. They have the music industry as a model for what to do, they can do it or they can die.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, no.
First of all, this entire thread is about how if legal avenues to access media weren't shit, we wouldn't have to pirate. Don't call us greedy for allegedly consuming hours and hours of content without paying, as you put it.
An episode of a TV show airs, but is unavailable anywhere legally because the cable network that aired it has exclusivity rights. When somebody goes to download it, then people get mad and call it theft. If I could've, I would've fucking paid for it.
The fact of the matter is that the paid experience is a worse experience than the stolen one. DVDs? Previews, antipiracy warnings, the nuisance of physical media, copy protection, etc. Downloaded illegally? Hit fucking play.
What legal, corporate-scale players in this market can, yet often fail to do is create an experience better than the simple and free (yet illegal) way of downloading. Curated content, user libraries, streaming platforms, cross-device functionality, mobile apps and casting devices, tracking of your progress along a show, opportunities to engage in discussions, etc. are all ways to sell media to people that can't be fucking stolen. But no, it's greedt millenials faults yet again. Literally everything on this list is something Steam does with video games and Steam has probably prevented orders of magnitude more piracy than DRM ever has.
Furthermore, no amount of righteous, honest, Americanโข boycotting to make our voices heard will fix this. Misinformation exists at every turn, especially from veiled corporate interests, but also from government representatives, internet bloggers, and stupid Reddit posters like you and I. It is downright impossible to have a grassroots media boycott when the very thing you are boycotting is how you can best get the word out.
garrettmikesmith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is advocating "More piracy; it's the best!" We are simply giving people that are out of the loop a reason as to why it is happening. The part that you don't seem to get is that most of us are not wired to blindly accept the world for what it is.
Almost all crimes begin with a "need" (or "want") that isn't being met, so an illicit path to the same goal is constructed. We are looking at something like prohibition. There is a need for something, and the public has found an illicit path to it. In the case of online piracy, not only is the probability of being caught stupidly lowโreaching the goal is easier and often better than doing it the legal way, and the negative impact on specific individual people is diluted to an almost undetectable margin (kind of like wasting finite resources or pollution). You can't just set this scenario up and expect people not to do it. That would be stupid. The best way to fix the problem is by removing the need to obfuscate the law in the first place.
Now, I believe that killing net neutrality IS the answer that the industry has put forward. We have no idea what itโs going to be like, but with more control over a content delivery system, they should be able to funnel everything into one market better than they do now. However, thatโs wishful thinking, and most of us are still pissed off with this answer. Many would liken it to killing a mosquito with a hand grenade. We also have doubts about the collateral damage this is going to cause, and with good reason.
People are fighting back with piracy because itโs their only real way of saying โFuck Youโ to greedy corporations while generating very few negative side effects. So sure, go ahead and give us the typical lecture about being a model citizen, and how to grab your ankles when the media industry wants exclusivity and region locking.
Not me, thoughโfuck that. If itโs them versus pirates, Iโm siding with the pirates.
Randolpho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're pointing the finger at the wrong people. The greed is in entirely coming from the content owners, not the consumers. It's not greedy for consumers to want content as easily and cheaply as possible.
Arguments like yours propping up the greed of content providers are the reason net neutrality will go away, NOT piracy.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's greedy when you won't pay $8 a month for HBO GO but then go and torrent GOT.
Literally sacrifice one fucking sandwich a month and you can have everything those greedy content creators at Time Warner offer on demand anytime / anywhere.
Your argument is seriously flawed.
Randolpho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although I have no issue with the HBO service, I'll continue to use your example:
It isn't greedy on the part of the consumer when HBO refuses to distribute through anything other than HBO GO. There are a host of reasons completely unrelated to content that could cause somebody to not be willing to shell out 8 bucks a month for HBO GO. Quality of service, quality of platform, quality of the player, etc. And that's without even discussing how quickly the cost stacks up when you add in Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, CBS, Showtime, Starz, etc, etc, etc.
If HBO doesn't want their stuff pirated, they need to distribute their content through common channels that people want to use.
But then again, this is the whole reason content distribution was trust-busted away from content creation back in the old movie house days. Monopolistic behavior and greed on the part of the content producers.
Granted, the way they "fixed" the issue didn't do consumers much in the way of favors, but the idea is the same.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have to do anything. It's their business.
Randolpho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they want to remain in business, they need to cater to their consumers. If they try to force their consumers to conform to a business model their consumers do not want, the consumers will either boycott altogether, or pirate the content.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh they'll stay in business, don't worry.
Randolpho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given propensity for politicians to accept bribes to write protectionist legislation, I agree.
Hot4_TeaCha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it's pure greed. They just donโt value the content at the rates being charged for it. If the piracy options were off the table, they just wouldnโt be watching at all rather than paying the extortionate rates. These things are just meant to idly kill time, people donโt value idle time sinks that highly. If you take one away theyโll just find another time-sink. Theyโre not exactly hard to come by.
When I was in college I didnโt have a TV and streaming media was in its infancy. By the time I graduated I had basically kicked the habit of watching TV entirely and had no interest in paying for a cable subscription. Free access to my friendโs Netflix account while in Grad School was the only thing that had me give it a try again, and since I found a few shows I liked I was willing to subscribe once I got a job and started earning money.
If the content folks were super anal about preventing me from streaming off friendsโ accounts they wouldnโt have gotten a paying customer today, they would have had a potential customer never get into the habit of using their service who reads more books and plays more video games instead. Netflix and HBO both know this, which is why they donโt push the issue very aggressively. Theyโd rather you get hooked young and start paying once youโre earning and donโt need to rely as much on the largesse of friends and family.
Sure the business model may be difficult, but thatโs their problem and they should be the ones making the sacrifices to make it work. Not society at large or the broader culture. If entrenched interests didnโt lobby so hard to have an insanely restrictive legal climate around IP the business of streaming would have probably been easier, but thatโs the world they built for themselves.
losturtle1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol "cancer". Not like generalisation and overdramatization are issues at all, either.
Frostpride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but don't you understand? I want to subscribe to a single service for $10 a month that gives me every possible thing I would ever want to watch. Why is that so hard?
People are entitled assholes. The cost of subscribing to every single streaming service that has original content combined is less than your typical cable package. It's cheaper and easier than ever to legitimately access high quality content.
The shitstorm when net neutrality goes away and all of the streaming services and internet providers bump the prices for their stuff, and compartmentalize access is going to be legendary. People won't know how good they have it until it's gone.
tagged2high ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But my streaming entitlement!
I tend to get into arguments with my brother over this same thing. I pay for stuff, he doesn't. However, as he's gotten more stable income over the years he's started paying for content more and more. Free is great and all, but nothing is made for free - which includes the things you like and want to see more of.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tagged2high ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you live, but good streaming services are incredibly convenient. I can access it from any device I own - phone, PC, gaming console, tablet etc - from anywhere I can get internet access. For the price of basic cable I can subscribe to 3-4 of the most popular services with the most content. Netflix is even experimenting with content download so you can watch shows offline.
If that's not available in your country, take it up with the reasons why good services can't establish themselves there - laws, licensing, network infrastructure, etc. Anything else is simply a misunderstanding of what a streaming service is. It's content subscription, not ownership.
Koiq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are cancer and are clearly missing what everyone is saying. The IP licensing is the fucking issue. We are aware of how hard it is, that's what we want to change.
Randolpho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
Feature sets, quality, and even stability vary between the three major brands. For example, Amazon has a "skip back (about) 10 seconds" and a "skip forward 10 (or so) seconds" button. Hulu has a skip back button, and Netflix has nothing. If that were a feature I cared about, Amazon Prime would get my dollars.
But if I cared more about getting a 4k stream, Netflix would probably win. Or if I cared about sharing my account with my family but not having their viewing history mess up my own suggested viewing, for example, Netflix or Hulu would win, but Amazon would get nothing.
Mistikman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exclusivity agreements are bad for consumers. No one wants a single service to have literally everything while the rest do not.
What people want is real choice to access all their shows. There should be multiple streaming options that have almost all the shows available, so people can choose their streaming service based on quality of service provided, not because there is nowhere else to get a given show.
borkborkborko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you hand the task of streaming all content to a non-profit NGO.
Gameguru08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me know when you figure that out.
ELFAHBEHT_SOOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Google Music and Pandora. Both have different strengths and different weaknesses. I'm willing to pay for two different services as long as they're both really good at what they do. Not just because they have exclusive content.
Multiple competing services is a good thing, but having many extraneous services isn't beneficial if most of them only exist due to exclusivity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but on the other hand, so what?
Steam arguably has a monopoly, and it's pretty good for the consumer. You know what would suck, is if you had to install a different shop app (Uplay, Origin) for each developer. Just one shop app is all I can tolerate.
I consider monopolies absolutely necessary for the internet. Imagine of Google could only index some sites, and you had to go Yahoo to search others. Or if you had to install 20 different operating systems to use 20 different apps.
Sometimes, monopolies are good.
Gameguru08 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast. ISP's have a monopoly and look how great for the consumer they are.
Steam doesn't have a monopoly. And we do have to install Uplay, Blizzard, Origin, ect for certain games. Steam also competes with physical media.
Comcast.
I don't disagree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very easy to argue that Steam has a monopoly, because it basically does. You just described all the major pseudo-shop apps that pretend to but don't really compete with it and then added 'etc.'
Steam is basically the only major digital retailer for games. Some of the biggest publishers simply use their own shop apps for their own games. And, they're all a pain in the ass. Having Battlenet, Origin, and Uplay all installed is annoying. Where as only having steam installed is convenient. If every publisher did what Blizzard, EA, and Ubisoft do, it'd be a damn mess for consumers.
A completely different kind of monopoly. This is more like Microsoft or Google or any of the other real monopoly holders you deal with every day because the consumers collectively decided they don't want diversity in those product or service options, for obviously good reasons.
legone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Monopolies are good until they're not. And then you're fucked. That's what a monopoly is; there are no good monopolies, just ones that haven't fucked you yet.
I love Amazon currently, but I'd argue they have or soon will have a monopoly on online shopping. Their customer service is great right now, but once they can get away with axeing that, oh, they will. You think they have such low prices because they want to? It's to drive you away from competitors. There's no problem with that, that's generally how a business works, but a monopoly ends up with no competition. Bad news for consumers.
formershitpeasant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competition for online retailers can pop up at a moments notice. If an Amazon type monopoly started providing a shitty service, plenty of people would pay more to get their products from an alternative retailer.
legone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until Amazon is the only one with approval for drone usage. Or some other currently nonexistent leg up. They already spend a fuck ton on free shipping, have deals with carriers, and are beginning to build their own infrastructure. Not to mention if (when?) we lose net neutrality; they'll have the cash to make their service the only available.
Amazon is very much a physical company with a physical presence. They just bought Whole Foods. The market changes and someone is always going to try to dominate.
vazcj ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love this if the catalogue was the same outside of america. Since Netflix stopped watching through VPN it became shit and I quit my subscription.
geekdad ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I route all my traffic through a VPN (router level). This is scripted to change every 3 days to another countries' server. I have to drop the connection to watch Netflix.
I've been thinking about leaving Netflix and going back to pirating and plex. Dropping the connection is a Pita.
dardack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PLEX is so good. Love that shit I paid for a lifetime awhile ago. Just to support em.
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geekdad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plex Media Server... jesus I can't get away from Dreddit can I? <3
No I've won the game. I had some sound issues which is why DSTs are taking long. That's fixed now though, so soon(tm) I'll release another.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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geekdad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do indeed. Glad to hear I still have fans.
femanonette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for introducing me to Plex! It looks like it's going to solve a few problems I've been trying to solve for streaming things to all my devices. Hurrah!
JulioCesarSalad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why
UnlimitedOsprey ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the US catalog that good? I mean I live here and outside of the comedy specials and originals, it feels like netflix's catalog has become more and more shit over the last few years. Top shows leave constantly (Futurama is a recent one) to the point that we're left with a bunch of sitcoms, most of which I have on DVD from the early 2000s or are offered on similar services like Hulu which has a far better catalog for recent TV.
vazcj ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.finder.com/netflix-usa-vs-world-content Pretty much. In Sweden we can enjoy 30.51% of the US catalogue and still pay the same price.
Dissentient ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whooping 12%.
I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed.
yacheberryy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
34% for the UK feelsbad
znaszger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Denmark has 30% but Bolivia has 50%? I use to live in Bolivia, it's not exactly like they're swimming in money...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's way better than other catalogues.
uniqueguy263 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
British people get Rick and Morty
UnlimitedOsprey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is free on the Adult Swim website
uniqueguy263 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With ads tho
UnlimitedOsprey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't bother me. Better than paying for it through another service.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NoodlePeeper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I can't watch the Office.
Like, come on now.
flufanutterpeanut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My avocado toast cost too much LOL
It's not like my parents ate crazy weird foods like grapefruit and cottage cheese diets in the 80s or anything
DinahKarwrek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep it for my children's tablets. I've lost all interest in my subscription as well. I feel like I'm staring into a refrigerator full of food I don't want to eat.
borkborkborko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not enough.
I want all the content of all the torrent sites I use. Why would I ever use any paid service that offers me less than that?
Wackydude1234 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:12:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention "this item isn't available in your country yet" Then i'm just finding it somewhere else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any way to avoid this?
Excal2 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this so hard?
I'm not ruining your business, your business doesn't appeal to me. I will find what I want elsewhere until you're prepared to bring something to market that I actually fucking want.
InsanityRequiem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIโd rather pirate, and justify your bad business decisions, instead of being a proper consumer and boycotting.โ
You want bad business decisions to go away? Then suck it up and donโt watch the content.
Excal2 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:06:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't, but I'm not going to sit around all high and mighty and shit on people who do when they're not causing the problem.
The only content I pirate is video games that refuse to release demos, because I'm not spending that much money on a product from an industry with a long, long history of half-assing a project and releasing it at full price anyhow. Well, I will, but not without some assurance first.
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Knabepicer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:01:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, in regard to piracy a lot of people try and dance around the fact that they know they're doing something immoral but don't feel all that bad about it.
formershitpeasant ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:44:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because if someone pirates media that they otherwise would have just never consumed, nobody is harmed. No revenue is lost. No goods have to be replaced. The result of the piracy here is a win-neutral result and therefore optimal.
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formershitpeasant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. There are issues of cleanliness and the user experience of others. Nobody wants a crowded theater or pool. Pirated media that you otherwise wouldn't have paid for has ZERO negative effect on anyone or anything.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:21:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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barakokula31 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And completely free to reproduce.
BenUFOs_Mum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of things you can't afford, it doesn't mean you can just steal them. Look, I pirate stuff but I'm not gonna try and justify by saying I don't want to do it, of course you do. And the idea that you should be able to get access to every film and TV show for $20 a month is pretty ridiculous, do you have any idea how much it costs to make movies and TV shows? And I'm guessing you also want it as soon as it comes out as well
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InsanityRequiem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIโd rather be a criminal and justify bad business practices, than boycott.โ
Boycott and donโt watch.
Gemuese11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats the type of thing i never would have any gripes about pirating/watching on youtube (since tons of movies in that direction are on youtube in reasonable quality) since literally everybody involved in making the movie is dead. although admittedly i pirated bicycle thieves and the kid is still alive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people whose job it is to digitize those films so you can watch them on a modern device are definitely not dead.
zizipoil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree with your argument that obscure and old movies/documentaries are paradoxically preserved by piracy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FilmStruck or Fandor, man. There are options, you just aren't looking.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you're not going to find access to a magical library that contains everything you ever decide to watch on a whim. That's not how steaming works, and your analogy to Spotify and music streaming betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between the two.
Five or six years ago I would have agreed with you, but with the vast amount of affordable options for video streaming available today, it just sounds like you're deliberately setting an unreasonable standard to point to and say "I'd be happy to pay if someone offered this, but until then I'm going to keep pirating."
It's fine if you wanna pirate, but in the year 2017 you can't pirate and talk from your high horse.
Conqueror_of_Tubes ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That argument of you can't find a library with all the movies in it is horseshit. It exists, and has for decades. It's called usenet.
Peer to peer forced music into the Spotify/Apple Music model, and as a subscriber to Apple Music since it was available Im satisfied to get 99.995% of my music needs from there. Literally the only music I can't get on there I get from OCRemix.
Peer to peer will force television and or cinema into a similar model. Unless we lie down and let ISPs decide they're not a public utility. I'm happy to pay for my media consumption, but between
$20-300 a month for first run theatre, (which I'd happily pay $50 for a 24hr licence to watch at home instead of the creaky theatre in town that's nine weeks behind)
$140/mo for satellite (which is like 8mbps complete garbage)
$18 for Netflix because I have kids and need extra streams
$16 for Crave
$28 for HBO.
And 4-12 blurays a year depending mostly on Disney and Marvel (Disney lol) releases.
I pay enough of my goddamn income for media. I shamelessly have 56TB of media on my home Plex server. Come at me bro, I Fucking paid my share already.
All that for ~45 hours of screen time a month.
Never mind that I can't get a connection over 25mbps down. So that fourth stream bumps everybody to 720p and crave is insistent on its shit 13mbps 1080p so everyone on Netflix gets booted to 480.
Locally stored media is a blessing and thank god for Netflix letting me library up on the kids tablet, but content has to be kept up. My kid shouldn't be finding new content on YouTube in the background of children's content asking why it's not on Netflix yet.
All that, and I pay $18/mo for my apple family music sub. One service has it all, for me and my metal and vidya music, my wife's country and pop, the children's lullabies and Soundtracks, one service.
Don't pretend it's massively more complex.
I'd like to add:
I used to steal music, but now Apple Music is here, or google music, or Spotify.
I used to pirate video games, now I just buy them on steam.
For video, it's not IF but WHEN.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you can afford to stream them. Maybe you can't afford to be subscribed to Netflix, HBO, Fandor, & FilmStruck at the same time, but you can rotate one or two at a time like a lot of folks do. My point is that if you genuinely didn't want to pirate, you could find a way to make it work fairly easily.
definitelynotaspy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's cheaper to just get cable at this point, which is probably their goal, come to think of it.
If it's readily available and easy to stream, I'll happily pay for it. I have disposable income. But if I have to jump through a bunch of hoops, or if it's only available for a week, etc I'll just pirate it.
The market needs to cater to the consumer, not the other way around. Capitalism 101.
Djinger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought capitalism 101 was force out the opposition so the consumer has no choice, then raise prices until they don't like you, then fire the CEO and say sorry, rinse repeat?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really?
I torrent shit cuz its free, and dont pretend to use flimsy morality to justify me doing so .
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Piracy is a service problem"
I have access to a silly number of streaming services through family friends, several of which I actually pay for myself. Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, HBO GO, Showtime Anytime, Crunchyroll, I even pay for Youtube Red. If your show/movie isn't available on any of those, or using a more specified app with a comcast cable account login, I'm watching it on Kodi or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be cool to have enough money to throw right into the garbage. Particularly for YouTube Red. YouTube has become the most detestable thing I've come to know. You can listen to a playlist of songs that are 1:30 in length each, and still get a :30 second unskippable ad between each video. Just a few months ago it was one every few videos. Now it's relentless.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry I watch stuff on youtube? I used to pay for spotify, and Youtube Red/Google Play All Access are the same price. So I get all my music legally, no ads on youtube, and I can download videos to watch on the elliptical at my gym. That's worth ten bucks to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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the-magnificunt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have access to 3 streaming services that I pay for and 2 that family does, and I still stream illegally because some shows I want to watch just aren't available that way. And some I don't want to wait the day or week after (or 5 weeks, in one case!) to watch a particular show. I feel like people at tv studios don't realize that people like me exist. I'm more than happy to pay for content if only they'd sell it to me as soon as it's available.
iamaiamscat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you don't want any competition.. you want to pay for 1 service that encompasses all of your watching habits. Anyone who makes a new show will have to put it on that service, according to you.
That is certainly reasonable......
Lots42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My cable company offers -some- shows on demand.
They have commercials and poor sound quality.
Guess what the pirate versions do not have?
Jstbt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, because pirate streaming sites definitely have "advertising", just in a different form (endless popups, gauntlet of fake links, transparent overlays etc) and the sound is always hit or miss. It's actually a bit of a PIA to stream pirated content. The price and convenience compared to legit methods is what drives it. And that's saying a lot considering the hoops you have to jump through to get a pirated movie to stream. Some sites are better then others but it almost always takes some practice to learn how to navigate to the actual movie.
Lots42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like ad blocker and a little bit of luck allowed me to access the good pirate sites.
And no I am not sharing. I like my Reddit account, thank you very much.
Mistikman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly.
The tone of this image seems to want to put all 60% of millennials who pirate in prison, rather than looking at why we do what we do. I pay for netflix, I watch what I can on netflix. If what I want to watch isn't on netflix, I will get it some other way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO won't ever put their services on Netflix because they have their own distribution system that they wholly control. It's similar with a lot of content providers. You don't like the prices of cable, but you don't want to pay for the services you do use individually. Sure it would be nice if there were just a single streaming service with everything, but there are so many entrenched players that won't happen for a long time, and when it does, do you really think the company with a monopoly on distribution will be the best actor and keep prices at netflix levels? Monopolies are historically bad actors and bad for markets.
Your response sounds like you're just never going to pay because you don't have to. First the excuse was there were no options so pirating is fine (I get it, I used to say that too), now it's that there are too many options and its too expensive for all of them at once.
You can download and watch Netflix and Prime wherever and whenever you want, and on pretty much any mainstream device. What does this future where you will pay for content look like? You can keep kicking the 'it's just not good enough to deserve my money' can down the road forever.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for it. VPN = unlimited torrenting with no fear of the law.
CWSwapigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pirate too, but in trying to take the moral high ground, you're basically calling for a giant monopoly in the entertainment business. Not sure why you think that would serve customers well.
I agree that bundling is great (I'd rather pay for Netflix than 15 different shows individually), but to have every piece of content ever made to be offered in one bundle is totally impossible.
Doctor_Crunchwrap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want ESPN? Sure! But that means you'll have to take Hallmark, lifetime, nickelodeon, Nick Jr., TV land, TBS, TruTV, E!....
That's stuff doesn't happen in almost any other industry. Imagine going out to eat and ordering a steak, but in order to have your state, you also have to take an order of chicken wings, a burger, corn, two sodas, and a foot-long sandwich
klaq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eloc11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but really we just like free shit.
1sagas1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to advocate for a streaming monopoly? And that sounds more consumer friendly to you?
TheRealChrisIrvine ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what he is advocating. He is advocating an a la carte streaming model. He doesn't feel he should have to pay a large monthly fee for a bundle of shows he doesn't watch just so he can watch the one show he does want to watch.
InsanityRequiem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A streaming cartel, even worse. Want to know what he should advocate? Boycotting, not justification for bad business practices.
TheRealChrisIrvine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is being able to go to whichever network I want to and purchase whichever shows I want to purchase considered a cartel? I don't think I advocated for a system where the content creators all get together to artificially set the prices for their content.
InsanityRequiem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The content creators donโt get the ability to do what you say, the streaming providers do. Your want of the streaming providers to collude together to set prices to allow what is seen and how much you pay for it. Sure, Game of Thrones is no longer HBO exclusive, but if you wanna watch it on other streaming providers, you have to pay an extra $$$ a month to have access to non-HBO GoT streamers. Hulu shows? Free on Huluโs subscription steaming service, but costs $$$ individually on other services.
Thatโs what you are advocating.
TheRealChrisIrvine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm not, but thanks for telling me that I am I guess?
1sagas1 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's complaining he is paying for 7 different subscriptions. Breaking it up even more would add more subscriptions and almost certainly cost more. That doesn't sound like what he's talking about at all. He wants all the shows he wants under a single service and single subscription. That is rather impractical and uncompetitive.
cheo_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it works for music, there's Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon music etc. they don't have ALL the music, but they offer a selection that satisfies most of their customers. I wouldn't want one service to have a monopoly on all the shows, but instead a number services that offer a wider selection.
1sagas1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It works for music because music is far cheaper and less risky to produce than TV or movies. Artists don't have to seek outside funding before creating it, thus they largely keep the rights to their work and streaming rights can more easily be negotiated/shopped around. TVs and movies require much more capital investment and have to get it before they begin production, thus the companies want much more exclusivity and a larger portion of the rights and ownership. Musicians keep the ownership of their music, directors/producers/writers for TV and movies do not.
congelar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, you just invented "the cable package!"
PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? You don't want to pay 15 dollars a month for HBO, 8 for FX, 12 for HULU, 4 for CBS, 10 for Netflix, 9ish for Amazon, and 10 for YouTube?
AccidentalConception ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everyone agreeing with you is wrong, and here's why...
Cable was 'every show is here, buy this service to watch it all!' and people just went 'but I only watch these channels, why should I pay for them allโฝ'
You want it all in one place? it'll cost a load of money. you want to pay per channel you want? it'll cost a shit load of money.
ucffool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear there is a service where they bundle all the best content under one bill, allowing you to pay a single fee and get access to shows you want and even discover new things.
It's called Cable.
legone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why shouldn't you subsribe to different services? I have Netflix, Hulu, HBO Now, Google Play Music, and Dramafever.
That's $11.99, $11.99 (no ads), $14.99, $9.99 (honestly I should be using Spotify's $5 student subscription, but I like GPM), and $4.99. Thats $53.95 a month for pretty much everything I can watch AND listen to. Most people aren't watching Asian dramas, so that's under $50 a month for most people. How is that not reasonable? $50 a month for cable would be fine, and you don't even get that shit on demand.
Not to mention services like YouTube TV, which is a great cable alternative with DVR options, for $35 a month. And that $35 a month can be split between 6 different accounts.
You don't get to access millions of hours of content from the past hundred years, on demand, for $9.99 a month. How do you think new shit is gonna get made? Do you want TV shows to have to continue to rely on ad revenue based on live viewership? Because that's dying with cable. I'm sure I don't understand the intricacies of content funding, but money has to come from somewhere.
Are you asking for one service for everything for $50+ a month? Why would you want a monopoly that size? Then you run into the issue of paying for things you don't even need. Your bill is now higher because I need Korean dramas in my package. You think a service that contains everything would be optimized the way you want? I don't like the way Spotify works. So I pay for something else. I don't like Google Drive. I use Dropbox.
One streaming service is a horrible idea for so, so many reasons.
Zulous ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to watch all the seasons of GoT but each season is ยฃ12.99 and I don't want to pay for 6 seasons for that online. I would be willing to pay a small subscription fee to watch it on HBO online but it's not available for me to do so and I can't watch it without torrenting it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There will literally always be a reason not to pay for something.
haikubot-1911 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i luv u
Zulous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I get that but it's infuriating to spend a lot more money on something when it could be cheaper
NorseTikiBar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Why could it be cheaper? HBO doesn't use advertising to subsidize the cost of their programming like broadcast and other non-premium cable shows.
Zulous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO isn't available in the UK
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can't you find it in your heart to pay so the media execs won't starve to death? PLEASE someone think of the shareholders!
temporalarcheologist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why isn't there like a government owned streaming service that gives money directly to the content producers and kills Comcast?
Rahmulous ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, at least in America, we have this thing called freedom. What you'd be advocating for is a government-owned monopoly of all licenses. That's absolutely terrifying. It would give the government the power to censor all of the content, choose the price people pay, choose what people get to see. It'd basically be giving the FCC insane amounts of power.
Not to mention the fact that Comcast owns NBC. So you'd either have to force Comcast to give up its own product, or you still wouldn't have everything in one if you didn't force providers to give licensing.
temporalarcheologist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
couldn't it be publicly controlled like petition to get new additions to the service and treat it like an internet PBS only this time it has sesame Street instead of hbo
LawOfExcludedMiddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're fine with giving Comcast the power to censor all of the content, choose the price people pay, and choose what people get to see? Why can't we have both services, and let people choose which one to useโlet NBC choose whether or not to cooperate with the gov't service.
Rahmulous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when is Comcast the only provider in the United States? You could get DirecTV, Dish, Time Warner, AT&T, Charter, Cox, Verizon, CableVision, Mediacom... And those are just the bigger ones.
Comcast sucks. But it's not some fucking monopoly like the fearmongers of reddit would say. Stop spreading that stupidity.
Bac0n01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:14 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, those all exist. But, in reality, they're not really alternatives for most people if you cant get them in the first place.
PerogiXW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is any of what you just described more terrifying than Comcast doing literally all of those things?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Rahmulous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think the government should socialize tv media? That's outrageous. Comcast doesn't have close to the power the guy above is claiming they do.
Rahmulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that Comcast literally doesn't do any of those things? Seriously, if you truly believe that Comcast has that much power, you really need to broaden your knowledge. You're either ignorant or being hyperbolic, and I honestly don't know which.
Comcast does not have the power to force other companies to pet them license their products. Comcast cannot say that Fox must allow Comcast the right to stream the Simpsons, for example. Giving the government the sole power to force other companies to give them their product is ridiculous.
PerogiXW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who ever said anything about forcing? You're the only one who brought that up. The OP about a government run TV/streaming service doesn't "force" NBC to participate in it.
Rahmulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The entire point of this comment chain has been a discussion about all content being streamed in one place. It's a logical conclusion from discussion about a government run streaming program. Otherwise, a government run program would just be another Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. that all fight for exclusive licenses.
0xffeedd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had that debate in France in 2001.
Too French;DR: the current parasits on the revenue collection are too afraid and their lobby powerful.
lotsoquestions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of what Daisuki was. They were funded in part by the Japanese government.
They recently announced they're ending the service.
theinsaneworld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO "I want everything to work perfectly anytime I want."
No wonder people say this generation is entitled, because we are. 814 upvotes on that comment, God damn .
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
rms16270 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If your streaming service doesn't offer "coach", I will find a way to watch it. By any means necessary. I promise.
Netcob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped pirating games when services like steam made it actually easier and safer to buy them. I used spotify for a while which was fine too.
There's nothing like that for TV and movies yet. Also I live in Germany so thanks to licensing issues I have access to even fewer shows, also later and with German audio. It's just a shitty experience all around.
_Guinness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would only be willing to pay maybe $20/month to be able to watch movies at any point in the cycle. From theatrical release onward. I don't want to have to go to the theater to watch a movie. As phones become more and more obnoxiously used in the theaters I will attend less and less and just wait 2 months for the blu ray rip.
juicehead3311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yet stuff like youtube red is still barely bought :/
Ridley_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the plebs like me from non english speaking country who are greated by "due to licencing, this service/show isn't available in your region" at every fucking turn. God bless piracy, you don't want my money? Fucking fine by me.
I'll never forget the day when I subscribed to crunchyroll for the first time thinking "all these great shows whenever I want and in simulcast!" to quickly realize at my dismay that barely a third of their catalogue was available to me, and most of what was available was crap.
solepsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The music business figured it out already. Spotify et al are the tits, but there's no comparable video service yet.
GumdropGoober ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL, this is what people were asking for, forever. "I want an a la carte service where I just pick what I want to see."
Curious_Scorpio87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only have Netflix and hulu. I look for online uv codes for when I really want a movie in my collection for vudu.
Spinster444 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is how you get bundled streaming services, just like bundled cable channels.
I get your point and wish more stuff was available legally, but "just bundle everything together" has plenty of pitfalls
Stoner95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is a supply side problem, the demand for media isn't changing among the millenial demographic we're just slowly getting legal ways to consume it.
Game of Thrones wouldn't be the most pirated show of all time if it weren't aired on channels which are part of expensive TV packages. Here in the UK I'd need either Sky or NowTV to watch it legally. The only shows I'd watch on either are Game of Thrones and Westworld which for one hour a week only 5 months of the year is poor sell.
On the other hand when it comes to music Spotify is success because its most basic business model gives users access to almost any song they want whenever they want without a pay wall. Vast majority of their users would have just pirated music in the past.
matheverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that means you get to steal it instead?
EckhartsLadder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you purchase every movie you watch? They're surely all available in one way or another relatively easily.
Crackerpool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the only shows I stream illegally are ones that aren't available through streaming services. Or if it requires a cable subscription.
dragonblade629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I just wanna watch hockey and I'd pay for it. Problem is that even though the NHL has a streaming service, it has black outs for games with my home team so it's not worth much to me. I have to find illegal streams because they give me no option.
indoobitably ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just because you can't afford or are unwilling to pay for something doesn't mean you still deserve it. Wanna know why DMC exists and is becoming so obstructive? Because of people like you.
Davethe3rd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, Comcast!!
indoobitably ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hi worthless freeloader who thinks the world owes him everything
SpoonLion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same with food - if my local restaurants aren't going to offer me every different kind of food from every chef in town, why should I have to pay to eat there? I'm not paying for my food until they figure it out.
BananaPalmer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. A proper analogy would be if you had to pay for every fucking item on the menu just to eat the one thing you went there for.
Or, you had to pay a monthly fee for each restaurant you might want to eat at, no matter how few times you actually eat there, even if you only ever eat one of their menu items.
That's what dining would look like if restaurants followed the streaming / pay TV business model.
matheverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So then you get to steal the menu items you want?
P00pyd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These business want to suck capitalisms dick and then charge unfair market prices, then have the nerve to complain when the consequences hit. You reap what you sow and you played yourself, blockbuster is proof if you don't adapt what happens.
shutupjoey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you see it's not that simple because fuck you pay me.
karkovice1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do subscribe to 7 different services and can still never find what I want to watch. Make that shit easier and well stop finding online streams of them.
Dankmemes4lyf ยท 6145 points ยท Posted at 14:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proud striminal here ๐ช
INeedMoreCreativity ยท 1486 points ยท Posted at 16:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ถ*hip music*๐ถ
YOU WOULDN'T
STEAL A CAR
DOWNLOADING
PIRATED
FILMS
IS
STEALING
sidneydancoff ยท 676 points ยท Posted at 17:14:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna say if the plans of a 3d printed car can be downloaded, i'm 100% doing it. And maybe I've stolen a car.
[deleted] ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 17:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sweetestnectar ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 17:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THEN LET ME GET TO KNOW YOU DAMNIT
TarnishMyLove ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice try FBI man
uniqueguy263 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're gonna 9/11 this plane unless Morty Smith gets good grades in math
tomatoaway ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HI, YOU FUCKING CUNT, MY NAME IS TONY AND I ENJOY LONG WALKS ON THE BEACH YOU SICK FUCK
cerved ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:26:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS bro, I'm one season behind
The_Drazzle ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My man!
hamsterpotamia ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slow down!
TheGoodSauce ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!
MagicBus42 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking good!
Heckard ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
snaps
Cheshires_Shadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let go of my purse!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
You don't know me!
keboh ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 17:26:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think I'd prefer to pirate the 3D plans to print said car. Just because it would be so much h more poetic
BitStompr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:45:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think I'd prefer to pirate the 3D plans to a large ship. I think that would be even more poetic.
albatross-salesgirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pirate the 3D plans of a parrot and stream old sea shanties. I think that would be even more poetic.
keboh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooo yaaa. That's even better
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pirate plans for a 3d printer, then you can print printers while you print printers
Mgfcmcmcjydtjy3 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:40:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're in luck https://www.redbull.com/us-en/local-motors-strati-is-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-car
It's even open source (not sure if the newer vehicles are still open source, they were previously) http://jalopnik.com/5398864/local-motors-rally-fighter-the-first-ever-creative-commons-car
GumdropGoober ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just pirate it anyway.
Nes370 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Print a 3D printer using a 3D printer.
sidneydancoff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The universe is fractal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mfw in the future they tax the materials for 3d printers to subsidize shitty entrenched industries as usual
sidneydancoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:22:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind = Blown
thatcraniumguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, here ya go!
[deleted] ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 17:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a pizza
uhhh, fuck yeah i would
Howisthisaname ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 17:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get uhhhhhhhh byteless pizza?
CosmicSpaghetti ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:42:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only prefer my pizzas in lossless format.
RoyTheGeek ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn compressed pizzas
FunnyDoggo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep fried pizza sounds nice
MrShlash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:27:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm watching my bandwidth
Jorvik287 ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 17:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha its funny cause the music they used for that ad was itself stolen content
JayQue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:19:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sauce?
DirtieHarry ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sauced up.
JayQue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damnnnnn, thank you! I'm glad the musician got compensated and won in the end.
DirtieHarry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too. This type of oversight is pretty hilarious to me.
haikubot-1911 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:51:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too. This type
Of oversight is pretty
Hilarious to me.
ย
ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย - DirtieHarry
I'm a bot made by /u/Eight1911. I detect haiku.
JayQue ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
Jorvik287 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/5cmorf/til_that_the_music_used_in_the_you_wouldnt_steal/ I recall this post :-P
albatross-salesgirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Irony is what all the kids are doing these days. 10x more addictive than the marijuanas.
TheGreyMage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From who?
muzakx ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 18:27:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this playing in movie theaters and legal VHS and DVD movies.
I paid to get in, why the fuck am I forced to watch this?
[deleted] ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:39:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Because fuck the consumers, that's why!" -All big corporations
Lucradiste ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like being suspended for skipping school.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ah the good ole DRM on my software that makes it shit the bed while the pirate copy works flawlessly
muzakx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:53:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was literally unskippable on DVD.
Your comment also reminded me of the clusterfuck that was Windows Live.
Shutup_Guy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up.
tiger666 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:03:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That song was pirated iirc. Oh the irony.
TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:08:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, itโs making a copy of it. Stealing removes the original.
MrObvious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember Knock-off Nigel? Embarrassing
benster82 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta admit, that Mercedes sedan was pretty sweet. Wouldn't blame the guy for wanting to steal it.
snoopmammal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, the music from that ad is stolen from The Prodigy. The musician who made it ripped off their song to the note without their permission. On mobile so I can't give links but yeah, irony.
twentyafterfour ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:03:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man be careful, the hip music in that ad was used without permission and they got sued over it and lost. You should edit your comment if you don't want to get in trouble yourself.
Noneek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
Bassasaurous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife was in a cinema in the UK when they played that ad and this lad just shouted "I would if I could fucking download it".
TheGreyMage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hip? Nah sounds more like the cast of Stomp playing dubstep.
U8336Tea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't go to the toilet in a policeman's hat and then give it to his grieving widow and then steal it again.
LOLMUFFINLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's funny, because I have
Jenaxu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was super easy and gave me my own copy of the car, fuck yeah I would. The more accurate analogy is "you wouldn't steal a ride on the subway" but I guess that's not as catchy.
xdeadly_godx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY
KnownAnon67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
love how the music to that ad was stolen
Whitezombie65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't copy that floppy!
CrimsonWolfSage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ad pirated their music... kinda ironic...
IloveReddit84 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The owner of streaming site is stealing, not the watchers. Stopping websites does stop people from seeing pirated contents online.
It's like the gun traders: if you stop selling weapons(US do you read me?), there are no buyers and there's no shooting.
Anyway, fuck region locked content, whenever it applies. Viva EFF
LordSaladDinner ยท 1420 points ยท Posted at 15:17:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urgh, millennials, I've never committed such a heinous crime. I always give my card details to the polite man who emails me after I finish watching my films, the Prince of Abuwastan. I have it on good word from him that all of the money he takes goes directly to the movie companies, but I always pay him extra to help him ascend to the throne of his glorious nation. Perhaps you "millennials" should spend less time drinking chai lattes, and more time listening to me.
Sincerely,
Dr H.R. Luis (MSc ArSE)
Nighshade586 ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 16:28:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All my movies come from Dr. Tobaggan. MANTIS Tobaggan!
LordSaladDinner ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I missed a trick there eh?
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:16:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kalitarios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who was phone?
Ronald--Raygun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by, you've been struck by..
janceyb87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came for this joke. Wasnt disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made the virus video!
Rizzpooch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lethal Weapon V was a little hard to follow though
Nighshade586 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a masterpiece.
[deleted] ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 17:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how this comment is the only result from googling Abuwastan.
LordSaladDinner ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was confident that Abuwastan is not a nation, but my geography isnt all that great. Glad some thing productive came out of this comment thread.
PeptideBond007 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/excgarated/
LinxReadsThreads ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millennials are killing the bib jibbler industry! We have to Bob jibble as many bib jobbles as we can jib bibble!
Snowda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn strimilennials
ChaoticGoodCop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what the fuck, but I like it.
SnarkLobster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millennials complain how the 'Boomers have ruined the economy and the future then ignore the laws themselves to get free stuff.
No sympathy.
RIC454 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice copypasta.
Edit: tfw you get downvoted for saying it's copypasta, yet someone else gets upvoted. Man, fuck Reddit.
LordSaladDinner ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Er...
That was hand typed (I'm not joking, I was bored on the bus)
IronElephant ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and so, a new copypasta was born. Beautiful.
Metapoetic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should cross-post it to r/copypasta
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ArtoriasOfTheOnion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Looks as cancerous as I remember.
LordSaladDinner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt it a bit specific?
Metapoetic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't really matter. It's a wall of text and pretty entertaining.
LordSaladDinner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LordSaladDinner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with people downvoting you, especially as it is now a copypasta. Don't think that its fair people jump on you for suggesting something.
happybobjr ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 17:07:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay to pirate. I also pay to watch legally.
My problem isn't money, but the platform many services use.
Ibreathelotsofair ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 17:51:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix, I have prime and I have HBO Now.
I will watch your movie or show on one of those, and if it isn't there I'll watch it anyway. Your call studios.
happybobjr ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 17:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that it's $3 to rent from redbox and $15+ online, even though the latter is cheaper to implement....
Balmarog ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't a Redbox in my house. There is a computer and internet connection though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
basically lost sales opportunities because corporations would rather spend money to litigate than innovate
nynedragons ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absofuckinglutely. I understand people gotta eat but why the fuck is it that I can buy a physical copy of a book on Amazon for cheaper than the ebook?! You have no fucking overhead! It is a goddamned text file! Sell me that shit for $5 and we'll both be happy. Try to gouge me for $10 or above and I'm pirating the shit.
MJVerostek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously don't know how cheap industrial optical disc printers and pieces of shiny plastic are when deployed with repetitive labor in 3rd-world nations.
happybobjr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Versus the cost of hosting data and using bandwidth?
MJVerostek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the labor to maintain it, plus the regional licensing, plus the whole-sale versus per-unit licensing, plus...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the licensing structures are completely made up by the corporations trying to get more profit out of a rock basically - it's all made up nonsense
cubitoaequet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hosting and serving data is fucking expensive
happybobjr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hosting is practically nothing. A bluray is ~50gB. Let's say that they have 4 drive for raid. 200gB. + pre-made lower quality versions 600GB. Nah fam, that's about $40 at worst
cubitoaequet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said "and serving" because serving up that data is not "practically nothing". Also, you have to factor in volume of requests. A one time payment might not be too bad, paying that every month times x number of users starts to hurt.
AngryEnglishSarcast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:00:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you're forgetting about all the supporting services. You gotta have security, patching, redundant and failover architecture, then on the front-end you have to support a ton of different devices with different browsers and bandwidths. In terms of both engineers and hardware, hosting and serving can get pretty expensive.
happybobjr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, when you use big fancy words, it sounds terrible!
Except for the fact that it generally exists already for plenty of channels. CC's for example
AngryEnglishSarcast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it exists, doesn't mean it's cheap to run though.
happybobjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how are animefreak.tv and others still running?
AngryEnglishSarcast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With ads and at a loss presumably, I don't know their business model.
triplehelix_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there are a lot of ancillary costs around physical media as well, from the printing of the disc, the label, the cost of the case, the printed insert, the boxes they are shipped in, the shipping itself, warehousing fees in various locations, distribution costs, and all the associated man hours and computer/machinery costs and maintenance costs it takes to achieve the end result of the bluray on retail shelves across the country.
not to mention digital delivery systems are primarily fixed costs, where printed media takes a fair bit of prognostication, and you may very well end up with a substantial quantity of unsold media you won't recoup the costs on, or on the other end have customers who want your product that aren't able to purchase it do to lack of supply resulting in income that should have been realized, but is not.
MJVerostek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's not even mentioning the difference in cost of licensing different forms of media.
MJVerostek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he just got into a digital media discussion with a computer nerd who has worked for Fortune 100 companies.
Lynx436 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 15 dollars includes the convenience fee, obviously.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh sweet summer child
the convenience fee is never included in the price
MrBokbagok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i cannot understand why the online rental fee is so fucking high. you'd think one would a high price would drive so many customers away that its not worth it
happybobjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low cost to host, so there is no loss. shrug
IronInforcersecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, you'd think that since they can afford to offer lower prices without dipping below the profit margin of their competitors they'd just do that and steal all the customers. And everyone would be better off for it.
MrBokbagok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean the loss would be estimated potential profits vs actual profits earned. you'd be throwing free money away every quarter as a company.
trireme32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Convenience fee.
happybobjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm
antiname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if they just discontinued Redbox in your country.
Lovlace_Valentino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you people paying $15 to rent a movie? It's 3.99 for HD rental on Vudu (4.99 if it's a new release I think). It's so much easier and higher quality I never pirate anymore. Not... that I did to begin with...
Redtox ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I go for convenience. If it's easier to pirate something than watch it legally and pay for it, then why would I pay?
itsfuckingeric ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's my thing. like i dont have cable and i like football but i can't just pay the nfl and watch games live cause the only service they have blacks out games until later. fuck that, ill just stream it for free. and its not even the 5$ price tag on the rentals thats the problem, its the insane cable bills and crappy service. an ad blocker deals with the inconvenience of streaming, nothing you can do about on demand being shit tho.
Redtox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd happily watch Rick and Morty on Adult Swim's website and give them the Ad Revenue, but their stupid player doesn't work on my phone.
itsfuckingeric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well that and they're getting shitty about actually airing the episodes....
DirtieHarry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strictly convenience for me too. Its not our fault for them not properly utilizing technology to make their product accessible.
katubug ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boyfriend and I have Netflix, Hulu, and Prime Now.
Even still, I was prepared to pay the Playstation Network however much it cost to rent a Studio Ghibli film. Except they don't have any. None.
In fact, no online places I have access to do. Because they don't really care about online access.
Hell, my local physical video store didn't have anything except Spirited Away, which I already own.
MIYAZAKI JUST TAKE MY MONEY YOU OLD CODGER. Yes, one day I'll buy all your fucking $30 DVDs but for now just please let my broke ass rent them????
crazyprsn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they don't understand. No, I will not pay for a bunch of bullshit channels to watch one show that I'm interested in. I'll still watch it though.
Shame you won't just sell me what I'm wanting to buy.Anti consumerismwill bitehas bitten you old fucks in the ass.I would buy comedy Central and cartoon Network as stand alone channels in a heartbeat.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They will. You just don't want to pay.
I can't think of a single recent series that hasn't had a season pass on iTunes/Google Play/Amazon.
crazyprsn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? You're right about that. And I do pay for the TV shows that I can't get through Netflix and Hulu so long as I can find them. Paying per show is a pretty new service, so my argument while still value is starting to lose ground. Rightly.
Edit: looking further into it.. I can't find any shows that aren't available to buy streaming now. I take back what I said. It seems like the old guys have finally caught up with the 21st century.
Too bad their initial resistance is costing them. The widespread means to pirate movies and shows probably wouldn't be so strong if they had embraced the technologies from the beginning instead of trying to force cable TV to remain relevant.
Watertor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having to buy every show you want to watch ever is a horrendous business model. We don't want to own the shows we want to watch them once, maybe a few times. But eventually that's it. So paying $50+ for one show x every show you want to ever watch is a ridiculously tall order. I'd rather spend more of that in the long run but spread out over monthly payments with the added benefit of having shows I'm only mildly interested in but can still consume once I've had my fill of the shows I really needed to watch.
Cable is antiquated. Buying every show you ever want to watch isn't antiquated it's just a ludicrous counter - like Babylon 5 is $100 for the full series. That's a year of paying $8 a month for a streaming service. For one show. It's just not viable.
crazyprsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the reason it doesn't bother me too much is that I don't consume that much. I mostly play games, and am rarely interested in new shows that come out. If I'm in to one, I can usually afford to buy it digitally. I can see how it would get daunting if you consume a lot.
Sirspen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American Gods is only on Starz. It's not available on any of the above.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, also if it is not available to stream on Netflix but they'll mail me a dvd instead... I'll just download a copy elsewhere and watch it immediately instead of waiting for the mailman.
TheRedmanCometh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair netflix and co only have so much money to buy licensing. I'm kind of glad fox has a stake in hulu now, as I'm sure they'll get special licensure treatment.
depressiown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, and I don't mind paying for that content whatsoever. It's still cheaper than cable TV in total by far and offers programming at my own convenience. The platform is just ridiculous superior.
non_clever_username ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the prices.
I mean I get new releases being more, but 4 or 5 bucks for a 24 hour rental of a 10+ year old movie? Really? Did you learn nothing from Blockbuster crashing?
degenererad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My problem is money. If i were rich, i would pay. But im pretty broke, so i pay for what im able and then steal shit i wouldnt pay for either way
Trumpopulos_Michael ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. I pay extra for fast enough service to stream and download in a rural area where it's very difficult to get and I pay extra on top of that for a VPN to torrent through. The money is not the problem.
Take Sentai for example. It's good enough to have earned my money, I would be distraught if Sentai was cancelled and I want to support the franchise, and so I've been buying up the legal translations as they're released - I'm not gonna use them though. Those DVD's are staying sealed. I already have every Sentai ever in convenient and easily transportable files that can play on almost any system.
The inconvenience of dealing with the DVD menu system alone makes files on a drive more appealing by default, forget the fact I can put it on phones, save it to multiple places to use at my convenience and even keep a backup so I don't have to be careful with the physical storage like I would with a DVD. Not to mention using whatever player I want and all the features that come with them. What incentive is there to pay for such an inferior product when the files are so readily available to me? The same holds true for most shows I watch, except that most aren't good enough to warrant spending the amounts of money that it costs for physical media.
I have a Netflix subscription which I barely use and I buy DVD's which stay in plastic, purely for moral reasons. If a show or movie isn't on Netflix and isn't good enough for me to plan to buy the DVD, under the current system they straight up will not get my money. I know for a fact that it's possible to aggregate media in a way that's more convenient than piracy and worth paying for; Steam did it flawlessly - if you'd have told me a year or two before I started using Steam that I'd happily pay money for games I could get for free on a system that amounts to DRM, I'd have laughed at you, but they made it more convenient than I could have ever imagined.
It is not my fault if the TV and movie industries can't get with the times and offer me a product that's in any way comparable to what I can get for free. I'm not trying to not pay them, it's just that paying them not only causes me to lose money, but also makes my viewing experience harder and more annoying, rather than easier and more pleasant, and so I have literally no incentive at all to do so.
happybobjr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know!
I am am avid user of Patreon. If there is someone creating something I use or enjoy, I donate monthly or per preformance. I really hope that some shows will start doing this model.
I love Rick and Morty and wish I could directly support it. Same with many other shows. Get the right amount of pledge and you'd likely be able to revive shows like they did with Samurai Jack. For example, the avatar franchise has a massive fan base, but they didn't have the funding to continue. Let us support them and throw away the cable companies.
happybobjr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know!
I am am avid user of Patreon. If there is someone creating something I use or enjoy, I donate monthly or per preformance. I really hope that some shows will start doing this model.
I love Rick and Morty and wish I could directly support it. Same with many other shows. Get the right amount of pledge and you'd likely be able to revive shows like they did with Samurai Jack. For example, the avatar franchise has a massive fan base, but they didn't have the funding to continue. Let us support them and throw away the cable companies.
Avatar: new episodes averaged 3.1ย million viewers each If 1/10 people payed $1 per episode, they'd have $300k plus the ad revenue. I don't have experience, but id think that's plenty per episode.
SafariMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Avatar: TLA cost ~$1 million per episode. You'd need a little more than $300k to make it remotely viable.
happybobjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are entirely funded with ad revenue through cable companies + some on merchandise.
The extra coming from user support + new platform ad revenue should be enough to break away from the cable
freemefromyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, I pirate, but I have a Netflix account and I pay a assfucking fee of $90/mo for internet so fuck Hulu, bell, rogers and TELUS and their network ties that all want a cut.
garrytheninja ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop right there, striminal scum!
PMmeASmallLoanOf1Mil ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pay the court a fine or serve your sentence, Your stolen goods are now forfeit
kapawolf ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've violated my mother.
Echemythia666 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:06:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's get to bashing butts!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:17:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As well as deeeez nuts
Lyall1101 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll bang, okay?
LaggyLefty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your ass
GooseNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, EVERYONE has violated your mother.
DarkenedSonata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to Reddit, this is very much correct.
DarkenedSonata ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD!
Bad-Brains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a bite out of strime
FantasticMrCroc ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Striminal" is the name the Man has foisted on us. We in the know insist on "Creamer".
krillkrillin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:18:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is no one else reading this!
charlesentertainment ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:57:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i can't read i'm too busy creamin and strimin
PaulsEggo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the internet really is a series of tubes, them I'm happy to say that I cream out my stream hole.
TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, fuck, this needs to be up near the top!
satanicpuppy ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welllll, on the one hand, you're fucking the content providers. High quality content can't be made cheap, so, what you're doing is screwing the skilled professionals who make it possible, and that sucks.
On the other hand, there is currently no way to monetize good content without spending 80% of your monetizing shit you wouldn't watch if they were paying you, so I have trouble assigning blame in this situation. Free market? The black market is the underside of the free market, the place where shit gets sold when the legal price is unacceptable.
Wanna stop piracy? Make your product available for a reasonable price.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 255 points ยท Posted at 17:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/GabeNewellBellevue knows what's up:
TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:16:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously this.
Also a factor is reasonable pricing. I think another factor contributing to this is the huge decline in the middle class.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:46:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. People don't have as much disposable income because real wages haven't gone up in years and most economic growth has gone to the top 1%. And one of the first things that gets cut is entertainment spending.
tdring16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I work for charter (one of the big four telcos in the us and price is the number 1 factor behind every sale
I could offer someone a TV package for 20 bucks more then their current rate and they won't because Kodi and fire sticks exist
People want to support content creators but it's expensive If it were up to me they should just drop dvd prices instead
nynedragons ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's both availability and pricing (aka under $10 a month and no ads).
People like Netflix because they have a pleasing UI/UX and it is set at a fair price with no annoying fucking ads for dish detergent or some shit. People like steam because they have stuff like your games being tied to your acct forever, and generous refund policies.
It really boils down to how well a merchant understands their customers. The pirates are always gonna pirate, there is nothing you can do about that. The people that pirate because it's the easier alternative will happily move to a different platform if it is worth it.
GumdropGoober ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If I build a better DRM, people will beg to have their games on it, lol."
crashsuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that pirates spend more than non-pirates. Here are links to reports on two studies, one in the UK in 2012, and another in Sweden in 2016, showing pirates spending more money than non-pirates.
https://torrentfreak.com/0-more-on-content-than-honest-consumers-130510/
https://torrentfreak.com/internet-pirates-more-likely-to-pay-than-law-abiding-counterparts-161112/
CWSwapigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the rise of password sharing, within the same region, for products like Netflix, Hulu, and HBO, this argument is really falling flat. In those cases you're getting the exact same product as a paying customer.
fightlinker ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep because Netflix and HBO are clearly failing /s
The_Jmoney_420 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And with many of those services, you cannot stream from unlimited devices with one account.
Netflix for instance, can only have 2 streams going at the same time with a base account. Adding more costs money. They are not losing money on password sharing... someone is still paying for the stream.
And it is not like there is some easy solution even if you wanted to stop account sharing... locking accounts to certain IMEIs or IPs would not work for people who use a multitude of devices and travel.
CWSwapigans ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is all true (well, except for it not costing them money which may be true, but is highly debatable). None of it changes that this password sharing completely destroys the above argument that people will pay if you give them a service they like.
xRetry2x ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that people ARE paying, then sharing. This is exactly the same as when my friends and I swapped VHS' back before internet piracy was a thing. The companies with this "problem" understand and allow it.
I listen to a lot of music. I have Google Music/YouTube Red and Spotify. Spotify isn't ok with the sharing, so they don't let you. That's OK, I'm willing to pay for it anyway.
I watch very little TV. I have a Netflix account I share (kids shows), an HBO account I share (GoT, Last Week Tonight, Westworld) and an Amazon Video account I only use to buy "Adam Ruins Everything" episodes for my wife.
Netflix knows that they're going to get more money by letting us share, since I probably wouldn't pay for the service for just myself. Sure, they'd love it if they got paid for every set of eyeballs to view their content individually, but they'll settle for my friend and I going halvesies on the more devices plan.
thesirblondie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is clearly fine with password sharing since you can have multiple profiles on a single account. They even have plans that allow for more simultaneous watchers.
CWSwapigans ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They allow sharing with "other members of the household". They appear to be fine with sharing in general, but maybe only because they can't stop it. Their terms don't allow for it.
ItsDonut ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man honestly though maybe I'm lazy but I like having a singular site that streams everything I want to watch. I don't have to bother with Netflix, HBO go, Hulu, crunchy roll, whatever other streaming site. I just have it all in one convenient place. If I could pay for something like that and it was a good service I would but the companies that own the rights to shows all want to make their own streaming service and it's getting fragmented and frustrating to deal with.
rob10s2 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yo isn't russia in asia
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia is both in Europe and Asia.
rob10s2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh ok
kaian-a-coel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the population is on the european side though.
fightlinker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:24:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and Ukraine
Shoggoththe12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But not Poland, Poland stronk even if cannot into space
franzwithbenefits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice one, read this to my mom she had a laugh too ๐
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:17:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sheffield199 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why not release them at the same time? Genuine question, I'd love to know the reason, because that seems like an avoidable problem.
stanfan114 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing. The stars of big Hollywood movies go on a marketing tour wherever the movie is opening. They can't be at a premier in New York and 50 other cities around the world at the same time. Movie stars get asses in seats and without the talk shows and news segments where the stars get interviewed about the film, again the box office take suffers.
lolol42 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:39:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems dumb. Who goes to a movie just because Tom Cruise came to their country?
thesirblondie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not for you or any other regular consumer. It's for press outlets so that they can interview the cast and create more advertisement for the movie.
sheffield199 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reasonable explanation. Is the gap that big that the dvd starts to be released in US before the film has been released in other countries?
stanfan114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends I guess on the movie. If the studio knows they have a bad movie but are contractually obligated to play it in theaters, they may just open it in like 100 theaters for a weekend and it goes right to video. The movie The Midnight Meat Train is an example of this.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Different holidays. Different laws around when a movie can be shown in theaters vs downloaded (France) is the big culprit there. China has quotas and calendar limitations of foreign movies.
I'm in the industry and am generally negative on torrenting. You can get most movies or tv shows for $5 or less on demand. It's not a pricing or a distribution problem. It's a people not wanting to spend money on something they're only iffy about seeing in theaters or subscribing to a service for.
non_clever_username ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is to some extent. Content producers and content consumers have a vastly different opinions of what something is worth. How you reconcile that, I have no idea, but I think having things hit streaming services instantly or way sooner would help a bunch.
People paying for Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon and whatever else get irritated when a studio wants to charge them to pay an extra 5 bucks for a movie on top of the 10-100+ bucks a month they might be paying for various streaming services plus maybe cable/satellite.
Is that fair? Probably not. Still, maybe if you had instant access to and could watch say 5 new releases per month or whatever, that would help. The average family probably doesn't really want to see more than a half dozen of the new movies that come out every month anyway.
Lynx436 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam stopped me from pirating games, I even have games that I bought and have never played....
satanicpuppy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! People have an emotional attachment to content they like, but they resent having a bunch of other shit bundled with that.
This is a lesson the cable guys are going to learn to their immense sorrow.
Serinus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is pretty high quality content and I pay for that just fine.
Of course plenty of people can't get HBO go in their country, such as Canada.
allpumpnolove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not fucking content providers. If actors only make 1 million dollars for a movie instead of 5 or 10, I couldn't care less.
The world is full of people who will work for less, content providers choosing not to employ them is not my problem.
GoAheadAndH8Me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get rid of all DRM and I'll buy. But I'll never pay for DRM. I'd steal a physical copy first.
KryptoniteNixon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't you just buy the content you want
satanicpuppy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I used to be in newspapers (pause for derisive laughter).
Same problem. 80% of the content is shit, and 20% is amazing stuff you'd gladly pay for...But not pay the full subscription price. If you want Game of Thrones, you have to get all of HBO, which includes all of premium cable, and holy fuck that batman!
But you can't buy one episode, and if you buy the season, that's $25 bucks and you have to wait until it's available. Not cool.
My thought on this, was some kind of microtransaction based browser model. Watch/read whatever you like, and they bill you on the fly. Watch GOT Season 1 Episode 1 100 times, and they charge you per view. It's pretty much what everyone wants.
Still, it will involve a whole infrastructure, and tons of negotiation with the IP holders, and those bastards always fight for the best deal for their IP, and try to bundle in shit no one wants with the really good stuff, and it's going to be a fucking nightmare.
StabbyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, no. the content providers are already screwing the skilled professionals, you're just screwing the content providers (who refuse to supply content in any reasonable way)
themangodess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're fucking people over because their model sucks and somehow the broke guy sitting at home watching a movie on some ad-infested streaming site is to blame. Maybe that makes sense for you..
jdog2590 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody give this man Gold.
grokforpay ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:13:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking forward to the NFL starting again. Can't wait to be a striminal again!
theghostofme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might even call me a Smooth Striminal.
Distilled_Dissent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE STRIME! ๐
CeasarAugustusIII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or is it strobber? ๐ค
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the act of watching a streamed feed is not illegal in the USA. We arenโt pirating the signal, only โlisteningโ to pirate radio.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah itโs the upload that will Kill you.
dioandkskd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know how to pirate. Its not that hard to do. And frankly i don't know many people who don't. You know why i pirate though? Its because radio is the same 5 crap songs over and over, you cant watch tv over the air anymore, and the cost of watching a movie skyrocketed after the "writers strike" which i still believe was some lousy scheme to find an excuse to artificially inflate theater prices (which made no sense to begin with) and surprise surprise, they never dropped back down after the "strike". Most of the people i know that pirate that crap are under 30. You know why? Because the cost of entertainment has become prohibitively expensive for people who are starting out in life, starting a family, paying for a hugely expensive college degree, paying for rising costs of insurance, rising costs of food, rising costs of housing, and all the same some dumbshits still think its important to have a rock on their finger and walk down the aisle in a novelty dress that symbolizes the virginity and innocence and wealth they definitely don't have. Putting all that together and yea we illegally download crap because all the companies are clawing and scraping for any dime we have while simultaneously refusing to give us much to play with in the first place. How does a company increase its value when they've already taken all they can take from consumers? When theres nothing left?? There may not be a monarchy in this country but you could have fooled me. The kings and queens of this nation are the ladys and lords of companies like apple, comcast, walmart, newscorp, and so on... they're all just playing a game while we live in the shit and piss of fleabottom. Then they have the audacity to get pissed that we steal what we cant have? Thats not how it works. Bitch we pay the iron price.
...yes ive been watching a lot of GOT lately... FOR FREE BITCHES.
wm210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
blessed
falcon_jab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only download the occasional episode that isn't showing for a few days over here in Britainland
I'm a downloccasionabritinal
TehTenyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth striminal here..!
BitchingRestFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been struck by a smooth striminal.
xTarheelsUNCx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth striminal
titopk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth Striminal AHU!!!
MonsieurAuContraire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Striminal Stronk!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cmooth Striminal.
songoku9001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth Striminal
goldfishpaws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the UK they tried a campaign for โKnock-off Nigel", you'd like that, too.
https://youtu.be/4TbqBPmInjQ
Every bit as effective
WhatIsPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my cold dead hands!
The-Prophet-Muhammad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does it feel to be 60% of a 69? AMA?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before my only crime was wanting to watch stuff, now I want to see the author of this dead.
There going to make me a killinimal
rpikulik ยท 548 points ยท Posted at 15:16:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, FBI.
[deleted] ยท 205 points ยท Posted at 16:34:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SUDDEN_DEAF ยท 287 points ยท Posted at 16:56:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloaded illegal materials or downloaded materials illegally?
[deleted] ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 16:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shuriken66 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if you just stream it? What if it's uncopyrighted illegal material?
UnwiseSudai ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 18:02:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To stream something you have to download it. You're just downloading it as you watch it.
Shuriken66 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darn.
OnePieceTwoPiece ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I downloaded when I was a kid and internet was still kinda new. I didn't know any better.
TheIronJew_ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad CNN gave me this warning, then...
gefasel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:49:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty appalling...
Oops! I've just had a thought crime! Time to take a trip to the ministry of love.
Marsmar-LordofMars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting me some of that graphine over the dark web.
VerneAsimov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3d printers... Not even once
WeirdCatEars ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mark it, you are a striminal.
You leave it blank, you are a dirty liar.
Maybe if you tick it you get sent to IT duty and if you don't you get sent to spy duty?
zIronKlad ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going through the process now. Basically, this stuff doesn't disqualify you, you just can't lie about it. It all adds up, but one or two "I've done that" answers doesn't inherently dq you from the program, unless they catch you lying.
gefasel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:50:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a terrible spot to be in. How would they know if you've streamed illegal content?
What if you literally haven't committed a single crime in your life, how do they determine if you're lying?
zIronKlad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They polygraph you. There's also a very very extensive background check, where they talk to friends, friends of friends, etc. In theory, it validates your answers.
jetztf ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Polygraphs are shit and dont work.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:12:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloaded? No, I was merely streaming it.
don't look into my cache please
Aikidi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading illegal materials and illegally downloading legal materials are different things arent they.
rip10 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:55:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spoke with the CIA at a job fair once. The woman there told me, without any provocation or solicitation, that I need to stop downloading movies today if I'm serious about the
nonjobQuasarsRcool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that mean??
rip10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean job, sorry. I'm usually pretty good about proof-reading and catching autocorrect's efforts to sabotage me, but I didn't catch that one.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sort of like how the government has trouble employing programmers because too many people who like computers also like smoking pot
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Define 'downloaded' and define 'illegal materials', please."
Microraptors ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It likely won't affect much. They know kids are gonna do it, it's not a deal breaker in all cases.
What they look for with that question, is someone who is seriously considering that career path, is absolved of their old piratey ways and is willing to tell the truth and not get caught in a lie.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI has similar problems hiring people for their cyber-security division. Apparently all the applicants smoke weed on the way to the interview.
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta be a liar to work for the cia
VernonLocke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked their website, the policy on pirating shows was pretty much "Yeah, we've done that too. Try not to."
iamagainstit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
those questions tend to be a check on how honest you are willing to be rather than how wholesome. They mostly just want to make sure you can't be blackmailed.
happygocrazee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Often marking yes on questions like that isn't a dealbreaker. It's if you mark no and they find out you lied that's the problem (because it's not hard for them to find out).
GuyBlushThreepwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might actually be a test question for honestly since almost everyone has done it. I had a friend that ran the lie detector interviews for the State Department where she would ask lots of questions about anything and everything to see whether candidates were trustworthy and if they had any dirt that could be compromised.
There was one stage where the applicant is just supposed to divulge anything and everything they think could be considered embarrassing or compromising. Not everything bad was disqualifying, but how they handled or whether they tried to hide it would be. I specifically remember her mentioning bad things that nearly everyone has done that they would ask about as a baseline. Sometimes candidates really were boy scouts and would be innocent of even minor vices, but that would create a different context where they dug in more to find out if that was true.
RedditPoster05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but is that a disqualifying question?
InvaderChin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None. People will just lie like they always have on those applications and if they really want you as an employee, they'll cover for you by not questioning it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually want the job and you admit to doing it, you're too stupid to be in the intelligence community anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On an application to be in the CIA and get a job working for them, of fucking course it does. They don't tell the truth and you're even dumber for wasting your own time applying if that's how you go about it.
Edit: oh and if it's incriminating and you admit it to people who can put you away for 20 years for downloading something, you're the dumbest. You'll be getting your asshole stretched by other inmates but you can feel good about the fact that you still have your honesty, right? LOL.
we_belong_dead ยท 853 points ยท Posted at 15:11:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like sources for that shitistic.
koviko ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% of redditors are loosey-goosey.
GoochMasterFlash ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 16:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69% of striminals are known to have a little sugar in them at the time of the offense.
Kooky.
Vinylzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EmeraldFlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are these all references to something or
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously complete bs because they're calling them criminals.
Copyright piracy is part of civil law in the vast majority of the world. NOT criminal law.
Nobody downloading or watching these things is a "criminal".
Bombernaut_ ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% of 69% of millennials stream content without paying for it. So...40% of pirates pay for the content? The fuck?
MelissaClick ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
40% use only non-streaming methods of video piracy, such as downloading videos using bittorrent.
Bombernaut_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes more sense.
temporalarcheologist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(bittorrent is probably much more mainstream than putlocker)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno I wonder about that - bittorrent is certainly a bigger platform with more stuff, but can also seem complicated and difficult to do for newbies. There's a barrier to entry there that PutLocker doesn't have
temporalarcheologist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iunno I could probably help my grandma navigate a torrent site and install qbittorrent over phone and she can't figure out her email
Michelle_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an 18 year old friend that couldn't handle clicking a magnet link. I think you might be overestimating your grandma.
cumfarts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the hip portmanteau for them?
NinjaLanternShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other 40% pay for netflix/amazon/hulu? Why is this confusing?EDIT: nm I gotcha
NinjaLanternShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, why is 60% whopping?
98% is whopping. 2% is paltry.
60% is about half. It's not "whopping."
AlexTheSysop ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 16:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
420% of all statistics are made up on the spot
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use my statistics book to roll joints. True story
Shuriken66 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be CNN
FPSGamer48 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You spelled FOX wrong
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You both spelled mainstream news organizations.
uniqueguy263 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both are trash.
Disproves ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a false equivalence. CNN has a liberal leaning bias, Fox is literal propaganda.
uniqueguy263 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:34:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean in terms of CNN's bias, I mean their dumb sensationalism. Like their MH370 was sucked into a black hole story
KuntaStillSingle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's your definition of propaganda that fits FOX and excludes CNN?
AlexTheSysop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least, FOX continuously downplaying the Trump scandal (but they made a big deal about Obama ordering a specific kind of mustard). CNN may or may not have problems (I haven't seen much about it other than the wrestling meme thing), but FOX is desensitizing people to issues that are ordinarily, and should be now too, MASSIVE.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FNN
MusicTheoryIsHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
frotc914 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it. Consider how many people are also streaming by sharing Netflix accounts, Comcast accounts, etc. People torrenting or watching online from shady websites is probably pretty minimal, but that's not most "piracy".
Edit: For everybody telling me "you can share Netflix accounts, no problem", that's mostly because it's very difficult to track and enforce without making their platform annoying and terrible, not because you're "allowed' or "encouraged" to do so. As Netflix's new usership slows down, you can expect more pressure to create and enforce solutions that crack down on account-sharing
kn33 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:50:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Most of my friends, when a movie isn't on Netflix, Googles "[movie] stream" and find it. So I think it's pretty widespread.
DerNubenfrieken ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who is a sports fan has most likely done the same for Thursday night football or some other game thats not on ESPN/Network.
trueBlue1074 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I would've thought it was higher than 60% to be honest. At least among the people I know, pretty much all of them watch illegal movie streams at least occasionally.
CharlestonChewbacca ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My roommate used to do that. It pissed me off. The quality was always terrible. Even if the video was decent, the audio was compressed to shit.
Just rent it on Amazon for like $2
InvaderChin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not paying $4.99 to watch a niche movie once when I could literally just order the DVD on Amazon for the same price.
And then, since I have to deal with a shipping wait, I'll end up pirating it anyway. Might as well save my $5 at that point.
CharlestonChewbacca ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like double the price.
Then don't, just order the DVD. No one is forcing you.
Then do that. Quit trying to justify piracy because you're unwilling to pay a couple dollars for a few hours of entertainment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CharlestonChewbacca ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then go without.
Just don't try to justify pirating something that's $1-$2.
That's a super reasonable price for a movie.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CharlestonChewbacca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying "I can buy 70 hours worth of classic cartoons from the wal-mart bargain bin for $5, $15 for a brand new movie is a rip off."
Your making a strange false equivalency.
Let's take Star Wars: A New Hope for instance. It's not on Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Prime Instant (in my country at least). Sure, I can watch thousands of hours of TV shows for $10/mo, but if I want to watch A New Hope, it's not the same.
For movies and shows that haven't made streaming deals with those providers, $1-$2 for a rental is a perfectly reasonable price. Hell, most of the same people will spend twice that on a cup of coffee without batting an eye.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CharlestonChewbacca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing though... Anime and movies are different markets. Are they similar? Absolutely. But they aren't the same. One is not an alternative for the other.
You aren't paying double the market price just because another form of streamable media is cheaper. You are paying the market price for streaming movies.
If I were to use your logic, I could just say: "YouTube has an endless amount of streaming video entertainment for free. Why would I pay infinitely above the market price for Crunchyroll?"
It doesn't make sense. They aren't the same thing.
It seems like you're obsessed with anime and you just don't like movies... that's fine, but most people couldn't give a shit about anime. The value of that entertainment is irrelevant when talking about something completely different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CharlestonChewbacca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is certainly true, but we have existing frameworks for predicting the behavior of purchasing habits with such goods. Film and anime would likely be considered substitute goods, however, very loosely. They would be nowhere near "perfect substitutes." However, an anime and a cartoon would be much closer to being perfect substitutes. An anime and a similar anime even moreso.
The fact of the matter is though, you can compare anime and films as substitutes on about the same level you could compare milk and soda as substitute goods.
Okay, cool. But that certainly isn't typical.
Again, cool. But it certainly isn't the majority.
You can argue anything. But I would say it's fairly obvious that for most people they are not the same. Streaming being infinitely more convenient than a physical rental for anyone with a decent internet service.
Regardless, I'm not quite sure what point you're getting at here; given that a physical rental will run you about the same cost, and in many cases more than a streamable rental will.
But they aren't. I don't know what world you live in where wasting your time to go physically rent something for the same price that you could stream it is the same.
Yes? I'm trying to find the point you're attempting to make, but I'm not seeing it.
Here was our topic: you posited that because anime has a better hours to dollar ratio, renting a movie online was such a poor value, that it was a waste of money.
My position is that they are not direct substitutions and that comparison is meaningless.
If I want to watch The Terminator 3, and I can do that for $2, no amount of inexpensive, streaming TV shows are going to replace that.
I'm unsure where your strange tangent came from, what purpose it was supposed to serve, or what it was even saying, but it was not relevant to our conversation.
AngryPeacock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is up to the market to decide, and it has decided that at current rates, 60% of people will not purchase it lmao.
_Whalelord_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemath
TDTMMbot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemonstermath
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goh13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I not watch game of thrones? Because HBO does not support my country? Fuck that, I am watching and watching in HD.
CharlestonChewbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is different.
I would agree that piracy is justified when it is literally the only option.
If you cannot give them business, they are not losing business from your piracy.
Although, I think GoT is available through Hulu and Amazon Prime now. (not sure if it's available in your country though.)
amateur-dentist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC sharing a Netflix account is perfectly acceptable. It's just VPNs they have a problem with.
inactive_glamour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix even asks you how many people will be using the account and you can pay like $2 more to stream to more than one screen at a time.
Max_Thunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's nothing illegal to sharing Netflix accounts...
CWSwapigans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Highly debatable and has yet to really be tested in courts.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/07/is_it_really_illegal_to_share_your_netflix_password.html
the_hd_easter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix encourages sharing. Thats why they added the separate profiles.
asgfgh2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised it is only 69%.
borkborkborko ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are the people streaming.
The other 30% are using torrents or download things directly.
The remaining 1% are idiots not able to use the internet.
northrupthebandgeek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69% percent of the time, a millennial striminals every time
NinjaLanternShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm only 69% surprised.
Mackin-N-Cheese ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Methodology on Page 1, quote on page 13
TL;DR: Google survey
we_belong_dead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for posting the farticle.
wavjunkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's on the internet so it's of course 100% true
DonnieBeGood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found Sean Connery
Ragnar_OK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source: its the sex number!
dazzlindan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Credit to u/Flynamic for providing the torrentfreak article which linked to the source.
Page: http://anatomymedia.com/portfolio/millennials-at-the-gate/
Direct link (PDF) http://anatomymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ANATOMY_MILLENNIALS_at_the_GATE_FALL2016.pdf
[deleted] ยท 1168 points ยท Posted at 16:23:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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furlonium ยท 402 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously - $3.99 for SD and $4.99 for HD?
No thanks. To Newgroups I go!
Edit: Newsgroups, my bad!
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whats newgroup :l
Sabrejack ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means newsgroups.
ThatsASpicyMeatballs ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:10:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nudegroups...yes I pirate all my nude groups
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ah, i thought he meant something else. because usenet succccs.
asniper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usenet sucks? I bet user error to the reason why you think it sucks
furlonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way friendo, I max out my 155mbps instantly with any nzb I load up.
mountaintop123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is newsgroups then
Mundus2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usenet.
mountaintop123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:37 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is usenet.?
Mundus2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:47 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A computer protocol that can be used to share files, often used in place of torrents.
OdysseanTimeliness ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google it, narc
gruez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
WikiTextBot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Network News Transfer Protocol
The Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) is an application protocol used for transporting Usenet news articles (netnews) between news servers and for reading and posting articles by end user client applications. Brian Kantor of the University of California, San Diego and Phil Lapsley of the University of California, Berkeley authored RFC 977, the specification for the Network News Transfer Protocol, in March 1986. Other contributors included Stan O. Barber from the Baylor College of Medicine and Erik Fair of Apple Computer.
Usenet was originally designed based on the UUCP network, with most article transfers taking place over direct point-to-point telephone links between news servers, which were powerful time-sharing systems.
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quiteCryptic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, if I could download and own it for $5 I would. And one place that has everything like steam for movies would also be necessary for me to use the service.
In a future like that, I could see plex being way more popular and having a home NAS etc.. Or fuck it just a plex box which is basically a NAS for dummies that make it easy.
furlonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I run a Plex server on my PC and I love it. I have the app on my son's tablet and can stream all his Disney TV shows.
MusicTheoryIsHard ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't mind paying that if it's a movie I want to see.
urahonky ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah $5 isn't too bad. That's cheaper than a movie ticket and I don't even have to put on pants!
potatoesarenotcool ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you're also not paying a few people to run a cinema...
emecom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My town still has a video rental store and I can rent Blu-rays for $1. If it's a brand new movie I only get it for a day, otherwise I get it for up to a week. Until a steaming service offers that I will continue to use the store and probably even then because I want to support a local business.
urahonky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually really awesome. The only thing we have here is RedBox and I really don't like it all that much.
emecom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is probably my favorite local store. I go there at least once a week sometimes a lot more.
WayneKrane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah $5 is fine for a newer movie. Plus, the higher quality and the time saved not searching for a pirated version is more than worth it to me.
frotc914 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$5 is less than what you paid to rent shitty VHS tapes at Blockbuster 20 years ago. People are just whiners.
flamingfireworks ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but also consider the costs of handling a temporary download versus the costs of maintaining a brick and mortar retail store, employees, and the risk of getting a damaged VHS back or not getting one back at all.
frotc914 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but from the consumer's perspective you are getting a better product delivered instantaneously without having to go to a store or worry about returning it. So if you paid $5 for a VHS rental from BB, you should be willing to pay more than that for a HD download rental.
Additionally, in the pre-movie-download days of 1997, there was no such thing as licenses. Blockbuster actually contracted to purchase 100,000 copies of "Titanic" and that was the end of their transaction with Paramount Studios (or whoever). The costs of licensing might be overall larger than purchasing the copies of the videos, particularly in an era where online rentals make up a much greater share of the market compared to hard copy purchases. So their costs may have gone down on one end and up on the other. BB also didn't make apps for different platforms that require updates, make sure they integrate with tons of devices, etc.
flamingfireworks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:44:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But also from a consumer's perspective, i can just go stream some videos on youtube for free, or pirate them. So they have to compete with those two options, even if they dont like it, and because they've got objectively lower overhead, its not like they're gonna die off because of that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frotc914 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Previously, Blockbuster, the nation's only remaining retail movie rental chain, charged $4.99 for a three-day rental.
And by the way, you weren't actually guaranteed to get any old movie you might actually want to see, unlike Amazon/Itunes/etc.
These days Netflix, Amazon, et al. pay for bulk licensing. It's not comparable to BB, who would just buy a ton of copies of VHS tapes to rent out. The pricing structure is very different.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frotc914 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Previously". As in previously to May 28, 2011. As in before 2011. But whatever, I already spent too much effort caring about this. I'm sure there was probably some variation in pricing.
Hawke666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix/amazon/iTunes don't have anywhere near full coverage either, unlike most decent torrent trackers.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he has a good point about redbox. there's way lower overhead in the business model, but you still pay a decent amount. Old movies should be $1/2 for digital rentals
Though my real complaint is how long they wait to make some movies available to rent. I wanted to see Trainwreck and it wasn't rentable and had an iTunes giftcard and now the fact that I own Trainwreck is on my permanent record.
So after that I gave up a little.
orendt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know anyone that went to Blockbuster. Every other video store was $2 when Blockbuster was $5. I wouldn't have spent that then, and i won't now.
swollencornholio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea..$5 is a beer at a bar that lasts you 30 minutes. Hard to believe people don't think renting a new movie for $5 is worth it these days. It was $5 at blockbuster 20 years ago.
Personally I think it's less that it's "expensive" and "overpriced" and more so that there's a free option out there.
thartle8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That argument sounds good in a vacuum but I could have said the same about music 10 years ago. Or tv shows 5 years ago. They were pirated like crazy but then streaming services came in and suddenly we didn't need to pirate as much. I could have got hours of entertainment from my 9.99 cd. Sounds like a fine deal but wasn't enough to beat out pirating. There's still free options to everything I watch on Netflix but I still have Netflix. You can still pirate every song known to man for free but plenty of people still pay for Spotify premium or the others similar to it. It's definitely not just about a free option. We've proved time and time again that if you get a better sales model, we will pay for product. I can't claim to know what the best model is but just saying there's a free way to do it isn't completely correct
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are free options for games, music, and software. It doesn't matter if you think $5 is reasonable if the market does not agree. People pirated movies 20 years ago too.
If they are concerned with capturing the piracy market then the service needs to be better or the cost lower.
swollencornholio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:41:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you actually tried renting a movie off Amazon or Google play? Both stream in 1080P and 4K (if available). They have free options and the most expensive rentals are ~$5 in HD. Years ago I would pirating was much easier because it was nearly impossible to find the movie you wanted but Amazon and Google play pretty much have every movie you want out there. Amazon and Google Play are on far more platforms with easy streaming than platforms. You can download items on both for play without internet service.
What more do you want out of the service other than it being cheaper?
movzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:12 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, pirating movies and TV shows 20 years ago was not much easier than buying the movie/show you wanted. 20 years ago was 1997. You either had a significant, multi-day wait while you waited for your shitty dialup to download several hundred megabytes or you were scrounging for a VHS/DVD copy from local guy and paying for that instead.
It doesn't matter what I want out of a service. We aren't talking about me. We are talking about the market.
Music piracy has all but died because of things like Spotify, Pandora, YouTube, Google Music, etc. Legal, cheap, convenient.
Game piracy has taken a massive hit thanks to services like Steam, GoG, Humble Bundle, etc. Legal, cheap, convenient.
TV and movie piracy is as rampant as ever. The market is saying the existing scenarios are not the right combination of cheap or convenient. Go to any thread talking about trying to legally watch Game of Thrones for evidence of that.
How many separate video services do you need to subscribe to in order to get access to, say, 80% of recent content? What is the cost of that? You may feel that it is reasonable to subscribe to multiple services to obtain access to the videos, and that is fine, but your feelings are irrelevant to what people are actually doing. If you want to capture the piracy market then you need to lower cost or increase convenience.
mr_e_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it is. It was expensive at Blockbuster and other rental places because there wasn't any other option, they were free to dictate pricing. With an option on the market that is high quality and free, the real competition should be in convenience.
back in the 90s, if I wanted to see a movie that was out on video my options were to buy it for $20 or rent it for $7, or hope that a friend had it and borrow it. Now one of the options on consumer's plates is to just get the thing they want. It might take a bit of hassle, but the price is right, and pirate services are constantly improving at a rate proper ones haven't been able to match. 10 years ago I'd watch something on Megavideo then get told I couldn't watch anything for another 48 minutes. When MV got shut down a better option appeared, and that's carried on pretty well. Every time you shut down a pirating site, someone who's had an idea for how to run one better shows up. Ironically Piracy has only improved the more it's fought against.
It's not just the price that keeps people pirating, either. any service you're paying money to might not have licensing rights to a movie or show, and even if they do, they often take a good while to put it up. Piracy doesn't care for who has the rights to what, it puts it all out there for the public, and it does it with unbelievable speed. It's not just the price tag that's keeping the sails going here. If pirating websites charged a similar fee to Netflix or HBO Go, or any of the many services I'd have to get all together for the same selection, they would still be offering a far superior product. That's the real issue here, no one can compete with the product, even if it wasn't free.
furlonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I look at it as 25% the cost to buy it while all they're doing is pushing data to me.
I have Netflix and Amazon and borrow a friend's Hulu. Renting online, IMO, is a rip.
Make it $2/$3 and I'd be happy.
urahonky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool. For me I generally only watch a movie once and be done with it so paying 25% and being able to (Hopefully) enjoy the movie is a good enough value for me.
DataBound ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:11:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell buying a DVD is cheaper than a movie ticket. And they wonder why people don't go to movies! One time view with annoying people all around or own it. Lemme think about that.
PM_ME_ALL_THE_BOOBIE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem renting for that... but this 24 hours once you start it is bullshit.
I don't doubt it's people stuck in the past while Amazon is trying to push it forward.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why is that even an option. damn execs are so out of touch.
iamafanofsecretriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean?
kb_klash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention $10 to rent in UHD. I noped right out of that one.
ARIZaL_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:46:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first rule..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh I only rent movies when T-Mobile Tuesdays has those offers for Vudu.
ragingdeltoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got a resource that explains how to use newsgroups? Never tried it, went from IRC straight to torrents
asniper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its. Ot really explaining how, but look into sonarr, radarr, sickrage, couchpotato. All tools to automate downloading from usenet and torrents
furlonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couchpotato/sabnzb are a great combo for automating movies and TV shows.
furlonium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.howtogeek.com/71315/the-how-to-geek-guide-to-getting-started-with-usenet/
I use Usenetserver as my provider, Newsbinpro as my client, and DogNZB and NZBgeek as my NZB databases.
Some initial costs involved but worth it IMO. Blu-ray and UHD ISOs download at full speed and I'm done with a 45-100GB file well before a 4GB "rip" torrent would finish.
ragingdeltoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last question if you please, do you know if releases have a different life cycle in newsgroups?
I mean, are HD versions released faster there? I know torrents are the last link in the chain from what I remember of the scene
furlonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:27 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what you mean by lifecycle. Once something is posted to the newsgroups then it's there for as long as the provider's retention, usually 6-7 years for most premium providers.
AFAIK most releases are done privately through IRC then make their way to FTPs, newsgroups, file locker sites, then torrents.
ragingdeltoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:21 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I meant, where they are available first
You answered it :)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man I completely forgot about newsgroups.
I've stopped pirating altogether but remember paying ยฃ15 a month back in the day for unlimited downloads for a news net site. Those were the days. Paying for piracy!
garrypig ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 18:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah like, renting 2 movies for 24 hours costs the same as Netflix for a month. Do they not understand that people don't like exorbitant prices and premiums? Why shouldn't I pirate if I already pay $45/ month for various streaming services, and if your movie isn't on any of those, I'm not going to pay an extra $5 for only one movie.
--_-__-- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:46:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the percentage of people who put their heads down and pay the asking price and jump through the hoops for content are plenty enough to sustain them.
JD-King ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point you could probably find it in a discount theater for cheaper anyway.
sakkara ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
amen
PM_ME_ALL_THE_BOOBIE ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a serious problem paying a cable company for them to fuckin' advertise to me. Nah, that shit better be free if you're gonna spam me with commercials. Fuck off.
I'll pirate that shit. Or I'll just stream my Prime, Netflix, and such with no commercials and it's easy and it's not expensive.
ItDontMather ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to pirate games to try them out anymore, steams refund policy is super loose as long as you've played under 2 hours. I've never had a refund request denied
Shuriken66 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. Add soundcloud to the music category. Lifesaver there.
lilcosco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now it functions like the free version of Spotify where you can't seek/skip so they can fit in as many ads as possible
AshTheGoblin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:55:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not for long
Huntermbradley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why
AshTheGoblin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're going broke
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've been broke for years
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chance is garbage
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like that building saved American Airlines flight 77
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really edgy, you're just a faggot
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your username is literally 1337hax1337
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My username confirms my fucking hometown
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flavortown, USA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy dude. So fucking edgy. Edgier than the razor you cut your trim neck beard with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feelsbatman
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AshTheGoblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
www.businessinsider.com/soundcloud-employees-shocked-by-job-cuts-2017-7
Str8OuttaFlavortown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SoundCloud fucking sucks, by far the worst music streaming website unless all you listen to is dubstep remixes of pop songs and shitty trap mixtapes
knowitallninja ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to watch The Fifth Element. I searched online for anywhere I could legally stream it. No option available at all that I could find. What else am I supposed to do?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rent it... Its about as expensive as a cup of coffee and lasts a hell of a lot longer.
TenSnakesAndACat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not paying for something that I'm going to watch 5 times and forget those commercials no thanks
someone755 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still costs money.
Don't get me wrong, if there's some shit I really like I'll go out and buy it. But I'm not paying for just any shit, not when I can get it for free online.
cny10000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam has a really decent refund policy. So I don't think u need to pirate game to try things out. The only motivation to pirate game is probably censorship in ur countries, and maybe languages.
Arrent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This line of thinking actually was the main argument I used for an essay recently. I always thought pirating was really bad, but after reading some stuff by Lawrence Lessig, I've been pretty swayed by the idea that it isn't fair to call it criminal because that's calling the majority of normally law-abiding people criminals, which is especially problematic when (I'm guessing without evidence) most pirates are millennials.
While it's fair to just consider it a problem with people doing things illegally, another good view for it is that services need to keep up with our quickly-growing technological needs. I've seen countless people testify that if the product was just more readily available, it'd be less convenient to pirate it, and it becomes worth paying for. This puts a lot of the burden on the companies producing things, but it's a good alternative perspective to what I've believed for a really long time.
RTSUbiytsa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same thing with pirating games - I use it as a demo. I really wish that more developers would release demos nowadays, like they used to back in the day - I know a lot of game models wouldn't work with it, but maybe do a "you get three hours of playtime to decide" type deal. Most of the games I've pirated I've gone on to purchase, and the only ones I didn't end up buying were generally shit-tier games with really nice trailers that, in the end, didn't deserve the money, IMO.
The last time I said that demos should be more commonplace, I was told that I was an entitled piece of shit to even think that trying something before buying it was a good thing. Thanks, /r/gaming!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got slightly annoyed by the fact that you suggested Google Music/YouTube for music and not Spotify. Point taken, though.
HamSammich45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GPM also lets you upload and stream your own music library without ads, completely for free. I'm surprised no one talks about this feature.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to use that feature until I discovered how affordable Spotify Premium was. Now I'll never go back to the barbaric ways of having to download songs by brute force, takes way too much time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Diskroll ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can use Spotify in landscape though? If they removed it at some point, it's definitely back in, at least on android
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I actually turned auto rotation off because I prefer everything in portrait mode anyway.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's doesn't cost $100mm to make a song or video game. You can't just compare the prices of various things because they're all digitized.
TheNordicMage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You still Pay licensing and Pay the creators
837825 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm...
Legendhidde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, Steam has made me never want to pirate a game again. The fuckery I had to go through to install some of them. I'll just pay with any service I want to, download and at immediately. If I don't like it I ask for a refund. Steam has killed game piracy entirely for me. Spotify has killed all music piracy for me. The only piracy I still need to see eliminated is movies and shows. Netflix has nothing I want to see and when I go on vacation and can't use internet I like to have 6 seasons of whatever show I like downloaded to watch.
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NLWoody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I pirate game of thrones, no Hbo here
TheCluelessDeveloper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're too cheap to pay for HBO Now?
NLWoody ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:36:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no Hbo in my country, there used to be but they went bankrupt
TheCluelessDeveloper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, that makes more sense. Yeah, I would pirate it, too, if that were the case for me.
Zenblend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube compression trashes audio quality
redditosleep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you somehow forgetting about Netflix?
theghostofme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the songs on YouTube aren't uploaded/endorsed by the artist, and are just more "illegal" streams.
FF3LockeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is we need to bring back Blockbuster Video.
CWSwapigans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In today's dollars, a Blockbuster new release was about $10/rental. Content is expensive. Young people don't want to pay what content costs.
What that will lead to remains to be seen, but the most likely outcome is some combination of lower quality content and less content with the remaining choices aimed at a wider audience (think summer blockbusters).
CWSwapigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not use Netflix's mail service? It's on par with Redbox pricing with much better convenience and a nearly exhaustive collection. Basically the service you want already exists.
lordkoba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you pirate the game, play it for a while, and then if you like it buy it on Steam/GOG/etc?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have bought several games because of the demo. Exactly, there is either no demo, itโs far later after the game releases and/or is so short or restrictive they kill the fun out of their own game. They need to go back to putting out quality demos!
rossreed88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right? i lost my collection of random pirated music i had acquired over the years to a poorly backed up reformat. now that I use google play music I just to a artist search and i have everything i ever need. plus the add free youtube is nice.
SixStringSomebody ยท 686 points ยท Posted at 16:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what stopped me from Pirating music? A single, reasonably priced service that offered me just about every possible song i would want. I havent pirated a single song since Spotify and Google play music.
But not video. Nope, I need Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Showtime, Comcast whateverthefuckitis, Timewarner whateverthefuckitis, Verizon whogivesashit blah blah blah. So, to get all the stuff i want to watch. I pay more than before I cut the cord.
PFFT. Fuck off
Nighshade586 ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 16:35:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to pirate almost all my music when I had an big 60gb Ipod, but after I got Spotify, I don't really have a need to.
brokenRimjob ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a side note, Google play is better if you're a hip hop fan because you can upload mix tapes.
jarawd ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you download the Spotify client on PC you can import any music that's not available on Spotify
Hipstershy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But can you then play that across devices? That was the initial draw to GPM for me.
ThumpingGoose17 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:03:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can! You can even download onto other devices if you have premium.
x-mendeki-kel-adam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you do that??
bonehead48 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you download the playlist while connected to same network as the device with the local files they should transfer
Vormhats_Wormhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they add any decent functionality for me to play it on my phone, or do I still have to create a playlist for each mix tape?
Been a google play user for years b/c of spotify's shit local music support.
TheRealTravieB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:17:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alas, you still need to put them in a playlist. I wish it were different.
brokenRimjob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL, I stand corrected
parakhc4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming makes it easier because it's always in 320kbps and you don't have to go through 25 ads to finally get to the link.
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And thanks to that, I can't play my mp3s in any app without being offered streaming music or "radio stations"
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:16:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you own your music (CD's, .mp3's, etc) you could get a dedicated music player.
DumbNameIWillRegret ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or a music player app (e.g. VLC)
NinjaLanternShark ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree -- and I suspect music got there first because the files are so much smaller and the illegal downloading started so much sooner.
If TV and film people are smart they'll see what a success Spotify and similar music services are and follow suit.
FirelordHeisenberg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:47:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though Spotify has a pretty vast catalogue - that doesn't really include everything I listen to, but may be enough for others -, it still hasn't convinced me. Main reason is that I have a 2tb hard drive and a 1mb internet connection, so it would make no sense for me to wait for the songs to load every time if I can have them all here already in the storage space I already have. I also listen to music on my phone while on the street/bus/pretty much all the time I'm not home, and by having them all in a sd card they are available to me absolutely anywhere. With spotify you're not just paying for the music service, you're also paying for the irreasonably expensive data service from a mobile ISP, which doesn't even work 50% of the time, in order to access the music service you already paid for. Downloading music has no inconvenience, while streaming have dozens of them. No, thank you, I respect the effort spotify is doing to provide music legally, but even if I'm able to pay, the pirate way is still superior for several reasons.
PeepAndCreep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:23 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you can download music on Spotify onto your device for offline listening...
northrupthebandgeek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not everything's available on streaming music services, though (unless you count YouTube, but that's rarely legal). I ended up having to rip Alan Wakeman's "Return to the Center of the Earth" just to be able to enjoy Patrick Stewart's fantastic monologue when I don't have an Internet connection.
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never listened to anything on YouTube uploaded by someone who doesn't have the rights?
gefasel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're being slightly pedantic here. The guy is saying he hasn't intentionally downloaded pirated material online.
Watching something on YouTube isn't the same as downloading media. It states in YouTubes terms of service that any video that does not meet the copyright rules will be removed. So you could argue that every video available to watch on YouTube, from a users perspective, is legally free game because YouTube are allowing it to be streamed.
EDIT: Watching "free movie watch online today free" type streams on random websites is illegal because the hosts have shady or none existent terms of service which lead to them being taken down by the authorities. YouTube doesn't get taken down, because they are proactively fighting piracy. So as a user, if it's on YouTube, you may as well assume its legal.
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no meaningful difference. Streaming a Youtube video is literally "downloading media". The fact that you don't have your computer create a persistent file from the downloaded media does not mean you're not "downloading media".
That statement is wrong; tons of videos that don't meet copyright rules are not removed.
And that argument would wrong.
Why would you make such a blatantly false assumption?
gefasel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: You haven't grasped my point at all. I had a whole page typed out explaining it to you. But I remember this is the internet and you'll just be a dick regardless of whether or not you're right or wrong, so its a pointless endeavor. Have a nice day.
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel like I've been a dick thus far?
gefasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, but I've been in this situation before. Disagreements on topics that don't have an easily obtainable factual truth are generally topics that involve endless back and forth disagreement. Perhaps you won't be a dick, but I highly doubt you will give me a fruitful debate.
You're not a copyright lawyer, I'm not a copyright lawyer. We have differing opinions and neither of us will concede to the other. It's a pointless discussion to have because we won't gain anything productive from it.
But I am willing to just give you my original reply if you want it.
34786t234890 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon has started offering all of the premium channels a la carte.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a semi relevant note, "Cut the Cord" is also a pretty good song by Shinedown.
ProfXavier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This right here. The only reason I still pirate music is because I'm a DJ and Spotify doesn't yet have integration with Serato. If it did, I would never pirate any music ever again, even if they charged me another $20/month for Serato integration.
Monkmeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That's the first time I've heard anyone say that they pay more after cutting the cord.
thomasg86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I still have cable and frankly am pretty happy about it. My TV package on top of the Internet is $60. By the time I were to subscribe to enough streaming services to get most of what I want I'd be approaching that anyway. My package includes a DVR, which is used heavily to record and watch later without commercials (guess I'm helping the decline of broadcast television there, oops.)
I also love my sports, so live sports is a HUGE deal for me. Not just ESPN, but all the sports channels including the local networks. This also helps with commercials, if I am watching something live, I can always flip to a game during commercials and then go back. There is always something going on. Plus, I do like just scrolling through the guide and finding new shit.
So maybe I am one of those suckers who is hanging on with live sports. But if live sports goes "Netflix" too then ESPN will be $15/mo, Fox Sports $10, Root Sports $6, Comcast SportsNet $8, etc. No thanks.
Maybe I can't mainline the entire Futurama series in a weekend, but I do know that Futurama is on three different stations every day and isn't going away any time soon.
tl;dr - Cord cutting still doesn't appeal to me.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just get one streaming service at a time and occassionally rent movies for like $4-6.
Havent pirated anything in over a decade. No need to pretend like youre getting screwed. Media has never been cheaper and easier to access.
Pirating lets you get stuff that costs money for free with little to no risk of getting caught. Thats why you pirate, stop pretending like youre some kind of victim whos being forced into it. No its not stealing, you arent literally taking stuff from someone, but you are cheating people out of money.
ShimmerFairy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly certain most people don't have the time or patience to constantly cancel and subscribe again just to avoid paying multiple services at once. It's a legitimate strategy, to be sure, but I'm not convinced that's a solution many people can put into practice.
SixStringSomebody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sniffle.. Fuck you.
QParticle ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like an advertising campaign for torrent
CoolguyCy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:02:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the vibe I was getting.
DrDerpberg ยท 1331 points ยท Posted at 15:14:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been struck by
Yeah you've been struck by
A smooth striminal
MonkeyOnYourMomsBack ยท 397 points ยท Posted at 16:25:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been struck by ...
DrDerpberg ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 16:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's my song, who do you think you are?
[deleted] ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 16:39:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MrChivalrious ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a second.... I made this.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DontStalkMePlsKS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just this once - everybody lives!
Anshin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm Dirty Dan
TehTwisterball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'M Dirty Dan
NOT_ZOGNOID ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Na na na na na... / made this.
MrChivalrious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your name's not Dash.
chrysanthemumsies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You made this?
kiefenator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made dis.
DarkShadow1093 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:50:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
running around leaving scars?
jai_kasavin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's your song and I can strim if I want to
GamingWithBilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kids these days don't know what the original lyrics are because of the poor quality of pirated copies.
phphulk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Annie are you buffering?
boundfortrees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I came to this thread.
Gsteel11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahem... that's a "cmooth striminal" obviously.
JimblesSpaghetti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
filmindustry are you ok, are you ok filmindustry
UseCodeRainn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You needed one more syllable on every line, you had a hiku
itookyourmeds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's a loku
klausklass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a kitchen barcode scanner. I think you're talking about a hake.
Aduialion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You needed one more.
Syllable on every line.
You had a haiku.
haikubot-1911 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You needed one more.
Syllable on every line.
You had a haiku.
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Chispy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
UseCodeRainn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I wanted the bot to answer me but I misspelled the haiku
Aduialion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted the bot
To answer, but I mispell,
The word haiku, shit.
UseCodeRainn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thks
Aduialion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem,
Happy to help,
Redditors
pragmatika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you properly licenced the use of those lyrics.
rossreed88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a smooth criminal would be a smiminal but i guess a smooth striminal cant be reduced.
CreedDidNothingWrong ยท 1889 points ยท Posted at 15:13:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You wouldn't steal a car"
Well, yeah, I might. You know, if the value of the car was under $50; and the owner didn't lose any actual property, just the opportunity to sell me the car; and there was almost no chance I'd get caught; and it was so widely practiced that it was generally considered socially acceptable by all of my friends. If all of those things were true, then yeah, I probably would steal a car. Especially if I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if I couldn't easily steal it.
"Piracy. It's a crime...technically."
anonymousQ_s ยท 897 points ยท Posted at 16:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will add: and if the car dealership refuses to sell you the car for no valid reason even though you're willing to pay asking price. Instead they want you to sign up for a $10,000 monthly subscription fee which includes access to 100 different cars but you can only check out one at a time.
Boibi ยท 673 points ยท Posted at 16:21:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
The reason I spend so much money on Steam is because they literally made it more convenient than pirating games. Why can't companies make good business decisions instead of blaming young people.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 17:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, some companies are finally catching on.
Spotify is crazy convenient -- there's no way you could possibly pirate music that would be easier to use than Spotify, and it's dirt cheap.
Imbillpardy ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO Go/Now and Netflix know what's up. I'm happy to pay for both services because they exceed my expectations compared to others such as Hulu. Spotify is of the same vein.
DorkJedi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:16:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hulu is improving. I think the clue bat finally dented their clue-resistant cranium.
manwhoel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO GO is a shitshow in Latin America, I have not been able to watch live any GOT episode this last season. I've been paying a full year now but as soon as this season ends, I'm gonna cancel that shit and become an streaminal thanks to their fucking shit service.
CharismaticNPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Season 7 writing is so shit that you won't enjoy it anyways when it does start working!
jonnybanana88 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Season 7 has been great so far!
gefasel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's alright. They're just trying to cram too much into too few episodes. You end up with big holes in the plot.
jonnybanana88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they do seem to be rushing the plot a bit. Was there a specific reason they only ordered 7 episodes this season?
gefasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No idea.
Maybe it's to do with actors contracts? You know what actors are like, they realise they're irreplaceable so just ask for more and more money until the production becomes cost prohibitive.
CharismaticNPC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The CGI, dragons, cinematics and fights scenes are stellar... as expected with the budget GoT has.
You don't think the writing has changed? Every dialogue so far in S7 has had me cringing... Jon's speech to the people at the night watch: "I need to try and convince her [bla bla]"... Nothing is subtle, the characters are using heavy ham-handed "I" statements. It's like they're not dialed into the same audience from the first six seasons.
Seriously, watch how the dialogues scenes are done, they changed the way they're shot in frame as well... It's like the Soap of Thrones.
jonnybanana88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only cringe I've heard so far is Brans beautiful speech to Salsa. I'll have to go back through for a second watch to see what you're pointing out. I suppose it's possible I've just been fully engrossed in the fighting lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Imbillpardy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's fair. I didn't really consider that.
Crocuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO Go is awful outside North America though. HBO Nordic, here in Sweden no longer registers my credit cards but still takes my money. I've contacted support but without any change. And their app doesn't start.
MichNeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I for once have a download button on youtube that let me do just that in an instant and then I move it to my phone.
I'd say it's more convenient cause that lets me hear them both on the phone and my PC, I don't need internet connection and it lets me make quick playlist according to what I want to hear.
Does Spotify do that?
NinjaLanternShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much exactly as you say. You mark a playlist as "offline" and it'll download everything on the list so you can play without internet.
Can't recall the last time a song I wanted wasn't found on Spotify.
WentoX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Spotify was released here in Sweden, I deleted my entire 50+gb music folder. Fucking relief, I knew they'd start charging eventually, didn't care. And when they did, they did so at a reasonable price.
Know some people saying Google music is better and cheaper, meanwhile I'm like... Bitch, you gonna get yourself slapped if you keep talking like that.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google Music is a hundred times better.
WentoX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
funny then, how i won't be able to use the media buttons on my keyboard unless i use a third party program to install it on my PC.
I dislike every web based application that should've been a stand-alone program on my computer, rather than a bookmark in my browser.
besides, if i wanted a browser bookmark, i'd just use soundcloud, it's free.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soundcloud is a different service entirely. They're not even sort of competing.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how so? there's music, there's the ability to create playlists and radio functions.
the app has limited but existing offline functionality.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For user generated content.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet i'm finding music from galantis, mitis, kygo, porter robinson etc. on there.
while Spotify also has music from people like DESSO, whom i followed on soundcloud since their very first released track.
Yes, soundcloud doesn't have any contracts with record companies and thus it lacks a lot of originals, but every modern musician start off somewhere, so there's plenty of good music to be found.
If anything it makes it easier to find good music, once you've followed some people you like, you'll get a nice stream of quality music that isn't being bombarded on every social media like more mainstream music ** cough * justin beiber * cough ** is.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NinjaLanternShark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaand you lost me. j/k!
guto8797 ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People overestimate greed and underestimate laziness.
Most people don't pirate movies cuz they don't want to pay the ticket, they pirate because putting on pants, driving, parking, going to the movie is a shit ton more work than just staying at home
Artinz7 ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 17:32:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also because there's 5 different services all with different content. Why would I pay for 5 different things and have to go to each of their apps and search them all individually when I could just go on a free website and know I'll find what I'm looking for immediately. It's not just free, it's a better product, even with it being a virus minefield.
ukrm ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:13:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a good adblocker and virus protection it's not even that hard to avoid virus's.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just it though, it isn't. I've never gotten a virus from pirating, what the fuck are people doing to get viruses? If there's a virus there will be a comment telling you about it.
Other than that, just grab the most popular Torrent and you're fine.
Artinz7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I frequent putlocker most often, I say it's a virus minefield because if you're an idiot, you'll yet a virus. Don't install any extensions they want you to, don't click any prompts, and you'll be fine. The point was to convey that even though the pirate sights are attempting to actively infect your computer, they're still better than the paid options. Not that you'll actually get a virus
Hawkbone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use piratebay. If the uploader has a green or purple skull, they're O.K. If there is a high number of seeders (30 or above) then its O.K. Always check the comments just in case.
WentoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, well i'm not familiar with that one, i'll only ever use piratebay or zooqle.
so unless people start clicking ads (which zooqle doesn't have regardless) then you're good, and honestly, if you're clicking ads on the internet, you probably deserve a virus anyways.
CowboyState ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What website you recommend?
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't think I'd recommend any free streaming site over something legitimate.
Like, go for it if you're broke and can't afford anything or just want to check something out before committing to paying for it but don't do it just because you want to be cheap because they're all pretty terrible.
But to answer your question, Putlocker usually has everything you could want.
golem1988 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I even pirate/stream movies I own because I'm too lazy to get up and put the disc into the player
RollTide09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol most people definitely pirate because it's free, whether they choose to admit that or not.
iwearatophat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically. Going over this thread it would seem they need a single service that provides every tv show or movie in hd and it needs to be 15 bucks a month. Anything less than that and it is pirating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good idea!
Borp7676 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'd still do all that at outrageous movie prices if I could freely drink and pee whenever I wanted to.
iwearatophat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:33 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bull shit. People pirate netflix a bunch. They pirate hbo. Both of those are very easily streamed for a very reasonable price. People do it because it is free.
DoctorBass95 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:26:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a huge game pirate when I was a kid. Since I got my steam account I haven't pirated a single game (at least none that are actually on steam). Why? Because the service is great. The games are cheap if you know when to buy them. The game updates itself. You don't have to look for keygens or cracks online. Totally worth it!
I don't pirate anything that's on Netflix but if it's not, then I'll pirate it. I'm not paying for more than one streaming service just because tv companies can't figure their shit out.
hungrydruid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your entire post is exactly where I'm at. I'll buy my games on Steam because they've made it convenient and accessible. I've got Netflix and cable, but if something's not on either, I'm going to find it one way or another.
allpumpnolove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pirate games to see if I like em before buying. Bought too many games for 50$ I barely enjoyed or played.
Now I'll support the developer only if I like their finished product.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only games I pirate anymore are ones that don't have demos, so I can try before I buy. Mass Effect Andromeda was the most recent but it was maybe two years before that last time I bothered.
Even Origin managed to get their shit together on fixing their service, I mean come on. When you're getting outdone by EA you have a shit business model for content distribution.
vanaprastha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I pay for streaming music. I know it's not the best for the artists, necessarily, but I try to support my favorites when they tour near me.
I wasn't really as upset about what.cd shutting down as I was about oink because music is just so easy to stream now.
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't believe in intellectual property rights in the current formulation, and don't think I'm doing anything wrong at all by torrenting a movie. But if you don't agree with that, and you do think rights owners are allowed to decide who gets "their" content based on who's paying, the fact that piracy is convenient is completely irrelevant.
Karmanoid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't think the studio paying 200 million dollars to make a movie have a right to be paid for watching the movie?
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I don't think anyone has a right to be paid for their product.
Karmanoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least you're honest. So I assume you would be ok if your boss decided he no longer thinks you have a right to be paid for your work product and just not pay you this week?
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a right to be paid for work I've done on the condition that I be paid for it. I've never agreed to pay a studio money for a film they make, therefore that condition does not exist in that situation. However in a situation where a guy has said to me "Sweep this floor all week, and I'll pay you $10 an hour", the condition does exist.
Karmanoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I never agreed to pay for my groceries so I can just take what I want from the store?
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Groceries are somebody's property. People have an inherent right to not have their property stolen.
Karmanoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the film is the studios property, they have a right to charge for it. Just like a Broadway play has a right to charge admission if someone wants to watch, if you snuck in the backdoor you could be punished just like if you pirated a movie.
Freeloading_Sponger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already said that I don't believe in intellectual property. A film (unless you mean literally the physical film), is just information. Information is not property, but if we want to define it as such, then suddenly I'm okay with stealing in some cases.
You make a loaf of bread, that's your property. I walk in, I take it, now I've got a loaf of bread, and you don't. That's stealing. You make a movie, I come in, steal all your copies, I've got a movie, and you don't. That's stealing. You make a movie, release it, some guy violates the agreement he made upon purchase to not distribute it on torrent sites, I come along, I download it from him, now I've got a movie, but you've still got the movie. There's nothing you had before I downloaded it that you no longer have as a consequence of my downloading it. That isn't stealing (aside from the fact that the word "stealing" has been misused for so long now that the dictionary actually changed the definition to include this).
I don't believe people have an inherent right to control the reproduction of information in the world simply because they originated it, and I don't believe information is property, therefore arguments to do with stealing, or anything else rooted in the idea of property rights don't enter in to the debate. If anybody wants to claim that people do have such rights, or that information is property, those are positive claims, and it's always up to the positive claimant to support their claims.
Distribution of a movie you've made is labor, and you have a right to charge for your labor and attach any conditions to that that you like, of course. So in practice, you make a movie, you keep it secretly on your hard drive, and then make people pay you $15 for it and agree to a contract saying they'll pay damages if they distribute it, all of that is fine. But the third party - in this example, me - who comes along and copies the movie from that person, without stealing anybody's property, or violating any contract they've entered in to, has done nothing wrong.
I'd be trespassing.
FuckinStopSayingThis ยท -106 points ยท Posted at 16:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Boibi ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 16:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No fuck you. I added more content to my comment than just the word this.
siccoblue ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Boibi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:18:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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temporalarcheologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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isthisonetakenaswell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant. Exactly this.
EckhartsLadder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you buy movies, right? All of them. They're easily available digitally.
anonymousQ_s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, either Amazon or Google Play.
Edit: though I don't buy many movies, just a few. I'm mostly content to watch what's available on my several subscription services. If you'll read my other replies you'll see my main issue is with how live sports are restricted.
Second edit: I should add two things: First, that I also borrow movies on DVD from the library which is legal and free. Second that I will watch something if it's on youtube though that's usually as a result of coming across documentaries. I'm sure there are often copyright issues involved with youtube but their takedown process is so aggressive if the owner cared it wouldn't be on youtube. And some of these things are up for ten years.
Rahmulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you're not, otherwise you wouldn't have added that analogy after it. That's exactly what asking price is. They offer it to you for their price. If you were willing to pay asking price, then you wouldn't have even made this comment.
anonymousQ_s ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:52:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point was much more about cable bundling. Like $150 a month for 300 channels I will never watch.
I watch live sports. MLB has a streaming service I pay $100 a year for. It's awesome EXCEPT they won't show in-market games. In Reno that means no Giants and no Athletics.
I also pay for various streaming services to watch NFL. Those include Playstation Vue and (this year) Amazon Prime. NFL blackouts are considerably worse than MLB. The literal only way to legally watch every game live is via Directv. Directv is an absolute rip-off. Without hyperbole, I would pay $500 a season for every NFL game in HD streaming.
SO, that was my point. Not all items are even offered for sale. Not unless you want the bloated and otherwise-useless contract.
Rahmulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand your point, but the problem you are talking about is that the price is too high. Not that the content doesn't exist. For example, I am a "striminal" when it comes to content that is not available on any paid stream site (I have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, HBO Now). If it is not available on any of those, and not available anywhere else for pay, then I check my local Family Video. If it's not there, I'll stream it. That's much closer to the content not being available than not being willing to pay $500 for football.
I completely understand not paying that much. It's outrageous. But you can't simply justify it by saying it's unavailable, because it's not. To be clear, you don't even need a justification. I was just pointing out that your justification isn't really accurate. Also, the NFL suspended their blackout policy three years ago.
anonymousQ_s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I WOULD pay $500 for a season of football, every game, pre and post season, in high def. "They" won't let me. The only way to legally get every game in HD is with some garbage Directv package plus pay extra for Sunday Ticket.
As for blackouts, for example, even though PS Vue has NFL Network the Thursday Night games are still blacked out.
I'll go even one step further and say it's not even the price so much as the contract. I don't want to sign up for 2 years, literally half of which I will not use at all. If I could turn it on during football and turn it off after the season I would not mind Directv. It's forcing me to pay for garbage I will never watch, most of which is 1/2 commercials, that I cannot abide.
2meterrichard ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 16:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You wouldn't download a house."
Fuck you I would, now hook up my oversized 3d printer.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go, it'll be ready tomorrow!
DontMentionWombats ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't shoot a policeman.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...
DontMentionWombats ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:22:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and then steal his helmet.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want that sicc badge personally
DontMentionWombats ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and then go to the toilet in his helmet.
usernmaetakn ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:51:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and then send it to the policeman's grieving widow
lord_ravenholm ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:09:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and then steal it again
Christoh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... Only to send it back again!
jbaker88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... to shit yet again into the helmet
Qui-Gon-Whiskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sick*
fuck_bestbuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dick*
M00glemuffins ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, here in Minneapolis they shoot you first even if you're a friendly dog or some mom in pajamas coming out to say hello.
nickcash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half the people in the thread are in on the joke, the other half aren't.
For the latter half
archer66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you shoot a wombat though?
DontMentionWombats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well no, but I bloody well wouldn't mention it either. Shh.
Pumpinator ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, I'd steal a car if I knew I wouldn't get caught, those fuckers are so expensive.
Then again, I am a "Striminal"
DougieFFC ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a gateway crime!
JoelMahon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And especially if I wasn't going to buy the car anyway unless I got it for basically free because I can always just go play a game, and in fact watching it for free makes me MUCH more likely to pay for it because I might like it and get the good quality version which I would never do without watching it first which I would never do without doing it for free it even if I couldn't watch anything else either for free.
bogidyboy ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy isn't a crime, it's a civil violation. There is a difference, and I'd take the RIAA a lot more seriously if they just acknowledged that.
Matapatapa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Difference?
bogidyboy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A crime is a crime no matter what. A civil violation is only a civil violation when you're found responsible for someone's loss/damage of civil assets (money, property, etc). In a criminal trial, you're proving whether or not a crime has in fact been committed. In a civil trial, it's not a question of whether or not they DID anything wrong, per se, but rather whether they should be held responsible for compensating the accusing party. If you ARE found guilty of a civil violation and don't pay them, then it does become a criminal defense after all.
the_42nd_reich ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you worked to make something, you wouldn't want to be paid for it? I myself only pirate/stream if I need to watch something really obscure or something that costs hundreds of dollars to import. For the rest, come on, the people making the films deserve the money.
MrPlaysWithSquirrels ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a lot of justification going on in this thread. If they live in a country where they can't pay for it, I get it. But otherwise they are just coming up with excuses. I pay for everything I watch. Sometimes I can't watch a show because I don't own that service, and that's okay. If a movie isn't good enough for me to pay to see it, I don't see it either. It isn't hard in America to financially support the content you like.
loomynartylenny ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if they are dead?
the_42nd_reich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then go ahead.
2brun4u ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, if it was a reasonable price I would pay for it, I pay for both Spotify and Netflix, and buy the odd album from BandCamp. If it's not on those sites, it's on the content maker for not mKing their product easily distributable
jmuzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never disagreed with that, which is why I have hardly done it since I was finally able to get a decent job and finished paying off my student loans. Before that though, hooo boy... The people making the films were really not getting what they deserved from me.
Matsyir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My justification for this, if you care, is that there are a shit ton of artists (not just music, think everything that is art) out there, doing it for the love of the art they create, and all they would like is for people to enjoy what they create, and the they even pay for services/tools while offering everything they do for free. I think marketing/money ruined the entire art industry. It's not about who can make the best music, or the best shows, or the best paintings, it's about who can advertise themselves the best (assuming the creation is at least decent). I cant completely speak for shows/movies, since they have a much bigger cost than making music does, but the same point applies.
the_42nd_reich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. You're basically killing any professional art/media with that argument. If I devote my time to making a movie, and spend money to make the movie (or spend time I could be working to write a book or make music), I'm going to need to get paid. Nobody would make movies if it meant just being happy with people enjoying your production. Your argument means that any producer of books, music etc. needs to work too besides his making art. I agree though that marketing did destroy the music industry, but you can't demand of people to put in hours and hours of their time (where they could be earning money in a paid job) for free.
Matsyir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess we just disagree then. I make music but I will never sell it because I just want anyone who wants to hear it to have easy access for free. I don't think any kind of access should be behind a paywall.
I'm sure there are many people out there that would love to make movies. That's the case with a lot of musicians and graphic artists. If you go to somewhere like soundcloud, there are thousands of very talented artists with tons of free content but have nearly no recognition compared to some less talented, very popular/mainstream artists (I don't include myself in this, I'm not that experienced yet). I imagine it's kind of the same thing in all art domains. Money can come from other places than the content itself though, like concerts, art galleries, theatres, donations (especially if you livestream/youtube, but even without).
FuujinSama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a writer to be: Yes, I'd want to be paid for it. No, I wouldn't bother if people wanted to not pay for it. I'd rather people enjoyed my books and shared the word. Not because marketing is good, but because I would write if I didn't expect to make a single cent. I simply want to share what's in my mind. If I get paid? That's good. If I don't? That sucks.
I agree, there should be a way for people to make money out of their creative work. However, that way shouldn't be paying for access to information. There are several alternatives presented and discussed at a google search's distance. I'll leave you with the relevant Wikipedia Article.
gryts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pay a reasonable price for it if it was slightly better than the free alternative.
barakokula31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people making the films aren't getting any money, they've already been paid. The only ones profiting are their employers.
Billagio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially that last sentence. The vast majority of stuff I've pirated is stuff I would have never paid for. They need to stop acting like every download is lost revenue when that's not nearly true
basslay3r1 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 15:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people who actually made the car were already paid all they will be for their labor, so the only part of the production process that is losing out is the part that contributed nothing material to the creation of the vehicle.
frotc914 ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 15:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhhh that's pretty crap logic. It's like saying "the lab researchers already got paid when they discovered this medicine, egro I should be able to have it for free." You're repaying the investment and/or funding the next project that they do.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 16:16:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah piracy isn't really "right," there's too much justification going on. Just accept that you're poor and don't want to have to pay the often outlandish prices for entertainment.
edit: i don't recall asking to hear your justifications. i don't give a shit
frotc914 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real. I steal media a bit too but I'm not going to pretend I'm fucking Robin Hood or that I'm entitled to it.
mrthescientist ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. I'm trying to stop pirating stuff because I care about creators. That aside, there's plenty of properties I've bought only because I had the opportunity to pirate it.
funnynickname ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I never would have paid for it in the first place, I don't lose any sleep over it.
HanSoloBolo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that you don't care about supporting the industry. Some people honestly don't and that's fine, but it's weird to be on some high horse about why you pirate movies.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I say. Just admit that you think the industry will survive without you. That's fine, you're probably right.
Chieres ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Image of anyone involved in the show business doesn't help either.
Instagram posts of "starving" celebrities on their private yachts make it quite difficult to empathize.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celebrities aren't the ones who need to get paid. They'll manage.
Dissentient ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pay money for what piracy offers me and I wouldn't use legal streams for video content even if all of them were free.
It's not just the price, it's also convenience of having everything in one place, being able to use any media player I want and having video files that I can conveniently hoard.
That's ignoring the fact that Netflix has 12% of the US library in my country, and plenty of video services with their exclusive shows are completely unavailable.
GoatForSale ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:47:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or live in a region it isn't easily accessible due to technology, price or policy.
fuck_bestbuy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you live in one of those regions? No? Then it isn't really your place to use that as an excuse. Just pirate your shit and go on with life
IellaAntilles ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us actually do live in those regions, so...
fuck_bestbuy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then congrats, you actually do have a justification.
FuujinSama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what you're really arguing. ''Pirating is bad and you shouldn't make ''excuses''?"
That seems to be your premise but I fail to see a justification for why you believe that.
Because I do pirate my shit and go on with my life. Yet I do live in moral tranquility with my actions. If I pretended there WASN'T a justification, then I'd either be an hypocrite or place a low regard on my morals.
As I don't assume to be either, I do have a justification for why I do such things as ''pirate'' media. It would be worse if I didn't. If I honestly thought what I was doing was horrible and hurting society yet I did it anyway out of convenience or greed.
In fact, I have several reasons:
The Euro zone is often treated as a unified pricing region. Cost of living (and thus wages) aren't at all unified. Thus media is simply overpriced. 60โฌ is a heck of a lot when the minimum wage is 500โฌ and when you're essentially paying double for no good reason, a piracy is a bigger form of protest than a boycott, since I assume media companies are assessing losses from piracy.
You're not denying anyone of their property. The reason I don't steal cars is not because it's illegal, although that helps. It's not because it's immoral, as if morality was an applause light that justified my decisions without further pondering. It's because someone would be left without a car that they paid and need. Someone would take a loss from my actions. Insurance does trick me here. For insurances don't actually lose something when you steal cars, they've already calculated their expected profit accounting for the risk of the car being stolen. And even if they did lose something they're not at risk of going bankrupt so no one person would personally be affected besides stock holders, which are highly unlikely to take any grievance from the very tiny hit besides the simple pain of loss. So if I was being congruent, I shouldn't feel it is bad to rob insured automobiles, so long as it wouldn't increase the robbed person's rating or cause her the trouble of getting a replacement car and transportation to get said car and all the headaches of dealing with the insurance company. That actually seems fine with me.
And this is important for me, even if it isn't a moral issue. If the police took striminals as seriously as criminals I wouldn't pirate shit. I'd be scared shitless of going to jail. So the fact that I can't get away with it pays a role in why I do it. Yet it's not part of my moral decision to steal or not to steal. If I could steal a car in a way that no reasonable loss (more than 10 cents or 10 seconds of their time) would hit any individual person and I could guarantee I wouldn't get arrested? I'd still the shit out of that car with no qualms. Heck, my premises guaranteed that there would be no downsides. I'd call myself stupid if I didn't steal that car, unless I felt like rewarding the manufacturer with my money, out of my own volition, I'd steal it. Buying it would feel more like a donation than a necessary step to acquiring the car, since stealing it would give me the exact same benefits and no downsides to anyone.
The stolen profit argument fails to be relevant when I didn't intend to consume the media at the price offered. I see a game. It costs 70โฌ. I say ''I can't afford that I can't buy it.'' I move on with my life. I repeat the same steps, except I pirate the game and play it. I like it I discuss it with my friends. Which is more beneficial to the company? I'd guess the second one.
I can't see any real harm in this sort of behavior and I'd love if someone could show it to me. However, that argument admits to a high horse I don't ride. I often pirate shit I could afford. I wouldn't buy them without ''trying'' first and seeing if I liked, yet that might as well be the culture of pirating influencing my decisions. I might be more willing to pay to try the media if pirating wasn't a thing. Yet, very often I've tried a series. Liked it a lot. And then proceeded to buy all the hardcovers for my collection, and speak about it ad nauseum until friends did the same. Other times I did try and didn't like. And it's hard to regret not wasting money on something I didn't like.
We used to have libraries to read books without paying. This hardly feels differently except for a much better selection than my local library.
You might argue ''yet, if everyone pirated, creators would lose their profit revenue and would stop creating.''
For starters I'll say that creators wouldn't stop creating if their revenue stopped. Plenty of writers write for free. Some of my favorite works of fiction(Worm, Ra, HPMOR) and non-fiction (Rationality: From AI to Zombies) were offered for me to read. And the quality is absolutely fantastic.
Yet that's not the point. The point is that if we love art, we should love to see the artists remunerated, and that's the whole point of copyright law. Or should be. And I'll concede to that. Although I wonder if copyright law is the answer to that specific predicament. I'm sure all the great minds in our world could make something better for both the creator and the consumer than copyright law.
I'll give a different argument instead, that I hope is enough. The truth is, if what I did influenced what everyone else in the world would do to a significant degree, I would do many things differently. However, it doesn't take much to see how fantastic a super power that would be. Complete influence over all man-kind. I don't have it. Whether I pirate or not pirate is unlikely to contribute to the overall percentage of pirates. And while this sort of apathy is what every single pirate is thinking, it doesn't cease to be true for each individual. If they stopped pirating the rest of the pirates wouldn't stop as well. Piracy would still be a thing. And every pirate would still do it for reasons akin to all my previous bullet points.
Returning to the analogy of stealing cars with perfect insurance. The truth is that if no one stole at all, the risk of stealing wouldn't exist and people wouldn't need to pay insurance regularly.
However, after stealing ALREADY exists and companies and people alike are ALREADY paying for insurance basing my decisions on a world where they DON'T is entirely irrational. Wishing it doesn't make it so and we have to make our decisions based on our reality, not on how things would be in an ideal world.
I might wish we lived in a world where workers surplus value isn't amassed by owners of the property the workers depend upon to do said work [whether we call this world communist or alrabestic is completely irrelevant to me], yet I'm not gonna make my decisions as if that was already the case. I'm not going to deny the opportunity to fund a company, explore employers surplus value and live a much more comfortable life because ''ideally'' I wouldn't have said power. That's lunacy. Instead, I wish I'd use said power to make the world closer to my ideal world as I possibly can using the resources I gained by following the real rules of the world at my disposal.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever you've gotta do friend, I don't give a shit. Fact is you aren't entitled to media unless you pay for it through legally acceptable means. But you want to consume media and don't want to go through the hoops, I get that. That's just the way it is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes there are no legal hoops. For a long time shows like GoT wouldn't air for weeks or month after the English release and also not with the original synchronization in Germany. Some shows are not available for years. So I go through even more hoops than sitting on my couch and subscribing to yet another channel which doesn't even air the show in time.
On some sites the subtitles for GoT have been downloaded a couple thousand times only minutes after the airing finished in the US. Which indicates how freaking many people pirate this show. For GoT they slowly pick up what the consumer wants at least and offer the show for around ~3-4โฌ per episode on demand one day after. As long as pirating is cheaper (~10โฌ/month) and more convenient, it will stay the same. Music portraying basically died with the creation of Spotify and I doubt he licensing in the music industry is much easier than in the movie industry.
Another stupid example. Sometimes I want to watch a show on amazon prime but they don't provide the English subtitles. What do I do? I think you can guess by now.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've got a good excuse. I'm talking about middle class Americans, not you. Still though, you aren't entitled to media. I mean I like to think we are but that just isn't true.
GoatForSale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Netflix and Amazon video actually. I may pirate other content but I also buy alot off Blu-ray sets for shows I like.
It's the reality of the market, if you aren't going to provide the content when and how striminals want it than they will pirate it. The problem lies with distribution and publishing deals and less with the end consumer.
frotc914 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:53:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol "If you don't sell cars cheap enough, people will keep stealing them! It's really a problem more with auto distributors than the end consumer/thief".
So you pay for Amazon Prime, right? Then you could literally have basically any bit of media ever within a couple days. You just don't want to pay for it.
ThePokyLittlePuppy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still easier to pirate a lot of shows and movies than it is to get them through illegal means. Like, if it's not on Netflix I have to figure out where I could buy it from...or I can just go to pirate bay.
I haven't downloaded game torrents in ages because of steam. There needs to be a similar platform for video offered by cable companies for a reasonable price.
SlutBuster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best edit ever.
Deckkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for pretty much all my movies. But when I see all these stories about hollywood accounting I have a hard time feeling morally obligated to do right by these companies.
WikiTextBot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hollywood accounting
Hollywood accounting (also known as Hollywood bookkeeping) refers to the opaque or creative accounting methods used by the film, video, and television industry to budget and record profits for film projects. Expenditures can be inflated to reduce or eliminate the reported profit of the project, thereby reducing the amount which the corporation must pay in taxes and royalties or other profit-sharing agreements, as these are based on the net profit.
Hollywood accounting gets its name from its prevalence in the entertainment industryโthat is, in the movie studios of Hollywood at a time when most studios were located in Hollywood. Those affected can include writers and actors.
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fuck_bestbuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then start pirating. It's not right but I doubt it'll prevent you getting absolution.
remain_calm ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:15:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The lab researchers already got paid when they discovered this medicine, ergo all future value derived from their labor belong to me" - the lab researchers boss.
frotc914 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the lab researcher's boss paid them to do research even if they never discovered a marketable medicine, so...yes?
Pickledsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the boss would have nothing to market if he didn't pay researchers to research, so...no?
frotc914 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand your point. The "boss" did pay them in this scenario. And if he didn't, the researchers would have fancy degrees and nothing of value nor any food to eat. That's why they enter into a mutually beneficial agreement. The business takes on the risk, agrees to pay them regardless of whether they make a marketable drug or not, and gets the majority of the reward. They also pay for the materials, lab space, and all the thousands of support staff it takes to legally sell a single pill.
Pickledsoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with that logic i'll just tie someone up, throw them in my basement and pay them a penny every day.
its alright because i paid them, and its mutually beneficial because he gets to not be chopped up into little pieces like planned, and i get a slave.
just because its technically true, doesn't mean its even close to fair.
SushiGato ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:24:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the case of lab research they probably agree to that when hired. If they don't want it that way they can fund their own lab.
remain_calm ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you don't want to forfeit the surplus value of your labor? Why haven't you tried being rich then?
lolol42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You agree to work at a rate $x/hour. Not for $x/hour plus a percent of all future potential earnings.
temporalarcheologist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey you commie fucker I'm proud of my $0.02 raise
MelissaClick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, everybody who made digital content agreed to make digital content in a world where it's easily copied.
FuujinSama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can't, because their boss doesn't pay them enough for them to save enough to buy a new lab. Why would that even be a reasonable option when most people don't have the resources to fund their own lab?
That argument is very strange.
SushiGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:03 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Welcome to capitalism.
Stenwalden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The boss paid for their equipment, salary and other costs. Stop using retard logic.
LiveOnSteak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For any other industry I'd agree with you, but media producers don't need investment money. I'm pretty sure the major companies could release every movie for free for the next 40 years and still be in the black.
frotc914 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Merck and pfizer aren't exactly begging for change either. Generally something isn't determined to be theft based on how much money the 'victim' has.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's... that's not how theft works.
FuujinSama ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legally they don't. Morally it differs from person to person. Specially when the 'victim' is a corporation and no particular individual would actually be left ''hurting''.
And when legality isn't enforced (as in piracy cases) then morality is all that will restrain people from not upholding the law. And some people don't have in their moral code to follow the letter of the law when it contradicts their own moral code.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the lab people and the manufacturers, the third party sellers like walgreens would suffer.
Pickledsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats why drugs get a grace period where there are no generics for that drug.
murder1 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say financial contributions are fairly important and they are trying to get a return on that investment.
basslay3r1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Investing isn't labor. Investments, when it isn't just part of a rent seeking scheme in which capital moves to collect interests, at best can conscript the labor of someone else.
murder1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But no one would be producing this media you want to consume (at least not at these production values) if they weren't getting money back on their investment.
EmberMelodica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the final inspection and pack out department for a company that makes wheels for cars. We don't add physical value to the wheel, so if we exceed expectations in our production output, we get a pat on the back, while the department before us would get food parties and other like bonuses.
Ok, we don't add physical value to the wheel, but we make sure other departments didn't screw up the wheel before shipping and we pack the wheels so they can be shipped!
This argument that you have to add something material to not lose out makes me mad...
shitterplug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're stealing it from the dealership...
jiminiminimini ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. He is replicating the cars at the dealership and rides home with the replica. The dealer still has the same number of cars at his shop. Dealer is still able to sell those. Striminal is not even stealing his customers.
shitterplug ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Justify it how you want. You're using a service and not paying for it.
loomynartylenny ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the service itself isn't a paid service?
What if the service that is paid for isn't available in your region, but the free alternatives are available?
Gameguru08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is fine if you can't access the content where you are at. I pirate stuff for services that I use but have region locks on content.
shitterplug ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, again, justify it how you want. But those hacked fire sticks you're using are pretty clearly stealing content.
verylobsterlike ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:58:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep saying stealing, but no stealing is going on. It's copyright infringement, not stealing. Stealing is theft; a different crime.
Theft is wrong and illegal not because someone is getting something for free, but because something is being taken away from someone and they no longer have it.
shitterplug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have permission to access the data, the second it goes to your computer/fire stick/etc, it's stealing.
Change the definition if you want. Or don't. It doesn't matter. You didn't pay for it, the developer doesn't want you to have it, you're not entitled to shit. I torrent just about everything, but I'm not in denial about the morality of it. If I steal something from a store, I know I'm stealing it. This shit is no different.
verylobsterlike ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not changing any definitions here, you are. Legally, copyright infringement is a completely different thing, unrelated to stealing. Hell, if you're not doing it for profit, it's not even a crime, it's a civil infraction. Hell, here in Canada, only distributing copyrighted content (torrenting for example) is illegal, so as long as you're only receiving it (streaming), not distributing it, it's completely legal. Stealing something from a store is something completely different, and it's definitely illegal, regardless of the circumstances, everywhere in the world.
Is watching OTA TV with an antenna stealing? What if you had a really big antenna and could watch OTA TV from the other side of the world? Is it harming anyone? Is anyone being deprived of anything? Would I watch these shows if I had to pay for them? Probably not. Do I even have the option to pay for these shows if I wanted to? In a lot of cases, no. So, who's exactly losing anything here? They aren't missing property they owned, they aren't missing a sale because I couldn't or wouldn't have bought it otherwise. Is it immoral? Maybe? In any case it's definitely not theft. It's something different, and you can't just apply blanket statements like "You're stealing!" to the situation. There's more nuance than that.
Makkaboosh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Billions have been spent lobbying and governments still don't call it stealing. It's copyright infringement and it's very different from theft.
loomynartylenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bring fire sticks into this argument. They haven't stolen any long numbers in root 2 from any media companies; they still have their really long numbers in root 2.
They may have also cloned a bar of chocolate from a chocolate factory, and then given out the cloned bars for people to eat free, but the bar of chocolate itself hadn't been stolen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Geisterjager ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using air and not paying for it. I am the worst.
shitterplug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is air a paid service? Unless you're stealing scuba tanks, that comparison isn't even compatible with this argument. Lol, the mental gymnastics are incredible.
Geisterjager ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, getting Lars Ulrich here so buttmad. Math is a paid service? 1s and 0s now trademarked, copyrighted and patented.
intercede007 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO need the air you expel to fund future content and to support the infrastructure to pump that air to you. They turn the resource you provide into different types of air for you to try and to make more of the air you already like.
Expelled air has funded The Sopranos, Generation Kill, Band of Brothers, Game of Thrones, Deadwood, Westworld, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Oz, Last Week Tonight, and many many others.
That's the agreement you enter into when you decide to consume their air - you give them something in return. Otherwise you're just being selfish and taking yours without giving some back in return to support the effort.
Geisterjager ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's wrong to be selfish?
(Also, I have an active Satellite subscription, including HBO, Starz, all that shit and Netflix, Hulu, XM Radio subs. I just like to download obscure shit no one is even offering for sale anymore. Game of Thrones isn't going to get cancelled because I downloaded a non-greenlit pilot.)
intercede007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's wrong to only take when the entire apparatus is built on reciprocation in order to sustain production.
Good for you for being a subscriber. "You" on this case was a general statement about the subject of the thread and the taking of an item some view as digestible with no downside for failure to contribute.
Geisterjager ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idealist systemization of how it should work would be great if the reality wasn't responsibility-free anarcho-egoism for the rich, and duty/obligation for the non-rich.
intercede007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fuck all that. It's not a free service. Help out and support the creation and distribution of the content or consume something else that you can support or doesn't need it.
BillyEffingMays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright how about this. I have a box of VHS and DVD, they have every popular movie and tv show in them, and i got them all from a friend. Im going to pass these down to my kids, or someone else. Is this illegal? do you want me to feel guilty for this? What about when your parents were paying for cable or rented movies, hope you didn't sneak a peak or thats pirating. Hope you didn't watch cable at your friends/grandparents/anywhere you didnt pay for it cause that makes you a criminal.
jiminiminimini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm simply pointing out that it is different from stealing an actual, physical object, thereby depriving the owner of said object. It is like taking a photo of Mona Lisa and hanging it on your wall, as apposed to actually stealing the original. It might or might not be immoral, it should or should not be a crime. This a recent problem without a simple solution.
Knabepicer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But a picture of the Mona Lisa is objectively different and distinguishable from the original thing. A more accurate analogy would be scanning the Mona Lisa and then 3D printing a perfect copy.
jiminiminimini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
TheGriffin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about a second hand private deal?
CWSwapigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that supposed to be an analogy to entertainment? Becuase that's not how entertainment works. On-screen talent gets paid based on sales/viewings/etc.
Yousif_man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You wouldn't steal a car"
Well, yeah, I might. You know, if
the value of the car was under $50; and the owner didn't lose any actual property, just the opportunity to sell me the car; andthere was almost no chance I'd get caught; and it was so widely practiced that it was generally considered socially acceptable by all of my friends. If all of those things were true, then yeah, I probably would steal a car. Especially if I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if I couldn't easily steal it.All that other stuff doesnโt matter, if i could steal a car right now and be 100% sure i wouldnโt get caught, i wouldnโt think twice about it.
CWSwapigans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blah, blah, blah.
Most people in this thread would pirate a car in a second if it were easy and they were very likely to get away with it.
A whole culture would sprout up to explain all the reasons that car manufacturers are terrible businesses that deserve it.
Roflkopt3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is capitalism in action.
For people to make money, their product must be sparse. You cannot sell something abundant like air (well, unless you slap a fancy label on it and find idiots with too much money). And most things were sparse in some way. A bread can only be (properly...) eaten once, and for a book it gets very complicated to copy it so you can at most read it one after the other.
Digital technology is at odds with that. There is practically no extra cost to copying a movie or muic album a couple thousand times.
Decades ago people hoped that this would exactly lead to the end of scarcity based economics. But instead we decided to enforce capitalism since we didn't adopt any alternative model of rewarding content creators, and we did it by making digital good artificially sparse through DRM techniques.
It's truly absurd, and has become a major factor in supporting the unprecedented financial inequality in the world.
Jenaxu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more accurate analogy would be "would you steal a ride on the subway"
CreedDidNothingWrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we've read the same Dilbert strip
Udontlikecake ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:29:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you people just admit that piracy is stealing and that you're stealing?
Like if you want to do it fine, but don't hide behind shitty and flimsy justification. You're still stealing.
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ItsAMeEric ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't it the website creator that is streaming the copyrighted material and possibly making money off of add revenue the one that is committing the copyright infringement and not the visitor to the website? The viewer is not publishing or profiting off of the material, so I am not sure they are even violating those laws.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with downloading torrents. You can download as many torrents as you want but as soon as you start seeding you're in risky territory. I had seeding turned off for a long time (bad form, I know) and downloaded probably a hundred albums without any issues. Then one day something happened and seeding got turned on and I uploaded a music file that was being monitored so my cable company slowed down my internet and made me get rid of uTorrent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out you're right. I misunderstood when I heard torrents aren't inherently illegal, but if the content is copyrighted it's indeed illegal to download. Thanks for calling me out!
Udontlikecake ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:08:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is pirating an indie dev's game not stealing?
They worked on it, and you took it and provided no payment.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Udontlikecake ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he missing out on a sale and you took something that doesn't belong to you.
You can play the semantics game all you want, but at the end of the day, someone loses money, and you get something that you shouldn't own
BrownNote ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I walk into a store and tell someone that's about to buy something that the products suck, have I stolen something from that store? I've caused the owner to lose out on a potential sale, so by your definition I've stolen.
That's why that logic makes no sense. I can do a million things that cause a loss of a potential sale, that doesn't mean doing that is stealing. Also I didn't take anything, the person who created it still owns it. I made a copy without following the agreement the creator made, that's why it's copyright infringement.
Vauxlient4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not stealing that's copyright infringement dumbass
HimmicaneDavid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean he's not losing money he's losing the potential for a sale. I sometimes pirate games to see if I like them then I buy them on steam. I'm always gonna do that after no man's sky. Not gonna get fucked by a lying indie dev again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CJ_Guns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt that kind of a cop out though? โYeah, I totally wouldnโt have legally bought this, guysโ after youโve already consumed it. Like you only get to justify it.
If Iโm not sure Iโll like something, I just donโt watch/play it until maybe itโs more convenient (like it comes to Netflix or something). What gives me the right to consume media that is charged for, when I can simply avoid consuming it?
er_red ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's talking about "rights", it's about "potential for sale" which is presuming that if you can't consume media illegally, you would buy it guaranteed instead of simply avoiding it.
GX6ACE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, by that logic, if I never downloaded the game, and never was going to buy the game in the first place, are they still in a loss? I wasn't going to buy it previously to downloading, but now that I like it, I may buy it. But you cannot be losing something if the original purchase was never there in the first place.
Knabepicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so do you have complete 100% proof that there was no way you would ever buy that game? Even if a bunch of your friends gush to you about how good it is? Even if it went on sale?
Makkaboosh ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not stealing. These companies have spent billions and it's still not classified as theft. It's copyright infringement.
If you're asking people to be honest with themselves, then you need to do the same. Hell, in a lot of countries it's not even a criminal matter, it's civil. So it's in a completely different ballpark from theft.
MelissaClick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not stealing because copying is very different from stealing. When you steal something, the owner is deprived of the thing. When you copy something, the owner is not deprived of the thing.
That's why the law about copyright is completely different from the law about stealing. For example you can't legally steal something just because the owner has owned it for over 100 years and therefore they've owned it long enough.
temporalarcheologist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how is it more stealing than letting your friend borrow your VHS copy of the lion king? copyright law isn't great in it's current form and there's no limit on how long they can keep the property for. Im pretty sure it was established in the first place to make sure there weren't 100 people claiming to make the same product like if Sam's cola rebranded as koka-kola
Knabepicer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LlewelynMoss1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They won't.
CreedDidNothingWrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok first off, no, unauthorized downloading is not "stealing." It's indirect copyright infringement. But you know, semantics, right?
Second, I never said it wasn't, my point was that that comparing "stealing" a non-rival good to stealing a regular one is kind of stupid.
But if you want to get into it, there really is a difference between copyright infringement and theft: they have different sets of concerns underlying them (though sometimes these concerns do overlap). The idea behind creating and protecting the concept of "intellectual property" is to create an artificial monopoly in order to compensate artists and inventors for their contributions to society. We do this both out of a sense of fundamental fairness, and more importantly to incentivize the promotion of the arts and sciences.
Ideally the level of IP protection would be just enough to accomplish these twin goals and no more, because anything beyond that is an unnecessary monopoly. I believe most any impartial economist familiar with IP issues would tell you that IP protection levels in the US have been ratcheted up to a supra-optimal level through special interest capture of legislators.
Personally I don't illegally download, but then again I also don't use illegal drugs. That's just me. I don't really do illegal stuff. But I think either of those things, while technically illegal, could be done in such a way as to not really present much of a moral problem.
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You wouldn't download a car"
GoatButtholes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo I stream and pirate all the time too but don't try to justify it man. It doesn't matter how much it costs or if the person actually loses something or not. It's flat out wrong but we do it cause we are cheap / broke
BlueHighwindz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the car's value was $50,000 and I was ruining somebody's life, I'd probably still very much consider stealing that car if there were no consequences.
FI27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just pirate and go on with your life man.
When is reddit finally going to stop trying to justify pirating. I pirated a few GoT seasons but I'm not going to act like I was in the right while doing it because I wasn't.
temporalarcheologist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not saying it's morally right but aren't the seasons all almost $30 each on iTunes or whatever?
FI27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah hbo series are expensive, I got a deal on my television now so I can watch all hbo series in my tb package, if I didn't I'd pirate them for sure but that doesn't make it right. And I wouldn't go here on reddit to make me feel morally justified.
Feinberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the most important part: Streaming isn't actually illegal. You're not keeping the car, you're just using it as needed. While the people enabling you to use the car could be on the hook for some legal problems, you're not breaking any laws by using it.
So, 'strime' is technically not a crime.
NorseTikiBar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Because fuck content creators and intellectual property, I'm cheap." - you, basically
WentoX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:31:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even stealing, your friend bought the car, looked at it, and then built another one just like it, and the car dealer is pissed that you got a car they're selling which you didn't pay for.
RadicalArmRest ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:49:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yargh im a pirate
DonQuixole ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:19:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the new term is spirate.
flee_market ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YA BEST START BELIEVIN IN GHOST STORIES MISS TURNER
Wehavecrashed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay the iron price.
RadicalArmRest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$19.95 plus shipping and handling?
Wehavecrashed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the gold price. I take what is mine, I pay the iron price.
BlackCow ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 15:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, what am I supposed to do when the thing I want to watch isn't on Netflix or Amazon video? Bit Torrent and Plex got my back.
minisaladfresh ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt bad torrenting Atlanta because I love Donald Glover and want to support him, but it was never broadcast on tv here in the UK, isn't available on Netflix or Amazon, and isn't even available on DVD or Blu-Ray for fuck sake.
If you make it this fucking difficult for me to pay for it of course I'm gonna fucking download it illegally you dumb fucks.
phedre ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 16:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I subscribe to Netflix, Amazon Prime, OutTVGo, and Spotify. I buy music and shows/movies on iTunes. But I can't legally pay to watch Game of Thrones in Canada except to pay $70/month minimum for a cable bill, plus a $150 "no contract" fee and a $50 initial sign up fee.
Guess how I watch GoT.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:48:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phedre ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phedre ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I can't find a way to legally watch GoT online, so yarr matey.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phedre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I used to pirate EVERYTHING - music, movies, tv shows, books. Now it's easier to buy music on itunes or stream it on Spotify. Books? I have a kindle. Movies and tv? It's sooo much more convenient to stream on netflix or another on demand service.
But if you make me jump through hoops, it only takes an extra few minutes to fire up my torrent client.
InvaderChin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't know about livestreams.
phedre ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Livestreams are unreliable, and sketchy. They're my method of last resort with how littered with popups and ads they are.
Christoh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You paid $270, didn't you?
phedre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, totally.
E5150_Julian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You drive across the border every Sunday at 9pm eastern time?
SirApatosaurus ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 15:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly why are young people who either have low paying jobs or are students and can barely afford to survive day to day life not spending more than they budget for groceries on a service to watch a single program that they can't get otherwise because of dumb exclusivity agreements?
nospr2 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, I already feel that going to the theater once a week is already as expensive as it needs to be, I'm not going to go and pay double the cost of a movie ticket to buy someone on blu-ray.
SirApatosaurus ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 16:16:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theatre once a week?
When I was at uni I had to live off ยฃ10 a week, that's not even an adult ticket here.
Nighshade586 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I go to the discount movies on Tuesdays. It's like $5 a ticket, and I get to go out and have fun.
nospr2 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back when I was in uni, there was a local theater that had $2 Tuesdays.
2brun4u ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toonie Tuesdays! I miss those days
Pickledsoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hello fellow canadian
Sparkdust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:07 on September 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have those at a theatre in my city. Old, mediocre movies and small theatre, but I don't mind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SirApatosaurus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because in the UK government assistance is based on your parents salary.
And I got nothing from them. So I'd have to spend most of the summer working 50 hour weeks and then that plus student loans just about allowed me to scrape through.
Scarbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Blu-Ray disc can hold an entire person?
TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if you can only spend money on 1 thing. It a device like a computer or a console that you can play the same game for 6mo to a year. Itโs a cheap hobby unlike cable TV & tons of other premium content.
SecureThoughObscure ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:35:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I tried signing up for Amazon they said "Fuck you, you're not American! We don't want your money!".
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:05:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They want your money, I promise you that, but licensing issues prevent it... Overall, the way licensing is handled probably needs an overhaul.
XXX-XXX-XXX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bit torrent is still alive?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Infraction94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
qbittorrent is great. Switched to it after ads in utorrent were being flagged by windows defender and have had zero issues since
thatshitsfunny247 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android app is awful, but the android webui is nice.
Flud is great though for android.
The_EA_Nazi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Triblr is a great experimental client for anyone wanting to try something new
crazedpickles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alive and kickin, but the download for me came with a program that added ads to your desktop, but malawarebytes took care of it.
__FilthyFingers__ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's usually a pre-checked checkbox during install that you can uncheck to not install their adware.
crazedpickles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:49:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just spammed straight through thatโฆ
Gameguru08 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rookie mistake.
CraftyFellow_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deluge.
http://www.deluge-torrent.org/
crazedpickles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't torrent anymore, at least for as long as Fallout 4 tills me over, but will give it a look if I ever do again.
BlackCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still alive but I think it's harder now.
If you torrent from your home internet connection on a public tracker you will likely get a letter from your ISP informing you that you were caught and if you keep it up they will cancel your internet service.
So people have to use seed boxes or VPNs, usually hosted in the netherlands, and private trackers to stay under the radar.
Flynamic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix, Amazon video, and even Sky. Some of the shows I watch are not available there, and if they do get them some time, it's way too late one year after release. There is literally no way to legally obtain some content in my country because I, for example, can't have American cable TV. And I don't want to pay 30โฌ on iTunes for one fucking season.
CharlestonChewbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost anything can be streamed through some service.
InsanityRequiem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you supposed to do? Be a proper consumer and not watch it.
NinjaLanternShark ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is watching that thing you want to watch some kind of guaranteed human right?
If something you want isn't available or isn't affordable, go want something else. How hard is that?
BlackCow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did I ever say it was a human right or are you just trying to be rediculous?
Harder than just torrenting it and throwing it on my plex server so me and my friends can all watch it.
I'm not trying to be cheap. I pay for three different streaming services but not everything I want is available through them such as old TV shows or foreign shows.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You asked "what am I supposed to do" as if, someone was preventing you from accessing something you deserved.
BlackCow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I give a fuck if there is no legal alternative for me but to torrent? What is choosing to not watch that old movie or foreign show going to accomplish?
Like go ahead and be a white knight if that makes you feel good. Maybe they could put that on your epitaph, "RIP NinjaLanternShark - Never downloaded anything. An hero."
I think I'll go with this.
InvaderChin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing he wants is available.
InsanityRequiem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isnโt, BlackCow explicitly stated it wasnโt available, so he chose to pirate. Basically be a shit.
If he were not a shit, heโd vote with his wallet and not watch it at all.
BlackCow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does me not watching it do? A lot of the stuff I torrent is either Canadian or UK shows or really old shows or movies that I couldn't possibly pay for if I tried. Get off your high horse.
yamorii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching it and not paying for it seems like an even more impactful vote.
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should he? They get the same amount of money if he doesn't watch it as if he watched illegally.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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7orontoRS ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 15:14:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, but who are the 9% who are pirating videos then paying for them?
pbjork ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, its 60% of the 69% or 41.4% of young millennials.
droans ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:40:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what is that 60 percent? Are they counting sharing Netflix subscriptions or something?
Shuriken66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than likely.
CWSwapigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are lots and lots of streaming pirate sites now. E.g. popcorntime.
Davethe3rd ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 15:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do.
It's called "supporting the artist".
I see no problem in watching something "for free" the first time, then, if I really like it, paying for it legitimately.
burnSMACKER ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's always my plan but I never get around to paying ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ /s
Aikidi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't afford to do this with a lot of things, but I definitely bought the Rick & Morty bluray for instance because I watched the downloads like 100 times and wanted commentary tracks.
GoatForSale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I may stream something like GoT when it gets released each week. I also have all the blurays when they get released. I however and not subbing to hbo go or wtv it is.
Raggak ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's saying that 60% stream, and 9% use other methods, like torrents?
I_took_the_blue-pill ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:32:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's 60% of 69% who use streaming, so like 44% or so
FirelordHeisenberg ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any way to know if this is accurate? I know anti-piracy agents like to pull statistics out of their asses, so I'd be skeptical anyway, but that sounds like a lot less people torrenting than I'd expect.
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not saying that the people who use streaming don't also use torrents. So it doesn't put any limit on the number using torrents. It only puts a limit on the number using streaming.
WTK55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I try to. But unfortunately I'm broke 99% of the time so its kind of hard. :/
thatshitsfunny247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do that with games, especially if the online is worth playing.
Only time I haven't was with Firewatch. Sorry, but that game is not $20. It was over in less than 3 hours. I'll pick it up on a steam sale though.
klethra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when The Avengers came out in theaters after being leaked? Tons of people liked it so much they went to theaters to watch it again.
CWSwapigans ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Follow-up article. Young millennials continue to struggle with basic math.
[deleted] ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 15:59:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite movie, Felidae, is only available on region 2 DVD. I live in region 1. It pisses me off to no end that I can't buy a DVD of my favorite movie of all time because some scrodshitting fucknugget decided to split up the world so that certain DVDs only work in certain countries.
So now, whenever I wanna watch Felidae. I have no choice but to stream it.
its_debatable ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not on the pirating topic, but some online stores sell region-free bluray/DVD players which you would find pretty helpful.
[deleted] ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 15:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet 100% of internet users use pirated content in one way or another, but most have no idea. We're all just a ship of striminals!
Shuriken66 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:29:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean my midget porn might have been downloaded without the creators consent?
Christoh ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you send me a link I'll check it out for you.
Obewoop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe someone somewhere is dealing bootleg DVDs somehow
Shuriken66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those monsters!
Schmetterlingus ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 18:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister, who always gave me shit for downloading music and shows/movies, was using popcorn time and didn't know it was illegal...like how the hell would that be legal?
Triton_330 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you rub it in her face?
Schmetterlingus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just let her know she's stealing shit too and she'll be the one to get caught, not using a vpn
teamshred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only time I ever got an isp warning was from popcorn time. Sticking to private torrent sites never had an issue.
temporalarcheologist ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:05:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean by copyright laws watching clips on YouTube is sort of piracy because apparently fair use doesn't exist
anal__disaster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip movieclips
xian0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copy that premium article into Pastebin, mirror that unlicensed video etc.
ApostateAardwolf ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a pizza!
Yes I fucking well would, I could solve world hunger
loomynartylenny ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, you would copy and paste the pizza.
assuming its a good quality pizza.
ApostateAardwolf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you'd download it first then copy paste away world hunger
Nakstrani ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also copy pasta if I could. :)
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It mostly comes down to shitty distribution. Like in The Netherlands, getting Amazon Prime is dumb to do but I do want to watch The Grand Tour, therefore I pirate episodes.
Max_Thunder ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:42:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that Amazon Prime is so shitty in Canada too. I'm already paying for unlimited cloud storage, so I could not care less about the unlimited photo storage that comes with it. Now if only I could bundle with the unlimited cloud storage, like instead of paying $60 a year, I'd pay $100 a year and get both storage and Prime, then I would consider Prime, but ain't no way I'm paying $80 for Prime when all it gives me is possibly a series or two I may watch (I already have more to watch than I have time to watch) and saving a day or two on shipping.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have missed my point. My point is that it sucks to pay for Amazon Prime (A service only useful in America) in a country where they practically don't exist. Apart from Kindle e-books, you can't buy anything from amazon.nl. I do not want to pay 60(?) euros a year just to watch a show. I can affort Prime but it's utterly useless and I refuse to buy it for one show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What part of this did you not understand?
--_-__-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you capitalize the "The" in The Netherlands?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, yeah.
whoniversereview ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:42:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the fire fighter episode of Psych where Shawn keeps trying to come up with a word for fire murderer.
Hyperman360 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:09:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of Psych it's no longer on Netflix so guess what you have to do to watch it.
whoniversereview ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy the $100 box set, obviously. /s
What bugs me most about Psych is the fact that it aired in 720p/1080i, but they never released it on Blu-ray. Only on DVD.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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is2gstop ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60%? That's got to be including stuff like YouTube.
TooM3R ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% out of 69%...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Flynamic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://torrentfreak.com/millennials-love-piracy-ad-blockers-160920/
Desktop streaming: 42%
Mobile apps: 41%
Torrenting: 17%
CraigslistAxeKiller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 60% of the initial 69%, ie 41% of millennials stream movies. And I sincerely doubt they care about streaming vs downloading
TooM3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I commented because you were wrong, it's not 60% it's about 40%.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TooM3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk maybe we both misunderstood each other. I just saw you say that they say that 60% use illegal streaming which is incorrect (again its about 40%)
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not 60% of films, that's a completely different thing.
Even the 60% who use e.g. putlocker might use bittorrent for 90% of their video piracy.
countrysgonekablooie ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So 31% of millennials are liars.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 17:01:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Send_Me__Corgi_Gifs ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:23:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, until Net Neutrality takes a hike...
Dkill33 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe streaming copywrighted content is illegal. You are not required as the consumer to know if you are watching a copywrited and uploaded with permission from the owner. If someone uploads a video to YouTube I can't be expected to know if they rights to do so.
CWSwapigans ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:51:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Triton_330 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I wonder how he thinks traydmarct is spelled.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what drives me crazy? "Copywritten".
No, "copywrite" is writing (ad) copy, which is what marketers do. "Copyright" refers to the right to copy.
loomynartylenny ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legally, you are not allowed to redistribute this stuff or display it publicly.
If you were to accidentally see an illegally redistributed/publicly displayed streamed video, and you were unaware of it being copyrighted material, you could probably be let off if the magistrates/judge/jury are lenient.
Dkill33 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you can't redistribute it. But if you are not the one uploading it you are not committing a crime.
The question I had isn't about leniency. Say you find Spiderman Homecoming on YouTube. The person that uploaded it committed a crime. Google is committing a crime if they don't take it down right away. But if you stumble across it and watch it I don't think that's even a crime. You can't be expected to know that Disney/Sony didn't allow it. You can find movies for free legally(Crackle, Hulu). How can the watcher know if it was upload with the copyright owners consent or not?
Christoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if I accidentally watched 1000's of copyrighted TV shows/movies?
vizzmay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could punish you, they would. They canโt punish you because itโs a logistical nightmare to prove that hundreds of people willingly downloaded pirated material.
CWSwapigans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the new crop of pirate streaming sites work on P2P technology. So if you watch something on popcorntime you're uploading as well as downloading, just like bittorrent, etc.
rosk4444 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 30 day free trial made me do it..
787787787 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: I notice this comment is getting a lot of upvotes. In the meantime, this_acct_is_dumb has explained to me that they are delineating between streaming and download/torrents. Sorry.
what the fuck is being said here?
this_acct_is_dumb ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:14:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69% are pirates. Of those, 60% stream, 40% download torrents.
787787787 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, thanks.
Shuriken66 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's being said is
"HERES SOME BIG LOOKING NUMBER. ITS NOT TRUE, SO LETS ADD SOME FANCY WORDS AND MORE LARGE NUMBERS TO MAKE THE ACTUAL END RESULT SEEM LARGER THAN IT IS."
787787787 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, this_acct_is_dumb explained that they've delineated between streaming and downloads. Checks out.
testdex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does 60% look huge to you?
I watched the new Rick and Morty on a pirate stream, and occasionally watch the Simpsons or Sponge Bob on YouTube. I'm relatively sure I've seen some porn streams that weren't actually being streamed by the owner.
You really think that more than 2 out of 5 millennials don't occasionally do something similar?
basslay3r1 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The morality of the music and movie industries is amusing, as the business model for both was and is the exploitation of content creators.
testdex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
People turn off the part of their brain that sees the universality of business practices when they justify piracy to themselves.
Eventhisistaken ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:29:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm a torrentinal
uberduger ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd feel worse about pirating media if I actually had decent disposable income.
One day I will pay for entertainment again but that will be once I've got a house so that I am not totally screwed by house prices going up by more than incomes.
I'll support the media industry again when I'm older and more financially stable so that more screwed young people can continue to enjoy entertainment media the way I currently do. And those guys will need it more than I as well, as they will need something to take their minds off how incredibly screwed they are by the current western economic climate.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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uberduger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, agreed. I remember seeing something about piracy that was actually saying something like how millennials are too cheap to pay for entertainment. Some may be, sure, but generally I think they're too poor rather than too cheap. There's a difference!
Knabepicer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sorry I'm not willing to pay the price for your product but instead of just not using it like I would any other thing I can't afford, I'm going to have it anyway. It's your fault for not making it super cheap, because it's not like you have costs to pay for, right?"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Knabepicer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't aware watching movies was a responsibility that you absolutely have to fulfill. My apologies.
BlazaSSBM ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my take on it. Maybe don't pay me shit wages and I'll play your ballgame. Fuck these faceless corporations. They also whine when we want more money for doing more work.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:44:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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johnchapel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trophies and Achievements.
No joke. That was the bulk of curbing most piracy: Internet points.
smurfhunter99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, let me assure you, they aren't. They're almost definitely aware why we do it. This bullshit is capitalist fueled lies to attempt (extremely poorly) to villainize people who pirate to the public. Obviously, it isn't working, and people resent them for it, but pretty much every time consumers don't give businesses money, they pull stupid bullshit like this.
"Wah! You won't give us way too much fucking money! Waaaah! You're the bad guys!"
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I genuinely like something, I would actually pay for it if a) it's Avialable in my country b) if it's reasonably priced c) doesn't require me to buy into a streaming service to watch it.
monkeyfuzz123 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guess what... make buying shit as easy and cheap as it is to steal and you've got 69% of a generation buying your shit. Morons.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To stream anything, I have to navigate a maze of websites, many of which are fake or filled with ads. And, then, when I find one that's legit, I'm often stuck with very slow speeds, so it's buffering so much that it's unwatchable.
I think that most people would be willing to pay a nominal fee to avoid all that.
Michelle_Johnson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you could just torrent things instead. With qbittorrent, you get a search engine to download whatever you want from all major torrent sites, so with just a couple of clicks, you can download anything.
It amazes me how more people stream shit than torrent.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:03:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm just going to the wrong sites, but torrents are a pain in the ass. Often, I can't find what I want, and when I do, the torrent is old, so nobody's seeding it anymore.
Michelle_Johnson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I stressed the search engine. It makes it so it's amazingly convenient to torrent anything.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I just installed it and am checking out the search engine. It does look pretty awesome, and it was able to give me dozens of results for the first few terms I threw at it. Thanks, this might get me back into torrenting again!
Michelle_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome man. Let's hope maybe one day paying for things was this easy.
Send_Me__Corgi_Gifs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I would pay 15 bucks a month for that.
newloaf ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is like an ad for piracy:
Did you know you can watch whatever you want, at any time, for FREE?! What have you been doing with your life, numbnuts?
allpumpnolove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With no commercials.
Merari01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you'd allow me to buy something I want to watch I wouldn't do that. But I have to subscribe to multiple different services, each to see one show. Bullshit, I'm not doing that.
I want to pay for what I watch. Not pay through the nose to watch a minimal part of your offered content.
And then there's all the stuff that's not even available to buy where I live so I can't watch it legally no matter what.
FreakinSodie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck off. It's the same people bitching about this who lecture millenials about free markets and how it's unreasonable to expect a better standard of living. Your business model isn't viable, adapt or die.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:27:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idiots.
Piracy does not a criminal make.
You can not take someone to criminal court for copyright piracy.
It is a part of civil law. Not criminal law.
Blurryface114 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a car.
loomynartylenny ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, you would copy it, and then paste it all over the internet. or something.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:28:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the days of 3D printing...
Maybe you do download a car
malpheres ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they shouldn't force us to buy bloated cable subscriptions with hundreds of channels we'll never watch. Fuck em. Tear 'em down.
no-roasties-allowed ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My government gave $30,000,000 of taxpayers money to foxtel. The details of this donation is confidential. As far as I am concerned, Game of Thrones has been payed for in lieu.
AdventuresInPorno ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:37:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are pussy numbers. We gotta pump that shit up.
illegalqueer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Won't someone think of the poor, defenseless billionaire TV execs and their poor solid gold hummers?!
thatguywithawatch ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe because we're all FUCKING POOR you out-of-touch mouth-breathers
thomjrjr ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a crooth striminal...
TesticleMeElmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STRIMLIFE #SWANG
MitonyTopa ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually if I can pay to stream something I will. What I'm trying to say is Fuck You, Disney Vault. I don't even feel bad.
MightyGamera ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they don't even have Song of the South in there.
Nighshade586 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I bet they do. In the back corner, hidden away for when Walt returns.
InvaderChin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They keep it right next to his cryogenically stored head.
sakkara ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:31:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I have to pay and can't watch what I want, when I want, where I want then maybe piracy is just the better deal?!
lankist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:27:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really nice, being told that 69% of this generation qualify as "criminals" in the eyes of our big business overlords.
sketchioactive ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm well how about we raise that minimum wage for these striminals? Or give student discounts like Spotify and Apple Music. I'm not saying that will fix the problem, but I'm much more likely to purchase HBO Go rather than torrent GoT if I can actually afford it. I'm at the point now in college where I couldn't even afford to gain the Freshman 15. I go to school full time in a STEM major and work part time so I'm doing the best I can. My organic chemistry book set was over $300. No other option if you wanted to pass the class. You can bet your ass I'm not paying for media that I can otherwise get using a VPN and Vuze.
susrev ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:20:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah?
Uh-huh
Go on
Wait what's the problem again this sounds pretty great.
Rindan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have two options; either make your stuff available to buy with money, easily, with one of the many services happy to sell your crap so I can buy it, or don't. If you do the former, I'll pay you. If you do the latter, I might just watch it anyways and not pay you.
Your call entertainment industry, but I'm not going to respect your "right" to a shitty monopoly just because you paid off a bunch of politicians to pass shitty laws that no one wants. If you want me to buy your dumb streaming services for a monthly fee and say that if the only legal way to watch something, fuck you. You better buy better politicians, because I'm not following that dumb law without a gun to my head.
Razatappa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:05:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my mother illegally streams stuff all the time and she ain't a millennial, what do we call her?
Triton_330 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Karen.
Viking_Mana ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't call us that. It's embarrassing.
On a more serious note - Yeah, we do, and it's because most forms of media are still horrendously overpriced, and often impossible to come by in an efficient and affordable manner. I can't watch half the shit that's on Netflix because of archaic licensing agreements, and I'm definitely not going to pay one year's worth of streaming service subscriptions just to buy a box-set.
I want to pay you, but not if you're greedy. Let me pay you to watch your shit, and I will. Rip me off and deny me access despite the fact that I'm paying? Yeah, you can fuck right off.
angryco1 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:14:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how is Leonardo DiCaprio supposed to afford a private jet if people keep pirating!?
loomynartylenny ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
running a pirating service and putting ads on it?
DuelistDeCoolest ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:56:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit: "I pirate stuff all the time and don't feel bad about it."
Also Reddit: "How DARE you post that image without crediting the artist? They deserve recognition for their work."
johnchapel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:14:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gee, its almost like Reddit isn't a monolith and contains different people with different opinions
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you like something, you should pay for it and support further creation of the art you enjoy, be it music, film or books. I don't work for free and neither should artists.
Edit: Just so we're clear, if you are truly not financial capable or you live in an area where it is difficult/impossible to get things legally, then I'm not really talking about you. My comment is directed at people who CAN support the artist, but CHOOSE not to.
loomynartylenny ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like it when people pirate content from smaller content creators. When you pay a smaller content creator, you are sustaining them. When you don't pay them, they can't survive.
I can understand it when the content being pirated is from the larger media corporations who already have tonnes of money. They can comfortably sustain themselves.
I also can understand it when the content is otherwise unavailable in the country where it is being viewed from.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't get it legally in your country, then hey whatever you tried download away.
While I see where you're coming from about larger companies, I still am personally against pirating music in that scenario. Yes, they are probably sustainable even through rampant pirating and yes they make money preying on other's artistic abilities. However, if everyone pirates an artists music, and the label doesn't make money off of it, then they just aren't going to produce another album of that artists. Then you're in the same boat and your artist you enjoy will still not be able to produce content.
Yes if only small numbers of people do it, then it's probably irrelevant. But it's just a tragedy of the commons waiting to happen.
MelissaClick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's odd though because if people refrain from listening to music because they can't pay for it, that also doesn't do anything to support the people whose music they don't listen to.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't or won't? There's a big difference. A lot of people who say they can't have no problem buying a latte at 6 bucks a pop or weed, but when it comes time to support artists they claim they like, suddenly they're broke.
If you are actually unable to pay for it, then I understand that and money should not be a gatekeeper to enjoying art. But if you have the money, you should think about throwing some of that to the artist who produces enjoyment for you.
MelissaClick ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the crazy thing though...
Suppose you're one of the smaller content creators. Would you rather some guy, who is not going to pay for content (perhaps cannot, perhaps will not) -- would you rather he choose to watch/read/listen to free content from the larger media corporations who don't need his money, or watch/read/listen to your content?
Also: would you rather he watch/read/listen to your content without paying, or some legal free public domain content or advertisement-sponsored content?
It's crazy because just watching media illegally (without paying for it) is also a way of supporting it, although not monetarily.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can call it whatever you'd like to feel better, but not supporting small content creators financially is not supporting them at all. You are enjoying their work and you make contribute to more people enjoying their work through word of mouth/sharing whatever, but you're not supporting future endeavors yourself.
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to make myself feel better here. Think about what I'm saying. It's a pretty interesting situation.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not though, it's pretty straight forward. Yes the artists wants their work enjoyed over other artists, or at least the same as others, but they want to get paid for it so they can make more. Would they prefer you pirate their music over others? Sure i guess, but they would actually prefer you to buy it. You are not supporting an artist if you aren't paying for their work or at least merch.
mickey_mize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most the money comes from shows and merch. Record companies screw em. And artists signed independently drop free shit a lot. Music is just one medium though. Some books and music I immediately buy. Others, if I know they don't need me to buy it I don't. Or download it with Apple Music and they get a few cents? But does a rapper making $100,000 each night need my pennies? Not really
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they don't need your money per say. They don't need any one individuals money. But they need a certain amount of people to buy the music or they won't get a chance to produce another one. Labels won't front the money to produce an album if your last album sold like crap.
Sure, a lot of individual artists choose to put their music out their for free. But that's their choice to make with their creation, not yours. And they do that in hopes that you like what you hear and support them financially in some manner.
MelissaClick ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point. Maybe try answering the actual question I asked, maybe you'll get the point then.
Ifriendzonecats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The smaller content creator would rather be able to pay their bills on time.
Would you rather get paid for going to work or randomly have parts of your pay check to go other people you know nothing about?
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jakedakat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you rather get for the work you do? Or not get paid for the work you do?
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you would rather get paid, but what has that got to do with what I said?
jakedakat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing really, I was having a mess of a day at work. Probably shouldn't have posted.
Courier76 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:11:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic reddit. I have to search by controversial to find just one reasonable comment that's not justifying pirating like it's the modern-day Robin Hood.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I didn't realize this was a controversial opinion. But I can understand, seeing as I tried to make the same justifications when I was a teen.
traverse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, the thing is, I've tried. I subscribe to Netflix, and I've tried to subscribe to HBO go, but I'm outside of the USA, so the only 'legitimate' way would be to pay for sky, then the premium sky packages. Which I'm never going to do. A 'lost sale' to me isn't a lost sale, as the content creators were never going to get my money anyway; there is no way for me to give it to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's understandable, and if you were to go through some of my responses above you I would agree with that. If you've tried to get it legally, but they make it ridiculous, that's on them. You're not really the demographic I'm talking about.
InvaderChin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like blowjobs.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:07:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you do in some way or another. Either by buying hookers, or providing financial and emotional support to a significant other.
Send_Me__Corgi_Gifs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much we talking?
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most Major corporations don't pay fair wages, so I can't afford to
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know your financial situation, nor do I claim to. If you can't afford it, then I'm sure artists wouldn't want you to go without (except Metallica). My comment is directed at people who have the financial capability, but still choose not to support.
Jokerthewolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And most of us would happily support it. Put in on a website and stream it with regular commercial breaks for revenue. Most of us are fine with that. It's the requirement that we pay $85 per month for 120 channels just to watch 6 shows on 3 different channels that is the problem.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking through this thread, I don't think most people would happily support it. I'm not calling you a liar, but a lot of people seem hell bent on pirating regardless of the ease or cost of getting it legally. Hell, people still pirate music despite having ad-supported streaming services free of charge. Granted, Reddit is not representative of society as a whole, but there's plenty of people who will always just pirate because they don't want to pay for peoples' work.
sweetb00bs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Art is subjective and alot of it is derivative garbage
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it's subjective and yes a lot of it is crap, what's your point? I'm not advocating you buy shit you don't like. I'm sure their is some art you find good and enjoyable, and that's who you should support
sweetb00bs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was strengthening yours while providing a counter. Alot of "artists" are hacks
Ifriendzonecats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of everything are hacks. You don't get to eat McDonalds for free just because it's cheap derivative garbage.
sweetb00bs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone gives you a burger or if you pick one out of the trash, it is. And it would be just as good
Ifriendzonecats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OblongSphere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally taking part in a 69...
Percent
Flynamic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Info on the statistics:
Desktop streaming: 42%
Mobile apps: 41%
Torrenting: 17%
https://torrentfreak.com/millennials-love-piracy-ad-blockers-160920/
sonny_goliath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a musician we happily give our music away for free online, but that's not where the money is anyway, it's all about the live show and merchandise which people still pay for
Istartedthewar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, if more companies followed the practices of a network like Adult Swim, people wouldn't pirate it.
We can watch it online legally for free, and not have to pay for fucking cable
RelatedIndianFact ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:02:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) You won't allow me the freedom to watch things at my convenience 2) You won't allow your content in my country 3) You price your content so highly that even when I want to buy, I can't 4) Even if I buy your content, I don't own it. I just get the right to use it for some time (this is relevant more with games and software)
And then you wonder why we pirate.
Obligatory related Indian fact: Netflix India that has nearly no useful content for an average Indian costs more than $11-12 per month. Amazon video costs less than $9 for the whole year and has more relevant Indian content.
Were_Doomed_arent_we ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, damn fucking skippy I do. As soon as you make consuming your product a manageable process i'll consider paying for it. But until then locking my content when I travel, randomly shuffling around licenses between dozens of different subscription services, forcing me to pay for cable for the privledge of then paying you for your service, and giving me an overall lessor experience if I pay for content through unskippable ads and region locking is going to have me reaching for streaming programs like Kodi before I ever give you a dime every single time.
CravingInfo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would someone downloading the stolen content be held accountable/considered a criminal? Shouldn't it be law enforcement/ISP's responsibility to go after the people that are actually stealing the content and the host providing it to be downloaded? I know its complicated, i just dont understand it i guess.
CodeGrunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many of the hosts are in other countries that aren't subject to their copyright laws. So that isn't going to happen. Best they could do is try to block them. But that's a game of whack-a-mole.
MrLangbyMippets ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember kids, when you download a torrent, youโre downloading COMMUNISM.
Solsting ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that pisses me off about things like this is it assumes we don't pay cuz we don't want to or can't. I recently DLed a few seasons of the Simpsons because I couldn't stream them or purchase digital copies anywhere. So I just said fuck it and pirated it.
lydocia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to add a correction:
We want to watch what we want, when we want, where we want and we do want to pay for it, but we don't have a medium to do it!
If someone would make a lovechild between Steam and Netflix, where I can either order a series/film on-demand or get a subscription to watch anime or films that are currently in the cinema, I would very much love to throw my money at it. But if you don't make it available and easy to pay for, streaming / piracy is the easiest and usually the only available way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jjg0750 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is your favorite flavor of Gatorade?
01jonathan01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gomovies ;)
ChristophOdinson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gen Xer here, I used to play by the rules, bought tons of music and movies from iTunes. Then I switched to android and lost that media content. So now I'll just pirate. Play by the rules and get fucked, I'm not going to play by the rules then
windkirby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TV packages cost a fortune, and the shows I watch are obscure and widespread. Paying $3 per episode to watch everything I watch in a very situation-specific format is too much. I buy DVD releases but they never come out for a lot of my favorite shows. Watching TV shows never used to be this complicated and infested with advertisements. Streaming really has become the only sane thing to do.
DannyPantsgasm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet the president they elected brags about ducking taxes. "I'm smart".
Guess I'm smart too.
toxicdreamland ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:23:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of piracy is based around not being able to see said content legally. Iโll admit that I canโt see Doctor Who without pirating it, so it happens. If I had legitimate means to watch it legally Iโd do that.
Sengura ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:32:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What are ya in for, kid?"
"Striminizing"
Lynx436 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont have money to spend on streaming because avacado toast is so expensive!
prettybunnys ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for a streaming service of every kind, often multiples.
Not my fault if they don't have the content I want.
But honestly, I have 3x video services, 2x music services. I don't feel bad pirating what I can't pay for.
Robert_Meowney_Jr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does the fact that the term "Young Millennials" exist not show that the word no longer has any meaning?
pbdotc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to the "Old Millennials," those born in the decades before William the Conqueror, who unabashedly drank from private streams belonging to their feudal lords
SvenExChao ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:27:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"you've been struck by a smooth striminal" Also "You wouldn't striminal a car"
MightyMarmaduke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a filthy millennial and I can confirm that I do striminal stuff every day.
Tetra-76 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"streaming millennial criminals" Say that three times fast
awesomedan24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like any corporation, young people will profit from breaking laws when the chance of repercussion is slim to none
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was promised downloadable cars. Still waiting...
spacekatbaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its like going shopping at Blockbusters with an American express card. Its only stealing if u can afford it. I never cud. Austerity, its either eat or entertain. Now I can I pay for it. I do. X and the poop I streamed is like reruns of Monk. X
kelus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/madlads and/r/fellowkids are colliding at supersonic speeds.
Rub_my_turkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if companies found a way to make their content available that wasn't completely retarded I wouldn't pirate stuff
Frank_Wotan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will notice that I have distinguished four, four distinct states of being in the cannabis for marijuana society. They are "cool," "groovy," "hip" and "square." Seldom, if ever, does one aspire to be "square." If he figures out what is "happening," then he can rise one notch and become "hip," and then if he can convince himself to approve of what is "happening," then he becomes "groovy." Groovy! And then after that he can actually raise himself to the rank of "cool." He can become one of those... "cool guys."
dioandkskd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dag gum millenials! Taking crap that they don't deserve! Back in my day i earned a halfpenny a day and walked 16 miles barefoot through the snow and glass to the general store, bought myself a good 'ol cassette tape and made my sweetheart a mixtape from the music played on my radio. Then i sat down and watched tv from the air like a true American. No free media for me nuh uh. Sure didn't happen.
Iveabandonedmyboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk what the answer is on xbox live they have all the latest movies and I would pay for them but they're literally ridiculous prices. Netflix is good value. I have a kodi box but I goto the cinema occasionally and I always buy music on iTunes to support the artists I like. I think a lot of people would happily pay just not the absurd amounts it costs to rent films and all the other everytime i go online its the samw shit pay yearly for avast, pay stupid amounts for Photoshop. ยฃ5.99 per film. No thanks.
0b1_juan_ken0b1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is a trap
KieranD9503 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people ask me, stupid fuckin' questions A lot of people think that, what I say on record Or what I talk about on a record, that I actually do in real life Or that I believe in it Or if I say that, I want to kill somebody, that I'm actually gonna do it Or that I believe in it Well, shit, if you believe that Then I'll kill you You know why?
'Cause I'm a striminal! Striminal You god damn right I'm a striminal Yeah, I'm a striminal
My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge That will stab you in the head Whether you're a fag or les' Or the homo-sex, hermaph', or a trans'a'vest' Pants or dress, hate fags? the answer's "yes" Homophobic? Nah, you're just hetero phobic Starin' at my jeans, watchin' my genitals bulgin' (ooh!) That's my motherfuckin' balls, you'd better let go of 'em They belong in my scrotum You'll never get hold of 'em Hey, it's me, Versace Whoops, somebody shot me! And I was just checkin' the mail Get it, checkin' the 'male'? How many records you expectin' to sell After your second L.P. sends you directly to jail? Come on! relax guy, I like gay men Right, Ken? give me an amen (amen!) Please lord, this boy needs Jesus Heal this child, help us destroy these demons Oh, and please send me a brand new car And a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital Preacher, preacher, fifth grade teacher You can't reach me, my mom can't neither You can't teach me a goddamn thing 'cause I watch TV, and Vomcast cable And you ain't able to stop these thoughts You can't stop me from toppin' these charts And you can't stop me from droppin' each March With a brand new CD for these fuckin' retards Duh, and to think, it's just little ol' me Mr. "Don't give a fuck, " still won't leave
I'm a striminal 'Cause every time I write a rhyme These people think it's a strime To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal 'Cause every time I write a rhyme These people think it's a strime To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
My mother did drugs, hard liquor, cigarettes, and speed The baby came out, disfigured ligaments indeed It was a seed who would grow up just as crazy as she Don't dare make fun of that baby 'cause that baby was me I'm a striminal An animal caged who turned crazed But how the fuck you supposed to grow up when you weren't raised? So as I got older and I got a lot taller My dick shrunk smaller, but my balls got larger I drink more liquor to fuck you up quicker Than you'd want to fuck me up for sayin' the word My morals went, when the president got oral Sex in his oval office on top of his desk Off of his own employee Now don't ignore me, you won't avoid me You can't miss me, I'm white, blond-haired And my nose is pointy I'm the bad guy, who makes fun of people that die In plane crashes and laughs As long as it ain't happened to him Slim shady, I'm as crazy as Em- Inem and kim combined, "The maniac's in" Replacin' the doctor cause dre couldn't make it today He's a little under the weather, so I'm takin' his place (mm-mm-mm!) oh, that's Dre with an AK to his face Don't make me kill him too and spray his brains all over the place I told you Dre, you should've kept that thing put away I guess that will teach you not to let me play with it, eh? I'm a striminal Alright look (uh huh) just go up in that motherfucker Get the motherfuckin' money and get the fuck up outta there
Alright I'll be right here waitin' on you Alright Yo 'Em What? Don't kill nobody this time
Aw'right, god damn, fuck How you doin'? Hi, how can I help you? Yeah I need to make a withdrawal Okay Put the fuckin' money in the bag bitch and I won't kill you!
What? Oh my god, don't kill me I'm not gonna kill you bitch, quit lookin' around Don't kill me, please don't kill me I said I'm not gonna fuckin' kill you Hurry the fuck up! Thank you! Windows tinted on my ride when I drive in it So when I rob a bank, run out and just dive in it So I'll be disguised in it And if anybody identifies the guy in it I'll hide for five minutes Come back, shoot the eyewitness Fire at the private eye hired to pry in my business Die, bitches, bastards, brats, pets This puppy's lucky I didn't blast his ass yet If I ever gave a fuck, I'd shave my nuts Tuck my dick in between my legs and cluck You motherfuckin' chickens ain't brave enough To say the stuff I say, so just tape it shut Shit, half the shit I say, I just make it up To make you mad so kiss my white naked ass And if it's not a rapper that I make it as I'm a be a fuckin' rapist in a Jason mask
I'm a striminal 'Cause every time I write a rhyme These people think it's a strime To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal 'Cause every time I write a rhyme These people think it's a strime To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal 'Cause every time I write a rhyme These people think it's a strime To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one
I'm a striminal 'Cause every time I write a rhyme These people think it's a strime To tell 'em what's on my mind, I guess I'm a striminal But I don't gotta say a word, I just flip 'em the bird And keep goin', I don't take shit from no one I'm a striminal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i .. uh. i love you.
KieranD9503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love you too!
demagogueffxiv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because I'm poor as fuck and letting some rich movie exec buy his third ferrari is less important to me then paying my rent. I do still pay for movies I believe in.
epicsadfacegaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But ye really needs that Ferrari
jungle4john ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:12:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay the iron price for my entertainment.
TripleSkeet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:19:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gen X here. Hoist the sales, its a pirates life for me.
Alcoun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:38:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if I've never been caught does that make me a smooth striminal?
F1ak3r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video, are you ok?
So, Video are you ok?
Are you ok Video?
You've been streamed by
You've been watched by
A smooth striminal.
mediocrebutnice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
BmoneyBoi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the other 31% doing? Paying for things you can find on the internet for free?? Crazy
Stenwalden ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the idiotic justifications for piracy in this thread are worse than the pic.
34190849014433740734 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they made content available in my area without paying a fortune I'd never pirate stuff.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also don't "have" to watch it. Nobody is forcing you to watch TV. "If butterfingers were more affordable I wouldn't have to steal them".
34190849014433740734 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally not stealing, it's copyright infringement. They're 2 completely different things, GoT for example doesn't lose a copy of Game of Thrones because I downloaded it. They've still got the same number of copies, if I steal some Butterfingers then they then have less Butterfingers".
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's... Not how economics works. They're looking at opportunity costs, not copies. It is now more difficult to sell, and they lose money. Potential revenue is taken from them.
34190849014433740734 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? So tell me, if I go download 10 copies if GoT right now how much money have they lost? I've already watched GoT multiple times so did they lose no sales, 1 sale or 10 sales?
Pirating content isn't stealing, it's copyright infringement. That's it's legal definition of you like it or not.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sale's worth of potential revenue.
Did you buy it once? If not, again, they're losing a sale's worth of potential revenue.
34190849014433740734 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they lose a single sale for 10 """stolen""" copies? That kind of makes your Butterfinger analogy irrelevant then.
Like I said, it's defined in law as copyright infringement, not stealing. That doesn't change before you disagree with it.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't, in either case, the producer loses something.
That's not the core of my argument, the point is you're doing something illegal and taking away potential revenue because you want to watch more TV shows.
34190849014433740734 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So tell me, what's the difference between me making a copy of a movie and sending it to a friend and loaning then the CD? Both ways has the same outcome. If I share my Netflix login with my Sister she's getting Netflix content for free so does it mean that's illegal? Should we shutdown all libraries that loan out movies since companies are missing out on sales?
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This creates scarcity. If the two of you want to see the movie at the same time, a second copy must be purchased. That's different than pirating the content. When you pirate, the number of views is limitless.
You or your friend has been deprived of the ability to watch the DVD himself. There is only one watchable copy that's getting passed around. If your friend wants to see the movie, he needs it back. There can be only one person viewing the DVD at a time. This is why you rarely see companies making a fuss about this.
Technically, yes. However, the company has made it clear that's fine by them, and they're not concerned with potential revenue loss, so I've never found that troublesome.
34190849014433740734 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if I send someone a copy and then don't watch it while they watch it it's fine then? We're getting off point regardless, the main point is that it's not stealing. It's copyright infringement.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you still have a copy, no, there's less scarcity and one less potential sale.
I never argued that is was stealing, merely compared the two.
shiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Libraries initially pay for the content, even if it is subsequentially shared. I agree with the other commenter here. If you want something, even if it's media, you pay for it. Goods and services. Not just goods.
34190849014433740734 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pirated copy is also initially paid for.
shiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the key word there. They are making copies of the original which is illegal under copyright law. In my example of the library, no new copies are made.
34190849014433740734 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't arguing it wasn't illegal under copyright law. I was arguing that it wasn't stealing.
shiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but my argument is that it is stealing since you're copying it. I was refuting your argument that libraries lend out copies -- when you analogized how that's not stealing. But since they're not copying the information, it's not stealing.
I know you aren't stealing a physical good, but you are creating extra copies and distributing them. While you are not directly stealing a product, as the other Redditor said above, you are cutting into the revenue that the owner of the intellectual property could have made. That is stealing, it just isn't stealing a good directly.
traverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, the thing is, I've tried. I subscribe to Netflix, and I've tried to subscribe to HBO go, but I'm outside of the USA, so the only 'legitimate' way would be to pay for sky, then the premium sky packages. Which I'm never going to do. A 'lost sale' to me isn't a lost sale, as the content creators were never going to get my money anyway; there is no way for me to give it to them.
MalphiteMain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, there is no potential revenue. I would never pay for it to begin with.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why it's called potential revenue.
It's the possibility of making money, not the money itself. It doesn't matter if you wouldn't buy pay for it before, there's still the possibility one may buy it (No matter how slim, nor how sure one is they would never pay for it).
However when you pirate something, that probability dramatically declines (Scarcity teaches us that people tend to not pay for what they already have for free).
Bouncing off of scarcity, the more of something there is, the less valuable that thing is. So when say 9,000 copies of a media form are illegally downloaded, that media form is now worth less than otherwise. Though this gripe rests more with the distributors of pirated content.
MalphiteMain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The possibility of making..0 moneys. Because I won't pay either way. What someone else does or does not has no effect on me in the equation. ยจยจ
There are so many games that I would never in my fucking life have paid for if i did not pirate them earlier to see if they are good. Sorry,but I enjoy GOOD strategy games. I won't pay for 50 different games to pick out 1 that i like and will keep playing. Because the majority are horse shit.
Yes, absolutely. Criticize them all you want and bring up potential loss of revenue to them. But i will not spend extra money to try some horse shit game for 15 minutes. You think it was fucking fair what the No Man lands developers did to their customers? Earner tens of million of dollars by creating lies and overselling their game, just to give the customers a fucking bag of shit. I pirated it, tested it and realized how shit it was and didn't spend my $80 or whatever they wanted for it. Millions of people however did not do that. And that is just not fair. Developers and creators have to first prove that they are worthy to get paid, not the other way around. I won't pay for something just to have it be complete trash.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, no matter how much you say that, there's always the possibility you will, especially considering you're interested enough to illegally download it. That possibility decreases dramatically when you illegally obtain it, because you have it for free, and the practicality of paying is non-existent.
It's also quite likely there's so many games you never paid for because you pirated them. Assuming you're a special snowflake and pay for most of the games you pirate afterwards, congrats. However that's not how most people operate, nor what economics teaches us. The overwhelming majority of people tend to abide by practical principles and don't pay for what they already have for free, because it's no longer scarce.
I'm not sure if you're trying to justify your own motivations, or the action as a whole.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so you're saying the possibility of you pirating to try something out is greater than the possibility of you paying for it? That doesn't actually refute anything, I assume you worded this improperly.
Doesn't matter if the media is bad, the content producers are under no obligation to produce media you enjoy, only to provide the product being purchased. Whereas to obtain the media, you are regardless obligated to compensate.
That's literally the ENTIRE basis of business. The object of business is to generate capital, not satisfy consumers. Consumer satisfaction merely happens to be an excellent way to make money (Happy customers spread the word, and often return for more business). If you have a grievance here, that should be with the entire concept of capitalism, rather than anything.
Ubisoft made half a billion last year, call them many things, but "retarded" certainly isn't fitting.
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stealing means taking something away.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking away potential revenue, and taking away a level of scarcity.
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking away imaginary things isn't really the same.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scarcity is the principle that all economics is based upon. It's far from imaginary.
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scarcity of a digital product is entirely imaginary.
BobbyJoeGriddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scarcity is the relation of supply and demand, human wants vs the supply to meet them. In the digital realm, demand undoubtedly exists, and supply is controlled by media distributors (publishers). When pirates enter the equation, the supply is greatly increased, disrupting it, and lessening the scarcity. I'm not sure if you're trying to reject this relationship, but if so, you're factually wrong. Scarcity exists within all resources to some degree, digital and physical.
Ifriendzonecats ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like in baseball when a player steals second base by removing it?
Or like stealing a kiss means removing someone's lips?
TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:25:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's as if colloquialisms aren't literal uses of the definition of the word. Craazzyyy.
Also yes, in the case of second base, the idea is that you're taking the base from the other team. Bases in the game of baseball are finite. It's the defending team's job to defend those bases from being taken.
Ifriendzonecats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both the expressions refer to taking something which the taker is not entitled to have. Neither require the object to be removed. And your explanation of baseball is way off. It's like something someone would write having seen parts of a game on a TV with the sound off.
WikiTextBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball
Baseball is a bat-and-ball game played between two teams of nine players each, who take turns batting and fielding. The batting team attempts to score runs by hitting a ball that is thrown by the opposing team's pitcher with a bat swung by the batter, then running counter-clockwise around a series of four bases: first, second, third, and home plate. A run is scored when a player advances around the bases and returns to home plate.
Players on the batting team take turns hitting against the pitcher of the fielding team, which tries to prevent runs by getting hitters out in any of several ways.
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TheAdmiralCrunch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:01:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really. What baseball game have you seen where the defense isn't trying to stop runners from advancing? Little league?
Ifriendzonecats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The offensive team does not take possession of bases from the defensive team. A base is just a temporary safe spot.
The defensive team's goal is to stop runs from being scored. Not allowing runners on base is generally conducive to this, but there are many cases where teams purposefully 'walk' players and put them on base.
nicotineapache ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for trying to insert a word into the English language. Fucks.
somethingInTheMiddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Netflix, but i am not also gonna pay for hbo just to watch game of thrones
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how paying for entertainment is being ripped off. It's not like there's just GoT on their. Hell, if you're that cheap, just wait until the end of the season, pay for 1 month then binge the season.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably where the mentality for me is completely different. I don't view it as paying for a "service" I view it as paying for privilege to view someones creation. So to me, paying for another stream is not "paying for a service I already have," because I haven't paid that specific creator.
I see where you're coming from though, and I can understand the frustration to an extent, I just don't agree with it.
MalphiteMain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you are not paying HBO to watch GoT. You are paying HBO to be able to watch EVERYTHING they offer - but you can't just pay to watch one show. Which is why it feels like getting ripped off. You are paying the full price with no other option
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can see that. GoT is worth is alone for me, but they have a lot of other good movies and shows on there.
MalphiteMain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I already pay for Netflix. That is why it feels bad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? It's a different company and they have nothing to do with one another. Do they do similar things? Yes, but that doesn't mean you get one when you get the other. I don't get free gas in my home because I pay for electrical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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somethingInTheMiddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it important that i pay for the content i watch, but 10/15 โฌ a month for one show is just something i cannot afford.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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johnchapel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pirating isn't stealing, and your lamborghini analogy doesn't work.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/politicalhumor mods are a bundle of sticks - continue to use reddit overwrite via greasemonkey
johnchapel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most retarded thing Ive ever read. Pirating is literally, in every aspect, nothing like rape.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/politicalhumor mods are a bundle of sticks - continue to use reddit overwrite via greasemonkey
johnchapel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Downloading an episode of game of thrones instead of paying 14 bucks to HBO is EXACTLY like forcing unsolicited sex upon an unwilling participant. EXACTLY the same
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/politicalhumor mods are a bundle of sticks - continue to use reddit overwrite via greasemonkey
johnchapel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I said was that it isn't stealing.
919150 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd stop, but it's the only way to watch some series in Europe without having to use a VPN or order box sets.
MaxwellHouse5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We pay for it. We just don't pay the absurd amounts the large communications companies and production studios want us to pay.
FrackleRock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NICE TRY FBI AGENT!
siredwardh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I feel like my pirating hurts them far less than their movie ticket prices hurt me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt mind buying movies if i could just buy the digital file
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐จ๐จ๐จ ๐๐๐ [SSI] STRIMINAL SCENE INVESTIGATION ๐๐๐๐จ๐จ๐จ
Hello!
This is an SSI. We received an alarming message that there are a lot of suspected striminals in this very post!
Stay calm! Don't consume any music or video untill our striminal investigation is over.
Thank you for your cooperation!
imaconor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by,
You've been struck by,
A smooth striminal
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this include The Library?
jimmyablow09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI but your not gonna catch me that easy
N3onToil3tPap3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably coming from the same people that want to limit our bandwidth for streaming Netflix.
CodeGrunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What percent of the population is now using android boxes to stream and don't know that they're pirating?
CleanBaldy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a huge deal. Nobody understands what Kodi is. They think it's a part of Amazon FireStick and a part of Amazon!
"Oh, instead of using the VOD from my DirecTV, I just use Kodi on my Firestick! Joe set it up for me... it gets way more stuff..." - all of my friends.
"I don't know why they add such horrible quality on here. Amazon and Kodi should have a phone number to call...". - one of my friends
Tisjustatossaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I've been streaming free content in my car for 20+ years. I'm a smooth striminal.
Mairiphinc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloadable avocado toast and I'm right there.
CubbyNINJA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in Canada so things like Kodi (exedus) and torrents are legal so as long as it was on TV at least once and I don't profit from it.
ISPs can get upset about heavy torrent info traffic, but that is what's VPNs are for
KingKongBrandy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
courts have already ruled on this issue. the current law is if you are just watching the streaming content, you are not violating any copyright laws. if you are not violating laws, how are you a criminal?
Ocotopus_Shmoctopus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow striminals. We're the worst, aren't we? Woo-wee, do I love streaming.
rolfcm106 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck ya
ishumprod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's funny cause its the sex number
adkiene ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by
You've been struck by
A smooth striminal
SkyHawkMkIV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What mummy busted out of their sarcophagus to write this trash?
ftbc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to sign up for Youtube TV. Not available in my region.
Back to streaming from whatever site hosts it.
strangealien94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When cable is as cheap as Netflix, and can provide the amount of content, maybe I'll start paying for it
MerlinTheWhite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not going to pay $20 to buy a movie if I only want to watch it once. Id be happy to rent it for $5 max, but if you don't give people that option what do you expect?
And why can we not watch movies at home on release day? Id totally pay $20 to watch a new movie from the comfort of my own home.
Vinven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND FOR GOD SAKES I WANT PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN ON MY DESK BY MONDAY MORNING!
janellestr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by
You've been struck by
A smooth striminal (alt. milleniminal)
vocalfreesia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be able to watch a range of shows you'd have to have every subscription service going. Then being able to watch between smart tv, phone, iPad or laptop etc - downloading illegally means you are not restricted by format and it works everywhere. Also some programmes are just not available in some countries so there is little choice. Reduce the price & reduce the format restrictions and more people will pay
Superpat12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/waterguy12
Zak385 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
wet_rat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a striminal is a smooth criminal?
bassampp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaminal, I think that is what they meant.
Michaelis_Maus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda gone with "milliminals" instead.
Swolerosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when the quality is better and the service is easier, it's not really even about the money. Lets take both scenarios:
Paid service: There are few things in life more annoying than having 250+ d/l speeds, and getting a "loading..." screen 20 times over the course of an episode that continues to drop to potato quality.
Striminals: Use my 250+ d/l speeds to start downloading a movie that will take 5-20 min to download. While it's downloading I get some snacks and drinks, sit down and then hit play. No buffering, no quality drop, no issues whatsoever.
That being said, i'll always give the paid service the first pass until they fail me.
Syndiaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well with my $45,000 in student loans that landed me a job working 55 hours a week at $9.00 an hour I think it's fair.
JustKerryBerry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its wrong to steal. If you have the money, you should pay for it.
haikubot-1911 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its wrong to
Steal. If you have the money,
You should pay for it.
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JustKerryBerry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you haikubot
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's copyright infringement, not theft; the main difference is that nothing is actually lost by taking it. Stealing a car would leave them out a car; downloading an episode of Game of Thrones doesn't do shit. I agree that you generally shouldn't do either (with some exceptions of course), but actual theft is clearly much worse.
JustKerryBerry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just how I feel about it though. I feel you should alyas pay for what you want.
My dad always says that if you can afford it you should pay for ti and if you cant than you should save up for it and thats just what i thinl about it.
shredler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you have this many spelling errors in every one of your posts? Too much salt again?
chocospartan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube 24hr live streams
fraggz99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its funny, cause in the uk I can happily say with confidence that there are more people who are 30+ streaming illegal content than young people
ryacoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I've been doing this so long I was shocked to find how many of my friends weren't doing it by the time I got to college.
RonaldDumbsfield ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, GenX pirates too!! Damn, always leaving us out.
danceswithronin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my policy on copyright piracy - make it readily available and easy to download/stream, I will buy it all day long and happily even pay a bit extra for the convenience of doing so (just ask Netflix).
Make it a monumental pain in my ass for me to procure it legally, however, and I will just steal it.
OldRuskiNoir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by...
You've been strick by...
A smooth striminal...
carsongwalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give us a good enough reason not to do it and we won't do it.
Qazzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copying is not stealing . https://youtu.be/IeTybKL1pM4
youtubefactsbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bot info
Highly_Edumacated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lately [adult swim] has been killing it with these streaming services. Every new episode of Rick and Morty is streamed live on their website for free, and they had the entire series live streaming for a month before the new episodes started. I have a 4K TV and I tried watching the channel through my cable provider but the picture was so grainy and pixelated it was very distracting to me, so I just popped over to the website and they had the entire episode to watch right there
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is their player still shit? Or was that just me? Last time I gave it a shot, it froze every ten seconds when I tried to watch anything...
Highly_Edumacated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Venture Bros one does lock up sometimes between episodes but I'll go to sleep most nights and it's still playing when I wake up. The other ones aren't nearly as bad, but they will lock up once in a blue moon
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SMOOVE STRIMINALโข
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shanedalton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate price tags? The answer's yes!
Redjay_A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the government posted this and is tracking all who upvote ๐ค๐ค๐ค
NuteTheBarber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If everyone does it is it a crime or consensus.
Emlashed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't take two words and make them into one stupider word, Randy.
Mirkwoodspoder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ermagerd it's like teh future in star trek where everyone is provided for and they are happy ermagerrrrdddd
trigonomitron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason boomers don't is because they still can't figure out how the set the time on their 8-track player, let alone how to get on the internet without fucking their internet explorer with extra toolbars.
Freckledcookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they are streaming WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT? Damn those millennial striminals - what else will they ruin???
Thunder0622 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We all belong here r/madlads
McCly89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally cannot play a new Bluray on my custom firmware PS3 because of some stupid update the disc requires. The first movie I purchased in years and it will be my last for a while. (Logan for the Noir version)
Yet the "striminaled" file plays flawlessly with no bullshit ads. Please continue to vilify me, you money-hungry fucks.
BVTheEpic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE PAY THE IRON PRICE
Chairman---Pao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by
You've been struck by
A smooth striminal!
DunDunDunDunDunDun DunDunDunDun DunDunDunDun Dun
MrTechSavvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really video piracy, but I do download PS2 games off Emuparadise.
ItsLikeiNvrHadWings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a striminal. 'Cause every time I write a rhyme, these people think it's a crime to tell 'em what's on my mind. I guess I'm a striminal.
mymarkis666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So 9% of them are paying for video piracy? I don't get it.
TransparentIcon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"young millenials" my ass its generation Zyklon now
gnomechomsky44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
fluffhead89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy to buy everything from iTunes or a digital store if there was no DRM preventing me from watching on chromecast/console. Let me watch what I bought without an Apple TV. That's not unreasonable. When you buy a DVD you aren't restricted to just your computer. They're making me pirate*
Allegedly*
JimblesSpaghetti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we aren't paying for it because we can't afford to spend 40 bucks a month on a full package TV subscription just to watch some soccer you greedy fucks.
isthisonetakenaswell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the worst thing I've ever read.
NickeKass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if Walking Dead wasnt 5 minutes of story, 25 minutes of standing around looking off in the distance, and 30 minutes of commercials I might watch TV instead of streaming it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIAA are you ok?
So, RIAA are you ok?
Are you ok RIAA?
You've been hit by,
You've been struck by
A smooth striminal.
Kezly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be quite happy to pay for more TV shows, except I go to their websites and get a "sorry, this show is not available in your region" message.
therallystache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a few thoughts on this. I have pirated just about anything and everything. I now have Netflix and Amazon Prime. If it isn't available on there, I still pirate it. If companies would pull their heads out of their collective asses and would put their content somewhere I could get it easily, I wouldn't pirate. Perfect example is the Pokemon anime. Only select seasons are on Netflix for God-only-knows-why. In fact, Indigo league isn't even complete on there. Now I can go to the library and get it for 3 weeks for free, but I then have to wait. Netflix could pretty easily grow their network and streaming capabilities to host literally everything ever made, but the companies that license the content to them charge them too much to reasonably keep it going all the time. Popcorn Time has more users than Netflix in some countries due to region locking of content, licensing of IP, etc. If the content creators weren't so greedy, they could actually make more money.
imp20036 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a smooth striminal.
GentleBoneCrusher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost impressive how older people can criminalize an entire generation
Reiner_Locke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"69%" Nice.
SolGarfuncle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to feel bad about pirating from the Film/TV industry. It really isn't a moral wrong at all and comparing it directly to theft is lunacy. The Film/TV industry is in fact so vile that pirating and hurting them is a moral imperative.
Lay them low brothers. Let Hollywood burn.
happygocrazee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, FBI.
Paddywhacker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a striminal, but I was. And I stand by all the striminals
TheRealMouseRat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the reason they do it is because shitty streaming services that they already pay for refuse to provide the shows they like in their countries
Takumi-Fujiwara ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"69%" lmao
TacoCatDX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"upvote if you're a striminal"
Nice try but you can't trick me.
ChemicalCalypso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You've been hit by, you've been struck by...a crooth striminal!"
AllPurposeNerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oney are you ackay? Are you ackay? Are you ackay, Oney?"
mountaintop123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Torrenting has higher quality video 99% of the time and finding a streaming service that's not full of viruses and fake videos is pretty hard. Once I discovered tpb I stopped using putlocker and never looked back.
LoneStarHermit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote if you are a stiminal... nice try government!!!
PardonMyBart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the shit that pisses people off about millenials. A lot of people on this post act like they're entitled to download music, tv, and movies free because they don't like paying for it. Some people are using prices as an excuse, but most streaming services are relatively cheap. Hbo Now is like $15 and Netflix is something like 12$. God forbid you have to pay $3 to rent a movie for 24 hours.
There are tons and tons of people behind your favorite shows who lose out when you steal movies. You say it doesn't hurt HBO, but there are writers and crew members and other people who grind out a living by creating these shows. Dowoading this stuff does affect them. Just because you don't like big corporations doesn't mean it's alright to steal their content.
Imagine you saw your favorite actor or musician in the street. Would you feel comfortable telling them you downloaded their latest album or movie without paying? Don't go on and on about how much you love and respect a musician or show and then steal their album. It's hard to create good content, so support your fucking artists!
DoneDoof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respect the work people do to make us the entertainment we watch. For movies it's become so easy and cheap rent movies I haven't torrented one in years. Though tv on the other hand is so expensive with a business model completely I end up just downloading it. I would like to pay but the price for the service you get is not equal. I pay for netflix, and crave but they don't have everything I wanna watch. Just give me an affordable way to watch shows and I will totally pay.
trashpanda866 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I didn't have to watch 25 commercials at the movie theatre after paying for a ticket I might feel somewhat guilty.
nipplepotamus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't stream a car
Doom_Gut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's laughing now, but with net neutrality gone, this could very soon be a real offense.
ALLAHUZACKBAR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inb4 liking puts us all in jail
Daronmal12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy keeps the corporate fucks on their toes.
freddy_francesco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on you, I get all my files from KaZaa.
mjegs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may watch GOT on a streaming site, but I buy GOT merch to support the show since I enjoy it so much. HBO GO is ridiculously too expensive for me to afford.
Portal2TheMoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes i too am a striminal. I visit yourube on an almost daily basis to watch what i want when i want where i want. I am truly ashamed of myself
VGLightning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a fucking millennial thing, this is a people thing. Video pirating has been a thing for years and years.
epicsadfacegaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that doesn't look good on stats. Remember we have to blame millennials for everything
geddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how many of the old fucks screwed with their cable box to get free premium channels?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloaded a car today
shamanhealr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, free movies, shows, music, any content really. We would have money to pay for them IF THE GENERATION PRIOR DIDNT EFF EVERYTHING UP!
epicsadfacegaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No that's our fault we bought too much avocado toast remember
Szos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't "streaminals" make more sense.
Either way, /r/hailcorporate
Bulgref ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:34:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
HilariousMax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:08:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They say this like it's a bad thing. I'd gladly pay for this service but it's simply not available or I'd end up with 14 different packages from 3 different providers on the order of hundreds of dollars.
Or I could just find one of the dozens of stream aggregates that exist and watch my favorite British panel show, Game of Thrones and every UFC fight for free.
tomarran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 300mbps line - I am a smooth striminal.
EaterofCarpetz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the system
MattyOlyOi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supporting corporations is immoral.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:46:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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WHTSHPPNNG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:42 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You commented this twice. Best delete one before you get down voted
quietfellaus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:36 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
quietfellaus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is about control and who deserves to have it more than the public. We are told when we pirate that the actors singers and workers who put effort into what we pirate lose money. Most of the money not spent on buying something would go to production companies and record labels and the artists would likely get rather little comparatively. People who pirate generally buy more stuff when they really care about it than people who straight up buy everything do, partially because they haven't wasted money on corporations streaming services and because when they really like something that's when they know it's worth actually buying. We can have a more open system, we just need to be willing to push for it.
EnaiSiaion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:14:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between artists getting little and artists getting nothing. I'm currently abandoning an activity with several million consumers because it's not making me a living.
EnaiSiaion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:15:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL streaming free content is a crime.
Also, young millennials, as opposed to retired millennials.
epicsadfacegaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the article in case anyone was wondering
Saoren ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldmt you want to get something for free thats easily availible? Do they think people are going to care about the feelings of whats likely a large rich organization?
3rdIGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Admittedly, it's a pain in the ass...gotta use a US account, download thru iTunes, pay with prepaid credit card and then use a VPN, lol.
Admittedly a huge pain in the ass, id probably just pirate it too...
Omny87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:22 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ones with good bandwidth are known as "smooth striminals"
DamoclesRising ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
upvoted for support of you madlads I have never done something so reckless
Myrmec ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I WANT TO PAY YOU ABOUT $1 PER COMMERCIAL-FREE EPISODE TO WATCH WHATEVER WHENEVER BUT YOU MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE
ihatedogs2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's tough being a weeb, too. In order to watch all the shows I want, I'd have to subscribe to Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, and now Netflix AND Amazon. No fucking way.
Crunchyroll has been caught doing unethical things (like intentionally lowering video quality) multiple times, and I don't like them in general
Funimation only has some of what I want to watch. Same with Hulu
Netflix literally steals anime licenses (like Kakegurui this season) and doesn't have much that's good anyways
But I have Amazon Prime so I'm in luck, right? WRONG. In order to access their full anime library, you have to purchase an ADDITIONAL $5 / month subscription called Amazon Strike. Fucking ridiculous
Yoho yoho the pirate's life for me.
AmatureProgrammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm.
Am a millennial that streams the game of thrones with out paying.
spooli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm happy to see the kinds of comments I'm seeing in here. I don't think this is a message of how shitty the younger generation is, I think it's a perfect example of capitalism at its worst, and young people not paying for shit that costs too much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they were going for a true portmanteau wouldn't that have been "streamilleniminals"?
William_Robinson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Striminallenials.
save_the_andrews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could've just gone all the way and call them 'streamilleniminals' to be as cool as possible.
ElSeban88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an old school video criminal. I download instead of streaming to watch on my TV
SushiGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A smooth striminal
Chris_Bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pay easily ยฃ150 a month is someone would provide me with something even close to the service I currently get.
I have the money, would willingly pay it but no one is selling. I don't want to pay for 5 services that together only give me about 60% of what i get now.
LikeMyFatherBeforeMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strimillenialiminal
DarkLazer215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Striminist!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
strilleminals*
siredwardh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just make it easier and easier to be put on lists.
jroddie4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not actually a crime, it's just actionable in civil court.
theSPOOKYnegus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was a sting by the FBI, Lock em up boys
Drfilthymcnasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a striminal but really wish I was.
Son_of_Leeds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I do that!
brb fbi
foxinthesky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swear to gosh 40% of millennials are dumb
Nestemitta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yarrr
mrthescientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody remember, back in the days of linรฉaire, there was one guy who ripped movies and always put a cool action scene opening at the beginning of each? Those were the days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are old millennials?
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, their kids consider them old.
bleudude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, that's entrapment
XFX_Samsung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more surprised that 30% don't pirate anything. How do these people function?
JoelMahon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a shit conclusion, obviously the real number is closer to 95%
TheManWhoWasNotShort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly this makes streaming movies and TV sound really badass, which I think is the opposite effect of what they want. Sort of like calling it Piracy. Who tf doesn't want to be a pirate?
paoisjdfpoaijsdfpoij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What percentage of content on YouTube is legally uploaded by the owner? There's a ton of low-quality, commercially-made TV shows on there. And don't get me started on how much low-quality music there is.
CursedLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When they get rid of blackout dates for sports broadcasts, maybe I'll consider paying for a legit streaming service.
Bombernaut_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we still calling millennials young? The oldest are in their 30s now. If you are still ranting about "young millennials," there's a good chance there's nothing wrong with the millennials and you just hate children. Or digital. Maybe both.
OGRNA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont up vote, its a trap!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was cable-cutter so hard for them to use? Like, there are already determined terms for people that use cable, use internet based services and pirate, and people that don't watch television content.
smokeythel3ear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a smooth striminal
fortgatlin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not a baby boomer in America that doesn't occasionally feel the guilt of having burned out Columbia House for free records a few times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the paid service is overpriced, shows advertisements, and underserves mediocre content.
4609203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll never get me alive coppers!
orphenshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... says the old man who begged us as children to program the VCR
johnbabyhunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't strim a car
trillusive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a trap dont upvote!
hang_them_high ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam actually has almost entirely eliminated my pirating. So much easier to just buy on sale and then have forever.
rickarooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it considered theft if I find a stream on youtube?
HorseHonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but look at all the free marketing we do.
James_Locke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source: http://anatomymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ANATOMY_MILLENNIALS_at_the_GATE_FALL2016.pdf
Child_of_Lilith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because I've never seen the older generation try to get stuff for free (spoiler alert - I have).
Rab_Legend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if it was worth it or we had decent wages then we would pay
CapLouLu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for ish that's easy and there's utility in the price. Otherwise strimenal like a MF boss
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YARR!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha lol been doing that all the way since I was 12.
neocamel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try RIAA.
Downvoted.
twix78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for them, I wish I wasn't to old and stupid to know how to steal interesting shit instead of paying for 3 different services. Good.
Castoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Striminal life is the life for me
skook86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Young millennials, what's wrong with you? Middle and older millennials keep doing what you're doing.
soundwaveaddiction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Gomovies.to"
Thank me later :)
Lord-Handsome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been watched by a smooth striminal! Sha mon!!
post_once_neveragain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaminals would have been better
Max_Thunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who are those savages streaming pirated movies? Download them like proper pirates do.
Alec9699 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this HBO's new tactic?
JackColor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If paid services weren't flaming garbage maybe more people would be willing to pay for them.
NoNeedForAName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is it 60% or 69%?
Mellonaire_reddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My brother was actually emailed by the FBI after using uTorrent to get The Hangover. We never did it again...
visnia18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try NSA!
HeatSir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a poor striminal.
ORNGVladman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I plead the 5th
deezlbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You damn millennials sucking up all my bandwidth.
cornonthekopp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well if these companies made it easier to watch anime episodes when they came out maybe I wouldn't have to-I mean ugh striminals
zachary0816 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STOP CRIMINAL SCUM - YOU VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT
RealPolishAl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do not upvote this post...if u do u'll get a letter soon.
theDrummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't pirate you're a weiner
Maraudershields7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bake me away toys
GlaciusTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not stealing anything I would actually be able to pay for. If I were living near a Theater, you might see some cash from me. If I really like your movie, I might even buy the DVD. I could always switch to renting, but that doesn't help the film industry either. There isn't a service that I can afford that offers everything I want. Netflix and HBO aren't much help to Canada, so if you want my money, change how you do things. Otherwise, you don't get my money regardless. I would stop watching before I would pay that much to watch the few TV shows I like.
You are losing no money off of me.
Poke493 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And studios are making less money every year! Oh wait...
Weemstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
DMann420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
The demand is there. Perhaps if Hollywood and Big Cable would realize that the industry has changed and they're barely touching the demand they they used to have, then they wouldn't have to worry about piracy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to just stream content but it's only illegal to download it. I'm from California if anybody needs to know.
In California, you can be 6 years old and legally but an alcoholic drink as long as it's "alcohol free" which is less than 0.5% but authorities strongly tell stores not to sell to anyone under 18/21.
It's like that, technically not illegal, but it's frowned upon.
itsnotlupus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Filthy strimennials!
Sunframe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was about criminals who are strippers
BretHartsSpandex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell did they get 60% and 69% from?
Even if they're counting those 360p videos on youtube, I still don't believe it.
Thunkums ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the 69%
Drdps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If companies would learn that people will willingly pay for content if you make it affordable and accessible, they wouldn't have to worry about this. But I don't want to pay $20 for a movie I'll watch one time on the 15th video service I have to make an account for. Put it on iTunes and pay the Apple gods their share and profit.
dsmnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69, nice
nachog2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paying for Amazon Prime, which has Prime Video, if it's not on there, which the majority of stuff isn't, I'll watch it on PopCornTime
LordFiresnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here to commit strime and chew gum, and gum might not be gluten free.
Cuboos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If i can't find it on Netflix or Amazon Prime Streaming, i'm pirating it. I can't be assed to fork over even more money for another streaming service and i'm too impatient to wait for a DvD to be delivered.
uiop60 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We Are The 69% (nice)
heilspawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://mobile.twitter.com/hilare_belloc/status/778289164148244480?lang=en
InvaderChin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe if I didn't have to deal with unacceptable load times, random bullshit buffering, content disappearing and reappearing with little-to-no notice, lag, and limited content unless I pay an additional $9.99 per month for the "premium" package, I'd use paid apps.
But I do, so I stream illegally.
You wouldn't sell broken bicycles and then bitch about millenials putting you out of business. Fix your shit, and people will buy it. No one wants your half-hearted, half-funded "we're still not sure if the internet is the future, broadcast TV might bounce back" efforts at streaming apps.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth Striminal. YeeHee!
dancing_genitals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I shouldn't be a striminal, freebooting is a bad thing. However, I don't want to pay for things.
VonBrewskie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One might say, I'm a...smooth striminal. ๐
BadCops86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jokes on them. I dont care if they stop making movies entirely. Also, while everything is being automated, the only real jobs will be held by the very few extremely creative people. We will pay them because we fucking want to not because we have to. Thats how I feel and I know its bad. You made me this way bitches.
BezemenovKnew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is brutal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get to watch what I want, when I want, and where I want but I pay for it through Netflix, Apple, and HBO NOW. :/
Silfedac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice try, feds
mothzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to Broadcasting House on the BBC iPlayer. Am I a striminal?
Tyranid457 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty funny!
Amnsia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering who does video piracy and pays for it. Apparently around 12% pirate videos and pays for them, bullshit article.
ssuperboy95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try LE
Emmaphina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I love those statistics. To state something so obvious and then not even being in any way academic. Seems they want to shock some parents. When I was in school, parents were asked to look up, if their kids used those streaming sites because it might be that they had to pay a fine, if their IP was detected. As if 16 year olds don't know how to use vpn.
gentlemandinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this where I come to put Spongbob dank memes?
totally_boring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a striminal!!!
I use "mycouchtuner.ag" and "putlocker.rs" a lot.
RazBruh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
legit question here. I only pirate things that i have already payed for, because i want to download them. is that considered piracy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck is this a millennial thing when the previous generation (me included) a) taught them how and b) build the tools for piracy?
Although come to think of it, that's probably typical for the "blame it all on millennials" mentality.
sweethands96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think it would be much more than that
Teh_moopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
saintsfan92612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't stream a car!
Balls_Shaft_Combo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people ask me, stupid fuckin' questions A lot of people think that, what I stream on TV Or what I watch on my iPad, that I actually do in real life Or that I believe in it Or if I say that, I want to steal Netflix, that I'm actually gonna do it Or that I believe in it Well, shit, if you believe that Then I'll take HBO You know why?
'Cause I'm a striminal! Striminal You god damn right I'm a striminal Yeah, I'm a striminal
sallycinnamonnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try police
test_tickles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I commited Strime last night! "Ghost in the Shell". It was pretty, but then, all you had to do was copy a great anime...
Datathrash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Croove Striminal?
rhgolf44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an aunt who about 10 years ago had thousands of pirated dvds in her house. I'm talking stacks 5 feet tall all around the room. Why are we acting like millennial are the only people to ever pirate anything?
Freddo-Baggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI, I ain't failing for it this time!
user69666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who fuckin cares, maybe if it wasn't so easy and there were some repercussions for doing it people would stop, it's literally easier to pirate any movie you want than watch the ones on Netflix
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay but what percent of old millenials are striminals?
uverychillz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny because rich people made up the rule that you will give them money in every possible situation: oooh your internet just got more expensive. Guess what transit tickets got more expensive- oh and we learned we can charge you a nominal fee for parking on the streets- better raise that price to cushion our budget. Oh you want us to spend that money on healthcare and schools? Nope we are putting in a new pointless traffic light instead.
The internet is the only thing that frees the people- gives you knowledge, and gives you power. Never let them own the internet!!!
It's the era of capitalism that says we owe money (ie: a pound of flesh) to pay in a world of extremely artificially inflated economy- but it is not the natural state of the world. Always ask where your money is going- and if it is going to a millionaire or some billion dollar company think again, and definitely don't worry about stealing from them. You think anyone became a billionaire without making many poorer people suffer greatly???? Nope, never.
ilovevoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if it was affordable.. who know what people would be willing to pay for.
jumanji-manji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear the only things the news talks about are millennial trends and Trump's tweets lol
Marter1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
once again a post asking for upvotes, just like youtube
wastesHisTimeSober ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So piracy has majority approval?
RandomQuestiion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STREAMING VIDEOS IS NOT A CRIME.
only downloading is.
Justicelf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heres a hint: 90% of streaming piracy is porn and kids/people don't want others to know they're wanking it or even paying for it.Also that shit is expensive and it's not like people only watch 1 studios videos so you're gonna pay +300 monthly just to jerk off?
pauljohn408 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote if you're a "striminal"
Nice try NSA...
Creativation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't Download This Song
ajr901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for HBO, Netflix, and Prime. I also have access to a friend's Hulu. If your shit is on one of those platforms, cool, I will watch it there. If not then you bet your ass I'm going to watch it via "other methods".
owzleee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
snort
Chipleo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, FBI
virmeretrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not paying hundreds of dollars a month to watch two or three shows a year sorry about it
Haradwraith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll admit, when I first got into Game of Thrones I didn't have HBO and didn't see the value of paying for an extra channel just to watch one show, so I streamed it online. As a way to try and make up for it, and because it's a great show that I want to support, I have bought every season after it comes out on DVD. At 30 bucks a boxset I'd say they've made more money off of me this way than if I bought their subscription for the 2 months the show was on the air.
my-name-is-hidden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This won't happen if you just not make anime region lock, tv shows only in cable, high cost for subscription, and used technology to make us pay more for something that can be done under 5 mins with one person.
zipzip_the_penguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way in hell that stat is conicidental.
omgfmlihatemylife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they just assume my social construct!?
DukeStudlington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why!? So you can oust me as a Striminal and put me through Striminal Court so I go to jail for Striminals?
So I'll lose my job and be unable to be hired because I have a Striminal past!?
No thanks!
pieman7414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try cops
StevenMaurer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did a GIS on this image, and got no site that is posting this in earnest. Are you sure this isn't just some mockery of an argument that isn't being made?
COnative78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if 3/4 of it wasn't garbage people would pay for it. Idk how many times I've been pissed that I even wasted the time to dl it. And how about they manage their content better? Someone involved is usually leaking it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try CIA
sarindam007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped watching movies and listening to music from copyright lords years ago. Put my time and money into a guitar. Now I can happily say that I don't need to be a striminal because I don't give a rats ass about their merchandise.
Fuck you and thank you at the same time to these greedy {people}*.
*Replace with nominal expletive(s) of choice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure these companies want to believe that 69% of my generation pirates content because it easily explains their loss in profits, and shifts the blame off them. However, as a millennial, I can honestly say that I don't pirate anything- streaming or otherwise. If it's not on Netflix, HBO Now, or rentable at a decent price from redbox, iTunes, etc., then I simply don't watch it. No big deal. I mean, it's really not worth going through all this trouble of tor browsers, and vpn's, and p2p clients, AND then possibly facing criminal charges just so I can watch The Avengers for free on the toilet. Maybe I'm the minority, but I just don't see the value. That's why Netflix has received $10 a month from me since maybe 2009, and they always will.
I don't know how my family manages to live a complete, full life without the 50/50 content/advertising bullshit streaming 24/7, 365 into my television for the lost cost of $100 a month, but we survive. /s
Fooey_on_you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot damn! Where do I sign up?
cmp23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if this is secretly the FBI trying to get at ton of people to admit to illegally streaming and then fine all of them
recommendspelterite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear they're cracking down on streminals by making mockery posts on social media and getting people to admit to the crimes in the comments. Just keep an eye out!
opentoinput ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How to you pirate videos?
Hmccormack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a striminal mind.
Armord1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
striminal reporting in
fuck your video piracy hating old asses
Bletchlypark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is this steaming pile of shit from?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cheapest cable TV package where I live is around $70/month, so yeah, fuck that.
Moug-10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A smooth striminal.
djloox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too busy being a striminal millennial who still laughs at the number 69 to care about video piracy.
xaricx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe worth reiterating: pirating media isn't theft/stealing. Theft/stealing is when the person you stole from no longer retains that item. And in the case of making a copy of something: that is piracy.
big-bradlayy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming something isn't illegal.
Thane5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you are streaming and where you do it
Avachiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely can't afford to watch their movies.
I can't afford a television service. These people will not get my money one way or the other.
In my opinion, my downloading of their files doesn't affect their profit because they were never going to get a dollar from me.
ProbablyABigFatJerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oy vey pay your dues striminals!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised it's only 69%.
lazybeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
had futurama paused in a different tab when i saw this
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DemophonWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming Video rental has a fundamental flaw - the 24 hour limit after you start the movie. Give me 36 hours at least. That way I can start it tonight and finish it tomorrow night. I don't rent movies nearly as often as I would because I can't be certain that I'll be able to watch it in one night.
dazzlindan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you u/Flynamic for providing the torrentfreak article which linked to the source. It's a super interesting read, ridiculous portmanteau aside.
If anyone wants to read the full study that TF sourced it from, it's online here: http://anatomymedia.com/portfolio/millennials-at-the-gate/
Direct link to the PDF here: http://anatomymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ANATOMY_MILLENNIALS_at_the_GATE_FALL2016.pdf
trillhungyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I identify a New Willennial
sandtigers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a poor millennial having trouble finding a job because the baby boomers won't gtfo and therefore am forced into a life of crime.
babaganate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No sing sing strim 10 years
correcthorsestapler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet Kevin came up with that percentage.
joltx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White Crime White Crime White Crime
Trancefuzion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned it from watching my dad.
ZSebra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Striminal
darksoulsplayer8888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DMCA!
You've just been hit by a smoove striminal baby, ah ha! 1337 haxx and proxys yo, I'm off to cyberspace!
AnOrthodoxHeretic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't fool me, FBI. I'm not upvoting shit! I saw all the warnings on the VHS tapes.
st_ryder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck im Al Capone of internet then
fuckyousuperman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn Maybe I can help them with branding.... I'll a be there branding helper. their brelper.
TJALambda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try government!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, there MUST be astroturfing itt, there's no way Reddit has this many pro-media conglomerate posters.
TheDeityRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this meant to guilt people into not streaming content? Its not working.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of me will never pay for a single second of tv or movies ever again, so fuck off.
Rhenthalin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intellectual Property isn't property If you don't want people using it don't make it.
supermegachaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the statistics seem a bit low
Violent_Paprika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all fuckin' greedy motherfuckers pullin' shit off the streaming platforms THAT I PAY FOR to put it on your proprietary shit damn right otherfucker I tried to buy it and you said no so of course I'm stealing your shit assface
supermegachaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if everybody does it is it a crime anymore?
MrFlagg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
octogenarian living in a stiminals body here
funknasty23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do it.
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/lCRfn
youaremom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice%
Thetravelingboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's mostly because what I want is unavailable. If I could rent a video from youtube and download it in HD then I'd probably never pirate again, but those idiots (by trying to avoid pirating) make it so inconvenient that pirating is my best option.
TheNukaDweller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watchcartoononline.com for the win
Darktidemage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get buffering because I'm no smooth striminal.
AleksiKovalainen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I WILL BUILD THE BEST FREE STREAMING PLATFORM AND THE BOOMERS WILL PAY FOR IT!!!
DerpTrooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I supposed to feel bad or something?
I_Think_Alot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People pay for cable at a jacked-up cost and they still don't watch what they want because half of the shit on TV is purely advertisements. Blame them for pirating stuff, cool.
voodoochild1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69?!!!! No! 6 to 9!
Popodom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm a Serial Striminal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this just in, poor people also like to be entertained
Ducman69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฉ โช โซ โฌ
Annie, are you ok?
Are you ok, Annie?
You've been hit by
You've been hit by
A smooth striminal!
โฉ โช โซ โฌ
AniMeu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strimillenials...
Davidoff1983 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assumed it was something to do with strimmers. Surely it's Streaminals ??
bluecifer_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
123movies.to ๐ช๐คoops
Tristan_Jay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, kids!
Don't copy, that floppy!
Man i'm old.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That video helped me realize I could copy shit as a child and I've been ripping shit ever since
ThePhyrexian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not a substriminal message
NWbySW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got Kodi on my Android powered Sony TV. Life changing.
milknsugar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% of the time it works... every time.
Snowontherange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming is great. But you have to get multiple stream accounts to get good content. I'm letting go of amazon because the price isn't worth their shit film selection. Hulu is offering HBO shows that are up to date. Amazon only has 1 or 2 popular films. And most if it is just a copy of Hulu anyways. Streaming sites will need to up their game if they really want people to slow down on pirating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's about most people
TheGanons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, FBI.
TheLightningL0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69%, nice.
Thegardenboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta get paid back for all the data we give them somehow. Like seriously? You're making money off my internet labor and I don't get a dime? 2sorry4u I hope you don't get that second boat.
SiomarTehBeefalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'd rather go by the title of urinal thank you very much.
Libertygrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth Striminal
congealedplatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm not being a millennial. I've obviously been missing out on a millennial activity
idroppedthemarinara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trap!
sarcasticbaldguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source - Millennials At The Gate
Mossy425 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how many are a smooth striminal?
Gophermonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeet
TheRarestMinionPepe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, โThese.... criminals...โ who wrote this article? A tool! The kind of person who is completely out of touch & jockin the corporate D! They try to make it sound like 60% of millennial need to be locked away with murders.
NotVeryLoud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, do I feel old and curmudgeonly reading these posts. From what I can gather, it seems the defense boils down to, 'I want it, it's too expensive, I'm going to steal it." And for some reason, because it's a TV show, or a movie, or a game, it's completely within your rights to do so? I don't get it ??? Entertainment is a product, like anything else. I might even dare to say it's a luxury item. Why is it being treated like a necessity or a basic commodity that's so needed (wanted) that we decide it's ok to steal when it's price is beyond our reach? I love Game of Thrones, but I can't afford to buy an HBO subscription right now, so I watch it with friends, on their account. I'd love to regularly drink boutique craft beer, or wear well-made high-quality clothing made in the US, or use cutting edge household electronics, but they're too costly for me to buy right now, so . . . I don't buy them. I still want them, but I don't steal them. Again, I just don't get it. This is an intelligent and well-intentioned group with a generally well-directed moral compass. Someone, please explain why stealing is justifiable when the product is not a necessity. Many things are difficult to acquire and subjectively too expensive. It feels like people believe they are "owed" movies, TV shows, and games. Help a baffled 40-something to understand. Cheers!
FinishingDutch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a 34 year old, I don't mind paying for stuff if the companies offer a reasonable alternative that works for me. I pay for Netflix; it's cheap and works on every device. I pay for Google Music. Great, downloadable music that works everywhwre with no hassle. Well worth it. I also pay for all my games. Steam just works and there's always affordable sales for gaming like Humble Bundle. I also pay for Adobe Cloud.
I go to the movies when it's something I really want to see and pay the - very - expensive Dutch ticket prices.
But I also like to stream TV episodes. Why? Because there simply isn't a convenient alternative that lets me pay a reasonable fee. You can't get certain streaming services here or it's only available as a cable package which I don't have. And the services that are available don't have all the shows I watch.
If I could pay 20 euros a month extra for all my shows on Netflix, I would. But they'd rather keep them behind their own paywall. So I stream it. Just like I used to download MP3's and games until they let me pay a reasonable fee without hassle, at which point it became a better proposition than risking viruses and such from downloading.
NotVeryLoud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the complexities and the inconveniences. How many people buy entire cable TV packages because they want ESPN? We used to have to buy entire CD's if we wanted to listen to just one song. iTunes broke that mold and presented a much better way of selling music. It sounds like people want something similar to that model. A reasonable price per episode, game, TV-show, with no geographical or exclusive provider restrictions. I get it. The basis of my question was, why it's morally acceptable to steal a product, however inconveninet, convoluted and expensive the delivery system may be, when that product is not a necessity?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it isn't stealing in the same way as stealing a car would be, and it generally only hurts big companies anyway. Who cares if Time Warner is out 15 bucks that I was never going to pay anyway? The fact that piracy is often so much easier to use also helps. People being in places where they cannot legally get the thing also contributes.
unknownfet715 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo
NotVeryLoud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's bigger than what one individual does. It's the sum of everyone's behavior. The first episode of this season's Game of Thrones was pirated over 91 million times. Multiply that by $15. That's roughly $1.3 billion dollars, not 15 bucks.
I fail to see how that makes it ok. To paraphrase, if someone has a lot of money, or is a "big" company it's ok to deceive and cheat them? Does Greenpeace deserve to be stolen from? They're big. it's as if there's an assumption that the people that create and provide the content are morally bad people (because they're big) and therefore deserve to be stolen from. Are there shitty large companies that knowingly deceive and cheat people? Hell yes. (Wells Fargo anyone). But a company's size does not make them morally bankrupt by default. By that logic, Amazon and Apple deserve to have their products freely taken. Intellectual Property is still property. It may not be tangible because it exists as digital data, but it's still a product someone created to be sold.
Yes, just as a bicycle that's not locked up is easier to take than one that is. It's still taking something that the owner did not intend to give away.
Anyway, not trying to be someone's mom and lecture them on right and wrong. IMO, it's knowingly taking something that you know is supposed to be paid for, something that's not medicine, food, or necessary for your well-being and health. If it's ok to download a movie without paying because the creator/owner is a big company, then it must also be ok to steal a DVD of that same movie from a video store. What's the difference aside from the medium the movie is stored on?
SuicidalImpulse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lack of a physical product, I think. Digital only makes it less personal and involved. Just space on your hard drive/bandwidth used up.
sanityislost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for them
jb4334 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn striminals commiting a bunch of strime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me I need to cancel my 1 week trial of Hulu Plus then get a new one with a different email. Thanks OP, you just saved me 11 bucks!
Spermigiano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Striminaling is not a crime.
Baconman363636 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause fuck cable and we have too much debt to pay for Netflix.
Mr-Redbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, NSA
Crispy_socks241 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
does this include pornos?
Griffolion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, yet another thing bashing millennials for not conforming to what boomers expect. How original.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me and my gf usually watch movies and shows
jambo2011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man. It's the thing with jaywalking all over again...
willthethrill2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F
willthethrill2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I
GennyGeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone takes pride in coming up with that term
aaronkozy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you crazy millennial's stay off my lawn!
Africas4AIDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
TotalMushroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, officer
DickFeely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote if you hate your strustomers
willthethrill2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preach !
Century24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are illegal downloads still conflated with actual theft or rape and pillage on the high seas?
NotBeingSerious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao wut
Dark_Shinobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try officer.
sesar54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im just here browsing reddit, clicking random post and that picture comes up right as Im downloading a movie. Gave me a heartattack. I thought some company already knew what Im doin.
eat_healfy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
DenikaMae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take that 21'st Century "Block Booking"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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youtubefactsbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bot info
DoNotTouchWires ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't get media legally, the correct choice of action is to go without it.
the_hazmat_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stealing a movie: it's just like mugging the elderly.
Or MURDER.
ChampionBryce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, NSA. I'm not upvoting shit.
_012345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dumbest thing I've read since 'you wouldn't download a card'
I would download a car in a heartbeat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does popcorn time make me a striminal?
hadphill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69%. Nice.
elementzn30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I upvote, will I be put on some list by some big media corporations? Lol
mickey_mize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69%. Classic.
lvoscar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
123movies.is
Radeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of those 60% streaming content without paying, 58.5% primarily stream porn and GoT. FACT. PERIOD.
imtryingtoworkhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been watched by, a smooth Striminal.
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CommissionerOdo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These gosh darn Strimillenials
Atomickix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Comcast sent me an email because they found out I watched the an episode of game of thrones online. I'm not paying 13.99 a month for HBO just to watch one God damn show. Fix your shit and then I'll pay for it.
wurlok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
69%? Nice.
codstradamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's damn right.
Mimehunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been watched by
A smooth striminal
alkong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kissanime lol
redditsantenna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo I don't pay anything to watch YouTube and I watch anything I want on YouTube any time I want. Does this make me a striminal? If so then I'm happy to be one.
Xacebop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They asked us to get off their lawns and when we finally did now they want us to stop streaming
throwaway23409230932 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got my first DCMA notice ever from my ISP.
Rick and Morty season 1.. wtf
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents (who are 2 conservative baby boomers) cut the cord and started only streaming a while ago.
LobbyJockey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, MPAA/RIAA, you grumpy old dinosaurs.
going_back_to_bed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is everyone using this font?
boolaidman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the fuckin FBI back at it with their piracy warnings. THEY want you to upvote this
Hoxomo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems to be missing a payoff, like "Help us hunt these striminals down and roast them alive in their own liquidized bodyfat!".
jamesmcavoythoughbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Booyah anarchy
Armon_Tamzarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trick, don't upvote! I was contacted by the FBI shortly after upvoting and now I have to pay for all the things I've streamed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't stream a car.
AverageSven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah we do
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I blame myself! I have a 26 year old and a 20 year old... they both have their own places to live yet I pay the netflix/hulu and gave them the password...
Jesus if I'd only realized what I was doing! I turned my children into strinimals of whatthefuckever that word was.
TheRealFaff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like upvoting is a trap.
BestSinceDay0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it is, it doesn't matter to me if it's theft. It isn't, it's copyright infringement, but in spirit it could be argued as being theft. But the truth is, I don't give a shit. I'm not going to get caught, and it's easier and more convenient to find streams of shows and live events than subscribe to Netflix for a bunch of shows, Hulu JUST for South Park, and UFC Fight Pass, which takes a month to get new events up and doesn't even stream live PPVs, just prelims, so you have to pay for the PPV every time. It's too much hassle that can be avoided by pirating, so fuck it, why not. I'm a bad person, fine, but if companies aren't going to make it easier to watch what I want, when I want to, in the form that I prefer, for a suitably low price, then piracy is just the free market in action. It might not offer me all those things (e.g. lack of ChromeCast support for a lot of pirated material), but it's doing some of them for free and no one is beating that. Is it selfish and short-sighted? Yeah, of course. Until I become a content creator who puts arbitrary restraints on how people can consume my content, does that concern me? Not at all.
respectingwomen247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're damn right I do
Burnt_P0Pcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I would gladly pay for it if they would just make it available at a reasonable price. I feel like shows in particular fall into three categories of availability - 1) get lucky that Netflix picked it up, 2) pay $40 for the blu-ray or, 3) piratebay that shit.
BruxellesBlonde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that avocado toast tho
gerryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Press "F" if you're a striminal!
F
aretheygay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a slippery slope from striminal to stripinal
goofzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the cyber?
flyingpinkpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this totally makes sense. Pirating takes more time. Teenagers have tons of time. Adults have shit to do and can't be bothered checking through different sites to find a viable link and will just pay. At some point when I have a job I'll start paying for adobe and youtube and netflix.
CaveGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Copying is not theft. Stealing a thing leaves one less left. Copying, it makes one thing more. That's what copying's for."
dragamex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'know, I was wondering why the huge amount of effort that went into squashing torrenting just... stopped. Now I get it, there was more money lost in kids wathing youtube videos than torrenting. The funny thing is, though, they're just now demonizing "striminals", where even 2-3 years ago while Torrenting was the main focus, you could literally find any movie, song, music video or tv show to stream for free, and in multiple competing places.
Just seems to me that if the fucksticks hunting down and demonizing people for trying to gain access to media took their head out of their ass for 5 minutes they would've seen this coming and done something maybe a little more worthwhile. Instead, here we go with another cycle of this bullshit, and some 15 year old kid is going to get thrown in jail for watching Metallica on Youtube, mark my words.
I sound like my grandfather now, so I'm going to stop.
bitchbecraycray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm part of the 69!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Chispy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a three pronged attack. Substriminal, striminal, and Superstriminal!
NayMarine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decent service if it wasn't run by a bunch of gluttonous profiteering money grubbing assholes.
B1ackFr1day6661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are they talking about youtube?
darexinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YAR HAR SHIVER ME BE
Sanity_Assasin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, FBI
BrosaParrks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try striminal hunter... nice try.
Aduialion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by, you've been struck by... A smooth striminal.
captainkieffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strimillinimal
GlassMeccaNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These millennials disgust me.
Have the decency to download a torrent a local copy so you can watch content in HD with no buffering.
madcapharry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess im on some hitlist now for upvoting
difficult_lady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well,,,uhh, maybe we don't pay because we're too busy buying diamonds and eating at places other than Applebees.
dearryka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downvoted. Nice try FBI
antiname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised it's so low.
nullace652 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But 69 tho hah
hustl3tree5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of adults ask me to show them how to do it also.
poesse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stannie are you ok? Are you ok Stannie?
clake1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist. We are all about to get arrested for admitting to being striminals
Doggysoft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the words of Eminem..... I'm a striminal!
DataBound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streamellinials
rttg12w2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's easier to be a striminal than it is to find some things on legit streaming sites
shebangshe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those pesky creaming millennial striminals. I'm surprised it's only 69%.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming isn't even a crime, for tge same reason it's not illegal to watch someone get mugged
ReallyUseless27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice!
Deltamon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"..streaming content without paying for it."
You mean watching twitch?
familiakij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm finally proud to be in the millennial category, today is a good day.
Kuhnaydeein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I consider myself a smoove striminal!
got-trunks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You there!
damiskajira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are seriously lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't steal shit if they could get away with it. Free is always better. Fuck off.
runner365 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of up votes you got tells you that no-one's stopping streaming anytime soon. I doubt it's just millennials. There's a silver lining though - that's where the cashcow is.
bobzilla509 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If baby boomers didn't invent the internet we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?
computerizedhumani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn right I'm not paying for a movie when studios have billions of dollars. I'm watching whatever I want for free because I have real bills and rent to pay.
generic-user-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coz I'm a striminal!
ParticleCannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember fellow kids, Piracy is not a crimeless victim
Taydo629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ima smooth striminal
T_Raycroft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a car
Yetis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you guys cant work for the FBI.
DrVaphels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they might be on to something here. Being a "pirate" sounds cool, but who wants to be a "striminal"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian here. Only way to watch Game of Thrones is paying $30 for a cable package, or watching it for free and paying $5 a month for a VPN. Hmm.
YamYoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make stuff cheaper then, your company can afford it
Kikooky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
laughs in Swiss
(Streaming is entirely legal here, as long as you aren't distributing)
CasuallyPhenomenal88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems awfully low. More likely 92% according to all my statistics. Lol. I don't have any stats. Just seems like everyone I've known pirates something
Sawzzaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try FBI....
Namesn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk if this is real or not but cool :D
ira1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rrrrrrrr was is the rum always gone
phynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile Comedy Central has taken all of their content off of streaming services because fuck You millennials.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
Isi4cFJBzkK1E8g6HXlO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you call a Gen-x'er that streams all the time?
vile_haze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for hulu, netflix, funimation, and cable, if I can't legally watch what I want after all that it's fair game as far as I'm concerned
Panzerjaegar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally for this only because having a Hulu, netflix, and HBO account to watch all my shows is honestly ridiculous. Streamroyale.com is the site I used after getting an invite and it's fucking great website. Cheaper than netflix too!
blickster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the only way we can afford $800 avocado toast
LukaCola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the "fellow kids" they're just trying to coin a term?
xyroclast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of you are focusing on the piracy statistic, and not the fact that they invented a completely ridiculous word. That's what's "fellowkids" about this.
Stop trying to make striminals happen!
DammitDan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a thing
mettajillpeace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm sounds like a trap
Zacky_Cheladaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're just mad cause they didn't think of it first
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strimmillenial.
7ewis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest I'm surprised it's only 60%. Thought it would be higher than that
Asmor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a seedbox, so I actually pay for my piracy, tyvm.
babiesWrabies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOUVE BEEN HIT BY, YOUVE BEEN STRUCK BY
TheNewCatGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try NASA
grudnuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll upvote what I want, when I want, where I want, and I won't buy gold for it.
grimydickmonkeys33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol 69%
IronMyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, normally streaming makes me reflect on how fucking poor I am, but now I want to stream all day every day.
clarkcox3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
60% seems low
HiramgJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems a little low, I'd say 100%
missingno42128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/LateStageCapitalism
spen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Those damn kids with their new fangled transistor radios. Why can't they buy wax cylinders like we did?"
One thing that never changes is the previous generation complaining about the next.
SadlySofjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I will give my money to big corps for some entertainment HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
kevincrazykid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to tell my parents...they've raised a striminal.
Saint250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay for content if A. Aired at the same time in my country and B. No ad breaks or advertisements of any kind invading the program.
Also donโt make me pay through the nose for content and I can only stream it on one device and on your player!
Just make it easy and affordable Iโm sure most people would happily pay
Once thatโs the case il pony up the dough.
Septothorpe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been struck by.. a smooth striminal.
PineappleNarwhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2001st comment :P
foonykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give me a damn subscription service for Jeopardy and I won't have to scour he internet for the one lone bastard that records it and puts it on Pirate Bay
nadoter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then fix your shitty region locked piece of shit platform. that's why steam is succesful, very very very minor region lock and dynamic pricing for different regions.
VolcanoDucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streamining millenial criminals, aka strillenialiminals
MichNeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I freaking hate monthly subscriptions, they take money automatically and for someone like me whose paycheck isn't the same amount every month it isn't something I want to do.
I wish they made it a possibility to pay per video, if I so desire, I don't want to pay for all of these things you sell, only some.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BRB downloading a car!
GreatDario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noooo I watched a movie on YouTube, put me away for 15 years pls. Here is my den of "striminals" https://www.reddit.com/r/fullmoviesonyoutube/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use cafemovie, it has all the new game of thrones eps as they come out
KingNoodleWalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by, you've been struck by: A Smooth Striminal.
Bloodyfinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is this from?
HardcoreStenography ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't read this without 'Let's get striminal, striminal' playing in my head
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHERE they want? Wtf
Teh-Piper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand, I like the shows I watch and I think the creators deserve to be paid for it, on the other hand, streaming services don't have them all and I'm not paying for Netflix, Hulu, Crunchy roll and whatever else all at once
abibofile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They really missed the opportunity to call them "streamilleniminals."
fro99er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with perks that good no wonder 60% of millennialsthosedamkids are Striminals
GamingWithBilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look...I would pay for a service that let me watch anything I want, when I want, exactly when it comes out, video on demand...for $30/month. But when the same damn thing comes in the form of DVR's and network Packages that include things I don't want to watch for $200/month, no thanks. The Cable companies already make a shit ton of money from advertisements, and then they also make a shit ton off me for their bullshit packages. And television providers wont even provide content that has low ratings, even if it's good. So when I want to binge Anime, I have to subscribe to another service like VRV or Crunchyroll. And when I want to watch Disney shows without having to buy the Disney Package for $30 on Cable, I have to use Hulu. And then all the content isn't there, unless I want the LIVE $50 package...AND THEN THE BULLSHIT ABOUT SOME MOVIES/SHOWS ARE LICENSED OUT FOR REPLAY ON CERTAIN PLACES LIKE AMAZON PRIME ONLY, BUT I COULD BUY IT FOR $20, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FUCKING SHITTY MOVIE FROM THE 70'S BUT ALL I WANT TO DO IS WATCH IT FOR NOSTALGIA. WHOOP DEE FUCKING DOO! NOW I'M A STRIMINAL BECAUSE ALL YOU FUCKERS SEGREGATED TELEVISION INTO THIS CLUSTER FUCK. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND $500 A MONTH TO ENJOY ENTERTAINMENT, AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAS EVERYTHING I WANT COLLECTED INTO A ON-DEMAND, SINGLE PLATFORM, EASY TO USE SYSTEM IS THE GOD DAMN PIRATING APPLICATION.
Amazon Video
HBO NOW
Showtime Anytime
Fullscreen
HULU
Netflix
VRV
Crunchyroll
Funimation
Patreon
YouTube Red
Plex
Crackle
Vudu
DisneyXD
Fox Now
ePix
JESUS SAVE ME FROM THIS SHIT!!!
TheTerje ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I call myself that if I'm 45?
Monstermart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was paying extra for NBC sports on my cable, because I love watching English soccer, and you could stream every game online with your cable info, but now NBC only shows the non-televised games, and you have to pay and extra $50 a year to stream the games that are aired on tv.
Guess who just canceled their access to NBC and is gonna stream the fuck out of every game this season?
Omniscient_Meme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If pirating wasn't so easy i wouldn't do it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have coin, but I want to see your warez!
nomecks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Dad, you steal satellite signals!
Zet_x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am one big ass striminal.
Jona___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am almost 100% sure DBS wasn't meant to be played on YouTube although Funimation does host DBS for free to watch on their site
KayleyKiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But even worse are the strudeliminals: people who illegally stream whilst smugly eating strudel.
Drezzzire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the problem here is? Sounds like a bunch of frugal geniuses to me
Flametris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who tf are the 30% that never stream anything??
alienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking this was probably fake, but it's real. The author is a marketing agency called "Anatomy Media". The above quote can be found in a PDF titled "Millennials at the Gate".
The audience of this material is likely companies who produce media. To the agency's credit, they actually present some decent recommendations:
muncher_of_nachos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0xD153A53 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the contrary, they're paying what they feel it's worth.
hassanz246 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, won't be hitting that up vote (FBI)
AdKim456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate you reddit rules and my teacher for not letting me talk about piracy.
I am a proud pirate, but at least I am willing to pay taxes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millennials this, Millennials that, hurr durr durrrrrrr.
O_Apples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here. We millennials were able to hive mind our way to 69.
vFALL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no!
slapsahoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is this generational bullshit it's called research for free equals free shit
Raichu7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 60%?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure as Hell beats the days of limewire/frostwire and giving your computer full blown AIDS...
Gainstrive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an artist and published musician, I'd rather have my music free so anyone can enjoy it without having to spend ten dollars they could use for things they NEED. If you want to support your favorite artists, that's great, buy tickets and come to a local show to show support. But music and art in my opinion should be available to everyone regardless of how much money you can throw at a dying industry.
Dospunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha 69
vhisic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sure i fall into this category but i still pay for all available services and still have content that i am unable to obtain through any other means.
Olyvyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I upvoted because this is perfect but I don't pirate. I like to pay for things I like so I'll things I like will continue to be made.
But I don't judge. Just consider supporting what you like.
thenagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you've been struck by
you've been hit by
a moove striminal
Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming millennial criminals?
I'm pretty sure they meant to say "Strimileniminals"
Faptain--Planet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't fool me Johnny Law, I ain't incriminatin myself
dirtyword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually not a crime.
SnailzRule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On android, Google "showbox apk " and download it on your phone and install, all new movies and tv free, everything, in hd plus download.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
since these days everyone is expected to pay with our attention to ads, many people who stream still do pay - this is just an entrenched industry failing to adapt as always
also considering youtube, south park studios, etc, what makes one source more legitimate to the consumer than another? How is the consumer supposed to know (this is even before taking into account differing laws between countries) that hulu is legitimate and freeshowsonline or some other service that uses actual words is not? What the hell is a hulu anyway?
all i got is questions
setthestageonfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice try officer
Jake41201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, if only streaming was illegal! Now downloading, that's straight up piracy. But streaming is 100% fine. Maybe not morally, but legally there isn't anything wrong with it. Although it has been debated
Dangerousfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made my physically cringe.
MungTao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a STRIMINAL. Cause everytime I stream online, these people think its a crime, to watch everything on my time. I guess I'm a STRIMINAL I dont gotta say a word, I just flip em the bird, Im west coast, shits up at six versus nine.
Cazazkq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're so emotional you compliment tables.
I hope you have a nice day!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smooth striminal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, officer.
Two_Tone_Xylophone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I pay for my media consumption, a great VPN isn't cheap!
Two_Tone_Xylophone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The media companies are the ones who Made me a criminal, first by bombarding me with ads through a cable service I payed for, then they started making me watch 20mins of ads and notices before I could even watch movies on my vhs....DVD was even worse once that came out, for a period there you couldn't even skip that stuff....and really I think that was the tipping point, of when I said fuck it and just started streaming everything
mottbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Crunchypickles420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon fire stick is revolutionary
TheCrowGrandfather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. The first company that starts offering true alacart TV is going to make bank. You want to watch that specific show? $1/month. You want that whole channel? $5/month. You only want 3 channels and 5 shows from other channels? $20/m.
maggieG42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the producers of the shows should stop fighting it. Finding streaming sites is so easy and I am sure they could find the sites. So simply put in law that those sites must give the producers and writers of the shows a percentage of the profits they make. And those streaming sites are not doing it for free they make a lot of money through advertisements. If those streaming sites are not making money due to ad blockers they could easily block people from seeing them who have ad blockers. Some will go back to getting the movies from legitimate sites while others will turn their add blocker off. Stop wasting money on investigations and stop wasting money on lawyers.
And yes I am a striminX and don't see it as stealing as most shows are on free to air in some location and thus no charge is being met by the end consumer. I don't download them or keep a copy I simply watch the episode.
xaminmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, MPAA...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! And the remaining 31 percent are idiots!!
Crazy-Pangolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been hit by You've been struck by A mooth striminal
juniordevv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer ๐ ฑ๏ธriminal
guinader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good try Mr. FBI
Trimere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they don't pay for it. None of them have jobs.
Dignified31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the internet is working as intended
Stoned-Capone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big name cable providers can suck the fattest of dicks
1JiveTurkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hehehe 69%
Big-Eldorado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I dont see the problem, I'm not even a millennial
spoilbob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess I'm a strimimal. I pay for 24/7 cable with all of the premium movie, news, and sports channels and fastest internet. I also pay for Netflix and amazon prime. I rarely ever use any of them. I download what I want so I can watch on my laptop during downtime at work 16hrs a day (it's that kind of job).
Brownlameman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we dont waste our time
nolaz010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like Letterkenny, but I don't Live in Canada, so I can't use Crave......also I watch a FUCKTON of anime.
casemodsalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. I prefer torrenting. Download once, mine forever.
Themyster1ous01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KissAnime vs. Crunchyroll in a nutshell.
__SoupTattoo__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to make an Eminem cove: "I am a SCRIMINAL"
purpleWheelChair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woop Woop.
VandelayOfficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did Trey Parker write this?
THE_KIWIS_SHALL_RISE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
รถ
SkyTheGoldKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anime
The_Hugh_Mungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh 69
Chicago_Blackhawks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the Reddit rules
Miss_rarity1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so i pay for crunchyroll and they got a old show, haibane renmei, So i decide to finally give it a watch to discover that its only 480p, while meanwhile on 9anime i can just as easily watch a 1080p stream, makes me question why i even pay for it sometimes
Thunderape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what about the absolute jungle of ads and popups you have to navigate through in many instances to watch "what you want, when you want, where you want" even though you have adblock and shit? sure, the creators might not get paid, but someone is definitely making money on "free" streaming.
beerye1981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
epicsadfacegaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go
ThisIsGoobly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love all the shaming companies try to do but I literally cannot feel bad about any morally dubious things I do towards companies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whachugonnadoboutit?
30phil1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Steam > piracy
kkklfsd0fjsef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Main reason is that not reasonable?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:42 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am very against piracy but they made it sound so cool. The wording sounded like a movie trailer
stoopidjonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents used to steal tv with an antenna. They still steal radio that way.
anders1319 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
L.O.L.!
Call_Me_Bert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:32 on September 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IโM A STRIMINAL AND IโM PROUD!
Potato_sword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:06 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, it's hard to make a deal for paying for shit like crunchyroll when the piracy sites have more option in better quality, AND they're free.
Foolishmemer123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:13 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just break galactic code ?
Jrodvon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:51 on October 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Striminal for sure
McGriddleMeTendies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:42 on November 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is young?
Supermagicalcookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:01 on December 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the fellow kids here? 69? You do know that's an actual number
mcotter12 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't even illegal lol.
supersonicfan169 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:07:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically it is, but it's damn near impossible to get caught.
I_Koala_Kare ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you stream it I don't think it's technically illegal. It's illegal for the person hosting the copyrighted stuff but not for the streamer I think
Ifriendzonecats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of things are 'illegal', but not prosecuted. Going after people for 'illegally' watching could cut into legitimate streaming revenues by getting non tech savvy people spooked about the medium. Also, the RIAA's losing battle may have scared other industries away from going after passive participants.
gisquestions ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA your fuccing downvotes lmfaooooo lolol look at you pathetic loser with all those downvotes guess what bro your wrong LOLOLLLL lmfao I piled another downvote on your sorry ass! ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this cancer? Was it a failed attempt at a joke?
aSnowyCanadian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guys been posting shiity atuff all day
JesusOnSteroidz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:44:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rather disappointed, I thought this was going to be a really funny sexual statistic. ๐ข
RouxGravy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The sex number of millenials are striminals"