Because a lot of people are very computer illiterate. It means about as much as "Single, secure pass open source disk space cleaner on email server" to people not familiar with it.
Probably because the intern running the NBCNews twitter feed has no clue what "acid washed" means.
DarkHater ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 13:05:43 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It was unfortunate that he again lacked polish in the debate. This mix up of a half remembered talking point was pretty characteristic of his performance in the second debate.
Half the time you could figure out what he was talking about if you were following the election fairly closely, but for the average undecided/uninformed voter, many of his statements seemed disjointed. He needed a follow-up sentence to provide context to the uninitiated, but he never made it.
This is an example of a lack of debate preparation and comes across as confusing and rambling if you don't know what he is talking about and unpolished if you do. I wanted more, and he didn't deliver.
I don't support him (or Hillary), but I at least wanted a decent showing at the debate. This felt like amateur hour. It's an example of not having to work for things. Debate preparation isn't something you can delegate or cram in at the last minute. He just seemed unprepared.
Lmfao there was nothing wrong with Trump's quote as he only said acid wash as a figure of speech. NBC then took his figure of speech and made a fact check out of it (that's the whole point of the thread)
It's like if I said "oh man those NFL players are as fast as the speed of sound" and then NBC took that comment and fact checked it.
Lol, fact check Madden. "He just hit him like a freight train!" Nope. He's a human, a freight train is a large locomotive that transports cargo, often referred to as "freight." The more you know.
Like I said, this was not a one off. He made novice debate mistakes throughout the night. I dismissed this early quote because I knew he was talking about the usage of Bleachbit to delete the server because I followed that story about the guy asking Reddit how to alter the subpoenaed evidence.
That said, if you have no idea what Bleachbit is, you would not have gotten his incorrect reference. It is not an industry term, it is not a term that is used to describe erasing data. "Wiped? Like with a cloth?" It is not a figure of speech because nobody says that. Sound is quick, acid isn't used to erase things in our lexicon.
Acid wash is what was done to the jeans in the pictures from the 90's you now cringe at because you can't believe anyone actually wore those things and thought they were cool.
It was not a figure of speech, because it is not used that way in our vernacular. He was incorrectly remembering a talking point about Bleachbit because he was not properly prepared. Having prepared myself and others for many debates and trial work, the lack of polish was pronounced and the mistakes are common ones that can be fixed by additional preparation and training.
Trump needs practice, Clinton is not a master debater. His being unprepared is making her look good and it's annoying.
As a lawyer and former debater I agree entirely with your criticism, I noticed it too. I think the one thing Trump does well is that he sounds natural, it helps him connect with his audience better than someone who sounds overly prepared, that said if he could sound as natural while being more prepared I think he could have handily won last nights debate.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:35:01 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a public speaker (on a much smaller scale) he is forgetting the grandma principle. When you are speaking you should be able to play your speech back and have anyone understand it. He is too involved in the cycle and often forgot to drive home the point. We knew what he was getting at, but Main Street might not have.
Couple that with the not answering questions and it was muddy.
If he can get a bit crisper on the next one he might be getting near someone that a third party voter could get behind.
He did make some great points and was more composed than round one though.
Yeah, while it is funny there are certainly people out there that would think she literally dipped the hard drives in acid or something. Probably more people than you would really be comfortable with, but you are in IT so you probably know.
Meakis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:35:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, though granted ... dipping hard drives in acid would be a good way of removing data.
These people are in current day and age a sizeable minority.
I was actually just about to ask if the acid bath would work. I mean, I like my PC just fine, but the damn thing is acting a fool lately - it won't let me download WoW updates and it just shuts down and I'm sure it's a heat issue compounded by internal cat-hair congestion - but I'm starting to get mad.
The_BenL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:26 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a heat issue caused by the cat hair ingestion. Clean that sucker.
I need to. It's just a bitch climbing under the desk, trying to get a good picture of what-all is plugged into where-all, then lugging it next door to the bathtub to air everything down. (I've never done it before and I'm nervous about accidentally harming a component.)
The_BenL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised how tough computer components are. I pull mine out and open it up every couple months, as long as you're careful and don't drop it you should be fine.
Fun fact, Clinton not turning over her emails when she left the state department legally prohibits her from holding office. So technically, she is literally disqualified. But apparently she's above the law, so no one cares.
Also, for anyone interested, Google us code 18 section 2071 and the second link is a snopes article on it. They claim that the statement I made is "mostly false". Read through it. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seemed to me to be a hot load of bullshit. They said that some dude made the claim that Hillary couldn't be president based on this and then a "bipartisan legal team looked at it and determined there was no legal basis for this claim". And then he retracted his statement claiming "oh, I guess you're right, that doesn't mean that. Plus the phrase 'prohibited from holding office' probably was more of a suggestion"...... What!?!?!? Someone explained this to me? Just sounds so much like a Comey thing all over again.
If you don't have an ample supply of money and power I'm pretty sure you get disqualified.
Odkin ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 07:38:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More "fact-checking". Nobody mentions that the choice of what facts are "checked", and which are ignored, is completely driven by the medias usual partisan biases.
Last night Hillary said there were millions of people live fact checking on on her website during the first debate and that she expects the same tonight. How the hell does that work? Millions of shills on her website fact checking, yeah, I'm sure that'll be fair and balanced.
It's not millions of people posting on the website. It's millions of people checking the facts that get posted on the website. She's encouraging people to read what her team puts up, not to join a team of millions.
Do with that what you will. I just wanted to clear it up because it made me do a double take last night myself
Obviously it's pro Clinton if its stuff on her website. In the first debate Trump said they were on his website too. Which would obviously be pro Trump stuff.
But the problem with Trumps site is that no one was fact checking. He lied.
Politifact: pants on fire, the sky is pink at dusk and dawn, black at night, and grey during bad weather, and the blue coloring isn't inherent to the sky itself, it's caused by the refraction of sunlight through the atmosphere
Poiticfact: The sky is not blue, it actually violet blue, this is caused by the defraction of light in atmosphere. Human eyes cannot see this because they are fine tuned to see blue.
Eh em, thats actually why the sky is blue, and is mostly correct, but even when given this defenition, they would refuse to say it to Clinton.
aew360 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 04:39:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fucking metaphor.... oh my god 2016 is going to give me a heart attack
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:34:12 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Yoxinov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just another form of doublethink. They know that creating a 70% untruthful rating is much more important than demonstrating their understanding of communication.
[deleted] ยท 238 points ยท Posted at 03:34:25 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The implied lie, put forth by NBC in this "fact check," is that Clinton didn't physically destroy data, which is far worse than Trump's fumbling the name of the software.
[deleted] ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 06:18:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Let's set aside Trump and his personality for a moment. Whatever you think of the man, this election has been a chilling, blood-curdling, creepy display of what happens when somebody comes along and threatens to upset the world order.
This is nothing short of the rich, powerful, globalist elites deciding that they need to take out the guy who could upset the apple cart. Has Trump done himself any favours by giving them ammo? Absolutely not. But Hillary is bought and paid for by people who have a vested interest in perpetuating our horribly broken system.
These people (the Clintons and the snakes that surround them) will destroy and have destroyed everyone in their path with their considerable resources. Trump is a billionaire, so at least he's insulated from the worst of it, but the poor women who dared stand in front of the Clinton machine by bringing forth their allegations never stood a chance.
It has nothing to do with who or what HE is, but everything to do with who and what SHE is.
dizzyd719 ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 10:45:34 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While Clinton isnt ideal, atleast she has actual policies and defends them. The only thing I hear trump say is "policies? I have them. Their great. People love my policies, you'll see."
Did you even see the debate? The one where he covered his tax plan, medical coverage plan, etc? I don't agree with a lot of his ideas or policies, but don't claim that they don't exist.
What is his medical plan? In the debate last night, he said he would be repealing the ACA but would somehow keep all of the benefits. When he was asked if he was introducing a plan, he didn't answer.
dizzyd719 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 11:10:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His tax plan? " I'm going to cut taxes" How? Who is going to pick up the slack? You can't cut taxes and keep the spending the same that will only lead to more debt.
If you are going to cut spending, where? None of these things were mentioned tonight
Also, he can choose to disagree with his running mate on Syria, but the fact he said they don't talk about it is concerning.
_pulsar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:42:31 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All candidates make vague promises. Even if they said I'll do X, Y and Z by cutting A, B and C there's no guarantee that Congress will play ball.
Hillary didn't spell out her tax plan either. This is a debate, it's not the end all information source for the candidates. You can find plenty of sources online that line out Trump's tax plan in full. If you stopped talking for a minute and looked for it you'd be able to read the whole thing rather easily.
We tried this in Kansas and it's been a massive failure with record budget issues. We recently increased our sales tax to compensate and that still hasn't been enough.
How is Trump's plan different?
Also, wouldn't his Wall require massive up keeping expenses to man and maintain properly? What about our military he said he's going to increase. Won't that also increase spending at a time that he knows he'll have less revenue?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'll respond to this once I'm home from work.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:24 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton wants to raise classes on the middle class, something I am terrible against.
Carried interest was literally the only policy point that he had the entire night, but he's so horribly incompetent he couldn't explain what that is or why cutting it is important. Instead he would just say carried interest and then go on a tangent about how awful Hillary is.
Psst! Generally lower taxes means a stronger economy. A stronger economy means increased revenue. The only reason Obama has lost a ton of money and run a huge deficit as the right correctly claims is that the economy hasn't caught up with the curve it had from 2008ish.
Also people are down voting what is ultimately a pro-Obama sentiment. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Take a damned economics course some time.
Stop spreading this fucking lie. Kansas did this exact thing and guess what? It fucking failed. Because you can't just slash taxes and expect the economy to improve. The only time that cutting taxes improves the economy is if the taxes were holding businesses back. If there's a different reason for the economy stalling then cutting taxes isn't going to fix anything.
You are right on that. That is why I said generally. Targeting tax subsidies for solar power in Alaska wouldn't do shit but waste money. Target tax breaks for the finance industry might help trigger greater investment. Tax breaks for manufacturing similarly.
It isn't a lie though. Don't be myopic about the world around you. In some cases these tax breaks can be incredibly helpful. Carefully design tax breaks and even broad ones for multiple industries needing assistance can change the entire economic battlefield bring business to US companies or encouraging spending.
The point of it is that the deficit we run now is largely due to a worsened economy and not because of differences in government spending. A stronger economy will turn around or deficit, not increased taxes.
Also Kansas? Fucking Kansas? We could point to numerous national level efforts over the last decade or even two and see when it worked. Only a couple where it failed. National level it can make a difference since so much of the economy can be touched and pushed.
Could you clarify how the Kansas plan failed? Everything I'm looking at suggests it's too soon to really determine whether or not it was a huge failure, and I'm not well informed about the whole subject and don't know a good source to use.
Brownback slashed taxes on businesses with the promise that he wouldn't need to raise other taxes because the economic boom would make up for the lower tax rate. But that boom never came. Kansas's economy did grow during that period, but that was because the entire country was coming out of the recession during that time. In fact, the growth in Kansas was lower than the national average.
Since the economic boom has yet to show up, the legislature was forced to make severe cuts to spending to balance the budget. They gutted the education department to the point that the Kansas Supreme Court ruled that the state government wasn't fulfilling it's (state)constitutional mandate to provide public education to the entire state. As far as I know that fight is still ongoing and has generated a whole bunch of issues as well.
The legislature also slashed the budget in several departments and made up the difference by taking several hundred million dollars from the state highway fund over the last 2 years. But all of those spending cuts still weren't enough to cover the deficit of the tax cuts. But rather than admit they were wrong or a little too zealous with the tax cuts, they refused to reverse some of the tax cuts to businesses and we're willing to shut down the state government because instead. They eventually decided to face the reality that the needed more taxes, so instead of increasing the business taxes they originally cut, they increased the sales, alcohol, cigarette, and gas taxes.
The entire debacle was an exercise in stupidity and stubbornness and could have easily been avoided if the Republicans were willing to use even the smallest amount of common sense. Instead, our schools are severely underfunded, our once prized highway system is about to fall apart since road maintenence is underfunded, multiple projects for new road construction that are desperately needed are being pushed off due to lack of funding, and businesses are still paying damn near 0% in taxes while the rest of us shoulder the deficit. And on top of all that, the economy is still barely keeping up with the rest of the country.
TLDR: Fuck Brownback
Source: I work for the state government and had to live through all this bullshit.
I have no idea how we keep allowing politicians to do terrible jobs while still keeping their position.
Ha! That's the worst part of all of this: this asshole got reelected.
apawst8 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:08:29 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wat? That's something you say about Bernie or Cruz. Not Hillary. Hillary has no positions of her own at all, just saying whatever she thinks will get her elected. The policy discussions at the debate are vague pablum that she thinks has tested well in front of whatever audience she's aiming for.
Well, I know this is the wrong sub to say anything negative about trump (even if it's wrong). But sometimes you do need to look at it from both perspectives.
Hillary has flipped on certain issues, but she does admit to it. Where as trump will go on about how he was always against / for it depending on which way the crowd sways
bitbait ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 11:25:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the wrong sub for criticizing Trump at all, a lot of people here are opposed to Trump. It's just the wrong sub to promote Hillary Clinton as a good candidate for presidency.
Which doesn't mean this is an echo-chamber, but it's /r/conservative after all. Just like it would be weird to promote Mike Pence or Ted Cruz in /r/progressive
apawst8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:40:23 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My post didn't mention Trump at all. I was responding to your defense of Hillary on "the issues." What exactly does she stand for? Higher taxes and gun confiscation, as far as I can tell.
If you're a conservative, but not a Trump fan, the primary reason you should vote for Trump is because Hillary is likely to nominate 3 Supreme Court justices (the already vacant, Scalia seat, RBG, and Kennedy). Maybe even 4 with Breyer.
I still don't think that's a good enough reason to vote Trump. The Republicans will (should) retain the House and Senate (though not a supermajority in either), so they will have a lot of say in court nominations. She can pick whoever she wants, but if she doesn't pick central-right candidates, they can just block them.
That goes both ways though. Trump wouldn't be able to get another Scalia through. The Dems will just block that nomination.
apawst8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:26:48 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did it this year, but they can't block the Supreme Court forever.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:03:59 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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apawst8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:00 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're doubting that she's for gun control, here's a Huffington Post article noting that she has praised "gun buyback" programs.
If you think (correctly), that gun confiscation will never pass a Republican Congress, remember that she will nominate anti-2nd amendment justices to the Supreme Court.
But HOW do we get those things? That's what matters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:20 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love it if the federal government actually stopped overreaching for 4 to 8 years (or more).
Many of the problems plaguing the nation are the result of "policies" that were terrible or had no business being enacted by the feds in the first place. So, yeah, she has plans for what she wants to do when she finally attains the power she's been chasing for 3 decades. That freaking terrifies me.
This statement nullifies anything else you've said for me: 'Let's set aside Trump and his personality for a moment.'. You can't do that with this man, though. He is an arrogant, temperamental, unpredictable megalomaniac. He could get pissed off from a midnight tweet from Putin and threaten to nuke Russia, or he could decide that he only wanted the presidency for name recognition and let Pence do the day to day. I LITERALLY have zero idea what to expect from him and that makes him a danger, plain and simple.
At least we know roughly what to expect from a Clinton in the white House. And I'd much prefer it over nuclear war or the load of other bad outcomes that Trump could easily produce.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Then you missed my point: I don't care one iota whether or not you can bring yourself to vote for Trump. This isn't a post about him and his dealings.
This is about the Clintons and a vast media/money machine that has a vested interest in getting her into power. It's creepy and it doesn't bode well for the future or your freedoms.
Do I wish a better candidate could be there to fight her? Hell yes. But that machine would turn itself towards that candidate with equal vigor (but perhaps not equal results).
I think you're minimizing how much Trump has torpedoed his own campaign. Sanders is a better example of what you're talking about IMO. He's a level headed, competent individual with actual policy ideas (yes, with which many here would disagree) and yet he never stood a chance. So I guess I agree with you that the system is bought, paid for, and yes, it's scary. But Trump is an exceptional example and what's happening cannot be fully blamed on the 'machine.'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Trump's failings are mostly earned. It's still terrifying to peer behind the curtain every once in a while.
Then he should have stopped sandbagging sometime in August. It's too late for him to make up his deficit. He's 6 points down in the polls with a month left to go (possibly 9-10 points after the 'grab her by the pussy' leak), he just lost a second debate, and the GOP has completed abandoned him to focus on keeping Senate seats.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:31:18 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he lost this debate? I'd give the first one to Hillary no questions but this one was definitely his.
Just because he did better than the first debate doesn't mean he won. Clinton still did a lot better than him. She had more fleshed out policy positions, less mistakes, didn't whine about the moderators, didn't throw her running mate under the bus, dodged less questions, and just overall looked more presidential.
I kind of wish that the next polls took place between the "grab them by the pussy" leak and the debate so we can see which one had a bigger impact. As it is, it's going to be hard to tell if Trump's debate performance was able to counteract the audio leak, and to what extent if it did.
Claim: Donald Trump claims Hillary Clinton "acid washed" 33,000 personal emails to delete them, something he said was an "expensive process".
Reality Check verdict: A claim that has been debunked before. The FBI said Clinton's team used a free software programme called BleachBit. No chemicals were used. When he first made this claim, Trump's campaign said that he did not literally mean "acid washed", adding that it was a play on words and reference to a joke made by Clinton about "wiping" her email server with a cloth. BleachBit debunked Trump's claim on its website saying the software is not "very expensive," adding that it is completely free of charge.
He released a bunch Friday. Both sides probably have more.
apawst8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:38:23 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was promising a grand slam, he released a bunt single.
Lysah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's still another debate left. If he is biased and against Hillary (which, let's be honest, he probably is after her comments about wanting to drone strike him) and legitimately wants her to lose, rather than simply expose the truth, it would make sense that he would save his best bits for then. You definitely want to save the best for last, unless forced to use it early due to slipping support, because the last thing people hear is what they remember the most. You don't want to give the media time to defend Hillary, you don't want to give people time to forget (and people forget VERY fast these days, Hillary's email scandal already seems like last year's news), you don't want to leave an open window for them to come up with something even more scandalous against you.
All that being said, I am still skeptical he has anything really damning on her. He seems to really just be riding the election high for attention, but I do have some faith in his leaks because he should know that if his leaks amount to nothing he will lose all credibility and it will do a lot of damage to him in the long run.
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:02 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to give the media time to defend Hillary, you don't want to give people time to forget (and people forget VERY fast these days, Hillary's email scandal already seems like last year's news), you don't want to leave an open window for them to come up with something even more scandalous against you.
Problem with that is elections are no longer one day. Many jurisdictions (most, I believe), allow early voting or mail in voting.
Lysah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:10 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's true, which is why I think the leaks/the Donald scandals are starting to hit now. I'm sure both sides will have a lot more to say in the coming weeks, but they're definitely starting earlier and earlier every election. I would try to argue, though, that early voters are people who are generally more passionate and more likely to be hardcore loyal to their candidate.
Hillary colluded with the DNC. We get it. She colluded (and continues to) with the media. We get it. How many redundant emails can you release to try to convince her base to believe it's all rigged in her favor?
And honestly- it's not going to make a difference unless Democrats start to turn on her like they are turning on Trump. I'd say 90% of voters don't follow details like that. Even Trump's recordings wouldn't touch him in the polls, if it weren't for Ryan/McConnell/Priebus/McCain/Bush/Cruz et. al. denouncing him.
Why do my fellow conservatives follow that rapist?
rempred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:28 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh no it's retarded
Yoxinov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:33 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are getting downvoted, but does anyone think Hillary suddenly got ahold of the tape last week and released it immediately? They could very well have a dozen controversial tapes ready to release to the Clinton News Network to broadcast for 48 hours straight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just being realistic. All of this is strategic. Does anyone really believe that someone as conniving as Clinton would really hedge her entire bet on one semi controversial video on someone who has less self control than a teething infant? This is just the beginning of a soon to be overwhelming 24 hour news cycle of Trump gaffes.
z64dan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:47:00 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet, Trump is getting NBC News to advertise the fact that Clinton used BleachBit.
So what about Fox news? They don't claim honest bias, neither does msnbc.
And The Young Turds claim honest bias so what about them?
ultimis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:49 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox is a known conservative channel. That is 100% honest bias, they attempt to present the news on their news programs (not opinion programs) as fair as possible. And in the past have been noted during the elections to be more fair than the other mediums.
On the other hand ABC, CBS, NBC, NYTimes, etc all act like they are just reporting the facts. Yet they are completely in the tank for democrats and have been for over a decade (it's not even bias, it's pure propaganda). If they were honest about their bias it wouldn't be nearly so bad, but they literally pretend as if they are just being reporters.
And The Young Turds claim honest bias so what about them?
I have never watched them. Why do you think Bernie was so popular? It's because he was honest about what he stood for (even though it was a shitty ideology, he was honest about it). People are sick of being lied to and manipulated.
xwhy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to know that they acknowledge that she committed a federal crime, and the proper way it was carried out.
This Just In: She didn't wipe it with a cloth, either.
xwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:14 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NBC Fact Checkers declare that to be TRUE.
BigAl265 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:15:13 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ho-lee-shit!!! Bahahahah, the pandering and collusion is so disgusting it's not even questionable anymore. Next up at MSNBC : "Trump calls Mrs. Clintons pant suit blue, but it's clearly Alice Blue! Why does Mr Trump hate Alice, and by extension, all women!?!?"
I'd put a "/s" but it's not even sarcasm anymore...god help us...
aehlemn1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump hates Rosie O'Donnell. She is a woman. Therefore, trump hates women. -NBC
This is the level of intelligence of the mainstream media folks.
Jahodac ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:12 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So??? She deleted 33,000 emails off of her private server while under subpoena by using BleachBit? Glad that's settled.
Thanks NBC /s
f1sh98 ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 03:17:24 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact checks ("fact checks") are absolutely pathetic. It's a buzz phrase for them to counter and slash at Trump's attacks under the guise of objectivity. If anybody who reads these horrific excuses of journalism and believes them, they shouldn't vote.
Some people should not vote. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote, but being completely uneducated, and so painfully gullible is how we get people like Clinton.
I'm so flabbergasted with this shit. Main stream media has lost all objectivity. There's no obligation to report news any more. It's all agenda bullshit from our overloards.
If there was ever a reason to break up monopolies, this is it.
The media needs to be broken up into smaller media companies.
All 7 major cooperation need to go. Into like 70 different smaller ones.
f1sh98 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:56:06 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a more effective, and potentially more interesting move, is a law mandating that media corporations cannot be a subsidiary of any non media company.
Any law like that, besides being a gross violation of free enterprise, would fail utterly because any company can call itself a "media company" with the smallest of effort--especially umbrella/holding companies that basically have no other business.
sethu2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:40:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most Libertarians would agree that for free enterprise to exist, entry barriers have to be reduced. The problem with the current structure is the extremely high entry cost in terms of setting up of the infrastructure to broadcast.
There are some ideas to counter this, making some infrastructure available from the FCC in every media market. This would improve the competition.
Along with this, media companies need to have greater restriction of ownership in each market. Which was u/f1sh98's idea I assume.
There is literally no way to do what you'd like effectively and if you were to get there, you'd have suppressed our property rights and speech rights excessively.
Easy solution. Instead of being a subsidiary just have all the shares owned largely by an s corp or trust.
AntiSpec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're advocating that the government steps in and forcibly break up a corporation. That doesn't sound very conservative and the general argument for smaller government.
Now more than ever you have the choice to completely ignore the mainstream media and rely on independent media, like various podcasts.
ultimis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conservatives believe in free market capitalism. Collusion and monopolies run counter to that belief.
AntiSpec ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not even a monopoly, there's like 7 major media corporation and no one is forced to watch nor listen to them. Smaller media companies can and do pull viewers from them when they get tired of the main media. The internet has allowed us to do that.
ultimis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is that Clinton kept promoting her website for "fact checking."
Ahhhh yes. Please go to my personal website so I can tell you what to think about the issues. I will give you all the "facts" you need. I promise I will be unbiased. For real.
Hes done it before. I remember seeing a ton of reporters correcting him on twitter. I assume its intentional to draw attention to it.
MikeyPh ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:31:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
::calls NBC::
-- You know what confused me, Trump was stage right, but he looked like he was on the left, right? I mean like politically speaking, he's right, but he was on the left of the stage.
-- garbled bullshit
-- What's that NBC? Oh you say that him being on the right, doesn't mean he's literally always on the right of things?
-- garbled bullshit
-- Oh, it's figurative language, I see. So when you say Hillary is on the left, you don't mean like literally, right? Because she was on the right of the stage, but technically that's stage left.
sockmess ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:20:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since bleach is a base and not an acid NBC is correct! /s
f1sh98 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:30:45 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this what Custer's last stand felt? Just desperate combat? Throw the boots at them! Go down with a fight!
MikeyPh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:15:09 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness to NBC, Trump did say she acid washed the emails, literally. But it's kind of funny how it corrects his error with the truth that Hillary washed her emails with an app.
In other news, somebody at NBC doesn't understand metaphors.
fockface ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:27:57 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would Trump call it "acid washing"? I legitimately have never heard of the product BleachBit and was wondering if her team had dropped her hard drives in acid or something.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:29:09 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the files are "in" the computer? - Hansel.
Igardub ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:06:47 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't support him anymore. To just blatantly lie like that to us is deplorable. This fact check is what will ruin his chance to get elected.
The actual quote from Donald "....then you acid wash them- or bleach them"
He attempted to correct himself mid-sentence, if you couldn't figure out he was referring to bleachbit software, and not literal bleach then I don't know what to say.
Not to mention destroying evidence is destroying evidence, whether you used actual bleach or bleachbit is almost irrelevant. "Haha, yea she did destroy evidence but technically not in the way you described, rekt"
"fact-checks" often will make the reach for candidates on the left and give no benefit of the doubt based on context or slang to the right. it's like how Politifact rated Bernie Sanders "True" for saying black youth unemployment was above 50% (or even higher considering unemployment doesn't include high school drop outs) and rated Donald Trump "False" for saying black youth unemployment was above 50% (saying that it was just plain racist)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:08:28 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are they talking to, people who are smart enough to know the difference between an acid and a base, yet stupid enough to not know what a hyperbole is?
You noticed that too, eh? Fine distinction, and one that completely misses the damn point. Who CARES about your private account. It's the SERVER, lady.
Although I've lost it, there exists a sort of bias with respect to the media to accept that "they know best", similar to the bias I've noticed when people talk to their doctors. When something like this shatters the illusion (and it IS an illusion), my hope is that it's enough to get people to wonder what else have they been reporting that they've got wrong.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...unbelievable. And this is what they want to fact check on?
She is a Crook-period. The News media is so far in the tank for her we cannot expect any truth from these people. It is beyond wrong that we cannot get good or truthful news from most of the media today. Sadly many people take NBC News as the gospel so they will vote the way they swayed. Who fact checks them?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly a lot of Americans do not understand how a Storage device works, and how hard it is to remove data from it. Hes just using a phrase to express it.
I know it's so dumb. I'm so dumb. I get it. But when he started down that sentence my brains first reaction was "omg she acid-washed her jeans??" And I was offended for a half a second. And no I have no idea why that would offend me.
If someone used a publicly available program to clear something vs actually dismantling the server and dipping the HDDs in acid, the culpability level is definitely different.
In this comment: someone that doesn't understand that one guy giving a hard drive an acid bath on youtube does not make it a "thing", which would suggest that this is a normal practice.
If you want to destroy hard drive data quickly and without using software, the most effective and normal method is using a strong magnet which will instantly destroy the data.
Do you want me to link you to every video on the internet that demonstrates acid washing? Or are you going to concede your ridiculous point that I only showed you one guy on the internet?
crabzngainz ยท 425 points ยท Posted at 04:17:32 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this real?
aew360 ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 04:41:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.... this is so fucking sad
crabzngainz ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 04:48:36 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow
Miguelinileugim ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:21:42 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are at least 2 different people here depending on what part of the OP upsets them.
Cdr_Obvious ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:19:47 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
scuba7183 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:20:58 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ
How the hell is that NOT a joke?
drordinaire ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:27:17 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because a lot of people are very computer illiterate. It means about as much as "Single, secure pass open source disk space cleaner on email server" to people not familiar with it.
Cdr_Obvious ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the intern running the NBCNews twitter feed has no clue what "acid washed" means.
DarkHater ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 13:05:43 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It was unfortunate that he again lacked polish in the debate. This mix up of a half remembered talking point was pretty characteristic of his performance in the second debate.
Half the time you could figure out what he was talking about if you were following the election fairly closely, but for the average undecided/uninformed voter, many of his statements seemed disjointed. He needed a follow-up sentence to provide context to the uninitiated, but he never made it.
This is an example of a lack of debate preparation and comes across as confusing and rambling if you don't know what he is talking about and unpolished if you do. I wanted more, and he didn't deliver.
I don't support him (or Hillary), but I at least wanted a decent showing at the debate. This felt like amateur hour. It's an example of not having to work for things. Debate preparation isn't something you can delegate or cram in at the last minute. He just seemed unprepared.
Hi_Im_Ronald ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 13:11:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao there was nothing wrong with Trump's quote as he only said acid wash as a figure of speech. NBC then took his figure of speech and made a fact check out of it (that's the whole point of the thread)
It's like if I said "oh man those NFL players are as fast as the speed of sound" and then NBC took that comment and fact checked it.
inlinefourpower ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:05:23 on October 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, fact check Madden. "He just hit him like a freight train!" Nope. He's a human, a freight train is a large locomotive that transports cargo, often referred to as "freight." The more you know.
DarkHater ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:08:57 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Like I said, this was not a one off. He made novice debate mistakes throughout the night. I dismissed this early quote because I knew he was talking about the usage of Bleachbit to delete the server because I followed that story about the guy asking Reddit how to alter the subpoenaed evidence.
That said, if you have no idea what Bleachbit is, you would not have gotten his incorrect reference. It is not an industry term, it is not a term that is used to describe erasing data. "Wiped? Like with a cloth?" It is not a figure of speech because nobody says that. Sound is quick, acid isn't used to erase things in our lexicon.
Acid wash is what was done to the jeans in the pictures from the 90's you now cringe at because you can't believe anyone actually wore those things and thought they were cool.
It was not a figure of speech, because it is not used that way in our vernacular. He was incorrectly remembering a talking point about Bleachbit because he was not properly prepared. Having prepared myself and others for many debates and trial work, the lack of polish was pronounced and the mistakes are common ones that can be fixed by additional preparation and training.
Trump needs practice, Clinton is not a master debater. His being unprepared is making her look good and it's annoying.
CRAZYSCIENTIST ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:31:28 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a lawyer and former debater I agree entirely with your criticism, I noticed it too. I think the one thing Trump does well is that he sounds natural, it helps him connect with his audience better than someone who sounds overly prepared, that said if he could sound as natural while being more prepared I think he could have handily won last nights debate.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:35:01 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thank you for correcting the record
here is your $.02
DarkHater ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I was being paid to Reddit... I mean I guess I am, indirectly.
Ch4rlie_G ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:59 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a public speaker (on a much smaller scale) he is forgetting the grandma principle. When you are speaking you should be able to play your speech back and have anyone understand it. He is too involved in the cycle and often forgot to drive home the point. We knew what he was getting at, but Main Street might not have.
Couple that with the not answering questions and it was muddy.
If he can get a bit crisper on the next one he might be getting near someone that a third party voter could get behind.
He did make some great points and was more composed than round one though.
TRUMPOTUS ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:42 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol like he didn't mean to say what he did. He baited the media into covering it.
obadetona ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 14:06:46 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not.
colbster411 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it's on the official NBC Twitter
Cdr_Obvious ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:18:47 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is.
obadetona ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cunningham's Law works like a charm every time
Cdr_Obvious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. /s
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:21:37 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CTR shills gonna shill.
BeeracleOnIce ยท 394 points ยท Posted at 03:20:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh thank God they cleared that up, I thought I was just too dumb to know the difference
apocalypsebaconstrip ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 04:52:57 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
with a cloth?
rcattt ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 06:10:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With jeans. Those horrible acid wash jeans.
RDogPoundK ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 09:23:42 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well she didnt delete anything. She just converted all stored 1s and 0s on the hard drive to just 0s
FireHazard11 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 13:24:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half the data's still there!
Pure_Reason ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:48 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not a criminal, she's a manager
Meakis ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 10:02:19 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In defense of anybody else ... there are people literally that stupid.
Edit - Source: I'm IT support
CupBeEmpty ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:31:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, while it is funny there are certainly people out there that would think she literally dipped the hard drives in acid or something. Probably more people than you would really be comfortable with, but you are in IT so you probably know.
Meakis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:35:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, though granted ... dipping hard drives in acid would be a good way of removing data.
These people are in current day and age a sizeable minority.
shinypretty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually just about to ask if the acid bath would work. I mean, I like my PC just fine, but the damn thing is acting a fool lately - it won't let me download WoW updates and it just shuts down and I'm sure it's a heat issue compounded by internal cat-hair congestion - but I'm starting to get mad.
The_BenL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:26 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a heat issue caused by the cat hair ingestion. Clean that sucker.
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need to. It's just a bitch climbing under the desk, trying to get a good picture of what-all is plugged into where-all, then lugging it next door to the bathtub to air everything down. (I've never done it before and I'm nervous about accidentally harming a component.)
The_BenL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised how tough computer components are. I pull mine out and open it up every couple months, as long as you're careful and don't drop it you should be fine.
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I pray that you are right! Thanks for the hope!
Prcrstntr ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 09:31:46 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bleach is a base, not an acid.
tonny23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:58 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basic bitches
James_Rustler_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:48:13 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could have told that this is satire and I'd believe it. Haven't they ever heard of this thing called metaphor?
Zeppelin415 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:02:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing goes over my head! I am too fast, I would catch it.
Cern_Stormrunner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FINGER TO THE THROAT MEANS DEATH.
qwertyuiop45678 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean c'mon doesn't he know bleach is a base?
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 04:24:40 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that supposed to be serious?
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 05:07:31 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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volci ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:05:02 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're over 35, and natural citizens who've lived in the US for a requisite number of consecutive preceding years ... hey! just like me!
juoppojuoppo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:31:32 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What would disqualify someone from being President? Since via the constitution both Clinton and Trump are qualified.
pianoman1456 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:28:29 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, Clinton not turning over her emails when she left the state department legally prohibits her from holding office. So technically, she is literally disqualified. But apparently she's above the law, so no one cares.
PaperScale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:58 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
pianoman1456 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:44:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
PaperScale ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:12 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Never knew that.
pianoman1456 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:36 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Whittle has a great firewall on it.
Also, for anyone interested, Google us code 18 section 2071 and the second link is a snopes article on it. They claim that the statement I made is "mostly false". Read through it. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seemed to me to be a hot load of bullshit. They said that some dude made the claim that Hillary couldn't be president based on this and then a "bipartisan legal team looked at it and determined there was no legal basis for this claim". And then he retracted his statement claiming "oh, I guess you're right, that doesn't mean that. Plus the phrase 'prohibited from holding office' probably was more of a suggestion"...... What!?!?!? Someone explained this to me? Just sounds so much like a Comey thing all over again.
Nortslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't have an ample supply of money and power I'm pretty sure you get disqualified.
Odkin ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 07:38:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More "fact-checking". Nobody mentions that the choice of what facts are "checked", and which are ignored, is completely driven by the medias usual partisan biases.
GoBucks2012 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 10:58:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last night Hillary said there were millions of people live fact checking on on her website during the first debate and that she expects the same tonight. How the hell does that work? Millions of shills on her website fact checking, yeah, I'm sure that'll be fair and balanced.
Rizzpooch ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:38:25 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not millions of people posting on the website. It's millions of people checking the facts that get posted on the website. She's encouraging people to read what her team puts up, not to join a team of millions.
Do with that what you will. I just wanted to clear it up because it made me do a double take last night myself
bitterjealousangry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:04:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously it's pro Clinton if its stuff on her website. In the first debate Trump said they were on his website too. Which would obviously be pro Trump stuff.
But the problem with Trumps site is that no one was fact checking. He lied.
ihatereddit613 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:56:23 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite was that she wasn't at State Dept. When Obama made the line in the sand. Megyn Kelly threw that right into one of her surrogate's face.
https://youtu.be/VtgxK6TTzZU
Hillary left State in February 2013, "line in the sand" was made August 2012. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/president-obamas-red-line-what-he-actually-said-about-syria-and-chemical-weapons/
dankchunkybutt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:56 on October 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean August 2013. If it was 2012 she would still have been in State Dept
ihatereddit613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:19 on October 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first sentence was referring to "fact checks" like the post I replied to was talking about.
That was Hillary's "factual" statement that was untrue.
verbotenkek ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 12:54:18 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump: the sky is blue
Politifact: pants on fire, the sky is pink at dusk and dawn, black at night, and grey during bad weather, and the blue coloring isn't inherent to the sky itself, it's caused by the refraction of sunlight through the atmosphere
Clinton: the sky is blue
Politifact: mostly true, the sky is often blue
Pumaplayssd ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:50:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poiticfact: The sky is not blue, it actually violet blue, this is caused by the defraction of light in atmosphere. Human eyes cannot see this because they are fine tuned to see blue.
Eh em, thats actually why the sky is blue, and is mostly correct, but even when given this defenition, they would refuse to say it to Clinton.
aew360 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 04:39:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fucking metaphor.... oh my god 2016 is going to give me a heart attack
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:34:12 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Yoxinov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just another form of doublethink. They know that creating a 70% untruthful rating is much more important than demonstrating their understanding of communication.
[deleted] ยท 238 points ยท Posted at 03:34:25 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The implied lie, put forth by NBC in this "fact check," is that Clinton didn't physically destroy data, which is far worse than Trump's fumbling the name of the software.
[deleted] ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 06:18:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Let's set aside Trump and his personality for a moment. Whatever you think of the man, this election has been a chilling, blood-curdling, creepy display of what happens when somebody comes along and threatens to upset the world order.
This is nothing short of the rich, powerful, globalist elites deciding that they need to take out the guy who could upset the apple cart. Has Trump done himself any favours by giving them ammo? Absolutely not. But Hillary is bought and paid for by people who have a vested interest in perpetuating our horribly broken system.
These people (the Clintons and the snakes that surround them) will destroy and have destroyed everyone in their path with their considerable resources. Trump is a billionaire, so at least he's insulated from the worst of it, but the poor women who dared stand in front of the Clinton machine by bringing forth their allegations never stood a chance.
JeeJeeBaby ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:35:55 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't like man with shitty personality. Illuminati?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:49:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A "fact check" this petty and biased has nothing to do with his personality. This is something they would have done to Rubio or Cruz or Paul.
rudelyinterrupts ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:46:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with who or what HE is, but everything to do with who and what SHE is.
dizzyd719 ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 10:45:34 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While Clinton isnt ideal, atleast she has actual policies and defends them. The only thing I hear trump say is "policies? I have them. Their great. People love my policies, you'll see."
He wants a wall. That's about his only policy.
Murmaider_OP ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 11:05:22 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did you even see the debate? The one where he covered his tax plan, medical coverage plan, etc? I don't agree with a lot of his ideas or policies, but don't claim that they don't exist.
Edit: typo
emanymdegnahc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:59 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is his medical plan? In the debate last night, he said he would be repealing the ACA but would somehow keep all of the benefits. When he was asked if he was introducing a plan, he didn't answer.
dizzyd719 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 11:10:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His tax plan? " I'm going to cut taxes" How? Who is going to pick up the slack? You can't cut taxes and keep the spending the same that will only lead to more debt. If you are going to cut spending, where? None of these things were mentioned tonight
Also, he can choose to disagree with his running mate on Syria, but the fact he said they don't talk about it is concerning.
_pulsar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:42:31 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All candidates make vague promises. Even if they said I'll do X, Y and Z by cutting A, B and C there's no guarantee that Congress will play ball.
workaccountoftoday ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:32 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't mention this shit in a debate.
Hillary didn't spell out her tax plan either. This is a debate, it's not the end all information source for the candidates. You can find plenty of sources online that line out Trump's tax plan in full. If you stopped talking for a minute and looked for it you'd be able to read the whole thing rather easily.
dizzyd719 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'd exactly why this debate was a shit show.
These debates should be about policy contrast
What did we get? 2 5 year olds calling each other names.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 12:04:03 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump said he wants to cuts taxes to potentially* create economic growth.
He doesn't want to increase taxes on corporations to incentivise job growth in America.
If it works it will decrease the unemployment rate and hopefully* show an increase in spending.
I say potentially* and hopefully* because there are no "sure-things" in economics.
As far as his Healthcare policy, he obviously does not like Obamacare.
The problem with Obama care is it stifles a free market.
I'm from Upstate New York and with Obama care there are only three insurance companies to chose from that operate within the New York borders.
He said he would eliminate this lack of competition between insurance companies by scraping ObamaCare.
His policy ideas exist, I feel like people, refuse to listen.
And so Trump and Pence disagree or haven't spoken about a few things, big deal.
joshicshin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:07:14 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We tried this in Kansas and it's been a massive failure with record budget issues. We recently increased our sales tax to compensate and that still hasn't been enough.
How is Trump's plan different?
Also, wouldn't his Wall require massive up keeping expenses to man and maintain properly? What about our military he said he's going to increase. Won't that also increase spending at a time that he knows he'll have less revenue?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'll respond to this once I'm home from work.
responded
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:24 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton wants to raise classes on the middle class, something I am terrible against.
Drugs-R-Bad-Mkay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:12:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carried interest was literally the only policy point that he had the entire night, but he's so horribly incompetent he couldn't explain what that is or why cutting it is important. Instead he would just say carried interest and then go on a tangent about how awful Hillary is.
Machismo01 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Psst! Generally lower taxes means a stronger economy. A stronger economy means increased revenue. The only reason Obama has lost a ton of money and run a huge deficit as the right correctly claims is that the economy hasn't caught up with the curve it had from 2008ish.
Also people are down voting what is ultimately a pro-Obama sentiment. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Take a damned economics course some time.
FireHazard11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:30:47 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop spreading this fucking lie. Kansas did this exact thing and guess what? It fucking failed. Because you can't just slash taxes and expect the economy to improve. The only time that cutting taxes improves the economy is if the taxes were holding businesses back. If there's a different reason for the economy stalling then cutting taxes isn't going to fix anything.
thegreatestajax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:39:34 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bastion of industry....
FireHazard11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:15 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Brownback's tax cuts failed because taxes weren't the thing that were keeping businesses from coming here.
thegreatestajax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:35:36 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whereas the corporations keeping trillions overseas instead of investing at home....
Machismo01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:49:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right on that. That is why I said generally. Targeting tax subsidies for solar power in Alaska wouldn't do shit but waste money. Target tax breaks for the finance industry might help trigger greater investment. Tax breaks for manufacturing similarly.
It isn't a lie though. Don't be myopic about the world around you. In some cases these tax breaks can be incredibly helpful. Carefully design tax breaks and even broad ones for multiple industries needing assistance can change the entire economic battlefield bring business to US companies or encouraging spending.
The point of it is that the deficit we run now is largely due to a worsened economy and not because of differences in government spending. A stronger economy will turn around or deficit, not increased taxes.
Also Kansas? Fucking Kansas? We could point to numerous national level efforts over the last decade or even two and see when it worked. Only a couple where it failed. National level it can make a difference since so much of the economy can be touched and pushed.
workaccountoftoday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you clarify how the Kansas plan failed? Everything I'm looking at suggests it's too soon to really determine whether or not it was a huge failure, and I'm not well informed about the whole subject and don't know a good source to use.
FireHazard11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:58 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brownback slashed taxes on businesses with the promise that he wouldn't need to raise other taxes because the economic boom would make up for the lower tax rate. But that boom never came. Kansas's economy did grow during that period, but that was because the entire country was coming out of the recession during that time. In fact, the growth in Kansas was lower than the national average.
Since the economic boom has yet to show up, the legislature was forced to make severe cuts to spending to balance the budget. They gutted the education department to the point that the Kansas Supreme Court ruled that the state government wasn't fulfilling it's (state)constitutional mandate to provide public education to the entire state. As far as I know that fight is still ongoing and has generated a whole bunch of issues as well.
The legislature also slashed the budget in several departments and made up the difference by taking several hundred million dollars from the state highway fund over the last 2 years. But all of those spending cuts still weren't enough to cover the deficit of the tax cuts. But rather than admit they were wrong or a little too zealous with the tax cuts, they refused to reverse some of the tax cuts to businesses and we're willing to shut down the state government because instead. They eventually decided to face the reality that the needed more taxes, so instead of increasing the business taxes they originally cut, they increased the sales, alcohol, cigarette, and gas taxes.
The entire debacle was an exercise in stupidity and stubbornness and could have easily been avoided if the Republicans were willing to use even the smallest amount of common sense. Instead, our schools are severely underfunded, our once prized highway system is about to fall apart since road maintenence is underfunded, multiple projects for new road construction that are desperately needed are being pushed off due to lack of funding, and businesses are still paying damn near 0% in taxes while the rest of us shoulder the deficit. And on top of all that, the economy is still barely keeping up with the rest of the country.
TLDR: Fuck Brownback
Source: I work for the state government and had to live through all this bullshit.
workaccountoftoday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that sounds pretty ridiculous. To be fair though Trump's plan wasn't strictly about cutting business taxes.
I know he claims his goal is to eliminate tax loopholes, but I'm not sure I saw that in the tax plan.
Sorry you have to work for that shit though, I have no idea how we keep allowing politicians to do terrible jobs while still keeping their position.
FireHazard11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:57 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! That's the worst part of all of this: this asshole got reelected.
apawst8 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:08:29 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wat? That's something you say about Bernie or Cruz. Not Hillary. Hillary has no positions of her own at all, just saying whatever she thinks will get her elected. The policy discussions at the debate are vague pablum that she thinks has tested well in front of whatever audience she's aiming for.
PM_ME_YOURBROKENHART ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:19:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah now she wants extreme vetting
dizzyd719 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:20:02 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I know this is the wrong sub to say anything negative about trump (even if it's wrong). But sometimes you do need to look at it from both perspectives.
Hillary has flipped on certain issues, but she does admit to it. Where as trump will go on about how he was always against / for it depending on which way the crowd sways
bitbait ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 11:25:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the wrong sub for criticizing Trump at all, a lot of people here are opposed to Trump. It's just the wrong sub to promote Hillary Clinton as a good candidate for presidency. Which doesn't mean this is an echo-chamber, but it's /r/conservative after all. Just like it would be weird to promote Mike Pence or Ted Cruz in /r/progressive
dizzyd719 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:10:21 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really trying to promote anyone
apawst8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:40:23 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My post didn't mention Trump at all. I was responding to your defense of Hillary on "the issues." What exactly does she stand for? Higher taxes and gun confiscation, as far as I can tell.
If you're a conservative, but not a Trump fan, the primary reason you should vote for Trump is because Hillary is likely to nominate 3 Supreme Court justices (the already vacant, Scalia seat, RBG, and Kennedy). Maybe even 4 with Breyer.
Drugs-R-Bad-Mkay ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:17:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't think that's a good enough reason to vote Trump. The Republicans will (should) retain the House and Senate (though not a supermajority in either), so they will have a lot of say in court nominations. She can pick whoever she wants, but if she doesn't pick central-right candidates, they can just block them.
That goes both ways though. Trump wouldn't be able to get another Scalia through. The Dems will just block that nomination.
apawst8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:26:48 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did it this year, but they can't block the Supreme Court forever.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:03:59 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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apawst8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:00 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're doubting that she's for gun control, here's a Huffington Post article noting that she has praised "gun buyback" programs.
If you think (correctly), that gun confiscation will never pass a Republican Congress, remember that she will nominate anti-2nd amendment justices to the Supreme Court.
computer-blue-myself ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:59 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not watch the debate?? Lower taxes better healthcare system. I get it you guys can pick an choose what you want to hear.
dizzyd719 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:14 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But HOW do we get those things? That's what matters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:20 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love it if the federal government actually stopped overreaching for 4 to 8 years (or more).
Many of the problems plaguing the nation are the result of "policies" that were terrible or had no business being enacted by the feds in the first place. So, yeah, she has plans for what she wants to do when she finally attains the power she's been chasing for 3 decades. That freaking terrifies me.
AN_ERECT_PENIS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:21:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of policy on his website, at the debate last night, and in multiple interviews and press conferences.
OccupySesameSt ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 13:39:06 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This statement nullifies anything else you've said for me: 'Let's set aside Trump and his personality for a moment.'. You can't do that with this man, though. He is an arrogant, temperamental, unpredictable megalomaniac. He could get pissed off from a midnight tweet from Putin and threaten to nuke Russia, or he could decide that he only wanted the presidency for name recognition and let Pence do the day to day. I LITERALLY have zero idea what to expect from him and that makes him a danger, plain and simple.
At least we know roughly what to expect from a Clinton in the white House. And I'd much prefer it over nuclear war or the load of other bad outcomes that Trump could easily produce.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Then you missed my point: I don't care one iota whether or not you can bring yourself to vote for Trump. This isn't a post about him and his dealings.
This is about the Clintons and a vast media/money machine that has a vested interest in getting her into power. It's creepy and it doesn't bode well for the future or your freedoms.
Do I wish a better candidate could be there to fight her? Hell yes. But that machine would turn itself towards that candidate with equal vigor (but perhaps not equal results).
OccupySesameSt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:17 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're minimizing how much Trump has torpedoed his own campaign. Sanders is a better example of what you're talking about IMO. He's a level headed, competent individual with actual policy ideas (yes, with which many here would disagree) and yet he never stood a chance. So I guess I agree with you that the system is bought, paid for, and yes, it's scary. But Trump is an exceptional example and what's happening cannot be fully blamed on the 'machine.'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Trump's failings are mostly earned. It's still terrifying to peer behind the curtain every once in a while.
WenchSlayer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically the best case scenario
Ch4rlie_G ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:32 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rather pence do the day to day than Clinton.
CTR_CAN_BLOW_ME ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:37:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been intentional. Trump does that from time to time to get the press to act stupid.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:03:09 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting idea. Maybe it was...he seemed so much more composed (for Trump) this debate! Someone put him on some Xanax or something
GodfreyLongbeard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:47:18 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he threw the first one to set the bar low.
theredpillbrief ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:53:24 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's just been intentionally sand bagging. It's not like everyone has consistently underestimated him at every stage of this election.
FireHazard11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:14 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then he should have stopped sandbagging sometime in August. It's too late for him to make up his deficit. He's 6 points down in the polls with a month left to go (possibly 9-10 points after the 'grab her by the pussy' leak), he just lost a second debate, and the GOP has completed abandoned him to focus on keeping Senate seats.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:31:18 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he lost this debate? I'd give the first one to Hillary no questions but this one was definitely his.
FireHazard11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because he did better than the first debate doesn't mean he won. Clinton still did a lot better than him. She had more fleshed out policy positions, less mistakes, didn't whine about the moderators, didn't throw her running mate under the bus, dodged less questions, and just overall looked more presidential.
I kind of wish that the next polls took place between the "grab them by the pussy" leak and the debate so we can see which one had a bigger impact. As it is, it's going to be hard to tell if Trump's debate performance was able to counteract the audio leak, and to what extent if it did.
macc_spice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:22 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he's a genius he knows what he's doing, he's going to pivot to the general any day now...
ircanadian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:14:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Trump move ;)
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wondered if someone got to him with the Botox syringe. He didn't make nearly as many faces last night.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't fumble the name
SigmaTheDJ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:03:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The BBC are at it too: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37603685
mikesername ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:37:17 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PANTS ON FIRE
Nope. Trump's pants were uncharred for the duration of the debate.
Autopilot_Psychonaut ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 04:05:49 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump doesn't know his acid from his base?? Shame!
VTwinVaper ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 08:44:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Breaking: Donald Trump doesn't understand basic science, and here's the proof."
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:39:17 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clearly not qualified to serve
rcattt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:11:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's so basic. :P
HappyZombies ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 03:27:42 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is all they got left lmao
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:18 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't get cocky yet, more will come next week.
jonesrr ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:52:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Assange has more too, a lot more.
jest3rxD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:43:29 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[citation needed]
We'll see what he has whenever he releases it instead of just talking about it.
apawst8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:10:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, until he actually releases something that is anti-Hillary (as opposed to threatening to release), I assume he's just baiting Trump's fans.
StabbyDMcStabberson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:20:21 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He released a bunch Friday. Both sides probably have more.
apawst8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:38:23 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was promising a grand slam, he released a bunt single.
Lysah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's still another debate left. If he is biased and against Hillary (which, let's be honest, he probably is after her comments about wanting to drone strike him) and legitimately wants her to lose, rather than simply expose the truth, it would make sense that he would save his best bits for then. You definitely want to save the best for last, unless forced to use it early due to slipping support, because the last thing people hear is what they remember the most. You don't want to give the media time to defend Hillary, you don't want to give people time to forget (and people forget VERY fast these days, Hillary's email scandal already seems like last year's news), you don't want to leave an open window for them to come up with something even more scandalous against you.
All that being said, I am still skeptical he has anything really damning on her. He seems to really just be riding the election high for attention, but I do have some faith in his leaks because he should know that if his leaks amount to nothing he will lose all credibility and it will do a lot of damage to him in the long run.
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:02 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with that is elections are no longer one day. Many jurisdictions (most, I believe), allow early voting or mail in voting.
Lysah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:10 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's true, which is why I think the leaks/the Donald scandals are starting to hit now. I'm sure both sides will have a lot more to say in the coming weeks, but they're definitely starting earlier and earlier every election. I would try to argue, though, that early voters are people who are generally more passionate and more likely to be hardcore loyal to their candidate.
BrewCrewKevin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:52 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's all more of the same.
Hillary colluded with the DNC. We get it. She colluded (and continues to) with the media. We get it. How many redundant emails can you release to try to convince her base to believe it's all rigged in her favor?
And honestly- it's not going to make a difference unless Democrats start to turn on her like they are turning on Trump. I'd say 90% of voters don't follow details like that. Even Trump's recordings wouldn't touch him in the polls, if it weren't for Ryan/McConnell/Priebus/McCain/Bush/Cruz et. al. denouncing him.
TheTrollingPakistani ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:53 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do my fellow conservatives follow that rapist?
rempred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:28 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh no it's retarded
Yoxinov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:33 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are getting downvoted, but does anyone think Hillary suddenly got ahold of the tape last week and released it immediately? They could very well have a dozen controversial tapes ready to release to the Clinton News Network to broadcast for 48 hours straight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just being realistic. All of this is strategic. Does anyone really believe that someone as conniving as Clinton would really hedge her entire bet on one semi controversial video on someone who has less self control than a teething infant? This is just the beginning of a soon to be overwhelming 24 hour news cycle of Trump gaffes.
z64dan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:47:00 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet, Trump is getting NBC News to advertise the fact that Clinton used BleachBit.
Pumaplayssd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse phycology is a great power
Lawlosaurus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:52:30 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has got to be a joke. I hope it's a joke, and not NBC openly chillingly for Hillary.
ed_merckx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:22:32 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because they've never been biased in supporting her/attacking trump before.....
TheTrollingPakistani ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is biased. This subreddits front page is daily caller, Fox news, hedge crap, etc.
ultimis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:31 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is honest bias and dishonest bias. A subreddit named "conservative" would be a honest bias.
TheTrollingPakistani ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:07 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what about Fox news? They don't claim honest bias, neither does msnbc.
And The Young Turds claim honest bias so what about them?
ultimis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:49 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox is a known conservative channel. That is 100% honest bias, they attempt to present the news on their news programs (not opinion programs) as fair as possible. And in the past have been noted during the elections to be more fair than the other mediums.
On the other hand ABC, CBS, NBC, NYTimes, etc all act like they are just reporting the facts. Yet they are completely in the tank for democrats and have been for over a decade (it's not even bias, it's pure propaganda). If they were honest about their bias it wouldn't be nearly so bad, but they literally pretend as if they are just being reporters.
I have never watched them. Why do you think Bernie was so popular? It's because he was honest about what he stood for (even though it was a shitty ideology, he was honest about it). People are sick of being lied to and manipulated.
xwhy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to know that they acknowledge that she committed a federal crime, and the proper way it was carried out.
This Just In: She didn't wipe it with a cloth, either.
shinypretty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:40 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know? You can't watch her every minute.
xwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:51 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She said so, and NBC takes that as truth
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:49 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And we all know she never lies.
xwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:14 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NBC Fact Checkers declare that to be TRUE.
BigAl265 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:15:13 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ho-lee-shit!!! Bahahahah, the pandering and collusion is so disgusting it's not even questionable anymore. Next up at MSNBC : "Trump calls Mrs. Clintons pant suit blue, but it's clearly Alice Blue! Why does Mr Trump hate Alice, and by extension, all women!?!?"
I'd put a "/s" but it's not even sarcasm anymore...god help us...
aehlemn1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump hates Rosie O'Donnell. She is a woman. Therefore, trump hates women. -NBC
Final_Smash ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:53:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the level of intelligence of the mainstream media folks.
Jahodac ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:12 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So??? She deleted 33,000 emails off of her private server while under subpoena by using BleachBit? Glad that's settled.
Thanks NBC /s
f1sh98 ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 03:17:24 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact checks ("fact checks") are absolutely pathetic. It's a buzz phrase for them to counter and slash at Trump's attacks under the guise of objectivity. If anybody who reads these horrific excuses of journalism and believes them, they shouldn't vote.
Some people should not vote. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote, but being completely uneducated, and so painfully gullible is how we get people like Clinton.
RealRickSanchez ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 05:37:42 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so flabbergasted with this shit. Main stream media has lost all objectivity. There's no obligation to report news any more. It's all agenda bullshit from our overloards.
If there was ever a reason to break up monopolies, this is it.
The media needs to be broken up into smaller media companies.
All 7 major cooperation need to go. Into like 70 different smaller ones.
f1sh98 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:56:06 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a more effective, and potentially more interesting move, is a law mandating that media corporations cannot be a subsidiary of any non media company.
Of course that's still be extremely flawed...
TheAtomicOption ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:03:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any law like that, besides being a gross violation of free enterprise, would fail utterly because any company can call itself a "media company" with the smallest of effort--especially umbrella/holding companies that basically have no other business.
sethu2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:40:05 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most Libertarians would agree that for free enterprise to exist, entry barriers have to be reduced. The problem with the current structure is the extremely high entry cost in terms of setting up of the infrastructure to broadcast.
There are some ideas to counter this, making some infrastructure available from the FCC in every media market. This would improve the competition.
Along with this, media companies need to have greater restriction of ownership in each market. Which was u/f1sh98's idea I assume.
GodfreyLongbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:43 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is literally no way to do what you'd like effectively and if you were to get there, you'd have suppressed our property rights and speech rights excessively.
GodfreyLongbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:51 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easy solution. Instead of being a subsidiary just have all the shares owned largely by an s corp or trust.
AntiSpec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're advocating that the government steps in and forcibly break up a corporation. That doesn't sound very conservative and the general argument for smaller government.
Now more than ever you have the choice to completely ignore the mainstream media and rely on independent media, like various podcasts.
ultimis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conservatives believe in free market capitalism. Collusion and monopolies run counter to that belief.
AntiSpec ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not even a monopoly, there's like 7 major media corporation and no one is forced to watch nor listen to them. Smaller media companies can and do pull viewers from them when they get tired of the main media. The internet has allowed us to do that.
ultimis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Collusion was a part of my answer.
ReactorofR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:38 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never had any
Blubalz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:13:40 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CNN last night on the top right of their post-debate broadcast had their panel discussion titled "The Spin Room". I mean...seriously. THE SPIN ROOM.
vanburen1845 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what everyone calls the area with the media after the debate
CupBeEmpty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:35:19 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is that Clinton kept promoting her website for "fact checking."
Ahhhh yes. Please go to my personal website so I can tell you what to think about the issues. I will give you all the "facts" you need. I promise I will be unbiased. For real.
Pure insanity.
TrueDragon1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:06:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe your statement. I'm going to Hillary Clinton's website to see what her fact checkers say.
jogarz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:12:26 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, this is pretty funny.
dsclouse117 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 04:22:04 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I have never seen bait taken so hard. I'm not saying he did this on purpose, but if he did... holy crap
schlondark ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:54:48 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's mentioned Bleachbit by name before.
dsclouse117 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:06:40 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that makes it likely that this was on purpose, amazing if it was. Flawless victory.
xvvhiteboy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:08:08 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hes done it before. I remember seeing a ton of reporters correcting him on twitter. I assume its intentional to draw attention to it.
MikeyPh ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:31:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
::calls NBC::
-- You know what confused me, Trump was stage right, but he looked like he was on the left, right? I mean like politically speaking, he's right, but he was on the left of the stage.
-- garbled bullshit
-- What's that NBC? Oh you say that him being on the right, doesn't mean he's literally always on the right of things?
-- garbled bullshit
-- Oh, it's figurative language, I see. So when you say Hillary is on the left, you don't mean like literally, right? Because she was on the right of the stage, but technically that's stage left.
-- garbled bullshit
-- What's that, NBC? Oh, you're saying I'm wasting your time.
sockmess ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:20:39 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since bleach is a base and not an acid NBC is correct! /s
f1sh98 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:30:45 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this what Custer's last stand felt? Just desperate combat? Throw the boots at them! Go down with a fight!
MikeyPh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:15:09 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness to NBC, Trump did say she acid washed the emails, literally. But it's kind of funny how it corrects his error with the truth that Hillary washed her emails with an app.
Lucretius ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:24:28 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In other news, somebody at NBC doesn't understand metaphors.
fockface ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:27:57 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would Trump call it "acid washing"? I legitimately have never heard of the product BleachBit and was wondering if her team had dropped her hard drives in acid or something.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:29:09 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the files are "in" the computer? - Hansel.
Igardub ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:06:47 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't support him anymore. To just blatantly lie like that to us is deplorable. This fact check is what will ruin his chance to get elected.
AtomsInSnow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:01 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actual quote from Donald "....then you acid wash them- or bleach them"
He attempted to correct himself mid-sentence, if you couldn't figure out he was referring to bleachbit software, and not literal bleach then I don't know what to say.
Not to mention destroying evidence is destroying evidence, whether you used actual bleach or bleachbit is almost irrelevant. "Haha, yea she did destroy evidence but technically not in the way you described, rekt"
Samuelgin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:20 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"fact-checks" often will make the reach for candidates on the left and give no benefit of the doubt based on context or slang to the right. it's like how Politifact rated Bernie Sanders "True" for saying black youth unemployment was above 50% (or even higher considering unemployment doesn't include high school drop outs) and rated Donald Trump "False" for saying black youth unemployment was above 50% (saying that it was just plain racist)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:08:28 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit hahahahahahahaa
Bricka_Bracka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:35 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody knows it was a cloth.
puskas14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:55:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this real? I saw it and assumed it was photoshop. I'm not on twitter so I can't check.
Suzookus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:09:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
550% real
https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/785299709342654465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
puskas14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good God.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL This is how Trump's lie list gets inflated and Hillary's gets overlooked.
Lord7777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:51 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell
Pumaplayssd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:48 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are they talking to, people who are smart enough to know the difference between an acid and a base, yet stupid enough to not know what a hyperbole is?
limerences ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:22 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone make a compilation of all these blatant media bias? It would be nice to document all of these things.
Snowmittromney ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At best, it's kind of a funny joke, but not really one a news organization should be making. At worst, God help this country.
I_Sugest_Comic_Sans ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:26:25 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol okay that was pretty funny
tachyonflux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:15 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bleachbit website is pure internet gold
https://www.bleachbit.org/cloth-or-something
My favorite article on their site:
https://www.bleachbit.org/news/how-delete-secret-emails-microsoft-exchange
chalbersma ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:20:50 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why real time fact checking is a bad thing.
HolyMollyGodBless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:53 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that they're advertising the app. Cocks.
equineUmbra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:06 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But does BleachBit produce H+ ions in water?
knowses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:48 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
E-mail server. Oh no no no, she refers to it as a separate e-mail account.
shinypretty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You noticed that too, eh? Fine distinction, and one that completely misses the damn point. Who CARES about your private account. It's the SERVER, lady.
zaturama016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:52 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she used a hammer, super effective
sabanerox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:34 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This can't be serious, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:20 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did someone archive this so they can't get rid of it?
rainbowsforall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:01 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess they thought that would be better than having no response at all. In the eyes of many Clinton supporters, probably so.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:45 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, they walked right into that one
jlbishop007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:19 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although I've lost it, there exists a sort of bias with respect to the media to accept that "they know best", similar to the bias I've noticed when people talk to their doctors. When something like this shatters the illusion (and it IS an illusion), my hope is that it's enough to get people to wonder what else have they been reporting that they've got wrong.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...unbelievable. And this is what they want to fact check on?
LtPatterson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:04 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Clinton wiped her server down with bleach at applebees. ALERT THE PRESS!
secret_porn_acct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:46 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh it was at TGI Friday's.
-Hegemon- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:41 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next week:
FACT CHECK:
Trump said Clinton murdered those who crossed her.
Fact: she didn't murder anyone herself, she just ordered their assassination.
miles197 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:01 on October 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're trying to defend her but using an app called "BleachBit" doesn't exactly make her sound innocent... Lmao
Gunner_McCormick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:04 on October 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just pathetic.
sillyhobbits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:12 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No bias here, folks
I_am_Cash_Money_AMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:51 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, bleach has a pH of ~12 so it's really "alkaline washed."
/s (sort of)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:34 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol and the apps name is BLEACH bit
SystemOutInitiateLie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:16 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another case of Trump making his enemies tell the truth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:37 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're going to carelessly use free software for such a mission, you may as well say you acid washed it lol...
redderdrewcalf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:58 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you all shush about NBC! they're doing god's work.
Dial-1-For-Spanglish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:44 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that an acid would do anything to the disks themselves.
Gaggamaggot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:14 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary's "fact checker" is nothing more or less than left-wing media opinion. Any facts that get out are accidental.
Sly_Meme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:57 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this had to be a parody account but alas no. This is pathetic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:34 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DELETE THIS
Getusom32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:52 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is a Crook-period. The News media is so far in the tank for her we cannot expect any truth from these people. It is beyond wrong that we cannot get good or truthful news from most of the media today. Sadly many people take NBC News as the gospel so they will vote the way they swayed. Who fact checks them?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:11 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly a lot of Americans do not understand how a Storage device works, and how hard it is to remove data from it. Hes just using a phrase to express it.
ifeelhome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:58 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's so dumb. I'm so dumb. I get it. But when he started down that sentence my brains first reaction was "omg she acid-washed her jeans??" And I was offended for a half a second. And no I have no idea why that would offend me.
ImJustaBagofHammers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:28 on November 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is baffling.
Zacher8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:56 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.npr.org/2015/04/23/401781313/clinton-foundation-linked-to-russian-effort-to-buy-uranium-company Hillary deserves to have her day in court so she can face these accusers and respond to these serious allegations.
njskypilot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:05:45 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone with a brain except NBC knows he meant to say Bleachbit. He was thinking on his feet and said acid wash instead of Blech Bit.
Pumaplayssd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:27 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Hyperbole
Coolgrnmen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:45 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People who don't get that "acid washing" a hard drive is a thing.
If someone used a publicly available program to clear something vs actually dismantling the server and dipping the HDDs in acid, the culpability level is definitely different.
Armagetiton ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on October 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this comment: someone that doesn't understand that one guy giving a hard drive an acid bath on youtube does not make it a "thing", which would suggest that this is a normal practice.
If you want to destroy hard drive data quickly and without using software, the most effective and normal method is using a strong magnet which will instantly destroy the data.
Coolgrnmen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:49:31 on October 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want me to link you to every video on the internet that demonstrates acid washing? Or are you going to concede your ridiculous point that I only showed you one guy on the internet?