I'm not even religious but acting like "We're all made of star dust" is some sort of profound life changing idea is ridiculous. Anyone with three brain cells and a basic understanding of how chemistry/physics works understands that us being made of star dust is nothing special because EVERYTHING is made of star dust.
The fact that everyone in this thread fixates on Tyson's race even though Carl Sagan is the one that said this is really telling. It's not the quote that bothers you is it?
I hate atheist circlejerks on reddit more than anything. They act enlightened while recycling 50 year old talking points. You ever seen r/atheism? Its literally just "God Bad. Christians Bad. Science good. Me smart."
Well reddit atheism isn't representative of reality the same way reddit socialism or reddit hatred for Trump isn't representative of reality.
I used to defend r/atheism for a while but they hate Christians and they're unironically violent people. Not like before where at least it had some internal consistency and was against violence. r/atheism is proof that even nonbelievers can become religious bigots.
I took a Christian biology class and this was basically the point my teacher made. Every minor detail is so meticulously created to suit the needs of so many different living creatures. Why is an all-knowing Creator so ridiculous to believe in but an explosion and everything just happening to come together is logical?
With an infinite number of trials, you'd expect even the most remote of possibilities to come up eventually. There's also survivorship bias. We know this specific tuning of fundamental forces and physical interactions is vital for our universe, but it doesn't necessarily follow that other configurations would preclude the existence of complex systems and life in a form we don't even know how to imagine. Or in other words, just because it's necessary for us to exist doesn't mean it's necessary for anything to exist.
But when it comes down to it, there are so many unknowable unknowns in this kind of speculation that you might as well leave it up to faith. We're not getting answers anytime soon.
Good on you for rightfully taking the piss out of bugmen who listen to woke pundits. Not so good on you for misrepresenting both science and religion by muddling them together as similar or even identical things with no meaningful distinction.
6/10, decent work OP
KUL-DANK ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:51:21 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Religion is pretty much garbage with the current religious leaders
The great catholic priests claim to be christians, but dont even follow the bible
Jesus was killed by religious priests like those catholics, because they were jealous of him
Also Jesus came to set us free from religion, so that we might live in the spirit, for who lives in the spirit shall be freed from sin
you know that would be an intresting statement, if i wouldnt have already been shown things that are from another world, or if i wouldnt have the holy spirit
unfortunately for you, i have both
Jesus is the one and only God and he will come back soon and you better repent from your sins and get saved
Hypothetically they can if they lived a 'good life', they'd just have a long an arduous journey through purgatory to make and would be catholic by the time they got out
Unlikely though, most atheists arent very moral people
Those who argue against god via religionโs god and fail to see how empiricism cannot adequately address the metaphysical are 100% why no one can have an actual modern discussion about god vs no god.
In a similar vein, John 14:6 is really interesting. If we accept the idea of the trinity, Jesus may be the only way to the Father, but what about the Spirit? The verse seems to suggest that there are alternative routes to God through the Holy Spirit that do not involve Jesus. Why not say "The only way to salvation/heaven/eternal life is through me"? If the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are equally and completely God, and Jesus is not the only way to the Spirit, I don't see how that could not suggest other means of contact with God than through Jesus.
Jesus is fully human and fully God.
You can compare jesus to a character in a videogame that you control. The people you are playing with can talk to you directly, by calling your real name, or they can talk to your character by calling your characters name, but in the end its both you.
Jesus is the way, because he is the one who was sacrificed for our sins, but the holy spirit is thw one that Jesus has send to us as a comforter, because Jesus left this world, but he didnt fully leave us alone, thats what the holy spirit is for.
Catholics are not Christian. At least the higher-ranking priests who actually understand Catholic theology. Catholic theology has many core issues that do not sign with Christianity that realistically, they can't be considered Christians.
The thing is, religion just kinda guesses shit that isn't true while the scientific method disproves everything that is wrong so that we can get closer and closer to the truth. That's how we know that we're made of stardust, so to speak. Billions of years ago one star exploded into a supernova causing a bunch of elements in the periodic system to form. The dust then collapsed on its own gravitational pull which eventually caused fusion to form, making our own star. The star dust in orbit around the sun then clumped together in the heat to form planets that then cooled down or the orbit destabilized and they crashed into the sun. Then life formed on earth, most likely by a lightning storm or in a geothermal vent that caused amino acids and eventually basic cells to form. Then the mitochondria evolved and later incorporated with cells and the rest of life took on from there all the way to us humans, homo sapiens. So "black science man" is actually completely right in asserting that we're really just star dust. But we're also the earth, since all that we're made up off is on earth. And all the energy we use to exist comes from the sun in one way or the other. It's truly amazing. Religion could never come to such a conclusion unless it was just out of blind guesswork. That doesn't mean religion is bad or god doesn't exist, it just means that religion can't give us any answers about the world we live in.
Religion and science serve very different purposes, and each have a place in a man's life. The joke in this image is that the (caricacture of a) contrarian athiest refuses an insightful and valuable concept of Christianity - that the existence of man is ultimately worthless and meaningless, that grand material wealth and fame will not spare you from a final state of being but dust in the wind - as merely the imaginary and inherently misguided principles of le evil religion, but immediately accepts its profoundness as soon as it's conveyed to him through the lens of "science".
I apologize for everyone else being so hostile to you in this thread, but it's a bit difficult not to meme that rambling wall of text that you just posted.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:29:12 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
well duh, religion isn't mean to give scientific answers about the creation of the universe or life, it's meant to be a guide on morality first and foremost. And there, we know for certain science gives absolutely no answers
Its ironic you talk about the Scientic Method because Everything you mentioned about Evolution, has not been proven by the Scientific Method, and is historical conjecture at best.
For a hypothesis to be proven by the Scientific method, it has to replicable, nothing you mentioned about Evolution has ever been replicated in a Labatory.....
But you don't necessarily need the scientific method to come to a consensus on evolution. You just need an overwhelming body of evidence, which we have.
You didn't say Scientific Consesus, you said the "Scientific Method." You absolutely do need to have replicable results to have use the Scientific method.
If you want to talk about how many things Scientific Consesus has been wrong about in the past, even recent history , let me know and we can discuss that. However the Scientific Method does require replication , and none of the things you mentioned about Evolution have ever been replicated.
Out of all these science peddlers Lawrence Krauss is probably the most annoying. Imagine a beta geek who spent his young life being pushed around and now that he's all famous he's making up for lost time and flaunts a HUGE ego.
Thankfully he was outed as a sexual deviant and sullied his reputation permanently. Good.
Bruh I just think the Bible's kinda overrated, the clashing of different authors throughout the book kinda ruined the flow. Nevertheless, still a decent read. I'd recommend it to anyone trying to get into reading during this quarantine at least, stay productive fellas
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Milky2813 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:00:21 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even religious but acting like "We're all made of star dust" is some sort of profound life changing idea is ridiculous. Anyone with three brain cells and a basic understanding of how chemistry/physics works understands that us being made of star dust is nothing special because EVERYTHING is made of star dust.
McDiezel2 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:28:58 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The whole universe is made from the same atomic components? WOW BLACK MAN SMART
spookyghostface ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 21:43:31 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that everyone in this thread fixates on Tyson's race even though Carl Sagan is the one that said this is really telling. It's not the quote that bothers you is it?
TriggeringEveryone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:24:51 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackScienceMan/comments/9sa7q8/mind_blowing/
SignificantBandicoot ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:41:38 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
"The universe was created by god"
LMAO so stupid you believe in flying spaghetti monster??
"The universe was created by big bang"
OMG so smart and profound
HUGE__POOP ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:21:04 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I hate atheist circlejerks on reddit more than anything. They act enlightened while recycling 50 year old talking points. You ever seen r/atheism? Its literally just "God Bad. Christians Bad. Science good. Me smart."
Im not even particularly religious either.
DepressToImpress ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:03:31 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well reddit atheism isn't representative of reality the same way reddit socialism or reddit hatred for Trump isn't representative of reality.
I used to defend r/atheism for a while but they hate Christians and they're unironically violent people. Not like before where at least it had some internal consistency and was against violence. r/atheism is proof that even nonbelievers can become religious bigots.
2spooky4h ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:03:23 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I took a Christian biology class and this was basically the point my teacher made. Every minor detail is so meticulously created to suit the needs of so many different living creatures. Why is an all-knowing Creator so ridiculous to believe in but an explosion and everything just happening to come together is logical?
OwnReading8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:08 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Evidence.
OwnCantaloupe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:20 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
With an infinite number of trials, you'd expect even the most remote of possibilities to come up eventually. There's also survivorship bias. We know this specific tuning of fundamental forces and physical interactions is vital for our universe, but it doesn't necessarily follow that other configurations would preclude the existence of complex systems and life in a form we don't even know how to imagine. Or in other words, just because it's necessary for us to exist doesn't mean it's necessary for anything to exist.
But when it comes down to it, there are so many unknowable unknowns in this kind of speculation that you might as well leave it up to faith. We're not getting answers anytime soon.
Faffwongles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you for rightfully taking the piss out of bugmen who listen to woke pundits. Not so good on you for misrepresenting both science and religion by muddling them together as similar or even identical things with no meaningful distinction.
6/10, decent work OP
KUL-DANK ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:51:21 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Religion is pretty much garbage with the current religious leaders
The great catholic priests claim to be christians, but dont even follow the bible
Jesus was killed by religious priests like those catholics, because they were jealous of him
Also Jesus came to set us free from religion, so that we might live in the spirit, for who lives in the spirit shall be freed from sin
Liamb2179 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:50:37 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the grand inquisitor, the poem by Dostoevsky found in The Brothers Karamazov. If Jesus came back today he would 100% be killed or silenced.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:37:06 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:11 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
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KUL-DANK ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:05:58 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
you know that would be an intresting statement, if i wouldnt have already been shown things that are from another world, or if i wouldnt have the holy spirit
unfortunately for you, i have both
Jesus is the one and only God and he will come back soon and you better repent from your sins and get saved
ShotgunHaircut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:33 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Keep meaning to read that, thanks for the reminder
73616420616C74 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:27:44 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Is this crypto-gnosticism lmao
KUL-DANK ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:48 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
no, it means having the holy spirit of God.
We are sealed by the holy spirit until the day of redemption
you will understand once you get truly saved
steamboat90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:00 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Amen.
SexualTentacion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:04 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Gnosticism is based
73616420616C74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:28 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Gnosticism is heresy
SexualTentacion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:45 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the archons want you to believe
boobiemcgoogle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:19 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Couple years back, the Pope said even atheists can get into heaven. Heโs gotta be a plant because he just undermined his own religions foundation.
General_Shitty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:28:21 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Hypothetically they can if they lived a 'good life', they'd just have a long an arduous journey through purgatory to make and would be catholic by the time they got out
Unlikely though, most atheists arent very moral people
Pampibambi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:19 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Catholicism is garbage, it's two millenium year history is thrown out, because of it's current leaders...?
kskdjdjdjdkdkdjd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:33 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Those who argue against god via religionโs god and fail to see how empiricism cannot adequately address the metaphysical are 100% why no one can have an actual modern discussion about god vs no god.
not_of_this_world1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:44 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Video about religion vs Jesus.
InfamousPen6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:59 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar vein, John 14:6 is really interesting. If we accept the idea of the trinity, Jesus may be the only way to the Father, but what about the Spirit? The verse seems to suggest that there are alternative routes to God through the Holy Spirit that do not involve Jesus. Why not say "The only way to salvation/heaven/eternal life is through me"? If the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are equally and completely God, and Jesus is not the only way to the Spirit, I don't see how that could not suggest other means of contact with God than through Jesus.
KUL-DANK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus is fully human and fully God. You can compare jesus to a character in a videogame that you control. The people you are playing with can talk to you directly, by calling your real name, or they can talk to your character by calling your characters name, but in the end its both you.
Jesus is the way, because he is the one who was sacrificed for our sins, but the holy spirit is thw one that Jesus has send to us as a comforter, because Jesus left this world, but he didnt fully leave us alone, thats what the holy spirit is for.
saint-constantine324 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:52 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Orthodox Church
steamboat90 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:48 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Catholics are not Christian. At least the higher-ranking priests who actually understand Catholic theology. Catholic theology has many core issues that do not sign with Christianity that realistically, they can't be considered Christians.
General_Shitty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:29:40 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Protestant nonsense. The Catholic Church was literally founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 AD
73616420616C74 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:00:47 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
"Noooo everyone for the last 1500 years was wrong and I'm right because the Bible which I removed books from says so in my opinion"
-Martin Luther in his theological disagreements with the Church, and all protestants that followed
kioshiacute ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:58 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS SCIEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
Katten_elvis ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:32:09 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, religion just kinda guesses shit that isn't true while the scientific method disproves everything that is wrong so that we can get closer and closer to the truth. That's how we know that we're made of stardust, so to speak. Billions of years ago one star exploded into a supernova causing a bunch of elements in the periodic system to form. The dust then collapsed on its own gravitational pull which eventually caused fusion to form, making our own star. The star dust in orbit around the sun then clumped together in the heat to form planets that then cooled down or the orbit destabilized and they crashed into the sun. Then life formed on earth, most likely by a lightning storm or in a geothermal vent that caused amino acids and eventually basic cells to form. Then the mitochondria evolved and later incorporated with cells and the rest of life took on from there all the way to us humans, homo sapiens. So "black science man" is actually completely right in asserting that we're really just star dust. But we're also the earth, since all that we're made up off is on earth. And all the energy we use to exist comes from the sun in one way or the other. It's truly amazing. Religion could never come to such a conclusion unless it was just out of blind guesswork. That doesn't mean religion is bad or god doesn't exist, it just means that religion can't give us any answers about the world we live in.
nazbol_weeb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
Religion and science serve very different purposes, and each have a place in a man's life. The joke in this image is that the (caricacture of a) contrarian athiest refuses an insightful and valuable concept of Christianity - that the existence of man is ultimately worthless and meaningless, that grand material wealth and fame will not spare you from a final state of being but dust in the wind - as merely the imaginary and inherently misguided principles of le evil religion, but immediately accepts its profoundness as soon as it's conveyed to him through the lens of "science".
I apologize for everyone else being so hostile to you in this thread, but it's a bit difficult not to meme that rambling wall of text that you just posted.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:29:12 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
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Katten_elvis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:54 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you copy and paste what I just said?
Gravnor ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
he thinks he is le funny because comment was long so if he ctrl v long comment he is the funny
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:52 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
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Gravnor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:33 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
not funny didnโt laugh
Dorfus_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:12 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
They can't offer an actual argument, so they mock and downvote like children. There's nothing based in acting like 5 year olds, kings.
Pampibambi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:38 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
well duh, religion isn't mean to give scientific answers about the creation of the universe or life, it's meant to be a guide on morality first and foremost. And there, we know for certain science gives absolutely no answers
murder_for_atheism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:30 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Its ironic you talk about the Scientic Method because Everything you mentioned about Evolution, has not been proven by the Scientific Method, and is historical conjecture at best.
For a hypothesis to be proven by the Scientific method, it has to replicable, nothing you mentioned about Evolution has ever been replicated in a Labatory.....
spookyghostface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:02 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't necessarily need the scientific method to come to a consensus on evolution. You just need an overwhelming body of evidence, which we have.
murder_for_atheism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:59 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't say Scientific Consesus, you said the "Scientific Method." You absolutely do need to have replicable results to have use the Scientific method.
If you want to talk about how many things Scientific Consesus has been wrong about in the past, even recent history , let me know and we can discuss that. However the Scientific Method does require replication , and none of the things you mentioned about Evolution have ever been replicated.
spookyghostface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:48 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say anything
BeaverTeeth2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:29 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
degrasse is hated by lefties and says some pretty unorthodox stuff tho
tbh you're kinda being a consumer of gossip
Pampibambi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:26 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
No hes not, the left adores him.
BeaverTeeth2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:01 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
no they don't, you're thinking of bill nye the mechanical engineer guy
Pampibambi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:01 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I really dont know anyone who "hates" tyson
BeaverTeeth2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
do you have to know someone personally for that person to exist
Pampibambi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:23 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
No, but to make a blanket statement like "the left hates tyson" I would have found that at least one leftist I know hates tyson
NefariousBanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:42 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
What does NDT do anymore besides being a professional pedant?
DepressToImpress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:28 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Out of all these science peddlers Lawrence Krauss is probably the most annoying. Imagine a beta geek who spent his young life being pushed around and now that he's all famous he's making up for lost time and flaunts a HUGE ego.
Thankfully he was outed as a sexual deviant and sullied his reputation permanently. Good.
CapoKang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:11 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
YESSS CONSOOOM WAFER AND GRAPE JUICE AND SING NAUSEATING MUMBO JUMBO
Heisenburger42 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:12 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh I just think the Bible's kinda overrated, the clashing of different authors throughout the book kinda ruined the flow. Nevertheless, still a decent read. I'd recommend it to anyone trying to get into reading during this quarantine at least, stay productive fellas
MrMsPaint2004 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:17:30 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Lol Religion is literally the ultimate Consooomer Product. Don't ask questions just pray to sky man and get excited to meet sky man.
General_Shitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:08 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit moment
DepressToImpress ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:26 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
iF yOuRe So SmArT dIsPrOvE aQuInAs' FiVe PrOoFs SeE yOu CaNt hAHa
brodudebrodude123 ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 16:24:46 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no the atheist insulted my heckin based biblerooni!
neigeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:22 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
dont care didnt ask plus you're a lefty
ShamAbram ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:26:43 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Ecclesiastes is the best part of the Bible. Its also the part of the Bible that was cribbed from the stoics who stole it from the Indians.
DepressToImpress ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:30 on April 20, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that'd be really interesting if I gave a shit.