Usually for alcohol withdrawal you get benzos so...
Strick63 ยท 1290 points ยท Posted at 18:30:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun story regarding this. So my freshman year of college I got pretty depressed and was feeling a little suicidal so I talked to the campus councilors service which in turn lead me to being involuntary committed to a facility. I joined a fraternity my freshman year meaning I drank and being under 21 pretty much meant that getting drunk once a week meant you were an alcoholic. That caused me to basically be strung out on benzos for a week while filling out coloring books and pretending I could participate in group stuff. It was interesting to say the least.
This is the worst thing about mental illness. Just because you felt a certain way and had those thoughts does not mean you have to be comitted to a mental facility. Everyone thinks things they dont mean. Sucks that happened to you.
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 20:40:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I try to make that SUPER clear whenever I get a new therapist:
Yes, I've had suicidal thoughts. More along the lines of "I wouldn't mind being here right now, I could live without this shit." No, I am not going to kill myself, sometimes I just don't think it's worth the work just to keep myself alive. We're cool, don't lock me up.
At least in my state, we call that โpassive death wish.โ We may go over a safety plan with you, but as long as you say you donโt have any intent or plan (and you are an adult.. itโs a little stricter with kids), I would never try to hospitalize you. Itโs good if clients can be honest with their therapists without being afraid of being committed!
The line is just a little blurrier as to when we need to break confidentiality and tell their parents. Basically if we are concerned they are in any danger.
i perceive an active death wish as something planned and ready, something you're looking to do, which is being suicidal. maybe i can't differentiate the two because i have tried to harm myself and have consistently done so for years.
I understand what you are saying. Here's the thing though: losing a patient to suicide is every therapists worst nightmare. Some of us get that fear installed so thoroughly in school/clinical practice that we tend to err on the side of caution. You can apologize to a person you've wrongly involuntarily committed. You can't apologize to a grave.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is one of the worst things that can happen to a person. Losing their autonomy like that. It should not be used lightly, and luckily I have yet to see it abused.
Grenyn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:55:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a passive death wish. Just the thought that you wouldn't mind dying in the near future.
I'd say my passive death wish has at times been an active one. It's not a happy thing.
Quick edit: immediately after posting this comment I saw someone had beaten me by about 8 hours. Shame on me.
partyc4t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going to have to be vague about this story but I have a family friend who's dealing with something similar. He's on sick leave at work (for mental health problems), and during one of his checkups with the doctor he mentioned about suicidal thoughts, and now he has to spend 50+ days at a mental institution, and if he doesn't, they are taking away his sick leave pay
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:06 on March 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I woud describe it as "a fundementally unintrerested in this life"... and not so much suicidal.
when you are immagining your funeral, looking up the most practical ways, and every time you come across one of the following items: knife, bridge, train, stair, chainsaw... you think "should I?"
FFS of course I have a plan, I try to plan for everything, is having a couple hundred dollars set aside to put a cash deposit down on a big nitrogen tank such a big deal?
1llusory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:31 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You may know this and it may not make it any less annoying but people in mental health professions have to ask this question.
Literally why I won't talk to anyone about the shit going through my mind. I sat in my car and cried for 20 minutes the other day but it beats being baker acted or treated like I'm crazy because I have some emotional issues.
And this is whats wrong with our current take on mental health as a nation. If people could be more confident to just talk, we would have much fewer problems stemming from "crazies".
Not saying you are crazy, or even a little wrong. We all have times we need to talk about, and none of us realize how crazy the next guy really is, so we arent that bad. I hope one day you can find a trusted outlet. In the meantime, don't go crazy, we love ya!
You should give therapy a try. You will see that it is not what you think it is. And if you do require inpatient treatment, thatโs okay too. If your chest hurt so bad that you cried over it in your car for 20 minutes, you might not want to go the doctor, because you might not want the doctor to send you to the ER...but if the doctor had to send you to the ER because your heart was about to burst, youโd be glad afterwards that you got it checked out and treated. Your emotional pain is like a pain in your body. It might be nothing or it might be something, but you wonโt know til you get it checked out. The worst case scenario isnโt that you get hospitalized; itโs that you werenโt hospitalized when you really needed it. And the most likely scenario is that you can be treated without hospitalization. But you risk something worse if you donโt get checked out at all.
Been to a dozen therapists but it was probably 15+ years ago. It didn't really help once I left the office. I pretty much learned to manage it in my own but when times are especially stressful it's very difficult to deal with without an outlet. I pretty much know though, if I wait long enough, it will subside and I'll exhaust myself. It's almost euphoric when I have the come down because you wear yourself out so much that if you can get through it all you feel is the exact opposite for a second which is almost a feeling of euphoria. It's weird.
I used to feel that way til I found a therapist I really liked who connected with me. My age and gender, and I would recommend looking for a licensed mental health counselor, rather than a traditional psychologist or psychiatrist. I learned that I can not only shorten the durations of crisis but also prevent them from occurring as often with someone who can offer good insight.
I also finally received a diagnosis Id never had before that really changed things around for me.
I agree with this to the max! I always said i didnt need it, i truly didnt realize how messed up i was until i started actually listening to the doctors and being hospitalized. Life can get really low, and i learned a lot of techniques that keep me from going to that VERY low point.
Please try. The Baker act is an emergency option. Many, many things come first. I have never met a therapist who looked down at a patient for their mental health. Quite the opposite. It's often incredibly impressive to watch someone take control of their life when everything is against them. Those patients are super strong.
Darkeso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Strick63 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 19:41:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nothing bad happened to me but another person Iโd be worried for- roommate at the place was sent there in the middle of his 20 year sentence, lots of people left in cop cars to go to jail, lots of clearly ill people which is sad but their behavior could be quite threatening/ frightening. I turned out fine but if I wasnโt a 6โ2 male with really not many issues besides being kinda depressed it couldโve been a different story
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 20:15:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Strick63 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:19:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm a tall well built guy and situations where youโre physically at risk Iโm not really that worried because most people donโt go after the person bigger than them so I never felt too at risk. Take away my size or make me a woman (due to the fact that for certain people that would make me more of a target) that wouldnโt be the case
If he was of a smaller or weaker stature, he could likely be more hurt if confronted or attacked, or if he were a woman, it could, unfortunately possibly make him more likely to be attacked when surrounded by mentally ill people while also doped up on benzos. It really sucks but he has a point.
SMW22792 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:33:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The second my previous therapist got police involved because I had a dream about killing my Father was the second I began filtering everything that came out of my mouth.
It took me almost a decade before I gave the slightest bit of trust to one again. Luckily, I found one that works for me very well. However, I still am careful about how I say things.
I'm in a much better position emotionally than I ever was in the past.
Grenyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:02:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did they not communicate that they have a duty to report you if you have such thoughts?
They keep everything to themselves unless the patient expresses a desire to harm others.
It sucks that you felt betrayed, but your therapist had to inform the police it sounds like from your comment.
Being involuntarily sent to a psych ward is honestly one of my biggest fears regarding my depression and suicidal tendencies. I feel like I'm always looking out for what feels like jail just because I feel like garbage.
When I was feeling very suicidal but not wanting to act on it, I had to be super careful what I said to my psychs so that I wouldn't to get sent to the bin. I knew I was sick and needed my meds adjusted, but I knew that going to the bin would make me worse. Being around people who are sicker than me does horrible things to my health. I don't need to see people's self harm scars or hear them talk about it. I need to forget it exists so I don't see it as an option.
I knew that staying home and having my meds adjusted would be much better than sitting around a facility full of sick people, being bored out of my skull, and super miserable.j
Okay, but if this story was "My friend talked to them saying he was suicidal, they gave him advice and scheduled an appointment for 3 days later, but he killed himself before then" the entirety of Reddit would flip shit about how mental illness isn't taken seriously. Can't have it both ways.
This person likely indicated to the counselor that he had an active plan to harm himself. Counselors are trained to assess whether someone is in enough danger to require a hospitalization or not. Ideation alone is not enough for hospitalization.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That mentality is the reason we have so many school shooters.
W0oby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look at it from the other side. If he expressed those thoughts to the councilor and they decide to do nothing about it. Then op kills himself, you'll bet your ads op' s family will be suing the school for failing to help him. Maybe the councilor felt that op' s situation was serious enough to need an evaluation. Maybe he just needed someone to talk to but are you willing to risk his life when he is telling you he wants to take it? Would you want that hanging over your head the rest of your life?
dude, its really not a joke. People fail to realize how easily you can lose all your rights. Those doctors could technically have kept you there indefinably if they choose to.
If anyone ends up in this situation, contact information on the phone and contact a local legal aid organization, they can get you out in a few hours if they threaten to require the doctor to appear at a public hearing over the imprisonment.
You are so right. Iโm not OP but itโs scary how easy doctors / facilities have gotten me to give up my own rights. Like to participate in ECT. I wish now that I hadnโt basically been manipulated into it but at the time I just didnโt have the energy to fight for myself.
Speaking of hearings, one room at a hospital in my area has a whole courtroom set up via webcam to do involuntary commitment hearings like that. Itโs kinda unsettling to me that it is happening so frequently they need a whole room and legal staff dedicated to it. I know some people are a lot sicker than others, but some of the other stuff they do is dumb. I could go on and on about my experiences with all of this but Iโll spare us all. Just that I agree you are right, it is nothing to be flippant about.
If you truly feel like hurting others or killing yourself, then that was probably a good thing. Who knows if youโre actually going to do it?
RomeRawr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:32:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People donโt give therapists enough credit. Theyโve gone through at least six years of higher education, and years more of supervised practice in order to get licensed, and they know what theyโre doing. No, we donโt do psych holds because of suicidal thoughts. Iโm pressed to believe that itโs so common for people to be put into psych holds for only expressing ideation, which is a normal thing. You bet your ass weโre legally obligated to report if youโre an imminent danger to yourself or others, though. If someone expresses intent to kill themself, Iโm obligated to report. If someone expresses intent to kill another person, Iโm obligated to report. This isnโt something therapists WANT to do; they work for the client. Itโs something we HAVE to do.
I said this above, but yes, most of us would not try to hospitalize someone with passive death wish without plan or intent. However, I can understand how people who have had a bad experience would be hesitant to speak up.
I was trying to report to the cops about an old incident and ended up being involuntary committed. There was some crime involved and I had evidence that would release the man who was falsely accused but all they heard was I was suicidal.
I didnโt want to take the antidepressants but after refusing they made me sign a paper saying if I refused to take any medication they had the right to keep me at the facility. I ended up just dealing with the terrible side effects from SSRIโs.
Ever since then I stopped going to therapy and havenโt followed up with the assigned psychiatrist. I loved my therapist and literally went just to talk about my day sometimes but now Iโm afraid to even go back.
With that being said the staff at that hospital all agreed I didnโt need to be there and released me. This was the cops fault, I read the police report and he lied on it. What for I donโt know.
This is just my experience but yea, now Iโm afraid to admit when Iโm feeling depressed.
Iโm sorry this happened to you :(. I hope some day you feel comfortable enough to return to therapy, since it can be really helpful!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:43:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the part that's bullshit. If somebody wants to kill themselves, as a society we should let them, not lock them up. It just seems like the idea is "we don't care if you're miserable forever, you HAVE to keep living"
RomeRawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not saying I 100% ideologically agree with the policy, Iโm saying itโs the law. Personally, I do think people should [generally] have agency over whether they live or donโt. However, I also recognize that mental illness can interfere with that agency.
Not always though. Sometimes you canโt really know if youโll actually do it. Maybe you think wonโt now, but what if tomorrow you convince yourself that itโs the best way to go? People donโt go from 0 to suicide so quickly. Itโs a process.
Sometimes you canโt really know if youโll actually do it.
oh well, better then risking losing my autonomy.
Fiblin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:55:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I drank and being under 21 pretty much meant that getting drunk once a week meant you were an alcoholic
In what regard? Socially or in just that facility. Since I'm from Denmark drinking laws are a bit different. When I was 16 I got drunk more than once a week all summer, so this sounds a bit weird to me since I have never thought of myself as anything close to an alcoholic.
Strick63 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:56:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The US is really stupid when it comes to alcohol especially if you canโt legally drink it. I completely agree but that was the behavior that deemed it necessary I get Benzos
Bozzz1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I drank at least twice a week for my whole freshman year of college and then went the whole summer sober. I never felt the need to drink or had any kind of withdrawal. Drinking once a week doesn't make you an alcoholic lol.
Siegwyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Experienced almost the same thing a few years ago. All in all, a week away from everything was pretty cathartic.
Shit. Do they get commission for involuntarily committing people?
Strick63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs more if I had said anything like that to them then actually offed myself the University would be super liable
IT6uru ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully you didn't have any lasting reprocussions from the benzos. Benzos are a bitch.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:42:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After a week? Super doubtful. The only long lasting repercussion would probably be wanting more benzos.
milan187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friend who was on benzos 10 days took 5 years to feel normal again. I was on them 2 months and still not 100% after 6 years. Getting better slowly.
They can be really really bad to come off, maybe even the worst drug to come off of.
Many people suffer protracted withdrawal with them that seems to never end.
pknk6116 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:50:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A week of benzos is really not a big deal. Less addictive than alcohol, effects are mild (unless it's your first time on em) and main dangers are long term increased risk of dementia and stuff like that. They're not heroin.
Sorry you hit on pet peeve of mine. I've been on benzos for years and they've been a life saver.
IT6uru ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:52:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, but withdrawal is terrible from them. Half the time I don't know if it's that or anxiety symptoms. Been on them for a couple years myself.
pknk6116 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yeah withdrawal does fucking suck. It's all about that taper tho....
IT6uru ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, at least clonazapam are slow acting you don't get high, you just get physically dependent. Didn't realize till I went off of them for a bit -delayed withdrawal. Felt like my brain was 10 feet behind me, needed to get back on them. Doctor unfortunately doesn't want to figure out what is actually going on. :/
pknk6116 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh word that delay sucks like... ok I know this is coming soon. Then before you even know it you're in the withdrawal. Tapering and talking to my doc about what I can take to ease symptoms helped a lot. Neurontin and Lyrica are my jam now when I need to take a tolerance break. Even then it's still tough. I always wondered if getting on another benzo like valium and then tapering would help.
I should clarify I'm not a doctor but there's definitely stuff you can do. If not push your doc on it, "deal with it" isn't an appropriate response.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried weed and it just made me feel like I was in a tunnel. I will give it another go. Iโm retiring at the end of the school year so I wonโt have to be anywhere or do anything while I am quitting. Weed may get a second hit.
Everyoneโs body chemistry is different with them though. Some people can use them carefully for years without building much of a tolerance or developing terrible side effects from them. Those who do, though... boy is it bad.
campus councilors service which in turn lead me to being involuntary committed
Reasons I absolutely refuse to get ongoing help for my mental illnesses. I have the ability to live a normal life, even with a condition as stigmatized as mine, and if I have the choice of risking my freedom taken away because a psych major with enough family money to go into private practice thinks they'll be saving the world by locking me up...?
I'll just deal with the damn hallucinations.
Strick63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah get help 10/10 living an actual normal life is much better
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking insane. The amount of incompetence ther is criminal.
But they usually only go so far as to give these meds to people who they determine are seriously in danger or at risk of having a serious withdrawal.
I've had alcohol and opioid like withdrawals in jail. The opiate w/d you're rightfully so, told you suck it up and lay ion the mess you're likely making... luckily I was mostly just having cold sweats and insomnia, no sitting himself.
First time being jailed though I was having some kind of episode that the police assumed was a PCP high. I think it was more likely alcohol withdrawals. They monitored me and kept me under closer watch while I dried out, but even with delirium they never gave me a benzo. Only would offer antipsychotic drugs. My impression was it had to be a serious situation to get prescribed psychoactive stuff. I remember it was like pulling teeth to get a benadryl or free Tylenol tbh.
Depends on the jail. Two of the four jails Iโve been to gave me benzos, and I had no prior prescription. Both of them issued the prescription to me while I was incarcerafed, both times for heroin/benzos withdrawal. Some jails like all their inmates calm and compliant. In fact, even now, if I got arrested and sent to the one jail and had my methadone box with me, theyโd dose me with it until it was gone, and another friend of mine was allowed their suboxone. Depends on the jail, who they contract their nursing services out to, what is available on their formulary, what their budget is, who their medical director is, the security level of the jail, etc.
Edit: the same jail that allows suboxone and methadone also coordinates with a local methadone clinic for pregnant women - if they were dosing there before getting arrested the nursing staff will drive the methadone to the jail each day for the pregnant woman. There are a lot of services for some jails. Itโs just a total toss up. All of these jails are within a less than fifty mile radius also, so they werenโt radically different areas either. Literally just county to county across one state line.
Noble_Ox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:05:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they not give you methadone in prison in America?
Not sure. I think if youre already on it and end up going they would probably allow you to keep it up or at least a taper process.
You don't get suffer free withdrawals if you get picked up on the streets or whatever with drugs and brought in though. Definitely not getting maintenance meds on the jails dime if you're not going to die from stopping, which in the case of opiates, is the case.
Wait, really? There are only two drugs whose withdrawal symptoms alone can kill you: alcohol and benzos. Thatโs why I thought they had to give alcoholics in withdrawal small, daily amounts of alcohol.
But either way, thatโs so strange:
โYouโre suffering from alcohol withdrawal? Letโs give you the only other one that can kill you!โ
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:47:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, but mixing benzos and alcohol is a terrible idea
It makes you blackout almost instantly
edit: source - Have done both at the same time, I've seen nothing, because I was blacked out
It's actually for withdrawal, the alcohol is already out of the system. They hit the same receptor. When you withdraw from alcohol you can be at high risk for seizures, particularly if you are a chronic drinker. We can taper you off with benzos safely so you don't seize.
edit: source - am a medical student, I've seen many an alcoholic coming down
when I was 19 i experienced opioid withdraw for the first time. About a month of daily IV heroin use, then decided to stop. Felt like shit and couldn't eat, until my boy rob, rolled a fat blunt and I ate a gas station egg salad sandwich. I felt fine after that an vowed to never do something enough to be addicted.
Sorry about the benzos my man, sounds way worse than what I went through. Sounds about as bad as some of the 25nbome people and their persistent visuals
Ehalon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Benzo withdrawal is hell
So glad to see I'm not the only one.
I've done opiate withdrawal a few times and in comparison it was the flu to benzo withdrawal's protracted disemboweling (just my opinion, I take nothing away from opiate addicts. Neither is 'worse' objectively, subjectively I would take heroin withdrawal every time because the physical symptoms end so much quicker. We are talking weeks verses years.).
Benzo withdrawal was a protracted nightmare - I tapered from 160mg of diazepam to currently 4mg daily. I know I'll get called on those numbers, I was drinking at the time as well - see below.
As /u/manning_upp has rightly stated - long half life so when I started my taper I switched from a lot of Lorazepam to frightening amounts of Diazepam. The equivalence is about 1:10 conservatively, my memory tells me 1:30 (1mg Lorazepam = 10mg / 30mg diazepam).
The half life on Lorazepam from memory is only 6 hours so, diazepam is 24 hours so inter-dose withdrawal is very real for the short acting benzos like lorazepam.
I can't leave this comment without my usual nod to the absurdly wonderful Prof. Heather Ashton and her work + free manual (in the link).
For anyone taking benzos long term who want to truly 'live' again, please give it a read and then find a Doctor who has an ounce of sense. Get on a taper schedule.
Yes, you will feel it especially at the low numbers and it will be exactly like the anxiety and / or insomnia you originally were prescribed your benzo for, but worse and worse again because you are your own jailor. It's hell for 4-6 weeks as you taper a step, and just as you start to feel better it's 'taper time' again.
Don't be afraid to take 'taper holidays' - you are NOT failing, but doing this will suck your mental energy dry. Be absolutely sure your Doctor knows all about benzos, and Ashton's work, and is 100% onboard with you managing it and making a call to 'taper holiday' for the right reasons: Overall outcome success not Giving Up Giving Up.
I also cannot recommend Cognitive and Behavioral Therapy enough, I'm already evangelical regarding it. It's not lying down on a couch and doing 'The Freudian Thing' - re-traumatising yourself weekly, it is building a toolkit to identify and combat your negative learned behaviors. It sets you up to 'win', but remember the CBT person is a guide, YOU do 99% of the work.
Meditation, especially geared towards Mindfullness is a great adjunct and all round good habit for life - remember this is a journey and life change, not some faddy cabbage soup diet, shitty short term plaster thing.
Benzo withdrawal is like hell, except there is a way out of benzo addiction.
Peace, love and good luck to all - you really CAN do it. X
Take it from me
Don't get addicted to GABAergics
Was really stupid and mad at myself so I tried to go cold turkey and my mom found me convulsing in my apartment
dloburns ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:25:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like I've got a fruitful and exciting life ahead of me
docod44 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sometimes cover a drug and alcohol abuse unit. For our benzo abusers we give a benzo with a long half-life and initiate a controlled taper until they don't experience any more withdrawal.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jendroo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody Talks about mixing here.
Zanpie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. With enough tolerance and time this no longer happens.
That being said, LPT: don't do both for a long enough time to build up tolerance.
But they usually only go so far as to give these meds to people who they determine are seriously in danger or at risk of having a serious withdrawal.
I've had alcohol and opioid like withdrawals in jail. The opiate w/d you're rightfully so, told you suck it up and lay ion the mess you're likely making... luckily I was mostly just having cold sweats and insomnia, no sitting himself.
First time being jailed though I was having some kind of episode that the police assumed was a PCP high. I think it was more likely alcohol withdrawals. They monitored me and kept me under closer watch while I dried out, but even with delirium they never gave me a benzo. Only would offer antipsychotic drugs. My impression was it had to be a serious situation to get prescribed psychoactive stuff. I remember it was like pulling teeth to get a benadryl or free Tylenol tbh.
camsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they had phenobarbital for those in alcohol withdrawals when I was in.
I know I'm late to this but in my personal experience they don't give benzos for alcohol withdrawal because of the risk of addiction to benzos. If you are already addicted to alcohol, that is an incredibly dangerous combination if you relapse on alcohol. My withdrawal drugs were antihistamine based anti anxiety meds and meds like naltrexone, in addition to my regular SSRI which helps curb anxiety as well.
I have had benzos in the past for my anxiety, never developed an addiction to them, but once my alcoholism started appearing in my history, the benzos stopped.
(They gave me a dosage of valium once to calm me down during a hospital stay but that's about as strong as it has gotten in the last 3 years.)
YMMV heavily all that ever happened to me were shitty side effects use to have a script to fuck around with.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was prescribed gabapentin for fibromyalgia and it caused me to fall asleep all the time. I fell asleep at work while welding, driving on the highway, holding my infant son (while I was standing), etc. These things were after like 2 cups of coffee too. I called my doctor and discontinued it in less than a week of starting it.
This is really interesting, I didn't know that. I'll have to look it up, thanks for the info and the author. I wonder why it isn't used more inpatient as well given the addictive potential of benzos.
Ahh gotcha. On inpt psych I suppose patients were on scheduled gaba but they were also receiving prn benzos with CIWA. I wonder if it's ever used alone prn in conjunction with CIWA.
Copied and pasted from where I accidentally replied further down:
Iโm guessing the other inmate was having opioid withdrawal. We were in separate holding cells but I could sure hear her. It was hydroxyzine, an antihistamine that was used as a sedative a long time ago, and something else harmless which I now canโt remember. I first thought they were giving me my antidepressant or a substitute. Then when I heard the yelling from next door and got quite sleepy, I started to put two and two together. The CO figured out her mistake and checked on me. A lot. I probably could have gotten her in a lot of trouble, but I didnโt really see the point. I was in complete shock from being there in the first place, so I looked at it as a gift to get through that first day.
Side note: I did used to take a benzodiazepine for anxiety. I was allowed to have it in county jail, given by a nurse or CO on regular schedule with the rest of my meds. They did make a huge production out of it and refer to it constantly as a narcotic.
Funkit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they gave Librium, seroquel, and gabapentin in prison? I didn't realize they gave out the good stuff. Thought the benzo and alcoholics got the above and the opiate addicts got seroquel or nothing at all and just suffered.
You got methadone in jail? I've never ever heard of that. What I have heard of is alot of people going thru horrible withdrawals in jail. Never once heard of anyone getting methadone or suboxone for that matter.
You're completely right. I looked it up and I'm shocked. Those are lucky inmates honestly. Imo too many people suffer for no good reason and that helps nobody.
bsbbtnh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:51:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in prison (in Canada), they gave out methadone like candy. Every day at noon, just before they'd let us out of our cells for lunch, they'd let the methadone guys out (to get methadone, duh). We called it the methadone 500, because you'd see nearly every one of them running full tilt to get their methadone. It is interesting to see 350+ lb dudes running faster than most healthy people could.
Then they would be strung out all day. When they'd see the doctor, they'd tell them that it wasn't helping and they'd up their dose. I saw so many guys who were sober for months/years break and convince a doctor that they needed it, and they would completely change. That shit is horrible.
Also, people would come back after their methadone, puke in a cup, mix it with juice crystals, and sell it for some good money.
In Vermont inmates that are already maintained on Methadone or Suboxone in a MAT clinic are kept on these meds while they're incarcerated. The prisons switch the Suboxone dosers to Buprenorphine, and the Methadone dosers are escorted by DOC to their clinic, in shackles to receive a dose, and get either 1-2 weeks worth of meds that the COs place in a lock box and bring back to the prison to dose the inmates daily. If they're not maintained on these meds when they're taken into custody they get advil and immodium and dry out in prison.
Kicking in jail? Twice. IMO itโs the easiest place to kick cuz you know thereโs just nothing you can do unless you can pay the price for some. But if you mean โwhatโs it like to kick cold?โ At the size habit I have, Iโm not afraid of the torture Iโm gonna face in Hell. Itโll be nothin.
crseat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:29 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After you were done withdrawing did you ever consider quitting or did you know you'd start again when u got out?
Of course I did but itโs not a choice itโs disease of the mind. Thatโs how insanely hard it is to stop. You think to yourself that you donโt wanna go through that again and then you end up with a needle back in your arm
crseat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:08 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first night in county jail was surreal, to say the least. My summer of drugs and drinking had culminated into stupid crimes and there I was, my mom wasn't going to pay bail, I had to learn my lesson. That lesson turned out to be 8 years in a maximum security prison.
County jail I slept with my shoes on the first night, thinking I was going home any day. I viewed myself as a kid even though I was 21, that somehow it wasn't really happening. Everything was routine, breakfast, tv, exercise, tv, cards, tv, cards, tv, cards. Six months later they wanted to make an example out of me, 8 years in state prison; in N.Y. you do 80% of your time so it ended up being 6 years 10 months.
That first night in state prison, completely different ball game. First, leaving county jail you're in shackles, legs shackled to the guy next to you so if you try to run you better hope both of you are really good at convict three legged racing. The bus brought us under the prison, hundreds on inmates into what I would call a factory of processing humans for incarceration. Searched, stripped, cavity searched, shaved, showered, de-liced, waiting, clothed, waiting, all while hearing the noise of a couple thousand inmates above you not knowing what kind of mad house you're stepping into. Not much choice at that point.
The most important thing I realized is, just accept it. You're there, time will move faster if you get a solid routine and just follow direction. They can't stop your time but thru can slow it up.
I've been out longer then I've been in now and have my life back on track. I was definitely going to be dead from something stupid so I was rescued rather then arrested.
Don't go to jail kids, being separated from everything was the worst.
My relationship with my entire family improved. I matured in prison, dropped the so called friends, habits, and lifestyle that led to me being arrested. My family actually liked being around me again.
I wouldn't be anywhere without my family. I understood why so many go back to jail. Every job I applied for would see the felony and say, Oh yeah, we'll get back to you. It's like, dude, I served my time, I just want a chance. Through family and friends I got back on my feet and am married now to the most amazing woman. I never went back to that town except to see my parents and that also was the best thing for me. All those guys I hung around are either dead, addicted to heroine, or still getting arrested.
Calculoo ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:25:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you feel about the prison system as a whole? Just curious since it seems like it was more effective for you than most.
It sucked. Most Co's were douche bags, the programs for rehabilitation were worthless, just a bunch of guys swapping drug and drinking stories. A few months into my sentence I got a job in education as a tutor and that's where I stayed for the rest of my time. I truly believed that was a major help bc I never understood the joy of teaching until I was helping grown men to read and write, or do basic math. I found an outlet, besides lifting weights. My point is, prison is what you make it. If you want to stand around and talk about your crimes and what you can do better next time, it's almost guaranteed you're coming back. If you want to improve yourself, you can. There is nothing but time.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:36:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aksoxo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:17:32 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are real warrior sir. I like it.
wagenejm ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:44:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept waiting for you to say that you fixed up the old library and turned it into an education center after nagging the state legislators for years.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:06:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a felon, but being as I'm applying for jobs right now, with every application I submit, I think of the good people like you who can't get a job because of a mistake they made a long time ago. I have a BA in math and no criminal record and I'm having very little success in the job market, I can only imagine for someone who has to check YES to that damn box, it's nearly impossible.
What are you doing for work now?
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:54 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at the second to last sentence of your first post and the entirety of this post, I'd say you were successfully rehabilitated by the prison system. You must be one in a million.
There were certain Co's and administration that I will remember to the day I die. They treated me with respect as a human The rehabilitation system...not so much
It was only a few hours ago, in a reply to one of my comments that I learned what a CO is. Anyways, I'm sad that staff that treated you as a human being were so rare that each one is is an eternal memory for you.
tanarchy7 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 21:35:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you! I was scared with 60 days, i couldnt imagine 8 years! Fuck, thats heavy. Congrats to a better you!
Thank you. As long as you stay away from gambling, drugs, and gangs, you're fine. I learned to mind my own business very quickly.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:50:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does that work if you want to keep your head down and not get involved in anything, do other inmates try to coerce you into "joining" them so they can score another person who will offer them money or smokes? And if someone says "join my gang" and you say "nah dude, I'm gonna do quiet time" what happens?
I always like to call that coercion "friendly extortion". People would try and take you for everything under the guise of, come on man, my family didn't come this week, I just need this or that. Being white, other whites assumed you'll hook them up when they come through just because they're white. Nope, I see how you move as a person then I decide whether you're cool or not. No one is going around asking you to join their gang, that's likein school when they told us we would get offered free drugs all the time. People joined gangs bc they were in a gang on the street, or wanted the protection of one in there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison is not like the movies. If you stand up for yourself, other people respect that. I had an old timer tell me my first day in, "if you have to fight every day, fight, don't let anyone take advantage of you." People will prey on the easy targets, if you stand up for yourself they'd rather go for someone who will fold. Fortunately I didn't have to fight every day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tough? No but I stood up for myself. My dad taught me through harsh lessons to be your own man, and I thanked him when I came home that his discipline taught me to be a man and not let anyone else dictate my actions.
Robbery 1st that got dropped to robbery 2nd and a string of burglaries they ran consecutive with the robbery. First offense but they were determined to set a precedent in my small town.
you do 80% of your time so it ended up being 6 years 10 months
In Australia you would need to kill like two families to get that much time.
Something like robbery, 4 or 5th time are usually a warning if you promise not to do it again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true.
In every Australian state, a person found guilty of committing a murder can be sentenced to the maximum penalty of life in prison. In practice, this usually means that the guilty person will serve at least 20 or 25 years in prison without parole, after which they can be considered for release.
8 years doing only 80% of your time worked out to 6 years 10 months then I got an additional 6 months off for my job as a tutor. 21 to 27, few months before I turned 28 but still a lot of years. I probably would've been dead if not for prison.
Lulalynn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:37:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
letmeim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I may be missing some details
But from the story you said the fact that it went from you thinking to it would only be a few weeks to 8 Yearโs is insane.
Yes I said that I thought it would be a few, weeks, that I was going home any time...but I was sentenced to 8 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:23 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know the feeling. I think I got into a really good routine about 9 months in. Breakfast, excercise, lunch, laundry or something, make dinner, t.v. bed. a million counts, some programs, jobs etc...
My summer of drugs and drinking had culminated into stupid crimes and there I was, my mom wasn't going to pay bail, I had to learn my lesson. That lesson turned out to be 8 years in a maximum security prison.
Thatโs what you took from this honest, open, and in depth look into OPโs psyche upon entry into a correctional facility per the AMA request? A typo...get over yourself. This is reddit. Not English lit 400.
[deleted] ยท 21471 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I smell awful"
"He smells awful"
"Holy shit I am bored"
Swiftster ยท 2633 points ยท Posted at 17:17:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for the last time I am scared at the similarity between prison and basic military training.
No shit, jail is practically just a more sedentary BCT with less yelling.
fiveSE7EN ยท 634 points ยท Posted at 18:32:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so when people get stuck in BCT for many months on end due to medical issues, it's exactly like prison.
walla_13 ยท 540 points ยท Posted at 18:48:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being held back in BCT or AIT due to medic issues was terrifying. People would still train on injuries and with sicknesses so they didnโt get held back.
fiveSE7EN ยท 556 points ยท Posted at 18:49:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know I did. I had shin splints that almost brought me to tears, maybe I had bone spurs or something. Fuck it, not going to medical...
Then a dude got recycled for stealing a peanut butter packet. Now that was hilarious.
Goddamn, recycled for that? He had to have been a fuckup in general, right?
fiveSE7EN ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:16:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean the peanut butter thing was the only part of the story that circulated. i don't know the rest of the story, if there was more to it. I hope so.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More than likely he lied about stealing it after he got caught or his senior drill instructor already hated him. I got dropped for injuries and spent a little time in RSP awaiting discharge. All the guys who got dropped for seemingly minor things had major attitude issues or refused discipline/responsibility.
I mean shit, two recruits I met went AWOL for two days and left depot, came back and turned themselves in and picked back up on a new training cycle a few weeks later.
Damn, when was this? I went through summer '15 and definitely remember that once things calmed down about halfway through a TON of us had those peanut butter things in our wall lockers. Honestly, we were laughing after we got done that looking back, the initial search wasn't very intense at all, and I really don't think we had our shit raided 100% unless they were super sneaky about it. Maybe we were a good flight, but we used to laugh we all could have had a big bag of heroin throughout the entire BMT. Granted I've never seen heroin in real life, but ya know, it wouldn't have been hard to smuggle much in.
This was about 10 years ago. I heard from my troops that went through BMT later that it only kept getting easier, by their own admission, compared to stories from the older guys. I think sometime between 2010 - 2012 was when the whole "red card" drama happened and they backed off a lot on the hazing and bullshit.
super late reply but if its the same story it was a guy in my flight, he stole more then one over time and had stored it above a tile above his bunk. TI found it and was not impressed.
Hell, we kicked a kid back to day one from about ten weeks in because he was a fuck-up and nobody liked him. Almost everyone that goes through basic is guilty of stealing some PB for a nighttime snack, so it was pretty easy to plant the evidence. While anyone could be sent back to day one for "stealing", the DI's weren't going to fuck you for it unless you deserved it.
To be fair, my senior was very generous with the protein bars for his "quarterdeck crew", aka anyone willing to complete a certain amount of PT during free time. Only 100 8-count body builders for a powerbar!? Sign me up.
I would have probably done anything for a powerbar. Being hungry all the time changes you. Everyone was daydreaming about food and talking about what meals they were going to have once we got out.
huh... i was the only one in the company who wasn't constantly hungry.
but i was also the only person in the company who wouldn't faff about with any of the low-calorie food and didn't waste time with shit like toast or peanut butter and jelly or bread with butter and sugar.
i asked for double portions in the line and i two-fisted my food - fork in one hand, spoon in the other. i pretty much just pipelined my eating - i was chewing and swallowing and shoveling in a continuous disgusting display of unbridled eating. i probably turned a few people around me off eating.
one of the last in line, one of the first ones out. got my ass smoked the one time my DI questioned me about it tho - she asked me how i ate that so fast, and when i opened my mouth to respond i let go an absurdly window-rattling belch.
i'd been hoping to make it outside before that one worked out, but nooooooo.
We were only given 60 seconds to eat each meal, so you definitely learn to combine foods that shouldn't be combined in the most efficient way possible. I was starving the whole time though, probably because I was super skinny and not used to extensive physical activity.
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:25 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was 6' and 130 lbs at the start, so pretty much underweight, 170 lbs at the end of basic. I went from pretty much never working out or eating much to working out 5 days a week and eating as much as I possibly could.
LOL, a dude in my company got sent back 3 weeks for bringing peanut butter packets back to the squad bay... Far as I know he was squeaky clean before that, good recruit.
I'm confused. In the Army we said PX (post exchange) and DFAC. There would be no way to steal peanut butter from the PX because we were never allowed there. Barracks, PT field, DFAC, cattle truck. This was was in 2000 so I don't know how much different basic is now.
fiveSE7EN ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:14:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My marine friends say PX and mess hall (edit: or chow hall)
Bx (base exchange) and DFAC - Air force.
PX and DFAC - Army.
I don't know about the navy because I never liked anyone I met from the navy.
PX and Chow Hall. To touch on the Peanut Butter subject, somebody from my platoon was dropped for finding a dollar and using it a vending machine for some Skittles at a vending machine. Dropped for lack of integrity.
Of course, Camp Cupcake (Al Asad) had Pizza Hut, Burger King, Subway, Green Bean, etc., etc.,
SunWyrm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was Navy, she used PX/BX and Chow hall/DFAC, all interchangeably but she was stationed on several AF bases.
She told me to go Air Force "because they feed you" - she was not wrong!
Yeah, it's kind of hard not to, when almost everything has an acronym and that's how everyone refers to it. You just get indoctrinated.
BX is Base Exchange. This is like a tax-free Target on the base. Other branches call it PX, because they don't call their installation a base, they call it a "post". Navy calls it a Navy Exchange because they're the Navy.
DFAC is "dining facility", which is also called the chow hall or mess hall.
Grenyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. I'd have more trouble using the acronyms than just simple descriptions like mess hall.
You wouldn't, because it was originally introduced to you as a dfac, and that's what everyone calls it. Even now, to call it a "cafeteria", which is technically what it is, sounds wrong to me.
zappy487 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow Airmen.
Nyketa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well Iโm all fairness those peanut butter cups from the DFAC were a god send with the chocolate protein bars. Was like a 5 Star meal at the time.
No, I didn't get Exchange visits in basic, and I had air guard folks in my flight. I don't think they were happy that they had to do the same full bmt. They kinda wanted a part-time gig.
We had a real dick bag who was going into the bathroom supply closet and hufffing paint out of garbage bags.
Dude got so fucked up he shit on this evangelical christian kids pillow he did not like.
He was on suicide watch shortly thereafter while waiting to be discharged, it was not a good discharge.
Another guy just couldn't handle the structure.
He'd jerk off into socks in the open and throw them at people. We couldn't get the kid out of bed in the morning so we had to physically dress him, it was out of fear of not working together since they punish you all for individual mistakes.
One day we just couldn't do it anymore and the DS found him basically naked on his bunk asleep with a shirt half over his head and one white sock on before PT. That was the beginning of a slow painful end, eventually they microscoped the kid and found he just wasn't mentally capable of coping with the army, so he was discharged on failure to cope with military lifestyle.
I grew up in Georgia, and when I joined I saw a bunch of kids being discharged I went to school with for not being able to cope.
The Army, and specifically the Infantry isn't a joke.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:31:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the Navy in San Diego back in the 70's, and we had a guy jump the fence in boot camp, right into the Marine boot camp. The company commander gathered up all his stuff, and threw it over and told the Marines to keep him. They did. He was transferred into the Corp. Whenever we'd see him marching by we'd hold up our cigarettes and pop and laugh at him.
Spi_Vey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:30:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
on one hand thats hilarious, on the other what a good origin story lmao
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:42:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him again a few months later at a bar in Tijuana, and he said what really pissed him off was they made him purchase his uniforms all over again, so his first check was negative LOL! Took him 2 paychecks just to cover paying for them.
Yea, had a friend stress fracture his foot, continued to train, just kept wrapping it. He's a bit crazy.
Amus3d ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We had a guy get recycled the last 2 weeks of bootcamp. He stole another recruit's money that their grandma gave them for Disneyland. Got caught and went back to day 1.
I knew you were air force the instant someone got recycled for that
We almost got in a fight with our brother flight for making fun of a couple of them who were recycled for the same
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to medical for blisters the size and depth of something I have never seen from my boots during OSUT. My 1SG had to come take a look to see how serious they were and asked if I thought I could do the 12 mile ruck. I said no, I didn't think I could. He said it was mandatory and if I was too hurt, I would get recycled. I then told him I would rather burn in hell. And I will never forget this, as he told me, "Good, you'll be climbing the stairway to heaven". (Benning)
I did that ruck twice in the same week and still have the scars to prove it.
I discovered at basic that I have bone spurs in both feet, and when I was given the choice of leaving, I did. There was no way I was going to get stuck there for months...
I had laundry room, cyst drainage with a sewing kit and Neosporin, so I didn't have to go home to have it fixed. PT was so much nicer after though without that thing on my tailbone.
I had the arch of my foot collapse and I was given the choice of going to medhold or staying, albeit with a fair amount of pain. You bet your ass I limped for the rest of training
During the air Force health thing in basic, I took two packets of peanut butter to put between my special k protein bar we got once a day. I slathered it between two bars in a bathroom stall because I had done someone's bed in exchange for their bar. I ended up choking and went to med hold for a while. It was pretty boring but really fun at times. It was wierd
We also had our class PL(platoon leader) stealing MREโs from some of the more timid kids in our group. He got caught with one at breakfast on a field excercise, It was after the grenade range run, anyway dude was paraded in front of the company. He then decided to show his ass like a child, went on suicide watch, told the DSโs he was gay to get a discharge. His parents told the DSโs he was full of shit and to not make life easy for him. He went AWOL and some MPโs found him off the highway near Benning, they ended up throwing the dude in mental health hold and we saw him a week before graduation still sweeping shit and doing yard work supervised with an orange vest and sneakers.
I had pneumonia when I went through a while back, like green crap coming out of my lungs, sounded like Iโm dieng when I said anything. But I watched a kid from our flight get put into med hold for it so I said nope nope gotta keep going.
Still not as long as the people who attempt suicide, kid cut his wrists with a razor, avoiding details he was there for an extra 4ish months for mental evaluation and such.
I had pretty much exactly that experience in basic, right down to a guy in my flight getting recycled for hiding peanut butter packets in his locker. Are you me?
I'm sure it's common. Just like folks laying under their bunks and stuffing their hands under their mattress to take a nap on Sundays and look like they're making their bed. Just like singing Letters from War at church. I'm sure all of these happen in just about every flight.
we had a guy go awol - full desertion. the funniest part was that he signed out in the barracks log that you had to make an entry in if you had to leave for any reason on your own.
hotgator ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:55:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if other basic training were like this but ours had 4 or 5 people get diagnosed with asthma the first few weeks and get medically discharged. I'm sure they mostly legitimately had it but the word I got was you could ham up mild symptoms during the testing and easily get a med discharge.
I happened to go to sick call a few weeks in and one of our drill sergeants picked the whole lot of us up in a van that afternoon. On the way back we passed by some building with a huge parade ground and there were about 20 privates in PT gear mowing and raking the lawn.
Our drill sergeant yelled to us as we passed them: "You want to get out on a medical priiivates? You can. They did. About 6 months ago. And they'll probably get their discharge finished in another 6 months."
That definitely put in perspective that basic training takes much less time to finish than any serious Army personnel action.
You do but it takes fucking forevvvvver. A kid from my flight had ADHD or anxiety or something like that and was gone within two or three days of us actually arriving to Lackland. He was still there helping out the church services when we graduated 7-8 weeks later.
Another guy went to a doc appointment a few days before we left for tech school and he was told that he had to stay 6 months just in case he wasn't fit after treatment or something like that.
Sparowl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Medical issues? Ha!
When I went through in-processing to GET to basic, I met a guy who had been at in-processing for four months. His paperwork for in-processing had been lost, so they had to contact his guard unit to get it resubmitted - his guard unit who had just gone through a change of command.
Then, when the paperwork came back, it moved up the chain...until it hit the desk of someone who got replaced while it was on his desk.
Then it got lost again.
He literally just sat at in-processing for months on end. They had started treating him like permanent party - having him escort people around, putting him in charge of squads, etc.
I had brought a book with me for the trip to the center (I had had a bus ride, then an overnight stay, then a flight to the in processing center), and ended up giving it to him so he had something to do while his wait continued (he had a small footlocker of books that he had already read while there).
For the record, his time there did count towards his contract, and he was still getting paid as active duty, including family separation addition.
For the record, in-processing was just about the worst experience I had in the Army and I was only there for 5 days.
Sparowl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was out-processing. Getting all the paperwork together and stamped, getting everything turned in, all the appointments, meetings, classes...all while your unit still expects you to show up to work.
I was super stressed. When they handed me my DD214, I swear muscles unclenched that I didn't know I had.
I was relatively lucky in the fact that we had just gotten back from deployment that I was stop-lossed for so my unit was taking it pretty easy on me. However, I do remember it being a pain.
When I was in basic a girl I trained with shattered her knee. Literally shattered it into shards. I didn't see her for a few weeks because she was in the hospital then transferred to sick bay. Well I twisted my knee doing the same thing she did (falling off the survivor course, about 50 feet) and I went to sick bay to receive painkillers and rest. I was only held back 3 days (at first). I saw this girl and she looked like a shell of a human. She was being held back at a minimum of 6 months to heal and then 2 more months of basic. She had a 2 year old daughter at home. I got discharged for fucking spraining my knee because I had a mandatory release date for my senior year of highschool.
I straight up told her to fake a mental illness and get out on a Chapter 11. Hell, if she didn't fake one then, she would definitely develop one during her sick stay.
They make you stay until you're healed. You can't leave base. You can't go home. But you also can't do anything because you're healing so you just get emotionally beaten down constantly while you watch your peers go home all around you. Depending on where you are, you only get one 5 minute phone call a day. You're family can't visit you, either, at least where I was.
There was a woman who injured her spine and was there for 3 years and she was still there when I left..
the_jak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew I had pneumonia about three weeks before graduating from MCRD San Diego.
There was no way in hell I was going to spend a day longer than necessary aboard that installation. I pushed myself and the first day of boot leave after getting home I went to my old family doctor. His exact words were "how aren't you in the hospital?"
Wanting to leave boot camp is a hell of a motivational driver.
I did this. Sprained during training and it swole bad. Extra socks, lace the boots tight and I could walk on it. Even ran the 3mi for our final PFT. Literally 3 weeks from graduating, and I wasn't about to stay any longer.
Finished the 20k ruck with a sprained ankle. My DS gave me an ace bandage to wrap my ankle. It sucked, but it was that or sick call and being recycled.
Yep. I rolled my ankle in AIT and didn't get it checked out because I was terrified of not graduating. Fast forward a decade and I can't run anymore, and can barely walk more than a mile before having to sit for the rest of the day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ran my final PT with a fever and I'm pretty sure I almost died. It was worth it. The medical flight kids had been there for months extra.
As far as Im aware, prisons don't have suicidal/homicidal inmates drag their bunks to the middle of the jail block and force other prisoners to watch them two at a time for two hours at a time overnight.
I made it to BCT and most of the way through in processing when they bounced me for dental issues. I was stuck in the shittiest barracks in the entirety of South Carolina for a month and half. It was awful and the entire time I was thinking "I am never breaking a law again"
Some guys who were in boot camp with me were stellar recruits but ended up on med hold. They came out the other side months later acting almost like ex cons. I would run into them a year later and they had already been on restriction twice, or on their way to get processed out. Their military careers were almost all pretty short, some would make it to their 4 years but none reupped.
I was medically discharged during jump school, was in 'RnR' for close to two months before it actually processed, and my god, the treatment of the people in that unit was neither restful nor rehabilitative.
The outgoing drill sergeants at the end of their assignment used them as fucking slaves, personal mental torture dummies, all types of shit.
In basic, the drills were at least partially in your corner since you were a prospective soldier. In RnR, you were fucking human waste. It was dehumanizing.
I knew one guy who was stuck there for 8-9 months, and said the women were so horny that a few of them would flash the guys whenever they could, and tried to bang in any corner of the building, so there's that.
We got stuck for an extra week in processing because they didn't have enough boots or some shit like that. We were in processing so we weren't allowed to do any strenuous exercise because we weren't in our unit yet (which was odd.) so the most they could do to punish us was put us in the forward rest position (like a pushup, but you just stay there.) for about an hour at a time.
We were so bored by the end of that second week that we had created an entire chess set from stones that we had to hide when the Sergeants (we didn't even have drill sergeants yet!) came through.
My point is, we hated an extra WEEK of processing, I can't imagine what repeating BCT would be like.
When I was in basic the drill sergeant asked one of my friends (who was in the front leaning rest) what's the difference between basic and jail. His reply:
An entire focus of Sociological theory is on how similar institutions all are (specifically ones you can't leave willingly), be it prison, military, or psychiatric hospitals. They all work almost identically from start to finish.
GreyICE34 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There were no real outer walls in any of the rooms. Most of the hallways lined the outer walls and were solid concrete. The only windows were on the tinted doors at the front and back of the school. The other doors leading out were all solid.
This was in Texas so I am guessing the buildings are built to prevent shootings from the outside.
I'm in my 30s, and one thing I've constantly noted is how people who just leave a school almost seem to deprogram for a few years.
For example, if you don't like someone you... who cares? Just don't hang out with them. If there's a few years difference in age... who cares? You can have friends who are 20 years older than you. You make your own social connections.
They just don't seem to quite grasp that you're not trapped with people the way you are in school, that two years of difference means nothing, that their hierarchies just aren't as useful, that popularity isn't as big a deal, or a deal at all.
Even with showering every night,you still smell in BMT. He'll my feet were nasty by the end. My first day in tech school I apologized to my room mate for my feet smelling.
Amen friend! After 8 1/2 weeks I actually felt clean and my head stopped itching (I have thick hair with a mind of its own so in addition to the hair ties and Bobby pins I needed plenty of gel to keep it in regs)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:03:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I start training in 2 weeks... thanks for the confidence boost mate
Just don't get sick, do what you are told, and check the attitude at the door and you should be fine. There are two ways you could go about it, at least for the Navy, you could be hot shit and get a petty officer position but always be visible, or you could be that guy who the RDCs only discovered the day before graduation.
Ah, okay. I'm U.S. Army Infantry. If your training is anything like ours, you gon' die.
For real though, jokes aside, it's tough, and infantry in particular is known for being the toughest besides maybe some special forces dudes. It won't be easy, but just stick with it and don't give up and you'll be fine. As shitty as it is, there's actually a lot to love about basic training too. You're gonna make a lot of friends who'll be willing to die for you, you'll do a ton of cool shit most civilians don't get to do in a lifetime, you'll have fun. Don't stress too much about it man, the fastest way out is through.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't say I'm not looking forwards to it! Phase 1 is 14 weeks, and phase 2 the same, done one after the other. Just planning on keeping my head down and doing what I'm told! Cheers for the pointers!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:52 on April 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes my basic at Benning sucked ass everyday while it was in progress, but after finishing it and looking back it was not so bad and really changed me physically, but more so mentally . Itโs times when youโre pushed past what you thought you are not capable of that really build character.
But the basic is nothing compared to the deployments. Then you realize you have so much fucking potential you never knew you had in you. And also you will bond with people on levels that just donโt exist in the civilian world. Itโs impossible to put into words the bonds and sacrifices you would make without hesitation for your brothers.
I think a huge part of my struggles since I got out is that I havenโt been able to find that bond in the civilian world.
But the basic is nothing compared to the deployments. Then you realize you have so much fucking potential you never knew you had in you. And also you will bond with people on levels that just donโt exist in the civilian world. Itโs impossible to put into words the bonds and sacrifices you would make without hesitation for your brothers. I think a huge part of my struggles since I got out is that I havenโt been able to find that bond in the civilian world.
You hit the nail on the fucking head. I know that struggle. It's been 6 years since my last deployment, and I still haven't gotten over it. Leaving all that behind was the most bittersweet break-up I have ever had.
I was an usa airforce programmer, so this may not be typical, but post training it was basically a beaurocratic heavy office job with weird customs and group exersize in the morning. The usaf military is very corperate. The hyper rigorous precision is reserved for when it really matters.
Maxxx21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
USAF vehicle ops here, if Iโm not sitting in a drivers seat, Iโm sitting at a desk for 8 hours.
I'm signing up next January. I mostly want health insurance and to finish school without debt because living in the US is apparently a dystopian nightmare at the moment.
Maxxx21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized the distinct smell that guys had fresh out of BMT. After being in tech school for a few months and you get a new roommate, that smell of musky BO really sticks on them.
Irketk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At Kessler AFB, you could smell them across the triangle when the newbie BMT grads arrived.
556pez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. I was a Correctional Officer for years before I joined the Army. I learned I had ptsd and could not handle being in an institutional environment.
FYF69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basic was worse. Jail was mostly boredom, not terror.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:22:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you get hurt during training at MCRD San Diego, it's WORSE.
MRP is literally NEXT to the parade deck, so you get to hear either platoons drilling all day, OR, and my personal favorite that made me want do whatever it took to get better, even lying about how far along I was in rehab, was the people graduating every week.
Holy shit, at least in prison you know WHEN you're getting out.
In MRP, you're just constantly reminded that you aren't going ANYWHERE.
Wait so are boot camps boring in the US? I was in the Taiwanese Army and we get perhaps 10 minutes of idle time per day during the first two months of basic training...
Honestly I say this as someone in their late 20s and disabled pick something with more applicable skills in the civilian sector. I thought I was gonna have a full career and retire in the army NOPE life took a quick turn in another direction. Sometimes I feel like an NBA player that got injured with no other skill sets to fall back on
Edit: The earlier part said I had a blast as a 19D the history is deep and the culture is crazy as fuck. Takes a special kind of person to be a cav scout and love it.
Back in my day we did training at Knox I feel like dinosaur
My degree is in Environmental Studies and career goals include being a Federal Wildlife Officer, so I feel like there are some transferable skills, no?
Everything I've heard about cav scouts is they are some absolutely insane soldiers. I have nothing but respect and admiration for you man.
I know they're at Harmony Church at Benning now. I've got a buddy there that says it's the best shit he's ever been though!
Jilozap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, after the first few weeks you generally have several hours a day where all you can really do is clean your rifle or look over notes you took during classes. It was actually pretty boring
What branch were you in? We didn't have it that easy in the Air Force, and that's supposed to be the "has it easy" branch.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I was going to say "but what about waiting in lines" and then I remembered we usually had our faces buried in the study guide any time we were inactive for more than a few minutes.
Probably varies branch to branch, but I found the air force to be a lot of boring classes, a lot of waiting around for some kind of processing. There was never a lot of straight up idle time, but 90% of it was on autopilot.
[deleted] ยท 5099 points ยท Posted at 16:29:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1380 points ยท Posted at 19:52:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:07:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just went through all of your stuff and i gotta say, you complement sprog the elders poems spectacularly and i have now dubbed you sprog the younger in my Res.
This also applies to the small surly fellow with the toothbrush shiv a few cells down
pbugg2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:54:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs definitely a jail stench that I sometime smell in my brain nose. Itโs kinda nice knowing that Iโm not in there and Iโm in the bed with my girlfriend or at work.
Yup. I did a day and a half for a minor...let's say, clerical misunderstanding. They put me county jail, in with some long-term guys on minimum security(relatively speaking) that had a TV, N64 and a library just down the hall. But that shit gets boring real quick when that's ALL you have to do and zero windows.
That was fifteen years ago and I've had nothing but a single speeding ticket since. The thought of being caged like that for a long-term type sentence scared me right the fuck straight ever since.
No, this was a 'contempt of court and missed re-scheduled court date' type misunderstanding. I had a minor problem recognizing law enforcement's position of authority over me...more or less.
coheed78 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:07:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did some controls work on a new kitchen at a maximum security prison. Yeah, those places smell absolutely terrible.
I did a few one nighters in Harris County in Houston. People don't understand just how bad the smell is...I'm gagging just thinking about it. It gets into your nose and mouth and just fucking stays there. Like shit mixed with rancid BO, mixed with rotten Indian food, placed inside a box, and then left to ruminate for a few decades. Every time I went to jail there was at least one if not more people, without fail, that shit themselves and literally just laid there in it in the holding cell like nothing happened. That mixed with 80 or so other people that haven't showered in a few days being crammed in a 20x20 room was not pleasant.
Rainiero ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No relation to the famous TV host. Bob Barker is the name of a manufacturer that specializes in prison toiletries and the like (also psych wards etc.) The products are cheap and barely work, but I've heard their underwear are surprisingly decent.
Bob Barker owns a sanitary supply company that provides sanitary starter kits to incoming inmates to most county jails/prisons. I believe it is call Maximum Security if I am not mistaken. Usually the cost of these kits is somewhere around 22 dollars. They include a useless toothbrush, toothpaste, deodorant, pencil, cup and spoon and small sheets of paper and one paid envelope.
butt-guy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Essentially what went through my buddy's mind when he was booked. Also there weren't any windows or clocks within view of the cells so he lost all sense of time when he was in there.
Edit: they also gave him a mattress for the bunk, but both those things smelled like piss. So he ended up sleeping on the floor under the bunk because the lights were too bright.
I witnessed a solution to the โothers smell bad partโ. There were two guys with shoulder length dreadlocks, they put soap behind their ears and shook their head back and forth. The soap smell travelled with the hair and into their faces. Problem solved!
And forget about reading. Every book if missing the first 4 chapters and the last 3 chapters.
So you don't know how they got there, not entirely sure who they are, and you get no resolution. Some good character development in between though... You know, that actually kinda sounds a lot like jail now that I type it out.
Maybe we had different experiences. College was the most fun part(y) of my life.
Clankkk ยท 17870 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first thing thing that went through my mind was "How can I mentally prepare myself to survive this." Then when you get moved to your cell it changes instantly "Who's sizing me up". After that while laying on the bunk its "I'm going to have a lot of unpaid bills when I get out".
hoozt ยท 6300 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how do you handle the bills? Call someone to help out?
Clankkk ยท 9051 points ยท Posted at 17:04:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you have friends and family that will assist. The one thing you have to realize is the world doesn't stop just because you're locked up.
DemiGod9 ยท 5265 points ยท Posted at 17:51:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I'd be uber fucked if I went to jail. That's an aspect I never thought of
xShooK ยท 3069 points ยท Posted at 18:06:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your house gets seized, at least you'll have a roof over your head still. Just keep going back, free food and TV!
sparksfIy ยท 3325 points ยท Posted at 18:47:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But, most end up back because it's damn near impossible to find work after you've been in prison and/or have a felony.
bottledry ยท 2318 points ยท Posted at 19:40:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a local Chicken joint in my area that only hires "difficult to employ" people.
Drug adicts, convicts, homeless.. its built into their business model, and I love giving them my business because of it.
RevBendo ยท 1418 points ยท Posted at 19:54:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I come across someone whoโs a recovering drug addict, and it seems like theyโre honestly trying to get their life back together, itโs honestly a huge boost to my chances of hiring them. Despite my experiences with addiction in friends / family, it isnโt because I have a bleeding heart or want to make them a charity case โ itโs because 90% of the time they turn out to be the best worker I have an run circles around people who have been doing the job for longer.
Sure Iโve gotten burned by it a couple times, but itโs about the same rate as by the general public.
So please, everyone. Keep not giving second chances and just send them my way!
Thank you for being you. I'm a recovering addict/felon. Been clean around 5 years. It took multiple trips to jail, losing almost everything, etc., and I finally got clean by putting myself in an 18 month (voluntary) treatment program. The program had some professional resume writers who came in and donated their time and helped us learn skills that people pay hundreds of dollars an hour for. I ended up with a badass resume. Some people from the Rotary club came in to give mock interviews, for the residents of the program (mostly addicts, some with mental health issues) to practice interview skills. The man who interviewed me liked me and ended up inviting me to interview at his law firm. That hadn't happened as long as the program had been in existence, since it was practice interviews, not a real job hunt, but the director of the program made an exception and I went to the firm for an official interview. They didn't have any openings at the law firm, and I had nothing but restaurant experience, but they created a position for me. They took a huge chance and gave me a shot. I've been here 4+ years and I will be loyal to this place forever. It helped me reshape the way I saw myself. At first I felt like a fraud, like they would all realize I was just a junky. The longer I worked here the more I felt like I belonged. They trained me and now I have honest to god skills! I dress up nice and come in to the office just like everyone else. I've been able to grow into my new life, which is more beautiful than I would've dared to dream of, and a huge piece is having a job I can be proud of. TBH, I couldn't even get a job at McDonalds, because of my background. This job was an unbelievable blessing. Having this opportunity helped change my life and the way I see myself. Being given a chance made all the difference in the world. Thank you for doing what you do. There are tons of people trying to turn their lives around, who are far more deserving than I, who will never get that opportunity. You being willing to take a chance and help give someone a future is so fucking cool. You're a good one.
I was served by a guy today who clearly is more recently off Meth. I assume he was on some kind of program, not sure if it was mandated or not. But the guy, while clearly new to all of this, was giving it all his effort. He's got the drive through headset on, covering the inside tills, ducking to the kitchen to sort out the fries, getting all the drinks.
The guy that was there to evaluate him pulled him asside and gave him really encouraging praise because he was genuinely doing really well. He seemed so thankful to have the position and I hope he can keep it up and build a good life for himself.
As an ex manager in late night venues and gaming, I have dealt with a lot of junkies and it's never pretty. All the best to him.
That is beautiful. I think often times people have no idea how even just a little encouragement can go a long way, especially to someone who is trying to leave everything they know and the comfort and haze of dope, and see the cold clear sober facts that they probably need to change literally everything and everyone they know. To give someone an opportunity to be a productive member of society is worth so much. I'm not kidding when I say I couldn't get a job at McDonalds, or a gas station, or walmart. I have felonies and therefore, I'm pretty much fucked. I think employers who give felons chances will probably get screwed over sometimes. But other times they can be giving someone so much more than a job. Thank you for being the kind of person willing to make a difference. I hope whoever you give a shot takes it for all it's worth and makes you proud.
Someone will eventually take a chance on you - with a job, and with a place to live.
Know that it will happen, be thankful for your freedom, and donโt listen to the naysayer inside your head that wants you to be bitter and resentful.
My felony conviction was in 2001, and is now a distant memory...Iโve got a great job, a family and a life.
As frustrating as this portion of the journey can be, you will get past it If you stick to the plan. Lots of folks, me included, will be rooting for you.
Good luck to you. Don't give up! Hopefully you will find another open minded employer , and when you get your shot let reddit know how you are getting on ๐
Are you in the US? Check out a Goodwill program called Job Connections that specializes in finding all kinds of jobs for those with barriers to employment.
Hey man, I was the Gm for a company that had over 65 employees and any given time, and over 4 years had Close to 160 total employees. I too agree that someone who genuinely wants to better them selves, they will stop at nothing and shine above the rest to get the results. I mentioned their history goes no further than myself and them at work. Yes like the other guy I was burnt many times. However it didn't change my look on things. Ended up promoting many over the years to be my right hand workers. Stick it out no matter what. Here's the deal...simple and you've heard it a million times I'm sure but, the end result...if you really want it, feels better than any drug, or will treat you better than any "friend" from your past. I've taken people into my home, guided them, all the stuff I would hope for someone to do for me if I was in their shoes. Comes back to an old saying my parents raised me with. "Treat others the way you'd want to be treated" I don't know you, but I believe in you. Belief is stronger than one may think... it's energy and were all in this together in one way or another.
Keep at it man. I met some awesome people who had done a stint in prison when I lived in Philly. Warehouse work is pretty great, some of them are pretty tough on background checks, but you can learn a lot of different skills working in a worker. You can get a CDL on the company's dime some places. Plus forklift certification and shit.
It might also be good to consider that some places would probably rather save money than actually do the background check. If you think you are applying to one of those places, you can probably just lie if you think the odds of them not checking are higher than the odds of you being considered after telling the truth. Play the odds. There's no shame in doing what you need to do as long as you really do have good intentions.
Realize that this can come with the risk of getting fired if they ever do find out, but that is very unlikely to come up later on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:17 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to high end restaurants during the day, ask to speak to the chef about being a cook. The turnover rate is high in kitchens and you will find a job. Or use Craigslist and get into construction. Start as a laborer or painter and learn carpentry or tile. Both roads lead to a decent paycheck. Good luck.
If you're around the Philly area, Shop Rite works with exfelons to give them a job and build them up. It's the Browns Shop Rites and they have been doing this for years.
[deleted] ยท 313 points ยท Posted at 20:17:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. 4 years ago I was a literal methhead. Now I'm the Gm of a restaurant and a full time student
As a recently released parolee who is pounding pavement all day in a brand new city looking for any work he can find, this comment nearly brought me to tears. Thank you so much, you seriously renewed my dwindling faith in the goodness of people as I search for a job.
Good job dude! Rooting for you and your recovery!!
Great job, what are you going to school for? That must be tough while being a GM. Sounds like a lot of work
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Accounting. Honestly it's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I got promoted over break and just started classes. I keep telling myself people go from homeless to Harvard but idk sometimes i still feel like dropping out
Swamyyy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look in to part time studying and see if that is a viable option for you, it may take you longer but you'll still get there in the end. Much better than pushing yourself too hard and burning out in my opinion. Best of luck and congratulations on your sobriety!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pharmacology?
0rangutan ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I call it "hiring off the bounce". The people I hire from the halfway houses are great. They work hard, are happy for the opportunity, and quicker learners than people that aren't trying to rebuild their lives. Like u/RevBendo said I've been burned, but no more than I have by "normals". YES, I AM LOOKING AT YOU JUSTIN! WHO TAKES THE BATHROOM KEYS HOME WITH THEM AND NEVER COMES BACK? THIS IS NOT HOW A SOCIETY WORKS! WE CANT OPEN THE PAPER TOWEL MACHINE!!
RevBendo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a former heroin addict who is trying to become a doctor, this gives me hope...kind of
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sorry to hear about your uncle. just to give you some more perspective it likely isn't that he got cocky but rather that his diseases finally beat him into submission. I'm about a year clean from heroin and my life is amazing today but I still have to battle it every single day. It is incredibly powerful and is always trying to find an angle to get back into your life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really a disease though? Or is that just something you say to get a bit more pity?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha are you serious? What decade are you living in where you donโt think addiction is a disease.. the 50โs?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well its kinda self inflicted no? I mean I've heard it many many times but it's mostly in a joking and almost sarcastic context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so if something is self-inflicted it's not a disease? Would you say someone who eats a lot of sugar and develops type 2 diabetes not have a disease?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:55 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see your point, didn't think of it like that but great comparison. Sorry if I offended you at all, I know i may have come off a bit crass
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:50:17 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a run-in about 10 years ago that put me with a felony for 5 years (dropped to a misdemeanor immediately after) and found myself working odd jobs for the first 4, barely getting by. I took a job as a sales associate in a sales position under someone who knew my situation personally, but told me not to tell anyone since they don't do background checks.
I got promoted to assistant manager soon after because I was really good at it, with the end result being that I would run my own store in a year's time. About two months before I move for my own store, they start making us background check everyone who is hired on.
When I got to my own store I would have interviews set up when my regional manager came, some of which ticked 'yes' on the felony question. He hated that I interviewed these people. He also reprimanded me when I hired one of them as my assistant manager (he still doesn't know I was in the same situation). I have hired at least ten people who have felonies over the past few years, and they are always the hardest workers you will find. The first guy started out sleeping in his beat up car and me letting him use the stores address for his mail. Now he runs his own store, bought a new car and owns his own house.
This country (the US) doesn't want to give anyone second chances, and that's a shame. People fuck up; it takes some of us doing that to get on a good path.
Thank you so much! As a person in recovery it means a lot to me and the entire community when someone is willing to give us a chance. Most of us really do want to make our lives better and be given chance to be judged based on our abilities. If we fail then thatโs OK, we failed and failure is part of life; it nice to know that we at least got the opportunity.
Calithin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My company doesn't hire anyone who's been convicted of anything. Doesn't matter what it was, or what position they're hiring for.
One employee didn't tell them during the hiring process. Worked for about a year. He was excited to be able to provide for his daughter, and show her mother he wasnt a deadbeat.
Then management did a background check on him since they wanted to move him to a new position, didn't tell him about any of this.
He came into work one day, the manager, district manager, and even regional VP were waiting, and told him he was fired, and he might be hearing from the company lawyers, and they'll be reviewing camera footage to see if he's stolen anything. Escorted him out to his car, and (this part I didn't hear personally, but he told me this) they had cut the lock off his locker and were going through his personal effects, and would be disposing of it afterward.
I mean, I get some jobs having good reason for not hiring those convicted of certain crimes. But the guy was working in retail. Not even running a register. And we get checked every time we leave the store to make sure we aren't stealing. It's not like he murdered anyone.
All he was trying to do was make a living and try to provide for the people he cares about.
Last I spoke to him, he had been either passed over, or fired from more than 15 separate jobs just because of his criminal record.
As a recovering addict, thank you for this. I'm one of the lucky few who managed to avoid getting a criminal record during my addiction (and knock on wood before or after it as well) but I'm coming up on 4 years clean and I just divorced my ex who is also an addict, currently in prison. I also gained a lot of wonderful friends throughout my recovery who have felonies because of their addictions and they're the best people I know now that they're sober. It makes me sad that in my area they are basically unemployable.
Hi, addict in recovery. Thank you for what you do. Catching a break like that can mean everything to someone who's rebuilding their life from the ground up.
Before I got an overhead position I never realized how incredibly fucking unreliable the 'general public' is. Calling in 2 minutes before your shift starts that you'll be half an hour late and then showing up 45 minutes late. Calling in sick with a cold an hour after your shift starts. Not calling in at all, showing up the next week pretending like nothing ever happened. Answering your personal cell phone (which shouldn't be on your person due to data protection policies) while on the phone with a customer.
Every time I call in sick I feel like an asshole because other people will have to do my job. Every time I send an email the moment I know and call as soon as I know someone will be there to answer the phone. I just can't imagine being the average general public.
I have rented a room to a number of people who came fresh out of prison. They came to me at recommendations of others, who were just needing someone to give them a chance. I do my due diligence, and check in on them and what they went away for. Talk to their parole/probation officers, and lay out clear rules, and normally its more to guide them back into free living. Coming out of the penal system, a lot of the time they have troubles adjusting back to normal. With that being said, I do what I can to help them be successful in a way a friend would help. I'm not going to do things for you, or remind you like your mother. But if you ask help, and I reasonably can, I help.
I've been burned a couple times, but nothing to stop me from helping.
When someone comes out of prison, people have paid for their crimes, and society likes to to forget that. Stop judging, and start helping. When these people are coming back out, and don't have a support system, that's when they end up backed into a corner and back in the system.
i was unemployed for two years until i got my second chance, and iโve been told iโm the hardest working employee, and it means a lot, but not as relieving a second chance. i aim to work as hard as i can when iโm at work to SHOWhow grateful i am. thank you for saying that, not all of us are waiting to use again .
I don't think all businesses can afford that liability. Many corps need to think about customer or investor perception if something does go wrong. More so for the felons than the addicts.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As long as they're honest. The ones who aren't really getting sober and are just killing time till the next run, they will fuck you over something hard.
ttchoubs ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:46:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Name man we need a name!
bottledry ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 19:54:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that places like this do this, but most I hear about seem like they offer pretty little in terms of advancement. You aren't going to support yourself, much less family or education, on the kind of wages you get at a chicken joint.
That's not the chicken joints fault and they are doing more than their part to help, but we have to do more. We really need to figure out a better way to get excons into solid careers that can actually get them the kind of financial stability that will reduce recidivism.
Kbost92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not chicken joints, but thereโs lots of advancement opportunity in trade jobs.
I have a lot of people who work for me who have gone through struggles with substance abuse issues. Also a lot of felons.
Then again, I am a director of an outpatient drug/alcohol treatment program!
I've four staff members who have two more more prior felonies, one staff member with only one felony. A good # of my staff have no criminal record/drug history. I make it a point to not steer someone who away who has messed up.
Sadly, though, in my industry, I cannot employ certain people with felonies such as sexual assault, arson (insurance liability, not my rule), kidnapping, and a few others that escape my memory at the moment.
I had one gent who committed sexual assault twenty years ago. Locked up for seven years. Did his time. Went through massive therapy. Even earned a degree and a license to be a therapist!!!
Company owner wouldn't let me hire this person due to him being a large risk. H.R. loved the guy, too, but, backed the owner due to perceived/possible risk.
I get that. I do. I was super saddened.
Guy understood but was obviously disappointed.
(Silver lining: I pointed him out to a friend of mine who does private practice. She put him to work and he now has a client base of twenty-five that he sees every month.)
My grandfather was a vice president of a large tobacco harvesting/manufacturing company quite a while ago. He made a point to hire those types of people, because he believed it was his Christian duty to help people in those circumstances who had paid their debt to society. He was a stern man in business, and had a "fuck me once" one-strike policy which he made quite clear to those hires, and according to my family, he never had to fire any of them.
That's a genius business model. Hire people known to be 'ard, and the other 'ard ones won't mess with you. Not only because they know they'd get hurt if they tried, but also because they'd be messing with the one place willing to give them a chance after they return to the real world.
cpali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
mike_d85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple of restaurants that are work rehabilitation programs. Cons get training in cooking while inside, get a job while they're fresh out, and then have recent experience to put on their resume to find a job.
Food and bev doesn't really pay that much attention to background checks if you're working back of the house.
iDork622 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a chain?
HoMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We have a coffee shop opening near me soon thats exactly the same, it'll be employing the homeless. The father/daughter team opening it are great people, they really are.
Genuine question- if they build it into their business model, how do they protect themselves against theft, drug use, violence etc as Iโd imagine not everyone looking for work would be completely reformed
My buddy, the cleanest-living person I know, somehow ended up with a job as a cook at a place like this. He was surrounded by these massive dudes with face tattoos and prison-weight-bench muscles. Turns out they sourced most of their employees from a local rehab/work program for recently-released felons, and he happened to apply the one time they didn't have enough people.
The next guy hired after him was fired his first day after going out for a "smoke break," only to be caught out back nodding off while holding a needle.
Yep. Plus the cops steal confiscate all your stuff. I have a family friend who went to prison for 12 years on drug charges (growing pot in the 80's) and the state took everything. His houses sure I get that, he was using them to grow. But they also "confiscated" about $25k worth of tools and would not give them back after he got out. He was a mechanic by trade and after he got out he was doubly fucked because of that. Nobody wants to hire a felon but shops are 100% going to laugh at hiring someone with a record AND no tools.
Pisses me off. Some POS cop probably has a real nice home set up now.
kfmush ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really its a combination of both. Major debt and loss of wealth, with the impossibility of employment. Meanwhile, the corporations running the prisons are making bank off the cheap/free labor and subsidies. They want it to stay this way.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:23:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For one, using prison labor for profit is illegal. For another, only 7 percent of state prisons are privatized, and 18 percent of the federal pens. And the feds just last year said they're phasing out private prisons because they're poorly run and have a high incidence of violence. The real answer is poor people go to prison more frequently because they can't afford decent legal representation. And poor people are also more likely to be involved in crimes that have a high probability of being caught.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:46:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like your post and the post before stem from the same point. It's damn near impossible to find work after prison, so you can't have a roof over your head, and boom
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both are so very right. I have family that became a felon because a cop blocked her car on someone else's property. It was a long driveway and they were in the middle of leaving when crazy lady calls the cops.
She has to work 10x as hard an anybody I know and two jobs just to keep afloat and she would be homeless if not living with us. Every job hates you for even being near the word felon, and 99% don't give a shit HOW it got there and only with that its there, (it's quite a few years in america before they strike even the weakest felonies).
Shes said that she might as well kill some people she hates so she can get the treatment the state is giving her as a free citizen.
Obviously not going on a rampage, but you see how brutally unfair it is for these people, even the innocent ones. So somebody with enemies is pretty much a ghost after jail/prison.
Both are so very right. I have family that became a felon because a cop blocked her car on someone else's property. It was a long driveway and they were in the middle of leaving when crazy lady calls the cops.
How though? Why is having your car blocked in a driveway a felony?
Heโs leaving out huge details of the story in order to gain sympathy
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The lady that called the cops claimed she stole her cigarettes. Cop pulls in, blocking her, searched bags and find (guess what?) cigarettes.
It sounds stupid, but if you live in america you know that's all it takes to ruin somebodies life.
Possession of alleged stolen goods and trespassing is all it takes.
OH SHIT I JUST REMEMBERED, thats how her bags got searched. What tehy found was a guy, "Kato"'s prescription. She was keeping them from him because he is, well was. unstable. Kato passed, it was her son that found him, its a long story.
In short, she was saving a life. It didn't matter in the end. shes a felon, hes dead, and we have to keep moving on. (remembering this kinda makes me sad.) (if you were wondering he OD'd on X and hung to make sure it ..happened.)
There's actually a lot of value in hiring ex-felons. There's a federal tax program that gives your business $2,400 back for every ex-felon you employ; some states also have their own tax incentives. Also, felons aren't the type of employee that is going to work for you a few months and then jump to another job. It's hard enough for a felon to get employment, so they will likely do whatever they can to stay employed. There was also a study that showed that ex-felons were more loyal to the company they worked for, presumably because that company took a chance on them and they feel an obligation back to the company.
This is true. My comment obviously ignored the complexity of the situation.
It should not be that hard to find a job after- especially for nonviolent crimes and even for violent crimes if we truly believe the reason we put people in prison it to be reformed.
there are many resources you can utilize if you are an ex-offender. check out your local unemployment office/workforce site, and a lot of them have re-entry services or additional assistance. they can help you find employers who people who have criminal backgrounds. yes, it depends on the crime, but it's not impossible.
I have a pending felony for a mistake I made 3 years ago. I was lucky enough to not go to prison for it because it was my first offense, but I am on 5 years of probation, 3 on good terms.
I have completely changed my life and am grateful but itโs so damn hard finding a job. Iโll be stuck in food industry jobs for the next several years, or until my felony is dismissed and then hopefully get it expunged.
But even if I expunge my record, it will always be there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I took my first shower at home. "Holy Shit! Its been YEARS since I took a shower without flip flops on. Also I don't tape a bunch of magazines around my body to prevent a stabbing when I have an argument outside. But seriously, getting a job was tough, especially after you kill someone, and of course I thought and still think about my friends that are never getting out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kegtech ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:38:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Our insurance doesn't allow us to take felons on as apprentices. In my state you can't branch off on your own as a contractor until you put your time in under somebody else's license.
My college offers free tuition to some non-violent offenders out of Rikers Island. Makes it easier, but a lot of them still have some trouble after graduation.
luzzy91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to add, you don't even need a felony to be unemployable to most places. I'm lucky that I found good pay doing manual labor, because I can't be in management basically anywhere after my background check that contains a misdemeanor.
Not true. Most employers don't run full background checks unless you're applying for a government job. I work in the engineering field, and I have a few felonies, and I spent 6 years in the joint for drug trafficking. Most end up back because that's what they know. They get out, they have nowhere to go,no money to survive, so they turn to a life of crime. Selling drugs, robberies,etc... I'm not saying it's right, but sometimes you have to "stretch" the truth a little when you've been convicted of multiple felonies when applying for jobs. MOST employers don't run extensive checks like that these days due to the expense. I mean fuck man, they didn't even verify to see if my bachelor's was actually valid. They checked my resume, I went for a drug screen, and I started work the following week. And this is working for General Motors on their engineering team,making much more than I did selling weed back when I was trafficking drugs. I'm just saying that not all hope is lost because you're a convicted felon. It is difficult, but not impossible.
Sonyw810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm super thankful I was reduced to a misdemeanor. Iโll gladly sit 6months to get out with a misdemeanor.
I got bored after a while and started writing the DA for early release. She kept reminding me that early release wasnโt part of the deal.
So Iโd write her back and ask if we could make it a deal.
There's this bread company that hires ex-convicts to work for them. The founder spent fifteen years in prison before founding it. Their bagels are amazing.
I think there was a guy who had canver or something so he walked into a bank with 1 bullet in a gun, fired it into the air, then sat and waited for police
vingeran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hospitality
_Serene_ ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That mindset shouldn't be enabled by taxpayers money.
It shouldn't be enabled by the prison system and the job market either, yet here we are
Pinksters ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:21:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some lose so much while separated from the rest of society.
First its your wife/girlfriend+kids, house, car and credit with it. Then friends and acquaintances.
You might get lucky and have loving family left that supports you while locked up but good luck getting any help when you first get out and have nothing left.
Either go back to prison or neck yourself. Some times living in a permanent state of confinement is better than not living
TessHKM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In NY Criminals get free tablets which is fucking ridiculous
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:46:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blame JPay who is funding it.
They wonโt give tablets to schools where it could be used to educate. But they will pay to give tablets to prisoners so they can charge prisoners and their families $0.50 per text message from their devices.
Itโs just them finding new ways to exploit prisoners while making it look like doing something nice for them.
So making it easier for parents who are incarcerated to interact with their children is a bad thing? Many of the extra features are turned off depending on the prison. America needs to either figure out if prison is for rehabilitation or punishment. I believe most citizens have made up their mind and they've chosen punishment..
Yes! I commented above that not getting jobs after is a result of not believing the system reforms. And Iโm sure it has its problems. It should be reformation, not punishment.
In jail or when they get out? If they get them once they're out why do you find it ridiculous? With most jobs requiring resumes be emailed or at least an inline job application in order to even be considered for the position, most apartments for rent being online nowadays, and hell, a lot of free resources can be found online. Plus WiFi is free almost everywhere. It could actually help immensely with reintegration into society. So why exactly is it a bad thing?
I'm not a NY citizen but I'd much rather my tax dollars go to handing out a tablet for rehab purposes with the hope that they become a contributing member of society rather than having to pay to house the person in jail or prison again.
In Jail FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES. It's supposedly from a Private Company so it won't be from my Tax Dollars and supposedly with no internet access but once you get a Tablet the Jails Wifi Password will be Leaked once they hack it most likely.
scsm ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:17:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you joke but I have had a few family members and friends work at state penitentiaries and they have quite a few stories where someone was going to be homeless, couldn't afford heat/food so they would intentially go to prison for a place to live.
xShooK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know man, I've seen it too. Friends don't care to go back, homies still there and you'll learn a new hustle. It's sad, but it's a damn trap. Once a felon, no one cares about you. Gotta work your ass off just to survive on some minimum wage job, very few options.
numberIV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:09:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be dissin' jail Julian. We've had tons of fun in there, we have good friends in there, there's good dope. Don't be dissin' jail like that, it's not cool.
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You joke but I know a guy who the bank took his home but he refused to move out. When the bank sent the Sheriff, he told the Sheriff he was still the property owner.
He even kept the power and water on but just didn't pay any rent or property taxes up until about a year when the bank sold the home as a foreclosed auction.
The guy who bought the home was a flipper and a friend of my brothers. He told me it was really sad after he bought the home and the guy was still living in it that he had to leave or was going to be arrested.
The guy didn't trash the home or anything but just packed up all the stuff he could take and put it in his car and went somewhere else.
Kbost92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I went to county jai, I met quite a few homeless men inside that simply committed petty crimes just to go to jail in the winter so theyโd be warm and have three meals a day.
knj30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I distinctly remember thinking this when I was like 7 years old. I asked my mom "why don't homeless people just go commit a crime so at least they'd go to jail and have a place to sleep and food to eat?" She didn't know what the heck to say ๐
knj30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right?! I distinctly remember thinking this at like 7 years old. I asked my mom "why don't homeless people just go steal a car or commit a crime so they can go to jail and at least have somewhere to sleep and food to eat?" She didn't know what the heck to say to that ๐
jayesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not just jail, but just arrested and unable to post bail.
So many innocent people wind up being released because the charges were bogus but the damage has been done. Car gone, job gone, apartment gone, stuff (possibly) gone... unless someone else was paying the bills, they're in collections. If they had auto-pay on their account, they likely have multiple overdrafts...
Being innocent is no guarantee that the justice system won't fuck you over.
DemiGod9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true too. The fucking Justice Punishment System
profeDB ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:47:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do taxi, food delivery and now fucking? I guess this really is the gig economy.
"Excuse me Tyrone, I know the computer room is where you sling cigarettes but I really need to visit FedLoan.com to pay off my advanced education loans. We cool bro?"
blue1748 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not sure itโd be that bad, you could probably still drive uber.
The student loan sharks who read about your arrest probably laugh over their breakfast served atop bodies of supermodels and say, "Heheheh, look who just made a fortune on interest!"
"Very good, sir!"
"Quiet, table!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going on mission for 6 months. Im just glad I have a girlfriend who fixes the bills. Those that doesn't have one to take care of it have problems
Didn't know Netflix was accepting ass as a form of payment now. Looking forward to the grass option...i have plenty of that shit laying around but unwilling to give up the booty.
MrPiiie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just stopped going one day. Tried signing papers but they got lost or something, the gym called me a couple times. But found out that it doesn't hurt your credit and doesn't go to collections, so I didn't care.
I've got the opposite problem. I've got a corporate membership through work and pay $10 a month while work pays the rest. The gym had a computer system update and all corporate accounts don't show up. They've let me in, but for more than a year they won't give me a card because I "don't have an account".
People just do not realize all you have to do is send a letter of cancellation, via certified mail, to where your contract specifies. It is super easy, but most people think telling a random front desk person that you are canceling is sufficient. Read the contract and it is actually easy.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why kind of backwards ass business expects people to mail a letter these days though
QBEagles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that telling a "random desk person" should be sufficient. The only reason to make people send a letter is to add additional steps to the process thus making it more difficult and frustrating. It isn't illegal, but it's plainly unethical
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't the front desk guy whip out a cancellation form and have you sign it?
QBEagles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/u/digitalmofo said as much, but this is nonsense. Again, there's no good reason this couldn't be done in person at the gym except to add another step to the process and make it more difficult, thereby limiting cancellations. You can do it in writing there, it isn't hard.
I believe you can't really do anything like that from jail, you need someone on the outside to handle all that for you.
That is at least what it sounds like. I guess, even if you could make calls, you don't have your banking info and your accounts will run dry without income.
Ollyvyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you don't have your banking info
you don't memorize your checking account and routing numbers?
nmezib ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That and credit card bills. Especially hard to do if you don't have an income and no one to trust with paying the monthly minimums.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you can pay off the balance, no, you can't just phone from jail and say "cancel my credit card bills please"
CSI_gal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um...most people do not plan to go to jail. This is something that usually happens with out notice. No real way to plan for it. Also, it is probably not the first thing on their mind when it does occur. "Hold on officer, let me deffer my credit card payment before you take me in." Doesn't seem logical to me.
All phone calls made from jail are collect calls which cost ridiculous amounts if the person you're calling hasn't set up an account (around $15 for a 30 minute call). I guess you could possibly send a letter to cancel the account, but where are you going to get the address? I don't think people realize how extremely limited you are to take care of absolutely anything on the outside.
Lowca ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:12:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Student loans I'm guessing. I owe close to $100K, so if I were to go to prison for a few years, after accrued interest, they would basically be unpayable.. short of winning the lottery.
Lowca ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fixed.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Lowca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deferment isn't discharge though.. he still has to pay them eventually. They are MORE than happy to defer your student loans, because they still accrue interest while you aren't paying them. All you have to do is ask basically. Mine were on deferment after college while I looked for work, and that turned a $70k loan into more than $100K in just a few years. One of the worst mistakes I've made in my life.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is such bullshit. If that gets passed and you still can not discharge private (not federal) student loans in bankruptcy Iโm going to lose what little faith I have left in this country.
Chirp08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well clearly the solution is to commit millions of dollars in financial crimes to pay off your school loans.
Otherwise I'd imagine most students would just declare right after graduating, since not many have great credit to begin with.
Sparowl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, one of the reasons why bankruptcy doesn't clear it is because several graduates in specific industries that can do "cash in hand" business were doing exactly that. For instance, accountants and certain types of lawyers. Finish school, declare bankruptcy, work for just cash for a few years, profit.
potentially, although bankruptcy literally destroys your credit for a decade so you'd be hard pressed to find a job or be able to get a house, car, etc
To my knowledge, it used to. I believe people took advantage of it specifically to clear student debt.
Edit: I'm in canada. Probably makes a difference.
Sparowl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. Mainly people in industries that could do cash only transactions.
Lowca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:50:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except that student loans don't qualify for bankruptcy. It is technically possible if you pass "the Brunner test", but you have to prove that you are; (1) unable to maintain a standard of living, (2) that your situation is unlikely to change, and (3) that you have made good faith payments up until the point of filing. Even after proof, it is still left up to the court to decide. And they may not be so willing to discharge for prison time. Especially if you have been unable to make payments due to time served.
According to an American bankruptcy Law Journal Report published in 2012, only 1% of people filing for bankruptcy have included their student loans, and of that 1% only 40% were successful in having them discharged. So it is exceedingly difficult.
TIL. No wonder the US is so underwater.
In Canada its much easier:
"If you declare bankruptcy seven or more years after the date on which you ceased to be a full or part-time student, your student loan debts will be eligible for discharge, together with your other debts.
Eligible still doesnt mean they will get discharged but its still a way higher rate than 1%.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, it's crazy to think Americans have been hiding this huge personal debt problem, someone should have said something
Pretty sure you would go into default and the bank would seize the property.
rbiqane ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You lease out your house. Or have friends or family stay there and help.
Or you break your apartment lease by showing them your court order going to prison. At least they should cut you a break in cancelling if it's not voided.
Nobody goes directly from a cop car to a prison cell for 40 years without being able to sort their lives first
rbiqane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I basically am the monopoly man.
I invented paying rent, and board games. Dice were my big ticket winner though
Ast3ral ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'll give you my example, i went to jail for 6 months, when i got out i had , Probation fees for 2 years at 40.00 a month, mandatory court costs of 100 dollars a month for however long it takes to pay off( my total coming out was around 3500), and finally in my case for instance i also had mandatory hair follicle test that had to be done twice a month for 8 months, those cost anywhere form 125-200 per test, if you default on any of those they send you right back to jail and charge you even more money, this coupled with the fact that like me most people find it very very hard to find a proper job when they get out and with out the support of friends and family, most people end up right back in jail or prison because the only way they can make any money at all is to go back to doing the things that got them locked up in the first place.
That being said i found myself very lucky to have my family there to back me up and support me.
This horseshit happened to my kid brother right after he turned 18, and it was super frustrating to see them basically setting him up to fail. He had to keep a job, but the job would be pissed at how much work he missed to go see the PO or what have you, and then after a long day of work and busses all over town to get drug tests and shit, heโd have to fit in AA meetings that didnโt let out until the bus home stopped running, so heโd walk two hours and fall into bed at midnight just to do it again. (And thatโs after several months in jail without access to his depression and anxiety meds, because you have to pay to get those from the jail doc or you and your medical condition can just go spin).
Heโs not doing better, really, but heโs managed to stay out of jail and the only one he hurts is himself.
Sorry, I just never realized how fucked that whole system was, and itโs brutally unfair to dumb kids whose brains literally arenโt yet wired for them to recognize the long term effects of their impulses. Rawr.
Iโm glad your family was there for you. Good luck in the future.
Noble_Ox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to pay court costs and for probation in America? That's fucked.
if you default on any of those they send you right back to jail
So literally a debtor's prison?
ndpugs ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:18:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope you dont have student loans, or a car payment, or medical debt, or your lawyer fees, or court fines, or a lease on an apartment, or a storage unit, or child support, or insurance, or an Xbox live subscription you forgot to cancel, or well anything else
In this state, if you cancel your car insurance, you must return your license plates. If your car is untagged, it cannot be stored in view of the public (simplified explanation).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
non taged cant be in public view is odd... hows that work for say a field car or farm car. In NY if its not on the public roads its Mad Max rules. In laws operate a small farm and the Jeep they use... yeah some countries pollute less
Well, that is why I said simplified. There are so many rules and caveats. Most are city level, but plenty are county level. Farms generally get more leeway than land zoned residential. Public view on a farm isn't likely to be 10 feet off the public road either. These laws are mostly geared towards stopping people from keeping an untagged car in their driveway or on a public street where it rots away and reduces curb appeal.
Interest still accumulates on any unpaid student loans, might have to pay rent on a place so you don't have to worry about finding a place willing to rent to a newly released felon.
la-wolfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mortgage, gas, lights, car note, insurance, phone, internet. Basically every thing you pay for to keep living, gone.
Hokzwijn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:05:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying Monopoly jail isnt comparable to real jail? /s
Ever call a billing company and have them accept the charges for once?
camsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep, had my mother call the cell company to drop my line to the most basic one possible so I could afford the bills with what money I had while I was in, like basically it's just keeping the number, no texts and very limited calls(not that I was gonna be using it). luckily rent goes away when you move out and into a corrections facility. but yeah, little things can become a disaster without having someone to contact on the outside to handle things for you.
SalsaRice ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:45:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This comes up every so often at r/personalfinance . Someone gets out of jail after a few months, and their credit card bill/ rent/utilities etc went unpaid..... so now their homeless, most of their stuff is gone, and they have a huge credit card bill that keeps growing.
My neighbor actually just recently got arrested so she didn't pay her rent. Long story short the landlords came and parked a dumpster out front and literally just trashed all of her belongings. It's really sad. She has 3 kids and won't have anything when she gets out.
Aurora43 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:45:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In America? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:09:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yup - hope you have friends and family to help out. because, unlike nordic countries, you're not well off in prison.
Aurora43 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 17:15:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison in Western and Northern Europe seems more like rehabilitation than incarceration.
mag1xs ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:16:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because they in a lot of cases are, you are supposed to be a better person coming out of prison. Not more damaged than when you went in.
The American prison system is massively underfunded, corrupt and overcrowded. Not saying other systems around the world arenโt worse, but for a leading, global, economic power its a tragedy.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:16:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of that is because we lock people up for things which shouldn't be crimes.
In reality, private prisons don't change much whether they are for profit or non-profit. Financial statements and compensation of directors, board members, etc., become public when they file a 990, but is that really beneficial?
Funkit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it is the social constructs of the country. People here think anyone who breaks the law deserves to suffer, and a good chunk of people don't question the morality of the law that was broken. "It's their fault, they deserve it." That attitude needs to change before anything happens.
For profit prisons are awful but donโt blame them if you broke the law.
mikecsiy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that when states and municipalities contract with private prison companies there are almost always occupancy clauses in those contracts. Which means if "Private Prison X" isn't at least Y% full there is a HUGE fee each month. The clause is typically at least 85-90%, but clauses of 95+% are not unheard of. They do this because the state pays them per prisoner incarcerated.
On top of it all the private prisons themselves often end up being the ones presenting reports to parole boards and since they are incentivized to keep their prisons full they often create absurd systems of demerits and infractions where prisoners are essentially written up for whatever infractions the company decides to invent... which go on their reports for the parole boards.
The law isnโt an objective representation of morality. Just because our government can incarcerate someone for violation of a certain law doesnโt make it just.
You could argue that the law that you broke is unjust but that does not change the fact that breaking the law has potential consequences. If youโre willing to break it then be willing to suffer those consequences.
What youโre describing is called rational choice theory, and itโs not supported by most criminologists. Deterrence doesnโt work that way, especially when things like addiction or mental illness are part of the picture. Plus, just because there are to consequences in place doesnโt mean they need to be retributive the way corrections is in the US now.
Again, you're unnecessarily bringing up points that I never argued or mentioned. Unless for-profit prisons are randomly grabbing people off the streets to fill their cells, they are not to blame for people breaking the law.
What you're talking about is a separate argument altogether and I have no idea why you're even bringing it up. There is absolutely zero reason to. Arguing about the severity of a punishment is not at all the talking point here.
I was responding directly to what you said. You had said things in support of the idea that people deserve the punishment they receive because they broke the law. Iโm arguing against that, and the severity of punishment is absolutely relevant because thatโs the reality of mass incarceration in the US. For-profit prisons make money off of retributive punishment, which is a correctional model I donโt support for the reasons I mention above, among others.
Tell me where I said that because I donโt recall. I said there are consequences for breaking the law. If the law mandates that someone goes to prison for a given crime then expect to go to prison for committing that crime. That does not mean that I support the punishment or feel that it is just.
That's, like, the whole reason behind modern prison systems e why we in the Americas are so fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:07:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's really interesting is that most European prison systems are based on the early US prison system. Ours were some of the first that focussed on penance (penitentiaries were places for criminals to practice penance) and rehabilitation. Unfortunately, our system has people stay in the system their entire lives.
Here in Brazil, since colonial times, prison was never use as a place to recover problematic individuals. We kept the 18th century culture of that jail is the place for "storing the undesired and problematic members of society".
The difference is that, one day or another, their sentence will be over and, if you treated then like shit for years, they will get out worse than they got in.
It might not be in the US, but in the rest of the American continent situation isn't that better in most of the facilities.
_Oomph_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, compared to the rest of the Americas, prison in the US is almost a hotel. I remember a documentary about hardened criminals from Mexico, Brazil & Columbia. They all seemed to laugh at the idea of people "suffering" in a US penitentiary compared to the ones they were serving time in currently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like rehabilitation is desirable for most non-violent offenders. Maybe they didn't have the economic opportunities or proper upbringing or whatever that led them to make bad choices, but can still be good people. They need education, a real chance to make it in the world.
But what about people that will never be really rehabilitated? People like child molesters and rapists and murderers. Can they ever truly rehabilitated and released safely back into the public?
Aurora43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with what you're saying. Trying to help people who are clearly lost causes will only result in wasted time and money. Incarceration and/or capital punishment are sometimes necessary.
Oftentimes, they aren't though. People get jailed for more than a decade in America because of stuff like minor drug use and unarmed burglary (these instances have to be repeated multiple times to gather those sentences though). It sucks when someone who commits murder gets less time than someone smoking marijuana. The American prison system is pretty backwards and neither party is making any effort to change it. The Republicans created the system under Reagan and the Democrats strengthened it under Clinton.
237FIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be literally impossible. People do not have free will and they have no choice but to commit crimes. Itโs despicable that you think people could just โnot commit crime.โ
shhhhhh this is reddit, we should spend lots of money rehabilitating fuckheads that don't understand you can't commit immoral acts against other people despite the majority of the population getting it.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's better than wasting money on leaving them in a room for 20 hours a day. At least rehab some of them so they can stop wasting money.
I have a compromise for yall: train them with valuable skills, and then profit from their skills. when they are done, they can profit from their skills. I suppose that would probably lead to a trend of much longer sentences, though. I fucking hate humans.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the traditional conservative answer, and one that I agree with.
I will say, I didn't consider the possibility for increased increased sentences because legislators are getting kickbacks from the companies which own the prisons.
The My solution (for federal pens) is probably to have the funds generated by the prison go directly into the education budget for the local municipality. Then the municipality pays a negotiated stipend per prisoner per month with bonuses if the prison generates specific amounts of money per capita per month.
yeah, but how are you going to get a legislature to pass something that doesnt give them some kind of kickback? I know im just being cynical, but it does legitimately seem like there aren't enough honest people to pass something that doesn't benefit them directly just because they know how to leverage their position for money. as in, it's literally become their job.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you're right.
My hope was to sperate the money from those making the decision about sentencing.
Unfortunately that's probably a pipe dream
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was sort of my point, although I don't humans :/
Many prisons do this, but the problem with making money off their labor does lead to longer sentences, and it creates an incentive to arrest more people. Prisons being used as a means of making a profit inherently create a whole lot of human rights issues.
maybe redefining the skills taught could help. like computer science. teach programming. fat salaries would be attractive to the guys in there for crimes related to being poor.
you can't commit immoral acts against other people
Do you think all crimes encompass "committing immoral acts against other people" (e.g. smoking marijuana)? Also, do you believe that the government should be the ultimate decision-maker over what is "moral" and what is "immoral"?
I believe normal people have this thing called a conscience. Natural law:
"Do all that you have agreed to do and don't infringe on others or their property" is also a good source of right and wrong.
I am very anti-government and am satisfied without one btw.
Whatโs the point though if the prison is being run for the purpose of filling up more and in hopes that people who leave repeat offend?
And I donโt see the point in saying โShhhโ, no one downvoted them, just because others have a differing opinion doesnโt mean theyโre not letting you have one.
And actually, your comments are hidden once they get enough downvotes! There are about 10 people who downvoted and only a couple, such as yourself, actually tried to engage in a conversation.
(I don't give a shit about prison profits and I think prison is a fundamentally flawed system)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:46:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He also talks about how he would kill criminal with his guns in other comments he's made here. Just seems like a pathetic internet toughguy who needs to learn about empathy and perspective.
unless you have family that will both stand by you, and can actually afford to help you out, well, you're pretty much screwed there. gonna default on every single debt or payment you got.
kshucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah I guess if you have a mortgage you should get someone to pay that but then Iโm guessing you have a partner as well, maybe Iโm being presumptuous
Lots of single people buy houses. It's way more cost effective in a good portion of the Midwest. The exception being some premier cities, like Chicago. And Chicago.
rillip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I volunteer in a prison. Had an inmate who's wife decided she was done with him when he went to jail. She loaded up her stuff, put the keys to the house that was in his name on the counter, left the front door open and took off. When the bank foreclosed 6 months later it was trashed.
You give someone on the outside power of attorney. This trusted person handles your assets as best as he/she can. This person would have to decide what's in your financial best interest for you.
My case was different as I was still young but I was responsible for a credit card and a cell phone. Luckily I had opted for the credit protection plan not knowing what it was but the guy was convincing enough to make be get it. I had to call a friend collect who was able to then call the credit card company on 3way and I explained the issue. They gave me a 6 month hold on paying the bill but when I got out it was hard to keep up with the bill either way but still didn't have that big of a hit.
Cell phone was a bit trickier. Cingular days sucked. They gave me the hardest time about it. Eventually I got my friend to get an address so that I could write in and waste a stamp to prove I was actually in prison so that I could cut the service without a big hit.
I'm sure with utilities you could do the same. I know some leases like mine have clear language that you can't break the lease even by going to prison. Most owners would just do it but the ones who won't are fucking dicks and deserve to have a new tenant that has multiple cats with no litter boxes and shit and piss everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Power of attorney probably
cman811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine is currently locked up. He asked me to do things like cancel his car insurance, make his roommate change over the utilities into his name, turn off some automatic subscription renewals for games/services, things like that.
319Skew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail fucks you, more than just taking away your freedom.
Even if you get 6 months in jail for something, that's rent (now you have an eviction on your record, good luck getting another apartment), car note (your car's been repo'd, good luck getting another one anytime soon), electricity, gas, cable, credit cards, car insurance, student loans, Internet, cell phone, etc....that are all now deliquent and in collections.
Not only do you owe an ungodly amount of money to half a dozen different places, your credit is completely fucked.
You wouldn't have to start over your life from zero, you'd have to start over from negative.
Best friend gets pissed at uncle, tells police he's a drug dealer. Uncle is not a drug dealer, but when cops search his car they find a roach, a finished joint with marijuana crumbs in it. 6 months jail for possession. He loses his job, house, car, wife, best friend.. his credit is fucked, he can't get a new job or new house or new car.. he spirals, gets more involved with drugs and starts stealing a lot, he's homeless. He gives up one day and purposefully gets himself locked up just to get off the street, fed, warm.. 3 hots and a cot, etc. After 3 years in prison, he gets released and just does it again. 1 year prison, another 3.. he keeps doing this so he can stay in prison for shelter and food and one day he gets shot while trying to go back to prison.
6 months of jail essentially destroyed my uncle's life and got him killed. A good man, a good father, a good influence on the world before the jail time. Yes there are other contributing factors, but if you had to choose one it would be that.
so he goes to jail and his wife just leaves him? why would you marry someone that abandons you immediately at the first sign of trouble
all of his credit, house and car problems arguably could have been managed by his wife getting a job and shouldering some responsibility, or atleast the essentials
Yeah. That was what popped in my head immediately from the story. 6 months for some bullshit and she abandons ship and leaves him high and dry. I don't necessarily doubt the story, but there has to be more to it.
I'm not saying you're a liar, but how the fuck does someone get 6 months for possession of a roach? The first time I got arrested for pot I got 80 hours of community service with the court. The second time I got arrested for pot (less than a year after the first time) I got 180 hours of community service. And both those times I had way more than a roach. This wasn't recent either, this was 15+ years ago when marijuana wasn't as decriminalized as much as it is now.
If this story is true, then he would have had to have priors that would get him that kind of sentencing.
carlfense ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:30:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His uncle probably told him a story instead of the truth.
Because OP isn't telling the entire story. There are literally zero states in the US where you would do any sort of time for a roach and some crumbs unless you had a significant criminal record. It sounds more to me like he was violating his parole.
EDIT
Actually - thinking about it a bit more - this is probably what happened. Shitbag Uncle already had a DUI. Shitbag Uncle proceeded to smoke a joint while driving his car, and got pulled over. The officer smelled the freshly smoked Marijuana and found the roach that he was saving for later, because Shitbag Uncle is cheap and saves roaches. That seems like a much more plausible story for jail time, which is deserved. If you habitually drink / use drugs and operate a motor vehicle, shit if you even do it once, you can go fuck yourself.
So your argument is you should be able to blow cocaine because it heightens your awareness?
That is dumb. Drugs and alochol while driving do not mix. Don't do it.
Some people are more anal then others. Personally I wont even drink a non-alcoholic beer and drive (hence I don't ever actually drink non-alcoholic beer) but to each there own. It's too fucking simple in the 21st century to get a safe ride home to tolerate someone downing 3 beers and thinking they can drive - and - if you smoke a joint like Shitbag Uncle, and then get behind the wheel - you can go fuck yourself.
Have fun with that strawman, hope it was worth some of your credibility!
Here's an idea for next time. If you don't understand what someone is saying, ask them rather than making shit up and arguing against that.
NOTHING you said negates anything that I said, and at worst it makes people more likely to ignore warnings when previous warnings like yours are filled with black and white statements, poor reasoning, and misinformation. Similar to how bible thumpers drive people away from religion, misinformation drives people away from being careful when it's actually needed.
Except it is an absolute and it isn't bible thumping. If you take a substance that detracts from your ability to operate heavy machinery / a motor vehicle - or a substance under the influence of which it is illegal to operate a motor vehicle - then do everyone else a favor and don't act like a complete douchebag and drive a car.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're applying todays standards and resonable cops. You don't know when this happened or what the cops did.
It could also have been that he had prior possesion charges for weed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had your self confidence
Being able to just make something up with zero evidence and then believe it as a fact, because you just have to be right
Or because nobody does jail time for a roach, dumbass. If a cop is searching his car that means he was driving. If a cop is searching his car, that means the cop has probable cause to search his car.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If a cop is searching his car, that means that means the cop has probable cause to search his car
I really don't want to get into this argument right now
No, it's not. You want to believe we live in this fantasy where police just ignore the law and do whatever they want, but 99.9999% of the time they are following the law and are extremely trustworthy people.
To search a vehicle they either need probable cause or consent from the driver. The fact is 6 months is an amount of jail time that would be associated with a 2nd or 3rd OUI in most states.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you want to believe we live in this fantasy where police just ignore the law and do whatever they want, but 99.9999% of the time they are following the law and are extremely trustworthy people
Look as I said I don't really want to get into this debate right now, I'm just about to go to sleep.
Oh jeez you really aren't gonna like me saying this.
But being white and not poor realllllyy helps
Police prejudice against POC is unfortunately still very common in the united states (and other first world nations)
I'm not saying the US is some crazy police state, but there are some deep issues with the police force that are not being addressed.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:40:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana is not legal in the US, just some states and two cities. It's still federally illegal in the entire country and that could be enforced at any time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:51:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is Australia a shit hole you fucking seppy
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
House prices, ever increasing wait for public health care while at the same time increasing end user cost, the way we treat our elderly on government assistance, the way we treat our elderly in nursing homes (forcing a balloon upfront payment of over $100k and still taking 90% of any income they get), our NBN, federal/interstate roads & transport, Australia Post, importing foreign workers to work for a pittance compared to Aussies in unsafe work environments then treating them like shit, allowing for offshoring of jobs from Australian Government companies where contracts officially state that all roles are to be held in Australia, allowing foreign ownership (without a residence clause) in real estate so wealthy folks can hide their money here and jack up prices for everyone else, State and Federal government zoning restrictions to keep land prices high for usable land a reasonable distance from job centres or to make it unavailable for homes, state and federal lack of restrictions on building design and quality (because who wants the ability to have natural light and airflow in their bedroom, am I right?)
I mean I could go on, but while Australia isnโt as bad as some places, itโs not the fucking paradise people make it out to be.
Paradise compared to the majority of other countries. Also turn it up, health care here in Australia is pretty exceptional, maybe you can move to the US and see how you fare.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:17:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Health care in Australia is exceptional only in so much as we don't directly pay for most of it. If we are talking actual standard of care, standard of hospitals and general treatment, there are absolutely places that you get better.
As to the comparison to the US - having been through their health care system - It is amazing and to be honest shits all over the times I've been in hospital in Australia in terms of standard of care, facilities & responsiveness of staff ... if you've got the money to pay for it, or decent health insurance of course. (In fairness, that was a hospital in a wealthy area of California vs. one in a shitty area of Adelaide, do probably not a fair comparison)
Don't get me wrong, Australia's pretty great, but I've travelled enough to know that there are definitely better countries. We've got so much potential to really amazing but it seems like we're quietly sliding backwards in a lot of regards.
How is Singapore a shithole? It beats Australia in every category
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:14:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never said Singapore is a shit hole you retarded Trump supporting American. I asked you how my country is a shit hole and you literally answer with a question that has no relevancy to what I said...no wonder Americans are so dumb. Too busy getting shot in schools to actually learn anything
They do say envy is the greatest form of flattery. Actually I probably wonโt get shot later this week, based on basic statistics, not that youโre smart enough to comprehend them anyways.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:31 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah, but basic statistics didnt protect those fucking poor kids did it
Protip: look up the drug laws in Singapore. Now compare to your statement of what countries have harsh drug laws. Now realize you're a dumb fucking bogan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:49 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:24 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's really really not awesome. lol. what a joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Biased news channels must suck...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:41:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Australia isn't a shithole. The greens party is trying their hardest to make it one though..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all parties are the same slow shit that gets nothing done, the last thing done was kevin rudd making ciggies more expensive and plain packaging, that was really good. everything else since then has been autistic at best.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have to have a serious record to get 6 months for a misdemeanor worth of drugs, a roach and crumbs? H was either a habitual offender or there's more to the story. This did not happen like this. Sorry that he died, but the life of crime after the 'roach and crumbs' is telling. I think the 'contributing factors' you left out played a major part. People come on here and exaggerate and leave out important details, making it seem like, 'oh this small transgression ruined this good person's life', America is so horrible, meanwhile anyone else with that amount of drugs got bailed out, paid their fine, and moved on with their life.
Yeah, I know people in my town who have been busted with intent to distribute, meth possession, etc. and they have served less than two months for those convictions. I really doubt a simple roach got a "good" person six months in jail.
Where was he that he'd do 6 months for a (presumably) first offense possession of marijuana? My guess is that you're hearing an . . . edited version of actual events.
Your uncle was either lying to you or left a lot out. Bond on a roach of weed would be like a few hundred dollars. If he had a job and a house and a car he'd have easily been able to afford it. When he got to court he more than likely would have been given some form of probation.
Not to sound rude, but I can't say I feel sorry for someone who had already broken the law and just happened to get caught in a different (stupid) way.
you can't feel sorry at all for someone whose whole life seems to have spiralled completely out of control just because he smokes marijuana? wtf?!
[deleted] ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 22:52:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I'll give you the wife thing, I suppose. But do you know how long it takes for most people to own a home? This is why mortgages exist. Have you never heard of making payments on a car either? Yeah, fuck him for being friends with a guy who ended up dicking him over one day, right?
That completely explains how he lost his house, car, and best friend in 6 months.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:35:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you truly, utterly, completely, never broken ANY law? Not even on accident? Hell I once walked out of a store holding an item because I received an important call and I was like right there at the entrance, then immediately turned back around and was like 'OMG I need to pay for this!' Luckily no one cared at all because it was obvious I wasn't stealing - but technically for 10 seconds I stole!
It just seems unbelievable to think you've never even failed to wear a seat belt for just a minute, you've never ridden your bicycle on the sidewalk, you've never jaywalked or accidentally parked in the wrong spot or on the wrong side of the street. Honestly I'm confused. I feel like you probably have broken at least one law, even if you don't know it.
rallias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are different types of speeding. If I get caught going 10 over, I get a ticket and have to pay it off. It sucks, but whatever. My insurance might go up if I get a couple, and that's money out of my pocket. If I'm well off, then it makes sense to speed.
Whereas possession of marijuana, getting caught can get you jail time.
They're different crimes with different consequences, and it doesn't make sense to compare them.
Now, if being caught with marijuana was penalized with a $500 fine, then you might have a point, but it isn't.
The argument can be made that marijuana possession charges have penalties that are far too harsh for the crime itself. Which is it's own debate. But for right now, I don't feel bad for people who get arrested on drug charges, because they chose poorly the risk vs reward game.
OP's uncle chose to smoke knowing it was illegal, and when you make that decision you need to realize the worst that could happen to you as a result. Then, take the probability and add that to the discussion.
What makes you think all punishments perfectly fit each crime?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't think that; they're just being pedantic to make a point, which is, fair, or not, you knew the potential consequences, tough shit, I have no compassion for you.
The thing that they're conveniently ignoring is that the world is not black and white; every situation is different, and that risk analysis has more to it than simply whether or not something is legal, or not.
For example; if someone is an addict, and they choose to use marijuana rather than oxycontin for pain management, given the certainty of the consequences of drug addiction vs the probability of being caught with Marijuana, the choice to use Marijuana is arguably the correct choice.
I really love these internet tough guys like the one you responded to. They make these low effort comments banking on people who lack critical thinking skills to agree with them.
Thing is that without people willing to take the risk we wouldn't have medical marijuana, which - if it came down to it - I'm sure people like internettoughguy would gladly take advantage of if it suited their needs.
I never said that. I even addressed that in my comment if you'd chosen to read it.
The argument can be made that marijuana possession charges have penalties that are far too harsh for the crime itself. Which is it's own debate. But for right now, I don't feel bad for people who get arrested on drug charges, because they chose poorly the risk vs reward game.
As it stands, there are pretty harsh penalties for marijuana and just about everyone knows that possession is a criminal sentence, so I have absolutely no pity for those who knowingly smoke or use.
My point was more that the penalty for having a single joint is far more excessive than it should be. I understand what you are saying, but for fucks sake its legal in a bunch of places.
I'd hardly call jail time for $5 worth a fair judgement. Which is where my point of jail time for speeding comes into play.
I understand the whole "the law is the law" argument. Its a really shitty law, and in some states its not even the law anymore.
And I understand that, but what I'm saying and what /u/pcpower are saying is that the law is the law, and it's stupid to break the law and then complain about the consequences.
Excessive punishments for crimes are their own debate altogether.
BKachur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The argument can be made that marijuana possession charges have penalties that are far too harsh for the crime itself. Which is it's own debate.
That is exactly the discussion that is at issue. MJ is legalized in one form or another in half the country. Getting caught with a negligible amount of marijuana should be a civil citation not jail time. If he had quanties which he could sell that would be one thing, but he didn't'.
I understand that, but as it stands if you smoke in a state where it's illegal you're a fucking idiot and I'm not going to feel sorry for you if your stupid ass gets thrown in jail.
BKachur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have a very regressive view of illegal activities. Laws are made up by a bunch of guys in a big room, they aren't gospel and if the punishment doesn't fit the crime its just as, if not much more fucked up than breaking the law. Imagine if we threw people in jail for jaywalking, or bringing candy into a movie theatre, imagine if sharing a youtube link to a movie trailer that was unknowingly illegally uploaded got you jail time?
This sort of treatment should be outrageous to anyone with any sensibilities.
Imagine if we threw people in jail for jaywalking, or bringing candy into a movie theatre, imagine if sharing a youtube link to a movie trailer that was unknowingly illegally uploaded got you jail time?
Dude. You're missing the point. I'm not saying marijuana laws make sense or are just, I'm saying that if you knowingly break the law, I'm not going to feel bad for you if you reap the consequences. That goes for even if there was, say, a death penalty for putting movies on youtube.
Kbost92 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:34:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Using something thatโs legal in half the country and has well-known health benefits is different from robing a store. Also, the average person breaks 6 laws per day without realizing it. Iโm sure you do something illegal. Howโs the weather up there on that high horse, douche bag?
You're making OP's point for him... people generally don't get sent to prison for six months for minor shoplifting, either. There are degrees of punishment to fit different crimes. Six months for a joint is ludicrous.
Cool so slavery was all good at the time because it was legal. And slaves shouldnt of run away because it was against the law. Rational though may not be your strong suit.
ogipogo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:56:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only you. Self righteous prick.
Don't like invoking Godwins law but don't you hate that Jewish people didn't let Nazis genocide them like it's illegal to resist lmao don't be an asshole, the SS are just following orders no one likes a troublemaker
Some of those I understand, but... why wouldnโt you call and cancel the electric, gas, cable, internet, and car insurance as soon as you were sentenced? Or at the very least have your attorney do it?
Iโm not sure how it works in the US but you just donโt go to jail by accident nor itโs surprise for you, right. You have some time before you actually go there so I thought people can solve their shit in this period of time.
Hey now... something something boot straps! Also yes, 36 months post repo/major auto derog before eligibility unless you did one of the fuck you in the ass opportunity loans where if you carried the note with banging down the principle you would have made $16k in payments and owe roughly 18k on a 23k unit
gamer596 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's two: "Grand Opera Night {Opening} โ Collect $50 from every player for opening night seats" and "It is your birthday - Collect $10 from each player" Community Chest cards
There is a "You have been elected Chairman of the Board โ Pay each player $50" Chance card but that's paying people, not taking money
No, you still collect rent and pay out, you just don't move which makes jail the best space on the board, since you aren't rolling and theoretically people are landing on your properties.
In the endgame you mean, itโs not so great early on since you need to be buying stuff.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:55:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not moving makes buying stuff harder, but if you're playing per the rules, anytime someone lands on a space and doesn't buy it, it goes up for auction. So you can still be buying property whilst locked up.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See how the seat of the car is empty? They just impounded it until you can pay $50 to get it back out, so the only difference is that now you have to walk to the auction.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really you only need 6 properties to dominate, the orange properties and the yellow or red properties. Putting 4 houses on each limits the amount of other property improvements and prevents hotels since the rules require parallel improvements and there are only 32 houses which means once 24 houses are used, no 3 stripe of property can get a hotel. Ideally you want at least 2-3 railroads as well, but owning the properties at 6,8,9 from jail and then at least one monopoly on the turn past jail as well.
Unless you play with people who buy everything and anything they land on
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This rule never came into play for me. The auctions never happen because everyb will buy literally every property they land on. Nobody will ever trade, either. They'd rather not have a complete colour if it means nobody else gets to either. And that's why monopoly goes on forever, even when we're playing by the real rules.
Most people who bitch about monopoly taking too long or whatever other criticism they have can almost always be attributed to not playing by official rules.
The official rules were never designed to be fun. It was made as a capitalism simulator on a board. People play by house rules to make the game better because the game is not good. But they can only go so far with what they have to work with.
That's why Darrow stole it and sold it to Parker Brothers without changing the rules, only the name from The Landlord's Game to Monopoly, the game was popular
greenw40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You went and got all the monopoly fans butthurt. Game's trash. There are so many great board games out there that nobody tries because whenever they think of "board games" they think of Monopoly and remember all their horrible times playing it, cause it's trash.
People don't play by the official rules because following the official rules, landing in jail in the late game is the best thing that could possibly happen to you, which clealy shouldn't be the case. The game is just badly designed.
To be fair: Jail Freeze / The Free Parking Rule / Double Go are the most common house rules. So common that all three were up for discussion to be added to the official rule book (not as official rules)
What gets me is the amount of people who had no idea that the auction rule even existed until a recent tweet. I wouldn't even want to play without it. No strategy and games would last hours longer. I also didn't realize people played games without having the rulebook within reach in case of a disagreement.
I never used the auction rule in games that I've played with friends and family strictly because no one ever passed up on buying property they landed on. It wasn't until later on that I learned not everyone actually played that way.
That's exactly what I love about it. Planning ahead knowing I don't have to buy just buy any property you land on, but at the same time that someone else will most like end up with it. Or when someone blows too much money on a property in an auction and then lands on the property they actually wanted.
Without the auction rule it just seems like it takes well over an hour of play before anyone can even start building.
I think the other dynamic that it really adds to the game, that most people don't even consider, is that with auction - 90% of the properties that go to auction end up getting way over-paid for and evens out the money dynamic a little more.
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It also has some great strategy... I was playing with 2 other friends.
Friend #2 lands on a property he needs, but doesn't quite have the money without mortgaging. So he puts it up for auction
Friend #3 and myself also can't afford it, but fuck it, we're raising this bad boy up, and we each out bit Friend #2 until the property is nearly double the asking price. Friend #2 really needs this property to make a set, and ends up getting it at a highly inflated price and has to mortgage everything and sell some houses... It was pretty much over at that point for him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Auctions on Nintendo Monopoly are way more fun though.
My commodore 64 had monopoly that's where I learned the auction rule. Every property passed on has an auction. It's great when you play with all human co-operating people. Then you can pass on $300 and buy for $1.
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Auction rule is a must. Also never use the free parking lottery rule. That's basically turning the clock back 30 minutes on the game.
The game is based on eliminating players... I hate people who moan about the game taking so long, an then moan when you don't want the free parking house rule. That's WHY it takes so long.
If monopoly takes more than 2 hrs, you're doing it wrong.
Atsusaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife starts groaning the second I touch the rule book during a game. I read it before I play for the first time, and have a pretty good memory as long as itโs not novel length (looking at you, Arkham Horror), so I am usually right, and my wife and I have been no longer invited to game nights because I pulled out rulebooks, been right, the host has been playing wrong for years, and I win. It doesnโt make me popular. Anyway, point is that I have never not had to explain the auction rule to someone if I can convince them to play monopoly at all.
I don't like that version. It basically means jail is the best place to be. 3 rounds of you not worrying about landing on other people's property while still claiming rent.
G8kpr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:10:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's the truth, that's all.
Visit /r/boardgames to learn about the plethora of amazing games out on the market now. Monopoly is like saying "The three stooges isn't a good TV show"
"why would you say that, that's all I ever watch, is there something else to watch? I never change the channel"
Flux7777 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just get reminded of how terrible a board game monopoly is whenever people start discussing the rules. Firstly, most people don't know all the rules. They're too complex and often unintuitive. Secondly, even when people know the rules, most people change them to make the game more fun for them. The best version of the game I have played was called "boganology". I played it on holiday in Australia. It was hilarious and played much more smoothly than the original. All "properties" were cheap, and "rents" were double the cost of the properties. There were almost no cash injections. So the game ran fast and turned into a frantic rush where each dice roll from the start of the game mattered. In standard monopoly there are no game changing moments. It's always just a slow grind to the end which is why it tends to build so much tention between the people who play it.
For example, take a good boardgame. Let's use the often accepted gold standard for a board game in this genre: settlers of catan. There are opportunities for game changing trades, each person is trying to keep track of each other person's scores and cards while planning out their next turns etc etc. There is a lot happening the whole time, and although it seems complicated if you've never played it, no one changes the rules of catan to make it more fun. With monopoly you literally just sit and watch during everyone else's turn then roll the dice and make a yes/no decision based on the roll.
I just get reminded of how terrible a board game monopoly is whenever people start discussing the rules. Firstly, most people don't know all the rules. They're too complex and often unintuitive.
Not really the game's fault honestly. That's just a byproduct of people making incorrect assumptions and/or thinking house rules are the real rules.
The actual ruleset of Monopoly isn't that complicated. People tend to add complexity (e.g. making Free Space do more than literally nothing).
I freely admit that Settlers and other such games are leagues above, but I'd be hard-pressed to call Monopoly terrible.
Let's use the often accepted gold standard for a board game in this genre: settlers of catan. There are opportunities for game changing trades, each person is trying to keep track of each other person's scores and cards while planning out their next turns etc etc.
And Monopoly is a complicated game? I don't care what anyone has until I land on a property, and then all I need to do is look to see who, if anyone, I have to pay.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Peeps get mad that I buy up all houses and then they can't get hotels because they need to buy houses first.
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're too complex and often unintuitive.
Definitely not complex.
stas1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Vocitate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was playing on Monopoly I loved it! I always read the rules on the beginning of the game to make sure I was playing it right! When on jail you lose so much time and money on Monopoly. I was definitely not on Heaven :/
You donโt lose money in Jail. Why would you? You canโt land on someone elseโs property, and they can land on yours. Most you lose is $50. Sure getting a seven first turn and the go to jail chance card might hurt you, but later in the game? Jail is great.
Vocitate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you are used to playing it that way, doesn't mean it's an official rule. There are tons of house rules people abide by. Many of them make the game last a lot longer and a lot less fun. An example for an official rule that's often omitted is the one that states that if you land on a property and decide not to buy it, it goes up for auction and whoever bids highest acquires it.
So you're saying my Get Out Of Jail card is useless?!
Workdawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monopoly didn't lie... there is just nothing you can do to have to pay bills if you are in jail in monopoly. It's not like you can land on another property.
Later in the game it's GOOD to be in jail because then you have no chance of landing on another players property...
Some jails make you pay for the privilege of being locked up.
I was in jail in AZ and they charged a dollar day. Any money you had on you when arrested is taken and put on an account you can use to buy commissary, stamps, whatnot. They just take a dollar everyday as a kind of tax.
Which seems kinda shitty but really isn't that bad. Minor inconvenience. What is shitty is that you have to wait up to two weeks before being allowed to order commissary which includes stamps and stationary. And it is another week before it gets delivered to you unless you are released in which case they give you your order with your property. Any left over funds on your account they just cut you a check.
Then they let you go, right out the front door with your check, bag of candy, and stamps. You're just a brisk 6-mile walk through the desert to the nearest gas station and if you try to hitchhike you'll be right back in that jail.
Because hitchhiking is illegal in some places. It isn't technically illegal in the particular area I was talking about but that never stopped the cops from arresting me for it. Can be considered panhandling or solicitation if the police decide to get creative. (I once spent a night in jail for not having license, insurance, and registration and I was on foot when they initially stopped me.) Even if the judge drops it during the initial hearing you'd still be looking at a weekend in jail if you're arrested on a Friday in a small town.
That's fucked that cops have so much power. And if they arrest you on a bullshit charge, there are no consequences for them, I presume? And so no check on that power. Of course they'll abuse it. Most people would. Power corrupts.
I still can't wrap my head around how hitchhiking itself could be illegal. You're literally just asking people for a ride with sign language. Asking for help can be illegal? Absolutely baffling.
If you want to still have a place to live waiting for you when you get out, you still gotta pay rent or mortgage...... if you are going in long enough where you are ok with losing your home, you still gotta get someone on the outside to move all your stuff to storage, and then pay the monthly bill for the storage unit
What are "real ones" haha. You speak as if you know but you posed the question. My brother was in the state pen for 4 years. I'm sure there's money to be made behind bars if you have nothing else to lose/wish to risk lengthening your sentence, but I'd wager more often people are calling out asking for money than sending money home.
Kbost92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Real ones are providers who provide regardless. Sorry that is an unfamiliar situation in your life. Continue sending that money and carrying those 30 lb packages. Godspeed.
Weirdly this is what worries me most about the idea of going to jail - who's going to pay my bills? How much would my savings + retirement cover? What things can be turned off or disconnected to save money? I've actually spent a lot more time thinking about that than what it would actually be like to be in jail.
Oof, this one hurts my heart. Iโd be inconsolable if I knew my dog was at home waiting for me to come back, and I wasnโt coming back. :(
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:32:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is something I never really thought about before. Bills? Pfft. My wife will come visit me but what about my dog? :( She'll think I left her forever.
Got a bogus DUI and my dogs were at home. That overnight was the worst form of hell worrying about them.
IggySoda ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:59:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine got a DUI while driving with his 2-3 year old rottweiler.
The arresting police said they would send someone for the dog and car, but when my friend got out the next morning and caught a ride to his car... his dog was still inside.
The dog was thirsty and hungry but fine, health wise. However, it had literally ripped everything apart inside his car. I saw the aftermath, it was kinda hilarious. The dashboard, the seats, grips on the wheel, gear shifter thingy... everything had been ripped apart and shredded. And of course at least one pile of poop.
flapface ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:16:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's clear negligence on the part of those cops.
Hope your friend at least filed a claim with your local police for the damages to his car and animal neglect. (It might be a fight getting them to pay, but while the public might not bitch about someone going to jail, tell them a dog got abandoned in a car because those same cops got lazy, and he might have gotten some sympathy and positive press attention...)
I work for animal control, and I can tell you that the cops should have called your local animal control office to get your friend's rottie off that car. The dog would have been fed and taken care of for the night, his car would have been fine, and it would have saved everyone a lot of headaches.
People with dogs go to jail, and when that happens around here, it is the police's responsibility to put that dog in protective custody until the person in jail can authorize a caretaker, or they can claim the dog back themselves. While the dog is under protective custody, it will be kept safe, fed regularly and receive vet care if needed. There may or may not be a fee involved for getting the dog back, depending on local policies and regulations, but the peace of mind of knowing the dog is safely taken care of while the owner goes through a difficult time can give a little peace of mind to everyone.
IggySoda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't file a claim. I think he just wanted to be done with that low point in his life and move on.
I think that's also an understandable and sane reaction. Too bad he ended up suck with an unnecessary repair bill, but it's a good thing he wanted to move on from there. Hope your friend is in a better situation now.
[deleted] ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kbost92 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:38:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Way to generalize there, bud.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:34:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kbost92 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:36:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or youโre just dumb. I could make sweeping generalizations about you, too, if i knew anything about you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kbost92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can find examples of regular people getting away with almost anything. Pretty obvious nothing is gonna get through to you though. I can only hope one day you need the cops and they come to help. Just be sure to tell them theyโre all shitty, corrupt people. Maybe they wonโt burden you with their help then. Sometimes I wonder... Anyway, have a nice life bro ๐
Lol, cops aren't there to help. They are there to ticket and arrest (enforce the law). That is their only job. Ask a cop to help you change your tire if one blows on you on the highway sometime. Guarantee he won't. He might find something to write you a ticket for though.
Kbost92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was almost a full day (nothing really), but the entire time my only concern was getting home to my dog. I started wondering if he'd know to just start drinking toilet water, eat through the dog food bag and just relieve himself where he needed to.
Got released after about 20 hours, went home and saw that the boy hadn't even peed anywhere... took him out immediately for the longest piss I've ever seen him take.
He's my best friend :)
Bed-Stuy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:25:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cat was with me when I got arrested and she got to go to cat jail whilst I went to people jail. Sucked pretty bad as not only was I in jail but was having to pay an boatload of money for "emergency" boarding fees.
cait_Cat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:20:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent 5 days in jail and was worried about my cats and weirdly my plants the entire time. I thought about 2 things while I was in jail-how fucking stupid I was and if my plants and cats were ok. I made my dad drive an hour every day to go check on the cats and I would call him while he was there if the phones were on to hear meows and purrs.
Oh! That would kill me! I mean, I have a cat so she would probably think it was a treat to be left alone for a few days. But it probably would be the first thing to take care of...
Oh my god I can never go to jail I mean my parents would take care of my dog and she would be okay but she gets so sad just when I go to school if I went to jail she'd be heartbroken and who would take care of my rats??? My mom is scared of them so she might feed them and change there water, maybe clean the cage if she's feeling nice but she'd never let them out theyre supposed to be out for an hour every day theyd miss me who would give Luna head rubs and let her lick their finger and who would stop buttercup from climbing ridiculous things and who would give them tiny bits of peanut butter because to much hurts their stomachs??????
.....sorry I just really love my pets
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will the police not go and grab the dog to put it in a Kennel or something? It seems like it should be their responsibility.
26326312 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they would do, I think what they meant was that their dog will be waiting for them thinking it's just like any other time and they are coming back.
There's a lot of things the police are supposed to do because it's their responsibility. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to take care of dogs owned by criminals (of course you're a criminal, they wouldn't have arrested you if you weren't guilty, right?). If you get a phone call, arrange for someone actually trustworthy to see to your car and dog.
I went to jail for six months. I had a 13 year old dog, with a tiny fatty tumor on her back. Didn't have money to fix her. My ex kept her for me and when I got out, the tumor was the size of a baseball and she was scrawny. I had to put my best friend down a month after jail
Kbost92 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:40:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt sign up for this feel trip. Iโm sorry about your doggo bro.
Those are very practical and responsible things to think of. I was a jail officer for 6 years. Most inmates I saw had no idea how to manage those things.
How do you manage those things? Even if you have a savings account with enough money to pay your bills (I'm guessing most people in jail don't), how do you go about making those payments while you're in jail?
You don't. You are fully reliant on outside friends or family to handle those things for you. I was always patient at the booking desk as long as someone was cooperative I would let them make a few calls and get financial or custody issues squared away. Most inmates though either didn't care about those things or didn't have any of those responsibilities since they were addicts living off of others.
Halvus_I ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can hire people too. (Lawyers, Accountants, personal assistants, etc). You can run a (legal) business from jail.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if i was going away for 6 months and had no one on the outside, i'd rather pay $10,000 in lawyer fees than have my credit ruined and all my shit repo'd.
It's not ideal. A trusted family member or friend should help you. I was just throwing out a last resort sort of thing. Better to blow a 1000 dollars on the lawyer then lose your apartment or keep paying for it if you're locked up for awhile.
Meetchel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs definitely not a given, especially if youโve ravaged their lives with addiction (as is the case with many inmates).
Here's a thing: when my husband was in jail, he had the money in his bank account to cover bills, but my name wasn't on the account and his debit card was secured in his wallet with his personal property and could not be released. If I hadn't been able to pay, we'd have lost our home and cats. Auto-correct, but we'd have probably lost the cats and the cars. Even if he'd have access to his debit card, he couldn't call someone who didn't first pay into an account to receive a phone call.
That's so messed up. Then when you get out, your credit is fucked, you're homeless and it's really hard to find anyone who will hire you. No wonder people end up back in jail.
The payment part is easy - just set everything to autopay now and it's not an issue (of course, you should periodically check your bank account/statements to make sure everything is being properly paid for). The harder part is most people don't have months of savings built up, let alone years, and keeping that account sufficiently funded is going to be a bigger issue.
If someone does have assets like a house and car, whatever sent that person to prison has a good chance of also allowing law enforcement to sieze and liquidate those assets(pretty much all drug and financial related crimes), so it's not something they're going to worry about anyway, the paying of mortgages and bills that is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that really depends on where you are. obviously america as a whole is worse than most other developed countries, but it varies a lot state by state.
absolute fucking lunacy and corruption though. i thought the court of law was supposed to dish out punishment.. often they take your shit without you even being charged.
Thinking about it shows you are responsible person, that means you are less likely not getting to jail at all. Most inmates are not that responsible and these questions are not what they are worrying about.
Hhhmmm I see an opportunity to create Jail Insurance.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're in jail or prison, you can't collect social security until you get out. And it doesn't stack up, you just start collecting if you're eligible. They used to pay SS benefits, but guys were getting out and going home to nice nest eggs. Uncle Sam didn't like that so they eliminated that. You also can't get ACA health care if you've had an arrest involving drugs, or been in prison.
I'd never thought of any of this. I'd be so fucked. Like, you better believe AT&T doesn't give a shit if my ass is sitting in a jail cell.
Nick357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sat in a court room for a couple days as punishment. It was just a rotation of people coming in, telling the judge if they are sent away they will lose everything, repeat ad nauseam.
"Just stop the rent?" And what happens to your stuff? Who moves it? Where does it go? What happens to your lease agreement? How much is the penalty, and will you ever be able to rent again with that on your record?
My biggest concern would be mortgage. If I don't pay that I'm getting foreclosed, which means: my stuff getting trashed, destroying my credit, and leaving me homeless when I get out.
And you can't just shut off utilities. For one, the pipes will freeze and destroy your home. Second, there are legal and tax implications when the house is no longer occupied, which is often determined by whether there are active utilities.
Finally there's debt. You can't just stop paying student loans, car payments, credit card payments...
In short, there's a lot. I'm looking at at least 2 grand a month that I can't just "stop paying" without making things waaaay worse.
I guess if you're going away for life, you can stop caring. But your life can go seriously to shit in 6 months, going from "Yay! I'm out!" To "Holy shit, I have nothing" real quick.
Honestly most of my rent experience has been fixed term or cash in hand. Which are delightfully simple.
Isn't this most of the reason for having a lawyer? Part of their job to arrange for stuff to be moved to storage / stop payments.
And student loans where you are arn't tied to earnings? Damn. If you can't pay here, you don't it just builds interest. So not ideal, but its not going to have a very big impact given the average repayment time...
There was a r/personalfinance post a few weeks ago dealing with this. The guy got locked up without bail for seven months before getting out. Said his credit rating and other things were absolutely screwed. Family couldn't help as he couldn't sort out power of attorney. Never even thought about this as an issue before
The bills part is why.i believe some people kill themselves while in jail for traffic tickets. You lose your job,your house/apartment,car. Basically you lose everything and you already didn't have much. There was a local young girl who killed herself in jail awaiting a judge on traffic warrants. I couldn't comprehend why until I thought logically yeah she was losing everything she had in this world. She just couldn't deal with it unfortunately.
Clankkk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alot of people can't handle the thought of completely restarting, only this time with a charge that will show up on any background check, a loss of your house, car, kids, wife/husband, etc. In a place where all you have is time, your thoughts can get the best of you.
cujojack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:17:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aryan Nation is making eyes and my Xbox live subscription is going to lapse.
sjsto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've run into this a ton with people trying to get car insurance once they're out. Their credit usually sucks because their bills went unpaid for so long, they get surcharged for not having current insurance, and typically they live with relatives or friends, which in our state means they have to include everyone living there as drivers on their policy... Another rate bump. God forbid they were in prison for anything drug related in or near a car, cause that's another ding if it's on your record. And were already the most expensive state as it is, so you're screwed into having rates nearing $1,000 a month. And that's just 1 small facet of bills after prison!
When I worked as a nurse. I thought that the main focus of patients was to get better. Sadly no. On top of not feeling good, they worry about the bills at home pilling up, especially if they were the bread winner. They worry about their wives and kids. One patient I had was having a really rough time with the sickness. He had a lot going on ๐ but his main focus was that he needed someone to get his blue check book because bills were due. Also another one was just concerned about his family making ends meet. A lot of them would start go fund me that would gather NO attention whatsoever. I would always think that this is a genuine real cause, someone is in dire need but a lot of people wouldnโt know it because you donโt know who to trust these days.
That's honestly heartbreaking. I'm not sure if I could deal with seeing such sadness and frustration every day from who I assume are good people just going through a rough point in life.
I know. One guy lost everything while in the hospital. I heard he lost his trailer. For a long time no one came to see him. Then one day, two people came to see him. Not family but they worked at a Walmart where he frequented. The lady was a greeter and said that the patient was always saying hello and they just exchanged pleasantries. They said he went there everyday. Till he got really really sick and was admitted to our hospital which was 90mins away. I donโt know how they eventually found out but he had no family. I just felt sad he lost his trailer and truck due to non payment. ๐
Mapumbu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bitcoin will be worth a million when i get out
yumcake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to personal possessions when they foreclose on the home? Is all that personal stuff just going to public auction too?
I assume the pets are going to the pound to hopefully get adopted (though I'm sure a bunch get put down).
Am I the only one not understanding what bills would need to be paid? Shut off your phone, internet, etc. Cancel trash pick up. Set the thermostat to a temperature that would keep pipes from freezing. Wouldnโt bills be minimal?
I guess this changes if you would have a family or something still living in your house...
Edit: oh yeah. The mortgage. Lol. I guess I donโt associate that with โbills.โ
Well, you probably either have a mortgage or a lease that you can't just break, so that's already a HUGE expense. If you're paying on a car, there's another. Even just paying your rent for one month without any income is out of most peoples' reach.
Clankkk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You cant do any of this from jail. You usually do not plan to go to jail. Also, its not usually thought of until youre sitting in jail with nothing but time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, it's best just NOT to go to jail, if that can be helped.
I've always wondered how you pay your bills in jail. Someone do it for you? They get frozen? Always been curious. Like bruh I need to cancel my spotify premium
Casrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to your bank account while youโre in jail? Does it automatically close? How does that work?
Lyktan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean with โwhoโs sizing me upโ? Do you mean like โis that guy looking at me and wants to fight meโ or โwho wanna fightโ?
A distant family friend that just got out of prison after ~15 years is having to deal with debt collectors for his student debt he incurred before going in. T_T
Fawx93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People here in Finland shouldn't criticize the justice system for not being "harsh enough". After reading trough the entire thread It must be said how happy I am of the fact that being sent to prison is very unlikely. Most of the sentences are either regular fines or paroles afaik.
I've never been in a prison but I'm sure that inmates here receive help paying their bills while inside. Prisons are meant to rehabilitate people back into society, not disable them.
steam29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing says these guys got my back like having to worry about whose going to beat me up
Edit: thought I was still reading about basic training lol
There is no way out and I took my freedom for granted
z0rb0r ยท 2747 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had the same thought when I was busted for driving with suspended license. I was only hand cuffed to the bench and never actually got put behind bars. But I just realized that I had lost my freedom and I took it tremendously for granted.
EDIT: License was suspended due to insurance lapse. I was just irresponsible not doing anything malicious. I had to hire an attorney to drop other charges and my insurance DOUBLED and ended up paying about 500'ish/mo because I had 2 cars and NYC prices suck.
[deleted] ยท 1401 points ยท Posted at 16:41:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rumor was that you could use it if you made the gang leader laugh at a funny joke or pun. I told him my all time favorite top 10 puns to try to get a laugh, but unfortunately no pun in ten did.
It was odd, a dude who looked like a biker told me about the shitter situation, he was white, I stayed near him and other โoh shit I fucked upโ younger people, some dudes where like hanging out as if it were another day at the office... jail is weird. I can only image what prison and cultural dynamics are like..
Watch the Locked Up show on Netflix (I think it also airs on MSNBC). Apparently latinos often split into northern / southern Mexico affiliations, and maybe into more. Seemed like whites were by default skinheads, which is sad.
Apparently they also make a pretty strong distinction between inmates who want to play the stupid racial gang game, and others who can be in a much more relaxed general population.
Obviously this all depends on the prison, but I would imagine that the gangs structure is fairly consistent across the country.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My knowledge is entirely based off of that TV show, but it seemed like opting out of the whole gang aspect of prison is possible. The other inmates will generally respect your neutrality.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Race is big in jail, the Latinos likely outnumber the others thus they can claim a toilet.
unkemp7 ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 17:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup my DUI was at 21 but also included a hit and run and possession. Being stripped down and spreading your ass cheek's because suddenly your put in the felon's section of the jail is a bit of a eye opener, I went through hell (100% deserved everything I was given) but came out clean and no felonies on my record because of the pre-trial intervention program. Just that first night in jail, I didn't call anyone I was so embarrassed and ashamed of what I did.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They made me, you spread and cough in front of a nurse. They also take your belt and shoe laces
kd1rty ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 19:52:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they take the pull cord on your zipup or sweatshirts. I woke up to cops in my bedroom once because my mom let them in when I owed money for a fine. They brought me in in my pajamas and wouldn't let me put socks on. at jail they took the pull tie from my pajama pants and when I was handcuffed in front of the judge at court the next day my pants fell down and the guard had to pull them up for me in front of everyone. The judge laughed and said I looked like I was having a bad day. yeah, no shit.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:09:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You went to jail for a fine? Was there anything else or just an unpaid fine?
edit I've heard before that some areas do jail people for unpaid fines, which I find incredibly counter-productive. Just want to get the full story.
Bench warrants get issued for fines in some places. I went to jail because I did not pay the out tail light fine on my friends car, that I was driving with him as a passenger.
kd1rty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:50:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like the other kid said. I got issued a bench warrant on the day the money was due and the cops stopped by my house a few days later and my trusting mother just let them in to rush my bedroom at 7am on a Sunday of a long weekend. I had the money, so I figured I could just give it to the bondsman plus $50 to clear my warrant but they wouldn't do it and I had to sit there all weekend just to be in front of the judge for like 2 seconds since he just took the money.
Also, my license automatically got suspended, my insurance cancelled, and my plates revoked immediately. Once I got out of jail I almost went right back because I was driving on a suspended license. Instead my car got towed and the cop sent a summons in the mail. I went to the rmv and had to shit out a fuck load more money to make everything active again. Plus paying to get my car out and also even the fee for a new license since the cop destroyed it when I got pulled over. It was so freaking expensive all said and done. I didnt know some states wouldn't arrest you the day your fines are due if you haven't paid since it was so immediately such a huge deal. Massachusetts doesn't fuck around, just pay that shit. I should point out that my fine had nothing to do with a moving violation so it's not like I was going to lose my license or anything like that.
Everyone who gets a warrant has their license suspended even if the fine or crime had nothing to do with a vehicle. In fact, I know someone who never even got their permit nevermind their license and when they defaulted on a drug charge they got a suspended license so IF they ever want to get their license in the future they'll have to pay like $700 reinstatement fee for something they never had, and his crime also did not happen in or around a vehicle. Justice system keeps people down.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds terrible, sorry you had to go through that, but thank you for posting.
It's eye opening how truly backwards some states are when it comes to this sort of thing.
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:21 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmaooo where in mass?
kd1rty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worcester
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:02 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd think Worcester police would be much cooler
madtv_fan ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:23:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
phailanx ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:36:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Drunk tank they'll take your hoodie, belt, shoes and leave you with a stainless steel bench to "sleep it off". They're somewhat obliged to give you food (always a meat pie or sausage roll. Microwaved and soggy). If you want to be a smartarse and say you're vegetarian, they'll give you a whole raw potato.
Like I realize that the belt thing is to prevent hangings (right?) but honestly everyone should have an easily accessible method of dying whenever they want. The fact that it is illegal for someone who hates living so much they view death as a better alternative to seek medical help for a painless death is such a depressing thing. We are brought into the world without our consent, why should we have to ask consent from anyone before we take ourselves out of it?
Suicide is generally irrational when spur of the moment. Sure it's the person's body, but it should be provented in situations where the risk is a lot higher. I would hope they would be offered help instead of given a means to end their life.
Now for issues such as assisted suicide, for medical reasons, if it's completely consentual, approved by a medial professional, and thoroughly planned out, I think thats fine.
unkemp7 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:32:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup and I was in a room with about 8 or so other soon to be or already felon's also getting naked and ready for their turn to spread and cough. It was surreal
When you're going through intake they make you strip down to nothing, open your mouth and they look down there with a flashlight and a tongue depressor, if you have breasts or fat flaps they make you lift them up and search beneath each of them. Then you turn around, bend over, spread your cheeks with your legs apart, and cough, if you have a vagina they'll check up there for contraband as well. Then you get to take a shower before getting your jumpsuit and sitting through a suicide prevention video with all the other new intakes and a couple deputies.
Rpizza ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Calithin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One time for those pre-trial intervention programs. Life savers
unkemp7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:23:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yea, it was hell and they have you jump through so many hoops, I had a full time job and had to get up at like 3am every day to go in and get my program done and back to work by 8 or 9am. Plus I had to call a number every day to see if I had to piss, all while having no license and paying crazy amounts for the program for 18 months, then I had to get a breathalyzer put in my car once I was done with everything. Complete hell but I deserved every bit of it for what I did. Half way though the program they said I failed a drug test for barbiturates... 10 times in a row and every time they sent it off to the big lab it was negative but they kept trying to get me to admit I was doing something when I wasn't. I wasn't fucking around once I got into the program because it was the difference of having a life and not having one (with felonies on my record).
intaake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, what exactly did you do? What happened?
unkemp7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:56:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got drunk at my apartment, got bored ate some Xanax then wanted to go find something to do. Got in my car and just started to drive around (with more beer and pills in the car). From this point, I do not remember anything until I "woke up" as I was slamming into the center divider on the interstate in Tampa. I had come up on a construction area and I guess everyone slowed down but me, I think I had passed out I'm not really sure. But I plowed into a back of a truck that had a man and woman in it, they went head first into the divider and I spun my ass end of the car into it and shoved my passenger side rear tire up into the trunk of my car, ripped my back bumper off. So I realized I was in an accident, cars where everywhere (there were more on the road around us that stopped). I started my car back up and started to drag my car down the interstate till I got to an exit, my brakes were out so when I came off the interstate I was fishtailing and basically did a few spins in the middle of the intersection of the exit ramp trying to get home (I was really far away) and I ended up stopping in the wrong direction then kept dragging my car, awhile later a cop finds me and lights me up, I pulled over. Beer was all over me and the inside of my car then he, in great cop fashion walks up to my busted ass car and asks me "Do you know why I pulled you over tonight?" then let me know I had no bumper because I left it and my license plate that was attached to it on the interstate, at the scene. He had me get out of the car to do a field sobriety test which I could barely even walk to his car. I just leveled with him and asked if we skip the roadside show and I will blow at the station cause we both know I was too drunk to pass any test. Then they searched my car, found a Xanax in my driver's seat. So I had DUI, hit and run with bodily injury and possession of a controlled substance. I am so lucky I didn't kill anyone or severely hurt anyone, The woman in the truck went to the hospital but nobody was seriously injured (she hit her head on the window and was dizzy so they took her in to make sure. If I remember correctly.) From that point, I went to jail spread my cheeks and realized how fucking dumb and lucky at the same time I was. I was in a really bad point in my life at 21, had tons of internal issues I had never worked on and kept hidden with the drugs and alcohol till it all boiled over into one scene that involved people I had never met and would never meet again in my life, and forced them to deal with my issues. Sorry for the wall of text I'm not the best at long posts on Reddit.
Edriss90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing, everyone should learn from this lesson.
unkemp7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No problem, it happened many years ago now, but its good for me to retell the story as it reminds me of where I have been and how close I came to ending my life literally and figuratively. Possibly doing the same to others that were just out on a Friday night, maybe heading to a movie, or coming home from a dinner to pick up their kids from the babysitter. I still think about the man and woman, wonder how they are. I could have killed either of them or both of them. All because I couldn't talk to somebody and would rather drink and drug. So yea if anyone feels they have things inside them they cant tell anyone, don't let it eat you up. Talk about it, even if it's not to a doctor, psychiatrist or therapist. Just getting it out can help tons.
Knew a guy who had a shy bladder. Every time we were at a bar/club and there were people in the restroom he would have to turn on a sink and let his hands get wet before he could go.
Have a court date for agervated dui at 19 right now.
Honestly im not scared of a small sentence. just my anxiety is saying theyโll put me in for 30 years although I have no reason to believe it will anything but only at most a short sentence.
It's pretty much the same as aggravated the difference being they add agervated when you take the arresting officers mom out to a nice seafood dinner and then never call her again.
Nah I'm from CT, was wasted, trying to get home late night by avoiding tolls out of Manhattan, I tried to go over the Macombs Dam Bridge (b/c I know the area being a Yankee fan) and took a wrong turn.
It's cool, I'll admit I stop at Hunts Point White Castle any time I visit my sister in Queens.
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bronx Supreme in the house
LoPriore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been there in central bookings. I took a shit tho. Didn't care. There was one guy passed out under the benches that line the bullpen and there were roaches crawling all over him. THAT guy REALLY didn't give a shit. Besides being gross the worst thing I experienced was 3rd day some guy was going thru heroine withdrawals and moaning non stop.
I was caught driving on a suspended back in August. Long story short, I got in a fender bender last year at this time and didnโt have insurance - literally the only time in my life I didnโt have insurance; switching insurance companies and fucked up my dates. Anyways, completely my fault and I ate the consequences with no complaints. Part of it was having SR-22 insurance for 3 years.
So I swapped my insurance out and get SR-22 insurance. At least I thought I did. Insurance company doesnโt report this to the state and my license is suspended. I live in a state that does not notify you if shit like this happens. You are expected to be on top of these things.
So Iโm took my family to Chicago for a Cubs game in August and on the way home we got off the interstate for some drive thru action and I donโt use a turn signal at one point and was immediately pulled over. Imagine my shock to learn that my license is suspended.
Iโm ticketed for no turn signal and driving on a suspended and informed my girlfriend needs to drive. It was explained to me that if this was the result of a suspended license that was the result of a DUI, I would be cuffed and taken to county without hesitation.
I went back there for court last week and went armed. I showed the judge and state all the payments Iโd made to my insurance carrier at the time, which showed that I was paid up until November. I also showed them printed out pictures of screen shots I had regarding a conversation I had online with an agent of said insurance company where they half admitted that I may have had SR-22 insurance and they didnโt report it.
Judge said he was ready to dismiss both charges and asked the state if they had any argument against. The lady with the state conceded that this seemed like a large misunderstanding and that it appeared I did everything I reasonably could to be within compliance.
Charges dismissed, probably saved me about a grand.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think so. I was nailed for suspended license and registration too. All I did was make a left in an empty parking lot. This happened because I had a lapse in my insurance.
I ended up paying an attorney about 2k to drop the charges and had my insurance doubled for 2 cars for several years. It probably costed me $8k in total.
Happened to me too. I was pulled over and didn't know my license was suspended. I got a ticket a year or so prior for not wearing a seat belt in the passenger seat in the front. I honestly forgot about the ticket. Got pulled over for going thru a yellow/ red and was told I had a warrant. Got handcuffed, went thru intake and put in a cell while I waited for my daughter to get off work to come bail me out. I was the only person in that small city jail. My daughter loves the story about how she got to get her mom out of jail.
Edit this was in Michigan and no priors
Zmodem ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:55:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you knowinlgy drive with it suspended, it's even worse. So, when the officer asks "Were you aware that your license is suspended?" and you say "Yea, but...", well you just admitted, so you knowingly drove on a suspended. That takes an infraction to a misdemeanor, at least here in California, pretty quickly.
Depends on the state. In my state you get three times being stopped with a suspended license "free" (just a ticket) before you get the ride downtown.
Jennilea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me for a suspension for an unpaid traffic ticket. I got pulled for speeding, they handcuffed me and took me to the town court at 3am. Lucky for me the judge was more pissed at the trooper for getting him out of bed in the middle of the night, so I was ROR instead of going to the jail.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clean record other than a speeding ticket in the past though the registration of my vehicle was suspended at the time due to the same reason. Lapse in insurance. This is New York state by the way.
hey, Iโve had my license suspended a few times. first off, obviously youโre not supposed to drive without a license. but what if youโve got a job, or live in the middle of nowhere? we do what we have to do. but if your license is suspended because of an unpaid ticket, or you didnโt show up for court, then you may have a warrant out for your arrest. a cop wonโt know that just by driving by, but if you ever get pulled over, itโs almost a guarantee youโll be arrested. honestly, Iโve been arrested over this sort of thing 2 times, and itโs safer to just not drive for a while, and just pay your ticket(s) off. good luck!
z0rb0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I worked overnight cleaning restaurants and made a left turn inside an empty parking lot because it was a large detour. Cop saw it and decided to pull me over.
My license was suspended from a lapse in insurance(money was tight) and my registration also was suspended for the same reason. I drove for a living so it was hard to not drive and not make a living.
My advice to you if your license is suspended is don't drive unless you absolutely have to and if you do. Make sure you drive like it's your road test. Absolutely no speeding, always signal and never go above the speed limit. Basically drive like a saint because a lot of times the police will pull you over and you get nailed from previous charges.
Modmypad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love seeing epiphanies like this, makes me feel good people are more careful with their decisions
z0rb0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely, if anything it made me more responsible with my car insurance payments! It was suspended for the lapse in car insurance.
Klashus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They sent you to jail for that? That's crazy. I got 4 and they didn't even tow my car. Guess it's pretty different state to state.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is New York btw.
My registration was also suspended so they also impounded my work vehicle and left me and my crew stranded that night.
Zombie46 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I once went to an escape room where my group started in a prison cell and they asked us who's the smartest and everyone pointed to me (humblebrag, I know, not the point of the story sorry) and then they said they'd handcuff me to a bar where I can't get away unless they find the key while the other 4 could get out of the bar with some trick. I first said yeah sure, no problem but as soon as I was handcuffed (and they were proper cuffs, not toy ones) to the bar my heart started racing. I knew I could always call for help and be released but just that feeling of not being able to move away, jesus fuck that was scary. Of course I had to play it cool but I was pushing the other so hard to please find the key fast :D
z0rb0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YES exactly. Now imagine being cuffed in a police station. I'd say it took less than 10 seconds before the thought of dread quickly fills your head.
ejramos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got arrested for evading police when I was 19. Iโve never done a drug in my life. Had never been drunk or partied. I worked and went straight home everyday.
I was so pissed that I was in jail for the night that the next day I went and talked to a recruiter. Shipped out as soon as the charges were resolved and Iโve been in for almost 10 years. Completely changed my life that night.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? After that feeling of losing your freedom I was a changed man after that day.
ejramos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt even think it was losing my freedom. It was that I was grouped in with petty criminals and people who I never would associate myself with. I sat in a cell with like 30 people for the night. I couldnโt relate to a single one of them.
Dealing with suspended license charge right now.. howโd you make your way back into good standing with the DMV?
jerizer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
not OP but, you will need to pay the ticket that you ignored that got your license suspended, then have that district court fax proof of this to the DMV you are trying to get reinstated at.
If you didn't get a susp. license for ignoring a ticket, then I don't know.
You need to pay the original fine you ignored, which is likely a larger fine than what is was originally. The court will relay this information to the DMV. You may then pay a fee to have your license reinstated and then you may need to retake a written drivers test.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hired an attorney and she got some deal with the DA and dropped the charges down to "driving on sidewalk". Paid some fines and never saw any time. But spent a fuckton on car insurance since they doubled my insurance. Ended up paying about 500/mo due to 2 vehicles for several years.
My driving record also became flawless after that incident and my insurance rates became normal again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was definitely an eye opening experience as I feel like I've grown wiser. I would say it made me make better choices in the future.
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had the same experience of the paddywagon and handcuffs for a fake ID, but I just thought of it as a cool story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember getting arrested and being put in a cell for an hour for smoking a joint in the street. That shit sucked and I never want to experience that again.
pen15es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I just had the same happen to me but was never handcuffed. I was technically done with my suspension but I didn't realize I had to meet with some government agency about my driving before I was reinstated. So now my truck is in impound for 30 days which will cost me $1300 on top of the fact that I'm looking for a job in an oil town that almost always requires a valid licence. How did you deal with all the shit they throw at you? I feel like I'm pretty much fucked simply because I didn't read the bottom part of the suspension letter.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel ya. I was busted because well 90% of the job was driving and I can't not work... I only got my license suspended because money was tight and I had an insurance lapse. I was also irresponsible at the time.
I got pulled over for running a stop sign and was handcuffed for it. Funnily enough I was driving right past a police station, but it was late and I was trying not to take excessively long to get to the dick that was waiting for me. The handcuffs were too tight and when I asked them if they could loosen them I was immediately dunked, awash in how dehumanizing it was to the brink of tears. And that's even though they did remove the cuffs when I asked. Because, tits, apparently. That experience was nicer overall than I know most people endure when dealing with police but never having meaningfully interacted with them before... police culture is bad and wrong. And they don't interact with people as if they're humans. Even if they are nice enough to loosen the handcuffs you didn't fucking need anyway.
Gus_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So this is kind of a weird thought and definitely a "first world" type of idea but I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for a grown adult to lose their freedom for a bit of time. Bear with me. Children have their freedom infringed upon all the time and it's the best thing for them in a ton of cases. Adults however, specifically in modern western societies have limitless freedom and as a result, that freedom constantly gets taken for granted. A little time where it's not a game and you're literally locked up really puts in perspective what freedom is and what you can and should do with it. It's also a really hard and fast physical experience that you need to get through and overcome and can sometimes make you harder and stronger in a good way on the other side.
I've never really been truly locked up but did spend essentially a whole day in a jail cell (and was on the verge of being kept there for longer) for a dumb stunt in college and it definitely made me mentally tougher (plus the punishment worked).
Weird idea but it's kind of interesting to think about.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes absolutely. I actually would recommend everyone to get locked up at least once and of course briefly. It'll make your grow stronger mentally.
rtarplee ยท 1231 points ยท Posted at 18:00:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the biggest epiphany i had while in jail for my last time: I'm bored out of my mind, don't know what time it is, have no idea where we stand as far as my lawyer and bail bondsman goes or when I'm gonna get out.. and while all this is going through my head i overhear other jailmates talking amongst themselves.
"can't wait to get to county, get some money on my commissary and some better food than this shit"
"yeah man, (insert county lockup) is good, cheap sodas from the vending machines and lots of easy trustee work".
my dudes, i cannot wait to get the fuck outta here, brush my teeth and curl up on my couch with my PlayStation controller for a couple hours. fuck this. some people are just ok going back to jail. i am not.
kilogttam ยท 473 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what got to me; WHY ARE YOU ALL SO CONTENT??
Probably because the life they have outside of prison is worse, with little to no real way of getting better?
A lot of people who end up in prison come from violence, abuse and neglect. So imagine, they finally have somewhere they can go where they're never hungry, cold and wont get hurt unless they're stupid or really unlucky. Prison probably seems like heaven compared to where they come from "in the real world".
I heard a story of a lady in womens prison, she commited crimes to survive and then made friends and grew into the life in prison
When they forced her to leave the prison, she put a brick through the stained glass window of the church across the street with a full congregation inside
kilogttam ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True enough but I've seen people I know personally become institutionalized that have a normal background and even family (wife/girlfriend and kids) and a real place to stay waiting for them on the outside.
DLTMIAR ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:49:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never been, but I've heard prison life is pretty structured. Some are just natural born followers
dexmonic ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:56:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's part of it, sure, but I think more it is the dehumanizing aspect. When in prison, you have literally no freedom - something required in human nature. Prison breaks you down, sometimes with pain and violence, sometimes with extreme lengths of boredom, sometimes by the structure itself. It's not just the guards who set the schedule and routines. Other prisoners who enjoy violence and the power or brings them have no hesitation using those things to get what they want. What they want could very badly fuck up a random person's day, life, or entire sentence.
After years of that, how can you go back to a normal regular life?
DLTMIAR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:09:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, ideally you would get reformed in prison and be a better person when you get out, but we live in a shitty society
miauw62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's much more profitable to keep them coming back, after all.
Just to throw in my two cents, I'm a cop and I think that for some people the whole process is just normal. Some of the best conversations I've ever had were with career criminals (a legal term in my city) who were sitting in the back of my car and would be going to jail for some time. Some of my worst experiences have been with people who would be out of jail before the sun rose the next day.
You'd be surprised. I remember being in class when I was like 15, I'd had myself moved to bottom English to be with my friend and the class was full of kids who could barely read, and spent their nights getting drunk in the park.
I over heard them a couple of times talking about what they're going to do after school (like, when they turn 16 and leave schooling) and at least a couple of them said they'd "probably go to prison for a bit, get it out of the way early"
It wasn't just something they expected, it was something they were planning. Many of these kids had already been in trouble with the police or came from families where police visits were the norm.
Iโm under no illusion itโs a paradise, but considering for some people the alternative is literal starvation and sleeping on the street, prison is still a step up. In first world countries, at least.
And obviously, like people have pointed out, some people still wouldnโt want to give up their โfreedomโ for that, but there are many people who would, and do.
I'm guessing you've never tried to get into a homeless shelter as an adult male. Some places have months long wait lists, and you have to call them every week in order to keep your spot on the list.
Is it super unlucky to get hurt in prison? I only really know about them from American movies and TV shows which is of course dramatised but the impression I got was that you can keep your head down and it's not that unlikely you'll get roped into trouble against your will.
I'm from Scotland but know less about the prisons here than American ones...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Media/news = man bites dog. Reality = dog bites man.
I'm from the UK too (england) but a handful of my family members have been to prison and none of them were ever hurt (physically at least, and beyond a couple of even fights). Most of them just complained of boredom. Even the people that were in for violent crimes, so were in higher security, were fine.
American here. It's not just getting unlucky by being on the bad side of an inmate. It's also the fact that healthcare in prison is so bad in many cases, that a minor or moderate aliment can become fatal. You have prison guards and nurses that do the minimum required of them to take care of the inmates. Imagine an infection not getting treated when it should have been treated, an inmate getting sicker and sicker with little to no treatment or medication given, etc. That kind of thing.
A lot of people will have a worse life outside of prison after they go in for the first time. With no family to support you and no more house anymore what can you really do. Canโt get a job without an address and having a criminal record on top of that. And you donโt have a car anymore because the banks took it to pay your bills so hopefully you live somewhere with good public transit. Except you have no money to pay for that transit. And then on top of that thereโs the eating problem because you donโt have money and you canโt get a job. Yeah might as well get thrown back in to the place where as long as you donโt start shit youโll have a free bed, free meals, food above your head. Sure you have limited freedom but you need money in the real world to have any freedom.
Edit: And no one will want to change this situation is the real problem in America. Lawful people are just happy to see the bad man go away. Prisons wonโt want to help the prisoners because if they can send them out and bring them back a week later itโs just more time to profit off them. And the Prisoners that havenโt given up and do care donโt have any power to do anything about it.
I think it's like, when you know you're going to have to do some time, you either freak out, feel trapped, hopeless/helpless, miserable, etc. OR you can take stock of the situation at hand. Realize you can't do anything about it (unless you actually can, but after sentencing most people are just stuck there) and try to get some acceptance in your life. For me, it took a few weeks to get right in my mind. If you know you're going to be in there for a year, but know that eventually you'll be transferred somewhere with better food or facilities that gives you something to look forward to. Sometimes that can make the difference between suicide and holding out for a fucking hot meal. There are a few who probably do actually feel relieved when they go to jail, but in my experience, most people just try to make the best out of a situation they can't change and they have no control over. The only other option (as long as you're already locked up) is misery.
If you canโt change your situation, contentment is the best feeling to have.
Prondox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WHY ARE YOU ALL SO CONTENT??
Because it's better to just look at the bright side if you are going to jail for a large period of time. If they sentence you to 5 years in jail you sitting in yoru cell crying for 5 years won't make it easier.
Institutionalization. If it's for profit it's pretty much in the prison's interest to make inmates reliant on the system and hard to get out of without committing crimes and ending back in the prison.
I spent 1 night in jail when I was 18 for a marijuana pipe. I made friends with a guy with his entire face and body tatted, his name was "snake".
They all talked about going to county or wherever the hell they've been before as if it was summer camp. The guy did let me borrow his car magazine for the night. Two black guys smoking sherm came in around 2am who were pepper sprayed. Once scratched his balls and they started to burn, the screaming started. He got naked and showered in front of everyone in what had to be a 45 degree Fahrenheit holding cell.
I doubt those guys didn't want to go home. Truth is that county is a lot better than sitting in a city jail. If you know for a fact that you're going to be locked up for a period of time, you're looking forward to the next best thing. They're being realistic. They're not going home any time soon, but hopefully they'll get transferred to a better spot soon.
How does trustee work happen? I was serving on a jury and got sick of the cafe so I walked across the street to a burger joint all the lawyers go to and as Iโm walking I see a prisoner in a jumpsuit sweeping the driveway. What appeared to be unsupervised. Just surprised me. I take it some prisoners can be trusted, but that seemed like a lot of trust.
There was a guy in jail in for minor offence. Like a month of jail and 11/29 probation. When I met him he told me he was there all ready for six months. I asked him why didn't he do his month and get out? He told me he likes jail and he could still smoke pot while in jail but not on probation.
Well buddy I guess your in the right place then. Plus I think a part of it was his dad and his brother where also in the pod with him.
The biggest thing that bothered me when I was in overnight once was that I had no idea what time it was, how long Iโd been there, or how long it would still be until anything happened. And also, like your experience, the other people in with me (3 Latina ladies) were all just casually talking, then said goodnight to each other and just went to sleep, no biggie, meanwhile Iโm freaking tf out all night.
This would fuck with me big time. We donโt have any prisons close by but drove past one on a road trip. For literally an hour I was blown away by the thought that there are people in there who have or will be there for the rest of their life (or even 10-20 years). They have no idea a Walmart was built two blocks away, or a new building was put up, or a mall etc. the last time they saw the actual area was when they got transported, and the rest of their existence is that cell.
I could not wrap my head around this and was at that moment I realized Iโd probably go insane in jail. I wouldnโt be able to handle the thought of the world changing around me and this is my new existence.
I remember staring out the window above my bunk and absolutely yearning for freedom. And I was only there a few days tho I thought I would be there at least a month. That's a feeling I had never felt before. Just wanting to see my family again and thinking how much I took for granted.
Thats how i felt. I wasn't a criminal, only ever been in trouble for pot. But when I got put in for a month, just that feeling of, oh. This is what it getting your freedom taken away means, and I'm powerless to do anything about it, made me change my entire life around.
Never been arrested, but I'm curious of what you did with your "freedom" (such as it was) afterwards, and what you'd recommend someone like me do with theirs?
That was jail for a month in a large pod (about 30 people on bunk beds in a large open dorm with 2 tiers, no cells just big dorm) It was life, some people were ass holes but most were OK. Just trying to pass the time while doing their time. Played chess, worked out, did some writing. The books were all like middle school level though and very uninteresting.
My experience exactly. Scared little 21 y/o me was shitting bricks as I carried my little tub of underwear and toothbrush etc. down the hall to the pod. Put on a stoic face and marched right to my bunk, set myself up and realized that this was gonna be boring as fuck and nobody was gonna fuck with me.
Lucky. You got a bunk and underwear. The lovely guards would make fun of us sleeping on the floor. I knew better than to say aloud "there are 18 beds and you have 41 of us in here. I counted both."
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, what country did you go to prison?
frylord ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 03:14:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Texas....It's like a whole other country!
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:33:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Crap. Being a Brit, I don't know much about the USA, but I always knew they could be quite inhumane. I never expected them to mistreat prisoners that badly, holy fuck! I'm so sorry you had to live through that.
frylord ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, didn't mean to mislead. I was not OP, just making social commentary. I don't have first hand experience but there are some pretty shitty prisons here. I know Texas has some with no AC, and Texas gets f-ing hot
Honestly as long as its somewhat ventilated i dont mind them having no AC...i didnt get AC until i moved out from my parents house at 20ish and we get week long 45C with 100% humidity here...sucks but its not inhumane.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Arizona they dream about going to jail in Texas.
It's because this is a land built on the principles of capitalism, therefore prisons should be for-profit institutions. For the record many of us don't agree with that sentiment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:48 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, most places are built on capitalism. It seems the USA takes that a bit further. My condolences to those who are screwed by that system.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:35 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking more about their desire to overcrowd prisons by sentencing as many people as possible to increase their bottom line. I'm aware that we have better conditions in our prisons than some countries, but the U.S. also has a higher ratio of prisoners per capita than any other country in the world.
dam1985 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The good ole US of A. It was county lock up, a big drunk tank. It was over a 3 day weekend. Most everyone I talked to, myself included, just got drunk and did varying degrees of stupidity.
Judges don't work holidays around here so most of us were waiting for them to get through the backlog and let us out on bail. Except one kid, a guy told me he was 18 years old and waiting for the transport bus to take him to serve 18 years in state prison. I gave him plenty of room.
This is a progressive west coast state, in an upper middle class county. I shudder to think what conditions are like in less affluent areas.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now that this is the actual OP, I shall say that I am so sorry you had to live in that shithole, even if it was only for a short time. As a Brit, I always knew that the USA could be a bit OTT, and sometimes downright inhumane, but I never knew they'd go as far to cram 41 prisoners into a cell with 18 beds.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:43:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody else read, "and nobody was gonna fuck me." ? I loled then was disappointed when I read it a 2nd time.
sirlost ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:22:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, jail is mostly just boring. I either read, sat and watched TV that was too quiet or played chess.
A jail I was in recently (for work) had 2 big rows of tablets charging on the wall in a pod I went into. Donโt know what they did with them. Probably played games or read or something.
I was in jail for about 20 hours overnight, and the only person who wasnโt nice or at least respectful enough to talk to me like a fellow human was the dickhead cop who arrested me, other inmates and staff were all cool.... all the other cops were cool and joking around with me.... but that one cop was constantly telling me to shut the fuck up, even when I was answering a question another cop asked me.
Wait, Iโm an idiot, whatโs the difference between jail and prison?
Druuseph ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 18:34:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison is what you think it is, the sprawling campus with different dormitories and three layers of barbed wire. Jail is usually a compact building attached to or connected to a police precinct and isn't meant for long term stays. Depending on where you are its little more than a drunk tank but in bigger cities/counties its usually a couple of open dormitories for people who can't make bail or are only serving short sentences.
Humpsoss ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:51:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to one for DUI/GTA in SoCal (Orange County) over 10 years ago and exactly like this. They were also segregated which was weird. I was put in with the whites and Latinos. They called me 'wood.' 0/10, would not DUI and steal Ford Excursion again to get home after drinking.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is usually for sentences less than one year at your local county jail or when you are awaiting trial. Prison is for when you get years of time. This is a broad generalization but pretty much the gist. Jail is usually a much safer environment as the inmates are usually in for short sentences of a year or less and don't go looking for trouble so they can add years to their sentence. Usually nobody trying to be the "big man" in jail and just people trying do their little time and get free.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:52:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
except that nobody gives a fuck about you in jail. you could be literally dying and there's no guarantee the CO will even look at you twice, much less open the door to check.
and the time i was in, my 32 person area was holding about 40 people and a few of them were awaiting transport. one had recently gotten life for murder and a couple others were looking at 25 years. no separation or protection for the people in there for small drug possession or anything else.
Ive heard jails have been housing Lifers and what not recently due to prisons being filled to the brim. Theyve gotten more dangerous supposedly, thankfully i dont know how true this is
JK_NC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think jail is where youโre held after arrest but before conviction/sentencing (and canโt afford bail). Prison is where you go after youโve been found guilty and sentenced to some amount of time.
UncleGrga ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is gonna be boring
my last time in jail, i turned myself in at a courthouse on a bench warrant.
The solo holding cell was so fucking boring, i mostly paced back and forth and when food finally arrived, i did arts and crafts with the paper bag
A buddy of mine who did a short stint said the same thing about the books. He was craving even an okay book, but everything they had was either at a middle school level or in Spanish. (He managed to be a white dude locked up in an area that was mostly Latin-American immigrants.)
I was 18 years old. They took my belt and the laces out of my Doc Martins.
Had a cell to myself and was woken up in the morning by a police officer with a cup of tea and a bacon roll. It was a decent cup of tea, the bacon was nice and thankfully they'd remember to put on the red sauce.
After that I was finger printed. Then they took me to have a mugshot taken and they had to re-do it because I smiled on the first one and apparently that's not allowed. (see Martin Star in the opening credits of Freaks and Geeks for an idea)
Then I was questioned. Gave them nothing. Asked for another cup of tea and a bacon roll. Only got the tea.
Then they drove me home and searched my bedroom. Found nothing.
Whole thing was dropped a week later on a technicality.
Small town police. Can recommend. 8/10
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh you get used to it, nobody really wants to stare at a guy taking a shit so it's not as bad as you picture it. Plus it's in a corner and there's a little waist high wall so they'd have to be trying to see your junk to actually see it.
My dad went to prison three times and he told me the "pick on the new guy" thing is rare. People in prison like to stick to their schedule. It's one of the things that keep them sane. Picking on you is not worth getting out of their grove. He has no idea about max though. He never went to max.
walliver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello! Something I've always wondered about jail food. I'm vegetarian (by choice, nothing religious or related to health issues), would they cater for me?
I don't know anything about Terry Crews. I just am of the mind that nothing is off limits for jokes. Nothing is too sacred. There are certainly contexts in which things go to far though. Like, gallows humor is pretty inappropriate at a funeral, and probably would avoid making a rape joke in front of a friend who was recently raped.
If you disagree with me, I think that's valid, and there certainly are good arguments to be made, but that's just what I happen to believe.
I disagree. All comedy comes from tragedy, and I don't think it's anyone's place to say some things are too tragic too be joked about, because it essentially is ranking tragedy. Maybe you're offended at a rape joke, but think a Hindenberg joke is okay. Who's to say that the rape joke is worse? Granted, I get offended at certain jokes every now and then too, but I don't think other people don't have a right to make them. It just happened to strike a chord with me.
The thing is though, to someone who has been or knows someone who has been raped, it wouldn't be funny at all. In the same way that I doubt a Holocaust survivor would enjoy Nazi jokes.
I think that entirely depends on what the joke is and how relevant it is to that persons experience. I did specify that it had to be funny and well-intended, even if in questionable taste. Frankie Boyle made a career out of telling offensive jokes, I'm sure some of his fans have had bad shit happen to them in the past that he mocks.
Edit: Lmao everybody's getting downvoted in this thread, no matter what opinion they have. Bottom line is, some people want to censor free expression, and I think that humour is a matter of opinion and shouldn't be censored just because somebody might get offended. First world problems, eh? Where the only thing you have to worry about is somebody hurting your feelings. Lighten up.
That's...not at all what I said. Nor did I necessarily agree. Not my view, just what a lot of people think.
And while I don't think that marijuana should be banned (we don't ban booze, ffs) and that sentences for weed are just absurd, I also think not breaking drug law is...not that hard. Personal responsibility and all that.
Right, because laws are always correct and breaking the law automatically makes you wrong. Laws are spooks, people have the right to bodily autonomy which includes using drugs.
Don't get me wrong, I agree. Laws aren't right just because they're laws. I never said otherwise.
At the same time it's generally prudent to follow them, especially for the ones that govern an optional activity.
phrazel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a black guy telling me to stick a lighter up my bunghole on the ride to the main jail. He was sticking a pack of cigs in his and I was suppose to put the lighter in mine. I passed....
Goatmo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha it's so funny when men get RAPED!!! AMIRITE?
TurntAsf ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um, would you joke about rape around any substantial group of women? That would be pretty savage. So then, why THE FUCK would you joke about rape with people willing to discuss their prison experience?
Edit: Please please please help me understand how my comment is being misread. I'm saying you shouldn't joke about people's trauma right in front of them.
That's pretty fucked up. Especially if you went to prison for robbing some place because you were broke. You'd live in a perpetual prison sentence. Fuck that rule and whoever wrote it!
karnim ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:36:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A whole lot of crime is committed because people are broke. Taking a broke person out of jail and saying "You owe us thousands of dollars" just makes them more likely to commit crime again, for the monetary and survival needs.
As most young people are learning now with student loans, it's hard to build a life when you owe someone more than you can afford to give up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what we're talking about though, like they are desperate, commit a crime, serve their sentence, then come out still poor and get sent back if they can't pay up, which unfairly causes them to remain in jail and more likely to go back to crime.
Bud, I make fun of retards who use terms like libtard. Get some new material. You can't create an argument so you throw out pointless insults and strawmen
Unless you move to Norway. I work in wholesales and there's several plumbers who's served time who comes to visit, and they all make the same or more than me โฆ Hell, even one of them was even serving for kidnapping.
Nah, it was drug/money related. Probably sounds a lot worse than it was, still he served a good 6-7 years for it, and was released because of behaviour (remember it's Norway).
Edit: I tried googling something about kidnapping princess after you wrote it, and now I'm probably on some list โฆ
Right, generally speaking pretty easy, but there were a few moons that were pretty tough to get.
flapface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't 100%-ed it and almost certainly won't, just don't have the patience for that kind of thing these days now that I'm in my 30s. Cracking game though, really enjoyed playing it. I'm currently going back to get enough moons for the "real" ending (500?)
Thatโs pretty much what I thought Iโd do too, but it was fun enough that I just kept going for each โnextโ thing (500 moons, 880 moons, 999 moons) until I couldnโt do anything else new in the game. No need to rush though, just enjoy the game!
flapface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no my sister and I were like 5 and 11 and not gamers at all. Didnโt even know it existed
Pitfall, KaBoom, and Donkey Kong were our Atari choices as well...
I'm 37 and I feel old but it depends on each individual. My mum's 68 and a lot of people think that's old but she doesn't feel it. My sister's only 39 and is in worst shape physically than my mum due to arthritis.
Most countries won't let you in with violent criminal convictions. Canada kicked my roommate out of the car at the border just for for having a 3 year old DUI and that was just to visit for 2 days. I can't imagine they'd be friendlier if he was applying for a work visa.
If you have a DUI and want to go into Canada you need to call ahead. If you give them a heads up they're okay with letting you in, but you can't just show up on their doorstep.
It's a little harder than calling. I tried to plan a visit with my girlfriend who has a 4 year old DUI and she had to apply and was denied. Sometimes people slip through though it's up to the discretion of the Border patrol agent in certain cases. I was just using that as a softball example of trying to move/work in another country with a criminal record. Even without one it's difficult to get a work vida in most first world countries. trade work especially. Doctors, engineers, and specific tech and medical certs/degrees are generally in the highest demand. You might swing that with a criminal record but with a kidnapping charge I'd be very surprised.
nabrok ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a documentary where an american prison warden visited a Norwegian prison (at least I think it was Norway). It's just a completely different attitude towards incarceration/rehabilitation.
Aski09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the opposite, where a norwegian warden visited an american prison.
The warden asked the inmates to draw a realistic dream prison. They ended up drawing something very similar to the prison the warden came from.
Eh. Happens here too (US). My dad used to be really involved in the local Plumber/Pipefitter union for our state. Plenty of apprentices with a few offenses. I'm sure it varies by state though.
g0atmeal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a plumber in the US and started working when I had a felony on record, and plenty of my co-workers also have criminal records. When the labor market is tight they really dredge up all the talent from the bottom. And I get paid modestly more than the median household income for the city. Construction is a relatively easy industry to get a job in with a criminal record(if you're physically capable).
And on the topic of Norway, one of my cousins moved from the Czech republic to Norway to become a bus driver, and within 6 months got caught speeding in his personal vehicle and had his commercial drivers license permanently revoked. So it's not all sunshine for law breakers in Norway(though they did let him immigrate despite having a prosecution for beating up a parking lot attendant with his skinhead gang buddies on his record)
But they'll also say skilled trade jobs are still good jobs while ignoring that you can still get those after prison.
You mean you don't make your plumber pee in a cup and give him a backround check before he unclogs the shit from your toilet? Doesn't sound very American to me.........
ABCosmos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt they would take you after you commit a crime, are you suggesting we move to Norway before we commit crimes?
You can get amazingly well paying jobs in the states too. People just donโt think of blue collar/food industry jobs as โgoodโ but I know welders doing insanely well that did some pretty significant time.
Heavy machine operators, construction, dry wall, etc. all programs at the facility I work at
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
remember, too, that up there, they basically give hotel suites to mass murders for their stay in jail.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:37:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it works, then it works. Cruelty for the sake of it is not becoming of a civilised society. They're still locked away and unable to harm the public from in there, and Breivik (to whom I assume you're referring) will not be a martyr for the far right. He'll be a sad little man who died bored and unloved.
It really depends. When I was first featured on the local news Warrant Watch, half the people I thought were friends immediately called my workplace trying to find me so they could turn me in and collect the reward money. I was immediately fired from that job.
But a couple years later, I got a job at a major international airport and passed a US Customs 10 year background check with no problems. Even though I listed my arrests and jail time, they didn't even turn it up, because the county I was incarcerated in was so backwoods and disorganized.
That's absolutely not true. Prison, most likely, especially if it's a felony. But plenty of people go to jail for a night or two. Most if my friends and family has gone to jail for a night or two when they were younger for stupid stuff like being too drunk outside of a bar or getting into a fight. Most of them are doing just fine. Lawyers, doctors, consultants, engineers, and so on.
mr_ji ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:46:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only that were still the case. Every white collar job checks your history these days, explicitly or not.
Source: Just left Ivy League grad school and have a stellar resume; people are knocking down my door to hire me until the criminal history check or whatever they call it then I never hear from them again. I'll probably wind up selling fucking insurance.
Going to jail for a couple days almost never shows up on background checks. You must have actually been convicted of something.
mr_ji ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Most misdemeanors don't get sent to prison, which is the majority of convictions, not to mention that an arrest is enough to lose prospective employment in many states.
That's not true, small things can be taken off your record with very little effort. If someone is taken to jail for a night to sober up its not going to show up on some record and ruin their life, that's a ridiculous claim.
avsbdn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lawyers, doctors, consultants, engineers, and so on.
Sounds like they had money for a pretty decent lawyer
No kidding. My brother got sent to prison when he was 19 for breaking into someone's house and vandalising it. He's 45 and got turned down for a caring job because of his record. He only broke into the house because someone spiked him with acid.
chaos36 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely the next 7 years. Most places only look back that far. That 7 years will be tough, even low skill manufacturing jobs will reject you, but after that you should be fine. After my felony (stupid teenager) I worked production and went back to school. I would say my current job is a good one.
This is a relief to hear as a parent with a (now adult) who was also stupid and had a felony on his record. He is currently working a shitty job he hates, but is at least sticking too and has expressed interest in starting school again. Thank you!
chaos36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not easy and not fast, but it can be done. It does depend on the individual though. It can be hard to work towards something after a setback like that. And I didn't really care about my situation when it was just me. It took having a child to make me want to better myself. But I had a good support system, and they didn't enable me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My younger brother is a real success story. Three arrests, one felony. He spent a year in jail (avoided prison). Got out, rehabbed, got an AA in information technology, got a great job, makes 60 k.
Recommendations were crucial. He did get turned down from some jobs, but his current boss only knows he canโt pass a security clearance, otherwise told him donโt know, donโt care.
...in America, anyhow. In some countries, after a set number of years, a conviction is deemed "spent" and you no longer have to declare it on application forms etc. In the UK, this is protected by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (dunno what year).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess they are the exception not the rule, but I've known a few folks who make 6 figures after going to prison. One is a millioinare. It takes a lot of hard work to get back up, but it's possible.
I make double now than I did before I went to prison. A lot of ex prisoners don't work at all though, it's pretty sad that society just says they have nothing to offer
pknk6116 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I own a (tech) company, I'd still hire the shit out of a felon if they were good and knew what they were doing. Depends on the charge of course...
So we exist, but yeah, rare. I also was arrested for a BS felony (plead down to misdemeanor) though so I get it a bit more than many.
Depends on what you mean by decent. No trade jobs around here do background checks, they made it so you can't put background check questions on applications for federal jobs I'm pretty sure. You have options, just a nice cushy security clearance required job will probably be out of reach.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโd be surprised how many ex cons work in the construction industry and make a good living
My friend went to federal prison for a year. Still makes a million a year
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. My ex was a counselor at a local prison. A guy that was locked up did lawn keeping within the prison fences, and due to good conduct was allowed to care for the front lawn up to the road outside the gates.
Dude got out, and due to his work, he was offered a job with the city, groundskeeping for public parks and other city properties.
I mean, it's probably a rare exception, but dude is making good money with great benefits.
Learning a good trade might be a good tip (having never been in prison myself). Our carpenter doing our hardwood floors used to be a bank robber and served time. Back then he did it out of desperation for money, being unskilled. Now he has a skill that he really enjoys doing, so its not worth fucking up. And on the other side of things, he's really good at it, so the first few people were willing to take the risk at having a thief in their house, and now its been over 20 years since he was in jail, so now pretty much no one worries about it anymore.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Wweagle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:05:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it makes no sense though, by not giving ex cons a chance they will just move on to crime and possibly kill someone
I was lucky enough to keep my job after going to jail. It was a heroin charge and I posted my bail 3 days after being locked up and immediately checked into rehab. My job took that into account and put me on a probationary period to make sure I wasn't using.
Haven't gone back and I recently got a small bonus and they told me they are glad they didn't fire me and that I have been exceeding their expectations so things really worked out.
In the end I'm glad I got arrested because now I can save money and my life is actually improving. Maybe one of the only people the system has benefited.
Same, it's a shame. A lot of really great people taken by a bad decision.
One friend was an absolutely brilliant artist. The kind of person who leaves a lasting impression on you the first time you meet him. Could have done great things.
I am actually! I made it out lucky. Also the company I work for is owned by wonderful people. Couldn't be more grateful to work for them.
I got a year of probation, lost my truck for 6 months and had to buy a new one. Overall the situation has cost me around $5000. $2000 of that was getting my truck back. Now my truck is in the shop for sitting on a lot for 6 straight months in the winter time and I'm looking at probably another $500 to get it running again because I am by no means mechanic.
It's been stressful but I made it out alright and was able to save the money to take care of everything. This happened late August last year so I'm still dealing with some of the aftermath.
Thatโs kind of shocking to me. Well, Iโm glad to hear the system didnโt completely fail you. Nice to see that it might work for some people. Best of luck on getting things squared away and back on your feet.
Keep it up, buddy! Don't be afraid to get more help if you need it.
pegleg97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:07 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It benifitted me. I don't want to ever fucking go back to jail that's for damn sure. I only did 3 weeks and I couldn't take it. I couldn't imagine getting years and they pass it out like candy too.
Meanee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they switched bodies.
BulletC ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:48:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like a riddle
L0git ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No real mystery to be solved. I had to do a weekend in jail, and when I told him about it I didn't have my license at the time so he offered to do both.
Out of curiosity, what lead to a weekend in jail? That sounds like something that could happen to a decent person, but also fuck up your job/rental/school applications
I used to work in the timeshare business, and the old timers would talk of a time when they kept a bail fund to get their top sellers out so they wouldnt miss work. It was usually alcohol related.
I work in food service and coworkers going to jail is like a monthly occurrence. One time the general manager went to jail for an unpaid ticket and we had to cover for her
DerekB52 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:22:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom works at a vocational high school and they just got a new welding teacher. He's one of the only teachers in the school that has spent any serious amount of time in the trades they teach. He floored them all when he said if they had a welder get locked up, they'd pass a hat around and collect money to pay his bail, cuz they were gonna need the guy for work. Welders are in short supply.
It's not a hard skill. I've done welding for DIY projects. It's just tiring.
DerekB52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a machinist myself, but I've dabbled in welding. I couldn't do it professionally. It would depend on the job though. Machinists make parts with .0001" precision. That's 1/50 the thickness of a standard sheet of printer paper. I've seen people weld without a ruler cuz they had a 2 inch tolerance. So I like to make fun of welders. But, some jobs get really really precise, and I don't understand how they do it.
Same happened to my dad, his boss was quite pissed when he learned the bail was supposed to be just $100 but he paid $1000 because of a clerical error in the system.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My previous boss, sheโs retired now, heard my stories of getting arrested and going to jail. She had me memorize her phone number and told me donโt worry, Iโll always bail you out! Luckily she never had to. Iโve gotten slightly smarter with age.
I bailed out one of my employees yesterday. He's a good worker and got picked up for an unpaid fine from a few years ago. He doesn't know it was me though, but he suspects.
joevsyou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my last boss, was like that.
"Oh you missed the bus? Oh your car wont start? Oh you was in a accident? Oh your car blocked in by 7 feet of snow?
"No no no, i be there in 15"
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote because that's funny and should be in a sitcom.
Mine wanted to post bail for me. I called my gf and told her to tell him not to I'll be out in two weeks. He says but I need him this weekend. You know your a valuable employee when your boss is picking u up or posting bail. You know your boss cares about you that he'll drop you off. Making sure your ass don't catch a warrant.
Due to it being a name from another language, itโs hard to say. Although, Iโm pretty sure itโs not pronounced โsevenโ and thereโs just an awkward-feeling transition from the โsโ to the โv.โ Or at least itโs awkward for someone who only knows English and have spoken it all their life
Labdisco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I don't think "Sven" is a good way to pronounce "seven", but I can't think of anything else... like I said, interested in the answer.
Yeah. Strange. Iโd understand with words like โerrorโ but whatever. Maybe heโll explain maybe he wonโt. It is kind of interesting though, but Iโm probably not going to research stuff
Refrigerator, fridge. For some reason the abbreviated version has a 'd' in it, the full word does not. Kind of like how ops mother is a Saint but ops mom is a slut, the abbreviation also has a d in it.
Idler- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fridge is short for Frigidaire. It just became slang for all fridges, like Kleenex and tissue paper. At least, thatโs what Iโve heard. I donโt really know anything except this jar Iโm in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless youre a jail guard...
Sauce: my dad's DUI and his Girlfriend who was charged with domestic abuse.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My coworker once hit his wife's boyfriend in the face with a shotgun when he took half a day and came home to them having sex in the kitchen.
His wife worked at the same place on first shift and he ended up in jail for 30 days and they tried to fire him.
The problem was he had enough vacation and PTO time saved up to where he took 20 days off that month plus signed up for anger management, well court ordered, so they couldn't terminate him for the assault or missing work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't go to prison but it's not so bad in jail but yeah that stuff can happen in there, it's just more frequent in prison because hell at that point some people just stop giving a fuck about life at all.
This gives me anxiety. I just got put out today and all I have is my car, which Iโm already in trouble for because I have no license and a $500 fine to pay which Iโm months late on.
Really hope I donโt go to jail...
mdlost1 ยท 1333 points ยท Posted at 20:21:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get on Craigslist and get a general labor job asap. First step to stability is cash in your hand.
smep ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 20:53:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First step is get to your local assistance office ASAP. That's what they're there for.
mdlost1 ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 21:46:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Takes weeks to get balls rolling there. I've done it. Picking up a shovel for $10 an hour did more for me than the state ever did. Hearings and councillors don't pay bills or buy lunch. Good for medium term problems though.
Meetchel ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 22:28:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
mdlost1 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 22:30:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely both!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:19:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For sure both, but they were talking about the "first step". In order, probably 1) get some cash in hand, 2) get to your local assistance office ASAP.
noncm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:36:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did this when I got my first citation for staying at the library after hours. Was able to pay $200 off that month. It sucked big time, but I'm glad I don't have to do that again.
Edit: I was not a student. It was at the time I first became homeless. It was definitely an eye opening moment.
vicgoal ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:37:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a student at the university (although they do welcome everyone), and people without their card get cited.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:16:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucked up world.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they have Labor Ready in your town? You get paid same day you work. There's usually a local liquor store that will cash the check. They send you on some pretty horrible gigs but it kept me going for 2 years back in the Great Recession.
Or search focus groups on Craigslist. I made $100 last week, $50 today, and have one for Saturday/Sunday which is $100 each day. All for a total of 6 hours of sitting, answering questions, and snacks.
I usually search focus groups in the jobs, events, community, and gigs categories. You will also find clinical studies usually lumped in there as well. At most they are going to ask you the basics like number, email, and things of that nature. All the ones I've done have called me first for a phone screening, so if the ad just says show up here I probably wouldn't go.
I've only done about 6 total in my life and they have all paid (all were cash except one which was a check) and it's actually pretty fun. A few pre-trials where you are part of a mock jury, a video game group, and the one this weekend is being a body model for people learning to use an MRI.
I know Craigslist list is full of fakes and scams, but if you due some searching and don't fall for things that are too good to be true, you can make some good extra money!
One final tip is that I think there is a leaning towards not using people who do a lot of focus groups and there will often be a question in the screening about if you have ever been a part of one. I usually say no or that it was several years ago for an acne medication. A little fib doesn't hurt here.
You're welcome. One more thing is to not get discouraged and keep checking ever three days or so...the ads they put up are usually only a week or two before the actually date of the group, and they fill up quickly so the earlier you sign up the better. Good luck!
I didn't read it as he's been in prison. I read it as he's been put out of wherever he was staying. Hence why he said he really hopes he doesn't go to jail, instead of saying "back to jail."
Check with Express employment. If you can do basic math, read, and pass a quick piss test they can find you a job. They have offices pretty much everywhere. They found me a decent job in about two weeks after I had to leave my old job and move to an entirely new city. Took a slight paycut, but I'm happier at work than before and I get a check every week. They're pretty good at working with whatever you have to offer.
Right now that car is your lifeline, so you have to do everything possible to keep it legal. Is it a court or a DMV thing? This can spiral out of control but before it does you need to go to the DMV or court and ask for some form of hardship exception. Get your license current and keep it that way.
Hoping doesn't change things unfortunately, and these issues are fixable, but you have to start today!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can work, look into labouring on job sites. It'll be shit work but it might pay marginally better than other no-skill jobs.
Plus a lot of the time it's no questions asked. If you don't fuck up or pull a no show, they'll probably keep you on.
liltuuna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, there's a lot of good advice here, but if you have a chamber of commerce, try calling them. Sometimes they can give emergency cash funds that you don't have to wait for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My siblings and I were raised by or grandmother. She got all of us through high school. My youngest sister graduated in 2016, and my grandmother decided not to renew the lease on the house for 2017.
August 31st was the last day in the house in 2017. I had a job, got laid off on the 30th of August, believe it or not.
Been homeless ever since. Slept at my moms crib, she put me out. Slept on a friends couch for a month and a half then went back to my. Moms crib. She put me out 1 day before the new year. Stayed with my sister then she put me out in the cold and rain on the 21st of this month.
Iโve been struggling to find and keep a steady job, and on top of all that, Iโm chasing my dream of being a famous singer, so part of me is just coping with this crap. Iโm actually going to California to stay with my dad until I can get my own place.
Don't be afraid to ask at any job site you see. I have hired plenty of guys this way and got work this way myself. It is not going to be a steady gig or a lot of cash, but if you are a hard worker, sometimes it can turn into something more than just a day. There are a lot of smaller construction crews who might need an extra guy for a half a day or a couple days.
By bf got laid off twice in a year. The first time was rough, but the second time he took jobs from the community FB page and held us over for a few weeks. Mow lawns, do anything. The worst thing to do is stay at home, you get bored and stressed/depressed. Run a budget and try to make what you have last as long as possible.
Seconding on the general labor. Construction has a lot of rough round the edges types, and as long as you show up and have a good attitude wont ask about your background.
Smart phones are dirt cheap these days. Not everyone has to buy a brand new iPhone X or Pixel 2
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who recently had to make decisions like "should I feed myself or pay some of my rent?", I can say that even a 15 dollar phone is fucking expensive when you don't even have 5 bucks
Moefun24 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A phone before anything else seems odd, but I'm curious to see what his life is like now
a phone is essential to getting a job these days. how else would you communicate? by letters? youโre homeless. a phone isnโt a luxury anymore, itโs a necessity
Went to jail for shock treatment and had to stay two weekends. 7am Saturday to 7am Monday.
You go in for processing, get naked, and then spread your asshole and cough.
They take you to your cell and you meet your mates. Hopefully they are cool, most likely will be if you are staying for a short time.
Realize their is an actual toilet 2ft from your bed. This is where people shit, sometimes while you are trying to sleep. That's the weirdest part.
Breakfast is at 5am.
Saturday night we got to watch a movie. Everyone seems to be friendly during the movie and will yell out funny phrases or cat call when a sexy lady shows up on screen.
Short of it is I basically read Louis Lamour books the entire time that I borrowed from my cell mate.
Also, got the nickname Chainsaw Dave because I grind my teeth when I sleep. They said it was as loud as a chainsaw.
EDIT: fixed some autocorrect.
To answer what shock treatment is, the judge will usually send first time offenders to jail over the weekends to scare or shock them into not wanting to go to jail again. It worked for me, but I did see a kid from high school there that I knew. We talked and he mentioned that a lot of people dont mind coming back to jail for 3 or 6 months or a year for minor offences because they have friends in there already and they don't have to worry about responsibility.
I wear a mouth guard now, thankfully I do not have any damage that was ever caused to my teeth.
You just can't ever ever ever explain how you got the name. That or lie your ass off.
gmenold ยท 511 points ยท Posted at 18:54:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When asked how you get a name like that just say "they started calling me that ever since the incident..."
Trey5169 ยท 390 points ยท Posted at 19:40:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"They heard it in the night. There was no doubt about the truth. Ever since, they've called me Chainsaw Dave. And I wouldn't change it for the life of me."
This sounds like the kind of thing that could get out of hand. Suddenly no one wants Chainsaw Dave involved in the block grillout because he ate all those babies.
DangerDoc ยท 499 points ยท Posted at 15:27:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would especially intimidating if the guy with the nickname "Chainsaw Dave" was a scrawny, nondescript individual... you know, the kind of person people suspect of having a seriously terrifying dark side
Scalpels ยท 246 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a scrawny, nondescript individual... you know, the kind of person people suspect of having a seriously terrifying dark side
My whole life people joke that I'll be the one to snap and kill of bunch of people. I laugh it off, but really, I'm a pretty nice guy. Most of the time.
I do kind of resent the serial killer and mass murder jokes though. I don't want to "Columbine" anyone just because they are a bit exhausting for me to deal with socially.
I'm more of an eye for an eye guy. No reason to hurt an innocent.
[deleted] ยท 1001 points ยท Posted at 15:52:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Burboto ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chainsaw Dave is so hard even Sprog has written a poem about him. WOW.
Sprog- Thank you for doing what you do. Reading that piece will likely be the best part of my day.
dsf900 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Hope you have earplugs,' he said -
'My story will amaze.'
'I grind my teeth when I'm in bed.'
'So they call me Chainsaw Dave'
stenvg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
Okioter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I wanna share my word with you:
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Yes it is real,
I found it in a book,
Though don't be silly,
it ain't the Babadook.
I hope you live long... and prosper.
Thank you Sprog,
for all that you offer.
"Ch.. Chainsaw Dave? Holy shit dude, did you fucking murder people with a chainsaw?!"
"Let's just say that to this very day it still haunts my sleep"
Fr33Paco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
one of the first times, I got locked up. I was given the name Wallstreet, because when I went to court I didn't know I was getting locked up. Usually go to court in a suit and tie, works out often times to my benefit. Anyway, judge ordered either community service or jail time. I chose jail time and well was locked up.
When I was going through processing I was asked all kinds of questions. Being that I also wear glasses and told people I workd with computers, I was given that name. Still use it as a handle sometimes.
I worked as a corrections officer at a state prison for 26 years. Inmates can be very creative when giving nicknames. Just a few from the top of my head: Hamburger, Woody (killed someone with a baseball bat), Big Dummy, Tree, Cowboy, Tex, Mississippi, Pineapple, Snowflake and French Fry.
Trust me, shit ain't mundane. I grind my teeth during the day, involuntarily. They say that if you grind during the day, no doubt you do it at night. There are days where my jaw feels like it did during my teenage braces days. Bruxism is no fun.
Yours is fine because you're conscious of it. When my friend is sleeping, he doesn't realize how badly he's grinding. He really goes at it. It sounds like bones grating and crunching really loudly. This is what it sounds like. I think it sounds quieter because it's in a video, but it's terrible to hear in person and louder than you'd think (depending on how hard the person grinds too).
(Article specifically discusses data for teens, but doesn't seem that unreasonable to extrapolate to adults in the absence of conflicting data in that population.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like there is a real high risk of that backfiring. Seems like an US thing to do.
Sounds like a very minor jail sentence that the judge hopes will get the offender to stop fucking up. Maybe for a probation violation or something. Just guessing here.
And then you wind up halfway across the world, trying to find a place in your scrapehole where you haven't already buried a shit that was more than likely taken while you were on your back.
I was pregnant and I hate onions. Everything in our county jail contained onions. If you were pregnant, in TX, you get a "pregnancy snack" it was usually a peanut butter sandwich or a bologna sandwich (or cheese) and a little carton of milk. All I ate in there was whatever bread came with the meal, the milk that came with each of my meals, and a peanut butter sandwich each day... I believe the peanut butter gummed up the works.
RS177 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:44:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She's wonderful. I had gotten a marijuana possession charge the previous year and had made the mistake of telling my PO when I got pregnant and by whom. He was a felony so they revoked me and I had to sit in jail for a week before they made a deal with me to go to an extended stay, rehab facility. I agreed bc I was not willing to sit out my sentence and keep the charge on my record or have you daughter in jail just to give her up to family after 2 days... So I was able to make a deal.
It helped that I hadn't smoked for a year and had already been following the rules for the most part so rehab wasn't too bad. I was able to find a facility in Austin, TX that accepted pregnant mother's and mothers of preschool aged children. It was odd spending my last trimester there, but it was good for me bc I learned a lot.
Good for you! :) I had to sit for two weekends over decade back (driving while suspended), amd I happened to be pregnant. I was given graham crackes as well as allowed to have ice. They'd give me a 5lb bag a day and i'd drink my water with it. Otherwise I let it sit in my sink and melt, sometimes the others would trade me their fruit for a scoop.
yeah. my friends had to bail me out originally and then work knew about it, but then again i worked in a callcenter at the time, so half the staff and mgmt had been to jail at one point in their lives lol.
i was able to keep it from my parents for a long time somehow.
lol, that shit was back in 02 and i was in college. i have a wife, nice job, and a beautiful daughter now. sometimes i drink, but i thank god for uber everytime i do. i havent drank and drive since college.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:08:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, /u/chbay still doesnโt have to show you any sympathy, but who really gives a shit what some dude on the internet thinks.
Sounds like youโre doing well for yourself and hope it stays that way for yourself and your family.
4-stars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you consider drunk drivers as worse criminals than child diddlers?
I don't even have symapathy for child molesters, much less DUIs.
I mean I have no lost feelings when drunk drivers have their license taken away and get locked up for a bit, but I wouldn't put them lower on the sympathy deserving spectrum than child molesters, like your sentence structure is insinuating.
And I mean I don't really have a problem with throwing a drunk driver in a cell for a few days really, but subjecting them to the whole treatment of strip searches and that is inhumane. Like get some drunk tanks with cots and stuff and just put them in with a clean boiler suit or their own clothes if they want.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:54:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should get a mouth piece. Grinding can cause some issues.
Grinding your teeth is often a warning sign for sleep apnea. The forward grinding and clenching action forces your airway open. Itโs often accompanied by snoring. If you grind your teeth and often wake up with headaches, or oversleep, or find sleep not very restful thereโs a good chance you suffer from sleep apnea. You should get seen by a doctor to figure out if you need a sleep study. Should you have sleep apnea, youโll want to know early. It can screw up your mind and your life.
the actual term for teeth grinding is bruxism, some people just have it for some unknown reason. In others it might be because the jaw and teeth are misaligned, might be a reason to get braces
i never got headaches myself, just the feeling that my jaw needed to keep moving. hard to explain. best thing i can compare it to is how your jaw feels after a line of coke, but without the coke effects.
Thank you, that settles it. I never knew there were guards for that, now thanks to this thread, I do!
I am so far from Walgreens, you cannot imagine, haha. I am also quite far from usd 1000 dentist guards mentioned by the original commenter, which is nice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any pharmacy will have a grind guard (sometimes called night guards)
Can confirm. A dozen crowns are very expensive. I wear a mouth guard now.
Valdrax ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:03:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I love FFIX, but how is Chainsaw Dave not your username everywhere?
(Oh right, it probably reminds you of a really crappy time in your life.)
ohenry78 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:25:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Realize their is an actual toilet 2ft from your bed. This is where people shit, sometimes whole you are trying to sleep.
Oh god, I'd be murdered shortly after getting in to prison.
I had my gallbladder taken out, and while this is generally not noticeable, a side effect has been that 20 minutes after eating breakfast I have a nasty, liquidy poop that smells horrible. It's like clockwork since the surgery. My cellmates would kill me :(
Nah youโd be good. You have to leave your cell for breakfast (like 5am). You just gotta be the first one back in the bunk after chow so you can hurry up and drop your liquidy deuce before your celly comes back!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone once introduced himself to me as "Chainsaw Pete."
I told him that I'd call him "Dildo Joe," if we are going to do dumbass nicknames.
Lol this guy named Gabe got hired, first day he introduces himself as "Spike" to everyone. Come lunch everyones wondering "so where did this spike nickname come from?" "Well all my buddies had cool nicknames so just started calling myself Spike because i think its cool" "You dont get to make your own nickname, Shitstain.." (he had this patch of dirt all over the back of his pants) Called him shitstain up until he got fired for sitting on the job too much lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of idiot calls themselves Tazerface?
CaptCaCa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hated going back and forth to court. Leaving: get in line, get naked, spread your cheeks, lift up your sack. Coming back: get in line, get naked, spread your cheeks, lift up your sack. Humilitating for sure. Talk about shrinkage. Thank god it was only male COs doing that job.
crymson7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love the nickname!
Just going to leave this here, hopefully it will give you a good laugh:
it would be an honor to do a shot with the machine
lmao, this guy is hilarious
crymson7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is awesome and I can't watch that video anywhere near work...I break into full blown belly laughing and giggles for the rest of the day. I have a huge creepy smile on my face right now just thinking about it. The whole story is beyond hilarious.
ha, no. i couldnt tell ya what book it was. something about a cowboy who had to save a lady or something. there was a river in the story, but then again i am probably describing every LL book.
All they need to do to scare people from going to jail (though being locked up with no escape would be a deterrent) is feed them the food. Gad that was some nasty fucking food
in case you have anything shoved up there. when you cough, you asshole sort of prolapses (sort of maybe?). anyways, this way they can see if you are holding any bags of drugs up there.
That show scared straight was so fake. While there are dick inmates i almost gurantee they wouldnt treat the avg new guy like that lol, buddy made a lot of friends and learned how to be a better dealer:/
rahtin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to share a room with a coworker when we would work out of town, and he almost murdered me for my bruxism. I'm amazed they let you keep your teeth, I can't imagine that annoyance going over too well with real criminals.
I use Plackers Grind No More. You can get them on Amazon and I cannot imagine life without them anymore. A dentist might try to sell you on a $1000 mouthguard, but of course ill let you make that decision.
Plackers says to use about 3 nights before throwing them out, but I can easily get a week out of one gaurd, so a package can easily last me 3 months.
yes, basically a one size fits all. try it and you will be amazed at how they look after one night. i was surprised how much i actually chew or grind in my sleep. plus they dont cost too much.
I mean, it wasnt too bad tbh. Then again I was just in the same block as people who are being detained or have to serve a few months. You are definitely not mixed up with any serious offenders like murders or rapists.
from what i understand, jail is there for short holdings and people who cant make bail and are awaiting to see a judge or sentencing. prison is for after the fact, where you go to for when the judge sentences you. but i am not entirely sure.
we have that as well. its called the pit and people are held there if the police know they can be released on bail. otherwise, they get transfered into the jail until they can see a judge.
Wow. Iโm impressed. Good on you for not falling into the trap, and apparently good on the US prison system. I didnโt think that they had the judgement.
Are you me in the future, man? I, according to family, grind my teeth, really, really, really loud. And I recently got a little plastic retainer that was a mould of my teeth, and I tore that in a few places.
Was is a pretty minor crime? My cousin was given the shock treatment and had to go to jail on the weekends for two years. She committed fraud while running her daycare (lied about how many kids she watched and for how long to get more money from the government). I think she shouldโve just been sent to prison.
cLitty_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why chainsaw dave isn't your username is beyond me
final fantasy 9 is my favorite game of all time and so i went with the protagonist. sadly, /u/chainsawdave looks to be taken. set up 7 months ago, but zero activity.
So true about the Louis Lamour books. Iโm a librarian and I used to liaise between the public library and the county jail. Always, always, more requests for Lamour. I even tried to get some of them to read something else but many preferred to read Lamour books over and over. Haiku and cookbooks were also popular. And true crime novels
When you said shock treatment I thought you were sent to some mental asylum like in the movies. I was wondering if that shit really happened.
As for your edit, I was excited when I saw "To answer what shock treatment is, the judge will usually" and then it went downhill from there :( -- it didn't fit my theory
Rnorman3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We knew a dude whose nickname was Chainsaw Colwell.
But he got his nickname from a story of him pulling anal beads out of his girlfriend really quickly, like he was trying to rip-start a chainsaw.
3 years of corrections work and he basically summed it up... at least jail life. Prison is similar just more sodomy.
kshucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to boot camp but not jail. To be honest, from what you explained (aside from the getting naked, spreading asshole and coughing), they sound similar.
I used to work in a used bookstore, we had one guy come in regularly and buy almost all our Louis L'Amours because there was such high demand for them in prisons- he donated them. I was always a bit surprised by that.
i still have select friends who call me that, but the novelty has sort of died off and i dont talk to many of them anymore. man, i dont know on the username, should of took it, but i was a huge ff9 fan at that the time.
Careful, mouth guards can alter how your neck/jaw muscles get loaded when you but down, which may result into neck pain and problems with vertebrae and discs. So if you develope neck pain/problems, take the mouth into account.
Jail is typically just adult indoor summer camp. It's really nothing but gambling, masterbaiting, eating wild canteen creations, working out and reading. All I did was work out and read, plus so many obscure card games. Idk if it's a shock really. I guess it depends on where this jail is: cook county Ill? Fuck that, Dade county lol fuck that too. But most places are fairly chill, so long as ur not having sex with children u should be alright.
Caedro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been trying to scratch that itch and havenโt been able to find a game for years. Just started trails of cold steel and I really like it. Any other good suggestions?
I was sentenced to jail for 3 months and did 67 days. Relentless anxiety for the months leading up to it, and then within like 10 minutes of being there I knew it was going to be fine. Walked into a room with like 30 dudes watching the prices is right. One person I knew from high school, two people I knew from college. The dorm had a cappuccino, snack, and soda vending machine.
Probably like 70% of the people there were barflys doing a couple months for their second DUI
20% non-violent, small time, drug dealers (me)
10% dads who couldn't(edit: /won't) pay child support
I worked in the kitchen for 12 hours a day, slept for 8, watched TV for 4.
srcarruth ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did a couple weeks in County and it was mostly tweakers who were doing their annual detox. It wasn't so bad because it was the calmest and chillest they ever were in their normal lives. One guy even made a big speech (turned off the TV) when he heard something racist "We all gotta fucking live here together"
I always boggle at the fucked up modern day debtors prison that puts dads in jail for not paying child support. โYou canโt pay your child support? Well good luck now you piece of shit!โ The logic is amazing.
Right? Your kid needs money for clothes and food but you cant pay so you're being sent a place where you will continue not being able to pay and when you get out you will have a hella hard time finding a job. The main loser in this situation is the child.
lolcat216 ยท 504 points ยท Posted at 18:22:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine from a therapy group was telling me that when he did a stint for a DUI he was surrounded by guys that didn't pay child support and that they actually knock off $40 per day that they're in there. I didn't think anything of it at the time but now I wonder if the state pays that to the provider of the child or what actually happens.
I'm almost 100% positive that the mother does not get that money
lolcat216 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:08:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I googled a little bit and found an article stating that in 2017 they made changes to the "rules" and it "allows states to set realistic child support amounts so that noncustodial parents don't accumulate debt they can't afford and get stuck in a cycle of incarceration." But so far I haven't found anything about them being able to knock already acquired debt off. Who knows maybe it was just someone talking out of their ass. You know..cause they're bored..in prison. I'm kind of wondering about this whole thing now so I may search around tonight a bit more.
The state will not start paying. The person not paying child support can be sent to jail for contempt of court, if they are not complying with a court order.
Child support is regulated by each state (with some federal laws involved as well, for example when parents live in different states). I'm not familiar with Ohio and I'm sure you are right.
Bmc169 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:33 on March 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The state definitely does not pay in Indiana, or at least we never got anything.
My dad died when I was 20 and when I was 18 he owed me around 20,000 in child support that a judge wrote off. Well when he died I got a lawyer to write up a letter to the state stating I had a right to that money and what not, I never got to read it. But anyways when he died he was approved for social security money and I got all the money he owed in child support sent to me in a check. It was amazing because my mother never spent a dime of it when he did pay on me. I never was allowed to ask for anything it was always a no. Iโm glad she didnโt get all that money and I did in the end. But I do realize Iโm one of very few who have been able to get the backpay.
The mother gets money whether you pay or not. The state collects arrears from you. They're paying the state with their time, but Mom already got the money.
I am assuming this is a case by case thing. Also, to go to jail for child support, you have to be pretty far in the rears. My best friend has a terrible situation where his ex will not work with him on anything, so he ended up behind on child support. He started a company and the first 1year it was open he made about 30% less in income than usual because he was having to get the business off the ground. When your income changes by 20% in my state you can petition to have your child support lowered. He did....the county didn't do it. As a result, he was paying a little over 50% of his income for child support while his ex-wife, who lived with their child at her parents place and had never worked a day in her life, lived over 500 miles a way and never let her travel to see him when she asked, except for the 6 weeks out of the summer he had custody .
Realizing he needed to get the business going so he could realistically support himself and his child, he called his ex and she agreed, to everyone's shock and amazement, on a flat amount each month that he could live with and she could live with, that was significantly lower than what he had been paying. He contacted his lawyer, said that if the courts agreed, they could suspend the child support at her request. Well, as you can guess, she never did officially make the request. She called, but she never officially signed off on it. So for 2 years she let his support payment debt rack up, all while taking his checks and instantly cashing them. She then goes to the courts, tells them that he hasn't been going through the proper channels to make payments, that he has been trying to convince her to take the small amount that he was sending her directly and that she was going to sue him for the amount he owed. Which she did. He even had proof of the agreement, but she denied the signature, or something like that, was hers. The county then threatened to throw him in jail so when he drove down to the courts he literally asked to be taken to jail so he wouldn't have to deal with this anymore. I could run his business for a few months or so, he could get time served and be done with it. He very nearly begged in court and was told he couldn't do that, even though that's the threat they used. They would not send him to jail at all no matter how he pleaded. So, while they did deduct what he had been paying her directly from what he now owed, that just barely covered all of the fines and fees they then hit him with which would very easily have been MUCH more than $40 a day. I can almost guarantee that they wouldn't throw him in jail just so the county could collect those fees for themselves. It's so surreal. Here by buddy is, a highly successful business owner in a large city, had a lawyer, did great in school just to get out of his hometown where most people end up dead or in a gang and tried to honor all of his agreements with his drain on society ex.....and they threw the fucking book at him. It's sickening dude. He now has to make 2 child support payments...they still haven't adjusted his income, plus the payments for the fees and rear payments. All in all he's now paying about 65% of his income to his child support.
She literally calls him every month to make sure he's going to pay and ALWAYS reminds him that she can and has sued him and won already....don't make her do it again.
lolcat216 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow...reading this literally made my stomach knot up from thinking about the stress that he was going through with the new business alone and then I thought deeper into it about him just wanting to have a life he can be proud of and provide for his child legitimately. I really hope his business is doing well and he's able to say Yeah, I've got your money. Every month on time just to kind of give her a little mental shoulder nudge.
He does and it's as bittersweet as it sounds. It's really crushing to watch and actually cost him his current relationship because his girlfriend of 7 years was tired of dealing with it herself, tired of any bit of disposable income going to her and, in Texas, if you have ever been behind in child support enough to be taken to courts, you are not allowed to leave the country for a few years. They had been planning on taking a huge trip to Japan for years.
The silver lining is, as his daughter has grown and matured it has become obvious that she has much more respect for her father than for her mother and I think in the end all he really cares about is being the better example for her.
Damn...it's just not right..and the saddest part about it is that I'm sure the ex doesn't even care. If anything it sounds like she'd have a laugh about it. It does sound like your friend is a resilient guy and will always make it and I'll always believe that after what he's had to go through.
Place and People for women who cannot afford their child.
Place and people for men who cannot afford their child.
Ginnut ยท 751 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny that I pay several hundred pounds a month in child support and also bought clothes and shoes for them.
When I got to see them, they would be dressed in shitty clothes and crap shoes. The mother's recycling bin would be full (and I mean fucking full) of prosecco bottles and boxes of Budweiser.
I risk going to jail for not paying her money but no one gives a shit what she spends it on.
I have a friend who is very wealthy but got divorced when he lived in cali. He has to pay a shitload of money every month in child / spouse support and is a great father to his kids when he sees them. The mom spends all her money to live a "trendy" lifestyle in the bay area in Cali and doesnt buy shit for the kids. He gets them in programs down there by directly paying for them to go and circumventing her.. It's dumb he cant even get his kids back because he's 1000000x the father figure than she is mother to them. They always show up to his place for visits in old shoes, clothes, etc when he sends thousands of dollars a month for them. So the only new stuff they ever get comes from their visits to him.. It makes me so mad
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 18:59:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lujanr32 ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My ex does this. Fuck her.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:41:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My husband's ex once sent my 9 year old stepdaughter here wearing size 4T shorts. I was livid. We got the message she was sending, but we didn't need it because we buy her nice clothes already. So, who lost in this situation? The child who had to walk around in uncomfortable shorts with her backside partly showing until we could get her home and changed, that's who.
I'm also divorced with kids and I would never even THINK of doing this to my kids. I will admit that before I met my husband, I had the idea that most women in these situations were doing the best they could while the men were mostly deadbeats. Then I met my husband and saw what he has to deal with... Talk about an eye opener. My kids hardly see their father (his choice), which is bad, but they are better off than my poor stepdaughter, who is used and manipulated every day by her mother.
cld8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:41:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had the idea that most women in these situations were doing the best they could while the men were mostly deadbeats.
That is not a coincidence. Feminist groups and the popular media do their best to spread this stereotype.
Elcheer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll pass
MiserylC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do it! Or you will be pulled into the net as well.
I don't send my daughter off with dirty, torn, homeless-esque clothes, but I'm not sending her off in her Sunday best, either. The nice clothes never come back; the nice, trendy clothes aren't cheap, either. But yeah, she's dressed in Wal-Mart chic whenever she goes with her dad.
You have to see things from both sides. But I'm luckier than many, I suppose. I have a great relationship with my exes family, so we coordinate to make sure everyone has nice clothes at their respective houses. He's just not super stable himself, so when he does have our daughter they spend a lot of time with his family.
We never went thru the courts (unmarried) and I've always tried to keep everything as civil as possible. I never asked for child support. What's good for him is good for my daughter; I loved him once and I'll always wish him the best in life.
Even though sometimes I'd like to just slap him upside the head...
Pay my ex-wife $4,200 and change every month. The kids come to my weekends wearing THE SAME three raggedy-ass outfits. Basically sweat pants and sweat shirts, or crappy shorts and tees. Same ones. Every weekend.
I buy them clothes out of my own paycheck to wear so they don't look homeless when we go out of the house. เฒ _เฒ
It's dumb he cant even get his kids back because he's 1000000x the father figure
That's the problem. California doesn't care about father figures. As long as a Mother is alive, she gets them. No matter how drugged out or crappy of a Mom she is.
Yeah at least i mean she's not drugged out or anything, she just puts herself and her lifestyle first at the expense of the kids. It's uber frustrating.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Life has a way of catching up to people who've hurt others in some way or refuse to be responsible.
That mother is probably gonna end up being dumped by her children at her most vulnerable moment. And it won't even be because they hate her, it'll be because she never taught them to put others first.
Oh i garuntee those kids will move up to where we live as soon as they hit 18 and can. The father is an awesome guy, he literally fly's down to cali every weekend almost to go to sporting events etc. just to get little bits of time in with them, or to make it to their bring their parent to school day etc. He also drives down there and takes them camping a ton as well, the mom is fine with having the dad take the kids on teh weekend if they're down there because then it frees her time up to go out and party with her "freinds"
Orrr i dont live in Cali and the kids are 6 and 8.. I know them super well, so instead of 18 i garuntee you then will move up at 14... This doesnt change the situation at all.. You're just a dick, congratulations
You're telling me that, in all of his time telling you all these details you're relaying to us here, your friend hasn't once mentioned when his kids can choose to live with him?
There wasn't anything passive about it. It was a fairly direct accusation. If cs_katalyst is so familiar with every other minute detail of their buddy's custody situation, you don't think his buddy would have mentioned when his kids can decide to live with him?
I'm looking at the story with a critical mind. I'd say I'm sorry for not following along with the circle jerk, but I'm really not.
I'm not up to date with the Cali laws, and the kids are still young so it hasn't really been brought up with minute details as to when / what they're going to do at a certain point..
The fact of the matter is, the mom literally funds her lifestyle with spouse support / child support while doing the bare minimum for the kids. She didnt even move up to our state with him prior to the divorce because she wants to live in the Bay Area badly because that's where her freinds are (eventhough she has no job to root her there) which is part of the reason they separated.. He always was the provider for the entire family and since she refuses to move he has to pay spousal support along with child support for that area. The kids hardly even know their mom because she goes out with her friends all the time. They spend more quality time with their dad because he actually makes an effort to be there pretty much all the time that he can.
Facts don't make you an asshole, assuming you know more than everyone makes you an asshole.
Making assumptions about someone else's situation that you know next to nothing about, just because those assumptions fit some stupid narrative you've thoroughly bought into, makes you an asshole.
But more than anything, you are the one making you an asshole. A very slight change of attitude could have made your initial comment helpful, but instead you'd rather be the errant internet knight with a chip on your soldier. Good luck with that.
The truly terrible crime is that family court favors keeping kids with the mothers regardless of age almost arbitrarily. Statistics show that the children of broken harms are far more likely to end up in criminal court and those raised by single mothers are almost twice as likely to commit suicide.
The effect of being raised by a single mother can be so profound I swear I can call it when I meet people now.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sources? Im genuinely interested to see. Considering divorce myself.
Obviously if you go to reddit for suggestions its pretty skewed as most people on it seem to see divorce as a get our jail free card. I would highly reccomend that any man considering divorce with children in the mix work very hard to improve himself and fix the family, not push it away. I have helped several friends through very similarly described situations and would be confident is saying their relationships and lives are better than they ever have been.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:46:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like your assumption that the husband needs to improve himself. As if it's always the guy's fault.
I never meant to imply that it was always the guy's fault. People have often varied opinions on how relationships should work so I understand how that could be taken poorly. My comment was in fact directed directly to men and it suggests they work on themselves. The reason being that you cannot change others and even if you do they will resent you for it. By improving yourself you are displaying that you are to be valued. This can be a tool to change your partners outlook of you and also the way they act around you which can definitely improve both of your lives.
Tl;dr it might not be your fault but its just as much in your ability to try and fix it, therefore, your duty.
Ambralin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sad world we live in to have to focus so much on the manโs responsibility. And I do mean have, if you want to keep the children. Your advice is nothing but accurate in regards to a court of law, in this day and age, in the US.
Other than legally, I donโt believe staying together โfor the kidsโ is always a good option. Suffer yourself to keep the typical nuclear family together. Personally, there is no right option. Legally though, there sadly is.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like your assumption that the husband needs to improve himself. As if it's always the guy's fault.
It's not always the guy's fault, but the guy is the one who will be screwed over financially in case of a divorce (assuming he has a higher income), so he has more of an incentive to save the marriage.
Something about your interpretation about these studies seems off to me. So where are the fathers of all these kids of single mothers? Are the fathers in the picture or did they essentially physically and financially abandon their kids? What are the stats for kid's raised by single fathers?
bufedad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:38:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mothers are often allowed to prevent the father(s) from seeing their children.
There is a reason divorced men commit suicide ten times as much as divorced women.
You're telling me that the American court allows this? From what I understand, a father can only be prevented from seeing his kid for an extended period of time if the court approves no visitation and for that to happen, the other parent will need to provide legitimate evidence that the father is unfit to parent. For a father to not even get supervised visitation, you would need proof that he is physically or sexually abusive towards the children or has an alcohol or drug addiction.
WTF are you even talking about??? How the fuck can a mother legally prevent the father from seeing his child? CALL THE POLICE! The police will give you a record of "Visitation Interference" and in a lot of states, that is a punishable CRIME in which the mother can face serious repercussions. If the mom won't let you in the house to get the kids, get your attorney involved. Do tradeoffs in the parking lot of the police station --> that might not be an ideal situation for your kids but never seeing their father again is way more damaging, provided the dad is a good and loving dad.
Any father that falls for that bullshit is a fucking idiot. in the case a mother is preventing the father from seeing his kid and he is NOT an abusive POS criminal druggy and has court mandated order stating he has visitation the father can just CALL THE FUCKING POLICE! CALL your attorney. What the mother is doing is legally a fucking CRIME.
holy fuck. this is the biggest load of bullshit. So what are are you saying, your ex says no you can't see your own children so the father just gives up and never gets the proper legal channels involved because it is too much effort and just gives up on ever seeing his kids again? In that case that father doesn't deserve to be a father if he can give up on seeing his kids so easily. All I hear is excuses from fathers who don't want a dose of truth and don't want to admit they gave up so easily even though they claim they love their kids.
Also I get that you are saying that divorce is tougher on a man than a woman but these fathers who are forever abandoning their kids. Divorced men (or women) with underage kids committing suicide is one of the rare times I think suicide is selfish even if it is caused by the father suffering from a mental disease like depression because now they have deprived their child of ever having a bond or ever being supported mentally or financially by their fathers or mothers. Maybe I am wrong or misguided for believing this but you have certain duties when you become a parent and they are duties you cannot shirk until your kid is at the very least a legal adult no matter how tough your life is. In this day and age, you can find the information and knowledge to find help for yourself. I have attempted suicide but I don't think suicide is a 100% pardonable act in all cases.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:49 on April 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're telling me that the American court allows this?
I'm telling you they don't stop it. Unless you've got the money to burn on an attorney and keep taking her to court, the judge is just going to warn her and send her on her way.
that is a punishable CRIME in which the mother can face serious repercussions.
You do realize that the justice systems loathes punishing women. Even for egregious offenses. The mother who left her children (12 and under) home alone while she spend two weeks in Europe was sentenced to... wait for it... probation. She left them home alone with a gun. Probation.
Any father that falls for that bullshit is a fucking idiot.
Every father tries once or twice.
in the case a mother is preventing the father from seeing his kid and he is NOT an abusive POS criminal druggy and has court mandated order stating he has visitation the father can just CALL THE FUCKING POLICE!
Police will not do anything (mostly because they don't have any way of knowing what the actual ruling states or what is the latest custody agreement). If they actually decide to do something, all she has to do is say she's afraid of her husband, and that her child is afraid of her husband and it's a done deal.
CALL your attorney. What the mother is doing is legally a fucking CRIME.
If you can afford to keep calling an attorney. Yes, this is a crime, but no one's going to punish it.
your ex says no you can't see your own children so the father just gives up and never gets the proper legal channels involved because it is too much effort and just gives up on ever seeing his kids again?
People have spent $100,000+ over a decade fighting this fight. Do you have that much sitting around?
Hell, people have spent that much money, and it still not resulted in the judge holding the mother accountable.
Also I get that you are saying that divorce is tougher on a man than a woman but these fathers who are forever abandoning their kids.
How many abandon their kids and how many are forced out of their lives? You don't know. No one does.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reading stories like this really makes me ok with what I pay for child support... His mother and I donโt get along the best (obviously or weโd still be together) but golly sheโs a good mom. I donโt know if Iโd be able to handle some of these situations I see other guys going through.
I really don't understand it. If chips support is so prevalent, why isn't there a system in place to ensure the money is spent in a way that supports the child? why is it so unregulated?
Hirudin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because the child is simply the excuse to transfer the money from the father to the mother. It was never about the child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont get why paying child support has to be so expensive.
My parents were rich, but I didnt find out that until they died in a car crash when I was 12 and I finally inherited it all. We lived a normal life, they spent a decent amount of money on themselves, we had a nice house, decent cars and they liked to go out to nice restaurants etc, but I always had to work up money to buy what I wanted, and getting any toys outside of birthdays/christmas was outrageous.
You sure as hell dont need to spend thousands of dollars on a kid every month, by doing that you are just spoiling them rotten. Why anyone would ever have to pay that amount in child support is beyond me, no matter how fat your bank account may be.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because child support isn't really for supporting the child. It's a money transfer to mothers from fathers.
If you thunk of it this way ite explains a few things.
1) Why deadbeat moms child support requirements aren't enforced.
2) Why moms interfering with visitation isn't dealt with.
3) Why mothers almost always get custody
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a whole different story by itself, but I agree. If I lost custody of my child (I dont have any children, but just as a thought), meaning that 300+ days a year they would be with their mother I should at max have to pay half of their living expenses for those days, and all of this should be at some kind of maximum.
You should in no way have to support the other parent, that is just plain wrong.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IF you were paying to support the child, then you would be required to pay what it cost to support a child (or half that).
Instead your are paying a portion of your yearly income. That isn't needed to support a child.
And I can assure you that the first time it was attempted, the courts threw the request in the trash. Never attempted again.
_TheGeoff ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:48:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wonder what the repurcussions would be of setting up an escrow/trust so that the cash was available for purchases, but a responsible 3rd party could block alcohol/tobacco/gambling purchases etc?
Ginnut ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:08:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theres something I believe is called a Family Agreement (I think, it might not be exactly that) where you buy a certain amount of shopping/nappies/milk or pay for clothes and education. She wouldn't agree to it.
I'd like to see the credit card system updated to do this. Enabling cards for purchase filtering could have other benefits too, e.g. parents could setup cards for their college kids that could be used for fixing the car but not alcohol.
Honestly. The snap food stamp program is monitored. I don't see why this can't be
Hirudin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:19:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why this can't be
because then the custodial parent couldn't blow the money on nights out with the girls.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly. The snap food stamp program is monitored. I don't see why this can't be
Feminist groups would throw a fit and scream sexism. "WHY SHOULD MEN BE ABLE TO CONTROL WOMEN LIKE THAT!"
c0mpg33k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered why that wasn't the case
Sachman13 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:50:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you should be able to take custody if you think you can give them a better life, it's certainly what I would look into.
Morrdsith ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately in Canada anyways, it seems like the father has to prove heโs a good parent and the mother can just SAY heโs not.
I have a pretty unusual look into the system, my two boys have different dads, the first was a deadbeat and didnโt see his kid for an entire year. Had to have a surgery and be on medical EI so we agreed that his health was more important than child support so he could recover and just pick up his $200/mo payments when he was back at work and on his feet. 3 years later my then 5 year old told me he wanted to hurt himself so his dad would come see him in the hospital and he hadnโt paid me a cent since the surgery, I fought and begged him to just CALL his kid and have a relationship, donโt care about money etc and he would say one thing and do another. Court came so I could have parenting responsibilities allocated to me, I didnโt even WANT full guardianship, just the major decisions to me because he was always AWAL. He stood in front of a judge and told him that I kept his kid from him for years and that he paid me every month. Except I had every text message, email, etransfer every between us. To save face he asked for every second weekend of access and now owes $60,000 in back child support, I agreed to only go after the $200 we verbally agreed on because he was SUPPOSED to be paying me $500+. Money wasnโt an issue. Heโs still a part time dad and refuses to parent past 5:30 pm on a Sunday. Never been to any school functions etc.
My second sons father and I just knew we were not going to survive as a couple, we had known each other since kids and things just escalated and now we have a child together. He has been in his sons life every single step of the way, been the first to show up at drs office for appointments, soccer games etc. He has another son with a girl who dragged him, myself AND his fiancรฉ through the mud in court. Claims his fiancรฉ is a coke addict, she works for our hospital and had to be drug tested to prove otherwise and was investigated at work.
Said I would drop my kid off at all hours of the morning just because I couldnโt handle three kids at once (I had my third baby by this time) lies about him being an alcoholic and sleeping around. Harassed his fiancรฉ on social media and sent her photos of him naked saying they were sleeping together (he had two new tattoos on his forearms that were not in the photos so we knew they were at least 2 years old) physically assaulted him while holding their son ON SURVEILLANCE camera, drive passed his house multiple times a day, used her Seasonal Affective Disorder and anxiety as a crutch for her behaviour and still insisted he was a danger to his kid. All of this and a judge believed her every single word, my ex and his fiancรฉ had to drain their life savings and down payment for their house to PROVE her wrong. She showed up representing herself with no evidence just her parents and her entire posse of shitty friends as โwitnessesโ and we had print out texts, emails, CPS reports from when SHE was investigated and lied and he still had to prove she was the unfit one and just wanted to see his son. He won, but he now works three jobs while his fiancรฉ stays home to save on daycare because it broke them financially. All because this crazy bitch was jealous he was marrying someone else, who is amazing with our kids.
Our family justice system is so flawed itโs pathetic.
Morrdsith ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:38:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is. Iโm a mom, I fully believe that you SHOULD pay child support for a child you both created. Mom OR dad. I donโt believe that child support is payment to see a child though. Which legally, it is not. However I have far too many friends and family who have had to drain themselves financially to get rights to see their kids only to have to pay child support ON TOP of trying to now dig out of this hole they are in.
If a mother takes a child away from the father, he has to prove and fight for access. If a father were to do this, amber alerts issued and a man hunt ensues and he again has to prove and fight the right to give his kids the best chance at life.
Itโs so ass backward and Iโm so very proud of the fact that I see the bigger picture. My eldest son loves his dad, his dad is his super hero and I canโt stand the fucking moron. My son has never, and will never know how much the very sight of his father fills me with rage for what he did. If one day heโs been disappointed enough and decides to not see his father, that will be HIS decision and he will be able to say with 100% certainty that I had nothing to do with it.
tempski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never forget who chose to procreate with said, and I quote: "fucking moron"
Did you read everything else? Or just decide to get hooked on that one sentence? Iโm well aware that idiot me decided to have unprotected sex, Iโm also aware that the โfucking moronโ decided to bow out of his responsibility the moment he became aware that we would never get back together and I was no longer a source of constant sex for him.
I can co-parent well and am aware that my child didnโt ask for any of this. Thereโs MUCH more to this situation than I told obviously, like when I informed him when I became pregnant that he could walk away, no fathers name on birth certificate, no responsibility to said child because I could not follow through with an abortion for my own mental health. He chose to stay.
I also didnโt dive into the fact he couldnโt be bothered to call his son while working out of town because it was too hard to but maintained a relationship with another girl for years during the same time. Canโt maintain a relationship with a child, but can with somewhere to put his dick?
I also didnโt go into detail about my sons therapy sessions in which he broke down and let all his hurt and anger out, just wanted his daddy to love him. Where he told therapist he thought about cutting his arms or legs so he would have to go to the hospital. Then once in the hospital his daddy would worry about him and come see him. The long phone conversations I had with his father over the phone, coddling him and telling him I know he is scared or whatever but his son really needs him. The amount of times heโs said over and over heโs going to try and then ghosts for months. The FIVE times the therapist contacted him over a year to get him to participate in a session with our son to further his healing.
The time I picked my sobbing son up off a Home Depot floor because he spotted his father in the store. The first time he saw him in 8 months, he broke down and collapsed on the floor. That fucking moron told him to stop making a scene. A child. He helped father but never parented. Having to tell my son every single time we drove passed that store that daddy loves him so so much and is just trying to get his life ready for them because he would ask to stop and see if his dad would come back to that store.
Our relationship was pretty easy when we were together. Having a baby changed it for the worse, he was a child and I wasnโt about to raise them both. I knew what I was getting myself into, and I knew that co-parenting was going to be a challenge we would have to work together for. What I didnโt know was that every single time I had to piece my poor boyโs heart back together and reinforce how much his daddy loved him, retell the story of how we picked his name, how excited his daddy was for his birth, it would make me absolutely loathe that fucking moron with every fiber of my being.
Yea I procreated with him. I cared for him at that time, his choices made him a fucking moron. Not mine.
tempski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope every woman on reddit reads this post before they decide to become a single mom.
The times I've read "I don't need no man, I can raise my baby alone" is crazy. Those women don't know what they are doing to their future kid.
The way to do it is to date someone for a number of years, really get to know them. Marry them. Live together for a few more years and then have kids if you are certain your relationship will last. Obviously before you decide to have kids, you discuss this with your partner - you don't decide on your own hoping it's what will keep the guy on the hook or that he will love you after you saddle him with such a responsibility.
Unfortunately feminists told us that a woman can have it all and do it all without needing a man around. Your story tells us why a man is needed and I hope others learn from your story.
For me, I have heard those stories more than once. The most heart breaking one was a kid that tried to kill himself taking pills because his daddy didn't love him.
Read up on the stats of kids from single moms. Higher suicide rate, higher criminal rate, higher drug abuse rate, more likely to become an alcoholic... I could go on for days.
Being a single mother was one of the hardest things I ever had to do. Not financially or physically. I got off my ass, got a phenomenal job and made bank to take care of my boys. Emotionally and mentally it is the HARDEST thing I have ever had to deal with, because it wasnโt MY mental health at stake.
The kids are my number one at all times, even when I met my now husband, he was aware I didnโt party, I didnโt go out on weekends and my boys were always first in my mind. We spent many nights watching movies with my kids and didnโt actually go out on a real date until we were 8 months into dating. I refused to take time away from raising my very young kids. It was so hard, and I did lose myself in those years but I chose to parent these children and Iโd do it all over again.
Heโs a good man and a fantastic role model for my children. I knew I wasnโt going to make the same mistakes again for another child and when he wanted to talk babies I told him to put a ring on it first. He didnโt want marriage and I was okay with that. Just no more kids. We are now married and have a beautiful baby girl, I made damn sure he and his family would enrich my kidsโ lives not cause more heart ache. Good family with good morals.
Ladies, babies are NOT a pay check, they are NOT YOUR possessions to take owner ship over. If you are keeping your kids from a father who desperately wants to be a part of their kidsโ lives, feel free to message me. I can go into great detail about my 8 year old childโs extensive therapy and mental health issues. The torment all of this has put him through and how we struggle daily to encourage him and discourage his self deprecation he goes through every time he thinks heโs not good enough because his dad didnโt show up again. 8 years old and he has all these issues.
Iโll gladly tell you about my 6 year old and how he thrives, how he lights up when he sees his mom, step dad, dad and step mom all laughing and cheering him on at soccer games, school plays, parent teacher conferences. How I gained a best mom friend and how we send each other mom life memes all day long even though her first child is also my child. How his dad and I can phone one another up and discuss things like civil human beings and see the other side when we do disagree.
The difference it has had on both children is astronomical. Thankfully my husband has made sure my 8 year old doesnโt notice that missing seat on the sidelines and that heโs always there for him to introduce to his new teacher every year. It still crushes him, but get over your own shit and let these men parent like they desperately want to. Your kids need it
Ambralin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, both the mother and father should have the option to opt-out of parenthood when done early enough, and as such avoid child-support. I believe Iโd heard this was a thing in Sweden.
Thank you. I do not want my kids to look back at their childhood and regret anything I did or anything I said.
None of them chose to be born, none of them chose who I had sex with. Their fathers are their other halves, even though I hate one, my son has NEVER heard me say it. We talk about his aunts and uncles on his dads side, he comes home and tells me all about his time at his dads. And I get excited with him, and I ask about his family. Iโm a product of a separated family too, I learnt from some experiences.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my mom did the same (not on alcohol but just on other personal shit for herself/my step dad) and it never occurred to me that the child support was supposed to be for ME, the child
c0mpg33k ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:05:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya on that one mate. I've got sole custody of my kid. My ex keeps wanting more and more and more access and yet do you think she has to pay a damn dime in child support? NOPE all because she's a welfare (forgot the british term for it but it's money paid to people who are down on their luck so they aren't homeless) bum and works under the table. I bring up proof of that fact after I sue her for child support my son is rightfully owed from her and do you think anyone cares? NOPE NOT ONE FUCKING BIT. Our system is fucked in that women can not pay their ordered support and get away with it but men if you don't pay well then fuck you
NOPE all because she's a welfare (forgot the british term for it but it's money paid to people who are down on their luck so they aren't homeless) bum
On the "dole" is the british term if i remember right.
Ginnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She occasionally claimed I could have custody but then refused to actually talk about it.
c0mpg33k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a total twat
lujanr32 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:03:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because judges and courtrooms have the mentality of the child support being a payback to mom because she has already "spent money already on utilities, clothes, food, etc". So if she wants her nails did or wants to waste the child support money on booze that's on her. At least it's off your conscience.
Pretty sure you could request proof of what she's spending the money on and then use it to get custody of your kids (assuming you want that). Stopping by and going through her trash to get proof of alcoholism wouldn't hurt, but check that trash/recycling out on the curb is considered public so you don't get accused of trespassing.
Unless you live in states where the default belief of judge and jury is that fathers are evil and mothers are saints. Then you're out of luck.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you could request proof of what she's spending the money on
Most states don't allow that. As long as the mother is meeting the child's basic needs, the money is hers to spend as she wishes.
This always pisses me off. My uncle was paying thousands for his two kids and my aunt never spent a DIME of it on them. She is a shopoholic that has expensive taste in clothes. Meanwhile, they live in rags and anything they bring from their dad's is sold to pay for her habits.
This is why it's all a scam and needs to be abolished
Hirudin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:58:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Child support were actually for the child, there would be some method ensuring that the money is actually spend on something the child benefits from. It's not, because child support has always been a thin veneer or an excuse to justify an additional entitlement for single women.
Why not ask for primary custody? Based on pounds I can tell you arenโt in the US, but half of dadโs who ask for primary custody get it
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
half of dadโs who ask for primary custody get it
It's rare for dads to get primary custody. That statistic is skewed by the fact that only dads who have an excellent chance of getting primary custody (for example, if the mother is beating the child) even bother asking. Without solid evidence of abuse or some other valid reason, the lawyer will usually tell the dad not to bother asking.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Half of fathers who ask for custody get some form of custody. That includes just two weeks during the summer, or every other weekend.
Also, you'll notice that study didn't cover wether or not said custody wad enforced.
As a single mother whoโs struggling due to the childโs father being a psychotic POS- Iโm sorry that sheโs not enforced to spend the money on things for the child. If she spent it on her electric bill one month but your child had a whole new wardrobe than yeah- itโs taking care of the kid.
But sheโs literally stealing from the child by not spending that money towards the basic needs to live.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Shut your mouth and bend over, pay pig!"
Hirudin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:59:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse considering that women are the only ones who actually get to make the decision to have the child.
198_Dudes ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Mens Rights. This is what it is all about.
kataskopo ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:53:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they had more stuff like this, with actual people drafting laws and doing something, and less "feminism sucks amirite fellas" in their subreddit, they wouldn't be such a joke.
Kered13 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:56:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How are they going to draft laws when (to my knowledge) no politician has ever been elected on a Men's Rights platform?
When people stop knowing them as dumb, maybe one day a politician will run on that platform. Until then, nope.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When people stop knowing them as dumb, maybe one day a politician will run on that platform. Until then, nope.
People know them as dumb because that's what feminists portray them as. I thought MRAs were dumb too, until I actually read their literature and realized they are not at all like what feminists claim.
I would highly recommend everyone watch the movie "The Red Pill" by Cassie Jaye.
Ah yes, those dastardly feminist are at it again -__- they are thecause of all men's problems, women, amirite fellas?
morerokk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:01:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, opposing feminism is still well within the realm of men's rights. At least, until feminism stops supporting the Duluth Model.
with actual people drafting laws and doing something
Raising awareness is a pretty good first step. You're basically criticizing /r/MensRights for not being influential enough to incite mass change.
kataskopo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm criticising mensright because they ar super dumb.
I know about the Duluth model, but if you don't look at it in an historical context you're misleading yourself. Ther was nothing before that, husband's could rape their wives with no issue, there was zero protection for women.
cld8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know about the Duluth model, but if you don't look at it in an historical context you're misleading yourself. Ther was nothing before that, husband's could rape their wives with no issue, there was zero protection for women.
I have no idea why the "historical context" is relevant, but even if it were, you are wrong. There have been laws against domestic violence for decades.
Hirudin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:45:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ther was nothing before that, husband's could rape their wives with no issue, there was zero protection for women.
Absolutely and totally false. Historically women were the only gender to have protection from domestic violence. Even going back as far as we have records.
That has nothing to do with feminists still supporting the duluth model.
Did you know that in cases of nonreciprocal IPV (intimate partner violence), where one partner abuses the other and there is not mutual abuse, the primary perpetrators are women? (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/)
In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.
And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being โmade to penetrateโโeither by physical force or due to intoxicationโat virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).
In other words, if being made to penetrate someone was counted as rapeโand why shouldnโt it be?โthen the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women.
Feminism is actively lobbying for policies that ignore/hurt men. That's why an MRA would have an anti-feminist position.
kataskopo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have a source on those feminist lobbying for policies that damage men? Because that sounds like an alt-right fantasy and not reality.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have a source on those feminist lobbying for policies that damage men? Because that sounds like an alt-right fantasy and not reality.
There are lots. For example, Florida had a bill for alimony reform a few years ago. Feminists lobbied hard and killed it.
NOW opposes courts starting with joint custody of children as the default position in custody disputes instead of women being the custodial parent as the default.
NOW endorses the FBI's definition of rape which excludes "made to penetrate" as being rape.
The Duluth Model is feminist theory in which men are presumed to be the perpetrators of IPV and women the victims, even though in nonreciprocal IPV women are the perpetrators 70% of the time. Also note that lesbian relationships have the highest rate of IPV.
If you want to really see how feminism feels about domestic violence towards men check out Erin Pizzey. She founded what is considered to be the first shelter for battered women. She became a pariah however after trying to also open a shelter for men. She has been ostracized by feminist groups for treating domestic violence as a non-gendered issue.
Hirudin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ther was nothing before that, husband's could rape their wives with no issue, there was zero protection for women.
You just said this. Did you forget?
men could not legally "beat" their wives. Laws have existed ensuring wives enjoyed "the security of the peace" against their husbands since before Blackstone's Commentaries, which was a compendium of already existing laws in England and Wales. Interestingly, there was nothing within the law forbidding a woman from assaulting her husband. As recently as the early 1900s (when states in the US began banning corporal punishment), men in the US were publicly flogged for beating their wives. It was the preferred punishment for men, as fines and prison (which could also be applied) were seen as causing deprivation to the wife (fines came out of the family purse, and men in prison can't earn income).
Men had no similar right to security of the peace against their wives. It was understood that a man could, and therefore would, demand respect from his wife, and he needed no similar legal remedies to protect him. The most he could do was make a complaint that she was a "scold", which was punishable by a version of scarlet letter, or in extreme cases, ducking. No jail, no fines, no flogging.
More often, situations of domestic violence by the wife against the husband were handled off the books, via traditions such as the Skimmington Ride, or riding the donkey backwards. Basically, the man was shamed by the community, in a vigilante manner, for his wife's abuse. Granted, the wife would also suffer a loss of esteem within the community, but again, she was not the one tied to a donkey's back and paraded around town for people to throw rotten vegetables at.
198_Dudes ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1) No subreddit is perfect.
2) Every subreddit has there fare share of assholes.
3) If you go into MR and put up a post, 'I think your position on such and such is incorrect, can we discuss it?' You won't be banned and you will get discussion.
On point 3 - just try that on a feminist sub. Bans are handed out quickly. In fact they have a rule that if you post on MR you get a ban automaticaly for posting and have no right or ability to say anything at all.
So improvement is needed but we are open to it. There is no openness in the femuniverse.
Also a few of there stances don't really jive with me. Some things are very important to me - like fathers rights, other things I wish they would just shut the fuck up about - like circumcision. I reserve the right to hold my own opinions.
werd608 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:00:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there really a rule on feminist subs where you get banned for posting on MR subs? I generally avoid feminist subs due to horrible experiences trying to talk with some of them irl, and assumed that over the interwebs those experiences would be multiplied and applied to nearly all converations.
198_Dudes ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:15:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
I don't post a ton on MR. As I hinted at, I am choosy with topics. Some things are important to me, others not. If you looked through my history you would find posts - but you would find many more posts to different subreddits.
But I do browse it.
We get a LOT of new people that start out with, 'Can anyone explain why I was banned for asking a question in ask a femminist?'
MR allows it. You can challenge us. The only thing anyone asks is some respect, you are in our house not yours.
Saying, 'I disagree because of this...' is awesome. I welcome it - not enough of it is out there. But saying 'I can't believe I am here. You guys are all assholes. I never thought I would be here...'. I wish those people would just stay the fuck away.
Are there knuckleheads whom I wish would go the fuck away and only serve to give us a bad name??? YES.
I am not sure what to do about it though. We have some incredibly important core issues.
werd608 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, are yoy a mod in any of the subs? If so, what is your current method of moderation (for lack of a better word). As far as rights in general goes, I limit my exposure to documentaries, the last one I saw in relation to MR I think was called Takeing the Red Pill (or something along those lines). Where a feminist would investigate MRA points. It was pretty enjoyable and eye opening. Sorry if the post went off topic.
No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't want to mod that group or any other.
There are some things I disagree with (financial abortion) and things that I just don't enjoy talking about (circumcision) and way too many assholes.
To mod a group like that you kind of have to tow the line. I refuse to tow the line for anyone. I am a free soul. I just feel strongly about some stuff that they feel strongly about. So I read it.
werd608 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you also disagree with the fact that a woman can have an abortion when her boyfriend/husband wants to keep the baby or do only women get to choose and guys only get the bill?
This is a very complicated issue that in my eyes falls apart because only women can get pregnant. Eqaultiy being equal and all that... it kind of falls apart with this issue because only one sex can get pregnant.
There is a lot not to like about divorce, custody, who is charged what in child support. In a lot of ways we could do better if we threw it all in the garbage and started over.
But I am not a fan of financial abortion. I think it is a bad, bad deal for the kids. I think that Fathers are incredibly important - and currently undervalued in society.
Maybe someone doesn't want to be a Dad at 18? Maybe they will at 28. I don't want to do anything to destroy that possibility.
I can't stop someone from being an asshole or ignoring responsibility.
This is why I wouldn't want to mod the group. This is a topic that gets a lot of talk in there and I don't agree with the party line on it.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that if a woman gets to choose to have an abortion or not, which by the way, I'm completely for - it's her body and she can decide whatever she wants to do with it - the same option should be given to the man.
If he doesn't want the baby and the woman decides she wants to keep it why does the man have to pay for it?
I thought you were for equality, or is that only when it benefits you?
I am for equality. But there is a problem with this.
Men cannot have babies and Men cannot force a women to have an abortion.
Let me state clearly that the idea of forced abortion is something I look at with great horror.
But, if you want eqaulity that is what would need to happen.
And it cannot happen. So we are faced with a fucked up situation that becomes even more fucked up when a brand new person enters the world.
The situation is complicated and throwing up your arms, giving the woman the finger and calling it 'her problem' is incredibly self centered. There is a lot of work to be done on everything that comes next, but I cannot support this idea.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it's wrong to force a woman to do something (abort), but it's alright to force a man to do something (pay up).
Her body, her choice, her responsibility to pay for her choice.
In our society, rights come with responsibilities. That's only fair.
Forcing the man to pay for a child he didn't consent to have is extremely unfair. That's financial rape.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:07:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there really a rule on feminist subs where you get banned for posting on MR subs?
It's not officially stated, but a couple years ago a lot of people who posted on certain subs (mensrights among them) received ban notices from twoxchromosomes and feminism. There was some discussion about it violating Reddit rules but I don't think anything came of it.
werd608 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I've heard, I want to try and say this without picking a side (I already know its gonna be impossible tho) but it doesn't surprise me that nothing came from complaining with online "feminists."
I was going to say people but due to the context of these conversations this would have been implied.
morerokk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there really a rule on feminist subs where you get banned for posting on MR subs?
Yes, several. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single feminist subreddit that doesn't censor. It seems like a tendency inherent to the movement itself.
And in contrast, /r/MensRights does not have to censor anyone at all. And they don't.
werd608 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That really puts things into perspective.
kataskopo ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some weird subs ban you if you post in other alt-right subs, but I don't usually comment in subs I'm not subbed.
There's 2Xchromosome that I think is good, and trollxchromosome that it's fun lol. I don't think it's such a problem.
werd608 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know about twoxchromosomes and enjoy reading some of the stories(I dont post much there though). I think in general I avoid political/strongly opinioned areas. I'd rather spend my time in the funnies, bur every now and again its good.
EmeraldDS ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:16:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. This is why I unsubbed from /r/MensRights. I believe in men's rights and that men need more rights in some areas, but MRAs come off as almost misogynistic in some cases, and even when they don't, they seem to think that bashing feminism is more helpful for men's rights than actually campaigning for laws that will help men, or campaigning for some of the social stigma against men being emotional/whatever to go away.
spar101 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:24:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every time there are laws attempting to ensure more equal parenting or alimony reform, NOW and other feminist groups lobby and protest against it
In addition, when men attempt to gather to discuss certain issues where they face discrimination, feminists show up to protest, assault people and pull fire alarms
When men bring up certain laws in society that discriminate against them, feminists use mental gymnastics to justify it or say how it's really benevolent sexism towards women and the answer is more feminism
EmeraldDS ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know plenty of pro-MR feminists. And even if feminism was directly harmful to the men's rights movement, why would you have a movement with the primary purpose of dismantling another movement? I'm not saying you can't have discourse about feminism, but that /r/MensRights is so hyperfocused on bashing feminism that I see no actual men's rights activism other than the occasional "reminder that fathers are great!" or whatever, which doesn't really do anything.
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And even if feminism was directly harmful to the men's rights movement, why would you have a movement with the primary purpose of dismantling another movement?
Because when a movement is directly against your interests, you have to attack it directly in order to accomplish anything.
To give you an example, feminists will oppose any attempt at alimony reform, on the grounds that it will reduce income for women. How can men's rights people advocate for alimony reform without going up against feminism directly? People say they should advocate for men without hurting women, but in this case, it obviously cannot happen that way.
The environmental movement has to attack the "drill baby drill" movement head on. There is no other way.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in that subreddit regularly A lot of the "feminism sucks" posts are from feminist trolls trying to discredit them. Ignore those posts and read the ones with substance, you will learn a lot.
larlyssa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at r/menslib. All the discussion without the toxicity.
bufedad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:31:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, if you were raped by a woman, you can discuss it here... as long as you do it in a way that doesn't offend women, or make them feel oppressed.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Menslib is a feminist sub in disguise.
morerokk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that the place where a disturbing amount of men had suicidal thoughts due to their "male guilt"? A toxic place like that is clearly not a place where you would want to hang out, if you ask me.
And make no mistake, MensLib is a feminist subreddit. It is not a men's sub by any means. Did you find a way in which feminism hurts men? Well too bad, constructive criticism of feminism is not allowed. You gotta wonder why every single feminist subreddit mass-censors its users, whereas /r/MensRights does not have to.
Hirudin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going to r/menslib to discuss men's rights is like going to a weight loss sub where no one is allowed to use the word "diet."
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in that subreddit regularly A lot of the "feminism sucks" posts are from feminist trolls trying to discredit them. Ignore those posts and read the ones with substance, you will learn a lot.
I was chatting recently with a friend who didn't know what MRAs were all about. I told her, "the problem with MRAs is that 99% of them ruin it for the other 1%.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's nowhere near 99%. There are a few radicals, as there are in every movement.
Comments like this are why no one takes you seriously :/ but ok, keep yelling at a straw man if that makes you feel better.
Hirudin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copy pasting this response by Karen Straughan to the typical "real feminists aren't like that" like the one you have written:
So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".
That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.
Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.
But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."
You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.
You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.
You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.
You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.
You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.
You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.
You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.
You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."
You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there.
You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.
And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.
You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.
No, I never said that I was a True Feminist lol. What a rant, I'll read it later when I have some time.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:01:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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198_Dudes ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me it isn't quite like that.
I don't actually believe in Feminism or Mens Rights.
I believe in equality. Equal is a very simple concept, when eqaulity stops being simple it stops being equal.
For a very long time women in all parts of the world where treated badly.
The feminist movement in the US did wonderful things that they should be very proud of. I have 2 daughters, I don't desire them to be non-voting non-reading house slaves.
However, feminists have been so sucessful that they have swung the pendulum a little to far in some issues.
Take breast cancer. Breast cancer is evil. You know what is also evil? Prostate and Testicular cancer. Prostate and testicular cancer kills a shit ton of people.
But breast cancer 'awareness' programs (who isn't aware?) just hoovers up all the money. I don't want breast cancer awareness to go away - but I would like more time, energy and money going to this cause.
For a very long time women in all parts of the world where treated badly.
The thing is that almost everyone was treated badly for a very long time. We just don't really see the ways men were treated badly. Conscription, the draft, press-ganging, circumcision, workplace safety, and others are issues that disproportionately affect men and have historically.
If equality means equal rights, then equality advocates should take these matters seriously.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a very long time women in all parts of the world where treated badly.
See, you leave out the men at the bottom rung as well. Not everyone was a king or major government official with clout and power. Nor were they rich, either.
But then you'll go off on the "Well, men were at the top so it follows those at the bottom are more powerful anyway". Uh, no. Having a penis doesn't automatically guarantee a life free of burden or struggle.
The feminist movement in the US did wonderful things that they should be very proud of. I have 2 daughters, I don't desire them to be non-voting non-reading house slaves.
And they are never going to be.
However, feminists have been so successful that they have swung the pendulum a little to far in some issues.
Understatement. They've outright hijacked issues that are gender neutral like Domestic Violence and Rape where men make up a sizeable portion of the population.
We live in a world now where its okay for a woman to hit a man, a girl to torment a boy, and nothing can be done. Boys are also getting lessons on respecting women, learning about consent, with no equivalent programs for girls on extending the same thing to boys. Men are given lessons on checking their privilege and reminded that they're the cause of societal ills.
I myself, as a man, try not to think too hard because the alternative is feeling so bad I want to off myself.
Barafu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a catch about slavery: it must be abolished from inside. If you simply free a slave and give rights to a slave, that slave invariably turns into a slaver. There is no big difference between a slave and a slaver, you know. The whole difference is who has the stick. But sticks change owners.
Slave must be free from slavery from the inside first.
LITERALLY EVEN JUST SAYING "MENS RIGHTS" MAKES YOU A WOMAN HATING NAZI GO FUCK YOURSELF
/s
198_Dudes ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your not wrong.
Here is the thing as I see it. There are some very core issues to Mens Rights that are just ... obvious. You have to be a special kind of person to disagree.
Debtors prison is a pretty good example of this. Dude can't/isn't paying - so you put him in jail, jeopardizing his current job, making finding new work harder AND you continue to accumlate dept and fines while he is in jail.
That issue.... you bring that up and nobody argues for it. No one says, 'well it is a really good idea to do this because...'.
This is a core issue. The term MR has been sucesfully associated with hate groups, unfairly so.
I just like to point out every once in a while that someone is agreeing and discussing an MR issue.
This isn't how child support works though. I don't know if you're familiar with the court system, but the amount of child support parent's are forced to pay depends on:
1) How often the child is in their custody. 2) Income.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines. Those same men (and surely some women) just go "no thanks" and that's how you end up in jail for it.
198_Dudes ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:10:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First off... child support is a state by state thing - so what you said is already categoricaly incorrect as I don't know what state you are in and you don't know what state I am in.
Two, while I do not pay child support, I know people who are....
I had this buddy. He made less then me and I didn't make much. He lived in this piece of shit effiency apartment in a bad part of town because it was all he could afford.
Now, my buddy had Child Onset Diabetes. I think it is called Type 1. The day he told me I thought he was fucking with me. He was built like a brick. Not an ounce of fat on him. I said to him, 'But people with diabetes weigh 300 pounds and use motorized scooters to raid doughnuts in WalMart??!!??!! WTF are you talking about?'
He explained to me that simply put those people could fix there problems thorugh diet. They had eaten themselves into being sick. Child Onset is just that. It is genetic. There was no getting rid of it.
As I knew him diabetes ate him alive. Last I talked to him he had had 2 different organ transplants.
Anyways he comes to me one day and explains, 'The Ex has decided public school isn't good enough. The kid has to go to private and I have to pay half.'.
He then shows me something. He showed me what a months worth of medical bills looked for him.
I had a higher paying job then him. He lived in a cheap efficiency in the bad part of town. He paid more in medical bills in a month then I paid for rent.
I knew the public school the kid went to. It was 7 different kinds of fine. A fairly rural public school with plenty of community support. Not a damned thing wrong with it. He couldn't afford to pay half the tuition. He couldn't afford his efficiency as is.
He says to me, 'I am going to court and I am going to show the judge these bills. This is unfair.'.
I said, 'Won't work without a lawyer.' He said, 'Of course it will. Don't be stupid.'.
And that is how his kids went to a private school and he had to come up with half.
Supporting your kids is one thing, but forcing someone to work themselves so that they have no physical interaction with there kids is another.
I got a current coworker. He says to me, 'We have 50/50 custody.'. I said, 'No you don't.' He said, 'Yes I do'. I said, 'weekends are't 50/50. You got the kids 15 days a month?'
And he showed me he did.
So understand this. 1/2 of the year he is feeding, housing and putting his kids in clothes. He carries health insurance.
Why does he pay her $1200/month?
bornbrews ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is this going on about?
Your friend can still ask for a modification, though sounds like he needs a lawyer if he couldn't succesfully argue his case.
got a current coworker. He says to me, 'We have 50/50 custody.'. I said, 'No you don't.' He said, 'Yes I do'. I said, 'weekends are't 50/50. You got the kids 15 days a month?'
Does your coworker want to see his kids more, btw? Besides 50/50 custody doesn't mean 50/50 time, it means both parents have custody...
I don't think you actually understand the legal terms here...
THESE ARE STATE LAWS. WAKE THE FUCK UP. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT STATE I LIVE IN, WE DON'T KNOW OR CARE WHERE YOU LIVE. YOU MIGHT BE CORRECT ABOUT YOUR STATE, BUT MINE IS A CESSPOOL WITH SOME VERY REAL PROBLEMS.
And telling me that the court system is designed to be fair and then to tell me that if I understood legal jargon and had filed such and such is kind of conflicting.
bufedad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:37:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1) How often the child is in their custody. 2) Income.
That's not entirely true. In most jurisdictions (in the US) judges have the authority to impute income. They can decide what they think you should be making, and set child support based on that amount.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines
Well, it's often that they can't afford it. For instance, if a father loses his job, what's he supposed to do? Print money to pay child support with? Adjustments take a lawyer, and unemployed people can't afford a lawyer. This means the debt continues, and they end up in prison.
Copy-spamming comments is a clear demonstration of your lack of interest in conversation. You only want what you have to say to be heard.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While that is true in theory, in reality many men are ordered to pay far more than they can afford. There are several ways this can happen.
One is imputed income. If a man doesn't have a job, the judge can order him to pay alimony and child support based on what he should be making, based on his qualifications. The reason for this is to prevent men from quitting their jobs in order to avoid paying, but it hurts men who legitimately cannot find work. When the economy crashed in the early 2000s, a lot of men ended up in jail because they couldn't find work that would enable them to pay the amount owed.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the thing as I see it. There are some very core issues to Mens Rights that are just ... obvious. You have to be a special kind of person to disagree.
And unfortunately, many feminists will disagree. They will say that putting men in jail will send a message to other fathers that paying their ex-wives is a requirement. They will say that without the threat of jail, men simply won't pay, and women won't have income. I have heard all of these arguments.
If only there was a group working to dismantle the idea that women are biologically inclined to be nurturers while men are biologically inclined to be providers, leading to the assumption mothers should have primary custody.
I believe that the default should be 50/50 custody, you start there.
I also believe that a lot of divorced people turn into gigantic entitled assholes and use the kids as ammunition. I mean, a child is entitled to a Mom and Dad. Once you have a kid that person is in your life forever. As an adult that loves your kid you are obligated to get along at least well enough that the kid has both of you in his/her lives.
See, there is that equality I was talking about rearing its head.
Totally agree. Of course none of this can be separated from the societal expectation that women do most of the child rearing. If you want dadโs to be considered 50/50 after divorce, they should be doing 50/50 before divorce. Statistically speaking, they arenโt and systems are in place that make it difficult for anyone to buck that (maternity leave but no paternity leave, pay gaps, the fact that bosses are less likely to promote a woman with children but also less likely to let a dad take a personal day for a sick kid than they are a mom).
You must start somewhere. And I specifically said you start at 50/50 and you go from there.
Everything about the system is fucked up and needs reworked.
My daughter was born, we bought a house and I was laid off. 2008. Do you remember 2008? I'll give you a hint - they called it 'The Great Recession'.
Finding another job wasn't easy, took 18 months.
As a result I was a stay at home dad till she was 2.
I can't say enough good things about this experience. It was a pretty incredible thing to do. To give men paternity leave so that they could bond with there kids like this would just be an incredible gift.
I just mean that our activism for this canโt be single issue- we have to look at other components too. That way dadโs can be good dadโs- on average dadโs spend half the time taking care of the house and half the time with kids that their partners do. Thatโs because they literally canโt take off work like moms do. That means moms have to be the one to do those tasks. This hurts moms earning potential and dadโs time with the kid.
Then mom and dad divorce and it goes to a judge. The judge see that mom spends double the time with the kid as dad and dad spends too much time at work. So mom gets full custody.
Not to mention only about 30% of dadโs think to ask for full custody- most I would guess because either they donโt think they have the time or think their ex wives will be better for the kids.
All of those things are heartbreaking and must be included in the conversation. ~60% of dadโs day that parenting is crucial to their identity. We need a culture that supports dads
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention only about 30% of dadโs think to ask for full custody- most I would guess because either they donโt think they have the time or think their ex wives will be better for the kids.
No, it's because they know (or are told by their lawyers) how biased the family court system is, and determine that it isn't worth it to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees on a futile battle. In many states, unless the mother is abusive and this abuse can be documented, she will get primary custody almost by default.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was a group working to dismantle the idea that women are biologically inclined to be nurturers while men are biologically inclined to be providers, leading to the assumption mothers should have primary custody.
The funny thing is that feminists want equality in the workplace, but they don't want men to have equality in the home.
According to them, women should have the right to get educated and have a career, but they should still have the right to be supported by men just like they did before they had the right to a career.
If only that same group wasn't the reason we have laws like the Tender Years Doctrine in the first place. One source
I don't disagree that it should be dismantled, and I think we both agree things are moving in the correct direction, but I find it disingenuous, at best, to passive aggressively snark about how that group is trying to save us from this issue (and implying they are the only ones who are trying to fix it) when at best it can be seen as correcting a mistake of their past.
I think trying to advocate for menโs rights in custody cases while ignoring the societal norms surrounding it is disingenuous at best. At worst, it is a blatant statement that one doesnโt want the inequalities facing women to be fixed.
โDivorce rapeโ as some men have termed it (effectively proving that those individuals are Misogynists) is a direct consequence of the fact that society expects women to take care of the kids and men to work more. Statistically, we see that is true with moms spending significantly more time home making and with the kids while dadโs spend more hours at work. We then codify that when we set up systems like maternity leave but no paternity leave, pay gaps, the fact that a woman with children is less likely to be promoted, or that a man with children has a harder time getting personal days for his kids.
Anyone who legitimately wants to fix the inequality of custody and divorce issues must acknowledge that dismantling the patriarchal expectations of society is the only way to do it. Anyone who wants to dismantle the patriarchy is a feminist. Simple as that.
Generally Iโm on board with get the government out of anything and everything.
But if we did that, how do you suggest custody arrangements be done? The truth is that most couples can mediate this on their own- less than 10% or cases are actually decided by a judge. But with no government marriage, how does that work inyour mind?
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They would get done the same way they are currently. You don't have to be married in order to go to court and get a custody decree.
Oh so it wouldnโt actually help anything talked about here? Just change the names. Iโm much less excited lol
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who legitimately wants to fix the inequality of custody and divorce issues must acknowledge that dismantling the patriarchal expectations of society is the only way to do it.
Men are getting screwed in family court, and you somehow blamed this on "patriarchal expectations".
According to her, it's apparently also the reason that feminists of previous waves made the case that women should gain custody of their children by default under the Tender Years Doctrine.
Makes me wonder what she thinks the reason is that the National Organization of Women have opposed shared custody bills that pass with overwhelming majority support in states like Florida Once source from the first time this happened
IKR better make a different group so we donโt all have to call ourselves feminists. Why would we want to work on breaking down entrenched societal norms that hurt everyone if we have to call ourselves feminists?
No, the feminists fight against breaking down those norms. The National Organization of Women were recently successful in stopping (by way of convincing the governor to veto) a bill in Florida that would have created a legal assumption of shared custody.
What did the father do? He contributed his sperm. The mother carried the baby for nine months. The mother had the nausea and threw up, probably had to give up her job. The mother had to give birth, the mother has to breastfeed the child. All of the sudden, the mother counts for nothing and the father has a 50-percent right to this child when it's young? It goes against nature. It goes against justice. It goes against everything we have been brought up to believe.
morerokk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it would be nice if that group existed.
Unfortunately, feminism is not a part of that group. Any movement which unanimously says "only men can be abusers" is not a movement about equality, and it is not a movement worth supporting.
Call me back when the major feminist organizations stop supporting the Duluth Model.
Feminists got the definition of rape changed so that women could be labeled rapists and men could be labeled rape victims in the eyes of the law.
Citation needed.
Because it was feminist Mary P Koss that convinced the CDC to explicitly exclude male victims of women from their statistics on rape, based on her oft-repeated claim that being raped isn't anywhere near as traumatic for men as it is for women.
All we ever see from feminism and feminists is opposition to equality. The goal of equal rights and equal opportunities for women was achieved decades ago, now feminists fight for more benefits & privileges for women, and to deny basic rights to men, like being recognised as rape victims or seeing your kids.
Iโll find ya a link later but it happened at the fbi level in 1093 I think? Or is that when spousal rape was banned. Idk Iโll find a link when Iโm off work
bufedad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI definition was changed to allow for male victims of male rapists, not to include female rapists of male victims.
morerokk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay cool, so when are they going to stop erasing male victims of domestic violence? Because your example is really just "trickle-down equality". The main goal wasn't recognizing female rapists, the goal was to include objects in the definition of rape too (such as penetrating someone with a metal rod).
Remember, the problem isn't just feminism ignoring the Duluth Model's existence. This is them actively supporting it. In fact, feminism created it. What's stopping them from abolishing it, exactly? They would be helping countless male abuse victims, who are currently at risk of being arrested themselves whenever they call the police.
If you want to generalize all feminists by the actions and opinions of a few, feel free.
If you want to have a grown up conversation, let me know. But that would entail recognizing that โfeminismโ isnโt a political party with leaders and platforms. It is an ethics philosophy by which one acknowledges that the sexes should be equal and works towards those goals socially and politically. It would me you have to understand feminists donโt have a hive mind. My personal brand of feminism means advocating against judges giving women lighter sentences for crimes because I know that attitude is born out of the idea of women not being strong or dangerous, when the reality is that they can be. My personal brand of feminism is inclusive to people of color and trans individuals- go on any feminist message board and you will find that those arenโt universal opinions. I donโt have to, and will not, answer for opinions that arenโt my own. Similarly, I wonโt ask you to account for the exclusion of women from the military for so long, the extensive battle over marital rape, or the fact that rapists have parental rights over children conceived by rape in 31 states. Why? Because Iโm an adult and recognize that just because some men pushed those horrible things through doesnโt mean you agree with them.
morerokk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to generalize all feminists by the actions and opinions of a few, feel free.
The biggest feminist organizations in the US all support the Duluth Model. These organizations have millions of members each. Take that "vocal minority" BS elsewhere, please.
But that would entail recognizing that โfeminismโ isnโt a political party with leaders and platforms.
Except all those influential feminist figures, as well as the various feminist organizations, of course.
My personal brand of feminism
Your "personal brand" means absolutely nothing, unless you actually hold political sway. What matters is the feminists in power, and those people are rotten for the most part.
Feminist A supports the Duluth Model. You are feminist B. Feminist B sits on the couch, eats some potato chips and says "hey, not all feminists!". Which one is representative of the movement, you think? It's clearly not feminist B, I can tell you that much.
Honey go ask your mom to make you a snack. Youโre obviously getting cranky. Maybe let the adults figure out what to do about societal inequalities?
morerokk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First you said you wanted a "grown-up conversation", and now you're just hurling insults. Ran out of arguments or something? No need for the snark.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:26:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to have a grown up conversation, let me know. But that would entail recognizing that โfeminismโ isnโt a political party with leaders and platforms.
Feminist organizations on the national level are far more radical than most people realize. Even most self-idenfitied feminists would not support their positions.
This gets into no-true-Scotsman territory.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to feminists then, no. NOW (the largest feminist organization in the world) had been fighting against shared custody for decades. Because fathers wanting equal parenting time is abusive to women.
Lol. A woman going to a shelter to provide for her kids is not equatable to a man REFUSING to pay for his kids and getting jail time. No judge is throwing a dad in jail who is honestly trying to provide for their kids and canโt.
As you donโt understand how our society works Iโll explain it to you. When bad things happen disproportionately to one group, systems get put in place to help. Women are disproportionately abused by men. It doesnโt mean that it doesnโt happen the other way, but in MOST cases of abuse, itโs a man abusing a woman. Thatโs why there is a disproportionate number of menโs shelters to womenโs. Itโs very fucking simple.
Then you are a terrible person and I feel fear for your soul.
Cause now you have crossed the line into bigotry - punishing an entire group of people just because of the actions of some of them.
As long as there is a single women beating a man then there should be a fair and equal way for him to get help. To turn him away at the door just because you feel one side should be less equal then the other is a terrible, awful way to be.
Look dude Iโm sorry if youโve been abused by a woman, and yes there needs to be support in our society for men who are. But equating the number of shelters just doesnโt make sense. If 1000 woman are abused and 100 men are, there needs to be 10x the number of womenโs shelters. And thatโs how it works.
Bonus qoute "In the U.S., about 31 percent of men and 37 percent of women have experienced sexual violence, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
There are so few mens shelters as to be close to zero.
I am sorry if you despise men.
Men are dying because there isn't enough money or attention being given to testicular cancer. According to your logic this is a good and desirable thing because women are dying from breast cancer.
And also, the rate of breast cancer is 12.4% testicular- .0057% Not only that, but breast cancer accounts for 6.8% of all cancer deaths, testicular 0.1% source: cancer.gov. get your facts straight mate.
Hirudin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Women are disproportionately abused by men.
Statistics show that you are wrong. Domestic violence is almost equal in both directions.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No judge is throwing a dad in jail who is honestly trying to provide for their kids and canโt.
Oh really? I have personally seen this happen several times.
atacon09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you can't afford, you lose your license which means you can't drive. you can't drive (legally), you possibly lose your job. you lose your job, you can't afford the child support. JAIL TIME BABY. male privilege is a plague on society amirite?
Megazor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo sir.
We need more focus on male issues because they affect society as a whole.
tempski ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I can't believe you got gilded twice for posting facts that, when I bring them up, gets me branded as a misogynist.
bornbrews ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:57:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't how child support works though. I don't know if you're familiar with the court system, but the amount of child support parent's are forced to pay depends on:
1) How often the child is in their custody.
2) Income.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines. Those same men (and surely some women) just go "no thanks" and that's how you end up in jail for it.
bufedad ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:39:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1) How often the child is in their custody. 2) Income.
That's not entirely true. In most jurisdictions (in the US) judges have the authority to impute income. They can decide what they think you should be making, and set child support based on that amount.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines
Well, it's often that they can't afford it. For instance, if a father loses his job, what's he supposed to do? Print money to pay child support with? Adjustments take a lawyer, and unemployed people can't afford a lawyer. This means the debt continues, and they end up in prison.
You can appeal without an attorney, though the caveat here being your luck and the law varies by jurisdiction and judge.
The process is: you notify the court, you then obtain an order from the judge or child support master. Though attorneys are recommended they are not required
bufedad ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:47:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you're familiar with the court system, but the amount of child support parent's are forced to pay depends on:
1) How often the child is in their custody. 2) Income.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines. Those same men (and surely some women) just go "no thanks" and that's how you end up in jail for it.
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A judge will not be sympathetic to "I can't afford to pay my child support because I lost my job after yelling at a customer." For example.
Are kind of contradictory, no? The hypothetical person getting fired for yelling at a customer still has less income. Taking into considering why they have less income is neither "1) How often the child is in their custody" nor "2) Income"
Oh lol these are not even close to the same. Situation A, a woman with kids struggling to feed them getting help from a shelter. A kid mind you that a man has half created. Situation B, a man who is refusing to help a kid he has created. I mean, am I even explaining this? Or are you trolling?? Lol.
bufedad ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:39:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Situation B, a man who is refusing to help a kid he has created. I mean, am I even explaining this?
I like how you decide the first one can't and the second one can, but refuses to. The bias in that distinction is unbearably obvious.
So why would a woman end up at a shelter for help if she wasnโt trying to help her kid? Lol
bufedad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:48:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because she can. Do you think shelters do background checks? They ask, and she can lie... I mean, you do realize that women are people and people can lie about things... right?
Right, of course women can and do lie. But still, lying to provide more for your kid or even just to get more (steal) is not equivalent to a father refusing to help his offspring, itโs in no way similar.
bufedad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There you go again automatically assuming that fathers refuse to help their children, rather than can't.
Women must need it, but men... well, they only refuse. They have loads of money that they can just pick up from the patriarchy center...
Fucking lol. Yeah so a man and a woman have sex, woman gets pregnant, man pussies out and doesnโt want the responsibility so he peaces out, woman doesnโt want to abort because you know, she doesnโt want to kill her baby (weird right?!?) and ends up with a baby who the dad wonโt support. You are a fucking retard my friend.
LOL ok I'm out, can't argue with stupid. But before I go, to your other comment, women have choices if birth control fails, well the man had a choice to cum inside a woman and take that chance. Unless of course, he was RAPED, and now you're probably about to tell me that happens all the time.
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But before I go, to your other comment, women have choices if birth control fails, well the man had a choice to cum inside a woman and take that chance.
Yes, so the woman can decide she doesn't want to be a parent even after getting pregnant. For a man, once he has sex, it's too late. It's entirely the woman's choice whether to have the baby, but if she decides to do so, he can be held financially responsible.
Are you actually fucking serious? Itโs her choice whether to kill her baby or not. Itโs not a light decision. And I say this as a pro-choice person. Fuck me some ppl are retarded.
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:53:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I am actually "fucking serious". I don't want to turn this into a debate on abortion, but it's a major injustice when only the woman has the unilateral ability to decide whether to have the baby, but both parents are financially responsible for it.
Ok so let me explain something to you, when you ejaculate inside a woman whether thereโs birth control or not, youโre making a decision that you can possibly become a parent, a dad and everything that comes along with it.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to "explain" anything to me. If you can't see the inequality here, you are willfully blind.
Let me guess, youโre a young fella who thinks that if you have sex with a woman and she tells you sheโs on BC and sheโs actually not and gets pregnant then youโre cheated? And that Iโm some raging anti-man feminazi? Iโm a happily married dude, mid 30โs with kids to my wife. Throughout my teens and 20โs I always used two methods of BC. either condom and pill or pill and pull out. If you cum in a woman without proper protection itโs YOUR CHOICE. How fucking simple is that???
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you cum in a woman without proper protection itโs YOUR CHOICE. How fucking simple is that???
Then why not say the same thing to the woman? If you have unprotected sex it's YOUR CHOICE. How fucking simple is that?
But no. You can't force a woman to have a child she doesn't want. She has the right to decide whether she wants to be a parent or not. Men can't have that right, only women. Because somehow, that's equality.
Because itโs BOTH your choice to fuck without BC. You think to a woman that an abortion is just a simple choice?? Itโs killing a living baby you fucktard. YOU are whatโs wrong with this society. Youโll fuck a girl, get her pregnant, put the onus on her to get an abortion and then not pay child support when she doesnโt. You are a piece of shit.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because itโs BOTH your choice to fuck without BC.
Yes, it's BOTH your choice. But only ONE person has to deal with the consequences of that choice. The other person can CHOOSE if they want to deal with it or not. The woman can have an abortion if she chooses, or she can raise the baby if she chooses. One person has the choice, the other only has responsibility.
You think to a woman that an abortion is just a simple choice?? Itโs killing a living baby you fucktard.
I have no idea how this is relevant. As far as the law is concerned, it's a simple choice. The woman chooses "yes" or "no". And even if you consider it a "living baby", the fact remains that the woman can kill it, at her own discretion.
Youโll fuck a girl, get her pregnant
Earlier, you acknowledged that having sex is a mutual decision. Now you've gone back to assuming that a man "gets" a girl pregnant, as if she had no say in the matter.
put the onus on her to get an abortion
"Put the onus on her to get an abortion"? So if a woman decides to get an abortion (which is legally 100% her choice), it's somehow the man's fault?
You are a piece of shit.
I guess you've realized you don't have any logical argument.
So she drops the baby off at a hospital or fire station no questions asked and has the state support the baby until they can find a home free of charge.
Lol you guys. Yeah just abort it if you don't want it! Or just drop it off at a fire station, no worries dudes!! Like these are like fucking ordering a cup of coffee. If a man didn't want to pay for a kid, probably shouldn't have cum inside the lady, seems to me that was a choice.
I agree with parts of your comment, the child really is at the biggest loss. But what is the next logical step when the case involves a man who is either refusing to work, therefore they can't even garnish his wages, or works for cash and refuses to pay up? and I'm not too dense to understand that every situation is different. I know guys making 70-80k a year who could barely pay rent because their ex-wives/child support were literally burying him. I feel that, if the man in question makes his mind up that he just ain't paying, there isn't a more appropriate step than punishment. Maybe he can work in the prison and they can take those wages? I don't know. I just know there's only so much you can do to force a person to take responsibility of their legal duties before you have to resort to this.
Those wages wouldnโt provide much for the child. Also, some states take the money as payment for room and board.
:(
I get what you are saying though. Thatโs definitely why you would want a close case by case analysis. I think the parent refusing to pay, who could pay, might have a wake up call when the contempt fairy pays them a visit. I know that family law judges do examine the situation case by case. Iโm not sure how effective this is. It would be good to see the numbers.
Ironic misuse of 'literally' (because some men do end up buried).
Quick1711 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what is the next logical step when the case involves a man who is either refusing to work, therefore they can't even garnish his wages, or works for cash and refuses to pay up?
Same thing they did for years before the laws were enacted....
Get off your ass and make a living for your kids. Support them the best you can. Be an adult.
The kids will realize in the long run wtf is really going on.
I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused on your response. My post was aimed at what do we logically do next when a parent is refusing to do what you typed out above.
Trust me, we all want parents to "get off their ass and make a living for their kids" as you said.
Are you speaking on the mother's roll in the situation??
Yes. Situations vary from female to female. I can only speak from some of my experiences.
If a man doesn't want to pay then what choice is a mother really left with?
Yes, she and her child(ren) can live off the state but if they are ever going to have anything substantial in their lives mother has to go to work (regardless if the father works or not)
Barafu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The kids will realize in the long run wtf is really going on.
They will not, if they live with a mother who tells them on daily basis that their dad is a thief and moron.
There is a difference between can't pay and won't pay. The dudes that can't pay, I agree shouldn't be thrown in jail. The dudes that don't pay, fuck em.
How does this work in the us? In Canada they can literally just take money from your bank account.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most child support goes through the courts and is decided (amount) on the income the father makes and what else he covers for the child (or vice versa if mom is paying CS). If they're gainfully employed, it's taken out of the check before the employee ever gets the money, if they're not gainfully employed or the employer has a low-tech/cash-system/no payroll type system, then it's a bill that the parent will have to go into court and pay the cashier each month, or send a check via mail. There may be some instances where it can be paid online, but I've never heard of it. And that's not saying much either. Most of my knowledge comes from friends and people talking about it in Facebook groups. Pay requirements, arrangements, pay method and scheduled are extremely varied from state to state and likely situation to situation.
Can't seize a bank account if they don't have one. Can't garnish wages if they're not working on the books. You'd be surprised at how many people go years without paying support, but are able to pay lump sums in the hundreds or thousands of dollars when threatened with jail time.
Not saying it's a great enforcement tool, but it can be effective.
They can, but a lot of states wonโt. Itโs also super rare to jail noncustodial parents.
Most states have such stupidly low standards for what you have to pay. Making up to $75,000/year in Kansas (where the cost of living is ungodly cheap. Think buying a 2,000 square foot house for $100,000) you can get away with $50/month.
There is some difference though a deadbeat imo is someone who can pay but doesn't but there are most definitely father's in jail who cannot pay reasonably but still end up in jail and we'll yeah they will definitely be able to pay now after they've been in jail and can't find a job the systems is fucked in some cases, but obviously if your father could pay and was just an asshole that's different.
Where is it the case that if you can't afford to pay you get thrown in jail? Most states have many, many ways to enforce a child support order short of throwing the parent in jail, such as wage garnishment, placing a lien on real/personal property, withholding federal and state benefits, etc.
And support orders can always be modified if there is a significant change in circumstances, such as getting laid off.
The idea that the county is going to come to your house to throw you in jail when you can't afford your payments is ridiculous.
With how slow and annoying our legal system is I have no doubt that there are instances of people going to jail who really just couldn't pay and couldn't get the courts to fix the order in time. But you're right, it's very rare for someone to go to jail who legitimately can't afford to pay.
Family law is not my practice area, but a judge isn't going to issue an arrest warrant for criminal contempt of court if there's a modification petition pending. Just my two cents.
Obviously if a parent hasn't begun the modification process, the court isn't going to know about the changed circumstances and will follow ordinary procedure, whatever that may be in a given jurisdiction.
Barafu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rare? Like 10% of all imprisoned men? What I really doubt is that someone could pay the money but prefer to go to prison instead.
I think this is an insult. I was just trying to give perspective that all people in there arenโt honest hard working guys that canโt pay up. Maybe I put too much of my personal anger into the original post.
Yeah most are assuming these fathers are honest men who just made a mistake or had some bad luck. Chances are the majority are assholes who wonโt pull their weight to minimise the hardship broken up families place on kids.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you blame your dad? Maybe he didn't even want kids to begin with. I know it's hard to believe, because your mom probably told you what a piece of garbage your dad is/was but never forgot who chose that deadbeat.
Do you want the solution for deadbeat dads? Tell the women to stop having kids with deadbeats.
"People who don't want to take any responsibility for their actions say stuff like that.Most things don't "just happen", you make them happen by your actions and decisions." - /u/tempski
So why doesn't my father have to take any responsibility for his actions?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was not, they were married. Iโm also not the only kid. Just the youngest.
tempski ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:36:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the guy agreed to have a baby, I believe the woman is responsible in this case because the woman is the one that decides to have the baby.
If the guy signed up for the job he should pay up.
Like I said, you are probably brainwashed by your mom to place all blame on the guy and I understand that. Because you feel that he abandoned you guys.
I know a lot of guys who think like you because they too were raised by single moms. Just don't forget it was your mom who chose the the guy to impregnate her and have you even if he was against it.
cuyfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like most of the dads I know that donโt pay child support are douches who donโt care about their kids and never did. I know more of them personally than dads who simply canโt afford it.
But they went to court, the judge told them they had to do something, then they didnโt, so they went to jail. Itโs nobody elseโs fault.
But you are 100% correct. The child suffers. But I guarantee you that they already were suffering.
They also get MANY warnings and opportunities to handle it before they are thrown in jail. At least in my state anyway. My ex has defaulted several times for many months at a time. He can technically be behind 90 days before they threaten to suspend his driver's license. Then he can also just pay a minimum amount (nowhere near the monthly total) without getting in trouble, even though it still accrues. After a few of those minimum payments, he's no longer in default even though now he owes more than before! Then the 90 day cycle can repeat.
He makes more than enough to handle it. He just doesn't want to do it and thinks he shouldn't have to. So I have to struggle to pay bills and never have a consistent amount to count on. I'm going to bet the majority of them in jail have had several opportunities to work something out if they wanted to.
Who, lacking support from the parent, will become disadvantaged and have a higher likelihood of going to prison themselves, perpetuating the cycle and keeping cells filled for maximum profit. Funny what happens when maximum occupancy is incentivized.
msspi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you suppose they do instead?
john_eh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just give them some sort of piece-work job. Like, mofo you are here until you make 10,000 widgets, and we can pay your ex and let you go.
mweb32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like suspending a kid for skipping school.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, You're an irresponsible person who had kids you can't pay for? How about you do nothing and the state will pay for your food and housing.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not all that clear cut.
I know a guy who got a demotion from work but since his support was fixed on the $3 more an hour he was making, they wouldn't adjust it for his new salary.
When you're originally making like $12 an hour and get cut back to $9, $650 in support a month does not leave enough leftover for a livable income.
You are right, the only loser in this situation is the child.
I do believe they often factor in ability to pay when jailing deadbeats. The guys in jail for failure to pay aren't just in hard times. There's typically proof that they had the funds and didn't anyway.
Additionally, inability to pay court mandated child support is often not a surprise. After the first warning the parent is instructed to inform the court immediately if they are not able to pay for any reason. Arrangements are made. The guys in jail are habitual, repeat offenders, that usually deliberately do not pay when they have the ability to do so, and also do not abide by the instruction to contact the court if they cannot pay.
It's much rarer than reddit thinks for a parent to be jailed for failure to pay.
RS177 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A child can be fine if they have a successful mother but the father's bank account is in shambles.
It's the kid and/or their mom getting the money, or the prison system getting funds to incarcerate you and look "tough on crime."
Treedubz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone loses. The kid doesnโt get what he/she needs, the mom doesnโt get her money, the dad goes to jail, and taxpayers are paying for their stay.
Whatโs kind of awful is that the state wonโt even listen to the other parent? So many parents really donโt want the other parent locked up for not paying child support. I mean theyโre often the first to know you canโt get blood from a stone. In the stateโs mind, however, a parent not being able to pay up, makes the child dependent on the state (granted true). The government is calling the shots. We voters should really consider this an important issue exacerbating poverty.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% agree. Now they also bar tag renewals for vehicles until arrangements or past dues are paid. So they're now left without a current drivers license AND a current vehicle registration. Which if caught just makes everything that much worse.
Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would actually be a lot cheaper to pay the state to pay for the child than lock someone up.
It doesn't benefit anyone involved and costs a shit load of money.
Sean951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not supposed to benefit that parent being locked up, it's meant to punish them.
mc_md ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the main loser is still the dad. The kid still has a mom and the court system taking anything the dad ever manages to get. Nobody gives a shit about the dad.
I remember child me being furious at this logic and that nobody seemed to see it this way. Dad wasn't going to pay but at least there was a chance with him out of jail.
In my state itโs only the people that willfully donโt pay that get sent away. Have a good job and can support yourself and your kids but just donโt want to? They will enforce that. Lost your job but canโt find another? Theyโll keep giving you breaks.
I'm pretty sure that's how it is everywhere. People above are just assuming otherwise. Wage garnishment is the typical path for enforcement of child support.
It is. It takes years of missed payments and completely blowing off the court to land in jail. Judges would rather put someone violent in jail vs a deadbeat dad.
I mean, I haven't done background investigations for over 4 years and looked at countless people's criminal records and read thousands of court dockets or anything.
So, yes I know exactly what I'm talking about. How about you, how many dockets have you read?
Yeah. Wage garnishment doesnโt work for the self-employed folks. They are more likely to find themselves locked up for failure to pay.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:28:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate parents, mothers and fathers alike, who willingly don't pay child support. When my mom was behind on her payments (my dad told me way too much dirt on mom to breed hate), I was fairly certain it was because she was broke. But my niece's dad is a POS and deadbeat. I just wish he'd sign away his parental rights. Let your kid have a chance at having a decent parent take over (my now brother in law is a great guy and wants to adopt her)
bufedad ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my state itโs only the people that willfully donโt pay that get sent away.
It's only people that the Judge believes willfully aren't paying. All someone has to do is convince a judge that he's making more than he's claiming, and child support is set higher than he can afford (imputed income). Don't pay what you can't afford? Well, you are willfully refusing to pay.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad refused to pay child support. He was making $6k/month, only had to pay $132 in child support A MONTH and still fucking refused to pay. It came down to going to jail or signing away his rights. My step-dad adopted me.
I know this because when I turned 18 my mom handed over every court report, his income statements, etc. to prove he was a piece of shit. She never out right said this, she wanted me to come to the conclusion on my own.
The idea that it's a "modern day debtor's prison" to lock up parents who don't pay child support is bullshit. It's the family law equivalent of the "hurr durr a woman spilled coffee on herself and won millions from McDonald's, how stupid!" lamentation that always comes up when you mention personal injury law.
If you can't pay child support, then it is your responsibility to seek a modification of your child support order to reduce payments, or to find a program that will help you stay current. Child support is really importantโit's to provide for the well-being of a child. That's not a light responsibility.
When parents just blow off their payments (especially when they can afford it), jail time for criminal contempt is an appropriate punishment because a court order is being disobeyed. That's serious stuff. The integrity of the judicial system depends on its power to enforce its own judgments and orders.
I knew a bunch of dudes I used to work construction with that would take cash jobs and not get bank accounts just to avoid paying child support. Court can't seize what it can't find. They'd get locked up every now and then and get a straight job for a few months, get the system off their back, and then back to cash jobs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As mentioned, the failure to pay is willful. You are choosing to hide your income with cash jobs, or just not pay with your ordinary job. You could live below your current means and pay.
But you aren't so you get locked up and lose money because of it. But the kid wasn't getting a goddamn dime from you anyway, so the kid isn't affected. Its harder to get a job now, which is sad, but maybe you'll find one and remember how much it sucked last time and actually pay to support your kid.
Child support is ... to provide for the well-being of a child
Bullshit. Child support has NOTHING to do with the cost of raising a child. Kids need food and clothing and school supplies, right? What do those things cost? It doesn't matter. If I earn twice as much as you, does that mean the food my kids eat costs twice as much as the food your kids eat? Their school supplies cost twice as much? If I get a 20% raise, is it suddenly 20% more expensive to raise my kids? Child support is about fleecing the dad. No one gives a shit about the welfare of the kids. It's like having a discussion about student loans, but never once ever asking about tuition numbers.
jail time for criminal contempt is an appropriate punishment
because a court order is being disobeyed
Okay, what about child visitation? How many moms deny or interfere with court-appointed child visitation with dad AND end up in jail? Hey, a court order is a court order, right? We're talking about the "integrity of the judicial system", right? (oh God, did you actually write that with a straight face?) Why is there no Division of Child Visitation Enforcement? If my ex-wife denies visitation, will men with guns lock her in a cage? Keep dreaming, buddy.
Yeah. Bullshit. โJust get a modification.โ Were it not so simple... most jurisdictions will let you attempt that max once every six months. And most judges say fuck you anyway, get a job you bum.
If you can't be arsed to seek a modification of your child support order, then yeah, prison's probably the place for you because you don't seem to really care about your support obligation. And if you're unemployed and aren't seeking work, then yes, you're probably not eligible for a modification.
What's your beef with the system? Think it's some grand conspiracy to keep men down? But the easiest way to avoid participation in the system is to, you know, not have kids.
I felt that way too, until my separation when he decided to work off the books so he doesn't have to pay :/
epmoya ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:07:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it doesnโt seem logical for people that really try to pay but just canโt seem to make enough BUT there are the other people who are just complete pieces of shit that refuse to pay. Case in point, my granddaughters 32 year old father...that mother fucker just doesnโt want to help pay for the care of his daughter at all. He wants his visitation and is always asking for more time or to switch his time to accommodate his schedule but he is thousands upon thousands in arrears.
Problem is that he has no issues going out drinking every weekend, playing softball on league teams all the time, going on trips with his buddies, and just being genuinely a shitty person and a REALLY shitty parent. He doesnโt pay anything and itโs up to my daughter to provide all of my granddaughters care and support (food, housing, daycare, clothing, medical...). She has been trying for over a year to get the courts to help her but he always has some excuse and has avoided jail every time. They go to court again tomorrow and the lawyer is going to ask, again, he be jailed for non payment until someone comes up with his arrearages. He wonโt learn that he needs to help support his daughter until he loses his freedom for a while.
Examples of his shitty parenting:
He has another daughter, 13, that he doesnโt pay for either.
He will skip his visitation with my granddaughter, 2 years old, if it conflicts with his softball or even just a party with his friends. He does this alllll the time.
He just went on a cruise with his shitty family and took his 13 year old daughter with him. While boarding the ship they got busted trying to bring pot on board in their bags. He even put some in his daughters bag โto help out his familyโ. Then he got pissed at her and wouldnโt talk to her because she got mad he did that.
He gets my granddaughter to say shit about her mother, my daughter, then records it and posts it on social media to make it look like she hates her mother.
There is no end to shitty things he does.
Edit: I forgot to mention that time he left my granddaughter alone in a running, unlocked car while he ran into the store to get drinks for his softball game. She was an infant at the time. My daughter pulled into the parking lot while he was in the store and busted him. She should have called the cops that day.
In closing, he belongs in jail for a while.
New Edit:
They went back to court today and he has to pay her almost $2000 before the next court date in 3 weeks or he goes to jail, IF he pays that then he has 10 days after that to pay the rest or he goes to jail. In either case, if he goes to jail his bond will be set at how ever much he owes in back support.
The judge was pissed that he went on a cruise because of the cost associated with it and because he should have been working instead of vacationing.
My daughter was also awarded $1600 in legal fees caused by having to continually go to court for his nonpayment.
He wants his visitation ... but he is thousands upon thousands in arrears
So what? Should he be denied visitation if he's not paying? Let's turn this around. I pay child support, and I'm allowed visitation. But visitation is spotty and unsatisfactory at best. So, should I be allowed to withhold child support until I get what I want?
epmoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did I say deny him visitation? I said he should be in jail for willfully not paying support. My point was that he only cares about what he wants and not a bit about the child. Heโs defying a judges orders on purpose...not because of hardship, because heโs a fucking dick! If he goes to jail itโs because of himself. My daughter would never think of trying to withhold visitation, although plenty of women do, because she knows that my granddaughter would be the one to suffer. She never says a bad thing about him in front of her even though he constantly does, proof is in the videos he posts.
In my state at least incarceration is only used as a last resort against delinquent or non-compliant child support obligors and typically only against people who have demonstrated they have the means to pay their support obligations but simply choose not to and/or find ways to hide their assets.
I agree that it's foolish and counterproductive to incarcerate people who don't have the means to pay their support obligations but there is such a thing as dead beat dads and incarceration is pretty much the only enforcement mechanism you have left once all other avenues have been exhausted.
That's actually not true. If you don't pay, the government can garnish your wages or even seize your bank assets. That's how necessary child support is deemed.
The only exception would be drug dealers sleeping on mattresses full of cash...
Well sure, and they can take your driver's license and passport too (happened to a guy I know). I'm sure there are lots of people who try to avoid paying support.
Yes lots try. But if you have a SSN linked to a job getting reported to the IRS, and the mother follows up with the court when you don't pay, you can't just "avoid" it.
The IRS is understaffed and overworked, and they don't get rewarded for bringing in money.
Family courts are difectly funded by fees they take off child support and alimony payments. It's a self feeding machine and a huge conflict of interest.
If you are talking about court fees. All courts are partially sustained through filing and administrative fees. Not just family courts, and all parties pay them (unless there is a provision for loser pays, or better-off financially spouse pays). I thought you were referring to something unique about family courts. My bad.
Working under the table. Working for your parents. Being supported by a girlfriend or something, but keeping it hidden.
There are many options. This resonates with me because my friend recently got her case closed for child support. That dude is not in jail or was ever even close to being in jail. He works under the table and has his girlfriend's name on everything.
Oh my sweet summer child. It's a lot. I mean it's not like everyone, but it's a lot.
Pizza shops, bars, restaurants. They will all do under the table. How do you think illegals make money ? That's under the table.
I had a friend who worked under the table for a cleaning company. The candy store she works at now pays one of their other employees under the table.
A different friend did landscaping stuff under the table. A bar near me pays an older couple to clean it weekly and that's under the table.
It's not hard to find a job like that if you know where to look. Plenty of places do it. I could probably think of more if I kept going but these were the first bunch I thought of.
I have friends working at Pizza shops, bars, restaurants. They all insist on w2s... And paying someone $20 a week for some small things isn't a living.
It's not every single place, but there are some. And just because they give one person a W2 doesn't mean they all do.
The only small thing I listed could be bar cleaning. They get $200 a week to do it, so idk how that is small. Maybe landscaping if you think I mean mowing lawns, but I don't.
Literally the rest of those you can make a living off of.
Idk what you want me to tell you. Your view is naive. Go to New York sometime and see how many people there are working under the table. Meet some international students. Most of them can't legally work. A lot of them do work anyway.
I did not say the only people who do this are international students. I am saying they are part of the group of people who work under the table which you deny exists.
You also keep insisting I'm talking about people doing stuff for $50 a week and that is not the case.
Idk what else to say to you. The problem is there. I'm not saying it's a majority, but it's there.
You only ever reply to one part of the post, so I'm going to assume you didn't read or look at any of them. That particular article is about how women who are not receiving child support use their ex's facebook posts where they clearly have a car/money to show that they do indeed make money and are avoiding paying child support.
It's not really about statistics via Facebook posts, but alright.
Ooh a man has a car to get to work, he must have an extra $600 to pay the average monthly child support payment! All that sweet $4/he under the table cash!
Except again if you read the articles you would see most of them pay the minimum to stay out of jail if they pay anything at all. I'm not saying they should pay the $600 average. I'm saying if you own a car, you probably have enough to send SOME money for child support when a lot of them don't.
Also you keep acting like people can't make a living working under the table and I've already shown you that's false.
I never said there are so many. I said it was a small percentage.
I never brought up the $600. You did. I never said owning a car means having $600. So I have no idea how those are like your Republican example because I never said any of those things.
And I never said that having a car means you can afford that. I said having a car implies you have at least some money to send even if it's $20 a week.
So your Republican comment is pointless because you are saying I believe something you made up and comparing it to Republicans. Well I think you love rubbing smelly feet covered in grapes on your face and that's probably why you are like this.
20/week = $100/$600. Assuming they are paying the average which not everyone does. Also I am pretty sure we should be looking at the average monthly owed for people who don't consistently pay. Not across the board. So for all we know this number could go up or down by hundreds of dollars.
And my entire point was that we need to improve the system. Meaning both for people who aren't paying, but can, and for the people who are paying, but can't pay all of it. Both situations give you the option to file more in court, but they put the burden of proof largely on the parents. And it's not particularly easy to take care of a child, work, and set up shit for courts by yourself because if your child support payments are fucked you probably can't afford a lawyer.
You want to keep twisting and twisting the point, but it's not changing.
It's usually not that the can't pay child support it's that they won't. A friend of mine going through this with an ex. He has not shown up to court for 3 hearings so the judge has granted her permission to take it straight from his wages.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:44:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So they should just get off scot free? They were the idiots who had unprotected sex when they couldn't afford to have kids to begin with. Kids don't just happen, they made a conscious choice and now have to deal with the consequences. If you can't afford to pay for a child then don't have unprotected sex. You don't go to jail after not paying once or twice or even three times. You go to jail after not paying for a VERY long period of time. You get more than enough chances before it reaches that point. It really is extremely simple logic.
Yeah reddit's always so sympathetic to fathers but my dad can be a shady dude sometimes and he hires these child-support dodgers for cheap under the table. They have been running from paying child support for years. They specifically seek out employers like him just to get out of paying.
I don't think debtors prisons make any sense but these are dudes that get out of paying their bills (and taxes) and leave it up to the rest of society to pay for their responsibilities. No they shouldn't go to jail but fuck those guys. It ain't about the fact that they can't pay it's that they don't want to.
It contradicts "They made a conscious choice" and "don't have unprotected sex".
There's also a chance that the mother won't want an abortion even with an unexpected pregnancy.
Sean951 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't want kids, don't have sex. It's always a possibility, so if you're unwilling to follow through with the potential obligations if the mother keeps the kid, your only option is celibacy.
Sean951 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Men can't get abortions. Contraceptives aren't 100%. Have all the sex you want, as often and with as many people as you want. But if your luck fails and you knock someone up, you need to pay child support. Aren't willing to pay child support? Then don't have sex.
I clerked for a judge who occasionally heard cases involving dads who were locked up for not paying. It's far from the norm and often takes multiple, multiple missed payments. I get the shock at the seemingly poor logic of it, but it's not that common. Everyone in the system hates when it gets to that point, but it's often due to an endless series of second chances.
wont prison make it even harder to pay child support?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was roommates in a halfway house with a guy trying to get out of this very situation. His wages were being garnished to cover the back child support - full time job and every two weeks he would get paid like 15 dollars. We would all pitch in a few bucks to help the guy. I can't imagine the situation helped him stay sober.
gsloane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are dad's who will pay for hookers and not a dime for kids. They get chance after chance to pay something, anything, work out a plan. If they are behind bars it's most likely because they are criminally negligent parents. And I'm sure your really great friend never did a bad thing and was literally doing nothing when they just shipped him off for no reason, but that's not most of these deadbeats.
Shift84 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:22:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So my ex and I seperate on pretty good terms. We didn't really fight but we also didn't really care for each other all that much. So we made a plan for the boy. I gave her half of my savings to get her on her feet, and then she was going to get half my pay for the next year to give her time to get setup. At the end of the year I was separating from the military and going to school, so the amount I could pay was going to be a good bit lower until I finished.
She was in the states and ended up doing all the paperwork for the divorce, we agreed we didn't want the government being involved in our personal affairs and we were very reasonably sure we could manage the situation ourselves.
So she's getting the paperwork and stuff done, and some dick headed, dead eyed person in the office all this gets done gives her a hard time about not using the state services for the child support. She makes a compelling argument to her about how anything could happen and if I just decided to stop paying she would be left high and dry. So she talks to this lady and has her explain what the least amount of involvement is that would keep her "safe".
She explains to me its mother's a big deal and we still get to make decisions on how much I pay and all this business so it's basically like it's not even happening, or so the lady said. So the first year she ended up with around 55k straight from savings and a large chunk of my pay, got herself a place, a job, boyfriend, she was doing really good.
I end my military contract and get back to the states. So I lay her every month to her bank account right. Come to find out neither of us were really explained the situation. I HAD to pay the state, and the state would then pay her. So they now say I owed around 20k in back child support. She gets it all cleared up, I get my fucking driver's license unsuspended and we go to get it figured out.
So remember how we had agreed to lower amount when I seperated. Well now that I have to pay the government instead of her, I can't make the full payment so the suspend my license again.
She has spent around 70 something hours AT the courthouse trying to fix the situation. So finally we go to ask politely that they get the hell out of our business we don't need them. They say no, it's about the child and it isn't OUR decision to make.
Its been a little over two years now. I don't eve bother paying the government the money because I can't pay the amount they want. My ex wife files affidavits every few months so the amount I owe doesn't get out of hand. Missouri asked Florida where I live to enforce the order, but they talk to each other via carrier pigeon and smoke signals so at any given time I owe Missouri between 0 and 8 grand, but if you look at what Florida says I owe something like 40k at the moment.
Florida won't talk to either of us. My ex just broke down the other day on the phone about all of it and I had to bite my fucken lip and comfort her about the situation since we are pretty close friends. All because some "all dudes are asses, no way you can manage this stuff alone, fuck him over before he fucks you over" shitty officer worker that couldn't just do her fucking job.
I don't have a license, I have to have my wife register my car, when I drive to work and school I risk being arrested, they take my wife's and my income taxes, my awesome credit score is ruined, and every time I go into that child support office they treat me like the biggest deadbeat they've ever met, even with all the evidence in front of them that I faithfully make sure my son is take care of and help my ex wife every single month for the past several years and she is just as not ok with the system as I am.
I think here in the next few months we can finally petition to get the amount lowered, I'm almost 100% sure they are going to say fuck you and not lower it at all.
They US child support system has single handedly ruined a good chunk of my life for no real reason either my ex wife or I can figure out. Something about this being better for my son.I
Edit, I'm sorry man, I didn't mean to unload all that onto you. I just haven't really actually said anything about the situation and I just kind of eat it. I kinda went off on a tangent there.
I agree with you. Man that fucking stinks and shows what a fucked up system we live in. Fuck that social worker in the ear. Most of em are big government bureaucracy pieces of shit anyway. I fucking hate do-gooder Nanny state representatives.
Shift84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's crazy, and it's even crazier that even when my ex and I show up in court, together, to say that we want the government to stop involving themselves in this private business of ours they can just say no.
Neither of us have a criminal record. My ex wife is a nurse, I am a veteran, our son is super smart, and in great health. I've literally never really had a problem with anyone until all this shit was dropped on us, and now I get treated like a criminal because of it.
Anywho, the boy turns 18 in 6 years, I should be finishing engineering school in 2 and my current wife only has 5 years of service left. We are moving out of the country once he's old enough to vote. This shit seriously soured my opinion of our government as a system.
drbusty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Virginia if you can't pay your court fees they take your license. So, getting to work becomes harder....
ThotbGot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My father had to do a month for not paying child support to my mother. He never paid for it and racked up a debt of over 30k. He refused to find a job, his reasoning was because he wanted to find a job that he would be happy with and not like a McDonaldโs cashier. So sometimes just putting dads in for a month or two for not paying is just for motivation and not because they didnโt get paid enough.
So, you think they just toss someone in jail for missing a payment? It takes years of missed payments, multiple convictions and wilfully ignoring the court. Your first conviction will be probation with a possible suspended sentence. Contrary to what Reddit thinks, it's hard to land in jail. You won't do any jail if it's a first conviction and not a high level felony or violent. All you'll do is the night or weekend you got arrested.
Not to mention that if you only get the one nonviolent conviction, you will be able to get that expunged in most cases. So, yes probation. You break the law there has to be consequences.
Donโt they only do that if the father is capable of working and chooses not to? I have a friend who owes his ex-wife about $30k Iโm back child support. She has given him plenty of time to pay, but he married a woman who has money and just decides not to get a job because he refuses any job less than $100k/year.
He doesnโt have the skills, qualifications, or education for a job paying that. He managed to lie his way into one a few years back and lasted less than 90 days. Ever since then, he refuses to โlower his standardsโ and accept a job paying what heโs worth, which is probably like 60/year.
He doesnโt need money and is just ignoring his child support obligation. I actually support his going to jail. He could easily get a decent job if heโd be willing to take a step down.
Current girlfriend's ex-husband served a few months for just this. It's not as simple as them not being able to afford it and getting put in jail for it, the courts work with you with that if that is legitimately the truth.
He got locked up because he was in contempt of court 4 times over it. He made $4500/mo and lived with his mom. He had $1200/mo in bills. He owed her $600/mo in child support on top of that. He refused to pay so she took him back to court. Court ordered him to pay all back child support which his bank statements proved he had the money available to do so. He refused that. Took him to court again and the court said you have 48 hours to direct deposit it to her account or your wages will be garnished. Instead of doing that he removed direct deposit from his job and withdrew all his money, cashed his checks manually. Dude just flat out told the judge 'idgaf I'm not paying her' so he was arrested and had to do time. He even had a sentence reduction opportunity from 90 days to 30 days if he paid in full yet still refused.
It's unacceptable what some men and women do to get out of paying child support and they should absolutely have their freedom temporarily revoked if they are malicious about refusing.
Clbull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's bad, did you know that male rape victims whose children were conceived during the rape have to pay child support under US law?
I never got this. You can't pay child support solution is we will put you to jail which costs a lot more to the goverment or state in USA not sure how it works but why not give the money they spend putting that guy in jail to the child?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre trying to deter other dads from not paying. Also the money inmates earn working inside goes directly to the child support.
Not only that, but child support arrears continue to pile up while a person is incarcerated, meaning youโre even farther behind when you got out. (True for all noncustodial parents who get locked up - not just the ones in for nonpayment of child support.)
Stasis20 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience as a domestic relations attorney, there are very few "you can't pay" situations and very, very many "you just won't pay" situations.
If you're making an effort, a real effort, at keeping a job and paying your arrears, the child support enforcement units, attorneys, and judges have no interest in putting you in jail. That would be stupid. Of course they want you to keep your job and keep paying. We're all in agreement with that. Or if you have a legitimate reason why it is you have been unable to pay, the court is going to give you ample opportunities to resolve the problem and get back on track.
If you're a habitual dead beat who has the ability to work/pay and you continually refuse to do so, yea, your ass is going to jail. And we all know that it's not going to help you pay, but it's a last resort when we have no other method of getting it through your thick head. I hate it, but the alternative is throwing our hands in the air and saying "Well, I guess you just get away with not paying."
I always boggle at the fucked up modern day debtors prison that puts dads in jail for not paying child support. โYou canโt pay your child support? Well good luck now you piece of shit!โ The logic is amazing.
The only reason it is like this is because men used to get dozens of women pregnant and skip the fuck out and if a court in another state said pay up they'd laugh all the way to fuckin up a few more kids.
If you want to understand why you go to jail for fucking a chick, putting a kid in her, and skipping out, then go back in time 100 years and take a fucking gander at how truly fucked up our society was.
God I don't think a single man in this thread truly understands what society looked like pre-abortion and pre-women's liberation.
P.S. you may not know people in the system but the guys in jail for not paying child support are 9 out of 10 choosing not to pay, not "good, upstanding men holding up jobs and trying desperately to do things right". You gotta go through several levels of "you have to pay" before this happens, so generally speaking it's deadbeats who make a choice not to pay. Often they'll voluntarily choose to not have a job because "that fuckin bitch will take it all anyway, what's the point" etc etc
The women's lib movement that changed society such that women could hold real jobs, get real educations, be a head of household, and not be completely subservient on a father or husband for her basic sustenance.
Sure would be hard to have a child from a deadbeat loser who pays you $0 when you are literally unable to get a proper education, hold a proper job, and buy a proper house in your community.
Seriously, and im suppose to trust Baby momma to spend all of that accordingly. Fuck that, give me my baby instead.
Cooli-OH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be a better solution, but god knows I donโt have it. Most of these guys really outta support their kids, but the amount they must pay should be adjusted to their actual income. Maybe it is? I actually know nothing about the details of child support but I know that lots of people have a hard time paying it
Or any other crime, really. Why waste time and money putting people in jail. Bring back the post, the stocks, and the gallows. Better form of justice.
Cooli-OH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol edgy.
Cooli-OH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So when you steal a bagel, you realize at that point that your punishment, as always, will be a whipping. So why not steal 15 bagels? Why not punch a random bystander? If the punishment is always a whipping, people who commit minor crimes may as well commit serious ones since theyโre equally fucked either way. Dumb dumb
I had a friend growing up and her dad ended up in this situation. Her mom and dad had a really messy divorce, and hated each other, but her mom even like went to court and was like "this is totally backwards and not helping anything, this is only making this shit harder".
As someone that had a deadbeat dad who didn't pay his child support out of spite I wouldn't mind the idea for him. But i assume that's a minority of the situations for men in prison so I don't support it.
The logic here, at least the logic of the judge in my county, is they will be required to get a job in jail (if they dont the judge wont release them) and the money they get from it will go to their child support
qx3okc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my dad's case he was just a penny pinching stubborn ass that refused to pay. Mom escalated it. He refused to pay and judge said he would go to jail till he was willing to pay something.
Dad went to jail twice.
Most of them just refuse to pay. My husbandโs mom raised him alone with no child support because his well to do dad wouldnโt pay anything and the state was useless. Jail would have done him good
sre01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side of this, what about the actual pieces of shit that just won't pay for their kids. I know a guy that has gotten fired or quit from every job he's ever had. The last one was at a store and they caught him on camera stealing money from the charity jars on the counter. He spends his days smoking pot, hanging with his obese stripper gf, and posting about libruls online. What do we do with someone like that?
klef25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Child support is based on your income. Fathers that don't pay child support are taking money that they have earned and spending it on themselves or their new fling. They are not jailed for being unable to pay. They're jailed for refusing to pay. Of course, they'll tell you they can't pay. They won't tell you how much they spend on a car or a gun or gambling or drinking.
Not that I disagree but what do we do with these situations, there has to be some kind of repercussion, you were responsible for bringing the kid into the world and you need to provide for him. I get that its counter intuitive to put them in jail but what can we do to make these guys want to pay the bill.
False. Most of this is that they WON'T pay child support or get a job at McDonald's. Judges are smart they question these things and send you to jail if you're a lousy fucking dad that doesn't want to put in the work to support your own child.
Source: worked at a court for a while got to sit in on hundreds of these
From mt experience most dads well mt dad atleast earns $180000 a year and took all the money car and left us with $25 and won't pay child support so...
I couldn't pay child support for a while, and the court worked with me to set up a hardship pause, and was even willing to forgive arrears if my ex would sign off.
Problem is most people in this situation don't call the CSA and share their problems.
I always boggle at the fucked up modern day debtors prison that puts dads in jail for not paying child support. โYou canโt pay your child support? Well good luck now you piece of shit!โ The logic is amazing.
This^ SO this.
Here's my theory if I ever get divorced. I aint paying shit. I'll pay child support because they're my kids and I love them but if they think I'm paying the, at the time Ex-Wife, a god damned penny they're smoking crack.
How long you think she's going to last without me making a penny? I wont be able to pay for the kids too. So they'll be out a home, out of food, no clothes, etc and I'll just sit in a fucking cell with a bunch of other deadbeats until the judge comes to their senses that having me locked away or paying spousal support hurts the kids more than her just getting a fucking job and taking care of herself which is why I'd be getting divorced anyway.
See the problem is if jail is the only thing you can do to make me pay spousal support then you can't ratchet it up from there.
I never understood that about the US. Here in Canada, if a father doesnโt pay, the court will just order a wage garnishment. This will also affect any tax returns, dividend payouts, etc. The father will never see the money as it will just be deducted automatically at source and forwarded to the legal receiver (either the other parent or social services)
Most debts work this way. If a creditor wants to go through the hassle they can apply to the courts and get a wage garnishment order sent to your employer.
Jail occurs only after wage garnishment and other civil remedies have been attempted. A parent who fails to pay child support ends up in jail as a result of being found in contempt for violating the order to pay child support. This is a possible consequence for violating orders in many other types of cases. A judge makes an individual determination about whether or not a parent is genuinely unable pay. If the parent is unable to pay, the court will make adjustments, were statutorily possible, to their child support obligation. Some states have minimum child support payments. I imagine the big hole in the net that truly indigent parents fall through most often, is failing to make their case that they canโt pay. They probably just fail to show up at court. Typically, the parents in jail are the ones who are intentionally avoiding payment. For example, not reporting wages earned โunder the table.โ
The biggest issue is that this is all wrapped up in the mentality of welfare reform. When a parent doesnโt pay child support, the child and custodial parent often become reliant on the state for support. Thus, the state takes the position that when you donโt pay child support you are stealing from the tax payer.
Everything varies by state.
By briefly reading over Canadian contempt legislation, it appears that Canada does in fact allow imprisonment for violating a court order. Perhaps child support is handled outside of the civil law system, or their is a carve out for child support?
In the case of contempt of court I could see how jail would be warranted. In Canada we have the family courts which I believe are in the US as well (correct me if Iโm wrong). They are a separate and distinct court system, but basically civil in nature.
I also wonder if, having a smaller population and a more centralized federal government with strong taxation powers, itโs just easier to collect in Canada?
Unless someone is hiding money offshore or playing crypto-currency markets, the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) pretty much tracks every dollar everyone is making.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This only works on the US if they report their earnings. If they hide their income, and it is absolutely possible, then wages cannot be garnished.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It also requires wages to garnish. If they aren't making any money, they can't pay child support.
It's also religiously based. If you are married, then there is no child support. If you lose your job, you just lose your job and the family must adapt.
But if you aren't married, then child support is set in stone and if you lose your job or your income is reduced, you go to jail.
Good ol' republican family values. Gotta punish people who don't form a perfect christian family.
Canโt pay child support? Letโs put you in a place where you still canโt pay and probably end up not being able to pay once you leave.
cweisspt ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a CO, and most of the dudes never paying weren't paying cuz they were getting paid under the table and didn't want to pay. If you cant pay, because of a loss of job or not being paid enough, there are channels to work it out.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 19:27:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Stasis20 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reposting myself here to reinforce your point.
In my experience as a domestic relations attorney, there are very few "you can't pay" situations and very, very many "you just won't pay" situations.
If you're making an effort, a real effort, at keeping a job and paying your arrears, the child support enforcement units, attorneys, and judges have no interest in putting you in jail. That would be stupid. Of course they want you to keep your job and keep paying. We're all in agreement with that. Or if you have a legitimate reason why it is you have been unable to pay, the court is going to give you ample opportunities to resolve the problem and get back on track.
If you're a habitual dead beat who has the ability to work/pay and you continually refuse to do so, yea, your ass is going to jail. And we all know that it's not going to help you pay, but it's a last resort when we have no other method of getting it through your thick head. I hate it, but the alternative is throwing our hands in the air and saying "Well, I guess you just get away with not paying."
Yeah idk it still seems fucked to send a dude to jail for that. There are really girls out there who think they can trap men into being in their life forever by having a kid with them. If they donโt claim the child theyโre seen as shitty but if they claim the child theyโre โstepping up and doing the right thingโ. Doesnโt matter that they didnโt ask to be a father. They could have protested through the whole thing.
Iโm honestly so passionate about this topic. My older brother had a very mentally unstable girl force him into fatherhood. He attempted suicide twice. He and I had joked so many times about how weโd be baby-less and rich forever. He never wanted to have kids. He had essentially no way out and has ended up being a father. Heโs a great father and his lil girl is adorable but fuck his ex for doing that to him. He had to quit uni and get a job to pay his stupid child support.
So yeah I think sending a dude away who doesnโt want to have to pay for a kid he didnโt want is fucked up and there should be another solution like giving up their parental rights or idk SOMETHING.
Also Iโm a girl (Iโve made it a habit to say this bc everyone always assumes Iโm male since this is reddit haha)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Women typically donโt pay child support though. Itโs extremely rare but would honestly make far more sense. You chose to bring this child into the world (assuming she had it of her own free will) then decided you couldnโt do it so you have to pay for it to survive.
Iโve seen both spectrums though. I grew up in the โhoodโ and there were tons of low lifeโs who were honestly just lucky enough to find someone that wanted them intimately. The guys who deal drugs and pocket $500 per week but when their baby needs diapers, they shrug. Also I wouldnโt say they had every option handed to them. Family court is pretty prejudicial.
I get it, I do. But I guess my point is that not every man wants to be a father. Not every man wants to spend all of his money on a child. Some people are selfish as fuck. But thatโs totally okay. If the situation was reversed and dudes were the ones getting knocked up and someone tried to force me into a kid, I wouldnโt give them anything in return. I signed up to get laid not to start a family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah, I would hope anyone having sex recognizes their risks. But there should be a discussion, should the birth control fail, should they decide not to use it for whatever reason (โpull out methodโ), etc, what they would do in a situation where a pregnancy happened.
But with that said birth control does fail more often than youโd think. Especially in younger girls on the pill. The pill is amazing when taken correctly but most girls donโt take it correctly. Then there are girls who lie. Then there are people who mess around without any protection in the heat of the moment. That doesnโt mean theyโre signing up for a baby.
I think explicitly stating that you donโt want to have kids to her, the girl lying about having the birth control shot and keeping the kid after he told her he didnโt want one (couldnโt afford one, has never been good with kids or babies, asked her if she would be okay with abortion and or adoption at the least), and the two suicide attempts at the thought of having to raise a child should have been more than enough.
But guess what you dumb fucking troll? He did โstep upโ and the mother is the fucking dead beat that forced this child into existence and then decided to do cocaine every weekend instead of take care of her baby. He dropped out of school and got a job to take care of a child he never asked to have.
Someone explicitly stating that they donโt want to be a parent is not stupid at all. Why would you want to have a kid with someone that hates kids and has never wanted them? Why would you want to bring a child into a world where their father tried to kill himself because the thought of being stuck with a child for his whole life scared him to death? You shouldnโt.
Our mom cut ties and divorced my dad after I was born because he was a shitty father and basically admitted he didnโt want to be a parent. THAT was a smart thing for her to do. Far better than forcing someone. If the woman wants the children and the man doesnโt that should be an active part of her thought process when deciding to keep the child: that she may end up raising it on her own and that should be okay with her. A baby is not a weapon you use against someone
Fact is. No one in our family would have blamed him for ditching the situation all together. He signed up for consensual sex with his girlfriend of one month. He didnโt sign up for parenthood. Itโs literally the mothers responsibility (it should be, anyway) to get the baby food and diapers. She is the one that โwantedโ it so badly.
So letโs review the facts again, you fucking dickhead. He stated from the get-go (as a responsible 20 year old should) that he was not interested in having a child and if abortion or adoption was out of the question should she get pregnant, he didnโt want to have sex. The girl lied and said yes. The girl also lied about being on the birth control shot. The girl was off of her bipolar medications. The girl waited until they broke up to decide to keep the baby. The girl then forced my brother into parenthood despite him finding adoption agencies, despite him pleading with her, despite him trying to kill himself twice, despite having never wanted kids.
So go fuck your self. My brother was at a top 20 university for petroleum engineering and now he does IT for a shitty company with a shitty boss so he can support his (admittedly lovely) daughter. Sheโs a great little girl but she has a fucked up mom and a dad who is clinically depressed but trying his best. You donโt know shit.
No, there aren't. You're under the (very common) delusion that family court is fair. It is not. It's singular purpose is to fuck men over, extract them of resources to transfer to women, and if a man complains, he's sent to jail for contempt of court. Same thing for child support (which is actually secondary alimony as it has nothing to do with the requirements of the child).
There's a remarkable amount of people who can pay but refuse to. My ex husband only works under the table jobs because he doesn't way to have to pay taxes or help pay for his son. In the past six years, he's paid $200 towards his son.
I get what you guys are saying about debtor's prison and that's a shitty thing. I don't think it's right. But, I just wanted to clarify that oftentimes it's not a lack of ability to pay, it's a lack of willingness.
And, no. My ex isn't in jail, but he is almost seven years in arrears and while I recognize shit could go bad for him if the courts ever looked into it, I also recognize he made a choice to ignore a legally binding court document.
centran ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:32:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously people get caught for this but I always wondered how do you prove it? Do you subpoena for their bank account records to try and prove they are getting paid under the table? I have a friend who is in the same situation as you and wondered how the hell she would prove he is making much more then he says.
Stasis20 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:04:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very tough sometimes. Yes, bank records are one way. Loan applications are another. For example, if you apply for a credit card and say that you make $50,000.00 per year, you're either lying on your credit card app or the money is coming from somewhere else.
Purchases can help establish income as well. If he's spending more money than he claims he's making, then you can account for the difference.
Subpoenaing employers/contractors to testify helps. Yes, people will sometimes lie for their employees, but more often than not, people won't risk their own ass lying for someone else.
A lot of times it comes down to the judge making the call. Judges can impute income if they believe the person is reporting income below their actual earnings, or even if they have a higher earning capacity and are simply choosing to make less. Judges get good at sniffing out liars. Also, people aren't nearly as good at lying as they think they are. Most people will screw up and the truth has a way of coming out.
If Iโm 22 can I sue my dad for 18 years old child support lol
Stasis20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. Depends on your state laws. Most states allow an adult child to sue for support, but there is a statute of limitations. There may also be the issue of whether paternity was established prior to you reaching 18.
The SoL in my state is 23. If you're serious, it wouldn't hurt you to check with a domestic relations attorney in your state, but you probably want to do it sooner rather than later.
Disclaimer: I'm not your lawyer, this is not legal advice, general examples, etc.
Barafu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but if, say, the guy earns 600$ and has to pay 550$, is he considered "can pay but refuse to" ?
I wasn't aware there were scales of payment that would make the non custodial parent fully destitute. My state has a sliding scale based on how much you make and total support can't exceed some specific percentage. However, my state also says that if you're unemployed you pay $0 and there is no mandatory minimum payment for child support.
Barafu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problems come when people go down in the world. Someone has lost a job after his payment values are established, and the system refuses to re-calculate the payments.
It is a bit simpler in countries where job contracts are obligatory and payment must go through a bank.
P.S. The taxes my granny has to pay are exactly equal to her retirement. So I am a bit angry in this topic.
Man, that's rough. The only perspective I have is through my own situation, so I wasn't aware that there could be such issues. Thanks for letting me know what else is going on out there.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:39:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A good friend of mine got into a mess with his kids mom when she screwed him on child support he had actually paid. While it was being disputed, the state suspended every single state license he had. They suspended his tattoo license, so he could not work. They suspended his driver's license, so he could not drive to a different job. Fuckers even suspended his fishing license, so he couldn't even live off the damn land. It was ridiculous.
And, of course, all of this guaranteed for sure that he would not generate any income to pay his current child support bill, much less the disputed back amount.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:43:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, flip this around on the married assholes who refuse to pay until the threat of jail is held over them. My sister's ex is doing this right now. She works full-time, and barely survives. Child support would be so nice...but dad is literally like "no way. Gfy."
tempski ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always curious to find out, did the guy want the child in the first place? I can completely understand why someone doesn't want to pay if he was forced in such a situation.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. He was married and was my sister's boss. He knocked her up and told her they'd get married, etc. Everything would be wonderful, she was assured.
Then one day my sister is at her desk, and this woman walks in and asks "is my husband around?" My sister asks "who is your husband?" And lo' it was her "boyfriend". It turns out he has 3 kids already and just liked tormenting my sister.
The real doozy is that the family is still together. I can't understand why people put up with such abuse. I've walked out of relationships from far less abuse.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would someone have a kid with someone they hardly know though? Why didn't your sister wait to have kids until she married the guy first?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im not gonna suggest she is innocent, but the dude doing the lying is definitely the evil one.
tempski ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No doubt about that and I hope he will get what's coming to him, but like you said, your sister is partly to blame for her role as well.
Ambralin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imo, both parents should have the option, if done early enough (so your story wouldnโt apply), to opt of parental responsibilities such as child-support.
Maker1357 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's the fault of the kids and not a fucked up and biased court system! ./s
ninja2126 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:55:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's saying that. He's saying he will never put himself in a spot where this could happen. But please continue your political commentary.
Governments are made up of self sustaining institutions. Judiciary is one of those institutions. It is political, because the court decisions are influenced by politics.
Hey, congrats on making it thru jail here's your freedom paperwork. Looks like you have some unpaid bills in there. Whats this? You havent paid your child support in the past 2 months? Looks like you're in the wrong line, back in ya go!
I imagine $100% this is how jail works. Lines and jail diplomas.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No joke. After they get out, they won't be getting any job offers or good careers with prison time in their background. But hey, that's the price for being a poor guy.
You can get out of jail for work. But they just donโt want to work so they donโt have to pay child support.
Barafu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the only places that would accept such workers are slums where you earn 1$ per hour and where you are guaranteed to get a crippling injury over the course of a year because they never care about safety.
Speaking of anxiety, I was on trial for 1 1/2 year looking at 5-99 for a while, every month every court appointment was me preparing to say goodbye to everyone just in case for a year and a half.
Ended up with the heaviest charge dropped at my last session, and 2 years of probation.
Probably like 70% of the people there were barflys doing a couple months for their second DUI
20% non-violent, small time, drug dealers (me)
10% dads who couldn't pay child support
From your language I'm going to assume you're american.
The list above is both sad and deranged.
I don't understand how the american 'justice' system works.
Oh it works perfectly as intended, that is to say to enslave poor minorities. For profit prisons, isn't the free market great? Can't wait to buy my next recreational McNuke.
I wasn't getting paid in money, I was getting paid in freedom. Every hour in the kitchen was an hour off my sentence. It's why I only served 67 of the 90 days.
TIL: They let you use all 24 of your daily hours in prison.
edit: OP said jail. So you get to keep all 24 hours in jail. They might take some of your hours in prison. That might, in fact, be the difference in the two.
To clear up comments: in America, you don't get thrown in jail for the inability to pay child support. You get thrown in jail for the refusal to pay child support. This is usually after trying to get you to pay something and you simply don't wanna, or after you owe a significant amount that you, again, refuse to pay on. Y'all have no idea how many piece of shit "fathers" out there feel like they don't owe their kids a goddamn thing.
This is not correct. You can be thrown in jail if you cannot meet the ordered amount (if the total unpaid reaches a certain point). And also, for contempt of court, if the judge feels particularly cruel that day. And contempt of court has no limit. You could be jailed for life. All the while your child support total continues to climb. It isn't paused while you're in prison.
Relentless anxiety for the months leading up to it, and then within like 10 minutes of being there I knew it was going to be fine.
This is so accurate. The court shit and worry is so much worse than the actual time.
10% dads who couldn't pay child support
This was the one I didn't really get. There was a guy in my pod who was doing something outrageous like 3 months for missing child support payments. I get it that he needs to be held accountable for the child support the court ordered him to pay, but how is he supposed to pay it after being locked up for 3 months? I guarantee he's not going to have a job waiting for him after being absent for 3 months. Seems a bit self-defeating and there must be a better way.
My dad wanted joint custody even though he was actually never there. My mom never sought after the money the courts said he should pay but we knew when he was in prison because money would show up. Maybe Texas does it different.
mildiii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How common is it to go go into prison and then go "oh I know those guys from highschool"
I'm SURE I'll get downvoted to hell for this but couldn't or wouldn't and aren't about to admit they're deadbeats not even trying? Bet at least 1 or 2 of that 10% fall into that designation...
Haikubo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds a bit like my office.
gustomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell were you that they have a cappuccino machine? Whaaat? In the feds?
Eh, the person I knew from high school and one of the guys from college were business majors like me, and were in jail for...conducting business.
The other guy just worked at my college as a cook and I had bought weed from him once. He was in there for a DUI though. He was hilarious and looked exactly like Charles Manson.
Midwest USA. The county is composed primarily of a bunch of 1000-5000 person towns. Very little violent crime so I guess they don't really need to be "tough." Everyone there was for the most part very normal, functioning members of society.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friend's brother was in the military and stationed in Germany for a bit. I don't remember the context (was drunk) but he said Heisse Scheisse would be an awesome band name and it cracked me up.
Well, I'm Will, not so much Mike...but I can answer that it's the awful food. Also, everyone in there has a chip on their shoulder. I mean the correctional officers. It's like, "Dude, we all make mistakes. I just got caught, you know? When I get out of here, I'll be shopping at walmart just like you, and I might even use the same post office. We're not at war, you know."
I actually told that to my arresting officer, whom I saw again in jail.
It was actually considered a form of organized crime, so they laid me out. (It wasn't)
"Conspiracy" and strong words like that are used to indicate that it was all premeditated while you're sitting there during your hearing.
Sucks.
I cut a deal early on with the county and got out of serving what hard dudes call 'real time' but Basically the way I was handled during the initial "approach" of the police was bullshit. But I was in jail and it sucks.
My dad is a storyteller and went to prison 3 times. He got out the first time for two weeks before he went back for two more years. He got out again before he went back in only days later for violation of parole. He never went back because his new cell mate was an 80 year old man who told him, "I've been here since I was your age. In case you're bad at math, that's sixty years. I have no chance of parole and I know I'm going to die here. You think being here for however long you're in for is bad? Imagine knowing there's no way out. You best straighten yourself before you end up like me, son." My dad never went back.
On an unrelated note, this was the same man who my dad practiced chess with every day for two years. I still have yet to beat my dad at chess.
I first watched Shawshank on family guy. Then saw the original on a flight. I swear I thought the โshit smelling foulnessโ was a creation of Seth, and when I actually heard it in the movie I was amazed it was actually the quote lol.
It was called Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption. It was part of the different seasons book by Stephen King. This should be the whole text Although the book should be readily available
I'm desensitized to them now because of it, I just like the storytelling in some parts and how it sometimes feels like a "regular life but with a twist" thing
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:40:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't fuck anyone on that show with YOUR dick.
ThreeLZ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:33:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't go to prison for snitching. Pretty sure he just meant his dad got sent to prison for lying about something
Noble_Ox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People snitch to get reduced sentences. I've heard storyteller used in place of snitch before.
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While both of the things you said are true, they arent really relevant to what i said. You don't get sent to prison for snitching. You could get out of prison for snitching, but OP said that they were in prison for storytelling. So snitching wouldn't make sense in that context.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:14:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he was a bard
page395 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it just means his dad told a lot of stories, including this story about his time in jail.
Stooby2 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:55:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It appears to be a heinous crime wherever u/Jeymezians lives.
Sabmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was expecting a comment about how his dad became super popular in the prison for narrating epic tales to eager crowds and reading bedtime stories to the inmates every night
There are people in my age that go to prison for life without parole. 16-20 years old.
People who just left school, didn't work , didn't have their first kiss or sex, not even a license and go to prison for THE REST OF THEIR LIFES.
Of course they deserve it when they murder innocent people. But still. Being 18 and knowing that everyone outside is living the life and having the time of their lifes while you sit in your dirty cell for the rest of your life.... Jesus that would be the worst thing that could happen to me.
shaokim ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:17:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, if you get a chance, please record the moves of some games your father plays, would love to see some prison style chess.
The fact he was in prison 3 times and supposedly only 20 since the guy has been in prison for 60 years. Prison 3 times would mean he got 2, year+ terms previously. Which is almost impossible for a 20 year old. Unlikely you go to prison as a first time felon unless a serious crime even then you can get probation, 2nd time they give you no breaks plus your probation time. Getting convicted of two separate felonies out of prison and a parole violation by the time you're 20 is close to impossible. Add in all the movie bullshit dialogue. On top of all that a 80 year old in prison serving 60 years is very rare. Prisons aren't known for having elderly who live a long time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is almost impossible for a 20 year old.
Yeah, I knew a guy who did that. No as a 20 year old, but like 26. First he gets charged with possession of meth paraphernalia, which I think was a misdemeanor and a fine.
Then get gets married and beats his wife, vandalizes her property in excess of a certain amount of time, and is insolent in court. That's a felony so he goes to jail for a shortened period of time and comes out on probation.
Then he gets blackout drunk and crashes his car while on probation and hurts another person, and goes to jail for another few months. Think he got another 2 years of probation from that and had a restricted/suspended license. Basically he could only go to work and back and had to ask his parole officer to do anything else
Sentences of imprisonment less than a year are jail and not prison. You don't see guys serving life in jail unless they are there on murder charges. Which a 80 year old will have a very hard time doing.
-JWS- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that it sounds exactly like it came out of a cliche movie where some guy breaks out of prison
Spent the night in Orange county lockup. Got bailed out, but not before listening to a hardcore African American with dreads and tattoos hitching that he'd been profiled because of his car, and when he got out he was going to get"the biggest Damn Dodge pickup with a Dixie flag in the window and a kkk sticker on the bumper. Shotgun rack too. Them Damn cracker cops ain't never gonna pull muy black ass over again!" funny guy.
tanarchy7 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:37:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It depends, usually black. Some people use African American for anyone who is dark skinned which is funny when they're neither African nor American. Personally I use black because lots of black folks I know dont like African American if they are American, considering that they're ya know, just American. Especially if the person in question has never been to Africa, which is usually the case lol.
Since their heritage is African but they've never lived in Africa and are Americans.
Many people say black but sometimes I feel that people are afraid to say black in front of an African American because it seems derogatory or insensitive,
Yeah I don't get that. I'll bet they still call it "Black History Month" though
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:32:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats this month. There was a documentary on about the Symbionese Liberation Army for 'Black History Month' which is weird because the SLA was %95 Caucasian.
5redrb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'll think he's a long lost friend and pull him over as a joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the Orange County, California jail. I was the only non-Mexican in the place. I'm not kidding.
Shit, those inmates look scary AF! And it is huge! And I think it may be a requirement to get a face tattoo from looking at all the mugshots. Please correct me if I am incorrect on the face tattoos. I would be scared shitless going to a jail like that.
I don't know if I was in during a slow time, or just was lucky. I was in on a car violation(no insurance), so the guys were pretty chill. Weirdest things i saw were the transvestite hooker who was brought in(definitely would have fooled me) and a guy who i gave my dessert to. Be offered me a cigarette he'd smuggled in behind his ball sack. Seriously, dude had ten smokes and a bic lighter he'd somehow hidden from the pat down in his taint and ass crack. No, i didn't take the cigarette, but told him I appreciated the offer. I got out the next day, and immediately got insurance.
LordCrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say soyboy that was another person.
I looked it up on urban dictonary.
"Slang used to describe males who completely and utterly lack all necessary masculine qualities. This pathetic state is usually achieved by an over-indulgence of emasculating products and/or ideologies."
Yaxax ยท 2670 points ยท Posted at 15:47:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Completely alone apart from the camera on the ceiling, kept feeling like I had massively fucked up over something so petty. My mind was racing so nothing made sense, couldnโt figure out how to flush the toilet, couldnโt sleep because I felt like I was being watched... basically nothing, but my mind wouldnโt shut up. I was terrified and cried a lot.
I was in a holding cell for two hours after stealing from GameStop when I was 11. The game was returned, no charges were filed and my criminal record is clean. Looking back I think the police did it to scare me. It worked.
dsf900 ยท 731 points ยท Posted at 17:21:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What game?
TonyP2000 ยท 306 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
420J28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you bet caught that seems like an easy theft?
sethro34 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think his biggest problem was being 11. They usually aren't the smartest
Yaxax ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:57:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre right. I didnโt even go there to steal, my friend just put it in my backpack and told me to walk out. The alarms went off and two off-duty policeman happened to be walking past the store.
ExoHead ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:52:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your friend is really dumb, what did he think would happen
Handed the my passport to the guy at customs on my way through O.R. Tambo. He looked at my โvisaโ funny, said โNever seen one like this before...โ and my heart kinda dropped into my stomach almost immediately. I didnโt really think much, just went into a numb sort of survival mode and tried to keep a low profile.
No white boy in his right mind lets himself get arrested in South Africa. Fortunately, they stuffed me in a cell with all the other illegal immigrant types for a week. As a white American, I had a kind of celebrity status I hadnโt expected. Everything was cool: Pakistani Muslims sharing food with Ugandan Christians; christians sharing weed with Muslims while I ran lookout.
Huh. I got stopped at O.R. Tambo for having some weed in my carryon which I packed by mistake. They let me go after about half an hour, but I missed my flight. I was broke and so were my glasses so I spent 2 days in the airport without food and half blind waiting for the next flight. Good times.
cn2092 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:59:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was it a fake?
eazolan ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 19:13:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet it wasn't, that the customs guy was looking for a bribe.
Nah bru, in O.R Tambo? This isn't some shabby road block on the side of the road
eazolan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:34:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More experienced people will have to say if Tambo customs looks for bribes.
JediRonin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:29:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live literally 5 minutes drive away from OR Tambo and can confirm that thereโs a 95% chance the guy was looking for a bribe. As is, getting your valuables from your bag stolen is basically expected, and there have been constant scandals of smuggling and so on.
One of my friends got pulled over by the police in his rental car on the off ramp from the airport where he got shaken down because they didnโt like his foreign driverโs license.
Yeah. I was young and dumb โ had moved to SA to be with my long distance girlfriend. Obtaining a visa was proving difficult, so someone directed me to a guy who could supposedly hook me up with a legit work visa for the low price of 400 rand (something like 40 bucks at the time โ a total bargain.)
As it turned out, the visa was not at all legit. In retrospect, the intelligent thing to do would have been to show them my expired tourist visa, get a fine and leave without much hassle. I was not thinking intelligently at the time.
Official charge was for fraud. Came with a 7,000ish rand fine. I was lucky to have an ex-girlfriend who thought we still had a chance, so she contacted my mom to get me a plane ticket out, while her dad played the part of my lawyer. Talk about awkward. You get like a week or something to pay your own way out and โself deportโ. Catch is that once youโre behind bars, youโve got like zero contact with the outside world, so most guys end up like the Afghani I met, whoโd been stuck in the system for over a month, and according to the officers who escorted me back to the airport when I got out, would likely be locked up for another two months before they finally got deported back.
Several of the guys I met were actually trying to get to Canada/USA, had to take a super convoluted route with their illegitimate passports, got busted a few countries out and sent back to the last country theyโd been in โ which happened to be SA.
cn2092 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Geez. I'm glad it worked out for you, anyway.
takatori ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:06:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! Thatโs what you get when guys start thinking with their penises. I was under the impression it was real, however. Bribing government officials for things is pretty commonplace in SA. But sometimes the guys you bribe arenโt actually from the government.
Reminds me of rehab in the sense that there were some good times. I mean the rehab was shitty, not fancy at all, and everyone called it voluntary jail. Made friendships with people I never would have otherwise. And we were all sober which made it feel real. I really miss some of those people.
Iโm not understanding what you did to get arrested.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Piano9717 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:02:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
O.R Tambo is johannesburg airport in south africa
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:39:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Johannesburg is pretty dangerous, no?
Mr_Fields ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:02:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It can be depending on what part of the city and what time of day. I spent the better part of 3 weeks there in a hostel and while I never had any issues at all, the owner of the place told us certain areas of the city to avoid, especially at Night, and told us a few harrowing stories. All in all just don't be an idiot and think before you do things.
Edit: a word.
[deleted] ยท -214 points ยท Posted at 18:58:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to do 5 days for probation violation (booze hound/drug addict - I failed a piss test).
The first day consisted of me checking in at county and sitting in booking for 24 hrs. The booking area had the most uncomfortable chairs created (if there is a hell, it will be filled with these hard plastic chairs that are impossible to sleep in). It sucked. All I could think about was how much this sucked and how I had no one to blame but myself.
Decided right there to start taking the mandatory addiction classes seriously. And start trying. Otherwise, I would just end up back in jail, surrounded by pedophiles and violent offenders (which is not pleasant).
Best thing that ever happened to me.
J1nglz ยท 5095 points ยท Posted at 16:09:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got put in max for Felony Assault, up to 8 years, after this dude tried to force my girlfriend (now wife) into a bathroom with him at a bar. I only threw one punch but he wound up falling though a plate window and slicing arteries. After 2 days in holding with people coming down off of all the drugs (meth/heroin...etc) and the transfers trying to start fights with everyone, I got sent to 23-hr lockdown in A-pod, which is reserved for violent offenders. One skinhead dude was in on 23 counts of various forms of homicide/manslaughter so shit got real fast.
Cell got tossed at one point and they questioned me. I didn't say shit. Which in hindsight was smart since when my cellmate got back he asked a guy across the way if I said anything. Then he introduced himself to me. After that we were cool and he vouched for me saying I was in there "for some real shit."
God knows how long it was before this happened, hours tick by like days. Time stands still. My cellmate had been in for 2 of his 6 years with repeated trafficking, felony firearm, battery on an officer... well got back from a hearing super excited saying "Well if I plea to this or that I should be able to get out in a month!" He was dead serious but inside my head I knew there was no way. Something about his conviction while staring me dead in the eyes made me realize that there is absolutely nothing else going on in his head but trying to get out.
That night while brushing my teeth, I remember staring at myself in the mirror thinking... "I truly believe I'm getting out tomorrow too." That was the most eye-openingly present yet emotionally detached pit of realization I have ever fallen into.
I was lucky though. My charges got dropped on self-defense after bar surveillance showed him touching me first so FUCK THAT!
I make sure to avoid situations that might put me in that situation. I don't have shit to prove to anyone. It used to be fuck cops. Now its fuck jail. I'm never going back.
ham_techs ยท 3976 points ยท Posted at 17:38:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Nearly killed a guy with one punch for trying to rape my girl" seems worth some serious cred.
3rd Degree Murder is commonly referred to as Voluntary Manslaughter. That is what you are most likely to hear as the charge. Either way, I guess.
PsyGuy98 ยท 947 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems odd that they decided to throw you in a maximum security prison before looking at the surveillance tape to see if your story was true. How long were you in there?
Some county jails will put you in a higher security side of the jail where violent offenders wait.
You can sit in jail for a very long time before getting convicted of anything if you're really unfortunate. You're usually getting 2 days worth of time 'credit per one day, so there's that..
Like the only time I got actually sentenced to jail, it was an 75 day sentence or close to that, but I had done like 45 days before brig granted a chance to bail so I guess luckily I was all severed by then sms got to just wash my hands of things... besides for the null prosi that shows on a background check, that's kinda screwed me out of some decent paying jobsand being arrested in the first pls ed forced me to drop out of college for 5 years in the middle of my 3rd year.
The only time I actually got sentenced to jail, it was a 75 day sentence, or close, but I had already served 45 days before being granted a chance to bail. Thus, fortunately, I had served my required time by then and was able to just wash my hands of things...except for the nolle prosequi that shows on the background check, which put off some prospective employers of decent paying jobs. Alongside these unfortunate circumstances getting arrested also forced me to drop out of college for 5 years whilst in the middle of my 3rd year. Quelle horreur!
Nequitia ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:51:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude got sentenced to 75 days in jail but he had already been in jail for 45 days before he was sentenced and his pre-sentence jail credit days were each worth two days, so after serving 45 days he had 95 daysโ worth of credit and was immediately released. The only part of it that screwed him is the fact that a โ nolle prosequiโ shows on his background check when getting a job. A nolle prosequi, normally called โnolleโ (like the name Molly with an n), is a dismissal. So instead of your background check showing you were found โnot guiltyโ of a crime, it shows that the charges were dismissed. For employers who have seen a lot of these checks, they understand a Nolle to mean โthe state dismissed this case after the defendant served the pretrial jail time we wanted from himโ - not that the defendant was innocent of the charge.
This happened to one of my relative's. His ex-girlfriend accused him of trying to kill her and he was put straight in jail where the violent offenders were. There was 0 evidence anything happened. Just her word that this happened one morning after he broke up with her. She told me on the phone she was mad that he broke up with her and she was sorry for making it up. I pleaded with her to tell the truth but she said her family would disown her if she helped him get out. It was surreal.
Anyway, he was desperate to get out so he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge because they said he could go free afterward and leave the state. His ex followed him later and the whole story was nuts.
There absolutely is such a thing as a maximum security jail. I'm honestly not sure what the real term was. Certain counties won't house inmates with certain charges and will ship them off to other counties that have the necessary security in place to deal with them.
I've been to "regular" county jail as well as max security. I wasn't in max for any violent charges, that county jail just happened to qualify for maximum security inmates. Even though I was there for nonviolence charges in a "low security pod", it was VERY different from regular jail. Regular jail there are people smoking weed, making alcohol, doing heroin/pills, smoking tobacco, and fucking around with cell phones once in a blue moon. I spent twice as much time in max as I did in regular and I never saw any of that shit even once. Also, the guards will not hesitate to beat the living daylights out of you in max. They tased a girl to death while she was handcuffed on the ground while I was there.
One part of me likes that you don't have to wait in jail for a sentence (except murder at least) where I live. The other would like repeat offenders to be in jail to wait for a sentence.
There was a guy who I knew was waiting for trial for battery. Then later he told me he stole a nice car the night before while high on speed. He then crashed it and tried to hide from the cops.
Then not long after he robbed the local 24/7 store. He was out not long after and I saw him here and there for almost a year. Haven't seen him for a few months so he's probably in prison.
I WAS ON DEATH ROW FOR NINETEEN YEARS BUT THEY LOOKED At THE VIDEO AND SAW IT WASNT ME I'M NOT EVEN REMOTELY CHINESE
Halfchow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:19:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dude was mean mugging my girl so I threw a right cross and knocked him thru the wall into the parking lot. Murder was the case that they gave me. After 78 years in alcatraz they watched the tapes and saw homeboy had a katana
I'm pretty sure that he meant that he was in the max security section of the jail and was FACING up to 8 years
pbuddISU ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:25:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you do.
Theyโll take you in to process you and set bail and such.
If there is no bail set, or if you canโt pay bail theyโll need to hold you for longer before the trial. If itโs a violent crime it would make sense that heโd be proceeded into a more secure prison.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:29:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a jail, not prison. Prisons are for convicted felons only.
pbuddISU ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:32:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. You are correct.
I was going off of my own experience of being arrested for drunken tomfoolery in college. Looked it up and I was definitely processed in Story County Jail. Not a prison.
Could OP have been referring to some kind of max security jail?
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:34:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. I'm a Deputy and we do have two seperate facilities. A main building for non-violent offenders and then a Maximum Security Facility downtown for violent felony offenders.
He said he was in a max sec 'pod' which I assume from personal experience means a section of the county jail reserved for violent offenders and inmates requiring more supervision.
All people that have been to prison have been to jail, but not everyone who goes to jail gets sent to prison.
seymour1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's highly dependent upon location. If I were to be arrested and charged for a crime I'd be processed through local jail and then put in to Delaware County prison to await trial. I know plenty of people who went to that prison before being sentenced.
My brother went to a state penitentiary while awaiting trial because county was full. Every time I visited he was black and blue from the beatings he was getting (or possibly provoking, in some cases). Thankfully, he eventually hooked up with a gang that protected him and went from being a clueless teenager in prison for marijuana possession with intent (He wasn't dealing, just had a lot of weed) to an adult with a felony record and connections supplying him cocaine to cook and sell crack with.
My brother was in jail for a few months right after he turned 18 because he was with some other teenagers when one decided to punch and steal an iPod from another (alcohol was involved so things got stupid). He told me when he got out about this guy who would. Not. Stop. Telling him all about how to steal cars.
I have another brother who spent a lot of his formative years in mental health facilities and he came home with more new bad habits every single time. Itโs all a ridiculous mess. (From one to another, sorry your brother is a little dumb. Iโm still holding out hope mine will grow out of it.)
Yes you do. They put you there if they find you having just committed a crime, or committing a crime. The sequence is usually arrest -> jail (which you can get out of, if you file bail, or if it's only a light offense, ie., not physically harming a man to the point of death) -> trial -> freedom or possibly more jail
I think what he was trying to say is the county jail qualified as a max security. I live in a fairly large city and when I was arrested for a nonviolent charge and spent like 3 days in a county jail but it qualified as a max security.
23hr lockdowns, 1 hour to walk around, play cards, watch tv or shower and then back locked down.
If the police feel they initially have enough evidence they can arrest you and charge you and you will be detained to a county jail until your trial date if you canโt post bond. And sometimes your county jail can qualify as max, and if they feel you are a danger to your self or to other and for certain other reasons you may be placed on heightened supervision. (Which is administrative segregation) adseg is the same place people that get in trouble go aka the hole.
Thereโs another one and the guys name escapes me (might be this one?). Black guy in NY got sent to rykers for YEARS over a stolen backpack that he didnโt steal, it was mistaken identity.
They kept doing administrative bs to delay his hearing and nobody wanted to listen cause he didnโt have money. He was good for awhile but prison changed him and he started getting in trouble...finally got released but was fucked up by that point and killed himself. So fucking sad and I was stunned because Iโd never realized they really can hold you and you canโt do shit about it without money. He got a settlement I believe but again life is fucked by then...keep your money I want my life
Kalief Browder, I watched his story recently on Netflix. I haven't felt so simultaneously angry and sad since watching Dear Zachary. What he went through and how it effected him was seriously fucked up. Then, when he was released, NY authorities kept using delaying and bullying tactics to avoid paying him any financial compensation. He really tried hard to regain control of his life, but his experiences in prison did a number on him psychologically, he truly suffered and so did his family, his Mum in particular. He ended up hanging himself, which was witnessed by his Mum and she died not long afterwards.
Better written summary than I and yes that was his name (couldnโt remember sadly). Makes me wonder how people can sit there and say the system isnโt broken when you see these things happening.
Jk2two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first sentence says I was put in max for felony assault. Max implies prison in my mind, not jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then he say the charges were dropped in a few days. People awaiting trial donโt go to prison. By definition that is the difference between jail and prison. Jail is for inmates awaiting trial. Prison is for convicts serving their sentence. Sometime you can serve your prison term in a jail if itโs a short sentence. But nobody, ever, is sent to a prison before they are convicted. He misspoke.
What he meant was he was booked and sent to jail for a crime if convicted he could receive a max sentence of 8 years. Which btw as a first time offender he would NEVER do. Assuming he had a lawyer even if he would have ended up with a conviction he would have gotten probation. But in jail you are awaiting trial with the guys like this along with the guy that set his grandma on fire (if they didnโt PC that guy).
Jk2two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know how jail and prison work. If someone says they went to max and they meant jail not prison, I donโt believe theyโve been to either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough could be BS. But if he was locked up anywhere based on his story he was def just in regular jail. Regardles of what he initially said. Maybe he thinks there is some sissy version of jail for non-violent offenders or something. Or maybe he thinks the higher security portion of his jail = max.
I had a similar situation, same charge, also one punch. Also got thrown in jail, video was looked at LATER which showed I didnโt throw the first punch. I still ended up getting in minor trouble but nowhere near what it wouldโve been
They didn't put him in prison. They put him in jail, which is where people get held before they go into the prison system. Jail is for up to a year, prison is for time after that.
He's saying that the particular jail he was in was not a small town jail, but a serious one that has serious offenders, all waiting for their actual trials.
He might be bullshitting, but he wasn't in prison for 3 days.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guys at the jail/prison/whatever would not have any access to or interest in videos that exonerate him. All they have is his charge sheet.
Nyx124 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:28:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His story is completely plausable; county is where you go before youโre sentenced. So you will have the dumb college kids, the โone punchโ guy, and a serial killer all within the same walls. There are different areas, such as the trustee dorms, general population, solitary, the psych ward, the hospital, etc. Once someone is sentenced, that determines where they go from there, or if they do their time in county. This is gor Los Angeles, so it may be different for other states.
Yep! This is so true. Told me this a couple years ago I wouldโve thought bs but I got locked up for a nonviolent crime (CSA violation) and spent a couple minutes talking to a sheriffs deputy after I posted bail, got discharged and was waiting on my ride.
He told me how I didnt look like the type and told me how quickly your life can get fucked up. He said just earlier that day someone got poked in the liver pretty bad.
Well in all fairness, you get to a call and the people at the bar tell you "Those two guys got into a fight and that guy is almost dead" they are going to first get the almost dead guy into an ambulance, and close second get the not almost dead guy into a cop car in case he hurts anyone else. It might take a bit to get the video in the first place, they may have had to go through the process of getting a warrant and seizing the video, and then they probably still had to go to trial. OP never said how long they were actually in the jail, so who knows? (aside from OP)
Yeah...you don't go to prison while you're awaiting trial. You go to jail. And I'd suspect that anybody who has actually been to either wouldn't say they got put in for felony assault, they'd say they were in awaiting trial for felony assault. Unless this guy just doesn't give a shit about specificity, but either way fuck him because his story doesn't pass a sniff test.
Jails and prisons are made to hold people, your guilt or culpability to a crime is not there concern, That is up to the police and courts, which you know are pretty shitty
I doubt the credibility of this story, itโs incredibly rare that someone awaiting trial serves any amount of time in a prison. And there is no such thing as a โsupermax county jailโ.
From what I've been told first hand, there is such a thing as maximum security jail. Certain counties won't take inmates with certain charges, and will basically outsource them to counties that are equipped to deal with them. That's just how it was explained to me, I can't verify how accurate it is. But from my experience I would guess that it's accurate.
I've been to "regular" county jail as well as maximum security. I wasn't in max for any violent charges, that county jail just happened to qualify for maximum security inmates. Even though I was there for nonviolence charges in a "low security pod", it was VERY different from regular jail. Regular jail there are people smoking weed, making alcohol, doing heroin/pills, smoking tobacco, and fucking around with cell phones once in a blue moon. I spent twice as much time in max as I did in regular and I never saw any of that shit even once. Also, the guards will not hesitate to beat the living daylights out of you in max. They tased a girl to death while she was handcuffed on the ground while I was there.
xXWaspXx ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:11:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He might be embellishing or perhaps misunderstanding. I don't know about everywhere, but in a lot of places (including here) remanded inmates awaiting trial are all kept in a maximum security institution because of the lack of classification/history/conviction. You'll often have someone in on very serious charges like OP described being housed with people in for a DWI or theft under.
Lil Wayne actually had a line like that half a decade ago:
โIโm just a nut tryna bust a nutโin a nutshell,
Used to say fuck the police, now I say fuck jail.โ
I make sure to avoid situations that might put me in that situation. I don't have shit to prove to anyone.
More people should have this view.
I went to a party with a friend once and he met a chick, they danced, they fucked. Then her ex (who she had broken up the day before) showed up and had a fight with the girl.
2 days later the ex sent the girl a snap of him making out with like 3 chicks at a party and calling her an idiot for choosing my friend over him because he's so amazing.The girl sent my friend the video and he was livid and was already gathering up friends to go fuck up the guy for disrespecting him like that.
All I could think was: What the fuck are you going to do man? Beat up this guy wih your gang of friends because his ex hooked up with you a day after the broke up and now he's drowning his sorrows in pussy? Is some random hook up really worth jail time? What if it goes to far and you kill the dude because you tunnelvision eith your crew?
There's just too much that could go wrong when people do shit like that so it's always best to not even put yourself in those situations.
ed_merckx ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:29:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in general if you get into a fight, just take the few punches before it gets broken up and press charges. Don't punch back unless the guy is actually trying to seriously harm you. "he started it" isn't always the end all be all in court. Had a friend who got to spend a couple weeks in reikers after a bar fight. Basically him and a guy talking shit to each other over a sports game or something, he ended up saying something and the other guy came over and I guess my friend said something along the lines of "go ahead punch me" to which the guy kind of shoved him out of the seat and my friend came back at him, was quick but the guy ended up with a broken arm and slipped a disc in his back when he fell. He got charged with some misdemeanor and my friend got an assault charge.
Technically my friend didn't "start it", but then he spent the next few months in civil court trying to not have to pay for all of the guys bills. Another guy who I knew just because he was a regular at a bar near my house ended up going to prison for a good amount of time after a small scuff which he then pulled a knife on the guy. Just because someone pushes you or shoves you doesn't give you the right to use excessive force, just avoid fights altogether.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:04:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy in the apartment below mine beats his girlfriend every weekend. I've called the cops but he doesn't let them in, and the woman stupidly doesn't ask for helps (and then stays another week). All I want to do is go down there and beat the guy's ass but I know I'll be charged for assault. Even my girlfriend thinks I'm weak for not going down. Like shit man. I hear about men getting into fights all the time. How do they get away with it?
ed_merckx ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:35:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
exactly, I've been in a few situations where guys are like "want to fucking go" taunting you to fight them, and in one case I remember my response was literally "what the fuck, no" to which he then called me a pussy and walked away. A friend with me was like "why didn't you fuck that guy up", like first off I have no clue who that guy is, could have a black belt in a martial art and compete in high level competition for all I know, or he could have a knife, but regardless of that I'd rather not go to fucking jail, don't think that makes you a pussy.
I hate to be that guy that blames television but that is such a common trope on TV I can't help but wonder sometimes if some dumb people think that is how they are supposed to act because they saw it on TV.
Well to be fair, he didn't put himself in that situation - another guy tried to rape his girlfriend. What do you expect him to do when the other guy starts to fight?
I genuinely donโt understand why the guy deserved to get beat up. His ex-girl slept with another guy. He made out with some girls.
These are unrelated events.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even one punch can kill.
Before throwing a punch (outside a martial arts sport ofc) I always ask myself if the issue is serious enough that I would have no regrets if I had to spend my life in jail. So, defending myself or somebody else from a situation where only violence could fix it.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:26:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Mark Whalberg punched some guy on the street and permanently blinded him for no reason before he was famous and got off easy?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, not just some guy, he punched him because he didn't like Asians.. or well.. blacks.. or well.. just people of color. So it was a hate crime.
Oh and... he never apologized because.. and I quote "I can now live with myself for what i did" because he made a lot of "mistakes" when he was "young". if that's not a narcissistic cunt, i don't know what is.
he finally apologized in 2016. why? because he was unable to get a business license in Massachusetts because of his criminal record. he finally apologized in hopes that he could get his record expunged.. so he could open more of his burger shops.
i had never seen another mark wahlberg movie after i found this out.
BriHen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, one of the biggest reasons I'm ever scared to throw a punch is because of situations like yours. One punch in the correct spot and you could kill a man, or severely injure .... That being said, if a dude ever did that to my girl, i'm gonna throw haymakers.
Glad to hear all turned out okay for you though man! Had to have been the craziest few weeks mentally in your life.
Wait, you were thrown in a maximum security prison before even being convicted? Isn't that what jails are for, and you get sent to prison if you are convicted?
You are one very lucky person. My brother is a defense attorney and is full of stories similar to yours. Very few of them were caught on camera, and D.A.'s are eager to build a record showing how tough on crime they are so they don't GAF.
I make sure to avoid situations that might put me in that situation.
That night while brushing my teeth, I remember staring at myself in the mirror thinking... "I truly believe I'm getting out tomorrow too." That was the most eye-openingly present yet emotionally detached pit of realization I have ever fallen into.
Been there my dude. That is a mixture of hope, denial, and will to survive. It never goes away. It's that emotion they're referencing in Shawshank Redemption in the "hope" scene.
Jk2two ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They convicted you before reviewing bar surveillance? Huh...
My neighbor is in prison now for murder, because he slapped guy at a party real hard and hit him just in the right spot of the temple and the guy died.
Shit man. I have never been in a fight. I always imagine something like this happening if I do. That would just be my luck. All it takes is someone falling the wrong way and you're screwed. My uncle had a similar thing happen. He was at a gas station and this biker guy started messing with him. He threw one punch and they guy fell and hit his head on a curb and died. I don't remember the details of his sentencing but he had to serve some time.
I think people getting punched, then hitting head on concrete and dying is way more common than people realize. Real life isn't some fucking Van Damme movie with a Kenny Loggins soundtrack.
More importantly, a lot of people carry guns or knives... but you never know who.
Even if all your superhero fantasies come to life and you are beating a bad guys ass while your hometown crew cheers you on... it only takes a second for someone to put a bullet right through your skull.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm incredibly angry that you got thrown in jail for punching a would-be rapist.
HerrBerg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck jail? Fuck the system. The only way a single punch should land you 8 years in prison is if you're punching a fucking baby or some shit.
I'm not sure I'd go to jail and trust the legal system after that. I'd honestly probably flee the scene and go hide in Mexico until the statute of limitations is up. Which is surprisingly only 2 years where as fucking trespassing is 6.
What a bunch of imbeciles, why would you put a guy in a maximum security prison before going through the proof and the security cameras. Thatโs just asking for a emotional and physical damage lawsuit. Also a lawsuit for your wife being emotionally traumatized by a guy attacking her AND having her husband arrested for protecting her.
Dude how the actual fuck did you get in trouble for defending a woman from a man and possibly preventing a rape ????? The DA must have been a real piece of shit and/or moron
I was at a bar and one of the cleaning guys went into the female bathroom (single stall, one at a time style) and tried to force himself on her. She pushed him away and left. I went down there, found the dude and was all sorts of pissed off, saying I want to smash his head against the sink. He admitted he did it because he thought she was hot. I know the manager, so I told him and the guy lost his job.
But I remember having a smoke talking to the manager and saying the only reason I didn't do it was because I didn't want to spend a night in jail. Good thing I didn't as clearly I see the repercussions of what COULD have happened.
Still have regrets that I didn't do "something" because normally I resort of violence in situations like that. First time in my life, I didn't
tomNJUSA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I make sure to avoid situations that might put me in that situation.
If someone goes after your girlfriend now, what do you do? Serious question, because the whole concept of self-defense is super real to me (engaged dude as of last April.)
A buddy of mine got a concealed-carry permit, and the instructor told them, "if you shoot an armed intruder completely lawfully in self-defense in your home, you'd better have at least $50,000 to spend on your legal defense." (Ohio, USA here.)
I can't even imagine trying to explain such a (legitimate and real) situation as yours where violence is involved in a bar.
It doesn't feel much different than high school when one reads about it. If you win a fight and there's proof, it doesn't matter why, you're getting the worse punishment.
Realizing as the acid wore off that this was in fact not a dream, as I originally suspected. And the stack of previously illegible pages of charges and huge bail sum that I thrown all over the cell was probably important.
[deleted] ยท 1604 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
19 year old crazy man (me) takes a massive amount of LSD for his first time. Drinks a shit ton of whiskey and "passes" out at his fraternity house then awakens in a dream like state an proceeds to wander his university campus around 7am in search of a thrilling time. I aquire (read: steal) a vehicle from a student attending morning classes and proceed to crash it into some mailboxes and get in a foot race with persuing officers that ends in a scuffel in a briar patch.
I was detained, booked, and placed in the drunk tank while still tripping balls, then admitted to the dorms in the city lockup for a week or so. Honestly it wasn't to bad and I played spades and dominoes with the other inmates until I got bailed out by my parents and placed in a wildnerness rehab facility.
This is amazing. Something similar almost happened to me, except it wasn't my first trip, and I realized before the police arrived (I called them- yes, ~850ug is too much) that I was just gone. I got stuck in the psych ward for about 12 hours until I came down enough to get let out- still tripping, but in my own head at least. They wouldn't even let me use the bathroom. They let me use a bucket instead. It sucked, but the walk home was beautiful.
Eupraxes ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 14:55:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
850? I got egodeath on less than half of that. You got some stones on you!
Oh, do not get it twisted. It was a bad idea. I realized it when I was at a 7/10 35 minutes after ingestion. I'd only been that gone once before, but that was a combo of Lucy + DMT + MDMA, and I had a trip sitter. It was more of an ego melt. It put a lot of things into perspective, including how stupid that very idea was.
[deleted] ยท 487 points ยท Posted at 16:46:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my friend had some hippie at a festival squirt a whole dropper of liquid LSD in his mouth. Thats exactly how he described his experience before the full blown ego death; feels like melting into a puddle.
I feel like if I were ever tripping to the point where I feel like a literal puddle on the ground, there would be nothing to stop me from peeing or shitting my pants and not realize it, does that ever happen?
Oh yeah. I blacked out on an acid/molly combo one night, and the only thing i vaguely remember is running barefoot through the woods and blasting out a shit right on the ground. I woke up in my tent with a crusty ass, and thought to myself, "holy shit, I really did run through the woods spraying shit on the ground."
I had eaten 4 hits of blotter, and accidentally spit it out while talking with a friend. She encouraged me to simply eat 4 more. I think the first 4 were already in my system. Then some girl came up to me with a literal spoonful of molly and I took that. Then we started hitting the picklebacks, and next thing I knew, I was face down in my tent with my buttcheeks glued together.
My bowels used to get all sorts of funky on any drugs. I think serotonin and dopamine increase bowel movement and whenever I would trip, hard shitting was always a weird experience. You feel a slight tinge of maybe it might be a shit? Go to the bathroom immediately not worth the risk of such embarrassment while tripping. Also being gross and tripping doesn't sound fun. Sweaty, rain, or mud is fine but bodily fluids? that sounds like a great way to bring down a trip.
Interesting you mention peeing your pants as my girlfriend, who doesn't like drugs as much as me, said that tripping felt like she was constantly pissing herself. She did not piss herself but I got her in a swimsuit and reassured her that she was fine. Different for everyone!
rmfrazi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Many have the same worry/sensation while tripping, but nah, its not gonna happen. Enjoy the body melt!
It does happen. Also acid constricts your intestines a lot, so I become a fart machine. You can hold your shit in (maybe not the farts) but I recommend going into the bathroom and shitting if you feel like it because it feels good and tripping in bathrooms is always awesome (usually I take a shower right after that too that takes like 3 minutes but seems like 3 hours), and now you have one less thing to worry about - you're clean and relaxed.
Usually even when you take a big hit it takes a while to start really tripping so you do it before that. You'll also pee a lot, as will everyone else, so don't take the bathroom for too long (usually you can't unless you enter into a deep insight while in there). In OP's case he was probably gripping very hard on his lower parts which can cause discomfort but the trip takes it away when you melt. Never did such a high dose though, just about ~350ug tops
Hasn't to me yet, though I have another short story to share...
Decided to trip back on the eclipse last summer, and had some friends tripping with me. One guy was always super worried that he was going to miss it somehow. So anytime we mentioned it and went to go look at the sun (with proper glasses I ordered and verified beforehand) he'd get super worried, scared, and excited all at once. And at one point he pissed himself when we started talking about it. Just stood up and apologized, we said it was good and got him some new pants. Shit... or piss... happens
I'm not sure of the exact doseage, but the first time I tripped on acid I had quite the time figuring out that I needed to go to the bathroom. "Huh, my abdomen feels really weird" proceed to massage tummy for two hours contemplating this
Magsca ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're tripping, not retarded
kataskopo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:55:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know my life
Magsca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
funny you referenced that, I wrote definition #6 there because I didn't really like the other ones and non mentioned the HPPD which has been known to happen from this.
The story used for the "use it in a sentence" is the same story I told above, and is a real story lol.
Ego death is fucking crazy but I don't think I've (fully) been there ever, exactly. I mean, my experience was getting crazy high after a while not smoking, and I expect weed is relatively gentler than that much LSD, right? I just got full blown amnesia, kept walking around a circuitous route, telling my bf that "everything makes sense", forgetting who I was, thinking that I was just a moment in someone's (my) life passing by... something about time going in all directions but my experience only going one way. Sleep was death. Knowing that sleep was death gave me some wild insomnia lmao. How every moment of my life going by was in some way death, same as change, kind of ship of Theseus-like? I honestly don't think that was real ego death, but I got close. Everything was "one" and the reason I didn't have the knowledge/memory/understanding of everything is because I am constantly existing/dying/coming back... there was something about a checkerboard and everything resolving to black/white, one/zero, everything making sense but nothing making sense, people just being their individual universes that collide sometimes and uhhhh. Yeah. It's fresh in my mind, this happened last night and I'm still kind of frazzled. I thought I'd check reddit to ground myself, just read shit and be lazy, and instead of course I come up on a thread that I can't stay out of lol.
I know who I am, I know my past now, I know that what I am is fully contained in my brain/neurons firing/grey matter... but holy shit, that's also a spiritual fucking experience. I have never believed in a god, and I still don't, but I can see why people do. The feeling of total oneness is incredible. I wish I could remember it more fully. The existence of consciousness is insane, even if this is just an illusion (it's not).
Oh, and apparently I kept saying it's all a simulation. I guess I read too much scifi. I kept trying to find the one 'truth' that explains everything. Looking back on it it looks awfully banal, but at the time it felt incredible. It's all a simulation, or maybe it's all just moments in time with only a past and not a future, because that's all we can see. Sorry to unload, I really needed to work through this crap apparently.
You sure you smoked weed there? lol
That honestly sounds more like you smoked sativa, spice, or maybe weed laced with something (I've heard rumors of people lacing PCP in weed for some reason)
What you described is more than just "really high". I had a similar sort of thing happen to me once after smoking some really fucking strong JWH-018 K2 (the original spice) back in the day. It was called "Dark Knight" and you could buy it at gas stations for like $15 / g. Fuck that shit
I honestly don't know. It was my friend's, when I first felt it taking hold I definitely was like "Are you SURE this is just weed" but he laughed and said yes and I don't think he'd lie about that... you could definitely be right, he could definitely be wrong. Fuckkk. I still have (the next day) lingering flashes of 'knowing' and 'certainty' that I'm pretty sure are delusions. At least I don't have to go into work today. Thank god for small mercies.
I have a friend who had some sort of intense acid flashback after smoking a just a little bit of weed. He ended up calling the cops on himself lol.
Shit can happen sometimes especially if you don't smoke much then take a big rip off a bong or something.
Yeah for sure. I THINK it's the amnesia combined with euphoria then my brain tries to fill in the blanks and make the universe make sense with my limited knowledge at the time, at least that's the best guess I have.
Or it's really all a simulation and I just peeked around the curtain ha-ha-kidding.
Orvelo ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:45:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of my (comparatively mild) experience with (what I assume was) morphine. I was injected some at hospital for extreme back/Sciatica pain. It was glorious as I felt no pain for the first time in 5 months. Also I thought and felt I was a seal basking in the warm summer sun on a rock at a lake.
Yeah. It was great.
jeffbaier ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a bicycle accident and fucked up my left ear and broke my collarbone. In the ER they gave me some sort of opiate and I had a very similar experience.
I was just happy as could be in my own little world. Thought I was sitting in the warm sun fishing at my family's pond.
In reality they were scraping small bits of gravel out of my wounds and sewing my ear back on.
It's weird that you seemingly see things that have always been there when you're tripping. I'm talking about real things, like texture and sound. You don't realize those details day to day. I know a lot of people make fun of that realization, but yeah...it happens.
TzunSu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
4-AcO-DMT is such a trip. I used to buy it by the gram, we were shoveling that powder in by the end. By far my favorite psych.
So quick and so powerful... The first ones scared me a lot when it was starting and the very next moment had me feeling calm and like I was a plant sweating in a cool forest.
-edit oh nvm confused it with DMT alone which lasts 15 mins tops
TzunSu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It actually is both quick and powerful haha, but that's because you're pretty much snorting concentrated shrooms. This will last 4-8 hours, but the comeup is INTENSE if you're not used to insufflating psychs. You've got maybe a minute or two before you're in the middle of a very intensive trip.
pablowh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean weโre mostly water you more so than not are a puddle
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't done acid, but I did take a few huge hits of 80x salvia once. I thought i was a wooden chair at a dinner table. It was really weird to lose all comprehension of where you are, who you are and what you are..
I've only had the chance to try salvia once, and being new to the plant we just bought some straight leaf, unenhanced. I smoked a whole bowl of it as quick as possible because I new it would get hard to focus pretty quick. I didn't have any mindbending shit happen though, I just felt really manic and had the strange feeling that an invisible goblin was stealing my memories.
Been waiting til I come across some extract at a smoke shop but haven't had any luck in my area.
How is AL-LAD to you? I've heard a lot of conflicting reports. As it is, I've currently stopped grabbing RC's off the net, as they've been cracking down, especially on non-domestic orders.
I'd say it's either that or 1p-lsd that is my favorite. But they're all pretty similar.
And by the way, if you are referencing the recent Canada xpresspost problem back in the last quarter of last year then I may have good news for you. The xpresspost siezings were for another crackdown altogether, and many packages actually came through after bring held in customs for the full 90 day period.
I still haven't personally ordered since that particular problem. But I'm mostly waiting to see how a few new vendors are reviewed.
I also sweat and overheat like crazy, I get muscle tension in the back of my neck, and it takes me ~24 hours to come down fully. Needless to say, I did acid twice and only tried microdosing since (and I still overheat even on ~15ug). I also get the worst sensitivity to light.
If I had a really good babysitter and a perfect environment, I might get the balls to try 200ug. 150 was seriously everything... puddles, ego death, lost touch with reality.
Then again, the one time I tried SSRIs, they had a wicked strong effect on me, too. Doc told me it'd take ~30 days for a dose to build up to get me over my anxiety. Within 6 hours I was in the kind of mental state where a bomb could have gone off near me and I'd have been fine.
I've always had a high tolerance to things in general. Smoke more weed than most people I know, need more psychs. Hell, the few times I've tried adderall I can hardly feel an effect from 15mg unless I snort it.
Nah, I tend to get really talkative. I'll generally have something that I'm doing offhand, like a video game grind, and just be talking my ass off to anyone nearby.
Thanks for the advice but I'll respectfully decline. I live a relatively normal life aside from my substance use, I work and attend school full time so I think I'm doing alright. The particular trip in question was only "puddly", so to say, for about an hour and a half if I remember. And I've been doing a lot of stuff to help myself lately that we're inspired by my thoughts during the rest of that day while tripping. I certainly agree that the potential for abuse exists, but I'm generally responsible when it comes to drugs
rbiqane ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 20:13:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, just the occasional unregulated illegal narcotics puddle trip? Well in that case...
The DEA is the last place you want to get correct information on drugs from.
Also, your above post mentions
unregulated illegal narcotics
They're not unregulated if they are illegal.
rbiqane ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:27:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao...that's precisely WHY they're unregulated you fool. Because they're illegal no government organization can ensure their purity and dosage! Lose a couple brain cells now have we? ๐๐๐
C9DM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You probably think weed is harmful too lmao. "Wahh it's a harmful narcotic!" It's not hurting you or anyone else, chill out.
rbiqane ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is harmful to your brain and your lungs. It also effects your reaction times and decision making skills.
How many times have things caught on fire because idiots were too busy getting high? Maybe the oven was left on, or a candle was left burning.
How many children have been neglected and not fed lunch or dinner because their parents were too stoned to even realize they were supposed to be babysitting or realize what time it even was?
How many car accidents have occurred due to one of the parties being stoned?
C9DM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not harmful to your brain. And there are more ways to consume cannabis than smoking it that are not harmful (ie. Topicals, oils, edibles).
That is simply people being irresponsible under the influence of a substance, this doesn't mean the substance is harmful, it means those people are stupid. The same could be said about alcohol but to an even higher extent.
None that I've heard of? Cannabis isn't addicting. Why are you acting like cannabis is heroine? It's a legitimate medicinal plant.
I never hear of accidents because of people being stoned. But this is exactly like point 2, that's due to the user being stupid and irresponsible. You should never drive under the influence of anything, even say, melatonin. The same could be said about alcohol, again.
flapface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:23:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't take the bait.
rbiqane ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just search for "stoned parent neglects child"...I'm sure you'll find enough cases in the past 10 years
C9DM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see how something's illegal status makes it inherently dangerous. The only dangers posed to me by these specific drugs are:
Mental health- especially with abuse, acid and other hallucinogenic drugs can can cause persistent hallucinations or mental issues. However this normally only occurs after long periods of frequent use and with large doses. Which are required to feel effects at such high tolerances. I don't deny this, the key is to stick to low doses and figure out your personal threshold. Once you understand that limit, it's no different than doing extreme sports, in fact you could say it's safer, if you were comparing mental and physical risk. I personally limit myself to amounts that I can handle, this has been my closest to a "bad trip" but I ended up handling it just fine, and it was a bit of a excess even for me. One that I knew I'd be ok on, but wasn't sure what to expect with.
The "insert government name here"s legal system and law enforcement- The real danger here, the sole fact that people like you think it's dangerous, is what makes it "OK" for the government to illegalize and send armed police after people choosing to use these substances. That is the #1 most dangerous part of using psychedelic drugs, and many other types of drugs as well. The fact that it makes you some sort of degenerate "other" that's acceptable to lock up for life. The fact that, since it's illegal, no one can regulate or verify the safety of products. And the fact that even talking about addiction or drug use is taboo and excludes those people who are most often struggling and need help.
Just my small rant on shitty attitudes towards drugs like yours
Being illegal doesn't mean its bad. Lighten up dude. Just because it scares you doesn't mean its wrong for others. There are plenty of medicinal uses of hallucinogens, most notably helping with PTSD. Who cares if you alter your mind? Some people's minds need altering. It's not like your mind is perfect and has no room for improvement?
rbiqane ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mind is perfection. I'm a Republican. ๐
BAgloink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How bout you give less of a shit what other people do, it's none of your business.
C9DM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brings politics into everything completely unrelated. Yup, definitely a republican.
Just curious how familiar you are with acid dosage? I took a sugar cube my first and only time. Ended up breaking some stuff in the apartment, leaving, thinking I'd died, thinking I was the only person in existence, punching some glass without feeling it cut me, asked a few people for sex including the cops, and in the hospital as John Doe because I couldn't remember who I was.
Anyway, I've always wondered if a sugar cube was a lot, or if it was just because I was in a really low place at that point in my life
Just curious how familiar you are with acid dosage?
pretty damned familiar
Anyway, I've always wondered if a sugar cube was a lot, or if it was just because I was in a really low place at that point in my life
It was probably a combination. You chose your first trip to trip alone, and your words I quoted imply you weren't in a great place in life. That is a really bad combination for a trip. Set and setting is really important when you trip. You must be comfortable with where you're physically tripping and who you're physically tripping with. If any self-doubt or general fears pass by your consciousness when considering the trip, it is not a good idea to proceed, as you are not internally comfortable with the situation. The second requirement to a successful trip is being comfortable with your current position in life. That doesn't mean idle or perfectly content, but going into a trip, especially solo, while dealing with anxieties or depression, is a terrible idea.
Especially since you took a sugar cube, a generally "weak" way to store LSD, I'm guessing it was a little too much and a lot of the wrong timing.
How in the hell do you manage to combine DMT with anything? I thought DMT makes you basically comatose for a while, why bother with more on top of that? How much have you done DMT, to arrive at the conclusion that it's not intense enough by itself? That sounds more judgey than I want it to, but I'm just curious.
RAsiago ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He probably did the DMT after he was already tripping on the other stuff, DMT does make you completely not interactive at high doses, but only for around 5-20 minutes or so.
How in the hell do you manage to combine DMT with anything? I thought DMT makes you basically comatose for a while
It depends. If you don't take a "breakthrough" dose, which can actually be kind of difficult, then you're just sort of immediately tripping in an extremely geometric environment for around 20 minutes. The overall trip only lasts around 15-30 anyway.
Second, it's not like "okay, let's take all this at once right now!" It takes planning. See, MDMA has a short time of effect relative to LSD, so you want to take the LSD first. Believe me, being high on LSD during the come-down of an MDMA trip is NOT fun. So, take the LSD. If I take a moderate amount, it's probably a 8-12 hour experience, with maybe 8 of that being a "strong trip," so I took the MDMA three hours in. It came up around hour 4, and I came down around hour 8, perfectly in-line with the LSD. Once we were flying high on that combo, we climbed a short "mountain" out west and smoked DMT on top of it. It was crazy. We didn't bring anything to vaporize it with, so we didn't get the full breakthrough, but loading a bowl in layers with green/DMT/green gets you quite, quite high. It was incredible, looking up at the sky. We were on a plateau, so it was like lying on a flat, grassy circle, way up in the air, with the city below us. The stars were out in force as well.
It's not about overall intensity. If you're combining substances, generally you lower the total amount you'd usually take of each substance. You also have to consider that each drug has different positive effects, and synergistic drugs combined together create an entirely new experience. I don't have issue taking them separately, although those years are mostly behind me.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, do not get it twisted. It was a bad idea. I realized it when I was at a 7/10 35 minutes after ingestion. I'd only been that gone once before, but that was a combo of Lucy + DMT + MDMA, and I had a trip sitter. It was more of an ego melt. It put a lot of things into perspective, including how stupid that very idea was.
I understand those words but those sentences make no sense.
I know exactly what you mean about the quick onset indicating a massive experience, because when I eat 7g of mushrooms it starts out right away feeling like I'm peaking on 3-4g
capix1 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is acid still a thing? I remember doing it way back 25 years ago and remember everyone having 4 eyes. And people thought I looked fucked up. Who has 4 eyes? No one I know has done acid in the past 15 years, hell I wouldnt even know where to get it! Im also old...so theres that.
EDIT: ok, Im sold...will go out tonight and see if its around.
College student checking in-- psychedelics are making a big comeback with the recent surge in hippie culture. Ecstasy/molly, acid, shrooms, pcp and dmt are all on the rise. Shrooms are probably more popular than acid at the moment though. EDIT: at least in my town, I want to move to wherever you guys are living with cheap acid everywhere, I hate shrooms.
bizitmap ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I never thought of that, that would make sense why theyre more popular, even though acid gives you a "cleaner" trip (at least in my experience, and several of my friends)
I agree, acid just gives a much cleaner high, shrooms make me feel like dense clouds are on the edges of my brain and are slowly snuffing out my lucidity, if that makes any sense. The intense visuals are sometimes too much for me, plus I get nauseated and a bad headache from shrooms. Overall shrooms are still pretty fun, but I much prefer acid.
snbrd512 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acid gives me horrible stomach cramps. Shrooms do too but not nearly as bad
The first couple times it was super weird but now it's just a chore. Like damn I could be doing something interesting but instead I'm sitting here in a tiny room getting reverse buttfucked.
Are you on SSRIs or have a history with depression? Serotonin is used in your digestion system and LSD is a serotonin antagonist I think. It could be throwing your chemistry off and causing the stomach cramps. I'm not sure if a change in serotonin would cause problems that quickly though. I know a lot of SSRIs have the side effect of causing stomach issues until you get used to them.
snbrd512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I peaked watching a documentary about the Russian Revolution and then floated around in No Man's Sky until four in the morning last time I tripped. Shrooms are fun.
bizitmap ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:57:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got emotionally invested in a 1960s B-movie about cowboys being shown on public broadcast at 2am.
singdawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got emotionally invested in the matrix. Seriously?
I've always gotten a kinda sleepy, shitty feeling off of tryptamines for the come-up and come-down of my trips that just ruins the experience. Acid feels much cleaner and I have a more enjoyable time.
LSD has a weird chemical structure that's kind of a tryptamine and kind of a phenethylamine. But you're correct, when I say tryptamine I'm referring to the group of chemicals associated with magic mushrooms. My specific experience is with 4-aco-dmt.
Its not a psychedelic, it did become pretty obsolete for a while though, but I think the new generation hasnt realized how bad it is yet and its making a (hopefully brief) comeback
Both ketamine and PCP are somewhat structurally similar, and are both dissociatives, though ketamine is said to have more of a sedative effect and less likelihood to cause mania and all the negative effects that people generally associate with PCP.
Legal ketamine analogs are enjoying a rise in popularity as of late, but with them getting harder to find as new laws restricting their use or manufacture are put into place, new analogs which more closely resemble PCP in structure and effects are being offered as alternatives.
I'm sure that's not the whole story. Some people may be actually seeking out PCP and analogs on purpose. But I suspect this has a lot to do with things.
As I understand it PCP is a whole fuck of a lot more dangerous, and pretty much guaranteed to induce psychosis with regular use. Where as ketamine has very few negative side effects.
I don't think that's a guarantee. Both are in the same class of drug, and undoubtedly there are many who use PCP and various analogs, even long-term, without any major issues. The primary effect is in fact similar between both drugs (they are both NMDA receptor antagonists, which cause dissociation by blocking signals through your brain, similarly to how anesthetics work).
From what I'm reading, PCP has more affinity for the stimulation of adrenal receptors and can cause the blockade of dopamine receptors, which causes the undesirable effects. As the structure shifts away from PCP's and closer to ketamine's, this effect lessens. Both are arylcyclohexylamines, with ketamine having a methylamine at the N-position, a chlorine ortho-substituent on the aryl group, and a double-bonded oxygen attached to the cyclohexyl group, whereas PCP uses piperidine at the N-position, and unsubstituted benzene and cyclohexane groups.
(The choice of amine and unsubstituted rings are probably what makes PCP easier and more attractive for illicit synthesis. Piperidine is likely easier for clandestine chemists obtain and work with than methylamine, since it's a liquid at room temperature and can be cleaved off of piperine, which can be extracted from common black pepper.)
Thats actually lower than normal, you might be getting shorted. "standard" (if you can have a standard with illegal drugs) is 150 a tab, and 300ug double dip tabs are pretty common too.
I think it might be location dependent. From my experiences 100ug was always the standard. Though I'm not an expert when it comes to this so I might be off.
IME, shrooms have always been harder to acquire (unless you live near cows). My guess is it's because in a lab, you can produce a metric fuck ton of lsd all at once, whereas you need a big fucking farm and a decent chunk of time to produce the equivalent amount of mushrooms.
BAgloink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my buddy grows a ton of shrooms in a bag smaller than a piece of luggage.
We're talking about availability, and your neighborhood mycologist may be able to make them in a tiny bag, but he can't supply a town with that tiny bag. However, a little time in a small lab, and you could supply an entire town with lsd.
BAgloink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya except I was pointing out that you don't need access to a farm, you can grow them in a bag, or have several, or ya, buy some acid. It's not one or the other.
And for the third time, you've failed to grasp what we were discussing. We WERE NOT discussing whether or not mushrooms are easy to grow at home. We WERE discussing why acid is usually easier to find, at least where I'm from. The only reason a farm was brought up is, because you would literally need a farm to produce enough mushrooms to compete with a single acid batch. Therefore, it's easier for LARGE SCALE SUPPLIERS to produce and distribute acid.
Edit: No one ever said it was one or the other, you thought that, and assumed it's what I meant, even though the words I chose do not imply that.
BAgloink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I didn't fail to grasp it. You were a dick in your initial response to me when I was trying to point something out.
Oh it is most certainly around now, some would even say it's making a comeback in a big way. Go to any jam band music festival and it is all over. There are also many availible analouges that are almost identical to the real thing that you can get on the clearnet if you do your homework.
Smokeyschemsite is one that comes to mind. You have to know how to use bitcoin or something similar though. Their inventory changes frequently but they usually have an analogue called 1p-lsd that is VERY similar to old school acid. Good luck.
Be careful, though; these analogues are almost all amphetamines and could absolutely kill you if you combine them with an SSRI like Prozac or Zoloft. LSD's effects are lessened by antidepressants, but its analogues' effects will be amplified.
That's not the case if you're actually getting analogues, you're just thinking of trying to find street acid in general, which can be pretty bunk. Online ordering is pretty consistent and LSD has several chemical analogues that interact the same way with serotonin receptors that the parent drug does.
I apologize for my ignorance. You're definitely right; I've never tried ordering online. I just didn't want anybody to hurt themselves. Thank you for the correction.
Oh man, no problem. And to anyone who sees this still, it's still a SUPER good idea to buy a test kit if you ever decide to try some of these drugs. They're not too expensive and they'll sort out the bad from the good.
Technically. They are legal to order, but by US law at least they are still illegal for human use and can be prosecuted as their "parent" drug if they can prove it was used, or dealt, etc. Effectively, you can order them to your house, but it's still illegal to use. Shipping them in becomes legal, and possession is quasi-legal.
And you can buy them, there is a certain Canadian site that's popular for psychedelic analogues that I won't mention by name in an open thread. But you can pm me if you want.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does it being synthesized by Sasha have anything to do with whether or not it's an RC? The term has more to do with whether it's scheduled or not, LSD, MDMA, and mescaline were considered research chemicals at one time.
TzunSu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they weren't. A research chemical is so named because that's how they are sold, as chemicals for research. They're specifically designed to be psychoactive, yet not fit into classifications that make them illegal. 2C-B for example, was synthesised to get you high, not for a legal high. The difference is why they were first synthesised. If they were created to mimic a drug, yet to still be legal, then they would have been RCs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TzunSu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most i would say? Shulgin didn't invent MDMA, he popularized it. Shulgin did great work, and was the first to synthesize a lot of compounds, but not that many of them are popular.
Those are good points, i just wanted to clarify something when it comes to RCs. Many people seem to think an RC is any kind of new chemical, which it isn't. RCs are specifically for compounds that are sold as research chemicals, to skirt drug laws.
There is also some unbased fear in a lot of people when it comes to RCs. There are a lot of really great RCs out there, but the problem is that most people only come in contact with them when they're trying to buy something else, and some of those (NBOMes, for example, if we're talking psychs) are straight up lethal. RCs is something to avoid until you know what you're doing imo.
Some analogs (25i-NBOMe) can be very harmful, but more modern analogs (1P-LSD, ALD-52 and AL-LAD to a lesser extent) are virtually indistinguishable from LSD-25.
TzunSu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're far from "almost all amphetamines". The vast majority sold are functional analogues. The problem is that if you're buying bunk LSD, it's likely to contain some NBOMe. Which is not a good thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't go around snorting 2CB mixed into powered sugar.
Terrible pain
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is an analouge?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some are safe some aren't it truly depends on which RC you get and the dosage. In regulated measured doses certain nbome's can be an incredible experience but they can also be deadly if used wrong in my opinion they aren't worth it, it is a very uncomfortable trip in my experience. The one analog I know of that is safe is 1p-lsd there are vendors online who sell and ship it to your door legally. If you are looking to get one of these analogs be sure to do your research on it to find out how to do it safely. If it's bitter it's a spitter I learned that the hard way.
If you look into legitimate analogues, that are chemically analogous to LSD, then they're 100% safe (physically at least, it still has mental effects just like LSD-25). Searching "research chemicals" should give you more info.
It is as safe as the original in the best case, often far less so. Because they're not specifically banned, these substances are legal (until they get banned soon after), but especially on the street you can't be sure exactly what you're getting.
Basically chemicals that range from similar to nearly identical to others like LSD or whatever but are just chemically different enough that they don't fall under the same schedule drug laws. So with some research you can buy them online "legally" until they become big enough that the DEA finally outlaws them.
I feel like I need to put some harm reduction tips here. There's a lot of NBOMe that is often sold as LSD, but they are very different chemicals. Unlike LSD, NBOMe will kill you if you take too much. If you can, you should test your drugs, but if you can't, always swallow the tab. LSD is bio-available through digestion, but NBOMe has to be absorbed through mucus membranes to be available.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily, I had an absolutely amazing trip on 25B-NBOMe, and a pretty decent one on 25I. However, I'd never touch any of them again and my friend got some really creepy leg pains for a while after we did it.
Also, the comedown fucking sucks. LSD comedowns also suck for me, but not nearly as bad as NBOMe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like i fot punched in the stomach for the whole trip..uncomfortable is to minor a word... plus very little visual action
25I required really high doses to give me anything visual and was really shitty in lower doses. 25B gave me the most visuals I've ever had, but that's what people say about 2C-B and I haven't tried that, so there might not be that much of a difference between those two
And nbome is just one of dozens of RCs that people can soak into a tab of paper and make you trip. Stick to mushrooms unless you know the provenance.
TOEMEIST ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of NBOMe that is often sold as LSD
From ~2010-2014 yeah but NBOMe is actually kinda rare nowadays; LSD has made a huge comeback recently. You should still always test your tabs with Ehrlich's reagent but the risk is definitely not as great as a few years ago.
If you are looking for a very close alternative that is in a legal grey area you can order 1p-LSD from a few vendors online. I've heard great things about it and you can have it shipped right to your door since it isn't illegal. It has the exact same composition as lsd except for the 1p which is to the best of my knowledge an inert molecule they add just to have it be different from lsd. it doesn't have any noticeable effects on the trip from what I've heard. With that being said it is still a research chemical but it is much much safer than the other RC's out there such as 25i or other NBOME's. Some dealers on the street will sell RC's as acid and they can be harmful if not deadly if used wrong so be sure to trust your source and if you are able to get a testing kit to make sure it's real.
I've tried 1p-LSD and genuine acid side-by-side multiple times and I can honestly say I couldn't notice a single difference. It's a great deal and around the same price as genuine, too. Takes about the same time to kick in and lasts the same amount of time, no added side effects or hangover. It's awesome. Probably won't be legal very long, though.
Personally I have not, I've taken a break from psychs just because I feel that I've gotten all I need from them. I do have a few friends who have tried it and said it was very similar and almost no noticeable differences between that and the real deal. The vendors I know of are just found through a google search they are discrete and reliable although the product is a bit more expensive than what you would find on the streets. As with all drugs though do your research beforehand to make sure it is something you would want to use.
Well the site that sells 1p also sells various other chemicals a lot of it is organic chemistry nonsense that I don't understand but you may recognize some of them. I believe all of them have psychoactive properties but a google search can tell you all you would want to know about them here's the link to the vendor lysergi.
He may not have, but I have, along with several other analogues such as AL-LAD and ETH-LAD. I haven't actually tried "genuine" acid to compare it to but the effects I've experienced are very real, and sound to me to be legit based off of what I've heard. Buying those is also cheaper, safer, and easier than getting it from a dealer.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:38:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Qel_Hoth ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no. There is not a lot of acid being done constantly by everyone.
A very small minority of people will ever use acid.
zywrek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant everyone in that certain demographic..
pablowh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very small meaning still millions
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There a LOT of acid being done constantly....by everyone.
Absolutely not true. Maybe like .01% of adults use lsd, or any hallucinogens, on any regular basis. I mean it's cool when you're 17, but the come down is hardly worth it
Don_Lupa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im 25, but i dont really find that there even is a comedown on psychedelics. I take low doses, though.
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:25 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you must be doing really low doses. Mushrooms dont have a bad come down, but every other time i've tripped on something else, theres always an excruciating 8-10 hours before you can fall asleep again. Just feel weird and out of it and exhausted. Not dissimilar from opiate withdrawal. Assuming you dont have bars or something to take the edge off
Don_Lupa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:40 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all i remember from higher doses is feeling a bit fried the next day. Nothing too bad. Its very different from person to person
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:49 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, guess I just assumed it was that bad for everyone. Though that does explain why other people seem to enjoy it recreationally.
AceOfTwo ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:12:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its been making a come back since like 2010 or earlier with the whole edm/molly scene going crazy
Can verify. Was going to
"raves" in Windor/Detroit in the early '90's before they were even called raves. I think we just called them underground clubs and we called the music techno or industrial dance. I think. Memory may be a little fuzzy, many drugs were had. My circle did acid, E was just coming onto the scene - never got around to trying it myself.
Long live Plastikman!
AceOfTwo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the term edm is a thing now because so many more people are into that type of music and going out doing club drugs.
hbeezy62 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It Is still very much a thing. From my experience psychedelics seem to be making a huge comeback in the US.
Dude! The 4 eyes thing! Me too! Did you also notice that everything that had any sort of pattern on it (like denim, ie. your jeans) turns into a "maze" pattern? I remember tripping balls just staring at my pant leg, it was the most amazing labyrinth.
edit: I feel compelled to describe my first acid trip now.
I was hanging out at my friend Kevin's place. Kevin was a native "indian" and lived with a couple brothers and his mom. We were both 15 years old. Bored, out of weed, and having a bit of cash in our pockets, we headed into town in search of weed, which we found, but the dealer also had some LSD which he described as "Cartoon acid, double barrel". I wanted to look "cool", so I lied and said "Oh, yeah, I've done that." and Kevin said "Oh cool, I want to try it too. Let's get some." and I was snared. Returning home with our weed and tinfoil flap with two little 1 cm. square pieces of what looked like comic book pages, Kevin starts asking me what to expect, etc., and I just bluff through it and tell him "It's different for everyone."
About an hour after taking it, we start to think we got ripped off, not experiencing anything out of the ordinary. I got up to go to the bathroom, and somewhere between flicking on the light and closing the door behind me, something was... off. I looked in the mirror, and got sort of a headrush, like when you stand up too fast and feel like you might pass out, but as that subsided, I watched my face morphing. My chin grew long and pointy, but when I looked at it again, it was normal, but then tufts of hair were growing out of my face, and I had 4 eyes, literally another set of eyes directly above my normal ones... I had to look away from the mirror, but it wasn't frightening at all, it was indescribably hilarious, but with nervous, panicking undertones. The walls were "breathing", and the tile floor, as well as the toilet porcelain and the water in it was bubbling, like boiling water. I had to urinate, and that became a trip unto itself; it was the longest piss I've ever taken in my life, it was arguably the longest piss ever taken, period. By anyone. But watching that never-ending torrent of pale yellow relief triggered mind-blowing hallucinations. The water was changing color rapidly from yellow to pale green to violet to sky blue, then I realized it wasn't the water, it was my vision, washes of colors were spreading across my vision like warm, tingly radiation, it felt like a presence in the bathroom with me, I'd say at the time "spiritual" because I wasn't an atheist yet, but definitely "good" and wanting to help me. It became a voice in my head and assured me that everything was okay, and there was no reason to worry about anything, and to just enjoy, and try to learn from, this "gift". After what seemed like 5 minutes of constant pissing, I was finally done (I mean, seriously, what the fuck did I drink that night?) and headed back out, into an entirely different world. Kevin was on the couch looking weird and as I tried to say "I take it the acid is working on you too?" I realized I could hardly talk, it was an effort, it felt like I was wasting my time using words, I should just think things really hard and I could communicate that way instead. Kevin was babbling on about something, I started laughing, then he did too. Much Music was on TV, (this is back when they actually played music videos) and "Neon Knights" by Black Sabbath came on (It was "Power Hour") As we watched, and this is a shared experience, he confirmed it too, the show "slowed down", like rubbing your finger on a playing record and slowing it down until it's just BRRRRRZZZZZZZZBBB" Everything else was "normal" time, but the TV was running slow... then I have a good look around the room... and witnessed the impossible. Reality was "vibrating"- my focal point, wherever I was looking, there was suddenly an explosion of activity, chairs were twisting and warping into animals, the walls were sagging, and breathing, and melting, the light fixtures swayed and twirled, and everything had a shiny plastic sheen on it... and it became overwhelming. I looked at what was once Kevin, and saw a melting, bubbling lump. I knew I was not crazy, it was just the LSD. That cleared things up a bit, and other than some peripheral vision skittery things, I was sort of back in reality. Kevin was freaking out and I told him it's cool, just ride it out, etc. Little did I know, that was just the first minor peak; a minute or two later, I was twice as brainfucked as the first time. The hallucinations didn't stop when I closed my eyes now, they only got more fantastical and unbelievable. I don't know how the brain conjures up such incredible imagery. Wireframe rendered realities, with transparent electric blue, gelatinous humanoid entities that are friendly and loving and want to play, and you can grab them and they are like water balloons... but with every wave of joyous ecstasy came a wave of doubt, and bad feelings as the "other" reality slipped further away, and then I was in limbo, not normal, but not high, just kind of wondering and wishing it would get out of my system, and how long was this going to go on for? Then another wave would hit, my whole body awash in pleasure and nervous anxiety, tingling like right after a good stretch or a good yawn. And the blue jelly-people were still there, but they didn't want to play any more, which instantly bummed me out. LSD is very sensitive to and influential on emotions and your emotional state. I went on this trip basically happy and content, and other than a few unpleasant bumps, had the best first LSD experience anyone could ask for. To this day I can't say for sure who or what the inter-dimensional beings you meet on hallucinogens are, I guess it is possible to have meaningful conversations with your own mind, but I like to think they are maybe an unknown facet of nature.
It got tiring after the 10th or so "wave", though which is why I rarely did LSD after this. Also, every time after this first trip, the effects were not anywhere near as powerful. I think we got a moderately high dose of very pure LSD the first time. Kevin tripped balls, had a bad trip and hugged his mom a lot that night :(
Dude my jeans had this elaborate purple Haze like look to them and I totally witnessed that maze patter in my jeans. I felt like I was seeing the weaves in the jeans much more clearly, and there was such a contrast of colors between the threads that the whole thing looked maze like. I still wear those same jeans and always remember how I saw them that day lol. Also everything adopted an oil pastel look for about 30 minutes and was probably my favorite part of the trip. Everything looked like a painting, and it was too real for anyone else to ever understand. That's the beauty of trips, it's all so real and vivid to you, and it's a personal experience of yours that you can never fully share
Eupraxes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as commonplace as it once was (from what I hear, anyway) but it's still pretty easy to get if you know where to look. Darkweb and bitcoin has made anonymous trades easier, which helps.
This drug called "M Bomb" is being sold as acid so be careful. If you take a tab and it tastes BITTER, spit that fucker out because M Bomb can kill you.
Hey, watch out though. There is a lot of fake acid these days. Might even seem legit based off the trip, but with real acid you can't die from too much. Fake acid? Sometimes even two or three tabs can kill you, but one gives a great trip. Please please buy a test kit. If you want to trip these days, it is the most responsible thing you can do other than a trip sitter. You will be okay no matter how much real LSD you take. You will live. But you may not live from too much fake lsd
Whatever you find might very well be something else that theyโre just telling you is LSD. It could be stuff you can actually OD on. They can still be fun, I actually enjoyed the โacidโ I later found out was DOC, Just be careful.
Zanpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acid never stopped being a thing. I was into the party scene from '05 until about '13 and it was pretty popular all throughout that period. Still seems to be today...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out for bullshit. These kids today take RCs ( research chemicals) that are kinda likw acid, but not the same, but they dint know any better
It can be a confusing experience, but not necessarily scary in the terms of fear. Most people come out of it with a new outlook on life or a new sense of subjective self. These are very powerful personal experiences
Eupraxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to put into words, but in short it means you lose perception of yourself. That continuous awareness that you have while you're not sleeping just kind of disappears, but you're still capable of thinking. You're kind of floating above yourself, disconnected.
I found that it can be both comforting and frightening. For some people it's the reason they take psychedelics, for others it's an unpleasant side effect of taking too much.
FamousM1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever looked up LSD thumbprints?
Eupraxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, never heard of that. Been a little while since I last did LSD though, I may be out of the loop xD
LSD has never given me ego death except maybe the first time I tried it. Not really that intensely spiritual as far as other psychedelics go... Kinda jealous.
The worst part was I called because I convinced myself that my body was evaporating water as I drank it and that I was going to dry out and wither away. That led me to drink about three 32oz Gatorade bottles as I was waiting for "help," so I had to pee every thirty minutes it seemed like.
That shit fucks me up the worst. I've been plagued by a mind that likes to think that I'm stuck in a time loop and there's nothing I can do to get out of it. Equally terrifying is the feeling that one wrong move will end the universe instantly. You're stuck in the loop until you perform the one right move to keep the universe chugging along.
Okay. That's what I thought you meant. It happened to me on weed too. It was not a fun time.
Sean951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not OP, I just had similar experiences on both. Oh the 2, the psychedelics was worse.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I convinced myself that my body was evaporating water as I drank it and that I was going to dry out and wither away.
The funny thing is you weren't wrong, we DO evaporate water out of our skin. My greatest "realization" in that "state of mind" was that all the garbage TV/radio that's broadcast was also being broadcast into space as well and that any civilization advanced enough to receive it would think we were complete dumbasses, which we totally are.
Tat's what acid makes people think. You take some normal thing like perspiration and take it to the extreme. I'm losing gallons of water in a second and I need to drink water to avoid becoming a prune.
Have a video skip backwards and replay the same 3 seconds over and over? Clearly you have entered a time loop from which you will never escape. You will spend infinity in this 3 second stretch of time.
Also have similar story. Got puddled at a String Cheese Incident concert. Left the show with no coat on in the middle of winter. Basically just paced around in a back alley rambling and yelling "I demand theater." Took off my pants then tried to fight my friend when he tried to make me get dressed. I got hypothermia but didn't know it. Didn't even recognize that I was cold. I thought the pain I was experiencing was the result of a battle happening in my head between two different philosophies. The things I remember from the night are what I was hallucinating, not what was actually happening. A cop came to check me out and I started shoving him apparently. They were about to taze me, but my friend yelled I had hypothermia and they called an ambulance instead. Luckily I cooperated with getting in the ambulance or else I probably would've been arrested. Cost over $20,000 for the hospital to strap me to a bed until it wore off.
I've had varying experiences. Sometimes the phone is a garbled mess, other times it's not so bad. Dialing isn't difficult if you don't try to look at the numbers as you hit them. "911" is an easy enough pattern to remember.
I tried watching Black mirror. I couldn't even hardly see the TV while the walls were breathing and bending like mad. Then the patterns hit and using my phone was not something that would have possible lol. Gf wanted me to keep her updated via text as I tripped and I greatly apologize for the scrambled messages she must have got. How do I know if I typed the right word when the letters are spinning and have gone all RBG colors on me!?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol there's very, very little risk of anything like that provided you don't take as much as I did. A "normal" 100-180ug dose is a very relaxing experience. I don't see why taking LSD as an adult would suddenly be terrifying unless you were going to take a really heavy dose, which I wouldn't suggest anyway. That story was from my college days, but I've tripped at least three or four times since college, at a reasonable dosage.
Life can get in the way, but it's plenty easy to have a fun Friday night and use the next two days to "recover," unless you have children of course.
Check out the movie "Good Time". A drug dealer has a Sprite bottle filled with LSD, they knock out a security guard and make him drink half the bottle so he could not tell the cops about them. Good movie.
I just looked that up. It looks great! 2017 too? How did I not hear of this? Good looks on that recommendation.
LolsEUW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like acid can be pretty dangerous if you can't tell if you're dreaming or not, is it normally the case that you do weird shit because you aren't aware that you are awake?
I've always thought tripping felt really similar to being in a dream, but never to the point I thought I was in one. I think what happened with op is that he drank whiskey causing him to black out. I could see thinking I was in a dream if I suddenly woke up in that state with no memory.
I've never once thought I was dreaming or had any sort of blackout. That's not really how it works. I won't speak to other's experiences, but I'd say that's just a poor way of saying they were really out of it. I won't take a stance for or against it, as I think people should do their own research and understand how substances affect them.
It was a college town hospital, in the middle of our biggest "party week" of the year. For one, I'm not sure they knew quite what to do with a guy asking "how long do I have to live?" as they transported me in an ambulance with "IV's" in my arm that weren't actually hooked up to anything and instead were literally tubes taped to my arms to "feed me fluids." Second, they had more important shit to do than escort a guy tripping nuts to the bathroom.
It was early afternoon at this point. There was an older lady who was quite amused, and a younger guy who was less than thrilled by my demeanor. I remember asking the attending doctor at the hospital why I couldnโt just go home (I was plenty calmed down at this point- the alprazolam they gave me had something to do with that), and she said I was asked how much I took on the ambulance, looked dude dead in the eyes and said โIโm not sure counting is in my best interest, sir.โ
I went to a hospital for a panic attack after weed once. By the time I was good to go and mostly sobered up I stupidly asked the doctor if I was going to have to worry about getting in trouble with the police now for the weed and he got a little flustered explaining "of fucking course not. Doctor patient confidentiality exists so you aren't afraid to tell me that". I knew that, but I was apparently still out of it enough when I asked that it was a legitimate concern in my mind.
Relax, and don't be such a baby. You learn best from past mistakes if you're able to look upon them critically, yet openly. Humor is a great gateway to discovery.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I respect that insight
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:59:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this could only have happened to a white kid at a private liberal arts college. Especially the last part about the "wilderness rehab facility".
Sean951 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That part was kindly his parents, judge wouldn't have cared what kind of rehab, just that he was going to get help so no reason to see jail time.
What is a wilderness rehab facility and what was it like?
juicybot ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:28:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like regular rehab but it's out in the middle of nowhere and involves a lot of hiking, tent building, fire making, etc. on top of the therapy.
I got sent to one when I was 17. Woke up to two Utah state troopers in my bedroom who promptly escorted me to Utah. Spent 8 weeks there. Lots of people referred to it as "wilderness prison" because we were kept on such a short leash (taking away our shoes at night, for example). About half the kids in my group were sent there by court order. Still managed to have some fun though. Overall probably the most surreal experience of my life and I'm still not sure if I got any value from it.
Apparently there was a UK reality show called "Brat Camp", season 3 takes place at the wilderness program I went to. I watched a few clips, seems accurate to my experience.
I was sent to one as at 14. Triangle cross ranch (formerly Mount Carmel youth ranch). The whole place was fucked. Staff was aggressive physically to the kids, when we were out of food at the end of the week because they didn't buy enough, they just said we better figure something out because it was still 2-3 days until they went into town again. So mixing flour and water to make tortillas or drinking a saved soda was a "meal". Someone made a post awhile back about how fucked it was and I commented on it, you can find it in my history. It was horid but it did teach me to grow up faster. Taught me to use my own devices and skills to the best of my ability, and how to make it through tough times while staying in control of my own head
You go into nature. Essentially living like its the 1800's again. No electric, no running water (some might have it, idk just speaking from what my cousin who was a councilor for at risk youth (and whose parents were wealthy enough to pay the 10k a week fees)). You do a lot of camping and self reliance activities away from the distractions and potential triggers of urban/suburban/modern life.
Think camping summer camp - but with addiction awareness thrown in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The kids/teens/young adults would be there for a week to a month depending on the court orders. 10-40k to keep little Billy out of jail and off his record is well worth it for some families.
I still don't know what effect a small dose will have on me. I've seen people freak out from taking one hit of weed. Drugs affect people differently. It's scary to try anything for the first time.
mushrooms are easier to control your dose. you can start with .15g to get a very giggly experience. wait at least 2 weeks between doses or your numbers will get confounded by tolerance. start small and dial in what you like.
im not saying mushrooms == LSD, either. but they are both psychedelics, which is what I assume you meant by 'these kinds of drugs'.
Sean951 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your do want to try it, then I advise getting a baby sitter. I'm a fan of watching Fantasia or similar. My friend really liked Across the Universe.
You got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean... I mean... I mean that just.. I'm Sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench!
Contrary to what the media says, police shootings even in cases like these are rare, even if you aren't white. Now if he brandished a gun, he wouldn't be here to talk about it.
Good ol' 2010. I was a year into college, and was a really stellar kid in high school with a bright booming future ahead who just got into the wrong crowd. At least that was the narrative...
I didn't hurt anyone.
I was from an affluent family.
I was white.
Mr-Blah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*Was a rich white boy. My parent's basically told me after that all my college fees went to the lawyer and we wish you the best of luck. So now I'm hanging in the middle class drowning in student debt like the rest of you saps.
oomchu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar happened to a friend I had 20 years ago. Except he was so fucked up when they tried to book him, the jailers told the cops they needed to take him to a hospital. So he woke up with an IV stuck in his arm.
My experience must have been a lot easier than yours lol. Iโm guessing you now drilled, set up traps, hiked, set up tents, stuff like that? Except probably in harsher conditions.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
guess you got that thrilling morning
86rpt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it wasn't to bad and I played spades and dominoes with the other inmates until I got bailed out by my parents and placed in a wildnerness rehab facility.
I'm guessing/hoping you already recognize how lucky you are for many reasons. But if not, I suggest looking at some of the stories in /r/drugs about how differently your story would have ended for many people.
Eventually, yes. I finished my engineering degree several years after.
juicybot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was your wilderness program in Samoa? I only ask because I got sent to a program (Aspen Achievement Academy) when I was 17 and was always told that anyone 18+ had to go to Samoa because you're a minor there until 21. Never found out if that was true or not.
Glad it didnt turn out completely awful for you. Just recently there was a kid in my hometown who, on a lot of LSD, tripped out and shot his roommates, killing at least one of them. (I think one was in critical condition, but I never heard how that ended up.) I wonder if he felt the same way. I tripped a few times, and felt weird coming down not being able to differentiate what was hallucinated, and what wasnt.
Did I read it correctly that you were apprehended in the beer lounge of the canadian national curling championships? Ie a Labatt Briar or whatever the sponsor was at the time. I feel bad for you sir, but I imagine it was an odd sight.
tomNJUSA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Late 80's small university in central PA?
dakotae3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahah, my friend took 3 tabs and he said he felt like he was dreaming too. When I told him he was running into the walls and screaming noises like a Down syndrome, uncrontlled of his actions, he said thatโs exactly like he dream he had
Here perhaps? I've posted it before in similar threads. I mean, I have plenty of other crazy stories to tell but this one is clearly a crowd favorite, and by far the most defining moment of my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lolb42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
roll tide
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao I remember "Letting Go" during an acid trip but I was outside when it happened so someone called an ambulance for me and I woke up in the ER.
The dream like state is really fucky.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to Miami University in Oxford?
awkook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From then on, do you ever have moments in your life that you feel like you are in a dream state, or that life isnt actually real? And it sucks because you cant tell whats real and what isnt?
I went to jail on acid too man! Jesus its a terrible feeling. Pretty sure i got like mild ptsd from that shit. Whenever i hear sirens now i kinda wig out for a sec and have to calm myself down.
Huh, they took me to the hospital instead. They gave me some kind of anti-psychotic drug to counter the lsd, which had the side effect of wiping my memory. I woke up in a hospital bed with no memory of how I got there.
Plettuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a good minute wondering why you were covered in acid rain. I need more sleep.
After leaving the 4 week intake prison, I found myself (following a 10 hour bus ride, shackled in a school bus without windows) in a maximum security prison with a towel, two pairs of boxers, two pairs of jeans, 2 shirts, a toothbrush, and a bar of soap.
I hadn't showered in 2 days, and not smelling like shit is important in prison, so I made my way to the herd shower and got in.
Now, I wasn't scared, necessarily, but I also wasn't super enthusiastic to be showering with a bunch of dudes, of course. I turned on my spigot and starting soaping up, and dropped my precious bar of soap on to the ground.
The shower was silent as I turned around and stared at my soap slipping away on the floor. All eyes were on me. I had to choose quickly, so I did what came naturally - I starting laughing outloud. I just roared with laughter. After a few seconds, everyone in the shower started laughing with me. In that moment, we all shared in the absurdity of our situation and enjoyed a good prison-shower-rape-joke-laugh.
It also really helped quell my biggest fear about prison, actually, which was that I was going to be raped. I was a youngish white man who didn't know anyone and wasn't affiliated with anything, and I was going in alone. That day gave me a lot of confidence and strength.
My first thoughts were about being raped. After that day, my biggest fear became that I'd relapse while inside.
yoyo2598 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 21:21:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really fucking happy I read this. Like, ecstatic. For YEARS, I've said to my friends, "You know what? If somebody dropped the soap, I bet everybody would laugh, because "har har he dropped the soap" and nothing would come of it." But no, they said that I was stupid, and that prison rape is very common, which I highly doubt. I know it happens, but it can't be very common. Thank you, stranger.
In prison, if you want to have sex, there are a lot of men who are available.
If you really want to rape someone, you have to find a place with no cameras, which won't have guards, and you need to have very powerful connections to serve as bodyguards, and your target has to have no connections so they won't have friends nearby.
If you're the type who really wants to rape someone, you're probably in max or supermax, where there are more guards, more cameras, and more scary big guys to protect their gang.
Prison rape is wildly overblown. There is a ton of prison sex, with dubious or transactional consent, but very, very little violent rape. If you think otherwise, you are getting your information from movies. I hope you would understand why thats a bad idea.
Dm2593 ยท 2557 points ยท Posted at 14:59:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"what the fuck did I do. "I was extremely intoxicated and woke up when it was time to get out of the back of the cop car. I think I was n shock because my heart wasnt even beating fast or anythign.
He was drunk and just remembers waking up in a cop car, my guess would be driving under the influence.
The_Fad ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:45:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got arrested for suspected DUI when I was 22 and I remember it being somewhat similar. I was so nervous during the actual traffic stop that my hands were shaking so bad I dropped my wallet while trying to remove my license.
For some reason right when he asked me to step out of the car for a street test everything shut off, physically. He decided to take me in for a formal breathalyzer and during the handcuffing, ride back, paperwork and breathalyzer test I was perfectly fine. I mean my mind was basically a non-stop reel of "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" but my heart was calm and my hands were steady.
They booked me and put me in a pit with the other male offenders waiting to either be released (4-hour hold) or taken back to a proper jail cell. As soon as I sat down all that anxiety and nervousness came rushing back. Took me like 20 minutes to get my breathing fully under control and the guy sitting next to me kept asking if I was sure I wasn't having a heart attack.
I also didn't realize upon being released that, though they kept my license, they had given me a document that allowed me to operate a vehicle for however many days still. I don't remember if that was actually explained to me or not, but it's irrelevant. I'd been pulled over at about the halfway point between the jail and my house, so I walked the 3 or 4 miles (in the middle of winter at like 10 degrees or some shit) back home in entirety, even passing my car (which the officer had parked in a nearby lot). I would've called a cab or a friend but my phone died during my 4-hour hold, the cops refused to let me use theirs, and I didn't have any change to use the payphone in the lobby.
OfAaron3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:00:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, if you were totally fine, why did they keep your license?
The_Fad ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:19:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I passed all but one of the sobriety tests and blew a .07 on the street, cop decided to take me in and I blew a .081 at the jail. That .081 is what they booked me on.
The test you failed was probably HGN (Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus, the โfollow my fingerโ test), which is more than enough to charge DUI, as it has a lot of science behind it which accurately predicts BAC. Sometimes with 6 out of 6 clues I donโt even need to do the other tests.
The roadside alcometer is not as accurate as an Intoxilyzer (state administered breath test). But also, the way people metabolize alcohol means that after they stop drinking their BAC continues to climb for a period before it starts going down.
People assume they can get slammed, wait an hour and have an hour โcreditโ of sobering up. This is not the case.
If you drink, have a DD or call and Uber or Lyft. No excuse these days.
The_Fad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Pretty much spot on with what every other cop I've ever told the story to has said.
Same thing wen through my mind...except I blacked out for 12 hours and woke up in a jail cell...was only there for detox and got let out a few hours later. Got a โminor in possessionโ though...underage drinking was fun
Oh, this is serious. I seriously fucked up. I shouldnโt be here. Iโm not a criminal. Iโm gonna have ro tell everyone I went to jail now. My mom is gonna be furious. My siblings are gonna be disappointed. I should probably pull my head out of my ass. Etc.
Edit: since people asked, the offenses were numerous.
I was caught with a friend who had coke, and some of the people who gave statements exaggerated.
I stole(borrowed) a bicycle to get out of the country, and back home.
Got pulled over and had an empty beer can(not mine) in my car. Got hit with open intox.
Finally, I threw a big rock through a picture window for literally no reason except I could.
There may have been more, but itโs been a long time and I keep my nose clean these days. Try not to think about it much.
jacoobz ยท 470 points ยท Posted at 15:31:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was the offense?
LimonKay ยท 2524 points ยท Posted at 15:35:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
jowseyboy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OMG YOU ABSOLUTE PILE OF SHIT HOW DARE YOU DO SUCH A THING OH MY GOD DO YIU REALISE HOW MUCH TROUBLE YOU'RE IN MISTER HOW DARE YOU STEAL MY FLOATING OBJECT
There's just something about this that makes me laugh - I haven't been to prison (yet...hopefully never), but I can completely empathize and sympathize with this feeling of fucking up and fearing mom's fury.
It's just funny how this feeling is so universal across all categories no matter the scale of fuckuppery.
xdrvgy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is a criminal until they fuck up. Nobody is evil nor deserves punishment until they suddenly do something they shouldn't have. Any one of you who is reading this, could go into a jail in the future. So, pay attention and don't do stupid shit.
I was with the Victory Crew working the booth and our bands. Iโm not actually in a band! Never really spoke with those dudes or Tyler but heard good things about them.
Thatโs always great to hear! Too many metal bands that are just full of themselves. Kerry had a few passive aggressive comments about our bands on the tour but everyone else in the Slayer camp was rad.
I thought I was SO COOL listening to "Snake Eyes" during my freshman year- definitely my favorite album from them
I think the only musician nicer than Tyler is Tom from Lorna Shore but I'm lucky to have never had any artist from the music scene be a dick to me ((perks of being a young and somewhat attractive girl?))
Yoooooo I discovered Lorna Shore a few years ago and I immediately bought their EP online. Great to see those guys getting on some solid tours. Their team is doing a great job (can't say the same about us, Victory lol).
I still think I'm cool listening to Sworn In. Fak the haters (#BLEGH).
Most artists/musicians in the metal scene are just genuinely nice human beings. It's a shame to read those stories online about how some members treat their fans, especially the women. Totally heartbreaking.
IF he had his priorities right, he wouldnโt have missed Slayer. That being said, DUDE STAY OUT OF JAIL THIS YEAR because if you miss them again, youโll never get another opportunity! I know Iโm fucking pumped.
I got arrested at the show by cops trying to find people drinking in parking lots. They found a .5g bag of weed on me and let all the underage drinkers go ...
I plan on it! I think CT is the closest venue for me, but I plan on being there for sure! I'm just glad I got to see them before Hanneman passed. I think the years of build up made me appreciate that show more.
Iโve seen them a few times, I got into them when I was 19 and Iโm 23 now so nearly once a year. Iโm not missing this tour for the world. Theyโre coming to First Niagara in June, which is right by Pittsburgh so I donโt have to travel. I would if I had to, but Iโm happy I donโt haha
I had a dream recently that I went to jail. and more than anything I was upset that I was going to miss Infinity War. not that i ducked up my life or that i wouldn't see my wife, but that I'd miss the new Avengers flick.
That I had irreversibly fucked up my life and if I was smart I should probably take the first chance I can to kill myself and be done with it rather than continue living my life as a disappointment to myself and everyone I love.
My husband was up for 40 years for a king pin drug charge. He said if he had gotten that time he would have probably killed himself, and was thinking of ways to do it. He ended up paying his lawyer a huge sum of money and got 10 months in county jail, got out, got his shit together and now he has a great job, a great wife (obviously) and owns his own home. He always says he never thought he would have any of this and Iโm really proud of him.
Edit: Thank you all for all the sincere questions, and fuck everyone who said rude shit. All of this happened way before I met my husband and there is no more money and he is a normal guy working a regular job some eight years later. Just trying to shed light on something Iโm familiar with.
[deleted] ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 15:53:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow change really IS possible. It takes a lot from the individual though. They have to wanna change
1P221 ยท 645 points ยท Posted at 16:22:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. I know our government was written by lawyers, but it's intrinsically flawed. The idea of a person's fate resting on hiring a better debater than the other side is kinda fucked up. Lawyers should still exist, but they should work in randomly shuffled panels of 5 for any given case. their job is to ask the questions and push the trial along. A judge still listens and prevails. the point is that the 5 lawyers are a neutral party that is well versed in the law and interacts with both sides in front of the ruling party.
ugh, screaming into the void 6 comments deep again. why do I do this.
1P221 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:06:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you buddy. Scream on... like a fart in a spacesuit
in space, nobody can hear you fart. but seriously, can you imagine how bad it is when someone rips in the space station? my girlfriend farted in a tent once and it was fucking awful. it got me thinking about those poor people in a tin can.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rich and powerful want if flawed. It's their way out. If the government sues a bank the attorneys protect the bank. It's broken by design. The people in change want it broke.
Seriously, no offense to the OP, but most people don't have six figures of ill gotten cash lying around to pay some Johnny Cochran or Robert Kardashian to help spring them out.
beyerch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like a storage locker w/ pallets of money, perhaps?
TVK777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he was really running a drug organization, then maybe not much change was required. Just a change of product. The administrative, organizational, and managerial skills learned in one business are transferable to another.
This is true. Heโs said if he knew he could make this much money legally he never would have sold drugs to begin with.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep!
My mom cant figure out why my brother is such a fuck up after multiple times in prison. "Why cant he just learn?" "because he doesn't fucking want to."
CaptCaCa ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:36:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. I used a court appointed lawyer when i first went in and dude fucked me. Family coughed up some doe and hired a good lawyer was out in three months on a 10 year charge.
bestcwd2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:18:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the point you're trying to make. but selling drugs doesn't justify spending what basically amounts to the rest of your adult life behind bars, and I'm not going to start a rant about the drug war lmao. I don't know anything about this guy's case, but unless he committed a violent felony along the way, 10 months in county jail seems appropriate to me
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a drug user I'm never going to agree with the drug war.
Doesn't mean I have to agree with the criminals exploiting users.
Especially king pins.
You don't become a king pin by keeping your head down and flying right.
bestcwd2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt he was actually a "king pin". you can easily get 40 years for being just a mid-level dealer if you're selling anything hard (i'm just assuming given the lengthy sentence).
OP was probably exaggerating. also "exploiting" is subjective. dealers often fall into it because of their own addictions. you never know. you could say the same thing about tobacco or alcohol companies.
Itโs a charge. He was selling hard drugs and was not addicted to them, but treated it very much like a business. He is a salesperson with a good mind for business and has translated that into a great career.
Iโm not from this area, but everyone knows my husband and as Iโve been told, if you brought drugs (in this particular area) in (particular time) then they came from (husband). Heโs not proud of it, but thatโs how he made his living until he got caught.
Maybe if you lost someone to heroin you might think otherwise. Having said that I personally think drugs should be a health issue rather than criminal.
bestcwd2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:33:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i used to be a heroin addict myself, so id like to think i know what I'm talking about :)
No violent felony. Selling drugs should not put you down for 40 years. In this good olโ boy system we have here, money talks. A lot of the people he grew up with didnโt have it and got serious time. The whole system is fucked.
Selling some drugs isn't a big deal, but if you're looking at a 40 year sentence and its described as "king pin", you're hurting people. A lot of people. If you oversee the drug trade, you are endorsing your guys beating up other guys, you are purchasing your supplies from dangerous and violent men and in essence funding them, and you are contributing to overdoses, theft, and other minor crimes from your customers.
Lets not pretend its just not a big deal to sell heroin, or worse, pretend its not a big deal to sell heroin to guys who sell heroin. What you are doing is a violent crime against a community, no matter how you want to rationalize it.
bestcwd2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, I never looked at it that way
kuavi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does one pay the lawyer to serve less than 1 year out of a 40 year sentence?
I'd understand if he agreed to be an informant but I don't see how money would be involved there.
No, what you're paying for is systemic corruption of the justice system. All lawyers work for free, and if you have to pay a lot of money for a serious criminal defense well that's just your attorney being an evil person and taking advantage of his easy job. Anyone can be an attorney nowadays after all. /s
You're paying for an attorney to literally insert his face into as much previous case law as as he can in order to find ANYTHING to get you off.
Most attorneys are private practice. They work independent to the system itself. If you want a criminal defense to ensure you get a fair trial, that's one thing, but expecting a lawyer to break has back for you in order to get you off, that's asking for so much more entirely. It goes beyond what's usually asked in the job description. That's why it's obviously going to be much more expensive.
Rather than just accounting for the facts and judicial procedure, your attorney is trying to find a loophole to invalidate the charges in your case. That's a colossal undertaking, and when you're working as a private contractor, you're not going to shell out that time of yours as cheaply as usual services because it's just impractical.
Even if he finds the loophole (it is amazing that we consider the constitution a loop hole) he still has to get the trial judge to agree at suppression. In some places the persecutors threatened to pull plea agreements if he files the suppression. If he doesn't win the suppression he then has to get the judge to certify the interlocutory appeal or face trial with the evidence coming in. The biggest sham is sex crimes. They charge so that the accused is facing his life in jail and on "the list" Evidence tainted by perception, word against word, but just enough the court of appeals will say the evidence is sufficient. Then the prosecutor slides you a deal. Out in a couple, low level felony, 10 years on the list. Even though innocent, people take that option and say guilty. Sex crimes are the lowest to reoffend. Justice?
bsbbtnh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Common law. You might think that when you're charged, that the laws your government passed will determine what happens to you (sentence, guilt, etc). But that is largely untrue. Common law is basically precedents set by judges deciding how to apply that law, how to apply sentences, etc.
So when you hire a good lawyer, and pay good money, they will spend lots of time looking at random cases that have been decided since your country came into existance. They'll find the ones where a judge was very favorable to the defendant, and where some of the facts mirror what you're up against. They'll use all these cases to strip away evidence from the prosecutor's case, to get things dismissed, and to help whittle down your sentence if convicted.
But for a lawyer to go and find all these past cases (most likely their assistant), it takes time, and time means money.
In things like Supreme Court cases (in the US), lawyers will even go back to letters the founding fathers have written, to show what their intent was when writing parts of the constitution and other laws.
kuavi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. From the way the other post was written, it just seemed like the guy was given the option to get out of jail (mostly) if he gave him a bunch of money.
Money is always involved. He was not an informant, he just had enough money. His lawyer told him if he paid an additional (large) sum, he wouldnโt have to jail at all, but he chose the time.
kuavi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
where was that money going? Bribe or some legal loophole?
There was once a case in Richmond, IN where a certain defender and a certain prosecutor had a deal going with money under the table. I am sure it happens elswhere.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:03:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you could be a great husband for all we know.
HariBadr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm pretty sure he didnโt, I hope he didnโt. I feel like he could have gotten a better price, for sure, if he did. His lawyer got him that sentence for that money by finding a loophole (I believe having to do with the search). He got a team of lawyers and law students to figure it out. But, who knows. Iโm glad heโs not in prison (I met him ~7 years after this all went down), Iโm happy he got his shit together. Itโs not something I like to talk about a lot.
HariBadr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:54:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No loophole is giving you 10 months out of 40 years. I know people who've spent a lot of money for similar charges, now doing 30+ years.
I hope that I'm somehow wrong but can't blame me for being skeptical.
tdames ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably got off on a technicality that made it impossible for all the charges to stick. He was left with some minor charges that could be proved. Happens all the time.
HariBadr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but I figured that'd be mentioned. Not enough detail.
It was a loophole and it took a lot of effort to find it. Basically a technicality and had minor charges, with a 10 month sentence. Does happen a lot, thank you :)
Thank you for sharing, you are a great wife. Jail is not meant to be a punishment, but to protect others and (theoretically) allow you time to change. It sounds like he has changed. Good on both of you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. He didnโt go to trial. I donโt know if any of that money went to the prosecutor or not.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If this is the U.S. (I'm guessing it was), no. At least I hope not. But by paying for a good lawyer (as I assume your husband did) who knows how to negotiate with prosecutors, you can get a great deal. I'm glad that your family did! Thank you for your answer.
Youโre welcome! It was in the US and he paid a good lawyer and got a reduced sentence. He did end up with felonies and has since applied for, and gotten his rights back.
Heโs really kind of an average guy. When the prosecutor saw him, the guy that sold all the drugs, he was like, โseriously? This guy?โ. He grew up pretty poor and figured out at a very young age he could make a lot of money selling drugs to support his grateful dead tour habit and he gradually got more into it but had too much conscience to keep all the money. It was a pretty depressing time for him, even though he was making hundreds of thousands of dollars, he was lonely. Iโm glad he made it out.
Read this earlier, tried to figure it out, still canโt. Fuck you. He is now a dear and doting normal husband with a normal job. How sweet of you to comment. I was just trying to shed light on a comment.
Zenblend ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 04:37:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Forgive me if reading "my criminal husband used his ill-gotten gains to avoid punishment" didn't fill me to the rafters with inspiration.
You know what? Fuck you and whoever youโre with. Heโs not a criminal anymore, he learned from his mistakes and became a better person for it. Obviously second chances are not part of your reality. I donโt give a fuck if what I said didnโt fill you to anywhere with anything.
Zenblend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how pissy you get when people say "fuck you" right back.
Your husband is the same as he was before; he just decided that he used up all of his chances and plays it straight now. All the same old thoughts are still there.
I didnโt say that part of his journey was right. Unfortunately, thatโs just how the legal system works. I said be happy that someone was able to turn his life around and now is a normal citizen instead of some huge drug dealer. People make mistakes, but they also make up for them.
Conquerz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can do it! I always get nervous about homework, but if I keep at it long enough I get through it. And don't be afraid to ask for help - the best students usually do.
Yeah, I sit on the edge most of the time. I manage well enough, but going to prison would result in me very quickly checking out via Razorblade Express.
I have, some tough times for a while but I made it. Thanks.
FatMan832 ยท 1075 points ยท Posted at 16:33:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested at 5pm, questioning, booking, transfer, etc. I am not given a bunk assignment until 3AM. I am 6'3 and 330lbs, built but fat. More of an out of shape wrestler (wrassler). When I was assigned, I listed all of my medical problems (diabetic, high BP, long list).
The buzzer goes off, guard opens door and then slams it shut. The sound, the fucking sound, the atmosphere, shit. The first words I hear, in a deep southern voice is, "Boy, you gots a pretty mouth. Come sleep near daddy." I stopped. Frozen. The loud speaker comes on and the guard yells, "Get to your bunk now!" I go in the 30 man two tier tank and straight to my bunk. Never slept. Thinking how to protect myself. Fight, fight to the death. Let them know that you'll bight and fight dirty.
Never closed my eyes. Buzzer goes off, "The day room is open." I see the person who yelled out at me. A 70 year old man in a wheel chair, bald and barley alive. I see other old men who can hardly walk. I was in the hospital ward, infirmary, sick tank, etc.
The old man couldn't stop laughing. "You should have seen your face boy!"
They did that to every person that came in at night. Freaked them out. Turns out they were the coolest bunch of people I've ever been with. They gave me the rules of the tank, no fighting, no stealing, no fucking, etc.
Second time? Wasn't as nice. I was thrown into a zoo. Spit at 20 times on my way to the bunk assignment, when one hit me directly in the mouth, I went berserk and fought. Got my ass kicked nicely. Never got spat at again.
lahimatoa ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 19:36:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Boy, you gots a pretty mouth."
Primal fear, right there.
dkf295 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:59:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what if I really do have a pretty mouth?
lahimatoa ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:30:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you feel proud.
Aegi ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 22:43:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And now we know how women can feel when getting catcalled...
So accurate. I mean not as scary sometimes... but sometimes it really is. And it's every day, no matter where you go.
However, yesterday my car started making a funny noise underneath it, like something was loose and dragging. I was in a parking lot and everyone was looking at me. After about 20 seconds this man, prob in his 30's, waves me down and says he can see something dragging underneath my car. He says let me look at it. I pull into the first parking spot and he does a temp fix for whatever was dragging. I was so grateful. He was pretty much gone before I could say thank you. It really made my day. Some people are really awesome.
Sorry kinda random story but it really warmed my heart. :) But STILL, some guys have no shame.
Mokitty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've been told "you're lucky I can't rape you" before and then the guy was incredulous that I was offended, he insisted it was a compliment and that he didnt intend to make me uncomfortable because, and I quote, "you're young enough to be my daughter!" YEAH. Some people are really that awful. Women get rape jokes all the time, in public places, and men will insist it's funny and harmless... But when the joke is about them, and their body being violated, suddenly it's scary and not funny.
That's actually scary on a higher level. But when you're walking on the street and some guy starts walking next to you saying Damnnn girl, you fine, you wanna go to my crib and hang out? I mean what is the percentage of girls that actually say yes to that lol. It's scarier in the dark tho, when a guy is less vocal and just creeps on you. Or follows you in his car. I could go on... But I love your post and it brings up a great point.
Yeah I work on cars as a hobby, so I stop to help people a lot. Man, woman, group, whomever.
Guys are almost always chill like "naw I got this" or something and women are usually pretty standoffish until they realize I'm actually trying to help. I never push it though. I'm like "Do you need help?" "No." "Okay then, good luck"
I drove a couple girls to the next gas station 7 or 8 miles down the freeway a few years ago and when they got out, one dropped her can of mace accidentally that she'd been holding in her hand the whole time. She was all embarrassed.
That never crossed my mind that she could've maced me though.
So you're doing them a favor and she has the guts to try and mace you. I can see what the situation presents, but why would you get in someone else's car if you're going to fear him/her anyways.
Aegi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same reason people wear seatbelts, not b/c they are planning on a crash, but just in case.
Did you read his comment? Where in his comment does it say that she tried to mace him? It only says that she dropped it. We can infer that she was holding it in her hand just in case anything happened. Being a girl in a car with a strange male can be a very scary thing. She was just protecting herself just in case, I wouldn't blame her at all.
In case of what?? She got into a strangers car. If you're willing to get into a strangers car, you should have no intention of harming the person helping you.
In case he tries to abduct her. Sure, his intentions may appear pure at first but things can change very quickly once you get into someone's car. You're in their space now and she should be able to defend herself if need be. You never know anyone's intentions these days or if they have ulterior motives.
What is the other option? Just stand on the side of the road forever? Taking a ride from a stranger isn't that unusual and neither is wanting to protect yourself. I'm a dude, I wouldn't be offended at all if some lady had her hand on her pepper spray when I was helping her.
But the point is, you don't walk in to a restaurant with a test kit. You used your own judgement to go to said place. If something feels sketchy, then why risk it? It's not the fact that she didn't use it, it's that she set the precedent that she could've used it and endanger someone else. Would your mind have changed if she was holding a gun?
What punishment did you recieve for fighting the dude that spat on you?
FatMan832 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:12:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got my ass kicked for 15 seconds (4 guys), guards yelled, three seconds later it stopped. I was questioned, and I knew better. I kept quiet, "I fell. They helped me up." I kept repeating it. Guards yelled at me, I kept to my story. I went back in. Passed the same guys. No spit. No trash talk. Just stare down, but I didn't make eye contact.
It was worth it. I should have jumped at first spit. Thing is, not one big dude fucked with me. It was all short & small guys (young). The older big guys didn't need to show anything.
I yawned every time I walked into a new room bc it was the most neutral expression I could think of. I was afraid if I didn't smile I'd look aggressive or angry, and that if I did, I might look cocky or weak so... I yawned.
I think so. Let me clarify so I'm not overstating anything:
1.) county jail, not prison. Female barracks.
2.) one person tried to mess with me while I was sleeping but I didn't have to do anything about it. Everyone was verbally on her ass before I even fully woke up. I'd had a lot of morning sickness during the night and had finally managed to get some sleep so I think the other women felt sorry for me.
quiltr ยท 1720 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I have a story for this one. And I swear to god, it happened just like this. It was traumatizing at the time, but now it's pretty funny.
So, I was young and stupid and accidentally bounced a $25.00 check at a grocery store. Just after this happened, like within a week, we had to move out of our apartment because our shitty neighbor claimed my dog tried to attack him (which was BS). So we moved rather quickly, and due to the finances at the time, I didn't have the money to get the phone turned on in the new place for about a month. We also missed getting our mail for about two weeks. Mail that included the notice from the grocery store that the check had bounced, and the bank statement for the month that also showed the bounced check.
Fast forward a year later and I'm driving to work with a bag full of neurosurgical medical charts for the surgeon I work for to use while seeing his patients at his satellite office that morning. I get pulled over for speeding and oh, look! There's a warrant for my arrest! The state trooper was kind enough to let me pull my car off the tollway so I wouldn't get towed, then I guess he realized I wasn't much of a threat, because I ended up in the front seat with him.
So picture this innocent little 23 year old girl in a floral sundress, absolutely terrified because nothing like this had ever happened to her before. And what is the first thing the trooper says to me? "This is my first week here in {city}, so I don't actually know how to get to the jail from here. Do you know which way I need to go?"
So I direct him to the jail, and once we get inside, clutching my purse and the bag full of medical charts, I sit on a little chair up next to a wall. He walks over to talk to someone. He talks, turns and looks at me, talks again, then starts laughing. He walks back over to where I'm sitting and tells me that he will give the bag with the charts to the clerk and she will call my co-worker to come get them. Then he says, "Also, you can't sit there. You need to stand on those footprints in front of that desk."
I'm still trembling like a leaf and trying not to cry, and I begged to be allowed to stay where I was. He said, "No, they need to be able to see your hands, just in case you have a gun hidden on you somewhere. Not that you could hit anything, the way you're shaking, but those are the rules." So I stand in front of the desk and he takes my purse and bag of charts away.
After about 10 minutes, another officer comes to the desk with a stack full of papers. He barks at me to tell him my name, which I do. However, between the time the warrant was written and the day I was arrested, I had gotten married. So I told him my married name, without really thinking about it. He flips through the papers, and flips through the papers, and about the third time he starts flipping, I finally realized what I'd done, so I said, "Um, it might be under my maiden name, which is {name}?" He starts yelling at me for not telling him that the first time, and now I'm sobbing.
A female officer takes me into a room to search me, although fortunately, I didn't have to totally strip down (or cough, ugh). She proceeds to tell me, "You need to calm down. If I put you in there crying like this, they're gonna be on you like white on rice." Because that's TOTALLY going to make me CALM DOWN.
Eventually they put me in this cell with one girl who I got the impression was a gang member of some sort, and a very motherly looking black lady. I sit down in a corner and make myself as small as possible. The gang girl comes over and starts making fun of my clothes and harassing me until the motherly lady shoos her off and sits down next to me. She pats my leg and tells me it's going to be okay, then asks why I'm there.
I tell her that I bounced a check, but I didn't realize I bounced it, so I was arrested. She smiles and tells me that I'll be fine. I'll be there a couple of hours, they'll book me, and then they'll let me go with a court date, and not to get myself so worked up.
I thank her and ask why she's there. "Oh, I tried to kill my husband with a meat cleaver. The judge said he was inclined to give me leniency but I told him, 'Judge, you let me out of here and I'll go after the son of a bitch again!" So he's letting me cool down."
My eyes must have been the size of saucers. Now I'm even more terrified. I sit there for a few minutes then excuse myself for the bathroom, but once I was there I realized there were no doors and no privacy at all, so I changed my mind. When I came back out, I sat down on the floor near the phones.
About five minutes later, another girl is put in with us. This one is jerking and scratching her skin and acting very strange. I'm sitting there just staring at her as she picks up the phone to call someone. Then I hear, "Psst... Psst!" I look around and see the motherly lady motioning to me. She mouths "Come over here" at me, so I move back over to where she's sitting. "Honey, that girl's about to flip out. You don't want to be over there when that happens."
I swear, those words were no sooner out of her mouth, than the girl WENT INSANE. She started screaming and clawing at herself and hitting herself on the head with the phone receiver. Gang girl very calmly walks over to pound on the door, insisting that they come get the drug girl out. They do, and everything quiets back down.
The three of us sit there for a couple of hours before they take gang girl out. Then a little while later, they come to get me, do the whole fingerprinting, mug shot thing then they release me with a bunch of paperwork.
Now, here I am at the jail, and my car is still out by the tollway. My mother, who worked at the same hospital I worked at, was having her retirement party that particular day, and my sister was there so I called the unit and got my sister on the line. "{Sister}, I need a favor." "Ok, what's up?" "I need you to come pick me up, but you CANNOT tell Mom where I am." "Ok...where are you?" "I'm at {jail}?" "YOU'RE IN JAIL!" "Shut up! Shut up shut up shutup!"
She comes to pick me up and I was fortunate that the doctor I worked for thought it was hilarious, so I didn't get fired. I did end up having to work on my birthday, to make up for the day I was out, but I felt like I got off pretty, easy all things said.
ETA: Holy cats! My very first gold! I don't even know what the etiquette is for this. Am I allowed to name the person who gave it to me? Thank you very much gold-giver!
lahimatoa ยท 630 points ยท Posted at 19:39:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, I tried to kill my husband with a meat cleaver. The judge said he was inclined to give me leniency but I told him, 'Judge, you let me out of here and I'll go after the son of a bitch again!" So he's letting me cool down."
10 points for honesty.
Beenay-25 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ceannasai ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:23:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"if you'd've been there, if you'd've seen it, I bet you you would have done the same"
phormix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:25:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And who's to what the full situation was. Maybe the husband was a real son-of-a-bitch himself.
Yeah, prison systems are much much more intense for dudes. All the cries of "feminism is about equality" are complete horse shit. We let men rot of we think they're bad and we like it that way. For women, it's like "omg it was so scary."
Gigadweeb ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:28:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just the sort of intellectual response I expect from a feminist.
test0314 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You got a lot of downvotes but I agree with you. Also, why does she only mention the ethnicity of the black lady? Why not tell everyoneโs ethnicity? Itโs weird. And the cop sits her in the front seat with him. Would that happen to any male?
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:19:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The entire justice system is skewed for women
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all that over $25 is just ridiculous enough to be believable.
TVK777 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:46:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if she didn't work harder and commit fraud for millions of dollars instead, this would've never happened.
Acrolith ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That black lady sounds kinda awesome, not gonna lie, and I'm inclined to believe her husband deserved it.
quiltr ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:38:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, me too. I figured if the judge was "inclined to give her leniency" as she said, that he probably did something really shitty.
Sparowl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to say - don't ask her why she tried to kill her husband and she seems like she'd be alright.
SoftTen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:19:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bouncing a check is jail-worthy? It's never happened to me but I always figured they'd just hound you with a collections company or something
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:28:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I think I remember the transition having grocery stores accept for a little longer than other stores but it still stopped something like 20 years ago.
Damn girl, that's an impressive story. Asshole officers though
quiltr ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:39:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The state trooper was really nice, and for the most part so was the one who searched me, but man the first one at the desk was just awful. Seriously, dude, I bounced a $25 check. Do you really need to yell at me?
Honestly you're lucky you only got one asshole guard.
I was in for about half a day and the guards were down right evil.
There were people going crazy screaming for their medications, hitting the intercom button and the guards just ignore everyone and everything and don't give a shit. I'm sure people have seizures and worse in there and the guards just let it happen.
I'm pretty sure they just stop viewing inmates as human beings pretty quickly.
Sparowl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first one seemed pretty cool about it all.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hang on, you can go to jail for a bounced check?
quiltr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:34:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, you can if you don't make it good. I would have gone in and cleared it all up if I had known I bounced it. But yes, you can go to jail for it.
Where even, my memory goes back to late 80s at least, would let you pay by cheque without a cheque guarantee card? Obvs not an issue anymore as nowhere accepts cheques.
quiltr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what a check guarantee card is, but this was in the US.
Cheque guarantee card is basically your bank card that they took an imprint of when you paid by cheque. It would guarantee a cheque to be paid up to a value of ยฃ250/500 depending on your credit rating. You basically couldn't pay at a store without one.
quiltr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. No, we didn't have that. I can't remember if I even had an ATM card that far back.
Yeah theyโre called hot check laws. It used to be more of a thing when checks were more of a thing but now with instant debit it doesnโt happen much.
Wrt to the woman trying to kill her husband, the first thing that comes to mind is "he had it coming, he had it coming, he only had himself to blame".
Jamf24 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the male version of that same story. Well, I guess only the going to jail part, I didnt get any fatherly advice while I was there.
I bounced an $11 check and about a year later was pulled over for speeding. I found out later that the cop must have run my name through every county in the state looking for stuff on me, because they didnt have sophisticated enough systems, at the time, to have found my warrant otherwise.
I was taken to a little county jail, and after I was booked in the only thing I was thinking was, "I hope nobody steals my shoes".
I had to spend the night in jail and then be transported 3 1/2 hours back to my county, where I spent another few hours before they let me go.
That was the suckiest $11 I ever spent.
quiltr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! That's awful. At least my experience only lasted half a day.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did your husband say?
quiltr ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:42:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that's another funny story. So the night before all this happened, he and his friends played a horrible prank on me. He played indoor soccer at the time, and I didn't want to go to the game that night. Well, right around the time I started expecting him home I got a call from one of his friends saying that he broke his leg and they were on the way to the hospital. I totally panicked and was half-way out the door when they called back to tell me it was a joke. They BARELY caught me, and this was back before cell phones.
So when I told him that I'd been arrested and that he needed to come get me and take me to my car, he didn't believe me. He kept telling me that he wasn't falling for that, and to get a better story for revenge. After about a five minute argument, he finally agreed to come get me. It took me actually showing him my release paperwork before he honestly believed I'd been arrested.
quiltr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:37:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, but they just released me with a bunch of paperwork, and I had to go pay off the check and the fines, then take a letter with me to court on my court date saying it was paid. Even then I didn't go before the judge. I got to the courtroom and was told to go to a clerk of some sort. I showed the letter and paid "court costs" and was free to go.
When it's minor offenses they can let you out from the precinct with R.O.R. (Released on your own recognizance) or low bail. I think they just have to call a judge and get it ok'd but I could be wrong about that.
quiltr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even have to go before the judge. I just had to pay the check and bring the letter to court saying it was paid, then pay court costs, and they dismissed it.
Sparowl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great story. Honestly, as frightening as it was at the time, it's probably worth it now just to have that story to tell.
quiltr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. It took me a few years, but now it's one of my favorite stories to tell.
takatori ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does a bounced check have anything to do with the criminal justice system? Wouldnโt that be a civil matter, unless it were a fraudulent check?
They didn't... She got taken to jail because she skipped court over the check, and a judge signed a warrant for her. If you have a warrant out on you, for anything, and you get stopped, you are going to go to jail pretty much anywhere. The police have no leeway to let you go.
Bounced check and speeding? Innocent my ass.......
quiltr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:44:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha! Well, it was the first time I was caught speeding, and I'm usually much better about staying near the speed limit, but that day I was already running late, so I wasn't really paying attention to how fast I was going.
It's cool. I was just joking. I thought your story was great. I'm 6'3" and 230 pounds and I would blubber like a kid whose puppy died if I were to have to spend time in jail.
I don't get why somebody gets a warrant for not paying a bill, weird
quiltr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't that I didn't pay a bill. I bounced a check. If it goes a certain amount of time after the check bounced and you don't go pick it up and pay for the check and the fines, it's considered theft by check.
I understand that bouncing a check is considered theft, but why on earth does one have to go to jail for theft of what, 50 dollars? That's just outright crazy.
She went to jail for skipping her court date, because she didn't check the mail and couldn't receive phone calls, and wasn't aware of it coming up.
Skipping court dates means you get a warrant, because of course it does, its essential to how our system works. If she had a phone or checked the mail, it would have taken up about an hour of her Tuesday. She would show up with 25 dollars in hand and then go to work.
Aegi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if you were a 23 year old man it would have been way different, especially if you were scared.
As a woman you get to be scared, as a man, when we're scared it's viewed as suspicious b/c we obviously did something wrong/worth feeling guilty about.
quiltr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:46:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and that really sucks. I wish men weren't treated as though showing emotions made them less masculine.
Aegi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of agree, I don't give a fuck if we're viewed as less masculine or not, I just don't want being more or less of any gender to be a good or bad thing for anyone.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I've lost my job, my apartment, Rizzo is going to have to go back to the shelter, im going to prison for a very long time, my life is literally over, I should kill myself."
But! My boss came and put money in my books when he heard what had happened, assured me that I still had a job whenever I got out, I kept my apartment to the end of my lease, I still have Rizzo, a co-worker used to date this lawyer who got me 3 years probation, and this same coworker convinced his current boyfriend to put up $10000 bail, my life was definitely derailed a bit but I'm getting it back on track, and I'm only a little dead inside \o/
Formatting sucks because mobile and almost off lunch break, but hey :)
[deleted] ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 21:38:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Caring, very. Rich, maybe not so much. We all worked together at Chipotle, and my being a manager meant that I actually made more than the guy that helped me out. I was just fortunate that my coworker and his ex remained as close as they did, and the lawyer was kind enough to allow me a payment plan. It's been just just over 3 years, and I still owe over $8000. Beats the heck out of prison though
I don't understand the putting up 10k bail thing if they were min wage Chipotle workers. If it was 10% there is no way you owe them 8k still and if it was the full 10 how did they get the cash?
They absolutely were/are. Were, because I've since moved on to another job, but I still keep in contact with many of them. The manager I mentioned is now my next door neighbor through a random twist, and we still hang out :)
No, you're right (partially). I would point out that I had no priors, I had just graduated college, I tend to be very personable ( which earned the friend that helped with the lawyer and bail money, and certainly didn't hurt during my interactions with the judge), and I completed every single counselling session and relapse prevention program I could afford. Throughout the whole ordeal though, I kept thinking how lucky I was to be a white guy
I was arrested while trying to schedule a diversion class I had missed. Missing the class violated a plea bargain stemming from a DUI i had gotten months before. I was immediately taken to processing, this was a Friday about noon. Unfortunately the court was full for the day so I didn't get to see a judge until the following Monday. I was put in a group cell with about 30 people. At first I tried to keep a low profile. I grabbed a book off a shelf and began to read, it was some silly romance novel, but it was all that was available. Then, some gang banger saw me reading. He took my book and started yelling; "look at Mr. smarty pants, reading books over here. He thinks he's too good for us!" I was scared shitless! I wanted NO part of a jail fight. I just wanted to read and get through the weekend. Luckily a guy who was often in jail, (but a really cool dude) came and put the banger in his place. Gave me the book back and asked, "you know how to write too? Can you help me write a letter to my girl?" I proceeded to help write letters for 5-6 different cell mates. It was surreal, I became a protected guy, all because I helped some bad dudes communicate with the outside world. The letters I wrote were amazing. One guy had me tell his gf's how much he wanted to lick her ass.. Seriously. One guy had a newborn at home. He was out buying formula when he was picked up for a parole violation. His household had no phone, so his fiance had no idea what happened to him, or their car for 3 days. He cried when we were writing the letter. I was humbled by the experience.
I got sentenced to 10 days for missing the class and got out in 5 total. I ended up getting high fives and hugs from some of my cell mates as I was released. All in all it was a positive experience, all things considered.
EDIT: Added some words
smellwell ยท 382 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly was! I actually took some film classes in college and wanted to write a script about the experience. More happened that weekend thatwas very movie like, including a music montage. No shit. We had to clean the cell on Monday after breakfast. There was a tv on the wall that had a radio so we listened to music while sweeping and mopping. Right after we started, Aerosmith's Dream On came on. We all were into it. Moving brooms and mops to the beat of the song. Then the chorus hit and at least half the cell bust out, singing loudly. We were using the handles like microphones swaying side to side. It was amazing. Until we hear the guards bang on the door, cut the music, and yell over the loudspeaker to "calm down and shut up". We unfortunately lost our TV privileges for the rest of the morning.
10/10 would sing in jail again.
smellwell ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is the greatest story I have heard in a hot minute. I know you said it was a positive experience all in all, but, do you hold serious regret for skipping the class, or would you still have skipped it, given the chance to re-do that part of life.
Good question. On one hand Id love to have the ability to still say I have never been to jail in my life. You know,because you are not supposed to go to jail. I consider myself a positive member of society. But in retrospect, the experience did rehabilitate me. I didn't take the diversion seriously or I wouldn't have missed the class. After my 5 days and getting out, the air smelled sweeter, food tasted better. I was much more serious about diversion, even though when I was originally pulled over and blew a .030, less than half the legal limit.
To put a cap on my movie like experience... My best friend and his brother picked me up when I was released. We pulled out of the jail lot with the top down on his Mustang Cobra. He and his brother just laughed as we blasted the song Akon - Locked Up at full volume.
smellwell ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now for the question to end all questions, since your life is clearly a movie...what actor plays the main character?
When I was pulled over I had been going 75 in a 50, crossing state lines. That speed put me in the "negligent driving" range. So I had to perform a field sobriety test, which I passed. The cop said he felt I was under the influence so they arrested me and took me to a hospital for a breathalyzer and blood test. The cop thought the obscene speed was cause for DUI. The "legal limit" only applies if you go over that mark. If you are over it is automatically a DUI, if you are under the limit, it is cops judgment.
dinkstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:17:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he went to jail in Mayberry.
User4780 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:16:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, the American prison system. Big guys in a fight, let em go (and yes, I know it's because no guard in their right mind is gonna get in between that, had enough of them as clients in my medical facility not only explain why but were there because they tried to stop it). But let a group of men, that would usually want to bitch and fight each other all day, actually bond over something silly.... Gotta stop that shit right away!!
I wish I had a way to prove the story, I really do. If you check my post/comment history you'll see I've been active here for over 8 years (just had my 8th cake day) and I have very little karma. I am not in the habit of karma whoring. Unfortunately my only family, and a few friends have heard the story and I don't believe any of them are on Reddit to confirm. But I understand your doubts. It sounds crazy, but it's all true, every word.
Vixeric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been reading this story about three times now because I can just imagine you with a "How did I even end up here" face, totally confused, but just going with the flow because eh, why not?
You hit the nail on the head. I asked myself "how/why" a million times. Then I just buckled up and enjoyed the ride. It was crazy to hear guys in jail talk about their lives and how they got there. There is TONS of time to chat in jail. Some guys were just down on their luck and could never catch a break. Others truly felt the world was out to get them. You really see all kinds of people in jail.
Vixeric ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:33:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least you could make a stand-up comedy story with this experience. I would watch the hell out of that.
I love that. That happened to me in basic training but it was Back To Life by Soul II Soul.
I think we've all watched so many movies that when music is injected into an unfamiliar or surreal environment, it almost always feels like a movie. I kind of love it.
I'm thinking about going into law enforcement and let me tell you, if I was a guard there and the rest of them said that they had to go shut that down I would be like "do we have to? can we let them have a little fun?
There's an Eddie Murphy movie called Life. He's put in forced laibour because of false charges. He is the only one who can read or write so he helps the other convicts write letters.
Lol when I was locked up we could send emails. But you had to pay by the minute for computer time. Being a young guy I was quick on the computer so guys would come ask my for help all the time. They'd write the letter and I'd slam it out on the computer in 1-2 minutes saving them time and money. Made a few friends which goes a long way in prison.
This is really cool! My only question is, why could they not write their own letters? Thereโs such a tiny fraction of illiterate people in America, I find it hard to believe you found most of them.
Quick edit: I guess I shouldnโt have assumed youโre from America, but I still donโt think there are that many countries with a high rate of illiteracy.
I think the first guy, my protector, literally couldn't read/write. The guy with the newborn at home was Hispanic if I recall and I think his English writing was very poor. The others could probably read somewhat. Enough that you wouldn't' call them illiterate. Though I was probably a genius, comparatively. So, I gave them a chance to send well written pornographic letters to their ladies.
I really wanted to. I was in a short term holding cell, he got moved shortly after the letter was written and I dint get his personal info. Never saw him again...
JH2K ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same shit happened to me without me writing the letters!!!! I was a dumb ass and dropped out of the classes they picked me up while I was BBQing and had to stay though the weekend!
He surely want bashful! He sat down and asked if I'd write a love letter to his girl. I obliged, obviously. Then he just started talking, I started writing. If memory serves, he said something along the lines of; I love you, I miss you, I cant wait to see you and stick my tongue in your ass... He continued to go on and on... I eventually stopped him to make sure we were writing something that his lady would want to read. He believed she would. Must have been some woman!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ehalon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:21:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Well, someone stole your life history then. I'll do my best to find the original thread but from on of the last time this was asked it was 3rd highest.
beyerch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Crazy how some of the simplest things most people take for granted are so valuable in other circumstances!
SL8Rfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When did this happen? Because if people in prison not being able to write letters due to illiteracy, maybe that's something I can volunteer to help do? This story really resonated with me, I want to help.
This was about 12 years ago in was my home city's jail. I said in response to a similar question, that I believe a couple of the inmates were borderline illiterate. One guy was Hispanic and his fiance was white, so it was merely a language barrier. The other few people I wrote for were probably not able to be as eloquent was they wanted and used me as a way to "wow" their significant others.
On a side note, I was really blown away by the comfort many of my cell mates had for jail. Many of them knew each other from their long stints inside. They cheered for one another when a familiar face came through the gate. My point is, jail was normal life for them, and education was not important to many of these guys for much of their lives. Many didn't have jobs or a reason to read/write on a daily basis. I think many of us take education for granted once we leave school. But it is seems as if it were a "use it or loose it" scenario for many of the people I met. They learned basic reading and writing early in life but had clearly "lost it".
IssaLlama ยท 810 points ยท Posted at 15:35:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp. Fuck. Just gonna chill and mind my own business. It was truly the worst experience of my life. Miami is not a place you want to get locked up. Its truly appalling conditions. I have no idea how its even legal to keep people like that.
I have no idea how its even legal to keep people like that.
Dehumanization of criminals. Revenge fantasies fueling the use of prison as a form of brutal punishment beyond simply removal of freedom. Lack of reform and rehabilitation as priorities in the system. Significant underfunding justified by all the above.
IssaLlama ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:37:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And i was found to be innocent. (I was innocent was in the wrong place at the wrong time) i couldn't imagine the people that spend years in there knowing they're gonna do life in prison anyways.
phormix ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:28:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck mman even innocence doesn't mean you might not get screwed if you can't afford a lawyer...
Might get screwed even if you can afford a lawyer.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:43:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Revenge fantasies fueling the use of prison as a form of brutal punishment beyond simply removal of freedom
This is a huge part of the problem in the U.S., and I'm glad you mentioned it.
Yeah, it's nice to think of awful human beings getting "fucked up in prison," but it really troubles me that so many people seem so comfortable with this. Thugs and criminals don't get to dispense justice. That's not how this works. That's solely the job of the justice system, however flawed it may be.
And as you said, simply going to prison โ and losing everything in your life, money, family, stature, etc. โ is the punishment. I don't see why the life of an inmate should be akin to walking through a dark alley in an apocalyptic wasteland.
If you ask me, having to deal with the sort of conditions OP is alluding to is a violation of the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause of the Eighth Amendment. And don't get me started on guard corruption...
Yeah agreed, I don't see why the removal of freedom, in the name of the protection of the rest of society, can't be enough.
Go any further than that, and it's basically just torture, and doesn't have any added value in terms of protecting the rest of society.
rezachi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:08:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt see it as punishment because they havenโt done it and donโt know what itโs like. They see it as a few weeks/months/years of living somewhere else with nothing to do but sit in a room. They donโt see losing your job and anything financial that a trusted family member isnโt able to hold down until you get out.
Ehalon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think we were living in the Third World.
I assume you are in the U.S.? Health and social care, along with the penal system, reform and education in general (students in over 100K debt?!) says that indeed you are near to being in the third world.
Mentioning gun crime is pointless and crass right now, and honestly for all his faults the same issues I outline below for America were a problem long before Trump. I'm leaving him out of this one, except for saying - he 'ent helping matters (same goes for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Snr etc).
We in the UK seem to very much be in the same boat, sadly. Our education system, police, National Health Service: whilst enjoying some of the most talented and enthusiastic people from all over the world are struggling to near collapse. Chronic under funding, incompetence and outright corruption are killing our core humane values and the services they offer.
Don't get me started on end of life and geriatric care..
I am IMMENSELY proud of my Country.
I also cannot and should not deny the horrors that we have committed and are perpetuating in some cases. Our seemingly immortal and unyielding inherent racism, sexism and homophobia. It is certainly present in the minority of institutions and individuals. Still it makes me incredibly sad and angry.
I truly LOVE my fellow members of the United Kingdom, in my biased opinion they are the most wonderful people I have ever met.
To turn a blind eye to the vocal, tiny minority of extremist religious and ideological zealots whom only spread hatred and division would be a terrible error on my part.
I am always uplifted to see people voluntarily giving their time, money and resources to those less fortunate than themselves. They humble me, the muslims giving food to the homeless and breaking down the barriers they face as 1st / 2nd / 3rd generation English people for example. The non-believers who do the same work, or who join them and those like them because it is the right thing to do.
We have far more homes than there are homeless. 'Scum' landlords care nothing for the plight of others, and cram 20 people into a house that can barely fit 2.5 adults. All for the ยฃยฃ.
We all pull together. We ALL face hard times, and we all need a 'hand up' when things are physically, emotionally or mentally incredibly hard. As a society we try our best to ensure there is a safety net for all of us should we fall. Sadly, as said above, chronic underfunding is killing the ability to provide these services. 'Killing' is the correct word - people are literally dying because of our government, and they do not seem to care.
I think you can see, or rather better to say I can very much hope you see that this is not an attack on the USA.
I love America's principles, optimism, charm, and all of it's positives that are embodied in it's core foundation - it's people.
It's government, institutions and lack of a support and encouragement for the mentality of a sense of societal 'family' - help others - these things I do not like so much.
I know on an individual scale, 99% of Americans go above and beyond to be good people.
I know 99% of the UK do the same.
I do wonder when or if our institutions will ever catch up with us, because until they do we can hardly, with a straight face and without shame, call ourselves '1st world societies'.
They're not inane, they're very well articulated and raise many excellent points that I struggle to put into words when I try to talk to people about it. All that ends up coming out of my mouth is THEY'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT MAKE THEM STOP, and well, that's not a great deal of help in the matter. I've saved your comment cos this answer is very good, and has some excellent talking points I can debate with people. Keep up the rambles friend! x
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate yourself mate, my only advantage is that I am old hence I have had a LOT of time to listen to very, very wise people, and learn from them.
Not that you asked, but because you remind me of me 2 decades ago, please keep in mind:
1) Debate - Your objective is not to 'beat' your opponent, it is to articulate an argument (that you hopefully truly believe in), which will at least present it to the audience in the best way you can.
2) Choose the hill you die on. I've 'debated' with close friends and because I was focused on Being Right, I pissed them right off.
I am absolutely certain you do not need me to tell you these things, so massive apologies if I am being patronising.
Take it steady and all the best! :)
P.S. - I am not certain how true this is, but the 'message' stands true for me. I'm sure you have heard it already:
'When the Oracle at Delphi was asked whom the wisest person was, her answer:
'Socrates is the wisest man, for he knows that he knows nothing'
I feel that is a compliment. I will never stop learning, that path leads to foolishness.
I will never judge the value of a 'lesson', based on the age of the person giving it to me. Despite being an old fuck, I fully recognise that wisdom comes from all ages and genders. Never be afraid in regards to knowledge, but certainly never, ever be prideful - that behavior is actively ignorant.
Dude how is geriatrics and elderly care bad in the UK? Care they get is amazing. Are you basing this off an anecdote?
I'm a doctor that works in geriatrics in a London hospital for reference.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a doctor that works in geriatrics in a London hospital for reference.
I have, as always managed to completely fail to communicate my point.
1) The funding for geriatric care is always the first to be cut when NICE have to make truly awful decisions - know that X amount of old people will suffer to ensure Y young people will not. Quality of life.
2) How many families just 'drop off' Mom and Dad once they become 'too much to handle'. Example - personal, intimate care if they are incontinent. Feeding, washing etc (I suppose I am more talking about 'nursing homes' here).
Children seem to forget exactly who did that for them once upon a time..
3) Staffing - The PR for hospitals know it gets less flack under-staffing a geriatric ward than say, childhood oncology. Massively over worked Doctors, nurses, nurse assistants, porters, cleaners etc.
Anyone choosing to work geriatrics in the NHS should be awarded a mandatory medal, especially with 'our friend' Jeremy Cunt at the helm.
My only source is my 4 Grandparents suffering and dying in geriatrics, and the staff were NOT the problem. They were truly wonderful.
It is absolutely certain that someone in your position knows far more, and can cite far more than my anecdotes to prove a point. Sincerely, please correct me. I only have anecdotal and the news for my source.
Thank you for choosing geriatrics, it cannot be 'easy' in any sense.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your insight. I admire your passion, and it's good to know we're not alone. Take care.
Hey man, there are some really great places to live in a lot of other third-world countries too...as long as you can afford it. If not, then basically the system says fuck you.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Granted, there are no 3rd world Countries in the above, that are 'greater' than the US and UK, and the US is six places above the UK, but I think you need to study all of the indices that indicate a base - quality of life, and decide from there.
I would love to provide this in an easily palatable table, but I'm very tired right now, If you find a reputable source please share.
I think my question for my government would be: 'What are those 15 Countries doing better than the UK, and how do you plan to get there?'
If I were to guess it's because of the cost. It already costs quite a bit to house inmates and if the state were to improve conditions it would cost even more. Probably wouldn't be as big of a problem if we weren't so quick to lock so many people up
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We're significantly behind the rest of the "first world" on healthcare, human rights, drug laws, safety from police force, prison effectiveness, and societal appreciation for its fellow countrymen.
Here we are. Might as well enjoy it.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:41:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the bigger problem here is humanization of criminals in these comments.
Barafu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:56:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Judge Dredd, you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
vaper_22 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell us more?
IssaLlama ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 17:51:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its filthy. Like disgusting filthy. Decades of shit, piss, blood, semen are caked on everywhere. The food (if you're given any at all. Took me 3 days to get something) is rotten and contaminated with roaches, rat droppings, dirt, mold. Getting beaten or abused by the power hungry all black staff is a daily occurrence for anyone not fully black. Id hear people begging for their insulin, meds, water, clothes. They weren't given things until it was the last possible second. (Diabetics would often not be fed more than 1 meal and would not get their insulin for a week) i heard someone screaming bloody murder. I guess the correctional officers tied another man to a shower and turned the water onto scalding. If they died or faced permanent injury from the tortures, the co would say it was self inflicted. I asked what time it was once, and got hog tied and kicked in my stomach while pregnant. When i started bleeding, they called in a psych dr to say i induced the abortion. He 100% didn't believe them, but i don't think there was much help could do to stop any of it. I recieved no medical care, they threw a crumpled ball of tp on the filthy floor and told me to use that
Holy fuck I need to see this on new york times like, this year. This is some underworld shit.
IssaLlama ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:10:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There have been stories on it... But not many. They let a journalist in recently. But only to the "clean" parts. Its truly insane. I don't know how its still open. People seem to think what happened to me (and countless others ) is totally fine because jails in saudi arabia and shit are worse... id like to invite them to spend a month there and tell me how pleasant and uplifting their stay was...
Good god no. Could you imagine what inmates with bleach and astringent would/ could do? The cleaning crew had limited access. One of my cell mates "bribed" one for a little thing of bleach so we could clean the toilet
Care to elaborate? Iโve watched Louis Therouxโs Miami Mega Jail doc and was very interested in the whole situation.
IssaLlama ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:17:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was allowed in tgk. The newer booking facility. And when he was in dade, they limited him on what he was able to see. When i saw the nianthony martinez segment, i cringed. Yeah, he's a psycho. But they totally set that kid up to be victimized on purpose. They get joy in torturing the inmates. If you say 'stop' or ask for anything... you'll be punished. I was told to drink from the toilet when i asked for water. Problem was. My toilet looks like it had been backed up for a few months.... Like most. I spoke with a lawyer on my release and she was like "there's nothing you can really do. If you push it, they'll target you"
Unbelievably brutal. Never ceases to shock at how truly inhuman some pieces of the American experiment are. Kensington, West Baltimore, East NY, parts of New Orleans, Dade county, Kansas City, Detroit, Camden NJ, East St. Louis. This list could go on and on. The jails in these places must be some of the worst facilities imaginable. Rights donโt exist and brutality rules. Weird coincidence that all these areas have been legislatively segregated, underfunded and over policed for decades. Pretty obvious systematic subversion of minorities by federal, state and municipal governments. Not that theyโd ever admit to that.
If youโre comfortable speaking on it, Iโm interested in the reason you got locked up. Either way, hope youโre doing well in life.
It was such a huge case down here, if i gave any specifics, id give away my identity. I was 100% not guilty though. I was the wrong place at the wrong time and was the attempted scapegoat for some police corruption. They didn't think it through though. They thought i was some random girl. My attorney said that if i was, id 100% have been found guilty. Its a shame how truly awful law enforcement is here.
God damn I canโt even imagine. It seems to me law enforcement (and it ancillary components eg prosecutors/court officials) are most concerned with the conviction. If they can cobble together a good enough story, with a few shreds of circumstantial evidence, theyโll go for the kill. They want the crime stat cleared first and foremost. Scary stuff. Glad to hear you werenโt falsely convicted.
A public defender once told me that if everyone went to trial, the โjusticeโ system would be insolvent. It wouldnโt even be close. No way they could pay for or accommodate all of their cases going to trial. This is a huge reason why theyโll give you a โgoodโ plea deal. It goes something like โalright you can plead guilty to this charge and weโll give you time served or if you go to trial weโll go for the maximum penalty of your charge IF you lose at trial.โ Itโs often time served vs multiple years if the defendant loses.... they use their power to get people to capitulate. Nothing new really but itโs not about โjusticeโ itโs about manipulation predicated on fear.
Look into some of the jail situations in Arizona thanks to Joe Arpaio.
Literally kept people in cages outside without water in 100 degree heat. It was actual torture.
This wasn't even prison, it was jail.
I lived there, and my greatest fear was a parking ticket blowing away and getting a warrant or something, I was checking to see if I had a warrant every other week. Insanity.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:40:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that says a lot more about the shittiness of our municipal jails than it does to vindicate that evil fuckhead
I426Hemi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arpaio...
A lot of people out here support(ed) him because he was old school and got the job done. I know a couple people who went to tent city and they turned their shit around so they wouldn't have to go back.
Controversial, but effective.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:30:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cruel and unusual...
I426Hemi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying I agree or disagree with his practices. But one could argue "Ends justify means."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we are going on a redditorโs comment that inhumane treatment worked to prevent criminality. Not only is this incredibly unreliable but it also doesnโt eliminate criminality, it just shifts the responsibility on to the governmentโs hands instead of the citizenryโs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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I426Hemi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
40's, when racism was cool and women were just considered homemakers.
You guys do realize that you're talking about doing exactly the sort of things that Joie Arpaio did wrong, right?
dkf295 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:11:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is exactly how that sort of mentality starts. You draw a line and anybody that crosses it isnโt human and you can take out your sickest fantasies on them because itโs easier than seeing them as a (horrible) human being.
EDIT: Answer this, if it's what he deserves, then what is so bad about doing it?
You are making a statement that has an implication about the righteousness of future actions, you don't get to say that it's just words and therefore there's nothing that could possibly be wrong with it.
This was my experience in CA as well. I got tossed in county jail because of a god damn clerical error.
It was borderline torture the way we were kept. Sleep was basically denied because so many were packed in such a small horrid space that was never designed to hold more than a few people for more than a few hours. I too wondered how it could be legal, but America.
The dehumanization is real. Cops have to deal with some scummy people so they think of and deal with everyone on the other side as cattle.
The worst part was the boredom. Chat is all there is and if you're not the chatty type then you're fucked. I tried to meditate but it was impossible as was shitting when it's one room, one toilet and a throng of unfortunates all shoved together in a closet.
The prison clothes I got were a few sizes too large so they were uncomfortably comfortable.
Oh yeah and if you're shy welcome to the world of get naked, show us your spread asshole and cough!
The food was disturbing. Spontaneous violence is always a possibility. I saw a guy get hammered in the face with a milk carton because he was snoring.
A junky was bleeding all over the floor and kept picking at his scabs.
Even after the judge ordered my immediate release at 11am I wasn't let out til 6pm
All in all it was a very bad nightmare. 0/10 would not recommend.
They locked me in a paddy wagon for 12 hours in the sun with the heat on when i was arrested. No sleep for 2 days in booking at tgk. Smdh. A crackhead started masturbating in booking in front of everyone, while on her period and slapped a girl in the face with her bloody hand. (The chick was annoying af. In for a dui and kept talking about how rich her daddy was and she was going to sue everyone that was rude to her. Lol)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off and see what an actual piece of shit prison looks like before knocking moderately shitty ones.
IssaLlama ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:55:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dade is considered the worst institution in the entire country. Its worse than 3rd world jails ive seen. Until you've witnessed it first hand, i wouldn't discount the people that are coming forward about the horrendous conditions
Pasa_D ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 19:01:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This Jordanian guy I know described to me what prison was like in Jordan. I'm sure there are awful places in the US, but gotta remember that the Dade equivalent in other places aren't talked about at all.
IssaLlama ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make it right. This isn't the 'who has it worse' game. People are being tortured to death for small crimes and you're ok with it because you read something about a jail in another country? Are you insane?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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IssaLlama ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:18:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are loads of credible news stories and proven accounts of inmates being tortured to death or close to death.
Its filthy. Like disgusting filthy. Decades of shit, piss, blood, semen are caked on everywhere. The food (if you're given any at all. Took me 3 days to get something) is rotten and contaminated with roaches, rat droppings, dirt, mold. Getting beaten or abused by the power hungry all black staff is a daily occurrence for anyone not fully black. Id hear people begging for their insulin, meds, water, clothes. They weren't given things until it was the last possible second. (Diabetics would often not be fed more than 1 meal and would not get their insulin for a week) i heard someone screaming bloody murder. I guess the correctional officers tied another man to a shower and turned the water onto scalding. If they died or faced permanent injury from the tortures, the co would say it was self inflicted. I asked what time it was once, and got hog tied and kicked in my stomach while pregnant. When i started bleeding, they called in a psych dr to say i induced the abortion. He 100% didn't believe them, but i don't think there was much help could do to stop any of it. I recieved no medical care, they threw a crumpled ball of tp on the filthy floor and told me to use that
Here's a story of how corrections officers locked a schizophrenic inmate in a hot shower for nearly two hours, until it killed him.
Here's an article showing how mentally ill inmates are tortured, driven to suicide and killed by guards.
IssaLlama ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:38:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its honestly unbelievable how bad people are treated. An older woman died from not recieving insulin. You'd hear her begging. And when the nurse checked, she'd say the woman needed insulin. But the co would say no... she can wait. Psych patients would be taken abruptly off their meds, and would be locked into a single cell with someone white or small.
That's sickening. Even if you're against wanting prisons to be as "luxury" as they are in Scandinavian countries (which has shown that, time after time, rehabilitation over retribution nets better results), it's absolutely ludicrous that people are defending inmates actually being tortured.
I love America, but sometimes it just seems like a fucking third world country.
Obviously they aren't supposed to be resorts. But all this does is make criminals harder criminals. "Don't do the crime" uh. Even if i did did the crime (i was 100% innocent) i dont think being kicked in the stomach to the point of losing the baby is proper punishment for possessing a bag of 'suspect narcotics'. Being scalded and Maimed isn't appropriate rehabilitation for indecent exposure. This needs to change. 20 men shouldn't be crammed into a cell designed to hold 10, given 1k calories a day, and have no access to clean water.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:34:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'll learn to hate America, they are barely a country worth the title of first world when one looks at how incredibly corrupt and inequal they are.
Pasa_D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who said it was right? This isn't a fight. Keep calm.
And we are also objectively terrible in the way "we" (I didn't vote for this shit and oppose it) treat all our citizens because our government doesn't follow the Constitution and in fact completely ignores and circumvents it at every opportunity.
Somehow, the situation prisoners face is not so bad.
Take it from me. The situation prisoners in the United States are dealing with right now is often barbarous at worse and inhumane at best
IssaLlama ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:41:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think being scalded to death while hogtied to a pipe is pretty bad. Or getting beaten to the point of miscarriage. Or being refused medication you need. Or being starved almost to death. Raped daily, stabbed, beaten, stripped.
The parts he's in are the same... he wasnt shown the 9th or anything like it. The crowded cell is accurate. But i don't think it captured any of the brutality the staff inflicts or the severity of the illnesses.
I didnโt even realise there was a 9th really I just assumed 6th was the highest. The crowded cell and the way the cells seem to work, at least in the documentary, honestly terrify me even though I donโt live anywhere near. The staff honestly seemed so nice, I suppose they may have been for cameras. What did they do if you donโt mind me asking? It does sound truly awful though.
9th is psych. They threaten people with it. Did 4 days there. Almost killed myself. The staff are not at all like the documentary. If you're torturing people, are you going to do it on camera?
Which house did you go to? Brooklyn and the Bronx are by far the worst thing I've ever dealt with, I've done time in Beaumont, TX and it wasn't that bad. I even got bagged in the Hamptons and that was a fucking cake walk.
They ended up realising my id wasnt decent. So they sent me to some place in bronx. Im trying to recall the name of it, but cant for the damn life of me it was so long ago. they all have some innocuous tampon like names like willowbrook, bridgecreek, rosewood when they're for under age. It was like a giant room with bunkbeds everywhere. Its so strange. Me 15 years ago to me now is night and day. People always say "your past doesn't define you" yes it does. I realized that i didn't want that life, so i changed it . It doesn't mean it never happened. Me going to dade shouldn't have happened. I honestly did 0 wrong. Was just the wrong color/ gender at the wrong time. With the wrong officer.
Edit. Ill look up the name tomorrow. I ended up being transferred to Jersey after a month to a place in camden. That was nice as hell. I even got to take a shower and a shit with no one else in the room with me.
IssaLlama ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a pissing contest. Im not going to try out every horrible jail in the country because a bunch of idiots online think me getting beaten inti miscarriage and people being scalded and starved to death isn't bad enough for them. Smdh. Slither home, snake.
Look at the ruthlessness in /u/Issallama's reply to me, do you think I'm surprised she got the shit beat out of her, or that her poor decision making skills got her jail time as an expecting mother?
Furthermore, I doubt Miami is even that bad, the people who run their mouths in jail get their teeth knocked in all over the country, probably the case here in this overly exaggerated sob story.
Was innocent. Was found innocent. Didn't get my teeth knocked in. The other inmates actually enjoyed my company. Its not a sob story. Its what life is like for inmates in dade. You're just mad you had your bullshit called and feel the need to 'save face' by acting like you're hard.
Lol, you're just butthurt and lashing out about the thought of your experience being anything less than the worst thing on earth in the worst place on earth... not sure what you mean "called out your bullshit" and "acting hard" lmao
Just because worse jails exist in the world... doesn't mean you need to downplay the severity of treatment of inmates at dade. You can speak on your incarceration in your own thread
[deleted] ยท 12534 points ยท Posted at 12:36:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ashyniqqa ยท 1076 points ยท Posted at 15:08:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DataRapist beats up normal rapist
johno456 ยท 776 points ยท Posted at 16:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
jpucci00 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:56:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll call my agent, pondered the prosperous scribe. He reached for the telephone using one of his two hands. โHello, this is renowned author Dan Brown,โ spoke renowned author Dan Brown. โI want to talk to literary agent John Unconvincingname.โ
People like that should just get the death penalty. Rapists, shooters, and people who just enjoy harming people should be hung, anyone who's trying to cause harm like that just for their own sick twisted desires deserve to just be killed so they're not taking taxpayer money to keep them locked up. Rope is only a few bucks.
Not only that but it helps rid the gene pool of psychos. I would absolutely enjoy a good old public execution. Especially for a child molester.
rahtin ยท 765 points ยท Posted at 14:50:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the most basic primal human instincts. I doubt there was much of a "choice" to regret. As long as he was still able to move under his own power, every reptile part of your brain viewed him as a direct, present threat to your child. That's not something you can really turn on and off at will.
zoarilamb ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 15:01:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Defending your DNA is universal. In some cases like you suggested, it's easier to just spam your DNA (which is also defending your DNA)
61um1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said anything about DNA. I said mammals more often aggressively defend their young.
SoulLord ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:21:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it would be more functions of the mid brain as they include fear anger hate and maternal love the lizard brain controls more basic functions like breathing heart rate and regulating temperature
Valdrax ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:11:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a mostly discarded way of looking at the organization of the brain according to what components are shared with our evolutionary ancestors. The "reptile" brain was the part of yourself responsible for instinctual fight or flight or dominance behaviors, and the term has outlasted the idea's scientific credibility in popular speech.
โLizard brainโ or โreptilian brainโ is used as a euphemism for the brain stem - the part of our brains that control automatic processes like breathing and heart rate (because itโs very similar to the entirety of a lizard brain) as well as our more basic emotions and survival instincts.
When someone says they were using their โlizard brainโ they mean they were acting on intense instinct rather that thinking clearly.
The cerebellum is in some ways more of a glorified part of your spinal cord than your brain. If it had a slogan, it would be "shoot first, ask questions later." Well, that and "when in doubt, poop your pants." Results may vary.
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That remorseless, unthinking part of your brain. Like the part of it that controls your breathing and your heart rate. It just happens.
Your amygdala is referred to as the reptile brain. It's the gut instinct/emotion center.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the "primitive" part of the brain, the first part to evolve, and a structure that we share with less advanced organisms. It deals with survival-level processes like threats, fear and so on and isn't good at being used for problem-solving or lateral thinking.
I agree, but it's different for a single parent verses a team.
My daughter's father died when she was 12, and I've never remarried and am not dating.
The short version is that she was raped in my house at the age of 14. I was in the other room (bastard closed and locked the door while I was in another room, they were not alone, but her female "friend" sort of planned it)
My daughter started screaming, and the guy was all "I didn't touch her!"
I knew he'd done something. However, my reptile brain said "get rid of asshole, bring baby to hospital" I threw the kid out of my house and immediately brought her to the hospital.
In reflection, I think it's because I knew I was the only one responsible for her at the moment, and I didn't want to go to jail myself for killing an asshole.
Strange thing too, afterward at home, reptile brain took over again. She had some better friends over to console her. One friend was going into a closet for a blanket. My daughter started crying because she was in pain. I literally shoved the friend into the closet on my way to get aspirin for my daughter. Reptile brain said "baby hurt, fix baby!"
Asshole was 18, so he was charged with statutory rape supported with DNA evidence and is in jail. My daughter's report helped another girl to come forward.
You are just civilized person.
My psychology professor told this: the level of civilization is defined by the time interval between the trigger and reaction.
Some would murder on the spot and would spend years locked up while being proud how good a father they are despite doing zero good for the kid; others, like you understand what responsibility means.
I always thought I was in some form of control until I experienced this the first time.
Only happened twice but hoo man, when someone becomes a threat to the ones you love... it takes over.
rahtin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:09:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was driving with a co-worker once, and the roads were really icy and we were on his kid's bus route. He made me drive 10 minutes out of our way to make sure the bus wasn't in the ditch. He kept going off about how he was ready to throw every other kid out of the way and step on them to get to his kid.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the reason why playing dead with a grizzly works. Movement means you are still a threat to their cubs/food/territory... And you'll be dealt with until you stop moving.
Except for some of the crocodilians reptiles don't form social bonds, don't form pair bonds, don't even care for their young, it's not in them to love, so NOT the reptile part of your brain.
Good on you. As a dad with three boys, I know without a doubt I would do the exact same thing. They would have to pull me off of the guy or he would be dead. You don't fuck with my kids.
Kthulhu42 ยท 704 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My son just turned four, came home from kindy the other day and said that they other kids locked him outside and called him a baby because he cried when he couldn't get in.
Called his teachers and spoke to them, gave him cuddles, spaghetti toasties for dinner.. Then after he was sleeping in bed I went outside and cried and hacked the shit out of the hedge in the backyard that needed a trim.
Those kids aren't even five yet but for bullying my son I just wanted to punch them. And then I feel like a dick for having those thoughts..
You are not alone dude and it is totally normal. My wife was helping at my eldest kids school and saw my son eating with friends, when the rest got up and moved to another table. She wanted to go all mommy mode since she didn't want him to eat alone but resisted. We asked him about it at hime and he was fine. They wanted to go sit with another friend and my son was like, "Nah, I'm good here finishing my food. I'll catch up later." Parental instinct is crazy but not always necessary. It is cool seing them grow up and handle stuff on their own.
dekker87 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it is.
I got school and prison a little mixed up when my boy started pre-school.
'don't take any shit...pick a fight with the biggest and make sure you win...don't do favours for anyone and don't take favours for you from anyone...just keep your head down and do your time'
he'd only been there a few weeks when my wife and I were waiting for him outside the school one day...we're chatting to another couple we knew whose kid was also there...
teacher comes out and explains to our friends that there's been an incident and their son was hurt in an incident with another kid...she cant tell us the name as not allowed.
my wife starts being herself...telling our friends how outraged she is with that and how the kid who did it should be ashamed.
can you see where this is going?
I could sense it.
next thing our friends kid comes out with a plaster on his head.
then our little angel comes bounding out shouting 'daddy daddy I hit the bully with a lump of wood...just like you said!!'
smdh.
they're best friends these days so I guess it all worked out well but it was a little awkward at the time.
Yeah, my dad gave me the same advice when I was 6 and I ended up blacking out and attacking this girl who bullied me. I got sent home for knocking her over and trying to hit her with a rock. Good parenting or not? I don't know, but even the class psychopath stopped messing with me after that.
eazolan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'M the top psychopath now!
dekker87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm guessing you're female. i'm a man.
I moved schools when I was around 7 or so...got bullied a little by an older kid...told my dad whose responsible advice was to 'hit them on the nose as hard as you can'.
so I did.
this girls nose literally exploded across her face...teachers called parents into school and I got punished.
and my dads response was 'you don't hit girls!!'
only just realised the similarities between that and my sons situation.
Sounded good to me too, so I looked it up. Butter bread on one side, add Left-over spaghetti (or spaghetti 'Os) and cheese on unbuttered side, slap another slice of bread on top and butter it, place in sandwich press or grill in a pan.
TheDranx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A grilled cheese consists of only these following items. Cheese. Bread with spread (usually butter). This entire subreddit consist of "melts". Almost every "grilled cheese" sandwich i see on here has other items added to it. The fact that this subreddit is called "grilledcheese" is nothing short of utter blasphemy. Let me start out by saying I have nothing against melts, I just hate their association with sandwiches that are not grilled cheeses. Adding cheese to your tuna sandwich? It's called a Tuna melt. Totally different. Want to add bacon and some pretentious bread crumbs with spinach? I don't know what the hell you'd call that but it's not a grilled cheese. I would be more than willing to wager I've eaten more grilled cheeses in my 21 years than any of you had in your entire lives. I have one almost everyday and sometimes more than just one sandwich. Want to personalize your grilled cheese? Use a mix of different cheeses or use sourdough or french bread. But if you want to add some pulled pork and take a picture of it, make your own subreddit entitled "melts" because that is not a fucking grilled cheese. I'm not a religious man nor am I anything close to a culinary expert. But as a bland white mid-western male I am honestly the most passionate person when it comes to grilled cheese and mac & cheese. All of you foodies stay the hell away from our grilled cheeses and stop associating your sandwich melts with them. Yet again, it is utter blasphemy and it rocks me to the core of my pale being. Shit, I stopped lurking after 3 years and made this account for the sole purpose of posting this. I've seen post after post of peoples "grilled cheeses" all over reddit and it's been driving me insane. The moment i saw this subreddit this morning I finally snapped. Hell, I may even start my own subreddit just because I know this one exists now.
You god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.
boogie414 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My exact feeling when i witnessed my son, then only 3, being bullied by two 5 year olds on the playground. I don't feel bad about feeling the hate for those kids. Little bastards.
Some tweens were playing at the park by our house and my son was maybe 2 years old and I watched this little girl grab another boy and shove him at my son while yelling hit the baby the boy looked mortified and tried to avoid him. I'm not one for violence but I wanted to beat that girls ass, and I told her she was lucky I didn't bend her over my knee and whoop her ass like her mom should. That when I realized the park was dead silent and I had every person watching me. I'm glad her mom wasn't there or if she was she let it go. My husband was like uhhhh we need to leave now
High five! I'd be lying if i said i wouldn't do the same thing and I'd be an even bigger lier if i said i still won't do it if the occasion were to arise. What the hell is wrong with some kids? Two 5 year olds ganged up on my son at the park and it look everything in me not to absolutely lose my shit on them. Mostly because their yuppy cunty mothers were there...not paying attention btw to their evil spawn. Next time i don't think I'll hold it in.
Yeah that makes it beyond unacceptable! I'm actually speachless that a kid that old would be so nasty to pretty much a baby. Wtaf? I'm telling you they start young though.
That's true it's disturbing. But all we can do is hope
We raise our kids right.
Alco111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly because they are not very old that shit like this happens. Don't get me wrong, what happened to your kid is terrible and should not be tolerated, but your best weapon is to try and understand. Kids that age have not yet developed the part of the brain that controls responses such as sympathy. That's why it is the adults job at kindy to correct that behavior and explain why it is not acceptable. Sadly it is part of a small humans development phase, experimenting and trying things, including bullying. But you have to believe when I say that kids that age most likely just don't know any better and does not yet have the capability to understand what they are doing is wrong. I'm not trying to diminish what happened to your son just consider that it might not be the kids that are to blame but evolution. And later in life, bad parenting
Dad of two here. I have learned there is absolutely no point in getting mad at five year olds for anything they do. They don't have any self awareness yet. They really don't know why they do anything. Sorry your kid got hurt, but he'll be ok. He'll take his cues about how to deal with this from you.
off topic and i'm not a parent but what can you do if your child is being bullied? usually when i read threads i put myself in the shoes of the person and try to figure a way that i would respond to it but with your situation i don't know what to do
With kids so young it's best to talk to the teachers and get them to facilitate better compassion and understanding between children. They have to figure things out between themselves, so the teachers won't usually intervene unless someone is getting hurt, but will for instance, unlock the door and get everyone together to discuss how it would make you feel etc or whether it is nice to exclude someone.
Why am I crying right now? Fuck. I'm sorry man. My son's not quite that old, but just the thought breaks my heart.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's really strange to read. My dad would have just told me to suck it up and stop whining. I love my dad, he's not an uncaring person, but when you're a kid, you gotta learn that you can't go whining to mommy and daddy because the other kids are teasing you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people feel that way until they have a kid, or a niece/nephew and it happens to them.
edit 1: downvotes, seriously? Probably parents with kids who deserve to be punched
edit 2: okay this is getting out of control. Have you really not met a child you would like to punch?
edit 3: maybe I came off a little strong. I want to be clear, I don't want to or like to punch children. Only a small percentage of children deserve to be punched
edit 4: wow you guys are a bunch of JSW's
edit 5: the downvote button is not a disagree button you sheeple!
edit 7: This is why I hate reddit. You people really make me want to punch a small child.
labrev ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you getting rapid response DMs or something? Your post has been up for 20 minutes with 7 edits but no replies.
Yeah! Why do you people give things names that like men?! Wait, that doesn't make sense.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
US is not commonwealth though genius. .
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it pretty much is. Anglo-sphere would be better. Besides, thatโs not the point you damned fool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your point doesn't matter because what you said makes no meaningful point anyway.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it does, you just donโt agree that โlooโ โfairy breadโ โspaghetti toastiesโ โrooty tooty pointy shootyโ are extremely ridiculous and stupid terms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a father of two boys, I understand where you're coming from, but you're going to have to toughen up a bit if you want to survive your kid's growing up. I also don't recommend raising your son to be a total softie if you want him to make it through adolescence. What you described is nothing compared to the knocks that come later in life, and is actually pretty normal kindergarten behavior. Most of those "bullies" will learn empathy over time; some learn it sooner than others, of course. Only a small percentage never learn it.
But wanting to punch them is definitely an overreaction.
Ehalon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those kids aren't even five yet but for bullying my son I just wanted to punch them. And then I feel like a dick for having those thoughts..
ACTUALLY punching 5 year-olds is of course wrong.
Being angry and upset for some amorphous beings hurting your child mentally and pysically, and wanting to do something to prevent and punish is absolutely fine IMO. You beat crap out of a bush, not children who bullied.
I'm no psychatrist but I think having those thoughts is totally normal. Acting as you did (by not acting on them) is perfectly healthy. One internet weirdo agrees with you, that settles the matter! :D
A grilled sandwich, containing cheese, canned spaghetti, sausage..
They're my sons favorite comfort food. When I have them I prefer cheese, shredded chicken, sweet chilli sauce.. maybe some fresh spinach.
They're made in a thing similar to a waffle iron, that presses the edges of the bread together so the filling is in a kind of pocket. You can get them pretty much anywhere in NZ.
TXDRMST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the neighbour kids spat on my chemo-riding son while he was at school.
He got up, chased the kid, tackled him, held him down and hocked a loogie in his face.
We were called, the other parents were called. We walked into the headteacher's office, sat down, told her that there had better not be any action against our kid, took him for ice cream.
The other kid's parents didn't say shit, moved house a couple months later. At school, their kid won't go near my kid at all. I guess he learned not to fuck with him.
Deravi_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good parent. But please dont use "kindy" with adults
nudista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a parent of two boys same age, I would want to bitch slap those kids SO hard. Defo can relate to crying in anger instead.
Hearing that story I want to punch those asshole kids too. I don't even know you and I get so freaking mad thinking about that. Sounds like you did the mature thing and that boy is lucky to have you!
Dredly ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse when its girls bullying your kid because your kid is to much of a decent human being to beat the fuck out of them for being little cunts...
Ragnrok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Punch them! It'll be awesome!
beyerch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you. We some issues with our youngest at the Catholic school. Not kids, but a teacher. Took a lot of restraint to not hurt someone.
Personally I'm of the "you fuck with my family I fuck with yours" school of thought. Don't want to find grandma's bits in 6 different dumpsters? Keep your hands to yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The pain wouldn't last long if someone tried that with one of my kids. I don't CCW because I like the way it compliments my waist size, I carry it so I can protect me and mine.
I canโt say this for sure, as Iโve never been in the situation and hopefully never will be, but I have kids and canโt imagine a scenario where I wouldnโt literally kill the scum. Without even necessarily intending to
The guy probably did deserve it, but I'm surprised to learn some court buildings in the country don't check everyone who comes in for weapons like they do here.
My only concern with responding immediately with violence is that there could be a misunderstanding in the situation. Like that guy in Florida who beat the shit out of the guy who was walking his unattended 3 year old around trying to find the kid's parents. Dad assumed the stranger was a predator and beat the shit out of him.
Numerous witnesses confirmed the guy was just trying to help. But that didn't stop the guy from blasting his victim's info all over the web calling him a child molester.
pdxchris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy in Texas was beat to death by a mob because they thought he was trying to run people over with his car. They beat up the wrong guy.
No, I'm pretty sure that was the best possible option. Even if you intended to kill him then and there I can't say you'd be in the wrong.
I'm a positive person, I like to believe in rehabilitation, but forgiveness is a luxury, not a given.
labrev ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's not right to take the law into your hands. Apprehending the guy then letting the police sort it out would have saved him from going to jail.
How did this all go down? What did he do? I have kids myself and I know how important it is to protect them.
jg87iroc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The dad instincts are absolutely incredible; truly a work of art by evolution. I have never experienced anything that serious but once when I was walking in the woods with my 4yr old this very large and aggressive dog came sprinting towards us teeth showing and barking. I have never experienced the following mindset in my life. It wasnโt fight or flight; I have been in a lot of stupid situations in my youth that would deliver huge shots of fight or flight, and this was very different(though it has to be grounded in it I would assume) It was like a calmness came over me and the world didnโt exist. Just me and the dog. He stopped running but stood growling 5 feet away. He went to bark and I guess I screamed, in an authoritative way, itโs almost hard to remember. We did this dance for several minutes of him trying to see if he could gain additional ground towards me but every time I meet his advances with aggression and finally he slightly lowered his head and walked away. Anyway, itโs not my actions that make it such an amazing experience, itโs that it felt like my deep recesses of evolution took over, I wasnโt thinking about anything at all, the least not what I was going to do. It was just this total zen blankness or pure action and reaction. Afterwards my body was completely loose and calm and I had a normal heart rate. It sounds a lot like fight or flight, because of course on some level it is, but it was so different that it felt totally foreign. Did you experience anything like that? Did you feel emotion after the initial hit that Iโm sure came once you saw the situation?
As a father, in that situation violence is really expected. He knew if he was caught by a parent he was gonna catch a beating. I donโt even know why you were arrested.
z64dan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The more dead he is, the less he can take your kid. Pretty simple.
I am glad you can go to bed at night knowing you protected your family when the action called for it, even risking going to prison. You can call yourself a real role model.
I donโt know why you got charged at all. If a parent tells me someone was walking off with their kid and they answered with violence Iโd chalk that up as price of admission.
You try to take someoneโs kid you get your ass beat.
I would have gotten statements from you and your wife and maybe had an SVU detective do a forensic interview on your child.
I ainโt charging a parent protecting his kid. No way.
That said, I hope you fucking wrecked that dude.
EDIT: Lol reddit. Guess yaโll hate cops more than you like that one is upset that a dad who kept his kid from being abducted was put in jail.
bdubbs09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of everyone (I hope), a sincere thank you.
I am very alarmed by all these responses. I can only assume you are mostly americans.
Edit: I will let it stand so everyone can see, but I definetely regret the last comment about americans. That is no way to start a constructive debate.
I understand the impulse, but condoning beating someone without inhibitions is just uncivil. The point of courts is to decide these things fairly. As others have pointed out, what if it was a misunderstanding?
The police has a monopoly on violence (that is not self defense) for a reason.
As I said, i definetely understand the impulse, and do think it should be taken into consideration under sentencing, but it completely undermines the rule of law.
I also said that I definetely understand the impulse.
But when we all have agreed on a foundation for society, that courts sentence and carry out punishment, that is something we all have a responsibility for, no matter what happens.
And can you please not use that argument, because it contributes nothing to the discussion other than trying to discredit me personally. Please respond to what I said if you disagree.
I maybe would have agreed with you before having kids. One of my first thoughts when holding my minute old baby was one of pure insanity. I'm looking around the room at nurses and doctors thinking if anyone tries to harm my baby I will end them all. I'm not and have never been violent. Something changes when you are holding your creation. This was primal, nothing that could be controlled by reason or rational thought. Society meant nothing to me in that moment.
You know, I really get it. Not really, because I have never felt it.
I am not judging this person. Personally, I also feel good reading about this person ยซgetting what they deserveยป.
What I have a problem with is the way everyone is cheering it. I agree that you should be judged differently, even in many cases be completely excempt from all charges. But it is not a good thing to do, and I think we should aknowledge that.
I get what youโre saying and I do agree to a point. For most things yes, let the police do their jobs. But as soon as someone becomes a threat to the safety of those around them (like trying to nab a kid, force someone to do something unwillingly, shoot up a crowd, etc) I think it should be the duty of the general populace to neutralize the threat if they have the capability because more damage can occur while waiting for law enforcement to show up.
I agree, and I am really sorry if i was not clear enough.
My problem is people cheering someone being beaten down, and also trivializing it. There is a difference between neutralizing someone and bashing them, and I feel like a lot of these comments are condoning bashing people if youre mad enough.
Did the guy physically grab your daughter and start carrying her away, or was he trying to be friendly and try to get her to come with him somewhere? I'm only asking cuz I get kinda paranoid about this kind of stuff. Like what are the signs someone is gonna make a pass at your kid? Sorry if this comes across as insensitive, I really don't mean it that way.
Nnnnnyeah he should have (just as the court system was right, in my opinion, to release him soon after). Police do have some leeway deciding who to arrest and who to let go free. (One situation where this often occurs is when there would be a cross-complaint and instead both parties decide not to press charges, which very obviously wasn't going to happen here.)
But for good reason, it's not up to a responding police officer to decide whether a man beating another man to death with his fists should go free because his fury was justified or the other guy deserved it.
pdxchris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That should be the only right reaction. Decades of research have shown that you canโt reform a pedophile. Euthanasia is the only proven method.
I wonder if you'd have gotten off if you had killed him? Because honestly if that happened I'd probably have shot him. I wouldn't shoot anyone unless they were trying to harm somebody I care about but in that case I think it's perfectly acceptable to end someone's life.
rbiqane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what exactly happened? Somebody just picked him up?
Was he mentally unstable? Confused? Was he talking to the kid first? Did he inappropriately touch him somehow? Being him into the bathroom and strip him down?
I find it hard to believe he got 10 years for picking up a person, making it a couple feet away, and not even exiting the store.
Holy shit id do the same thing in your situation. I have a 1.5 year old and we're expecting no. 2 soon (later this year).
If someone ever tried pulling that shit on my children you can bet theyd get more than just a stern talking to from my fist. The feet, knees and elbows would join in on the physical reprimand as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I was in your shoes, I would have done the exact same things. Luckily for the guy, people pulled you off. I would have a hard time not beating him to death or until both hands were sufficiently broken.
You 100% did the right thing (as I'm sure you know). Glad you got off so fast, but even if it came to trial I can't imagine any jury on earth would convict you for that.
Never believe anyone who says you aren't a hero for that. You saved the most important thing in your life and literally the scum of the earth was caught. You go on my hero list...... DataRapist....
calzenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have written this before...
The best way to flip the 'kill switch' in a human is to attempt to hurt their child. Right there several thousand years of civilized behaviour goes out the window and one turns into a psychotic chimp.
I've thought a lot about what went through Jon's mind when he stopped beating Ramsay and looked up to see Sansa watching him. Was it shame at his loss of self-control (being someone who greatly values discipline), or remembering her share of suffering and deciding to 'save some for her'? Sansa showing a darker side was cool but I feel conflicted about Jon acting with malicious intent.
Royal-Al ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidental username
ShinyAeon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not everyone would immediately respond with violence....
Who the fuck wouldn't? I don't get why you even get put in for a damn court date if a KNOWN sex offender tries to abduct your child. If someone tried to do that to my kid the least they are catching is a beating and the only reason they aren't getting killed is because I wouldn't want to get sent off to jail
As a parent you occasionally run yourself through these scenarios and DREAD the idea that it could ever happen. My son is my everything. It's crazy how quickly it can all get snatched away, just as it's easy to be incredibly paranoid. I don't fall into the latter category but it's hard not to that's for sure. It wasn't long ago i was reading about people stalking families in ikea of all places to snag up kids. I guess because that place becomes like a maze and before you know it the kid is in the wind. Insane.
mattylou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy's face would have been tartare by the time i was done with him, I'd drag his bleeding ass to the pantry aisle and pour salt into his wounds and still not feel vindicated.
Just to play Devil's Advocate here, OP's duty as a parent was to prevent their child from getting abducted.
Beating the would-be abductor after preventing said abduction has nothing to do with parental duty.
That being said, I would have probably done the same. I just wouldn't call it "my parental duty" to hand out an ass whupin. that would be more to fulfill primitive desires for revenge.
You should see a doctor, bro. You might have low testosterone. It would explain your aversion to violence.
If that was my kid I'd whip out my gun and fuck that guy right in his ass while everyone watches. He'd leaking cum all over the seats of the squad car like the fucking degenerate he is.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What, 47 whole minutes and no response? It's because you and I both know you have nothing to say. You're not willing to do what it takes to protect your loved ones from harm. Your kids probably aren't even yours anyway. Your wife makes you live in a shed while her boyfriend gets the master bedroom.
If you plan on having kids some day you should see a doctor bro. Even if you live in a shithole country where you can't afford one at least start lifting. After a few months of gains you'll be thinking like a healthy red-blooded male instead of a limp-wristed pussy who lets his loved ones come to harm. Trust me homeslice it's for your own good.
My sincerity scares me as I type this. I'm a father of two and I don't know if I would be able to stop the beating. Someone would most likely need to restrain me. I'm not a violent person and never have been but fatherhood does something to you. I have had this fear all my life. I have two daughters and if I ever find out that they were assaulted in anyway I'm frightened of what I would do. I've made my wife aware of my fears. I know the logical thing is to be there for my girls as much as humanly possible but I have this nagging feeling that I will track down their abuser and do something awful. I struggle with that every time I hear something on the news or read about an assault in the newspaper.
Is it that hard for you to imagine that there is an entire world of stuff happening? If the guy is lying... who cares. The point remains that any parent can relate to. You fuck with someone's kid like that, the parental instinct is to destroy that person. Try it out for yourself. Go up to some loving family and just call one of their kids an "ugly little fucking brat". I'd bet 9/10 times you end up if a fight and you didn't even threaten any real lasting harm to the kid.... but based on your reply I am betting you had another kind of parents.
How do I have proof that youโre you? I need some if Iโm to believe this comments real and not just some bot. You know this is the internet, right?
P.s. I bet youโre super fun at parties.
rahtin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that's just an actor right? That's Bryan Cranston, his name isn't Walter White and he doesn't have lung cancer. Moron.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it would be dumb if someone actually responded to Cranston like he was Walter White. No one portrayed BB as truth, like this comment is insinuating.
[deleted] ยท 1641 points ยท Posted at 16:36:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One more reason Market Basket is amazing. If that was at a walmart or similar he probably would have been fired.
For Redditors out of Market Basket's area, it's a budget grocery store that actually treats it's employees decently well. A couple years ago there was a coup that pushed out the down to earth CEO and installed someone who wanted to strip mine the brand. Staff and customers boycotted the chain, I've never seen the stores so empty. The good CEO regained control and things returned to normal.
How often do you see customers (especially at a budget brand) care enough to join a protest? It was wild.
Alblaka ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 17:44:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll memorize the name if I ever have to go shopping during a visit to the states. Gotta support those kind of companys.
I wonder why anyone even goes to the little market basket when the new fancy one is right up the road.
sgrmm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...and they have plans to build another huge one just up the road at the old Rockingham race track. Not sure if this new superstore will result in the closing of one or both of those smaller locations.
shminion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are in the south as well. Not the west coast though.
At the end of the day it's still just a cheap regional grocery store so don't expect too much, it's just nice to see a company treat its people well these days.
While Iโll admit thatโs technically true, I easily have more passion for Market Basket than any other chain business. Costco is the only other company I can think of thatโs comparable for me.
As someone who lived in Florida and moved to Massachusetts a few years ago, Publix beats it. Cool to hear that they take care of their employees though
It's great if you know how to cook without following a recipe - the produce there tends to rotate out based on what's available at good prices. If you want to make something specific that's out of season there's a chance you'll need to head somewhere else. If you are good at making substitutions or coming up with the recipe based on what's available - Market Basket is your place.
Yeah Market Basket employees and customers love Arthur T.
Humpsoss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went in one near Peabody, MA one morning hungover looking for something to eat......oh yeah that's right. I still have pictures of all the empty produce aisles.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The one on Endicott Street? I used to work there. Still see the same people workin there 10 years later. For being just a grocery store it's pretty nuts how many lifetime employees they got.
Travy93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work there now lol
Humpsoss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the one, it was the closest and the one we always went to from 2011-2015. Crazy seeing it empty when it was always packed. Great prices, insane customers lol.
Gus_B ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love Market Basket place is awesome. Always funny seeing local places here on Reddit. If you're into BBQ and you don't have a Costco or are in a BBQ Desert (like MA) their butchers are awesome and will get you exactly what you need if you ask.
I couldn't love Market Basket any more than I already do. I'm well outside the area where any of their stores are but as a former employee with family and friends who work there, they have my loyalty whenever there's one nearby.
They take such good care of all employees between pay, bonuses, profit sharing and time off. Even caring about sick relatives they've never met. The end result of the protests still gives me goosebumps.
One thing I learned that was very interesting is that they avoid debt by owning the entire property where their stores are. If anyone saw The Founder, this was a big point they made in a turning point in strategy.
I'll take any opportunity I can to gush about this company. They are great to their customers and employees and still turn a hefty profit. I wish more would follow their model.
I mean it's fine for a supermarket I guess. I'm not going to lie though I worked there for two years and absolutely fucking hated it, most miserable two years of my life. There seems to be this myth that everyone who works there enjoys their job, and it isn't at all true in my experience. I'm sure it's a bit different for full-time managers, but lower level associates tend to only enjoy it marginally more than being unemployed.
Completely understand what you're talking about; I quit working there before I even graduated college. My friends that are still there have turned down a couple of offers to go the manager route. They told me that then it meant that then they were there forever.
It's super easy to set my own realty. The day that my hours were cut at a different company, I saw my MB friends and they were complaining on the day they got a semi-annual guaranteed bonus. They think I've got it made behind a desk all day, I can't imagine year-round great healthcare and profit sharing. Completely 'grass is always greener'.
Hope you've moved onto bigger and better but still go grocery shopping there because you can't beat those prices.
Oh yeah, MB is my favorite- I drive farther to buy from them than the stop and shop down the road, their selection, ESPECIALLY produce, and prices are way better. They don't always bag my stuff correctly but I still love it.
A note- I was in college during that strike/boycott and worked at a competing supermarket while I was home. Never seen the store that busy!
I'm from Nj so we don't have Market Baskets. But a few years ago, I was driving to Maine. We pulled off the highway for a bathroom stop for my kids and ended up at a Market Basket. It was during this protest and everything was so eerie. We asked one of the protesting employees to explain a little bit, but she didn't do the greatest job. Now I feel like an ass for shopping there. (But the 4 year old had to pee, so it was what it was.)
Growing up with Market Basket my family saw Trader Joes as the expensive hippy option. It blew my mind that Trader Joes is the cheap option in other states. (Worked in Vermont and Michigan, I've heard that's true in New York and New Mexico too.
It's very true in Manhattan, not so much most other places. It's the only place with low prices I can find. I wish there was a Stop & Shop down here like there was when I lived in the Bronx.
yep i used to work there and had a lot of friends still working there during the protests. its not the most glamorous job but they respect the work you put in. seems like one of the few places left these days that someone with no education could start part time and end up making a career of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Walmart would have fired him...because there are a bunch of stupid protocol shit and he still would have assaulted a customer. To be completely the only way you wouldn't be fired for fighting a customer if it was self-defense or there is a shooter in the building
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I vaguely remember that case. Reminded me most of that time Krispy Kreme tried to change its recipe and the fans revolted. You don't mess with brands that people love.
"We want Market Basket associates back to work and reiterate that they can return without fear of penalty."
LMAO how generous "we have ousted your boss but we won't fire you yet if you come back from protesting"
notnAP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like most people in northeast Massachusetts, market basket/demoulas was my first job. Still shop there today and always have, except during the boycott.
Is that an observation of cleverness, a guess at my name, or some coded bs? I knew a Wiley, but then he started sexting a minor and got his ass arrested.
CheroCole ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just say โold manโ!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:03:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why yes, yes it is. Why? Because in the living memory of some of us, he might not have been treated so well. Even if that weren't the case, it helps us create an image in our mind.
Let's take the "don't say black man" argument to its absurdist conclusion. Just say person. For all we know, it was an 11 year old blonde white girl who was really good at Tae Kwon Do and took him down.
That he was old is relevant because it makes taking that sort of action riskier (more serious consequences of injury, less likely to be able to overpower the other person), and because he retired afterward (that'd be weird for someone in their 20's or even 40's to do).
That he was a man also illustrates the situation: given our different average physiques, a woman engaging in the same action would likely have been at greater risk of injury to her person than a man. In fact, to your point, if an eleven-year-old girl took out the attacker, that would be a totally different story that's interesting for completely different reasons -- but again, her being blonde and white really doesn't add anything unless there's something specific and contextual that makes those details add to the story.
That he was black seems totally immaterial to this story. It doesn't inform his motive or his stakes, and doesn't really have anything to do with how he was treated or what people thought of him, even if there was a time when black people were treated worse (which we're not here talking about and OP didn't mention).
If OP added some detail like, "his manager was a terrible racist but after that day treated him with much more respect and rethought his views," perhaps there would be some sort of relevance, but without that, no, it just seems like it's immaterial to the story. So it raises the question: what about his race, specifically, made OP think it was important to include and so obvious it didn't need further explanation?
Just gotta ask, what part of this story does the black man's race come into play? Does mentioning he's black make the story better? Or is it a needless detail you felt obligated to include for some reason?
Because I didn't see you mention the sheriff's, the manager's, the little boy, or the abductor's race. Just...uh...wondering what you thought mentioning that one character out of 5 was black would do for your story. That's all. Just curious.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was this old black man
Race matters..why?
I'm going to sound like a complete dick, I'm not trying to be just asking but hey ho - I realise it looks bad.
Thanks for sharing your story, it was nice to read :)
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Ehalon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I personally have never seen a problem with that:
Me - Me
W - My wife
Me: 'You can finally say hello to Ben, over there in that group'.
X: 'Which one of that group is Ben?'
Me: 'The tall, black guy'
That could be - Blonde, short, red shirt with no sleeves.
I don't see a problem, it is a descriptor as you said. I only pointed it out because it didn't seem to need a descriptor but hey, I wasn't there!
Cheers :)
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Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mehhh it's no great problem mate. We are ALL pattern recognition creatures, and if you are non-black yourself (or even if so), then it is possible the skin colour of the Security Hero holds more meaning for you.
Again, we all think like this.
The Alien Hand shows Racial Bias study proves this. In binary and brief, both white and black people feel more empathy to a clearly alien skin tone than to a human skin tone which is different to their own (we can assume this extends to all folks, South and East Asian, Aboriginal, Native etc).
I wish I could find the original study, but I'm sooo tired.
I absolutely am NOT calling you a racist. I just found it interesting that you specified skin colour when there was no reason to - something I have been very guilty of myself.
Without becoming an 'SJW Snowflake', I believe it is worth noticing and amending our 'words' in this way.
Anyway, thank you for being so polite and receptive to my rambling, and all the best X.
I've always wondered how other prisoners learn of your crime that quick. I mean eventually they will hear it on news, but how do they already know while he is being booked?
Yeah as someone who's been arrested twice and also previously worked in a prison as a CO, there is no reason the other inmates should know what he did. I'm not necessarily calling B.S. on the guy's story, not every jail is the same, but it definitely raised a red flag. The officers aren't announcing what you did to other inmates at intake.
For a company with such legendarily bad IT (i.e., the credit card debacle), Target's asset protection division is no joke. I have no doubt that they had the ability to follow both of you on video from arrival in the parking lot all the way up to the police carrying you both off the property, from multiple camera angles with slow-motion playback like an NFL replay. You surely had everything you needed to be exonerated from any wrongdoing.
morosco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:37:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should have been notified for every hearing, and about the plea agreement before it was entered into. Every state has some kind of victim right statute that requires that type of notification. It's actually kind of shocking that that wouldn't happen in a child abduction case - prosecutor's offices have victim witness coordinators whose only job is to support and keep the victim notified throughout the entire process.
EAPSER ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:32:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did he just try and grab your kid? Man as a new father this is terrifying.
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Pat2424 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why does target to the extra mile on security? Surely the cost of implementing and running a superb security system drastically outweighs the cost of stolen product. Is there a second reason they want a high standard of security?
So what they do is centralize their security. Instead of having decent security at hundreds of Targets they have a world class base that handles the security for all of the Targets in the US. By pooling resources they can dispatch teams to problem areas with vastly more resources then other wise would be available.
The reason they do it is the huge amount of theft they experience, each store experiences upwards of a half million of theft a year. The money adds up, it has been a long time but I vaguely remember their security costs to be less then ten percent of the projected numbers if they did not do it.
So, I'm not the guy you responded to, but I've read a few stories about Wal-Mart security apparatus on here, which is probably similar to Target. These places are all across the nation, and in some depressed areas. They are often targets of thefts by individuals that are done over time at one location, or across several in a certain geographic area, and can be many, many thousands of dollars to tens of thousands of dollars. The average security guard at these places is your average security guard, but they have security teams that they send out for high level theft, and probably the OPs case too (abduction), to deal with it at a professional level.
Huhsein ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called shrink, either through theft or getting lost that stores try and control. Each chain has a level of shrink they deem acceptable, start going beyond those levels and measures need to be taken. Why do you think Wal-mart checks a receipt now on the way out? It rarely stops/catches thieves but it helps notice the case of water or dog food that the cashier is too lazy to look for.
But some stores you simply don't steal from, Target is one and my daughter found out Gordman's is another. They prosecute and they follow through. And then they ban you for life, she walked into Gordmans a few years later and had the police called on her for trespassing. They knew, they recognized and they acted swiftly, so they probably run some kind of facial recognition or are really good at picking out faces. She even reached out to corporate writing a letter that she was young and dumb, they said nope, nothing has changed and it's been over 8 years.
I just remember sitting in the class we had to attend as part of the court and the cop asking who got busted by Gordmans and half the class raised their hand. He just laughed, and was like they are one of the bests in the business at catching shop lifters. You don't stand a chance when you walk in the door there. They already have eyes on you, watching you.
And then they ban you for life, she walked into Gordmans a few years later
If your daughter knew she was banned for life, why did she try to enter the store at all? I don't get it.
She even reached out to corporate writing a letter that she was young and dumb
She demonstrated that she was still willing to disregard their rules. And why would they make an exception for her? [EDIT: Not that you're necessarily saying they should've!]
I'm all about rehabilitation when it comes to the criminal justice system, but if the store is perfectly willing to lose her patronage forever AND it's a permanent reminder of her youthful crime... well, I'm okay with that. It's a pretty mild consequence, all things considered. She could even get someone else to buy items for her if she really wanted to.
Huhsein ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill bro, she was shopping, she forgot, she is a girl.
I'm a girl, too... not sure what that has to do with shopping or forgetting something. Your story was just striking to me; I didn't intend to make a mountain of it, sorry.
Huhsein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The short jist is she turned her life around, shop lifting would be like a non-event in the lifestyle she was living at the time. She spent a year in juvee at one point.
4 or 5 years later and she was not that person anymore. Good job, good man, likes to shop, shop alot, I mean really shop, lol. Walked into the store and boom wow, ohhh snap, she just wanted a shirt.
So in an attempt to right a wrong from her past so she could shop at their store, she tried to write corporate a very serious and heart warming letter.
Now it doesn't matter much, she can online shop them. But I thought it was cool that she was gonna try and appeal to the humanistic side of a giant corporation. It couldn't hurt.
I thought it was cool that she was gonna try and appeal to the humanistic side of a giant corporation. It couldn't hurt.
Agreed, it's a good exercise for someone who's turned their life around; i.e. addressing their wrongs and trying to make amends. She tried, at least.
If I'd been in charge of the decision at corporate, I would have lifted the ban upon receiving a well-written letter that demonstrated remorse (and especially given that the thief was underage at the time of the crime) -- but I'm also not surprised they didn't. Corporations can be pretty soulless.
alonjar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Surely the cost of implementing and running a superb security system drastically outweighs the cost of stolen product.
You vastly underestimate the cost of stolen product.
They donโt generally take depositions for criminal trials. You need the actual witnesses to authenticate the surveillance footage. If the case had went to trial they would call you or your wife to testify.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:36:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there are limits. if you have someone with a bunch of warrants and a child snatching charge, as a prosecutor, this is the guy you want to nail to a wall
Plea deals often involve significant amounts of prison time. Sometimes even life if death is on the table.
You never know what a jury might do or what might turn out to be wrong with your evidence. What looks like a slam dunk can turn into a nightmare pretty quickly. It's often better to take a sure thing than gamble on a trial and appeals.
I'm listening, you just don't get what I'm saying. Prosecutors cut deals constantly. They do it in cases much more heinous than this one. They don't have the resources to take every case to trial, and plea bargains give them certainty vs. the risk of a criminal trial.
No, we all get what you're saying. You're simply mistaken.
It is still very common for a DA to allow for a plea deal with a ton of jail time to avoid a trial and everything that goes with it. Going to trial on a felony is a huge investment of staff resources and opens up the possibility, however small, that the case is either complicated by key evidence being inadmissible or the defendant convincing the jury it was a misunderstanding. Or he could be convicted and a judge might give a shorter sentence.
It is much better from their perspective to put an offender away for a decade with certainty and without wasting prosecutorial resources. It simply won't come back to bite a DA that they got a ten-year guilty plea when maybe they possibly could have gotten 12 or 15.
EDIT: Oh, and I completely forgot what started this discussion: the DA would not want to force the victim's parents to prep for this trial, worry for months and years about whether he would actually go to prison, and then make them take the stand and re-live the day all over again and then have their character impugned by a defense attorney who would dig up every detail they could from the dad's background that might suggest he has a hair trigger and throw it in his face, trying to upset him so the jury just thinks he's a rage monster. It's so much better just to avoid that.
They also lend out their forensics labs to LEO's and even federal agencies too. Many of the people they hire are ex LEO's or even FBI. It sounds pretty crazy, but don't fuck w/ Target.
The problem was it was just Zellers with marked up prices and better lighting. Nobody wanted that, you could go to Walmart for better prices or an actual grocery store for the same prices with better quality foods.
Not really. I got robbed at gunpoint, and was sent papers to appear in court to testify. The date kept changing, and eventually they cut a deal and went to jail without a trial. Nobody called to tell me this. I only found out because I looked up the case online using numbers on the papers they sent me.
ison2010 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:53:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity could you elaborate how did you knew he was trying to abduct your kid...(i presume sex offender you learned about later)..i mean for all you know your kid may got lost and this guy/girl was trying to help him find you or just get the kid to an officer etc...again just curious how did you knew he/she was bad.
In an earlier post he said the guy tried to grab the kid out of the shopping cart his wife was pushing. She screamed, he turned around and beat the shit out of the guy, everyone got arrested, and target gave him a $500 gift card.
Radulno ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:01:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sex offender wasn't really bright...
alowester ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how does anyone think they could get away with grabbing a kid out of a shopping cart at a target?
Ragnrok ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:44:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AMA request: People who were abducted out of shopping carts as kids
Worked LP for a while, smash and grabs can't be stopped.
Hell we had guys drive a truck into the doors, fill the bed with jeans and fixtures plus clothes and floor it out of there. Less than 2 minutes we barely got police on the phone. , ~100k plus in losses alone. Damages were higher.
We redesigned the entire store so low loss items were by exits and installed pillars, horribly out of place, but not getting a carr through.
ison2010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If thats true..what the actual fuck. I can understand luring somehow the kid...but actually grabing it from the cart in front of the parents. His lucky to be alive imo. What the fuck is wrong with people.
Zastavo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but sometimes people literally try to just grab kids and run. Yesterday in my town there was a man walking his daughter to school, his daughter was walking behind him and when he turned around there was a man basically mid-grab trying to snatch his daughter up. The guy ran away as soon as he was seen by the father but not every child abductor tries to act kind and persuade the child to leave with them... sometimes they just snatch 'em right up.
zirtbow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a daughter and this whole comment chain is making me even more paranoid.
As a child I was always taught to walk IN FRONT of whoever I'm with, for this exact reason. I'm very petite and I still always do this. To me it seems like common sense, keep your kids where you can see them.
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ison2010 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i see your point (although i dont understand why you mention the woman think) but if i suspect a child is lost fuck me i will help, cause if i dont then maybe the next one is the child abuser/sex offender etc...hence why i asked the question...surely something triggered him to assault the guy/girl.
Hazon02 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He mentioned the woman because of the stigma that surrounds men being around children. Better to find a woman to help a lost kid because she won't be automatically assumed to have bad intentions. (It's a stereotype, but it does hold merit)
this happened to me and my family last time we were at the zoo.
I noticed a little girl wandering around looking lost... luckily I was with the mrs. and told her what was up, but she comes from a world of introversion and leaving strangers be. I basically had to force her to go help the girl, even then she had to be 1000% certain the girl was lost.
I'm keenly aware of my gender and how it affects others and there's no way I would approach that kid unless I was with zoo staff.
The only place that holds merit is Reddit. I work with kids daily, I'm overweight and in my late 20's. I'm not a teacher, babysitter or any shit like that.
Hazon02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My singular anecdotal experience applies to all of existence."
ison2010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep i get it. unfortunately being sick in mind is gender agnostic.
I was at the store with my ex-wife and three kids literally two days ago. My oldest son is 9 and sees a kid with a Pokemon shirt and high fives the kid for being awesome I guess. We start to walk away and this little boy (probably around 7) and his younger brother start yelling "Grandpa!, Grandpa!" We wait for a second to see if anyone even acknowledges these kids and no one does so my ex-wife kneels down and talks to them, asks what they know about their Grandpa, etc and walks with them to stand in line at the service desk to call for their Grandpa. This entire time she had my three kids and those two kids following her and I felt utterly compelled to just hang back and keep my distance from them even with my ex wife there handling it. People are weird about their kids/grandkids and society mostly frowns upon men in those situations.
The kids grandpa was on the other side of the store, took him 5 minutes to walk up to the service desk and the first thing he says to these kids is "Where's y'all's candy?" Apparently, he just let them walk around the store by themselves shopping.
covor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:19:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because man near children (even if they are their own) are seen as evil pedophiles.
Now imagine this scenario: You are in a store, you find a crying 2 year old girl. If you go near her and her parents, or the security people, etc. find you there, how are you going to prove that you were not trying to kidnap her? In this cases, it's usually guilty until proven innocent. Even if you get cleared in a court of law, the stigma will still remain. So it's better to don't go near a crying child.
mag1xs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My god some people are fucked up, where the fuck would this happen? You bring the kid to the nearest desk while informing the kid it will be alright.. Bring the kid to a desk/information and tell them about the situation and it will be sorted out.. Case closed, how fucked up is your world compared to the rest of peoples where this would happen? I bet it happens like 1/1000 times at most that some psycho parent label you as anything.
Worst case scenario you tell a worker near by that the kid is lost if you don't have the socials skill to pull that off without being seen as a pedophile.
covor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've read plenty of comments on Reddit about dads walking with their little girl in a park or something and people giving them suspicious looks, or even calling the security on them...
It happens in the US and UK, possibly in other countries as well.
I've read plenty of those comments as well, and while I wouldn't say that things like that never happen, I do think that some people have a pretty broad definition of a 'suspicious look'.
I have two kids, and for years I've taken them out to playgrounds, museums, restaurants etc while my wife was working, cleaning, or otherwise occupied, and have literally never once saw or heard anyone express suspicion.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And there are many similar cases that don't make the news. So why take risks to help a child? If the society acts this way towards males, then males should stop helping children.
So why take risks to help a child? If the society acts this way towards males, then males should stop helping children.
Because I'm not a vindictive, petulant asshole, and believe that helping a child in need is more important than the small chance that some judgmental asshole is going to give me a hard time for it. If my kids get lost, I hope there are people around that think the way I do, and not like you.
Seriously, buddy, I cannot fully express the loathing I have towards you right now. Your attitude is actively making the world a worse place. Pull your head out of your ass.
covor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the same loathing towards you too, if that makes you feel any better. If the society as a whole wants children to be helped, they should get rid of this stupid stereotype about males being pedophiles.
That being said, I would not let a child die if I could save him, but other than that I won't move finger.
they should get rid of this stupid stereotype about males being pedophiles
This is largely imagined. The actual consequences you would face from someone misinterpreting you helping out a lost kid are negligible, especially in contrast with the help you could offer the kid. Great way to absolve yourself of guilt over not helping people out though.
covor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think they are negligible? The fact that you can 'get away' with help children most of the time is like saying you can get away with speeding. Sure, everyone speeds, and most of the time you don't get in trouble, but sometimes you do.
How many times a day do you think kids get lost, and someone helps them find their parents? Out of those cases, how many times does a parent overreact and call the cops? Out of those instances, how many times does anything else happen besides the cops refusing to arrest the good samaritan?
With your risk/reward evaluation skills, I'd be surprised if you ever get into a motor vehicle, play any sort of sports, or have sex with anyone ever. Sure, most of the time you don't get in an accident or get an STD, but sometimes you do.
That's great you found a case with absolutely batshit crazy parents. Sounds like enough reason to never help anyone again.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many times do car accidents happen? How many time do you hear about them on local news? (by hearing about, I don't mean just being reported, but also you being there with the TV on to hear about them). How many time do you hear about car accidents in nation wide news?
So by watching the TV/reading the news, you'd conclude that car accidents rarely happen, yes? But yet they are one of the leading causes of death in the US, and probably one of the first causes of serious injury.
So yeah, just because you rarely hear about something on the news it doesn't mean they don't happen often. How many times did people trying to help children got in trouble for it and you never heard about it? Yes, most of the times you don't get in trouble, but it's not something unheard of.
But it's not even about the odds here. The fact is, the US society as a whole believes that man should not be alone near children. So who am I to violate such sacred social values?
How many times do car accidents happen? How many time do you hear about them on local news? How many time do you hear about car accidents in nation wide news?
Are you serious with this shit? Car accidents are not widely reported on because they are too numerous to be newsworthy. You could just as well say that people losing their socks happens fairly often, but you never hear about it on the news, so by watching TV/reading the news you'd conclude that people rarely lose their socks. If you were a fucking idiot.
Someone getting assaulted because parents misinterpreted them helping their kids is newsworthy because it is incredibly rare. In fact, the very few reported instances has led you to believe that it is somehow much more common than it is. You've fallen victim to scaremongering journalism.
The fact is, the US society as a whole believes that man should not be alone near children. So who am I to violate such sacred social values?
Where exactly are you getting this from? I must not have received my copy of the Sacred Social Values.
covor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone getting assaulted because parents misinterpreted them helping their kids is newsworthy because it is incredibly rare.
While I agree that people being actually assaulted for that is a rare event, you can find a lot of personal accounts on Reddit about people trying to help lost children and ending up with very ungrateful parents, to put it mildly.
Where exactly are you getting this from? I must not have received my copy of the Sacred Social Values.
Again, how many male nursery workers have you seen? How many male professional babysitters? How many males who work with young children do you know? How many females?
How many females females get dirty looks from being around children in parks, versus how many males?
Are you seriously suggesting that this is the first time you heard about those 'sacred social values'?
you can find a lot of personal accounts on Reddit about people trying to help lost children and ending up with very ungrateful parents, to put it mildly
Again, negligible consequences for helping a kid in need. I guess I'm just not fragile enough that a rebuke from someone would scare me off from doing the right thing.
Yes, the majority of child care workers are female. Big leap from that to "US society as a whole believes that man should not be alone near children".
Ambralin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The stigma is really real. Are you a man?
Iโd still help a child, but fuck society. Some of these people, they really think youโve got some pedophile-y tendencies because you interact with children, whether itโs trying to help a child in some way or making small talk with one. Even if theyโre your own child, people might give dirty looks. I heard an account of someone on Reddit who had the cops called on him for sitting on a bench at the park, in which his child was playing in. And multiple about women coming up to men at the park, asking who their child is (so as to make sure they arenโt there to kidnap anybody).
If someone is gonna stare at you for buying fatty, high-calorie foods then theyโre just gonna think youโre a fatass. That stigma sucks, but is not typically something that elicits fear and can go away for you personally. But if someone thinks youโre a pedophile, that worry will always be in the back of their minds and that stigma instills fear in the hearts of men, as no one wants to be seen as a pedophile.
I still think everyone should help a child in need, but you should understand that this mindset is not some crazy, wack-jobโs way of thinking. Donโt treat us like weโre evil and we piss you off. That only makes us even more fearful, as it makes us associate something weโre scared of, being seen as a pedophile, with your negative outlook at our coping strategies.
Yes, I am a man, and a parent. I could not care less about someone giving me dirty looks for being out with my kids. Sure, someone on reddit said they had the cops called on them. My guess is the cops were reasonable people who quickly ascertained there was nothing to be worried about. Other men talked to women in public at a park. What an ordeal.
I still think everyone should help a child in need
This is the difference between yourself (probably most other people as well) and the other person I was talking to. I'm sure being accused of being a pedophile would not be a pleasant experience, and I don't blame people for worrying about that. Saying that men shouldn't ever help kids because of the risk of that happening is absolutely crazy, and (as a parent, I think quite justifiably) pisses me off. It's not actively evil, but that sort of disregard for vulnerable peoples' well-being is reprehensible.
Ambralin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt blame the people with this mindset, but it seems to me like you do. Then again, itโs also quite reasonable that youโd think us disgusting for saying we wouldnโt help a child in need. Any news outlet or public figure would say as much, and any woman and most men would as well.
Your opinion is, honestly, more reasonable than our outlook. You should know that while a lot of people on this thread seem to think a certain way, most people would agree with you. Thing is, human minds arenโt always seeking out the most logical solution to a problem. While this scenario isnโt mental illness, the same can especially be said for someone with a mental disorder. Oftentimes there is no logic, or at least their solution is clearly not the most logical path.
In my opinion, as I said, you shouldnโt blame us, because that will only make us more fearful as we associate your negative view on our mindset with the stigma of being thought of as a pedophile. The same thing could be said in a situation involving mental disorder. But, while it may be unhelpful for you to be angry at us, it is still only my opinion that you should word your thoughts differently, mainly towards that other person.
More understanding is the best policy, in my opinion. That includes understanding towards yourself as well, in that weโre talking about helping a child in need. In general, we should be helping anybody in need, and most people would agree. Your perspective is the same of the majorityโs. Us who are fearful of being labeled a pedophile, while different than you, should still be able to easily understand your stance.
You've used "us" a few times, but I want to make clear that your statement that "I still think everyone should help a child in need" completely removes you from the (probably quite rare) mindset that covor was espousing.
Us who are fearful of being labeled a pedophile
I fully sympathize with this fear, and realize it is not entirely unfounded. Where I lose sympathy is when people let it stop them from assisting where they should.
Regardless, I appreciate your attempt to bring civility to the discussion. The topic can bring up strong feelings in lots of people, myself included. It's hard to stay objective when I'm contemplating a situation where my child is lost and afraid and no one is willing to help them.
Ambralin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Us, as in those of us who may not make the most rational decisions that most people would, given the fear of pedophilia. I am someone who, in my opinion, would likely help a child even if Iโd be worried about being labeled a pedophile. Iโve never encountered such a situation so I canโt know for sure. Iโm just saying, Iโd like to think Iโd help them.
What might cause me to turn a blind eye is my crippling social anxiety, and this applies to more than just children. I wouldnโt like to be blamed for not always being to most upstanding citizen. I donโt like to blame anybody else, so itโs like treating others how you want to be treated. There is always a better option, and in this case it would be to provide help. With a mother in an abusive relationship, as a different example, it would be to leave with her child. But I wouldnโt blame her for not doing so, and I know that blaming her would only be counterproductive.
In the end, Iโm only nitpicking peopleโs level of understanding. But even if I know it to be counterproductive to be repulsed by our, or certain other minority mindsets, itโs simply the most reasonable, and majority-like perspective to have, so I also canโt blame anybody for coming to a 100% logical conclusion, and especially one that most other people would also come to.
I absolutely empathize with your situation; I'm no stranger to mental issues myself, and a good friend of mine has severe anxiety issues as well. In my mind there's a huge difference between desiring to do the right thing but being unable to due to circumstances largely beyond your control, and intentionally making a decision that precludes the possibility altogether, based entirely upon fear of imaginary consequences and a sense of vindictiveness.
Rest assured, if you help out my kid when they're lost, and you seem nervous and awkward and shy about it, it would not make me any less grateful to you for saving the most important thing in the world to me.
Blame is a tricky concept. It's hard to pin down exactly what felt emotion it would best coincide with. For my part, if my inaction allowed something tragic to happen, I would certainly blame myself, and would accept blame from those affected. If my life was negatively affected by someone else's inaction, but that person was aware that they fucked up and felt terribly about it, I would certainly feel hurt and disappointed in them, and probably be pissed off for a while, but wouldn't exactly feel rage or the desire to punish them. If the person was adamant they did nothing wrong, and says they'd make the same choice again, I suppose 'blame' would be the mildest possible term for my feelings toward them.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the majority of child care workers are female. Big leap from that to "US society as a whole believes that man should not be alone near children".
If you read through all the comments, you will see plenty along the lines: "I was 5, some teenager/adult wanted to do something nice for me, but I noped the fuck out, I am sure he wanted to molest/kidnap me".
Now, it is entirely possible that they are right and the adults/teenagers wanted to rape them, but in many cases it seems like an over exaggeration, and they only think that because "men are pedos".
I was young too, and interacted with a lot of adults and older teenagers, and never got raped, molested or kidnapped.
241 upvotes (by the time you will read it probably more). If you think you live in a society where men are not assumed to be pedophiles, then I am not sure what else I can tell you to change your mind.
SFWBriFM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was a revenge story i read a long while back.
Step Dad was taking his wife's daughter to the park, and people from the park were giving him looks and everything. Some lady picks up his step-kid, and starts walking away. He begins yelling, and the little girl starts crying, and some dudes come and pin him down giving a "citizen's arrest". One of them even clipped the guy.
Cops get called, and they book the step dad, and hold the child.
The cops didn't bother fact checking this dude or calling the wife when the guy pleaded.
When released, the guy attempted to sue the police department, and all the people involved. Police department tried to apologize so he won't sue the department, and he cut a deal, and asked for his DUI from years and years ago be wiped, and they agreed. Little girl started going to therapy, and was told she was a bit traumatized.
After the whole court thing, judge agreed to allow step dad to press charges on the dude who got clipped him, and pressed charges on everyone else for the ordeal. Judge requested for therapist report to prove girl was traumatized, and now the dude gets paid monthly from each person involved. And if they miss a payment, he can take them to court for it and raise their monthly.
forgot which reddit i read that from though. Sorry for butcher.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is nice. But the fact that it happened sucks. I remember reading a similar story, where an old lady took a child by force from her dad (or step dad). But I don't think it had this ending, so not sure if it was the same story in progress or a different one.
It really doesn't happen. It's like men claiming to be trans to rape in the women's restroom. Has it happened? sure maybe a couple isolated incidents out of billions of interactions a day but it's not really an issue that exist like it's made out to be
covor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it happens much more than you think. How easy is it for a man to get a job in a nursery? How many male elementary teachers are there? How many professional male babysitters?
Truth is, in the US and UK there is a big stigma about man being around children. You can find quite a few news online about fathers being harassed for being in public with their daughter, or taking pictures of their daughters, etc.
There was a case on Reddit about a guy flying a drone near a soccer field where some girls were playing. And an angry father came to confront the drone guy, claiming he is a pedophile recording girls.
ison2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dear god this is like a hollywood film. As a father of three i can relate to both but kudos to the dad that after all the shit he gone through...he would do it again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Umm... just leave her where she is, walk over to a security person or someone who works there, and say there is a lost child. lollll
covor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is an option, of course. But by the time you find a security person, the child may no longer be there.
Radulno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK that might be a little fucked up in your head to think a man with his kid is a pedophile. And even if it's not his, he has the right to help a lost child. The probability for some guy to be a pedophile is just extremely low overall.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. I once actually found a toddler wandering in the road. Yes, I was worried about someone thinking I was a creep as I pulled my truck over and got out, but there was a kid in the middle of the road. Accuse me of whatever you want, but I'm not letting this kid play in traffic. I coaxed him out of the road without touching him. There was a lady smoking out front of her house nearby, so I went over and asked, "is that your kid down there?" "I don't have a kid," was her classy reply. He couldn't tell me where he lived, so I knocked on the door of the nearest house. They told me he was the next door neighbour's kid. His mom and four other kids were home when I knocked on that door, and she didn't so much as thank me, just yelled at the other kids for not watching him close enough. If a kid (or anyone) needs help, help them.
I believe that might have been sarcasm. He was implying that the woman should maybe have helped him rather than dismissing the issue by saying she didn't have a child.
I know you are getting down voted but I agree with you. I posted this before. I found a two year old baby by himself at night near apartments and a busy street. I have never been more terrified in my life of people thinking I was kidnapping him. I wanted to go to him and hold him and find out where his parents were but I maintained a 5 foot distance between him because I was scared shitless people were going to assume I was trying to kidnap him. Thank god, I found the parents half a block down. Turns out they had left him alone in the apartment and he knew how to open doors and they forgot to lock it. I was so worried. I almost didn't try to find his parents because I didn't want to get in trouble.
I would instead call for an employee for them to make an announcment on the speakers. If outside call the non emergency police line and just wait in the spot
jdubs333 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People make up stories to get karma. People go to jail for bad things so he made up a story about doing a โgoodโ thing that was kind of illegal. All bullshit. There was no kid. There was no child molestor. There was no jail.
I got a kick out of the moral code among convicts. I had a long chat with an older guy I was locked up with about it.
You stole something from a store? Beat the shit out of somebody? Drove drunk? Sold drugs? Meh, whatever, you gotta do what you gotta do to get through this world.
You stole from a church? Absolutely no respect, you're a piece of shit.
You touched a little kid? Don't get caught alone cuz there's an ass-kicking with your name all over it.
j_loc ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:43:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You did the right thing and so did the cop. At least in your case (and your "victim's" case too! though you should be been a witness against him), justice was swift.
Cops can't take chances, but judges are chosen to do exactly that. :)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What state did this happen in, if you don't mind me asking? I've seen stories from Texas where a parent killed someone hurting their kid and no charges were ever filed.
Edit: Also, in Texas they tend not to even arrest the person who defended the victim. It's seems backwards to do it any other way.
I usually don't like violence, but I get you. I wish I can be that efficient as a parent if I become one, someday In the future. As a society, it's important to resist going the easy way of violence and obey the law, so society can function as a whole. But when something like this happens, everything goes out of the window and it's just pure instinct.
dennisi01 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes violence is necessary. If somebody is attempting to abduct a child they need to be met with extreme violence and preferrably irreparable bodily harm. There should bo absolutely no mercy for these monsters.
Righto. There's no need to be a vigilante, but it's certainly fair to take steps to eliminate the threat. And there's certainly a lot of wiggle room for a person in the moment.
But there is a big difference between teaching someone a lesson and simply being overzealous.
I know. It's just the fact that someone can be violent 0-60 in just a fraction of a second, when family is endangered, that really gets you thinking about society and stuff.
I think it just shows that things aren't so cut and dried and that people like to armchair quarterback a lot. It's easy for people to judge and critique saying "oh, he should have done this instead of that". Until you're put in these situations you never know what your natural reaction will be
Someone else in this thread said, cops cant take chances, but the judges can. The cops probably saw a man beating the shit out of another guy, and took them both to jail just in case it didnt be like it do.
I would have does the exact same thing and I first was wondering why you got arrested. Then I remembered a video of some people in line at a fast food place, guy and his toddler in front of an adult male and female. Adult male suddenly takes a kick at the toddler so the dad instantly cold clocks him, flat out unconscious. Still not saying you were wrong, just maybe I understand cops taking everyone and sorting it out later.
Here's the old Reddit thread. https://amp.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1hs3md/man_gets_knocked_out_for_kicking_little_kid/
I guarantee if you actually went to jail over that (not that you should have, fuck that guy) you would be a hero to the other inmates over beating that sex offender. Nobody would mess with you out of respect and would help you with your legal case.
My baby sister had porcelain skin, giant blue eyes, and fiery red hair. She also never ever cried. I witnessed her almost being kidnapped.
Back in 1995, at a shopping trip to Target, my mom turned her back while digging for pant sizes and a big woman in an oversized coat just up and took my 2 yr old sister right in front of me. The cameras showed she walked over, picked up my sister on her hip and wrapped the coat around her. God knows why she didn't just immediately exit the store. We were in the kids section, which was just behind the registers and front exit doors. My mom alerted an employee within a few minutes and they locked the doors. Since the woman couldn't get out, she dropped my sister at customer service in a 'panic' saying she found this child wondering by herself and was 'just ensuring her safety'.
The cameras showed my sister was within reaching distance of my mother and we were playing with each other. It also showed the woman trying the doors. Despite this evidence and my mom's pleas for an arrest, the woman raised such a fit over being a Good Samaritan, they let her go.
Because of this, even if I, or others, have to hear my kids cry, I keep them in the cart and on a back pack leash in huge public crowds.
Edit: I'm only a year older than her so I didn't know what was going on at the time.
IsaaxDX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TBH I would not mind sitting in jail so long as I know I beat the shit out of them and they also went to jail. I would give up my right to being silent as soon as we would arrive in the jail to let everyone know wtf they did!
I think half the time people just drop these subreddits when they want to be a smartass, but donโt have anything smart to say on their own right. I happen to think carrying a firearm that Iโve trained to be proficient with in order to protect myself is pretty badass.
Tsanummy ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When someone is in the process of attempting a child abduction you definitely don't want to be firing a gun at them since there's, you know, a child right there. Once the attempt has been stopped, if they're fleeing or something, shooting them is murder and you should be sentenced for murder because we don't want vigilante justice.
Guns are for self defense and defense of others. I strongly support the 2nd amendment. People who talk like you do are just fuel for the anti gun crowd.
No, youโre right. I should just calmly remind the perp that what theyโre doing is illegal and magically heโll stop abducting the child. But what if... and I know this is crazy so bare with me here... what if the criminal just disregarded the law and kept right on about his kidnapping? Would you suggest a rolled up newspaper in that case?
โAttention target shoppers, we have an emergency. If all females over the age of 65 would proceed to the front of the store armed with your purses immediately!โ
I'd suggest a whole hell of a lot of violent alternatives before I suggest firing a gun at a person in possession of a kidnapped child you absolute retard.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair. I apologize to handicapped people, I made an insensitive comment that I in no way meant. That's a legitimate apology as well, not just a joke - I shouldn't use retard as an insult.
So you separate the two and then commit vigilante murder. What fact pattern are you imagining here where you think this isn't an incredibly dumb thing to do by putting a child's life at risk or murder?
You own a gun to 'defend' yourself, but that seems like a thinly veiled excuse. What you're really doing, is carrying a gun, hoping and praying you'll get to show off and use it one day. Everything you say gives off that 'I can't wait to use my gun to legally take someones life' vibe.
You're the type that gives the pro-gun crowd a bad image and are the embodiment of someone who should not be given a gun under any circumstance.
And the worst part is your comment about justifying the use of a firearm in a child abduction case. There is no imminent need to escalate the situation to that level, all you are doing is further endangering the child and anybody else around them. Do you not understand that a gun is not some magical life ending wand? There are factors that can't be accounted for in a tense and adrenaline-fueled situation like distance from the target? who is behind the target? how likely are you to hit the child? any and all movement by yourself, the target, child, and others. You're not Clint Eastwood, don't try to act like him.
And Iโll be one of the ones you pussies run to after youโve given your guns to the government and theyโve turned on you. See you in a decade or two.
Well actually, I own firearms in the UK, so not much of a chance I'll be giving the US my guns, moron.
I hope you understand gun control isn't handing in your firearms to the government. Gun control is simply performing adequate checks and precautions before handing someone a dangerous tool. Maybe we should get rid of driving tests because 'Muh right to drive', all the recent attacks have proven that vehicles can also be used as deadly weapons, so surely they also fall under muh 2nd amendment?
There are plenty of other countries that allow firearms without having the ridiculous number of issues the US has with them. It's problematic mentalities like yours, with your wet dreams of using your gun to end somebody.
No, I donโt actually believe half the shit I say in order to garner an emotional response from someone else, such as yourself. Thatโs pretty much the definition of trolling, mate.
Trolling is in quotes is because its shit, not because I disagree with the definition. It used to be a huge group of people going through a good amount of effort at the expense of someone, clearly your 'huh, England lost a war' is a pathetic attempt in comparison.
And it's so clear that you initially went into this argument with genuine belief behind your points. For a 'troll' you're really bad at hiding your intent and emotions, maybe you should work on that.
No that's solid. And although justified I would have shot that gun out of your hand. Give you a second to cool it down and realize this perp needed his nads smooshed.
Miroudias ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been linked the very same way before, but to /r/iamverysmart.
While I get folks are trying to be sarcastic, it really just makes the poster look stupid and childish. You're going to attempt to shame people for using a larger vocabulary than you? k.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think I've led a rather mundane kind of life with a couple instances of heart pounding terror/extreme excitement. So it really gets my goat when I toss out a story about something out of the ordinary that happened to me only to have some wiseass snark r/thathappened.
Just because my life is slightly more interesting than yours doesn't mean I'm lying.
If anything, you going to prison with him probably really fucked up his time there. I personally would have liked the experience (in hindsight, knowing you won't actually be there for long) as you get to make sure others know who he is and what he's done. I wouldn't have regretted any of it either, especially with the outcome.
It has always occured to me that inmates have kids on the outside that they love.
I mean, there are all kinds of reasons for them to hate diddlers. But you know, being forcibly seperated from your kid that you very much care for, then having to share space with someone that hurts kids .....
Gotta be a bit of a mindfuck.
dpow42 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 15:52:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a pretty straight arrow by nature, so I don't think that I really allowed myself to process what was happening until the 2nd or 3rd day of my 4-day stint in a county jail in Kansas. At that point I just wanted to go home and get the hard part over with, facing my parents. Honestly, the hardest part was the first night. They didn't have a bed available for me so I spent the night alone in the drunk tank on a hard concrete floor. After that I got a cellmate, a mat on the floor, and all the western paperbacks I could read in 3-4 days. The short version of my arrest was that we were bored, engaged in some fireworks-related shenanigans, and were just unlucky enough that those shenanigans were observed by an off-duty deputy at home with his sick wife. Karma.
That really sucks that you had to sleep on the floor. If they don't have room for people, they need to let out people with petty offenses. In my County jail, the guys are sleeping in the tanks for 5 - 12 days. There's 2 benches but laying down, only 2 guys fit so the rest are on the floor the whole time. I was always thankful that it was different for the women.
dpow42 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:38:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine sleeping in the tank for that extended of a period. One night was miserable.
My friend was sent to juvi for a month when they found a pocket knife on him after getting into a fight at school. He was a pretty good kid, but found out his "girlfriend" was cheating on him with another guy, so he found the guy at lunch and pummeled him.
He said he was just in his cell crying the first day. He thought he was going never going to see anyone again, or that he would get killed in there. Afterwards, he said he didn't talk to anyone but that everyone was generally nice to him in there
I never really got that thought process. Why go after the guy your girlfriend is cheating on you with and not go after the person who is actually doing the cheating. It's like the person is in denial that their significant other has betrayed them so they have to put the blame on someone else.
Yeah well, he always carried his with him, but I mean, it doesn't look good when you just beat up somebody out of nowhere, and then they learn you had a pocket knife on you too
I get that and youโre right, but just as another view, it could show that he could have stabbed the guy but showed restraint. That might help somehow? Nah never mind.
Sonyw810 ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 18:31:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isnโt so bad. After I realized they do not do a full cavity search on intake. The guards were mostly cool.
Guard: how long are you staying at the resort?
Me: 6 months
Guard: holy fuck, you kill a guy?
Me: no, just a fight
Guard: well should of killed em, probably gotten less time.
I also got out on work release which was a sanity saver.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:26:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was in Jail for a month. Speeding and DUI mixed with missing first court appearance got me a 90 day sentence with 60 suspended. Went into jail that day, right after my court appearance. I wasnt scared really because i live in a small city , just let down. Like you realize your whole life is to not go to jail. EVER. Then you're there and you realize that this is now your life. Guards talk shit. Real shit. So you can stay longer. It taught me i never want to end up back in that situation again. I was 23 and served my 30 days. Im 28 now and actually am glad i went through that because i was very reckless as a young adult.
I was arrested at Mardi Gras one year for battery on an officer with injury. Oops. Up until this point (and since then) I've been pretty much straight as a board. I think I've had a whopping two speeding tickets and one parking ticket in my life. I'm early 40's.
Got hauled into the New Orleans jail, freaked out of my mind. Here I am, a tubby white geek. Kept to myself in the booking area, finally got to my cell well into the evening. They hauled another inmate out of the cell to make room for me (so I've instantly made at least one friend). Tried my damnest to sleep, but I'm a snorer, sooooo...didn't really sleep (didn't want to wake up the other guy in the cell).
Spent the day talking to the guy, he was in on drugs. We talked about our life experiences, I got out on bail.
Fast forward a few months, and I've plead guilty to a lesser charge of battery on an officer and get sentenced to 17 days. Having spent one night in, I steel myself for 17 days of boredom. I'd researched a LOT and had my wife send me a CISSP book to study while I was in.
Since the lesser charge wasn't a felony, I was stuck in an open dorm with lots of other inmates. THAT was a trip...you feel like a new student walking into a full classroom. Where am I going to bunk? Who's already eyeballing me to screw with me? I chose a top bunk of a bunkbed, and an older, weathered guy said "hey, man, don't sleep up there...a big guy like you should be on the first one. Here's an open bunk right here," and pointed me towards an empty rack. I took it and was extremely on alert, trying not to jump out of my skin. Was this guy lookin' for someone to drop the soap in the shower, or was he just a decent guy?
Turns out, it was the later. We talked like adults. He helped me understand the routine, I gave him the extra food I got (I was barely able to eat most of the food there), he shared some of his extras (he'd give me his apple sauce, for example).
All in all, a decent guy. He was in for drugs and theft, as were a lot of the other inmates.
And while I'm not proud of what I did, lemme tell you...if you've gotta go to jail, being able to say that you're in for "battery on an officer, pled down from battery on an officer with an injury" certainly doesn't hurt with the other inmates.
Going to OPP is some serious shit. It's a rough jail to have to be held, and I've heard some horror stories. It's supposed to be one of the worst in the country.
Yeah, in the time between when I was picked up and the time I went in for my little "vacation", I did, as any nerd would, lots of Google searches.
Oh. Holy. Shit. Yeah, I was pretty sure I wasn't going to make it out in one piece.
As "luck" would have it, the sheriff had recently gotten in DEEP with the feds for all KINDS of violations, so it seemed like everyone was on their best behavior. The closest I came to anything bad was one of the guards accidentally switched off all the water to the unit...which evidently is a big no-no, outside of unit shakedowns and the like...which quite a few of the inmates who'd been there a while/knew how things worked QUICKLY and loudly called her on. Water was restored a few minutes later, but to hear them, you'd think we'd just spent 20 days in the desert and were all literally dying from thirst.
Got shoved backwards. Lunged forward towards what I could see (instead of falling into/onto god knows what behind me). Evidently struck the guy in the corner of the lip, he needed 2 stitches.
Was preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure I was going to have an "accident" on the way to jail. Was very polite the entire time. No "accidents" en-route.
Yeah, that's what I thought. As did my wife (who was safe at home at the time of the incident), my best friend (who'd been right next to me), several on-lookers and my attorney.
Evidently the DA/assistant DA had a hard on. In court, the judge was looking at the paperwork (when I was there to plead to the lower charge) and went "...can't I just suspend this whole thing?"
The DA replied "no, your honor, he must serve time."
This clearly was a waste of the judge's time, so she, bless her heart, went:
"Okay, so, I'm going to increase the sentence to 30 days,"
<my heart skipped a beat>
"but suspend 13 days of it, so you're still just doing the 17 days. I'm also going to give you 30 days non-supervised probation that starts right now, so once that's done, you can get this expunged."
Indeed. Of course, now I break out in a cold sweat any time I think of applying for a new tech job... Are they going to do some kind of background check that will show this somehow, even though it's expunged?
I hired a guy on from a temp agency. Great guy. After he had worked there a few weeks, it turned out that the temp agency had done a local background check which came up empty.... but that a broader check later showed he had a DWI. They cut him loose because he lied on his application.
Only he had that charge expunged, so he didnโt feel he needed to put that down. Temp agency didnโt feel that way. Had we hired him directly, we never would have known. But the temp agency had some kind of deep freakin search that turned it up. It sounded kind of fucked to me.
Not necessarily uncommon. People don't like to believe this, but it's your best bet to consider every background check a unique entity. If you had a charge that was expunged, be concerned forever. It's a sad reality in the USA, at least.
The same goes for drug screens. There are legal herbs and chemicals that people consume, obscure stuff that hasn't made it to the CSA yet, but some places will pay $300 per drug test to see if their applicant consumed a weird plant from southeast Asia that Walgreens sells as an anti-anxiety herbal supplement. Boom, disqualified. You absolutely never know, and it's terrifying.
But the temp agency had some kind of deep freakin search that turned it up.
What happens is that the criminal background check companies constantly scrape millions of arrest/conviction/etc. records every day, to build up a private, permanent, and standardized criminal database for them to run your applicants through. They can't open up sealed criminal convictions, but by grabbing the public records before they're sealed (and removed from public databases) they don't have to. Reputable background check agencies ought to purge these private records when they no longer show up on public databases, as that indicates the original record was either erroneous or sealed (and the agency doesn't really have any way of telling which). But, of course, oftentimes they just report it anyway.
Yeah, and right up until that day, I absolutely thought so too.
I think that's why it worked out... When I get SUPER mad, I get deathly calm, bordering on polite. Lots of "yes sir"s and the like.
While I was off to the side, I was so calm and polite, one of the cops actually asked "wait... Is this guy with the church group?" (A church group was parading up and down Bourbon Street spouting out that everyone was going to burn in hell for all this sin and vice, etc)
I think that may have helped. No body tention, seemingly calm on the outside, being polite. Dunno.
Dealing with people who have broken the law and then feel like flipping out is the correct answer.
NOTE Before you get all up in arms about OP being pushed and it being an accident, understand that you and I werenโt there and we will never know what happened. The only two people on the planet who truly know how it went down are OP and the police officer, and that we have to assume that we are only getting OPโs side of the story because the cop isnโt around to tell his. I donโt want to have a drawn out fight with anyone about how cops are lying pigs and how I suck and how I just want to hit my quota and all that nonsense. If anyone has questions about policing in general or wants to have a civil discussion about their opinion or about what troubles them re: modern policing, Iโm game.
Well I was taking his word. I get what your saying 100%. Definitely two sides to every story. But if what heโs saying is true Iโd be very upset.
And I am not one to disrespect cops ever. I have the up most respect for them. And appreciate them. I am sorry for all the bullshit yโall have to put up with. I know I couldnโt do it. Thank you for what you do. Not everyone is an entitled ignorant asshole.
Haha youโre good man, I was using โyouโ pretty generically.
Getting riled up and flipping out is such a bad idea because I often find myself arresting someone who just moments before, might have been about to cut loose. I detain people to investigate an incident and no one leaves until Iโm done with my investigation and determine that there is no crime, or whose story matches with evidence at the scene and witness testimony.
Buuuut that takes time. Some people canโt wrap their heads around, โno you are not under arrest right now, but no, you cannot leaveโ and then the next thing I know Iโm fighting a guy (or gal).
Stay cool bro and thanks for your support. It is very welcome! Hit me up if you have any questions about police work.
You are either under arrest of free to go in most states. Either have PC or don't. But then again most people have the right to remain silent...just not the ability.
Soooo you just step in and tell a subject matter expert how to do their job and then stand back and shrug and say, โWell, I tried to make it known that Iโm smarter than you and failed. Guess Iโll go bother someone else.โ?
Why? I mean, are you a lawyer or a police officer? If so weโll debate the nuance behind investigative detention all day.
But if youโre some arm chair internet hero... no thanks.
Stay silent ask for a lawyer. Cops aren't entitled to anything but identification. And if you aren't being detained you can walk away. Cops think they know case law. They should just stick to the plane language of the constitution. We have several officers around that smells pot with every stop. Yet only find any in 10% of the stops. It is all pretext. With the supreme Court talking about property rights maybe things will change. What you are talking about is throwing Pirtle down the toilet.
Okay buddy. Try to walk away while a police officer is investigating a crime and see how far you get.
Weed stink sticks to everything. If you want to be a shithead and smoke dope donโt be the least bit surprised when a cop smells the residue that is EVERYWHERE in the car and searches it.
Iโd also like to know where you got 10% from. Care to cite that for me? But beyond that, Iโm not so much of a dickhead that Iโm going to take someone to jail over shake. Maybe I should and get your imaginary attics back up where they should be.
If you can't walk away, wouldn't you then be in custody, require Pirtle or Miranda? Greeno v State 861 N.E. 2d 1232. Officer yelled stop..walked away. Evidence suppressed. Mj v State ...ran away... resisting overturned.
Between the states where it is legal and like you say it sticks...not really probable cause. If he doesn't have PC I will be fine. Weasel consent or get around giving the advisements. Respect for the law goes both ways.
The odor of weed is PC. That is case law. Not the visual sighting of weed. I operate within the bounds of the law as it is interpreted by the magistrate judges who sign my arrest warrants, homie.
You can bang it out in State court with the county prosecutor about PC and case law, but youโre probably not going to win that fight.
Yeah the state bar wouldn't like that. Squeaky clean. Raising six kids with my wife of 11 years. Yep, I am a peace of shit. Sometimes I even preach on Sundays. I won't bore you with the titles I have held. Suffice to say I have put people in jail before. Learn to converse as a human and not your title. Your job is not who you are...I hope. My bro in law retired after 20 on the force. He got tired of all the power trippers. Sad really. Now does what he loves flying.
Liberty is becoming a precious commodity. If only you were as serious about protecting that. More concerned about a society and snow flake kids that think banning some gun will cure the evil in some men's hearts.
Your right "I smell pot" when a car is involved is pretty tough right now. But with every state that legalizes it will become easier to suppress. Throwing people in jail for pot is stupid. DUI have at it, go get em. Model code remember says without a prescription. In Ohio and Michigan you can have a prescription. So the next challenge will be in Indiana when someone has an Ohio script. I would bet the public defenders where you work a really under funded.
Sadly, no. I DID go through the whole book, cover-to-cover, but as soon as I got out I set it aside. Part of me doesn't want to go near it, as it's been "tainted" with my jail experience.
Holy shit. That sounds better than a friend i know that got put in OPP. He was in for drugs. Being that he was a tiny, gay white dude, his life was a living hell while there. His mom refused to bail him out because the drugs had gotten out of control. Heโd done multiple rehab stays, but he kept going back. I donโt remember all the details, but it wasnโt his first go around. She wanted to teach him a lesson and scare him. Well it worked. First day there, they were overpopulated. Their solution? Tents outside. He got punched in the face for looking at someone the wrong way so his glasses were smashed. He was pretty much blind and couldnโt see shit. He begged the officers to let him call his mom to send another pair but they wouldnโt allow it. He was basically some big dudes bitch for the time he was there, he said it was the only way he survived. Heโs been clean and sober for about 2 years now.
WintendoU ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was basically some big dudes bitch for the time he was there
Heโs never gone into detail, but yeah. He feared if he didnโt and lost his protection, the other prisoners would have killed him. The officers tended to look the other way on a lot of things.
Its sad that the only way to get justice would be for him to track the officer down and harm them directly. But that would just get him in jail for longer.
Its sucks how bad we have let officers and prison guards get. They people know they will never be punished for abusing others.
He does and he understands now why she wouldnโt bail him out. He put her through hell and back with his drug abuse for years. She felt guilty for what happened while he was in there, but he said he needed that reality check to snap him out of it. Theyโre both in a better place in their lives now.
jerizer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:20:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Orleans parish prison (now Orleans correction center I think? or detention center) is awful. glad your stay wasn't "that bad". has to be one of the worst prisons
to anyone reading who comes for mardi gras.. don't piss in public, don't fuck with the horses, don't fight, don't mess with the cops.
OPP is no joke. Lived in Nola for four years. I never got arrested somehow but had many friends do from a couple of days to a couple of months. This is prior to the federal crackdown on how Sheriff Guzmann was running the prison. Every guard was corrupt smuggling in all kinds of contraband at ease. Inmates would be let out days at a time as long as they returned. Inmates routinely died from suicide, lack of medication or murder. All swept under the rug. A buddy was in for a few weeks until he made bail. Granted he did get busted with 30 pounds of weed but the hilarious part is when you get processed your clothes are just thrown into a big bin. He was so ready to get out instead of digging he comes out in like a size 44 pair of Fubu jeans (he is like a 32). A tank top and no shoes. I've never laughed as hard as I did that day in the parking lot when he walked out.
jerizer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao.
Youre a good man for picking him up.
I lived in nola for my first 19 years of life and beleive every word you typed. I avoided opp, but found my way into BR and ascension parish jails. I suspect they were tame compared to opp.
ejambu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got arrested for marijuana a while back.
I spent the first 30 hours alone in a booking cell in a turtle suit. I mostly was just pissed because I wasn't suicidal and wanted to know what was going on, when I'd get real clothes, when I could call my family, etc. At one point the next morning, they brought over the inmates from the housing blocks that were going to court and put a couple of them in my holding cell to wait. Hindsight, they were probably more unsure of me than I was of them because turtle suits automatically made people think you were crazy.
After finally getting cleared by the psychiatrist, they let me change into oranges (real underwear and pants never felt so good) and took me to the housing block. I remember being intimidated when I first walked in because people will swarm you when you're new to find out what you're in for, and whether you're on detox meds that they can try and bribe you for. (I wasn't)
The worst part was the food and additional lockdowns because people wanted to be hardasses.
I answered their suicide screening questions wrong, apparently.
"Are you suicidal?"
No.
"Do you want to hurt yourself?"
No.
"Do you have a job?"
No. (I was supposed to move right before I got arrested.)
"Do you have any kids?"
No.
"What are you looking forward to?"
...what do you mean? I'm sitting in fucking jail right now.
The first time, "why is everyone watching me make my bed?"(I didn't know the proper sheet tying procedure)...Everytime after that," who's got a coffee for an envelope/ wanna play spades?/ look at that guy try to make his bed"
Sonyw810 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:32:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha fucking spades. And listening to those guys shuffle cards, and then tap them on the table. I still have nightmares.
I've got tons of funny and real stories about the whole aspect if that life, addiction, in and out and parole..and how hard it is to come back from it..pm me for more
I wish, reading there is more of random stuff with a few good books mixed, or people have their families send them amazon books and series, once they are done then it gets passed around. Usually like a 400 page fiction novel every 2 or 3 days. And on to the next one
At first lost a few, after a while started winning ramens, damn that shit food has never tasted so good as the belogna days. Saw one dude take another guys shoes into the bathroom(half cement wall) and shit on em, dude who got his shoes pooped on relazied it, confronted first inmate on the phone, while inmate number 1 beat his ass whith the phone reciever. Straight unconscious and shaking, day 1 of the Milwaukee House of Corrections..
Last time I went to jail, I went to Central Booking to schedule my community service. I was immediately handcuffed write out the cut and was Pitbull chain to a chair for 1 hour, very confused. They told me that due to the discretion of the warden and a pending trial that technically I was innocent until proven guilty, they were going to give me straight time. The booking officer who I watched his lunch for an hour in the back claimed he had call the warden which was a lie and said I was just going to go to jail instead. I asked for some phone numbers out of my phone which was sitting next to me in a bag. They refused. I had no phone numbers, nobody knew where I was except that I had gone to jail to schedule my community service and was immediately strip-searched and thrown into a concrete box. In the first few minutes of sitting there I realized that all the dumb s*** that I have done to get there really wasn't worth it. It was terrifying demoralizing and really really boring. The food was horrendous, they neglected to give me my three meds I was on despite the fact I was a seizure risk. Life Pro tip stay the f*** out of jail.
Jorricha ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:22:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit they pull like that is bs. I went to the courthouse on the correct date and time to pay a minor in possession ticket (class c misdemeanor) and the judge threw me in jail just because he wanted to make a point. Noone knew where I was either.
The punishment in these cases often does not fit the crime. Society doesn't get served, you don't get served in terms of actual help, nobody wins. The judge should have ordered mandatory outpatient treatment for a small. Of time pending good behavior. Not a concrete box where you sit around smelling other peoples farts, doing nothing for yourself or Society. I would have been way better off doing community service and going to AA then sitting around doing nothing
There needs to be better laws and regulations to ensure proper communication with the outside. It's insane that people on minor charges get blocked off from the world like this.
Nata420 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm am not understanding this, eli5 you are innocent until proven guilty, trial pending, but the warden just decides to keep you because why? I really do not understand these circumstances.
I learned later that if you have pending charges they use some BS about you possibly being a Flight Risk and just keep you in jail for quote on quote Public Safety
Nata420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:24:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the dumbest shit ive ever heard. I mean depending on the charge. Flight risk I can see for something major but I'm assuming since you were there to sign up for community service then the original charge must not have been that terrible. I thought we had a po-dunk jailer round my parts but Ive never seen nothing like that.
To be fair "quote unquote" is a dumb phrase anyway, so it's pretty understandable that people get it wrong. It should be "quote Public Safety unquote", not ""quote unquote Public safety.
I could. But any chain of evidence on their end you can assure yourself will not help me. Also my lawyer told me that it would be thousands and thousands of dollars and years and probably just a plea bargain or some other b*******. It's very hard to fight the man especially on charges were I wasn't injured but just in the potential of injury.
The weird thing about this is once I had community service and I had to schedule and do it on my own, then get a letter from the place where I went and then that into the court. A clerk looked it, told me that what I did was approved, clicked a few keys and that was it.
That last part hit me hard. My uncle died in the county jail here due to neglect like that. He caught pneumonia. They didn't give him medicine. Then he basically went into a coma. Inmates testified that they had just out him on a cart unconscious and just hosed him down and threw him back in the cell. Them they overdosed him and he died. His son, who was 6, now has 100k and the piece of shit that did that to him is rotting in prison. Hopefully hell soon.
I'm sorry to hear that. I talk to other inmates who hadn't gotten their meds in 3 months. It's pretty crazy. When I left finally, I was shaking so badly the CO who was taking me back to booking ask me why I was in such bad shape. I told him that I've been asking for meds 3 times a day for the whole time I was there and they wouldn't give me anything though they promised they would every time. I watched a man with an amputated leg asking the nurse why they discontinued his Motrin because he was in pain. They refused to give it to him because that's just how it was. Terrifying. Our jails are a hair's breadth away from Mexico.
hokeyWB ยท 417 points ยท Posted at 15:02:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went though the whole admission process and didn't think anything at all.
I was only in the cell for an hour or so, but mostly I thought about how my platoon commander was going to be pissed.
After an hour some senior screw read my paperwork and came to pull me out. He handed me over to the MPs... who dragged out behind the building and smacked me around for a while. I was given all the shitty jobs on base for about a year, but nothing was ever documented.
hokeyWB ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 15:47:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure! I would take a light beating and a year of shit chores over an assult rap any day of the week!
jamesno26 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:48:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's your offense, if you don't mind me asking?
hokeyWB ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Assult.
Basically I had been away with the Army for 6 weeks straight, getting almost no sleep while learning how to kill people. On the day I got back, instead of sleeping I let my housemate talk me into going to a gig. Where I drank.
When the night was over I stopped by this shitty 24/7 burger shack and ordered a meal. It was 3am or so, and I was the only person in there. After waiting 25 long minutes for my burger and chips... this little shit comes to the counter and calls out my number. I go up to get the food, and he asks for my ticket. I briefly look in my wallet and pockets etc and then tell him that I can't find it.
At this point the kid says "No ticket, no food" and then throws my meal into the bin!!!
Before I even had a chance to think about what I was doing I jumped the counter, threw the kid onto the ground, put my knee on the back of his head, pulled the food out of the bin... and proceeded to force it down his throat.
I did not get very far before a co-worker pulled me off him... which I will always be grateful for... I did not want to hurt anyone.
[deleted] ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 17:03:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like you definitely wanted to hurt someone lol
Suggesting an alternative to his narrative where he, in a "folksy" way, attempts to make assault deserved? That's contributing a whole lot more than the echo-chamber that agrees with his whole "but he was the only customer!" line
Hydrottle ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:38:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think he is arguing the assault was justified. He even stated he didnโt want to be violent. He described the bad decisions that led up to the event and the event that caused it all to trigger. I think we can all agree the employee was an ass, but I donโt think people here necessarily agree that he deserved to get assaulted, especially OP.
That's not really how the thread is going buddy...
"[โ]Shady-McGrady [score hidden] 24 minutes ago
I have no problem with that. As long as no ones getting shot or permanently injured, i believe every dude should get their ass kicked every once in a while (me included) keeps us humble."
And no, I don't think we can all agree that the employee was an ass. We only have the very biased retelling of an obviously primtive jackass, so I would say that we don't have enough information to agree on that at all...
When I first got to this thread, comments like "It sounds like you definitely wanted to hurt someone lol" didn't exist. Everybody was on OP's side, and nobody was acknowledging that OP was a monster. OP even created a throwaway to try to harass me and steer the thread further in his favor, so excuse me for proving a fucking point...
The employee was on a power trip. He fucked with the wrong person. Had he not been uncooperative and obtuse he would have made a sale for his company, not wasted food, and bot have been beat up, and OP wouldn't have been arrested.
There are no winners here.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:56:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โHe fucked with the wrong person.โ No, he did what he was supposed to do. If Private Dumbass had held on to his ticket like a normal person, this wouldnโt have happened. Instead he leaps over a counter, beats someone, and shoves food from the trashcan down their throat. All of this coming from someone who is supposed to be a model of discipline.
Obviously I don't condone the assault. By saying he fucked with the wrong person, I mean 99.785% of the population would not have done this, and he did it to someone who was not only physically capable, but actually did it.
you can use this: > symbol to quote someone in a comment.
So being pedantic is a valid excuse for reason to assault someone?
The cook followed the rules too closely you might say, but still, perfectly within the agreed upon system.
What if you don't want to spend your mental energy listening to people's bullshit contextual excuses as to why they want things differently? Why can't someone just robotically follow the rules and system in place? He gets the order, cooks the food and gives it to someone that has the ticket that verified that they paid for the food. It's made that way for a reason. The dude didn't want to be flexible, and the neanderthal beat him up.
OP is the only one that did something illegal.
I don't know about winners, but OP is certainly a loser.
Why can't someone just robotically follow the rules and system in place?
What kind of society would we live if everyone blindly followed the rules in place, no matter the situation? If no one ever exercised their judgement? If no one showed a bit of empathy, a bit of understanding, towards others?
And OP isn't the only loser here, here's a list
Losers:
Cook: Was pinned to the ground and had food shoved down his throat
OP: Arrested and beaten by military police
Company: lost a sale
Planet earth: some poor animal for dipshit cook to throw it the trash for no fucking reason.
Judgement can be exercised when appropriate, and it can be advantageous, but it's a "bonus"; a plus which is not in the job description. You can't force somebody to do it. That's exactly why we have the rules; what kind of world would it be if everybody exercised their own judgement all the time? Everybody would be judge, jury and executioner as per their own subjective standards. That's why we have the rules and laws in place.
In contrast, a primitive douche decided to break the rules and assaulted somebody. What did the other guy do wrong? Technically, absolutely nothing. In fact, technically, he avoided doing something wrong.
What if he was autistic? And he can't think about rules in such an abstract way? What if all he knows how to do is to follow the rules, and he's damn glad he found a job that had such a strict structure in place? And then this animal comes along and is pissed that somebody won't play ball with him, so he beats the shit out of him. Where was his empathy and understanding?
If everybody followed the rules, we wouldn't have this problem, much less other problems.
I strongly disagree. The capacity to exercise our judgement is what makes us human, and although it's not in the job description, it's certainly what employers are looking for in workers.
Obviously, I donot condone jumping the counter and force feeding this guy. If he was autistic and incapable of comprehending he was acting like an a-hole, I'd feel bad for the guy. If he was just exercising his power to rain on someone's parade, I'd feel substantially less bad.
If you edit it in under like a minute or something, the asterix doesn't come up so nobody even knows you've edited it, FYI
Sure, it may make us human, and in an ideal society, we'd all be benevolently objective at all times. But, so individuals wouldn't have to worry about that at all hours of the day, we've creates rules and laws. My point comes comes down to "yes, he could've just exercised judgement, but he didn't have to. His "crime" of not bending the rules pales in comparison to what was done to him by OP, and I've stayed up waaay past my bed-time arguing about this because reddit's complicity in OP's story feels primitive. The story seems biased as fuck anyway, so I'm sure there's some parts missing, but even if there weren't, fuck OP and everybody like him that thinks that the cook should've "complied for his own good"
While I understand your view point on this I just have to say that everyone has situations that set them off and make them act at least a little animalistic. Some people..rude fry-cooks set them off. Other people...seeing someone be interrupted in a group conversation and then forcibly making them listen to what the other person has to say is what sets them off. It seems to me in both cases someone is acting in response to someone else being rude and is forcibly trying to make their stance be known.
Sure, but I'm sure you can see the drastic difference between the two examples you've given. In the social instance, the person is using socially agreed-upon strategies and appropriate actions to do something, without actually harming anybody.
In the other, you are laying hands on somebody. Physically hurting them because they didn't do what you wanted them to do.
As a society, we have systems, which consist of not only rules but of protocols in case we need to raise a grievance. In most cases, the "protocol" is to say something, which is not only appropriate, but most of the time, gets the desires result.
This is literally what separates us from the animals. We, as a species, have decided that when somebody doesn't do what we want, we no longer have to physically attack them; we can use words. Talk to the chef, the manager etc. I doubt he would've even have had to even raise a formal complaint; if he followed our "cultured" protocols, he could've easily used words to fix the situation. A few words to the manager would've fixed it, and (this is why I keep repeating that "OP" has obviously told a biased story) chances are that "better" words to the chef would've stopped it from becoming an issue in the first place.
But he went the primitive route. We, as a species, have agreed that we wouldn't do that anymore. Any every time a member of our society does, we all get held back as a culture.
Oh, I completely agree with you there. I am in no way defending the OP here. What he did was not only wrong but incredibly primitive..I'm just saying that everyone has different things that set them off and I, personally, just don't agree with judging anyone or using the harsh words that you did against anyone without having more than one example. For instance, everyone here probably assumed that you're a complete asshole for the way you are talking to this guy but I can't judge you based on that.
There are certain ways to twist anything to fit anyone's agenda, though. For instance, you used autism as a way to drive your point home that maybe that was the reason...however, who's to say that the person who interrupted the group discussion wasn't autistic and doesn't really understand social normalities and manners? I'm not trying to come off rude to you or anything...I'm just saying there are also certain ways to USE those words that separate us from animals in a way that isn't so condescending.
Jeezimus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:15:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He shouldn't have done that... But that is rage inducing af. Power tripping asshole employee for sure. Sometimes pieces of shit fuck with the wrong person.
I fucking love any opportunity that allows me to follow the rules perfectly while some moron gets upset because I refuse to bend the rules for them.
Sometimes, the world doesn't want to spend the time to get to know him and his shitty story. Get your shit together like most of the rest of the world and you won't need to behave like an animal. Tough break, the rules are that way for a reason, and I fucking love being robotic about it. Reddit usually loves it too, there's entire subs about similarly themed retail revenge stories, but it's all about how the story is phrased.
Today, reddit loves the neanderthal. When automation becomes even more commonplace, my time will come, mark my words
sageadam ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A ticket is to make sure the food goes to the right customers. If there's only one customer, why the fuck would you need a ticket to verify ? Part of any job is to have the brain capacity to handle things differently under different circumstances, genius.
Well, if I was that employee, I'd say that I wasn't hired for my customer recognition skills. Maybe he's not so good at recognizing people? Maybe he thought the real customer was outside?
I have a feeling, nobody ever sat down and said to him "if there's only one guy there, give him the food". They must've said to him "the food goes to the ticket holder" though.
Unreasonable? Maybe, it's his right to be unreasonable. He wasn't hired to be making executive decisions such as when to obey the law his employer set forth or not. However, he knows for a fact that technically, he's done nothing wrong if he obey's the letter of the law to the dot...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Jeezimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know why you're being downvoted to hell and back? Your self-righteous, sanctimonious attitude. We get it. You follow the rules. You love the rules. If the rules had a dick, you would deepthroat that thing. Congratulations.
In real life? Not really. But tonight? Fuck yeah, I'd swallow all the rules. OP is exactly the kind of primitive dick that I hate and I'll suck off anything that opposes his bullshit
Jeezimus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OP went to jail. OP deserved to go to jail. No one is saying otherwise.
However, the other guy's behavior was also completely out of line, even if you think he was in the right. Do you really think that his manager would've condoned that behavior? As a result of his actions, he incited extreme anger in a customer by doing what any reasonable person would've been able to tell was a stupid action.
Even if OP didn't react in the way they did, what the employee did was stupid, idiotic, and pretty clearly power tripping. If I was their manager, I would be writing them up for sure.
Regarding your post that you posted only 4 days ago about being terrified about making things "not fun," I'm pointing out that you are doing that right now. You are being a self-righteous asshole. It's why you're being downvoted.
I'm going in on you so hard because you asked me to. I hope you can step back from the situation, take a deep breath, and learn something.
Oh no I appreciate the explanation, but it still doesn't make sense. I feel like you're really reaching to connect my self-righteousness to the "not fun" comment, but let's leave that for a moment...
Let's say he was power-tripping. So what? What law says he can't do that? Do you really want to live in a world where you gotta "watch your mouth"? I would prefer to live in a world where dicks can be outright dicks, out loud using words, as much as they want. Hell, I'd even heavily encourage it as long as in the same world, nobody resorts to physical violence.
Words won't hurt you. Power tripping won't hurt you. It might irritate you, but it won't give you a concussion. I got self-righteous because the thread was heavily swaying to suggest that the kid "deserved" what he got, which is just fucking stupid
this is one of those guys that shoots up his office and we all wonder wtf happened because "he had no record" type things... institutional failure that let him go with no justice served beyond a fucked up quasi street justice beating is indefensible
You know. .... I'm not condoning your actions. But if your story is 100% truthful. .... the little shit deserved it.
I bet he thinks twice before treating people like that again.
This is why I refuse to get involved in a road rage pissing match. That other guy might be an idiot, and I don't feel like dying in my 30s in an accident to prove that I was right. I just say, "Wow what an asshole " and go on my merry way
1075701 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds legal
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:12:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should go to an audiologist.
Ownza ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 17:42:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did you know that there is a thing called veterans court where they get preferential treatment???? Like..seriously.. drug charge? Your a vet, go to a rehab center. boom. bunch missed child support? no jail for you, your a vet!... Your a vet, and managed to get into prison? Released early as long as you go to this rehab center were sending you to!
normal person? you are fucked. off to prison forever for you.
FTC_Films ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:34:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's fair. Veterans court is for minor offences. If you dedicated your life to serving your country, you should get some special treatments besides free pancakes at ihop one day a year. A lot of these vets coming home have some serious mental trauma and they shouldn't be forgotten like they almost always are.
Yeah that's not really how it works. Many courts employ "specialty courts" like drug courts, veteran's courts, etc. that are there to focus on very specific groups of people. This is an effort to rehabilitate. The programs are typically EXTREMELY demanding and time consuming so while they're not going to jail right off the bat, I wouldn't say they're getting off easy.
I only have experience with a Drug Court (used to be a Drug Court PO) but the criteria for acceptance isn't just "oh you have a drug charge" it's strict and they don't accept violent or habitual offenders. So Veteran's Courts are likely aimed at those who came by their drug charges possibly due to PTSD and/or issues that have arisen due to their veteran status.
Also, plenty of them go to jail. Miss a random drug test? Warrant. Jail. Miss your treatment appointment? Jail.
Muerteds ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:26:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No! No one in the military every used percussive counseling on a rock-headed junior enlisted. That's so crass.
Instead, they would order the junior enlisted to percussive counsel themselves. But in the interests of saving time, they would supplant verbal orders with hand signals. And maybe foot signals.
hokeyWB ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:07:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit yes. Just fists, no batons or anything. They were pissed that they had to deal with the local cops. I got a black eye, sore ribs, and eating was painful for a week or so. I got off lightly!
Cjb9012 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How long ago was this roughly
hokeyWB ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He assaulted a fry-cook that wouldn't give him food because he lost his ordering ticket. Completely his fault, and instead of asking management nicely if they could make an exception, he jumped the counter and beat the shit out of some kid
I have no problem with that. As long as no ones getting shot or permanently injured, i believe every dude should get their ass kicked every once in a while (me included) keeps us humble.
That's so fucking primitive. Every head injury could cause permanent damage, every assault could psychologically traumatize someone and have lasting consequences... Try thinking about what you said from the perspective of an even more advanced civilization; you should be ashamed to be so backwards.
Fuck you and your naive bullshit, I'm perfectly capable of learning and being humble without being physically beaten.
But if you get off on it, I'm sure you can find plenty of like-minded folk to whip you and get whipped by you. Collect all your people and go start a village somewhere, and I'll take my "pedantic" people and we'll see which society flourishes.
jesus man, have you been in a fight before? It doesn't have to be some worldstarhiphop type fight man where two drunk idiots are swinging haymakers, fights can even occur without punches being thrown... I'm not saying me and my friends wake up and beat the shit out of each other. I'm more saying that violence is the fastest way to get through to another dude.
Obviously, you can sit and talk... but then your conversation end up like this:
so fucking primitive.
Fuck you and your naive bullshit
These is fighting words my friend, it's clear that brought something personal up and sure I'll apologize for that, but let's be clear: you obviously have some fucking rage that you keep bottled inside of you - and every once in a while a little tussle is good to let off steam.
How is that such a serious offence... This astounds me. Where I'm from they just confiscate your drink and leave you alone Jesus Christ spending a night in jail for such a trivial thing is insane to me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lslarko ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:11:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lslarko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:42:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monopoly roll a double to get out of jail.
DeepRoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes, that makes so much more sense. Thanx for the clarification. You may disregard my questionable correction.
lslarko ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be honest doubie was a pretty amusing idea as well.
DeepRoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, hey, it made more sense to me, considering the situation. :-D
Onyyyyy ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 18:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went through I take with 20 dudes. As we walk down a ling hallway I see some inmates mopping, which I thought was strange because it had to be 3am. As I got closer I could see they were mopping up a 4 foot wide puddle of blood.
My thought was, fuck this lifestyle that got me here and fuck dying here.
[deleted] ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 16:01:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Girion47 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:31:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sup Mitnick
Cooleosis ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 20:29:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Aaaand here we have the mass murderers, the gangbangers, the drug dealers...'
'What about this one?'
'Oh, that's just the DDOSer. Nobody gives a damn about them.'
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:18:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do?
[deleted] ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 17:42:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He kept enhancing.
Gr_Cheese ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:42:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ENHANCE!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He shouldda stopped at level 8
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damnit, first genuine laugh of the day
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:46:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chess with other inmates, chess by mail, college courses by mail, books, TV. Covers almost everything just about. Maybe if you're feeling edgy help a fellow inmate get a few years knocked off their sentence because their lawyer was incompetent and get sent to solitary for unauthorized practice of law.
tarnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should just swivel to PEN testing. Same fun, get paid.
I got caught with marijuana in the mail and had a 6 month sentence. I was in jail for only 45 days with work release where I could be at work for 12 hours a day, and the other 135 days on the ankle bracelet.
Upon entering, it was just a "here we go" feeling. The first couple days were boring but once I got to hit the library and get books plus meet people who liked to play cribbage and bs about sports then it started to feel a little more comfortable. I got out 11 months ago and part of me still misses it in a weird way.
eazolan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got out 11 months ago and part of me still misses it in a weird way.
A K9 smelled it en-route in St Paul. It was being sent to a friend's house and when it came late, the USPS delivery man was part of a local drug task force.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I've never even considered doing this, but like did you have to sign for the package or something? USPS just drops my amazon shit right in front of my door (which to me is annoying) but like what? You really fucked up somewhere.
Well, a friend who I paid to accept deliveries signed for it. There was between 75-100 total over 5 years to multiple houses that never had an issue. Prior to that, only money got lost in the mail. I blame the K9 at a transfer center
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:01:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the idiot who signed for it. I mean, if you don't sign for it you're probably fine. If not, then couldn't I just send drugs to your house until you got caught?
The k9 made you lose the package, the guy who signed for it signed your prison contract
I'd don't have a person experience, but wanted to say there is an amazing podcast called ear hustle that is made by a group of prisoners. It's an amazing look inside what their lives are like and how they got there. It really changed my perspective on some things.
I actually arrived to prison on the day of my 19th birthday. It was kind of scary going in for the first and ONLY time. There's gangs and things, loyalty to what I thought was my family at the time. I had some big ol white pride guy fall asleep on my shoulder on the whole ride there which took about 3 days. When I got there my first initial thought was OHHHH FUCKKKKK & damn, it's my birthday. I only had 30 months to do so it wasn't terrible. The irony was I was also getting out 5 days after my 21st birthday so I had something to look forward to. Walking into reception is pretty nerve wrecking. You might have to fight the second you get there. I didn't have to but getting naked in front of other men was fucking weird lol and I never got completely used to it. All in all those 3 years were a learning experience and I wouldn't change it if I could. Taught me that there IS consequences to your actions and I had to learn the hard way.
Vasconium ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 17:12:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
30 months
"wasn't terrible"
You and I have very, very different definitions of terrible.
I'm an optimist. I've met lifers people who will never see the light of day outside. When you have a date you have a second chance. Yes it sucked but man I had another shot at life and boy did I take it. Yes I've still made mistakes but I got out, got off parole and never went back to that shit hole.
I know where I live in NY you don't do the full amount of time you are sentenced to if you behave and don't get any write ups or tickets, I'm pretty sure a majority of states do the same thing.
I'm very confused. You said you got in on your 19th birthday, got out 5 days after your 21st birthday (2 years), But your sentence was 30 months (2.5 years), and that you were in for 3 years.
YVOVD ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cuz ur me and you know right? Your so dumb you don't just go straight to prison you do time in county then get sentenced then go to prison buddy. My time started when I went to county. I did 6 months there and 24 months in prison you really shouldn't open your mouth if you don't know what your talking about.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good question. No. Just numerous layovers at different prisons during the trip. We stopped and slept at about 3 different prisons during the ride.
trytych ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:25:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for one night due to a missed child support payment. It was my fault, I didn't have the money and I knew there was the possibility but it was nearly a year later and I had continued to make payments. Turns out I had a warrant out because of the missed payment and ended up getting arrested right in the court room during a custody hearing.
I spent hours in a holding cell with two other guys, a dad and son, don't remember why they had been arrested. The kid was late teens/early 20's and just had on a pair of shorts and was shivering. I was dressed up for court so gave him my undershirt to wear. I was quite a bit bigger than him so he looked ridiculous but was a little more comfortable at least. Never got the shirt back but that's ok.
The biggest thing I remember was the smell. It smells like a zoo. Shit, piss, too many animals in a small place kind of stink.
I finally got moved to a cell and met my first friend who was in for making terroristic threats. I felt a little inadequate with my child support charge. I got asked to play poker using little ripped up pieces of cards as chips. They weren't very good at poker and I was winning. I ended up winning someone's breakfast cake (I never did find out what that was). I then started wondering if beating these guys at poker my first night in jail was the best idea so I proceeded to lose quite a bit on purpose.
About midnight I got transported to a different county where my charges had originated from. Had a nice conversation with the officer who drove me there and he let me know that the child support charges wouldn't really affect me down the road at all so that was nice. Got to the new county jail and it was twice as bad as the first one. Guys were in just screaming their heads off, obviously on drugs and mad at the world. It was a bit scary and really sad to see humans acting that way. This new county jail smelled worse than the last.
Slept one night on a something that looked like a large sled because there was only one bed in the room. The next morning my dad and girlfriend showed up and paid the small amount of back child support I still had left so I didn't end up staying in for 90 days. All in all it was a terrible but eye opening experience and I hope to never have to go back.
TL;DR: Jails smell terrible, people act like animals when you cage them, don't go to jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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trytych ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not Wisconsin.
M00NL0VE ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:14:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWhy didnโt I wait until I got home to do that shotโ - I said to myself as withdrawals hit and I had to shit in a room with 6 other people in it.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
-eDgAR- ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 14:18:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for a couple of days when I was 20 years old. I had a bad reaction with drinking and medication and was having a panic attack when my friends called an amulance. The cops came to help EMS and they ended up handcuffing me and carrying me to the ambulance. I ended up biting one of the cops in the leg and was arrested for aggravated battery against a police officer.
I have no recollection of any of this and woke up handcuffed to a hospital bed. I was scared and all I wanted to do was to see my family. Because I was under arrest they couldn't allow that, so as soon as I was cleared they put me in the back of paddy wagon and took me to the police station. I had been arrested before for a misdemeanor and that time I was able to call my mom from holding. I kept asking for it and never got it. They told me I could get one after I was booked into county.
The next day I got to county and while I was being booked I never got a chance to make a call because they shut off the phones and threatened us with pumpkin heads because of someone acting up. One of the guys I sort of befriended named repo reassured me that once we got on deck I could make a phone call. Spent the day sitting in the bullpens waitimg to hear my name called, but it never came. The finally realized that they sort of lost me and stuck me with a random group.
Because the jail was crowded they ended up having us spent the night in maximum security where there was some room. I tried to get some sleep but my cellmate was busy chatting with a member of the same gang as him that was actually in maximum during a period of time they were slowed out of their cells. The entire time all I could think of was my family and friend and how they must hate me. That and how much I misses them.
They moved us out of there the next day and I got stuck waiting in the bullpens again until space opened up for me. It finally did and I got taken to what was to be my cell for however long it would be. What I cared about the most was finally getting to a phone and calling home.
I called my house a few times and no one picked up. I was devastated and thought that my suspicions were true that my parents hated me. You could o oh call landlines and my home phone was the only one I had memorized, so I had no one else to call. I went back to my bed and talked a little with my cellmate. He told me about a trick where you could call a cellphone and leave messages when you're leaving your name, kind of like that old commercial. I decided to call my best friend and try that. I did this a couple of times to leave messages about where I was and during the last one of these, it somehow briefly connected and I heard his voice say, "Hello" before disconnecting again. I felt like crying I was so happy to hear a familiar voice. I decided to give calling home another shot and I finally got through. My cousin had apparently forgotten the phone outside after going out for a smoke so she never heard my call. She let me know that my parents were in the process of bailing me out and I should be out of there soon.
I ended up getting out later that night, but the whole time I was there the only thing going through my mind was my family and friends and how much I missed them.
[deleted] ยท 616 points ยท Posted at 14:54:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edgar: Fjsjcidbcjdif
Cop: hmm why is he acting so weird is he having a panic attack lol
Edgar: *bites cop's leg*
Cop: EY WTF WE GOT A 4 10 OVER HERE GET HIM DOWN HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because.. it might be funny :)?
Amerakee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:44:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, for all the cop knew op had AIDS and just infected him. His choice to get intoxicated, everything after that is a direct result of that. I feel for op, but I don't think the cop was in the wrong
Known_ ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? You think they shouldn't be trained how to deal with people under the effect of legal drugs? He bit him in the leg, clearly not an attempt at assault, directly because of how the police dealt with the situation and he should be treated as a criminal? Americans are fucking lunatics, where's your common sense?
Most people from other countries donโt want to โlastโ there. America is a fine place to visit but not a lot of Canadians/brits I know would want to stay.
Both you and /u/raddaraddo are being silly. The US is fucking huge. It's massively diverse, in terms of people, ecology, and experience.
Known_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
bahahahahahaha cringeworthy.
Amerakee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:44:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have to ask you the same question friend. If you were in the Cop's shoes, and a man who mixed substances by choice bit you after becoming intoxicated and went into something called agitated delirium and bit you, you wouldn't press charges? If you choose to mix drugs, everything you do past that is on you, as you consciously made the choice to abuse them.
To most first responders, (speaking from my own experience FF/EMT), a patient like this is highly suspect to a potential history of drug abuse, which dramatically increases blood bourne pathogens risk such as AIDS. I'm sorry, if an agitated delirium patient bit me, and I won't know for potentially weeks, I'm pressing charges as they chose to inflict those circumstances on themselves.
As for your comment about training cops to deal with these people, we do. The problem is the nature of the job. The cop can't wait at a safe distance until they wear out, they have to subdue them to prevent them from harming themselves or others. But I'm open to constructive criticism and consider myself a reasonable man. If you can create an argument for a better way to train cops to handle this or restrain agitated delirium patients, please do.
Edit: forgot a word and typo fix
Known_ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You make a fair point, but in this situation it's a man having a panic attack under the influence of alcohol and his medication. They chose to handcuff him and take him to the ambulance, instead of say, talking to his friends to figure out what's happening and waiting for him to calm down. It's a very difficult job of course but it's an incredibly important one all the same and I think it should be done by people who actually give a shit.
Amerakee ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree with that. Panic attacks can be terrifying for everyone involved, panic can make you do crazy things man. We also only have Op's perspective on this so it's hard to say one was or the other what exactly happened. I've had Troopers ride with me in the ambo with patients like this. As far as my local Troopers go, they're great, never seen them handcuff somebody who didn't need it. Usually they'll ride along as a precaution though.
combuchan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FFS, he said he had a bad reaction with drinking and medication. You're reaching way more into this laying on him with abusing this and that. You don't even know that he was informed by his doctor of the risks of mixing alcohol and medication--mine certainly haven't. If I were a cop I'd say, hmm, this guy's out of his fucking mind and go from there.
And quit your holier than thou bullshit that it was a choice. I'm 99% sure that the guy didn't have a choice to have a panic attack.
You should learn some restraint when doing your job--you sound like a vindictive dick so maybe FF/EMT really isn't for you.
Amerakee ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't consume alcohol with any mediation honestly, and I think it's fair to argue at this day and age that's common knowledge, but the ones known to cause issues there's no excuse. It's printed on the bottle. He made a bad choice to drink while on medication.
What exactly would you do during "go from there?" As you stated. What exactly do you expect first responders to do when someone is under the influence and violently lashing out (See: Bit the cop).
I'm sorry but the only vindictive dick is you my friend, given you can sum up my behavior as a first responder by a single Reddit comment. Good for you man, you should be a life coach.
You say there's no way for me to know if the doc warned him about alcohol and mediation, that's fair and he should get better doctors if that was the case, but how are you "99% sure the guy didn't have a choice?" Did he state he was coerced into mixing substances? How is it vindictive to say the cop was right pressing charges after being bitten and potentially exposed to a life long and possibly debilitation illness because of it? That's not a guaranteed conviction and is up to the courts who know much more about the situation that we do.
As I said before, I feel for the Op because he was not in control and may not of acted that way if he was sober. But he still drank while on medication, so he's still liable under the law. End of the day, all first responders want to go home safe and sound to their families, that kind of stuff cannot be without repercussions.
And lastly, you're assuming a lot about the guy that the first responders would have no way of knowing.
Maybe it would of gone differently if the first responders had full knowledge of what was going on prior to walking in but we don't always have that luxery depending on the situation.
Edit: fixed formatting and added a line.
Ambralin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:32:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He couldโve still ended up in the same situation and had charges pressed against him had he just been drinking alcohol, or got on a new medication, or maybe had terrible mental health issues and was on nothing.
IMO, a more understanding world is a better one. I think weโve pushed that โpersonal responsibilityโ mindset far enough, and it would be much better to push for more understanding and empathy for our fellow man, especially the mentally ill ones, and while they still may be to blame, we donโt always have to go around pointing fingers, as itโs often counterproductive.
Amerakee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You make a solid point, and I agree, and I wish that was the case. Its a tricky situation, absolutely.
You shouldn't consume alcohol with any mediation honestly, and I think it's fair to argue at this day and age that's common knowledge, but the ones known to cause issues there's no excuse. It's printed on the bottle. He made a bad choice to drink while on medication.
They say this for everything. It's to disclaim liability more than anything else.
Again, you're approaching this from a holier than thou mindset. You're not a cop, you're an EMT/FF. If you want to imply your legal morality on others, go be a cop. Otherwise, your duty should be of care first and foremost.
What exactly would you do during "go from there?" As you stated. What exactly do you expect first responders to do when someone is under the influence and violently lashing out (See: Bit the cop).
Not forcefully assert dominance over somebody that's CLEARLY out of their mind. Keep distance, give them time. If first responders just want to immediately deal with the situation and move on, they're not qualified for their job.
Granted, our society gives them few options. First responders are perpetually understaffed.
The night a good friend of mine almost died in my hallway had I not rendered first aid, he gave me a good slap in my face. It hurt a lot, and if I took your "fuck him" attitude I would have had to deal with the coroner.
You say there's no way for me to know if the doc warned him about alcohol and mediation, that's fair and he should get better doctors if that was the case, but how are you "99% sure the guy didn't have a choice?"
Are you really that dense? Who voluntarily considers a risk of a panic attack with informed consent? They're utterly awful.
Did he state he was coerced into mixing substances?
I'm tired of your "choice" bullshit. People engage in choices when they're fully aware of the consequences with informed consent. This guy obviously was not. If some Godhead said "Oh OP, this will be a bad day for you and you're gonna bite a cop if you engage in this" and the guy still ignored it, that's a fundamental choice.
How is it vindictive to say the cop was right pressing charges after being bitten and potentially exposed to a life long and possibly debilitation illness because of it? That's not a guaranteed conviction and is up to the courts who know much more about the situation that we do.
I think being bitten by a deranged lunatic is something the police should consider as the risk of their work. If they didn't want to take that risk, they shouldn't be a police officer.
If the guy bit the officer with mens rea, the notion of a guilty mind that is fundamental (or once was) to our justice system, the officer would have a fundamental point in pressing charges. But the illegal act was not done out of particular malice aforethought because the man had no potential for thoughts to begin with.
If this was a repeated offense for OP, you'd have a point. No reason to believe this was the case, however.
As I said before, I feel for the Op because he was not in control and may not of acted that way if he was sober. But he still drank while on medication, so he's still liable under the law.
Deferring to the law above human compassion is the first justification for corrupt systems. Lots of atrocities throughout humanity have been 100% legal. The black and white of legal and illegal is not a moral rationale for anything. When humans engage in that sort of blatantly black or white behavior, it's a sign of mental illness, but we accept it in the legal system.
End of the day, all first responders want to go home safe and sound to their families, that kind of stuff cannot be without repercussions.
Again, first responders should first have a primary duty of care, not to punish people when they invariably fuck up.
And lastly, you're assuming a lot about the guy that the first responders would have no way of knowing.
Pot, meet kettle.
Maybe it would of gone differently if the first responders had full knowledge of what was going on prior to walking in but we don't always have that luxery depending on the situation.
If the first responders, yourself included, weren't overwhelmed with the responsibility of doing something when presented with a situation, OP
wouldn't have been fucked by the system.
When I don't know what to do, I wait until I have to do something rather than make a choice I'd regret.
I get that this isn't always quite feasible with liability laws and lack of staffing, but maybe if first responders didn't act without all the information, didn't make assumptions, etc etc this person wouldn't have had charges. You don't handcuff and manhandle the insane, you put them in a padded room to work it out and come back when they're lucid.
Letting the poor bastard writhe around, making sure he didn't asphyxiate on his puke, and keeping watch would have been fine. This is exactly what I did with my friend above.
Amerakee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They say this for everything. It's too disclaim liability more than anything else
Correct, because many mediations react when alcohol is in the bloodstream. The warning is there because it may negatively affect you. If you're the kind of person who would ignore that warning, you must be dense.
You're not a cop, you're a FF/EMT.
Yes, I did state that, and I'm studying to go into law enforcement actually. But you're right, I'm not a cop. Where you're wrong is discounting my experience as a first responder who goes into the similar situations as the officer and EMTs involved in this situation. I can comment because I've seen this type of situation first hand.
Not forcefully asserting dominance over somebody over somebody that's CLEARLY out of their mind. Keep distance, give them time.
In some situations patience is key, in others, a mistake if you wait to long. You do realize that the mixture in his blood stream plus the fact his heart is going wild due to the panic attack potentially could kill him? And even if we're able to tell how much danger he may or may not be in during it, no cop is going to tell anyone that they're not going to restrain someone who is a potential threat to themselves or others, on top of property damage. I have to reiterate, we do not have the full story. We don't know how Op was acting during his delirium, and we can't take a "Holier than Thou" stance to immediately put the officer down after he was bitten and pressed charges. I'm merely trying to provide insight as to why they had to restrain Op.
If one of my patients was lashing out violently, I have to sit in the back of the ambulance within arms reach. They're getting handcuffed for my safety unless they calm down by that point.
The night a good friend of mine almost died in my hallway had I not rendered first aid, he gave me a good slap in my face. It hurt a lot, but if I had taken your "fuck him" attitude, I would of had to deal with a coroner.
Good on you for saving your friends life, really. Not everyone has the calm to do what they need to in that situation and I commend you. Where I take insult is you insinuating that I have a "fuck him" attitude towards the Op or any of my patients and imply I'd go off the deep end and kill them, as a slap in the face escalating to killing the guy is the least believable escalation of force I've heard. Lucky for me and them, that's far from the truth and petty insults aren't any way to discuss anything.
I fail to see how restraining a combative and altered patient is unreasonable. I understand the risks of what I do but that doesn't not mean I have to open myself up to potential injury freely. For your information, I have never had to transport a restrained patient, by the time we've gotten them in the truck they're usually under control and the handcuffs come off, but we have police ride with us as a precaution.
Are you really that dense? Who voluntarily considers a risk of a panic attack with informed consent.
I believe you misunderstood what I said. I never stated he knew specifically how he would react, as that's impossible. Everyone potentially reacts differently to the same medication. I'm starting that he should know that mixing alcohol and medication is a big no no. As I said previously, it's the patient's responsibility to understand what he can and can't do on his medication.
We're assuming a lot about the kind of person Op is. He could be a stand-up community leader who screwed up, he could be somebody that doesn't take care of himself very well, or he could be you're average Joe. We don't know that, so for all we know it could of been a mistake or he said fuck it after a long day and had a drink anyway. I'm not here to debate Op's personality or life style, I'm providing insight as to why it may of happened the way it did.
I'm tired of your "choice" bullshit. People engage in choices when they're fully aware of the consequences with informed consent. This guy obviously was not.
He obviously was not? Well if we go by your example of a "Godhead" with premonition detailing that he'd assault a cop, I'd agree with you. But that's completely unrealistic for obvious reasons (see: wizardry). Life is made up of choices that can be broken up in the simplest way by acting or not acting.
Let's say you're correct and give Op the benefit of the doubt and he was uninformed of the dangers of mixing alcohol with his medication. This means from the time he got it prescribed, he never acted and asked his doctor about it, he act and didn't read the pill bottle, and didn't act to educate himself on what he was putting in his body. Those choices led him to the action of consuming alcohol while on the medication. That choice put him in the situation where he bit a cop.
Do you see where I'm coming from? It is nobody else's responsibility to ensure you do what you're supposed to. Do I think Op is a horrible person and should rot in jail? No, I hope he learned a lesson about being informed and his charges were dropped by the court.
As far as being bitten by a deranged lunatic is something the police should consider as a risk to their work...
As far as your whole response goes, I agree for the most part, but I stand firm that any subject that lashes out and inflicts bodily harm to anyone should be held accountable. It's part of the concept in our justice system called Deterrence. These consequences exist so that someone can't get off scott free just because they were under the influence.
Lots of atrocities throughout humanity have been 100% legal.
Did you just compare human atrocities (genocide, public torture & execution, the dark ages, etc) to restraining a violent patient?
Again, first responders sound first have a primary duty of care, not to punish people who invariably fuck up
I agree, it's part of what we do. But if that fuck up causes bodily harm to others, that person should have consequences. Would your opinion be different if the patient in this story had AIDs and transmitted it to the cop? It's the cops job to decide what to charge, it's courts job to decide to give him a chance if it was just a fuck up and no further harm came of it.
Pot, meet kettle
I'll state this again. I'm not assuming fact. I'm giving insight from the other end of the spectrum that might explain why things happened the way they did. I'm not stating to know what happened, but to offer my experience as a means of understanding and not jumping in on the "Fuck da Police!" Bandwagon.
When I don't know what to do, I wait until I have to do something rather than make a choice I regret.
Again, first responders do not have that option in most cases.
I get this isn't always feasible with liability laws and lack of staffing...
You just answered why we can't always wait. Sometimes we have to act while they're violent because otherwise it will escalate and we'll be in hot water in court and asked "Why didn't you act sooner?"
... But maybe if first responders didn't act without all the information, didn't make assumptions, etc etc this person wouldn't of had charges.
Do yourself a favor. Go join a rescue squad/EMS service. I'm sure your community needs volunteers as badly as everywhere else. Take calls for a few months, and send me a message afterwards with a tally board of how many calls you had all the information on upon arrival, during patient care, transport, and arrival at the hospital.
The simple fact is you won't have all the information, only what is presented to you. The only time you know everything about the patient is during non-emergency transports from medical facility to medical facility. It's part of the job, you don't know everything but you have to do you best with what you have.
... You don't handcuff and manhandle the insane, you put them in a padded room to work it out and come back when they're lucid.
Padded rooms don't exist in hospitals first off, they get put into a room with an unmovable bed and no furniture so they can't harm themselves or others. But please, on the assumption we'd have access to a padded room such as that, explain to me how we'd get a violent patient from the scene to that room without restraining them?
The guy was not in trouble until he bit the cop, he was handcuffed for his and everyone else's safety. These people can have crazy strength, you have to use the advantages you can.
That's exactly what I did with my friend until above.
Your friend, was he overdosing or having a panic attack, or both? I want to make it clear, no two psych patients are the same. What worked for your friend is not a cookie cutter solution and every situation is different.
What good does pressing charges do? If they guy is just having a bad reaction to medication in his own freaking home, is he really a danger to others?
Amerakee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:57:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You've never seen video of somebody who's gone into Excited Delirium have you? And regardless he clearly was violent as he bit the cop. A bad reaction can mean many things, inward and outward. Under the law you're still liable for your actions.
Boy you must be republican, thinking is hard isin't it. If someone is not in a stable state of mind they are not entirely on control of their own actions. We let insane school shooters off easier, but if your having a bad trip, have fun facing the full wrath of the law. Try not to hurt yourself with thinking buddy. I bet you think we need more guns in school teacher hands too, don't you?
Amerakee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:50:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think there was a single constructive argument in that mess of insults. You might want to see your doctor about that focus issue, it may lead to headaches :)
Amerakee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please elaborate on how any of that is stereotyping? First responders go into the situation, see a man who's mixed drinking with mediation, and who's clearly violent. You have to treat every subject as if they have a communicable disease as there is no way to tell until sometimes months after the fact.
and a man who mixed substances by choice bit you after becoming intoxicated and went into something called agitated delirium
Because he absolutely knew they effects of the medication he was given and was completely cognizant of the effects it would have. The last time( and only) time I was perscribed a painkiller, I didn't know the name of the medication and had to google it to learn what it was.
To most first responders, (speaking from my own experience FF/EMT), a patient like this is highly suspect to a potential history of drug abuse, which dramatically increases blood bourne pathogens risk such as AIDS.
All of this.
You have to treat every subject as if they have a communicable disease as there is no way to tell until sometimes months after the fact.
I get why you would act like that, but it doesn't make it not stereotyping.
Amerakee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by "all of this?" As your third quote explains why you have to go in with that mindset.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the stereotyping accusation. Keeping potential risks in mind when you walk into a situation where you will likely never have all the details is what keeps responders safe. Stereotyping, in the sociology definition,
"is a simplified and standardized conception or imaging invested with a special meaning and held in common by members of a group."
Where I disagree with your statement is that I don't walk into a scene and assume anything without reasonable suspicion, rather than walking in as if I knew everything because this is a cookie cutter and routine call. If I adopted that aspect, I wouldn't be very good at my job.
As an EMT, my job is part investigator, part medical professional. If I was dispatched to a male party having a reaction to mixing medication and alcohol, or just having a panic attack, my first question on scene (assuming I have the opportunity to talk to family, depending on the situation) is to ask if this has happened before, what he took/mixed, and what his medical history is. As I stated, we don't know the specifics of what happened, perhaps the family/friends/whoever he was with didn't know much, and maybe the patient doesn't even know he has a communicable disease. If so, myself and any other responders have to go in with that risk potential in the back of our minds.
We are as compassionate as the situation allows us to be. Given Op stated he was violent, I believe it's safe to assume they were right to handcuff him.
Regarding your first quote and response, I'm sorry but I'm blunt on this aspect. If you a patient is taking medication it is the patient's responsibility to be informed about what they are taking. You did the right thing and educated yourself where your doctor didn't. I'm sorry, but ignorance to the potential effects of any medication isn't an excuse in 2018. If it slips your mind to ask your prescribing doctor and you don't want to go through the paperwork that comes with most perscription, a simple Google search will inform you
I get what you're saying but being bit in the leg is assault. I'd rather get punched in the boob than bit in the leg by some stranger. Forget HIV and AIDS. That's a low risk. With someone you don't know, who looks to be under the suspicion of drug use there is a way higher probability of hepatitis B, hepatitis C, herpes simplex virus (HSV), syphilis, tuberculosis, actinomycosis, and tetanus. So yeah. It is assault. Regardless of OP's state of mind. I've worked in a hospital for many years. Protocol for a human bite that breaks skin involves a lot of needles to take precautions because of how filthy the human mouth is. Then he goes to court to assess if he was mentally competent and/or guilty. OP deserves some culpability for their choice to mix alcohol and medication. OP was not a child at the time. OP made an ill advised decision that caused a violent (if not malicious) reaction. Lot's of people hurt other people when they aren't in their right minds. I'm not a fan of the police here. Not at all. But their job isn't to give him a hug and and talk him down from his drug psychosis. Especially when you're not sure if it's an actual medical emergency and he needs to get to the hospital. It's to make sure he/they/the ambulance employees/the workers at the hospital are safe.
Also if he was handcuffed it means, even though it was a panic attack, it was manifesting in a way where he was at risk of hurting himself and attacking others. Which is obviously what happened. If he hadn't have directly assaulted them as soon as he was calmed down and cleared by a doctor, he would have been no longer restrained (it would have been hospital restraints, not handcuffs).
I just can't believe you don't consider a human bite assault? Hell, I have been bitten and scratched by a plethora of animals and I wasn't nearly as worried from infection as I was the time a toddler broke my skin in a bite. And that was a toddler I'm fairly certain didn't have hepatitis. I have to take fricken antibiotics for a week and I still got a bit of infection. The human mouth ain't a joke. For real.
It was OP's bad luck that they got stuck in a busy station during a busy time and it took a few days to get bailed out.
Ambralin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But their job isnโt to give him a hug and and talk him down from his drug psychosis.
Honestly, it should be their job, at least when dealing with someone either mentally ill or suffering from some sort of bad drug trips.
IMO, we will create a better world by attempting to be more understanding towards our fellow man, instead of pushing that โpersonal responsibilityโ mindset so hard.
Known_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:30:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
we will create a better world by attempting to be more understanding towards our fellow man
Sure but you don't understand context. Walking up and biting someone on the leg and have what was roughly a seizure and biting someone on the leg that was manhandling you are entirely different.
That's entirely inaccurate. Police are given discretion on how they make arrests. That cop didn't have to arrest him, but he did. That was his choice and he did technically nothing wrong by doing it, but it still makes him an asshole.
lol maybe because the guy was having a panic attack and any compassionate human being worth their salt can tell when a person is going through that, especially due to the fact that its a cop. its not like he tore his artery off and ripped his flesh right out of his leg lol like why even handcuff the guy in the first place instead of just talking to him. scandinavian cops are more like armed psychologists while american cops are wannabe soldiers lol. probably one of the reasons we're statistically better in every way <3
also rofl for generalizing "europe" a place with like 100 countries with different laws, languages and comparing it to one single nation. it's like you americans think europe is one big country
I'd bet money Scandinavia doesn't have a drug problem like the U.S. does. I'd bet you've never seen someone having a bad trip on drugs like Meth or speed or shrooms or LSD.
I'd bet if you were bit in the leg by someone tripping in Scandinavia, you wouldn't be worried about whether or not that person has HIV or any other disease that can be passed via a bite.
And like it or not, as compassionate as you want to be, he was lashing out and attacking others (he bit a fucking cops leg). That officer is also responsible for the safety of EMS and paramedics that
also responded, so letting him "work it out on his own" isn't going to fly.
That just proves my point even more how fucked up america is. thanks. and the guy wasnt lashing out and attacking anyone lmao, he got arrested and panicked and did the only thing he was able to do in terms of self defence
Is Scandinavia that fucked that biting someone's leg isn't "lashing out and attacking someone"?
By the way, in ANY country, fighting back after you've been arrested (in his case, biting an officers leg) isn't self defense. It's physically resisting arrest. But hey, I'm sure that facebook law degree you got taught you a lot.
Lets use our brains like normal, non-american people to think through the scenario, m'kay?
Guy is having a panic attack. Cop tries to arrest him. Cop handcuffs him. Guy still hasn't attacked anyone yet. Guy is in total panic mode and his primal instincts are turned on, he's no longer an individual in a society but just an animal trying to escape. Guy is most likely on the ground or in some awkward position with the cop's leg inches from his face. Guy bites cop. How could this situation have been avoided? What law had he broken that warranted an arrest before biting the cop?
Like I said, cops should be trained to handle situations where a person is freaking out, like they are in most developed countries. But what you say is true, you never know if someone is just an amped-up meth head or something similar which is pretty fucked up to begin with because that issue doesn't even exist in most of europe. So what is the conclusion? I don't know, but USA sucks.
Guy is having a panic attack. Cop tries to arrest him.
There's that facebook law degree in action.
The cop wasn't arresting him for losing his shit. He was detaining) him, because he was losing his shit.
EMS was onsite. Like it or not, the police have to protect EMS while they do their jobs. Agree with it or not, it doesn't matter. It's going to happen, that's why in several countries, it's standard that when someone is tripping balls, police are also dispatched with EMS to protect EMS.
Cop handcuffs him.
As he is legally allowed to do to protect himself and EMS
Guy is in total panic mode and his primal instincts are turned on, he's no longer an individual in a society but just an animal trying to escape.
And? It doesn't matter. You "being in panic mode" when EMS is responding to help you and you lashing out and throwing shit around at them, doesn't give you a legal excuse to harm others
Guy is most likely on the ground or in some awkward position with the cop's leg inches from his face. Guy bites cop.
Which is why guy goes to jail for battery on a police officer. He could've bitten EMS, he could've bitten a nurse, it doesn't matter. He BIT someone.
How could this situation have been avoided?
By not mixing alcohol and a medication. He willingly drank, while willingly ingested medication. It doesn't matter if he's stupid, if he forgot, or if he didn't give a fuck. He still willingly did it, leading to his current state of impairment.
What law had he broken that warranted an arrest before biting the cop?
He wasn't under arrest. He was legally detained, as he would be in many other countries, not just America. But seeing as he bit the cop, he then is under arrest.
Like I said, cops should be trained to handle situations where a person is freaking out, like they are in most developed countries.
And they are. But because you want the cop to run over and hug the guy on a bad trip for an hour, doesn't mean it's safe for him or EMS around him, or practical.
He chose to escalate the situation, causing him to be placed in handcuffs to prevent him for harming EMS who was simply there to get him in an ambulance and off to the hospital. But when he chose to become a danger to others (again, it doesn't matter if he was under the influence or not), the police's hands are tied.
Just because you want them to just go "Oh, well, just let him come down from his trip in a few hours" doesn't mean it's safe for the guy tripping, or the people around him. EMS can't refuse to help someone. As soon as his friends or family called 911 for medical attention, EMS's hands are tied.
Sorry the world doesn't fit your kumbaya feel good feelings. At the end of the day, he bit someone. Had OP been a drug user who did have HIV or any other disease, that's even more fucked if he bit a cop or EMS who was simply doing their job because someone called them there.
cops are actually supposed to be able to tell when someone is having a panic attack when that person is intoxicated
Bullshit.
lol he bit him but didn't caus-
Biting can transmit AIDs and other diseases through a lot less than a arterial breech. Source: The entire fucking medical field since such people as Florence Nightingale.
lol why handcuff
Reread OP's story and take a guess.
lol Scandinavian cops are armed psychologists.
M'kay.
lol American cops are wannabe soldiers
Nice generalization. As someone with both in my family: Fuck you.
lol we are statistically better.
Is that why some right-winger felt things were so bad he beheaded the leftist power in Norway with a single strike? lol "better" Is that why Sweden is going to be a less developed nation by 2050? Is that why Sweden has "gangs of armed teenagers and bombings of police stations?" lol "better"
Scandinavian countries are also more white than the United States. Did you take that into consideration? They are also not a superpower.
I sure wouldn't want you to be proving that ethnic centrism is a valid political outlook <3
When you resort to these kind of response its obvious to everyone you have given up defending your position and are just now attempting to try and side track the conversation in an attempt obfuscate the fact that you're getting trounced in an argument. Kind of sad actually.
Seany_P ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:26:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's because he was heavily altered to the point where he couldn't even control himself. He was handcuffed for the safety of the people trying to help him, It has nothing to do with "feeling powerful"
If they actually cared they wouldn't have pressed charges for the bite knowing it was a bad reaction to medicine
stapler8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how this works. Police will press charges because it's not their job to determine whether a person is responsible for their actions or not. That's the job of a court.
So when a drunk driver kills a pedestrian, they shouldn't be arrested/charged? You're an idiot.
Seany_P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really doesn't matter if he was aware of what he was doing or not, that's for the court to decide. EMS's job is to keep the patient safe from himself, the police's job is to keep EMS safe from the patient. He managed to assault and officer while cuffed and could have done much worse if he was loose.
That isn't valid in any way. Someone having a panic attack doesn't need to be arrested.
Nor do cops need to arrest someone in order to charge them later, there used to be this wonderful thing call an "investigation".
Cops really need to be reigned in. There was absolutely no reason to assume OP would flee or even assume guilt. And they should have been able to figure out something before he even woke up in the hospital.
They were purposely being punitive and that is corruption.
dennisi01 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:59:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They arent going to give you an automatic pass for biting or hitting a cop because you were intoxicated. That would have to be sorted out by lawyers.
I think a part of it is that being a cop is scary. This person is acting insane and are a threat to everyone at the moment. Knowing the context it feels unnecessary, but the cops might not have had that much context and only saw someone who was insane enough to be biting them.
You realize you can be detained for 48 hours without cause, right? Also if you resist being detained, and discover you did nothing wrong, you can be arrested for resisting arrest.
ThebocaJ ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:20:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can be detained for 48 hours without being formally charged. If you're detained for literally no reason, that's a civil rights violation, and you can sue whatever organization is detaining you.
But there's never no reason. It's always because they smelled alcohol on your breathe or they say the dog smelled drugs, but only the interoperate the dog. Those are pretty much impossible to disprove.
ThebocaJ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not impossible. Bring your dashcam footage that belies the police testimony; subpoena the police bodycam and dash cam footage that shows you driving perfectly straight; have a witness in the car who testifies that they were with you all night and that you didn't have a drop of alcohol; pull a history of arrest records for this officer that shows they have a pattern of detaining motorists based on statements that they "smelled alcohol" where the charges could not later be substantiated with quantitative testing.
You can sue police departments for civil rights violations, and people do so successfully on a regular basis.
All they have to have is reasonable suspicion you are doing something wrong. Even without probable cause or a warrant. Even dropping anything around police is consider reasonable suspicion.
Not true. The threshold of reasonable suspicion only applies to certain things like DUI stops. Probable cause would be needed for most everything else.
gaviidae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, you're wrong. You're intentionally misunderstanding to make your point. He obviously didn't mean 0 excuse, it's clear he was saying NO GOOD EXCUSE. As in, no excuse that can hold up in court... no legal excuse.
gaviidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said without cause. He didn't even say you only needed very little cause or suspicion.
I think you meant to say murica of course that happened.
Blazing1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know someone who got an attempted murder charge for this sort of thing. He was having a mental break down and called the emergency number on himself. They still fucking charged him even though it was their fault, and ruined his life.
He would have been better off not seeking help. We can talk about mental health as much as we want but we're still ruining people's lives.
_mainus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be living under a rock. You know that whole NFL kneeling protest thing? It's about police brutality. There are hundreds of stories of police officers KILLING people for doing things like this person did, or less even.
siouxftw ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:33:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get a strange vibe from you, all your posts and you seem to have a crazy story about any topic.. Obviously maybe I'm wrong but I'm calling bs
-eDgAR- ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:12:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could only call landlines? How long ago was this? Surely they don't still have this restriction as who the heck has landlines anymore?
It's so insane that they make a simple phone call so difficult. You'd think they'd want people to get bailed out to retrieve the overcrowding, but apparently not since they make it so hard to communicate.
-eDgAR- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:17:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if it's still like that, but this was about 10 years ago. I'm.hoping they changed that because I imagine it would be much harder now that most people don't even have a landline
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a guy named mike. Went by dirty mike. Had himself a crew a boys.
Caitini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Updoots for all of you in this post lol โค๏ธ
MSpicer01 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:45:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is just a shitty hotel experience. Prison is different.
The first 3 or 4 days are kind of a blur. I wondered if my girlfriend was going to wait for me which was completely unrealistic. I thought about suicide a lot, and to be honest... even looking back, it wasn't a bad option. It still isn't a bad option. It's hard answering this question without writing a couple thousand words to create the environment to even begin to understand what you could be feeling.
Got a dui the day before I would start my last semester before nursing school. I had to spend a night in jail until I could bail out and get to my fist class. My first thought was " I just lost my shot at nursing school". Which I did, I also lost my license for a month. So I had to get a ride from a classmate. We would start dating shortly after and now we are married. I've since got sober and we now have a child. Things worked out strangely enough... Don't drink and drive!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:08:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They kept my license till I went to court like the next week, which is when they suspended it. Given me enough time to meet my future wife in microbiology.
It was a wake up call in my life. I was drinking a lot after I was discharged from the military. It was definitely a learning experience. And I had to pay something like 2k in fines, go to AA meetings, and go to a class to watch intervention for like 10 weeks.... Which I had to pay $50 every class. Glad I quit drinking!
[deleted] ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was the shocking realization that police brutality is as bad as Hollywood and the media make it out to be. In processing before I actually got to the facility there was this girl with a weave in her hair, and they asked her to take it out, she said with attitude that she couldn't because it was glued in. The officer without even thinking twice grabbed her neck with one hand and weave with the other and ripped it out, and I saw her scalp come up and there was blood all trickling down her back (head is highly vascular).
Then someone taking a shit where I was trying to sleep.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:36:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She screamed, lots of profanity, pulled race card, she did it bursts over what seemed like forever and eventually just sat down in the uncomfortable plastic chair and cried with her head cupped in her hands. I felt so bad for her. It really is horrible what some people can do to others. I just don't like how others justify such things.
That's awful. The poor, poor girl. No matter what she did, to have her hair torn violently from her head like that has to be one of the most dehumanising things someone can experience - even if it was a weave. Did they really need to do it? On some level, did they enjoy doing it? Sometimes I question the brutality I read about in the American policing system.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:27:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if they enjoyed it, or if they'd been on the force years and it was just another day to them where they were taking the necessary action.
What I can say though is that unfortunately most humans do have a sadistic side, even if they don't realize it, so who knows.
I question the brutality I read about in the American policing system.
This is no longer the policing system. An important distinction.
Did they really need to do it?
Depends on your definition of need I guess. They deal with this day in and day out. They have families they want to get back to at the end of the day. I'd imagine treating the inmates like humans can be very dangerous when your prison system is extremely overpopulated.
Pretty sure that is some form of assult/ bodily harm. Just because you are in prison doesent mean you aren't a fucking human. That cop should of been charged and lost his job.
Fuck. Iโve read a ton of these and the damn roaches did me in. I would be a basket case and never sleep. Nasty.
chi22ko ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:12:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just one night, alone in a cell, in another country. I just started to laugh uncontrollably till I went to sleep. It took me a couple weeks to realize what had happened
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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chi22ko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to hate on Kent county jails. My ex was arrested with a sprained neck and not given her meds (for psychological issues). After that I showed up at the jail with my lawyer. She was let out 2 days later when she was sentenced to 6 months.
eazolan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:27:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, this is about most of my time in jail (it certainly didn't count as prison), since "first day" of 30 hours is basically everything. This was years ago now.
I made a mistake, and I had a fistfight with a family member over chores, and a third family was too scared that one or both of us would turn on #3 to break it up themselves, so called the cops. Something like half the department showed up and I was kinda shocked, since there were no weapons involved, about how seriously they treated things in a small town that I'd seen handled by 1-2 cops in a large town. I was a bit too numb and already too self-hating at this point to really reflect on that.
I spent 12 hours laying down, staring at a wall (I am a high-intensity person who always needs at least one something to focus on; this is a bad combination with jail), before urinating for the first time. During this entire time, my cell mates (none of whom were accused of anything so minor as misdemeanor assault) are laughing and joking, watching TV and playing poker for consumables. Then I went back to the wall.
I didn't sleep, and I didn't eat (they couldn't give me anything with ingredients on it and I have nasty allergies). I was really convinced that my life was over because I'd made a mistake. For the first and last time in my life I might have actually qualified as suicidal, but that would have been impossible if I'd had the energy to act on it.
It's a much more minor mistake than that, no one was seriously hurt, but that feeling got me to accept and thank the judge for unsupervised probation and some anger counseling. I would thank her again if I knew how to approach her without either interrupting court or making her afraid I'd turned my (now very well controlled) anger on her - she deserves it. Saw right through the situation and asked me all of 3 questions beyond the plea before basically giving me the minimum. Saw through me, too. I swear she realized just how much simply getting arrested had shaken me and was rolling the dice that I'd never show up in her courtroom again if she did what she ended up doing.
Fucking horrible experience for irrational and personal reasons, but fucking worked.
Lactiz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A letter, or your lawyer could do the job without causing trouble. I don't know much about Your country, but movies/series show them chit-chatting before court. Especially in other hearings, not connected to assault.
Oh, probably. There was actually a scheduling mishap with the anger management stuff and I was called into court on the same day I was to start the therapy program (three or four weeks after my 30 hours in jail) to answer as to why I "wasn't complying." My lawyer at the time tracked down the prosecutor and told him, then the judge had one question, and after I answered it was like, "well, go. Don't be late for that because of me." (it was in like an hour)
"I'm such a fucking idiot" I was 19 and had a party at my house while my mom was out of town. Got minor in possession, contributing to minors and paraphernalia. I had gotten 60 hours of community service. Did 50 and didn't do the rest. Those 10 hours turned into 10 days in county jail. I was in the minimum security section so had to do chores all day. That first day they had me clean out the visiting rooms in the men's section of the big jail. The way they were set up anyone in the jail could walk by and see me. I was a 5'6 120 pound girl and had these scary guys screaming the most disgusting things at me for hours. It was terrifying and depressing. I felt like I was in an episode of scared straight. Also the first dinner was a tortilla with some blob of gray goo in the middle. Was it beans? Was it meat? Who knows. It was unlike any taco I've ever seen. I let someone else have my tray. Learned my lesson. Never got in trouble again.
Here, the men never see the women except for coming in & being released. The guys say the most insulting and disgusting shit. If you're even wearing shorts on your way out, they get something from the "clothes closet" to cover you up.
Jeralith ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:10:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been, but my SO got to see the inside of our local jail about a month ago. He has told the story at least 100 times... Anyway, he had been picked up Saturday morning around 2am. For whatever reason the two in-processing people called in leaving people who didn't know a thing to deal with the mob of folks in the holding cell. My SO spent 36hrs in the holding cell. He said he sat there and thought about literally everything. The boredom was overwhelming. He is the classic "white dad who wears cargo shorts and socks with sandals while he cooks out" type and was doing his best to not draw attention to himself.
People he met/saw:
Truck driver with 18 bails
Biggest black man ever afraid everyone else was going to gang up and kill him. He would preach about God one minute then start screaming for help the next. He got taken away.
Guy puking every 30min from withdrawals.
A "I work for the mob" wannabe who offered to "bail out" my SO.
Another black man who beat down a white nationalist who had been ranting for 30+ minutes about being "in the same room as all these dirty N-words" They both got pulled out of the room, only the black guy returned and was looking rather smug.
A few people who could actually eat jail food and used the "rape is not a part of your punishment" handbook to sleep on the floor.
Jeralith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DUI. He has a buddy who works for a craft beer bar. It was normal for him to take his buddy dinner, hang for a few hours, have a few beers, and go home a few times a week. The cops were waiting around the corner from the bar and stopped him for "improper lane change."
What gets me is he was picked up in MY truck with MY wallet and not once do I get a call about it. I get a damn letter on Wednesday about my truck being in impound. I had gotten it out Monday...
I'm 60/40 on believing he wasn't drunk, but also know that craft beers have a wild range on alcohol content. All it would take is him drinking the wrong few beers. He's an otherwise responsible adult and a genuinely caring person. Just did the one stupid thing.
Got picked up wandering around after curfew when I was 12 and lied to the police officer about my address. He didn't like that very much and took me and my friend to jail. Literally locked us in a cell while he called my parents and they came to pick me up.
I thought that I was going to be in prison forever and was bawling by the time my dad came. My dad and the police officer thought it was hilarious by this point.
"can't believe I got caught". Then I met my cellmate who albeit nice and polite and in a general holding area(meaning he was well behaved) had killed 5 people in a psychotic episode 20 years ago. I was in for selling weed.
DaMmOn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:27:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Shinga33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blows my mind that selling weed will get you booked with a murderer.
He had served a long stretch already and giving that they had him in the low security area he obviously wasn't a threat to anyone and probably on his meds consistently for years. Still tripped me out though lol
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:19:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weird coincidence that he ran into people from high school o the other side of the country I bet he was happy to see them! I was trained when I was younger and I have a couple friends that are trained to a semi pro level. Your right your not always the strongest just because your a pro, but being the strongest is rarley important. Also it will Most likely put you in the top 5% of people there. Most people that are trained are just More comfortable with the fact that they might get into a fight. Also most people that are trying to mess with the new big guy are rarely fighting for their lives.
Went to prison for 27 months. I had a 12 hour van ride to get to the facility, so we ended up getting there at like 11PM.
Show up at the front gate in handcuffs. Paperwork changes hands. I get uncuffed from the escorts and cuffed by the intake guards. Taken to a room next to the opening guard shack where I proceeded to answer a few pages worth of questions in front of three people who were doing my intake. Got told to get naked and take a shower in front of a guard. All of my belongings (my clothes, a small address book they allowed me to have with contact info for lawyers, family and friends, etc., and my person) were thoroughly searched. I was given one set of prison clothing and told that I would get more the next day, as I was showing up so late that everything was closed. I got escorted to a cell that had a single bed, the classic toilet/sink combo, and the prison rulebook. I was told to read it, then go to sleep and I would get more information tomorrow.
As far as what went through my head? Honestly, a simplistic calm. I knew that I was going to jail, and I knew that I was gonna be there for a while, so I tried my best to not get worked up or anything. I knew that the guards were there doing their job, and I didn't wanna try to walk in there like I was the biggest badass that ever was, because I definitely was not. I knew that my behavior in the first few days would determine how my time went, and I ended up just staying fairly quiet and keeping my head down. That was the right answer, apparently. My time wasn't terrible.
You really arenโt sure whatโs going to happen. You will be bored out of your mind until youโre released. If youโve been to jail before, you just know one thing. Its going to fucking suck.
Does it count if I went but didn't stay?
For example I visited my mom at least once a year when she was in prison.
When I was younger it was a blast (For me) it was an all female prison and I was a cute kid with a chubby face the prisoners would argue over who got to hold me first and stuff like that.
It's also terrifying when I would leave with my grandparents because I was too young to understand that I couldn't just take my mom with me
hype8912 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well how can I get out of here before I'm considered AWOL by the Air Force
โThis is bullshit...I donโt belong here. I just want to go home.โ
I was pulled over for speeding (shame on me) and the cop ran the plate for the car while I failed to provide registration and proof of insurance(this was my girlfriendโs vehicle) To my knowledge, the plate has been the same ever since it was brought from the DMV to the car and screwed on. Well, he puts me in cuffs and tells me Iโm being arrested for possession of stolen property, referring to the license plate. No matter what I said, he kept telling me that I was in possession of it regardless if I knew of it or not, and that I had to go to jail. So yeah, I was put in jail, thankfully for just one night, for being the victim of a crime.
As for what it was like in jail, it was miserable. I was put into a large room with a bunch of 3 layered bunks. I had the top bunk thankfully. I couldnโt sleep...the guys snoring in there sounded like rockets taking off with every breath. I couldnโt even think about anything other than how I just wanted to be home with my SO, who was losing her shit when I spoke to her for my phone call.
Put in jail for a day for defending my little brother who was getting bullied. Spent a day in lockup thinking that it wasn't fair and that my life was over. Lucky for me was that several students and teachers were on my side when they gave their witness reports. Still had to do community service.
Yes it was 40 hours total. I just did them and that was that. I'll tell you though, the No Tolerance Policy is trash. My brother was being jumped by three freshmen and I wasn't going to stand-by. I don't care if I wasn't initially involved. I would have done it again if it happened again and I still would have thrown the first punch. It's just a lazy bureaucracy to punish kids for standing up for themselves or others.
mxxy69 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I hope my vagina looks okay"
Have to bend forward, open cheeks (not really cuz I'm thin), and cough to make sure there are no drugs in my pussy.
iman_313 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did it look okay? Haha
mxxy69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I hope so. It looks normal and I made sure to shave haha.
Ms_Nutmeg ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:58:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I have a story for this one.
I was 8 months pregnant when I went to jail for bitch slapping the now ex boyfriend/babydad. He had been accusing me of cheating on him, guilty conscience and whatnot on his end. He called the police, and when they showed up, they could see that since I had locked myself in the bedroom and he was screaming at them to take me away, that there was more to this. They were really cool about it, we had a 30 minute drive to the county jail, where I was living at the time didnโt have a lock up or drunk tank.
I was terrified. I was 400 miles away from family, I was 18, and I was pregnant, and I had no idea what was going on. I tried calling everyone I knew that might know someone close that could maybe come get me or see what was going on, and eventually called my parents. While I was freaking out, calling everyone else, babydad had told my parents that they needed to call me at our apartment. When they did, he told them I had gone to the city to stay the night with a friend. They knew something was fishy, called where I worked and talked to the girls there, they said they didnโt know anything, they had seen me earlier in the day and thatโs all they could really give my parents to go on. I know when I finally called them, it was relief that I wasnโt dead somewhere, but I will never forget calling them, and my dad on the other end of the phone, screaming โWHY ARE YOU IN JAIL????โ
Bless them, they drove all night across the state in order to come get me out of jail. I spent the night crying, a lot of the women in the pod had realized something was up and went mama bear after finding out I was pregnant and just bitch slapped the dude. I didnโt sleep, all I could think about was I had no idea what was going on or what was going to happen. The next morning, I was released on a PR bond. I had to call my brother to get a hold of my parents, and I made the decision then to pack my shit and leave there. Took all three of us maybe 45 minutes to gather my things out of the apartment, and when the last box was packed up, he showed up with his mom. He threw a fit, and we just drove off. Made a visit to the Stateโs Attorney, though, to make sure that I would be okay going home, he told me that I was booked on simple assault, and that heโd drop the charges with prejudice. Almost 11 years later, Iโm glad things happened the way they did. It wasnโt even a full night, but when youโre 18, pregnant, and far from home, itโs more than what you want to do.
TLDR: went to jail 8 months preggo at 18 for a bitch slap, cried a lot, got out the next day.
berthejew ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:41:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail pregnant too, for a similar incident. Only he punched me, so I spit the blood he drew back in his face. Booked and released with charges later dropped, but it was:
TwixOps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She did hit him... Being 8 months pregnant does provide some explanation, but it doesn't excuse the actions any more than hitting someone while drunk would.
This is why we rely on prosecutorial discretion; to account for those situations where one might be technically guilty of a crime but common sense dictates they shouldn't be charged.
I threw a coconut to my friend in his apartment. I missed, it went out of the window and cracked a guy on the noggin, knocking him out, then bounce off and buried itself in his windshield
"I missed court, it was a mistake, I don't belong here!"
Not that being a girl always dictates these things but yes in my case, it did. I was a little fucking girl about it. It was a long holiday weekend. Picked up on Friday, Judge wouldn't be in until Tuesday afternoon. Each day my weeping weakened. I tried to stop but couldn't seem to shut it off. That is, until one of the women down the block shouted "SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LITTLE BITCH."
I choked back my tears as my cell mate rolled over, a women on her 8th DUI, 6th in one state, this was her 2nd in Pennsylvania. I couldn't help but think she looked as if she was detoxing off heroine or something of the sort.
"You keep crying like that they are gonna take all your clothes."
"Why would they do that?" I whimpered.
"Suicide watch." she replied.
By the second day they were giving me crushed up pills, but wouldn't tell me what they were. I was so fearful of them taking my clothes, I asked once and decided to not ask anymore. I had nothing, no bra, no deodorant, soap, toothpaste. I refused to relieve myself unless it was lights out because I could see the guards TVs could see me at all times. Relaxing enough to do anything was not an option.
Finally, I got to leave. The process to leave was the same to come in. Booking and release was one side men. Other side women. Washrooms facing each other. They stripped me naked and hosed me down while I could see men watching me from the other side.
This was all because I missed court for a drug charge. A drug charge resulting from making an illegal right turn on red. Having my car searched. Being charged with possession of less of a gram of weed.
And this is the jail with a good reputation.
rizaaroni ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:03:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We seriously need a fundamental shift in our country's way of thinking. Just doesn't make sense to subject people to this when there isn't even proof of wrong doing or have being sentenced. Especially for something so petty.
Sorry you had to go through this.
burtra12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. The state turns people with substance abuse problems into criminals. Itโs not moral and it isnโt helping anyone; ESPECIALLY the people who are using.
I point out weed though namely cos itโs so obviously ridiculous to take someone to jail over having it. Itโs not harmful and it was only made illegal in the first place due to propaganda
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not on that one.
The issue goes beyond police though. Bad laws, bad public opinions, policing based on statistics (i.e. # of arrests), etc. Maybe the police are the last line of defense and if they collectively said they wouldn't enforce such laws, we'd be ok. However, that is just a pipe dream. Need to start changing the laws, classifications of some substances and work to handling everything better. E.g. treatment for addicts and a view that they need help vs punishment, cannabis being equal or better than alcohol and treat as such, etc.
More on the situation:
"Probable cause" if there is no cam.. It's whatever the officer perceives it to be. Probable cause is a bitch and extremely subjective. I didn't go to jail that night. I was released ROR. I missed the court date in relation to the incident far beyond that night. Yes, my fault, I was young, dumb and.... irresponsible. My mom got the letter and never told me.. But that's absolutely no excuse. You get arrested. You go to court. You stay on top of it. Well, yea.. I learned my lesson. However, the initial night of the charge docs where drafted and at the court date I did finally show up to...I was given papers. These were reports from the arresting officers. Apparently their probable cause was smoke smell, but this was likely cigarette smoke. I didn't know I had weed in my car. I was a smoker, yes. I know "I thought" there was not weed in my car because I was on my way to get weed. My first inclination was that my passenger ditched it and it was hers, and I do still think this, but it's of no importance now. Anyway, there was no way they smelled so little of an amount with no K-9 unit. It was a lie. I explicitly told them to get a warrent. They did not. To boot I was not read my Miranda rights but lol...unless you have A/V proof or an extremely talented lawyer good luck using that as a defense.
Oh yea. I am worlds away from where I was. But I would never undo it. I appreciate all I have seen, just or unjust. I feel deep love for life now. I had to see hell first. If my past was a buzzfeed countdown this wouldn't even rank this on my worst life situations. I now start to weep when I think of all I have endured, all I have conquered. Happy tears. I have overcome. I should be dead. I love this world. I am alone, and feel love every day. My heart is full, and my only sorrow is that I cannot pass it out to share with others. That it is their own path that needs to be walked to find this feeling I have fully realized. It's hard. So hard. I just wish I could help.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
youngrb ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 19:51:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My business failed some years ago, and it was a rough ending made rougher because we bounced some checks. I truly thought I had covered all of them, and to my surprise I was arrested at the gym while working out on a bad check warrant from three years back. It was livestreamed on YouTube, my son caught it, and got friends and lawyers in play rapidly. (Although, I did not know this at the time.) But, I still had to be processed, and several things stood out both during and after the process:
1) The system is remarkably inefficient. It took me 4-5 hours to get to the jail, and 5-6 hours to be processed to the point where I could be released.
2) Immediately, I could tell that I was being treated differently. I am white, educated, lucid, and well-spoken.
3) The system preys on people who can least afford to be preyed upon. Charging outrageous sums for phone calls, for example, when people in jail need more outside contact and support, not less.
4) Police and administrative personnel experience a range of treatments from those they are serving, with most people resigned and just figuring out what to do. But, there is more than a small share of disrespect towards them, and vice-versa.
5) I was with a pod of a dozen people being processed before I finally got called out. Most of the people did not need to be there. In general, they were in one or more of three groups:
a. Minor drug offenses (pot, PI)
b. Failure to appear on something stupid (pot, car registration or traffic citation)
c. Larger issues (theft) that in this sample were all related to drug use
d. One person settled a fight with his in-law with a 2 x 4, but seemed pretty OK otherwise
6) The system does little to help the people it should be serving. On the categories above, it seems like this approach would be better for all:
a. Stop arresting people for pot. Get people help if they have a persistent drinking problem.
b. Make the administrative process for things like this easier. Donโt arrest people because they are hand to mouth anyway and didnโt have the $65 for their registration, and then when they got pulled over had no idea how to deal with the system. Help them learn to deal with the system.
c. Drug rehab. I am not saying it works all the time, but it is a start to helping someone reclaim their life. The issue is not that they are thieves. The issue is their habit, which they canโt fix alone.
d. I donโt know about this one.
e. The theme is that government should be helping those who need help, even when they make stupid choices.
7) Pro tips:
a. I didnโt know any phone numbers. Sure, I could make a call. I remembered one number, that of my wonderful ex-wife who lives out of state. Her number has stayed the same since before the smart-phone era. I called her, and she told me help was already on the way.
b. When asked if you have been exposed to TB, if you can answer โyesโ honestly, as I can, say so. You donโt go in with the others.
8) Funny observation:
a. I was tasked to proceed on my own, in prison garb (I bathed in Lysol on returning home) from a medical intake room to some other room around the corner and down a long hall, I thought, as I turned the corner to stare down this featureless, windowless, soul-less hall โoh my God this place looks like a prison.โ
9) Political observation:
a. This did not happen in jail, but in the months afterwards: I became a liberal advocate of social programs, pretty much abandoned my political party, and started reading with new sympathy the issues of Latino and Black citizens I had been too quick to dismiss.
10) The charges were dropped. I had a lawyer. If it had been any of my cell-mates without the system of support, money, family, connections, and friends โ stability โ I do not think that would have been the case, and what justice is served there?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I applaud your newfound outlook on social injustice, why do some people have to suffer injustices personally to be able to empathize with their fellow citizens?
Your fellow citizens were always getting screwed, you just chose to ignore it for most of your life. I just don't get it.
While the world would be better if we could all automatically empathize, a white and educated person likely hasn't ever really seen any of the ways everyone else gets screwed before then. If you've never seen it and don't personally know anyone it happens too, it's easy to dismiss protesters as whiney babies who need to grow up. And well, what other exposure is there? I wish people could understand earlier, but at least once they've been confronted with it a lot of people become more empathetic.
youngrb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is a question of viewpoint and experience. I just did not see the other side. I was not blind or unempathetic - I did various things (non-political) to help others -- founded a school, served in various ministries, taught at an historically black college that was having trouble. But, this level of institutional classism and racism was not visible to me.
There might be a parallel with the Black Lives Matter movement. Until the advent of one phone video after another after another showing police acting irrationally, with malice, and illegally, I always took the side of the police, in my mind, in any kind of shooting. Of course it was justified - they were the police. Now, my view is different.
I don't know if I get it either, but I also don't get grace, and am happy to grow and learn whenever or however it comes.
youngrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Considering this further, I do not think I realized at the time how much our social systems are connected. Exaggerated example: Working guy gets registration ticket. Doesn't pay it - doesn't know how, lives hand to mouth, has three kids, one of whom has a medical issue, spouse works second shift, frazzled, forgets, gets arrested, loses job, maybe kids. What would happen if we had national health insurance -- Medicare for all, or something -- and he and his family were a little more whole, and a little more together, and a little less frazzled? It would still be a hard go, but better, and one of the kids might cure cancer.
This was my first time posting a comment on reddit. My son showed me the site a year ago when I was trying to kick heroin again. This time attempting detox with just the support of my friends and family. Browsing reddit has been a huge distraction for me, and I will be celebrating one year clean on the 12th of March. I will let you know when I have more of my story to post.
Have them start you on naltrexone, it's generic and blocks the high from the opiate. That way if you do relapse it's less likely to stick because you won't get the high. It's used for weight loss and alcohol too
Thank you for the info. I haven't heard of that one. I will look into it. I'm not taking any scripts right now, but I know many other people who have quit and might be interested.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good job! Keep it up!
mtskin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:52:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
was put in jail because i had an outstanding medical that went to collections and since i didnโt appear in court a warrant was issued. pretty much everyone that heard my story in there couldnโt believe i was in for owing on a medical bill. got let out after a 24 hour stay(took that long to see a judge) but all for not having enough money.
youngrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Medicare for all.
IronOhki ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:28:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a different story.
I went to prison once as a volunteer. I was helping these guys teach tech skills to inmates who'd be getting out and hopefully finding jobs.
The students were great. They had to be on the good behavior list and write a short essay to get into the class. Very positive.
What shocked me about prison was how similar it was to high school. Same building design. Same smell. We ate lunch with the students, it was the same food. Same bells to announce the time of day. And, obviously, you can't do anything or go anywhere without permission.
Prison was basically maximum security High School.
Alternatively, high school is minimum security prison
pattejac ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI miss my phoneโ
fellok ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:16:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought when I got arrested was "did they shoot my dog?" I couldn't sleep for days on end, not knowing the results of what happened or being able to get in contact with my roommate. Luckily she wasn't shot, but it could've very easily ended differently.
Penya23 ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 13:24:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This would be a great read if it had a serious tag ...
ChagSC ยท 522 points ยท Posted at 15:54:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay here you go:
You start with processing. This is where your clothes and personal possessions get put in a bag and given your jail clothes and sandals.
Then you sit in a holding cell until they are ready for intake. This can take hours and you share it with other soon-to-be inmates.
Intake is a cell block with all fresh inmates that lasts 3-5 days. Inmates who will remain in jail for longer than that await classification. Classification is an interview process to assess where to place you based on your criminal record and personality and potential danger to others.
Intake sucks a lot as it is jail with people all freshly at the jail. You have a good chance of people withdrawling from heroin or other drugs to be your neighbor or cellmate. Also a lot of scared first timers who donโt know what to expect. And repeat offenders who often have reunions with other repeats. They can smell out the first timers easily and often fuck with them. Most of the time itโs playful but still scares the shit out of first timers.
Classification interview determines your security risk. If itโs a well run jail they do a good job separating minimum security risks vs medium vs maximum. You then get told to collect your belongings and get moved to your assigned pod. Which feels like going on vacation compared to intake if you are classified as minium security as you are free from the hell that is the intake pod.
You have friendlier correction officers in a minium security risk pod. They are happy their rotation drew them a minimum security pod. Your fellow inmates are more the type to be there for DUI, drug possession, failed probation rather than violent crimes.
Then it becomes like Groundhog Day. You do the same routine everyday. Eat, play cards, watch a movie, walk the yard during recreation. Board games. Banter with other inmates. Do your assigned work cleaning duty. Get a nickname. Avoid the few weirdos.
Once a week there is a โpartyโ. This is commissary day. Where all the items such as food, toiletries, beverages, etc are ordered. Everyone is happy as their stock is replenished. Those who can afford it that is. But those who canโt usually get some freebies from those who can afford it.
You read a lot. Write a lot. Shoot the shit a lot. Itโs a lot of highs and lows. Sometimes it doesnโt feel like jail and at times it REALLY feels like jail. You will do a lot of inner reflection. You keep a makeshift calendar marking each day you have served counting down to your release date. You have phone calls to home on occasion and visits. You get sent books and other approved items from family.
The friends you do make in jail eventually hit their release date. Youโre happy for them but also sad because it makes your time seem that much longer.
Then eventually you are up for release. Your name gets called and you get escorted to processing. You get the original bag of clothes and possessions to change into. You get put in an outtake cell with others getting released dressed how you came in and your clothes feel foreign. You have an insane amount of emotions going through you and youโre not sure if this is real. You get released at midnight and just like that you are back in the real world youโve been seeing out your window and smelling on the yard.
You have arranged someone to pick you up and call them. Then itโs a surreal dreamlike experience walking around and waiting. You stop at 7-11 to pick something up while waiting. You get picked up and as driving away look back at the jail. Stopping at a fast food place and devouring the meal as if it is fine dining.
Then you have trouble sleeping for a week as you readjust to normal life out of a combination of excitement and anxiety establishing a new routine.
Wow, thanks for writing that, you almost perfectly summed up my experience from when I did 7 months. Especially what you wrote about the clothes, I had a job in there so my co bosses let me take my clothes out the night before and wash them so they were fresh when I hit the street. Something about seeing and smelling those clothes gave me the oddest feeling that I can't completely explain, it makes you think back to the day you came in and everything that's happened between then and now, the good, the bad, the great people you've met, the total scumbags, the glimmers of hope and nice things that happen in a shitty place, also the horrible things like people getting robbed and beaten for no reason. The thought that since the minute I took off those clothes I kept telling myself one day I'll be putting them on and leaving, and how far away that day felt at times, and now it's here THIS is THAT day. I know 7 months isn't a really long time but those clothes also make you realize your going back to being a "normal person" counting days, talking to my family, having guys tell me I'm "getting short", none of it really sunk in that I was actually going home until that first time wearing pants with belt loops and sneakers with laces, you feel a great feeling but with a huge undercurrent of anxiety, I got into a rhythm being in there of daily life and now it's all going to change and I have responsibilities I can't screw up. After I washed the clothes I put them on(Just trying them on in the laundry room aka work hq I wasn't actually leaving until the next morning) and the 10 or so guys I worked with were wishing me well and telling me not to end up there again. I was actually pretty sad that I had to leave them, they were all good guys like me who just made stupid mistakes, we worked together, ate together, worked out together, played cards and chess, gave each other advice, lifted each other up on bad days, told each other about our families, our thoughts, our plans for when we got out, of course I was happy to be going home but I knew I would miss them and the routine I had come to know as my life for the last 7 months. I may have made jail sound like it's a good place with this comment, but to anybody reading, it is not, you do not want to go there, I basically couldn't have gotten luckier and couldn't have had it better but was still not free, was still kept away from all of my loved ones, and had so many freedoms completely gone. It really shows you how you don't know what you got until it's gone when just putting on some regular clothes can have such a profound impact and make you feel so many different things at once.
Good answer echoing my experience entirely, apart from you getting out at midnight. With me it was down to processing at around 8.30 am on release day, fuck about for a few hours getting prop back, signing release licence and getting discharge grant, and then sitting in a holding cell with five others waiting to be walked out by screws. Didn't actually set foot off prison grounds til around 11 iirc. Bastards. I want my stolen 11 hours back.
In my case, the first couple of days consisted of me running the same 10-15 thoughts over and over in my head:
Why did I let myself become so careless that I let this happen?
How much of my life is going to be spent paying for this?
What are people going to think of me when they hear about this?
I wonder what my bail will be set at.
How many people here even speak English? And whatโs going to happen when people find out Iโm a foreigner? (I was locked up in Puerto Rico)
How can I get in touch with people back home to let them know where I am?
What time is it?
How long have I already been here?
How can I hire an attorney?
How can I get money sent to me so I can make phone calls and send emails?
Not to mention the soul-crushing anxiety and misery that comes with drug withdrawals, and all of the questions pertaining to THAT can of worms.
After reading some of these I'm feeling a large urge to be a permanent law abiding citizen
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:18:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There goes my job, my girl, my truck, my house, any chance of getting out of this. I've never believed sooooooooo hardily in going back in time as I did when I went to jail. Fuck this question! The waves of horrible great and condemnation are flowing back. Good God Damn that was a horrible time.
I was detained one time. I told a cop he wasnt shit, we had a prayer circle, and a girl fell asleep in my lap and i pet her. i know im late to this post, but damn it was surreal
First day: this isn't so bad, I'll just sleep a lot. That judge Judy TV is really getting annoying.
Second day: oh I'm in a real cell now. Oh... No more tv. Oh everyone here is pretty odd. Yeesh these people tell a lot of lies. I think I'll read. Ended up reading Two Towers and Return of the King in 2 days.
Third day: cellmate showed me how to make a better shower spout out of toothpaste shell. Cellmate helped me smuggle extra blankets to make a makeshift mattress under my mat. Learned the hard way that a blanket in your celldoor means someone is taking a shit. These black guys in here seem to talk 3x as loud as everyone else. They also like to talk to each other at 12am through the hallways by screaming. I have never felt this truly bored.
All in all, if you're not stupid and atleast a little personable, boredom is truly the killer in the big house.
tanarchy7 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:30:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was so scared. Sentenced to 2 months in county jail. It took 36 hours from being taken in from court to being booked. Stuffed in a 7x7 foot cell with 16 people in a room made for 6. It said max. Occupancy 6 people, they took a sharpie and added a 1 in front of it. Days of old food on the floor and one toilet. Took an hour long bus ride to the jails chained with cuffs and metal bars to a very gigantic gang member that represented his pride of said gang all over his face. I was dressed in a button down and slacks, for court, he was on the way to prison but had an overnight in county. I remember this so vividly, I said "hey, dont worry i am not as dangerous as I look" and he just glared at me. Thought for sure i was going to die.
Arrive at Theo Lacy Jail. Strip searched and recieve my bunk. Im mid 30s white male, bunkie sees im scared. I think to myself FUCK hes sizing me up.. He was the "shotcaller" and took me under his wing. Told everyone not to fuck with me. It was a 180 man open dorm cell.
Day 3 in i was moved. Now, im not racist but racism exists in jail. I was moved to a 180 man cell of Hispanics. No one to watch my back. Witnessed multiple fights and feared for my life. The next day my number got called and got to continue my sentence on CWP (community work program) supervised by sheriffs but I got to go home at night.
All from a DUI from july 2007 im finally taking care of.
I was hungover af on my first day. Puking and I even denied my first meal of the day and I had to because it was Mexican style JAIL FOOD, of course ima pass that gross shit up when Iโm already sick as hell. But other than that, I thought I was good. Then I seen a big Samoan dude with tats all over his face and the word โMURDERโ going from his right cheek, under the chin and finished on his left side. That kinda scared me but there was a local gang that ran the jail, the top dude came and talked to me and recruited me and asking what I did to get in, what my race was and blah blah blah because Iโm a small dude compared to everyone else and they told me to let them know if I had any problems and they got my back. I even seen someone in the same block as me overdose on some sorta drug (synthetic marijuana I think or idk I forgot) and he was seizing and foaming out his mouth we went in lockdown for like 4 hours. I was just 19 years old. Crazy first day in jail. Lmao
UDYE ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:18:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was "oh my God, please get me out of here before I need to use the bathroom"
i have done about 8 months of county jail time, first thing that went through my head was FUCK, i'm gonna be stuck here a while
When i did 12 months in a unit, first thing that went through my head was at least i'm not in county jail. I will say this for those who have never been, first hopefully you don't ever have to through that experience and also it's nothing like those locked up shows, the majority of people in prison or county jail are in there over some petty shit and most of them are just waiting to go home. Their is some racial divide you do tend to "stick to your race" but that doesn't mean you cant talk with people of other colors unless you a gang. In county jail most gangs interact with other races unless a higheer up comes from prison, then it does become racially tense but even then as long as you are respectful but don't bitch out if someone tries bullshitting you most people will show you respect. About the only people that have a hard time are the ones trying to prove they are some badass, always trying to act hard, if you try to be a bad ass, you're gonna have a bad time.
kmurr82 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It has changed immensely. I was 18 years old at the time and thought I knew it all. I sought treatment for an opiate addiction beginning while incarcerated. I have been clean and sober for 12 years and work in social services where I do my best to assist others who struggle with some of the same issues I struggled with in my past. I am fortunate to have learned many lessons while in jail and used my time there to ponder the direction my life was headed in if I continued the same behaviors and kept the same social circle. I came out focused and was lucky to live in a community that offered reintegration services which allowes me to continue treatment afterwards. I am forever grateful for those opportunities and have done my best to make the best out of them. Thanks for your question.
A felony drug possession charge landed me 2 nights in juvenile detention when I was 17. The first night I was escorted to my cell, past all of my cell block mates in the common area who were all staring me down. Needless to say I was a little anxious given that I was a white private catholic school boy in juvi. Anyways we were all in single cells with a tiny window that allowed you to look into the cell directly across the hall from yours. On the first night, a 6โ4โ, dreaded, tatted, Cheif Keef lookin mother fucker stood right as his window and watched me tryto sleep in my bed on the back wall. He didnโt break eye contact for a solid 10 minutes then eventually turned around and went to sleep. I knew I was his target and the next day I figured out I was right. Kevin whooped my ass so bad in basketball he felt bad and gave me his milk at lunch. Great guy.
Sno_Jon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:15:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin was scared (he's a skinny kid) that the big body builder cell mate would beat him or rape him and there's nothing he could do.
He ended up being an alright guy as far as prison goes.
But the worst thing was, he was basically set up by the guy who took his money for a joint business then called the cops on him and said he's threatening him. A stupid move on my cousins part yes but lucky for him charges were dropped.
A better question is how did jail change your perspective...
I have more empathy for people who society has discarded. Everyone has a story. Everyone is a human. You can't imagine how worthless a person can feel until you're treated as a prisoner.
Clbull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:42:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think my empathy would depend on what that person did. A child molestor? I'd have no empathy for them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying we should throw everyone in /pol on 4chan in jail?
I was sentenced to serve overnight...my first thought was, I'll be out tomorrow. Paperwork mixup meant that I was not out tomorrow. They mixed me up with someone else...who got out something like 149 days early. Took them a week to get me out.
I did 2 years at high desert state prison in nevada about 1 hours away from Las Vegas.
My first day was actually ok. Got woken up while I was in County Jail, the CO told me to gather my things I was leaving county and heading to prsion. I rushed to eat all the commisary I had and then gave a bit away.
Shackled up and loaded up in a van. The van ride was pretty cool, first time in 7-8 months I had seen the streets. As we take the turn to High Desert the last song I hear on the radio was Tupac - California Love ( the guards who drove us had the radio on). I get there get clothing, register to use the phones, go through the gang unit, then finally to the fish tank while I was classified. I spent 12 days before I got my first celly and finally left the fish tank to level 3 on day 34
I went to University with a guy who one night helped his friends in a brawl and one of the guys he beat up fell off a bridge later on and died. I met him in a pub one night and he revealed that he had a previous of GBH (grievous bodily harm) but still didnโt think he would get any time. He was more annoyed he would not get his degree because he never disclosed his previous charge. Aaaaanyway...he gets time and tell us after he did about three months and that the whole time leading up to it he got so nervous he developed a urine infection. To put you into the picture he finished 2nd in a bodybuilding competition in the UK for his age bracket so he was a big dude. Time inside was spent lifting a lot of weights whilst all the other people were mainly out of it on drugs (he has no idea how they smuggled them in) and completely left him alone.
"Fuck I hope I didn't kill anyone". I was young and got arrested for drunken disorderly conduct. I remember asking the jail guard what I was arrested for, when he told me it was a huge relief. Especially since I was very hung over. (Which usually causes me bad anxiety to begin with)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:03:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did 24 hours in county over an unpaid traffic ticket. barely even got a taste of it and it sucked.
javoss88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What???!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it was bullshit
javoss88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How can that happen?!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was pretty calm except I was unsure of how my life would turn out. I was arrested by campus police because a female student attacked me and I defended myself but she got hurt in the process. I remember trying to reassure myself that everything would be alright I falsely believed that since the police never read me my Miranda Rights that I would be safe. I couldnโt stop rehearsing what I was going to say to a judge, until 19 hours of jail later i could barely hear him and due to seeing my dad in the courtroom after such a long time in jail, it caused me to pretty much burst into tears so I couldnโt really think straight or speak clearly at the time other than the basic โyes sirโ โabsolutely sirโ. I got overwhelmed when I walked out of the shitty holding cell into the completely furnished courtroom.
We threw insults back and forth. I struck a nerve, she grabbed a metal travel mug and tried hitting me with it. Court pre trial is on Friday, hoping the case is thrown out.
Leaving this here for an update in the future. If this case isnโt thrown out, thatโs bullshit and a true defeat for menโs rights. How dare they do this to you for being a victim.
Sorry for the really late reply, Iโve been kinda avoiding it out of laziness and out of the fact that Iโm trying to put this mess behind me. I chose not to go to court(sheโs the daughter of a multimillionaire). Instead I chose to Continue WithOut a Finding(CWOF), and probation for a year. Basically If I get past the probation without any problems(which I wonโt, Iโm a nerd and donโt go out much) then everything is dismissed and can be sealed. Other conditions: write an apology, and must go to counseling in school regularly.
Itโs ok man, her father lives in England and they arenโt very close. I learned after a while that where her family has money, my family has actual family. I receive extreme support and care from my family, where all she had were phone calls. So in that regard I forgive her for what she did.
It takes maturity to forgive someone for something like that. And I notice you didn't say something like "it's my fault" or "I pushed her to do it" or some other self-blaming statement. Good on you, man.
No, CWOF. Continue without a finding, meaning I said there is sufficient evidence for me to be convicted but a ruling will not be made until after my probation. Domestic Violence wasnโt even a charge anyways.
I had to do 6 months for a drug charge. First day in prison Iโm standing by my bunk and this huge scary looking butch woman peeked her head out from the shower curtain and got my attention and said โhey come hereโ I was really nervous but I walked over to the showers. She was like โmy bunk is next to yours and I left my shampoo on my bunk can you grab itโ I was so relieved..she turned out to be pretty cool too. The worst part for me was the boredom, luckily I made some friends and we found stupid ways to pass the time.
whosthe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:03:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quite a lot. I was coming down off methamphetamine (coincidentally the 1st and last time I ever did that drug, except perhaps inadvertently later on in some โecstasyโ or โcocaineโ). I was having paranoid delusions, audio hallucinations. Folks wouldnโt shut the fuck up after lockdown so I thought everyone was talking about me. I was just tweaking the fuck out. I realized pretty quick to just shut my mouth and most everyone would leave me alone, though who knows what I was talking about when I first got there. After about 24 hours I was back to normal. Only then did the depth of my dilemma become real to me. I fell into a very deep depressive state. Pretty much a given with stimulant withdrawals. Also after the initial shock wears off itโs so sooo boring. It rly hits u how overstimulated we are and how helpless we become without that. And this was before I ever had a smartphone (2010). I slept until I couldnโt sleep anymore. Fortunately (fortunately for me) Alabama jails/prisons were and still are so overcrowded they could only hold me for about a week, split between a city jail and county, after which I was released with a bonded court date.
(Been sober over 2 years now for those who dig happy endings)
The first thing that went through my mind was, "Do I seriously have to shit in front of everyone?!" County jail is the first stop before prison. It's the loudest, scariest thing I have ever gone through. In county jail, everyone stinks, is pissed off, yelling, drunk and all stuffed into one cement room with one toilet. I held it for as long as I could, then finally had to go. I wished I had gone when I first got there when the toilet was "clean". By the middle of the night it was covered in diarrhea, puke and blood. I never hovered so hard in my life.
Don't go to jail, kids. I have to wait 8 years to get my record expunged. This coming summer is finally my 8 year mark!
On my first or second day in jail coming off of heroin laying on the jail floor because of overcrowding..I remember Seeing "this is where heroin gets you" written in pencil on the wall. That's when reality hit me. Like wtf am I doing here !?
I was in jail for a month, 2 weeks each in 2 separate jails.
Going into the 1st one i just remember this dull ass confusion. There is no outside analog for real jail, I had no idea where to go, what to do or how to act. Basically just waited for instructions.
In that jail we were in cells and during my 2 weeks I had like 3 different cellies (cellmates), barely even spoke to any of them, not like hostile just nothing to talk about really and one guy only spoke spanish, my spanish is just what you get from growing up on the west coast so conversations were short.
After 2 weeks I was transferred to a jail that was like a dorm where the only walls were about waist high and you have like 50 guys all in the same pod. The normal routines (meals, lights out, sick call, etc) were at the same times (mabey? I only ever saw 2 clocks when i was in there).
I fucking hated that dorm style. I found it hard to avoid conversations because most of the other inmates acted like it was a fucking perpetual high-school reunion "Hey man! I haven't seen you since we were locked up at X-other fucking jail! whats up?" Genuine happiness all around. So bizzare, lots of looking over each others paperwork and advice giving too. Really missed my cell while I was there.
Fun Fact: Because there was only one clock in the 1st jail, and I could only see it when they let us out of cells, I learned to tell time by where the shadows were outside (once I got a window)
Magic175 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:21:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Simply survival. The prison/jail system gives less than a shit about your safety. Anyone heading for jail first time, stand up for yourself. Make allies. If you think you can just be quiet and stay by yourself, you are wrong. Someone will always try to get something from you.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory "the Dementors" comment
PokeJD ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:22:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"The worst thing about prison was the... was the Dementors. They were flying all over the place and they were scary and then they'd come down and they'd suck the soul out of your body and it hurt!"
-JWS- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm on this. Gotta remind everyone that trustee is only for non-assault or non evading arrest people in jail/prison. I was sentenced to 75 for probation violation on a weed charge. Trustees got 3 days for 1 meaning my sentence was dropped to 50 days which was great. Every morning we would wake up and get in a van with a cop and he would take me and 5 other guys to go work on potholes, or pickup trash, or any kind of help along the county. We got to experience fresh air and extra food at lunch break. Sometimes only a few people were needed and one or two of us would stay behind at the jail. Those days were the worst because time went by so slow. Labor that I hated doing when I was free was something I looked forward to once I started it. We would find cigarette butts around and break them down and make our own cigs and smoke them in the basketball area. It was not a bad experience. Very chill people and we got to see through the hall all the fights and bad shit that went on in general population. Trustee is the way to go. Only bad part was having to get strip searched every day when we came in from work.
Or get a job, I'm sure it's not like this at every jail but where I was, having a job made my stay 1000 times better than the average inmate, so many perks, better food, better treatment from COs. It was a world of difference, and working definately made the time go by faster.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to do 60 days in county prison when I was just finished getting my bachelors degree. Tbh, by the time I was introduced to my cell mate and put in a cell (21 of 24 hrs of each day locked in there), I was just happy to be able to lie down. Then the withdrawals happened. I was cold. I cut some socks to turn my short sleeve orange jumpsuit into a long sleeve orange and white jumpsuit. I played some cards and chess, I read some books, I joked with other inmates, I watched the super bowl through my cell door window on a tiny tv 70 feet away. But the one thing I remember most is how hungry I always was. Stomach growling to sleep every night. Saving your oatmeal in empty milk containers for a midnight snack. Thank god you can get commissary after 1 week there. Milky ways and ramen soups make life worth living!
That maybe my drinking that landed me here really was a problem despite everyone telling me other wise.
Walking into a room of 40 poker playing inmates that stop what there doing to size up the new guy is always a good time, I swear even the news casters on the TV stopped reading the evening report to stare at me.
Got pulled over for a DUI, was below the legal limit (and video later showed it was a bad stop) but they decided due to a new law to leave me in jail for the weekend before talking to a judge.
It was in Seattle and as I looked around the 10 other guys in my cell I had a feeling there was going to be tension. As the only white guy in there I figured out who was going to be the most touchy, talked to him a bit and all was well.
Only had one moment where I thought an actual fist fight was going to break out, but fortunately the guy that caused the trouble backed down quickly.
I now have a personal zero-tolerance rule involving any alcohol and driving.
Went to jail for possession or marijuana, spent two days. That was in a small town I grew up in. Wasnโt bad, honestly. Got in about 2 in the morning, they threw me in a holding cell with a mat, towel, and blanket. After I was processed around 6 they put me in the orange, hen out me back in the holding cell. Around 10 I went into the block I would be staying in. 6 bunkbeds to one wall, 4 to the other. Probably about 16-20 people in there with me. Big guy walked up to me, asked me if Iโd ever been arrested before. Told him no and when I told him what I was in for he gave me a tour. I think he took a little pity on me, honestly. The toilets are what really intrigued me. Two side-by-side, but one had a thick layer of white sand on top of it. He told me that they used one for sitting down and one for standing up, and the white stuff was to keep the seat clean and help with the smell.
I got a top bunk (had to ask a guy across the room who was using it as storage to move his shit and I was terrified), laid down, and went to sleep. Spent the next two days watching Gabriel Iglesias, shitty movies, game shows, and whatever else was on the few channels we got. Played some cards, mostly bullshit. Games would get heated but it was all in good fun. Iโm pretty quick with a joke so I got on everyoneโs good side pretty quick. Food wasnโt great but it wasnt vomit-inducing, plus youโre just happy to eat something. Worst part was having to tell my girlfriend. I was sure she was going to leave me, and that made it so much harder. Thatโs he worst part, in my mind. Knowing hat there are people out there who want to be with you, and you want everything to be with them, but you canโt. I spent my time and when I left they told me theyโd be pissed if they saw me back in there lol
Second time I was arrested I went to Houston, and it was horrible. Get down to your underwear in front of everyone else waiting to be processed, which was about 40-50 other people for me. Taken into a room with five other guys, you get naked. They walk you down a hallway where you grab your new clothes. They throw you in a cell with about ten other people, and thereโs nothing but concrete. Had to use my shoes as a pillow, and I had been wearing TOMS so it was even worse than it sounds. Plus, it was FREEZING. Had to be like 60 in those cells. No blankets, so you did what you could to tuck yourself into your shirt and stay warm. Every 2-3 hours theyโd come in and move you into a different room, so right when you started to fall asleep you were jolted back awake. Spent the better part of a weekend in there and I was absolutely miserable the entire time.
Final form. Honestly donโt get your question though
hswhu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:21:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In from the UK so it's a little different, got arrested on a night out for fighting, got lifted by a beat cop and was thrown into a single man cell with a gym mattress as a bed. My first thoughts where how cold it was, sat up all night near freezing to death on this gym mattress before being let out in the morning with no charges.
Not to be rude I don't want to hear that shit. If you've been in North America you would be facing jail time, rolling the dice with the cops it terms of treatment, sentencing by the court, court fees, potential legal fees, misdemeanor on your record, possible substance abuse classes, and God knows what else. There are times I really wish we had a legal system that wasn't so f***** up
taatzone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf...seriously..anxiety and play it cool ๐ buuuuuuuut anxiety strikes hard knowing your life is not yours ti control anymore..but I was acquitted at the end, realizing that thinking b4 doing something, that is not worth your freedom at least even in times of being desperate, is not worth it at all
*Enjoy life Responsibly *
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Jesus Christ, how did I end up here? I'm nothing like these people."
Turns out I was...
1kSuns ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck.. what's that smell?"
"So much for my job, my marriage, my kids."
"What happens now?"
"No seriously, why does it smell like that everywhere?"
The "what happens now" was the biggest one. There's zero communication from the outside as to what the next steps are. How do I get a lawyer, how do I post bail, when do I even find out what bail will be, what do I do now, what will I do after, what time is it, how does this phone work?
I was 23 and went to a minimum security prison for 432 days. I had already been doing about 3-4 months county jail so first day of prison was more of a culture shock than anything. To explain this better I'll refer back to county jail. It's VERY laid-back with the inmates and SOME of the guards. Most of the guards are hardasses because they get a power trip from the job or are in actuality scared shitless of you and the inmates hence the facade of being a hardass.
Forward to prison. Prison is a whole different ballgame. You have people in there that NEED to be locked away from the "free world". Others just caught up in the court system and would rather do their time than deal with probation or even just the real world. My first day was the sudden realisation that this is NOT a game or a movie. This is REAL shit. Everything I took for granted in the past is suddenly flooding my mind and instant regret, anger, bewilderment has kicked in. "What the fuck have I done?"
I'll be honest before coming in I had the mindset of "I can handle this. This ain't shit". I couldn't be further from the truth. It took me about 6 months to become accepting of what I had gotten myself into. It was very much a slap in the face and a wake up call.
I'll never go back.
County jail on the other hand..that ain't shit. ๐
I was tripping acid and got locked up for it because the cops smelled my marijuana, found the rest of my tabs, and hauled me off. My first thoughts were that I was never going to see my family again, my fingerprints looked pretty fuckin crazy on this screen, I wonder how much longer I will sit in this room alone, I wish this sprinkler would quit spraying me in the face every time I doze off, etc. My experience is probably a bit skewed.
Dont drink and drive it will fuck your life up. I was lucky enough to get house arrest for my 2nd offence in five years. This post really opened my eyes on how lucky i really am. I am 70 days in on a 100 day sentance of house arrest.
Rawflax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:51:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for the night once for fleeing the police. As I entered, the thought was "my life is fucking ruined".
After two hours, my thoughts were "wow, this 75 year old black man is really fucking good at chess".
My dad was arrested for a DUI and was in a redneck county in Tennessee in the late 70s. This was on a Friday and he couldn't see the judge til Monday. He said in this tiny county it was just one giant 10 man cell.
At some point they book some guy for child molestation and he goes in with them. My dad said he watched two guys grab the molester by the arms and force him to his knees. He said another guy took off a heavy looking boot, stood over the molester and said "I'm the judge, jury, and motherfucking executioner". My dad says this dude just whacked the shit out of the child molester until he bled all over the floor. He said part of him was scared about the violence, but he also said that molester deserved it.
I was in my r/iamverysmart phase and didn't renew my vehicle registration, being a kid I didn't have the funds.
got put into a holding cell for a few hours, didn't know how long dad would take...
Looks at the stainless steel sink toilet combo, and how it was constructed, they took my shoe laces.
Slowly did the calculations in my head of the strength of the bars, concrete, fixtures and realized that someone as smart as I was designed this thing so even I couldn't get out.
And then appreciated the amount of engineering cold rolled steel has and how many years and lifetimes went into creating this little cage as all hope slowly drained out of me, knowing that my future could only be affected by someone outside this cage.
Helplessness.
Dread.
Cold.
Even with the entrance open because the police station person was being nice.
It was the single most stoic "now think about what you've done" moment in my life.
Worried about getting killed... not by any inmates. The county jail medial staff werenโt knowledgeable about the difference of type 1 and type 2 diabetes. When ask by an inmate why I left my cell so much and I told him I was type 1 diabetic (prone to seizures in my sleep) he responded โShit n***a you got the dangerous diabetes! Iโll yell for a CO if I hear ya flop around at night!โ
rnmha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:23:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing went through my head the first day and each day after that...as hard as jail.will be, it will be cake compared to life after jail. I knew that jail would be hard and it most certainly was. But i also knew that my life after jail would make jail seem like a cake walk. And boy was i right. On both accounts. Some people have no problem adjusting to jail life. The learn how to "jail" easily. I heard many people say "son! You need to learn how to jail! Jailin is a different way of life. You cant be thinking about life on the outs and expect to learn how to jail! You got to accept that you cant do anything for your people on the outs while you in here. You need to learn to jail or you aint gonna make it ." So jailin' is a way of life and an attitude that one must learn or you will go crazy in jail. I didnt learn quickly. I lost my mind in jail because i was so worried about my family and everything i knew i was going to lose and what everyone was saying and all tje things i could no longer control with life on the outside (or " the outs" as they call it in jail). What i should have been doing was learning how to and accepting life in the inside...such as how to sleep on a one inch plastic mattress on top of a steel plate for a bed frame, with one dirty sheet to tie around the mattress and one to cover with along with one itchy stinky blanket and no pillow. Not to mention how cold it is in jail. And how disgusting it is smelling amd hearing so many different men fart all night long. And snore. And caugh. And stay up all night laughing and talking and watching tv. And just hiw disgusting food can be made to be. The food is probably the single hardest aspect of jail life. It is absolutely vile. Jail bologna is disgusting. It is vomitous. It is evil. And yet i learned to look forward to it. I learned to eat out of trash cans. I mean literally reaching into trash cans amd grabbing half eaten food mixed with whatever else people threw in there and eat it without any effort to clean it off. Just to keep from being hungry. I didnt eat anything the first three days. Then hunger takes over and u eat just certain things like the milk or cereal. But pretty soon you realize that you arent going to get enough by being picky. Even if you have money on your account for store, it will take a few weeks before you can actually get an order in. So you learn to eat anything and everything. But its never enough. So u do somethings you never would imagine you would do to keep from being hungry. So anyway, the entire time, i knew life after jail would be worse than anything jail had to offer. When i got out i would be a felon and i know noone in my line of work gets a job with a felony. I knew i ruined my life and the life if my family. I knew i would never count again nor would my opinion matter nor would anyone give two flying fucks because i am now a felon. So my first day and every day thereafter was consumed witj thoughts of my former life, the pain of causing so much harm to my family and the pain of accepting that i will never be anyone ever again. Yes, i kniw that tjere is always a chance amd that some people have wonderful lives after going to jail or prison or becoming a felon. But that is not the norm. That is what we tell our friends if it happens to them and we havent yet let go of them or started avoiding them yet because we havent yet realized that their life is really over and we cant really do amything to help them. Or what we tell ourselves if we arent yet ready to acvept our true fate if it happens to us.its just a tale to buy some time. But eventually we realize its.over. that your friends are all moving on becausw good things happen to them..but for you, its set back after set back after disappointmemt after doors slammed in your face. I realized early on how hard it would be and it consumed me throughout jail. The only problemnwas it didnt even begin to prepare me for howndifficult and painful it is to actually lose everything and go through this. As much as everyone hated me for what i did, noone hates me more than i hate myself. Noone is more ashamed of me. Amongst all those people who are ashamed, none are more ashamed than i am of myself. My wife dropped me like a hot rock. Cant say i blame her. She is entitled to a normal life. So are my kids. Who was i to think i was worth sticking it out with. Thats for better people than me. Thats for the movies. I had my chance and i lived a good life for a few years. I should habe appreciated it more. I should have taken more precUtions to protect my life. I should have known that ugly fucks like me dont get second chances. That without the job and salary, i am nothing but a weirdo ugly loser who will never know love again. At least not the love of anyone worth loving. I might find someone in my predicament who is desperate for anyone. But that isnt love. That is just desperation. Filling a void. Taking what you can get. Giving in to the fear. I wonder when i will give in. Will i call it what it is or try and justify it. Who cares? Either way, i put myself here. I cant expect anyone to go down with me. Who did i tjink i was to think my wife would give me a chance. Why wouldni think i was worth the risk? What the hell was i thinking to think she still loved me and would wait for me. All this has shown me that i truly am a piece of shit. Thats what i have been thinking about mainly since the first day of jail. Comimg to terms witj the fact that i really am a piece of shit deepndown inside. And that eberyone around me knewbit and was waiting fornit to happen amd snickered when it finally happened. But it still hurts to think about it. I still wake up paniking and i still dream about my wife. I still love her. I am still in love. I still need her. I still hurt. I still need a shiulder to cry on andbexpect her to be there for me. I still am in shock that she is with someone else. I am still devestated.
I am in the UK and my first day in prison was at HMP Wandsworth. Half of me was just in complete disbelief, I was sure that they would see it was all a big mistake and come and let me out. The other half of me was fearful, wondering if and when I was going to get the beating of my life, and wondering how my aged parents were coping in my absence.
I was a Full time carer for my father at the time and I couldn't believe that they would send me to prison and leave him at home with my mother, who was in her eighties, as his only help. I was inside for twenty months and he died about half way through. I didn't get to see him again, or attend his funeral.
The county jail I went to fed you what they called "food" at 4am and 4pm. That's all you got except commissary which you had to be in for 21 days before your eligible and it was once a week.
Successfully escaped from a halfway house in the middle of nowhere (was sent there because I stole my dad's van); walked a third of the way across New Hampshire just to get caught after I decided to camp near the Walmart in Claremont for a couple days. Was sent to Manchester YDC and for a couple months and got sentenced to probation.
I'm bored, this is boring, I'm never coming back because this is the most boring thing I've ever done in my entire life... what's this Book, I'll read this book about absolutely fucking nothing because I'm so fucking bored fuck.
Good bye fiancรฉ, good bye life, goodbye video games and goodbye to being able to jerkoff by myself.
Seriously, never ever don't wear flip flops in the shower.
Why can't everyone just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Non stop chatter happening all the time. Yelling, fighting, wooping, whistles, claps, slams, kicks, "OUCH!", "OH MY GOD", "YEAH BOI", "WHO DAT?", "WHERED THAT FOOL GO?", "WHO GOT SOME SALT". all good damn day.
Not me and also not what got through his head, but a funny story anyways. My dad went to jail for 3 days for beating the shit out of a bus driver who accidentally and very slightly taped the head of my grandpa with the mirror. The funny thing is that the bus driver also went to jail for 3 day for driving in an inappropriate way and therefore taping the head of my grandpa. The sentence for both was actually 2 days but for some reason you can't get out of jail on Sundays in my home country. Anyways, they stayed in the same room the 3 days. Day one: they scream at each other all day. Day two: silence the whole day. Day three: BFFs. Lol.
I was only in jail for three days but I have never felt so lost in my life. Mostly because of what got me there. I had gotten black out drunk and attacked my pregnant girlfriend and my neighbors. Basically tried to murder them. It was a horrible gut wrenching feeling. I had never been there before but I thought my life was over. I was scared I hurt my unborn child. Actually most of the feel was fear. I was scared of everything. I was to shocked to to think much about anything else. Jail was nasty the food was terrible and I will never forget what happened for what I did. I deserved a lot worse than what I got. Fortunately my girlfriend forgave me and her uncle was a lawyer and got me out on house arrest we are back together now. Itโs been over two years since that happened. My daughter is healthy and 2 years old now. I love her more than anything. I donโt drink anymore and I know now what drinking can do to me. It wasnโt just that. I had to learn about the anger that resided in me. It has caused so much pain not only to me but to everyone In my family. Anyway if anyone sees this please be careful with alcohol. My mother also was killed last year by a drunk driver. Which has taken a toll on me. The people pulled from the opposite side of the road and it was a head on collision. My grandma was driving and almost lost her ability to walk from it and my mom died because she was sleeping in the passenger seat. I apologize for Going off topic. The bottom line is jail was not a good experience for me at all as it should have been. And I donโt ever want to go there again for any reason.
I had a family member steal my identity while I was quite literally in Fallujah in 2004, definitely out of the country. Anyway, fast forward to when I come back home in 2011 after spending a year and a half in various hospitals and rehabs. I went to get my drivers license and stuff renewed and updated, the very next day 4 Sheriffs Deputies were banging on my door. My family member had, of course, never showed up after getting out of jail on bond. So I went to jail with no clue what the hell was going on, and of course the sheriffs deputies laughing at me thinking I had to know what it was about. We get there and everyone finds out that my fingerprints and picture do not match the person on file. Sadly, they held me overnight because they were all too stupid to figure out what to do. The judge let out the next morning and I fully cooperated with the investigation.
Anyway, what was going through my head on my way to jail in the back of the police cruiser? WHAT THE HELL? I didn't do anything? How am I going to take care of this? My Wife just watched me get arrested for something that happened when she thinks I was overseas, this is such a mess. In other words, there was a lot going through my mind. I wasn't really scared, just confused.
My first jail experience was in the US Army. I was a buck sergeant just returned from Vietnam. My service skill was in high demand and they were offering a $6000 bonus to reenlist (1967, you could buy a nice car for that money). I knew that if I reenlisted I would almost immediately go back to Vietnam, so I refused. I had six months before I was released from service and the Army decided to make those six months as miserable as they could. They worked me like a mule and on weekends I had to take a military honors rifle squad to funerals for Vietnam soldiers so all my time was taken. Toward the last three months of my service, they assigned me to the Fort Meade stockade and, after a couple of hours of training that didn't have anything to do with the job, they put me in charge of a cell block. At the end of the first day, after 12 hours of duty, I thought: It's better to be an inmate than a guard. The lousiest job of my life, if there is a hell, it's being in prison as a guard.
I didnt say a word to anyone for a while then my cellie and I started talking about why were in there. It was a long couple days waiting for court after the weekend. Once I got out, I used my brother's phone to call my cellie's friend to go bail him out. I haven't spoken to him since. I hope you're doing well Jorge.
Was falsely accused, arrested and charged with multiple felonies while I was supposed to be at work.
In chronological order:
"I need to call my boss"
"I need to call a bondsman"
"I need to call a lawyer"
"There's no way I'm eating this food"
TazzzTM ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:18:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always find these threads interesting because I never would have imagined so many redditors have been in jail/prison
mep11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:27:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for 3 days as a 19 year old, that looks 16 for driving with a suspended license. I had to strip naked and give up my clothes. I got a striped shirt (orange and green) that had a crazy deep v neck and pants that were actually pretty comfy. I got socks, some loose brown boxers, and blue sandals. I was booked and took in my cell. My cellie and I had the basic jail convo "why you in here" then I go to sleep. It was so freaking cold in there specially at night. The bottom bunk was sought after because the a.c. was on the ceiling and you would get blasted on the top bunk. Most people moved their mattress to floor to sleep if they didn't get the bottom bunk. We got woken up at 5am to eat food that tasted really bland, even the eggs tasted like nothing, I don't know how you do that but they found a way. Went back to bed woke up a few hours later. Tried to call my mom so I can be bailed out but then realize I don't know her number or anybodys. I thought I was going to be there in till my court date so I was trying to wrap my head around that. It was boring and cold, there's basically three things to do in there sleep, read, and talk to other people. I tried to sleep as long as possible then read for basically the whole day. There was also a creepy man who would follow me everywhere, waiting for his chance to rape me. When I was in my cell he would be right outside it, he would occasionally peep his head in or pretend to walk by so he can get a look in. I was prepared to beat some ass to protect mine. 2 days of shitty sleep at night from it being so cold and having to sleep very lightly during the day so I can be ready to take on this fucker if I have to, I was sleep deprived and thinking how I'm i going to last a month of this. Third day my mom found where I was and bailed me out. I still don't know how she found me, my car was in a parking lot and my phone was turned off. I was released then I walked to the nearest store and bought some Cheetos and a Arizone. I'll never forget that walk. The feeling of the sun hitting my skin and the sense of I can go anywhere and do anything now. It's really to put it in words but I can't remember a time I was so happy and relieved. I can't imagine what it would feel like after doing years. I never got my boxers back. I don't know if they throw them away or incinerate them but they were gone. All in all it was a learning experience. If you do anything stupid you're going to be bored, cold, tired, and you might have to defend your booty hole from creeps. By the way I still have those brown boxers and wear them, they're nice boxers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:53 on July 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this post is old, but this couldnโt be more true. Once youโre in the system, youโre set up for failure. Itโs complete shit!
Why was I careless, stupid, thinking i couldn't get caught, etc.
Then it was alpha mentality. I had to how my own and keep to myself. Me out there could not be me in here. Or I would end up dead.
I did two years served and then five on parole. I wouldn't wish prison onto anyone. Good news is it straightened me out. If not for prison I would most likely be dead by now.
I can't wrap my mind around what that would be like. May I ask, what you was in for? What you do now? Did you meet anyone inside who was legit innocent? Are fights/rapings a real things? TY
Was locked up for conspiracy to commit credit card fraud and two counts of credit card fraud. Stole my ex girlfriend's cards and thought I was slick.
My cell mate or bunk mate who was in my section was in for manslaughter. He got me involved in a shakedown second week in because he had stolen items on his person.
Took my blanket and pillow which was all I had in there at the time. I hated him for that and then I tried to start something. Found out real soon that was a bad idea.
I wasn't in maximum security or anything like on TV. It was like pods and units each with a number of cells and a little public area. I never witnessed a rape but if you see candy on your pillow and you eat it, it was your way of agreeing to be a bitch.
Saw plenty of fights but nothing crazy. It changed my life and even now to this day I have that mentality scream at me in the back of my head when life gets sideways and I am just like, "take a deep breath, it isn't worth it."
I could have avoided it for the most part too if I didn't lie and act all innocent and smart. The DA even said since i had zero remorse or care for what I did that they wouldn't go easy. I was supposed to serve 7 to 10. Between good behavior and population I got lucky. 2 years served and the rest on porale.
_iceTrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thinking it was a dream through the whole booking process. Then they hit me with my bail amount and then I was sure that I was dreaming. Then after actually going into the holding cells I slept immediately (it was a very long day) so I could hurry up and wake up from that terrible dream.
Surprise, didn't happen. Got arraigned two days later and sent off to county.
"Omg how can this be happening? How can I be the one going to jail right now? How can this cop be threatening me when he never even bothered to ASK ME what happened!?!"
And then, after the bullying intake officers, being left in a urine soaked room, humiliated by having photos and fingerprints taken and told to shut up, being forced to strip in front of a guard, putting a harsh anti-lice shampoo in and wash it out (still in front of a guard), and being escorted to the males' side because the female side was overcrowded, I thought, "Well at least I'll be safe in here. No one can get through these cinderblock walls to hurt me tonight." And I got the best damn sleep my teenage self had had in years.
My school board president hired a lawyer for me, I moved in with our high school librarian, the superintendent sponsored me for a rotary scholarship to study abroad... It was a the start of the rest of my much-improved life. Perplexing to be locked up when I had been the one attacked, again, but that's a small town cop for ya when your mom is sleeping with his boss. It all came to light.
Life is really good now, and I take time to feel gratitude daily.
I was taken to Rikers Island (NYC) at night. The first thing I saw upon arriving at Rikers is a bloodied inmate being taken out on a gurney. I thought I was going to die in that jail.
Edit: It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. When I got to the cell block, I met with other guys that I lived in my neighborhood, went to the same school, sat in the same classes as I. There were some fights I got into but there were no different than fights I had outside of jail.
That happened over 20 years ago, and I am not that guy and never will be.
Rather not say. I was sent Rikers because I did not want to post bail. By the time the court proceedings were done, I had time served, and was released. Would have been better that way than to be remanded to serve time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been to the county jail 11 times with only 3 of those being more than 12 hours. They were all for minor probation violations, when I was on intensive probation for what was at the time a pilot program for either repeat DUI offenses, or like DUI traffic accidents. I remember two of those times, I was getting put in classification, to determine which pod they were going to place me in for the rest of my stay, seeing scary looking tattoo covered guys, swastika covered white guys, I just remember thinking both of those times please don't put me in with him over and over, and then end up getting put in with them. Both of which weren't as scary as I thought, and both were career prisoners that recently got released and were going back in, and looking on the department of corrections website, one got sentenced to 15 years and the other got 30.
Edit My charge was 2nd offense DUI been sober since 2012
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is the food has little nutritional value so you get hungry again faster after you eat. Then if you have money in commissary you'll be pigging out on commissary food, which for the most part is all junk food.
Bmc169 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:25 on March 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was one of the hardest things for me. Just ALWAYS being hungry. Lost weight that I didnโt have to lose.
not prison but i was remanded for 2 weeks +/- while waiting for my court hearing. had to be in custody because it was a violent case (rioting lol). with no windows and a dim light shining 24hrs on you it really fucks with you and your perception of time. iโm myopic too and for safety reasons they do not allow glasses inside cells.tried to squint n look at passing guardโs watches for the time to no avail.
I was recently arrested and booked into jail for a day until released on my own recognizance. It sucked. I hadnโt showered that day and was arrested in my pjs outside my house. Jail was a filthy place. We got shuffled around different cells that housed about 20 people or so. Every few hours we got bounced to a new cell. I saw people coming down off various drugs.
Saw a very large angry black man locked in a single cell wearing a red robe like shirt. People joked he was goku and were screaming at him to provoke him. He was beating his fists against the walls and yelling quite loudly. I swear he shook the walls lol. Another guy swallowed a bundle of coke so the cops wouldnโt find it and ended up having a seizure in the pod. They cleared out us and brought medical in. Only saw one fight where a black man punched another black man because he moved to let the guy use the phone and the guy ended up just taking his seat. He decked him a few times and that was it. Then yelled โyou made me use violence against my own kind! The fucks wrong with you bruh!?โ
I hated it. Once again, it was filthy. I didnโt sleep the entire time I was in there nor did I eat. The food was bags of horrible looking apples, peanut butter, crackers, and a jelly packet or something. Most people ended up using the bread inside as a pillow. The smell was horrible. Lots of homeless people. Think piss and BO combined with a hint of shit. I ended up using soap as a pen to write phone numbers on my gym shorts I was wearing Incase I got separated from my buddy who had the lawyers number and another number I needed.
When I got out I realized how shitty jail is and Iโll never want to go back. My sentencing is coming up and Iโm hoping I donโt get sent back since I agreed to the states plea deal.
"Well shit"
"Man this is boring"
I got really good at meditating.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"At least the werewolves can't get me now." I was having a psychotic reaction to a recently prescribed SSRI. Be weary of anti-depressants folks, they can send you to the slammer for months if you're not careful.
Fuct1492 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First cell in the loop. Made the mistake of pointing out to the guards that we where about 60 people in a cell that had 45 ppl max written on the outside. The guards let everyone to the next cell later except me, dropped my lunch in a very fuck you very much manner. Was the only white boy in the cell when the sourenos showed up later. They heard what I had done and told me I was crazy. Got my bunk later (room of about 80) , learned that whites are with Mexicans. Had a peckerwood called little Charlie sheen ask for my bunk pad as we got walked through the rules at camp snoopy, thought about decking him but realised he was just helping out.
Wondered what time it was, breakfast never at the same time and thought about how I'd never go back.
Not really prison, but mental hospitals can be pretty close. I was in for suicidal behavior and stuff like that, while some kids were in for assault or attempted homicide. It was all really chill and everyone liked me, which was surprising. We'd mainly go around trying to make shivs to cut ourselves or find spots to hide food. The admission period was weird. They asked me questions ten searched me. Checked my body for wounds, then had me squat and cough (in case you have something up your butt hiding...) after finding nothing, they showed me to my room and that was it for the night. Nothing but the clothes I was wearing and a bed, I barely slept. They lead the door open and the hallway lights on and check on you at rand intervals every 10-20 minutes. My room mate was Adrian, who had similar disorders except he had some sort of mental disorder which caused him to get really angry easily. When a transgender boy (female-male) was discriminated, the unit had a freak out which included us hitting things or punching things. I got discharged after 1 week and still have to attend psychologists and therapists weekly. When Adrian got discharged, he apparently ran away because he was being sent to a center in Utah. Not sure how long he was gone, but I made friends there and I was sad to leave them. It was boring as hell but I cared about them so much. One kid named Najay seemed to have been abused, and barely talked. Even after all he had been through, he was soft spoken and kind. I gave him books like National Geographic to read, and he gave them to others in the unit. When I left I cried. I hope he's okay.
There was about 15-20 of us in that unit and we all got pissed off so we started hitting walls, throwing things and yelling at staff. So basically everyone in the unit went crazy about it
That's what we need more sensible limits on jail time. People would more likely learn their lesson from a short stint than years or months at a time destroying their livelihood.
I believe it. Now I wasn't one of those shit faced drunk drivers. Just a few beers and driving home a few friends and by chance hit a checkpoint. But when I got arrested and spent 6 days in it was a wake up for sure. Like fuck this I do not want this. 6 days is enough let alone years
I accidentally got myself put on suicide watch. They asked if I felt hopeless and stuff, and yeah. I did. I was going to jail. So then, as a nice pick-me-up, they stripped me naked and put me in a weird double-breasted tunic thing. With Velcro. The whole experience was very dehumanizing.
kchc1988 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So this is jail
Cleed79 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ended up in jail for 4 days because I happened to get picked up on a Friday for driving under suspension. Stupidest thing ever.
Mostly I was worried about my health. Those cots aren't exactly the pinnacle of lumbar support. I didn't have my psych meds. They didn't understand a gluten-free diet. I ate a lot of oranges and green beans there. Also, I worried about pooping in front of my cell mate.
My first thought was, "Oh my God, how did I get here? I've never even gotten a ticket or stern talking to."
Then I met my cellmates and realized we were all just people. Yes, some of us are more violent but by the end, we hugged each other good bye and it helped me more then hindered me.
We were getting processed in county jail, and a group of 6 of us women were told to go in this shower room, take off all of our clothes to be handed to the cop lady, and shower one by one with this awful smelling soap. The room was just grey concrete and weird tile, and it was kind of creepy to be corralled in this room with other naked people, and losing what belongings you had on you for an unknown amount of time. It reminded me of the "shower" gas chambers.
Edit: When I got to prison, it wasn't as bad. The CO's were a lot more pleasant compared to the power drunk cops in county, and I even met some people who had mutal friends with me, so it was a low key experience. I think my first thought was just reflecting on how crazy my life went, as we drove through the sallyport. I'll never forget the sign that said "lethal electric fence."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went twice, never spent more than a night. The first time I slept there and it wasn't horrible, not something instant to do again though. A lot of trashy people and a lot of normal people.
The 2nd time I spent 12 hours in booking before being released. That's what jail is, punishment by waiting.
Habbyy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI am never getting caught smoking weed againโ
A funny thing happened that reinforced this. I was in bookings In downtown Brooklyn, in a cell with about 20 other people including an older man. The man started yelling to the guards that he needed a cigarette. It was pretty normal at first, they just ignored him and his screams got louder and louder. What happened next was unfucking believable.
I shit you not, this man took a piss, filled a plastic cup up with his piss and started pouring it on his head, all the while demanding that the guards give him a cigarette. My mind was fucking blown and they immediately escorted everyone into a separate cell to leave him by himself. After that, he literally kept pouring piss all over his body, into his mouth gargling it and spitting it out, constantly demanding cigarettes. The whole time the guards just recorded him and laughed. Craziest shit I ever experienced. I wouldnโt be surprised if one of them uploaded it to YouTube.
As I was being arrested, I don't really remember much of anything about what I was thinking. I was still in shock and with a concussion from my abusive now ex gf assaulting me and hitting me with her car. She hit me with keyed fists and I am sure that she knocked me out at some point. I still have scars on my face from it. I was just taking the hits not even defending myself. I was seriously messed up. Especially since my head bounced hard off the hood.
Lucky for me I talk to a detective and the trumped up charges were dropped. They were trying to charge me with felony false imprisonment because we were in her car. Also I have know idea of what she told them. It has taught me to mistrust police. I only got released because I told the detective that she got out and walked around the car and started to hit me. Which was what I had stated to the black and whites. The only thing I added was after I found out what I was arrested for. That she had her cars keys at all times. That it was impossible to lock someone in the car.
I guess I was thinking That I should be at work right now. Why am I in lockup? I didn't do anything to warrant such things. She's the one that hit me with keyed fists. She's the one who hit me with her car. And how am I supposed to get out of this? Am I going to get out of this, and I passed out at some point. It's left me with some ptsd and trust issues. I am basically dead inside when it comes to dating and attraction. This was Feb 6th 2010. One would think that I would be ok by now.
Sorry it turned into a venting.
Sane7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not jail but juvie. When I was 16 I was arrested w a quarter pound of cannabis. after a few failed drug tests (stubborn kid /self medicating my bpd) i was sentenced to 6 months. I guess my social worker messed up and unbeknownst to me I was sent to a violent offenders program. The first night I was talking to one of my cell mates and he told me why he was there. He was homeless and had tried to rob a Chinese restaurant with a machete and ended up stabbing the cashier. My other cellmate had stabbed his brother and mother in a family fight.
I come from a fairly stable middle class family so I was beyond freaked out. After a few days of witnessing fights and even accidentally getting caught in the middle of one and getting my ass kicked, I told the mental health professional I was scared I would hurt myself and I was sent to a psych ward.
I spent two weeks there before my psych there realized I wasn't really suicidal and I was sent to another program. Another violent offenders program. It was at this program where I mistakenly stood up for what seemed to me to be the resident punching bag. So every night after that I was subject to what the kids called run piggy. A game where every night while we were allowed to brush our teeth and cells were open with minimal guards the kids would run into the resident punching bags room and beat the shit out of them.
The whole while my parents had been fighting for my release. After 4 months I had a court date, the judge looked over my file and realized what had happened. The judge proceeded to berate my social worker on his mistake and I was immediately released.
The first day for everybody is different, I worked AP room in county for a minute so I saw all new inmates for roughly a month, 18-30 per day.
For people who have never done a bid before, most panic. It's weird...getting naked infront of strangers, but I guess start at the beginning.
Getting transported in is shit and makes you uncomfortable as fuck, either 3 things, you know how to bid and brought 10 pair of underwear, 3 white shirts, socks, and nikes that are not Jordan's, and you most likely have subs stuffed up your ass, so your seriously bummed out waiting to get into a cell or into a dorm. You've never done a bid before and you probably came in from court, lol, your all set. Or you know bidding basics and aren't in full on freak out mode but are depressed as fuck.
Most people freak out hard right now, in holding in AP. You're jammed in, your about to lose the things you own, strip down and be given tans or a jumper and be given a new life.
After that, if your not a junky you wont understand a lot of whats happening, the shitting and vomiting. Seizures and sneezing, the smell and the stealing, getting used to cops.
Mostly I thought, on my first day, scared and angry. That goes away fast.
Ok, so, I actually went to juvenile detention multiple times as a teenager, all for dumb reasons.
First, I got put on "diversion" for breaking curfew by being outside my friends house at midnight. I had just moved to that town and had never heard of such thing as a citywide curfew in my life. It was across the street from my own house, I could see my mom sitting on the porch.
So, when you're on diversion as a kid, you have to maintain certain grades in school, or else you go to the juvenile detention center for the weekend. The entire weekend.
I'm bad at math. Like, really bad. I had a constant F in algebra (8th grade).
So...the weekend after I was put on diversion, I was taken directly from school, to the sheriff's Dept, and then they transported me to the detention center (like 2 hours away).
Handcuffs and all!
My parents were PISSED, they thought it was ridiculous. I was generally a good kid.
I cried the entire time, pretty much.
I was also on my period, at the time. I had to remove my tampon in front of several officers, get strip searched, and had to pee in front of officers.
My very first thought, though?
Just fear, pretty much. "What am I supposed to do? How do I fix this? How do I protect myself in here?" Worst time of my life, honestly. And that continued to happen almost every weekend of that school year.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's the strip search process like? What do they make you do step by step?
Exactly like adult jail I assume. They search your hair, ears, mouth, you have to strip completely naked, expose ALL of your body parts, squat and cough to make sure there's nothing in your vagina. Then they make you do a urine drug test, then they make you take a shower. All of this is being done in front of at least one officer, usually more.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you say "expose all of your body parts" what do you mean? Is it like OITNB?
Like, I had my arms covering my breasts and my vag, obviously. But they told me to move my arms so they could see every part of me. I had to turn around, hold my arms up, etc.
Also I'm kinda wondering why you're so curious about what getting naked in a juvenile detention center was like. I was a child.
nononoey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, Iโm never gonna get a job. Maybe a bit of, โIโm never fucking telling anyone about thisโ.
Really, it was just insanely boring and I read several terrible books and slept more than ever. I didnโt know what to expect next and no one will tell you anything. The plumbing sucked and nothing went down the toilet and stayed down. I havenโt thought about this for years now.
Moby000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:55:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was arrested, I was first brought to the jail to await trail and literally the first minute I was put into a waiting area to be processed, there were these 2 huge guys who just had a fight with each other and were separated by a metal door with a hatch on it and were still talking about wanting to fight/stab each other. I crapped my pantaloons.
Then after I got sentenced a few weeks later and was being transferred to prison, I was super nervous because of the paranoia and all the stories you hear about it but actually it was super nice. The prison was 3 years old so basically brand new. The jail I was in was at around 4-5 times capacity and there are mattresses in every single area except the kitchen. Jail was dirty and stinky but prison was clean, everyone has their own proper bed with no overcrowding so I was kind of releived.
I only went in for 5 days. It was a pod with 30 inmates. I learned a lot.
- Cops will lie on the stand and not even blink
- Prosecutors will make you sound like Charlie Manson, even if you're only up there on motor vehicle charges
- Public defenders suck. NEVER get a public defender. A real lawyer will SAVE you money.
- Of the 30 guys in my pod, 20 were black and all of them pretty nice guys, from what I could tell. The 5 white guys were the scary ones and I started to see how black guys might be getting the short end of the stick here.
- Never cheat at cards in prison.
flegerjr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:34:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just how pathetic the majority of people that was there, and that I needed to fix myself right away because I have been better, I can be better and I will be better.
I've never heard so many people's attempts to make themselves the victim. There were a couple that owned their shit but in the wrong way. Pride in the acts they commited. Only a couple though. The majority of the rest were whining sniveling pity party having bitches. Nothing was their fault. I used my time there to figure it out. I've been sober for almost 2.5 years now.
Also the jail medical system almost killed me, that also scared the hell out of me. I'm a type 1 diabetic and they decided to halve my doses. Also their diabetic meal, was no different then a normal meal except no sugar. Trouble is carbs are the biggest thing with diabetes, you might be able to guess what the meals are mostly. And they didn't let me add those carbs from that meal to my dose. The guards would laugh and joke about my blood sugar being so high. My blood sugar was over 400 for 5 days, before I was released initially. Refusing to give me more than the halved dose their "doctor" decided for me. I don't have a case against them though according to my lawyer. Fuck the "justice" system.
They wanted me to spend a long time with them. With their medical care, I would have absolutely died. This was around the time that a young woman died in California for the same thing. Luckily, some judge created a program a few years before when he figured out that a lot of combat veterans coming home were getting into substance abuse troubles. So I had and have a lot of work to do but my future is my own.
Haha, well actually. They called me at around 6 am telling me to go to the police station in my area there they questioned me and got arrested. Way later I found out that apparently I confessed to my crime on my own ( the police officer spoke basically no english). After that they transported me to the prosecutor were I gave my story and everything. Soon they took me back to the station and said goodbye to my parents as I was gonna be transported to a facility to wait for my trial since it was under investigation. The thing is that the day before I got called to the station I got piss drunk (I had no clue it was gonna happen and I was underage). After I woke up I was still drunk and I had to go through the whole thing with 10 pieces of gum in my mouth and tried to look as straight as possible. Nobody suspected anything. After I arrived to juvie and got processed and everything, at first when I was doing the processing and leaving my valuables in the storage place, I was pretty calm but as they were walking me to my block, that's when I started to realize I was gonna face the music. My first thought was literally to punch the first vicious person I see and I was getting ready to get absolutely fucking beat up, my plan was to seem like I had massive balls. Seem tough as shit. As I was going through the last block door I was greeted by the friendliest fellows hahaha. The first thing each one of them asked was what I was in for. It felt very unexpected. While I was in there never was any sort of violence or problems.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in isolation throughout the whole period (2 weeks only) and was insanely high on X (there was a warant out for me and I fucked up at a party) so I wasn't bothered at all. I remember being happy and meditating. Next day I found out the t.v. in the cell is also a gamecomputer. My mission became setting high scores, which I didn't, there was some computernerd in there before me I think.
This case never went to trial luckily, lack of evidence, pfieuww.
The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shit they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time. The only question is, who's it gonna be?
I'm not gonna put my partner through this. 8 years of just visits and writing painful letters where we've long run out of shit to say other then, "I miss you.". The sooner I call and end it the better it will be for both of us.
I went to kid jail for ten weeks and my first thought was that my life was over because of something really stupid (Truancy issues are apparently no joke). The second thought was that the other teen girls there seemed much older and bigger than me.
I went to jail for having weed in a small town when i was 19. They considered me driving high even though it was just in the car. 18 hour mandatory hold before bail could be posted. First thing I thought was I didn't deserve to be there and most of the officers there acted like giant dicks to you for no reason. (The night guards were cool as fuck tho)
In case someone wants to read more I'll explain my experience. My arresting officer gave me shit the whole way there telling me I'd die if I continue to smoke. When I was waiting in the holding area to get a cell he stormed in with a bag that had baggies and needles you'd use for meth. He must not of cleaned the car before He got me. He yelled at me saying it's a felony to leave shit in the police car. I denied that it was mine and nothing ever came of it thankfully. When I got my cell my cell mate was actually a mutual friend so we got along well.
All of the inmates were very nice and said I didn't deserve to be there. All in all it after the initial getting there shock it was mostly just boring as fuck.
Spent the night in overnight lock up because I couldn't be arsed to pay my traffic tickets.
It was very self-segregating. Lots of tough gang banger dudes had taken over the front half of the cell and they all knew each other in spite of the fact that they had all com in individually. At one point an African dude asked them why they were saying the n-word so much. They punched him in his face. Then he came to the back part of the cell near the toilet where the rest of us people were hanging out waiting.
Later that night a rather large biker dude got in a fight with the deputies out in the hall and we could hear him getting slammed into the wall.
Lucky for me my father came down and paid off my tickets so I could get out that morning.
Going to jail royally sucks!!!!
I tried to mentally adapt as soon as I was booked, mainly because I had no bond until I made my court date, which could have been up to 6 or 8 months away. I tried to familiarize myself with my surroundings, including names and faces. Most importantly, I did not become obsessed with counting my remaining days of being locked up. (So many inmates tend to do this.) If you have a care and worry free approach to your current incarceration, it helps your time go by somewhat faster.
How much it felt like a high school reunion . All honesty I seen people I haven't seen in years , we caught up. I was only in for like 3 days but I actually had a decent time. They were smoking weed at night . This was in Philly on state road in house of corrections . Church was drug dealing central lol.
punit352 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shame and disappoint I brought upon my parents.
Repost from a previous comment of mine a year or two ago:
I was in a cell for a week in Denver City Jail. My cell mate was in for the week waiting on a pick up to take him over to ICE holding. He was older, and since he was being held and transferred over an immigration issue, he was deemed low risk. It turns out he was a famous Ethiopian torturer who had killed and maimed hundreds of prisoners. He was part of the 'Red Terror' and was not a good guy. Being in 23 hour lockdown with this guy in a cell the size of a walk in closet was interesting to say the least.
We did nothing but talk pretty much. When you're locked in a tiny cell with someone 23 hours a day, with no possessions or books, you have to spend the time chatting. He was a relatively nice roommate, seemed soft spoken, and was always thankful when I gave him some of my meals. He did remark in the beginning how much nicer American jails were than the jails back in Ethiopia. I didn't realize immediately that he was not a victim of bad prisons back home, but really was part of the problem and was an awful human being. Sleep with one eye open when you're in a locked room with a mass murderer with nothing to lose - he has a death sentence back in Ethiopia and was not looking forward to being possibly deported.
tldr: My cellmate murdered over 200 people and tortured many more.
"I can't believe I'm in here for being out past curfew"
_BigMike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
for anyone going to 'jail'. Understand this... it's the same as going to a fucking dirty bus station and waiting for 23 hours for your bus, but there are no chairs to sit on, and the toilets are open for everyone to see you. Oh, and homeless like people are all around you.
Prison, on the other hand, is like a new land with new laws. You are on the 'inside' and waiting to get 'outside'.
In both cases, its the 'big wait'.
paddirn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail 10 days for a DUI. First thought walking in was, "Holy shit, I'm going to get raped." Turned out to be a lot more boring than that. Just alot of sitting around reading, watching tv, trying to sleep, eating, and talking. I was one of 3 white guys in that group of something like a dozen guys.
I took the top bunk when I first came in and thought the dude underneath me was gonna kill me, the biggest guy in the place, because he didn't want anyone sleeping above him. He obviously didn't, and he was a funny guy, though he did choke a Mexican guy out for some small perceived slight against him.
There was also a guy who was in there with us that I saw later on some years later at Cheesecake Factory as a waiter, though he pretended he didn't know me (or had just completely forgotten a random guy he barely knew for 10 days in jail.
I remember one guy was trying to make his own hooch or whatever in there. He basically had a bottle or plastic bag filled with fermenting fruit and he would sprinkle in bread crumbs. Apparently it was the shit when you haven't had any real alcohol in awhile.
I started off on the top bunk and it fucking sucked. They had the lights on 24/7 and I could never sleep. Eventually, as people moved on, I was able to get a bottom bunk and away from the bright lights. Underneath the bottom of the top bunk was covered in porn image cutouts, every single inch. It was one of the only rays of sunshine in that shitty place.
Not jail but psych ward, tried to kill myself, parents and cops held me back. Was drunk enough to choose the psych ward over going home with my parents. I remember talking to a doc about why I wanted to jump (off a bridge that is.) Stuck inside a room until I blew a .00. I thought about how big of a mistake I made, hiding the secret of wanting to end it all, truly being depressed, and how the my other half would take it. Finally got out late afternoon next day, talked to some people, met some people worse off than me, made me feel better for a bit but still in that hole I've been digging for years now.
I arrived on a bus with 50 other offenders. Obviously when you get there they strip you, and they crammed us all into a small cage where we stood naked waiting in line for a pair of boxers. The intake process took about 6 hours and I remember it being like 50 degrees in there. Then they shave your head and shower you, and you get your number. My mind was pretty much stuck on when I was going to make parole. It makes your time really drag by if youโre thinking of home, but itโs really hard not to.
At the time I went, cell phones where pretty much everyone's main phone, but the phone system in the jail didn't allow you to call cell phones.... Communicating with the outside world was very difficult... Trying to keep your life from going down the drain, while dealing with severe communication issues was basically a nightmare
I was only in jail for 1 day & that is all the jail I need to experience in my life lol. As much as it sucked, it was also an experience that changed me & gave me a whole new appreciation for my freedom.
I am a graffiti writer & have been for most of my life. I never got in trouble. Mostly hit up secluded & abandoned spots, never public active areas, just not my thing. I paint for the pure love of graffiti & not for exposure. Well one day I finally got busted. Realizing that I was in handcuffs & that I was in a cop car headed to jail is a feeling Iโll never forget. I was panicking. I wasnโt too scared of getting caught & going to jail over that, but my phone had been taken away by one of the cops & it was filled with hundreds of photos of pieces I had done all over San Diego over a couple of years. Not knowing what they would do with my phone or if they would add more charges & potentially fuck me big time was why I panicked. I figured I would cooperate as much as I could without ratting anyone out. Had to talk with a super hot gangs detective lady before I was booked into jail so that was a plus lol. Booking process felt like hours. First jail cell was a complete shock. A mixture of random people, homeless dudes mostly, a couple of DUIs, a male prostitute, another homeless dude passed out on the floor & pissing on himself. & a skinhead i clearly remember. We were moved from jail cell to jail cell about 10 different times over the course of about 7 hours & that was absolute hell. Had to get naked in front of about 15 men & spread my ass while a cop flashed a light at it so that really sucked lol. I got booked around 5pm & I didnโt find out what time it was again until about 11pm then finally around 2am it was the last time I was moved to the final cell where I stayed until 10am. No damn clocks anywhere. Only one tiny fucking window where would see a guard pass by once like every 2 hours. Cells were super bright so it was really hard to go to sleep. I didnโt use the toilet even though I really needed to, I just held it. Never saw toilet paper at all either lol. Saw 2 fights go down. One involving the skinhead who kept yelling to the guards that he wanted a cell without black dudes. Same skinhead dude fell asleep under a bench & woke up abruptly, smashed his head on the bottom of the bench & broke his nose, bled all over the floor it was a crazy scene to watch go down while the guards took him out & we were moved again since it was a hazard not knowing if he had any disease. Using the phone to make a phone call when you have never been to jail can be super confusing. Took me about 2 hours of trying to finally figure out how to contact my parents. I was supposed to get bailed out but for some reason it took almost a day. From the moment I got arrested until the moment I stepped out of jail it was 23 hours. It was definitely an experience. But what I remember the most was how much it fucking sucked to not know what time it was & how much time had passed. Those 23 hours felt like an eternity to me. Not knowing what is going on outside. โWhy I canโt contact my family or my girlfriend? Why I havenโt gotten bailed out. Maybe Iโm not getting out since they have my phone & are pinning more evidence on me?โ The boredom was terrifying. You are alone with your thoughts & that makes time slow down even more. Eventually when I was finally out & i realized it had literally been just 1 damn day I could not even imagine what itโs like to live like that on a daily basis. Donโt ever want to back to jail lol.
TL;DR.
Got busted for graffiti & spent a day in jail.
TIME. Time & boredom is all I could think of while in jail. Your mind can easily get lost when you donโt know what time it is or what the heck is going on outside.
I remember seeing two women on the floor of the jail cell. They were so pale, and sweating but shivering. I had never seen withdrawal before, I thought about how they looked like they should be in a hospital, not here.
After being locked in I realized they forgot to give me my phone code and take my medical info. Without my meds I shortly became suicidal and essentially shut down for the night. Without my phone code I couldn't call my family for support.
A whole bunch of disbelief. I was there at 17, for slapping my 15 year old brother, who was punching and kicking me, being charged as an adult with abuse of a minor. This was after being heavily abused for the first 12 years of my life. A whole damn lot of disbelief.
I got out of the back of an unmarked Chevy in the parking lot of the correctional facility. It was bright as all can be as it was summer and the end of June. It was hot and all I remember was so much white noise. I walked in and saw uniformed cops, everywhere, and people being led from one bay to another. This was classification/processing/intake. It was miserable. All I wanted to do is sleep. After intake I got moved to a different wing in the jail where they house those that are addicts and coming off the streets blasted. That was me. I got moved into a their, assigned a cell number, and that number would be what I call home for the next couple days. Everything gets stripped when you go in. You are not allowed to have anything personal. Privacy is a comical joke. As for what went through my head? It was like "this is happening this is jail this is happening this is jail fuck how did I wind up here this is real " ..
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It felt so much like jail. More jail-like than being crammed in the backseat on an 8 hour car trip. For example, I was fucking cold. But you gotta wear what they give you and you aren't allowed to lie under your blanket in unless it's night. You mainly sit there and think. The bookshelf had maybe 50 books. Sometimes I'd talk to my cellmate but most of the time we wouldn't. We got along fine, it's just that even talking to one person is boring.
And the guys next to us talked all the time, laughing and shouting, fuck they were annoying but they were scary dudes.
And the light was on all the time, just slightly dimmer at night. I couldn't believe they were just going to leave us in a cell for 18 or 20 hours. They could just as easily let us hang out in the pod, it wouldn't make any difference to them, it wouldn't cost them anything- that was my thinking at least.
I got in trouble for doing pullups off the stairs my first full day. I didn't understand, I was like "I'm not hurting anything. What's the problem? There's literally no reason I can't do pullups" but if you got to do what you wanted, it wouldn't be jail.
I had a hard time reconciling "I'm not hurting anybody why can't you leave me be" with "this is jail. Half the point is keeping you from doing what you want"
Attempted Murder at age 13, served 17 months on a 2 yr sentence.First night I thought, "I wonder how far away I am from my house", because I didnt understand for a very long time that I wasnt getting out.
Everything sort of piled up all at once. My older brother had been locked up for a couple of months which really broke my spirit. My power had been out for two weeks. We had no food. My foster parents had kicked me out so I had to stay with my biological mom. My mom wouldn't get out of bed or go to work. My older sister had been put in a foster home. I had spent most of the day either shoplifting for food or breaking into cars or huffing glue in my room. I didn't have any friends. One day my older brother's friends came over and picked me up to get high. They convinced me this kid down the street was talking shit about my brother and that I should attack him. I was very impressionable and very angry at the world. It really didn't take much convincing to get me to agree. They arranged everything and drove me to go attack him. I beat him with a pipe in front of a neighbor. I hit him maybe 40-50 times. I slept in the woods for ten days before being caught. Eventually the same people that convinced me to attack him turned me in once the detectives started coming to their house. They told them where I was staying in the woods and where I would go during the day and they easily caught me.
I was very selfish, very young and very stupid.
nyyyk ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:43:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested back in '08, when protesting at the Republican National Convention (this was during the bush/Cheney administration, lots to protest about) Protest got a little wild, and riots started to break out. It turned into something from a movie, riot police started surrounding us, shooting tear gas and rubber bullets. Riot police are THE worst police, they can do almost anything and get away with it. I saw a girl trying to surrender, dropped to her knees and put her hands behind her head in front of 10 cops, lined up. One of the officers sprayed her with mace, while the other cops just laughed. Eventually we were cornered, and gave up. Police kicked and punched us while we were laying on the ground. Eventually got put into the bus, and hauled to county jail. So by the time i was put in the processing cells, we all had a lot of interesting stores of where we were during the crackdown. Met some cool people. I ended up getting put into solitary confinement (it was a large protest, so the jail was full). Then the experience went down hill form there. Being locked in solitary confinement for 72 hours does something to you. I cant imagine the people who spend years in there. So my first 24 hours went from a peaceful protest, to riots, to beatings, to story time, and finally my mind driving myself crazy.
Ho-lee shit, I didn't make it to that protest but yeah NYC riot police don't fuck around. Was at a WTO protest in January 2002, so obviously the whole city is on edge, and the riot cops just rushed everyone without warning.
I spent the better part of a day in jail at West Valley detention center in Rancho Cucamonga, CA.
Definitely not the same as gp at the jail or even prison. But what was going through my head was how dumb I was to be in that position.
The food is not as bad as I thought it would be, and it's pretty constant. I got something probably every 4-6 hours it felt like. It was probably about 10 in the morning, and most of the cell was asleep (common theme.) We had gotten some nonfat milk earlier, and I had opened the carton and drank some and left it open on my rack. I fell asleep as well, and then I rolled over and spilled the milk. Being on the top rack, the milk got all over the person underneath me. He jumped up and starting cursing me out and threatening me. Went from asleep to coursing adrenaline almost instantly. Realized I didn't ever need to have that lesson again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went just for a couple days. Drinking a beer in a park at age 19 with a friend. Everyone was pretty cool because we were just some dumb kids who didn't even do anything wrong. My main thought was that I was angry we didn't finish the second case of beer, because I was still pretty sober and had to sit there for hours. They spared us the drunk tank though so that was good. The cops rolled up just as we had ripped the top off the case and poured ice in. So the jailers made a show of passing the beers out around themselves and loudly commenting how nice we were to bring them beer and that they were even cold. When the lady cop woke me up to let me out two days later I rolled over and went back to sleep. I got 24 AA classes, which I stopped going to after the first two or three because I realized there was no way for the court to actually verify you went to them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least for me I got a sheet of paper that needed 24 signatures. You go and at the end somebody signs your paper. The first couple times the guy leading the meeting did it. But the third time the guy leading the meeting was like, "Hey Bob sign this kid's paper for me will ya? I'm busy". And Bob was like just some alcoholic, dude wasn't even a sponsor or anything. So that's when I realized any asshole could sign it and I went around my friends having different people sign fake names.
It was weird because there was a decent sized group of us that were younger and there on a court order. I was self-aware enough at that age to know I wasn't an alcoholic and also that AA is kind of a wierdo religious cult in some ways. But some of the kids I was there with decided they were alcoholics, and like they weren't, I knew them from school and stuff. They were just pretending to be alcoholics to fit in and cause you got some sort of group props for "admitting" it. Really strange.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A poorly made shank that was kiestered.
rushmid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I had to fight someone, You actually dont Have to fight anyone. Just keep to yourself.
Glad I didnt make that mistake.
souzapj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"glad im only here til i have a friend sober enough to come get me"
One of my old friends went to jail right after they got done with groceries and she kept groaning about how much of a waste of food and money that was.
Not weird at all. She was caught with drugs in the car and was slightly intoxicated.No one paid her bail and that was the only thing on her mind at the moment I guess.
Who is the biggest guy here so i can either suck his dick or fuck him up!
Foo3112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought "get me the fuck out please"
There was a bunk bed one I entered the cell. One guy was sleeping on top and the other on a styrofoam mat on he floor. I took the bottom bunk. I'm trying to fall asleep and the guy on the floor starts snoring. The guy on the top bunk yells at me to stop snoring. I tell him it's not me. Then the guy on the floor wakes up for a moment but then begins snoring again. I prayed the situation wouldn't escalate. Fortunately I was bailed out within an hour or two.
I remember thinking how inhumane everything felt. Shitting in front of a group of your cell mates with one square of tp...wtf. After the first few hours you become an animal. They take away anything that makes you human. Anybody who has been in the system can tell you, changing for the better is the most difficult thing to do in jail/prison, as 90% of the people there donโt want to change.
It was only for two days, but even then, I'll never forget the sound of the lock on the door closing for the first time. I think someone else also mentioned the terror that comes with the realization that you can't go anywhere even if you wanted to. I remember thinking that and then having a very strong, sudden urge to vomit.
Clacken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first day the first time wasn't so bad, I knew I had family coming to get me out so it wasn't a big deal. Same with the second time. The first day the third time was miserable, I had no one coming and no chance to leave without paying my dues. Most of the first day was in a holding cell with 12 or 15 other idiots who have done mostly worse things than myself. But a lot of us were there for a small amount of weed.
Anyway it sucked. I got over it pretty quickly and got into the swing of things, because if you don't, it really starts to get bad for you.
Edit: my jail saying was always "First your money, then your clothes. That's just the way it goes."
When they brought me in, I was blacked out but the officers told me I urinated on the chair in the holding cell. When I woke the next morning I was terrified, which become even worse when I saw the front page of the newspaper and recognized the murderers face on it. I was sharing a table with him for breakfast.
Ah fuck. Now im gonna be broke AND a homeless drug addict(i was before, am not now)
419lol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was just one night in the drunk tank because I was in a friendโa car who I didnโt know had been drinking. He got a DUI and I got drunk in public. This was just this last weekend, so I donโt know how itโs going to affect me in the future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of shithole do you live in where you actually get arrested for being drunk in public?
419lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He pulled off the highway to check out a noise his Jeep was making, and next thing we know there's blue lights behind us. They pull both of out of the car because they could smell alcohol, and proceeded to field sobriety test him and question me. I told the officer repeatedly that I didn't know if he had been drinking, at which point he cuffed me and booked me up.
bone420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I was so worried I didnโt have my phone. I was coming off of heroin and kept accusing people of taking it, feeling it vibrate in an imaginary pocket, etc. been clean since so I guess I was reformed.
"Surely I've been in here a couple days already"
Nope, only 6 hours.
"It's probably Monday now, so the judges will be here"
Nope, still Saturday.
"Ok, it's definitely been a couple days now."
12:05 am, so technically Sunday.
"Oh, that's why they call it doing time"
Iโm gonna be living in a van down by the river when I get out
Kidd5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I need to reevaluate my life choices.
And I did.
lsherida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This is all just a huge misunderstanding and I'm sure the completely fair and well-managed criminal justice system will figure that out any moment now and correct this gross miscarriage of justice."
Guess how it *actually* turned out...? Nineteen-year-old me was pretty naive.
real answer here- 47 now. Locked at 18, you sit in jail for quite awhile waiting even after receiving a sentence. By the time you go you are ready to GTFO of county jail. Prison reception was (and on some levels still is) the most fearful day of my fucking life. From the moment you arrive and are in no short terms informed you can be killed by guard or inmate at any fucking time. I could go on but suffice it to say it was rough, a cross between boot camp and jailhouse. After 30 days at a reception center you get bussed to a permanent prison. This is where you serve your term, I got lucky and went to the youth offender prison. I was young and going to fast, that shit gave me a breather to think about the fuck I was going to do with my life. I walked away having gave up near on a year of my life. I walked out with 92$ and the clothes on my back.....I flopped around for about 2 weeks after I got out, got my shit together. It took years to recover the lost ground. But in the end it actually helped me I guess, in retrospect. It is a mark on your life though, and while with time and effort you can largely erase it from your past, on some level it will always be there.
Noticed for the first time just how racist the system is. Your last name determined how an officer treated you long before they ever saw you. The skinheads got better treatment than minorities and I couldn't realize why til someone pointed out that it was cus they were white. Thankfully that visit was enough to set me straight.
Woke up in a holding cell after a night of drunken stupidity.
First day was mostly, "when the fuck can I get out of here?" and playing spades with some of the other guys. Wondering how bad I fucked my life up.
The answer was pretty bad. I got felony charges that stuck for 6 years before I could get them expunged. Getting a job as a felon is pretty fucking difficult.
It wasn't real until the bus pulled into the main gate of the prison and I was surrounded by numerous razor wire and electric fences. When the gate slammed shut behind us I thought, 'fuck! shit just got real!'
The first 'dorm' you go to is a classification and intake dorm and everyone there is trying to prove they aren't soft and it was wild as fuck. This was a medium/max security prison and a lot of the guys there had nothing to lose. I saw my first fight within 2 hours of being there, and it was not a one on one. It is honestly overwhelming and the paranoia is insane. It took me nearly a month to settle down a little bit.
Wasnโt me but a friend. Heโs white, 6โ6โ, broad shouldered. He said that he was more terrified of what his mother would do when he was going to get out than the guys inside. However the most confusing part for him was that the white guys wouldnโt make eye contact with him but the black guys were nice as hell. He never found out why, or at least admitted to knowing the reason.
treblen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Find friends fast. Link up with your bunkie; gota stick together.
Fakacal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
was overcoming the ecstasy crash. i felt exuberant and amazing. nothing could faze me. 3 hours later.. was like "wtf happened." welp, play those games, when those prizes
I was worried the whole way there in the back of the van, thinking I was going to have to fight upon arrival, worried about my mum crying as I was taken out the docks, worried that my girlfriend would leave me.
Luckily the first face I saw was a old friend of mine from back home ( I had a few in there at the time). Unfortunately the last time I saw him was in jail next I heard he died of an overdose on his doorstep one week after release.
bigb0592 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was still on vacation the first day, so I didn't actually mind it. It was all a completely new experience for me and I was in a pretty good mood.
The hopelessness and worry sunk in the morning of the next day. For some reason the previous night we had some limited reign to walk around the jail complex, but I tried to open the door of the group quarters the morning of the next day and it was locked. I wasn't in my home state and I had no idea what I was up against (hauling ass, pot possession, paraphernalia).
That feeling didn't last long. Maybe because I was exceedingly nice and cooperative with everyone from the arresting officer on, I was the first to see the judge and released on bail--seems rural counties just want their money, and I had $300 in cash on me of $1500 or so in fines. In fact because I didn't lie when the cop asked me if I had pot (he said he smelled it on me, turns out he says that to everyone) he didn't even charge me with a drug DUI which would have completely fucked me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These apples are delicious
OmgOgan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a picky eater, the food was atrocious. Also boredom. No entertainment except scheduled TV time. Also the worst is the toilet being there with your mate, gotta take care of your business in front of them.
for clarification, jail is where you go when you're waiting for your court date. prison is where you usually go once you're convicted and sentenced to a stretch of time.
my first day I thought I was going to see fights and other bad shit
we literally sat around the TV watching Erin Brokovich
"Wow, people here are a lot nicer than I was expecting."
Although I went to jail lite. It wasn't County prison, we had pods and were only locked down at night. 2 to a pod in a bunk bed. The worst part was the food, showering and trying to brush your teeth. And obvious boredom. But you can basically sleep all day long if you choose too.
My thoughts were wondering how I was going to use the bathroom in front of 2 strangers and am I supposed to just poop in front of people? It was strange. But thankfully only had to do 15 days
I got booked for a DUI and possesion right before Christmas. I swear the jail was kept at like 50. I was the only person in the jail that night too, so it was really quiet.
โWill this native girlโs sugar daddy bail me out too???โ
Gaia227 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested on a Friday, couldn't make bail so had to sit until Monday to see the judge. One of My first thoughts after meeting my cell mate was "holy shit, I have to deal with this crazy bitch all weekend'. That would be one of the hardest things for me, having to share this tiny space with someone. You better hope like hell you get along. This woman was soooooo annoying. She was your typical trashy meth head type; no teeth, loud, ignorant.....I felt like I was talking to a 10 yr old, not a 40 some year old. All she did was talk about herself, her trashy boyfriend, her kids who she lost custody of because A. she's a meth head and B. her BF is a registered sex offender (but he didn't 'do nothing bad!'). At some point she somehow convinced herself, with no input from me, that when I got out on Monday I was going to come back and pay her bail then she would pay me back (haha yeah right).
Those were two days of hell. If I had been alone I would've been okay. I knew I was getting out and that I just had to wait it out but she made it freaking miserable. She never shut up. Ever.
I know a guy who went to prison for identity theft/credit card fraud.When he got out after 3 years, he was actually very pleased and thankful, becouse before getting cought he hid his money by buing bitcoin. Guess what happened to bitcoin in 3 years?
kayweg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, look at all these fucking criminals. Oh wait.
Calling my parents from the holding cell for bail money is and will always be the hardest and worst phone call I will ever make
gillzj00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This isn't so bad". I've been to jail a couple times in college for alcohol and drug related offenses. The longest I spent in there was 4 days, I think. Jail is just really boring. Patrick Swayze died while I was in jail so I like to tell people that whenever Patrick Swayze gets brought up. I don't mind laughing about it now because I am doing well in my career and haven't been arrested in almost 10 years (knock on wood.)
Boring as hell. All these books suck. The cell mates are retarded. Food is shit. Ill just not go poop for the 2 days im here. I was bigger than pretty much everyone since it was almost 100% scrawny heroin junkies there so really was just bored out my mind more than anything. I kept thinking how lucky i am to be able to leave in 48 hours compared to others in there for a month+ the scariest part was going through the initial process of being put in jail (mug shots, being spoken to by the faculty, putting on the prison clothing and all that.
"How the fuck did I let myself end up in this situation" was more or less it. I'm not a threatening looking dude so I wasn't too worried about people trying to fight me. That having been said, my cellmate in the intake block (before you've been fully classified into minimum/medium/max security) was in town for a court case and was 7 years into a 25 year sentence for murder.
Little late, but did a stint in January. I was mainly thinking how to make friends so I wasn't a loner and stood out. Also how the fuck am I going to go through the rest of my time without losing my mind. I made it. First day out was like being high as fuck on life.
Well my thoughts all went to shit when the inmates decided to play a prank on me and tell me I was in the pedophile cells. They asked me how old was the little girl I raped and proceeded to keep asking over and over as I nearly shit my pants. Jail was a fun time. I was only 19 so they took a chance to play a prank. I will never forget the fear and terror that ran through me.
How much I missed home, and of course wondering about whether I would be attacked or raped.
I didn't have my first fight for a few weeks.
The thing that stood out the most of my first day was the night. My celly either thought I was well asleep or didn't care and masturbated. For some reason that was the most psychologically damaging part, it just made it all very real. I was now in a world where I didn't matter to anyone, at any time. That really made it all hit home.
I advise everyone in this thread to go lookup After Prison Show on YouTube. The host is a guy who's been locked up for 10 years off and on and tells some hilarious and sobering stories about his times in jail/prison. He's very charismatic and while not all of his stuff is great, he sends home a pretty clear message... You do not want to spend time behind bars.
I went for one day and all I could think about was the boredom and why prison violence happens. There's NOTHING to do!
Kgb725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking i was gonna be gone for like 10 years because I stole cars and guns so I had both federal and state charges but I only did 6 months and got probation for a few years because I was young , had no record , and had a great support group around me. I didn't hate my time in jail oddly enough
Everyone pretty much nailed it from my experience, but the giant takeaway was telling myself "I will never be in this situation again" & sticking to it.
edit: grammars
bfm-123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โDo they really expect me to take a shit in front of everybody?โ
I did 30 days in Idaho, and it wasn't as horrible as I thought it would be.
Akuzed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit. I shouldn't even be here.
tempezst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Holy fuck this is boring"
Jail sucks for sure but the food and shitty bed and all of that I got used too but I never got over the boredom. You are given almost nothing to do and just have to sit in a room alllllll day every day. The opportunity to mop the floors even got exciting eventually.
kdryan1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent a week in jail for 'Felony wanton endangerment.' I was locked up with a seven other people. They were an assortment of meth addicts Petty criminals and wife beaters. I learned more about myself in a week from those people than I have in my whole life. I wish I could see some of them again.
ethanwa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First thought honestly: โI wonder how long I am going to be here?โ and โthis sucksโ
Went to Federal prison for a year for Wire Fraud felony.
How much drinking has fucked up my life over the previous eight years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โHoly shit this is actually happening.โ
Incredibly panicked, scared, and uncomfortable. First week was one of the worst weeks of my entire life. Under 24/7 surveillance locked in a small room just large enough to fit a 3โ wide bed and a toilet and sink. Guards came to check on me every 10min and watched the camera in my room. Essentially no human interaction for a week and I was only allowed to leave my cell for 3 minutes to shower.
After that first week I was put in group holding and everything got better. Met some cool people and got to talk and joke around. Made the time go by faster than staring at a wall all day because thatโs all there was to do in the first cell I was in. You werenโt allowed to sleep during the day and if you get caught the guards would start screaming at you.
20y/o female here. I was convicted of two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one count of aggravated robbery. Spent a year in the county jail and was released on 3 years of probation. I originally had 15 charges, 12 of which were felonies.
I started in juvie when i was 17. I was immediately placed on suicide watch for the first 4 days. I cried and slept mostly. Things werent bad there, they had an xbox 360. I was in juvie for six weeks until I turned 18. They then walked me over to the adult side of the jail. Theres no xbox in big kid jail. I was scared shitless, to say the least. My first night all I did was cry.
At first it was all really surreal. I mostly had two thoughts: "This isn't happening to me" and "I'm going to prison" as time went on, it just kind of all blended together, but those two thoughts were pretty constant for the whole year. But the first night was the worst.
I have a plan for the day they try to arrest me... Always in place. Always ready. Your life is already over anyways. Doesn't matter if you stole a candy bar or killed someones grandma on Christmas morning.
"how am I going to prove I won't be taken advantage of". Not talking about rape or anything like that. But people will try to hustle, scam, and walk all over you if you show weakness
My first thought was, "My life is completely ruined and I have no idea how long I will be locked in here with these thugs." It turned out to only be 24 hours and I didn't talk to anyone besides the two junkies I knew from my area.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Utter fear. Being stripped naked and asked to cough in county was not nearly as degrading as doing it with the rest of the bus you get transported with. Not to mention it is rarely one on one with a guard that first day. It is 20-50 prisoners to a couple of guards, so it really hits you to know that you are now a number, a feeling that makes you feel sub-human. Being singled out (say for a mistake, not standing in a perfect line) is terrifying because there is no more "hey 1in5million, goodjob/badjob" its "Hey 14334 this is the only time I will correct you, next time you will just get shown what happens when you disobey."
After your group shower/de-lice/get-your-shit-and-get-to-your-area, you are expected to know where to go and what to do without being told, but knowing that if you screw it up, it's solitary for you.
After that comes the general dealings with inmates, learning the ropes and customs of your cellmates. Prison etiquette is quite strict, I mean if you fart, everyone smells it. If you act out, everyone will know and use it when you least expect it.
That first night is the pits. It really sinks in that this is your life now and no matter what happens it will stay within the fence. Whether you make it an easy or hard stay is up to you.
aaaak4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day I thought about beating the shit out of a guard and did. They told me to take off my necklace which my dad gave me on his death bed. I mean its so small it would cause no problems. Then when I was escorted lock and chain and let go just announced where my bed was I got some respect. Not much but it was kind of bullshitting the whole night through.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youll be back
JarlPaul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldnt have dabbed THAT deep and low...
Prixm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt even go to jail. I just got a fine on 1000 dollars and registered as a violence offender or what is called, English is not my first language. For hitting a guy once in the face because he fucked my best friends girlfriend and hit my best friend in the chest. Now my whole future is destroyed. I am a nurse by education, no one will hire me for atleast 4 more years (total of 5) until it goes away from my crime register. For one punch that he so deserved. I learned one thing, I will let my friends get hit and I will do absolutely nothing.
I did a year in jail. I was sentenced on 4/1/2003. When they took me down to the holding cell before booking me in to the jail, all I could think of is the judge is going to open the door any minute now tell me April Fools, LOL. After the first couple hours my thought process is more long lines of trying to figure out what I can do to make my stay as easy as possible. Luckily jail is a lot different in prison.
I spent a year in county jail for growing weed when i was 20. Turned 21 in jail. The first day i was trying to prepare myself mentally to put on a tough guy act. Figured there was going to be a lot of people trying to fuck with me or start shit to show how badass they are. Turns out it was just 90% people who got caught with drugs, dui, or didnt pay child support. There were a handfull of violent offenders, domestic abuse ect but most of them got kept in a "hightened security" area. Overall i just played poker and monopoly and watched tv. No one ever fucked w me or tried to start any shit
Mostly just a lot of people like myself, normal people who got caught in a non violent offense or made a mistake. My mentality quickly changed to thinking aboit how far behind i was gunna fall by the time i got out. Im sure prison is a very different experience but luckily in our state they keep you in county jail unless yoir sentence is over a year.
It's been 25 years since I went in, so can't remember my first thoughts. I went through about 10 different facilities during my seven year stay. It sure made things easy knowing several people everytime I rolled on to a new spot.
Immediately when I had the ankle cuffs put on, I had to suppress a smile cuz I figured that wouldn't look good. It was such a "holy shit this is happening" feeling. Then it was just "wow, this food blows"
Spent 14 hours cuffed to a bench in booking, no food, cup of water. Went in already a bit sick from withdrawal, by the time I got out I could barely walk.
this fucking sucks
i need a cigarrette
i am gonna piss myself and I doubt they would notice the smell
gullyfox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally arrested after a 21 hour flight, so I was jetlagged AND had a massive cold. Arrested because I didn't show up in court because they sent the documents to the wrong house.
I was completely out of it. It was surreal. I managed to not cry, finally got to the jail where I was assigned bedding, and a room and I passed out. Woke up to someone banging on the door, saying that I shouldn't be here. They took all of my money (which they paid back 2 months later), gave me a bus voucher and told me to have a nice day. I cried a lot.
Luckily, while I've been, was able to bail out and not get sentenced to anything long term, so for that aspect, I didn't have to worry about it. Well, technically, when I went to juvie, I lost my garden center cashier job at KMart, but that doesn't really count.
Well, first was to figure out how to make sure my son was taken care of by his mom (for the two times I went to jail). Then make sure my car was picked up. Then how to figure out bail. Then how to act so I didn't get my ass beat.
I've been to juvenile detention once and jail twice. Non violent stuff. Juvie was the most violent. It was full of little shits trying to make a name for themselves, so there was lots of fights. No matter how you acted, odds are, you were gonna get in a fight just because. Someone would get challenged to beat someone's ass and you'd be the Randy that was walking by that got chosen.
Luckily, most of the fights were just pissing contests, so as long as you fought back, most were over quickly and you'd get respect from the kid who started it and you were cool.
Second was a smaller town where everyone was in one large room and most of the people were drug offenders...who were all coming down. At any moment someone could lose their shit and flip out. As long as you stayed quiet and kept to yourself, you were probably fine.
The other time was in a fairly decent size city, so they separated the violent criminals from people who made shitty choices and got busted. We just chilled out, shot the shit and waited on our bail to come through.
luddyjun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn my mum is going to be so fucking disappointed. What will she think?
Was with my friend where we usually fish. He was fishing, I wasn't. Regional park officer comes up to check if my friend has his license, no big deal.
Officer asks to see my I.D. and, not thinking of it, handed it to him. He runs it and turns out i had some bench warrants for unpaid tickets for expired tags on a car I no longer owned. He arrests me and books me at county prison. Even the officers booking me into the prison looked at him and literally asked "You really brought him in for this?"
Spent 14 some odd hours dealing with old man IBS, drunk farting guy, and insane tweeker. Went to court the following weekday and judge tossed out everything but processing fee's or some crap and took it off my record. She told me she had never heard of someone arrested for expired tags tickets and didn't have to show I.D. to officer.
Was maybe 23 then or around there. Since then i started to give a shit about my rights and found out your best bet is to not talk to cops. Oh, and make sure you send in that lease of liability to the DMV.
When I was 20 I went to jail a week before Motherโs Day, and all I wanted was to get out and see my mom that Sunday. I didnโt. Giving my mom a collect call from jail on Motherโs Day was one of the hardest things Iโve ever had to do. But it was an eye opening experience.
Eventually I was bonded out, went to rehab for 6 months, and Iโve made sure to see my mom every Motherโs Day since.
Regret that I ate Steak n Shake chili from a can a few hours before my arrest. No one wants to take a bright red colored shit in a bathroom with no doors surrounded by officers.
fatpay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day, thereโs a lot less rape around here than I thought there was.
Decided to make something positive from it all and pick out which girls in my cell block fit the characters in Orange Is The New Black. Ended up writing a blog about it when i got out.
puskas14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I have to use these fucking shoes as a toilet seat guard?
Went to jail in the middle of Mississippi for 4 day/3 nights in 2006, I was 22. I was driving 105 in a 55, I had long hair and was wearing a tiedyed โD.A.R.E. to keep kids off drugsโ T-shirt on. Dude found my empty sandwich bag with my rolling papers, and I wasnโt fooling anyone, but I had smoked everything I had like 20 mins earlier. After the cop realized I wasnโt actually a threat he was fairly decent to me. Handcuffed my hands in the front, let me ride shotgun, right next to his shotgun. We joked around a bit.
They left me a huge group holding cell with about 20 other guys, it was two stories, with bunk beds and picnic tables, plus a 19โ tv with tons of vhs tapes. No A/C and it was the middle of summer. It rained one night and the roofed leaked. Everyone in the cell called me Jesus because of the hair. One guy made me a cross necklace out of melted bags.
I could hardly eat, I was hella embarrassed, thought I was gonna loose my job. But then I had my first lucid dream and I kinda just tripped out on that till my time was up. I was in the middle of dreaming about my old neighborhood when I realized there was no way I could be there because I was in jail. So I decided to head over to my neighborโs house and fuck the girl next door in the their backyard tree fort. But when I started going at it I couldnโt feel anything so I started to ram both my arms up her v-jay to try and pleasure her. Then I woke up. It was weird as fuck and still makes me laugh.
I was young and crazy and I was waiting to be arraigned or whatever its called to see the judge after getting arrested for multiple burglaries, my only arrest ever. Never trust a word jail birds tell you. I was on so many benzos still and just out of my mind, they all convinced me it was at least a couple months to a few years for my crimes. So I got to my cell after just waking up from sleeping for 16 hours, withdrawling from a horrible run of lots of xanax everyday. I had apparently been transported to another county and I was Kinda freaking out with anxiety and my body was feeling like absolute shit but a lot of it was a blur so all I really recall is that it was a really shitty night. I woke up at 6 being told I had to see the judge at 7 in my county, I was so confused as to why I did this and the thought of being in that fucking cell one more day scared the hell out out of me let alone for months or years . I kept waiting and as 7 passed I kept thinking Id missed the arraignment and would have to wait until next week, still thinking I was going get a year if I was lucky . I was miserable and depressed and I can't lie I was scared as fuck in there so I thought if I get convicted suicide would be on the table. Well I waited till 9 o'clock to get called out and proceeded to have a panic attack for the next 3 hours while waiting to speak to my public defender only to have him tell me I was getting released the next day, I thanked him and cried like a little bitch.
ive been there twice. just for a night each time. I'm a skinny white girl and I look like I'm from the suburbs so no one really expects that I've been to jail but anyways
The first time was a few years ago, it was Maricopa county (sheriff Joe's territory). i was in a holding cell for 23 hours at the 4th ave facility, which is pretty notorious for treating the inmates like absolute shit.
I'd stupidly gone into a state office to get a license for something business related and i had a warrant out for my arrest for missing a court date earlier for an unrelated misdemeanor.
they gave me the license i went in for, then immediately cuffed me, said i was under arrest and were walking me out of the building
and my first thought at this point was actually "should I run"
I easily coulda slipped outta those cuffs. I have small hands and tiny wrists. And the guy walking me was kinda a dick, but I could tell this was routine for him and he wasn't paying much attention. He was also overweight and in his fifties, i was probably 20 and very fit. i seriously considered this for like a full minute but then reasoned that even if i got away, I'd have much worse shit on my record like evading arrest so i didn't do it
They threw me in a barred room that was probably 10x8 feet with maybe 15 other people, a metal toilet in the corner and one concrete bench along the back, and slammed the door without bothering to take the cuffs off.. i actually slipped out of them (and then quickly put them back on) to make the other inmates laugh lol.
we all told stories to each other, mainly it was which drugs we currently were coming down off of and how much shit we'd be in at work. Thankfully i had a job that i could just go in to whenever i wanted at the time - there weren't schedules, and i could be "called in" - but really it was more like "hey can you come in?" If i didn't answer, it meant "no I can't." I was so very lucky for this. I felt REALLY bad for some of the other inmates - some were crying because they knew they were out of a job now and how would they feed the kids - it was horribly sad.
After shooting the shit with the other inmates for however long it was, they put us in a different room, it was freezing fucking cold in that one and again no beds or anything just concrete floor to ceiling, one bench and a toilet. it was 100+ outside so I'd been wearing a tshirt and short shorts, it was probably 50 in that room, I found a shirt on the floor and stole it and wrapped myself in it and got screamed at by a CO saying she'd "page 2" me if I didn't take that off. so i did, and i was cold, and that was really all I could fucking think about for the rest of the time I was in there
also how hungry I was. they fed us twice. Just some crackers. One girl was pregnant and they refused to feed her at all (fucked up right) i gave her my food, she didnt want to take it from me but it wasnt right that they could do that to a human being. so i gave her mine, and i didn't eat.
thankfully I had an amazing best friend who figured out what happened to me and got me the fuck out of there. he bailed me out at about 1 am that day but it took me until 10am the next day to make it to the release tank. I was in there 23 hours total and it was brutal af.
the second time i went, it was the tempe jail and it was like being in a hotel room compared to Maricopa county. they gave me a nice little mattress to sleep on, the COs shot the shit with me, offered me a sandwich and actually apologized to me for having to put me in the cell lol. they put me in a room with two other girls (who were both asleep) and my only thought that time was like "well fuck it, guess I'll go to sleep too"
(Jail) โIm finally a baddass... Wow I can scratch my name in the wall... no wait, I might go to prison.... wait no, F*CK my Dad is going to kick my ass when he gets here!โ
It was about 3 hours in a jail cell, felt like a day. I was 15 and had been arrested for assaulting (defending myself against) a fully grown man. However I was tall and I guess he thought I was over 18.
Dad turned up, solicitors sorted with police, I was released with a slap on the wrist. Other guy had a few nights in hospital.
Dad kicked bought me Indian take away that night. Im 30 and heโs never brought it up once.
The first time i went to jail, on the first day I was thinking, "Oh I better be prepared for when we are out of lockdown, I don't know what's gonna happen." This then changed to, "Oh, this isn't so bad, it's kinda chill actually, and I'll be outta here in a couple days probably. No big deal just ride it out..."
Then I met the guy who was there for a assault with a deadly weapon, 3rd offense, charge. He was there awaiting trial, and i heard him get some bad news from his lawyer on the phone. He hung up the phone, turned around, and smashed the first guy he saw in the face. Then he jumped on him and pounded away for a good 60 seconds. He got off and went into his cell, and the guy on the floor got dragged off to PC (protective custody). We had 18 hr lockdown and three 2 hour open times for meals and rec etc, and every time he got out of lockdown this same guy would knock some other random inmate out. I remember one guy was being punked in his cell by this dude and I could hear this smaller guy screaming and begging it to stop from across the block. Listening to that turned my stomach like nothing in my life ever has.
I was very happy to get out after only 3 days in there, and no subsequent time I've been has matched that stay for the brutality and sheer unfocused anger. It was eye opening.
Yes. And before you ask how I have a phone....it's the Philippines. Everyone is corrupt, especially guards.
Immigration won't/can't deport me as the NBI (like FBI but more incompetent) say that I have a case but don't know what it is, who complained, what city or what year. Never been questioned or charged. Just detained indefinitely like many others until I pay enough bribes.
I'm guilty of being a foreigner and not sharing all my wealth with every Filipino I've met.
BatDubb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know that this is an awful thing to think about / wish for / idolize, but I admit that I have always been curious about prison. If we had longer lives, and if it didnโt ruin the rest of your life after prison, and if it werenโt for the risk of being beaten / raped / murdered while in prison, I admit I would be a bit curious to know what it is all about. Specifically Iโm in a morbid way curious about solitary confinement. What sort of insanity does your mind start throwing at you to cope?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I dont fucking belong here"
I was 19 and went to jail for something my mother did. She tried to kill me but of course no one believed me. I got put in solitary for 12 hours and then when placed in minsec every cop treated me like i was a murder except a few who had been working there a long time and could see i didnt belong there. The inmates all saw it too. I was treated very well in my short time there by other inmates.
I didnt belong there and should have never gone. It gave me nightmares for weeks after i was released. It wasnt as bad as some might think, but im a very small and weak person: it was firghtening enough for me. Esspecially since i did nothing wrong.
Well since I was 18 and had never known anyone that went to jail and was assuming it was like tv, I was kinda scared of people sizing me up, and what I would have to do. It obviously varies greatly by the county, but no one did anything to me. They'll try to take advantage of you being new and trade you a soup (ramen noodles pack) for a tray of food whether it be breakfast lunch or dinner, because they know what's coming on what days and want as much food as they can get. Within 24 hours I was relaxed and it was alright. Everyone was cool. The second time at 21 I spent 36 hours in the drunk tank and all that I thought of was "shit I hope I don't lose my job". I was in for 11 days and somehow didn't lose my job. 7 of those days were in the county I was arrested In, 4 in the county my warrant was issued. But I had no idea what was going on in my life outside of jail because I didn't have any phone numbers and I couldn't bail myself out because that wasn't available at that jail yet, so all I was really thinking about when I got settled was using the money in my wallet for commissary lol I was actually excited to get some good junk food. My mom ended up finding out I went to jail and bailed me out which was surprising. I assumed I already lost my job so I just wanted to serve my time and be done with it, but I obviously had no way to tell her that. Main thing in jail is just being bored. The only time I ever saw fights was when someone got caught stealing from someone else, or didn't pay up what they bet in a poker game. It's really not hard, at least in the 2 counties I've been to jail in.
Spent the night in lock up, on acid. To this day I still dont know if they knew what I was on. I just put my head between my knees and counted for what seemed like hours, I dont even remember how high I got.
10/10 would not recommend
This gulity until proven innocent shit is getting out of hand. Also self defense law's need to be re looked at and changed. Had a friend have someone break into his house. Get shot at he then returned fire hit the guy. The guy that broke in and friend were arrested. Friend got charged with attempted murder and guy got off... What in the actual F!!!? My country makes me so sad.
Honestly, I was terrified, but it was a bunch of dudes sitting out in the yard watching three men and a baby, smoking cigarettes, and joking around...It turned out to be awfully similar to basic training without drill sergeants. People pretty much leave new guys alone right away. It takes time for tension to leave your face and to relax and nobody knows how batshit crazy new guys are
I work at a jail, so I don't know the other side of being in the cells, but usually for someone's first couple of days I try to stay in contact with them. I try to be a positive role model for those I talk with, while remaining fair, firm, and consistent. For most individuals, their trip to jail is enough of a wake up call for them to turn their life around and stop doing dumb shit. Others, all they know is jail. Food does suck. Beds look very uncomfortable. If you become an inmate worker, you are searched going to and from your assigned work, and in full restraints, but it gets you out of the pod for a few hours a day.
That weed being illegal is a crime against humanity, the food is compete shit I'd rather not eat, and there is absolutely nothing to do but sleep around here
Thank God. At least here I wonโt accidentally overdose.
Stfslzr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3 days after my 21st birthday I got fucked up during at a red rocks show (because I was dumb and excited) and blackout. Got arrested. First thought was, โIโm too gay for this shit.โ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent some time in the local jail for DUIs. I remember being surprised at how inmates are treated. I mean I wasn't expecting luxury, but I didn't expect it to be so dirty. And the food, the food was something I'll never forget. I've never seen worse food anywhere. It's almost like they made the food part of the punishment.
c_tambo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this isnt so bad...just find the longest books in the cell and eat everything they give you
4twinkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they ever turn out this damn light? They can see me taking a piss all the time?! It smells horrible everywhere. This food looks and tastes like cardboard. Is my bunkee going to murder me in my sleep.. whats she in here for? When the fuck do I get to go home. Helloo telecom man when can I go home?! I wonder how many other people have worn these underwear (fyi your supposed to use the pad they give you in the underwear regardless of if your on your period or not)
That smell coming from the showers/bathrooms is urinary tract infections. Didnt step foot in there for the whole 2 days.
All in total, from arrest to release I was in custody for 18 hours.
Was arrested just after 1am on a Monday. I should have refused to take the breathalyzer, because my official BAL was .089. Not sure what I blew roadside.
Was taken to city lockup for a while, put in a holding cell with a blanket cause I was cooperating. A little later police brought someone else in. 20 minutes go by and they take us out, put us in shackles and transport us to county. It was in that thirty minute ride, it was announced that El Chapo escaped from Mexican prison.
We get to county, the other guy is a repeat offender, and sleepy, so they put him in another holding cell so he can go right to sleep. I had to sit and wait while they fucked with him. They opened up an empty cell so I can put on the orange, then given a mat and a filled cell to sleep in. Couldn't sleep. 30-40 minutes later I get moved to a different cell, occupied by one other. He took up the best floor space do I ended up with my head next to the toilet.
An hour or so later I get woken for breakfast. Ate some of it. Went back to sleep for another hour, when I was awoken again to do my finger printing and head shots. One of the deputies who was questioning me about myself was a real tool. I'm seated on a stool, and the first thing he says to me is, "It's been awhile since we've seen you." I've never been arrested before.
After, I get moved to my pod, set up my bed and since I'm not exactly tired like I should be, I just go down to the tables and watch stupid reality shows; dumb car shows. I tell some people my story. I get the nickname Chips. I was going to the c-store that I work at to buy chips.
It was such a boring day. Just bad reality tv car shows. It was laundry day, so they gave me a 2nd jumpsuit that I changed into quickly so they could wash the original one given to me.
The food was bad. I gave some away. Others had me convinced that I would probably see a judge that day. I did not. After our 30 minutes rec hour, when I wasn't called to see a judge that day, I inquired about making a phone call. It took about two hours before someone came back to me with the ability to do so.
Dinner was probably worst than lunch. I ate what I could and gave the rest away. Our pod watched Scarface on tv. I've never seen it through the end, nor the beginning.
There was one time after lunch, I went to my cell to take a nap. I awoke sometime after, the cell doors were shut. There was no one in the table area watching tv. My cellie wasn't in the room. I had no idea what was going on.
So when a deputy came in with a card, so I can make outside calls, I called my parents immediately. They have gotten rid of their landline and collect calls can't be made to cell phones. I tried calling twice. They had came over to the jail, had to call it to talk with me. I was called to the main receiving area to take the call. I had to convince them to hit up an ATM to bail me out.
20-30 minutes later I was released.
When we got back to our town, we received a call from my sister. She was angry at me and wanted to know what was happening. My aunt had told her what happened. I still don't know how my aunt heard about it. My arrest never showed in the papers or the local online arrest report.
I had the nervous shits and it smelled awful. When an officer finally opened the door hours after I was incarcerated, he wrinkled his nose in disgust and told me it stunk really bad in there. No shit (pun intended). That really pissed me off.
pelpa666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:13:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison in England
i thought ill be cool half my area are in there
ill just walk with swagger and act like i been locked up a hundred times
reality check no matter how good of an actor you are you stand out that its your first time. their is nothing you can do about it.
secondly thought about my kids being without me
(they think i went to the Army)
Got into a fight on first day with a family that had been at odds with my family on the outside
(inherited this beef from my dad over an incident 13 yrs earlier)
got sent to segregation. the screws hated me for this they thought i was trying to make a name for myself
i was the only guy in the prison who hated visits from family
stopped smoking did 10 mins intense fitness every hour
read an amazing amount of books in the 9 months i was there
I was very frightened at the time. I had been a "good boy" all my life and got into a fight with my cousin, ended up spending a few nights in jail for domestic violence and the whole time I was thinking about all the anal-rape-in-jail "jokes" heard over the years.
My first day I made fast friends with a Latin King's member and my black cellmate by swapping racial jokes and playing basketball in the rec yard. Some guy who molested his little sister got beat within an inch of his life in the showers.
9/10 would go to jail again.
dbachir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the system as an Attorney. I do alot of public defense work. I just want to thank you guys for sharing. I wish everyone would read some of this with an open mind and heart.
How I had to get out. How I didn't belong here. How wrong it was. How poor the limited confinement was.
I got a light sentence back in 2010, but I was still scared shitless as I walked in, through my jail cell bars for the first time. Even more frightened when I saw my bunkmate, Harold. Harold is a 30 year old pyromaniac, in on drug trafficking charges. He's got the same claims as me, and has already been labeled as the local looney, so pretty soon that label sticks to me, too. I try to distance myself from Harold, but it's hard when you fall asleep below the guy every night, you know? And as we spent more time together I noticed that he began to be more honest with me, more open. Eventually he told me he wanted to bust out, feel the water on his face and make a fresh kill. That's when I realized that Harold was a horn shark, and shortly after I alerted the attention of the warden. He sold Harold to a shark salesman and made quite a profit, and released me from my sentence early!
Doubtful unless youโre incredibly lame. People donโt normally laugh at the same joke more than a few times because they already know the punchline. Lolmouse explained it better, that this is more of a prank.
Iโm betting youโre not incredibly lame. Iโm betting youโll give an old joke a wholesome chuckle but thatโs not comparable to genuine laughter. We all do that.
Is horn shark a meme? Like I enjoy hell in a cell and lockness monster but its gonna be stupid really fast if we are just making up random things
oniiesu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of a pyromaniac shark sitting at the bottom of the ocean, fruitlessly trying to strike a flint into a pile of seaweed and getting depressed.
Sshigaru ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 13:04:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, is this a serious story or with horn shark you mean an actual shark? I got lost in the last part
jay2josh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit.
drea6681 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh fuck Im dead
JayCDee ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:57:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That account is pure gold.
SchericT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its always an unexpected shark. Always
capix1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. I see alot of 'The Profit with Markus Lemonus' in it.
LaV-Man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How I didn't belong here.
Yep, mostly that.
A close second was a resolution to commit unspeakable acts of violence to ensure I left in the same condition I entered.
I was in the San Diego jail. I was on the first floor in the dorms (20 or thirty bunk beds beds in two rooms divided by a shared common room). I was in there with people who've done everything you can think of. While I was there they put Robert Alton Harris in with us.
The gravity of that situation still freaks me out a little.
I guess I probably should have read your whole post before I commented.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:02:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck.
Lucent_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote about my experience while I was in prison. I wrote it all out long hand and a friend created a web site. I'm not sure if it's allowed but it's http://ryanirishmartin.com/
Almost went to Jail for missing a speeding ticket court date that was set in the previous year about 11 months prior to the court date. New York City court system is a joke.
First day at least is spent in holding, sooo...i spent that day walking in circles teaching myself to say the alphabet backwards as quickly as possible.
That was six years ago. I can still say it backwards faster than you can say it forwards.
24 hours late so...this gon' get buried.
I was bewildered, honestly. It was insane, I met a kid I used to mentor thru the state...but it wasn't bad.
I was mildly afraid, hid the fact that I'm gay as hard as possible, but I didn't put up a facade. I was me, a nerdy white/asian dude who drinks too much, and after a little bit in holding, I was no longer scared.
It reminded me of high school. There were cliques, there were the people who knew what was going on, and there were authority figures that controlled the whole thing. It was easy.
Granted, it was jail, not prison, and it was only 3 days, but still.
It was simple, surprisingly educational, and moderately heartening. 4/10 would do again for 100 bucks.
Man I'm definitely gonna fail that Calculus test tomorrow .. got out of jail 2 hours before the test and actually pulled an 81%
JJ916 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My class and race (see white privilege) had never been so blatantly and unapologetically reinforced by systematic racism (not just a few racist cops). I was treated respectfully, was allowed to wait in the sitting area WITHOUT handcuffs, and I was offered water. The officers made polite conversation with me and skipped a lot of the more invasive searches. I was the only one not restrained out of about 30 people (and I was the only upper class white person). The brown and black new guests were treated like shit and immediately subjected to the dehumanization process in US prison systems. Honestly, I had never been arrested in my life and was scared as fuck; so I hate to admit that I appreciated the special/humane treatment while simultaneously being absolutely disgusted by how the other prisoners were being treated.
Wow, that sounds pretty messed up? Maybe it was partially because your crime wasnโt that bad? If you donโt mind my asking, what did you get arrested for? If you donโt want to say you donโt have to.
JJ916 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all of us were in there for exact same thing. DUI in wine country and near an Indian casino, so you can imagine it's pretty common in that area. That was part of what was so fucked up - we all did the same thing, it wasn't like I was in for Petty theft and they were all.in for murder. We got there the same way and then diverged on how we were treated.
in jail for a day.
sucks balls when you're in the cop car on the way there. you're thinking of to who and how you're gonna notify about this. you're wondering how long before you're out?
when i got to the jail. they fingerprinted me and gave me my one and only call. then they gave me a jumpsuit and sandals to change into. that got me. i almost felt like crying when i changed into the orange suit. tried not showing this though i have no idea what my face actually looked.
then they walked me into the cell. it was a community cell not solitary. they had them segregated per race. they put me with the hispanics. i remember the blacks cheering and howling as they brought me in. they said things like, "hey big dog, come over here! hey guards, bring him here he ain't no mexican. he can chill with us." I am a mexican actually, just a very light complexion and 6'1, 250lbs.
when i got to the cell, i remember going to take a leak and there was no door to the bathroom, just a 3 foot wall on both sides of the toilet.
i didn't talk to anyone. i just took a spot on the top of a bunk bed and waited. i saw some inmates playing with a deck of cards. others just chatting. most were serious and stuck to themselves.
after a long day, my name was called. "you're bail was paid, let's go"
the next morning i pissed blood. doctor says it was probably due to high anxiety/stress from that experience. that was the first and last time for jail for me.
It is an experience. Personally I just had to go to a county jail but it was an old rusty worn down building. Nothing really hit me until the slam of the door. Just the feeling that I didn't have the power to open that door when I wanted to was bad enough. Place sucked - if you weren't on work release you were locked in 20-22 hours a day. The cells were solid concrete, metal beds and a bright ass light that never goes off (even at night). No radio, no tv, no clock. First few days sucked because I wasn't able to get to the jail library and had zero to do. Just lay there on a hard bed for 20 hours staring at the bars, not knowing the time or what was going on.
I can't remember fully what was going on in my head but I do remember saying to myself if this was prison and I was going to be here more than a year I'd hang myself.
First day in jail was: "Holy shit I'm fucking dopesick, somebody please fucking kill me!"
Followed by: "I was supposed to graduate from high school next month, what the hell happened? Oh yeah, I got addicted to pain pill and then heroin. Now, the War on Drugs has turned me into profitable slave labor"
First day in prison: "I can't tell which people are just bored and making jokes because they brought new people in, and who actually wants to fight/rob/have non consensual sex with me. Oh, this guy telling me he's about to take all my stuff as he's walking towards my stuff definitely is serious about taking my stuff."
Later on first day in prison, after being released from segregation when I assured them I would rather go back to the block I just fought the large black man in than stay in the hole on a 90 degree July day: "Holy shit! All my friends that dropped out of high school before I did are here! It's like a reunion!"
Lol I know the last bit sounds made up, but it's not. I was in a block in prison with 7 other people from my graduating class.
I went to Texas Prison for less then a year for manslaughter.
Speeding down a back road, lost control when a truck was more in the middle of the road then his side and I over reacted. Managed to slow down to 69 before I crashed (I was going over 100 before I swerved or anything thank godd my senses kicked in 2 minutes earlier) flipped 6 times my friend died.
It was nerve racking at first, but I learned pretty fast that since I'm white, had no tattoos, I speak clearly and am educated that I was okay.
No one wants to mess with the white kid who's obviously there over a horrible accident and will never be back. Sounds harsh and racist, because it is. Both in county and prison I was told those exact things by many people during my first week.
In prison the pecker heads (white idiots gang) gave me a few things and brown and proud (Mexican gang) let me hang out a lot. Most black people were or claimed to be bloods, they hated everyone equily so I avoid even speaking to them.
My parents sent me college texts books so I would teach people about I.T work or science or play DnD with the sex offenders (no kid diddlers, just exposure charges or some 19 y/o who pissed his 17 y/o gf's parents off ) it was horrible and I secretly hated everyone there as if I was somehow above them. But I got the nickname happy because I was always cool and full of energy and would cook for people in the dorm since I have money on my books all the time.
I yawned every time I walked into a new room bc it was the most neutral expression I could think of. I was afraid if I didn't smile I'd look aggressive or angry, and that if I did, I might look cocky or weak so... I yawned.
Okay which time. The first time it was for driving on suspended and I knew it was no big deal so I was just like ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ. Just so happened I missed the judge so I stayed in for two days, one of which was my birthday. Second time was in another state while my fiancรฉ was in yet another state, and I was panicking because they used bail bondsmen and we donโt have those here. Literally had a panic attack. Was out in maybe an hour. The next time I did 30 days and knew it was coming so I went in packing Xanax and didnโt GAF about anything for about a week and a half. Then the dope wore off and I started sizing people up that started sizing me up and my fiancรฉ just kinda left me hanging with no visits phone calls or money. That sucked. Got out and moved back home and 10 days later hit the big time. Felony trafficking. Huge bond. Scared shitless. Laid in the holding cell thinking, โIโm gonna rot in here, my family is never gonna help me, this girl over here is crazy AF.โ Was out the next day. Couple more overnighters that didnโt amount to much. Then another big time trafficking and organized crime where I stayed for 2 months just waiting for a bond. By that time I had a husband and 2 kids and a wonderful job. I spent the first week depressed as shit. โThere goes my job, my savings account, my relationship with my kids.โ Sure enough, the two former disappeared with a quickness, and my kids didnโt even know me when I got out.
TL:DR
-๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
-Panic attack
-Doped up, DGAF
-Thought Iโd rot in jail
-๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
-๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
-Rotted in jail
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Umm nah. Yes I did several stints in jail, all stemming from drug addiction. That last 2 monther was 2.5 years ago. I just celebrated 3 years clean. My family is still together, my kids are well-adjusted. They were really little when I was gone. Oldest was 3, youngest was 14-16 months. Theyโve gotten over it. I have a new career. I worked really hard doing drug counseling and stuff and got a light sentence and I have no desire to go back to that life. Iโve definitely learned a fucking thing, it just took me a while.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent close to two weeks in jail. I๏ธ only have one hand (woke up one morning without good old lefty) and these assholes decided I๏ธ should have the top bunk. Iโm not a small guy (6โ4โ 275lbs) and apparently not speaking for 6 days scared the people in my pod. One guy approached me and asked if I๏ธ could make sure that if I๏ธ snap and kill someone try to please make sure I๏ธt isnโt him. Surprisingly I๏ธt was an easy 2 weeks.
Even though this post is 20 hours old, and probably no one will read my comment, Iโm gonna add my story bc I think itโs funny-ish.
About 3 years ago, I was on my way to work. I think I was going like 57 in a 45 speed zone. Which isnโt horrible. I get about within 2 miles from my job, when a cop gets behind me and turns on his lights. Iโm like, fuck me! The road to my job, thereโs no where to pull over or pull in bc itโs just peoples houses in both sides of the road. So I didnโt want pull in to someone drive way and have all this go sown. So, I didnโt pull over immediately. I went up the road another mile and a half, I even slowed down a lot. Like to 20 mph. To show him I wasnโt trying to escape. I know this all sounds like a dumbass move right now, but 1.) I didnโt wanna be late and 2.) I didnโt know what to do. Anytime Iโd ever been pulled over before I had somewhere to pull over. Here I didnโt.
So I pull into my job, and the cop gets out with his gun drawn and told me put my hands up and walk to his car. So I did. He was instantly a dick within 5 seconds. I kinda donโt blame him though. He probably thought I was trying to escape. But I was in a 99โ S-10 truck. It topped out at like 70. I wasnโt going anywhere bruh. Lol well, he arrests me and asks why Iโm fleeing. I told him the situation and that I wasnโt fleeing. And he hauls me off to jail. The whole way there heโs lecturing me on how I thought I could escape him.
Once we got to the jail, I was sat in the back on a bench and I explained to everyone who asked what happened. And that I wasnโt trying to flee, I just didnโt know where to pull over. So, my family knows the judge, weโre good with the chief of police, so I was a little cocky. I thought for sure my parents would make a few phone calls and Iโd be out. After an hour of sitting on a bench, the cop came to me and said โdo you know why I brought you here?โ And I said โbc youโre a douchebag cop who gets his dick hard by being an ass to civilians.โ He laughed and said โoh really? Well, I was about to let you go and give you a ticket, but now youโre gonna stay here for the night.โ I was like, no way he can do that. He did. I had to stay in jail for the night. So hereโs where my experience with jail starts -
It was actually chill. I was surprised to see several other guys I had grew up with in their that instantly came to my side and made sure I wasnโt fucked with. I was in a public area, where everyone was shootin the shit, watching tv. Some of the guys explained to me what was going on. Apparently the warden had placed me in the left wing bc the right wing was where the really bad props were and he knew I didnโt deserve to be here. Well, I made contact with my parents and they said Iโd be out in the morning. Some guy offered to let me sleep in his cell with him and 2 other guys. He claimed to know my parents well. So I asked my mom if I can trust this guy. She said yeah. So, I had a cot that i put on the floor under a guys bunk. That was literally right next to a toilet, so all night I got to listen and witness other men shit and piss right by my face. I hardly slept. I was worried I was gonna get raped by these guys. But they were surprisingly all really nice and made sure no one messed with me. The following morning I had breakfast which was ok. It wasnโt horrible. I got out at around 10 am and was so grateful to be out. I mean my experience wasnโt horrible, but I canโt imagine what it would be like to be here for a hefty sentence. Iโd go nuts.
I called my bosses to let them know what happened, they laughed and said โnext time, just pull over for a cop, okay?โ. They still joke about it to this day sometimes. Lol
Lastaria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm a little late, but I very recently experienced this so here goes;
I am an alcoholic, and during the course of 3 months (after a difficult breakup and subsequently moving to a new place where I knew no one, and started drinking to ease the loneliness mostly) I incurred not one; not two; but THREE DUI's. I know, you'd think they'd take away my license.. they did, after the second. So there was a driving without a license on there too. I had drank 2 bottles of wine and was driving to the store to get another. Anyway, I ended up spending 5 days in jail before my dad bailed me out.
I was led to a cell about the size of your average living room, with 8 other women inmates there, they all had their own bunks. There weren't any bunks left for me so I had to sleep on the floor.
I think what I found most fascinating was the women I met; how they adapted to spending months, or even years, trapped in a box with fluorescent lighting and no windows, with an open toilet. They were goddamn McGuyvers. One woman made me a ear plugs out of a pad (not used, obv), and a sleep mask using a sock and comb. They used mashed up soap to hang a sheet over the toilet, so they would have a little privacy at least. To get exercise, they paced in circles, counting each rotation and using ripped up pieces of paper to count (all the girls did this). One woman casually told me she was in for raping her brother, which she was pissed about because she said it was consensual. She freaked me out a bit.
Breakfast at 6am, which was usually some version of last night's dinner .. the food was awful. There was no recreation room, no movie night, nothing but sitting in your cell. One girl said that sometimes they let them all outside in a courtyard that was covered, so they were technically outside but could not really look up at the sky or anything. You could request library books, and each girl had a small collection, which they let me borrow. I'd say I was bored, uncomfortable, hungry (couldn't stomach the food), and my parents were fucking furious. It felt like the worst summer camp vacation ever... And it only felt like that because of the bunk beds and playing cards so much.
Scared me straight though, got me into AA and off of the path I was on, where I was going to kill someone, or myself, or both. All in all I am glad it happened, even though it was the hardest time of my life (so far, only 25 so .. knock on wood).
My offenses were in 2 different states, so my 2 attorneys were able to work some magic where I didn't have to do any more jail time. After 3 DUIs I really should have been in jail for a looong time.
Sober and grateful.
rikkmode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have got to get he fuck out of here ASAP. WTF is wrong with these people, I am nothing like them. Why do these guys keep pulling the trash can outside and puking as a group around it.
Got in the fish tank, saw a couple brutal fights, saw a dude get dope-sick and shit himself while he was having a seizure. Several guys came in stinking like they hadn't showered in a week, they would try talking to me and their breath was worse! I was only 18, I learned how disappointing it feels to call your dad collect and when he answers the line says, "hello, you have a call from, "blank blank", an inmate at Lake County Jail, do you wish to accept the charges?"
Man, it all pretty much sucked. Ended up doing some more time at 2 prisons and then a prison boot camp. Ramen noodles and honey buns are the best currency next to cigs and drugs. Not gonna lie though, there were some fun times, playing basketball, hitting weights, ghetto Monopoly. Plus I learned how to make some cheap fire meals that I still make on the outside to this day. Lol. Nostalgia.
eazolan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A dip. It's a combo of ramen, tuna, hot cheetos, summer sausage, hot cheese, doritos, etc. You can pretty much put whatever you want in. The secret is in the preparation though.
Iโm guessing the other inmate was having opioid withdrawal. We were in separate holding cells but I could sure hear her. It was hydroxyzine, an antihistamine that was used as a sedative a long time ago, and something else harmless which I now canโt remember. I first thought they were giving me my antidepressant or a substitute. Then when I heard the yelling from next door and got quite sleepy, I started to put two and two together. The CO figured out her mistake and checked on me. A lot. I probably could have gotten her in a lot of trouble, but I didnโt really see the point. I was in complete shock from being there in the first place, so I looked at it as a gift to get through that first day.
Side note: I did used to take a benzodiazepine for anxiety. I was allowed to have it in county jail, given by a nurse or CO on regular schedule with the rest of my meds. They did make a huge production out of it and refer to it constantly as a narcotic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With a juvenile misdemeanor it was, "Fucking shit my dad is going to kill me."
Whenever I did something wrong in school, I didn't care if I get a detention or a suspension. I was always terrified of my dad finding out because he would beat the shit out of me as soon as I got home.
Was in a southern jail in the middle of winter and they have no heat and it was freezing inside.
solokova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does the psych ward count? I felt out of place and scared. Most of the other patients had more severe illnesses than me, like schizophrenia or had been in a state of psychosis. Only the violent ones were put in a different unit so most of us were lumped together. I was there because I was suicidal and they also diagnosed me with ptsd from past abuse. I made friends with two people and we watched TV, did puzzles and drooled from the Ativan together.
Not a Prison Thought, as I've never been locked up, but I'm just thinking "How many people here are defaulting to the American prison society when the commenters could have been in say, a scandinavian prison." Vastly different, mostly just boredom and deprivation.
I went to jail for about 7 hours maybe? Got a DWI and the whole experience is absolutely terrible. After changing into the prison clothes, got a blanket and put in a cell. I slept through most of it until woken up for breakfast and to make a call, thankfully I got out right then because the next day they take you to a larger holding area that is overflowing with people (From what I heard).
The dude's in my cell seemed alright. We talked for a bit, about what we were in here for etc, I remember the cell smelling like cat piss and just feeling miserable. There was a little tv that we could see outside the bars and that was on the entire time which is really annoying while trying to sleep. I remember thinking about who is going to take care of my dogs if i stay in too long and seriously it changes how you think of EVERYTHING. You can go to jail so quick and shit can go from bad to worse if youre unlucky.
The worst thing is being on bail and needing to report every month, the amount of constant stress until you go to court is something I wouldnt wish on anyone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was only in the can for 24 hours because of a DUI. I was definitely scared. Never had a cavity search before, that was a little uncomfortable. But when I got to my cell - an octagon-shaped, concrete-walled room with about 8 beds and a toilet and sink opposite the cell door - I fell right to sleep. When I woke up, it was around 6pm - the 24 hours starts in the afternoon - and someone brought us some food. While I ate, I talked with one of my cell mates a little bit. There was another guy that kept to himself, but the one I was talking to seemed okay. He had a lot of tattoos and had been in jail before. When they picked up our trays, we got back to watching cable in silence. There wasn't much else on, so we watched 13 Going On 30. The next 18 hours or so was pretty boring - reading, watching cable, taking a nap, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIโm sure dressed wrong.โ
I went to jail during spring break when fluorescent colors were in. Got picked up for criminal mischief and MIP. I was wearing a white tank top with loud fluorescent design, and flimsy fluorescent red Umbro soccer shorts with flip-flops.
I'd love to give some cool answer to this but honestly all I could think of was how to get my mom to bail me out. (Spoilers: I couldn't) The second time there was a lot of resentment as I had been out on Bond and when I went in to my sentencing date I thought I wasn't going to be going in, but the judge surprised me with a 6 month sentence so all I could think about was how the life I had built up since my last time in was completely over. The third time was just a lot of self hate for landing myself in there again, I knew I was only going to be in for a couple months but I was still just really disappointed in myself for screwing my life up AGAIN.
Fun anecdote though, my first time going in I was on a paddy wagon with some guys who had been there before and this one kid was kind of showing me the ropes on our way from the courthouse. When we pulled in the driveway I remember seeing what I thought was the jail and asking something like "so that's it huh?" To which he replied that the building I was seeing was just the smaller level 2 prison which was a part of the same facility as the county jail. I'm from a small town in Connecticut so our county jail doubles as a level 4 prison which houses lifers in with the unsentenced drug addicts and petty theives, so the building is pretty big. So when we rounded the corner and made our way up the hill this huge ugly gray monster of a prison came into view on the horizon and the kid I was talking to literally said to me "Welcome to the big house." I'll never forget that feeling of awe and terror.
I was nervous at first after moving from intake into a gen pop pod. Intake sucks because they basically dehumanize you looking for drugs and cleaning you. That scene where Emmy rossum goes through intake in shameless is fairly accurate.
After that it was mostly my bunk mate and I just hanging out and shooting the shit. There are some guys who wanna walk around and act tough but usually the older guys keep them in check. I was barely an 18 year old kid and was only there for like a week but it feels like way longer because without clear view of the sun you lose your concept of time a bit. I pretty much just read books the whole time and then we watched crime dramas and football on Sunday if we were good.
I got lucky though. My bunkie was a cool, older dude who was in there indefinitely. He had a long, drawn out murder case because he killed someone while high. You wouldnโt believe it though because he was the nicest guy. He helped me learn the ropes and took me under his wing so I got the things I needed and he gave me a bunch of long talks that I needed to hear as a teen fuck up. Interesting experience for sure.
And that was the last time I went to jail. There were others but only over nights and they arenโt as fun.
Havenโt been back since. Fuck that shit. Xanax is a medication kids, not a toy.
Probably doesn't count, but I went to the tank for a night. All I could think about was that I had to piss but couldn't because there were some very unsavory and sketchy motherfuckers in there I didn't want to turn my back on, much less pull my dick out in front of.
Booking was funny because I was still drunk. They don't like jokers. Obviously, I made jokes on my way out. The part that stuck with me was the guy trying to look out the window, which was impossible, and just wanted a view of the outside. Gave him a fist bump on my way out.
For me it was just the realization of how much I had screwed up, and there was no way out t of it but time. The feeling of being trapped in a place and not being able to leave was one of the realest feelings I had ever experienced.
I read that in a book or saw it in some movie when I was younger and because I was in there for a narcotics-drug charge I was going though some pretty heavy withdrawals and my mind kept playing only painful memories on a loop and that phrase kept cycling back. I was 18 the first time I went in so pretty I was worried about how long I was going to be in jail and hoping I could talk my way out of a felony/prison time. Usually thereโs a 3 strike rule but the cop who arrested me thought heโd be saving my life if he could get me off the streets by charging me for 3 times for the same felony at once. Iโm female so I didnโt necessarily have to worry about the sexual harassment aspect (though I was pretty shocked at the โlesbianโ culture that develops so openly when there are no males around, girls who look like boys are coveted for partners). My main concern was trying not to get on my unitโs bad side by throwing up all over the pod. Female jail/prison is community style living, cells are only for higher security inmates, so I had to worry about keeping my physical illness to myself. Also... food. From day one I thought about good, real food. AZ jails are notorious for only giving inmates the bare minimum when it comes to a meal- literal slop.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was put in a cell with 3 homeless guys who all smelled awful and talked non stop about absolutely nothing... First thought in my head was "is that a bologna sandwich sitting on top of a water fountain that doubles as a toilet...?" Then a dude got up, took a shit, took a sip from the fountain, and went to sleep. I haven't been back since.
Capn_max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a night in the drunk tank for underage drinking, trespassing on private property and, my favorite charge, loitering and prowling at night.
I was in the drunk tank with 12 other dudes. One guy was a dui, the other 11 all got drunk and beat their girlfriends. Really showed me who I was being associated with and that holy fuck a lot of people assault women. This was back in 2012.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hungry
You can't call tap tap (get my spot back) in jail, bro
What do you mean I can't bring my prescribed non narcotic meds and you won't prescribe them because drug users abuse them? Even if they wanted them, I'd have to cheek a pill 10x (fake taking it) so they can sleep for 30 mins.
God, I just shaved off all my pubes! How embarrasing!
This is in a jail that RARELY had drugs before and is now equipped with a full body scanner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should of had a [Serious] tag.
GxPand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When that door closes the first time it's the loniest moment of your life.
I was crazy stressed about possibly losing my girlfriend, kinda worried about the crazy, huge dude in the cell down the end of the block. I was also hungry as fuck and hadn't eaten anything in like 8 hours.
"when you go to prison, the most important thing in yo life is gonna be booty. A man's but, getting some booty is more important than eating food. More important than drinking water. If I see a man I like I tell him like this here. I likes ya, and I wants ya, now we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way. The choice is yaws." - Fleece Johnson AKA the BOOTY WARRIOR
I thought holy shit Iโm a target, murderers, drug dealers, all kinds of people, I was in for impaired driving. I wasnโt involved in a crash or anything just my third strike. They messed up and put me in with the crazies, spent a couple days till they called me to see a lady doing paper work, she noticed I was in the wrong block. Moved me ASAP that was the best part about the experience.
When i was 19, being transported from that dungeon-ass county jail I was in, where I knew most everyone and was related to half of em, to Lexington, Oklahoma A & R was intense. My stomach dropped at the first sight of that MILES AND MILES of razor wire, shiny and glinting in the sunlight, like, "Fuuuuuuck." Shit got serious
First day wasn't as bad as it is in movies. I got in, immediately showed to a cell. No bars just thick glass and door. Looked around and just kinda laughed. Didn't know what else to think but "shit. This is my life for the next several months..."
Thinking about what I've seen in movies didn't help at all. Kept thinking someones gonna mess with me and I'm going to have to fight the first day. But in reality most people just keep to themselves. They already have a hard time they don't want to make it worse.
Was made easier when I found out I was in the same place as a few of the guys from the neighborhood and others I knew from school. So by the end of the day I kinda thought of it as like a summer camp type of deal. Even included the one guy trying to make people laugh and the other guy crying.
druliet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I am never going to get out of here". No but seriously.
I was arrested for possession of marijuana but they threw in a felony as well because I hid my drugs (badly). I was taken to the station & placed in the psych ward. I have really bad anxiety & I think it showed but I don't remember crying, screaming or acting strange. They put me in a cell alone which scared me the most. Even AFTER my dad had posted bail & assured me I would be out in 2 hours, I thought I would be stuck forever. Logic wasn't working for me in the slightest. Other inmates assured me I would be out soon but I didn't believe them. Also lots of the women seemed to like me, not sure why.
This was in my crazy days & I don't have extreme paranoia like that anymore. However, I have an irrational (but not really irrational) fear of prison/cops.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i wish i had food and cigarettes .. also fuck my life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to not be the first to break down so someone doesn't lose their cigarettes
walla_13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnโt risk even going to sick call for an injury because I was so worried about getting sick from someone there. The idea of being held back for six months just to do another six again seemed like hell. Finished BCT with a stress fracture in my hip.
For sure all of what everyone else said wrong first. How to protect myself, how fucked up a system it was, what my family would think, etc.
But one thing I guarantee goes through your head, as it went through mine, is locked up by akon. No joke. Both times lol.
Roc112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So a lot to consider. For example going to prison depends on several factors. Is it state or federal? Is it Maximum security, Max-Med, Medium, Low, summer camp. What state is the prison in? Texas and Georgia still have hard labor. Any who. Before sentencing one can spent a mind breaking time in county jail. About 80% of all county jails are about 95% worst then most "Prison". Simply because you are housed with petty ruthless prisoners that will be out fairly soon. Hence once you are certain what the charges are, most inmates will predict your sentence within a reasonable time frame. So after a while living with a constant intake of society finest fuck ups. Most prisoners will gladly be shipped to said prison. Especially if there are conjugal visit. If you are a known snitch or done any rape to any child of woman yeah the above those not apply but then there is PC AKA Punk City AKA Protective Custody. Prison Shiiiiiiit...... At least then you have a out date. Peace.
First thought, "those lying bastards set me up!" Second, "Oh just wait til I get out this bitch"
But after they lied and had me arrested they came and got me out after a few hours. This happened on Fort Sam Houston.
Now ex boyfriend and his mom lied to the MP's about a fight THEY had so I was put in handcuffs and taken away. I had just turned 18, pregnant, and 1000 miles from everything I knew. It was rough.
"You mean Since my underwear and socks don't match the other prisoners....i don't get to wear Underwear and socks!?!?". I made sure to leave skid marks in my pants...
It was fucking chilly in that place too. Also, food was terrible. Was lucky and only did a day. Still no fun and put things into perspective.
"Don't get raped."
"Don't get raped."
"Dear God please don't get raped."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People in jail also use reddit? Huh?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except in really extreme cases like for intentional murder, serial killers, rapists etc, I've never really believed in locking someone up in a cell and preventing them from really living. It's inhumane.
I am pretty claustrophobic so the first day was just calming myself down and trying to keep my mind busy about things outside of where I was. The next 29 days was just boredom and eating shitty food. Luckily I was only in jail. Did get moved around a few times. Half of the time was spent at some really shitty jails and the other half weren't super over crowded and it made it a bit easier. I mostly kept to myself and never had any issues. That first breath of fresh air while being uncuffed was something I will never forget.
The first night I went to jail for a dui. The drunk tank (cell where they hold all the guys coming down) was so overfilled, there was a guy sleeping right by the toilet and I would have to literally piss right over his head. Than I started thinking things could always be worse.
Not a real hard jail, but just a County/City jail for 24 hours.
Was talking to a few other inmates (one homeless, one taken for parol violation, one was a murderer) and they all seemed pretty level headed people that just fucked up bad.
Overall though, I was just bored as hell and waiting to get out... I don't know how people survive for years in here without any kind of stimulation....
xombae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This is so much better than my life outside of jail and I hope they don't release me"
xombae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested because I stabbed my boyfriend, who was 15 years older than me (I was 22 I think) and was horribly physically and mentally abusive. We were addicted to heroin and living in one of Vancouver's SRO's (single room occupancy), that are at the time considered the worst place to live in all of Canada.
I was released a week or so later, I thought I was finally rid of him but he was there at the court house to pick me up, and even testified saying he wanted me released.
In jail I was away from him. There were amazing women who took care of me and sympathized with me for the first time ever. I had a warm bed and three meals a day. It felt like heaven.
xombae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 26 now, off heroin and far away from him. I have PTSD but I actually really happy and have made some great friends. Luckily the government appointed lawyer who took my case was an actual angel and made sure I didn't have to go back to jail (could have been a hefty sentence) even though I told him I wanted to go back. It's crazy how much a few years can change a person hahah, it feels like a lifetime ago that this all happened, not four years.
There is a whole other part to this story (prequel) but to answer the question....
I got arrested at 3am on a Saturday hammered drunk. I was 19 at the time.
The police brought me to the Remand Center (jail).
It was probably almost 4am by the time we got to my unit, we walk up the stairs to my cell, which I would be sharing with someone.
He tells me to open up the door and go in....
Now for some reason, I figured the door was spring loaded like a typical store front door....... NOPE
Door SLAMS into the wall, buddy was on the bottom bunk and wakes up and looks right at me. All I can think is "Oh fuck".
To make things worst, as I climbed onto my bunk, I saw a small square package on the table that was red with white lettering...
I couldn't read exactly what it said, but first thought was LifeStyle Condoms..... Great.
Now I have just woken up my cell mate in the middle of the night, he has to be pushing 300lbs. I'm pushing 130lbs soaking wet.
So morning arrives, I feel like shit all hung over, I peak over to the table to check out the "condom" - turns out its Folgers Coffee packets.
Now all I wanna do is call someone. I wasn't able to make a fucking phone call till 1:30. pm
So i start walking to make a phone call in the row a payphones. Well as I'm walking there some dude is just taking all the phones off the hook and letting them hang... I asked if I can use it, and he points upstairs and says " you have to ask him"
Buddy was in the fucking shower and apparently owns all the phones.... so he gave me a thumbs up, I called my mommy and she bailed me out.
Called in sick to work on Monday, and enjoyed my freedom. Holy fuck is freedom nice
The first day I went to county, I was in shock because Iโd never been arrested. But through the whole intake process o was just super on guard and anxious. And once I got to my cell I just thought โfuckโ. I paced around and got familiar with the views and tried to sleep but didnโt sleep at all the first night. That was about all I was feeling for the first 24 hours
Cops don't care about shit. Also have been to a psych ward and a psych ward for violent offenders. Both for attempted suicide, and that was somehow worse than my couple nights in jail
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man. There are a lot of drunks in here. I was arrested for public intoxication and was put in the drunk tank.
Jail for a night. College party. First thought was "huh, this is what it's like". Second thought was me debating if I should wake up the lady who was using the only roll of toilet paper as a pillow because I had to pee.
"Everyone in here except me is junkie... Their blood is probably tainted and contagious... If I get in a fight I'll stomp the guys head with my heel... If the guy dies I'll never get out."
Zafriti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ate better my one day in jail than I did as a poor college student. Chicken Stir-Fry with greens beans, carrots, a soft roll, and some sweet tea! Yum! Although sleeping on a pad on the floor because the jail was overcrowded wasn't fun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did your college offer a meal plan?
Zafriti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't afford the meal plan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zafriti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently this one didn't get the memo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I went to jail for a day for beating on my ex.
Let me tell you it was boring in there. Never again
Woke up In detox in a drunken/hungover stupor with a snapped collar bone and all I could think about is what the fuck had happened the night before....because I had no memory at all
This will probably get buried but I can tell you that being a chick and going to jail is a shitty time. I was in the "detox ward" even though I was just in there for a violation of probation (I fucked around and didn't do any of my stuff I was suppose to and I gave my probation officer attitude. I was stupid and 19" But you are kept in your cell for 23hrs a day and let out for an hour. I was shoved into a cell with 2 other women. My first night I got there I had to sleep on the floor. The second night I was able to sleep in the bunk bed. I cried the whole time because I looked young so the other women would shout shit at me. I am no "hard ass" by any means...I was an emo kid that was raised in a rich white suburbia. Things went in prospective for me REAL quick. I realized at that moment it was time to turn things around...and I did. Trust me jail is a HUGE wake up call. I spent 5 days in there but it felt like a century
I had no choice but to leave him with my half snapped sister or call child services(which I knew was a much more terrifying option). I gave my sister my son's father's number and told her to get a hold of him until then and try to get sober.
Turns out my sons dad took a day to get there, at which point my son was being passed from household to household until my mom heard what happened and tracked him down. Then his dad showed up an hour after my mom found him.
(My offenses were committed 5-6 years prior, these weren't decisions being made while I was a mother.)
Don't get locked up in Memphis tn. You get sent to 201. Worst jail I been in. 24 hours to process in, 24 hours to process out. Overcrowded conditions. Standard hard as hell chairs. Half the of the folks are cool while other half are crazy. If u do get locked up don't get sent to the 4th floor. There is a reason propaganda pat said 4th floor bound man.
Psyclipz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After spending the weekend in a police cell and court on Monday, I just wanted to get to my cell have some food, a cigarette, a bit of TV and then get some sleep. In the morning I'll think about how bad I've fucked up.
kapu_koa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm going to die here."
This was when I finally made it from holding to general population. I was in uniform in holding (long, shitty story about how I wasnt supposed to be there), and this dude asked if i had just got back from "eye-rack". I told him i had recently, and he started asking if i killed anyone. I said that's not something you ask people and he starts yelling "you did! You killed them sand-niggers. Got them niggers good!" There's about thirteen people in holding, All six black guys are suddenly staring icy death at me while i try to slide down the bench and distance myself.
We get to gen pop and all the cells are full, people are laying on their mats on the floor of the common room. I'm looking atound for a place to call my own when Mr. Eye-rack starts shoving people with his feet and loudly yelling "move! Move your ass! This man's a hero! Give him room! He's a killer. Move!" All while pointing my way. Cue all eyes on me. And the first full thought i had. I'm going to die here.
illu2303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AfterPrisonShow detailed his thoughts pretty well in his videos
Even though I didnโt stay, I remember the sound of the door closing and the locking bolts clunk into place and immediately felt claustrophobic.
I was in the Marine Corps and one of my Marines was standing trial for child porn. After the trial was over i had to escort him to prison. When you escort someone to prison you have a โhealth responsibilityโ. Meaning you follow them all through the check in process all the way up to the cell. Then the guard takes the file from you adds the new paperwork and walks you out. I didnโt stay but when we got to the cell one inmate asked what he was there for, the guard responded, โchild porn.โ
The inmate came back quickly with, โoooh Iโm gunna have fun with this one.โ
On the way out the guard informed me that child stuff is the one thing that no one is ok with in there. You could rap, beat and murder one of there moms and it wouldnโt be as bad as child porn.
I was given a pair of flip flops. Except one was a size 5 and the other was a size 14. I laughed because my heel hung over the small one, and the large one was SUPER LARGE.
Then I looked at the feet of the guy next to me and he was wearing 2 left flip flops.
"Do I Have to find the guy wearing the ones i need and try and negotiate a trade?
At first I was freaking out because they weren't giving me my anti seizure medicine and they had me in a room full of hard surfaces and sharp edges. So I decided the best way to protect myself would be to sleep (less likely to seize if I'm asleep) in the middle of the room (farthest from those sharp edges). Then I realized how much I needed sleep and started to really enjoy myself. Thanks to some confusion, I ended up staying nearly a week when it should have been three days, and they got my meds sorted before I actually had a seizure, but I just kept sleeping and left super well rested.
" I really need to poop, but there's 20 people in the day area and I can't go while anybody watches " ( runs upstairs to cell to poop ) " Damnit, my roomy is taking a nap and I'm not shitting next to him ". Rinse and repeat for 5 days.......
Went to jail not prison. Most women were cool. We had fun. Some bitches are crazy. I told myself not to get too friendly because even the cool ones might loose their shit later.
It's amazing how much I procrastinate on the outside but when you're in there all you think about is the millions of things you're supposed to be doing and how fucked you're going to be. Then the anxiety sets in because you can't call anyone right away to tell them to take care of shit for you. Will they even do it?
Then you make a mental list of what's important and practice what your going to say on your first phone call. End up explaining yourself mostly about what happened and never get to give them your list if things to do.
Also fingered a hot chic on my first night. We got freaky. She made me cum.
When the bitches weren't fighting. It was mostly like a slumber party. But much scarier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The sooner I am here the sooner I am out. There was this horrible prison book that floated around the dorm. I cannot recall the name but in it there was a saying. "The fastest way is the longest." This prisoner was trying to escape and the further he got the smaller the hole for him to escape. When he got towards the end he seen that saying. So, for me it was there is no other way than to do time than each day.
Weekender here, for a dui back in 09. The one and only prevailing thought...
BOORRRREEEEEEDDDDDDDD
siteburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any sackett books? I have them all on audible. Slowly getting through them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not a long stint but where I lived at the time there wasn't a women's facility, so they take you to the men's and you stay overnight til the next day transport out to the womens. They left me in the intake where I was gawked at by the men coming in/prisoners tasked with "mopping" (they mopped outside my plexiglass window for at least an hour) I got no toilet paper and was almost in full view of the male prisoners when I had to use the toilet, except for a very short cement barrier. That being said, I much preferred the men's jail because I got my own cell and nobody bothered me. The women's sucks, they force you to socialize and knit hats for babies. I don't even know how to knit. Poor baby that got my hat.
This place smells like soap. I wonder how soon I can get my TV? I wonder what day canteen is? If I stay out of trouble for 3 years I'll go to minimum security.
quadcarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How am I going to escape with all these dementors flying around?
soushin5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I'm bored and I already took a nap.
Dewrdman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Closest thing I've got was a night in the drunk tank. I remember my first thought was "Jesus fuck it stinks in here"
First time was just thinking to myself that I hope I don't puke all over the other fellas in holding. Second time I was in solitary for 24 hours due to gen pop being overbooked and I was just trying not to die of boredom. I had one blanket, a hole in the ground to pee in, and a concrete slab to sleep on.
First offense was for public intox while walking home from a party. Second time I was at a party and two of the seven people there were 20 years old. I still had my receipt for the beer and I was charged with providing alcohol to minors.
I was young, but I was really surprised that there were no guards watching the area where I was locked up. I was like "oh you're just going to drop me in here with these other guys and lock the door?".
Later in prison the lockup areas were more monitored, but they also had more prisoners. So there were about 2 guards for 90 inmates in prison, which was a lot more than zero guards for about a dozen inmates in county.
Edit: also I was wondering when I would get anything, like a toothbrush or blanket. As I recall your didn't get anything at first, you waited for someone to get out to get a mat or whatever. Eventually I got a spoon and cup and blanket, and then some basic toiletries later.
Well when I arrived in the holding there was a guy almost a foot taller than me and he had about 100lbs on me (Iโm 6โ2, 175) and well he was super intimidating. Well turns out he was the nicest guy lmao he taught me how to make toilet paper dice and we just played dice a ton. I was only there for a little over a week but it wasnโt as bad as I expected but wouldnโt like to be stuck in there for years.
Also spent about a month in juvie before this as I was still a kid and it was for petty crimes (stealing mostly) and gotta say juvie was just about the same, just try to keep a schedule and you should be fine. I lucked out with a corner cell by myself so I didnโt have to deal with a roomie lol.
Treblax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
P0p0
WM_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to visit one and I just thought I was happy I knew I would get out of there in 10 minutes.
Not me but my brother.
We grew up in a big gang city in jersey (Camden)
My brother got sucked and did 6 years for drug
He told me his first night he didnโt sleep at all because he had been told his bunkie was known for rape. He said the showers sucked and the food was worse.
He spent about 4 months in county before going to prison.
His first night in prison he saw a guy get killed and have his eyes ripped out. He said he was scared shitless
He ended up making it okay came home and ended up killing a guy
Heโs now serving 15 years
Has 13 more to go
He says all he thinks about now is his daughter
We took her in when he got locked up and her mom is a addict and is MIA
She is 2 and is my life now lol
Parents are working on adopting her
Went to jail for 48 hours for not paying a parking ticket on time (got the dates mixed up. Stupid of me). Luckily/Unluckily I was sick so I was put in iso for my stay. 48 hours felt like a week. It was a great experience in regards that it made me never want to go back. Iโm 19 and in school so doing my time made me never want to go back and I live life a whole lot more carefully now.
I went to jail because I faked my death. I had a stalker that was ruining my life and after one night that he tried to kill me I decided to fake my death to escape the hell I was living in.
This person continued harassing my friends and family and I ultimately returned. Turns out the police doesn't like it when you fake your death and they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to find you.
My uncle was in prison in a foreign country for some bad shit. Thing is he was just about to get out, too. He had a job offer and it was all gonna work out.
Anyway, his first couple nights he got poisoned by some inmate. He stayed up the whole night drinking, pissing, vomiting and everything he could to clean out his system. Now heโs a metalworker, and heโs doing great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail over night, only 10 hours but I was 18 at the time and shitting myself. Not much went through my head that night (4pm until 2am when I was let go with a caution). It was horrible. I tore apart toilet paper and used my meat stew dinner (I'm vegetarian) to make playing cards so I could pass the time with solitair. The officer seemed pretty chuffed when he came to take me out and saw what I had done.
This is obviously no where near as bad as most stories, but as a (nearly) innocent teenager stuck in a cell over night it stuck with me. I could hear the men in the cells all around me, well into the night.
0/10 not even good with rice.
I canโt be the only one who is fantasizing about going to jail because of this thread. Not for a long time though, but Iโd like to see itโs like for a couple days or at least until the omg-new-place (bad) smell wears off.
Got it from a depo. Officer chompy is only slightly better. For those of you interested look up "Flex Your Rights". Pretty good info. Survival of a meaningful constitution depends on you!
Hi, as I know some of you on this feed have been in jail I need some help. My friend has just been sentenced and sent to jail and Iโm writing him a letter however I donโt really know what to include to make him feel better. Can anyone give me some help or tell me what you enjoyed receiving from your friends and family when inside.
Much appreciated
Honestly itโs not bad at all.
You get to hear other peopleโs stories and why they are there.
I was a kid still pretty much just turned 18 and got arrested for something dumb and didnโt belong there.
Most guys there understood and were hella cool with me giving me all the ins and outs of being there and how itโs gonna be.
Found myself trading food and shit for some stuff they saved up themselves.
Everyone in there are typically pretty down to earth depending on the situation. Needed to take a shower the first night there and some dude let me borrow his shampoo lol. Itโs was pretty dope.
Saw one fight and it was only because one dude dared this weird ass guy to throw another inmates bunk off the second floor. My god there was a lot of blood. Seemed like it was all cool afterwards.
Tbh not all that bad. But then again it was a county jail with a bunch a dudes serving minor to moderate times in jail with minor to moderate infractions.
Considering I was charged with an assault 4 at the time (donโt worry it got dropped to a misdemeanor currently serving in the army all is good) im not all too sure what other kinda dudes were in there with me lol.
But if youโre being sent there. Donโt be worried. Just be chill and open to having convos with people.
Yup, going to prison is the most stressful thing you can experience, literally more stressful than going to war, because at least in war you're surrounded by buddies who are in the same boat. Prison can feel like you're alone and everyone around you is your enemy and you can be hurt or raped or killed over anything. Jail is full of minor offenders mostly, unlucky guys on weed charges. Prison is full of actual killers.
Just felt the need to point out to op you wouldn't write write "jail/prison" any more than you'd write "sprained/amputated".
I got thrown in a drunk tank with one very intoxicated guy. 10 seconds in he asked me if I wanted to fight. I did not Want to.
So after whooping his ass and then getting tased (sp?) and then getting tied to a chair for about a 2 hours I was moved to "housing." Big black guy walked up to me and said "Hi, you look a little out of place." He was super nice and knew just about everyone in the cell. I think there were between 20-25 people.
So I start"integrating." I study the room and the people. These guys ALL looked and acted like they JUST got off the streets. I gained some interesting perspective.
These guys were fed 100% processed foods everyday. Margarine in everything. Artificial, enriched, preserved, colored and flavored. All these guys were gaining weight just like all my girls here in San Antonio.
No fruit, all the veggies (carrots or green beans 1x/day) spiked with margarine.
On the outside these guys all smoked cigarettes and most chose meth. Weed is illegal here. It's on probation and job drug test panels.
What these guys needed was real food and less chemicals. The natural stuff was inaccessible to them (they didn't have a clue what proper nutrition looks like).
I work in a prison going on three years, I remember my first day before training we did a tour. And I witnessed so much weird shit. I remember being straight terrified. What am I doing here, why did I pick this job, this doesnโt happen at mc Donaldโs god damn it. Now I enjoy my work. I help a lot of people. When starting I remember thinking โthis is scum of society and I should treat them as suchโ ( I know not what you should think but just honest thoughts) now โthese are truly damaged people who have potential to still do good in the worldโ ex. They donated money to Texas after floods, and raise money for unprivileged childrenโs birthdays. Shit touches ya heart.
I'm going to be honest, I was mad I got caught. I was angry because I knew I had been lazy and didn't follow by the rules that I had established. In June of 2015 my husband and I were raided in our home and arrested for selling heroin. We were each sentenced with 18 mo in prison and 36 mo parole. Prior to that day we had never been arrested and no criminal record. I'm not going to elaborate on how we ended up in that situation (unless requested), but I will say that in my oppinion our country mixes up medical issues with legal ones. I don't feel that we are "bad" people or that we deserve to be concidered criminals. So in all honesty, the first day in jail was thinking about how I should have been more careful. The second realization was that I was going to have to detox in jail. I had no idea what I was in for, but I had heard plenty of horror stories. Unfortunately, my experiance only validated what others had told me. I do plan on writting the whole story down some day because I think most of the population has no clue what goes on in the justice system. Whats worse is most people don't want to know. They figure the legal system put them in jail for a reason, what happens to them after that is there own damn fault. I know that prison/jail isn't supposed to be fun, but after meeting other people who were incarcerated with me I just don't feel as thought the punishments are fitting the "crimes". A huge magority of us were there for non-violent drug offences and were treated and housed with the violent and abusive inmates.
Hkaddict ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:23:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try explaining this to the families of people who have died from overdoses. I don't think you will get much sympathy, I know you sure don't from me. One less drug dealer on the streets is good for everyone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed! What would be better would be to decriminalize all drugs - yes, all - like Portugal. They have had spectacular results.
Your opinions are very short sighted and blatantly ignores the reality of the world, why people buy, use, and abuse drugs. You should try becoming a bit more informed before making such stupid comments
Hkaddict ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:53:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up on a reservation where drug use ran rampant. My father, uncles, aunts, cousins, even my mother and sister have dealt with severe substance abuse issues. I understand very clearly the social, economic, political and even sometimes spiritual issues that drive a person to use drugs. It was this in depth and very personal perspective that enabled me to avoid them myself.
The year that I was born the survival rate of a male from my tribe to the age of 21 was less than 50% the two biggest cause of death were drugs/alcohol and suicide.
There is a clear difference between the person who is addicted and uses for a myriad of reasons and the person that has decided to sell and manufacture. I understand that everything in life is a bell curve and that yes these cases do overlap and for a variety of reasons. While I don't agree with long prison sentences for the person caught with personal amounts there needs to be more done about those that sell and distribute.
You may have no sympathy for me, but I do for you. I'm truly sorry about the struggles your family has gone through. I will still argue that there is very little difference between those that are selling and those that are using. At least with heroin, everyone I knew that had used had also sold at some point. You don't have to believe me, like your opinion mine are based on anecdotal information.
I can say from experience most people that are overdosing from drugs have also sold them to support their habit. That drug dealer on the streets needs help just as much as the person buying it does. A large portion are not selling heroin to get rich like in movies, they do it to keep from getting sick. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm not asking for anything. I just think that drug addiction is a medical problem and should be handled that way.
kuduzu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You lack empathy and your comment is retarded. Most heroin dealers are supporting their own habit. In reality everyone involved with heroin are victims except the taliban supllying the shit, and even they are likely slaves.
Hkaddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have plenty of empathy for people dealing with personal addition issues. I have had multiple family members addicted to heroin including my Father and sister. Where I lose all sympathy is when they start becoming a part of another person's problem instead of dealing with their own.
korblok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
im failing out of school, if i don't get out of here you'll see me hanging via ripped sheets, my future is ruined, if i get out I'm living like Bonnie and Clyde.
I only spent a few hours in county after being arrested at a college party and it was easily the most terrifying experience of my life. I remember how scared I was that I ruined my life and how ashamed my parents would be of me once I told them.
This is the first day of the rest of my life bb!! I was working 12-15 hours a day hard labor and boozing on my free time. I finally got six months to just sit down and think. To be with myself and process some thoughts. I made a list of books and sent them to my friend with my credit card and he had them sent to me at the county jail. I stayed positive. Going to jail and being cheated on weโre some of the best things to happen to me.
Last halloween I got really drunk at CMU, and my friends decided to try to go to a club. Honestly all I really remember is waking up in jail. All I thought was โmy dad is going to KILL meโ
nearedge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great there goes my turn!! Had to wait for a few more turns before I could roll the dice again. At first you think"why do I even play this? I'm a grown up! Monopoly is for kids and parents who are putting on a happy charade infront of their kids while their marriage is tearing apart while living in a dire financial situation". Then you recall that there's a chick you wanna nail playing with you and you need to seem interested in the same activities as her so you can find a common ground and here you are.
I was arrested for a bogus charge and released 20 hours later. All charges got dismissed immediately when I went to court but it was a very frustrating experience. I remember it clearly.
I had no idea when I was getting out. I tried to ask a few officers how the bail system worked and they ignored me.
There was nothing to do besides lay in the cot. The two cell mates I had were much older, probably in their 60's. That was nice. I could hear some of the other cell mates talking to themselves or yelling.
They let us out of our cells for small periods of time but the phone line was ridiculously long. I still managed to call my family and explain the situation after a few hours.
There were no clocks and the lights were artificial, so I had no idea what time of day it was or how long I'd been there. The boredom was mind numbing.
The two things that constantly went through my head were if I'd be able to reach anyone outside and when they'd be able to get me out. Occasionally I'd get angry that I was even there in the first place, and then I'd go back to scared uncertainty.
That these people have a place for you, and if you keep fucking up you can come right back. Did 6 months in federal prison. It wasn't a terrible experience. Got me entirely clean, working out, didn't have trouble while I was there.
But seeing my first roommate and him explaining that he was there for 30 years... That was hard. I was told to not even mention how short of a time I'd be there because it'd cause resentment. I kept my head down, read books, watched TV and went the fuck home.
Been 5 years and I'm happy.
cwilk5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
who's gunna hold my pocket
nimo404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One day I woke up in jail and I literally remembered saying to myself "it finally happened."
Obelion_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So assuming most of you went to jail for things that didn't involve hard-core stuff like murder or rape, how are the people?
I assume there's not a lot of people who attempt to assrape and beat up everyone for no reason like it's depicted in media
Edit: actually a lot of answers here already. I always write comment before I read the thread, bad habit
Well the police busted through the front door, put a gun in my face, had me lay on my stomach, and handcuffed me. I laid there for a good 3 hours while they searched the house and documented their findings. I didnโt yell or cry or really even worry. I simply told them Iโd like to exercise my right to remain silent. They took me to jail, booked me in, had me take a shower and change into an orange jumpsuit. It wasnโt until I was walking down the hallway and the guard started to unlock the door to my cell when I finally said โoh my godโ and the guard told me not to be scared. When she opened the door, the first thing I noticed was how crowded it was. It was a pretty small room and more than half of the women had their matts on the floor. As I looked around I got a bit nervous because I was in a felony cell and all of these women were significantly bigger and older than me. The closest girl to my age was 7 or 8 years older than me. Everyone started asking me questions and giving me advice about my case. For the most part, they wanted to โmotherโ me and look out for me. I learned that these women were not out to hurt anyone for no good reason and were just trying to live in a small room with 13 other women for a long period of time as peacefully as they could.
Went to jail to pick up a friend of a friend once. He had gotten his second DUI (or DWI, whatever the technical term was) and was on a work release program. Basically you can leave for the day for your job then check back in at night. Not sure if they allow you a car or not, but being a repeat DUI the guy I knew got a suspended license and needed a ride to his office for the first day (after that he arranged a cab or driver each day I guess).
So I get there and I guess it's taking a bit longer to get him out, and the place I was waiting was near where people checked in to go to the visitor side of things. So I'm sitting there chatting with one of the officers, small talk asking him about the job, atmosphere etc. still no friend to pick up so I take a seat, mexican guy two seats down just says "hey whats up" then goes back to whatever he was doing. All of a sudden i hear a scuffle as some other guy jumps that mexican guy sitting next to me. they rolled around and I kind of got bumped into but got out of the way as guards came running in. Turned out both of them were visiting family members who were in gangs, I assume the two of them were in said gangs also and one guy jumped the other one,the guy that got jumped got stabbed by the other guys keys or something. They checked me over really fast I guess to make sure I didn't need medical attention, but because of that I had to wait for another 2 hours for my friend to come.
So almost got stabbed just waiting to pick up a friend. Told him I'd drop him off that night, but I'm not going back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After reading this post, I'm incredibly thankful I've never been to jail. Shitting in front of people would not be fun for anyone involved.
Me and a buddy went to get dope and I just got paid, so I stocked up to keep from having to go to dope town all week. I had a steady job and took care of all my responsibilities, I just liked to get high on the weekends and use opiates while I worked to stay chill. Pulling out of the dope house, a cop pulled behind us, and I was driving his truck because he wanted to shoot up coke, which I wasn't cool with, but he was planning on shooting up no matter who was driving.
I ate two grams of crack, broken down in quarter grams, and a gram of heroin when the police flipped their lights on. I chugged it down with a rotten nestle quik milk that was in his truck, so I was super nervous that I was gonna puke it right out. They charged him with the needle and me with the coke, so we both went to jail. My friend was bonded out in 90 minutes and I spent the whole time gagging myself over the toilet with drug addicts sorting through my puke to grab crack rocks. I didn't get the heroin out, but it made the two days I was there much more pleasant. I basically spent the whole time trying to puke in front of 20 people, and thinking I could die at any moment.
In the end, it didn't matter at all that the truck wasn't mine, and I ended up getting convicted and spending the next 3-4 years in and out of jail for small shit and about 13 months total jail time because my P.O. found an empty gel cap in my bedroom and I was charged and convicted for another felony possession of jeroin over the capsule. I ended up getting off of drugs, but the toll all of this shit took on my life has been tremendous.
My campus police at IU Bloomington arrested me for walking to my dorm and claimed the area smelled like weed and therefore I mustโve been the one smoking. They brought over 5 cops and they a searched me only to find a student ID.
Went to jail for the night in the drunk tank for whatever reason cause they believed I was high. My first thoughts were about the other individuals in the drunk tank who were super fucked up. Then after I called my dad to bail me out of jail they moved me into my own room and I remember thinking โif I had to stay in here for longer than the night I will go insaneโ.
The charges were dropped cause they had no evidence and I even passed a drug test that I took on my own accord. I was refunded all my legal fees and bail out charges. Fuck Campus police. Bloodthirsty animals. To this day I canโt get my scholarship back cause IU has their own system for dealing with crime and IU determined I was guilty and took my scholarship away. It didnโt matter the court dropped the charge. IU wonโt. Fuck em. I graduate this semester and will never donate a penny to their fucking Telefund
Nignug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will do anything for stats. At IU theyโre all like 20 year olds too and just wanna get arrests so they can move up the ranks regardless if theyโre making arrests legally or not. They also donโt have body cams despite Bloomington PD adopting body cams a years ago
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this isn't what you were asking, but the first time I visited a client in jail was pretty scary. I didn't know anything about how I would meet my client, how the inmates would treat me, how the guards would fuck with me, etc.
I was thinking about whether my client would try to get me to do him a favor and whether the guards would give me a hard time.
Turns out my client was way more nervous about being in jail than I was about just visiting him, the guards were pretty normal and teased me a little but were pretty relaxed around me since they had nothing to fear from me, but I was surprised about how relieved I felt when I walked out.
Day 1: There's no way in HELL I'm eating this. I should be home by 5 or so, so I'll eat some real food when I'm out.
Day 2: This is the driest sandwich I've ever tasted. It's literally a piece of baloney between two pieces of stale bread. They didn't even pull the red plastic off the meat.
I had to go for a year, and while I was going through the court process I was out on bail so I had lots of time to prepare mentally, socially and financially. Well, as much as I could anyway.
I had a girlfriend at the time, and of course the prospect of me going away for a year created a lot of turmoil. At one point it was decided that we were split, we'd just be FWB until I left and maybe work things out when I got out. But nah, a couple weeks before I had to go, out of the blue she was 100% dead-set on the fact that she wanted to wait for me and we would remain "official". The selfish part of me was happy, but the logical part of me knew the right decision for both of us would've been to just break it off beforehand. Anyway, she convinced me she'd wait and be there for me and blahblahblah.
So to answer the question of the thread, the literal first thing that went through my head was "I wonder how long it'll be before she's riding someone else's dick". Not a matter of "if", but "when". Not very healthy.
Made it about 3-4 months in before she broke it off. But I found out through the grapevine that she was indeed riding another dick within about a week.
I hated the fact that the door had no knob. Even if it was locked it would have felt a bit more comforting knowing I knew where the device to open it was and could hold it.
I spent about 2 days in jail. Not even. Did not eat anything the whole time. That was the only thing on my mind. Didn't care about anything else. Knew I was going to starve if I stayed any longer. The food is intentionally garbage and honestly something needs to be done about it.
Embarrasment ..having to strip naked in front of gaurds and shower as you are first brought in. Then bending over and spreading your cheeks and lifting your seeds.
Tenth day: "I'm starving. I've lost 18 pounds in the past 10 days. I get treated like an animal. It's freezing cold and the only way to get warm is to buy an undershirt and socks through the commissary, and I have no money. This is pure exploitation. This place shouldn't exist. Human beings shouldn't be treated like this. The motherfuckers who run this place are the scum of the Earth. I genuinely hope you jail guards all die tonight on the way back to your families. Genuinely."
I disliked police before. Now, if I saw a cop being beaten to death on the side of the road, I'd chuckle and keep walking. Congratulations, you've made an eternal enemy, justice system.
F*ck off. Just because somone breaks your precious law they shouldnt be treated like this. Rapists and others who hurt other people for theyโre own satisfaction should be treated like this
Binary- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe you should start prison reform if it's so easy.
I was like oh shit it smells like piss and BO in here, thought I could just read books and keep to myself like I had in the intake cell but these dudes have too much time on their hands and most of them had the system figured out so I got fucked with until I threw a fit and tried to smother my celly JJ with a mattress. It was pretty chill after that. This old dude Morgan started calling me Youngblood and I got to call him OG, turned out to be a fun week.
Okay so, Iโd been to a bunch of programs for troubled youths and other things, and eventually I went to a boarding school for a few years. It was horrible. Anyways, I got to jail and I was a little nervous when I first got there and during booking, but as soon as I got to housing i realized something. All I could think was โwow this is like (insert my school name here) but for adults. This is nothingโ and the rest of the time I was there, I wasnโt happy, but it wasnโt stressful or scary or anything.
Kano850 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was in juvy. I didn't belong there. I'm not a bad person. Just one with anger issues and lack of self control.
Deskbot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hate to break it to you but yeah you're a bad egg. Get that shit under control dude. Don't make excuses by breaking your problems down into smaller ones, you're still the sum of your parts.
I know. I've been trying to control my anger, and it's working. I don't plan on going back ever. I've been seeing a counselor once a week and she really helps.
Deskbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good work dude, glad to hear your turning the corner. Keep your cool, stay out of jail.
Been to juvie as a kid so didnโt think it would be a huge shock. While waiting for my cell to be assigned I watch a crazy ass Mexican dude start spraying some cleaner on another guy and get into a crazy ass fight.
Second time I went into a room with a bunch of bunks. Waaaay different experience. That first night the white dudes and Mexicans fought. It was one on one in the shower room. They got the biggest of the two and the mexican dudes picked a monster. Needless to say white dude got rocked and they moved him across the hall. Second time was much worse. Toilets all out in the open. Got to see my buddies when waiting to get called into court.
Was not in longer than three days. Saw someone beat literally to death. Been a semi pro fighter for 2 years, trained every day since the day I got out back in 2010. My Charge was dismissed btw, resisting arrest.
Iโve read that D&D is really big in prison (assuming it is allowed) that would be the best possible way to pass time inmo.
houyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its fairly popular not as popular as chess, Scrabble or dominos though (especially dominos). I would say about 10% of inmates play D&D. But they aren't allowed to keep or use the dice so they use a homemade spinner instead.
First time I went to prison I was still a juvenile. I was a bad kid... Hard as nails at 17. I had already been in therapy, probation, house arrest, you name it. Finally got my first ticket to ride after shooting up a house party. Ended up getting 15 months. I'm a big ass dude and have been since I was 14 so I wasnt really worried about the stuff one would think you'd be worried about and since my life up to that point had been training me for this I was pretty ambivalent about being in the county pens... After about 18hrs of being in Bull-Pen Therapy the CO's put the inmates who were being moved property boxes at the end of the hall with the respective facility name we were to be moved to on them...
Immediatley OG's started yelling my last name asking were I was. I went up to the bars and said that was me...
Without missing a beat all these older dudes were like "Oooooh shit!!! You goin to gladiator school dog!" " You goin to the Thunderdome!!" At that moment my heart sank. I was hoping I would get put in an adult facility since I was almost 18 but..... Alas. I was to go to our states infamous 23hr a day lock up juvenile correction facility. Stories were told about kids smearing shit on razors and slicing you up n shit... Okay I thought to myself. Its time to get some serious jailin on..
In the end, I got put in a cell with my homie from the streets which was dope, but my 15 months got extended from multiple fights.. I did witness a few stabbings but all in all I had a good time... In fact Ive spent a significant amouny of my life in maximum security prisons and to be brutally honest, sometimes I miss it.
At that time the food was still passible as food... Breakfasts were either pancakes, waffles, oatmeal or grits with pound cake... Sometime we had slop for lunch or dinner, but we also had chicken patties, nuggets, salisbury steak mashed potatoes and all that... Again this was ages ago, Im 36 right now and over the years the food has gotten utterly disgusting. Last bid I did was in 2016 and the food was the bland slop all the time, no more special food days to look forward to...
Absolutely horrible, best you could hope for is someone to come back from court with a couple bologna sandwiches, or have a friend who works in the kitchen.
I was just telling everybody that my lawyer will take me out within 2 days and I still can make it to the local golf championships and win them, which I prepared 4 months for. 10 months later I was out and never ever touched a golf club again.
Was in jail in southern California for 8 months. I had 3 charges one of which help life in prison. I didn't commit any crimes. It's a little different because I was in PC (protective custody) aka yellow banders. When your charges are gnarly enough they send you to a suicide prevention room. I was there for a week in nothing but a green vest made of burlap. No blanket, no pillows, sleeping on a metal bed in a concrete box. I remember thinking "this is it, the end." I'm a person who is scared of the evils of the judicial system. They want more convictions and they'll do anything to send someone away. I got away with 3 years probation time served after I took a deal for pc 245 (a) (4) which is an assault charge. Jail is ment to break you down and give in to them. I didnt.
Are you seriously expecting everyone to believe your story? Did you put that there as a test? A troll, even?
Even in a developing country, nobody would give a visibly-drunk person sleeping tablets or any other medication. Especially not policemen or jailers.
jjw1178 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went in with a 1yr to 15yr sentence. Michigan sentencing guidelines are cruel and unconstitutional. Ended up doing 3 and another 3 on parole. Going into a Shawshank situation is pretty intimidating.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This isn't Pizza Hut... Why did I let a woman read Google Maps?"
generik89 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I would never actively seek out prison it would literally take every stress out of my life. Oh bills? โNa...The need for pussy! โNa....Career? โNa...just gonna get yoked in the yard and take some D. Fuck it
Your thinking is out of societal norm so I doubt Iโll have any chance of getting through to you so Iโll explain it a different way.
Letโs say you have a pet, a dog. You run out of food so someone says, weโll just abandon it or kill it. Itโs the logical solution and solves your problem. Problem is you donโt want to kill your dog because you love it. Now a mother is genetically, evolutionarily and emotionally driven to not kill her baby 1000x more than you are to not kill your dog. So yes, while an abortion may seem like the most practical solution, it is not a feasible or realistic option. If you will put practicality and logic over emotion and love and willingly either kill an unborn baby or your dog, then that is the textbook definition of a psychopath.
SoNElgen ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:57:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think that at some point in my life, I'm going to go to jail. Not because I necessarily did some fucked up shit, but I drive like a maniac at times (never drunk though). The chances of me not ending up in jail for at least 2 months for speeding, are slim. So, I prepare myself mentally by beating myself up as much as I can, raping myself with a toiletbrush and sleeping on a concrete floor at all times.
WOw, what a good question. The first thing I did was tie my soap to my balls. Then I called my mom and forced her to put money on my books. She gave me 1000 to last me 2 weeks so I immediately went and bought 2 bags of dope with it. That night my big black celly told me that I had to let him have sex with my butt so I sucked his dick for the sake of my asshole. It was crazy. Then my mom bailed me out a few days later, I was syyked.
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brandy_works ยท 7860 points ยท Posted at 15:38:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They gave me someone elseโs withdrawal meds by mistake. Spent the first day in a blessed stupor.
666ygolonhcet ยท 1867 points ยท Posted at 17:03:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What drug did they give you and how pissed was they guy in withdrawal?
felixthegirl ยท 1400 points ยท Posted at 17:28:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Usually for alcohol withdrawal you get benzos so...
Strick63 ยท 1290 points ยท Posted at 18:30:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun story regarding this. So my freshman year of college I got pretty depressed and was feeling a little suicidal so I talked to the campus councilors service which in turn lead me to being involuntary committed to a facility. I joined a fraternity my freshman year meaning I drank and being under 21 pretty much meant that getting drunk once a week meant you were an alcoholic. That caused me to basically be strung out on benzos for a week while filling out coloring books and pretending I could participate in group stuff. It was interesting to say the least.
soopahfingerzz ยท 693 points ยท Posted at 19:34:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the worst thing about mental illness. Just because you felt a certain way and had those thoughts does not mean you have to be comitted to a mental facility. Everyone thinks things they dont mean. Sucks that happened to you.
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 20:40:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I try to make that SUPER clear whenever I get a new therapist:
Yes, I've had suicidal thoughts. More along the lines of "I wouldn't mind being here right now, I could live without this shit." No, I am not going to kill myself, sometimes I just don't think it's worth the work just to keep myself alive. We're cool, don't lock me up.
nathalierachael ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 00:51:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least in my state, we call that โpassive death wish.โ We may go over a safety plan with you, but as long as you say you donโt have any intent or plan (and you are an adult.. itโs a little stricter with kids), I would never try to hospitalize you. Itโs good if clients can be honest with their therapists without being afraid of being committed!
MimiIsBirb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:53:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference if they're a minor?
nathalierachael ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:41:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The line is just a little blurrier as to when we need to break confidentiality and tell their parents. Basically if we are concerned they are in any danger.
TheThrowawayMoth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for giving it a name I can google.
prollymarlee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:01:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the issue is that things can go from a passive death wish to an active one in a short amount of time.
Grenyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:58:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An active death wish is still a little different from being actually suicidal.
I've many times had my passive death wish become an active one but rarely have I actually wanted to harm myself.
Of course, those thoughts are never far away if you do have a passive death wish already.
prollymarlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i perceive an active death wish as something planned and ready, something you're looking to do, which is being suicidal. maybe i can't differentiate the two because i have tried to harm myself and have consistently done so for years.
Aggressivecleaning ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:30:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you are saying. Here's the thing though: losing a patient to suicide is every therapists worst nightmare. Some of us get that fear installed so thoroughly in school/clinical practice that we tend to err on the side of caution. You can apologize to a person you've wrongly involuntarily committed. You can't apologize to a grave.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Aggressivecleaning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is one of the worst things that can happen to a person. Losing their autonomy like that. It should not be used lightly, and luckily I have yet to see it abused.
Grenyn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:55:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a passive death wish. Just the thought that you wouldn't mind dying in the near future.
I'd say my passive death wish has at times been an active one. It's not a happy thing.
Quick edit: immediately after posting this comment I saw someone had beaten me by about 8 hours. Shame on me.
partyc4t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going to have to be vague about this story but I have a family friend who's dealing with something similar. He's on sick leave at work (for mental health problems), and during one of his checkups with the doctor he mentioned about suicidal thoughts, and now he has to spend 50+ days at a mental institution, and if he doesn't, they are taking away his sick leave pay
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:06 on March 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry :(
silentanthrx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I woud describe it as "a fundementally unintrerested in this life"... and not so much suicidal.
when you are immagining your funeral, looking up the most practical ways, and every time you come across one of the following items: knife, bridge, train, stair, chainsaw... you think "should I?"
... that's suicidal.
Socio_Pathic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:32 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I hate is when they ask if you have a plan.
FFS of course I have a plan, I try to plan for everything, is having a couple hundred dollars set aside to put a cash deposit down on a big nitrogen tank such a big deal?
1llusory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:31 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You may know this and it may not make it any less annoying but people in mental health professions have to ask this question.
C_IsForCookie ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:10:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally why I won't talk to anyone about the shit going through my mind. I sat in my car and cried for 20 minutes the other day but it beats being baker acted or treated like I'm crazy because I have some emotional issues.
Wet_Valley ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:47:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is whats wrong with our current take on mental health as a nation. If people could be more confident to just talk, we would have much fewer problems stemming from "crazies".
Not saying you are crazy, or even a little wrong. We all have times we need to talk about, and none of us realize how crazy the next guy really is, so we arent that bad. I hope one day you can find a trusted outlet. In the meantime, don't go crazy, we love ya!
C_IsForCookie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:09:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Appreciated.
Copterwaffle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:06:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should give therapy a try. You will see that it is not what you think it is. And if you do require inpatient treatment, thatโs okay too. If your chest hurt so bad that you cried over it in your car for 20 minutes, you might not want to go the doctor, because you might not want the doctor to send you to the ER...but if the doctor had to send you to the ER because your heart was about to burst, youโd be glad afterwards that you got it checked out and treated. Your emotional pain is like a pain in your body. It might be nothing or it might be something, but you wonโt know til you get it checked out. The worst case scenario isnโt that you get hospitalized; itโs that you werenโt hospitalized when you really needed it. And the most likely scenario is that you can be treated without hospitalization. But you risk something worse if you donโt get checked out at all.
C_IsForCookie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:12:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been to a dozen therapists but it was probably 15+ years ago. It didn't really help once I left the office. I pretty much learned to manage it in my own but when times are especially stressful it's very difficult to deal with without an outlet. I pretty much know though, if I wait long enough, it will subside and I'll exhaust myself. It's almost euphoric when I have the come down because you wear yourself out so much that if you can get through it all you feel is the exact opposite for a second which is almost a feeling of euphoria. It's weird.
Copterwaffle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:32:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to feel that way til I found a therapist I really liked who connected with me. My age and gender, and I would recommend looking for a licensed mental health counselor, rather than a traditional psychologist or psychiatrist. I learned that I can not only shorten the durations of crisis but also prevent them from occurring as often with someone who can offer good insight. I also finally received a diagnosis Id never had before that really changed things around for me.
kaylaqueener ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:53:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this to the max! I always said i didnt need it, i truly didnt realize how messed up i was until i started actually listening to the doctors and being hospitalized. Life can get really low, and i learned a lot of techniques that keep me from going to that VERY low point.
Aggressivecleaning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:34:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please try. The Baker act is an emergency option. Many, many things come first. I have never met a therapist who looked down at a patient for their mental health. Quite the opposite. It's often incredibly impressive to watch someone take control of their life when everything is against them. Those patients are super strong.
Darkeso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reported
C_IsForCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:24 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
K. I'll be expecting mods at my door post haste
Strick63 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 19:41:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nothing bad happened to me but another person Iโd be worried for- roommate at the place was sent there in the middle of his 20 year sentence, lots of people left in cop cars to go to jail, lots of clearly ill people which is sad but their behavior could be quite threatening/ frightening. I turned out fine but if I wasnโt a 6โ2 male with really not many issues besides being kinda depressed it couldโve been a different story
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 20:15:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Strick63 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:19:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm a tall well built guy and situations where youโre physically at risk Iโm not really that worried because most people donโt go after the person bigger than them so I never felt too at risk. Take away my size or make me a woman (due to the fact that for certain people that would make me more of a target) that wouldnโt be the case
Deviator247 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:21:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he was of a smaller or weaker stature, he could likely be more hurt if confronted or attacked, or if he were a woman, it could, unfortunately possibly make him more likely to be attacked when surrounded by mentally ill people while also doped up on benzos. It really sucks but he has a point.
SMW22792 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:33:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The second my previous therapist got police involved because I had a dream about killing my Father was the second I began filtering everything that came out of my mouth.
It took me almost a decade before I gave the slightest bit of trust to one again. Luckily, I found one that works for me very well. However, I still am careful about how I say things.
I'm in a much better position emotionally than I ever was in the past.
Grenyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:02:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did they not communicate that they have a duty to report you if you have such thoughts?
They keep everything to themselves unless the patient expresses a desire to harm others.
It sucks that you felt betrayed, but your therapist had to inform the police it sounds like from your comment.
_Lady_Deadpool_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:17:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being involuntarily sent to a psych ward is honestly one of my biggest fears regarding my depression and suicidal tendencies. I feel like I'm always looking out for what feels like jail just because I feel like garbage.
MoarPotatoTacos ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:40:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was feeling very suicidal but not wanting to act on it, I had to be super careful what I said to my psychs so that I wouldn't to get sent to the bin. I knew I was sick and needed my meds adjusted, but I knew that going to the bin would make me worse. Being around people who are sicker than me does horrible things to my health. I don't need to see people's self harm scars or hear them talk about it. I need to forget it exists so I don't see it as an option.
I knew that staying home and having my meds adjusted would be much better than sitting around a facility full of sick people, being bored out of my skull, and super miserable.j
ICumAndPee ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:37:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and the fear of being committed again will prevent people from speaking up when they really need help
Brettyoke49 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:29:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but if this story was "My friend talked to them saying he was suicidal, they gave him advice and scheduled an appointment for 3 days later, but he killed himself before then" the entirety of Reddit would flip shit about how mental illness isn't taken seriously. Can't have it both ways.
kaileemonster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:54:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a legal advice thread about this right now
venatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
PM_ASS_PICS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've started taking my depressive thoughts as shit that just happens
It sucks a lot, but it happens and I can't let it slow me down
Copterwaffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This person likely indicated to the counselor that he had an active plan to harm himself. Counselors are trained to assess whether someone is in enough danger to require a hospitalization or not. Ideation alone is not enough for hospitalization.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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SymphonicResonance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:48:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about a 5150 in California? I thought any police officer could initiate one.
FourSlotTo4st3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That mentality is the reason we have so many school shooters.
W0oby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look at it from the other side. If he expressed those thoughts to the councilor and they decide to do nothing about it. Then op kills himself, you'll bet your ads op' s family will be suing the school for failing to help him. Maybe the councilor felt that op' s situation was serious enough to need an evaluation. Maybe he just needed someone to talk to but are you willing to risk his life when he is telling you he wants to take it? Would you want that hanging over your head the rest of your life?
soopahfingerzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont you think they could have talked it through with him first though?
The_Mad_Hand ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 20:03:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was kidnapped force-fed drugs and imprisoned against my will for talking about my feelings.
Strick63 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:08:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this makes it sound like I was part of MKUltra
The_Mad_Hand ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:20:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dude, its really not a joke. People fail to realize how easily you can lose all your rights. Those doctors could technically have kept you there indefinably if they choose to.
If anyone ends up in this situation, contact information on the phone and contact a local legal aid organization, they can get you out in a few hours if they threaten to require the doctor to appear at a public hearing over the imprisonment.
koalajoey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are so right. Iโm not OP but itโs scary how easy doctors / facilities have gotten me to give up my own rights. Like to participate in ECT. I wish now that I hadnโt basically been manipulated into it but at the time I just didnโt have the energy to fight for myself.
Speaking of hearings, one room at a hospital in my area has a whole courtroom set up via webcam to do involuntary commitment hearings like that. Itโs kinda unsettling to me that it is happening so frequently they need a whole room and legal staff dedicated to it. I know some people are a lot sicker than others, but some of the other stuff they do is dumb. I could go on and on about my experiences with all of this but Iโll spare us all. Just that I agree you are right, it is nothing to be flippant about.
Hamos_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you truly feel like hurting others or killing yourself, then that was probably a good thing. Who knows if youโre actually going to do it?
RomeRawr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:32:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People donโt give therapists enough credit. Theyโve gone through at least six years of higher education, and years more of supervised practice in order to get licensed, and they know what theyโre doing. No, we donโt do psych holds because of suicidal thoughts. Iโm pressed to believe that itโs so common for people to be put into psych holds for only expressing ideation, which is a normal thing. You bet your ass weโre legally obligated to report if youโre an imminent danger to yourself or others, though. If someone expresses intent to kill themself, Iโm obligated to report. If someone expresses intent to kill another person, Iโm obligated to report. This isnโt something therapists WANT to do; they work for the client. Itโs something we HAVE to do.
nathalierachael ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I said this above, but yes, most of us would not try to hospitalize someone with passive death wish without plan or intent. However, I can understand how people who have had a bad experience would be hesitant to speak up.
Nubkatvoja ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:40:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to report to the cops about an old incident and ended up being involuntary committed. There was some crime involved and I had evidence that would release the man who was falsely accused but all they heard was I was suicidal.
I didnโt want to take the antidepressants but after refusing they made me sign a paper saying if I refused to take any medication they had the right to keep me at the facility. I ended up just dealing with the terrible side effects from SSRIโs.
Ever since then I stopped going to therapy and havenโt followed up with the assigned psychiatrist. I loved my therapist and literally went just to talk about my day sometimes but now Iโm afraid to even go back.
With that being said the staff at that hospital all agreed I didnโt need to be there and released me. This was the cops fault, I read the police report and he lied on it. What for I donโt know.
This is just my experience but yea, now Iโm afraid to admit when Iโm feeling depressed.
nathalierachael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sorry this happened to you :(. I hope some day you feel comfortable enough to return to therapy, since it can be really helpful!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:43:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the part that's bullshit. If somebody wants to kill themselves, as a society we should let them, not lock them up. It just seems like the idea is "we don't care if you're miserable forever, you HAVE to keep living"
RomeRawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not saying I 100% ideologically agree with the policy, Iโm saying itโs the law. Personally, I do think people should [generally] have agency over whether they live or donโt. However, I also recognize that mental illness can interfere with that agency.
The_Mad_Hand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:39:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do, that's why it should be your decision. This is just a circumvention of the rule of law.
Hamos_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not always though. Sometimes you canโt really know if youโll actually do it. Maybe you think wonโt now, but what if tomorrow you convince yourself that itโs the best way to go? People donโt go from 0 to suicide so quickly. Itโs a process.
The_Mad_Hand ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:56:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh well, better then risking losing my autonomy.
Fiblin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:55:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In what regard? Socially or in just that facility. Since I'm from Denmark drinking laws are a bit different. When I was 16 I got drunk more than once a week all summer, so this sounds a bit weird to me since I have never thought of myself as anything close to an alcoholic.
Strick63 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:56:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The US is really stupid when it comes to alcohol especially if you canโt legally drink it. I completely agree but that was the behavior that deemed it necessary I get Benzos
Bozzz1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I drank at least twice a week for my whole freshman year of college and then went the whole summer sober. I never felt the need to drink or had any kind of withdrawal. Drinking once a week doesn't make you an alcoholic lol.
Siegwyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Experienced almost the same thing a few years ago. All in all, a week away from everything was pretty cathartic.
StiffWood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. Do they get commission for involuntarily committing people?
Strick63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs more if I had said anything like that to them then actually offed myself the University would be super liable
IT6uru ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully you didn't have any lasting reprocussions from the benzos. Benzos are a bitch.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:42:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After a week? Super doubtful. The only long lasting repercussion would probably be wanting more benzos.
milan187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friend who was on benzos 10 days took 5 years to feel normal again. I was on them 2 months and still not 100% after 6 years. Getting better slowly. They can be really really bad to come off, maybe even the worst drug to come off of. Many people suffer protracted withdrawal with them that seems to never end.
pknk6116 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:50:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A week of benzos is really not a big deal. Less addictive than alcohol, effects are mild (unless it's your first time on em) and main dangers are long term increased risk of dementia and stuff like that. They're not heroin.
Sorry you hit on pet peeve of mine. I've been on benzos for years and they've been a life saver.
IT6uru ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:52:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, but withdrawal is terrible from them. Half the time I don't know if it's that or anxiety symptoms. Been on them for a couple years myself.
pknk6116 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yeah withdrawal does fucking suck. It's all about that taper tho....
IT6uru ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, at least clonazapam are slow acting you don't get high, you just get physically dependent. Didn't realize till I went off of them for a bit -delayed withdrawal. Felt like my brain was 10 feet behind me, needed to get back on them. Doctor unfortunately doesn't want to figure out what is actually going on. :/
pknk6116 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh word that delay sucks like... ok I know this is coming soon. Then before you even know it you're in the withdrawal. Tapering and talking to my doc about what I can take to ease symptoms helped a lot. Neurontin and Lyrica are my jam now when I need to take a tolerance break. Even then it's still tough. I always wondered if getting on another benzo like valium and then tapering would help.
I should clarify I'm not a doctor but there's definitely stuff you can do. If not push your doc on it, "deal with it" isn't an appropriate response.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nathalierachael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Effexor withdrawal is terrible. As is Paxilโs. No other commonly prescribed antidepressants have withdrawal effects like that.
666ygolonhcet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great. I am planning on weening off the Effexor this summer. I did it a few years ago but had some Tramadol to ease the transition. Not this time.
I never needed it, but my sleep Dr wouldnโt prescribe the benzos without it.
Fun times ahead.
nathalierachael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If youโre into weed I heard it can help with the nausea?
666ygolonhcet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried weed and it just made me feel like I was in a tunnel. I will give it another go. Iโm retiring at the end of the school year so I wonโt have to be anywhere or do anything while I am quitting. Weed may get a second hit.
nathalierachael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively you can see if your PCP can prescribe you Zofran. I wish you luck!!
poorexcuses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on it right now and I'm not looking forward to getting off it, but on the plus side my anxiety is super much better.
nathalierachael ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:56:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyoneโs body chemistry is different with them though. Some people can use them carefully for years without building much of a tolerance or developing terrible side effects from them. Those who do, though... boy is it bad.
PrometheusZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL the entirety of the UK is alcoholic!
ascccsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Benzos and colouring books, sounds like my Friday night.
robearIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
only once a week? am I an alcoholic? ><
OhMyBosch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp literally my greatest fear.
Time to resume not seeking therapy; itโs worked fine so far.
Strick63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah get help 10/10 living an actual normal life is much better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? That's stupid
BrunoPassMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf? In the uk if youโre not drunk pretty much every night of your uni years they think youโre a freak.
Strick63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A Venn diagram of US laws in regards to substances and common sense would be two circles
raquille- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good thing you didnt grow up in the UK mate
Drinking at 14 is considered a late starter
Xxzzeerrtt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why you never tell them you're suicidal.
spiderlanewales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reasons I absolutely refuse to get ongoing help for my mental illnesses. I have the ability to live a normal life, even with a condition as stigmatized as mine, and if I have the choice of risking my freedom taken away because a psych major with enough family money to go into private practice thinks they'll be saving the world by locking me up...?
I'll just deal with the damn hallucinations.
Strick63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah get help 10/10 living an actual normal life is much better
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking insane. The amount of incompetence ther is criminal.
Arnold_Mal ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting
sillysidebin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:57:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But they usually only go so far as to give these meds to people who they determine are seriously in danger or at risk of having a serious withdrawal.
I've had alcohol and opioid like withdrawals in jail. The opiate w/d you're rightfully so, told you suck it up and lay ion the mess you're likely making... luckily I was mostly just having cold sweats and insomnia, no sitting himself.
First time being jailed though I was having some kind of episode that the police assumed was a PCP high. I think it was more likely alcohol withdrawals. They monitored me and kept me under closer watch while I dried out, but even with delirium they never gave me a benzo. Only would offer antipsychotic drugs. My impression was it had to be a serious situation to get prescribed psychoactive stuff. I remember it was like pulling teeth to get a benadryl or free Tylenol tbh.
hyperlite135 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:36:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said. No way in hell are you getting benzos in jail unless itโs life or death.
koalajoey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the jail. Two of the four jails Iโve been to gave me benzos, and I had no prior prescription. Both of them issued the prescription to me while I was incarcerafed, both times for heroin/benzos withdrawal. Some jails like all their inmates calm and compliant. In fact, even now, if I got arrested and sent to the one jail and had my methadone box with me, theyโd dose me with it until it was gone, and another friend of mine was allowed their suboxone. Depends on the jail, who they contract their nursing services out to, what is available on their formulary, what their budget is, who their medical director is, the security level of the jail, etc.
Edit: the same jail that allows suboxone and methadone also coordinates with a local methadone clinic for pregnant women - if they were dosing there before getting arrested the nursing staff will drive the methadone to the jail each day for the pregnant woman. There are a lot of services for some jails. Itโs just a total toss up. All of these jails are within a less than fifty mile radius also, so they werenโt radically different areas either. Literally just county to county across one state line.
Noble_Ox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:05:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they not give you methadone in prison in America?
sillysidebin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:37 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. I think if youre already on it and end up going they would probably allow you to keep it up or at least a taper process.
You don't get suffer free withdrawals if you get picked up on the streets or whatever with drugs and brought in though. Definitely not getting maintenance meds on the jails dime if you're not going to die from stopping, which in the case of opiates, is the case.
Sinavestia ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:46:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't have a hangover if you're asleep!
Zanpie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:16:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which I find hilarious - in a morbid way.
I was over prescribed benzos by my previous psychiatrist four years ago. really over perscribed. As in about 6mg of clonazepam a day.
Due to unforseen circumstances, I was removed cold turkey and turned to booze to control the wicked intense side effects.
Became alcoholic ๐ Withdrew from alcohol with benzos again, and am currently on a very slow and safe ween.
Proud to say I'm at 1.5mg a day now.
Just insane to treat one with the other. They'll both kill yah if you withdraw too quickly!
Frying-pan-->fire kinda gig.
abxuwnnm111 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, really? There are only two drugs whose withdrawal symptoms alone can kill you: alcohol and benzos. Thatโs why I thought they had to give alcoholics in withdrawal small, daily amounts of alcohol.
But either way, thatโs so strange:
โYouโre suffering from alcohol withdrawal? Letโs give you the only other one that can kill you!โ
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:47:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, but mixing benzos and alcohol is a terrible idea
It makes you blackout almost instantly
edit: source - Have done both at the same time, I've seen nothing, because I was blacked out
felixthegirl ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:48:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually for withdrawal, the alcohol is already out of the system. They hit the same receptor. When you withdraw from alcohol you can be at high risk for seizures, particularly if you are a chronic drinker. We can taper you off with benzos safely so you don't seize.
edit: source - am a medical student, I've seen many an alcoholic coming down
bestjakeisbest ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:10:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so wait what is the treatment for benzos addiction, is it alcohol?
manning_upp ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:38:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you usually just switch to a benzo with a longer half life like diazepam and slowly taper the dose bi-weekly.
Benzo withdrawal is hell.
Zanpie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:24:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish it was discussed more. We hear a lot about opioid withdrawal, but not benzos.
Benzo withdrawal seems to never stop. I think I will have protracted withdrawal syndrome for the rest of my life.
4 years post initial withdrawal i cannot distinguish if my mental ailments are due to withdrawal OR actual depression and generalized anxiety.
I just know that the last 4 years have been hell.
Edit: I just remembered to remember the extensive memory loss that accompanies it.
rubermnkey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:59:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
when I was 19 i experienced opioid withdraw for the first time. About a month of daily IV heroin use, then decided to stop. Felt like shit and couldn't eat, until my boy rob, rolled a fat blunt and I ate a gas station egg salad sandwich. I felt fine after that an vowed to never do something enough to be addicted.
Sorry about the benzos my man, sounds way worse than what I went through. Sounds about as bad as some of the 25nbome people and their persistent visuals
Ehalon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So glad to see I'm not the only one.
I've done opiate withdrawal a few times and in comparison it was the flu to benzo withdrawal's protracted disemboweling (just my opinion, I take nothing away from opiate addicts. Neither is 'worse' objectively, subjectively I would take heroin withdrawal every time because the physical symptoms end so much quicker. We are talking weeks verses years.).
Benzo withdrawal was a protracted nightmare - I tapered from 160mg of diazepam to currently 4mg daily. I know I'll get called on those numbers, I was drinking at the time as well - see below.
As /u/manning_upp has rightly stated - long half life so when I started my taper I switched from a lot of Lorazepam to frightening amounts of Diazepam. The equivalence is about 1:10 conservatively, my memory tells me 1:30 (1mg Lorazepam = 10mg / 30mg diazepam).
The half life on Lorazepam from memory is only 6 hours so, diazepam is 24 hours so inter-dose withdrawal is very real for the short acting benzos like lorazepam.
I can't leave this comment without my usual nod to the absurdly wonderful Prof. Heather Ashton and her work + free manual (in the link).
For anyone taking benzos long term who want to truly 'live' again, please give it a read and then find a Doctor who has an ounce of sense. Get on a taper schedule.
Yes, you will feel it especially at the low numbers and it will be exactly like the anxiety and / or insomnia you originally were prescribed your benzo for, but worse and worse again because you are your own jailor. It's hell for 4-6 weeks as you taper a step, and just as you start to feel better it's 'taper time' again.
Don't be afraid to take 'taper holidays' - you are NOT failing, but doing this will suck your mental energy dry. Be absolutely sure your Doctor knows all about benzos, and Ashton's work, and is 100% onboard with you managing it and making a call to 'taper holiday' for the right reasons: Overall outcome success not Giving Up Giving Up.
I also cannot recommend Cognitive and Behavioral Therapy enough, I'm already evangelical regarding it. It's not lying down on a couch and doing 'The Freudian Thing' - re-traumatising yourself weekly, it is building a toolkit to identify and combat your negative learned behaviors. It sets you up to 'win', but remember the CBT person is a guide, YOU do 99% of the work.
Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing - EMDR is apparently excellent for trauma or abuse related anxiety. I cannot speak personally, only second hand.
Meditation, especially geared towards Mindfullness is a great adjunct and all round good habit for life - remember this is a journey and life change, not some faddy cabbage soup diet, shitty short term plaster thing.
Benzo withdrawal is like hell, except there is a way out of benzo addiction.
Peace, love and good luck to all - you really CAN do it. X
mr_funsocks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take it from me Don't get addicted to GABAergics Was really stupid and mad at myself so I tried to go cold turkey and my mom found me convulsing in my apartment
dloburns ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:25:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like I've got a fruitful and exciting life ahead of me
docod44 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sometimes cover a drug and alcohol abuse unit. For our benzo abusers we give a benzo with a long half-life and initiate a controlled taper until they don't experience any more withdrawal.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jendroo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody Talks about mixing here.
Zanpie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. With enough tolerance and time this no longer happens.
That being said, LPT: don't do both for a long enough time to build up tolerance.
314159265358979326 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A blackout from benzos is better than death from withdrawal.
sillysidebin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But they usually only go so far as to give these meds to people who they determine are seriously in danger or at risk of having a serious withdrawal.
I've had alcohol and opioid like withdrawals in jail. The opiate w/d you're rightfully so, told you suck it up and lay ion the mess you're likely making... luckily I was mostly just having cold sweats and insomnia, no sitting himself.
First time being jailed though I was having some kind of episode that the police assumed was a PCP high. I think it was more likely alcohol withdrawals. They monitored me and kept me under closer watch while I dried out, but even with delirium they never gave me a benzo. Only would offer antipsychotic drugs. My impression was it had to be a serious situation to get prescribed psychoactive stuff. I remember it was like pulling teeth to get a benadryl or free Tylenol tbh.
camsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they had phenobarbital for those in alcohol withdrawals when I was in.
reptarcum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on March 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm late to this but in my personal experience they don't give benzos for alcohol withdrawal because of the risk of addiction to benzos. If you are already addicted to alcohol, that is an incredibly dangerous combination if you relapse on alcohol. My withdrawal drugs were antihistamine based anti anxiety meds and meds like naltrexone, in addition to my regular SSRI which helps curb anxiety as well.
I have had benzos in the past for my anxiety, never developed an addiction to them, but once my alcoholism started appearing in my history, the benzos stopped.
(They gave me a dosage of valium once to calm me down during a hospital stay but that's about as strong as it has gotten in the last 3 years.)
GonorrheaStick ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you're not getting benzos in jail.
felixthegirl ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:52:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You will for CIWA protocol for alcohol detox if you're a high seizure risk.
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:02:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that it's completely non-abusable, but I wonder if they use gabapentin more in prisons for alcohol withdrawl.
It's been shown to be as effective as lorazepam measured by CIWA Ar scores - and high dose gabapentin was shown to be superior [marginally].
Can't link on mobile but Google gabapentin use in alcohol w/d - should be the 1st article. First author myrick.
Lorilyn420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can get pretty fucked up on gabapentin.
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Less abuse potential than benzos for sure though.
dloburns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot believe all this blessed news I am receiving today
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YMMV heavily all that ever happened to me were shitty side effects use to have a script to fuck around with.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was prescribed gabapentin for fibromyalgia and it caused me to fall asleep all the time. I fell asleep at work while welding, driving on the highway, holding my infant son (while I was standing), etc. These things were after like 2 cups of coffee too. I called my doctor and discontinued it in less than a week of starting it.
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. It's not a benign med, just probably better for alcohol w/d than benzos
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah definitely. I wasn't trying to dispute your claim lol
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I know. I just wanted to clarify I was aware it's not a no-problem med so as to affirm your experience :]
felixthegirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is really interesting, I didn't know that. I'll have to look it up, thanks for the info and the author. I wonder why it isn't used more inpatient as well given the addictive potential of benzos.
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Certain services in our hospital use it a lot - but only scheduled, not prn due to nursing staff unfamiliarity.
Used on neuro units for w/d a lot more since the providers are more comfortable with side effect profile.
felixthegirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh gotcha. On inpt psych I suppose patients were on scheduled gaba but they were also receiving prn benzos with CIWA. I wonder if it's ever used alone prn in conjunction with CIWA.
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not PRN with gaba, but it is common to have patients on CIWA as well in case of breakthrough w/d symptoms and nursing preferences.
UnshadedEurasia001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're downvoted, but you're right.
brandy_works ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:57:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copied and pasted from where I accidentally replied further down: Iโm guessing the other inmate was having opioid withdrawal. We were in separate holding cells but I could sure hear her. It was hydroxyzine, an antihistamine that was used as a sedative a long time ago, and something else harmless which I now canโt remember. I first thought they were giving me my antidepressant or a substitute. Then when I heard the yelling from next door and got quite sleepy, I started to put two and two together. The CO figured out her mistake and checked on me. A lot. I probably could have gotten her in a lot of trouble, but I didnโt really see the point. I was in complete shock from being there in the first place, so I looked at it as a gift to get through that first day.
Side note: I did used to take a benzodiazepine for anxiety. I was allowed to have it in county jail, given by a nurse or CO on regular schedule with the rest of my meds. They did make a huge production out of it and refer to it constantly as a narcotic.
Funkit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they gave Librium, seroquel, and gabapentin in prison? I didn't realize they gave out the good stuff. Thought the benzo and alcoholics got the above and the opiate addicts got seroquel or nothing at all and just suffered.
sdmitch16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CO? Commanding officer? Was this military prison?
Trent_Hyster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Corrections officer
sdmitch16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
sweettutu64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oof, I had to take hydroxyzine after I broke out in rashes for no reason and nothing made them go away. I felt like a fucking zombie lol, it sucked
Valariya ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Methadone... superduper pissed.
Lorilyn420 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You got methadone in jail? I've never ever heard of that. What I have heard of is alot of people going thru horrible withdrawals in jail. Never once heard of anyone getting methadone or suboxone for that matter.
ScarHazel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember which one, but either Baltimore City or County gives methadone to inmates. Pretty sure it's city.
Lorilyn420 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:46:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're completely right. I looked it up and I'm shocked. Those are lucky inmates honestly. Imo too many people suffer for no good reason and that helps nobody.
ScarHazel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
bsbbtnh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:51:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in prison (in Canada), they gave out methadone like candy. Every day at noon, just before they'd let us out of our cells for lunch, they'd let the methadone guys out (to get methadone, duh). We called it the methadone 500, because you'd see nearly every one of them running full tilt to get their methadone. It is interesting to see 350+ lb dudes running faster than most healthy people could.
Then they would be strung out all day. When they'd see the doctor, they'd tell them that it wasn't helping and they'd up their dose. I saw so many guys who were sober for months/years break and convince a doctor that they needed it, and they would completely change. That shit is horrible.
Also, people would come back after their methadone, puke in a cup, mix it with juice crystals, and sell it for some good money.
kellypryde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to stop eating my dinner now. Setting it aside, there we gooo.
bsbbtnh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll pay you good money if you puke your dinner into a bucket, add some salt, and send it my way ;)
extremely_handsome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Methadone is a terrible drug. Coming off it blows.
That said, if I was doing a long bid I would definitely get on the highest dose I could and just spend everyday in bed.
dreamsinred ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Vermont inmates that are already maintained on Methadone or Suboxone in a MAT clinic are kept on these meds while they're incarcerated. The prisons switch the Suboxone dosers to Buprenorphine, and the Methadone dosers are escorted by DOC to their clinic, in shackles to receive a dose, and get either 1-2 weeks worth of meds that the COs place in a lock box and bring back to the prison to dose the inmates daily. If they're not maintained on these meds when they're taken into custody they get advil and immodium and dry out in prison.
Lorilyn420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This I have heard of. I did look up what the other person said and learned quite a bit.
PatriotsDynasty5x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suboxone IS buprenorphine
extremely_handsome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suboxone contains naloxone too. You can get straight bupe though, usually in lower doses.
whoami_1375 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Methadone is the shit
666ygolonhcet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to the NEWS you were instantly addicted and did everything under the sun to get more right?
brandy_works ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Answered this further down because I guess I canโt follow the little lines
flippo___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where?
brandy_works ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Way out of sequence. Now I copied/pasted it as reply.
balancedinsanity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Usually ativan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely benzodiazepine, suboxone, or methadone.
seye_the_soothsayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For heroin, methadone. Which is awesome .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:40 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got librium for mine
theturtleherder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live that they give out withdrawal meds? Iโve always had to kick heroin cold in jail.
crseat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many times? What's it like?
theturtleherder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kicking in jail? Twice. IMO itโs the easiest place to kick cuz you know thereโs just nothing you can do unless you can pay the price for some. But if you mean โwhatโs it like to kick cold?โ At the size habit I have, Iโm not afraid of the torture Iโm gonna face in Hell. Itโll be nothin.
crseat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:29 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After you were done withdrawing did you ever consider quitting or did you know you'd start again when u got out?
theturtleherder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:18 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I did but itโs not a choice itโs disease of the mind. Thatโs how insanely hard it is to stop. You think to yourself that you donโt wanna go through that again and then you end up with a needle back in your arm
crseat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:08 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That really sucks man. I hope you get better.
Rocky87109 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a nice welcoming gift.
snowconefondler ยท 2317 points ยท Posted at 16:24:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first night in county jail was surreal, to say the least. My summer of drugs and drinking had culminated into stupid crimes and there I was, my mom wasn't going to pay bail, I had to learn my lesson. That lesson turned out to be 8 years in a maximum security prison. County jail I slept with my shoes on the first night, thinking I was going home any day. I viewed myself as a kid even though I was 21, that somehow it wasn't really happening. Everything was routine, breakfast, tv, exercise, tv, cards, tv, cards, tv, cards. Six months later they wanted to make an example out of me, 8 years in state prison; in N.Y. you do 80% of your time so it ended up being 6 years 10 months. That first night in state prison, completely different ball game. First, leaving county jail you're in shackles, legs shackled to the guy next to you so if you try to run you better hope both of you are really good at convict three legged racing. The bus brought us under the prison, hundreds on inmates into what I would call a factory of processing humans for incarceration. Searched, stripped, cavity searched, shaved, showered, de-liced, waiting, clothed, waiting, all while hearing the noise of a couple thousand inmates above you not knowing what kind of mad house you're stepping into. Not much choice at that point. The most important thing I realized is, just accept it. You're there, time will move faster if you get a solid routine and just follow direction. They can't stop your time but thru can slow it up. I've been out longer then I've been in now and have my life back on track. I was definitely going to be dead from something stupid so I was rescued rather then arrested. Don't go to jail kids, being separated from everything was the worst.
Marty1885McFly ยท 428 points ยท Posted at 19:50:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How was your relationship with your parents after this
snowconefondler ยท 851 points ยท Posted at 19:52:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My relationship with my entire family improved. I matured in prison, dropped the so called friends, habits, and lifestyle that led to me being arrested. My family actually liked being around me again.
DavisSquared ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 00:46:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you are an awesome success story.
snowconefondler ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be anywhere without my family. I understood why so many go back to jail. Every job I applied for would see the felony and say, Oh yeah, we'll get back to you. It's like, dude, I served my time, I just want a chance. Through family and friends I got back on my feet and am married now to the most amazing woman. I never went back to that town except to see my parents and that also was the best thing for me. All those guys I hung around are either dead, addicted to heroine, or still getting arrested.
Calculoo ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:25:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you feel about the prison system as a whole? Just curious since it seems like it was more effective for you than most.
snowconefondler ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 01:33:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sucked. Most Co's were douche bags, the programs for rehabilitation were worthless, just a bunch of guys swapping drug and drinking stories. A few months into my sentence I got a job in education as a tutor and that's where I stayed for the rest of my time. I truly believed that was a major help bc I never understood the joy of teaching until I was helping grown men to read and write, or do basic math. I found an outlet, besides lifting weights. My point is, prison is what you make it. If you want to stand around and talk about your crimes and what you can do better next time, it's almost guaranteed you're coming back. If you want to improve yourself, you can. There is nothing but time.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:36:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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snowconefondler ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:37:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in printing and recently started my own business.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:42:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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CatpainCalamari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But first you're gonna get fondled...?
aksoxo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:17:32 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are real warrior sir. I like it.
wagenejm ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:44:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept waiting for you to say that you fixed up the old library and turned it into an education center after nagging the state legislators for years.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:06:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a felon, but being as I'm applying for jobs right now, with every application I submit, I think of the good people like you who can't get a job because of a mistake they made a long time ago. I have a BA in math and no criminal record and I'm having very little success in the job market, I can only imagine for someone who has to check YES to that damn box, it's nearly impossible.
What are you doing for work now?
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:54 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs sad for them at least what couldโve been
sdmitch16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:53 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at the second to last sentence of your first post and the entirety of this post, I'd say you were successfully rehabilitated by the prison system. You must be one in a million.
snowconefondler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:57:03 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The prison system didn't rehabilitate me, my family did.
sdmitch16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:08 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It felt so wrong saying the American prison system did something good at some recent point in time.
snowconefondler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:35 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There were certain Co's and administration that I will remember to the day I die. They treated me with respect as a human The rehabilitation system...not so much
sdmitch16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:06 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was only a few hours ago, in a reply to one of my comments that I learned what a CO is. Anyways, I'm sad that staff that treated you as a human being were so rare that each one is is an eternal memory for you.
tanarchy7 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 21:35:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you! I was scared with 60 days, i couldnt imagine 8 years! Fuck, thats heavy. Congrats to a better you!
snowconefondler ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:37:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. As long as you stay away from gambling, drugs, and gangs, you're fine. I learned to mind my own business very quickly.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:50:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does that work if you want to keep your head down and not get involved in anything, do other inmates try to coerce you into "joining" them so they can score another person who will offer them money or smokes? And if someone says "join my gang" and you say "nah dude, I'm gonna do quiet time" what happens?
snowconefondler ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:56:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always like to call that coercion "friendly extortion". People would try and take you for everything under the guise of, come on man, my family didn't come this week, I just need this or that. Being white, other whites assumed you'll hook them up when they come through just because they're white. Nope, I see how you move as a person then I decide whether you're cool or not. No one is going around asking you to join their gang, that's likein school when they told us we would get offered free drugs all the time. People joined gangs bc they were in a gang on the street, or wanted the protection of one in there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did u need a gang for protection
snowconefondler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison is not like the movies. If you stand up for yourself, other people respect that. I had an old timer tell me my first day in, "if you have to fight every day, fight, don't let anyone take advantage of you." People will prey on the easy targets, if you stand up for yourself they'd rather go for someone who will fold. Fortunately I didn't have to fight every day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are u a tough dude?
did u have to fight a lot?
snowconefondler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:53 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tough? No but I stood up for myself. My dad taught me through harsh lessons to be your own man, and I thanked him when I came home that his discipline taught me to be a man and not let anyone else dictate my actions.
Scrandasaurus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:51:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What were you arrested for? Theft?
snowconefondler ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:53:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Robbery 1st that got dropped to robbery 2nd and a string of burglaries they ran consecutive with the robbery. First offense but they were determined to set a precedent in my small town.
OnePieceTwoPiece ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:35:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
8 years (even 6) state prison is steep for burglaries.
snowconefondler ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:36:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Robbery 2 isn't burglary. They just lumped the burglaries onto that charge.
aussielander ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:43:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Australia you would need to kill like two families to get that much time.
Something like robbery, 4 or 5th time are usually a warning if you promise not to do it again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true.
https://www.lawanswers.com.au/blog/different-types-murder-charges-australia/
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:42:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's not wrong about robbery, though. They'll lock you up if you kill someone but steal from them and it's just a slap on the wrist.
aussielander ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:54:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really think that I thought killing two families is worth 6 to 8 yrs?
My comment was meant as humour about someone going to jail for so long for crimes that would get you any jail time in australia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not, but given that murder is a life sentence in Australia, armed robbery would probably get you something similar to 6 years as well.
edit: Ah found it 5 and half if you have priors. Add a string of B&Es to that conviction and the sentence is probably similar.
Gunningham ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inappropriate contact with a frozen treat.
Skrillerman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:24:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit 8 fucking years.
21 - 29.
What the fuck your entire youth, the best time of your life locked up in prison.
I would go insane.
snowconefondler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:29:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
8 years doing only 80% of your time worked out to 6 years 10 months then I got an additional 6 months off for my job as a tutor. 21 to 27, few months before I turned 28 but still a lot of years. I probably would've been dead if not for prison.
Lulalynn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:37:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your story
desynchronize ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:36:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I quit drinking, especially because it was gonna cause me to end up in jail.
DjLionOrder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you do now?
snowconefondler ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:12:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work for a printing company and also last year I started my own cleaning business, working a few nights a week trying to build it up.
DjLionOrder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome man, good luck!
snowconefondler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:14:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
SkinnyKidsanonymous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you go away for?
snowconefondler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:25:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Robbery and burglary
letmeim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I may be missing some details But from the story you said the fact that it went from you thinking to it would only be a few weeks to 8 Yearโs is insane.
snowconefondler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I said that I thought it would be a few, weeks, that I was going home any time...but I was sentenced to 8 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:23 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know the feeling. I think I got into a really good routine about 9 months in. Breakfast, excercise, lunch, laundry or something, make dinner, t.v. bed. a million counts, some programs, jobs etc...
sluggathugga ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 23:17:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WTF?
Are you black?
snowconefondler ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:18:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. White as they come. My county was known for not having leniency.
Bozo_the_Podiatrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:30 on March 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suffolk or Nassau?
wwawawa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:24:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why are you being downvoted
Plug_5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So sad that this was my first thought too.
springinslicht ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 00:08:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because only black people get jail.
sluggathugga ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:12:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's exactly what I was suggesting.
DrBairyFurburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What were you suggesting? That only blacks get harsh sentences?
sluggathugga ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:41:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Can you stop taking everything to extremes?
Perfect example.
Instead of "only" you could say "typically".
palemintdug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you took that to the extreme real quick.
jillyvii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You made my day sir. What a great story.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 00:39:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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BeefstewAndCabbage ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:51:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what you took from this honest, open, and in depth look into OPโs psyche upon entry into a correctional facility per the AMA request? A typo...get over yourself. This is reddit. Not English lit 400.
[deleted] ยท 21471 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I smell awful"
"He smells awful"
"Holy shit I am bored"
Swiftster ยท 2633 points ยท Posted at 17:17:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for the last time I am scared at the similarity between prison and basic military training.
theFATHERofLIES ยท 1441 points ยท Posted at 17:38:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No shit, jail is practically just a more sedentary BCT with less yelling.
fiveSE7EN ยท 634 points ยท Posted at 18:32:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so when people get stuck in BCT for many months on end due to medical issues, it's exactly like prison.
walla_13 ยท 540 points ยท Posted at 18:48:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being held back in BCT or AIT due to medic issues was terrifying. People would still train on injuries and with sicknesses so they didnโt get held back.
fiveSE7EN ยท 556 points ยท Posted at 18:49:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know I did. I had shin splints that almost brought me to tears, maybe I had bone spurs or something. Fuck it, not going to medical...
Then a dude got recycled for stealing a peanut butter packet. Now that was hilarious.
xraygun2014 ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 18:53:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From the PX or the mess hall?
fiveSE7EN ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 18:54:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't steal it from the BX, he stole it from the DFAC
And now from our differing terminology for the same goddamn thing, you can tell we're from different branches lol
xraygun2014 ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 18:59:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
guilty as charged
Goddamn, recycled for that? He had to have been a fuckup in general, right?
fiveSE7EN ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:16:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean the peanut butter thing was the only part of the story that circulated. i don't know the rest of the story, if there was more to it. I hope so.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More than likely he lied about stealing it after he got caught or his senior drill instructor already hated him. I got dropped for injuries and spent a little time in RSP awaiting discharge. All the guys who got dropped for seemingly minor things had major attitude issues or refused discipline/responsibility.
I mean shit, two recruits I met went AWOL for two days and left depot, came back and turned themselves in and picked back up on a new training cycle a few weeks later.
ScreechBlumpkinIII ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he also stole a guard dog...
Torchlakespartan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, when was this? I went through summer '15 and definitely remember that once things calmed down about halfway through a TON of us had those peanut butter things in our wall lockers. Honestly, we were laughing after we got done that looking back, the initial search wasn't very intense at all, and I really don't think we had our shit raided 100% unless they were super sneaky about it. Maybe we were a good flight, but we used to laugh we all could have had a big bag of heroin throughout the entire BMT. Granted I've never seen heroin in real life, but ya know, it wouldn't have been hard to smuggle much in.
fiveSE7EN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was about 10 years ago. I heard from my troops that went through BMT later that it only kept getting easier, by their own admission, compared to stories from the older guys. I think sometime between 2010 - 2012 was when the whole "red card" drama happened and they backed off a lot on the hazing and bullshit.
justanotherboredguyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:06 on April 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
super late reply but if its the same story it was a guy in my flight, he stole more then one over time and had stored it above a tile above his bunk. TI found it and was not impressed.
Sanguinesce ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:59:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, we kicked a kid back to day one from about ten weeks in because he was a fuck-up and nobody liked him. Almost everyone that goes through basic is guilty of stealing some PB for a nighttime snack, so it was pretty easy to plant the evidence. While anyone could be sent back to day one for "stealing", the DI's weren't going to fuck you for it unless you deserved it.
queer_mentat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, stole PB and didn't get kicked when caught. Soooo hungry during basic! I gained 40 lbs of muscle, which is insane for 3 months.
Sanguinesce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:30:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, my senior was very generous with the protein bars for his "quarterdeck crew", aka anyone willing to complete a certain amount of PT during free time. Only 100 8-count body builders for a powerbar!? Sign me up.
queer_mentat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would have probably done anything for a powerbar. Being hungry all the time changes you. Everyone was daydreaming about food and talking about what meals they were going to have once we got out.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
huh... i was the only one in the company who wasn't constantly hungry.
but i was also the only person in the company who wouldn't faff about with any of the low-calorie food and didn't waste time with shit like toast or peanut butter and jelly or bread with butter and sugar.
i asked for double portions in the line and i two-fisted my food - fork in one hand, spoon in the other. i pretty much just pipelined my eating - i was chewing and swallowing and shoveling in a continuous disgusting display of unbridled eating. i probably turned a few people around me off eating.
one of the last in line, one of the first ones out. got my ass smoked the one time my DI questioned me about it tho - she asked me how i ate that so fast, and when i opened my mouth to respond i let go an absurdly window-rattling belch.
i'd been hoping to make it outside before that one worked out, but nooooooo.
queer_mentat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We were only given 60 seconds to eat each meal, so you definitely learn to combine foods that shouldn't be combined in the most efficient way possible. I was starving the whole time though, probably because I was super skinny and not used to extensive physical activity.
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:25 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus thatโs steroid levels
Hysteriqul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
40lbs of muscle my ass unless they were feeding you heavy doses of quality gear. Even then 40lbs is bullshit lol
queer_mentat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was 6' and 130 lbs at the start, so pretty much underweight, 170 lbs at the end of basic. I went from pretty much never working out or eating much to working out 5 days a week and eating as much as I possibly could.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, the biggest gain in my entire company was maybe 12 pounds.
biggest loss was maybe... 18, but that was net loss. his chunky butt melted away and he had to go back to get new uniforms at least once.
me, i came out with like, two pounds difference. did shed a bunch of bulk though.
_rossmc92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs always a dude that tries to steal a peanut butter packet
laraferox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:49:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL, a dude in my company got sent back 3 weeks for bringing peanut butter packets back to the squad bay... Far as I know he was squeaky clean before that, good recruit.
Doyle_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I this is great. I love reading a conversation about something super specific about which two people know a lot.
MrPoopHole ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:05:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's pretty gay reason.
The DI would smoke you - but held back? Nah.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure when it happened, but you can use gay to suggest anything negative anymore.
It's pretty gay.
MrPoopHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf? That is weird.
DriveByStoning ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:02:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused. In the Army we said PX (post exchange) and DFAC. There would be no way to steal peanut butter from the PX because we were never allowed there. Barracks, PT field, DFAC, cattle truck. This was was in 2000 so I don't know how much different basic is now.
fiveSE7EN ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:14:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My marine friends say PX and mess hall (edit: or chow hall)
Bx (base exchange) and DFAC - Air force.
PX and DFAC - Army.
I don't know about the navy because I never liked anyone I met from the navy.
zerodameaon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:29:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For the Navy it was NEX and galley.
fiveSE7EN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry guy; I'll give you a chance before I say I don't like you. But man, a lot of navy folks are weird lol
zerodameaon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:39:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yes we were, likely why we ended up stuck on a tin can hundreds of miles from anything.
Dokpsy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better on a tin can than in. Worked with several navy and submariners. The sub guys were crazy.
MyDarkSideOfTheMoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I miss NEX's, those were the shit.
Brudaks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:40:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why, are you homophobic?
fiveSE7EN ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it just seemed that a lot of them were weird. Borderline autism or something.
s00perd00pz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PX and Chow Hall. To touch on the Peanut Butter subject, somebody from my platoon was dropped for finding a dollar and using it a vending machine for some Skittles at a vending machine. Dropped for lack of integrity.
ScatteredCastles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OCONUS bases always had DFACs, even USMC bases.
Of course, Camp Cupcake (Al Asad) had Pizza Hut, Burger King, Subway, Green Bean, etc., etc.,
SunWyrm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was Navy, she used PX/BX and Chow hall/DFAC, all interchangeably but she was stationed on several AF bases. She told me to go Air Force "because they feed you" - she was not wrong!
Suicidal_Ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We say PX and chow hall. But Iโm also Natty G. The new privates we get call it the DFAC but they adjust after awhile.
uncleanaccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NEX 4 Life
cobainnovoselicgrohl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:35:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Air Force? Those PB cups were GOLD at BMT
fiveSE7EN ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:37:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah AF, they're straight money when you're used to drinking powerade without sugar as your sweetest treat
mandalorian_misfit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now Iโm confused. I thought I could tell, but I used both PX and DFAC (or chow hall).
SunWyrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Navy? Or stationed with Air Force maybe?
My mom was Navy, and I went AF. We found out we used much more similar terms than say Army/Marines.
BloodAngel85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're Air Force right?
fiveSE7EN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah
Grenyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:05:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of terminology, no one who isn't whatever you guys are knows what the hell you are talking about.
But I find that military people do that a lot. Almost all the time, really.
fiveSE7EN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's kind of hard not to, when almost everything has an acronym and that's how everyone refers to it. You just get indoctrinated.
BX is Base Exchange. This is like a tax-free Target on the base. Other branches call it PX, because they don't call their installation a base, they call it a "post". Navy calls it a Navy Exchange because they're the Navy.
DFAC is "dining facility", which is also called the chow hall or mess hall.
Grenyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. I'd have more trouble using the acronyms than just simple descriptions like mess hall.
fiveSE7EN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't, because it was originally introduced to you as a dfac, and that's what everyone calls it. Even now, to call it a "cafeteria", which is technically what it is, sounds wrong to me.
zappy487 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow Airmen.
Nyketa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well Iโm all fairness those peanut butter cups from the DFAC were a god send with the chocolate protein bars. Was like a 5 Star meal at the time.
fiveSE7EN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You had protein bars? I didn't... I feel cheated.
crunchthenumbers01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DFAC is Army
Kirbyzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and I can tell neither of yโall are Coast Guard because yโall got Exchange visits during basic...
fiveSE7EN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I didn't get Exchange visits in basic, and I had air guard folks in my flight. I don't think they were happy that they had to do the same full bmt. They kinda wanted a part-time gig.
gobblyjimm1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How'd the MTI react?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:05:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Off we go, into the wild blue yonder...
MrShankapotamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had 2 guys get recycled in my flight for eating peanut butter in the flight office. One was the dorm chief. fun times.
Paper_Gremblo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We had a real dick bag who was going into the bathroom supply closet and hufffing paint out of garbage bags.
Dude got so fucked up he shit on this evangelical christian kids pillow he did not like.
He was on suicide watch shortly thereafter while waiting to be discharged, it was not a good discharge.
Another guy just couldn't handle the structure.
He'd jerk off into socks in the open and throw them at people. We couldn't get the kid out of bed in the morning so we had to physically dress him, it was out of fear of not working together since they punish you all for individual mistakes.
One day we just couldn't do it anymore and the DS found him basically naked on his bunk asleep with a shirt half over his head and one white sock on before PT. That was the beginning of a slow painful end, eventually they microscoped the kid and found he just wasn't mentally capable of coping with the army, so he was discharged on failure to cope with military lifestyle.
I grew up in Georgia, and when I joined I saw a bunch of kids being discharged I went to school with for not being able to cope.
The Army, and specifically the Infantry isn't a joke.
Brometheus-Pound ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:45:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To a civilian this sounds quite sinister.
StephenshouldbeKing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:36:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After 10 weeks, it's pretty sinister for service member's too
pussyaficianado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta get the soylent green from somewhere.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:31:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the Navy in San Diego back in the 70's, and we had a guy jump the fence in boot camp, right into the Marine boot camp. The company commander gathered up all his stuff, and threw it over and told the Marines to keep him. They did. He was transferred into the Corp. Whenever we'd see him marching by we'd hold up our cigarettes and pop and laugh at him.
Spi_Vey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:30:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
on one hand thats hilarious, on the other what a good origin story lmao
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:42:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him again a few months later at a bar in Tijuana, and he said what really pissed him off was they made him purchase his uniforms all over again, so his first check was negative LOL! Took him 2 paychecks just to cover paying for them.
heisenberg149 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:39:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, wtf you have to buy your uniforms?! We spend like $600,000,000,000 on the military every year and you have to buy your own uniforms?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Imagine back in 1972 making 300 a month, and your first check has about 200 taken out of it for your uniforms, shoes, etc.
heisenberg149 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea! I don't like that at all
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The military is just a bottomless pit of money wasted on stupid shit. Including every "war" since WWII.
ChristyElizabeth ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:56:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, had a friend stress fracture his foot, continued to train, just kept wrapping it. He's a bit crazy.
Amus3d ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We had a guy get recycled the last 2 weeks of bootcamp. He stole another recruit's money that their grandma gave them for Disneyland. Got caught and went back to day 1.
synbioskuun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a dirtbag.
SavageOfCalifornia55 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew you were air force the instant someone got recycled for that
We almost got in a fight with our brother flight for making fun of a couple of them who were recycled for the same
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to medical for blisters the size and depth of something I have never seen from my boots during OSUT. My 1SG had to come take a look to see how serious they were and asked if I thought I could do the 12 mile ruck. I said no, I didn't think I could. He said it was mandatory and if I was too hurt, I would get recycled. I then told him I would rather burn in hell. And I will never forget this, as he told me, "Good, you'll be climbing the stairway to heaven". (Benning)
I did that ruck twice in the same week and still have the scars to prove it.
Fuck being recycled.
EvilMastermindG ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:27:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I discovered at basic that I have bone spurs in both feet, and when I was given the choice of leaving, I did. There was no way I was going to get stuck there for months...
imadethistoshitpostt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was ground up in a wood chipper and turned to compost for stealing PB? Damn the army is tough
ExpatJundi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a guy get NJPd and kicked out of Marine Corps boot camp for stealing cereal from the chow hall.
tjsh11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You guys werenโt allowed peanut butter?
fiveSE7EN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We were, but you weren't allowed to take it from the, uh, cafeteria
Patsfan618 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had laundry room, cyst drainage with a sewing kit and Neosporin, so I didn't have to go home to have it fixed. PT was so much nicer after though without that thing on my tailbone.
ChuckWiles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had the arch of my foot collapse and I was given the choice of going to medhold or staying, albeit with a fair amount of pain. You bet your ass I limped for the rest of training
Gregory_Pikitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
During the air Force health thing in basic, I took two packets of peanut butter to put between my special k protein bar we got once a day. I slathered it between two bars in a bathroom stall because I had done someone's bed in exchange for their bar. I ended up choking and went to med hold for a while. It was pretty boring but really fun at times. It was wierd
Paper_Gremblo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We also had our class PL(platoon leader) stealing MREโs from some of the more timid kids in our group. He got caught with one at breakfast on a field excercise, It was after the grenade range run, anyway dude was paraded in front of the company. He then decided to show his ass like a child, went on suicide watch, told the DSโs he was gay to get a discharge. His parents told the DSโs he was full of shit and to not make life easy for him. He went AWOL and some MPโs found him off the highway near Benning, they ended up throwing the dude in mental health hold and we saw him a week before graduation still sweeping shit and doing yard work supervised with an orange vest and sneakers.
Alostsock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had pneumonia when I went through a while back, like green crap coming out of my lungs, sounded like Iโm dieng when I said anything. But I watched a kid from our flight get put into med hold for it so I said nope nope gotta keep going.
Still not as long as the people who attempt suicide, kid cut his wrists with a razor, avoiding details he was there for an extra 4ish months for mental evaluation and such.
NeshwamPoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had pretty much exactly that experience in basic, right down to a guy in my flight getting recycled for hiding peanut butter packets in his locker. Are you me?
fiveSE7EN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's common. Just like folks laying under their bunks and stuffing their hands under their mattress to take a nap on Sundays and look like they're making their bed. Just like singing Letters from War at church. I'm sure all of these happen in just about every flight.
buttery_shame_cave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's pretty funny.
we had a guy go awol - full desertion. the funniest part was that he signed out in the barracks log that you had to make an entry in if you had to leave for any reason on your own.
firehazel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friend had shin splints in boot, had to stay an additional 2 months. I was glad to see him a few months later at A School.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fiveSE7EN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy, you don't don't lead 'em so much!
hotgator ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:55:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if other basic training were like this but ours had 4 or 5 people get diagnosed with asthma the first few weeks and get medically discharged. I'm sure they mostly legitimately had it but the word I got was you could ham up mild symptoms during the testing and easily get a med discharge.
I happened to go to sick call a few weeks in and one of our drill sergeants picked the whole lot of us up in a van that afternoon. On the way back we passed by some building with a huge parade ground and there were about 20 privates in PT gear mowing and raking the lawn.
Our drill sergeant yelled to us as we passed them: "You want to get out on a medical priiivates? You can. They did. About 6 months ago. And they'll probably get their discharge finished in another 6 months."
That definitely put in perspective that basic training takes much less time to finish than any serious Army personnel action.
atlasburger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't go home if you got a medical discharge?
gobblyjimm1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do but it takes fucking forevvvvver. A kid from my flight had ADHD or anxiety or something like that and was gone within two or three days of us actually arriving to Lackland. He was still there helping out the church services when we graduated 7-8 weeks later.
Another guy went to a doc appointment a few days before we left for tech school and he was told that he had to stay 6 months just in case he wasn't fit after treatment or something like that.
Sparowl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Medical issues? Ha!
When I went through in-processing to GET to basic, I met a guy who had been at in-processing for four months. His paperwork for in-processing had been lost, so they had to contact his guard unit to get it resubmitted - his guard unit who had just gone through a change of command.
Then, when the paperwork came back, it moved up the chain...until it hit the desk of someone who got replaced while it was on his desk.
Then it got lost again.
He literally just sat at in-processing for months on end. They had started treating him like permanent party - having him escort people around, putting him in charge of squads, etc.
I had brought a book with me for the trip to the center (I had had a bus ride, then an overnight stay, then a flight to the in processing center), and ended up giving it to him so he had something to do while his wait continued (he had a small footlocker of books that he had already read while there).
For the record, his time there did count towards his contract, and he was still getting paid as active duty, including family separation addition.
mephysto678 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For the record, in-processing was just about the worst experience I had in the Army and I was only there for 5 days.
Sparowl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was out-processing. Getting all the paperwork together and stamped, getting everything turned in, all the appointments, meetings, classes...all while your unit still expects you to show up to work.
I was super stressed. When they handed me my DD214, I swear muscles unclenched that I didn't know I had.
mephysto678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was relatively lucky in the fact that we had just gotten back from deployment that I was stop-lossed for so my unit was taking it pretty easy on me. However, I do remember it being a pain.
zerodameaon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was coughing up blood at one point due to bronchitis, yeah I hid that shit.
Suicidal_Ferret ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:39:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm just now having knee surgery to fix an issue I developed in basic because I didnโt want to be a hold.
And prisoners get tv. As a recruit, we got the radio for 3 hours on Sunday if we were good and we were the envy of the other recruits.
Giraffemakinfriends ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in basic a girl I trained with shattered her knee. Literally shattered it into shards. I didn't see her for a few weeks because she was in the hospital then transferred to sick bay. Well I twisted my knee doing the same thing she did (falling off the survivor course, about 50 feet) and I went to sick bay to receive painkillers and rest. I was only held back 3 days (at first). I saw this girl and she looked like a shell of a human. She was being held back at a minimum of 6 months to heal and then 2 more months of basic. She had a 2 year old daughter at home. I got discharged for fucking spraining my knee because I had a mandatory release date for my senior year of highschool.
I straight up told her to fake a mental illness and get out on a Chapter 11. Hell, if she didn't fake one then, she would definitely develop one during her sick stay.
I haven't seen or talked to her since..
atlasburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when you are hurt that all these people are training through injuries?
Giraffemakinfriends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They make you stay until you're healed. You can't leave base. You can't go home. But you also can't do anything because you're healing so you just get emotionally beaten down constantly while you watch your peers go home all around you. Depending on where you are, you only get one 5 minute phone call a day. You're family can't visit you, either, at least where I was.
There was a woman who injured her spine and was there for 3 years and she was still there when I left..
the_jak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew I had pneumonia about three weeks before graduating from MCRD San Diego.
There was no way in hell I was going to spend a day longer than necessary aboard that installation. I pushed myself and the first day of boot leave after getting home I went to my old family doctor. His exact words were "how aren't you in the hospital?"
Wanting to leave boot camp is a hell of a motivational driver.
ErzherzogT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sprained ankle checking in. Boots so stiff that extra tight laces made them into a pseudo splint
CaptainRitzy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:10:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did this. Sprained during training and it swole bad. Extra socks, lace the boots tight and I could walk on it. Even ran the 3mi for our final PFT. Literally 3 weeks from graduating, and I wasn't about to stay any longer.
PM_ME_UR_TANNED_BUTT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finished the 20k ruck with a sprained ankle. My DS gave me an ace bandage to wrap my ankle. It sucked, but it was that or sick call and being recycled.
fistymcbuttpuncher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to do the final fitness test with bronchitis. It was so bad I was breathing through my ear.
And fuck those cold packs. wtf is motrin and cough drops gonna do stop bronchitis.
TheHorriBad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:30:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I rolled my ankle in AIT and didn't get it checked out because I was terrified of not graduating. Fast forward a decade and I can't run anymore, and can barely walk more than a mile before having to sit for the rest of the day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ran my final PT with a fever and I'm pretty sure I almost died. It was worth it. The medical flight kids had been there for months extra.
Arnold_Mal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Broke Dick Platoon
Phobien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got pneumonia and jacked up something in my groin area while doing sprints in bct. I sure as hell wasnt spending 10 more weeks at that place!
BobMarker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:48:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly
As far as Im aware, prisons don't have suicidal/homicidal inmates drag their bunks to the middle of the jail block and force other prisoners to watch them two at a time for two hours at a time overnight.
But otherwise, yeah
damnocles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:57:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well that dredged up a pretty terrible memory. Hope you're alright, man. I was there too.
theFATHERofLIES ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:44:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I hadn't thought of that, but that's definitely an apt comparison
HelicopterHorror ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I made it to BCT and most of the way through in processing when they bounced me for dental issues. I was stuck in the shittiest barracks in the entirety of South Carolina for a month and half. It was awful and the entire time I was thinking "I am never breaking a law again"
zerodameaon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some guys who were in boot camp with me were stellar recruits but ended up on med hold. They came out the other side months later acting almost like ex cons. I would run into them a year later and they had already been on restriction twice, or on their way to get processed out. Their military careers were almost all pretty short, some would make it to their 4 years but none reupped.
damnocles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was medically discharged during jump school, was in 'RnR' for close to two months before it actually processed, and my god, the treatment of the people in that unit was neither restful nor rehabilitative.
The outgoing drill sergeants at the end of their assignment used them as fucking slaves, personal mental torture dummies, all types of shit.
In basic, the drills were at least partially in your corner since you were a prospective soldier. In RnR, you were fucking human waste. It was dehumanizing.
fiveSE7EN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well that just sounds like tons of fun.
I knew one guy who was stuck there for 8-9 months, and said the women were so horny that a few of them would flash the guys whenever they could, and tried to bang in any corner of the building, so there's that.
damnocles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Must have been a non combat MOS, the only time I saw a woman while on Sand Hill was an instructor on the phonetic alphabet.
That sure would have made time go by faster, shit....
MrPoopHole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thus I never went to medical. Wasn't worth it.
i_sigh_less ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You make more money even as a trainee than you do as a prisoner.
fiveSE7EN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gee, you mean there could have some been some hint of hyperbole in my analogy? noooo
lama579 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm it feels exactly like prison AMA
Lanc717 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you leave with injury, you just have to restart the whole thing?
fiveSE7EN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it depends on the severity. Sometimes they put you on hold to heal up for a number of months. Sometimes you get discharged immediately.
Alarmed_Ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We got stuck for an extra week in processing because they didn't have enough boots or some shit like that. We were in processing so we weren't allowed to do any strenuous exercise because we weren't in our unit yet (which was odd.) so the most they could do to punish us was put us in the forward rest position (like a pushup, but you just stay there.) for about an hour at a time.
We were so bored by the end of that second week that we had created an entire chess set from stones that we had to hide when the Sergeants (we didn't even have drill sergeants yet!) came through.
My point is, we hated an extra WEEK of processing, I can't imagine what repeating BCT would be like.
Corndog57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jacob?
MountainGodofWine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that guy who got bleach in his eye and didn't tell anyone till he was blind still there? He's been there forever.
Tigerlove111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my gosh I did that in the marines. Was called MRP (medical rehabilitation platoon) it was the most depressing place on parris island
LawyerLou ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except no one thanks you for your service.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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theFATHERofLIES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:02:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BCT is basic combat training.
strakerak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basic Combat or Basic Cadet depending as to where you go
Corsair3820 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The one big difference though is that DI'S don't actually want to kill you.
arkdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BCT has a lot more pay.
Pyro9966 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:57:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in corrections, veterans almost always do better inside than any other group of people. Even first timers.
cardboardunderwear ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:05:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in basic the drill sergeant asked one of my friends (who was in the front leaning rest) what's the difference between basic and jail. His reply:
In jail you get to watch TV.
elcolerico ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:13:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm; currently in the (Turkish) army, reading reddit with a contraband iphone.
WtotheSLAM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think jail will have clothes for us to roll? Cause that was the only way to kill time
letmeexplainitforyou ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:51:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An entire focus of Sociological theory is on how similar institutions all are (specifically ones you can't leave willingly), be it prison, military, or psychiatric hospitals. They all work almost identically from start to finish.
GreyICE34 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Schools should be on there.
TheWorldisFullofWar ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:02:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Our school was designed by an architect known for designing prisons. Really fucked with my head to go 8 hours and never look out a window.
the_jak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at a prison that was supposedly designed by a guy who used to design schools.
Swiftster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's messed up. The outer walls had no windows?
TheWorldisFullofWar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There were no real outer walls in any of the rooms. Most of the hallways lined the outer walls and were solid concrete. The only windows were on the tinted doors at the front and back of the school. The other doors leading out were all solid.
This was in Texas so I am guessing the buildings are built to prevent shootings from the outside.
cookrw1989 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does this happen frequently??
TheWorldisFullofWar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never experienced it but in local news, multiple students have been arrested for making threats while obviously being in possession of firearms.
Swiftster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm raising a kid in texas and that's my thought.
pm_me_xayah_porn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear the cities are actually safer in Texas.
iamdax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, not at all
HappycamperNZ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:16:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if edgy kid or insightful.
GreyICE34 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:28:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my 30s, and one thing I've constantly noted is how people who just leave a school almost seem to deprogram for a few years.
For example, if you don't like someone you... who cares? Just don't hang out with them. If there's a few years difference in age... who cares? You can have friends who are 20 years older than you. You make your own social connections.
They just don't seem to quite grasp that you're not trapped with people the way you are in school, that two years of difference means nothing, that their hierarchies just aren't as useful, that popularity isn't as big a deal, or a deal at all.
BloodAngel85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even with showering every night,you still smell in BMT. He'll my feet were nasty by the end. My first day in tech school I apologized to my room mate for my feet smelling.
Swiftster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My god that first long private shower after basic. Best shower.
BloodAngel85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amen friend! After 8 1/2 weeks I actually felt clean and my head stopped itching (I have thick hair with a mind of its own so in addition to the hair ties and Bobby pins I needed plenty of gel to keep it in regs)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:03:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I start training in 2 weeks... thanks for the confidence boost mate
zerodameaon ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:34:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't get sick, do what you are told, and check the attitude at the door and you should be fine. There are two ways you could go about it, at least for the Navy, you could be hot shit and get a petty officer position but always be visible, or you could be that guy who the RDCs only discovered the day before graduation.
Itisforsexy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get sick?
I mean, no one voluntarily gets sick.
the_jak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but sick call is voluntary and unless you went to sick call, you aren't sick.
Itisforsexy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But then you'll spread the illness to everyone else.
the_jak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some things maybe, but fuck me if I'm staying there longer than absolutely necessary.
pussyaficianado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's good for their immune systems...
PM_NUDES_4_DOG_PICS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which branch and MOS? This description can vary heavily based on that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going into British army, infantry
PM_NUDES_4_DOG_PICS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, okay. I'm U.S. Army Infantry. If your training is anything like ours, you gon' die.
For real though, jokes aside, it's tough, and infantry in particular is known for being the toughest besides maybe some special forces dudes. It won't be easy, but just stick with it and don't give up and you'll be fine. As shitty as it is, there's actually a lot to love about basic training too. You're gonna make a lot of friends who'll be willing to die for you, you'll do a ton of cool shit most civilians don't get to do in a lifetime, you'll have fun. Don't stress too much about it man, the fastest way out is through.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't say I'm not looking forwards to it! Phase 1 is 14 weeks, and phase 2 the same, done one after the other. Just planning on keeping my head down and doing what I'm told! Cheers for the pointers!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:52 on April 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Update. You're right, I'm dying :'D
PM_NUDES_4_DOG_PICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:08 on April 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I'm surprised to get an update, hope you're doing alright man! Welcome to the Infantry!
sub_reddits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a positive attitude, basic training can be a lot of fun. I really enjoyed my time at Benning.
GimmeHendrix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:10 on March 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes my basic at Benning sucked ass everyday while it was in progress, but after finishing it and looking back it was not so bad and really changed me physically, but more so mentally . Itโs times when youโre pushed past what you thought you are not capable of that really build character.
But the basic is nothing compared to the deployments. Then you realize you have so much fucking potential you never knew you had in you. And also you will bond with people on levels that just donโt exist in the civilian world. Itโs impossible to put into words the bonds and sacrifices you would make without hesitation for your brothers. I think a huge part of my struggles since I got out is that I havenโt been able to find that bond in the civilian world.
sub_reddits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:55 on March 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You hit the nail on the fucking head. I know that struggle. It's been 6 years since my last deployment, and I still haven't gotten over it. Leaving all that behind was the most bittersweet break-up I have ever had.
Swiftster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, you got this. Once the initial shock wears off it really is just a lot of physical labor, dull classes and rushing so you can wait around.
And occasionally guns will be involved, which is fun.
CowboyLaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is one reason why, in the past, some people willing to do the latter were excused from the former.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of many reasons I have a difficult time understanding the mindset that leads a person to volunteer for military service.
Please don't misinterpret this as me talking shit about anyone who has volunteered. I just can't imagine myself ever doing it.
Swiftster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:18:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was an usa airforce programmer, so this may not be typical, but post training it was basically a beaurocratic heavy office job with weird customs and group exersize in the morning. The usaf military is very corperate. The hyper rigorous precision is reserved for when it really matters.
Maxxx21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
USAF vehicle ops here, if Iโm not sitting in a drivers seat, Iโm sitting at a desk for 8 hours.
IFreakinLovePi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:55:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm signing up next January. I mostly want health insurance and to finish school without debt because living in the US is apparently a dystopian nightmare at the moment.
Maxxx21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized the distinct smell that guys had fresh out of BMT. After being in tech school for a few months and you get a new roommate, that smell of musky BO really sticks on them.
Irketk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At Kessler AFB, you could smell them across the triangle when the newbie BMT grads arrived.
556pez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. I was a Correctional Officer for years before I joined the Army. I learned I had ptsd and could not handle being in an institutional environment.
FYF69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basic was worse. Jail was mostly boredom, not terror.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:22:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you get hurt during training at MCRD San Diego, it's WORSE.
MRP is literally NEXT to the parade deck, so you get to hear either platoons drilling all day, OR, and my personal favorite that made me want do whatever it took to get better, even lying about how far along I was in rehab, was the people graduating every week.
Holy shit, at least in prison you know WHEN you're getting out.
In MRP, you're just constantly reminded that you aren't going ANYWHERE.
Swiftster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God, medical flight is the stuff of nightmares. I remember hearing some story of some poor sap stuck in there for months.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I met a kid who was at MCRD San Diego for 18 months.
18 months, in that environment.
Let that sink in.
I mean, sure, we were all moto as fuck, what Boot isn't?
But that kid, you could tell it fucked him up.
He was already a freakin' Lance, just from his time in, and he hadn't left BOOT CAMP yet.
I would have been climbing the goddamn walls, so to speak.
GimmeHendrix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was eerily similar to 40th AG at Fort Benning. The holding unit before you start basic training. Just waiting all day to do nothing.
FLR21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it surprising that prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals, which all resemble prisons?
MrWaffleHands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude ain't that the truth.
aqu4man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to do a weekend in county a week after I got home from deployment. It's more like holdover in Kuwait, but without the USO/MWR.
giraffebutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You never wanted to hear the word recycled in BCT.
g4vr0che ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And high school.
tristan-chord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait so are boot camps boring in the US? I was in the Taiwanese Army and we get perhaps 10 minutes of idle time per day during the first two months of basic training...
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:33:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No
Source: u.s. army vet 19D and former jail inmate. Jail was more boring and more expensive
Mosessbro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How'd you like 19D? Been thinking about enlisting in that MOS after college.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I say this as someone in their late 20s and disabled pick something with more applicable skills in the civilian sector. I thought I was gonna have a full career and retire in the army NOPE life took a quick turn in another direction. Sometimes I feel like an NBA player that got injured with no other skill sets to fall back on
Edit: The earlier part said I had a blast as a 19D the history is deep and the culture is crazy as fuck. Takes a special kind of person to be a cav scout and love it.
Back in my day we did training at Knox I feel like dinosaur
Mosessbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My degree is in Environmental Studies and career goals include being a Federal Wildlife Officer, so I feel like there are some transferable skills, no?
Everything I've heard about cav scouts is they are some absolutely insane soldiers. I have nothing but respect and admiration for you man.
I know they're at Harmony Church at Benning now. I've got a buddy there that says it's the best shit he's ever been though!
Jilozap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, after the first few weeks you generally have several hours a day where all you can really do is clean your rifle or look over notes you took during classes. It was actually pretty boring
caulfieldrunner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:41:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What branch were you in? We didn't have it that easy in the Air Force, and that's supposed to be the "has it easy" branch.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I was going to say "but what about waiting in lines" and then I remembered we usually had our faces buried in the study guide any time we were inactive for more than a few minutes.
caulfieldrunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or trying to keep the bloody gloves from falling off while reading.
Swiftster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AF is like 20% exercise, 20% marching, 60% boring classes and appointments.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
minus the rifle this was definitely the case in the navy
tristan-chord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the notion of Air Force guys had it easy is pretty universal...
Swiftster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably varies branch to branch, but I found the air force to be a lot of boring classes, a lot of waiting around for some kind of processing. There was never a lot of straight up idle time, but 90% of it was on autopilot.
[deleted] ยท 5099 points ยท Posted at 16:29:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1380 points ยท Posted at 19:52:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DadsAdvice ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 19:54:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like all of 7th grade for me.
Romanticon ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:39:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait 'til Gym period, then you can douse yourself in Axe to get them middle school babes all hot and flustered
DadsAdvice ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:01:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Were you watching me change in the locker room shower back in 2007?
Romanticon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:13:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We all were, son. We all were.
DadsAdvice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you still watch me now. I've grown a lot.
ivedonethisbefore68 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:43:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take it easy, dad.
VaderH8er ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:10:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the cubicle farm for me.
darkskinnedjermaine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:51:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Sprog_Recording ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:56:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... I smell.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:07:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just went through all of your stuff and i gotta say, you complement sprog the elders poems spectacularly and i have now dubbed you sprog the younger in my Res.
likesinatra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you do voicemails?
Seanrps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so an average day, that ends in y.
SpyderSeven ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh wow how lucid
CrudelyAnimated ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:07:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is your name a take on "Lucas McCain" from the Rifleman TV show? Or were your parents just really capricious for their generation?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you want to argue?
bogidyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:52 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anything is arguably anything
R3dth1ng ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:31:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Short and to the point.
AThousandRambos ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:12:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This also applies to the small surly fellow with the toothbrush shiv a few cells down
pbugg2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:54:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs definitely a jail stench that I sometime smell in my brain nose. Itโs kinda nice knowing that Iโm not in there and Iโm in the bed with my girlfriend or at work.
Just_da_fax ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:39:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I did a day and a half for a minor...let's say, clerical misunderstanding. They put me county jail, in with some long-term guys on minimum security(relatively speaking) that had a TV, N64 and a library just down the hall. But that shit gets boring real quick when that's ALL you have to do and zero windows.
That was fifteen years ago and I've had nothing but a single speeding ticket since. The thought of being caged like that for a long-term type sentence scared me right the fuck straight ever since.
unfeelingzeal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:57:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
is this a religious cleric with a "minor" type of misunderstanding?
Just_da_fax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:17:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, this was a 'contempt of court and missed re-scheduled court date' type misunderstanding. I had a minor problem recognizing law enforcement's position of authority over me...more or less.
coheed78 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:07:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did some controls work on a new kitchen at a maximum security prison. Yeah, those places smell absolutely terrible.
Meandmybuddyduncan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:35:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did a few one nighters in Harris County in Houston. People don't understand just how bad the smell is...I'm gagging just thinking about it. It gets into your nose and mouth and just fucking stays there. Like shit mixed with rancid BO, mixed with rotten Indian food, placed inside a box, and then left to ruminate for a few decades. Every time I went to jail there was at least one if not more people, without fail, that shit themselves and literally just laid there in it in the holding cell like nothing happened. That mixed with 80 or so other people that haven't showered in a few days being crammed in a 20x20 room was not pleasant.
malicetodream ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what that bob barker sanitary kit didn't work for you.... shit is a joke
I_smell_awesome ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:01:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why is bob barker giving away sanitary kits?
Rainiero ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No relation to the famous TV host. Bob Barker is the name of a manufacturer that specializes in prison toiletries and the like (also psych wards etc.) The products are cheap and barely work, but I've heard their underwear are surprisingly decent.
PM___ME___DREAMS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bob Barker is a company name for super cheap hygiene products.
malicetodream ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:18:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bob Barker owns a sanitary supply company that provides sanitary starter kits to incoming inmates to most county jails/prisons. I believe it is call Maximum Security if I am not mistaken. Usually the cost of these kits is somewhere around 22 dollars. They include a useless toothbrush, toothpaste, deodorant, pencil, cup and spoon and small sheets of paper and one paid envelope.
butt-guy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Essentially what went through my buddy's mind when he was booked. Also there weren't any windows or clocks within view of the cells so he lost all sense of time when he was in there.
Edit: they also gave him a mattress for the bunk, but both those things smelled like piss. So he ended up sleeping on the floor under the bunk because the lights were too bright.
the_silent_redditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that's grim.
Magnumpimplimp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I witnessed a solution to the โothers smell bad partโ. There were two guys with shoulder length dreadlocks, they put soap behind their ears and shook their head back and forth. The soap smell travelled with the hair and into their faces. Problem solved!
hydrogenousmisuse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Smells like farts, all day.
TheMrNick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And forget about reading. Every book if missing the first 4 chapters and the last 3 chapters.
So you don't know how they got there, not entirely sure who they are, and you get no resolution. Some good character development in between though... You know, that actually kinda sounds a lot like jail now that I type it out.
DorisMaricadie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the suck
rworldnewsmidfcucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That pungent pheromones drives a man wild.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hungry
You can't call tap tap in jail bro
What do you mean I can't have non narcotic prescribed medicine (gabapentin) because drug users abuse it?
Perky_Bellsprout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been led to believe personal hygiene is a big thing in prison, and if you don't keep on top of it you get your wig split.
theturtleherder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs exactly what my experience was like. They may be making things up. No one stays smelly for long....
spaceklods ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same can be applied to a homeless shelter, and maybe a halfway house (don't quote me on it as I've never been in one).
endoftheunknown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:34 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent 43 days in jail, can confirm that these are regular thoughts.
neilsBohrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the conversation I have with myself every day at work.
pocketfrisbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out(?)
theturtleherder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn for real? When I went in if you did not keep yourself clean you got one warning, then you got the smell beat out of you.
Djkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. Brilliant. That's pretty much it.
homoaIexuaI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basically
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I wonder how my kids are right now"
"Man, my wife must be furious with me, I hope we don't get divorced"
"Can I afford a good enough lawyer?"
"Hope I don't piss anyone off for doing something I didn't even realize was a 'respect' issue"
"God, this food is SHIT"
"Is there ANY way I can bond out?"
"Would it kill someone to give us WARM blankets, or at LEAST something to wear under these shitty excuses for clothing?"
"Why am I in this cell with literal murders and rapists? Don't they separate violent and non-violent offenders? What the fuck..."
psxpetey ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs it? Doesnโt sound like a lots going on up there no offence
TheIrishninjas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like college life to me.
HopelessTractor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds nothing like college life to me.
Maybe we had different experiences. College was the most fun part(y) of my life.
Clankkk ยท 17870 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first thing thing that went through my mind was "How can I mentally prepare myself to survive this." Then when you get moved to your cell it changes instantly "Who's sizing me up". After that while laying on the bunk its "I'm going to have a lot of unpaid bills when I get out".
hoozt ยท 6300 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how do you handle the bills? Call someone to help out?
Clankkk ยท 9051 points ยท Posted at 17:04:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you have friends and family that will assist. The one thing you have to realize is the world doesn't stop just because you're locked up.
DemiGod9 ยท 5265 points ยท Posted at 17:51:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I'd be uber fucked if I went to jail. That's an aspect I never thought of
xShooK ยท 3069 points ยท Posted at 18:06:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your house gets seized, at least you'll have a roof over your head still. Just keep going back, free food and TV!
sparksfIy ยท 3325 points ยท Posted at 18:47:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why some end up right back there.
vintagesauce ยท 2338 points ยท Posted at 19:06:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But, most end up back because it's damn near impossible to find work after you've been in prison and/or have a felony.
bottledry ยท 2318 points ยท Posted at 19:40:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a local Chicken joint in my area that only hires "difficult to employ" people.
Drug adicts, convicts, homeless.. its built into their business model, and I love giving them my business because of it.
RevBendo ยท 1418 points ยท Posted at 19:54:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I come across someone whoโs a recovering drug addict, and it seems like theyโre honestly trying to get their life back together, itโs honestly a huge boost to my chances of hiring them. Despite my experiences with addiction in friends / family, it isnโt because I have a bleeding heart or want to make them a charity case โ itโs because 90% of the time they turn out to be the best worker I have an run circles around people who have been doing the job for longer.
Sure Iโve gotten burned by it a couple times, but itโs about the same rate as by the general public.
So please, everyone. Keep not giving second chances and just send them my way!
vikkivinegar ยท 341 points ยท Posted at 23:04:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for being you. I'm a recovering addict/felon. Been clean around 5 years. It took multiple trips to jail, losing almost everything, etc., and I finally got clean by putting myself in an 18 month (voluntary) treatment program. The program had some professional resume writers who came in and donated their time and helped us learn skills that people pay hundreds of dollars an hour for. I ended up with a badass resume. Some people from the Rotary club came in to give mock interviews, for the residents of the program (mostly addicts, some with mental health issues) to practice interview skills. The man who interviewed me liked me and ended up inviting me to interview at his law firm. That hadn't happened as long as the program had been in existence, since it was practice interviews, not a real job hunt, but the director of the program made an exception and I went to the firm for an official interview. They didn't have any openings at the law firm, and I had nothing but restaurant experience, but they created a position for me. They took a huge chance and gave me a shot. I've been here 4+ years and I will be loyal to this place forever. It helped me reshape the way I saw myself. At first I felt like a fraud, like they would all realize I was just a junky. The longer I worked here the more I felt like I belonged. They trained me and now I have honest to god skills! I dress up nice and come in to the office just like everyone else. I've been able to grow into my new life, which is more beautiful than I would've dared to dream of, and a huge piece is having a job I can be proud of. TBH, I couldn't even get a job at McDonalds, because of my background. This job was an unbelievable blessing. Having this opportunity helped change my life and the way I see myself. Being given a chance made all the difference in the world. Thank you for doing what you do. There are tons of people trying to turn their lives around, who are far more deserving than I, who will never get that opportunity. You being willing to take a chance and help give someone a future is so fucking cool. You're a good one.
megaputaface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:57:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just some random stranger from the internet, but I want you to know that this random guy is super fucking proud of you.
vikkivinegar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even though you're a stranger from the internet, I appreciate the support. I really truly do. Thank you.
bondsbro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:54:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was beautiful
Leonidizzil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:58:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing that. Your tale is one of perseverance and hope, and I am happy to have been exposed to it.
vikkivinegar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
<3
SomeGuyNamedJames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:42:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was served by a guy today who clearly is more recently off Meth. I assume he was on some kind of program, not sure if it was mandated or not. But the guy, while clearly new to all of this, was giving it all his effort. He's got the drive through headset on, covering the inside tills, ducking to the kitchen to sort out the fries, getting all the drinks.
The guy that was there to evaluate him pulled him asside and gave him really encouraging praise because he was genuinely doing really well. He seemed so thankful to have the position and I hope he can keep it up and build a good life for himself.
As an ex manager in late night venues and gaming, I have dealt with a lot of junkies and it's never pretty. All the best to him.
Great_Bacca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be like your boss one day.
Iโll try my best to make that day tomorrow.
vikkivinegar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is beautiful. I think often times people have no idea how even just a little encouragement can go a long way, especially to someone who is trying to leave everything they know and the comfort and haze of dope, and see the cold clear sober facts that they probably need to change literally everything and everyone they know. To give someone an opportunity to be a productive member of society is worth so much. I'm not kidding when I say I couldn't get a job at McDonalds, or a gas station, or walmart. I have felonies and therefore, I'm pretty much fucked. I think employers who give felons chances will probably get screwed over sometimes. But other times they can be giving someone so much more than a job. Thank you for being the kind of person willing to make a difference. I hope whoever you give a shot takes it for all it's worth and makes you proud.
Omnesquidem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:44 on April 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WOW!!! Serious man congratulations and props to you and that man for doing what you did and do. Know it or not you're a hero man.
[deleted] ยท 692 points ยท Posted at 20:06:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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RevBendo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I could give you a little confidence boost. Keep doing the right things and donโt lose hope! Thereโs more of us out there.
deathofsadsack ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:46:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone will eventually take a chance on you - with a job, and with a place to live.
Know that it will happen, be thankful for your freedom, and donโt listen to the naysayer inside your head that wants you to be bitter and resentful.
My felony conviction was in 2001, and is now a distant memory...Iโve got a great job, a family and a life.
As frustrating as this portion of the journey can be, you will get past it If you stick to the plan. Lots of folks, me included, will be rooting for you.
0rangutan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hang in there, man. What city? There are some good resources in r/excons.
Minsc_NBoo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:50:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck to you. Don't give up! Hopefully you will find another open minded employer , and when you get your shot let reddit know how you are getting on ๐
SquadDeepInTheClack ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:54:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in the US? Check out a Goodwill program called Job Connections that specializes in finding all kinds of jobs for those with barriers to employment.
Gravy_mage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aw man, if I could offer you employment I would. Good luck. Just because you were convicted of a crime doesn't mean you're forever a bad person.
TrainFightSurvive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I was the Gm for a company that had over 65 employees and any given time, and over 4 years had Close to 160 total employees. I too agree that someone who genuinely wants to better them selves, they will stop at nothing and shine above the rest to get the results. I mentioned their history goes no further than myself and them at work. Yes like the other guy I was burnt many times. However it didn't change my look on things. Ended up promoting many over the years to be my right hand workers. Stick it out no matter what. Here's the deal...simple and you've heard it a million times I'm sure but, the end result...if you really want it, feels better than any drug, or will treat you better than any "friend" from your past. I've taken people into my home, guided them, all the stuff I would hope for someone to do for me if I was in their shoes. Comes back to an old saying my parents raised me with. "Treat others the way you'd want to be treated" I don't know you, but I believe in you. Belief is stronger than one may think... it's energy and were all in this together in one way or another.
mofojoe5620 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Keep at it man. I met some awesome people who had done a stint in prison when I lived in Philly. Warehouse work is pretty great, some of them are pretty tough on background checks, but you can learn a lot of different skills working in a worker. You can get a CDL on the company's dime some places. Plus forklift certification and shit.
raincatchfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It might also be good to consider that some places would probably rather save money than actually do the background check. If you think you are applying to one of those places, you can probably just lie if you think the odds of them not checking are higher than the odds of you being considered after telling the truth. Play the odds. There's no shame in doing what you need to do as long as you really do have good intentions.
Realize that this can come with the risk of getting fired if they ever do find out, but that is very unlikely to come up later on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:17 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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raincatchfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:14 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it really depends on how your mind works and what you are dealing with. I wish you the best.
chiggidy300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are in DSM, Iowa PM me. I can get you a job.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:32 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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chiggidy300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:27 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope everything works out. Take care.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to high end restaurants during the day, ask to speak to the chef about being a cook. The turnover rate is high in kitchens and you will find a job. Or use Craigslist and get into construction. Start as a laborer or painter and learn carpentry or tile. Both roads lead to a decent paycheck. Good luck.
mcmoonery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're around the Philly area, Shop Rite works with exfelons to give them a job and build them up. It's the Browns Shop Rites and they have been doing this for years.
[deleted] ยท 313 points ยท Posted at 20:17:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. 4 years ago I was a literal methhead. Now I'm the Gm of a restaurant and a full time student
burnbabyburn11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:40:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good job dude! Rooting for you and your recovery!!
chameleon-queer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:20:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
congratulations on the recovery and starting a new life. I've got 9 years in recovery and every second i'm grateful i survived
Salvatore_giuliano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great job, what are you going to school for? That must be tough while being a GM. Sounds like a lot of work
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Accounting. Honestly it's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I got promoted over break and just started classes. I keep telling myself people go from homeless to Harvard but idk sometimes i still feel like dropping out
Swamyyy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look in to part time studying and see if that is a viable option for you, it may take you longer but you'll still get there in the end. Much better than pushing yourself too hard and burning out in my opinion. Best of luck and congratulations on your sobriety!
annoyingcaptcha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck, reading that was inspirational.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pharmacology?
0rangutan ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I call it "hiring off the bounce". The people I hire from the halfway houses are great. They work hard, are happy for the opportunity, and quicker learners than people that aren't trying to rebuild their lives. Like u/RevBendo said I've been burned, but no more than I have by "normals". YES, I AM LOOKING AT YOU JUSTIN! WHO TAKES THE BATHROOM KEYS HOME WITH THEM AND NEVER COMES BACK? THIS IS NOT HOW A SOCIETY WORKS! WE CANT OPEN THE PAPER TOWEL MACHINE!!
RevBendo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Justin. Heโs the worst.
throwthisawaynerdboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Webstraurant.com sells those little squiggley white dispenser keys. Bought 5 of them last week.
[deleted] ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PinkyBlinky ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:50:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a former heroin addict who is trying to become a doctor, this gives me hope...kind of
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sorry to hear about your uncle. just to give you some more perspective it likely isn't that he got cocky but rather that his diseases finally beat him into submission. I'm about a year clean from heroin and my life is amazing today but I still have to battle it every single day. It is incredibly powerful and is always trying to find an angle to get back into your life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really a disease though? Or is that just something you say to get a bit more pity?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha are you serious? What decade are you living in where you donโt think addiction is a disease.. the 50โs?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well its kinda self inflicted no? I mean I've heard it many many times but it's mostly in a joking and almost sarcastic context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so if something is self-inflicted it's not a disease? Would you say someone who eats a lot of sugar and develops type 2 diabetes not have a disease?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:55 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see your point, didn't think of it like that but great comparison. Sorry if I offended you at all, I know i may have come off a bit crass
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:50:17 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
apology accepted, thanks for being open minded
speedtoburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't being a doctor require like 10 years of school?
arcacia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's your point?
_Sonicman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He thinks that the "good 3 years" includes the time the uncle took going to school to be a doctor. Which I thought at first, too.
ShowMeYourBink ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:55:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a run-in about 10 years ago that put me with a felony for 5 years (dropped to a misdemeanor immediately after) and found myself working odd jobs for the first 4, barely getting by. I took a job as a sales associate in a sales position under someone who knew my situation personally, but told me not to tell anyone since they don't do background checks.
I got promoted to assistant manager soon after because I was really good at it, with the end result being that I would run my own store in a year's time. About two months before I move for my own store, they start making us background check everyone who is hired on.
When I got to my own store I would have interviews set up when my regional manager came, some of which ticked 'yes' on the felony question. He hated that I interviewed these people. He also reprimanded me when I hired one of them as my assistant manager (he still doesn't know I was in the same situation). I have hired at least ten people who have felonies over the past few years, and they are always the hardest workers you will find. The first guy started out sleeping in his beat up car and me letting him use the stores address for his mail. Now he runs his own store, bought a new car and owns his own house.
This country (the US) doesn't want to give anyone second chances, and that's a shame. People fuck up; it takes some of us doing that to get on a good path.
AngeloPappas ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope more people end up seeing this. You are so right.
Afkrfk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:41:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As you can tell, it's quite hard for a lot of us to find work.
ElliotGrant ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:28:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for posting this
jaweddle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:20:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My father hired many ex-cons as head of a dye house for years, before all textiles closed up and went south/over-seas.
He said that most of them always worked harder than other employees.
Atlman7892 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:36:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much! As a person in recovery it means a lot to me and the entire community when someone is willing to give us a chance. Most of us really do want to make our lives better and be given chance to be judged based on our abilities. If we fail then thatโs OK, we failed and failure is part of life; it nice to know that we at least got the opportunity.
Calithin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting to say thanks for that
howie_rules ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We appreciate you.
xSARGEx117x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My company doesn't hire anyone who's been convicted of anything. Doesn't matter what it was, or what position they're hiring for.
One employee didn't tell them during the hiring process. Worked for about a year. He was excited to be able to provide for his daughter, and show her mother he wasnt a deadbeat.
Then management did a background check on him since they wanted to move him to a new position, didn't tell him about any of this.
He came into work one day, the manager, district manager, and even regional VP were waiting, and told him he was fired, and he might be hearing from the company lawyers, and they'll be reviewing camera footage to see if he's stolen anything. Escorted him out to his car, and (this part I didn't hear personally, but he told me this) they had cut the lock off his locker and were going through his personal effects, and would be disposing of it afterward.
I mean, I get some jobs having good reason for not hiring those convicted of certain crimes. But the guy was working in retail. Not even running a register. And we get checked every time we leave the store to make sure we aren't stealing. It's not like he murdered anyone.
All he was trying to do was make a living and try to provide for the people he cares about.
Last I spoke to him, he had been either passed over, or fired from more than 15 separate jobs just because of his criminal record.
mamaneedsstarbucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a recovering addict, thank you for this. I'm one of the lucky few who managed to avoid getting a criminal record during my addiction (and knock on wood before or after it as well) but I'm coming up on 4 years clean and I just divorced my ex who is also an addict, currently in prison. I also gained a lot of wonderful friends throughout my recovery who have felonies because of their addictions and they're the best people I know now that they're sober. It makes me sad that in my area they are basically unemployable.
thatjoedood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, addict in recovery. Thank you for what you do. Catching a break like that can mean everything to someone who's rebuilding their life from the ground up.
T98hSp4SwIq2dg0Mmnv7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Before I got an overhead position I never realized how incredibly fucking unreliable the 'general public' is. Calling in 2 minutes before your shift starts that you'll be half an hour late and then showing up 45 minutes late. Calling in sick with a cold an hour after your shift starts. Not calling in at all, showing up the next week pretending like nothing ever happened. Answering your personal cell phone (which shouldn't be on your person due to data protection policies) while on the phone with a customer.
Every time I call in sick I feel like an asshole because other people will have to do my job. Every time I send an email the moment I know and call as soon as I know someone will be there to answer the phone. I just can't imagine being the average general public.
WholesaleVirus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same but in a different method.
I have rented a room to a number of people who came fresh out of prison. They came to me at recommendations of others, who were just needing someone to give them a chance. I do my due diligence, and check in on them and what they went away for. Talk to their parole/probation officers, and lay out clear rules, and normally its more to guide them back into free living. Coming out of the penal system, a lot of the time they have troubles adjusting back to normal. With that being said, I do what I can to help them be successful in a way a friend would help. I'm not going to do things for you, or remind you like your mother. But if you ask help, and I reasonably can, I help.
I've been burned a couple times, but nothing to stop me from helping.
When someone comes out of prison, people have paid for their crimes, and society likes to to forget that. Stop judging, and start helping. When these people are coming back out, and don't have a support system, that's when they end up backed into a corner and back in the system.
/rant
SleepyAsSnorlax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:24 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i was unemployed for two years until i got my second chance, and iโve been told iโm the hardest working employee, and it means a lot, but not as relieving a second chance. i aim to work as hard as i can when iโm at work to SHOWhow grateful i am. thank you for saying that, not all of us are waiting to use again .
jammerjoint ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:05:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think all businesses can afford that liability. Many corps need to think about customer or investor perception if something does go wrong. More so for the felons than the addicts.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As long as they're honest. The ones who aren't really getting sober and are just killing time till the next run, they will fuck you over something hard.
ttchoubs ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:46:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Name man we need a name!
bottledry ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 19:54:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hot Chicken Takeover
You can see on that page they even offer 0% interest cash advance loans (among other stuff) to help some of their crew when they get into tight spots.
spagheddie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:05:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted everything that lead me to this comment so it gains visibility. These guys are top dudes!
Dou-kut-su ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:03:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, that's sick. What a lovely business.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm vegetarian and I'd chow down there.
UpUpDnDnLRLRBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, they need to go national!
UpUpDnDnLRLRBA ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 19:49:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Los Pollos Hermanos
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:54:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PepeSilvia1160 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...are you the single person who has never seen Breaking Bad?
tytythesoldierguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs making a joke dude
PepeSilvia1160 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get that at all from his comment, but I could be wrong
tytythesoldierguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah heโs joking by purposely saying the name wrong
Veiy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:51:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Los Pollos Hermanos
SeattleBattles ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:12:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that places like this do this, but most I hear about seem like they offer pretty little in terms of advancement. You aren't going to support yourself, much less family or education, on the kind of wages you get at a chicken joint.
That's not the chicken joints fault and they are doing more than their part to help, but we have to do more. We really need to figure out a better way to get excons into solid careers that can actually get them the kind of financial stability that will reduce recidivism.
Kbost92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not chicken joints, but thereโs lots of advancement opportunity in trade jobs.
sunflower21090 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Columbus Ohio possibly? Hot chicken takeover?
bottledry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ya definitely, i linked to their site in another one of my comments.
memorex1150 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:07:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a lot of people who work for me who have gone through struggles with substance abuse issues. Also a lot of felons.
Then again, I am a director of an outpatient drug/alcohol treatment program!
I've four staff members who have two more more prior felonies, one staff member with only one felony. A good # of my staff have no criminal record/drug history. I make it a point to not steer someone who away who has messed up.
Sadly, though, in my industry, I cannot employ certain people with felonies such as sexual assault, arson (insurance liability, not my rule), kidnapping, and a few others that escape my memory at the moment.
I had one gent who committed sexual assault twenty years ago. Locked up for seven years. Did his time. Went through massive therapy. Even earned a degree and a license to be a therapist!!!
Company owner wouldn't let me hire this person due to him being a large risk. H.R. loved the guy, too, but, backed the owner due to perceived/possible risk.
I get that. I do. I was super saddened.
Guy understood but was obviously disappointed.
(Silver lining: I pointed him out to a friend of mine who does private practice. She put him to work and he now has a client base of twenty-five that he sees every month.)
madtv_fan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:19:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How's the chicken?
PuyallupCoug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MOD Pizza does the same thing. I love eating there and all the staff are very friendly.
TySwindel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:02:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Homeboy bakery and Homegirl cafe in LA
maf272 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chicago?
vox_veritas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather was a vice president of a large tobacco harvesting/manufacturing company quite a while ago. He made a point to hire those types of people, because he believed it was his Christian duty to help people in those circumstances who had paid their debt to society. He was a stern man in business, and had a "fuck me once" one-strike policy which he made quite clear to those hires, and according to my family, he never had to fire any of them.
Klaus_Goldfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a genius business model. Hire people known to be 'ard, and the other 'ard ones won't mess with you. Not only because they know they'd get hurt if they tried, but also because they'd be messing with the one place willing to give them a chance after they return to the real world.
cpali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Los Pollos Hermanos?
ChesswiththeDevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men's Warehouse does that as well I understand.
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is the service?
MHanky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HCT represent!
flocksofclocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hot Chicken Takeover?
mike_d85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple of restaurants that are work rehabilitation programs. Cons get training in cooking while inside, get a job while they're fresh out, and then have recent experience to put on their resume to find a job.
Food and bev doesn't really pay that much attention to background checks if you're working back of the house.
iDork622 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a chain?
HoMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the exception not the rule.
embiggenedmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weโve all heard of Bojangles
earbud_smegma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing! If I knew of a place like that near me, I would go there all the time.
A_thaddeus_crane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay but what are your thoughts on getting the sandwich?
ohiofish1221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Hot Chicken Takeover in Columbus, OH
demostravius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Until one day you find child porn in your chicken!
HellOnHighHeels94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We have a coffee shop opening near me soon thats exactly the same, it'll be employing the homeless. The father/daughter team opening it are great people, they really are.
BrunoPassMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Genuine question- if they build it into their business model, how do they protect themselves against theft, drug use, violence etc as Iโd imagine not everyone looking for work would be completely reformed
spiderlanewales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My buddy, the cleanest-living person I know, somehow ended up with a job as a cook at a place like this. He was surrounded by these massive dudes with face tattoos and prison-weight-bench muscles. Turns out they sourced most of their employees from a local rehab/work program for recently-released felons, and he happened to apply the one time they didn't have enough people.
The next guy hired after him was fired his first day after going out for a "smoke break," only to be caught out back nodding off while holding a needle.
Bn_scarpia ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cynic here:
Maybe they do that in order to pay them less/keep payroll low
buddybiscuit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:21:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Person who actually reads links here:
https://hotchickentakeover.com/our-story/our-mission/
Bananapepper89 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:12:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Plus the cops
stealconfiscate all your stuff. I have a family friend who went to prison for 12 years on drug charges (growing pot in the 80's) and the state took everything. His houses sure I get that, he was using them to grow. But they also "confiscated" about $25k worth of tools and would not give them back after he got out. He was a mechanic by trade and after he got out he was doubly fucked because of that. Nobody wants to hire a felon but shops are 100% going to laugh at hiring someone with a record AND no tools.Pisses me off. Some POS cop probably has a real nice home set up now.
kfmush ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really its a combination of both. Major debt and loss of wealth, with the impossibility of employment. Meanwhile, the corporations running the prisons are making bank off the cheap/free labor and subsidies. They want it to stay this way.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:23:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For one, using prison labor for profit is illegal. For another, only 7 percent of state prisons are privatized, and 18 percent of the federal pens. And the feds just last year said they're phasing out private prisons because they're poorly run and have a high incidence of violence. The real answer is poor people go to prison more frequently because they can't afford decent legal representation. And poor people are also more likely to be involved in crimes that have a high probability of being caught.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:46:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pedantic_asshole_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where'd you hear that? On the internet?
Chupachabra ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm so best way for lemmings is not go to jail at all.
ADSquared ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:53:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like your post and the post before stem from the same point. It's damn near impossible to find work after prison, so you can't have a roof over your head, and boom
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both are so very right. I have family that became a felon because a cop blocked her car on someone else's property. It was a long driveway and they were in the middle of leaving when crazy lady calls the cops.
She has to work 10x as hard an anybody I know and two jobs just to keep afloat and she would be homeless if not living with us. Every job hates you for even being near the word felon, and 99% don't give a shit HOW it got there and only with that its there, (it's quite a few years in america before they strike even the weakest felonies).
Shes said that she might as well kill some people she hates so she can get the treatment the state is giving her as a free citizen.
Obviously not going on a rampage, but you see how brutally unfair it is for these people, even the innocent ones. So somebody with enemies is pretty much a ghost after jail/prison.
Arcrynxtp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:22:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How though? Why is having your car blocked in a driveway a felony?
MakeItSick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs leaving out huge details of the story in order to gain sympathy
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The lady that called the cops claimed she stole her cigarettes. Cop pulls in, blocking her, searched bags and find (guess what?) cigarettes.
It sounds stupid, but if you live in america you know that's all it takes to ruin somebodies life.
Possession of alleged stolen goods and trespassing is all it takes.
OH SHIT I JUST REMEMBERED, thats how her bags got searched. What tehy found was a guy, "Kato"'s prescription. She was keeping them from him because he is, well was. unstable. Kato passed, it was her son that found him, its a long story.
In short, she was saving a life. It didn't matter in the end. shes a felon, hes dead, and we have to keep moving on. (remembering this kinda makes me sad.) (if you were wondering he OD'd on X and hung to make sure it ..happened.)
fullhalter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a lot of value in hiring ex-felons. There's a federal tax program that gives your business $2,400 back for every ex-felon you employ; some states also have their own tax incentives. Also, felons aren't the type of employee that is going to work for you a few months and then jump to another job. It's hard enough for a felon to get employment, so they will likely do whatever they can to stay employed. There was also a study that showed that ex-felons were more loyal to the company they worked for, presumably because that company took a chance on them and they feel an obligation back to the company.
sparksfIy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. My comment obviously ignored the complexity of the situation. It should not be that hard to find a job after- especially for nonviolent crimes and even for violent crimes if we truly believe the reason we put people in prison it to be reformed.
Just_Some_Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there are many resources you can utilize if you are an ex-offender. check out your local unemployment office/workforce site, and a lot of them have re-entry services or additional assistance. they can help you find employers who people who have criminal backgrounds. yes, it depends on the crime, but it's not impossible.
NSA_Chatbot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of places that will hire felons:
http://www.jailtojob.com/companies-hire-felons.html
Kortike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to any machine shop and youโll probably get hired without a problem.
twashbud101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a pending felony for a mistake I made 3 years ago. I was lucky enough to not go to prison for it because it was my first offense, but I am on 5 years of probation, 3 on good terms.
I have completely changed my life and am grateful but itโs so damn hard finding a job. Iโll be stuck in food industry jobs for the next several years, or until my felony is dismissed and then hopefully get it expunged.
But even if I expunge my record, it will always be there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I took my first shower at home. "Holy Shit! Its been YEARS since I took a shower without flip flops on. Also I don't tape a bunch of magazines around my body to prevent a stabbing when I have an argument outside. But seriously, getting a job was tough, especially after you kill someone, and of course I thought and still think about my friends that are never getting out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kegtech ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:38:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Our insurance doesn't allow us to take felons on as apprentices. In my state you can't branch off on your own as a contractor until you put your time in under somebody else's license.
vintagesauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:35:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone has that skill.
10100110100101100101 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:47:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of prisons have trade programs like this, the one near me is starting up solar panel training in the jail.
Toshiba1point0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No mr literal but itโs a place to start and a way to start thinking positively about how to take care of yourself.
vintagesauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked with people transitioning from prison. It's not easy at all.
Toshiba1point0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So have I and never said it was easy.
mankiller27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My college offers free tuition to some non-violent offenders out of Rikers Island. Makes it easier, but a lot of them still have some trouble after graduation.
luzzy91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to add, you don't even need a felony to be unemployable to most places. I'm lucky that I found good pay doing manual labor, because I can't be in management basically anywhere after my background check that contains a misdemeanor.
GoHurtMyFeelings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not 100% true. I have felony friends who got decent jobs. Your options are just different.
theydoexist81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. Most employers don't run full background checks unless you're applying for a government job. I work in the engineering field, and I have a few felonies, and I spent 6 years in the joint for drug trafficking. Most end up back because that's what they know. They get out, they have nowhere to go,no money to survive, so they turn to a life of crime. Selling drugs, robberies,etc... I'm not saying it's right, but sometimes you have to "stretch" the truth a little when you've been convicted of multiple felonies when applying for jobs. MOST employers don't run extensive checks like that these days due to the expense. I mean fuck man, they didn't even verify to see if my bachelor's was actually valid. They checked my resume, I went for a drug screen, and I started work the following week. And this is working for General Motors on their engineering team,making much more than I did selling weed back when I was trafficking drugs. I'm just saying that not all hope is lost because you're a convicted felon. It is difficult, but not impossible.
Sonyw810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm super thankful I was reduced to a misdemeanor. Iโll gladly sit 6months to get out with a misdemeanor.
I got bored after a while and started writing the DA for early release. She kept reminding me that early release wasnโt part of the deal.
So Iโd write her back and ask if we could make it a deal.
snakkattakk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Note to self: don't commit a felony.
DimeBagJoe2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure there is, you can sell coke...wait a minute, I see where you're going with this
PolkaDotsOnThursday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's this bread company that hires ex-convicts to work for them. The founder spent fifteen years in prison before founding it. Their bagels are amazing.
TalkToTheGirl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I won't lie - I've definitely considered jail as a way to have guaranteed housing and food.
daKEEBLERelf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think there was a guy who had canver or something so he walked into a bank with 1 bullet in a gun, fired it into the air, then sat and waited for police
vingeran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hospitality
_Serene_ ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That mindset shouldn't be enabled by taxpayers money.
MyFatCatHasLotsofHat ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:07:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It shouldn't be enabled by the prison system and the job market either, yet here we are
Pinksters ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:21:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some lose so much while separated from the rest of society.
First its your wife/girlfriend+kids, house, car and credit with it. Then friends and acquaintances.
You might get lucky and have loving family left that supports you while locked up but good luck getting any help when you first get out and have nothing left.
Either go back to prison or neck yourself. Some times living in a permanent state of confinement is better than not living
TessHKM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The mindset of having your home taken?
Stevemagegod ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In NY Criminals get free tablets which is fucking ridiculous
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:46:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blame JPay who is funding it.
They wonโt give tablets to schools where it could be used to educate. But they will pay to give tablets to prisoners so they can charge prisoners and their families $0.50 per text message from their devices.
Itโs just them finding new ways to exploit prisoners while making it look like doing something nice for them.
Fuck them.
Wetnessistheessence ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So making it easier for parents who are incarcerated to interact with their children is a bad thing? Many of the extra features are turned off depending on the prison. America needs to either figure out if prison is for rehabilitation or punishment. I believe most citizens have made up their mind and they've chosen punishment..
sparksfIy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I commented above that not getting jobs after is a result of not believing the system reforms. And Iโm sure it has its problems. It should be reformation, not punishment.
iamerror87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In jail or when they get out? If they get them once they're out why do you find it ridiculous? With most jobs requiring resumes be emailed or at least an inline job application in order to even be considered for the position, most apartments for rent being online nowadays, and hell, a lot of free resources can be found online. Plus WiFi is free almost everywhere. It could actually help immensely with reintegration into society. So why exactly is it a bad thing?
I'm not a NY citizen but I'd much rather my tax dollars go to handing out a tablet for rehab purposes with the hope that they become a contributing member of society rather than having to pay to house the person in jail or prison again.
Stevemagegod ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Jail FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES. It's supposedly from a Private Company so it won't be from my Tax Dollars and supposedly with no internet access but once you get a Tablet the Jails Wifi Password will be Leaked once they hack it most likely.
jakolissmurito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've known ppl that get locked up specifically for this reason..
FluffyPhoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was one guy who robbed a bank for a single penny so he could be arrested and sent back to jail.
freetimenow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/shittylifeprotips
Spaceman248 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well thatโs what some hobos do
Imupnthis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3 hots and a cot.
scsm ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:17:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you joke but I have had a few family members and friends work at state penitentiaries and they have quite a few stories where someone was going to be homeless, couldn't afford heat/food so they would intentially go to prison for a place to live.
xShooK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know man, I've seen it too. Friends don't care to go back, homies still there and you'll learn a new hustle. It's sad, but it's a damn trap. Once a felon, no one cares about you. Gotta work your ass off just to survive on some minimum wage job, very few options.
numberIV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:09:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be dissin' jail Julian. We've had tons of fun in there, we have good friends in there, there's good dope. Don't be dissin' jail like that, it's not cool.
JuNKmanTreeOFigh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A fuckin atodaso
ScientificMeth0d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The real LPT is always in the comments
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You joke but I know a guy who the bank took his home but he refused to move out. When the bank sent the Sheriff, he told the Sheriff he was still the property owner.
He even kept the power and water on but just didn't pay any rent or property taxes up until about a year when the bank sold the home as a foreclosed auction.
The guy who bought the home was a flipper and a friend of my brothers. He told me it was really sad after he bought the home and the guy was still living in it that he had to leave or was going to be arrested.
The guy didn't trash the home or anything but just packed up all the stuff he could take and put it in his car and went somewhere else.
Kbost92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I went to county jai, I met quite a few homeless men inside that simply committed petty crimes just to go to jail in the winter so theyโd be warm and have three meals a day.
ScarletCaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/shittylifeprotips
Kulfyr3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait i never though about this. what the fuck do they expect will happen if they ruin a prisoners life?
Zaza-SpiritWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? If you are a homeless person on the streets struggling just for food jail starts to sound like a nicer option
Eilbeck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ShittyLifeProTips
knj30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I distinctly remember thinking this when I was like 7 years old. I asked my mom "why don't homeless people just go commit a crime so at least they'd go to jail and have a place to sleep and food to eat?" She didn't know what the heck to say ๐
knj30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right?! I distinctly remember thinking this at like 7 years old. I asked my mom "why don't homeless people just go steal a car or commit a crime so they can go to jail and at least have somewhere to sleep and food to eat?" She didn't know what the heck to say to that ๐
jayesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Free sex too
RagingAnemone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's better to be a giver than a taker.
xShooK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just make sure to wear your crocs in the shower!
jayesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And donโt drop soap
walla_13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing is free
Naiyru ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only costs your time, who needs that
Malak77 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:45:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For the prisoner it is.
Sendme_Ojeda_Nudes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it is in jail. actually, mane homeless people end doing ilegal thimgs that dont hurt anyone to go jail and survive
cultured_banana_slug ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:23:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not just jail, but just arrested and unable to post bail.
So many innocent people wind up being released because the charges were bogus but the damage has been done. Car gone, job gone, apartment gone, stuff (possibly) gone... unless someone else was paying the bills, they're in collections. If they had auto-pay on their account, they likely have multiple overdrafts...
Being innocent is no guarantee that the justice system won't fuck you over.
DemiGod9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true too. The fucking
JusticePunishment SystemprofeDB ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:47:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do taxi, food delivery and now fucking? I guess this really is the gig economy.
spacenerdgasms ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than Lyft fucked
SYNTHLORD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Excuse me Tyrone, I know the computer room is where you sling cigarettes but I really need to visit FedLoan.com to pay off my advanced education loans. We cool bro?"
blue1748 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not sure itโd be that bad, you could probably still drive uber.
Johnvonhein1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The student loan sharks who read about your arrest probably laugh over their breakfast served atop bodies of supermodels and say, "Heheheh, look who just made a fortune on interest!"
"Very good, sir!"
"Quiet, table!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going on mission for 6 months. Im just glad I have a girlfriend who fixes the bills. Those that doesn't have one to take care of it have problems
GettingCucked6969 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh me too. Netflix is gonna have my ass.
wtfpwnkthx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know Netflix was accepting ass as a form of payment now. Looking forward to the grass option...i have plenty of that shit laying around but unwilling to give up the booty.
MrPiiie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quite literally
GoHurtMyFeelings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you won't have to worry about paying your Uber bills while in jail. You'll be fine, there's always Lyft.
solo2bsoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Walk around jail or prison saying words like Uber and you correct about getting fucked
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that's one big reason why almost everybody who goes to prison ends up there again
Sir_George ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. No friends and family is too distant to give a shit.
starlinguk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Automatic payments. Don't see why there are still people not using them.
DemiGod9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Money is going out but not coming in. Eventually that well runs dry
VinnySmallsz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rule one of jail: Dont say uber unless you are German
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, when you're out, you get a flying car.
Bartfuck ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 18:13:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
out of curiosity, what type of bills do you have when you get out?
Midnight_Rising ยท 451 points ยท Posted at 18:16:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your mortgage doesn't stop.
randomcurlyfry96 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:16:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Forgot to cancel Netflix
Bartfuck ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 18:21:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i guess i was thinking more like if you don't own a home, and eventually your phone and heat get shut off for non payment, what else would add up.
Midnight_Rising ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 18:24:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Credit card payments, car payments... Gold's gym keeps charging declined fees.
ISaidGoodDey ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:16:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't you be able to cancel all these accounts fairly quickly? Rent/moving all your shit sounds like the biggest pain
codered6952 ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 19:18:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever tried to cancel a gym membership?
ISaidGoodDey ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 19:22:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you're right
"Hi, I'm gong to prison I need to cancel my membership"
"Managers not in today, can you call back in a year?"
cloudbyday90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just stopped going one day. Tried signing papers but they got lost or something, the gym called me a couple times. But found out that it doesn't hurt your credit and doesn't go to collections, so I didn't care.
smallxdoggox ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:20:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The most difficult task in the world
Old_man_at_heart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:59:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've got the opposite problem. I've got a corporate membership through work and pay $10 a month while work pays the rest. The gym had a computer system update and all corporate accounts don't show up. They've let me in, but for more than a year they won't give me a card because I "don't have an account".
InvisibroBloodraven ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:37:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People just do not realize all you have to do is send a letter of cancellation, via certified mail, to where your contract specifies. It is super easy, but most people think telling a random front desk person that you are canceling is sufficient. Read the contract and it is actually easy.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why kind of backwards ass business expects people to mail a letter these days though
Puncherice ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:27:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gyms
QBEagles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that telling a "random desk person" should be sufficient. The only reason to make people send a letter is to add additional steps to the process thus making it more difficult and frustrating. It isn't illegal, but it's plainly unethical
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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digitalmofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't the front desk guy whip out a cancellation form and have you sign it?
QBEagles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/u/digitalmofo said as much, but this is nonsense. Again, there's no good reason this couldn't be done in person at the gym except to add another step to the process and make it more difficult, thereby limiting cancellations. You can do it in writing there, it isn't hard.
sandthefish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just told my bank to stop processing the transactions.
Caraleio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then they get sent to collections.
scordax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and it's kept me from signing up for another one...
WintendoU ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you can't really do anything like that from jail, you need someone on the outside to handle all that for you.
That is at least what it sounds like. I guess, even if you could make calls, you don't have your banking info and your accounts will run dry without income.
Ollyvyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you don't memorize your checking account and routing numbers?
nmezib ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That and credit card bills. Especially hard to do if you don't have an income and no one to trust with paying the monthly minimums.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you can pay off the balance, no, you can't just phone from jail and say "cancel my credit card bills please"
CSI_gal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um...most people do not plan to go to jail. This is something that usually happens with out notice. No real way to plan for it. Also, it is probably not the first thing on their mind when it does occur. "Hold on officer, let me deffer my credit card payment before you take me in." Doesn't seem logical to me.
paintballboi07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All phone calls made from jail are collect calls which cost ridiculous amounts if the person you're calling hasn't set up an account (around $15 for a 30 minute call). I guess you could possibly send a letter to cancel the account, but where are you going to get the address? I don't think people realize how extremely limited you are to take care of absolutely anything on the outside.
Lowca ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:12:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Student loans I'm guessing. I owe close to $100K, so if I were to go to prison for a few years, after accrued interest, they would basically be unpayable.. short of winning the lottery.
Pwnage_Peanut ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LITERALLY U N P L A Y A B L E
Lowca ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fixed.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Lowca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deferment isn't discharge though.. he still has to pay them eventually. They are MORE than happy to defer your student loans, because they still accrue interest while you aren't paying them. All you have to do is ask basically. Mine were on deferment after college while I looked for work, and that turned a $70k loan into more than $100K in just a few years. One of the worst mistakes I've made in my life.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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underthetootsierolls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:44:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is such bullshit. If that gets passed and you still can not discharge private (not federal) student loans in bankruptcy Iโm going to lose what little faith I have left in this country.
Chirp08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well clearly the solution is to commit millions of dollars in financial crimes to pay off your school loans.
underthetootsierolls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A girl can dream!
nmezib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is that you're in jail for robbing a liquor store in order to pay off student loans.
Lowca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol! probably true.
jacky4566 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just file bankruptcy and poof your clear. Your already a convict so you can kiss that credit score goodbye.
botmatrix_ ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:34:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
bankruptcy doesn't remove student loans
citrinefox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:47:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Otherwise I'd imagine most students would just declare right after graduating, since not many have great credit to begin with.
Sparowl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, one of the reasons why bankruptcy doesn't clear it is because several graduates in specific industries that can do "cash in hand" business were doing exactly that. For instance, accountants and certain types of lawyers. Finish school, declare bankruptcy, work for just cash for a few years, profit.
botmatrix_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
potentially, although bankruptcy literally destroys your credit for a decade so you'd be hard pressed to find a job or be able to get a house, car, etc
Bearded_Wildcard ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:46:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I. DECLARE. BANKRUPTCY!
botmatrix_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:47:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael you can't just say the word bankruptcy and expect anything to happen
Bearded_Wildcard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it, I declared it!
my_name_is_adolf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BANKRUPTCY.
(but really what show are we referencing)
botmatrix_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/C-m3RtoguAQ
flapface ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Office, apparently (but the crappy knock-off version, not the good one).
JimeMartinez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanted you to know that you can't just say the word bankruptcy and expect anything to happen.
Eternity_Incarnate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Raises interest
Old_man_at_heart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To my knowledge, it used to. I believe people took advantage of it specifically to clear student debt.
Edit: I'm in canada. Probably makes a difference.
Sparowl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. Mainly people in industries that could do cash only transactions.
Lowca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:50:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except that student loans don't qualify for bankruptcy. It is technically possible if you pass "the Brunner test", but you have to prove that you are; (1) unable to maintain a standard of living, (2) that your situation is unlikely to change, and (3) that you have made good faith payments up until the point of filing. Even after proof, it is still left up to the court to decide. And they may not be so willing to discharge for prison time. Especially if you have been unable to make payments due to time served.
According to an American bankruptcy Law Journal Report published in 2012, only 1% of people filing for bankruptcy have included their student loans, and of that 1% only 40% were successful in having them discharged. So it is exceedingly difficult.
jacky4566 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL. No wonder the US is so underwater. In Canada its much easier:
"If you declare bankruptcy seven or more years after the date on which you ceased to be a full or part-time student, your student loan debts will be eligible for discharge, together with your other debts.
Eligible still doesnt mean they will get discharged but its still a way higher rate than 1%.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, it's crazy to think Americans have been hiding this huge personal debt problem, someone should have said something
DarthMagnus88 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:34:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
verizon wireless wracked up an 20 months of payments on me, i sent my mom to try to cancel it but they said no he has to show up personally.
Damanzi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:55:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Verizon can literally eat my ass. Pulls out tit
ImAfraidOfSunlight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dabs to avoid seeing your tit
DarthMagnus88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha!!!! nice!
WhackIsBack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you would go into default and the bank would seize the property.
rbiqane ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You lease out your house. Or have friends or family stay there and help.
Or you break your apartment lease by showing them your court order going to prison. At least they should cut you a break in cancelling if it's not voided.
Nobody goes directly from a cop car to a prison cell for 40 years without being able to sort their lives first
tytythesoldierguy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is like literally the strategy to Monopoly.
rbiqane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I basically am the monopoly man.
I invented paying rent, and board games. Dice were my big ticket winner though
Ast3ral ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'll give you my example, i went to jail for 6 months, when i got out i had , Probation fees for 2 years at 40.00 a month, mandatory court costs of 100 dollars a month for however long it takes to pay off( my total coming out was around 3500), and finally in my case for instance i also had mandatory hair follicle test that had to be done twice a month for 8 months, those cost anywhere form 125-200 per test, if you default on any of those they send you right back to jail and charge you even more money, this coupled with the fact that like me most people find it very very hard to find a proper job when they get out and with out the support of friends and family, most people end up right back in jail or prison because the only way they can make any money at all is to go back to doing the things that got them locked up in the first place. That being said i found myself very lucky to have my family there to back me up and support me.
StabbyPants ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yup. this is why a lot of people will refuse early release with probation
SlutForGarrus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This horseshit happened to my kid brother right after he turned 18, and it was super frustrating to see them basically setting him up to fail. He had to keep a job, but the job would be pissed at how much work he missed to go see the PO or what have you, and then after a long day of work and busses all over town to get drug tests and shit, heโd have to fit in AA meetings that didnโt let out until the bus home stopped running, so heโd walk two hours and fall into bed at midnight just to do it again. (And thatโs after several months in jail without access to his depression and anxiety meds, because you have to pay to get those from the jail doc or you and your medical condition can just go spin). Heโs not doing better, really, but heโs managed to stay out of jail and the only one he hurts is himself.
Sorry, I just never realized how fucked that whole system was, and itโs brutally unfair to dumb kids whose brains literally arenโt yet wired for them to recognize the long term effects of their impulses. Rawr. Iโm glad your family was there for you. Good luck in the future.
Noble_Ox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to pay court costs and for probation in America? That's fucked.
ehaliewicz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So literally a debtor's prison?
ndpugs ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:18:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope you dont have student loans, or a car payment, or medical debt, or your lawyer fees, or court fines, or a lease on an apartment, or a storage unit, or child support, or insurance, or an Xbox live subscription you forgot to cancel, or well anything else
TheOtherCoenBrother ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any bills that are due. If you donโt have autopay setup, if you donโt have family/friends to help you out, youโre fucked
wtfpwnkthx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:57:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have legal representation you can work with them to set up payments while you are in. If you are paycheck to paycheck though you are fucked.
ichsagedir ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:49:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you pay monthly. (Or on a regular basis) insurance for example.
Seiche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
insurance you can cancel
bobdob123usa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In this state, if you cancel your car insurance, you must return your license plates. If your car is untagged, it cannot be stored in view of the public (simplified explanation).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
non taged cant be in public view is odd... hows that work for say a field car or farm car. In NY if its not on the public roads its Mad Max rules. In laws operate a small farm and the Jeep they use... yeah some countries pollute less
bobdob123usa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that is why I said simplified. There are so many rules and caveats. Most are city level, but plenty are county level. Farms generally get more leeway than land zoned residential. Public view on a farm isn't likely to be 10 feet off the public road either. These laws are mostly geared towards stopping people from keeping an untagged car in their driveway or on a public street where it rots away and reduces curb appeal.
DuggenHeim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:12:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of convicts also have to pay fines alongside their sentence in jail/prison. Those will be waiting too.
ThreeLZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely the same ones as when you went in. Just bigger.
Clankkk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well you have all the bills you had when you went, on top of any late fees!
gbtwo88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a lot of people donโt realize is that being in jail can actually cost. My brother was in a county jail and was charged $60 a day.
KilgoreTrout1984 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interest still accumulates on any unpaid student loans, might have to pay rent on a place so you don't have to worry about finding a place willing to rent to a newly released felon.
la-wolfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mortgage, gas, lights, car note, insurance, phone, internet. Basically every thing you pay for to keep living, gone.
Hokzwijn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:05:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying Monopoly jail isnt comparable to real jail? /s
makka-pakka ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:36:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I know he killed 4 people, but he rolled a double. We have to let him go"
Table- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Charges for services you cannot use as a result of being in jail should be halted tho.
Clankkk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to America! Now please deposit logic in the bin to the right before entering..
Cyborg_rat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason i had that question pop up in my head the other day and how fucked i would be.
Duchozz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude for real .
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Surely some creditors accept ' being in jail' as a reasonable excuse?
Clankkk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely not.
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But creditors want their money back they don't want a default.
Clankkk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will send it to collections and let them manage taking whatever they can as repayment.
the-real-apelord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
K
penguinipples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, obviously. Why would you ever think it would?
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
lubu9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have always questioned this my whole life. There isn't a certain permission or procedure to do anything. You just do it and life goes on.
blazeddoughnuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
found the pro monopoly player.
philmtl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happnes to child care payments?
NeurotypicalPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ever call a billing company and have them accept the charges for once?
camsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep, had my mother call the cell company to drop my line to the most basic one possible so I could afford the bills with what money I had while I was in, like basically it's just keeping the number, no texts and very limited calls(not that I was gonna be using it). luckily rent goes away when you move out and into a corrections facility. but yeah, little things can become a disaster without having someone to contact on the outside to handle things for you.
dosemyspeakin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus I've never thought of that
giveitago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prisoners who've never used a smartphone agree with you.
dancingbanana123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to your house if it's not paid off? They wouldn't just evict you... would they?
Monopolyalou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Facts
SalsaRice ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:45:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This comes up every so often at r/personalfinance . Someone gets out of jail after a few months, and their credit card bill/ rent/utilities etc went unpaid..... so now their homeless, most of their stuff is gone, and they have a huge credit card bill that keeps growing.
Oh boy, it's a sucky situation.
SnivelKnievel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:01:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My neighbor actually just recently got arrested so she didn't pay her rent. Long story short the landlords came and parked a dumpster out front and literally just trashed all of her belongings. It's really sad. She has 3 kids and won't have anything when she gets out.
Aurora43 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:45:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In America? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:09:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yup - hope you have friends and family to help out. because, unlike nordic countries, you're not well off in prison.
Aurora43 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 17:15:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison in Western and Northern Europe seems more like rehabilitation than incarceration.
mag1xs ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:16:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because they in a lot of cases are, you are supposed to be a better person coming out of prison. Not more damaged than when you went in.
superbakedgoods ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:09:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The American prison system is massively underfunded, corrupt and overcrowded. Not saying other systems around the world arenโt worse, but for a leading, global, economic power its a tragedy.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:16:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of that is because we lock people up for things which shouldn't be crimes.
lazyparrot ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't help that we have for profit prisons
Sparkybear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In reality, private prisons don't change much whether they are for profit or non-profit. Financial statements and compensation of directors, board members, etc., become public when they file a 990, but is that really beneficial?
Funkit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it is the social constructs of the country. People here think anyone who breaks the law deserves to suffer, and a good chunk of people don't question the morality of the law that was broken. "It's their fault, they deserve it." That attitude needs to change before anything happens.
truwarier14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For profit prisons are awful but donโt blame them if you broke the law.
mikecsiy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that when states and municipalities contract with private prison companies there are almost always occupancy clauses in those contracts. Which means if "Private Prison X" isn't at least Y% full there is a HUGE fee each month. The clause is typically at least 85-90%, but clauses of 95+% are not unheard of. They do this because the state pays them per prisoner incarcerated.
On top of it all the private prisons themselves often end up being the ones presenting reports to parole boards and since they are incentivized to keep their prisons full they often create absurd systems of demerits and infractions where prisoners are essentially written up for whatever infractions the company decides to invent... which go on their reports for the parole boards.
goldenmirrors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:50:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The law isnโt an objective representation of morality. Just because our government can incarcerate someone for violation of a certain law doesnโt make it just.
Plus plea bargains can be coercive.
truwarier14 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not what I was arguing at all.
You could argue that the law that you broke is unjust but that does not change the fact that breaking the law has potential consequences. If youโre willing to break it then be willing to suffer those consequences.
goldenmirrors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:45:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What youโre describing is called rational choice theory, and itโs not supported by most criminologists. Deterrence doesnโt work that way, especially when things like addiction or mental illness are part of the picture. Plus, just because there are to consequences in place doesnโt mean they need to be retributive the way corrections is in the US now.
truwarier14 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Again, you're unnecessarily bringing up points that I never argued or mentioned. Unless for-profit prisons are randomly grabbing people off the streets to fill their cells, they are not to blame for people breaking the law.
What you're talking about is a separate argument altogether and I have no idea why you're even bringing it up. There is absolutely zero reason to. Arguing about the severity of a punishment is not at all the talking point here.
goldenmirrors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was responding directly to what you said. You had said things in support of the idea that people deserve the punishment they receive because they broke the law. Iโm arguing against that, and the severity of punishment is absolutely relevant because thatโs the reality of mass incarceration in the US. For-profit prisons make money off of retributive punishment, which is a correctional model I donโt support for the reasons I mention above, among others.
truwarier14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me where I said that because I donโt recall. I said there are consequences for breaking the law. If the law mandates that someone goes to prison for a given crime then expect to go to prison for committing that crime. That does not mean that I support the punishment or feel that it is just.
Imnotawizzard ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:19:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's, like, the whole reason behind modern prison systems e why we in the Americas are so fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:07:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's really interesting is that most European prison systems are based on the early US prison system. Ours were some of the first that focussed on penance (penitentiaries were places for criminals to practice penance) and rehabilitation. Unfortunately, our system has people stay in the system their entire lives.
Imnotawizzard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:12:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Brazil, since colonial times, prison was never use as a place to recover problematic individuals. We kept the 18th century culture of that jail is the place for "storing the undesired and problematic members of society".
The difference is that, one day or another, their sentence will be over and, if you treated then like shit for years, they will get out worse than they got in.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the focus is on punishment instead of rehab. it's not a dungeon in the Middle Ages, come the fuck on.
Imnotawizzard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It might not be in the US, but in the rest of the American continent situation isn't that better in most of the facilities.
_Oomph_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, compared to the rest of the Americas, prison in the US is almost a hotel. I remember a documentary about hardened criminals from Mexico, Brazil & Columbia. They all seemed to laugh at the idea of people "suffering" in a US penitentiary compared to the ones they were serving time in currently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the same. Conjugal visits and such.
https://youtu.be/Z2-1wcJYrWA
Aurora43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dear god. I can't imagine how bad prisons must be in poverty-stricken African nations or North Korea.
mikecsiy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And we can all see how well nations with prisons that are basically free-for-all hellscapes work in regard to keeping those crime rates down.
_Oomph_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those rates mean nothing when there's more criminals outside of prison than inside it.
Woofles85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like rehabilitation is desirable for most non-violent offenders. Maybe they didn't have the economic opportunities or proper upbringing or whatever that led them to make bad choices, but can still be good people. They need education, a real chance to make it in the world.
But what about people that will never be really rehabilitated? People like child molesters and rapists and murderers. Can they ever truly rehabilitated and released safely back into the public?
Aurora43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with what you're saying. Trying to help people who are clearly lost causes will only result in wasted time and money. Incarceration and/or capital punishment are sometimes necessary.
Oftentimes, they aren't though. People get jailed for more than a decade in America because of stuff like minor drug use and unarmed burglary (these instances have to be repeated multiple times to gather those sentences though). It sucks when someone who commits murder gets less time than someone smoking marijuana. The American prison system is pretty backwards and neither party is making any effort to change it. The Republicans created the system under Reagan and the Democrats strengthened it under Clinton.
leprekon89 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's most likely because European prisons aren't privately owned and aren't trying to make the shareholders happy.
youareaturkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The criminals are probably more well adjusted people to begin with as well because they have so many social safety nets there.
Ragnrok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
America is kind of middle of the road here. In some prisons either your friends and family bring you food every day or you starve to death.
Sample_Name ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do crime?
237FIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be literally impossible. People do not have free will and they have no choice but to commit crimes. Itโs despicable that you think people could just โnot commit crime.โ
throwaway13376663432 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:37:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
shhhhhh this is reddit, we should spend lots of money rehabilitating fuckheads that don't understand you can't commit immoral acts against other people despite the majority of the population getting it.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's better than wasting money on leaving them in a room for 20 hours a day. At least rehab some of them so they can stop wasting money.
throwaway13376663432 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree with you.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a compromise for yall: train them with valuable skills, and then profit from their skills. when they are done, they can profit from their skills. I suppose that would probably lead to a trend of much longer sentences, though. I fucking hate humans.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the traditional conservative answer, and one that I agree with.
I will say, I didn't consider the possibility for increased increased sentences because legislators are getting kickbacks from the companies which own the prisons.
TheMy solution (for federal pens) is probably to have the funds generated by the prison go directly into the education budget for the local municipality. Then the municipality pays a negotiated stipend per prisoner per month with bonuses if the prison generates specific amounts of money per capita per month.dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, but how are you going to get a legislature to pass something that doesnt give them some kind of kickback? I know im just being cynical, but it does legitimately seem like there aren't enough honest people to pass something that doesn't benefit them directly just because they know how to leverage their position for money. as in, it's literally become their job.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you're right.
My hope was to sperate the money from those making the decision about sentencing.
Unfortunately that's probably a pipe dream
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was sort of my point, although I don't humans :/
expressionlessmagnet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Many prisons do this, but the problem with making money off their labor does lead to longer sentences, and it creates an incentive to arrest more people. Prisons being used as a means of making a profit inherently create a whole lot of human rights issues.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
maybe redefining the skills taught could help. like computer science. teach programming. fat salaries would be attractive to the guys in there for crimes related to being poor.
ShitSaidByReddit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think all crimes encompass "committing immoral acts against other people" (e.g. smoking marijuana)? Also, do you believe that the government should be the ultimate decision-maker over what is "moral" and what is "immoral"?
throwaway13376663432 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe normal people have this thing called a conscience. Natural law: "Do all that you have agreed to do and don't infringe on others or their property" is also a good source of right and wrong.
I am very anti-government and am satisfied without one btw.
ShitSaidByReddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in natural law as well, but then the issue arises where people disagree over what constitutes said natural laws.
theerak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to do anything against anyone to be locked up. Plenty of people are in prison for possession or ingesting illegal substances.
throwaway13376663432 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point. Doesn't change the fact that most people don't do things that get them in jail.
Astronomer_X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs the point though if the prison is being run for the purpose of filling up more and in hopes that people who leave repeat offend?
And I donโt see the point in saying โShhhโ, no one downvoted them, just because others have a differing opinion doesnโt mean theyโre not letting you have one.
throwaway13376663432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, both OP and I have been downvoted.
And actually, your comments are hidden once they get enough downvotes! There are about 10 people who downvoted and only a couple, such as yourself, actually tried to engage in a conversation.
(I don't give a shit about prison profits and I think prison is a fundamentally flawed system)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:46:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ShitSaidByReddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He also talks about how he would kill criminal with his guns in other comments he's made here. Just seems like a pathetic internet toughguy who needs to learn about empathy and perspective.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:24:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, somebody said they would kill murderers and thieves and child-rapists. Must be some toughguy!11!!!11
lol
throwaway13376663432 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:24:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I believe that criminals should make restitution to the victim directly.
I think prisons are pretty stupid in general.
Gfiti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, might as well also murder someone so you don't get back out
rbiqane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's this invention known as "bail" during which time you get everything situated.
There's also MANY sentencing structures where you report in on a certain date to the prison itself. Until then, you're free.
Many other situations allow for time served on the weekends only, which means you are free to go to work or school on the weekdays.
mcampo84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah except for the situations that we're actually talking about in this thread.
a_man_in_black ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
unless you have family that will both stand by you, and can actually afford to help you out, well, you're pretty much screwed there. gonna default on every single debt or payment you got.
kshucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BILLS MAFIA!!
fishaboveH2O ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you donโt have family just cancel them all, no need for insurance, cell phone, electricity etc in jail
Mimehunter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Debts can't just be canceled
fishaboveH2O ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah I guess if you have a mortgage you should get someone to pay that but then Iโm guessing you have a partner as well, maybe Iโm being presumptuous
jmoneycgt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of single people buy houses. It's way more cost effective in a good portion of the Midwest. The exception being some premier cities, like Chicago. And Chicago.
rillip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bankruptcy is a thing.
Mimehunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for student loans - and still a very harsh solution
AKStafford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I volunteer in a prison. Had an inmate who's wife decided she was done with him when he went to jail. She loaded up her stuff, put the keys to the house that was in his name on the counter, left the front door open and took off. When the bank foreclosed 6 months later it was trashed.
stuckinPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You give someone on the outside power of attorney. This trusted person handles your assets as best as he/she can. This person would have to decide what's in your financial best interest for you.
pm_me_ur_fat_titz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My case was different as I was still young but I was responsible for a credit card and a cell phone. Luckily I had opted for the credit protection plan not knowing what it was but the guy was convincing enough to make be get it. I had to call a friend collect who was able to then call the credit card company on 3way and I explained the issue. They gave me a 6 month hold on paying the bill but when I got out it was hard to keep up with the bill either way but still didn't have that big of a hit.
Cell phone was a bit trickier. Cingular days sucked. They gave me the hardest time about it. Eventually I got my friend to get an address so that I could write in and waste a stamp to prove I was actually in prison so that I could cut the service without a big hit.
I'm sure with utilities you could do the same. I know some leases like mine have clear language that you can't break the lease even by going to prison. Most owners would just do it but the ones who won't are fucking dicks and deserve to have a new tenant that has multiple cats with no litter boxes and shit and piss everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Power of attorney probably
cman811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine is currently locked up. He asked me to do things like cancel his car insurance, make his roommate change over the utilities into his name, turn off some automatic subscription renewals for games/services, things like that.
319Skew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was it Saul?
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you get someone on the outside to handle your affairs. Between them and your lawyer they take care of you.
mcampo84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!!!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same way I do when I'm limited to a bigger sized prison.
Twanekkel ยท 2027 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL you have to pay bills in jail
GoddammitCricket ยท 895 points ยท Posted at 18:00:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail fucks you, more than just taking away your freedom.
Even if you get 6 months in jail for something, that's rent (now you have an eviction on your record, good luck getting another apartment), car note (your car's been repo'd, good luck getting another one anytime soon), electricity, gas, cable, credit cards, car insurance, student loans, Internet, cell phone, etc....that are all now deliquent and in collections.
Not only do you owe an ungodly amount of money to half a dozen different places, your credit is completely fucked.
You wouldn't have to start over your life from zero, you'd have to start over from negative.
Khassar_de_Templari ยท 817 points ยท Posted at 20:16:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Story of my uncle:
Best friend gets pissed at uncle, tells police he's a drug dealer. Uncle is not a drug dealer, but when cops search his car they find a roach, a finished joint with marijuana crumbs in it. 6 months jail for possession. He loses his job, house, car, wife, best friend.. his credit is fucked, he can't get a new job or new house or new car.. he spirals, gets more involved with drugs and starts stealing a lot, he's homeless. He gives up one day and purposefully gets himself locked up just to get off the street, fed, warm.. 3 hots and a cot, etc. After 3 years in prison, he gets released and just does it again. 1 year prison, another 3.. he keeps doing this so he can stay in prison for shelter and food and one day he gets shot while trying to go back to prison.
6 months of jail essentially destroyed my uncle's life and got him killed. A good man, a good father, a good influence on the world before the jail time. Yes there are other contributing factors, but if you had to choose one it would be that.
bullydefender ยท 226 points ยท Posted at 22:48:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He should've killed his best friend. Then he would've been able to stay in jail for life.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:41:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or electric chaired depending on the state
ontheworld ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:31:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would've still been in jail for the rest of his life, I guess..
awesem90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:57:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol 151 upvotes. Go reddit.
Greedwell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:07:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying revenge and murder are NOT the answer? We must watch different films.
awesem90 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:13:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only watch peaceful anime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:51 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hmmmm... I'm not quite sure if your username checks out.
Axxhelairon ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:52:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so he goes to jail and his wife just leaves him? why would you marry someone that abandons you immediately at the first sign of trouble
all of his credit, house and car problems arguably could have been managed by his wife getting a job and shouldering some responsibility, or atleast the essentials
NalkaNalka ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:16:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because you never know how she will act when something really bad happens to you until the day it does.
sphinctersayhuh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:27:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. That was what popped in my head immediately from the story. 6 months for some bullshit and she abandons ship and leaves him high and dry. I don't necessarily doubt the story, but there has to be more to it.
UltimateArgentinian ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you're a liar, but how the fuck does someone get 6 months for possession of a roach? The first time I got arrested for pot I got 80 hours of community service with the court. The second time I got arrested for pot (less than a year after the first time) I got 180 hours of community service. And both those times I had way more than a roach. This wasn't recent either, this was 15+ years ago when marijuana wasn't as decriminalized as much as it is now.
If this story is true, then he would have had to have priors that would get him that kind of sentencing.
carlfense ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:30:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His uncle probably told him a story instead of the truth.
iwouldwalk499miles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:31:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ding ding ding
IAintCreativ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good answer Carl!
manormortal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:54:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a second....
TheNerdWithNoName ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 23:56:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
6 months jail for that is fucking ridiculous. Only in America, or some other shithole country, would that happen.
DarkenedBrightness ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:25:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trump says Africa is a shithole. Let's focus on making that description not apply to America
TheFilthiestCuck ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because OP isn't telling the entire story. There are literally zero states in the US where you would do any sort of time for a roach and some crumbs unless you had a significant criminal record. It sounds more to me like he was violating his parole.
EDIT
Actually - thinking about it a bit more - this is probably what happened. Shitbag Uncle already had a DUI. Shitbag Uncle proceeded to smoke a joint while driving his car, and got pulled over. The officer smelled the freshly smoked Marijuana and found the roach that he was saving for later, because Shitbag Uncle is cheap and saves roaches. That seems like a much more plausible story for jail time, which is deserved. If you habitually drink / use drugs and operate a motor vehicle, shit if you even do it once, you can go fuck yourself.
raincatchfire ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:46:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really depends how much you take and what you take. A blanket statement ignoring nuance only weakens your argument.
TheFilthiestCuck ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 06:24:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So your argument is you should be able to blow cocaine because it heightens your awareness?
That is dumb. Drugs and alochol while driving do not mix. Don't do it.
Some people are more anal then others. Personally I wont even drink a non-alcoholic beer and drive (hence I don't ever actually drink non-alcoholic beer) but to each there own. It's too fucking simple in the 21st century to get a safe ride home to tolerate someone downing 3 beers and thinking they can drive - and - if you smoke a joint like Shitbag Uncle, and then get behind the wheel - you can go fuck yourself.
raincatchfire ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:35:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have fun with that strawman, hope it was worth some of your credibility!
Here's an idea for next time. If you don't understand what someone is saying, ask them rather than making shit up and arguing against that.
NOTHING you said negates anything that I said, and at worst it makes people more likely to ignore warnings when previous warnings like yours are filled with black and white statements, poor reasoning, and misinformation. Similar to how bible thumpers drive people away from religion, misinformation drives people away from being careful when it's actually needed.
TheFilthiestCuck ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 06:39:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except it is an absolute and it isn't bible thumping. If you take a substance that detracts from your ability to operate heavy machinery / a motor vehicle - or a substance under the influence of which it is illegal to operate a motor vehicle - then do everyone else a favor and don't act like a complete douchebag and drive a car.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're applying todays standards and resonable cops. You don't know when this happened or what the cops did.
It could also have been that he had prior possesion charges for weed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had your self confidence
Being able to just make something up with zero evidence and then believe it as a fact, because you just have to be right
TheFilthiestCuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or because nobody does jail time for a roach, dumbass. If a cop is searching his car that means he was driving. If a cop is searching his car, that means the cop has probable cause to search his car.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't want to get into this argument right now
But that is highly debatable
TheFilthiestCuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not. You want to believe we live in this fantasy where police just ignore the law and do whatever they want, but 99.9999% of the time they are following the law and are extremely trustworthy people.
To search a vehicle they either need probable cause or consent from the driver. The fact is 6 months is an amount of jail time that would be associated with a 2nd or 3rd OUI in most states.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look as I said I don't really want to get into this debate right now, I'm just about to go to sleep.
Oh jeez you really aren't gonna like me saying this.
But being white and not poor realllllyy helps
Police prejudice against POC is unfortunately still very common in the united states (and other first world nations)
I'm not saying the US is some crazy police state, but there are some deep issues with the police force that are not being addressed.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:40:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
America is the best country on this planet.
joe847802 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only that were true
buddybiscuit ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 01:25:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only in America and a few other shithole countries is marijuana legal. FTFY.
Also, what do you consider Singapore? Certainly less of a shithole than Australia, that's for sure.
oneawesomeguy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana is not legal in the US, just some states and two cities. It's still federally illegal in the entire country and that could be enforced at any time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:51:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is Australia a shit hole you fucking seppy
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
House prices, ever increasing wait for public health care while at the same time increasing end user cost, the way we treat our elderly on government assistance, the way we treat our elderly in nursing homes (forcing a balloon upfront payment of over $100k and still taking 90% of any income they get), our NBN, federal/interstate roads & transport, Australia Post, importing foreign workers to work for a pittance compared to Aussies in unsafe work environments then treating them like shit, allowing for offshoring of jobs from Australian Government companies where contracts officially state that all roles are to be held in Australia, allowing foreign ownership (without a residence clause) in real estate so wealthy folks can hide their money here and jack up prices for everyone else, State and Federal government zoning restrictions to keep land prices high for usable land a reasonable distance from job centres or to make it unavailable for homes, state and federal lack of restrictions on building design and quality (because who wants the ability to have natural light and airflow in their bedroom, am I right?)
I mean I could go on, but while Australia isnโt as bad as some places, itโs not the fucking paradise people make it out to be.
harlijade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paradise compared to the majority of other countries. Also turn it up, health care here in Australia is pretty exceptional, maybe you can move to the US and see how you fare.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:17:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Health care in Australia is exceptional only in so much as we don't directly pay for most of it. If we are talking actual standard of care, standard of hospitals and general treatment, there are absolutely places that you get better.
As to the comparison to the US - having been through their health care system - It is amazing and to be honest shits all over the times I've been in hospital in Australia in terms of standard of care, facilities & responsiveness of staff ... if you've got the money to pay for it, or decent health insurance of course. (In fairness, that was a hospital in a wealthy area of California vs. one in a shitty area of Adelaide, do probably not a fair comparison)
Don't get me wrong, Australia's pretty great, but I've travelled enough to know that there are definitely better countries. We've got so much potential to really amazing but it seems like we're quietly sliding backwards in a lot of regards.
buddybiscuit ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:56:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is Singapore a shithole? It beats Australia in every category
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:14:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never said Singapore is a shit hole you retarded Trump supporting American. I asked you how my country is a shit hole and you literally answer with a question that has no relevancy to what I said...no wonder Americans are so dumb. Too busy getting shot in schools to actually learn anything
mashapotatoe1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:02:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck? You need to take a look in the mirror and ask if this is really the person you want to be. Go get some help.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I look in the mirror but all I see is myself
So im perfectly fine with trashing americans, you'll probs get shot later this week anyways by police/someone on drugs LOL
I feel so bad for you seppy's
mashapotatoe1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do say envy is the greatest form of flattery. Actually I probably wonโt get shot later this week, based on basic statistics, not that youโre smart enough to comprehend them anyways.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:31 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah, but basic statistics didnt protect those fucking poor kids did it
holy fuck.
buddybiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: look up the drug laws in Singapore. Now compare to your statement of what countries have harsh drug laws. Now realize you're a dumb fucking bogan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:49 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
tfw im not white lol
ChasTheGreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now! Not all Americans are dumb. Just a hell of a lot of them are soft-minded and angry because they listen to FoxNews.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer my unbiased news from CNN
ChasTheGreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:10 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic. Reuters or AP would be a better choice. This link is a really awesome ranking/graph of US news sources.
http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Second-Edition-News-Chart.V2.vsdx_.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:24 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's really really not awesome. lol. what a joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Biased news channels must suck...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:41:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Australia isn't a shithole. The greens party is trying their hardest to make it one though..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all parties are the same slow shit that gets nothing done, the last thing done was kevin rudd making ciggies more expensive and plain packaging, that was really good. everything else since then has been autistic at best.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have to have a serious record to get 6 months for a misdemeanor worth of drugs, a roach and crumbs? H was either a habitual offender or there's more to the story. This did not happen like this. Sorry that he died, but the life of crime after the 'roach and crumbs' is telling. I think the 'contributing factors' you left out played a major part. People come on here and exaggerate and leave out important details, making it seem like, 'oh this small transgression ruined this good person's life', America is so horrible, meanwhile anyone else with that amount of drugs got bailed out, paid their fine, and moved on with their life.
butt_sludge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This guy gets it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gal, but thanks.
GlazedDonutGloryHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know people in my town who have been busted with intent to distribute, meth possession, etc. and they have served less than two months for those convictions. I really doubt a simple roach got a "good" person six months in jail.
carlfense ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:29:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where was he that he'd do 6 months for a (presumably) first offense possession of marijuana? My guess is that you're hearing an . . . edited version of actual events.
butt_sludge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your uncle was either lying to you or left a lot out. Bond on a roach of weed would be like a few hundred dollars. If he had a job and a house and a car he'd have easily been able to afford it. When he got to court he more than likely would have been given some form of probation.
Eschatonbreakfast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First time in the system, he probably goes through diversion and it doesn't go on his record.
SammyBecker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, his apparent best friend destroyed his life. Also how the fuck does a roach get you 6 months jail, thatโs just fucked up law making.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:34:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Murica, where its perfectly acceptable to walk the streets with an assault rifle but if we find a used joint, you're fucked.
yuge33bigly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'll be the asshole.
a good man wouldn't do that shit.
mahnkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, at best he just sounds really lazy and like he didn't take personal responsibility.
SonOfWAY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a good God allow this to happen?
balsamicpeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The term is 'Institutionalised'. Very sad
KillerJupe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like our "judicial" system isn't actually designed to help anyone... the community, the victim, or the guilty.
arazamatazguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he lived in Canada he might of received a fine.
KubicZarcarbian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good old drug war. Gotta love government. :D
[deleted] ยท -150 points ยท Posted at 20:32:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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coopiecoop ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 21:03:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you can't feel sorry at all for someone whose whole life seems to have spiralled completely out of control just because he smokes marijuana? wtf?!
[deleted] ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 22:52:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dimethylmindfulness ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:00:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I'll give you the wife thing, I suppose. But do you know how long it takes for most people to own a home? This is why mortgages exist. Have you never heard of making payments on a car either? Yeah, fuck him for being friends with a guy who ended up dicking him over one day, right?
That completely explains how he lost his house, car, and best friend in 6 months.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:35:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You probably think you're cool.
I_AM_NOT_A_PHISH ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly
[deleted] ยท -91 points ยท Posted at 21:18:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Dreanimal ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 21:50:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be willing to bet you speed while you drive. You should go to prison for 6 months for it.
That is how ridiculous you sound.
[deleted] ยท -74 points ยท Posted at 22:07:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rallias ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that claim.
In the event that you are the one driver who drives perfectly within the law 100% of the time, how about this one?
6 months for DMCA violation.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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glittercatbear ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:00:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you truly, utterly, completely, never broken ANY law? Not even on accident? Hell I once walked out of a store holding an item because I received an important call and I was like right there at the entrance, then immediately turned back around and was like 'OMG I need to pay for this!' Luckily no one cared at all because it was obvious I wasn't stealing - but technically for 10 seconds I stole!
It just seems unbelievable to think you've never even failed to wear a seat belt for just a minute, you've never ridden your bicycle on the sidewalk, you've never jaywalked or accidentally parked in the wrong spot or on the wrong side of the street. Honestly I'm confused. I feel like you probably have broken at least one law, even if you don't know it.
rallias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah? You called Chic Fil A "a taste of home".
It does apply in the US.
yousaydumbthings ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 23:17:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really.
Because every action has consequences.
There are different types of speeding. If I get caught going 10 over, I get a ticket and have to pay it off. It sucks, but whatever. My insurance might go up if I get a couple, and that's money out of my pocket. If I'm well off, then it makes sense to speed.
Whereas possession of marijuana, getting caught can get you jail time.
They're different crimes with different consequences, and it doesn't make sense to compare them.
Now, if being caught with marijuana was penalized with a $500 fine, then you might have a point, but it isn't.
The argument can be made that marijuana possession charges have penalties that are far too harsh for the crime itself. Which is it's own debate. But for right now, I don't feel bad for people who get arrested on drug charges, because they chose poorly the risk vs reward game.
OP's uncle chose to smoke knowing it was illegal, and when you make that decision you need to realize the worst that could happen to you as a result. Then, take the probability and add that to the discussion.
Hunterbunter ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:26:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think all punishments perfectly fit each crime?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't think that; they're just being pedantic to make a point, which is, fair, or not, you knew the potential consequences, tough shit, I have no compassion for you.
The thing that they're conveniently ignoring is that the world is not black and white; every situation is different, and that risk analysis has more to it than simply whether or not something is legal, or not.
For example; if someone is an addict, and they choose to use marijuana rather than oxycontin for pain management, given the certainty of the consequences of drug addiction vs the probability of being caught with Marijuana, the choice to use Marijuana is arguably the correct choice.
I really love these internet tough guys like the one you responded to. They make these low effort comments banking on people who lack critical thinking skills to agree with them.
Thing is that without people willing to take the risk we wouldn't have medical marijuana, which - if it came down to it - I'm sure people like internettoughguy would gladly take advantage of if it suited their needs.
Alphafuckboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its what his mommy taught him.
yousaydumbthings ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said that. I even addressed that in my comment if you'd chosen to read it.
As it stands, there are pretty harsh penalties for marijuana and just about everyone knows that possession is a criminal sentence, so I have absolutely no pity for those who knowingly smoke or use.
Dreanimal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:33:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point was more that the penalty for having a single joint is far more excessive than it should be. I understand what you are saying, but for fucks sake its legal in a bunch of places.
I'd hardly call jail time for $5 worth a fair judgement. Which is where my point of jail time for speeding comes into play.
I understand the whole "the law is the law" argument. Its a really shitty law, and in some states its not even the law anymore.
yousaydumbthings ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I understand that, but what I'm saying and what /u/pcpower are saying is that the law is the law, and it's stupid to break the law and then complain about the consequences.
Excessive punishments for crimes are their own debate altogether.
BKachur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly the discussion that is at issue. MJ is legalized in one form or another in half the country. Getting caught with a negligible amount of marijuana should be a civil citation not jail time. If he had quanties which he could sell that would be one thing, but he didn't'.
yousaydumbthings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, but as it stands if you smoke in a state where it's illegal you're a fucking idiot and I'm not going to feel sorry for you if your stupid ass gets thrown in jail.
BKachur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have a very regressive view of illegal activities. Laws are made up by a bunch of guys in a big room, they aren't gospel and if the punishment doesn't fit the crime its just as, if not much more fucked up than breaking the law. Imagine if we threw people in jail for jaywalking, or bringing candy into a movie theatre, imagine if sharing a youtube link to a movie trailer that was unknowingly illegally uploaded got you jail time?
This sort of treatment should be outrageous to anyone with any sensibilities.
yousaydumbthings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. You're missing the point. I'm not saying marijuana laws make sense or are just, I'm saying that if you knowingly break the law, I'm not going to feel bad for you if you reap the consequences. That goes for even if there was, say, a death penalty for putting movies on youtube.
Kbost92 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:34:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Using something thatโs legal in half the country and has well-known health benefits is different from robing a store. Also, the average person breaks 6 laws per day without realizing it. Iโm sure you do something illegal. Howโs the weather up there on that high horse, douche bag?
HerrMancini ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut the fuck up.
NeshwamPoh ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:32:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're making OP's point for him... people generally don't get sent to prison for six months for minor shoplifting, either. There are degrees of punishment to fit different crimes. Six months for a joint is ludicrous.
Alphafuckboy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:36:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool so slavery was all good at the time because it was legal. And slaves shouldnt of run away because it was against the law. Rational though may not be your strong suit.
ogipogo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:56:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only you. Self righteous prick.
coopiecoop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so what?
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't like invoking Godwins law but don't you hate that Jewish people didn't let Nazis genocide them like it's illegal to resist lmao don't be an asshole, the SS are just following orders no one likes a troublemaker
/s
Itisforsexy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:33:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you can't, because you don't have the ability to think for yourself.
There are plenty of immoral laws. The laws against drugs are among them. Victimless crimes should not exist.
yousaydumbthings ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 23:12:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll ride the downvotes with you. I totally agree.
tingalayo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of those I understand, but... why wouldnโt you call and cancel the electric, gas, cable, internet, and car insurance as soon as you were sentenced? Or at the very least have your attorney do it?
ninjahumstart_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if you have autopay on the majority of your bills?
polic1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do people kill themselves when they come out often? It seems like at that point you have no chance of being normal again.
NuckFiggers420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not sure how it works in the US but you just donโt go to jail by accident nor itโs surprise for you, right. You have some time before you actually go there so I thought people can solve their shit in this period of time.
elementop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought we were still on the topic of Monopoly...
Just4TodayIthink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think all this shit would stop people from committing crimes..
Catusa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you file for bankruptcy in jail?
StinkyDogFarts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now... something something boot straps! Also yes, 36 months post repo/major auto derog before eligibility unless you did one of the fuck you in the ass opportunity loans where if you carried the note with banging down the principle you would have made $16k in payments and owe roughly 18k on a 23k unit
gamer596 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wow
tellamanduke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs almost like itโs meant to be a deterrent
SoupToPots ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:34:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I got a cheatcode for this; don't go to jail
IFinallyWokeUpHaveU ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:31:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's a good learning experience to not make stupid decisions that land you in jail, now isn't it?
XVengeanceX ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:41:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, because everybody who is in jail deserves to be there.
IFinallyWokeUpHaveU ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:43:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people fall through the cracks, but most did something willingly to get there.
And before you rebut with, "It's not fair that those people who didn't deserve have their life ruined!"
Life isn't fair.
XVengeanceX ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not an excuse.
Abolish prisons
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
American prisons are literally slavery, why are you being downvoted
IFinallyWokeUpHaveU ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:03:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL! Sounds like you have grand delusions of the world. I hope one day you experience reality for what it really is.
XVengeanceX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What part of reality? The cancer diagnosis or the nerve damage?
Cuz I'm an over achiever and I did both
SkipperInSpace ยท 1703 points ยท Posted at 17:08:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monopoly lied
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1028 points ยท Posted at 17:41:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monopoly did not lie. You were just playing it incorrectly.
When in jail in Monopoly, you are not forbidden from doing any financial stuff (trading, collecting rent, etc. )
page395 ยท 182 points ยท Posted at 18:16:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you don't have to pay anything either
lumaga ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 18:19:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are cards which collect money from other players. If another player gets that card, you still pay up.
Asraelite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:45:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cards plural? Isn't it just one Community Chest card?
lumaga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it might be just one. I haven't played the game in a long time.
Meester_Tweester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:37:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's two: "Grand Opera Night {Opening} โ Collect $50 from every player for opening night seats" and "It is your birthday - Collect $10 from each player" Community Chest cards
There is a "You have been elected Chairman of the Board โ Pay each player $50" Chance card but that's paying people, not taking money
PlanetNowhere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
community chest and chance both have those cards
HoodButNerdish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a Chance card too
Asraelite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I couldn't find that on the wiki page.
trentblase ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:11:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If someone gets the โitโs your birthdayโ chance card while you are in jail, you still have to pay them $10
MsCardeno ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:10:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt pay in jail bc youโre not moving around on the board to chance having to pay something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can still trade on anyoneโs turn.
misterspokes ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 18:36:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you still collect rent and pay out, you just don't move which makes jail the best space on the board, since you aren't rolling and theoretically people are landing on your properties.
ahappypoop ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the endgame you mean, itโs not so great early on since you need to be buying stuff.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:55:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not moving makes buying stuff harder, but if you're playing per the rules, anytime someone lands on a space and doesn't buy it, it goes up for auction. So you can still be buying property whilst locked up.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ahappypoop ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See how the seat of the car is empty? They just impounded it until you can pay $50 to get it back out, so the only difference is that now you have to walk to the auction.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Mini_True ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
your dog!
PM_ME_YOUR_PAWG_BUTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'll even take your dog! Hell, this could turn out to be a country music hit!
misterspokes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:44:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really you only need 6 properties to dominate, the orange properties and the yellow or red properties. Putting 4 houses on each limits the amount of other property improvements and prevents hotels since the rules require parallel improvements and there are only 32 houses which means once 24 houses are used, no 3 stripe of property can get a hotel. Ideally you want at least 2-3 railroads as well, but owning the properties at 6,8,9 from jail and then at least one monopoly on the turn past jail as well.
Revolvyerom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So tell me...the people who participated your last game of Monopoly...
Are you still on speaking terms?
misterspokes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:07:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
considering the last time I played monopoly I was in a jail?
ahappypoop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but that can cost much more and wonโt happen as often, especially at the beginning of the game.
issius ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:21:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck aren't you buying something you land on
PM_ME_YOUR_PAWG_BUTT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess of you re broke from the "luxury tax" plan...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck wants water works?
DimeBagJoe2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you play with people who buy everything and anything they land on
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This rule never came into play for me. The auctions never happen because everyb will buy literally every property they land on. Nobody will ever trade, either. They'd rather not have a complete colour if it means nobody else gets to either. And that's why monopoly goes on forever, even when we're playing by the real rules.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said. "You are -not- forbidden"
misterspokes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sorry wrong person responded to
greenw40 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:03:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that's probably why most people don't play with the official rules, because that's pretty stupid.
Mikevercetti ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:23:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people who bitch about monopoly taking too long or whatever other criticism they have can almost always be attributed to not playing by official rules.
rurunosep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The official rules were never designed to be fun. It was made as a capitalism simulator on a board. People play by house rules to make the game better because the game is not good. But they can only go so far with what they have to work with.
Mikevercetti ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better is subjective. I have plenty of fun playing. All my friends have plenty of fun playing. We play by official rules because we aren't retards.
But hey, if you prefer Candy Land, that's on you.
misterspokes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:12:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The entire point of the game is to teach people how capitalism is rigged against the poor, the rich get richer from any position including prison
greenw40 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:21:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad nobody wants to play "Social Commentary: the Board Game".
misterspokes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why Darrow stole it and sold it to Parker Brothers without changing the rules, only the name from The Landlord's Game to Monopoly, the game was popular
greenw40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also very popular to play with custom rules.
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And capitalists make millions off of exploitive labour practices in the sweatshops the game is made in I'd bet. Ironic.
rurunosep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You went and got all the monopoly fans butthurt. Game's trash. There are so many great board games out there that nobody tries because whenever they think of "board games" they think of Monopoly and remember all their horrible times playing it, cause it's trash.
People don't play by the official rules because following the official rules, landing in jail in the late game is the best thing that could possibly happen to you, which clealy shouldn't be the case. The game is just badly designed.
fckth3systm ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair: Jail Freeze / The Free Parking Rule / Double Go are the most common house rules. So common that all three were up for discussion to be added to the official rule book (not as official rules)
I believe some were accepted in 2014.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2014/03/25/after-80-years-monopoly-is-finally-adding-house-rules/?utm_term=.c8fcbde5f758
What gets me is the amount of people who had no idea that the auction rule even existed until a recent tweet. I wouldn't even want to play without it. No strategy and games would last hours longer. I also didn't realize people played games without having the rulebook within reach in case of a disagreement.
http://www.thisisinsider.com/monopoly-auction-rule-changes-game-2017-11
chaoticgoblin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never used the auction rule in games that I've played with friends and family strictly because no one ever passed up on buying property they landed on. It wasn't until later on that I learned not everyone actually played that way.
Edit: Words are hard.
fckth3systm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:48:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what I love about it. Planning ahead knowing I don't have to buy just buy any property you land on, but at the same time that someone else will most like end up with it. Or when someone blows too much money on a property in an auction and then lands on the property they actually wanted.
Without the auction rule it just seems like it takes well over an hour of play before anyone can even start building.
I think the other dynamic that it really adds to the game, that most people don't even consider, is that with auction - 90% of the properties that go to auction end up getting way over-paid for and evens out the money dynamic a little more.
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It also has some great strategy... I was playing with 2 other friends.
Friend #2 lands on a property he needs, but doesn't quite have the money without mortgaging. So he puts it up for auction
Friend #3 and myself also can't afford it, but fuck it, we're raising this bad boy up, and we each out bit Friend #2 until the property is nearly double the asking price. Friend #2 really needs this property to make a set, and ends up getting it at a highly inflated price and has to mortgage everything and sell some houses... It was pretty much over at that point for him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Auctions on Nintendo Monopoly are way more fun though.
greenfroggie1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My commodore 64 had monopoly that's where I learned the auction rule. Every property passed on has an auction. It's great when you play with all human co-operating people. Then you can pass on $300 and buy for $1.
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Auction rule is a must. Also never use the free parking lottery rule. That's basically turning the clock back 30 minutes on the game.
The game is based on eliminating players... I hate people who moan about the game taking so long, an then moan when you don't want the free parking house rule. That's WHY it takes so long.
If monopoly takes more than 2 hrs, you're doing it wrong.
Atsusaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, not so relevant username
TuckerMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife starts groaning the second I touch the rule book during a game. I read it before I play for the first time, and have a pretty good memory as long as itโs not novel length (looking at you, Arkham Horror), so I am usually right, and my wife and I have been no longer invited to game nights because I pulled out rulebooks, been right, the host has been playing wrong for years, and I win. It doesnโt make me popular. Anyway, point is that I have never not had to explain the auction rule to someone if I can convince them to play monopoly at all.
KiddisThyName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like that version. It basically means jail is the best place to be. 3 rounds of you not worrying about landing on other people's property while still claiming rent.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's indeed a good late game strategy. End-game is basically dodging land-mines, and what better way than to make yourself immobile for a few turns?
Flux7777 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God monopoly is a shit game
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:36:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Curious what prompted this comment.
G8kpr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:10:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's the truth, that's all.
Visit /r/boardgames to learn about the plethora of amazing games out on the market now. Monopoly is like saying "The three stooges isn't a good TV show"
"why would you say that, that's all I ever watch, is there something else to watch? I never change the channel"
Flux7777 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just get reminded of how terrible a board game monopoly is whenever people start discussing the rules. Firstly, most people don't know all the rules. They're too complex and often unintuitive. Secondly, even when people know the rules, most people change them to make the game more fun for them. The best version of the game I have played was called "boganology". I played it on holiday in Australia. It was hilarious and played much more smoothly than the original. All "properties" were cheap, and "rents" were double the cost of the properties. There were almost no cash injections. So the game ran fast and turned into a frantic rush where each dice roll from the start of the game mattered. In standard monopoly there are no game changing moments. It's always just a slow grind to the end which is why it tends to build so much tention between the people who play it.
For example, take a good boardgame. Let's use the often accepted gold standard for a board game in this genre: settlers of catan. There are opportunities for game changing trades, each person is trying to keep track of each other person's scores and cards while planning out their next turns etc etc. There is a lot happening the whole time, and although it seems complicated if you've never played it, no one changes the rules of catan to make it more fun. With monopoly you literally just sit and watch during everyone else's turn then roll the dice and make a yes/no decision based on the roll.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:00:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really the game's fault honestly. That's just a byproduct of people making incorrect assumptions and/or thinking house rules are the real rules.
The actual ruleset of Monopoly isn't that complicated. People tend to add complexity (e.g. making Free Space do more than literally nothing).
I freely admit that Settlers and other such games are leagues above, but I'd be hard-pressed to call Monopoly terrible.
crystalgecko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:38:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Monopoly is a complicated game? I don't care what anyone has until I land on a property, and then all I need to do is look to see who, if anyone, I have to pay.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Peeps get mad that I buy up all houses and then they can't get hotels because they need to buy houses first.
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not complex.
stas1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The low quality of the game
BrowncoatOfArms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what's the downside of being in jail?
Vocitate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was playing on Monopoly I loved it! I always read the rules on the beginning of the game to make sure I was playing it right! When on jail you lose so much time and money on Monopoly. I was definitely not on Heaven :/
TuckerMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt lose money in Jail. Why would you? You canโt land on someone elseโs property, and they can land on yours. Most you lose is $50. Sure getting a seven first turn and the go to jail chance card might hurt you, but later in the game? Jail is great.
Vocitate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_Sale_(The_Office)
Degenerateweeb21 ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 18:45:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You canโt collect rent in jail, look at the rules mate.
dcsohl ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:59:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bottom of page 5: https://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/00009.pdf (note the domain -- this is official!)
Frugoh ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:48:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโve been playing monopoly wrong mate!
TwinWeir ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:56:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rules say you can, mate.
futlapperl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:16:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you are used to playing it that way, doesn't mean it's an official rule. There are tons of house rules people abide by. Many of them make the game last a lot longer and a lot less fun. An example for an official rule that's often omitted is the one that states that if you land on a property and decide not to buy it, it goes up for auction and whoever bids highest acquires it.
Skidmark666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying my Get Out Of Jail card is useless?!
Workdawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monopoly didn't lie... there is just nothing you can do to have to pay bills if you are in jail in monopoly. It's not like you can land on another property.
Later in the game it's GOOD to be in jail because then you have no chance of landing on another players property...
SuperConductiveRabbi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't go by monopoly rules man, that game is nuts! No one hands out get out of jail free cards, those things cost thousands.
willvsworld ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...you don't HAVE to. You're in jail.
source: was in jail, didn't pay bills.
vdogg89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it even physically possible to pay bills from jail?
WonkyTelescope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could probably get a law firm to hold and mail checks for you each month but you'd have to pay them of course.
otis_the_drunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some jails make you pay for the privilege of being locked up.
I was in jail in AZ and they charged a dollar day. Any money you had on you when arrested is taken and put on an account you can use to buy commissary, stamps, whatnot. They just take a dollar everyday as a kind of tax.
Which seems kinda shitty but really isn't that bad. Minor inconvenience. What is shitty is that you have to wait up to two weeks before being allowed to order commissary which includes stamps and stationary. And it is another week before it gets delivered to you unless you are released in which case they give you your order with your property. Any left over funds on your account they just cut you a check.
Then they let you go, right out the front door with your check, bag of candy, and stamps. You're just a brisk 6-mile walk through the desert to the nearest gas station and if you try to hitchhike you'll be right back in that jail.
Itisforsexy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you go back to jail for hitchhiking?
otis_the_drunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because hitchhiking is illegal in some places. It isn't technically illegal in the particular area I was talking about but that never stopped the cops from arresting me for it. Can be considered panhandling or solicitation if the police decide to get creative. (I once spent a night in jail for not having license, insurance, and registration and I was on foot when they initially stopped me.) Even if the judge drops it during the initial hearing you'd still be looking at a weekend in jail if you're arrested on a Friday in a small town.
Itisforsexy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucked that cops have so much power. And if they arrest you on a bullshit charge, there are no consequences for them, I presume? And so no check on that power. Of course they'll abuse it. Most people would. Power corrupts.
I still can't wrap my head around how hitchhiking itself could be illegal. You're literally just asking people for a ride with sign language. Asking for help can be illegal? Absolutely baffling.
ShartsAndMinds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:06:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I met an ex con on another thread who told me that you get billed for being in prison.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ShartsAndMinds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, this guy told me that he actually got sent a bill after doing a bid.
somerandomgamer0 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because why would Comcast give a fuck that you're in jail?
Turdulator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to still have a place to live waiting for you when you get out, you still gotta pay rent or mortgage...... if you are going in long enough where you are ok with losing your home, you still gotta get someone on the outside to move all your stuff to storage, and then pay the monthly bill for the storage unit
Twanekkel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just give it to friends if you will be long enough in jail to lose your house, otherwise dump
DarthWeenus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have too pay to be in most jails. The bit of time I did I think was something like 23$/day.
-RashyGrillCook- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The last thing on my mind if I were ever in the joint would be bill paying.
Fuck bills.
HaHaWalaTada ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:01:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is common for guys to start hustling in jail to send money home to support the ๐ฉ and ๐ถ.
TrueJacksonVP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more common to call that ๐ฉ and ๐ถ and hope they deposit some commissary money.
HaHaWalaTada ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody has different experiences and paths. There is a lot of money to be made behind bars. Real ones know what I'm speaking on.
TrueJacksonVP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are "real ones" haha. You speak as if you know but you posed the question. My brother was in the state pen for 4 years. I'm sure there's money to be made behind bars if you have nothing else to lose/wish to risk lengthening your sentence, but I'd wager more often people are calling out asking for money than sending money home.
Kbost92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Drug trade behind bars is alive and thriving.
TrueJacksonVP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not disputing that at all.
Kbost92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Drug trade behind bars is alive and thriving.
HaHaWalaTada ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:08:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Real ones are providers who provide regardless. Sorry that is an unfamiliar situation in your life. Continue sending that money and carrying those 30 lb packages. Godspeed.
TrueJacksonVP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem a little unhinged. Good luck in life.
HaHaWalaTada ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol.
weeeeelaaaaaah ยท 706 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weirdly this is what worries me most about the idea of going to jail - who's going to pay my bills? How much would my savings + retirement cover? What things can be turned off or disconnected to save money? I've actually spent a lot more time thinking about that than what it would actually be like to be in jail.
projecks15 ยท 846 points ยท Posted at 18:36:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for a day and half and my biggest worry the entire time was my senior dog. I live alone and I know my dog was waiting for me at home
kmarielynn ยท 426 points ยท Posted at 19:16:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oof, this one hurts my heart. Iโd be inconsolable if I knew my dog was at home waiting for me to come back, and I wasnโt coming back. :(
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:32:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is something I never really thought about before. Bills? Pfft. My wife will come visit me but what about my dog? :( She'll think I left her forever.
SyntheticOne ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:39:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just call and leave a message. (does not work for cats; better to send pizza.)
MrPoopHole ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:07:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Poor lonely Seymour :(
someoneslocalbarkeep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oof, dog hurting juice?
OctagonalButthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wOof ouch owie my heart :(
Omnesquidem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:34 on April 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got a bogus DUI and my dogs were at home. That overnight was the worst form of hell worrying about them.
IggySoda ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:59:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine got a DUI while driving with his 2-3 year old rottweiler.
The arresting police said they would send someone for the dog and car, but when my friend got out the next morning and caught a ride to his car... his dog was still inside.
The dog was thirsty and hungry but fine, health wise. However, it had literally ripped everything apart inside his car. I saw the aftermath, it was kinda hilarious. The dashboard, the seats, grips on the wheel, gear shifter thingy... everything had been ripped apart and shredded. And of course at least one pile of poop.
flapface ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:16:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Poor doggo. He earned that vandalism.
Fenriss_Wolf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:04:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's clear negligence on the part of those cops.
Hope your friend at least filed a claim with your local police for the damages to his car and animal neglect. (It might be a fight getting them to pay, but while the public might not bitch about someone going to jail, tell them a dog got abandoned in a car because those same cops got lazy, and he might have gotten some sympathy and positive press attention...)
I work for animal control, and I can tell you that the cops should have called your local animal control office to get your friend's rottie off that car. The dog would have been fed and taken care of for the night, his car would have been fine, and it would have saved everyone a lot of headaches.
People with dogs go to jail, and when that happens around here, it is the police's responsibility to put that dog in protective custody until the person in jail can authorize a caretaker, or they can claim the dog back themselves. While the dog is under protective custody, it will be kept safe, fed regularly and receive vet care if needed. There may or may not be a fee involved for getting the dog back, depending on local policies and regulations, but the peace of mind of knowing the dog is safely taken care of while the owner goes through a difficult time can give a little peace of mind to everyone.
IggySoda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't file a claim. I think he just wanted to be done with that low point in his life and move on.
Fenriss_Wolf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's also an understandable and sane reaction. Too bad he ended up suck with an unnecessary repair bill, but it's a good thing he wanted to move on from there. Hope your friend is in a better situation now.
[deleted] ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kbost92 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:38:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Way to generalize there, bud.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:34:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kbost92 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:36:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or youโre just dumb. I could make sweeping generalizations about you, too, if i knew anything about you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kbost92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can find examples of regular people getting away with almost anything. Pretty obvious nothing is gonna get through to you though. I can only hope one day you need the cops and they come to help. Just be sure to tell them theyโre all shitty, corrupt people. Maybe they wonโt burden you with their help then. Sometimes I wonder... Anyway, have a nice life bro ๐
walkclothed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:55:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, cops aren't there to help. They are there to ticket and arrest (enforce the law). That is their only job. Ask a cop to help you change your tire if one blows on you on the highway sometime. Guarantee he won't. He might find something to write you a ticket for though.
Kbost92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, thatโs what I keep hearing.
tiredmommy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are misinformed. Iโve been helped plenty of times
walkclothed ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chances are you are a single female with a child...
BalouCurie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn right, man. Most cops are assholes
Deesing82 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:40:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i'd probably call someone to go take care of my dog before i'd use my phone call for a lawyer
Kbost92 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:39:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Call mom tell her to take care of dog and call lawyer. Kill two stoned birds at once, yo.
Waffle_Sama ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was almost a full day (nothing really), but the entire time my only concern was getting home to my dog. I started wondering if he'd know to just start drinking toilet water, eat through the dog food bag and just relieve himself where he needed to.
Got released after about 20 hours, went home and saw that the boy hadn't even peed anywhere... took him out immediately for the longest piss I've ever seen him take.
He's my best friend :)
Bed-Stuy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:25:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cat was with me when I got arrested and she got to go to cat jail whilst I went to people jail. Sucked pretty bad as not only was I in jail but was having to pay an boatload of money for "emergency" boarding fees.
cait_Cat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:20:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent 5 days in jail and was worried about my cats and weirdly my plants the entire time. I thought about 2 things while I was in jail-how fucking stupid I was and if my plants and cats were ok. I made my dad drive an hour every day to go check on the cats and I would call him while he was there if the phones were on to hear meows and purrs.
ApostateCat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:50:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey at least your dad would do that for you...mine absolutely wouldn't.
Hard_at_it ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:29:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I came to foster and later own my pug. Friend's appointed lawyer called asking if I could care for the dog as my bud was facing jail time.
Newrandomthrwaway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:46:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does that mean your friend is still in jail?
Hard_at_it ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:03:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lex is 6 now, we got her at ~6months. No, he served 2years of a 5year sentence.
weeeeelaaaaaah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:10:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! That would kill me! I mean, I have a cat so she would probably think it was a treat to be left alone for a few days. But it probably would be the first thing to take care of...
logictoinsanity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god I can never go to jail I mean my parents would take care of my dog and she would be okay but she gets so sad just when I go to school if I went to jail she'd be heartbroken and who would take care of my rats??? My mom is scared of them so she might feed them and change there water, maybe clean the cage if she's feeling nice but she'd never let them out theyre supposed to be out for an hour every day theyd miss me who would give Luna head rubs and let her lick their finger and who would stop buttercup from climbing ridiculous things and who would give them tiny bits of peanut butter because to much hurts their stomachs??????
.....sorry I just really love my pets
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will the police not go and grab the dog to put it in a Kennel or something? It seems like it should be their responsibility.
26326312 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they would do, I think what they meant was that their dog will be waiting for them thinking it's just like any other time and they are coming back.
ObscureCulturalMeme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of things the police are supposed to do because it's their responsibility. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to take care of dogs owned by criminals (of course you're a criminal, they wouldn't have arrested you if you weren't guilty, right?). If you get a phone call, arrange for someone actually trustworthy to see to your car and dog.
Devilment1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:09:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for six months. I had a 13 year old dog, with a tiny fatty tumor on her back. Didn't have money to fix her. My ex kept her for me and when I got out, the tumor was the size of a baseball and she was scrawny. I had to put my best friend down a month after jail
Kbost92 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:40:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt sign up for this feel trip. Iโm sorry about your doggo bro.
actuallyarobot2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he would have pulled rank and got the junior doggo to look after him.
earnedmystripes ยท 356 points ยท Posted at 17:31:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those are very practical and responsible things to think of. I was a jail officer for 6 years. Most inmates I saw had no idea how to manage those things.
Calamari_Tastes_good ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 17:43:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you manage those things? Even if you have a savings account with enough money to pay your bills (I'm guessing most people in jail don't), how do you go about making those payments while you're in jail?
earnedmystripes ยท 241 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't. You are fully reliant on outside friends or family to handle those things for you. I was always patient at the booking desk as long as someone was cooperative I would let them make a few calls and get financial or custody issues squared away. Most inmates though either didn't care about those things or didn't have any of those responsibilities since they were addicts living off of others.
Halvus_I ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can hire people too. (Lawyers, Accountants, personal assistants, etc). You can run a (legal) business from jail.
WhynotstartnoW ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:19:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can run an illegal business from jail as well. Just not legally.
phsics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, that's strange. Allowed to run a business but not allowed to pay your own bills.
you_sir_are_a_poopy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:57:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have enough money I imagine a lawyer would be able to assist you as well.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:55:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That just sounds like another bill to pay...
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:07:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
better than tons of people fucking up your credit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean a lawyer will bill you for a few hours of work, which if you're familiar with lawyers, is guaranteed 4 maybe even 5 figures in some cases.
Sirsilentbob423 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:02:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better call Saul.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if i was going away for 6 months and had no one on the outside, i'd rather pay $10,000 in lawyer fees than have my credit ruined and all my shit repo'd.
you_sir_are_a_poopy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not ideal. A trusted family member or friend should help you. I was just throwing out a last resort sort of thing. Better to blow a 1000 dollars on the lawyer then lose your apartment or keep paying for it if you're locked up for awhile.
Meetchel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs definitely not a given, especially if youโve ravaged their lives with addiction (as is the case with many inmates).
LadyJefferson ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:25:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a thing: when my husband was in jail, he had the money in his bank account to cover bills, but my name wasn't on the account and his debit card was secured in his wallet with his personal property and could not be released. If I hadn't been able to pay, we'd have lost our home and cats. Auto-correct, but we'd have probably lost the cats and the cars. Even if he'd have access to his debit card, he couldn't call someone who didn't first pay into an account to receive a phone call.
Corsair3820 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:01:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They should allow you access to all that. It's just not right
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Calamari_Tastes_good ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:12:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's so messed up. Then when you get out, your credit is fucked, you're homeless and it's really hard to find anyone who will hire you. No wonder people end up back in jail.
snow_angel022968 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The payment part is easy - just set everything to autopay now and it's not an issue (of course, you should periodically check your bank account/statements to make sure everything is being properly paid for). The harder part is most people don't have months of savings built up, let alone years, and keeping that account sufficiently funded is going to be a bigger issue.
WhynotstartnoW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If someone does have assets like a house and car, whatever sent that person to prison has a good chance of also allowing law enforcement to sieze and liquidate those assets(pretty much all drug and financial related crimes), so it's not something they're going to worry about anyway, the paying of mortgages and bills that is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that really depends on where you are. obviously america as a whole is worse than most other developed countries, but it varies a lot state by state.
absolute fucking lunacy and corruption though. i thought the court of law was supposed to dish out punishment.. often they take your shit without you even being charged.
Hayden_Hank_1994 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Auto pay?
Meetchel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:20:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Autopay only works if you have funds in your bank account to last the entire sentence. Iโd wager most people in jail donโt.
Chupachabra ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking about it shows you are responsible person, that means you are less likely not getting to jail at all. Most inmates are not that responsible and these questions are not what they are worrying about.
Calamari_Tastes_good ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The odds of me landing in jail are pretty small. I don't think I'm the target audience.
youseeit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most inmates don't have any of those things to manage.
KingKane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you get your home mail forwarded to your jail cell?
earnedmystripes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never had anyone try but I guess you could. Every piece of your mail will be opened and inspected before you get it though.
Cantdiggthis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hhhmmm I see an opportunity to create Jail Insurance.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're in jail or prison, you can't collect social security until you get out. And it doesn't stack up, you just start collecting if you're eligible. They used to pay SS benefits, but guys were getting out and going home to nice nest eggs. Uncle Sam didn't like that so they eliminated that. You also can't get ACA health care if you've had an arrest involving drugs, or been in prison.
snarkacity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never thought of any of this. I'd be so fucked. Like, you better believe AT&T doesn't give a shit if my ass is sitting in a jail cell.
Nick357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sat in a court room for a couple days as punishment. It was just a rotation of people coming in, telling the judge if they are sent away they will lose everything, repeat ad nauseam.
barktreep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ally has automated bill pay and itโs included free.
weeeeelaaaaaah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great, let me set that up in preparation for going to jail!
...or maybe I'll just try not to go to jail! ;-)
infernal_llamas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what bills would you have, not like you are using any power or water.
If it's a really long span and you rent, well just stop the rent.
If you own a house get your lawyer to mothball it.
weeeeelaaaaaah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:42:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Just stop the rent?" And what happens to your stuff? Who moves it? Where does it go? What happens to your lease agreement? How much is the penalty, and will you ever be able to rent again with that on your record?
My biggest concern would be mortgage. If I don't pay that I'm getting foreclosed, which means: my stuff getting trashed, destroying my credit, and leaving me homeless when I get out.
And you can't just shut off utilities. For one, the pipes will freeze and destroy your home. Second, there are legal and tax implications when the house is no longer occupied, which is often determined by whether there are active utilities.
Finally there's debt. You can't just stop paying student loans, car payments, credit card payments...
In short, there's a lot. I'm looking at at least 2 grand a month that I can't just "stop paying" without making things waaaay worse.
I guess if you're going away for life, you can stop caring. But your life can go seriously to shit in 6 months, going from "Yay! I'm out!" To "Holy shit, I have nothing" real quick.
infernal_llamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good points.
Honestly most of my rent experience has been fixed term or cash in hand. Which are delightfully simple.
Isn't this most of the reason for having a lawyer? Part of their job to arrange for stuff to be moved to storage / stop payments.
And student loans where you are arn't tied to earnings? Damn. If you can't pay here, you don't it just builds interest. So not ideal, but its not going to have a very big impact given the average repayment time...
Geepandjagger ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:03:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was a r/personalfinance post a few weeks ago dealing with this. The guy got locked up without bail for seven months before getting out. Said his credit rating and other things were absolutely screwed. Family couldn't help as he couldn't sort out power of attorney. Never even thought about this as an issue before
MrPureinstinct ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I had never thought about what happens to your bills and stuff if you go to jail until you said that.
Browser2025 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The bills part is why.i believe some people kill themselves while in jail for traffic tickets. You lose your job,your house/apartment,car. Basically you lose everything and you already didn't have much. There was a local young girl who killed herself in jail awaiting a judge on traffic warrants. I couldn't comprehend why until I thought logically yeah she was losing everything she had in this world. She just couldn't deal with it unfortunately.
Clankkk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alot of people can't handle the thought of completely restarting, only this time with a charge that will show up on any background check, a loss of your house, car, kids, wife/husband, etc. In a place where all you have is time, your thoughts can get the best of you.
Browser2025 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep but we gotta keep the jails filled the police and judges and corrections officers need their pensions.
StephenshouldbeKing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:53:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The very thought of company owned and for-profit prisons makes me seethe. It's simply infuriating as well as morally disgusting.
Browser2025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's pretty sickening really. But I don't think there's much we can do to stop it at this point.
Meester_Tweester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is so tragic
cujojack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:17:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aryan Nation is making eyes and my Xbox live subscription is going to lapse.
sjsto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've run into this a ton with people trying to get car insurance once they're out. Their credit usually sucks because their bills went unpaid for so long, they get surcharged for not having current insurance, and typically they live with relatives or friends, which in our state means they have to include everyone living there as drivers on their policy... Another rate bump. God forbid they were in prison for anything drug related in or near a car, cause that's another ding if it's on your record. And were already the most expensive state as it is, so you're screwed into having rates nearing $1,000 a month. And that's just 1 small facet of bills after prison!
i_want_redvelvetcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michigan?
sjsto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep!
idontfrickinknowman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Clankkk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted "Clank" ...this was the next available, I know see the error in my ways.
PiggySmalls11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeeeeah...you may wanna just start over with a new one.
JEREMIAH33RN ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked as a nurse. I thought that the main focus of patients was to get better. Sadly no. On top of not feeling good, they worry about the bills at home pilling up, especially if they were the bread winner. They worry about their wives and kids. One patient I had was having a really rough time with the sickness. He had a lot going on ๐ but his main focus was that he needed someone to get his blue check book because bills were due. Also another one was just concerned about his family making ends meet. A lot of them would start go fund me that would gather NO attention whatsoever. I would always think that this is a genuine real cause, someone is in dire need but a lot of people wouldnโt know it because you donโt know who to trust these days.
StephenshouldbeKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's honestly heartbreaking. I'm not sure if I could deal with seeing such sadness and frustration every day from who I assume are good people just going through a rough point in life.
JEREMIAH33RN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:16 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know. One guy lost everything while in the hospital. I heard he lost his trailer. For a long time no one came to see him. Then one day, two people came to see him. Not family but they worked at a Walmart where he frequented. The lady was a greeter and said that the patient was always saying hello and they just exchanged pleasantries. They said he went there everyday. Till he got really really sick and was admitted to our hospital which was 90mins away. I donโt know how they eventually found out but he had no family. I just felt sad he lost his trailer and truck due to non payment. ๐
Mapumbu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bitcoin will be worth a million when i get out
yumcake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to personal possessions when they foreclose on the home? Is all that personal stuff just going to public auction too?
I assume the pets are going to the pound to hopefully get adopted (though I'm sure a bunch get put down).
The_Mad_Hand ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:50:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
found the American!
xTugboatWilliex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
User name checks out.
airmclaren ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:59:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one not understanding what bills would need to be paid? Shut off your phone, internet, etc. Cancel trash pick up. Set the thermostat to a temperature that would keep pipes from freezing. Wouldnโt bills be minimal?
I guess this changes if you would have a family or something still living in your house...
Edit: oh yeah. The mortgage. Lol. I guess I donโt associate that with โbills.โ
Lorilyn420 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:22:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chances are you're not prepared to go to jail thus haven't been able do the things you mentioned.
whatififififif ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:49:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you probably either have a mortgage or a lease that you can't just break, so that's already a HUGE expense. If you're paying on a car, there's another. Even just paying your rent for one month without any income is out of most peoples' reach.
MountainGodofWine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just heard Dave Ramsey shouting in the distance
Clankkk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You cant do any of this from jail. You usually do not plan to go to jail. Also, its not usually thought of until youre sitting in jail with nothing but time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, it's best just NOT to go to jail, if that can be helped.
greenguyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered how you pay your bills in jail. Someone do it for you? They get frozen? Always been curious. Like bruh I need to cancel my spotify premium
Casrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens to your bank account while youโre in jail? Does it automatically close? How does that work?
Lyktan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean with โwhoโs sizing me upโ? Do you mean like โis that guy looking at me and wants to fight meโ or โwho wanna fightโ?
Mazon_Del ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A distant family friend that just got out of prison after ~15 years is having to deal with debt collectors for his student debt he incurred before going in. T_T
Fawx93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People here in Finland shouldn't criticize the justice system for not being "harsh enough". After reading trough the entire thread It must be said how happy I am of the fact that being sent to prison is very unlikely. Most of the sentences are either regular fines or paroles afaik.
I've never been in a prison but I'm sure that inmates here receive help paying their bills while inside. Prisons are meant to rehabilitate people back into society, not disable them.
steam29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing says these guys got my back like having to worry about whose going to beat me up Edit: thought I was still reading about basic training lol
gwlemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your defense attorney probably does bankruptcy.
jedledbetter ยท 9658 points ยท Posted at 14:53:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way out and I took my freedom for granted
z0rb0r ยท 2747 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had the same thought when I was busted for driving with suspended license. I was only hand cuffed to the bench and never actually got put behind bars. But I just realized that I had lost my freedom and I took it tremendously for granted.
EDIT: License was suspended due to insurance lapse. I was just irresponsible not doing anything malicious. I had to hire an attorney to drop other charges and my insurance DOUBLED and ended up paying about 500'ish/mo because I had 2 cars and NYC prices suck.
[deleted] ยท 1401 points ยท Posted at 16:41:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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munchingfoo ยท 497 points ยท Posted at 17:10:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why only latinos?
CCCXXXIII ยท 1360 points ยท Posted at 17:27:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gang shit.
no pun intended...
need4mospd ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 20:25:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rumor was that you could use it if you made the gang leader laugh at a funny joke or pun. I told him my all time favorite top 10 puns to try to get a laugh, but unfortunately no pun in ten did.
queen_oops ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:36:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see you worked the cogs of your brain on this one. Excellent work.
Adamskinater ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:08:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Band name
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:48:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go on...
PotatoQuality251 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:05:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it's an album about a toilet's monopoly
Southside_Burd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:48:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The lead single, โit hurts when I poop.โ
Non_Sane ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:28:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
whole lotta gang shit
twoLegsJimmy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:17:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Pun delivered
PowerSquat9000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boooonk gang
tallbot ยท 655 points ยท Posted at 19:58:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
latrinos
thiswastillavailable ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:18:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Mexi can.
Heisenator ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit.
yuge33bigly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
looooooool
marine-tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ that's funny.
hyper333active ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
!Redditsilver
Garbanzo12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:35 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here only to acknowledge this well executed pun. Well done
JpillsPerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lawl. Got me on that one
mattboi69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:29:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take your stinking upvote!
ScatteredCastles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With a Mexican tablecloth?
Cunhabear ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:30:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It could be to prevent prison gang problems.
roogoff ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:57:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is wrong with these people like grow up
Cunhabear ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:01:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody ever told them how, mannnnn.
YourLocalRapeFetish ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After being in a gang that long it's natural to you, it's genuinely surprising that there's other ways to be
fromthedepthsofyouma ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:03:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt ask questions but Iโm assumed it was gang related
purpledad ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:28:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Latino toilets? Only ever heard of white and non-colored.
fromthedepthsofyouma ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:12:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was odd, a dude who looked like a biker told me about the shitter situation, he was white, I stayed near him and other โoh shit I fucked upโ younger people, some dudes where like hanging out as if it were another day at the office... jail is weird. I can only image what prison and cultural dynamics are like..
frasier2122 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:15:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the Locked Up show on Netflix (I think it also airs on MSNBC). Apparently latinos often split into northern / southern Mexico affiliations, and maybe into more. Seemed like whites were by default skinheads, which is sad.
Apparently they also make a pretty strong distinction between inmates who want to play the stupid racial gang game, and others who can be in a much more relaxed general population.
Obviously this all depends on the prison, but I would imagine that the gangs structure is fairly consistent across the country.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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frasier2122 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My knowledge is entirely based off of that TV show, but it seemed like opting out of the whole gang aspect of prison is possible. The other inmates will generally respect your neutrality.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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HoodButNerdish ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:29:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does anybody on this thread realize Mexicans arenโt the only Latinos?
And I would bet a good 5 figures that a jail in the Bronx has waaayyy more Puerto Ricans than Mexicans.
Source: from the Bronx.
PM_ASS_PICS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:42:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a skinny white male I've accepted the fact that if I end up in prison I will get a stick n poke of some nazi imagery in order to save my own skin
better a swastika on my arm than a dick or shiv in my body
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ASS_PICS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's part of not wanting dicks or shivs in me
besides maybe I can talk my white brothers into like an 88 or something nordic instead of the ol' nazi stamp
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ASS_PICS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:00:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CHRIST ON A CRACKER DON'T DO THAT
Don't open your phone to read this
You have no way of knowing that I don't want you to read this alert
Well if this is gonna be the last thing you read before you die:
Horse Cum Cheese
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ASS_PICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or did you die and now i'm talking to a ghost
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Race is big in jail, the Latinos likely outnumber the others thus they can claim a toilet.
unkemp7 ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 17:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup my DUI was at 21 but also included a hit and run and possession. Being stripped down and spreading your ass cheek's because suddenly your put in the felon's section of the jail is a bit of a eye opener, I went through hell (100% deserved everything I was given) but came out clean and no felonies on my record because of the pre-trial intervention program. Just that first night in jail, I didn't call anyone I was so embarrassed and ashamed of what I did.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MotherfuckingMoose ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:03:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep and if you don't they will go in knuckle deep to see if you're hiding anything.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Wilhelm_III ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:40:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you forfeit your right to claim that when you end up in the felony section. Also the fact that it's not for sexual reasons, but for security.
Prison rape goes unprosecuted, you think sexually invasive security searches are going to be an issue?
sowetoninja ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:36:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Women should speak up about this more, them maybe society will start to care more.
5zero5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:00:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
prison rape or searches? Neither is restricted only to the female population.
Wilhelm_III ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In both the case of prison rape and sexually invasive searches it'd probably be men, since there are more men in prisons in general.
Or was that a comment on how nobody cares about mens' issues compared to womens'? I can never tell on the internet.
fromthedepthsofyouma ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They made me, you spread and cough in front of a nurse. They also take your belt and shoe laces
kd1rty ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 19:52:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they take the pull cord on your zipup or sweatshirts. I woke up to cops in my bedroom once because my mom let them in when I owed money for a fine. They brought me in in my pajamas and wouldn't let me put socks on. at jail they took the pull tie from my pajama pants and when I was handcuffed in front of the judge at court the next day my pants fell down and the guard had to pull them up for me in front of everyone. The judge laughed and said I looked like I was having a bad day. yeah, no shit.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:09:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You went to jail for a fine? Was there anything else or just an unpaid fine?
edit I've heard before that some areas do jail people for unpaid fines, which I find incredibly counter-productive. Just want to get the full story.
tacosaurusrexx ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:42:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bench warrants get issued for fines in some places. I went to jail because I did not pay the out tail light fine on my friends car, that I was driving with him as a passenger.
kd1rty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:50:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like the other kid said. I got issued a bench warrant on the day the money was due and the cops stopped by my house a few days later and my trusting mother just let them in to rush my bedroom at 7am on a Sunday of a long weekend. I had the money, so I figured I could just give it to the bondsman plus $50 to clear my warrant but they wouldn't do it and I had to sit there all weekend just to be in front of the judge for like 2 seconds since he just took the money.
Also, my license automatically got suspended, my insurance cancelled, and my plates revoked immediately. Once I got out of jail I almost went right back because I was driving on a suspended license. Instead my car got towed and the cop sent a summons in the mail. I went to the rmv and had to shit out a fuck load more money to make everything active again. Plus paying to get my car out and also even the fee for a new license since the cop destroyed it when I got pulled over. It was so freaking expensive all said and done. I didnt know some states wouldn't arrest you the day your fines are due if you haven't paid since it was so immediately such a huge deal. Massachusetts doesn't fuck around, just pay that shit. I should point out that my fine had nothing to do with a moving violation so it's not like I was going to lose my license or anything like that.
Everyone who gets a warrant has their license suspended even if the fine or crime had nothing to do with a vehicle. In fact, I know someone who never even got their permit nevermind their license and when they defaulted on a drug charge they got a suspended license so IF they ever want to get their license in the future they'll have to pay like $700 reinstatement fee for something they never had, and his crime also did not happen in or around a vehicle. Justice system keeps people down.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds terrible, sorry you had to go through that, but thank you for posting.
It's eye opening how truly backwards some states are when it comes to this sort of thing.
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:21 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmaooo where in mass?
kd1rty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worcester
Upnawf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:02 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd think Worcester police would be much cooler
madtv_fan ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:23:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin traitorous mom
SushiGato ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:20:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She never learned that snitches get stiches.
phailanx ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:36:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Drunk tank they'll take your hoodie, belt, shoes and leave you with a stainless steel bench to "sleep it off". They're somewhat obliged to give you food (always a meat pie or sausage roll. Microwaved and soggy). If you want to be a smartarse and say you're vegetarian, they'll give you a whole raw potato.
flawless_fille ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aren't raw potatoes poisonous?
nytwolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Time_on_my_hands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-1f5focusm195324-pros-and-cons-munching-raw-potatoe-2009aug05-story.html
Time_on_my_hands ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-1f5focusm195324-pros-and-cons-munching-raw-potatoe-2009aug05-story.html
flawless_fille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, TIL
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like I realize that the belt thing is to prevent hangings (right?) but honestly everyone should have an easily accessible method of dying whenever they want. The fact that it is illegal for someone who hates living so much they view death as a better alternative to seek medical help for a painless death is such a depressing thing. We are brought into the world without our consent, why should we have to ask consent from anyone before we take ourselves out of it?
PM_ME_CRISPY_TOAST ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:59:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide is generally irrational when spur of the moment. Sure it's the person's body, but it should be provented in situations where the risk is a lot higher. I would hope they would be offered help instead of given a means to end their life.
Now for issues such as assisted suicide, for medical reasons, if it's completely consentual, approved by a medial professional, and thoroughly planned out, I think thats fine.
unkemp7 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:32:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup and I was in a room with about 8 or so other soon to be or already felon's also getting naked and ready for their turn to spread and cough. It was surreal
WhynotstartnoW ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:17:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you're going through intake they make you strip down to nothing, open your mouth and they look down there with a flashlight and a tongue depressor, if you have breasts or fat flaps they make you lift them up and search beneath each of them. Then you turn around, bend over, spread your cheeks with your legs apart, and cough, if you have a vagina they'll check up there for contraband as well. Then you get to take a shower before getting your jumpsuit and sitting through a suicide prevention video with all the other new intakes and a couple deputies.
Rpizza ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah u have cavity searches
ilford_6x6 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brown eye opener
Calithin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One time for those pre-trial intervention programs. Life savers
unkemp7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:23:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yea, it was hell and they have you jump through so many hoops, I had a full time job and had to get up at like 3am every day to go in and get my program done and back to work by 8 or 9am. Plus I had to call a number every day to see if I had to piss, all while having no license and paying crazy amounts for the program for 18 months, then I had to get a breathalyzer put in my car once I was done with everything. Complete hell but I deserved every bit of it for what I did. Half way though the program they said I failed a drug test for barbiturates... 10 times in a row and every time they sent it off to the big lab it was negative but they kept trying to get me to admit I was doing something when I wasn't. I wasn't fucking around once I got into the program because it was the difference of having a life and not having one (with felonies on my record).
intaake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, what exactly did you do? What happened?
unkemp7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:56:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got drunk at my apartment, got bored ate some Xanax then wanted to go find something to do. Got in my car and just started to drive around (with more beer and pills in the car). From this point, I do not remember anything until I "woke up" as I was slamming into the center divider on the interstate in Tampa. I had come up on a construction area and I guess everyone slowed down but me, I think I had passed out I'm not really sure. But I plowed into a back of a truck that had a man and woman in it, they went head first into the divider and I spun my ass end of the car into it and shoved my passenger side rear tire up into the trunk of my car, ripped my back bumper off. So I realized I was in an accident, cars where everywhere (there were more on the road around us that stopped). I started my car back up and started to drag my car down the interstate till I got to an exit, my brakes were out so when I came off the interstate I was fishtailing and basically did a few spins in the middle of the intersection of the exit ramp trying to get home (I was really far away) and I ended up stopping in the wrong direction then kept dragging my car, awhile later a cop finds me and lights me up, I pulled over. Beer was all over me and the inside of my car then he, in great cop fashion walks up to my busted ass car and asks me "Do you know why I pulled you over tonight?" then let me know I had no bumper because I left it and my license plate that was attached to it on the interstate, at the scene. He had me get out of the car to do a field sobriety test which I could barely even walk to his car. I just leveled with him and asked if we skip the roadside show and I will blow at the station cause we both know I was too drunk to pass any test. Then they searched my car, found a Xanax in my driver's seat. So I had DUI, hit and run with bodily injury and possession of a controlled substance. I am so lucky I didn't kill anyone or severely hurt anyone, The woman in the truck went to the hospital but nobody was seriously injured (she hit her head on the window and was dizzy so they took her in to make sure. If I remember correctly.) From that point, I went to jail spread my cheeks and realized how fucking dumb and lucky at the same time I was. I was in a really bad point in my life at 21, had tons of internal issues I had never worked on and kept hidden with the drugs and alcohol till it all boiled over into one scene that involved people I had never met and would never meet again in my life, and forced them to deal with my issues. Sorry for the wall of text I'm not the best at long posts on Reddit.
Edriss90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing, everyone should learn from this lesson.
unkemp7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No problem, it happened many years ago now, but its good for me to retell the story as it reminds me of where I have been and how close I came to ending my life literally and figuratively. Possibly doing the same to others that were just out on a Friday night, maybe heading to a movie, or coming home from a dinner to pick up their kids from the babysitter. I still think about the man and woman, wonder how they are. I could have killed either of them or both of them. All because I couldn't talk to somebody and would rather drink and drug. So yea if anyone feels they have things inside them they cant tell anyone, don't let it eat you up. Talk about it, even if it's not to a doctor, psychiatrist or therapist. Just getting it out can help tons.
StiffWood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opened more than your eyes indeed.
TheSingleLocus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:49:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was it referred to as the "Latrino"?
sarah-xxx ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:08:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll never last there with my shy bladder..."
browniepoobear ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Knew a guy who had a shy bladder. Every time we were at a bar/club and there were people in the restroom he would have to turn on a sink and let his hands get wet before he could go.
duckeater917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
me neither. I can't even pee in the office bathroom if someone else is in there. Ugh that would suckkkk.
catjugglinpimp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:37:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would have told those Latin fellows "step aside chaps, i have dumping to do". then the whole train would have broken into a standing applauds
wolf_and_blade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out.
Warrior5108 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have a court date for agervated dui at 19 right now.
Honestly im not scared of a small sentence. just my anxiety is saying theyโll put me in for 30 years although I have no reason to believe it will anything but only at most a short sentence.
whatififififif ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:52:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not necessarily that jail is scary, so much as that jail is really fucking shitty.
Warrior5108 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True. Honestly what bothers me is I just donโt wanna be separated from family.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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StephenshouldbeKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty much the same as aggravated the difference being they add agervated when you take the arresting officers mom out to a nice seafood dinner and then never call her again.
wolf_and_blade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still laughing about this.
Agervated. I mean what the hell.
fromthedepthsofyouma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I plead guilty, had my sentence moved to Connecticut where I live, 500 hr. community service, DUI school, suspended licences for 3 months
it pays to pay for a lawyer...
Robot-breath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, โthe boatโ
Panicradar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eyyy fellow Bronx brother (Iโm not saying Bronxite). Rare to see you here. Unless youโre not from the Bronx in which case this is awkward.
fromthedepthsofyouma ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:25:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'm from CT, was wasted, trying to get home late night by avoiding tolls out of Manhattan, I tried to go over the Macombs Dam Bridge (b/c I know the area being a Yankee fan) and took a wrong turn.
It's cool, I'll admit I stop at Hunts Point White Castle any time I visit my sister in Queens.
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bronx Supreme in the house
LoPriore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been there in central bookings. I took a shit tho. Didn't care. There was one guy passed out under the benches that line the bullpen and there were roaches crawling all over him. THAT guy REALLY didn't give a shit. Besides being gross the worst thing I experienced was 3rd day some guy was going thru heroine withdrawals and moaning non stop.
RaiseHellPraiseDale3 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:08:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gets handcuffed to a bench for a short amount of time. Has an epiphany about freedom. I love it.
UnderwaterDude ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Curious, was your charge aggravated?
I was caught driving on a suspended back in August. Long story short, I got in a fender bender last year at this time and didnโt have insurance - literally the only time in my life I didnโt have insurance; switching insurance companies and fucked up my dates. Anyways, completely my fault and I ate the consequences with no complaints. Part of it was having SR-22 insurance for 3 years.
So I swapped my insurance out and get SR-22 insurance. At least I thought I did. Insurance company doesnโt report this to the state and my license is suspended. I live in a state that does not notify you if shit like this happens. You are expected to be on top of these things.
So Iโm took my family to Chicago for a Cubs game in August and on the way home we got off the interstate for some drive thru action and I donโt use a turn signal at one point and was immediately pulled over. Imagine my shock to learn that my license is suspended.
Iโm ticketed for no turn signal and driving on a suspended and informed my girlfriend needs to drive. It was explained to me that if this was the result of a suspended license that was the result of a DUI, I would be cuffed and taken to county without hesitation.
I went back there for court last week and went armed. I showed the judge and state all the payments Iโd made to my insurance carrier at the time, which showed that I was paid up until November. I also showed them printed out pictures of screen shots I had regarding a conversation I had online with an agent of said insurance company where they half admitted that I may have had SR-22 insurance and they didnโt report it.
Judge said he was ready to dismiss both charges and asked the state if they had any argument against. The lady with the state conceded that this seemed like a large misunderstanding and that it appeared I did everything I reasonably could to be within compliance.
Charges dismissed, probably saved me about a grand.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think so. I was nailed for suspended license and registration too. All I did was make a left in an empty parking lot. This happened because I had a lapse in my insurance.
I ended up paying an attorney about 2k to drop the charges and had my insurance doubled for 2 cars for several years. It probably costed me $8k in total.
29100610478021 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:57:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, handcuffed over a license suspension? Any priors?
Just curious. Seems outrageous to me as a Canadian.
Lorilyn420 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:07:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me too. I was pulled over and didn't know my license was suspended. I got a ticket a year or so prior for not wearing a seat belt in the passenger seat in the front. I honestly forgot about the ticket. Got pulled over for going thru a yellow/ red and was told I had a warrant. Got handcuffed, went thru intake and put in a cell while I waited for my daughter to get off work to come bail me out. I was the only person in that small city jail. My daughter loves the story about how she got to get her mom out of jail. Edit this was in Michigan and no priors
StephenshouldbeKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the impression the driver of the vehicle got the ticket if any passengers in his or her vehicle weren't wearing their seatbelts?
Lorilyn420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you're an adult. At least here.
Zmodem ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:55:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you knowinlgy drive with it suspended, it's even worse. So, when the officer asks "Were you aware that your license is suspended?" and you say "Yea, but...", well you just admitted, so you knowingly drove on a suspended. That takes an infraction to a misdemeanor, at least here in California, pretty quickly.
sarcasm_hurts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the state. In my state you get three times being stopped with a suspended license "free" (just a ticket) before you get the ride downtown.
Jennilea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me for a suspension for an unpaid traffic ticket. I got pulled for speeding, they handcuffed me and took me to the town court at 3am. Lucky for me the judge was more pissed at the trooper for getting him out of bed in the middle of the night, so I was ROR instead of going to the jail.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clean record other than a speeding ticket in the past though the registration of my vehicle was suspended at the time due to the same reason. Lapse in insurance. This is New York state by the way.
Jacobcvm2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
license is currently suspended, this kinda scares me. How did you get caught?
thebestguy2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hey, Iโve had my license suspended a few times. first off, obviously youโre not supposed to drive without a license. but what if youโve got a job, or live in the middle of nowhere? we do what we have to do. but if your license is suspended because of an unpaid ticket, or you didnโt show up for court, then you may have a warrant out for your arrest. a cop wonโt know that just by driving by, but if you ever get pulled over, itโs almost a guarantee youโll be arrested. honestly, Iโve been arrested over this sort of thing 2 times, and itโs safer to just not drive for a while, and just pay your ticket(s) off. good luck!
z0rb0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I worked overnight cleaning restaurants and made a left turn inside an empty parking lot because it was a large detour. Cop saw it and decided to pull me over.
My license was suspended from a lapse in insurance(money was tight) and my registration also was suspended for the same reason. I drove for a living so it was hard to not drive and not make a living.
My advice to you if your license is suspended is don't drive unless you absolutely have to and if you do. Make sure you drive like it's your road test. Absolutely no speeding, always signal and never go above the speed limit. Basically drive like a saint because a lot of times the police will pull you over and you get nailed from previous charges.
Modmypad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love seeing epiphanies like this, makes me feel good people are more careful with their decisions
z0rb0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely, if anything it made me more responsible with my car insurance payments! It was suspended for the lapse in car insurance.
Klashus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They sent you to jail for that? That's crazy. I got 4 and they didn't even tow my car. Guess it's pretty different state to state.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is New York btw.
My registration was also suspended so they also impounded my work vehicle and left me and my crew stranded that night.
Zombie46 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I once went to an escape room where my group started in a prison cell and they asked us who's the smartest and everyone pointed to me (humblebrag, I know, not the point of the story sorry) and then they said they'd handcuff me to a bar where I can't get away unless they find the key while the other 4 could get out of the bar with some trick. I first said yeah sure, no problem but as soon as I was handcuffed (and they were proper cuffs, not toy ones) to the bar my heart started racing. I knew I could always call for help and be released but just that feeling of not being able to move away, jesus fuck that was scary. Of course I had to play it cool but I was pushing the other so hard to please find the key fast :D
z0rb0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YES exactly. Now imagine being cuffed in a police station. I'd say it took less than 10 seconds before the thought of dread quickly fills your head.
ejramos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got arrested for evading police when I was 19. Iโve never done a drug in my life. Had never been drunk or partied. I worked and went straight home everyday.
I was so pissed that I was in jail for the night that the next day I went and talked to a recruiter. Shipped out as soon as the charges were resolved and Iโve been in for almost 10 years. Completely changed my life that night.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? After that feeling of losing your freedom I was a changed man after that day.
ejramos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt even think it was losing my freedom. It was that I was grouped in with petty criminals and people who I never would associate myself with. I sat in a cell with like 30 people for the night. I couldnโt relate to a single one of them.
GeneralMajorDickbutt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dealing with suspended license charge right now.. howโd you make your way back into good standing with the DMV?
jerizer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
not OP but, you will need to pay the ticket that you ignored that got your license suspended, then have that district court fax proof of this to the DMV you are trying to get reinstated at.
If you didn't get a susp. license for ignoring a ticket, then I don't know.
GeneralMajorDickbutt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:04:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I guess I shouldnโt be seeking advice on reddit. My case is super complicated (shrug)
Lorilyn420 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cash
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. (attorneys)
SeriousBA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You need to pay the original fine you ignored, which is likely a larger fine than what is was originally. The court will relay this information to the DMV. You may then pay a fee to have your license reinstated and then you may need to retake a written drivers test.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hired an attorney and she got some deal with the DA and dropped the charges down to "driving on sidewalk". Paid some fines and never saw any time. But spent a fuckton on car insurance since they doubled my insurance. Ended up paying about 500/mo due to 2 vehicles for several years.
My driving record also became flawless after that incident and my insurance rates became normal again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was definitely an eye opening experience as I feel like I've grown wiser. I would say it made me make better choices in the future.
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had the same experience of the paddywagon and handcuffs for a fake ID, but I just thought of it as a cool story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember getting arrested and being put in a cell for an hour for smoking a joint in the street. That shit sucked and I never want to experience that again.
pen15es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I just had the same happen to me but was never handcuffed. I was technically done with my suspension but I didn't realize I had to meet with some government agency about my driving before I was reinstated. So now my truck is in impound for 30 days which will cost me $1300 on top of the fact that I'm looking for a job in an oil town that almost always requires a valid licence. How did you deal with all the shit they throw at you? I feel like I'm pretty much fucked simply because I didn't read the bottom part of the suspension letter.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel ya. I was busted because well 90% of the job was driving and I can't not work... I only got my license suspended because money was tight and I had an insurance lapse. I was also irresponsible at the time.
imnotanevilwitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got pulled over for running a stop sign and was handcuffed for it. Funnily enough I was driving right past a police station, but it was late and I was trying not to take excessively long to get to the dick that was waiting for me. The handcuffs were too tight and when I asked them if they could loosen them I was immediately dunked, awash in how dehumanizing it was to the brink of tears. And that's even though they did remove the cuffs when I asked. Because, tits, apparently. That experience was nicer overall than I know most people endure when dealing with police but never having meaningfully interacted with them before... police culture is bad and wrong. And they don't interact with people as if they're humans. Even if they are nice enough to loosen the handcuffs you didn't fucking need anyway.
Gus_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So this is kind of a weird thought and definitely a "first world" type of idea but I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for a grown adult to lose their freedom for a bit of time. Bear with me. Children have their freedom infringed upon all the time and it's the best thing for them in a ton of cases. Adults however, specifically in modern western societies have limitless freedom and as a result, that freedom constantly gets taken for granted. A little time where it's not a game and you're literally locked up really puts in perspective what freedom is and what you can and should do with it. It's also a really hard and fast physical experience that you need to get through and overcome and can sometimes make you harder and stronger in a good way on the other side.
I've never really been truly locked up but did spend essentially a whole day in a jail cell (and was on the verge of being kept there for longer) for a dumb stunt in college and it definitely made me mentally tougher (plus the punishment worked).
Weird idea but it's kind of interesting to think about.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes absolutely. I actually would recommend everyone to get locked up at least once and of course briefly. It'll make your grow stronger mentally.
rtarplee ยท 1231 points ยท Posted at 18:00:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the biggest epiphany i had while in jail for my last time: I'm bored out of my mind, don't know what time it is, have no idea where we stand as far as my lawyer and bail bondsman goes or when I'm gonna get out.. and while all this is going through my head i overhear other jailmates talking amongst themselves. "can't wait to get to county, get some money on my commissary and some better food than this shit"
"yeah man, (insert county lockup) is good, cheap sodas from the vending machines and lots of easy trustee work".
my dudes, i cannot wait to get the fuck outta here, brush my teeth and curl up on my couch with my PlayStation controller for a couple hours. fuck this. some people are just ok going back to jail. i am not.
kilogttam ยท 473 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what got to me; WHY ARE YOU ALL SO CONTENT??
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 457 points ยท Posted at 19:20:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the life they have outside of prison is worse, with little to no real way of getting better?
A lot of people who end up in prison come from violence, abuse and neglect. So imagine, they finally have somewhere they can go where they're never hungry, cold and wont get hurt unless they're stupid or really unlucky. Prison probably seems like heaven compared to where they come from "in the real world".
Vid-Master ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:37:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a story of a lady in womens prison, she commited crimes to survive and then made friends and grew into the life in prison
When they forced her to leave the prison, she put a brick through the stained glass window of the church across the street with a full congregation inside
kilogttam ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True enough but I've seen people I know personally become institutionalized that have a normal background and even family (wife/girlfriend and kids) and a real place to stay waiting for them on the outside.
DLTMIAR ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:49:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never been, but I've heard prison life is pretty structured. Some are just natural born followers
dexmonic ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:56:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's part of it, sure, but I think more it is the dehumanizing aspect. When in prison, you have literally no freedom - something required in human nature. Prison breaks you down, sometimes with pain and violence, sometimes with extreme lengths of boredom, sometimes by the structure itself. It's not just the guards who set the schedule and routines. Other prisoners who enjoy violence and the power or brings them have no hesitation using those things to get what they want. What they want could very badly fuck up a random person's day, life, or entire sentence.
After years of that, how can you go back to a normal regular life?
DLTMIAR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:09:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, ideally you would get reformed in prison and be a better person when you get out, but we live in a shitty society
miauw62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's much more profitable to keep them coming back, after all.
bestattemptataname ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:33:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to throw in my two cents, I'm a cop and I think that for some people the whole process is just normal. Some of the best conversations I've ever had were with career criminals (a legal term in my city) who were sitting in the back of my car and would be going to jail for some time. Some of my worst experiences have been with people who would be out of jail before the sun rose the next day.
kilogttam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It becomes normal sure, nobody is chill about getting arrested or going to jail the first time.
bestattemptataname ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:56:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point I was making. It's normal for the people who have been through it a lot.
kilogttam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I wasnt sure, at first I thought you were saying some people are just that way naturally.
bestattemptataname ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Nobody is chill about going to jail naturally. I know what to expect and I can guarantee that I would be a ball of nerves if I ever had to go.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:24:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised. I remember being in class when I was like 15, I'd had myself moved to bottom English to be with my friend and the class was full of kids who could barely read, and spent their nights getting drunk in the park.
I over heard them a couple of times talking about what they're going to do after school (like, when they turn 16 and leave schooling) and at least a couple of them said they'd "probably go to prison for a bit, get it out of the way early"
It wasn't just something they expected, it was something they were planning. Many of these kids had already been in trouble with the police or came from families where police visits were the norm.
Rivkariver ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:00:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think itโs heaven to anyone.
Nagi21 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:40:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Different strokes.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you've spend enough time thinking about how truly hellish some peoples lives are.
desmarais ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:15:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
have bad news for you if you think it's never cold or you never get hungry in jail.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:25:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm under no illusion itโs a paradise, but considering for some people the alternative is literal starvation and sleeping on the street, prison is still a step up. In first world countries, at least.
And obviously, like people have pointed out, some people still wouldnโt want to give up their โfreedomโ for that, but there are many people who would, and do.
snoos_antenna ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 00:38:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Homeless shelters exist.
printmyplastic ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you've never tried to get into a homeless shelter as an adult male. Some places have months long wait lists, and you have to call them every week in order to keep your spot on the list.
sowetoninja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:34:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where I'm from they just say that young males aren;t allowed in the shelters at all, you don;t even have to ask.
spiderlanewales ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:46:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Homeless shelters fill up. We'll call you if there's a bed open. You don't have a phone? Well, uh, you can check back with us in two weeks...somehow.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, what about when they're full? Because they usually are.
otherdaniel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn.
PythonistaTortilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:19:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it super unlucky to get hurt in prison? I only really know about them from American movies and TV shows which is of course dramatised but the impression I got was that you can keep your head down and it's not that unlikely you'll get roped into trouble against your will.
I'm from Scotland but know less about the prisons here than American ones...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Media/news = man bites dog. Reality = dog bites man.
Susim-the-Housecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from the UK too (england) but a handful of my family members have been to prison and none of them were ever hurt (physically at least, and beyond a couple of even fights). Most of them just complained of boredom. Even the people that were in for violent crimes, so were in higher security, were fine.
Vlad_Yemerashev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:31 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
American here. It's not just getting unlucky by being on the bad side of an inmate. It's also the fact that healthcare in prison is so bad in many cases, that a minor or moderate aliment can become fatal. You have prison guards and nurses that do the minimum required of them to take care of the inmates. Imagine an infection not getting treated when it should have been treated, an inmate getting sicker and sicker with little to no treatment or medication given, etc. That kind of thing.
Uncle_Burney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to think about how often this could be the case just caused me to shudder
PandaSquuadd ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:27:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people will have a worse life outside of prison after they go in for the first time. With no family to support you and no more house anymore what can you really do. Canโt get a job without an address and having a criminal record on top of that. And you donโt have a car anymore because the banks took it to pay your bills so hopefully you live somewhere with good public transit. Except you have no money to pay for that transit. And then on top of that thereโs the eating problem because you donโt have money and you canโt get a job. Yeah might as well get thrown back in to the place where as long as you donโt start shit youโll have a free bed, free meals, food above your head. Sure you have limited freedom but you need money in the real world to have any freedom.
Edit: And no one will want to change this situation is the real problem in America. Lawful people are just happy to see the bad man go away. Prisons wonโt want to help the prisoners because if they can send them out and bring them back a week later itโs just more time to profit off them. And the Prisoners that havenโt given up and do care donโt have any power to do anything about it.
patientbearr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:19:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The free food is nice but that's a pretty unorthodox way to serve it!
shill_account54 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:08:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative is accepting you have absolutely no control over your life and I would imagine most people can't mentally handle that.
Rpizza ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they probably had or will continue to have horrible lives
CHlMlCHANGAS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3 hots and a cot.
vikkivinegar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's like, when you know you're going to have to do some time, you either freak out, feel trapped, hopeless/helpless, miserable, etc. OR you can take stock of the situation at hand. Realize you can't do anything about it (unless you actually can, but after sentencing most people are just stuck there) and try to get some acceptance in your life. For me, it took a few weeks to get right in my mind. If you know you're going to be in there for a year, but know that eventually you'll be transferred somewhere with better food or facilities that gives you something to look forward to. Sometimes that can make the difference between suicide and holding out for a fucking hot meal. There are a few who probably do actually feel relieved when they go to jail, but in my experience, most people just try to make the best out of a situation they can't change and they have no control over. The only other option (as long as you're already locked up) is misery.
KilgoreTrout1984 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because accepting the reality of your situation and making the best of it is how some people deal with it.
Up__Top ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes jail is an upgrade from your fucked up life.
TheInternetShill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you canโt change your situation, contentment is the best feeling to have.
Prondox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's better to just look at the bright side if you are going to jail for a large period of time. If they sentence you to 5 years in jail you sitting in yoru cell crying for 5 years won't make it easier.
PM_ME_BUD_SHOTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like people showing up to a 9 to 5 everyday. It's one thing to be grateful for what you have, it's another to be content and settle.
infernal_llamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Institutionalization. If it's for profit it's pretty much in the prison's interest to make inmates reliant on the system and hard to get out of without committing crimes and ending back in the prison.
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs all they know, there is nothing for them outside and jail provides stability thus they make the most of it and know everything.
tightpantsx09 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:18:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds really close to how I felt when I got my DUI
I remember talking about Destiny and other games that had recently come out with a kid close to my age. I felt like I could relate to him and connect.
Then later that night the kid gets caught with a piece of a plastic fork heโd sharpened and he tried to stab someone with.
I stopped talking completely and worked on never getting in trouble again
bsbbtnh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in prison (in Canada), the food we could buy was generally cheaper than the food at the store, since everything only had a 10% mark up.
HateTheKardashians ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent 1 night in jail when I was 18 for a marijuana pipe. I made friends with a guy with his entire face and body tatted, his name was "snake".
They all talked about going to county or wherever the hell they've been before as if it was summer camp. The guy did let me borrow his car magazine for the night. Two black guys smoking sherm came in around 2am who were pepper sprayed. Once scratched his balls and they started to burn, the screaming started. He got naked and showered in front of everyone in what had to be a 45 degree Fahrenheit holding cell.
dangerkitty3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt those guys didn't want to go home. Truth is that county is a lot better than sitting in a city jail. If you know for a fact that you're going to be locked up for a period of time, you're looking forward to the next best thing. They're being realistic. They're not going home any time soon, but hopefully they'll get transferred to a better spot soon.
captainjon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does trustee work happen? I was serving on a jury and got sick of the cafe so I walked across the street to a burger joint all the lawyers go to and as Iโm walking I see a prisoner in a jumpsuit sweeping the driveway. What appeared to be unsupervised. Just surprised me. I take it some prisoners can be trusted, but that seemed like a lot of trust.
Drunk_camel_jockey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was a guy in jail in for minor offence. Like a month of jail and 11/29 probation. When I met him he told me he was there all ready for six months. I asked him why didn't he do his month and get out? He told me he likes jail and he could still smoke pot while in jail but not on probation.
Well buddy I guess your in the right place then. Plus I think a part of it was his dad and his brother where also in the pod with him.
mrskontz14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest thing that bothered me when I was in overnight once was that I had no idea what time it was, how long Iโd been there, or how long it would still be until anything happened. And also, like your experience, the other people in with me (3 Latina ladies) were all just casually talking, then said goodnight to each other and just went to sleep, no biggie, meanwhile Iโm freaking tf out all night.
usertaken_BS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This would fuck with me big time. We donโt have any prisons close by but drove past one on a road trip. For literally an hour I was blown away by the thought that there are people in there who have or will be there for the rest of their life (or even 10-20 years). They have no idea a Walmart was built two blocks away, or a new building was put up, or a mall etc. the last time they saw the actual area was when they got transported, and the rest of their existence is that cell.
I could not wrap my head around this and was at that moment I realized Iโd probably go insane in jail. I wouldnโt be able to handle the thought of the world changing around me and this is my new existence.
IchTuDirWeh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember staring out the window above my bunk and absolutely yearning for freedom. And I was only there a few days tho I thought I would be there at least a month. That's a feeling I had never felt before. Just wanting to see my family again and thinking how much I took for granted.
Whitemochaforvanessa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This right here is why I eat ice cream whenever the fuck I want.
RolandLovecraft ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jeezus. This would win one of those one sentence horror stories.
Johnny_Apple_Dick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats how i felt. I wasn't a criminal, only ever been in trouble for pot. But when I got put in for a month, just that feeling of, oh. This is what it getting your freedom taken away means, and I'm powerless to do anything about it, made me change my entire life around.
Imsomehowrelated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same same same. First time in my life that no matter what I wanted to do or tried to do I couldnโt leave that room.
jedledbetter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a terrible feeling
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never been arrested, but I'm curious of what you did with your "freedom" (such as it was) afterwards, and what you'd recommend someone like me do with theirs?
jedledbetter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the beautiful thing about freedom, you can do what you want. I would recommend doing something you enjoy, regardless of what others may think.
rbiqane ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lies.
Clint Eastwood found a way out. Just build a dummy to look like yourself and hide it under the covers.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jedledbetter ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:03:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you have been in jail
Lorilyn420 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:14:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right and where are all these escapees? Too many movies lol
hungryColumbite ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:51:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They make news like... twice a year when they get out for a few hours. Compared to how many regular prisoners.
darkknightxda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously all the escapees weren't here because they escaped
Lorilyn420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it
Staypuft1289 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:55:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to Andy Dufrane.
scorchermacfay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The real homie!
WinstonCup28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Dufrane if you please
oldoaktable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*Dufresne...
ZombieAlpacaLips ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your best chance of escape is probably when you're in the process of being arrested.
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 2818 points ยท Posted at 15:09:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail, not prison.
This sucks
Oh the people are a lot nicer than I thought
This is gonna be boring
Food sucks
I have to shit in front of everyone
This sucks
That was jail for a month in a large pod (about 30 people on bunk beds in a large open dorm with 2 tiers, no cells just big dorm) It was life, some people were ass holes but most were OK. Just trying to pass the time while doing their time. Played chess, worked out, did some writing. The books were all like middle school level though and very uninteresting.
CullenBrohannon ยท 986 points ยท Posted at 17:31:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My experience exactly. Scared little 21 y/o me was shitting bricks as I carried my little tub of underwear and toothbrush etc. down the hall to the pod. Put on a stoic face and marched right to my bunk, set myself up and realized that this was gonna be boring as fuck and nobody was gonna fuck with me.
SillyFlyGuy ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 22:18:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky. You got a bunk and underwear. The lovely guards would make fun of us sleeping on the floor. I knew better than to say aloud "there are 18 beds and you have 41 of us in here. I counted both."
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, what country did you go to prison?
frylord ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 03:14:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Texas....It's like a whole other country!
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:33:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Crap. Being a Brit, I don't know much about the USA, but I always knew they could be quite inhumane. I never expected them to mistreat prisoners that badly, holy fuck! I'm so sorry you had to live through that.
frylord ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, didn't mean to mislead. I was not OP, just making social commentary. I don't have first hand experience but there are some pretty shitty prisons here. I know Texas has some with no AC, and Texas gets f-ing hot
DimitriRaskalov ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:01:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly as long as its somewhat ventilated i dont mind them having no AC...i didnt get AC until i moved out from my parents house at 20ish and we get week long 45C with 100% humidity here...sucks but its not inhumane.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Arizona they dream about going to jail in Texas.
TitaniumBowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maricopa County baby! Lots and lots of big brick buildings with security fences all around.
seymour1 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:15:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Joe Arpaio and what he did in Arizona prisons that he gleefully referred to as "concentration camps".
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't already, you should watch the documentary 13th, it ties into the theme of this thread very well.
evil_leaper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:05 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's because this is a land built on the principles of capitalism, therefore prisons should be for-profit institutions. For the record many of us don't agree with that sentiment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:48 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, most places are built on capitalism. It seems the USA takes that a bit further. My condolences to those who are screwed by that system.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:35 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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evil_leaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:29 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking more about their desire to overcrowd prisons by sentencing as many people as possible to increase their bottom line. I'm aware that we have better conditions in our prisons than some countries, but the U.S. also has a higher ratio of prisoners per capita than any other country in the world.
dam1985 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inhumane..... ha
SillyFlyGuy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The good ole US of A. It was county lock up, a big drunk tank. It was over a 3 day weekend. Most everyone I talked to, myself included, just got drunk and did varying degrees of stupidity.
Judges don't work holidays around here so most of us were waiting for them to get through the backlog and let us out on bail. Except one kid, a guy told me he was 18 years old and waiting for the transport bus to take him to serve 18 years in state prison. I gave him plenty of room.
This is a progressive west coast state, in an upper middle class county. I shudder to think what conditions are like in less affluent areas.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now that this is the actual OP, I shall say that I am so sorry you had to live in that shithole, even if it was only for a short time. As a Brit, I always knew that the USA could be a bit OTT, and sometimes downright inhumane, but I never knew they'd go as far to cram 41 prisoners into a cell with 18 beds.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:43:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody else read, "and nobody was gonna fuck me." ? I loled then was disappointed when I read it a 2nd time.
sirlost ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:22:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, jail is mostly just boring. I either read, sat and watched TV that was too quiet or played chess.
IsaacEiland-Hall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, let's play chess.
zookszooks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is available for entertainment?
No PC I bet? No tablet?
SassyTheSasquatch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Books and puzzles if you're lucky
chokingv1ct1m ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A jail I was in recently (for work) had 2 big rows of tablets charging on the wall in a pod I went into. Donโt know what they did with them. Probably played games or read or something.
Turdulator ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:39:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for about 20 hours overnight, and the only person who wasnโt nice or at least respectful enough to talk to me like a fellow human was the dickhead cop who arrested me, other inmates and staff were all cool.... all the other cops were cool and joking around with me.... but that one cop was constantly telling me to shut the fuck up, even when I was answering a question another cop asked me.
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same, cops were more dehumanizing than any inmate.
firewall73 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Iโm an idiot, whatโs the difference between jail and prison?
Druuseph ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 18:34:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison is what you think it is, the sprawling campus with different dormitories and three layers of barbed wire. Jail is usually a compact building attached to or connected to a police precinct and isn't meant for long term stays. Depending on where you are its little more than a drunk tank but in bigger cities/counties its usually a couple of open dormitories for people who can't make bail or are only serving short sentences.
Humpsoss ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:51:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to one for DUI/GTA in SoCal (Orange County) over 10 years ago and exactly like this. They were also segregated which was weird. I was put in with the whites and Latinos. They called me 'wood.' 0/10, would not DUI and steal Ford Excursion again to get home after drinking.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rainbow_spunk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:04:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because he wood not want to go there again.
RightWing_TX_Liberal ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:03:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I assume he's white. If so, Peckerwood is slang for a white male, shortened to Wood. My guess.
Humpsoss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:11:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Short for 'peckerwood.' A slang term used to generally describe white inmates.
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is usually for sentences less than one year at your local county jail or when you are awaiting trial. Prison is for when you get years of time. This is a broad generalization but pretty much the gist. Jail is usually a much safer environment as the inmates are usually in for short sentences of a year or less and don't go looking for trouble so they can add years to their sentence. Usually nobody trying to be the "big man" in jail and just people trying do their little time and get free.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:52:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
except that nobody gives a fuck about you in jail. you could be literally dying and there's no guarantee the CO will even look at you twice, much less open the door to check.
and the time i was in, my 32 person area was holding about 40 people and a few of them were awaiting transport. one had recently gotten life for murder and a couple others were looking at 25 years. no separation or protection for the people in there for small drug possession or anything else.
Joezerony ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:11:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ive heard jails have been housing Lifers and what not recently due to prisons being filled to the brim. Theyve gotten more dangerous supposedly, thankfully i dont know how true this is
JK_NC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think jail is where youโre held after arrest but before conviction/sentencing (and canโt afford bail). Prison is where you go after youโve been found guilty and sentenced to some amount of time.
UncleGrga ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my last time in jail, i turned myself in at a courthouse on a bench warrant.
The solo holding cell was so fucking boring, i mostly paced back and forth and when food finally arrived, i did arts and crafts with the paper bag
froschkonig ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:45:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I poop in average 4-5 times a day. My cellmate might murder me if I end up in prison.
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You might be killing yourself with whatever the fuck you're firing into that gut that makes you shit 5 times a day....
froschkonig ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:54:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I eat healthy, and am currently undergoing diagnostics with gi specialists to figure out why, but thanks for the uneducated opinion.
Nintey3TilInfinity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt need a degree to know that isnโt normal
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was joking yeesh, I guess the sarcasm didn't come through in the post. Apologies.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any Americans with friends or family locked up should look up the Prison Literature Project. Non-profit sends free books to prisoners on request.
spiderlanewales ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A buddy of mine who did a short stint said the same thing about the books. He was craving even an okay book, but everything they had was either at a middle school level or in Spanish. (He managed to be a white dude locked up in an area that was mostly Latin-American immigrants.)
fletchindubai ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:02:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail, not prison too.
I was 18 years old. They took my belt and the laces out of my Doc Martins.
Had a cell to myself and was woken up in the morning by a police officer with a cup of tea and a bacon roll. It was a decent cup of tea, the bacon was nice and thankfully they'd remember to put on the red sauce.
After that I was finger printed. Then they took me to have a mugshot taken and they had to re-do it because I smiled on the first one and apparently that's not allowed. (see Martin Star in the opening credits of Freaks and Geeks for an idea)
Then I was questioned. Gave them nothing. Asked for another cup of tea and a bacon roll. Only got the tea.
Then they drove me home and searched my bedroom. Found nothing.
Whole thing was dropped a week later on a technicality.
Small town police. Can recommend. 8/10
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
5 is my worst fear.
vox_veritas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, no Hardy Boys? That sucks.
phormix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question: what's the difference between the two?
druglawyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh you get used to it, nobody really wants to stare at a guy taking a shit so it's not as bad as you picture it. Plus it's in a corner and there's a little waist high wall so they'd have to be trying to see your junk to actually see it.
Frankfusion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thank God I went for just a day. It was for missing traffic court and it sucked. I went through this exactly.
Msniko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gaol?
2kys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Omg the books sucked and were all Religous
Jaymezians ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad went to prison three times and he told me the "pick on the new guy" thing is rare. People in prison like to stick to their schedule. It's one of the things that keep them sane. Picking on you is not worth getting out of their grove. He has no idea about max though. He never went to max.
MajinVegeta88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds exactly like Navy Basic Training lol
rworldnewsmidfcucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:00 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do people stare at you while shitting?
walliver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello! Something I've always wondered about jail food. I'm vegetarian (by choice, nothing religious or related to health issues), would they cater for me?
isntthatjesus1987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:53:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, there would be very few prisons that offer vegetarian options.
Sir-Steves-Alot ยท 22193 points ยท Posted at 12:30:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Well there goes my job"
Nick_Bompton ยท 8232 points ยท Posted at 15:33:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also every decent job in the future
JackyDawg ยท 3589 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
rip bank account
[deleted] ยท 1444 points ยท Posted at 16:18:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
rip butthole
[deleted] ยท 1575 points ยท Posted at 16:22:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do the butthole ripping around here.
sirgrumpycat ยท 838 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username... Checks out?
PickleInDaButt ยท 640 points ยท Posted at 16:52:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sure does.
sirgrumpycat ยท 393 points ยท Posted at 16:54:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yours might do too...
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:03:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
gherkin in the butt sounds more friendly.
Shurdus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:33:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll prefer a pickle over a gherkin in my butt thank you very much.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
depends on orientation.
of the pickle/gherkin, I mean.
steeleyc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pickle fucker
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It all depends on what you're into. Or what's into you.
wuthrow7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:46:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of butt related usernames here
onedoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced "doodoo".
stinkpicklez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aww aren't we a pickle in dabutt
shaded_in_dover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody asked you pickle fucker!
hellomireaux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jerkin the gherkin.
Harry-Seaward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you would know ๐
shortsonapanda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yours does as well
TrueItUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The punctuation use here though. Details.
formattedlizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only one way to find out.
thehappyhuskie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to have to probe a little more
ShagMeNasty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:33:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Daddy
buttsexparty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:49:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We should hang out. I'll bring some friends.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lets tear into some!
BIGMc_LARGEHUGE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit or for a month. I'll allow it
FleshLightTactical ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna?
JerryRSphinx ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed you do, JOE_ANUS, indeed you do.
startup_guy2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are you two related?
Screaming_Wilhelm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:46:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's not the hero we deserve, but he's the hero we need right now.
Charlie_Ward_CCW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/beetlejuicing
justafigment4you ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/beetlejuicing
_vOv_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I AM THE ONE WHO RIPS!
HIGH_SPEED_ICE_DILDO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can help with that.
hyper333active ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
AnalPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Expert here.
oneAnalChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/beetlejuicing
AllaForPresident ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:32:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are rape jokes cool again? Or is it just w people we think deserve to be raped?
LemonJongie23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:41:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a joke not a dick don't take it so hard
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:04:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"forced sex" amirite fellas haha
LemonJongie23 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You tried
stealnova ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:08:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've always been cool, just a touchy subject
Cryptdusa ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody deserves to be raped. Just some people like to make jokes anyway. Myself included.
AllaForPresident ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:49:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk... joke about terry cruz getting his ass smacked and you get downvoted to hell, joke about someone being raped in prison, everyone gets on board.
Cryptdusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know anything about Terry Crews. I just am of the mind that nothing is off limits for jokes. Nothing is too sacred. There are certainly contexts in which things go to far though. Like, gallows humor is pretty inappropriate at a funeral, and probably would avoid making a rape joke in front of a friend who was recently raped.
If you disagree with me, I think that's valid, and there certainly are good arguments to be made, but that's just what I happen to believe.
AllaForPresident ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I donโt disagree with you. Iโm just pointing out the hypocrisy on reddit.
Cryptdusa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alright then, fair enough!
MaximumLadder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't joke about rape
Cryptdusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. All comedy comes from tragedy, and I don't think it's anyone's place to say some things are too tragic too be joked about, because it essentially is ranking tragedy. Maybe you're offended at a rape joke, but think a Hindenberg joke is okay. Who's to say that the rape joke is worse? Granted, I get offended at certain jokes every now and then too, but I don't think other people don't have a right to make them. It just happened to strike a chord with me.
HoodButNerdish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:02:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Down voting because you donโt know anything about Terry Crews
Edit: I didnโt actually downvote. Apparently People donโt understand the sarcasm on Reddit
Cryptdusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know he's a great dad, cop, wrestler and president! Does that count for something?
HoodButNerdish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Downvoting because you didnโt mention his game show host abilities and his pectoral dance
GuytFromWayBack ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, as long as the joke isn't intended to upset anybody and is funny, then I'd rather laugh than be offended.
Edit: Whoops, guess I have to be offended by these hypothetical jokes of which we have no examples whatsoever. My bad.
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is though, to someone who has been or knows someone who has been raped, it wouldn't be funny at all. In the same way that I doubt a Holocaust survivor would enjoy Nazi jokes.
GuytFromWayBack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:45:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that entirely depends on what the joke is and how relevant it is to that persons experience. I did specify that it had to be funny and well-intended, even if in questionable taste. Frankie Boyle made a career out of telling offensive jokes, I'm sure some of his fans have had bad shit happen to them in the past that he mocks.
Edit: Lmao everybody's getting downvoted in this thread, no matter what opinion they have. Bottom line is, some people want to censor free expression, and I think that humour is a matter of opinion and shouldn't be censored just because somebody might get offended. First world problems, eh? Where the only thing you have to worry about is somebody hurting your feelings. Lighten up.
Wilhelm_III ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably bias b/c Terry Crews is a decent dude that people like and most folks in prison are not.
AllaForPresident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, getting smacked on the ass isnโt rape, but hey, thatโs just semantics.
Wilhelm_III ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But I think that's a big part of why.
Also the dude grabbed his junk, which still isn't rape, but.
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck poor black people for smoking pot
/s
Wilhelm_III ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's...not at all what I said. Nor did I necessarily agree. Not my view, just what a lot of people think.
And while I don't think that marijuana should be banned (we don't ban booze, ffs) and that sentences for weed are just absurd, I also think not breaking drug law is...not that hard. Personal responsibility and all that.
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because laws are always correct and breaking the law automatically makes you wrong. Laws are spooks, people have the right to bodily autonomy which includes using drugs.
Wilhelm_III ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I agree. Laws aren't right just because they're laws. I never said otherwise.
At the same time it's generally prudent to follow them, especially for the ones that govern an optional activity.
phrazel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a black guy telling me to stick a lighter up my bunghole on the ride to the main jail. He was sticking a pack of cigs in his and I was suppose to put the lighter in mine. I passed....
Goatmo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha it's so funny when men get RAPED!!! AMIRITE?
TurntAsf ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An actual issue but okay...
waveydavey94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um, would you joke about rape around any substantial group of women? That would be pretty savage. So then, why THE FUCK would you joke about rape with people willing to discuss their prison experience?
Edit: Please please please help me understand how my comment is being misread. I'm saying you shouldn't joke about people's trauma right in front of them.
WhitestTrash ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a woman.
What's black and blue and doesn't like sex? The bitch in my trunk.
I'll see myself out now.
PM_ME_YOUR_PAWG_BUTT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:18:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And yet another username ITT checks out... this has gotta be some kind of record or somethin'.
WhitestTrash ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One for the Reddit history books. We're all checking out.
bugsecks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:14 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah can we not make rape jokes please
spaceklods ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
rip dropped soap (that somebody sticks up the butt)
Doyle_Johnson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:46:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how any of this works.
spaceklods ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:51:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would you know? I know somebody out there that has a soap fetish.
RandomCandor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I guess that's it for trying to make it to Carol's christmas party"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JackyDawg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously, but I was pointing out how most felons are pretty much broke after serving their time.
cumfarts ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:36:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some states bill you for your time when you get out. If you can't pay they lock you up again.
PM_ME_YOUR_PAWG_BUTT ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:22:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty fucked up. Especially if you went to prison for robbing some place because you were broke. You'd live in a perpetual prison sentence. Fuck that rule and whoever wrote it!
LemonJongie23 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 23:47:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I like it. It keeps criminal scum off the streets and when they are out they'll think before they act before wanting to commit a crime
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:01:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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LemonJongie23 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How?
karnim ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:36:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A whole lot of crime is committed because people are broke. Taking a broke person out of jail and saying "You owe us thousands of dollars" just makes them more likely to commit crime again, for the monetary and survival needs.
As most young people are learning now with student loans, it's hard to build a life when you owe someone more than you can afford to give up.
LemonJongie23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:09:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So personal responsibility doesn't exist just because you're a loser who made poor choices in life?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People don't choose to be poor
LemonJongie23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can choose not to commit crimes tho
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what we're talking about though, like they are desperate, commit a crime, serve their sentence, then come out still poor and get sent back if they can't pay up, which unfairly causes them to remain in jail and more likely to go back to crime.
LemonJongie23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So? Don't commit a crime then you won't be in that situation. No one cares how "desperate" you are
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're too ignorant to realize your ignorance you aren't going to listen to people pointing it out. It's pure ideology
LemonJongie23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:18:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's so much easier to throw a tantrum based off feefees instead of explaining why common sense is wrong
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Disagreeing with me is throwing a tantrum! Triggered snowflake libtard! Muh fee fees!" Nice meme
LemonJongie23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bud, I make fun of retards who use terms like libtard. Get some new material. You can't create an argument so you throw out pointless insults and strawmen
reliesonblitz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well you sometime you have to buy things in jail like minutes or extra food
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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xSARGEx117x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have $14 in my bank account... I'd love to have 10k. I could pay off my debts, and actually think about the possibility of investing.
PM_ME_YOUR_PAWG_BUTT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they had a 40 month sentence and you consider "living like a king" as having a banana every day, then sure!
Obvious /s is obvious.
Doyle_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.salon.com/2016/01/14/myth_of_the_middle_class_most_americans_dont_even_have_1000_in_savings/
PastaPapi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:13:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rip asshole
rednax1206 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
Nordmann11 ยท 980 points ยท Posted at 16:19:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you move to Norway. I work in wholesales and there's several plumbers who's served time who comes to visit, and they all make the same or more than me โฆ Hell, even one of them was even serving for kidnapping.
Snake10000 ยท 2251 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did this kidnapping have to do anything with a certain... princess?
Nordmann11 ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 16:44:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was drug/money related. Probably sounds a lot worse than it was, still he served a good 6-7 years for it, and was released because of behaviour (remember it's Norway).
Edit: I tried googling something about kidnapping princess after you wrote it, and now I'm probably on some list โฆ
Justifiably_Cynical ยท 335 points ยท Posted at 16:46:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Were the plumbers Italian? Were they brothers?
Nordmann11 ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'm slow. To my defense I've "never" touched Nintendo. To me it was Intellivision first, then Commodore 64, Amiga 500 and then PC.
Justifiably_Cynical ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:06:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had kids. Played too much nintendo.
ahappypoop ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:53:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm a 21 year old kid. Still play too much Nintendo (super Mario odyssey was amazing, hard but not too hard to 100%).
i_make_song ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:04:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Super Mario Odyssey is a great game but I wouldn't define it as "hard".
flapface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...to 100%, not general difficulty.
ahappypoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, generally speaking pretty easy, but there were a few moons that were pretty tough to get.
flapface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't 100%-ed it and almost certainly won't, just don't have the patience for that kind of thing these days now that I'm in my 30s. Cracking game though, really enjoyed playing it. I'm currently going back to get enough moons for the "real" ending (500?)
ahappypoop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs pretty much what I thought Iโd do too, but it was fun enough that I just kept going for each โnextโ thing (500 moons, 880 moons, 999 moons) until I couldnโt do anything else new in the game. No need to rush though, just enjoy the game!
flapface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good work :)
i_make_song ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:58:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even to 100% the game. It's not like DSIII.
flapface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I should hope that it isn't...
electrogeek8086 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Videos games aren't hard nowadays.
xxxsur ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:12:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shite. You get kids because of playing nintendo?!
Brb throwing Swtich out of my window....
HIV4U ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ONLY if you substitute a vagina for a controller.
sdmitch16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:08 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would do that? All the new controllers have vibration built in.
JunkBondJunkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I played on PC and no kids so switch before you get kids!
waytosoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeesh I'm sorry. What happened if you don't mind me asking?
Justifiably_Cynical ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckers grew up became men. Men! Can you believe it? Fucking bastards each and every one.
waytosoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:32 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, that's terrible. How does one turn a goat into a man anyway?
chocolateandpretzles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:53:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had intellivision! No one else I know did! Snafu and burger time were the SHIT!
Nordmann11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I raise you with Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.
Edit: Bonus: Did you check out GTA for Intellivision?
Dou-kut-su ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:06:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, DnD was on Intellivision? Awesome, dude.
Monkey_Cups ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember playing D&D when I was four but it was too hard for me. I remember I kept getting killed by a Snake,
Unless I'm thinking of a different game.
Bone-Juice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember AD&D! That game was pretty sweet for it's time. Actually, Intellivision was a pretty nice system in the day.
chocolateandpretzles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no my sister and I were like 5 and 11 and not gamers at all. Didnโt even know it existed Pitfall, KaBoom, and Donkey Kong were our Atari choices as well...
AlistarDark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That one was easy. This is the AD&D that fucked me hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9jcUTTm6RA
Nordmann11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this has to be one of the very first FPS games ever โฆ I've never played this one.
Parara_papapapaVeis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS
Monkey_Cups ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be old. I played on an Intellivision when I was a kid, then Atari, then Sinclair ZX Spectrum, then a Saga.
Kids are so lucky these days. They're spoilt for choice. My friend got her kids an old Nintendo to play on cause they're only 5 or so.
Nordmann11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is 38 considered old?
Monkey_Cups ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 37 and I feel old but it depends on each individual. My mum's 68 and a lot of people think that's old but she doesn't feel it. My sister's only 39 and is in worst shape physically than my mum due to arthritis.
Edit: added a word
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
๐ I too learned to program in the 80s.
pATREUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Same here my man!
ATARI ST SUCK BAWLZ
Meester_Tweester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair I don't think kidnapped princesses are exclusive to the Super Mario series
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the PROPER gaming progression. Fucking console children
SirRogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they were Martin and Lewis. Something like that anyway.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:48:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a Mario reference, but I thought Bowser kidnapped her and the plumber in this scenario (Mario) freed her from the kidnapper
ignorantlout ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:17:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's precisely what this plumber was doing until those meddling Norwegian police misunderstood what he was trying to do.
exrex ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:58:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There were also a lot of accusations about big green plants and consumption of mushrooms that had some kind of influence...
DeepGhosts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Next stop: Nintendo hit list
lilfruini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mushrooms and gold coins?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Mario Bros. reference fam
mutemantis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:18:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah those would be the Italian plumbers
guccixanax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These days, Mario is no longer a plumber.
pknk6116 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude, she was in another castle
idkwhatiseven ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if bowser was framed and it all got kept secret because they knew the world needed a hero?
VonDrakken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:27:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Norway does have many mushrooms... and it is a kingdom...
makealegaluturn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
win
jethroboom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh how the turntables
AgentChris101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A'NO!
sultansofschwing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Its-a me-a
phormix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a RESCUE damnit. Her husband was secretly a lizard.
Oh, wait, time for my meds...
Burboto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Too good.
AlistarDark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and then the ransom was something about the prime minister fucking a pig on tv?
dtsyk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:03:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably easier to get a job in America with jail on your record than to emigrate to Norway.
peewinkle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:02:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure jail in Norway is unlike any other. They actually rehabilitate criminals there versus just giving them a time-out at a clown college.
reven80 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:08:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but how hard is it to immigrate to Norway with a criminal record?
Nordmann11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it will be any issue โฆ
282828287272 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:29:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most countries won't let you in with violent criminal convictions. Canada kicked my roommate out of the car at the border just for for having a 3 year old DUI and that was just to visit for 2 days. I can't imagine they'd be friendlier if he was applying for a work visa.
WhynotstartnoW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a DUI and want to go into Canada you need to call ahead. If you give them a heads up they're okay with letting you in, but you can't just show up on their doorstep.
282828287272 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little harder than calling. I tried to plan a visit with my girlfriend who has a 4 year old DUI and she had to apply and was denied. Sometimes people slip through though it's up to the discretion of the Border patrol agent in certain cases. I was just using that as a softball example of trying to move/work in another country with a criminal record. Even without one it's difficult to get a work vida in most first world countries. trade work especially. Doctors, engineers, and specific tech and medical certs/degrees are generally in the highest demand. You might swing that with a criminal record but with a kidnapping charge I'd be very surprised.
nabrok ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a documentary where an american prison warden visited a Norwegian prison (at least I think it was Norway). It's just a completely different attitude towards incarceration/rehabilitation.
Aski09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the opposite, where a norwegian warden visited an american prison.
The warden asked the inmates to draw a realistic dream prison. They ended up drawing something very similar to the prison the warden came from.
AlistarDark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Canada, if you're in the trades, you probably have a criminal record. Especially if you're a scaffolder.
HiMyNameIsNerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Happens here too (US). My dad used to be really involved in the local Plumber/Pipefitter union for our state. Plenty of apprentices with a few offenses. I'm sure it varies by state though.
g0atmeal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's so wholesome, I think!
lhwang0320 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That....doesn't sound right at all. If you are serving time, you should have a minimum wage job...in prison.
Larsjr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trades hire felons in any country.
WhynotstartnoW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a plumber in the US and started working when I had a felony on record, and plenty of my co-workers also have criminal records. When the labor market is tight they really dredge up all the talent from the bottom. And I get paid modestly more than the median household income for the city. Construction is a relatively easy industry to get a job in with a criminal record(if you're physically capable).
And on the topic of Norway, one of my cousins moved from the Czech republic to Norway to become a bus driver, and within 6 months got caught speeding in his personal vehicle and had his commercial drivers license permanently revoked. So it's not all sunshine for law breakers in Norway(though they did let him immigrate despite having a prosecution for beating up a parking lot attendant with his skinhead gang buddies on his record)
Geralt_of_Rivia1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is true of felon plumbers, electricians, skilled welders, and all other skilled trades in the US.
lookslikesausage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how easy/difficult is it to move to Norway and get a job there? I'm under the impression it's quite difficult.
slayman2001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the States, kidnapping is the most abused over charged crime. Frequently added in almost every domestic dispute, real or imagined.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Nordmann11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
TIL I don't have a decent job โฆ
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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paperweightbaby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you don't make your plumber pee in a cup and give him a backround check before he unclogs the shit from your toilet? Doesn't sound very American to me.........
ABCosmos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt they would take you after you commit a crime, are you suggesting we move to Norway before we commit crimes?
Nordmann11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, why not? It's not like you having a criminal record would hinder you at crossing our borders โฆ
ABCosmos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Skeptical. Even liberal Canada won't let U.S. citizens visit if they have committed certain crimes.
Teachtaire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:20:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like a DUI, for instance.
Art_Vandelay_7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you need to go to jail to improve that CV!
Nordmann11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. Believe me, I've been toying with the idea โฆ
TheThing345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plumbers and wholesale... do you work at Heidenreich AS?
Nordmann11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, that's one of our competitors โฆ
lsaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of countries like that, here in Mรฉxico is actually illegal if somebody denies you a job because of your criminal record.
Sdmonster01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can get amazingly well paying jobs in the states too. People just donโt think of blue collar/food industry jobs as โgoodโ but I know welders doing insanely well that did some pretty significant time.
Heavy machine operators, construction, dry wall, etc. all programs at the facility I work at
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
remember, too, that up there, they basically give hotel suites to mass murders for their stay in jail.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:37:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PillPoppingCanadian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:13:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine that, not having prisoners be literal slaves that are constantly fearing for their lives makes them better people. Whodathunkit
Geralt_of_Rivia1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, this is the main reason that I support this prison system over the US's current one.
growingcodist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it works, it works.
Rather_Unfortunate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it works, then it works. Cruelty for the sake of it is not becoming of a civilised society. They're still locked away and unable to harm the public from in there, and Breivik (to whom I assume you're referring) will not be a martyr for the far right. He'll be a sad little man who died bored and unloved.
revanwright ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:20:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really depends. When I was first featured on the local news Warrant Watch, half the people I thought were friends immediately called my workplace trying to find me so they could turn me in and collect the reward money. I was immediately fired from that job.
But a couple years later, I got a job at a major international airport and passed a US Customs 10 year background check with no problems. Even though I listed my arrests and jail time, they didn't even turn it up, because the county I was incarcerated in was so backwoods and disorganized.
omni_wisdumb ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's absolutely not true. Prison, most likely, especially if it's a felony. But plenty of people go to jail for a night or two. Most if my friends and family has gone to jail for a night or two when they were younger for stupid stuff like being too drunk outside of a bar or getting into a fight. Most of them are doing just fine. Lawyers, doctors, consultants, engineers, and so on.
mr_ji ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:46:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only that were still the case. Every white collar job checks your history these days, explicitly or not.
Source: Just left Ivy League grad school and have a stellar resume; people are knocking down my door to hire me until the criminal history check or whatever they call it then I never hear from them again. I'll probably wind up selling fucking insurance.
omni_wisdumb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:55:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going to jail for a couple days almost never shows up on background checks. You must have actually been convicted of something.
mr_ji ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Most misdemeanors don't get sent to prison, which is the majority of convictions, not to mention that an arrest is enough to lose prospective employment in many states.
omni_wisdumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea if you already have a job sure. But I just don't see getting arrested whole in HS or college for some misdemeanor fucking up your life.
PleaseFartOnMyFace ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it does. If the police arrest you it stays with you forever.
omni_wisdumb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:53:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true, small things can be taken off your record with very little effort. If someone is taken to jail for a night to sober up its not going to show up on some record and ruin their life, that's a ridiculous claim.
avsbdn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like they had money for a pretty decent lawyer
omni_wisdumb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:55:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some did, some didn't.
buuulbasaur ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this really isn't true depending on what you got arrested for
Monkey_Cups ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding. My brother got sent to prison when he was 19 for breaking into someone's house and vandalising it. He's 45 and got turned down for a caring job because of his record. He only broke into the house because someone spiked him with acid.
chaos36 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely the next 7 years. Most places only look back that far. That 7 years will be tough, even low skill manufacturing jobs will reject you, but after that you should be fine. After my felony (stupid teenager) I worked production and went back to school. I would say my current job is a good one.
Reza_Jafari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is?..
unstoppabledot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:01:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
prison guard
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You went full cirlce
chaos36 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My job? Software Engineer
20charactersisbulls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a relief to hear as a parent with a (now adult) who was also stupid and had a felony on his record. He is currently working a shitty job he hates, but is at least sticking too and has expressed interest in starting school again. Thank you!
chaos36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not easy and not fast, but it can be done. It does depend on the individual though. It can be hard to work towards something after a setback like that. And I didn't really care about my situation when it was just me. It took having a child to make me want to better myself. But I had a good support system, and they didn't enable me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My younger brother is a real success story. Three arrests, one felony. He spent a year in jail (avoided prison). Got out, rehabbed, got an AA in information technology, got a great job, makes 60 k.
Recommendations were crucial. He did get turned down from some jobs, but his current boss only knows he canโt pass a security clearance, otherwise told him donโt know, donโt care.
RedeRules770 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup... my dad got out of prison almost 10 years ago and has had a squeaky clean record since and still no one will hire him
JoeDidcot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...in America, anyhow. In some countries, after a set number of years, a conviction is deemed "spent" and you no longer have to declare it on application forms etc. In the UK, this is protected by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (dunno what year).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess they are the exception not the rule, but I've known a few folks who make 6 figures after going to prison. One is a millioinare. It takes a lot of hard work to get back up, but it's possible.
AssangeJay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rdm q: Coming out of jail seems very unforgiving in the US, is it as hard getting back into life in the UK?
lucajones88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I make double now than I did before I went to prison. A lot of ex prisoners don't work at all though, it's pretty sad that society just says they have nothing to offer
pknk6116 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I own a (tech) company, I'd still hire the shit out of a felon if they were good and knew what they were doing. Depends on the charge of course...
So we exist, but yeah, rare. I also was arrested for a BS felony (plead down to misdemeanor) though so I get it a bit more than many.
Mr_Fitzgibbons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Statistically speaking, that's mostly true of black people. It's much easier for white convicts to find work
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TheRealOG1777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a decent job :)
unicorn_feces33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
debatable
bobbymcpresscot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you mean by decent. No trade jobs around here do background checks, they made it so you can't put background check questions on applications for federal jobs I'm pretty sure. You have options, just a nice cushy security clearance required job will probably be out of reach.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโd be surprised how many ex cons work in the construction industry and make a good living
CowboyLaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can still work in the construction trades. And, as is frequently pointed out here, that's good work.
crystalistwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And maybe ability to vote.
NDoilworker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that bad unless he's answering for the "Prison" portion
thesilkroadtrucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's more dependent on the crime and amount of time served.
nintendomech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friend went to federal prison for a year. Still makes a million a year
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. My ex was a counselor at a local prison. A guy that was locked up did lawn keeping within the prison fences, and due to good conduct was allowed to care for the front lawn up to the road outside the gates.
Dude got out, and due to his work, he was offered a job with the city, groundskeeping for public parks and other city properties.
I mean, it's probably a rare exception, but dude is making good money with great benefits.
Lolcatz101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Baskin Robbins always finds out
jammerjoint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only for felonies in the US.
IslandBWF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Learning a good trade might be a good tip (having never been in prison myself). Our carpenter doing our hardwood floors used to be a bank robber and served time. Back then he did it out of desperation for money, being unskilled. Now he has a skill that he really enjoys doing, so its not worth fucking up. And on the other side of things, he's really good at it, so the first few people were willing to take the risk at having a thief in their house, and now its been over 20 years since he was in jail, so now pretty much no one worries about it anymore.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Wweagle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:05:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it makes no sense though, by not giving ex cons a chance they will just move on to crime and possibly kill someone
damnocles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the US mentality. Fuck you, got mine.
The idea of being your brothers keeper, even if that person has failed at being a good citizen before, is gone.
Which is funny, since everyone likes to tout Christianity here... I guess Christ never said anything about forgiveness
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Nick_Bompton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldnโt think right
Knox_Harrington ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you've opened up other rewarding career paths in exciting fields like drug dealing, racketeering, or credit card fraud!
Hayden_Hank_1994 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:40:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because people who steal, murder, or rape, should get good jobs
Nick_Bompton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying jail time doesnโt look good next to a guy with no jail time
Hayden_Hank_1994 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:54:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody forced them to commit crimes
grumpy_hedgehog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody sentenced them to life without possibility of career either.
damnocles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:00:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God that's the only way anyone is ever convicted of a crime
IchTuDirWeh ยท 473 points ยท Posted at 19:24:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was lucky enough to keep my job after going to jail. It was a heroin charge and I posted my bail 3 days after being locked up and immediately checked into rehab. My job took that into account and put me on a probationary period to make sure I wasn't using.
Haven't gone back and I recently got a small bonus and they told me they are glad they didn't fire me and that I have been exceeding their expectations so things really worked out.
In the end I'm glad I got arrested because now I can save money and my life is actually improving. Maybe one of the only people the system has benefited.
shiresnana04 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 01:13:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The system didnt benefit you, you benefitted you. U da bomb!
IchTuDirWeh ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:11:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably true. Thanks dude!
Ichibani ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that arrest played a part in his self-improvement.
(And IMO there's something wrong with telling him he shouldn't feel that way.)
speedtoburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:17:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats, I'm glad you were able to be successful.
Shoeboxer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:01:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a hug from me. Lost too many to the shit.
IchTuDirWeh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same, it's a shame. A lot of really great people taken by a bad decision.
One friend was an absolutely brilliant artist. The kind of person who leaves a lasting impression on you the first time you meet him. Could have done great things.
boredlawyer90 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:55:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to guess that youโre not from the US?
Our system never works this well.
IchTuDirWeh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:07:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually! I made it out lucky. Also the company I work for is owned by wonderful people. Couldn't be more grateful to work for them.
I got a year of probation, lost my truck for 6 months and had to buy a new one. Overall the situation has cost me around $5000. $2000 of that was getting my truck back. Now my truck is in the shop for sitting on a lot for 6 straight months in the winter time and I'm looking at probably another $500 to get it running again because I am by no means mechanic.
It's been stressful but I made it out alright and was able to save the money to take care of everything. This happened late August last year so I'm still dealing with some of the aftermath.
boredlawyer90 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:26:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs kind of shocking to me. Well, Iโm glad to hear the system didnโt completely fail you. Nice to see that it might work for some people. Best of luck on getting things squared away and back on your feet.
Csquared211 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome, good job!
poorexcuses ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it up, buddy! Don't be afraid to get more help if you need it.
pegleg97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:07 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It benifitted me. I don't want to ever fucking go back to jail that's for damn sure. I only did 3 weeks and I couldn't take it. I couldn't imagine getting years and they pass it out like candy too.
hugenshitzen ยท 1123 points ยท Posted at 15:34:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My boss would be the one to pick me up from jail
L0git ยท 578 points ยท Posted at 16:05:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My boss DID pick me up from jail. Pretty sure he dropped me off too.
xedre ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 16:18:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Hamplanetfever ยท 533 points ยท Posted at 17:16:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They carpool to save gas and time.
gmenold ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 17:54:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One is a warden and the other a guard.
YOUR_MORAL_BAROMETER ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:56:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd watch that sitcom.
fizzlehack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they're married!
Meanee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they switched bodies.
BulletC ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:48:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like a riddle
L0git ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No real mystery to be solved. I had to do a weekend in jail, and when I told him about it I didn't have my license at the time so he offered to do both.
SWUNG_0N_AND_BELTED ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 18:58:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good fucking boss right there.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:02:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โOkay, Iโll drop you off and pick you up but next time you diddle my kids you are own your own!โ
KeepItRealTV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:11:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When the boss picked him up, they went straight to work though.
ieatconfusedfish ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:13:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, what lead to a weekend in jail? That sounds like something that could happen to a decent person, but also fuck up your job/rental/school applications
Geralt_of_Rivia1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:44:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely a stupid fight, unpaid fees of some sort, or something minor like this
falcon0159 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or speeding in VA.
L0git ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:51:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dui, furnishing to minors while on probation.
Romanticon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:38:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you do?
What did you do?
L0git ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:49:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got dui, and than a furnishing to minors while I was on probation.
I'm the Operations Manager for a steam cleaning company.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:04:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You bought minors some couches and other home furnishings?
fizzlehack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
furnishing the steam yo
MorbidErections ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is mandatory turn in date. Turn yourself in this date and get released this date! Lets see how this pans out.
1justmadethatup ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:26:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
probably did weekends in jail, went straight to and from work.
Vincent6636 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His name is Mike Ross.
intaake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for the Suits reference
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Repaying the favor.
m4ximusprim3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
L0git is a prison guard who carpools with the warden.
go_away_im_sleeping ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mike Ross?
ScottieScrotumScum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boss put some money on my books, needless to say I felt lavish
fuckedbymath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His boss is Samuel Jackson.
thelordcaptain ยท 900 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Either a very good boss or you're indispensable or both.
chequeredboard ยท 1098 points ยท Posted at 16:11:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's a drug dealer
[deleted] ยท 482 points ยท Posted at 16:17:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or they works for their parents.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:03:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why_not_both.jpeg
asoughtafterdroid ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:53:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Roommates"
whatisyournamemike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or your boss is your pimp.
The_Year_of_Glad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:47:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's a taxi driver.
I_Am_Albert_Potato ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's a pimp
thelordcaptain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, or that.
LeftoverName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say "or he's mike ross" but I guess that fits the description too
sniperdude12a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or he/she works for one of their friends/family
SpermWhale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's the lover of his boss.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:41:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work in the timeshare business, and the old timers would talk of a time when they kept a bail fund to get their top sellers out so they wouldnt miss work. It was usually alcohol related.
thelordcaptain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably usually alcohol, yeah.
DickPuppet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:50:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in food service and coworkers going to jail is like a monthly occurrence. One time the general manager went to jail for an unpaid ticket and we had to cover for her
thelordcaptain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that's because fast food is where most dealers in America "work".
electrogeek8086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what a bullshit country. putting people in jail for not paying a ticket
KuntaStillSingle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could be military
thelordcaptain ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have jails too though, and frown harder.
twodogsfighting ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they have frown hard 1 & 2 or just the third one?
thelordcaptain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a Die Hard joke?
SirVelocifaptor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have A good day to frown hard
DerekB52 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:22:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom works at a vocational high school and they just got a new welding teacher. He's one of the only teachers in the school that has spent any serious amount of time in the trades they teach. He floored them all when he said if they had a welder get locked up, they'd pass a hat around and collect money to pay his bail, cuz they were gonna need the guy for work. Welders are in short supply.
thelordcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gods, that short of a supply?
It's not a hard skill. I've done welding for DIY projects. It's just tiring.
DerekB52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a machinist myself, but I've dabbled in welding. I couldn't do it professionally. It would depend on the job though. Machinists make parts with .0001" precision. That's 1/50 the thickness of a standard sheet of printer paper. I've seen people weld without a ruler cuz they had a 2 inch tolerance. So I like to make fun of welders. But, some jobs get really really precise, and I don't understand how they do it.
thelordcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably practice.
incer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the type of welding. MIG or electrode is easy. TIG, not so much.
thelordcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:41 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair
C_IsForCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My last boss would do that. He was a shit boss and a shittier business owner. He just had piss poor standards for hiring.
DeviousCraker ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:22:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same happened to my dad, his boss was quite pissed when he learned the bail was supposed to be just $100 but he paid $1000 because of a clerical error in the system.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Riiiiight, clerical error
LetsPretendItsOk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:25:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My previous boss, sheโs retired now, heard my stories of getting arrested and going to jail. She had me memorize her phone number and told me donโt worry, Iโll always bail you out! Luckily she never had to. Iโve gotten slightly smarter with age.
joepaulk7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bailed out one of my employees yesterday. He's a good worker and got picked up for an unpaid fine from a few years ago. He doesn't know it was me though, but he suspects.
joevsyou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my last boss, was like that.
"Oh you missed the bus? Oh your car wont start? Oh you was in a accident? Oh your car blocked in by 7 feet of snow?
"No no no, i be there in 15"
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote because that's funny and should be in a sitcom.
Trumpsbeentrumped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well at least till he hits the 3rd strike, then it can be a cooking show 1 hour special
DrTomPigy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boss pulls up in minivan "Did you have a good day at jail today?"
jerseyojo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn right, gta get that ass to work.
Mine wanted to post bail for me. I called my gf and told her to tell him not to I'll be out in two weeks. He says but I need him this weekend. You know your a valuable employee when your boss is picking u up or posting bail. You know your boss cares about you that he'll drop you off. Making sure your ass don't catch a warrant.
PacketPuncher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"..multiple murders? We really need you today. Can you be ready by 9am?"
PrisonBull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine too!
Smoke731mcb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the one who used to keep my boss from going to jail
1nceagen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lucky
RefrigeratorHaikuGuy ยท 2128 points ยท Posted at 15:51:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well there goes my job
But at least they can't take my
Refrigerator
bbbbBeaver ยท 778 points ยท Posted at 16:15:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the IRS
Will definitely take your
Refrigerator
Orca4444 ยท 459 points ยท Posted at 16:34:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a shame
The IRS should not take
Refridgerators
[deleted] ยท 1747 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike your mother
There are not any "D's" in
"Refrigerators"
[deleted] ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Savage haiku burn
I don't have a second line
I do not plan well.
Gregg_Rules_Ok ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:34:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 and 10
11 and 12
Meester_Tweester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:47:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
0 1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12
HavocDJ ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 01:30:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there's six syllables
in your haiku's second line
seven's one syllable
corobo ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:34:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your English is bad
And you should feel bad
Se-ven clearly has two
Also this isnโt a haiku
puppyball ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please donโt be stupid
Seven is obviously
Pronounced as โsev-uhnโ
Labdisco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:05:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually pretty interested in the possible single syllable pronunciation of seven. Sven?
puppyball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Due to it being a name from another language, itโs hard to say. Although, Iโm pretty sure itโs not pronounced โsevenโ and thereโs just an awkward-feeling transition from the โsโ to the โv.โ Or at least itโs awkward for someone who only knows English and have spoken it all their life
Labdisco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I don't think "Sven" is a good way to pronounce "seven", but I can't think of anything else... like I said, interested in the answer.
puppyball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Strange. Iโd understand with words like โerrorโ but whatever. Maybe heโll explain maybe he wonโt. It is kind of interesting though, but Iโm probably not going to research stuff
7446353252589 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you retarded
Learn to count your syllables
How embarrassing
flapface ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:50:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your mum would laugh loud
If her mouth were not stuffed with
Throbbing, erect cocks
HavocDJ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad laughs loudly
Because his mouth is stuffed with
Large, black, erect dicks
If only you known
Stealing a well known haiku
Is frowned on greatly
flapface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
(Seriously, is this a well-known haiku? I literally just made it up.)
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 22:11:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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flapface ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I humbly refuse
Because it's just for fun, bro
Also fuck you, is why
HavocDJ ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sore, gay loser
Your third line has one too many
You can't write haikus
puppyball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your second lineโs wrong.
It has one more syllable
Than whatโs required
flapface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I'm bi;
Your mediocrity is
Amusing to me
raptorsnakes ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:07:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Refrigerator
Does not look like a real word
To me anymore
cpali ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:26:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I laughed
Out loud in a subway train
People are staring
betta-believe-it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't wearing my seatbelt on the bus for this one. Flew out the window and dead.
SirShootsAlot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/murderedbywords
ashakilee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
take my upvote and get out of here you genius
withsprinkleszz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gold so deserved
Kvlka666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oof
PM_SMILES_OR_TITS ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your English is bad
that apostrophe is wrong
it shouldn't be "D's"
puppyball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that is quite harsh
Even most English speakers
Do not know that rule
PM_SMILES_OR_TITS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Native ones should know
It is taught at a young age
I think about eight.
puppyball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot confirm
I also canโt deny this
I was not taught that
I apologize
For making the assumption
That not many knew
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if I told you
I was aware of that rule?
Stylistic choice, bitch.
PM_SMILES_OR_TITS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You would still be wrong
And that gold undeserved mate
Retards aren't stylish.
JellyCream ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:13:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IRS stands for Independent Refrigerator Salesman.
Flaming_gerbil ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:06:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Refrigerator, fridge. For some reason the abbreviated version has a 'd' in it, the full word does not. Kind of like how ops mother is a Saint but ops mom is a slut, the abbreviation also has a d in it.
Idler- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fridge is short for Frigidaire. It just became slang for all fridges, like Kleenex and tissue paper. At least, thatโs what Iโve heard. I donโt really know anything except this jar Iโm in.
Pako21green ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ops' mom also has a d in her.
CaldoLanrissian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Woosh
IamJAd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Zing!
lphaas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
80andsunny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Refrigerators
Worry many Redditors
Who discuss prison
Tehsyr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's snowing on Mount Fuji.
bubblesculptor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That ain't cool
David511us ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just cold
XPapaMoonX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a good haiku
It made me think about life
It's snowing on mount fuji
NeverBeenStung ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn you sexy mother fucker
timmistown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a haiku
It's been a long time since school
Or maybe I'm dumb
ashakilee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I save all your haikus <3
HavocDJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You saved my haiku
I thank you ashakilee
You're a good person
ashakilee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
:D
shortsonapanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
SCOTT0852 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
Half-Truism08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you should know that I love you.
RefrigeratorHaikuGuy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:32:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, Half-Truism!
I love you too. That's half true...
Refrigerator
Half-Truism08 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:45:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A haiku from you
Iโd not expected the line
โRefrigeratorโ
(Seriously though, my own personal RefrigeratorHaiku? Iโll treasure it forever ๐)
Deathrial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very William Wallace, gave me chills
Bepicurus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure did you read about Erskine Fogarty?
EroneousOnAllCounts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend's toast at my wedding was a refrigerator Haiku. is your name Tony?
[deleted] ยท 488 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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wsupatizzle ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As usual, well done sprog.
ocarina63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
these make my day better
WhiteVans ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My sprog is satisfied :)
TheGamer942 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 minutes.
This is unprecedented!
Clo248 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honored to give you that first upvote or maybe mobile isnโt showing them properlyโฆ
pukevines2 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Teehee. That was a funny one.
Does sprog like, ever comment back at people though? In non-poem talk?
imperial1s ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this. Second thought was I'm glad I'm single at the moment.
thispostislava ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My dad's going to be so fucking pissed"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless youre a jail guard...
Sauce: my dad's DUI and his Girlfriend who was charged with domestic abuse.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My coworker once hit his wife's boyfriend in the face with a shotgun when he took half a day and came home to them having sex in the kitchen.
His wife worked at the same place on first shift and he ended up in jail for 30 days and they tried to fire him.
The problem was he had enough vacation and PTO time saved up to where he took 20 days off that month plus signed up for anger management, well court ordered, so they couldn't terminate him for the assault or missing work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Sir-Steves-Alot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't go to prison but it's not so bad in jail but yeah that stuff can happen in there, it's just more frequent in prison because hell at that point some people just stop giving a fuck about life at all.
JohnLockeNJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought that anyone who had anything serious on their record would have to go the entrepreneurial route.
TacoCircus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same
lurking_felske ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:40 on March 5, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly
yourchingoo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I owned a business, I would totally hire white collar criminals to do like coding, accounting, engineering, etc, but at like half the price.
AConserv ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:34:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
kmurr82 ยท 3665 points ยท Posted at 16:14:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, this isnt so bad". Seeing that I was recently homeless.
TheLikeGuys3 ยท 1264 points ยท Posted at 18:45:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This gives me anxiety. I just got put out today and all I have is my car, which Iโm already in trouble for because I have no license and a $500 fine to pay which Iโm months late on.
Really hope I donโt go to jail...
mdlost1 ยท 1333 points ยท Posted at 20:21:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get on Craigslist and get a general labor job asap. First step to stability is cash in your hand.
hyper333active ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 20:29:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good Human
smep ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 20:53:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First step is get to your local assistance office ASAP. That's what they're there for.
mdlost1 ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 21:46:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Takes weeks to get balls rolling there. I've done it. Picking up a shovel for $10 an hour did more for me than the state ever did. Hearings and councillors don't pay bills or buy lunch. Good for medium term problems though.
Meetchel ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 22:28:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
mdlost1 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 22:30:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely both!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:19:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For sure both, but they were talking about the "first step". In order, probably 1) get some cash in hand, 2) get to your local assistance office ASAP.
noncm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:36:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. They can connect you to services and jobs.
spaceklods ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:09:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did this when I got my first citation for staying at the library after hours. Was able to pay $200 off that month. It sucked big time, but I'm glad I don't have to do that again.
Edit: I was not a student. It was at the time I first became homeless. It was definitely an eye opening moment.
vicgoal ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:37:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck
spiderlanewales ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:58:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Anti-nerd laws are a new one to me.
spaceklods ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:47:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol. I wish that was the case.
I'm not a student at the university (although they do welcome everyone), and people without their card get cited.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:16:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucked up world.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they have Labor Ready in your town? You get paid same day you work. There's usually a local liquor store that will cash the check. They send you on some pretty horrible gigs but it kept me going for 2 years back in the Great Recession.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:40:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pm me if you want a general labor job in the Midwest. Husbands family owns a contracting company
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:33:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Swainix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow GL man... I don't have much to say I'm a student but wtf... I hope you'll get a home back quickly... do you have plans ?
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:57:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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WhiteKoala__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would it be safe to fill up your water bottle with the two water from the gyms?
MrRapper123 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:42:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or search focus groups on Craigslist. I made $100 last week, $50 today, and have one for Saturday/Sunday which is $100 each day. All for a total of 6 hours of sitting, answering questions, and snacks.
fallenangel3633 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any tips on finding legit ones?
MrRapper123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:27:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I usually search focus groups in the jobs, events, community, and gigs categories. You will also find clinical studies usually lumped in there as well. At most they are going to ask you the basics like number, email, and things of that nature. All the ones I've done have called me first for a phone screening, so if the ad just says show up here I probably wouldn't go.
I've only done about 6 total in my life and they have all paid (all were cash except one which was a check) and it's actually pretty fun. A few pre-trials where you are part of a mock jury, a video game group, and the one this weekend is being a body model for people learning to use an MRI.
I know Craigslist list is full of fakes and scams, but if you due some searching and don't fall for things that are too good to be true, you can make some good extra money!
One final tip is that I think there is a leaning towards not using people who do a lot of focus groups and there will often be a question in the screening about if you have ever been a part of one. I usually say no or that it was several years ago for an acne medication. A little fib doesn't hurt here.
fallenangel3633 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, so helpful!!
MrRapper123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome. One more thing is to not get discouraged and keep checking ever three days or so...the ads they put up are usually only a week or two before the actually date of the group, and they fill up quickly so the earlier you sign up the better. Good luck!
KellynHeller ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:04:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're in socal and know how to use a camera... I could use your help. Will pay. PM me if you are nearby.
I can also help you budget. I have been homeless before and got out of it.
RubyRod1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:09:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay the fine with a credit card, get your license, get a Lyft gig.
yoditronzz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck my dude.
The_Cold_Tugger ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:31:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Y on reddit, man
PM_ASS_PICS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:55:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
check post history
unless he's in the 2% of American prisons that allow for internet use, he's been actively posting for some time
and as of a month ago was supposedly living on his sister's couch, so if he IS months late on that payment it's not because he's been in jail
IWantALargeFarva ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:32:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't read it as he's been in prison. I read it as he's been put out of wherever he was staying. Hence why he said he really hopes he doesn't go to jail, instead of saying "back to jail."
thebardass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check with Express employment. If you can do basic math, read, and pass a quick piss test they can find you a job. They have offices pretty much everywhere. They found me a decent job in about two weeks after I had to leave my old job and move to an entirely new city. Took a slight paycut, but I'm happier at work than before and I get a check every week. They're pretty good at working with whatever you have to offer.
BEAR_RAMMAGE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:45:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you doing on Reddit? Do something to get paid man...like literally anything. Shovel shit if you have to.
fungukungfu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Start hustling my friend!
Right now that car is your lifeline, so you have to do everything possible to keep it legal. Is it a court or a DMV thing? This can spiral out of control but before it does you need to go to the DMV or court and ask for some form of hardship exception. Get your license current and keep it that way.
Hoping doesn't change things unfortunately, and these issues are fixable, but you have to start today!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can work, look into labouring on job sites. It'll be shit work but it might pay marginally better than other no-skill jobs.
Plus a lot of the time it's no questions asked. If you don't fuck up or pull a no show, they'll probably keep you on.
liltuuna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
give r/almosthomeless a look
seanithanegan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:01:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Contact them and tell them youโre having trouble paying the fine but you genuinely intend to. That could go a long way.
TheDragonLake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pizza delivery is the shit if your car works and doesnt break down often
HighExplosiveLight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, there's a lot of good advice here, but if you have a chamber of commerce, try calling them. Sometimes they can give emergency cash funds that you don't have to wait for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you get put out? Storytime please?
TheLikeGuys3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:44 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My siblings and I were raised by or grandmother. She got all of us through high school. My youngest sister graduated in 2016, and my grandmother decided not to renew the lease on the house for 2017.
August 31st was the last day in the house in 2017. I had a job, got laid off on the 30th of August, believe it or not.
Been homeless ever since. Slept at my moms crib, she put me out. Slept on a friends couch for a month and a half then went back to my. Moms crib. She put me out 1 day before the new year. Stayed with my sister then she put me out in the cold and rain on the 21st of this month.
Iโve been struggling to find and keep a steady job, and on top of all that, Iโm chasing my dream of being a famous singer, so part of me is just coping with this crap. Iโm actually going to California to stay with my dad until I can get my own place.
badthingscome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be afraid to ask at any job site you see. I have hired plenty of guys this way and got work this way myself. It is not going to be a steady gig or a lot of cash, but if you are a hard worker, sometimes it can turn into something more than just a day. There are a lot of smaller construction crews who might need an extra guy for a half a day or a couple days.
vivalakaley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By bf got laid off twice in a year. The first time was rough, but the second time he took jobs from the community FB page and held us over for a few weeks. Mow lawns, do anything. The worst thing to do is stay at home, you get bored and stressed/depressed. Run a budget and try to make what you have last as long as possible.
bobby_schmalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seconding on the general labor. Construction has a lot of rough round the edges types, and as long as you show up and have a good attitude wont ask about your background.
Its also is pretty lucrative IMO.
Geicosellscrap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard after being homeless it's not so bad.
The_Uber_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to tell you to drive your car, but you can sleep in Walmart parking lots.
VeganMcVeganface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Start. Making. Good. Choices.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:10 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree take anything you can get. I did shit work but it kept my head above water...good luck, I hope everything works out for you.
starbird123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:08 on April 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is 56 days old now, hope youโre doing ok man
TheLikeGuys3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:47 on April 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually got a call earlier today in regards to an interview I had last week.
I got the job. :)
starbird123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:07 on April 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
damn thatโs awesome! good luck man!
PM_ASS_PICS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what were you locked up for?
computer privileges are rare and you've been actively posting for some time
Mandalorianfist ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:01:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare your anus.
Mandalorianfist ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 21:04:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare your anus.
Moefun24 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:20:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You were homeless, then in jail. How has your life changed in a way you can now use Reddit?
PM_ME_ME_IRL_MEMES ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 19:29:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All you need is a phone and McDonald's.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:23:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds pretty hard to get ahold of first thing out of jail
modus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:25:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have a McDonald's? I own at least three.
MomoBR ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:30:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've got 47 McDonald's in my McDonald's account.
scarypancake123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And 47 warren buffets in my warren buffet account.
that_one_dev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:44:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Smart phones are dirt cheap these days. Not everyone has to buy a brand new iPhone X or Pixel 2
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who recently had to make decisions like "should I feed myself or pay some of my rent?", I can say that even a 15 dollar phone is fucking expensive when you don't even have 5 bucks
Moefun24 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A phone before anything else seems odd, but I'm curious to see what his life is like now
akidwhocantreadgood ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:35:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a phone is essential to getting a job these days. how else would you communicate? by letters? youโre homeless. a phone isnโt a luxury anymore, itโs a necessity
-MuffinTown- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's ways to get cheap phones for free that people aren't going to bother calling to get the imei locked out.
AJaredDavis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obama phones!
st_psilocybin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A public library?
XA36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot if not most homeless have pay as you go phones
zidanetribal ยท 11748 points ยท Posted at 13:37:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail for shock treatment and had to stay two weekends. 7am Saturday to 7am Monday.
You go in for processing, get naked, and then spread your asshole and cough.
They take you to your cell and you meet your mates. Hopefully they are cool, most likely will be if you are staying for a short time.
Realize their is an actual toilet 2ft from your bed. This is where people shit, sometimes while you are trying to sleep. That's the weirdest part.
Breakfast is at 5am.
Saturday night we got to watch a movie. Everyone seems to be friendly during the movie and will yell out funny phrases or cat call when a sexy lady shows up on screen.
Short of it is I basically read Louis Lamour books the entire time that I borrowed from my cell mate.
Also, got the nickname Chainsaw Dave because I grind my teeth when I sleep. They said it was as loud as a chainsaw.
EDIT: fixed some autocorrect.
To answer what shock treatment is, the judge will usually send first time offenders to jail over the weekends to scare or shock them into not wanting to go to jail again. It worked for me, but I did see a kid from high school there that I knew. We talked and he mentioned that a lot of people dont mind coming back to jail for 3 or 6 months or a year for minor offences because they have friends in there already and they don't have to worry about responsibility.
I wear a mouth guard now, thankfully I do not have any damage that was ever caused to my teeth.
amysthetic ยท 7799 points ยท Posted at 14:17:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
pretty badass nickname for something so mundane
capix1 ยท 5027 points ยท Posted at 15:00:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt fuck with a Chainsaw Dave.
hover_force ยท 3450 points ยท Posted at 15:42:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You tell people that you gained the nickname Chainsaw for some shit you did in prison, no one is fucking with you.
Nevermind04 ยท 1721 points ยท Posted at 17:35:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The most important detail is that he got the nickname "Chainsaw Dave" after he got to prison. Hardcore.
applesauceyes ยท 590 points ยท Posted at 18:49:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just can't ever ever ever explain how you got the name. That or lie your ass off.
gmenold ยท 511 points ยท Posted at 18:54:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When asked how you get a name like that just say "they started calling me that ever since the incident..."
Trey5169 ยท 390 points ยท Posted at 19:40:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"They heard it in the night. There was no doubt about the truth. Ever since, they've called me Chainsaw Dave. And I wouldn't change it for the life of me."
SpyderSeven ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:29:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like the kind of thing that could get out of hand. Suddenly no one wants Chainsaw Dave involved in the block grillout because he ate all those babies.
evil_leaper ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:32:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We Stihl love him.
SKGwNRG ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:03:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"The best part? I did it all in my sleep."
Mandalorianfist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why did I read this in Clint Eastwoods voice?
WebDesignBetty ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that you wouldn't... it's that you couldn't.
Trey5169 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Grabs by collar of shirt
"I CAN do WHATEVER I want to! Doubt me again, and I will grind your bones down to ash in your sleep!"
roogoff ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:59:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I did it all with my bare teeth. They were never the same."
TXDRMST ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'd rather not discuss it, I'm in a much better place now."
Nevermind04 ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 19:02:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to lie. Just stare down people who ask.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:03:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell them they gonna find out if they ask one more time.
Nevermind04 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Silence tells them more than any words could.
HoodButNerdish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take 4 ambiens and he will rue the day he asked how Chainsaw Dave came about!
phatbrasil ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"don't worry about it, you are fine"
heisenberg747 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While grinding your teeth.
heisenberg747 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:12:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just say "you really don't want to know"
stuffeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just say you blacked out and people in the next cell started calling you that when you came to.
Malak77 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:51:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And he can make chainsaw noises constantly to add to it.
sarah-xxx ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 16:52:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"You want to come over for Halloween? Oh, I don't know about that, Dave..."
ScytheSwipe ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 17:51:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm afraid I canโt let you do that Dave...
gmenold ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:52:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Open the pod bay doors!
Incruentus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
CrudelyAnimated ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, now I just HAVE to go to prison.
ninja_savage98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost as scary as the name Gator.
DangerDoc ยท 499 points ยท Posted at 15:27:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would especially intimidating if the guy with the nickname "Chainsaw Dave" was a scrawny, nondescript individual... you know, the kind of person people suspect of having a seriously terrifying dark side
Scalpels ยท 246 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Edward Norton.
AlamarAtReddit ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:18:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Primal Fear was an amazing movie...
WeHateSand ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:55:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was Fight club
trollcitybandit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:55:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was American History X...
Justifiably_Cynical ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say, Barney Fife.
dogfish83 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:46:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean sounds like the narrator/Jack
skulduggeryatwork ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:50:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โYeah Iโve been to prison. Know what they call me in prison? They call me Chainsaw Dave. Do YOU really wanna find out why they call me that?โ
โNo sir Mister Chainsaw, sir.โ
applesauceyes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:53:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My whole life people joke that I'll be the one to snap and kill of bunch of people. I laugh it off, but really, I'm a pretty nice guy. Most of the time.
I do kind of resent the serial killer and mass murder jokes though. I don't want to "Columbine" anyone just because they are a bit exhausting for me to deal with socially.
I'm more of an eye for an eye guy. No reason to hurt an innocent.
[deleted] ยท 1001 points ยท Posted at 15:52:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Burboto ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chainsaw Dave is so hard even Sprog has written a poem about him. WOW.
Sprog- Thank you for doing what you do. Reading that piece will likely be the best part of my day.
zidanetribal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:39:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...that's when the man looked for his Louis L'Amour book as a gift to offer and then gasped with shock
For the book was gone and there stood Chainsaw Dave with a smile and his exposed cock.
fideli_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're starring in your own biopic!
APUSHMeOffACliff ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:53:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I found you
xaanthar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I read that in this tone of voice...
Rancor_Keeper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would sound better with the Tenacious JB.
barantana ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:39:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of what? Other than that: nice one!
jiibbs ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
everyone's a god damn critic
barantana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just found the "instead" odd but didn't want to sound negative, because it is impressive!
ContrarianDouche ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:54:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha awesome!!!
dsf900 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Hope you have earplugs,' he said -
'My story will amaze.'
'I grind my teeth when I'm in bed.'
'So they call me Chainsaw Dave'
stenvg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
Okioter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roses are red, Violets are blue, I wanna share my word with you: pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Yes it is real, I found it in a book, Though don't be silly, it ain't the Babadook. I hope you live long... and prosper. Thank you Sprog, for all that you offer.
FirstOnTheMoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are my top 4 favourite accounts Iโve recognized multiple times on reddit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:23:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone give this man the best blowjob he ever had.
LayDoubt221 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, this is my favorite!
richb0i ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love that fresh poem smell!
wargasm40k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo
ninjakitty7 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโve been busy today I see :)
WhitestTrash ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will you please compile a book of these?! I'll buy it.
Redhotjazzinyourface ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i read this in the voice of Johnny Cash
Time_splitter ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:03:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ily you're my favorite celebrity behind some transgender pornstars <3
whose_butt_hurts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't fuck with a chainsaw, Dave.
TalisFletcher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of those times punctuation is very important.
evil_fungus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For real that's a badass nickname
Bartholomew_schnabel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So donโt shit while Chainsaw Dave sleeps.
Houndovhell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Woah how'd he get that name?"
"I heard he eats people in his sleep"
dogfish83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd buy power tools from one
joemiller02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Here's Chainsaw Dave, he is in here for tax evasion and he grinds his teeth."
LashingFanatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you gotta say it like this
CHAAAAINSAAW DAVE
NoImGaara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey have you heard of Chainsaw Dave"
"no who is he"
"Oh he just grinds hid teeth in his sleep"
"Could have told me that before I freaked the fuck out"
sorenkair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't wanna mess with the Caveman.
bestjakeisbest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
probably shouldn't rape chainsaw dave either, you might not be a man afterwards.
Real_Adam_Sandler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard he grinds his victims ' teeth
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnโt fuck with a Chainsaw at all.
Taffythecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't fuck with a Chainsaw, Dave...
Gus_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Righteous
bodhbh_dearg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed!
They_call_me_Jubi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And certainly never in the mouth
Inquisitive_idiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
gnaw man, ain't worth it.
StaleTheBread ยท 745 points ยท Posted at 15:41:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I take it a lot of prison nicknames are like that.
What you probably have to look out for those with the less threatening sounding nickname.
โWhy do they call him โMinute Maidโ?โ โโCause heโll beat the pulp out of you.โ
I donโt know; Iโve never been to prison.
Stooby2 ยท 724 points ยท Posted at 16:52:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's the classic line from "Porridge"- a 1970's comedy show set in a British prison.
Fletcher - "You get a lot of nicknames in here. There's 'arsenic' for one."
Godber - "ooh is he a poisoner?"
Fletcher - "nah, he sat on a razor blade."
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:21:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think itโs arsenic = arse nick = he got like a nick on his ass? Like a cut. But I also have no clue.
Lumisara ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:34:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's it.
WhovianMomma21 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:03:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never would have figured that out being American and pronouncing it "arse-eh-nic"
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:16:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oy he nicked 'is arse ya bloody rag
scantreward ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:51:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the guy with no ears, lugless Douglas.
TigLyon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:04:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From a scene in The Super with Joe Pesci:
"That over there is the Milkman"
"So, uh, why do they call you Milkman?"
"Cuz I kill'd da milkman"
"....ohhhhh....."
dinosaurus104 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't exactly the milkman... he's the one you send to kill the fuckin' milkman.
TVK777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Moomoo Yaga
moonieshine ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for a weekend in a country ass town, and they called me Patel because one kid thought I was Indian... (Hint: I'm not)
masnaer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, White Power Bill's got dirty ears... hey guys! Dirty Ears Bill!"
AlternativeJosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They called me Hacker or Genius when I was behind the fence. White and college educated... go figure.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:17:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Scariest dude I ever met had the nickname 'Janitor'
juanius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Fuck I choked on my granola bar.
UntoldEnt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:59:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
White Power Bill's got dirty ears. Hey guys! Dirty Ears Bill!
brunchbros ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 16:06:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? In for 2 weekends and comes out of the slammer with a nickname like Chainsaw Dave.
Chainsaw Dave, are you friends with Mustache Manny?
Twinky_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he gave him a mustache ride
billiards-warrior ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't wanna be open mouth dave
VictorVaughan ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:11:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be da belle of da ball
thesexymexi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm prison Mike!
MistroHen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt drop the soap donโt drop the soap!
VictorVaughan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kissing sounds kissing sounds kissing sounds
PooPooDooDoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"You got a blowjob while escaping the cops? We're going to call you Blowjob Brian"
"Fuck."
TinFoilRobotProphet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You dont want to open anything for that matter.
PooPooDooDoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:43:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Ch.. Chainsaw Dave? Holy shit dude, did you fucking murder people with a chainsaw?!"
"Let's just say that to this very day it still haunts my sleep"
Fr33Paco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
one of the first times, I got locked up. I was given the name Wallstreet, because when I went to court I didn't know I was getting locked up. Usually go to court in a suit and tie, works out often times to my benefit. Anyway, judge ordered either community service or jail time. I chose jail time and well was locked up.
When I was going through processing I was asked all kinds of questions. Being that I also wear glasses and told people I workd with computers, I was given that name. Still use it as a handle sometimes.
DarkestXStorm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm jealous, If I'm honest
wooktrees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really surprised it's not his username.
Nuttin_Up ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a corrections officer at a state prison for 26 years. Inmates can be very creative when giving nicknames. Just a few from the top of my head: Hamburger, Woody (killed someone with a baseball bat), Big Dummy, Tree, Cowboy, Tex, Mississippi, Pineapple, Snowflake and French Fry.
spaghatta111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, shit ain't mundane. I grind my teeth during the day, involuntarily. They say that if you grind during the day, no doubt you do it at night. There are days where my jaw feels like it did during my teenage braces days. Bruxism is no fun.
Newrandomthrwaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard a person grind their teeth in their sleep? One of the worst sounds I've ever heard. Nickname sounds appropriate, to me at least.
futlapperl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I almost always grind my teeth lightly. It's probably anxiety related. People never complain though.
Newrandomthrwaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yours is fine because you're conscious of it. When my friend is sleeping, he doesn't realize how badly he's grinding. He really goes at it. It sounds like bones grating and crunching really loudly. This is what it sounds like. I think it sounds quieter because it's in a video, but it's terrible to hear in person and louder than you'd think (depending on how hard the person grinds too).
Lastilaaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a military refresher about six months ago, there was one guy in our tent who kept grinding his teeth in his sleep.
That sound was one of the worst I have ever heard. It made me squirm and cringe involuntarily.
alliwantismyusername ยท 349 points ยท Posted at 14:20:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My prison name would probably be something like short stick.
thefootlessfetus ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 14:36:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi nice to meet you Iโm short stick
beerdude26 ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 15:06:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
(It's because he comes in close with his shiv when he's gonna stab ya. People watching from afar might mistake it for a hug, even.)
Blunt-as-a-cunt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Assumed it was for small peen
MoreDetonation ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:36:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of prison nicknames are like this
FigNewtonium ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:09:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what happens when you mess with Chainsaw Dave.
zidanetribal ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Don't misbehave or the last thing you see is Chainsaw Dave'
hogimusPrime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that is actually a Jim Croce song.
seanboxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They call me shorts dick... I have to wear pants now.
ImGoinDisWaaaay ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:54:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine would be 'Pee Pants' or 'Cried The Whole Weekend'.
slashcleverusername ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All you want is your prison name.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We'll change that to 'Wide Hole' real quick
PooPooDooDoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You eat one pigs in a blanket during the cellblock holiday party and now youre microdick mark.
DexterJameson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine would be Lil Snappy
ChristopherNotChris ยท 526 points ยท Posted at 15:30:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like nobody is asking so maybe I'm just stupid, but can you please explain what this is?
[deleted] ยท 559 points ยท Posted at 15:37:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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FairlyAcceptable ยท 1129 points ยท Posted at 16:12:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They send him to jail to scare him.
He came out as "Chainsaw Dave".
Its their turn to be scared now.
generica_ccount ยท 568 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They put him in to teach him a lesson...
Now they're wishing they never let him out.
CHAINSAW DAVE
coming this summer...
drizzlead ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:50:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd see this
Catalyst8487 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:10:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this another Rob Schneider film?
Hazza40 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:03:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rob Schneider is... A CHAINSAW!
wannabesq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's not cool enough for that. Maybe the chainsaw sharpener?
trevvybear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me!"
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marvel pls make this a character
KingOfKingsKevin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my mind, the person who says this is the guy from Smosh Game's Epic Game Trailers.
TXDRMST ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am the one who shocks.
sppratam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm not locked up in here with you - you're locked up in here with me!" - Chainsaw Dave
KingreX32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God that sounds like the tag line for some Grindhouse film. Directed by Quentin Tarantino or Robert Rodriguez.
Time_on_my_hands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like pretty standard US prison and reinstitution procedure.
orange775 ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 15:40:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking convulsive shock therapy :O
IntrepidusX ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:49:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what I thought.
GrandmasHere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I was thinking, dang, my brother had his done in a hospital!
StrongMedicine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad such tactics are ineffective at best, and at worst, may make things worse: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-turn-around-troubled-teens/
(Article specifically discusses data for teens, but doesn't seem that unreasonable to extrapolate to adults in the absence of conflicting data in that population.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like there is a real high risk of that backfiring. Seems like an US thing to do.
Loser100000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... sounds like it didnโt work too well.
AlShadi ยท 354 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they put you in the electric chair, but on a low setting.
TheWhiteFalcon ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 16:01:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Light broil.
MycoBro ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Set it and forget it
CreativeCorinne ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:38:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
griller et l'oublier
bugsecks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:41 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tasty.
trueschoolalumni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More of a slow cooker, methinks.
Bozzz1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's some crisp lasagna
SgtGears ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:03:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just pass the "massage" setting?
Dascandy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like an electric blanket, really....
STRaYF3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:43 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let it simmer for a bit
UnshadedEurasia001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I didn't know the sponge was s'posed to be wet."
DookieDemon ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:38:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a very minor jail sentence that the judge hopes will get the offender to stop fucking up. Maybe for a probation violation or something. Just guessing here.
KawiNinjaZX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gimme gimme shock treatment I wanna wanna shock treatment.
Thatmyopinion989 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
-_-
throwawayaccounthe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNRopIJRgo
MyParentsAre_Cousins ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 15:04:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Short of having a pooper right by your head, sounds like you joined the army and were at basic.
[deleted] ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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OhNoTokyo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well he did point out that there was no pooper by his head.
They get you by telling you about jail, and then tell you how the Army is actually slightly better than jail. You enlist out of sheer relief.
psychosociopathic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then you wind up halfway across the world, trying to find a place in your scrapehole where you haven't already buried a shit that was more than likely taken while you were on your back.
Yog-Nigurath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because his parents are cousins.
MyParentsAre_Cousins ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:57:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That requires a bit of mistruths.
kooarbiter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But he is an honest one
XGX787 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I assume the ay is army, but why the abbreviation?
MyParentsAre_Cousins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't supposed to be. It was a typo
XGX787 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay, thought it mightโve been that.
ISeeTheFnords ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps he's The Fonz?
Razzakx ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 16:11:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This reason alone is why I can never go to jail.
vinylpanx ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:56:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It just made me realize why people like top bunk
companion86 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:37:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I held mine for a week. Got out in a week. Post jail poop was terrible. I thought I'd gotten out of jail just to die on the toilet.
RS177 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:28:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you manage to hold for a week without shitting yourself?
companion86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:40:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was pregnant and I hate onions. Everything in our county jail contained onions. If you were pregnant, in TX, you get a "pregnancy snack" it was usually a peanut butter sandwich or a bologna sandwich (or cheese) and a little carton of milk. All I ate in there was whatever bread came with the meal, the milk that came with each of my meals, and a peanut butter sandwich each day... I believe the peanut butter gummed up the works.
RS177 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:44:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did your child turn out?
companion86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:58:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She's wonderful. I had gotten a marijuana possession charge the previous year and had made the mistake of telling my PO when I got pregnant and by whom. He was a felony so they revoked me and I had to sit in jail for a week before they made a deal with me to go to an extended stay, rehab facility. I agreed bc I was not willing to sit out my sentence and keep the charge on my record or have you daughter in jail just to give her up to family after 2 days... So I was able to make a deal.
It helped that I hadn't smoked for a year and had already been following the rules for the most part so rehab wasn't too bad. I was able to find a facility in Austin, TX that accepted pregnant mother's and mothers of preschool aged children. It was odd spending my last trimester there, but it was good for me bc I learned a lot.
NotMyThrowawayNope ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:06:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rehab for marijuana? Sounds a little harsh, doesn't it?
companion86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not in my County.
NotMyThrowawayNope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God, that's awful
gwlemaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:05 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shittiest violation filing I have ever heard.
electraglideinblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you! :) I had to sit for two weekends over decade back (driving while suspended), amd I happened to be pregnant. I was given graham crackes as well as allowed to have ice. They'd give me a 5lb bag a day and i'd drink my water with it. Otherwise I let it sit in my sink and melt, sometimes the others would trade me their fruit for a scoop.
userdeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Onions.
PooPooDooDoo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:49:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cellmate would murder me after taco night.
Brigon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:01:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even like pooping in the same house as family or friends.
TheReplacer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:30:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. There is nothing more that scares me about doing the right thing then having a toilet 2ft from your bed.
Twinky_D ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd get sore from fapping to all those sweet plops
ActualHumanAMA ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, why would you go to jail for shock treatment?
[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 15:50:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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WhichAssignment ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did friends or work know/find out? Assuming you were employed.
zidanetribal ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:38:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah. my friends had to bail me out originally and then work knew about it, but then again i worked in a callcenter at the time, so half the staff and mgmt had been to jail at one point in their lives lol.
i was able to keep it from my parents for a long time somehow.
TheFire_Eagle ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:06:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh Davey's going camping....again...by himself..."
chbay ยท -51 points ยท Posted at 17:46:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I hope you get your life together soon man. I don't even have symapathy for child molesters, much less DUIs.
zidanetribal ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol, that shit was back in 02 and i was in college. i have a wife, nice job, and a beautiful daughter now. sometimes i drink, but i thank god for uber everytime i do. i havent drank and drive since college.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:08:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, /u/chbay still doesnโt have to show you any sympathy, but who really gives a shit what some dude on the internet thinks.
Sounds like youโre doing well for yourself and hope it stays that way for yourself and your family.
4-stars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but have you drunk and driven?
TheFire_Eagle ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:06:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK, this is just a certifiably weird sentence.
CrazyEddie041 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:57:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good to know you've got such high standards...?
ActualHumanAMA ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:43:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, at least child molesters are too young to know what they are doing.
WhynotstartnoW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:51:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you consider drunk drivers as worse criminals than child diddlers?
I mean I have no lost feelings when drunk drivers have their license taken away and get locked up for a bit, but I wouldn't put them lower on the sympathy deserving spectrum than child molesters, like your sentence structure is insinuating.
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I mean I don't really have a problem with throwing a drunk driver in a cell for a few days really, but subjecting them to the whole treatment of strip searches and that is inhumane. Like get some drunk tanks with cots and stuff and just put them in with a clean boiler suit or their own clothes if they want.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:54:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should get a mouth piece. Grinding can cause some issues.
zidanetribal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:00:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wear a mouth piece now thank god. I got tired of waking up and my jaw hurting.
ThrowmeawayAKisCold ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:26:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Grinding your teeth is often a warning sign for sleep apnea. The forward grinding and clenching action forces your airway open. Itโs often accompanied by snoring. If you grind your teeth and often wake up with headaches, or oversleep, or find sleep not very restful thereโs a good chance you suffer from sleep apnea. You should get seen by a doctor to figure out if you need a sleep study. Should you have sleep apnea, youโll want to know early. It can screw up your mind and your life.
Supa_Cold_Ice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I apparently grind my teeth but don't have any of the other symptoms you described. Know anything else that can cause that?
CoconutMochi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:36:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the actual term for teeth grinding is bruxism, some people just have it for some unknown reason. In others it might be because the jaw and teeth are misaligned, might be a reason to get braces
Supposedly stress can exacerbate it.
Supa_Cold_Ice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah Okie, maybe I'll just get a mouthpiece like people above are suggesting
NotMySeventhAcct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was grinding my teeth from anxiety and possibly from some SSRI's I'm taking.
pethatcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can it cause headaches?
zidanetribal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i never got headaches myself, just the feeling that my jaw needed to keep moving. hard to explain. best thing i can compare it to is how your jaw feels after a line of coke, but without the coke effects.
Yodamanjaro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling you're not talking about lining up Coca Cola cans...
brettmjohnson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, cutting out caffeine helped a lot with my grinding. I was drinking a six-pack of Coca Cola a day.
BattleAxeNelson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, before my mouth guard I would often wake up with headaches. Now I can't fall asleep without the guard and I'm pretty much headache free.
If you wake up with headaches, talk to your dentist about concerns from grinding your teeth.
Mouthguards from Walgreens are good though if you just want to try that out for a few weeks.
pethatcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, that settles it. I never knew there were guards for that, now thanks to this thread, I do!
I am so far from Walgreens, you cannot imagine, haha. I am also quite far from usd 1000 dentist guards mentioned by the original commenter, which is nice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any pharmacy will have a grind guard (sometimes called night guards)
brettmjohnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. A dozen crowns are very expensive. I wear a mouth guard now.
Valdrax ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:03:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I love FFIX, but how is Chainsaw Dave not your username everywhere?
(Oh right, it probably reminds you of a really crappy time in your life.)
ohenry78 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:25:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, I'd be murdered shortly after getting in to prison.
I had my gallbladder taken out, and while this is generally not noticeable, a side effect has been that 20 minutes after eating breakfast I have a nasty, liquidy poop that smells horrible. It's like clockwork since the surgery. My cellmates would kill me :(
affordable_firepower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. I'm due to have mine be out this year (after some more important stuff). Normally, i have breakfast and then drive to work. 40 minutes away.
ohenry78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck! :D
HoodButNerdish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah youโd be good. You have to leave your cell for breakfast (like 5am). You just gotta be the first one back in the bunk after chow so you can hurry up and drop your liquidy deuce before your celly comes back!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone once introduced himself to me as "Chainsaw Pete."
I told him that I'd call him "Dildo Joe," if we are going to do dumbass nicknames.
That was the start to an interesting weekend.
GeneralLeeRetarded ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this guy named Gabe got hired, first day he introduces himself as "Spike" to everyone. Come lunch everyones wondering "so where did this spike nickname come from?" "Well all my buddies had cool nicknames so just started calling myself Spike because i think its cool" "You dont get to make your own nickname, Shitstain.." (he had this patch of dirt all over the back of his pants) Called him shitstain up until he got fired for sitting on the job too much lol
Ikillmunchkins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did he live up to his new name then?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did he ever.
wink
PENAPENATV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you meet Taserface as well?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of idiot calls themselves Tazerface?
CaptCaCa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hated going back and forth to court. Leaving: get in line, get naked, spread your cheeks, lift up your sack. Coming back: get in line, get naked, spread your cheeks, lift up your sack. Humilitating for sure. Talk about shrinkage. Thank god it was only male COs doing that job.
crymson7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love the nickname!
Just going to leave this here, hopefully it will give you a good laugh:
The_Machine
zidanetribal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmao, this guy is hilarious
crymson7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is awesome and I can't watch that video anywhere near work...I break into full blown belly laughing and giggles for the rest of the day. I have a huge creepy smile on my face right now just thinking about it. The whole story is beyond hilarious.
TurtlePowerU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice one Andy!
lonesome_god ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for Louis Lamour
zidanetribal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
literally all they had available besides bibles.
lonesome_god ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read this book?
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ha, no. i couldnt tell ya what book it was. something about a cowboy who had to save a lady or something. there was a river in the story, but then again i am probably describing every LL book.
floragolden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do they do about people that snore terribly while in jail? Does everyone want to fight them?
pregnantbaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All they need to do to scare people from going to jail (though being locked up with no escape would be a deterrent) is feed them the food. Gad that was some nasty fucking food
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ham sandwhiches, no mayo or mustard. koolaid or some type of fruit punch, maybe a cookie, and some canned green beans.
savage meals i tell ya.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He used to be Chainsaw Dave before he went to his dentist. Now he's Mouthpiece Dave
exoxe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That teeth grinding probably kept dicks out of your mouth while you slept, so it probably wasn't a horrible sleeping habit.
PumpkinMacchiato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they make you cough after you spread your ass?
zidanetribal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in case you have anything shoved up there. when you cough, you asshole sort of prolapses (sort of maybe?). anyways, this way they can see if you are holding any bags of drugs up there.
PumpkinMacchiato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay... thanks. Anyone know if you can sleep in while in prison? Like, can you just sleep all day and do nothing?
NotMySeventhAcct ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:47:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think all prisons have a rigid schedule, including an early wake up time for breakfast.
areyouinsanelikeme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:41:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like electroshock therapy? Why did you have to go to jail? Also do they really still do this?
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GeneralLeeRetarded ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That show scared straight was so fake. While there are dick inmates i almost gurantee they wouldnt treat the avg new guy like that lol, buddy made a lot of friends and learned how to be a better dealer:/
areyouinsanelikeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok, thx.
rahtin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to share a room with a coworker when we would work out of town, and he almost murdered me for my bruxism. I'm amazed they let you keep your teeth, I can't imagine that annoyance going over too well with real criminals.
bananas_and_hoes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you gone to a dentist and gotten a nightguard since? Grinding your teeth can really fuck them up and cause a lot of future problems.
Zer_0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was chainsaw dave already taken? Thatโs a good username.
pethatcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for teaching me about mouthguard existence. I will ask about it at my dentist's, I grind my teeth and I think I am ruining them.
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use Plackers Grind No More. You can get them on Amazon and I cannot imagine life without them anymore. A dentist might try to sell you on a $1000 mouthguard, but of course ill let you make that decision.
Plackers says to use about 3 nights before throwing them out, but I can easily get a week out of one gaurd, so a package can easily last me 3 months.
pethatcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You, sir, are an angel. Thank you so much! Are all guards one size?
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes, basically a one size fits all. try it and you will be amazed at how they look after one night. i was surprised how much i actually chew or grind in my sleep. plus they dont cost too much.
Scooopiii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That actually sounds like two lovely weekends.
zidanetribal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it wasnt too bad tbh. Then again I was just in the same block as people who are being detained or have to serve a few months. You are definitely not mixed up with any serious offenders like murders or rapists.
Scooopiii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's never the case that you get put in the same block with murderers or rapists for minor things.
LayDoubt221 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
chainsaw dave is totally a badass nickname
Dadothegreat23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want to go to prison now
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
im sure jail is much better than prison lol. i dont even want to think about prison vs jail.
Dadothegreat23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is the difference, in my city there is only prison/jail (idk the difference)
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
from what i understand, jail is there for short holdings and people who cant make bail and are awaiting to see a judge or sentencing. prison is for after the fact, where you go to for when the judge sentences you. but i am not entirely sure.
Dadothegreat23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay i think here we hold people in police stations until the judge decides
zidanetribal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
we have that as well. its called the pit and people are held there if the police know they can be released on bail. otherwise, they get transfered into the jail until they can see a judge.
SkidsWithGuns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should check to see if you have sleep apnea. I grinded teeth for years before I found out it was due to sleep apnea.
them_app1es ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That nickname is the bomb. I grind my teeth loud as shit too, according to my gf. Maybe I should get my ass to jail.
Messisfoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all this time I thought you meant electroshock therapy.
anchoriteksaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My jail name was stinky cause I farted in my sleep
DemiGod9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the movie Holes for some reason
Unaveragecreatures ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Shit you heard what chainsaw dave did last night?"
Dolewhip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dude I thought shock treatment was like electroshock therapy
trevynstegall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Id be Long-Balled Johnny
mapletreeoak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have to ask. Where are you from?
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this was in missouri
mapletreeoak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Iโm impressed. Good on you for not falling into the trap, and apparently good on the US prison system. I didnโt think that they had the judgement.
lucky_harms458 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spread your butthole and cough. Sounds like MEPS
lmbb20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a night guard? Look at richy rich.. I was quoted $600 for the top and $400 for the bottom with insurance
shortsonapanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you me in the future, man? I, according to family, grind my teeth, really, really, really loud. And I recently got a little plastic retainer that was a mould of my teeth, and I tore that in a few places.
youonlyliveonce123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weekend Warriors
yolo_lol_wut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Louis L'Amours taught me to enjoy reading for fun as a kid.
TouchDads ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was is a pretty minor crime? My cousin was given the shock treatment and had to go to jail on the weekends for two years. She committed fraud while running her daycare (lied about how many kids she watched and for how long to get more money from the government). I think she shouldโve just been sent to prison.
cLitty_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why chainsaw dave isn't your username is beyond me
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
final fantasy 9 is my favorite game of all time and so i went with the protagonist. sadly, /u/chainsawdave looks to be taken. set up 7 months ago, but zero activity.
Explain yourself /u/chainsawdave
PromptCritical725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the submarine, we liked to yell, "Hit 'er in the shitter!" during love scenes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me you got a chainsaw jail tattoo??
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sadly i did not. i probably should, maybe on my neck?
LoneTempleGuard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the bit about people not minding going back for a few months a year reminds me of every season of Trailer Park Boys
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol right!? like that episode where ricky gets out just before christmas and is pissed as hell. that was fucking hilarious.
JaaanKladiVanDamage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You were treated more humane the military applicants. Consider yourself lucky.
stackhat47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stats show it desensitises young people to prison.
Glad it worked for you though... and that you werenโt there long
poisonedsaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do grind your fucking teeth loud!! Source: inmate sleeping next to you
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ayy lmao, my man Hector, what's up?
notthepanther ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take care of that mouth guard. I broke mine last night... While sleeping... For grinding my teeth...
mrsxpando ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So true about the Louis Lamour books. Iโm a librarian and I used to liaise between the public library and the county jail. Always, always, more requests for Lamour. I even tried to get some of them to read something else but many preferred to read Lamour books over and over. Haiku and cookbooks were also popular. And true crime novels
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's so interesting. probably because they are easy reads and his books are readily available anywhere.
myst3r10us_str4ng3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what? Maybe I missed it but why are they sending inmates to shock therapy? Is this at all real, or common? Where is this at?
BustyJerky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you said shock treatment I thought you were sent to some mental asylum like in the movies. I was wondering if that shit really happened.
As for your edit, I was excited when I saw "To answer what shock treatment is, the judge will usually" and then it went downhill from there :( -- it didn't fit my theory
Rnorman3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We knew a dude whose nickname was Chainsaw Colwell.
But he got his nickname from a story of him pulling anal beads out of his girlfriend really quickly, like he was trying to rip-start a chainsaw.
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
from what i understand is that is a dangerous game, as in it can release the floodgates.
ExoticDrakon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You even got a jail nickname Sounds like you truly got the full experience
carsonator40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What country was this in?
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i live in the states. this was missouri. fairly common from what i understand.
lancesurethust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3 years of corrections work and he basically summed it up... at least jail life. Prison is similar just more sodomy.
kshucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to boot camp but not jail. To be honest, from what you explained (aside from the getting naked, spreading asshole and coughing), they sound similar.
TrivialAntics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shock. You were so lucky.
xyentist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't Chainsaw Dave your handle?
ne2411is ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so you read the same book dozens of times in a row.
vdogg89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL shock therapy doesn't mean getting small shocks in an electric chair.
Twinky_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't use a night guard and had to drop $12g for my busted as toofs!!!!
SusanCalvinsRBF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work in a used bookstore, we had one guy come in regularly and buy almost all our Louis L'Amours because there was such high demand for them in prisons- he donated them. I was always a bit surprised by that.
Mandalorianfist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more interested in if people still call you chainsaw Dave and why it's not your username
zidanetribal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i still have select friends who call me that, but the novelty has sort of died off and i dont talk to many of them anymore. man, i dont know on the username, should of took it, but i was a huge ff9 fan at that the time.
Mandalorianfist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well to me you will always be chainsaw dave
Radioactdave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Careful, mouth guards can alter how your neck/jaw muscles get loaded when you but down, which may result into neck pain and problems with vertebrae and discs. So if you develope neck pain/problems, take the mouth into account.
Thunder-Squid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
EXCUSE ME? BITCH YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CALL ME IN THE CLINK?! CHAINSAW DAVE!! WANNA KNKW WHY? I grind my teeth
bainpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you like the Louis Lamour books?
RC_COW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your highschool friend was trying to make you come back so hed have a friend in there with you.
GoHurtMyFeelings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo got a late breakfast. Our breakfast was at 3:30 am in CCDC.
DarthWeenus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is typically just adult indoor summer camp. It's really nothing but gambling, masterbaiting, eating wild canteen creations, working out and reading. All I did was work out and read, plus so many obscure card games. Idk if it's a shock really. I guess it depends on where this jail is: cook county Ill? Fuck that, Dade county lol fuck that too. But most places are fairly chill, so long as ur not having sex with children u should be alright.
suicidebylifestyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you wear a mouth guard? when i first read your post I thought it was ECT.
AlaWyrm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Note to self: if I ever find myself in prison, grind my teeth every night to get a cool, threatening nickname.
Vid-Master ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is really cool that you figured out the teeth grinding from there
Silver linings
Caedro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FF9 was dope
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best of the series imo
Caedro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been trying to scratch that itch and havenโt been able to find a game for years. Just started trails of cold steel and I really like it. Any other good suggestions?
The_Great_Curve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what movies did they put on in prison?
zidanetribal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna say it was The Rundown with The Rock
The_Great_Curve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ohh that's a good movie
TehVestibuleRefugee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chainsaw Dave is pretty badass.
preciousgloin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the lights are always on....
Heisse_Scheisse ยท 6126 points ยท Posted at 15:50:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was sentenced to jail for 3 months and did 67 days. Relentless anxiety for the months leading up to it, and then within like 10 minutes of being there I knew it was going to be fine. Walked into a room with like 30 dudes watching the prices is right. One person I knew from high school, two people I knew from college. The dorm had a cappuccino, snack, and soda vending machine.
Probably like 70% of the people there were barflys doing a couple months for their second DUI
20% non-violent, small time, drug dealers (me)
10% dads who couldn't(edit: /won't) pay child support
I worked in the kitchen for 12 hours a day, slept for 8, watched TV for 4.
srcarruth ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did a couple weeks in County and it was mostly tweakers who were doing their annual detox. It wasn't so bad because it was the calmest and chillest they ever were in their normal lives. One guy even made a big speech (turned off the TV) when he heard something racist "We all gotta fucking live here together"
edit: spelling
stickstickley87 ยท 4469 points ยท Posted at 17:20:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always boggle at the fucked up modern day debtors prison that puts dads in jail for not paying child support. โYou canโt pay your child support? Well good luck now you piece of shit!โ The logic is amazing.
redeemer47 ยท 2645 points ยท Posted at 17:36:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Your kid needs money for clothes and food but you cant pay so you're being sent a place where you will continue not being able to pay and when you get out you will have a hella hard time finding a job. The main loser in this situation is the child.
lolcat216 ยท 504 points ยท Posted at 18:22:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine from a therapy group was telling me that when he did a stint for a DUI he was surrounded by guys that didn't pay child support and that they actually knock off $40 per day that they're in there. I didn't think anything of it at the time but now I wonder if the state pays that to the provider of the child or what actually happens.
SparkyDogPants ยท 493 points ยท Posted at 18:57:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm almost 100% positive that the mother does not get that money
lolcat216 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:08:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I googled a little bit and found an article stating that in 2017 they made changes to the "rules" and it "allows states to set realistic child support amounts so that noncustodial parents don't accumulate debt they can't afford and get stuck in a cycle of incarceration." But so far I haven't found anything about them being able to knock already acquired debt off. Who knows maybe it was just someone talking out of their ass. You know..cause they're bored..in prison. I'm kind of wondering about this whole thing now so I may search around tonight a bit more.
justdrowsin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:42:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When a parent doesnโt pay their support, the state will start paying.
But then they go after the delinquent party.
This can lead to prison.
oneawesomeguy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The state will not start paying. The person not paying child support can be sent to jail for contempt of court, if they are not complying with a court order.
onlypositivity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The state definitely pays in Ohio. Perhaps it is by state?
oneawesomeguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Child support is regulated by each state (with some federal laws involved as well, for example when parents live in different states). I'm not familiar with Ohio and I'm sure you are right.
Bmc169 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:33 on March 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The state definitely does not pay in Indiana, or at least we never got anything.
frankstur ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:20:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad died when I was 20 and when I was 18 he owed me around 20,000 in child support that a judge wrote off. Well when he died I got a lawyer to write up a letter to the state stating I had a right to that money and what not, I never got to read it. But anyways when he died he was approved for social security money and I got all the money he owed in child support sent to me in a check. It was amazing because my mother never spent a dime of it when he did pay on me. I never was allowed to ask for anything it was always a no. Iโm glad she didnโt get all that money and I did in the end. But I do realize Iโm one of very few who have been able to get the backpay.
GrumpySarlacc ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:37:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can verify, had a deadbeat dad who didn't pay a cent for 15 years and was in jail for a good portion of that
onlypositivity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The mother gets money whether you pay or not. The state collects arrears from you. They're paying the state with their time, but Mom already got the money.
SparkyDogPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My sister definitely never got her child support back payments
onlypositivity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah someone else in this thread helped me understand it's done by state. In Ohio, my ex was paid by the state and I owed the state the back payments.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt. From personal experience with my step dad and his ex wives.
fckth3systm ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:57:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am assuming this is a case by case thing. Also, to go to jail for child support, you have to be pretty far in the rears. My best friend has a terrible situation where his ex will not work with him on anything, so he ended up behind on child support. He started a company and the first 1year it was open he made about 30% less in income than usual because he was having to get the business off the ground. When your income changes by 20% in my state you can petition to have your child support lowered. He did....the county didn't do it. As a result, he was paying a little over 50% of his income for child support while his ex-wife, who lived with their child at her parents place and had never worked a day in her life, lived over 500 miles a way and never let her travel to see him when she asked, except for the 6 weeks out of the summer he had custody .
Realizing he needed to get the business going so he could realistically support himself and his child, he called his ex and she agreed, to everyone's shock and amazement, on a flat amount each month that he could live with and she could live with, that was significantly lower than what he had been paying. He contacted his lawyer, said that if the courts agreed, they could suspend the child support at her request. Well, as you can guess, she never did officially make the request. She called, but she never officially signed off on it. So for 2 years she let his support payment debt rack up, all while taking his checks and instantly cashing them. She then goes to the courts, tells them that he hasn't been going through the proper channels to make payments, that he has been trying to convince her to take the small amount that he was sending her directly and that she was going to sue him for the amount he owed. Which she did. He even had proof of the agreement, but she denied the signature, or something like that, was hers. The county then threatened to throw him in jail so when he drove down to the courts he literally asked to be taken to jail so he wouldn't have to deal with this anymore. I could run his business for a few months or so, he could get time served and be done with it. He very nearly begged in court and was told he couldn't do that, even though that's the threat they used. They would not send him to jail at all no matter how he pleaded. So, while they did deduct what he had been paying her directly from what he now owed, that just barely covered all of the fines and fees they then hit him with which would very easily have been MUCH more than $40 a day. I can almost guarantee that they wouldn't throw him in jail just so the county could collect those fees for themselves. It's so surreal. Here by buddy is, a highly successful business owner in a large city, had a lawyer, did great in school just to get out of his hometown where most people end up dead or in a gang and tried to honor all of his agreements with his drain on society ex.....and they threw the fucking book at him. It's sickening dude. He now has to make 2 child support payments...they still haven't adjusted his income, plus the payments for the fees and rear payments. All in all he's now paying about 65% of his income to his child support.
She literally calls him every month to make sure he's going to pay and ALWAYS reminds him that she can and has sued him and won already....don't make her do it again.
lolcat216 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow...reading this literally made my stomach knot up from thinking about the stress that he was going through with the new business alone and then I thought deeper into it about him just wanting to have a life he can be proud of and provide for his child legitimately. I really hope his business is doing well and he's able to say Yeah, I've got your money. Every month on time just to kind of give her a little mental shoulder nudge.
fckth3systm ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:14:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He does and it's as bittersweet as it sounds. It's really crushing to watch and actually cost him his current relationship because his girlfriend of 7 years was tired of dealing with it herself, tired of any bit of disposable income going to her and, in Texas, if you have ever been behind in child support enough to be taken to courts, you are not allowed to leave the country for a few years. They had been planning on taking a huge trip to Japan for years.
The silver lining is, as his daughter has grown and matured it has become obvious that she has much more respect for her father than for her mother and I think in the end all he really cares about is being the better example for her.
lolcat216 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:19:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn...it's just not right..and the saddest part about it is that I'm sure the ex doesn't even care. If anything it sounds like she'd have a laugh about it. It does sound like your friend is a resilient guy and will always make it and I'll always believe that after what he's had to go through.
fiftythree33 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/childfree
shanderdrunk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:02:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah no they don't. The state actually is spending money just to keep them in the jail. So yeah it's fucking stupid and defeats the purpose
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They knock off money from your fine, not your child support. It's not only adding up, they're stacking interest on top of it.
franklinDeeRose ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When a spouse that is paying child support goes to jail, the other parent applies for assistance from the government.
I've had people tell me they called the police on a deadbeat dad just so they could get the 240$/month because "it's better than nothing"
HerrBerg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So we can spend money on two people instead of one. Yay!
AnitaSnarkeysian ยท 1232 points ยท Posted at 18:00:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Place and People for women who cannot afford their child.
Place and people for men who cannot afford their child.
Ginnut ยท 751 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny that I pay several hundred pounds a month in child support and also bought clothes and shoes for them. When I got to see them, they would be dressed in shitty clothes and crap shoes. The mother's recycling bin would be full (and I mean fucking full) of prosecco bottles and boxes of Budweiser.
I risk going to jail for not paying her money but no one gives a shit what she spends it on.
cs_katalyst ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 18:46:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who is very wealthy but got divorced when he lived in cali. He has to pay a shitload of money every month in child / spouse support and is a great father to his kids when he sees them. The mom spends all her money to live a "trendy" lifestyle in the bay area in Cali and doesnt buy shit for the kids. He gets them in programs down there by directly paying for them to go and circumventing her.. It's dumb he cant even get his kids back because he's 1000000x the father figure than she is mother to them. They always show up to his place for visits in old shoes, clothes, etc when he sends thousands of dollars a month for them. So the only new stuff they ever get comes from their visits to him.. It makes me so mad
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 18:59:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lujanr32 ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My ex does this. Fuck her.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:41:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My husband's ex once sent my 9 year old stepdaughter here wearing size 4T shorts. I was livid. We got the message she was sending, but we didn't need it because we buy her nice clothes already. So, who lost in this situation? The child who had to walk around in uncomfortable shorts with her backside partly showing until we could get her home and changed, that's who.
I'm also divorced with kids and I would never even THINK of doing this to my kids. I will admit that before I met my husband, I had the idea that most women in these situations were doing the best they could while the men were mostly deadbeats. Then I met my husband and saw what he has to deal with... Talk about an eye opener. My kids hardly see their father (his choice), which is bad, but they are better off than my poor stepdaughter, who is used and manipulated every day by her mother.
cld8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:41:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is not a coincidence. Feminist groups and the popular media do their best to spread this stereotype.
Elcheer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll pass
MiserylC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do it! Or you will be pulled into the net as well.
lazy_rabbit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't send my daughter off with dirty, torn, homeless-esque clothes, but I'm not sending her off in her Sunday best, either. The nice clothes never come back; the nice, trendy clothes aren't cheap, either. But yeah, she's dressed in Wal-Mart chic whenever she goes with her dad.
You have to see things from both sides. But I'm luckier than many, I suppose. I have a great relationship with my exes family, so we coordinate to make sure everyone has nice clothes at their respective houses. He's just not super stable himself, so when he does have our daughter they spend a lot of time with his family.
We never went thru the courts (unmarried) and I've always tried to keep everything as civil as possible. I never asked for child support. What's good for him is good for my daughter; I loved him once and I'll always wish him the best in life.
Even though sometimes I'd like to just slap him upside the head...
jmartin21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone needs a smack upside the head from time to time. :)
SIDESHOW_B0B ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:39:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay my ex-wife $4,200 and change every month. The kids come to my weekends wearing THE SAME three raggedy-ass outfits. Basically sweat pants and sweat shirts, or crappy shorts and tees. Same ones. Every weekend.
I buy them clothes out of my own paycheck to wear so they don't look homeless when we go out of the house. เฒ _เฒ
TheProphecyIsNigh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:34:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the problem. California doesn't care about father figures. As long as a Mother is alive, she gets them. No matter how drugged out or crappy of a Mom she is.
cs_katalyst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah at least i mean she's not drugged out or anything, she just puts herself and her lifestyle first at the expense of the kids. It's uber frustrating.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Life has a way of catching up to people who've hurt others in some way or refuse to be responsible.
That mother is probably gonna end up being dumped by her children at her most vulnerable moment. And it won't even be because they hate her, it'll be because she never taught them to put others first.
cs_katalyst ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:35:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh i garuntee those kids will move up to where we live as soon as they hit 18 and can. The father is an awesome guy, he literally fly's down to cali every weekend almost to go to sporting events etc. just to get little bits of time in with them, or to make it to their bring their parent to school day etc. He also drives down there and takes them camping a ton as well, the mom is fine with having the dad take the kids on teh weekend if they're down there because then it frees her time up to go out and party with her "freinds"
KingPellinore ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 19:47:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In California, a kid can choose which parent to live with at 14.
So, I'm guessing you don't know what you're talking about.
cs_katalyst ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:49:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Orrr i dont live in Cali and the kids are 6 and 8.. I know them super well, so instead of 18 i garuntee you then will move up at 14... This doesnt change the situation at all.. You're just a dick, congratulations
KingPellinore ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:58:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're telling me that, in all of his time telling you all these details you're relaying to us here, your friend hasn't once mentioned when his kids can choose to live with him?
cs_katalyst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, because i've never asked and i dont like prying for more information than what he's willing to talk freely about.
edit: and i dont think he's probably brought it up because it wouldn't be for at least 8 more years
finandandy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:09:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe someone who doesn't live in California isn't totally up to date with their laws.
You know you don't always have to be an asshole, right? You can choose to share information without shitty passive aggressive quips.
KingPellinore ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:29:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There wasn't anything passive about it. It was a fairly direct accusation. If cs_katalyst is so familiar with every other minute detail of their buddy's custody situation, you don't think his buddy would have mentioned when his kids can decide to live with him?
I'm looking at the story with a critical mind. I'd say I'm sorry for not following along with the circle jerk, but I'm really not.
cs_katalyst ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not up to date with the Cali laws, and the kids are still young so it hasn't really been brought up with minute details as to when / what they're going to do at a certain point..
The fact of the matter is, the mom literally funds her lifestyle with spouse support / child support while doing the bare minimum for the kids. She didnt even move up to our state with him prior to the divorce because she wants to live in the Bay Area badly because that's where her freinds are (eventhough she has no job to root her there) which is part of the reason they separated.. He always was the provider for the entire family and since she refuses to move he has to pay spousal support along with child support for that area. The kids hardly even know their mom because she goes out with her friends all the time. They spend more quality time with their dad because he actually makes an effort to be there pretty much all the time that he can.
finandandy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're totally correct, my apologies. You were being an aggressive asshole. Sorry for the confusion.
KingPellinore ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If facts make me an asshole, I'm an asshole.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right.
finandandy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Facts don't make you an asshole, assuming you know more than everyone makes you an asshole.
Making assumptions about someone else's situation that you know next to nothing about, just because those assumptions fit some stupid narrative you've thoroughly bought into, makes you an asshole.
But more than anything, you are the one making you an asshole. A very slight change of attitude could have made your initial comment helpful, but instead you'd rather be the errant internet knight with a chip on your soldier. Good luck with that.
Ubiquitous-Toss ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:03:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The truly terrible crime is that family court favors keeping kids with the mothers regardless of age almost arbitrarily. Statistics show that the children of broken harms are far more likely to end up in criminal court and those raised by single mothers are almost twice as likely to commit suicide.
The effect of being raised by a single mother can be so profound I swear I can call it when I meet people now.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sources? Im genuinely interested to see. Considering divorce myself.
Ubiquitous-Toss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Due to lack of data its hard to compare fatherlessness to motherlessness but here is a nice article with a bundle of sources. I'll keep looking for the specific ones I mentioned in my comment. https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/18/533062607/poverty-dropouts-pregnancy-suicide-what-the-numbers-say-about-fatherless-kids
Obviously if you go to reddit for suggestions its pretty skewed as most people on it seem to see divorce as a get our jail free card. I would highly reccomend that any man considering divorce with children in the mix work very hard to improve himself and fix the family, not push it away. I have helped several friends through very similarly described situations and would be confident is saying their relationships and lives are better than they ever have been.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:46:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like your assumption that the husband needs to improve himself. As if it's always the guy's fault.
LethiasWVR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing has to be his fault for this to be good advice. In divorce court, the dude will need every edge he can get.
bufedad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:36:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The husband stands to lose the most, and the mothet gain the most fron divorce.
Ubiquitous-Toss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never meant to imply that it was always the guy's fault. People have often varied opinions on how relationships should work so I understand how that could be taken poorly. My comment was in fact directed directly to men and it suggests they work on themselves. The reason being that you cannot change others and even if you do they will resent you for it. By improving yourself you are displaying that you are to be valued. This can be a tool to change your partners outlook of you and also the way they act around you which can definitely improve both of your lives.
Tl;dr it might not be your fault but its just as much in your ability to try and fix it, therefore, your duty.
Ambralin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sad world we live in to have to focus so much on the manโs responsibility. And I do mean have, if you want to keep the children. Your advice is nothing but accurate in regards to a court of law, in this day and age, in the US.
Other than legally, I donโt believe staying together โfor the kidsโ is always a good option. Suffer yourself to keep the typical nuclear family together. Personally, there is no right option. Legally though, there sadly is.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not always the guy's fault, but the guy is the one who will be screwed over financially in case of a divorce (assuming he has a higher income), so he has more of an incentive to save the marriage.
greadhdyay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:28:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something about your interpretation about these studies seems off to me. So where are the fathers of all these kids of single mothers? Are the fathers in the picture or did they essentially physically and financially abandon their kids? What are the stats for kid's raised by single fathers?
bufedad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:38:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mothers are often allowed to prevent the father(s) from seeing their children.
There is a reason divorced men commit suicide ten times as much as divorced women.
greadhdyay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:22 on April 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're telling me that the American court allows this? From what I understand, a father can only be prevented from seeing his kid for an extended period of time if the court approves no visitation and for that to happen, the other parent will need to provide legitimate evidence that the father is unfit to parent. For a father to not even get supervised visitation, you would need proof that he is physically or sexually abusive towards the children or has an alcohol or drug addiction.
WTF are you even talking about??? How the fuck can a mother legally prevent the father from seeing his child? CALL THE POLICE! The police will give you a record of "Visitation Interference" and in a lot of states, that is a punishable CRIME in which the mother can face serious repercussions. If the mom won't let you in the house to get the kids, get your attorney involved. Do tradeoffs in the parking lot of the police station --> that might not be an ideal situation for your kids but never seeing their father again is way more damaging, provided the dad is a good and loving dad.
Any father that falls for that bullshit is a fucking idiot. in the case a mother is preventing the father from seeing his kid and he is NOT an abusive POS criminal druggy and has court mandated order stating he has visitation the father can just CALL THE FUCKING POLICE! CALL your attorney. What the mother is doing is legally a fucking CRIME.
holy fuck. this is the biggest load of bullshit. So what are are you saying, your ex says no you can't see your own children so the father just gives up and never gets the proper legal channels involved because it is too much effort and just gives up on ever seeing his kids again? In that case that father doesn't deserve to be a father if he can give up on seeing his kids so easily. All I hear is excuses from fathers who don't want a dose of truth and don't want to admit they gave up so easily even though they claim they love their kids.
Also I get that you are saying that divorce is tougher on a man than a woman but these fathers who are forever abandoning their kids. Divorced men (or women) with underage kids committing suicide is one of the rare times I think suicide is selfish even if it is caused by the father suffering from a mental disease like depression because now they have deprived their child of ever having a bond or ever being supported mentally or financially by their fathers or mothers. Maybe I am wrong or misguided for believing this but you have certain duties when you become a parent and they are duties you cannot shirk until your kid is at the very least a legal adult no matter how tough your life is. In this day and age, you can find the information and knowledge to find help for yourself. I have attempted suicide but I don't think suicide is a 100% pardonable act in all cases.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:49 on April 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm telling you they don't stop it. Unless you've got the money to burn on an attorney and keep taking her to court, the judge is just going to warn her and send her on her way.
You do realize that the justice systems loathes punishing women. Even for egregious offenses. The mother who left her children (12 and under) home alone while she spend two weeks in Europe was sentenced to... wait for it... probation. She left them home alone with a gun. Probation.
Every father tries once or twice.
Police will not do anything (mostly because they don't have any way of knowing what the actual ruling states or what is the latest custody agreement). If they actually decide to do something, all she has to do is say she's afraid of her husband, and that her child is afraid of her husband and it's a done deal.
If you can afford to keep calling an attorney. Yes, this is a crime, but no one's going to punish it.
People have spent $100,000+ over a decade fighting this fight. Do you have that much sitting around?
Hell, people have spent that much money, and it still not resulted in the judge holding the mother accountable.
How many abandon their kids and how many are forced out of their lives? You don't know. No one does.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reading stories like this really makes me ok with what I pay for child support... His mother and I donโt get along the best (obviously or weโd still be together) but golly sheโs a good mom. I donโt know if Iโd be able to handle some of these situations I see other guys going through.
ChaosPheonix11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:55:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't understand it. If chips support is so prevalent, why isn't there a system in place to ensure the money is spent in a way that supports the child? why is it so unregulated?
Hirudin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because the child is simply the excuse to transfer the money from the father to the mother. It was never about the child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont get why paying child support has to be so expensive.
My parents were rich, but I didnt find out that until they died in a car crash when I was 12 and I finally inherited it all. We lived a normal life, they spent a decent amount of money on themselves, we had a nice house, decent cars and they liked to go out to nice restaurants etc, but I always had to work up money to buy what I wanted, and getting any toys outside of birthdays/christmas was outrageous.
You sure as hell dont need to spend thousands of dollars on a kid every month, by doing that you are just spoiling them rotten. Why anyone would ever have to pay that amount in child support is beyond me, no matter how fat your bank account may be.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because child support isn't really for supporting the child. It's a money transfer to mothers from fathers.
If you thunk of it this way ite explains a few things.
1) Why deadbeat moms child support requirements aren't enforced. 2) Why moms interfering with visitation isn't dealt with. 3) Why mothers almost always get custody
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a whole different story by itself, but I agree. If I lost custody of my child (I dont have any children, but just as a thought), meaning that 300+ days a year they would be with their mother I should at max have to pay half of their living expenses for those days, and all of this should be at some kind of maximum.
You should in no way have to support the other parent, that is just plain wrong.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IF you were paying to support the child, then you would be required to pay what it cost to support a child (or half that).
Instead your are paying a portion of your yearly income. That isn't needed to support a child.
NephilimSoldier ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:05:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In some US states, in some circumstances, you're able to request an itemized list of how your child support is spent.
https://www.obermayerfamilymatters.com/2014/05/show-me-the-money-are-you-required-to-prove-how-you-spend-child-support-payments/
grewapair ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:45:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I can assure you that the first time it was attempted, the courts threw the request in the trash. Never attempted again.
_TheGeoff ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:48:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wonder what the repurcussions would be of setting up an escrow/trust so that the cash was available for purchases, but a responsible 3rd party could block alcohol/tobacco/gambling purchases etc?
Ginnut ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:08:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theres something I believe is called a Family Agreement (I think, it might not be exactly that) where you buy a certain amount of shopping/nappies/milk or pay for clothes and education. She wouldn't agree to it.
HiredMind ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:31:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the credit card system updated to do this. Enabling cards for purchase filtering could have other benefits too, e.g. parents could setup cards for their college kids that could be used for fixing the car but not alcohol.
bittoxic00 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly. The snap food stamp program is monitored. I don't see why this can't be
Hirudin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:19:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because then the custodial parent couldn't blow the money on nights out with the girls.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Feminist groups would throw a fit and scream sexism. "WHY SHOULD MEN BE ABLE TO CONTROL WOMEN LIKE THAT!"
c0mpg33k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered why that wasn't the case
Sachman13 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:50:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you should be able to take custody if you think you can give them a better life, it's certainly what I would look into.
Morrdsith ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately in Canada anyways, it seems like the father has to prove heโs a good parent and the mother can just SAY heโs not.
I have a pretty unusual look into the system, my two boys have different dads, the first was a deadbeat and didnโt see his kid for an entire year. Had to have a surgery and be on medical EI so we agreed that his health was more important than child support so he could recover and just pick up his $200/mo payments when he was back at work and on his feet. 3 years later my then 5 year old told me he wanted to hurt himself so his dad would come see him in the hospital and he hadnโt paid me a cent since the surgery, I fought and begged him to just CALL his kid and have a relationship, donโt care about money etc and he would say one thing and do another. Court came so I could have parenting responsibilities allocated to me, I didnโt even WANT full guardianship, just the major decisions to me because he was always AWAL. He stood in front of a judge and told him that I kept his kid from him for years and that he paid me every month. Except I had every text message, email, etransfer every between us. To save face he asked for every second weekend of access and now owes $60,000 in back child support, I agreed to only go after the $200 we verbally agreed on because he was SUPPOSED to be paying me $500+. Money wasnโt an issue. Heโs still a part time dad and refuses to parent past 5:30 pm on a Sunday. Never been to any school functions etc.
My second sons father and I just knew we were not going to survive as a couple, we had known each other since kids and things just escalated and now we have a child together. He has been in his sons life every single step of the way, been the first to show up at drs office for appointments, soccer games etc. He has another son with a girl who dragged him, myself AND his fiancรฉ through the mud in court. Claims his fiancรฉ is a coke addict, she works for our hospital and had to be drug tested to prove otherwise and was investigated at work. Said I would drop my kid off at all hours of the morning just because I couldnโt handle three kids at once (I had my third baby by this time) lies about him being an alcoholic and sleeping around. Harassed his fiancรฉ on social media and sent her photos of him naked saying they were sleeping together (he had two new tattoos on his forearms that were not in the photos so we knew they were at least 2 years old) physically assaulted him while holding their son ON SURVEILLANCE camera, drive passed his house multiple times a day, used her Seasonal Affective Disorder and anxiety as a crutch for her behaviour and still insisted he was a danger to his kid. All of this and a judge believed her every single word, my ex and his fiancรฉ had to drain their life savings and down payment for their house to PROVE her wrong. She showed up representing herself with no evidence just her parents and her entire posse of shitty friends as โwitnessesโ and we had print out texts, emails, CPS reports from when SHE was investigated and lied and he still had to prove she was the unfit one and just wanted to see his son. He won, but he now works three jobs while his fiancรฉ stays home to save on daycare because it broke them financially. All because this crazy bitch was jealous he was marrying someone else, who is amazing with our kids.
Our family justice system is so flawed itโs pathetic.
Sachman13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:57:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's really an eye opener.
Morrdsith ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:38:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is. Iโm a mom, I fully believe that you SHOULD pay child support for a child you both created. Mom OR dad. I donโt believe that child support is payment to see a child though. Which legally, it is not. However I have far too many friends and family who have had to drain themselves financially to get rights to see their kids only to have to pay child support ON TOP of trying to now dig out of this hole they are in.
If a mother takes a child away from the father, he has to prove and fight for access. If a father were to do this, amber alerts issued and a man hunt ensues and he again has to prove and fight the right to give his kids the best chance at life.
Itโs so ass backward and Iโm so very proud of the fact that I see the bigger picture. My eldest son loves his dad, his dad is his super hero and I canโt stand the fucking moron. My son has never, and will never know how much the very sight of his father fills me with rage for what he did. If one day heโs been disappointed enough and decides to not see his father, that will be HIS decision and he will be able to say with 100% certainty that I had nothing to do with it.
tempski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never forget who chose to procreate with said, and I quote: "fucking moron"
Morrdsith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read everything else? Or just decide to get hooked on that one sentence? Iโm well aware that idiot me decided to have unprotected sex, Iโm also aware that the โfucking moronโ decided to bow out of his responsibility the moment he became aware that we would never get back together and I was no longer a source of constant sex for him.
I can co-parent well and am aware that my child didnโt ask for any of this. Thereโs MUCH more to this situation than I told obviously, like when I informed him when I became pregnant that he could walk away, no fathers name on birth certificate, no responsibility to said child because I could not follow through with an abortion for my own mental health. He chose to stay.
I also didnโt dive into the fact he couldnโt be bothered to call his son while working out of town because it was too hard to but maintained a relationship with another girl for years during the same time. Canโt maintain a relationship with a child, but can with somewhere to put his dick?
I also didnโt go into detail about my sons therapy sessions in which he broke down and let all his hurt and anger out, just wanted his daddy to love him. Where he told therapist he thought about cutting his arms or legs so he would have to go to the hospital. Then once in the hospital his daddy would worry about him and come see him. The long phone conversations I had with his father over the phone, coddling him and telling him I know he is scared or whatever but his son really needs him. The amount of times heโs said over and over heโs going to try and then ghosts for months. The FIVE times the therapist contacted him over a year to get him to participate in a session with our son to further his healing.
The time I picked my sobbing son up off a Home Depot floor because he spotted his father in the store. The first time he saw him in 8 months, he broke down and collapsed on the floor. That fucking moron told him to stop making a scene. A child. He helped father but never parented. Having to tell my son every single time we drove passed that store that daddy loves him so so much and is just trying to get his life ready for them because he would ask to stop and see if his dad would come back to that store.
Our relationship was pretty easy when we were together. Having a baby changed it for the worse, he was a child and I wasnโt about to raise them both. I knew what I was getting myself into, and I knew that co-parenting was going to be a challenge we would have to work together for. What I didnโt know was that every single time I had to piece my poor boyโs heart back together and reinforce how much his daddy loved him, retell the story of how we picked his name, how excited his daddy was for his birth, it would make me absolutely loathe that fucking moron with every fiber of my being.
Yea I procreated with him. I cared for him at that time, his choices made him a fucking moron. Not mine.
tempski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope every woman on reddit reads this post before they decide to become a single mom.
The times I've read "I don't need no man, I can raise my baby alone" is crazy. Those women don't know what they are doing to their future kid.
The way to do it is to date someone for a number of years, really get to know them. Marry them. Live together for a few more years and then have kids if you are certain your relationship will last. Obviously before you decide to have kids, you discuss this with your partner - you don't decide on your own hoping it's what will keep the guy on the hook or that he will love you after you saddle him with such a responsibility.
Unfortunately feminists told us that a woman can have it all and do it all without needing a man around. Your story tells us why a man is needed and I hope others learn from your story.
For me, I have heard those stories more than once. The most heart breaking one was a kid that tried to kill himself taking pills because his daddy didn't love him.
Read up on the stats of kids from single moms. Higher suicide rate, higher criminal rate, higher drug abuse rate, more likely to become an alcoholic... I could go on for days.
Morrdsith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being a single mother was one of the hardest things I ever had to do. Not financially or physically. I got off my ass, got a phenomenal job and made bank to take care of my boys. Emotionally and mentally it is the HARDEST thing I have ever had to deal with, because it wasnโt MY mental health at stake.
The kids are my number one at all times, even when I met my now husband, he was aware I didnโt party, I didnโt go out on weekends and my boys were always first in my mind. We spent many nights watching movies with my kids and didnโt actually go out on a real date until we were 8 months into dating. I refused to take time away from raising my very young kids. It was so hard, and I did lose myself in those years but I chose to parent these children and Iโd do it all over again.
Heโs a good man and a fantastic role model for my children. I knew I wasnโt going to make the same mistakes again for another child and when he wanted to talk babies I told him to put a ring on it first. He didnโt want marriage and I was okay with that. Just no more kids. We are now married and have a beautiful baby girl, I made damn sure he and his family would enrich my kidsโ lives not cause more heart ache. Good family with good morals.
Ladies, babies are NOT a pay check, they are NOT YOUR possessions to take owner ship over. If you are keeping your kids from a father who desperately wants to be a part of their kidsโ lives, feel free to message me. I can go into great detail about my 8 year old childโs extensive therapy and mental health issues. The torment all of this has put him through and how we struggle daily to encourage him and discourage his self deprecation he goes through every time he thinks heโs not good enough because his dad didnโt show up again. 8 years old and he has all these issues.
Iโll gladly tell you about my 6 year old and how he thrives, how he lights up when he sees his mom, step dad, dad and step mom all laughing and cheering him on at soccer games, school plays, parent teacher conferences. How I gained a best mom friend and how we send each other mom life memes all day long even though her first child is also my child. How his dad and I can phone one another up and discuss things like civil human beings and see the other side when we do disagree.
The difference it has had on both children is astronomical. Thankfully my husband has made sure my 8 year old doesnโt notice that missing seat on the sidelines and that heโs always there for him to introduce to his new teacher every year. It still crushes him, but get over your own shit and let these men parent like they desperately want to. Your kids need it
Ambralin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, both the mother and father should have the option to opt-out of parenthood when done early enough, and as such avoid child-support. I believe Iโd heard this was a thing in Sweden.
trudenter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to say that you seem like a great mom/person.
Morrdsith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I do not want my kids to look back at their childhood and regret anything I did or anything I said. None of them chose to be born, none of them chose who I had sex with. Their fathers are their other halves, even though I hate one, my son has NEVER heard me say it. We talk about his aunts and uncles on his dads side, he comes home and tells me all about his time at his dads. And I get excited with him, and I ask about his family. Iโm a product of a separated family too, I learnt from some experiences.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not ever nearly that easy.
Sachman13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it would be easy, just that it would be something to look into.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I'm just saying. Looking into it will reveal a $50,000 court battle with a very slim chance of getting more custody.
darling_lycosidae ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you get the kids' grandparents or someone else to document her drinking and call CPS for neglect?
Ginnut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got grand parents on the lookout. I got in touch with social services and was told any complaint would not be taken seriously.
kittenpuke ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:14:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my mom did the same (not on alcohol but just on other personal shit for herself/my step dad) and it never occurred to me that the child support was supposed to be for ME, the child
c0mpg33k ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:05:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya on that one mate. I've got sole custody of my kid. My ex keeps wanting more and more and more access and yet do you think she has to pay a damn dime in child support? NOPE all because she's a welfare (forgot the british term for it but it's money paid to people who are down on their luck so they aren't homeless) bum and works under the table. I bring up proof of that fact after I sue her for child support my son is rightfully owed from her and do you think anyone cares? NOPE NOT ONE FUCKING BIT. Our system is fucked in that women can not pay their ordered support and get away with it but men if you don't pay well then fuck you
Amorphica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the "dole" is the british term if i remember right.
Ginnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She occasionally claimed I could have custody but then refused to actually talk about it.
c0mpg33k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a total twat
lujanr32 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:03:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because judges and courtrooms have the mentality of the child support being a payback to mom because she has already "spent money already on utilities, clothes, food, etc". So if she wants her nails did or wants to waste the child support money on booze that's on her. At least it's off your conscience.
SupaSlide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you could request proof of what she's spending the money on and then use it to get custody of your kids (assuming you want that). Stopping by and going through her trash to get proof of alcoholism wouldn't hurt, but check that trash/recycling out on the curb is considered public so you don't get accused of trespassing.
Unless you live in states where the default belief of judge and jury is that fathers are evil and mothers are saints. Then you're out of luck.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most states don't allow that. As long as the mother is meeting the child's basic needs, the money is hers to spend as she wishes.
TheProphecyIsNigh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:33:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This always pisses me off. My uncle was paying thousands for his two kids and my aunt never spent a DIME of it on them. She is a shopoholic that has expensive taste in clothes. Meanwhile, they live in rags and anything they bring from their dad's is sold to pay for her habits.
LemonJongie23 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why it's all a scam and needs to be abolished
Hirudin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:58:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Child support were actually for the child, there would be some method ensuring that the money is actually spend on something the child benefits from. It's not, because child support has always been a thin veneer or an excuse to justify an additional entitlement for single women.
Nipplecunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a bitch your ex is. The poor kids
ErikaSaysSo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not ask for primary custody? Based on pounds I can tell you arenโt in the US, but half of dadโs who ask for primary custody get it
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's rare for dads to get primary custody. That statistic is skewed by the fact that only dads who have an excellent chance of getting primary custody (for example, if the mother is beating the child) even bother asking. Without solid evidence of abuse or some other valid reason, the lawyer will usually tell the dad not to bother asking.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Half of fathers who ask for custody get some form of custody. That includes just two weeks during the summer, or every other weekend.
Also, you'll notice that study didn't cover wether or not said custody wad enforced.
seanithanegan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnโt child services exist for this?
If youโre a better parent are you able to have shared custody?
TopMinotaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:24 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a single mother whoโs struggling due to the childโs father being a psychotic POS- Iโm sorry that sheโs not enforced to spend the money on things for the child. If she spent it on her electric bill one month but your child had a whole new wardrobe than yeah- itโs taking care of the kid.
But sheโs literally stealing from the child by not spending that money towards the basic needs to live.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Shut your mouth and bend over, pay pig!"
Hirudin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:59:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse considering that women are the only ones who actually get to make the decision to have the child.
198_Dudes ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Mens Rights. This is what it is all about.
kataskopo ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:53:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they had more stuff like this, with actual people drafting laws and doing something, and less "feminism sucks amirite fellas" in their subreddit, they wouldn't be such a joke.
Kered13 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:56:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How are they going to draft laws when (to my knowledge) no politician has ever been elected on a Men's Rights platform?
guenjekcehuvrfh36362 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:39:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think an Equality platform would have a better chance, with men's rights bullet points.
cld8 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:53:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"But feminists already advocate for equality!"
kataskopo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When people stop knowing them as dumb, maybe one day a politician will run on that platform. Until then, nope.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People know them as dumb because that's what feminists portray them as. I thought MRAs were dumb too, until I actually read their literature and realized they are not at all like what feminists claim.
I would highly recommend everyone watch the movie "The Red Pill" by Cassie Jaye.
kataskopo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, those dastardly feminist are at it again -__- they are thecause of all men's problems, women, amirite fellas?
morerokk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:01:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, opposing feminism is still well within the realm of men's rights. At least, until feminism stops supporting the Duluth Model.
Raising awareness is a pretty good first step. You're basically criticizing /r/MensRights for not being influential enough to incite mass change.
kataskopo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm criticising mensright because they ar super dumb.
I know about the Duluth model, but if you don't look at it in an historical context you're misleading yourself. Ther was nothing before that, husband's could rape their wives with no issue, there was zero protection for women.
cld8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why the "historical context" is relevant, but even if it were, you are wrong. There have been laws against domestic violence for decades.
Hirudin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:45:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely and totally false. Historically women were the only gender to have protection from domestic violence. Even going back as far as we have records.
kataskopo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they were the biggest victims of abuse from the opposite gender. Ugh if you fail to grasp concepts like this, no wonder yall so misled.
emjaytheomachy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That has nothing to do with feminists still supporting the duluth model.
Did you know that in cases of nonreciprocal IPV (intimate partner violence), where one partner abuses the other and there is not mutual abuse, the primary perpetrators are women? (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/)
Or that when "made to penetrate" is classified as rape (feminist groups have lobbied against this as well) that men are victims of rape at the same rate as women? ( https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers)
Feminism is actively lobbying for policies that ignore/hurt men. That's why an MRA would have an anti-feminist position.
kataskopo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have a source on those feminist lobbying for policies that damage men? Because that sounds like an alt-right fantasy and not reality.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are lots. For example, Florida had a bill for alimony reform a few years ago. Feminists lobbied hard and killed it.
emjaytheomachy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:36:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NOW opposes courts starting with joint custody of children as the default position in custody disputes instead of women being the custodial parent as the default.
NOW endorses the FBI's definition of rape which excludes "made to penetrate" as being rape.
The Duluth Model is feminist theory in which men are presumed to be the perpetrators of IPV and women the victims, even though in nonreciprocal IPV women are the perpetrators 70% of the time. Also note that lesbian relationships have the highest rate of IPV.
If you want to really see how feminism feels about domestic violence towards men check out Erin Pizzey. She founded what is considered to be the first shelter for battered women. She became a pariah however after trying to also open a shelter for men. She has been ostracized by feminist groups for treating domestic violence as a non-gendered issue.
Hirudin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just said this. Did you forget?
men could not legally "beat" their wives. Laws have existed ensuring wives enjoyed "the security of the peace" against their husbands since before Blackstone's Commentaries, which was a compendium of already existing laws in England and Wales. Interestingly, there was nothing within the law forbidding a woman from assaulting her husband. As recently as the early 1900s (when states in the US began banning corporal punishment), men in the US were publicly flogged for beating their wives. It was the preferred punishment for men, as fines and prison (which could also be applied) were seen as causing deprivation to the wife (fines came out of the family purse, and men in prison can't earn income).
Men had no similar right to security of the peace against their wives. It was understood that a man could, and therefore would, demand respect from his wife, and he needed no similar legal remedies to protect him. The most he could do was make a complaint that she was a "scold", which was punishable by a version of scarlet letter, or in extreme cases, ducking. No jail, no fines, no flogging.
More often, situations of domestic violence by the wife against the husband were handled off the books, via traditions such as the Skimmington Ride, or riding the donkey backwards. Basically, the man was shamed by the community, in a vigilante manner, for his wife's abuse. Granted, the wife would also suffer a loss of esteem within the community, but again, she was not the one tied to a donkey's back and paraded around town for people to throw rotten vegetables at.
198_Dudes ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1) No subreddit is perfect.
2) Every subreddit has there fare share of assholes.
3) If you go into MR and put up a post, 'I think your position on such and such is incorrect, can we discuss it?' You won't be banned and you will get discussion.
On point 3 - just try that on a feminist sub. Bans are handed out quickly. In fact they have a rule that if you post on MR you get a ban automaticaly for posting and have no right or ability to say anything at all.
So improvement is needed but we are open to it. There is no openness in the femuniverse.
Also a few of there stances don't really jive with me. Some things are very important to me - like fathers rights, other things I wish they would just shut the fuck up about - like circumcision. I reserve the right to hold my own opinions.
werd608 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:00:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there really a rule on feminist subs where you get banned for posting on MR subs? I generally avoid feminist subs due to horrible experiences trying to talk with some of them irl, and assumed that over the interwebs those experiences would be multiplied and applied to nearly all converations.
198_Dudes ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:15:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
I don't post a ton on MR. As I hinted at, I am choosy with topics. Some things are important to me, others not. If you looked through my history you would find posts - but you would find many more posts to different subreddits.
But I do browse it.
We get a LOT of new people that start out with, 'Can anyone explain why I was banned for asking a question in ask a femminist?'
MR allows it. You can challenge us. The only thing anyone asks is some respect, you are in our house not yours.
Saying, 'I disagree because of this...' is awesome. I welcome it - not enough of it is out there. But saying 'I can't believe I am here. You guys are all assholes. I never thought I would be here...'. I wish those people would just stay the fuck away.
Are there knuckleheads whom I wish would go the fuck away and only serve to give us a bad name??? YES.
I am not sure what to do about it though. We have some incredibly important core issues.
werd608 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, are yoy a mod in any of the subs? If so, what is your current method of moderation (for lack of a better word). As far as rights in general goes, I limit my exposure to documentaries, the last one I saw in relation to MR I think was called Takeing the Red Pill (or something along those lines). Where a feminist would investigate MRA points. It was pretty enjoyable and eye opening. Sorry if the post went off topic.
198_Dudes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't want to mod that group or any other.
There are some things I disagree with (financial abortion) and things that I just don't enjoy talking about (circumcision) and way too many assholes.
To mod a group like that you kind of have to tow the line. I refuse to tow the line for anyone. I am a free soul. I just feel strongly about some stuff that they feel strongly about. So I read it.
werd608 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you also disagree with the fact that a woman can have an abortion when her boyfriend/husband wants to keep the baby or do only women get to choose and guys only get the bill?
198_Dudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very complicated issue that in my eyes falls apart because only women can get pregnant. Eqaultiy being equal and all that... it kind of falls apart with this issue because only one sex can get pregnant.
There is a lot not to like about divorce, custody, who is charged what in child support. In a lot of ways we could do better if we threw it all in the garbage and started over.
But I am not a fan of financial abortion. I think it is a bad, bad deal for the kids. I think that Fathers are incredibly important - and currently undervalued in society.
Maybe someone doesn't want to be a Dad at 18? Maybe they will at 28. I don't want to do anything to destroy that possibility.
I can't stop someone from being an asshole or ignoring responsibility.
This is why I wouldn't want to mod the group. This is a topic that gets a lot of talk in there and I don't agree with the party line on it.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that if a woman gets to choose to have an abortion or not, which by the way, I'm completely for - it's her body and she can decide whatever she wants to do with it - the same option should be given to the man.
If he doesn't want the baby and the woman decides she wants to keep it why does the man have to pay for it?
I thought you were for equality, or is that only when it benefits you?
198_Dudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am for equality. But there is a problem with this.
Men cannot have babies and Men cannot force a women to have an abortion.
Let me state clearly that the idea of forced abortion is something I look at with great horror.
But, if you want eqaulity that is what would need to happen.
And it cannot happen. So we are faced with a fucked up situation that becomes even more fucked up when a brand new person enters the world.
The situation is complicated and throwing up your arms, giving the woman the finger and calling it 'her problem' is incredibly self centered. There is a lot of work to be done on everything that comes next, but I cannot support this idea.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it's wrong to force a woman to do something (abort), but it's alright to force a man to do something (pay up).
Got it.
198_Dudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't got it at all. Yet you are correct.....
just for clarity.... are you suggesting that you would endorse forced abortions?
Cause what you wrote kind of reads that way to me.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm for financial abortion.
A woman has a choice to abort or keep the baby, a man has no choice, just a responsibility to pay up if the woman decides as much.
If a woman can choose, why can't a man?
In other words, I'm for equality.
198_Dudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AAAnnndddd it's shit like that that people hold up to show how awful MR people are.
I don't think you have the ability to understand.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a feminists nor a MR activist. I'm for equality.
So instead of calling me names and avoiding the argument, how about you reply to my points with logic?
EricAllonde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look, it's very simple:
Her body, her choice, her responsibility to pay for her choice.
In our society, rights come with responsibilities. That's only fair.
Forcing the man to pay for a child he didn't consent to have is extremely unfair. That's financial rape.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:07:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not officially stated, but a couple years ago a lot of people who posted on certain subs (mensrights among them) received ban notices from twoxchromosomes and feminism. There was some discussion about it violating Reddit rules but I don't think anything came of it.
werd608 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I've heard, I want to try and say this without picking a side (I already know its gonna be impossible tho) but it doesn't surprise me that nothing came from complaining with online "feminists."
I was going to say people but due to the context of these conversations this would have been implied.
morerokk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, several. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single feminist subreddit that doesn't censor. It seems like a tendency inherent to the movement itself.
And in contrast, /r/MensRights does not have to censor anyone at all. And they don't.
werd608 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That really puts things into perspective.
kataskopo ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some weird subs ban you if you post in other alt-right subs, but I don't usually comment in subs I'm not subbed.
There's 2Xchromosome that I think is good, and trollxchromosome that it's fun lol. I don't think it's such a problem.
werd608 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know about twoxchromosomes and enjoy reading some of the stories(I dont post much there though). I think in general I avoid political/strongly opinioned areas. I'd rather spend my time in the funnies, bur every now and again its good.
EmeraldDS ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:16:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. This is why I unsubbed from /r/MensRights. I believe in men's rights and that men need more rights in some areas, but MRAs come off as almost misogynistic in some cases, and even when they don't, they seem to think that bashing feminism is more helpful for men's rights than actually campaigning for laws that will help men, or campaigning for some of the social stigma against men being emotional/whatever to go away.
spar101 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:24:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every time there are laws attempting to ensure more equal parenting or alimony reform, NOW and other feminist groups lobby and protest against it
In addition, when men attempt to gather to discuss certain issues where they face discrimination, feminists show up to protest, assault people and pull fire alarms
When men bring up certain laws in society that discriminate against them, feminists use mental gymnastics to justify it or say how it's really benevolent sexism towards women and the answer is more feminism
EmeraldDS ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know plenty of pro-MR feminists. And even if feminism was directly harmful to the men's rights movement, why would you have a movement with the primary purpose of dismantling another movement? I'm not saying you can't have discourse about feminism, but that /r/MensRights is so hyperfocused on bashing feminism that I see no actual men's rights activism other than the occasional "reminder that fathers are great!" or whatever, which doesn't really do anything.
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because when a movement is directly against your interests, you have to attack it directly in order to accomplish anything.
To give you an example, feminists will oppose any attempt at alimony reform, on the grounds that it will reduce income for women. How can men's rights people advocate for alimony reform without going up against feminism directly? People say they should advocate for men without hurting women, but in this case, it obviously cannot happen that way.
The environmental movement has to attack the "drill baby drill" movement head on. There is no other way.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in that subreddit regularly A lot of the "feminism sucks" posts are from feminist trolls trying to discredit them. Ignore those posts and read the ones with substance, you will learn a lot.
larlyssa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at r/menslib. All the discussion without the toxicity.
bufedad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:31:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, if you were raped by a woman, you can discuss it here... as long as you do it in a way that doesn't offend women, or make them feel oppressed.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Menslib is a feminist sub in disguise.
morerokk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that the place where a disturbing amount of men had suicidal thoughts due to their "male guilt"? A toxic place like that is clearly not a place where you would want to hang out, if you ask me.
And make no mistake, MensLib is a feminist subreddit. It is not a men's sub by any means. Did you find a way in which feminism hurts men? Well too bad, constructive criticism of feminism is not allowed. You gotta wonder why every single feminist subreddit mass-censors its users, whereas /r/MensRights does not have to.
EricAllonde ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:36:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and that's exactly the way feminists like it. It is an entirely feminist-run sub after all.
EmeraldDS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I'll take a look at that.
Hirudin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going to r/menslib to discuss men's rights is like going to a weight loss sub where no one is allowed to use the word "diet."
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in that subreddit regularly A lot of the "feminism sucks" posts are from feminist trolls trying to discredit them. Ignore those posts and read the ones with substance, you will learn a lot.
PirateJohn75 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was chatting recently with a friend who didn't know what MRAs were all about. I told her, "the problem with MRAs is that 99% of them ruin it for the other 1%.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's nowhere near 99%. There are a few radicals, as there are in every movement.
PirateJohn75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's more like 99.9%
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kataskopo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the one men's right sub that was ok, they make it a point to not be assholes and just bash feminism.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The place where you are only allowed to talk about your rape (by a woman) if you don't offend women in the process.
How about somewhere that actually puts men first?
blamethemeta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they mean by not being mean to feminists. It means putting them first.
Hirudin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:06:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They talk about this stuff literally all the time. I got linked to this very thread from r/mensrights.
kataskopo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then you scare away everyone with "feminism is Nazis!" bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:33:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kataskopo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comments like this are why no one takes you seriously :/ but ok, keep yelling at a straw man if that makes you feel better.
Hirudin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copy pasting this response by Karen Straughan to the typical "real feminists aren't like that" like the one you have written:
kataskopo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I never said that I was a True Feminist lol. What a rant, I'll read it later when I have some time.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:01:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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198_Dudes ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me it isn't quite like that.
I don't actually believe in Feminism or Mens Rights.
I believe in equality. Equal is a very simple concept, when eqaulity stops being simple it stops being equal.
For a very long time women in all parts of the world where treated badly.
The feminist movement in the US did wonderful things that they should be very proud of. I have 2 daughters, I don't desire them to be non-voting non-reading house slaves.
However, feminists have been so sucessful that they have swung the pendulum a little to far in some issues.
Take breast cancer. Breast cancer is evil. You know what is also evil? Prostate and Testicular cancer. Prostate and testicular cancer kills a shit ton of people.
But breast cancer 'awareness' programs (who isn't aware?) just hoovers up all the money. I don't want breast cancer awareness to go away - but I would like more time, energy and money going to this cause.
Remunerateinumera ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:54:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that almost everyone was treated badly for a very long time. We just don't really see the ways men were treated badly. Conscription, the draft, press-ganging, circumcision, workplace safety, and others are issues that disproportionately affect men and have historically.
If equality means equal rights, then equality advocates should take these matters seriously.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, you leave out the men at the bottom rung as well. Not everyone was a king or major government official with clout and power. Nor were they rich, either.
But then you'll go off on the "Well, men were at the top so it follows those at the bottom are more powerful anyway". Uh, no. Having a penis doesn't automatically guarantee a life free of burden or struggle.
And they are never going to be.
Understatement. They've outright hijacked issues that are gender neutral like Domestic Violence and Rape where men make up a sizeable portion of the population.
We live in a world now where its okay for a woman to hit a man, a girl to torment a boy, and nothing can be done. Boys are also getting lessons on respecting women, learning about consent, with no equivalent programs for girls on extending the same thing to boys. Men are given lessons on checking their privilege and reminded that they're the cause of societal ills.
I myself, as a man, try not to think too hard because the alternative is feeling so bad I want to off myself.
Barafu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a catch about slavery: it must be abolished from inside. If you simply free a slave and give rights to a slave, that slave invariably turns into a slaver. There is no big difference between a slave and a slaver, you know. The whole difference is who has the stick. But sticks change owners.
Slave must be free from slavery from the inside first.
198_Dudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ummmmmmmmm......
okay.
Oh I said House Slaves. I get it. Do I really have to say slavery is bad?
Barafu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bad. And hard to get rid of. It took Moses 40 years.
Spliffs_Callahan ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:49:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LITERALLY EVEN JUST SAYING "MENS RIGHTS" MAKES YOU A WOMAN HATING NAZI GO FUCK YOURSELF
/s
198_Dudes ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your not wrong.
Here is the thing as I see it. There are some very core issues to Mens Rights that are just ... obvious. You have to be a special kind of person to disagree.
Debtors prison is a pretty good example of this. Dude can't/isn't paying - so you put him in jail, jeopardizing his current job, making finding new work harder AND you continue to accumlate dept and fines while he is in jail.
That issue.... you bring that up and nobody argues for it. No one says, 'well it is a really good idea to do this because...'.
This is a core issue. The term MR has been sucesfully associated with hate groups, unfairly so.
I just like to point out every once in a while that someone is agreeing and discussing an MR issue.
Maybe someday someone will get the hint?
bornbrews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't how child support works though. I don't know if you're familiar with the court system, but the amount of child support parent's are forced to pay depends on:
1) How often the child is in their custody. 2) Income.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines. Those same men (and surely some women) just go "no thanks" and that's how you end up in jail for it.
198_Dudes ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:10:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First off... child support is a state by state thing - so what you said is already categoricaly incorrect as I don't know what state you are in and you don't know what state I am in.
Two, while I do not pay child support, I know people who are....
I had this buddy. He made less then me and I didn't make much. He lived in this piece of shit effiency apartment in a bad part of town because it was all he could afford.
Now, my buddy had Child Onset Diabetes. I think it is called Type 1. The day he told me I thought he was fucking with me. He was built like a brick. Not an ounce of fat on him. I said to him, 'But people with diabetes weigh 300 pounds and use motorized scooters to raid doughnuts in WalMart??!!??!! WTF are you talking about?'
He explained to me that simply put those people could fix there problems thorugh diet. They had eaten themselves into being sick. Child Onset is just that. It is genetic. There was no getting rid of it.
As I knew him diabetes ate him alive. Last I talked to him he had had 2 different organ transplants.
Anyways he comes to me one day and explains, 'The Ex has decided public school isn't good enough. The kid has to go to private and I have to pay half.'.
He then shows me something. He showed me what a months worth of medical bills looked for him.
I had a higher paying job then him. He lived in a cheap efficiency in the bad part of town. He paid more in medical bills in a month then I paid for rent.
I knew the public school the kid went to. It was 7 different kinds of fine. A fairly rural public school with plenty of community support. Not a damned thing wrong with it. He couldn't afford to pay half the tuition. He couldn't afford his efficiency as is.
He says to me, 'I am going to court and I am going to show the judge these bills. This is unfair.'.
I said, 'Won't work without a lawyer.' He said, 'Of course it will. Don't be stupid.'.
And that is how his kids went to a private school and he had to come up with half.
Supporting your kids is one thing, but forcing someone to work themselves so that they have no physical interaction with there kids is another.
I got a current coworker. He says to me, 'We have 50/50 custody.'. I said, 'No you don't.' He said, 'Yes I do'. I said, 'weekends are't 50/50. You got the kids 15 days a month?'
And he showed me he did.
So understand this. 1/2 of the year he is feeding, housing and putting his kids in clothes. He carries health insurance.
Why does he pay her $1200/month?
bornbrews ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is this going on about?
Your friend can still ask for a modification, though sounds like he needs a lawyer if he couldn't succesfully argue his case.
Does your coworker want to see his kids more, btw? Besides 50/50 custody doesn't mean 50/50 time, it means both parents have custody...
I don't think you actually understand the legal terms here...
198_Dudes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:59:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you CLEARLY DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT.
THESE ARE STATE LAWS. WAKE THE FUCK UP. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT STATE I LIVE IN, WE DON'T KNOW OR CARE WHERE YOU LIVE. YOU MIGHT BE CORRECT ABOUT YOUR STATE, BUT MINE IS A CESSPOOL WITH SOME VERY REAL PROBLEMS.
And telling me that the court system is designed to be fair and then to tell me that if I understood legal jargon and had filed such and such is kind of conflicting.
bufedad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:37:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not entirely true. In most jurisdictions (in the US) judges have the authority to impute income. They can decide what they think you should be making, and set child support based on that amount.
Well, it's often that they can't afford it. For instance, if a father loses his job, what's he supposed to do? Print money to pay child support with? Adjustments take a lawyer, and unemployed people can't afford a lawyer. This means the debt continues, and they end up in prison.
Remunerateinumera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copy-spamming comments is a clear demonstration of your lack of interest in conversation. You only want what you have to say to be heard.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While that is true in theory, in reality many men are ordered to pay far more than they can afford. There are several ways this can happen.
One is imputed income. If a man doesn't have a job, the judge can order him to pay alimony and child support based on what he should be making, based on his qualifications. The reason for this is to prevent men from quitting their jobs in order to avoid paying, but it hurts men who legitimately cannot find work. When the economy crashed in the early 2000s, a lot of men ended up in jail because they couldn't find work that would enable them to pay the amount owed.
PoliticalIndemnity ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is wrong.
cld8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And unfortunately, many feminists will disagree. They will say that putting men in jail will send a message to other fathers that paying their ex-wives is a requirement. They will say that without the threat of jail, men simply won't pay, and women won't have income. I have heard all of these arguments.
A_Big_Teletubby ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wow good thing you added that lil "wit" marker at the end there or I would have never been able to tell you weren't serious!
Spliffs_Callahan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't used to use them but I've been shown during recent gun-rights debates that no matter how obvious your sarcasm is you still need the tag
ErikaSaysSo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was a group working to dismantle the idea that women are biologically inclined to be nurturers while men are biologically inclined to be providers, leading to the assumption mothers should have primary custody.
198_Dudes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that the default should be 50/50 custody, you start there.
I also believe that a lot of divorced people turn into gigantic entitled assholes and use the kids as ammunition. I mean, a child is entitled to a Mom and Dad. Once you have a kid that person is in your life forever. As an adult that loves your kid you are obligated to get along at least well enough that the kid has both of you in his/her lives.
See, there is that equality I was talking about rearing its head.
ErikaSaysSo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. Of course none of this can be separated from the societal expectation that women do most of the child rearing. If you want dadโs to be considered 50/50 after divorce, they should be doing 50/50 before divorce. Statistically speaking, they arenโt and systems are in place that make it difficult for anyone to buck that (maternity leave but no paternity leave, pay gaps, the fact that bosses are less likely to promote a woman with children but also less likely to let a dad take a personal day for a sick kid than they are a mom).
Custody cases donโt operate in a vacuum.
198_Dudes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must start somewhere. And I specifically said you start at 50/50 and you go from there.
Everything about the system is fucked up and needs reworked.
My daughter was born, we bought a house and I was laid off. 2008. Do you remember 2008? I'll give you a hint - they called it 'The Great Recession'.
Finding another job wasn't easy, took 18 months.
As a result I was a stay at home dad till she was 2.
I can't say enough good things about this experience. It was a pretty incredible thing to do. To give men paternity leave so that they could bond with there kids like this would just be an incredible gift.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just mean that our activism for this canโt be single issue- we have to look at other components too. That way dadโs can be good dadโs- on average dadโs spend half the time taking care of the house and half the time with kids that their partners do. Thatโs because they literally canโt take off work like moms do. That means moms have to be the one to do those tasks. This hurts moms earning potential and dadโs time with the kid.
Then mom and dad divorce and it goes to a judge. The judge see that mom spends double the time with the kid as dad and dad spends too much time at work. So mom gets full custody.
Not to mention only about 30% of dadโs think to ask for full custody- most I would guess because either they donโt think they have the time or think their ex wives will be better for the kids.
All of those things are heartbreaking and must be included in the conversation. ~60% of dadโs day that parenting is crucial to their identity. We need a culture that supports dads
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's because they know (or are told by their lawyers) how biased the family court system is, and determine that it isn't worth it to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees on a futile battle. In many states, unless the mother is abusive and this abuse can be documented, she will get primary custody almost by default.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is that feminists want equality in the workplace, but they don't want men to have equality in the home.
According to them, women should have the right to get educated and have a career, but they should still have the right to be supported by men just like they did before they had the right to a career.
LethiasWVR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only that same group wasn't the reason we have laws like the Tender Years Doctrine in the first place. One source
I don't disagree that it should be dismantled, and I think we both agree things are moving in the correct direction, but I find it disingenuous, at best, to passive aggressively snark about how that group is trying to save us from this issue (and implying they are the only ones who are trying to fix it) when at best it can be seen as correcting a mistake of their past.
ErikaSaysSo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think trying to advocate for menโs rights in custody cases while ignoring the societal norms surrounding it is disingenuous at best. At worst, it is a blatant statement that one doesnโt want the inequalities facing women to be fixed.
โDivorce rapeโ as some men have termed it (effectively proving that those individuals are Misogynists) is a direct consequence of the fact that society expects women to take care of the kids and men to work more. Statistically, we see that is true with moms spending significantly more time home making and with the kids while dadโs spend more hours at work. We then codify that when we set up systems like maternity leave but no paternity leave, pay gaps, the fact that a woman with children is less likely to be promoted, or that a man with children has a harder time getting personal days for his kids.
Anyone who legitimately wants to fix the inequality of custody and divorce issues must acknowledge that dismantling the patriarchal expectations of society is the only way to do it. Anyone who wants to dismantle the patriarchy is a feminist. Simple as that.
ScatteredCastles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:43:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or, we could just get government out of the business of marriage because the government is bad at everything.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:50:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Generally Iโm on board with get the government out of anything and everything.
But if we did that, how do you suggest custody arrangements be done? The truth is that most couples can mediate this on their own- less than 10% or cases are actually decided by a judge. But with no government marriage, how does that work inyour mind?
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They would get done the same way they are currently. You don't have to be married in order to go to court and get a custody decree.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so it wouldnโt actually help anything talked about here? Just change the names. Iโm much less excited lol
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men are getting screwed in family court, and you somehow blamed this on "patriarchal expectations".
Amazing.
LethiasWVR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to her, it's apparently also the reason that feminists of previous waves made the case that women should gain custody of their children by default under the Tender Years Doctrine.
Makes me wonder what she thinks the reason is that the National Organization of Women have opposed shared custody bills that pass with overwhelming majority support in states like Florida Once source from the first time this happened
Vandechoz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only. Too bad feminist groups fight against that. :(
ErikaSaysSo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IKR better make a different group so we donโt all have to call ourselves feminists. Why would we want to work on breaking down entrenched societal norms that hurt everyone if we have to call ourselves feminists?
Vandechoz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:14:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the feminists fight against breaking down those norms. The National Organization of Women were recently successful in stopping (by way of convincing the governor to veto) a bill in Florida that would have created a legal assumption of shared custody.
Specific quote from this one:
morerokk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it would be nice if that group existed.
Unfortunately, feminism is not a part of that group. Any movement which unanimously says "only men can be abusers" is not a movement about equality, and it is not a movement worth supporting.
Call me back when the major feminist organizations stop supporting the Duluth Model.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Feminists got the definition of rape changed so that women could be labeled rapists and men could be labeled rape victims in the eyes of the law.
Feminists actively fight against the patriarchal notion that women are care givers and men are bread winners
EricAllonde ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:33:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Citation needed.
Because it was feminist Mary P Koss that convinced the CDC to explicitly exclude male victims of women from their statistics on rape, based on her oft-repeated claim that being raped isn't anywhere near as traumatic for men as it is for women.
All we ever see from feminism and feminists is opposition to equality. The goal of equal rights and equal opportunities for women was achieved decades ago, now feminists fight for more benefits & privileges for women, and to deny basic rights to men, like being recognised as rape victims or seeing your kids.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll find ya a link later but it happened at the fbi level in 1093 I think? Or is that when spousal rape was banned. Idk Iโll find a link when Iโm off work
bufedad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI definition was changed to allow for male victims of male rapists, not to include female rapists of male victims.
morerokk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay cool, so when are they going to stop erasing male victims of domestic violence? Because your example is really just "trickle-down equality". The main goal wasn't recognizing female rapists, the goal was to include objects in the definition of rape too (such as penetrating someone with a metal rod).
Remember, the problem isn't just feminism ignoring the Duluth Model's existence. This is them actively supporting it. In fact, feminism created it. What's stopping them from abolishing it, exactly? They would be helping countless male abuse victims, who are currently at risk of being arrested themselves whenever they call the police.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to generalize all feminists by the actions and opinions of a few, feel free.
If you want to have a grown up conversation, let me know. But that would entail recognizing that โfeminismโ isnโt a political party with leaders and platforms. It is an ethics philosophy by which one acknowledges that the sexes should be equal and works towards those goals socially and politically. It would me you have to understand feminists donโt have a hive mind. My personal brand of feminism means advocating against judges giving women lighter sentences for crimes because I know that attitude is born out of the idea of women not being strong or dangerous, when the reality is that they can be. My personal brand of feminism is inclusive to people of color and trans individuals- go on any feminist message board and you will find that those arenโt universal opinions. I donโt have to, and will not, answer for opinions that arenโt my own. Similarly, I wonโt ask you to account for the exclusion of women from the military for so long, the extensive battle over marital rape, or the fact that rapists have parental rights over children conceived by rape in 31 states. Why? Because Iโm an adult and recognize that just because some men pushed those horrible things through doesnโt mean you agree with them.
morerokk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest feminist organizations in the US all support the Duluth Model. These organizations have millions of members each. Take that "vocal minority" BS elsewhere, please.
Except all those influential feminist figures, as well as the various feminist organizations, of course.
Your "personal brand" means absolutely nothing, unless you actually hold political sway. What matters is the feminists in power, and those people are rotten for the most part.
Feminist A supports the Duluth Model. You are feminist B. Feminist B sits on the couch, eats some potato chips and says "hey, not all feminists!". Which one is representative of the movement, you think? It's clearly not feminist B, I can tell you that much.
ErikaSaysSo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honey go ask your mom to make you a snack. Youโre obviously getting cranky. Maybe let the adults figure out what to do about societal inequalities?
morerokk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First you said you wanted a "grown-up conversation", and now you're just hurling insults. Ran out of arguments or something? No need for the snark.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:26:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Feminist organizations on the national level are far more radical than most people realize. Even most self-idenfitied feminists would not support their positions.
This gets into no-true-Scotsman territory.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to feminists then, no. NOW (the largest feminist organization in the world) had been fighting against shared custody for decades. Because fathers wanting equal parenting time is abusive to women.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. A woman going to a shelter to provide for her kids is not equatable to a man REFUSING to pay for his kids and getting jail time. No judge is throwing a dad in jail who is honestly trying to provide for their kids and canโt.
198_Dudes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:41:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No judge would force a person to pay for tuition when he already pays more in medical bills then he does rent an the school the kids goto is.....
oh wait a minute. I know a guy that had that done to him.
If you want to talk shelters, lets talk about how few mens shelters there are.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:10:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As you donโt understand how our society works Iโll explain it to you. When bad things happen disproportionately to one group, systems get put in place to help. Women are disproportionately abused by men. It doesnโt mean that it doesnโt happen the other way, but in MOST cases of abuse, itโs a man abusing a woman. Thatโs why there is a disproportionate number of menโs shelters to womenโs. Itโs very fucking simple.
198_Dudes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:11:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that is the part of society that needs changed.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:12:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As long as thereโs more men abusing women, l rather than the other way then it will never change and it shouldnโt.
198_Dudes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are a terrible person and I feel fear for your soul.
Cause now you have crossed the line into bigotry - punishing an entire group of people just because of the actions of some of them.
As long as there is a single women beating a man then there should be a fair and equal way for him to get help. To turn him away at the door just because you feel one side should be less equal then the other is a terrible, awful way to be.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look dude Iโm sorry if youโve been abused by a woman, and yes there needs to be support in our society for men who are. But equating the number of shelters just doesnโt make sense. If 1000 woman are abused and 100 men are, there needs to be 10x the number of womenโs shelters. And thatโs how it works.
MasterofThinking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know that there are only 2 domestic violence shelters for men in America that are privately funded while women get thousands of government funded ones? https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victims-of-domestic-violence/
Bonus qoute "In the U.S., about 31 percent of men and 37 percent of women have experienced sexual violence, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Did you know that women commit the majority of non reciprocal domestic violence, as reported by both men and women? Https://www.google.com/search?q=women+70+non+reciprocal+dv&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
Did you know that feminists successfully reframed domestic violence as something that men do to women in the 80's? Https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model
198_Dudes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:31:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are so few mens shelters as to be close to zero.
I am sorry if you despise men.
Men are dying because there isn't enough money or attention being given to testicular cancer. According to your logic this is a good and desirable thing because women are dying from breast cancer.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I am a man. mid 30's. lol
morerokk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men can be sexist against men. Sexism is not an "us vs. them" issue.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And also, the rate of breast cancer is 12.4% testicular- .0057% Not only that, but breast cancer accounts for 6.8% of all cancer deaths, testicular 0.1% source: cancer.gov. get your facts straight mate.
Hirudin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are not
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Statistics show that you are wrong. Domestic violence is almost equal in both directions.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really? I have personally seen this happen several times.
atacon09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you can't afford, you lose your license which means you can't drive. you can't drive (legally), you possibly lose your job. you lose your job, you can't afford the child support. JAIL TIME BABY. male privilege is a plague on society amirite?
Megazor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo sir.
We need more focus on male issues because they affect society as a whole.
tempski ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I can't believe you got gilded twice for posting facts that, when I bring them up, gets me branded as a misogynist.
bornbrews ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:57:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't how child support works though. I don't know if you're familiar with the court system, but the amount of child support parent's are forced to pay depends on:
1) How often the child is in their custody. 2) Income.
That's it. Literally it's not that they "can't afford" it, it's that they don't have custody and a judge has given them a number amount within income guidelines. Those same men (and surely some women) just go "no thanks" and that's how you end up in jail for it.
bufedad ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:39:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not entirely true. In most jurisdictions (in the US) judges have the authority to impute income. They can decide what they think you should be making, and set child support based on that amount.
Well, it's often that they can't afford it. For instance, if a father loses his job, what's he supposed to do? Print money to pay child support with? Adjustments take a lawyer, and unemployed people can't afford a lawyer. This means the debt continues, and they end up in prison.
bornbrews ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can appeal without an attorney, though the caveat here being your luck and the law varies by jurisdiction and judge.
The process is: you notify the court, you then obtain an order from the judge or child support master. Though attorneys are recommended they are not required
bufedad ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:47:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are required if you want to succeed.
bornbrews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are recommended, like I said, yes, but people do win without a lawyer.
The problem is your average joe thinks he can make a compelling argument like a lawyer, and he can't.
A judge will not be sympathetic to "I can't afford to pay my child support because I lost my job after yelling at a customer." For example.
bufedad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:38:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and people have survived having their parachutes fail to open while skydiving. That doesn't make it a likely outcome.
FloweringCactoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and
Are kind of contradictory, no? The hypothetical person getting fired for yelling at a customer still has less income. Taking into considering why they have less income is neither "1) How often the child is in their custody" nor "2) Income"
Vandechoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, it's more like "what the judge thinks your income should be".
ErikaSaysSo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:47:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.... thatโs every case Iโve ever seen and the state I live in has stupid low expectations of the non custodial parent.
RIPelliott ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the realest thing ever and I wish every woman in the world could see this.
MAGAParty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Preach
stinkpicklez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/MensRights
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:00:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lol these are not even close to the same. Situation A, a woman with kids struggling to feed them getting help from a shelter. A kid mind you that a man has half created. Situation B, a man who is refusing to help a kid he has created. I mean, am I even explaining this? Or are you trolling?? Lol.
bufedad ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:39:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you decide the first one can't and the second one can, but refuses to. The bias in that distinction is unbearably obvious.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:41:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So why would a woman end up at a shelter for help if she wasnโt trying to help her kid? Lol
bufedad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:48:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because she can. Do you think shelters do background checks? They ask, and she can lie... I mean, you do realize that women are people and people can lie about things... right?
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:05:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, of course women can and do lie. But still, lying to provide more for your kid or even just to get more (steal) is not equivalent to a father refusing to help his offspring, itโs in no way similar.
bufedad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There you go again automatically assuming that fathers refuse to help their children, rather than can't.
Women must need it, but men... well, they only refuse. They have loads of money that they can just pick up from the patriarchy center...
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so show me one case where a father has wanted to and tried to provide for his kid, couldnโt and then got thrown in jail??
bufedad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:18:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? Are you even reading this thread?
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I'm reading it, and have been repeatedly dismissed as a sexist, man hater.. funny that
bufedad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well... are you?
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well considering I'm a happily married successful man and father in my mid 30's, no.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does that have to do with whether you are sexist or hate men?
blamethemeta ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:10:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A woman can abort if birth control fails. A man has no recourse.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking lol. Yeah so a man and a woman have sex, woman gets pregnant, man pussies out and doesnโt want the responsibility so he peaces out, woman doesnโt want to abort because you know, she doesnโt want to kill her baby (weird right?!?) and ends up with a baby who the dad wonโt support. You are a fucking retard my friend.
blamethemeta ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:17:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realize how sexist you are being?
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? I'm being sexist against men or women? Because I'm a man.. fucking lol.
blamethemeta ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:20:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men can act sexist against men.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL ok I'm out, can't argue with stupid. But before I go, to your other comment, women have choices if birth control fails, well the man had a choice to cum inside a woman and take that chance. Unless of course, he was RAPED, and now you're probably about to tell me that happens all the time.
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so the woman can decide she doesn't want to be a parent even after getting pregnant. For a man, once he has sex, it's too late. It's entirely the woman's choice whether to have the baby, but if she decides to do so, he can be held financially responsible.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you actually fucking serious? Itโs her choice whether to kill her baby or not. Itโs not a light decision. And I say this as a pro-choice person. Fuck me some ppl are retarded.
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:53:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I am actually "fucking serious". I don't want to turn this into a debate on abortion, but it's a major injustice when only the woman has the unilateral ability to decide whether to have the baby, but both parents are financially responsible for it.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:38:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so let me explain something to you, when you ejaculate inside a woman whether thereโs birth control or not, youโre making a decision that you can possibly become a parent, a dad and everything that comes along with it.
cld8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to "explain" anything to me. If you can't see the inequality here, you are willfully blind.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:54:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol thatโs all you got? Iโm disappointed
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:03:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, be disappointed.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:10:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, youโre a young fella who thinks that if you have sex with a woman and she tells you sheโs on BC and sheโs actually not and gets pregnant then youโre cheated? And that Iโm some raging anti-man feminazi? Iโm a happily married dude, mid 30โs with kids to my wife. Throughout my teens and 20โs I always used two methods of BC. either condom and pill or pill and pull out. If you cum in a woman without proper protection itโs YOUR CHOICE. How fucking simple is that???
cld8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then why not say the same thing to the woman? If you have unprotected sex it's YOUR CHOICE. How fucking simple is that?
But no. You can't force a woman to have a child she doesn't want. She has the right to decide whether she wants to be a parent or not. Men can't have that right, only women. Because somehow, that's equality.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because itโs BOTH your choice to fuck without BC. You think to a woman that an abortion is just a simple choice?? Itโs killing a living baby you fucktard. YOU are whatโs wrong with this society. Youโll fuck a girl, get her pregnant, put the onus on her to get an abortion and then not pay child support when she doesnโt. You are a piece of shit.
cld8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's BOTH your choice. But only ONE person has to deal with the consequences of that choice. The other person can CHOOSE if they want to deal with it or not. The woman can have an abortion if she chooses, or she can raise the baby if she chooses. One person has the choice, the other only has responsibility.
I have no idea how this is relevant. As far as the law is concerned, it's a simple choice. The woman chooses "yes" or "no". And even if you consider it a "living baby", the fact remains that the woman can kill it, at her own discretion.
Earlier, you acknowledged that having sex is a mutual decision. Now you've gone back to assuming that a man "gets" a girl pregnant, as if she had no say in the matter.
"Put the onus on her to get an abortion"? So if a woman decides to get an abortion (which is legally 100% her choice), it's somehow the man's fault?
I guess you've realized you don't have any logical argument.
MasterofThinking ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:23:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So she drops the baby off at a hospital or fire station no questions asked and has the state support the baby until they can find a home free of charge.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you guys. Yeah just abort it if you don't want it! Or just drop it off at a fire station, no worries dudes!! Like these are like fucking ordering a cup of coffee. If a man didn't want to pay for a kid, probably shouldn't have cum inside the lady, seems to me that was a choice.
Cantaimforshit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:40:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit different when the dad just goes "nah fuck that and fuck you"
uglypelican ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:19:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with parts of your comment, the child really is at the biggest loss. But what is the next logical step when the case involves a man who is either refusing to work, therefore they can't even garnish his wages, or works for cash and refuses to pay up? and I'm not too dense to understand that every situation is different. I know guys making 70-80k a year who could barely pay rent because their ex-wives/child support were literally burying him. I feel that, if the man in question makes his mind up that he just ain't paying, there isn't a more appropriate step than punishment. Maybe he can work in the prison and they can take those wages? I don't know. I just know there's only so much you can do to force a person to take responsibility of their legal duties before you have to resort to this.
towelofapproval ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:39:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those wages wouldnโt provide much for the child. Also, some states take the money as payment for room and board.
:(
I get what you are saying though. Thatโs definitely why you would want a close case by case analysis. I think the parent refusing to pay, who could pay, might have a wake up call when the contempt fairy pays them a visit. I know that family law judges do examine the situation case by case. Iโm not sure how effective this is. It would be good to see the numbers.
ScatteredCastles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic misuse of 'literally' (because some men do end up buried).
Quick1711 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing they did for years before the laws were enacted....
Get off your ass and make a living for your kids. Support them the best you can. Be an adult.
The kids will realize in the long run wtf is really going on.
uglypelican ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused on your response. My post was aimed at what do we logically do next when a parent is refusing to do what you typed out above.
Trust me, we all want parents to "get off their ass and make a living for their kids" as you said.
Are you speaking on the mother's roll in the situation??
Quick1711 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:53:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Situations vary from female to female. I can only speak from some of my experiences.
If a man doesn't want to pay then what choice is a mother really left with?
Yes, she and her child(ren) can live off the state but if they are ever going to have anything substantial in their lives mother has to go to work (regardless if the father works or not)
Barafu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will not, if they live with a mother who tells them on daily basis that their dad is a thief and moron.
Quick1711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah...I got 3 kids and they are starting to catch on to what is up with their mother.
Now it did help that she is on her 4th relationship in 7 years.
TheSherbs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:55:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between can't pay and won't pay. The dudes that can't pay, I agree shouldn't be thrown in jail. The dudes that don't pay, fuck em.
Fornaughtythings123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does this work in the us? In Canada they can literally just take money from your bank account.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most child support goes through the courts and is decided (amount) on the income the father makes and what else he covers for the child (or vice versa if mom is paying CS). If they're gainfully employed, it's taken out of the check before the employee ever gets the money, if they're not gainfully employed or the employer has a low-tech/cash-system/no payroll type system, then it's a bill that the parent will have to go into court and pay the cashier each month, or send a check via mail. There may be some instances where it can be paid online, but I've never heard of it. And that's not saying much either. Most of my knowledge comes from friends and people talking about it in Facebook groups. Pay requirements, arrangements, pay method and scheduled are extremely varied from state to state and likely situation to situation.
Hope this answered your question.
borntoquit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't seize a bank account if they don't have one. Can't garnish wages if they're not working on the books. You'd be surprised at how many people go years without paying support, but are able to pay lump sums in the hundreds or thousands of dollars when threatened with jail time.
Not saying it's a great enforcement tool, but it can be effective.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can, but a lot of states wonโt. Itโs also super rare to jail noncustodial parents.
Most states have such stupidly low standards for what you have to pay. Making up to $75,000/year in Kansas (where the cost of living is ungodly cheap. Think buying a 2,000 square foot house for $100,000) you can get away with $50/month.
stickstickley87 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd say the main loser is the dad. The child doesnโt have to go to jail.
magnet_4_crazy ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:55:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone with a deadbeat father, I'd rather him sit in jail and not pay than to be free to do what he likes and still not fucking pay.
KarmabearKG ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:57:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is some difference though a deadbeat imo is someone who can pay but doesn't but there are most definitely father's in jail who cannot pay reasonably but still end up in jail and we'll yeah they will definitely be able to pay now after they've been in jail and can't find a job the systems is fucked in some cases, but obviously if your father could pay and was just an asshole that's different.
itsnotnews92 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:36:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where is it the case that if you can't afford to pay you get thrown in jail? Most states have many, many ways to enforce a child support order short of throwing the parent in jail, such as wage garnishment, placing a lien on real/personal property, withholding federal and state benefits, etc.
And support orders can always be modified if there is a significant change in circumstances, such as getting laid off.
The idea that the county is going to come to your house to throw you in jail when you can't afford your payments is ridiculous.
bubblesculptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to a ridiculous court system!
farmtownsuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With how slow and annoying our legal system is I have no doubt that there are instances of people going to jail who really just couldn't pay and couldn't get the courts to fix the order in time. But you're right, it's very rare for someone to go to jail who legitimately can't afford to pay.
itsnotnews92 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family law is not my practice area, but a judge isn't going to issue an arrest warrant for criminal contempt of court if there's a modification petition pending. Just my two cents.
Obviously if a parent hasn't begun the modification process, the court isn't going to know about the changed circumstances and will follow ordinary procedure, whatever that may be in a given jurisdiction.
Barafu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rare? Like 10% of all imprisoned men? What I really doubt is that someone could pay the money but prefer to go to prison instead.
magnet_4_crazy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously thereโs a difference. Just didnโt see a comment about the assholes like my father, had to interject.
KarmabearKG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Carry On.
Barafu ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People like you make laws.
magnet_4_crazy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is an insult. I was just trying to give perspective that all people in there arenโt honest hard working guys that canโt pay up. Maybe I put too much of my personal anger into the original post.
_CryptoCat_ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah most are assuming these fathers are honest men who just made a mistake or had some bad luck. Chances are the majority are assholes who wonโt pull their weight to minimise the hardship broken up families place on kids.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you blame your dad? Maybe he didn't even want kids to begin with. I know it's hard to believe, because your mom probably told you what a piece of garbage your dad is/was but never forgot who chose that deadbeat.
Do you want the solution for deadbeat dads? Tell the women to stop having kids with deadbeats.
magnet_4_crazy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, this guy...
checks /u/tempski 's post history
"People who don't want to take any responsibility for their actions say stuff like that.Most things don't "just happen", you make them happen by your actions and decisions." - /u/tempski
So why doesn't my father have to take any responsibility for his actions?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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magnet_4_crazy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was not, they were married. Iโm also not the only kid. Just the youngest.
tempski ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:36:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the guy agreed to have a baby, I believe the woman is responsible in this case because the woman is the one that decides to have the baby.
If the guy signed up for the job he should pay up.
Like I said, you are probably brainwashed by your mom to place all blame on the guy and I understand that. Because you feel that he abandoned you guys.
I know a lot of guys who think like you because they too were raised by single moms. Just don't forget it was your mom who chose the the guy to impregnate her and have you even if he was against it.
cuyfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My kid needs shoes jim
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably kill myself. Not strong enough for that shit
sagemoody ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:12:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like most of the dads I know that donโt pay child support are douches who donโt care about their kids and never did. I know more of them personally than dads who simply canโt afford it.
But they went to court, the judge told them they had to do something, then they didnโt, so they went to jail. Itโs nobody elseโs fault.
But you are 100% correct. The child suffers. But I guarantee you that they already were suffering.
Gotforgot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They also get MANY warnings and opportunities to handle it before they are thrown in jail. At least in my state anyway. My ex has defaulted several times for many months at a time. He can technically be behind 90 days before they threaten to suspend his driver's license. Then he can also just pay a minimum amount (nowhere near the monthly total) without getting in trouble, even though it still accrues. After a few of those minimum payments, he's no longer in default even though now he owes more than before! Then the 90 day cycle can repeat.
He makes more than enough to handle it. He just doesn't want to do it and thinks he shouldn't have to. So I have to struggle to pay bills and never have a consistent amount to count on. I'm going to bet the majority of them in jail have had several opportunities to work something out if they wanted to.
ScatteredCastles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:52:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not always. In fact, South Carolina got their pee-pee smacked by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011 for just carelessly tossing men in jail for being late on child support with no due process.
gets_that_reference_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who, lacking support from the parent, will become disadvantaged and have a higher likelihood of going to prison themselves, perpetuating the cycle and keeping cells filled for maximum profit. Funny what happens when maximum occupancy is incentivized.
msspi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you suppose they do instead?
john_eh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just give them some sort of piece-work job. Like, mofo you are here until you make 10,000 widgets, and we can pay your ex and let you go.
mweb32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like suspending a kid for skipping school.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, You're an irresponsible person who had kids you can't pay for? How about you do nothing and the state will pay for your food and housing.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not all that clear cut.
I know a guy who got a demotion from work but since his support was fixed on the $3 more an hour he was making, they wouldn't adjust it for his new salary.
When you're originally making like $12 an hour and get cut back to $9, $650 in support a month does not leave enough leftover for a livable income.
You are right, the only loser in this situation is the child.
JelliedHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do believe they often factor in ability to pay when jailing deadbeats. The guys in jail for failure to pay aren't just in hard times. There's typically proof that they had the funds and didn't anyway.
Additionally, inability to pay court mandated child support is often not a surprise. After the first warning the parent is instructed to inform the court immediately if they are not able to pay for any reason. Arrangements are made. The guys in jail are habitual, repeat offenders, that usually deliberately do not pay when they have the ability to do so, and also do not abide by the instruction to contact the court if they cannot pay.
It's much rarer than reddit thinks for a parent to be jailed for failure to pay.
RS177 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A child can be fine if they have a successful mother but the father's bank account is in shambles.
spiderlanewales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the kid and/or their mom getting the money, or the prison system getting funds to incarcerate you and look "tough on crime."
Treedubz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone loses. The kid doesnโt get what he/she needs, the mom doesnโt get her money, the dad goes to jail, and taxpayers are paying for their stay.
towelofapproval ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs kind of awful is that the state wonโt even listen to the other parent? So many parents really donโt want the other parent locked up for not paying child support. I mean theyโre often the first to know you canโt get blood from a stone. In the stateโs mind, however, a parent not being able to pay up, makes the child dependent on the state (granted true). The government is calling the shots. We voters should really consider this an important issue exacerbating poverty.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% agree. Now they also bar tag renewals for vehicles until arrangements or past dues are paid. So they're now left without a current drivers license AND a current vehicle registration. Which if caught just makes everything that much worse.
Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would actually be a lot cheaper to pay the state to pay for the child than lock someone up.
It doesn't benefit anyone involved and costs a shit load of money.
Sean951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not supposed to benefit that parent being locked up, it's meant to punish them.
mc_md ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the main loser is still the dad. The kid still has a mom and the court system taking anything the dad ever manages to get. Nobody gives a shit about the dad.
CokeHeadRob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:45:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember child me being furious at this logic and that nobody seemed to see it this way. Dad wasn't going to pay but at least there was a chance with him out of jail.
BlondeLawyer ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:38:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my state itโs only the people that willfully donโt pay that get sent away. Have a good job and can support yourself and your kids but just donโt want to? They will enforce that. Lost your job but canโt find another? Theyโll keep giving you breaks.
Uriah_Heep ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:46:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's how it is everywhere. People above are just assuming otherwise. Wage garnishment is the typical path for enforcement of child support.
dirt-reynolds ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:59:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is. It takes years of missed payments and completely blowing off the court to land in jail. Judges would rather put someone violent in jail vs a deadbeat dad.
ScatteredCastles ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:58:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?
Fuck_Fascists ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:38:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a reason for us to believe you do?
dirt-reynolds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I haven't done background investigations for over 4 years and looked at countless people's criminal records and read thousands of court dockets or anything.
So, yes I know exactly what I'm talking about. How about you, how many dockets have you read?
BlondeLawyer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Wage garnishment doesnโt work for the self-employed folks. They are more likely to find themselves locked up for failure to pay.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:28:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate parents, mothers and fathers alike, who willingly don't pay child support. When my mom was behind on her payments (my dad told me way too much dirt on mom to breed hate), I was fairly certain it was because she was broke. But my niece's dad is a POS and deadbeat. I just wish he'd sign away his parental rights. Let your kid have a chance at having a decent parent take over (my now brother in law is a great guy and wants to adopt her)
bufedad ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's only people that the Judge believes willfully aren't paying. All someone has to do is convince a judge that he's making more than he's claiming, and child support is set higher than he can afford (imputed income). Don't pay what you can't afford? Well, you are willfully refusing to pay.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad refused to pay child support. He was making $6k/month, only had to pay $132 in child support A MONTH and still fucking refused to pay. It came down to going to jail or signing away his rights. My step-dad adopted me.
I know this because when I turned 18 my mom handed over every court report, his income statements, etc. to prove he was a piece of shit. She never out right said this, she wanted me to come to the conclusion on my own.
itsnotnews92 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:32:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lawyer here with some family law experience.
The idea that it's a "modern day debtor's prison" to lock up parents who don't pay child support is bullshit. It's the family law equivalent of the "hurr durr a woman spilled coffee on herself and won millions from McDonald's, how stupid!" lamentation that always comes up when you mention personal injury law.
If you can't pay child support, then it is your responsibility to seek a modification of your child support order to reduce payments, or to find a program that will help you stay current. Child support is really importantโit's to provide for the well-being of a child. That's not a light responsibility.
When parents just blow off their payments (especially when they can afford it), jail time for criminal contempt is an appropriate punishment because a court order is being disobeyed. That's serious stuff. The integrity of the judicial system depends on its power to enforce its own judgments and orders.
Cougar_9000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:08:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a bunch of dudes I used to work construction with that would take cash jobs and not get bank accounts just to avoid paying child support. Court can't seize what it can't find. They'd get locked up every now and then and get a straight job for a few months, get the system off their back, and then back to cash jobs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Thesaurii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As mentioned, the failure to pay is willful. You are choosing to hide your income with cash jobs, or just not pay with your ordinary job. You could live below your current means and pay.
But you aren't so you get locked up and lose money because of it. But the kid wasn't getting a goddamn dime from you anyway, so the kid isn't affected. Its harder to get a job now, which is sad, but maybe you'll find one and remember how much it sucked last time and actually pay to support your kid.
ScatteredCastles ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. Child support has NOTHING to do with the cost of raising a child. Kids need food and clothing and school supplies, right? What do those things cost? It doesn't matter. If I earn twice as much as you, does that mean the food my kids eat costs twice as much as the food your kids eat? Their school supplies cost twice as much? If I get a 20% raise, is it suddenly 20% more expensive to raise my kids? Child support is about fleecing the dad. No one gives a shit about the welfare of the kids. It's like having a discussion about student loans, but never once ever asking about tuition numbers.
Okay, what about child visitation? How many moms deny or interfere with court-appointed child visitation with dad AND end up in jail? Hey, a court order is a court order, right? We're talking about the "integrity of the judicial system", right? (oh God, did you actually write that with a straight face?) Why is there no Division of Child Visitation Enforcement? If my ex-wife denies visitation, will men with guns lock her in a cage? Keep dreaming, buddy.
How's the view from your moral high ground?
stickstickley87 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:37:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Bullshit. โJust get a modification.โ Were it not so simple... most jurisdictions will let you attempt that max once every six months. And most judges say fuck you anyway, get a job you bum.
itsnotnews92 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't be arsed to seek a modification of your child support order, then yeah, prison's probably the place for you because you don't seem to really care about your support obligation. And if you're unemployed and aren't seeking work, then yes, you're probably not eligible for a modification.
What's your beef with the system? Think it's some grand conspiracy to keep men down? But the easiest way to avoid participation in the system is to, you know, not have kids.
skepticalbob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:50:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's a men's rights sub poster. They don't get good information there. Its a weird echochamber.
monkeyballs7548 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:09:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I felt that way too, until my separation when he decided to work off the books so he doesn't have to pay :/
epmoya ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:07:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it doesnโt seem logical for people that really try to pay but just canโt seem to make enough BUT there are the other people who are just complete pieces of shit that refuse to pay. Case in point, my granddaughters 32 year old father...that mother fucker just doesnโt want to help pay for the care of his daughter at all. He wants his visitation and is always asking for more time or to switch his time to accommodate his schedule but he is thousands upon thousands in arrears.
Problem is that he has no issues going out drinking every weekend, playing softball on league teams all the time, going on trips with his buddies, and just being genuinely a shitty person and a REALLY shitty parent. He doesnโt pay anything and itโs up to my daughter to provide all of my granddaughters care and support (food, housing, daycare, clothing, medical...). She has been trying for over a year to get the courts to help her but he always has some excuse and has avoided jail every time. They go to court again tomorrow and the lawyer is going to ask, again, he be jailed for non payment until someone comes up with his arrearages. He wonโt learn that he needs to help support his daughter until he loses his freedom for a while.
Examples of his shitty parenting:
He has another daughter, 13, that he doesnโt pay for either.
He will skip his visitation with my granddaughter, 2 years old, if it conflicts with his softball or even just a party with his friends. He does this alllll the time.
He just went on a cruise with his shitty family and took his 13 year old daughter with him. While boarding the ship they got busted trying to bring pot on board in their bags. He even put some in his daughters bag โto help out his familyโ. Then he got pissed at her and wouldnโt talk to her because she got mad he did that.
He gets my granddaughter to say shit about her mother, my daughter, then records it and posts it on social media to make it look like she hates her mother.
There is no end to shitty things he does.
Edit: I forgot to mention that time he left my granddaughter alone in a running, unlocked car while he ran into the store to get drinks for his softball game. She was an infant at the time. My daughter pulled into the parking lot while he was in the store and busted him. She should have called the cops that day.
In closing, he belongs in jail for a while.
New Edit:
They went back to court today and he has to pay her almost $2000 before the next court date in 3 weeks or he goes to jail, IF he pays that then he has 10 days after that to pay the rest or he goes to jail. In either case, if he goes to jail his bond will be set at how ever much he owes in back support.
The judge was pissed that he went on a cruise because of the cost associated with it and because he should have been working instead of vacationing.
My daughter was also awarded $1600 in legal fees caused by having to continually go to court for his nonpayment.
Finally, Justice is being served!
ScatteredCastles ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what? Should he be denied visitation if he's not paying? Let's turn this around. I pay child support, and I'm allowed visitation. But visitation is spotty and unsatisfactory at best. So, should I be allowed to withhold child support until I get what I want?
epmoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did I say deny him visitation? I said he should be in jail for willfully not paying support. My point was that he only cares about what he wants and not a bit about the child. Heโs defying a judges orders on purpose...not because of hardship, because heโs a fucking dick! If he goes to jail itโs because of himself. My daughter would never think of trying to withhold visitation, although plenty of women do, because she knows that my granddaughter would be the one to suffer. She never says a bad thing about him in front of her even though he constantly does, proof is in the videos he posts.
SargeSlaughter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:01:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my state at least incarceration is only used as a last resort against delinquent or non-compliant child support obligors and typically only against people who have demonstrated they have the means to pay their support obligations but simply choose not to and/or find ways to hide their assets.
I agree that it's foolish and counterproductive to incarcerate people who don't have the means to pay their support obligations but there is such a thing as dead beat dads and incarceration is pretty much the only enforcement mechanism you have left once all other avenues have been exhausted.
rudekoffenris ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:56:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While not true all the time, it's more people who try to avoid paying child support, rather those that can't, altho there probably are some of those.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:26:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually not true. If you don't pay, the government can garnish your wages or even seize your bank assets. That's how necessary child support is deemed.
The only exception would be drug dealers sleeping on mattresses full of cash...
rudekoffenris ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well sure, and they can take your driver's license and passport too (happened to a guy I know). I'm sure there are lots of people who try to avoid paying support.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes lots try. But if you have a SSN linked to a job getting reported to the IRS, and the mother follows up with the court when you don't pay, you can't just "avoid" it.
rudekoffenris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And nobody can avoid paying income taxes either, am I right?
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The IRS is understaffed and overworked, and they don't get rewarded for bringing in money.
Family courts are difectly funded by fees they take off child support and alimony payments. It's a self feeding machine and a huge conflict of interest.
towelofapproval ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs interesting. What jurisdiction?
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All of US. It's most famous in California and there are documentaries about it
towelofapproval ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are talking about court fees. All courts are partially sustained through filing and administrative fees. Not just family courts, and all parties pay them (unless there is a provision for loser pays, or better-off financially spouse pays). I thought you were referring to something unique about family courts. My bad.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The court fees fund the judge's salaries and are proportional to how much child support is ordered.
If a traffic court judge finds too many people innocent they don't have to worry about losing their job.
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's still a government agency.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but it doesn't have the limitations you implied
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you say so.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You disagree with the existence of their financial incentive?
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i believe in the apathy of the government employee and their lack of ability to do a good job.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go visit a family court lol. Judges are mostly divorced women who hate men. They're not typical beaurocrats.
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Judges don't do the daily work associated with their judgements.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think the judge's order garnishments and the admin never follow through?
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they try, somewhat.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ok again go visit family court
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only exception is false.
Working under the table. Working for your parents. Being supported by a girlfriend or something, but keeping it hidden.
There are many options. This resonates with me because my friend recently got her case closed for child support. That dude is not in jail or was ever even close to being in jail. He works under the table and has his girlfriend's name on everything.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many adults make a living working under the table? Is your friend a drug dealer or a babysitter?
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my sweet summer child. It's a lot. I mean it's not like everyone, but it's a lot.
Pizza shops, bars, restaurants. They will all do under the table. How do you think illegals make money ? That's under the table.
I had a friend who worked under the table for a cleaning company. The candy store she works at now pays one of their other employees under the table.
A different friend did landscaping stuff under the table. A bar near me pays an older couple to clean it weekly and that's under the table.
It's not hard to find a job like that if you know where to look. Plenty of places do it. I could probably think of more if I kept going but these were the first bunch I thought of.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have friends working at Pizza shops, bars, restaurants. They all insist on w2s... And paying someone $20 a week for some small things isn't a living.
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not every single place, but there are some. And just because they give one person a W2 doesn't mean they all do.
The only small thing I listed could be bar cleaning. They get $200 a week to do it, so idk how that is small. Maybe landscaping if you think I mean mowing lawns, but I don't.
Literally the rest of those you can make a living off of.
Idk what you want me to tell you. Your view is naive. Go to New York sometime and see how many people there are working under the table. Meet some international students. Most of them can't legally work. A lot of them do work anyway.
https://www.npr.org/2013/03/26/175361658/trillions-earned-under-table-as-more-work-off-radar
This lists EVEN MORE ways to work off the books. It's a pretty real situation.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many international students are dodging child support lol
How many people cleaning tables once a week for $50 are dodging child support
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did not say the only people who do this are international students. I am saying they are part of the group of people who work under the table which you deny exists.
You also keep insisting I'm talking about people doing stuff for $50 a week and that is not the case.
Idk what else to say to you. The problem is there. I'm not saying it's a majority, but it's there.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many do you think there are working full time under the table while dodging US court ordered child support?
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A small percentage.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not even worth considering
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So that small percentage of children deserve to get fucked over with no child support because it's not worth considering ?
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That one child, yes. Because we have bigger fish to fry than hunting down all the illegals for that one case.
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did not say only people who are illegals work under the table. Plenty of people from America do it as well. I also never said it's one child.
It's a small percentage. Meaning more than one, but less than a quarter of the cases.
So yes they are important.
Here are a bunch of links from a very cursory google search:
http://info.legalzoom.com/can-ex-working-under-table-not-paying-child-support-24935.html https://stepstojustice.ca/common-question-plus/family-law/what-if-my-partner-paid-cash-or-hiding-money-avoid-paying-child-support http://fox6now.com/2014/07/16/facebook-posts-get-deadbeat-parents-busted-for-not-paying-child-support/ https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/what-proof-do-courts-need-to-prove-someone-is-work-1875505.html
It's pretty common and you are ignoring it like it's nothing. It's sad.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes Facebook posts are the best place to get statistics
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You only ever reply to one part of the post, so I'm going to assume you didn't read or look at any of them. That particular article is about how women who are not receiving child support use their ex's facebook posts where they clearly have a car/money to show that they do indeed make money and are avoiding paying child support.
It's not really about statistics via Facebook posts, but alright.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh a man has a car to get to work, he must have an extra $600 to pay the average monthly child support payment! All that sweet $4/he under the table cash!
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except again if you read the articles you would see most of them pay the minimum to stay out of jail if they pay anything at all. I'm not saying they should pay the $600 average. I'm saying if you own a car, you probably have enough to send SOME money for child support when a lot of them don't.
Also you keep acting like people can't make a living working under the table and I've already shown you that's false.
Keep rejecting information and living in lies.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird how you think there are so many men working in the shadows, making huge amounts of money and being scofflaws.
It's like those Republicans who say poor people don't need help because 90% have a fridge lol
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird that you go from a small percentage meaning 1 child to a small percentage meaning "so many men" yet here we are.
Poor people do need help and it has nothing to do with whether or not they own a fridge. I have no idea how that is relevant.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:52 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You say there are so many, I didn't
You say owning a car means having $600/mo, which is just like my example of poor hating Republicans.
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:49 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said there are so many. I said it was a small percentage.
I never brought up the $600. You did. I never said owning a car means having $600. So I have no idea how those are like your Republican example because I never said any of those things.
You should probably go back and reread.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:06 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$600 is median child support payment
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:21 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And ?
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:02 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And having a car doesn't mean you can afford that
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:09 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I never said that having a car means you can afford that. I said having a car implies you have at least some money to send even if it's $20 a week.
So your Republican comment is pointless because you are saying I believe something you made up and comparing it to Republicans. Well I think you love rubbing smelly feet covered in grapes on your face and that's probably why you are like this.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:44 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men get arrested for only paying $20 of $600...
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:11 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
20/week = $100/$600. Assuming they are paying the average which not everyone does. Also I am pretty sure we should be looking at the average monthly owed for people who don't consistently pay. Not across the board. So for all we know this number could go up or down by hundreds of dollars.
And my entire point was that we need to improve the system. Meaning both for people who aren't paying, but can, and for the people who are paying, but can't pay all of it. Both situations give you the option to file more in court, but they put the burden of proof largely on the parents. And it's not particularly easy to take care of a child, work, and set up shit for courts by yourself because if your child support payments are fucked you probably can't afford a lawyer.
You want to keep twisting and twisting the point, but it's not changing.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:50 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who told you the burden is on the court? That's why they use jail lol, so the burden is on the man
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:56 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"but they put the burden of proof largely on the parents."
Lrn 2 read. I never said the burden was on the court.
bitcointothemoonnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:55 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I meant burden on parents. That's why the court exists
LeroyTheBarman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:43:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually not that the can't pay child support it's that they won't. A friend of mine going through this with an ex. He has not shown up to court for 3 hearings so the judge has granted her permission to take it straight from his wages.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:44:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So they should just get off scot free? They were the idiots who had unprotected sex when they couldn't afford to have kids to begin with. Kids don't just happen, they made a conscious choice and now have to deal with the consequences. If you can't afford to pay for a child then don't have unprotected sex. You don't go to jail after not paying once or twice or even three times. You go to jail after not paying for a VERY long period of time. You get more than enough chances before it reaches that point. It really is extremely simple logic.
Trap_Cubicle5000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:33:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah reddit's always so sympathetic to fathers but my dad can be a shady dude sometimes and he hires these child-support dodgers for cheap under the table. They have been running from paying child support for years. They specifically seek out employers like him just to get out of paying.
I don't think debtors prisons make any sense but these are dudes that get out of paying their bills (and taxes) and leave it up to the rest of society to pay for their responsibilities. No they shouldn't go to jail but fuck those guys. It ain't about the fact that they can't pay it's that they don't want to.
Charredcheese ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know a lot of contraceptives aren't 100% effective right?
Sean951 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:03:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And kids don't just happen. Your statement doesn't contradict this.
Charredcheese ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It contradicts "They made a conscious choice" and "don't have unprotected sex".
There's also a chance that the mother won't want an abortion even with an unexpected pregnancy.
Sean951 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't want kids, don't have sex. It's always a possibility, so if you're unwilling to follow through with the potential obligations if the mother keeps the kid, your only option is celibacy.
Charredcheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very extreme stance.
Sean951 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Men can't get abortions. Contraceptives aren't 100%. Have all the sex you want, as often and with as many people as you want. But if your luck fails and you knock someone up, you need to pay child support. Aren't willing to pay child support? Then don't have sex.
scrappleking ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I clerked for a judge who occasionally heard cases involving dads who were locked up for not paying. It's far from the norm and often takes multiple, multiple missed payments. I get the shock at the seemingly poor logic of it, but it's not that common. Everyone in the system hates when it gets to that point, but it's often due to an endless series of second chances.
eddiekoski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wont prison make it even harder to pay child support?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was roommates in a halfway house with a guy trying to get out of this very situation. His wages were being garnished to cover the back child support - full time job and every two weeks he would get paid like 15 dollars. We would all pitch in a few bucks to help the guy. I can't imagine the situation helped him stay sober.
gsloane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are dad's who will pay for hookers and not a dime for kids. They get chance after chance to pay something, anything, work out a plan. If they are behind bars it's most likely because they are criminally negligent parents. And I'm sure your really great friend never did a bad thing and was literally doing nothing when they just shipped him off for no reason, but that's not most of these deadbeats.
Shift84 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:22:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So my ex and I seperate on pretty good terms. We didn't really fight but we also didn't really care for each other all that much. So we made a plan for the boy. I gave her half of my savings to get her on her feet, and then she was going to get half my pay for the next year to give her time to get setup. At the end of the year I was separating from the military and going to school, so the amount I could pay was going to be a good bit lower until I finished.
She was in the states and ended up doing all the paperwork for the divorce, we agreed we didn't want the government being involved in our personal affairs and we were very reasonably sure we could manage the situation ourselves.
So she's getting the paperwork and stuff done, and some dick headed, dead eyed person in the office all this gets done gives her a hard time about not using the state services for the child support. She makes a compelling argument to her about how anything could happen and if I just decided to stop paying she would be left high and dry. So she talks to this lady and has her explain what the least amount of involvement is that would keep her "safe".
She explains to me its mother's a big deal and we still get to make decisions on how much I pay and all this business so it's basically like it's not even happening, or so the lady said. So the first year she ended up with around 55k straight from savings and a large chunk of my pay, got herself a place, a job, boyfriend, she was doing really good.
I end my military contract and get back to the states. So I lay her every month to her bank account right. Come to find out neither of us were really explained the situation. I HAD to pay the state, and the state would then pay her. So they now say I owed around 20k in back child support. She gets it all cleared up, I get my fucking driver's license unsuspended and we go to get it figured out.
So remember how we had agreed to lower amount when I seperated. Well now that I have to pay the government instead of her, I can't make the full payment so the suspend my license again.
She has spent around 70 something hours AT the courthouse trying to fix the situation. So finally we go to ask politely that they get the hell out of our business we don't need them. They say no, it's about the child and it isn't OUR decision to make.
Its been a little over two years now. I don't eve bother paying the government the money because I can't pay the amount they want. My ex wife files affidavits every few months so the amount I owe doesn't get out of hand. Missouri asked Florida where I live to enforce the order, but they talk to each other via carrier pigeon and smoke signals so at any given time I owe Missouri between 0 and 8 grand, but if you look at what Florida says I owe something like 40k at the moment.
Florida won't talk to either of us. My ex just broke down the other day on the phone about all of it and I had to bite my fucken lip and comfort her about the situation since we are pretty close friends. All because some "all dudes are asses, no way you can manage this stuff alone, fuck him over before he fucks you over" shitty officer worker that couldn't just do her fucking job.
I don't have a license, I have to have my wife register my car, when I drive to work and school I risk being arrested, they take my wife's and my income taxes, my awesome credit score is ruined, and every time I go into that child support office they treat me like the biggest deadbeat they've ever met, even with all the evidence in front of them that I faithfully make sure my son is take care of and help my ex wife every single month for the past several years and she is just as not ok with the system as I am.
I think here in the next few months we can finally petition to get the amount lowered, I'm almost 100% sure they are going to say fuck you and not lower it at all.
They US child support system has single handedly ruined a good chunk of my life for no real reason either my ex wife or I can figure out. Something about this being better for my son.I
Edit, I'm sorry man, I didn't mean to unload all that onto you. I just haven't really actually said anything about the situation and I just kind of eat it. I kinda went off on a tangent there.
stickstickley87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. Man that fucking stinks and shows what a fucked up system we live in. Fuck that social worker in the ear. Most of em are big government bureaucracy pieces of shit anyway. I fucking hate do-gooder Nanny state representatives.
Shift84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's crazy, and it's even crazier that even when my ex and I show up in court, together, to say that we want the government to stop involving themselves in this private business of ours they can just say no.
Neither of us have a criminal record. My ex wife is a nurse, I am a veteran, our son is super smart, and in great health. I've literally never really had a problem with anyone until all this shit was dropped on us, and now I get treated like a criminal because of it.
Anywho, the boy turns 18 in 6 years, I should be finishing engineering school in 2 and my current wife only has 5 years of service left. We are moving out of the country once he's old enough to vote. This shit seriously soured my opinion of our government as a system.
drbusty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Virginia if you can't pay your court fees they take your license. So, getting to work becomes harder....
ThotbGot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My father had to do a month for not paying child support to my mother. He never paid for it and racked up a debt of over 30k. He refused to find a job, his reasoning was because he wanted to find a job that he would be happy with and not like a McDonaldโs cashier. So sometimes just putting dads in for a month or two for not paying is just for motivation and not because they didnโt get paid enough.
dirt-reynolds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, you think they just toss someone in jail for missing a payment? It takes years of missed payments, multiple convictions and wilfully ignoring the court. Your first conviction will be probation with a possible suspended sentence. Contrary to what Reddit thinks, it's hard to land in jail. You won't do any jail if it's a first conviction and not a high level felony or violent. All you'll do is the night or weekend you got arrested.
stickstickley87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, probation, the golden ticket to a job.
dirt-reynolds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The easiest thing in life to do, is not go jail.
Not to mention that if you only get the one nonviolent conviction, you will be able to get that expunged in most cases. So, yes probation. You break the law there has to be consequences.
pinkjello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt they only do that if the father is capable of working and chooses not to? I have a friend who owes his ex-wife about $30k Iโm back child support. She has given him plenty of time to pay, but he married a woman who has money and just decides not to get a job because he refuses any job less than $100k/year.
He doesnโt have the skills, qualifications, or education for a job paying that. He managed to lie his way into one a few years back and lasted less than 90 days. Ever since then, he refuses to โlower his standardsโ and accept a job paying what heโs worth, which is probably like 60/year.
He doesnโt need money and is just ignoring his child support obligation. I actually support his going to jail. He could easily get a decent job if heโd be willing to take a step down.
burkechrs1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Current girlfriend's ex-husband served a few months for just this. It's not as simple as them not being able to afford it and getting put in jail for it, the courts work with you with that if that is legitimately the truth.
He got locked up because he was in contempt of court 4 times over it. He made $4500/mo and lived with his mom. He had $1200/mo in bills. He owed her $600/mo in child support on top of that. He refused to pay so she took him back to court. Court ordered him to pay all back child support which his bank statements proved he had the money available to do so. He refused that. Took him to court again and the court said you have 48 hours to direct deposit it to her account or your wages will be garnished. Instead of doing that he removed direct deposit from his job and withdrew all his money, cashed his checks manually. Dude just flat out told the judge 'idgaf I'm not paying her' so he was arrested and had to do time. He even had a sentence reduction opportunity from 90 days to 30 days if he paid in full yet still refused.
It's unacceptable what some men and women do to get out of paying child support and they should absolutely have their freedom temporarily revoked if they are malicious about refusing.
Clbull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's bad, did you know that male rape victims whose children were conceived during the rape have to pay child support under US law?
jeezijonne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never got this. You can't pay child support solution is we will put you to jail which costs a lot more to the goverment or state in USA not sure how it works but why not give the money they spend putting that guy in jail to the child?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre trying to deter other dads from not paying. Also the money inmates earn working inside goes directly to the child support.
Neuroticmuffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well thankfully that's not the case in all countries. It seems crazy that it's even a thing really
LemonJongie23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brat support is a scam and needs to be abolished
ladykensington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, but child support arrears continue to pile up while a person is incarcerated, meaning youโre even farther behind when you got out. (True for all noncustodial parents who get locked up - not just the ones in for nonpayment of child support.)
Stasis20 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience as a domestic relations attorney, there are very few "you can't pay" situations and very, very many "you just won't pay" situations.
If you're making an effort, a real effort, at keeping a job and paying your arrears, the child support enforcement units, attorneys, and judges have no interest in putting you in jail. That would be stupid. Of course they want you to keep your job and keep paying. We're all in agreement with that. Or if you have a legitimate reason why it is you have been unable to pay, the court is going to give you ample opportunities to resolve the problem and get back on track.
If you're a habitual dead beat who has the ability to work/pay and you continually refuse to do so, yea, your ass is going to jail. And we all know that it's not going to help you pay, but it's a last resort when we have no other method of getting it through your thick head. I hate it, but the alternative is throwing our hands in the air and saying "Well, I guess you just get away with not paying."
RandomCandor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It reminds me of the classic "I'll give you something to cry about!" from generations past.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cant exactly make money to pay child support while in jail
Also probably doesnt help future job prospects, to make more money, for child support
SiberianPermaFrost_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the US put people in prison for profit.
198_Dudes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Losing your current job and making it difficult to get a new job is really going to help the guy make payments.
Oh well at least he isn't incuring new debt while in prison.
Just kiding. The debt never stops.
Starbourne8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You never hear about women being imprisoned for not paying child support.
grewapair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When mom can't pay, we give her free food and section 8 housing. But women and men are equal.
borkthegee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason it is like this is because men used to get dozens of women pregnant and skip the fuck out and if a court in another state said pay up they'd laugh all the way to fuckin up a few more kids.
If you want to understand why you go to jail for fucking a chick, putting a kid in her, and skipping out, then go back in time 100 years and take a fucking gander at how truly fucked up our society was.
God I don't think a single man in this thread truly understands what society looked like pre-abortion and pre-women's liberation.
P.S. you may not know people in the system but the guys in jail for not paying child support are 9 out of 10 choosing not to pay, not "good, upstanding men holding up jobs and trying desperately to do things right". You gotta go through several levels of "you have to pay" before this happens, so generally speaking it's deadbeats who make a choice not to pay. Often they'll voluntarily choose to not have a job because "that fuckin bitch will take it all anyway, what's the point" etc etc
stickstickley87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The womanโs lib movement that puts birth control in the hands of women?
borkthegee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The women's lib movement that changed society such that women could hold real jobs, get real educations, be a head of household, and not be completely subservient on a father or husband for her basic sustenance.
Sure would be hard to have a child from a deadbeat loser who pays you $0 when you are literally unable to get a proper education, hold a proper job, and buy a proper house in your community.
You know, that women's lib.
stickstickley87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And yet, women still fuck these retards and get knocked up... how liberated.
DatDude37 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edgy but you arenโt wrong. I refuse to place all the blame on men when it takes 2 to tango so to speak.
The_Mad_Hand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the logic is your children with never be able to compete with my children for jobs.. hehehehe
Brainrants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"He won't go to school? We won't let him!"
--George Carlin on getting suspended as a kid.
soopahfingerzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, and im suppose to trust Baby momma to spend all of that accordingly. Fuck that, give me my baby instead.
Cooli-OH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be a better solution, but god knows I donโt have it. Most of these guys really outta support their kids, but the amount they must pay should be adjusted to their actual income. Maybe it is? I actually know nothing about the details of child support but I know that lots of people have a hard time paying it
stickstickley87 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know the solution. But youโre not gonna like it, reddit. Bring back the whipping post.
Cooli-OH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo you think they should whip people who donโt pay child support?
stickstickley87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or any other crime, really. Why waste time and money putting people in jail. Bring back the post, the stocks, and the gallows. Better form of justice.
Cooli-OH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol edgy.
Cooli-OH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So when you steal a bagel, you realize at that point that your punishment, as always, will be a whipping. So why not steal 15 bagels? Why not punch a random bystander? If the punishment is always a whipping, people who commit minor crimes may as well commit serious ones since theyโre equally fucked either way. Dumb dumb
stickstickley87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1 lash for each bagel. Double if itโs an everything bagel.
Cooli-OH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much for like stealing a car
1piperpiping ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend growing up and her dad ended up in this situation. Her mom and dad had a really messy divorce, and hated each other, but her mom even like went to court and was like "this is totally backwards and not helping anything, this is only making this shit harder".
wucasyoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone that had a deadbeat dad who didn't pay his child support out of spite I wouldn't mind the idea for him. But i assume that's a minority of the situations for men in prison so I don't support it.
StillAFelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The logic here, at least the logic of the judge in my county, is they will be required to get a job in jail (if they dont the judge wont release them) and the money they get from it will go to their child support
qx3okc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my dad's case he was just a penny pinching stubborn ass that refused to pay. Mom escalated it. He refused to pay and judge said he would go to jail till he was willing to pay something.
Dad went to jail twice.
ErikaSaysSo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them just refuse to pay. My husbandโs mom raised him alone with no child support because his well to do dad wouldnโt pay anything and the state was useless. Jail would have done him good
NoneckGeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are interested why you are wrong hit me up
sre01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side of this, what about the actual pieces of shit that just won't pay for their kids. I know a guy that has gotten fired or quit from every job he's ever had. The last one was at a store and they caught him on camera stealing money from the charity jars on the counter. He spends his days smoking pot, hanging with his obese stripper gf, and posting about libruls online. What do we do with someone like that?
klef25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Child support is based on your income. Fathers that don't pay child support are taking money that they have earned and spending it on themselves or their new fling. They are not jailed for being unable to pay. They're jailed for refusing to pay. Of course, they'll tell you they can't pay. They won't tell you how much they spend on a car or a gun or gambling or drinking.
Bighorn21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I disagree but what do we do with these situations, there has to be some kind of repercussion, you were responsible for bringing the kid into the world and you need to provide for him. I get that its counter intuitive to put them in jail but what can we do to make these guys want to pay the bill.
Outworldentity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
False. Most of this is that they WON'T pay child support or get a job at McDonald's. Judges are smart they question these things and send you to jail if you're a lousy fucking dad that doesn't want to put in the work to support your own child.
Source: worked at a court for a while got to sit in on hundreds of these
ICumAndPee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are times where the father just doesn't want to pay it though
source: my father had a $200 a month payment and was late more than once while spending money on cigarettes and weed
YourSheepsBoyfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From mt experience most dads well mt dad atleast earns $180000 a year and took all the money car and left us with $25 and won't pay child support so...
onlypositivity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't pay child support for a while, and the court worked with me to set up a hardship pause, and was even willing to forgive arrears if my ex would sign off.
Problem is most people in this situation don't call the CSA and share their problems.
Geicosellscrap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck the police. Really they should make you report to work for the city as a slave or some shit, but prison is basically the same thing.
rtroth2946 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This^ SO this.
Here's my theory if I ever get divorced. I aint paying shit. I'll pay child support because they're my kids and I love them but if they think I'm paying the, at the time Ex-Wife, a god damned penny they're smoking crack.
How long you think she's going to last without me making a penny? I wont be able to pay for the kids too. So they'll be out a home, out of food, no clothes, etc and I'll just sit in a fucking cell with a bunch of other deadbeats until the judge comes to their senses that having me locked away or paying spousal support hurts the kids more than her just getting a fucking job and taking care of herself which is why I'd be getting divorced anyway.
See the problem is if jail is the only thing you can do to make me pay spousal support then you can't ratchet it up from there.
AndrewWonjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
welcome to America
northerncrusher ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood that about the US. Here in Canada, if a father doesnโt pay, the court will just order a wage garnishment. This will also affect any tax returns, dividend payouts, etc. The father will never see the money as it will just be deducted automatically at source and forwarded to the legal receiver (either the other parent or social services)
Most debts work this way. If a creditor wants to go through the hassle they can apply to the courts and get a wage garnishment order sent to your employer.
Nobody goes to jail for debt.
towelofapproval ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:57:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail occurs only after wage garnishment and other civil remedies have been attempted. A parent who fails to pay child support ends up in jail as a result of being found in contempt for violating the order to pay child support. This is a possible consequence for violating orders in many other types of cases. A judge makes an individual determination about whether or not a parent is genuinely unable pay. If the parent is unable to pay, the court will make adjustments, were statutorily possible, to their child support obligation. Some states have minimum child support payments. I imagine the big hole in the net that truly indigent parents fall through most often, is failing to make their case that they canโt pay. They probably just fail to show up at court. Typically, the parents in jail are the ones who are intentionally avoiding payment. For example, not reporting wages earned โunder the table.โ
The biggest issue is that this is all wrapped up in the mentality of welfare reform. When a parent doesnโt pay child support, the child and custodial parent often become reliant on the state for support. Thus, the state takes the position that when you donโt pay child support you are stealing from the tax payer.
Everything varies by state.
By briefly reading over Canadian contempt legislation, it appears that Canada does in fact allow imprisonment for violating a court order. Perhaps child support is handled outside of the civil law system, or their is a carve out for child support?
northerncrusher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the case of contempt of court I could see how jail would be warranted. In Canada we have the family courts which I believe are in the US as well (correct me if Iโm wrong). They are a separate and distinct court system, but basically civil in nature.
I also wonder if, having a smaller population and a more centralized federal government with strong taxation powers, itโs just easier to collect in Canada?
Unless someone is hiding money offshore or playing crypto-currency markets, the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) pretty much tracks every dollar everyone is making.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This only works on the US if they report their earnings. If they hide their income, and it is absolutely possible, then wages cannot be garnished.
bufedad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It also requires wages to garnish. If they aren't making any money, they can't pay child support.
Salmon_Quinoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it makes zero fucking sense. A debtor is LESS likely to see money when you send someone to jail.
xXTobyOrNotTobyXx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the modern "If you don't pay your taxes you go to jail"
GreyICE34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hate this shit. Garnish wages? Sure. Debtor's prison? Fuck right off. It should not be a concept.
AkariAkaza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My school used to suspend people for not turning up to school.
"Oh you missed 3 days of school on purpose? Well now you're suspended for 3 days so go home and miss even more school"
Atalanta8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Murica.
Perfectly logical when you realize that the system works just as it is supposed to. For-profit prisons. The prisons make money, see system works.
WintendoU ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also religiously based. If you are married, then there is no child support. If you lose your job, you just lose your job and the family must adapt.
But if you aren't married, then child support is set in stone and if you lose your job or your income is reduced, you go to jail.
Good ol' republican family values. Gotta punish people who don't form a perfect christian family.
Praestolatio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure in Canada you can't go to jail for kot paying child support
sanderudam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:53:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are still debtors' prisons? In America? I thought bankruptcies were a thing in the USA.
50pointdownvote ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is what happens when you let women vote.
Zahille7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like OSS for school
LivingInTheVoid ยท 532 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt pay child support? Letโs put you in a place where you still canโt pay and probably end up not being able to pay once you leave.
cweisspt ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a CO, and most of the dudes never paying weren't paying cuz they were getting paid under the table and didn't want to pay. If you cant pay, because of a loss of job or not being paid enough, there are channels to work it out.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 19:27:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Stasis20 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reposting myself here to reinforce your point.
spiritewolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah idk it still seems fucked to send a dude to jail for that. There are really girls out there who think they can trap men into being in their life forever by having a kid with them. If they donโt claim the child theyโre seen as shitty but if they claim the child theyโre โstepping up and doing the right thingโ. Doesnโt matter that they didnโt ask to be a father. They could have protested through the whole thing.
Iโm honestly so passionate about this topic. My older brother had a very mentally unstable girl force him into fatherhood. He attempted suicide twice. He and I had joked so many times about how weโd be baby-less and rich forever. He never wanted to have kids. He had essentially no way out and has ended up being a father. Heโs a great father and his lil girl is adorable but fuck his ex for doing that to him. He had to quit uni and get a job to pay his stupid child support.
So yeah I think sending a dude away who doesnโt want to have to pay for a kid he didnโt want is fucked up and there should be another solution like giving up their parental rights or idk SOMETHING.
Also Iโm a girl (Iโve made it a habit to say this bc everyone always assumes Iโm male since this is reddit haha)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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spiritewolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Women typically donโt pay child support though. Itโs extremely rare but would honestly make far more sense. You chose to bring this child into the world (assuming she had it of her own free will) then decided you couldnโt do it so you have to pay for it to survive.
Iโve seen both spectrums though. I grew up in the โhoodโ and there were tons of low lifeโs who were honestly just lucky enough to find someone that wanted them intimately. The guys who deal drugs and pocket $500 per week but when their baby needs diapers, they shrug. Also I wouldnโt say they had every option handed to them. Family court is pretty prejudicial.
I get it, I do. But I guess my point is that not every man wants to be a father. Not every man wants to spend all of his money on a child. Some people are selfish as fuck. But thatโs totally okay. If the situation was reversed and dudes were the ones getting knocked up and someone tried to force me into a kid, I wouldnโt give them anything in return. I signed up to get laid not to start a family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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spiritewolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:08:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I realize that haha.
Well, yeah, I would hope anyone having sex recognizes their risks. But there should be a discussion, should the birth control fail, should they decide not to use it for whatever reason (โpull out methodโ), etc, what they would do in a situation where a pregnancy happened.
But with that said birth control does fail more often than youโd think. Especially in younger girls on the pill. The pill is amazing when taken correctly but most girls donโt take it correctly. Then there are girls who lie. Then there are people who mess around without any protection in the heat of the moment. That doesnโt mean theyโre signing up for a baby.
buddybiscuit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, she raped him? Why didn't he go to the police?
Oh wait, he had unprotected sex and then refused to take responsibility for the consequences? Sounds like your brother is a deadbeat.
Saying he "doesn't want to be a father" is stupid. He is. It doesn't matter that he doesn't want to be. The kid still needs diapers and food.
spiritewolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I ever say she raped him?
I think explicitly stating that you donโt want to have kids to her, the girl lying about having the birth control shot and keeping the kid after he told her he didnโt want one (couldnโt afford one, has never been good with kids or babies, asked her if she would be okay with abortion and or adoption at the least), and the two suicide attempts at the thought of having to raise a child should have been more than enough.
But guess what you dumb fucking troll? He did โstep upโ and the mother is the fucking dead beat that forced this child into existence and then decided to do cocaine every weekend instead of take care of her baby. He dropped out of school and got a job to take care of a child he never asked to have.
Someone explicitly stating that they donโt want to be a parent is not stupid at all. Why would you want to have a kid with someone that hates kids and has never wanted them? Why would you want to bring a child into a world where their father tried to kill himself because the thought of being stuck with a child for his whole life scared him to death? You shouldnโt.
Our mom cut ties and divorced my dad after I was born because he was a shitty father and basically admitted he didnโt want to be a parent. THAT was a smart thing for her to do. Far better than forcing someone. If the woman wants the children and the man doesnโt that should be an active part of her thought process when deciding to keep the child: that she may end up raising it on her own and that should be okay with her. A baby is not a weapon you use against someone
Fact is. No one in our family would have blamed him for ditching the situation all together. He signed up for consensual sex with his girlfriend of one month. He didnโt sign up for parenthood. Itโs literally the mothers responsibility (it should be, anyway) to get the baby food and diapers. She is the one that โwantedโ it so badly.
So letโs review the facts again, you fucking dickhead. He stated from the get-go (as a responsible 20 year old should) that he was not interested in having a child and if abortion or adoption was out of the question should she get pregnant, he didnโt want to have sex. The girl lied and said yes. The girl also lied about being on the birth control shot. The girl was off of her bipolar medications. The girl waited until they broke up to decide to keep the baby. The girl then forced my brother into parenthood despite him finding adoption agencies, despite him pleading with her, despite him trying to kill himself twice, despite having never wanted kids.
So go fuck your self. My brother was at a top 20 university for petroleum engineering and now he does IT for a shitty company with a shitty boss so he can support his (admittedly lovely) daughter. Sheโs a great little girl but she has a fucked up mom and a dad who is clinically depressed but trying his best. You donโt know shit.
Itisforsexy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:53:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, there aren't. You're under the (very common) delusion that family court is fair. It is not. It's singular purpose is to fuck men over, extract them of resources to transfer to women, and if a man complains, he's sent to jail for contempt of court. Same thing for child support (which is actually secondary alimony as it has nothing to do with the requirements of the child).
GirlWhoWrites2 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 18:47:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a remarkable amount of people who can pay but refuse to. My ex husband only works under the table jobs because he doesn't way to have to pay taxes or help pay for his son. In the past six years, he's paid $200 towards his son.
I get what you guys are saying about debtor's prison and that's a shitty thing. I don't think it's right. But, I just wanted to clarify that oftentimes it's not a lack of ability to pay, it's a lack of willingness.
And, no. My ex isn't in jail, but he is almost seven years in arrears and while I recognize shit could go bad for him if the courts ever looked into it, I also recognize he made a choice to ignore a legally binding court document.
centran ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:32:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously people get caught for this but I always wondered how do you prove it? Do you subpoena for their bank account records to try and prove they are getting paid under the table? I have a friend who is in the same situation as you and wondered how the hell she would prove he is making much more then he says.
Stasis20 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:04:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very tough sometimes. Yes, bank records are one way. Loan applications are another. For example, if you apply for a credit card and say that you make $50,000.00 per year, you're either lying on your credit card app or the money is coming from somewhere else.
Purchases can help establish income as well. If he's spending more money than he claims he's making, then you can account for the difference.
Subpoenaing employers/contractors to testify helps. Yes, people will sometimes lie for their employees, but more often than not, people won't risk their own ass lying for someone else.
A lot of times it comes down to the judge making the call. Judges can impute income if they believe the person is reporting income below their actual earnings, or even if they have a higher earning capacity and are simply choosing to make less. Judges get good at sniffing out liars. Also, people aren't nearly as good at lying as they think they are. Most people will screw up and the truth has a way of coming out.
spiritewolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Iโm 22 can I sue my dad for 18 years old child support lol
Stasis20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. Depends on your state laws. Most states allow an adult child to sue for support, but there is a statute of limitations. There may also be the issue of whether paternity was established prior to you reaching 18.
The SoL in my state is 23. If you're serious, it wouldn't hurt you to check with a domestic relations attorney in your state, but you probably want to do it sooner rather than later.
Disclaimer: I'm not your lawyer, this is not legal advice, general examples, etc.
Barafu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but if, say, the guy earns 600$ and has to pay 550$, is he considered "can pay but refuse to" ?
GirlWhoWrites2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't aware there were scales of payment that would make the non custodial parent fully destitute. My state has a sliding scale based on how much you make and total support can't exceed some specific percentage. However, my state also says that if you're unemployed you pay $0 and there is no mandatory minimum payment for child support.
Barafu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problems come when people go down in the world. Someone has lost a job after his payment values are established, and the system refuses to re-calculate the payments.
It is a bit simpler in countries where job contracts are obligatory and payment must go through a bank.
P.S. The taxes my granny has to pay are exactly equal to her retirement. So I am a bit angry in this topic.
GirlWhoWrites2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, that's rough. The only perspective I have is through my own situation, so I wasn't aware that there could be such issues. Thanks for letting me know what else is going on out there.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:39:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Julian is a greasy bastard
ItsPronouncedMo-BEEL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A good friend of mine got into a mess with his kids mom when she screwed him on child support he had actually paid. While it was being disputed, the state suspended every single state license he had. They suspended his tattoo license, so he could not work. They suspended his driver's license, so he could not drive to a different job. Fuckers even suspended his fishing license, so he couldn't even live off the damn land. It was ridiculous.
And, of course, all of this guaranteed for sure that he would not generate any income to pay his current child support bill, much less the disputed back amount.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:43:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, flip this around on the married assholes who refuse to pay until the threat of jail is held over them. My sister's ex is doing this right now. She works full-time, and barely survives. Child support would be so nice...but dad is literally like "no way. Gfy."
tempski ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always curious to find out, did the guy want the child in the first place? I can completely understand why someone doesn't want to pay if he was forced in such a situation.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. He was married and was my sister's boss. He knocked her up and told her they'd get married, etc. Everything would be wonderful, she was assured.
Then one day my sister is at her desk, and this woman walks in and asks "is my husband around?" My sister asks "who is your husband?" And lo' it was her "boyfriend". It turns out he has 3 kids already and just liked tormenting my sister.
The real doozy is that the family is still together. I can't understand why people put up with such abuse. I've walked out of relationships from far less abuse.
tempski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would someone have a kid with someone they hardly know though? Why didn't your sister wait to have kids until she married the guy first?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im not gonna suggest she is innocent, but the dude doing the lying is definitely the evil one.
tempski ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No doubt about that and I hope he will get what's coming to him, but like you said, your sister is partly to blame for her role as well.
Ambralin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imo, both parents should have the option, if done early enough (so your story wouldnโt apply), to opt of parental responsibilities such as child-support.
Maker1357 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, never having kids.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 17:48:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's the fault of the kids and not a fucked up and biased court system! ./s
ninja2126 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:55:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's saying that. He's saying he will never put himself in a spot where this could happen. But please continue your political commentary.
Maker1357 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, not saying it's the kid's fault. I just don't want to be put in a situation of paying half my salary to raise a kid I hardly ever see.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:20:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe he isn't.
How the fuck is it political to call out a biased court system?
ninja2126 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:23:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're right! How is it political to call out a political institution? That would be stupid.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:25:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But court systems are supposed to be about justice, not politics. Court systems that are political are rendered illegitimate.
ninja2126 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Governments are made up of self sustaining institutions. Judiciary is one of those institutions. It is political, because the court decisions are influenced by politics.
iredditonreddit21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, congrats on making it thru jail here's your freedom paperwork. Looks like you have some unpaid bills in there. Whats this? You havent paid your child support in the past 2 months? Looks like you're in the wrong line, back in ya go!
I imagine $100% this is how jail works. Lines and jail diplomas.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No joke. After they get out, they won't be getting any job offers or good careers with prison time in their background. But hey, that's the price for being a poor guy.
stackhat47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More likely didnโt. Or wouldnโt.
braindead_rebel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention, actively draining money from taxpayers while putting them in prison. So literally everybody loses.
seanithanegan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt and wonโt are different things with different consequences.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that'll help the kid!
TheSJWing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can get out of jail for work. But they just donโt want to work so they donโt have to pay child support.
Barafu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the only places that would accept such workers are slums where you earn 1$ per hour and where you are guaranteed to get a crippling injury over the course of a year because they never care about safety.
bugaosuni ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's a better idea?
LivingInTheVoid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Make them work a community service oriented job with the funds that would have been spent on his prison costs and have that go towards the child?
bugaosuni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a good idea.
just_an_anarchist ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:58:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of anxiety, I was on trial for 1 1/2 year looking at 5-99 for a while, every month every court appointment was me preparing to say goodbye to everyone just in case for a year and a half.
Ended up with the heaviest charge dropped at my last session, and 2 years of probation.
monetized_account ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:50:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From your language I'm going to assume you're american.
The list above is both sad and deranged.
I don't understand how the american 'justice' system works.
Corsair3820 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:42:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really doesn't work
PillPoppingCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it works perfectly as intended, that is to say to enslave poor minorities. For profit prisons, isn't the free market great? Can't wait to buy my next recreational McNuke.
cryptopanda14 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:00:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing what people go to jail for in the U.S.
Heisse_Scheisse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Land of the free!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Heisse_Scheisse ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:30:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't getting paid in money, I was getting paid in freedom. Every hour in the kitchen was an hour off my sentence. It's why I only served 67 of the 90 days.
JaaanKladiVanDamage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
90% non-violent.*
bunchkles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL: They let you use all 24 of your daily hours in prison.
edit: OP said jail. So you get to keep all 24 hours in jail. They might take some of your hours in prison. That might, in fact, be the difference in the two.
cat_in_your_kung_pao ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OP here specifically says jail.
ViridianNocturne ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:22:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To clear up comments: in America, you don't get thrown in jail for the inability to pay child support. You get thrown in jail for the refusal to pay child support. This is usually after trying to get you to pay something and you simply don't wanna, or after you owe a significant amount that you, again, refuse to pay on. Y'all have no idea how many piece of shit "fathers" out there feel like they don't owe their kids a goddamn thing.
Itisforsexy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is not correct. You can be thrown in jail if you cannot meet the ordered amount (if the total unpaid reaches a certain point). And also, for contempt of court, if the judge feels particularly cruel that day. And contempt of court has no limit. You could be jailed for life. All the while your child support total continues to climb. It isn't paused while you're in prison.
ViridianNocturne ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
King_Of_Ravenholdt ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:20:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is so accurate. The court shit and worry is so much worse than the actual time.
This was the one I didn't really get. There was a guy in my pod who was doing something outrageous like 3 months for missing child support payments. I get it that he needs to be held accountable for the child support the court ordered him to pay, but how is he supposed to pay it after being locked up for 3 months? I guarantee he's not going to have a job waiting for him after being absent for 3 months. Seems a bit self-defeating and there must be a better way.
thedrunkqueen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad wanted joint custody even though he was actually never there. My mom never sought after the money the courts said he should pay but we knew when he was in prison because money would show up. Maybe Texas does it different.
mildiii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How common is it to go go into prison and then go "oh I know those guys from highschool"
I_am_jacks_reddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell were you?
Flashygrrl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm SURE I'll get downvoted to hell for this but couldn't or wouldn't and aren't about to admit they're deadbeats not even trying? Bet at least 1 or 2 of that 10% fall into that designation...
Haikubo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds a bit like my office.
gustomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell were you that they have a cappuccino machine? Whaaat? In the feds?
Oldmanjack789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's so fucked up if you aren't able to pay child support for whatever reason.. I'd be feeling horrible for those dads.
Itisforsexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but no one cares about men, so nothing will change.
MARSPW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
freaking americans never cease to surprise me when it comes to their laws
itsalllintheusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a second i read that as 10% dad's who couldn't edit and I got pretty confused
CowboyLaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some sterling institutions you attended, I'm gathering.
Heisse_Scheisse ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:29:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, the person I knew from high school and one of the guys from college were business majors like me, and were in jail for...conducting business.
The other guy just worked at my college as a cook and I had bought weed from him once. He was in there for a DUI though. He was hilarious and looked exactly like Charles Manson.
CowboyLaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Legit mild LOL. So, nicely done.
grokforpay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This must be Canada, EU, or Scandinavia.
Heisse_Scheisse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Midwest USA. The county is composed primarily of a bunch of 1000-5000 person towns. Very little violent crime so I guess they don't really need to be "tough." Everyone there was for the most part very normal, functioning members of society.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Heisse_Scheisse ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:53:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that good or bad? Born and living in the U.S.A. though.
Feierwall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where does the German username come from?
Heisse_Scheisse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friend's brother was in the military and stationed in Germany for a bit. I don't remember the context (was drunk) but he said Heisse Scheisse would be an awesome band name and it cracked me up.
notathr0waway1 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the cappuccino thing. You must live in a very blue county.
Heisse_Scheisse ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to wikipedia the county has voted red in every presidential election since 1892, except for 1912 in which blue won by .5%/25 votes.
[deleted] ยท 2305 points ยท Posted at 15:32:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GoDawgs15 ยท 1423 points ยท Posted at 16:56:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR for a post barely exceeding 1 line, I love it
lifelingering ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The TLDR wasn't for the post, though, it was for the rest of the story that got left out.
LegendOfHurleysGold ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:40:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR = Yadda Yadda in this case.
gets_that_reference_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:05:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He yadda yadda'd the best part!
LegendOfHurleysGold ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He mentioned the bisque...
DerekB52 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:55:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should have been a TL;DW
Too long didn't write.
Could also be a TRTTA:DW
Too rough to talk about, didn't write.
Mcsquizzy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:45:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's five lines, are you on some 21:9 monitor shit?
Gandhi-Chan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my phone and it's 2 and a little, excluding the TL;DR.
HyperSpaceSurfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost 4 here. Is your phone sideways or just some extremely small font settings?
Gandhi-Chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did change the font on my phone a little, but not by much.
rocky_whoof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really more of a P.S. than a TL;DR
PyroGamer666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I also like it.
TL;DR, Like.
dangerousdave369 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what does TL;DR mean ? I've never been able to figure it out
Gandhi-Chan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Too long, didn't read"
dangerousdave369 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cheers my man, makes perfect sense now
Th3K00n ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:07:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIโm gonna make you suck my dick for breakfast. EVERYDAY!โ
SteelyRes211 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BIKES!
working878787 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"What the fuck?"
"Stop selling drugs."
PEELS OUT
ThatOneTwo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HOLD MY POCKET!
working878787 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate breakfast...
rollpack6512 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:45:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I AM HERE TO SCARE YOU STRAAAAAAIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT
GoodHustleOutThere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison Mike, what was the worst part about jail?
willvsworld ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:26:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm Will, not so much Mike...but I can answer that it's the awful food. Also, everyone in there has a chip on their shoulder. I mean the correctional officers. It's like, "Dude, we all make mistakes. I just got caught, you know? When I get out of here, I'll be shopping at walmart just like you, and I might even use the same post office. We're not at war, you know."
I actually told that to my arresting officer, whom I saw again in jail.
Very small town, very small jail.
willvsworld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bro its full on horrifying
SpiralingViolence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would have never guessed the ending to that story!
suicidebylifestyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much did you make off with? how did you do it? how did you get caught? how long were you inside?
willvsworld ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was actually considered a form of organized crime, so they laid me out. (It wasn't)
"Conspiracy" and strong words like that are used to indicate that it was all premeditated while you're sitting there during your hearing.
Sucks.
I cut a deal early on with the county and got out of serving what hard dudes call 'real time' but Basically the way I was handled during the initial "approach" of the police was bullshit. But I was in jail and it sucks.
Fire_______ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally or figuratively
beyerch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can be fucked in prison and still get out....
PM_ME_FREE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BIKES!!
mr_creamy_shits ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:19:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YOU CAN HAVE AN ANEURYSM ON THE TOILET you never know
AskMeNothing12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:23:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But weโre u fucked though?
Hogiecookiez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:01:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Comb his chest!"
Jaymezians ยท 8430 points ยท Posted at 15:13:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a storyteller and went to prison 3 times. He got out the first time for two weeks before he went back for two more years. He got out again before he went back in only days later for violation of parole. He never went back because his new cell mate was an 80 year old man who told him, "I've been here since I was your age. In case you're bad at math, that's sixty years. I have no chance of parole and I know I'm going to die here. You think being here for however long you're in for is bad? Imagine knowing there's no way out. You best straighten yourself before you end up like me, son." My dad never went back.
On an unrelated note, this was the same man who my dad practiced chess with every day for two years. I still have yet to beat my dad at chess.
GrossBench ยท 4504 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the plot of every jail movie
NerdyTyler ยท 1962 points ยท Posted at 16:08:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brooks was here
buckus69 ยท 1020 points ยท Posted at 17:26:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was Red.
[deleted] ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 19:22:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ivyandroses112233 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 19:36:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I first watched Shawshank on family guy. Then saw the original on a flight. I swear I thought the โshit smelling foulnessโ was a creation of Seth, and when I actually heard it in the movie I was amazed it was actually the quote lol.
ThaJarseff ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:05:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Andy's farts never made a sound again.
ivyandroses112233 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:11:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs terrible because that reference went over my head.. now I understand..
pepsiplunge2091 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:09:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Vagina boob
snoebro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen King has a thing for mucking around in pipes full of shit water.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:05:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why he chose enchilada night, I will never know.
hair_account ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh that's closer to a quarter mile
timmy6169 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you have not seen the movie before....
yellowgoatvillager ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:18:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's Irish
AHarmlessFly ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:49:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that why they call him red?
InjuredAtWork ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:01:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly in the book he was originally Irish with red hair.
electrogeek8086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I didn't even know it was originally a book
InjuredAtWork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was called Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption. It was part of the different seasons book by Stephen King. This should be the whole text Although the book should be readily available
buttons987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the link I thought itโd be longer than 88 pages
InjuredAtWork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just one of his short stories, he packs a lot in to it doesn't he.
kdryan1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get busy living or get busy dying
blind_venetians ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and then he got busy living
CptKammyJay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FOOT BALL
spaghatta111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was Big Boo.
NotKemoSabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beecher was here.
RaiseHellPraiseDale3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
๐ข
QuarterSwede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Such a hard moment. Amazing film.
truwarier14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was DB Cooper
ahjm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
:'(
Goku_4_Star ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon
TexasKobeBeef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO
YouAndMeToo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
not for long
LamboToTheSlaughter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn you. I can't even listen to the music from that scene for two seconds before I start crying.
bastardstepchild ยท 737 points ยท Posted at 16:15:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not the ones I watch. Not enough lesbian shower scenes.
Alliknowisnothing ยท 302 points ยท Posted at 16:56:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is THAT why people love Orange is the new black!?
bastardstepchild ยท 473 points ยท Posted at 17:46:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch it for the articles.
NvidiaforMen ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:48:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of clothing that they take off.
Homenski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Naked Hot Donna
Asoliner3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When?
jacoobz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hot Donna!
gigalord14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Freddie!
thehomiesthomie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:40:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm desensitized to them now because of it, I just like the storytelling in some parts and how it sometimes feels like a "regular life but with a twist" thing
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:40:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't fuck anyone on that show with YOUR dick.
spaghatta111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:25:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dawg, the first 10-15 seconds of that series literally involved hot lesbians. Boobs, and lesbians.
That's how they getcha.
TheManWithNothing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're my step brothers best friend that is the only reason you keep watching it after a break up.
WilliamBott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well it sure as shit ain't for the acting skills
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
under breath, so uh what movies are those?
picklev33 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Orange is the new Black, there's plenty.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thank you kind person have a good day
arbitrageME ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:53:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but just enough pornstache
newloaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are there ever enough though?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Orange is the New Black is the lowest brow prison show you can manage to watch, to be honest.
bastardstepchild ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:45:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Challenge accepted.
grade_a_friction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It truly was.. a Shawshank redemption.
SeanBC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love Tom Hanks.
Adamskinater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Starring Morgan
FreeJailmanKJBenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The count of monte christo?
pbugg2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He plays the parole board in chess to win his freedom..
TexasKobeBeef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He crawled through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side.
brofesor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Accountant, only with playing chess instead of money laundering.
RDay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except Jailhouse Rock
deltacharlie52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:32 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Henry Allen was here
CaptCaCa ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Im not mistaken this is from Shawshank Redemption.
OfFireAndSteel ยท 520 points ยท Posted at 16:04:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Storyteller? Is that a euphemism?
Caabe23 ยท 789 points ยท Posted at 16:57:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, for 'snitch'.
Dalmah ยท 628 points ยท Posted at 17:42:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh his dad played Quidditch
RoosterTeethForLife ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:42:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He probably didn't like it when Harry swallowed him.
Vindicer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:51:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the shit I come to reddit for.
+1
Gigadweeb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The youngest player in a hundred years!
Aeromas_Enigma ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:04:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/unexpectedhogwarts
ThreeLZ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:33:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't go to prison for snitching. Pretty sure he just meant his dad got sent to prison for lying about something
Noble_Ox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People snitch to get reduced sentences. I've heard storyteller used in place of snitch before.
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While both of the things you said are true, they arent really relevant to what i said. You don't get sent to prison for snitching. You could get out of prison for snitching, but OP said that they were in prison for storytelling. So snitching wouldn't make sense in that context.
SandyBayou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Snitches get stitches.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:14:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he was a bard
page395 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it just means his dad told a lot of stories, including this story about his time in jail.
Stooby2 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:55:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It appears to be a heinous crime wherever u/Jeymezians lives.
Sabmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was expecting a comment about how his dad became super popular in the prison for narrating epic tales to eager crowds and reading bedtime stories to the inmates every night
catjugglinpimp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep. his dad was never really in jail. just hung out with the clerk at 7/11 alot.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking maybe confidence agent?
ThreeLZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant his dad got in trouble for lying
Maker1357 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:45:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did your father also discover a vast treasure on the Isle of Monte Cristo and seek revenge against those who wrong him?
Jaymezians ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:59:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the old man had made peace with his past. He said, "I know I belong here. Doesn't mean I have to like it."
CharleSenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs this reference from?
NoodleRocket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:27:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Count of Monte Cristo. I recommend reading the novel/watching the movie if revenge is your thing. It's one of my favorites.
TheBestBigAl ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He must be really bad at it.
halisray ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The 80 year old man was Morgan Freeman, wasn't he?
Jaymezians ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:57:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it was Albert Einstein. Then everyone clapped.
Pwnage_Peanut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then the old man gave the father a $100% bill before he got out.
DarkestXStorm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:36:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Read the beginning thinking "wow, your dad went to prison three times?" but, i just realized that my dad also did prison 2/3 times lol.
Rev_Up_Those_Reposts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine not even being able to count the days until I got out. That'd probably be the only thing that'd keep me going.
Jusfiq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did that 80-year old man do? First-degree murder I presume?
poor_word_choice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dang at least that guy died having saved at least someone.
JV19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
60 years? That's almost 80 years!
Fr33Paco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You meet some really resilient people in jail.
Skrillerman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stories like that always make me think.
There are people in my age that go to prison for life without parole. 16-20 years old.
People who just left school, didn't work , didn't have their first kiss or sex, not even a license and go to prison for THE REST OF THEIR LIFES.
Of course they deserve it when they murder innocent people. But still. Being 18 and knowing that everyone outside is living the life and having the time of their lifes while you sit in your dirty cell for the rest of your life.... Jesus that would be the worst thing that could happen to me.
shaokim ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:17:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, if you get a chance, please record the moves of some games your father plays, would love to see some prison style chess.
BrunoPassMan ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he wont do. Because this didnt happen- its the plot of Shawshank Redemption or something
Avakiravi ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ssr is about a dude who sits for life for crimes he didnt commit
EdenC996 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:09:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
Erock2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is the best chess player I know. Same with him he learned while in prison. Thereโs only once I got close and it was a stalemate.
claudiusmonstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the Count of Monte Cristo.
MoreDetonation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heard that guy in the voice of Morgan Freeman
KnightVision ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you happen to know your dad's rating? Every day for 2 years would provide him a vast knowledge of strategies and simulation skills.
RC_COW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man telling stories will get you hard time
Luffiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we would be hearing one of his stories!
Gigglescream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine the older gentleman as Morgan Freeman.
lauren__95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel so bad for the old man! Do you know what he did to warrant such a long sentence?
Jaymezians ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He killed 4 in a hit and run. He regretted it before he got a mile away.
-JWS- ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 16:07:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt this is true
1900220091 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:34:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is unbelievable about this exactly?
minibug ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:47:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
an old person said something
Scuffedjays700 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact he was in prison 3 times and supposedly only 20 since the guy has been in prison for 60 years. Prison 3 times would mean he got 2, year+ terms previously. Which is almost impossible for a 20 year old. Unlikely you go to prison as a first time felon unless a serious crime even then you can get probation, 2nd time they give you no breaks plus your probation time. Getting convicted of two separate felonies out of prison and a parole violation by the time you're 20 is close to impossible. Add in all the movie bullshit dialogue. On top of all that a 80 year old in prison serving 60 years is very rare. Prisons aren't known for having elderly who live a long time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I knew a guy who did that. No as a 20 year old, but like 26. First he gets charged with possession of meth paraphernalia, which I think was a misdemeanor and a fine.
Then get gets married and beats his wife, vandalizes her property in excess of a certain amount of time, and is insolent in court. That's a felony so he goes to jail for a shortened period of time and comes out on probation.
Then he gets blackout drunk and crashes his car while on probation and hurts another person, and goes to jail for another few months. Think he got another 2 years of probation from that and had a restricted/suspended license. Basically he could only go to work and back and had to ask his parole officer to do anything else
Scuffedjays700 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sentences of imprisonment less than a year are jail and not prison. You don't see guys serving life in jail unless they are there on murder charges. Which a 80 year old will have a very hard time doing.
-JWS- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that it sounds exactly like it came out of a cliche movie where some guy breaks out of prison
Avakiravi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Parole is now prison break aha.
OfficerBrando ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:51:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/nothingeverhappens
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:33:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well thank you for your unnecessary 0.02 .
Avakiravi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Humor me and explain why you think that.
-JWS- ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it sounds like it came straight out of a movie
Avakiravi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How utterly convincing
Sotanaki ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then the whole bus clapped?
wyattkelly ยท 1421 points ยท Posted at 18:20:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent the night in Orange county lockup. Got bailed out, but not before listening to a hardcore African American with dreads and tattoos hitching that he'd been profiled because of his car, and when he got out he was going to get"the biggest Damn Dodge pickup with a Dixie flag in the window and a kkk sticker on the bumper. Shotgun rack too. Them Damn cracker cops ain't never gonna pull muy black ass over again!" funny guy.
tanarchy7 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:37:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The loop is hell on earth!
Avocadosareawesome ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 00:12:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will tho. When they assume he stole it.
spiderlanewales ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He might just be blind.
MarkyMark262 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:13:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now all of the black cops are going to start pulling him over.
6foot8 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:57:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
unrelated question from a dumb British guy... What do you call african americans when they're not from america? Here in England we mostly say black.
XANphoenix ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:24:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It depends, usually black. Some people use African American for anyone who is dark skinned which is funny when they're neither African nor American. Personally I use black because lots of black folks I know dont like African American if they are American, considering that they're ya know, just American. Especially if the person in question has never been to Africa, which is usually the case lol.
lauren__95 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since their heritage is African but they've never lived in Africa and are Americans.
Many people say black but sometimes I feel that people are afraid to say black in front of an African American because it seems derogatory or insensitive,
gattagofaster ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:23:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
most people assume they're all African American...I just call people black
sperglord_manchild ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:34:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't get that. I'll bet they still call it "Black History Month" though
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:32:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats this month. There was a documentary on about the Symbionese Liberation Army for 'Black History Month' which is weird because the SLA was %95 Caucasian.
5redrb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'll think he's a long lost friend and pull him over as a joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the Orange County, California jail. I was the only non-Mexican in the place. I'm not kidding.
WittiestScreenName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:35 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds entertaining
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
wyattkelly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Orange county, FL. was about 15 years ago
BlackHeartBlackSoul ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, those inmates look scary AF! And it is huge! And I think it may be a requirement to get a face tattoo from looking at all the mugshots. Please correct me if I am incorrect on the face tattoos. I would be scared shitless going to a jail like that.
wyattkelly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I was in during a slow time, or just was lucky. I was in on a car violation(no insurance), so the guys were pretty chill. Weirdest things i saw were the transvestite hooker who was brought in(definitely would have fooled me) and a guy who i gave my dessert to. Be offered me a cigarette he'd smuggled in behind his ball sack. Seriously, dude had ten smokes and a bic lighter he'd somehow hidden from the pat down in his taint and ass crack. No, i didn't take the cigarette, but told him I appreciated the offer. I got out the next day, and immediately got insurance.
pro_lannister ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 02:03:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Zero comments about how racist that guy was. Classic soyboy behavior.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first time i've seen someone use the term 'soyboy' in the wild
2 more squares to tick off until i've got an alt right bingo!
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:18:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you understand how racist your comment was?
LordCrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a little lost, but how?
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:12:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the fact you said "soyboy"?
LordCrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Slang used to describe males who completely and utterly lack all necessary masculine qualities. This pathetic state is usually achieved by an over-indulgence of emasculating products and/or ideologies."
How is this racial?
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:24:19 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In that case it's sexist
LordCrag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:44 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be more accurate.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:29:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to reddit
IWentOutsideToday ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 02:45:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not racist when THEY say it goiym
Yaxax ยท 2670 points ยท Posted at 15:47:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Completely alone apart from the camera on the ceiling, kept feeling like I had massively fucked up over something so petty. My mind was racing so nothing made sense, couldnโt figure out how to flush the toilet, couldnโt sleep because I felt like I was being watched... basically nothing, but my mind wouldnโt shut up. I was terrified and cried a lot.
I was in a holding cell for two hours after stealing from GameStop when I was 11. The game was returned, no charges were filed and my criminal record is clean. Looking back I think the police did it to scare me. It worked.
dsf900 ยท 731 points ยท Posted at 17:21:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What game?
TonyP2000 ยท 306 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bonestorm?
heisenberg747 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:37:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only he just went to his parents and said, "Buy me Bonestorm or go to hell!" he could have avoided the whole ordeal.
slainjuly ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:14:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, it was Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge, the video game every boy wants!
Porencephaly ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:09:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want to play again?
You have selected: No.
Phreiie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your ball is located in... parking lot... C
jspeed04 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:50:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Buy me Bonestorm, or GO TO HELL!!!"
namapo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
THRILLHOU
Mirtosky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Catfish?
ArseMagnate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:47:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, Stupid!
BreathOfTheGarlic ยท 1143 points ยท Posted at 18:52:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing
GeorgeAmberson ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:51:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're winner!
Nathd1991 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:54:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're winner.
jjconstantine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
!RedditGarlic
kingofplanetfap ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:49:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for AVGN reference
nochilinopity ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 20:07:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's a real game
electrogeek8086 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:56:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
unbelievable that this game was actually sold in stores
isurvivedrabies ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:15:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
where did you hear about it??!
nochilinopity ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:16:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, this ancient review of the game: https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/big-rigs-over-the-road-racing-review/1900-6086528/
brucebanna34 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:50:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alex who lade that video works for giantbomb. Com now pretty much all the content they make is that entertaining.
electrogeek8086 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same
dEn_of_asyD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't expect to see this here but I am appreciative that I did. Thank you.
Amigara_Horror ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TBF I would love a truck that could go 2 uncidellion MPH in reverse.
BreathOfTheGarlic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Zoom off into the void like the beautiful angel you are!
Thunder-Squid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They should put you in a cell for purchasing that game
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a good laugh! Thanks!
ulfgar-bear-claws ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BIG MOTHER FUCKING RIGS!
Hotdogweinerwater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I played that game, never finished it. Looking back that's a really random game idea but I enjoyed it.
ArmaDolphins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:16:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... You can't finish it
EricandtheLegion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alex?
chocolatethunderrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I haven't laughed all day
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're not OP!
idkwhatiseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worth any jailtime
electrogeek8086 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cannot upvote this enough
RedMegaMan ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 18:57:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battletoads
AbortedSandwich ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:04:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they don't have it, every time I call to ask they just hang up
PacketPuncher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try again
DesertTripper ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:07:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge?
HiMyNameIs_REDACTED_ ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:38:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inquisitive minds want to know.
u/Yaxax
Basecamp88 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:55:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cory in the House
throwaway13376663432 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:57:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the real question
Gr33ndew ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:10:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
battletoads 2
Kakun0s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Grand theft auto, that's why they put him so it didn't escalate
MrFatsas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:52:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Knack 2
PZeroNero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Superman 64
pizzaguy4378 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Duke Nukem Forever
isurvivedrabies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:14:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
probably fuckin pokemon... no reddit thread is complete without pokemon or anime being mentioned
Obelion_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sw battlefront 2, all charges were dropped and op got an award and 10k cash from /r/gaming
kylealex1596 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Insaniquarium Deluxe
MeRachel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Grand theft auto.
SirIlliterate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta be BattleToads
Turdulator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:40:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bonestorm
Dontalwaysderp ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battletoads!
Space_Lord- ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battletoads.
scorpiobutt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battletoads
Praetorion1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:05:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battletoads
wakeupalice ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holding cell at 11? Probably got out 2 hours later with a few extra hairs on your balls.
rickymorty ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't.. sleep? You were there for two hours, no shit
Yaxax ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 17:51:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldโve mentioned, without a clock or a window I had no idea what time it was. When they let me out I was convinced I was in there overnight.
Jalmorei ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck
Humpsoss ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:54:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not as bad as stealing Pogs from Target in the early 90's.
dylancos ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What game was it?
Torien0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:14:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Grand Theft Auto.
otherdaniel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:14:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail Cell Simulator 2
deltios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Escapists
secaedelcielo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how did you flush the toilet?
Yaxax ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:14:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently there was a tile on the wall above the toilet?
secaedelcielo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:15:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Answering the hard-hitting questions!
420J28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you bet caught that seems like an easy theft?
sethro34 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think his biggest problem was being 11. They usually aren't the smartest
Yaxax ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:57:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre right. I didnโt even go there to steal, my friend just put it in my backpack and told me to walk out. The alarms went off and two off-duty policeman happened to be walking past the store.
ExoHead ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:52:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your friend is really dumb, what did he think would happen
I_am_jacks_reddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They totally did it to scare you.
PoeticShaman ยท 868 points ยท Posted at 16:30:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Handed the my passport to the guy at customs on my way through O.R. Tambo. He looked at my โvisaโ funny, said โNever seen one like this before...โ and my heart kinda dropped into my stomach almost immediately. I didnโt really think much, just went into a numb sort of survival mode and tried to keep a low profile.
No white boy in his right mind lets himself get arrested in South Africa. Fortunately, they stuffed me in a cell with all the other illegal immigrant types for a week. As a white American, I had a kind of celebrity status I hadnโt expected. Everything was cool: Pakistani Muslims sharing food with Ugandan Christians; christians sharing weed with Muslims while I ran lookout.
I kinda missed those guys by the time I got out.
onlytheconsequence ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 22:27:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I got stopped at O.R. Tambo for having some weed in my carryon which I packed by mistake. They let me go after about half an hour, but I missed my flight. I was broke and so were my glasses so I spent 2 days in the airport without food and half blind waiting for the next flight. Good times.
cn2092 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:59:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So was it a fake?
eazolan ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 19:13:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet it wasn't, that the customs guy was looking for a bribe.
MerlinTheFail ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:24:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah bru, in O.R Tambo? This isn't some shabby road block on the side of the road
eazolan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:34:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More experienced people will have to say if Tambo customs looks for bribes.
JediRonin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:29:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live literally 5 minutes drive away from OR Tambo and can confirm that thereโs a 95% chance the guy was looking for a bribe. As is, getting your valuables from your bag stolen is basically expected, and there have been constant scandals of smuggling and so on.
One of my friends got pulled over by the police in his rental car on the off ramp from the airport where he got shaken down because they didnโt like his foreign driverโs license.
PoeticShaman ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:36:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. No one wanted a bribe. My shit was legitimately illegitimate.
JediRonin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:37:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a South African often ashamed of corruption in my country Iโm glad it was legitimate and also that youโre ok.
Octavian78 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:31:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even mean to sound like a dick...but why would you even say something if you have no idea?
eazolan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:33:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have enough confidence in my theory that I was willing to bet on it.
Octavian78 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:06:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough
PoeticShaman ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:33:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I was young and dumb โ had moved to SA to be with my long distance girlfriend. Obtaining a visa was proving difficult, so someone directed me to a guy who could supposedly hook me up with a legit work visa for the low price of 400 rand (something like 40 bucks at the time โ a total bargain.)
As it turned out, the visa was not at all legit. In retrospect, the intelligent thing to do would have been to show them my expired tourist visa, get a fine and leave without much hassle. I was not thinking intelligently at the time.
Official charge was for fraud. Came with a 7,000ish rand fine. I was lucky to have an ex-girlfriend who thought we still had a chance, so she contacted my mom to get me a plane ticket out, while her dad played the part of my lawyer. Talk about awkward. You get like a week or something to pay your own way out and โself deportโ. Catch is that once youโre behind bars, youโve got like zero contact with the outside world, so most guys end up like the Afghani I met, whoโd been stuck in the system for over a month, and according to the officers who escorted me back to the airport when I got out, would likely be locked up for another two months before they finally got deported back.
Several of the guys I met were actually trying to get to Canada/USA, had to take a super convoluted route with their illegitimate passports, got busted a few countries out and sent back to the last country theyโd been in โ which happened to be SA.
cn2092 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Geez. I'm glad it worked out for you, anyway.
takatori ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:06:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was the matter with your visa?
PoeticShaman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:20:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was fake. Iโve got a more detailed explanation somewhere in this thread.
takatori ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:42:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idiot.
PoeticShaman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! Thatโs what you get when guys start thinking with their penises. I was under the impression it was real, however. Bribing government officials for things is pretty commonplace in SA. But sometimes the guys you bribe arenโt actually from the government.
duckeater917 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of rehab in the sense that there were some good times. I mean the rehab was shitty, not fancy at all, and everyone called it voluntary jail. Made friendships with people I never would have otherwise. And we were all sober which made it feel real. I really miss some of those people.
spiderlanewales ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you should have your own episode of Banged Up Abroad.
growingcodist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's the problem with white people in South Africa getting arrested?
seanithanegan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not understanding what you did to get arrested.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Piano9717 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:02:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
O.R Tambo is johannesburg airport in south africa
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:39:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Johannesburg is pretty dangerous, no?
Mr_Fields ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:02:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It can be depending on what part of the city and what time of day. I spent the better part of 3 weeks there in a hostel and while I never had any issues at all, the owner of the place told us certain areas of the city to avoid, especially at Night, and told us a few harrowing stories. All in all just don't be an idiot and think before you do things.
Edit: a word.
[deleted] ยท -214 points ยท Posted at 18:58:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TheAlptraum ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 20:08:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wat
TheAmazinManateeMan ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 21:12:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bad bot
henryhashbrown2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Troll bot
Masterking263 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:05:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im curious, what did he say.
TheAmazinManateeMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Search for binobot read any of the comments. They're all the same.
BEAR_RAMMAGE ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:54:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah bro, I just absorb sunlight (vitamin D) better because my ancestors lived in super cloudy/rainy English and Scandinavian countries.
Printern ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:36:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bad bot Seriously. This is just blatantly false. Why?
radiatormagnets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did it say?
Printern ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something about all white people being albinos. Which is false since albinos have no melanin while most white people just have less melanin.
AGE_OF_HUMILIATION ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go throw water on yourself bot.
Bobjohndud ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:04:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
??? What the hell are you talking about?
rustic_counter ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to do 5 days for probation violation (booze hound/drug addict - I failed a piss test).
The first day consisted of me checking in at county and sitting in booking for 24 hrs. The booking area had the most uncomfortable chairs created (if there is a hell, it will be filled with these hard plastic chairs that are impossible to sleep in). It sucked. All I could think about was how much this sucked and how I had no one to blame but myself.
Decided right there to start taking the mandatory addiction classes seriously. And start trying. Otherwise, I would just end up back in jail, surrounded by pedophiles and violent offenders (which is not pleasant).
Best thing that ever happened to me.
J1nglz ยท 5095 points ยท Posted at 16:09:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got put in max for Felony Assault, up to 8 years, after this dude tried to force my girlfriend (now wife) into a bathroom with him at a bar. I only threw one punch but he wound up falling though a plate window and slicing arteries. After 2 days in holding with people coming down off of all the drugs (meth/heroin...etc) and the transfers trying to start fights with everyone, I got sent to 23-hr lockdown in A-pod, which is reserved for violent offenders. One skinhead dude was in on 23 counts of various forms of homicide/manslaughter so shit got real fast. Cell got tossed at one point and they questioned me. I didn't say shit. Which in hindsight was smart since when my cellmate got back he asked a guy across the way if I said anything. Then he introduced himself to me. After that we were cool and he vouched for me saying I was in there "for some real shit." God knows how long it was before this happened, hours tick by like days. Time stands still. My cellmate had been in for 2 of his 6 years with repeated trafficking, felony firearm, battery on an officer... well got back from a hearing super excited saying "Well if I plea to this or that I should be able to get out in a month!" He was dead serious but inside my head I knew there was no way. Something about his conviction while staring me dead in the eyes made me realize that there is absolutely nothing else going on in his head but trying to get out. That night while brushing my teeth, I remember staring at myself in the mirror thinking... "I truly believe I'm getting out tomorrow too." That was the most eye-openingly present yet emotionally detached pit of realization I have ever fallen into.
I was lucky though. My charges got dropped on self-defense after bar surveillance showed him touching me first so FUCK THAT! I make sure to avoid situations that might put me in that situation. I don't have shit to prove to anyone. It used to be fuck cops. Now its fuck jail. I'm never going back.
ham_techs ยท 3976 points ยท Posted at 17:38:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Nearly killed a guy with one punch for trying to rape my girl" seems worth some serious cred.
Zayin-Ba-Ayin ยท 1080 points ยท Posted at 19:04:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ONE PUUUUUUUUUUNCH
[deleted] ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 19:50:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zayin-Ba-Ayin ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:57:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
gregdoom ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:46:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I canโt wait for season 2.
IAmA_Lannister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have any idea when it's coming out?
gregdoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:10:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I wish. Itโs just supposed to drop in 2018. The studio that did the first season isnโt doing the second for some reason.
InbredDucks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's madhouse's one season wonder that leaves many of us sad and confused
tinker_tailor17 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:53:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OP is probably bald from the intensity of the jail experience.
conturaG2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:54:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ใ
Pizzachu221 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:08:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
doo doo doooo
MaiaSan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The anime fans are everywhere, it's wonderful
AlexandrinaIsHere ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 18:51:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It ought to be.
Tehsyr ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:11:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some might even start calling you One Punch Man...
MisterSmeeee ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:23:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And right through a window? People are going to start calling him Chainsaw Dave.
gmenold ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:34:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plate-glass Pete, FTFY
HanBan30 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:01:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Con Air!
Hackrid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:33:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude's got almost as much cred as Chainsaw Dave.
darling_lycosidae ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:58:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One Punch Man
PainfulComedy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:08:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Id say its not nearly killwd and more killed. Slicing arteries and a trial screams the dude is a goner
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:14:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said he was in for felony assault, which implies he survived as he'd also be charged with murder had the guy died
Spotted_cow_drinker ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:33:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*Manslaughter, not murder, but yeah, point stands.
ham_techs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:00:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3rd degree murder (murder of passion, without forthought), or Justifiable Homicide
Spotted_cow_drinker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:13:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3rd Degree Murder is commonly referred to as Voluntary Manslaughter. That is what you are most likely to hear as the charge. Either way, I guess.
PsyGuy98 ยท 947 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems odd that they decided to throw you in a maximum security prison before looking at the surveillance tape to see if your story was true. How long were you in there?
SharqZadegi ยท 374 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds either fake or like OP has a lot of compensation money he should be collecting with the help of a lawyer.
sillysidebin ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 19:10:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some county jails will put you in a higher security side of the jail where violent offenders wait.
You can sit in jail for a very long time before getting convicted of anything if you're really unfortunate. You're usually getting 2 days worth of time 'credit per one day, so there's that..
Like the only time I got actually sentenced to jail, it was an 75 day sentence or close to that, but I had done like 45 days before brig granted a chance to bail so I guess luckily I was all severed by then sms got to just wash my hands of things... besides for the null prosi that shows on a background check, that's kinda screwed me out of some decent paying jobsand being arrested in the first pls ed forced me to drop out of college for 5 years in the middle of my 3rd year.
Slovacekst ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 19:20:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tha fuck does this last paragraph say?
CaptainKirkAndCo ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 20:08:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only time I actually got sentenced to jail, it was a 75 day sentence, or close, but I had already served 45 days before being granted a chance to bail. Thus, fortunately, I had served my required time by then and was able to just wash my hands of things...except for the nolle prosequi that shows on the background check, which put off some prospective employers of decent paying jobs. Alongside these unfortunate circumstances getting arrested also forced me to drop out of college for 5 years whilst in the middle of my 3rd year. Quelle horreur!
Nequitia ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:51:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
nomnom_de_plume ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:25:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You. I like you. Remind me to offer you money during the holidays to translate the shit my family says.
mizzou590 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:42:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated comment. Take my upvote
lazymarathoner ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:10:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude got sentenced to 75 days in jail but he had already been in jail for 45 days before he was sentenced and his pre-sentence jail credit days were each worth two days, so after serving 45 days he had 95 daysโ worth of credit and was immediately released. The only part of it that screwed him is the fact that a โ nolle prosequiโ shows on his background check when getting a job. A nolle prosequi, normally called โnolleโ (like the name Molly with an n), is a dismissal. So instead of your background check showing you were found โnot guiltyโ of a crime, it shows that the charges were dismissed. For employers who have seen a lot of these checks, they understand a Nolle to mean โthe state dismissed this case after the defendant served the pretrial jail time we wanted from himโ - not that the defendant was innocent of the charge.
WheresMyCrown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that last sentence should be "not that the defendant was not guilty of the charge" since legally innocence should be presumed.
suchbanality ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:34:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, are the bots finally taking over?
sillysidebin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:52 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That my damn note 8 is really making me look like a fucking idiot.
sunnyvaleinhell ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:54:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to one of my relative's. His ex-girlfriend accused him of trying to kill her and he was put straight in jail where the violent offenders were. There was 0 evidence anything happened. Just her word that this happened one morning after he broke up with her. She told me on the phone she was mad that he broke up with her and she was sorry for making it up. I pleaded with her to tell the truth but she said her family would disown her if she helped him get out. It was surreal.
Anyway, he was desperate to get out so he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge because they said he could go free afterward and leave the state. His ex followed him later and the whole story was nuts.
Edited for clarity
cat_in_your_kung_pao ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:24:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail (where you are held prior to trial) is not the same as "max" that he stated. OP is full of shit.
printmyplastic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There absolutely is such a thing as a maximum security jail. I'm honestly not sure what the real term was. Certain counties won't house inmates with certain charges and will ship them off to other counties that have the necessary security in place to deal with them.
I've been to "regular" county jail as well as max security. I wasn't in max for any violent charges, that county jail just happened to qualify for maximum security inmates. Even though I was there for nonviolence charges in a "low security pod", it was VERY different from regular jail. Regular jail there are people smoking weed, making alcohol, doing heroin/pills, smoking tobacco, and fucking around with cell phones once in a blue moon. I spent twice as much time in max as I did in regular and I never saw any of that shit even once. Also, the guards will not hesitate to beat the living daylights out of you in max. They tased a girl to death while she was handcuffed on the ground while I was there.
sillysidebin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:05 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
true.
HyperSpaceSurfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One part of me likes that you don't have to wait in jail for a sentence (except murder at least) where I live. The other would like repeat offenders to be in jail to wait for a sentence.
There was a guy who I knew was waiting for trial for battery. Then later he told me he stole a nice car the night before while high on speed. He then crashed it and tried to hide from the cops.
Then not long after he robbed the local 24/7 store. He was out not long after and I saw him here and there for almost a year. Haven't seen him for a few months so he's probably in prison.
sillysidebin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:12 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, holy shit, where are you from?
HyperSpaceSurfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:55 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iceland. I think the longest sentence anyone has received was 20 years for murder.
theamazingroberto ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:34:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I WAS ON DEATH ROW FOR NINETEEN YEARS BUT THEY LOOKED At THE VIDEO AND SAW IT WASNT ME I'M NOT EVEN REMOTELY CHINESE
Halfchow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:19:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dude was mean mugging my girl so I threw a right cross and knocked him thru the wall into the parking lot. Murder was the case that they gave me. After 78 years in alcatraz they watched the tapes and saw homeboy had a katana
I was free.
theamazingroberto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:10:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't been out a second
And already I gotta do some mothafuckin'
Chin checkin'
lovelesschristine ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:31:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More likely we are not getting the full story
4realzbruh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This... You don't go to prison before a trial...
gracesw ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:10:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well,
a) many county "jails" are called "prisons" so yes you do.
b) as others have said, violent offenders get put in a lockdown section away from others where they are 23/1
c) many people are held weeks, months or even YEARS before they get a trial or plead
d) hope you never have to find out for yourself
edit: breaks
WhovianMomma21 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:13:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that he meant that he was in the max security section of the jail and was FACING up to 8 years
pbuddISU ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:25:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you do.
Theyโll take you in to process you and set bail and such.
If there is no bail set, or if you canโt pay bail theyโll need to hold you for longer before the trial. If itโs a violent crime it would make sense that heโd be proceeded into a more secure prison.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:29:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a jail, not prison. Prisons are for convicted felons only.
pbuddISU ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:32:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. You are correct.
I was going off of my own experience of being arrested for drunken tomfoolery in college. Looked it up and I was definitely processed in Story County Jail. Not a prison.
Could OP have been referring to some kind of max security jail?
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:34:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. I'm a Deputy and we do have two seperate facilities. A main building for non-violent offenders and then a Maximum Security Facility downtown for violent felony offenders.
Duke_Shambles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:37:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said he was in a max sec 'pod' which I assume from personal experience means a section of the county jail reserved for violent offenders and inmates requiring more supervision.
All people that have been to prison have been to jail, but not everyone who goes to jail gets sent to prison.
seymour1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's highly dependent upon location. If I were to be arrested and charged for a crime I'd be processed through local jail and then put in to Delaware County prison to await trial. I know plenty of people who went to that prison before being sentenced.
justlooking250 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's like calling you a janitor and me a custodian
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Potato, potato.
gracesw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of "jails" are called "prison". Google PA county prisons
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:20:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If so, my bad. Just going off the way the 2 agencies I worked for and how my state does things.
throwawaytrumper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My brother went to a state penitentiary while awaiting trial because county was full. Every time I visited he was black and blue from the beatings he was getting (or possibly provoking, in some cases). Thankfully, he eventually hooked up with a gang that protected him and went from being a clueless teenager in prison for marijuana possession with intent (He wasn't dealing, just had a lot of weed) to an adult with a felony record and connections supplying him cocaine to cook and sell crack with.
The system works!
SlutForGarrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My brother was in jail for a few months right after he turned 18 because he was with some other teenagers when one decided to punch and steal an iPod from another (alcohol was involved so things got stupid). He told me when he got out about this guy who would. Not. Stop. Telling him all about how to steal cars. I have another brother who spent a lot of his formative years in mental health facilities and he came home with more new bad habits every single time. Itโs all a ridiculous mess. (From one to another, sorry your brother is a little dumb. Iโm still holding out hope mine will grow out of it.)
throwawaytrumper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No worries! Good luck over there. Have your one brother show you how to hotwire cars, it's super useful occasionally.
SlutForGarrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, now that you point it out, I totally see the value in that and kind of hope he was paying attention.
imisswbush ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:42:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
jail and prison are very different.
jail is normally for less than a year (sentence) or until the trial. (can be a few years, but usually a few months at most).
gracesw ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:14:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That depends on your state, as well as how you are sentenced.
aloneinmysoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you do. They put you there if they find you having just committed a crime, or committing a crime. The sequence is usually arrest -> jail (which you can get out of, if you file bail, or if it's only a light offense, ie., not physically harming a man to the point of death) -> trial -> freedom or possibly more jail
Kozinskey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:42:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is not the same as prison
aloneinmysoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my apologies. There is no difference in our country
SharqZadegi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could be an appeal, but still.
Damn_Girl_U_ThiCC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he was trying to say is the county jail qualified as a max security. I live in a fairly large city and when I was arrested for a nonviolent charge and spent like 3 days in a county jail but it qualified as a max security.
23hr lockdowns, 1 hour to walk around, play cards, watch tv or shower and then back locked down.
If the police feel they initially have enough evidence they can arrest you and charge you and you will be detained to a county jail until your trial date if you canโt post bond. And sometimes your county jail can qualify as max, and if they feel you are a danger to your self or to other and for certain other reasons you may be placed on heightened supervision. (Which is administrative segregation) adseg is the same place people that get in trouble go aka the hole.
magnificentshart ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:08:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you should watch "the night of," an hbo mini series. it basically covers that aspect of our criminal justice system.
usertaken_BS ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:53:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs another one and the guys name escapes me (might be this one?). Black guy in NY got sent to rykers for YEARS over a stolen backpack that he didnโt steal, it was mistaken identity.
They kept doing administrative bs to delay his hearing and nobody wanted to listen cause he didnโt have money. He was good for awhile but prison changed him and he started getting in trouble...finally got released but was fucked up by that point and killed himself. So fucking sad and I was stunned because Iโd never realized they really can hold you and you canโt do shit about it without money. He got a settlement I believe but again life is fucked by then...keep your money I want my life
scifiwoman ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:43:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kalief Browder, I watched his story recently on Netflix. I haven't felt so simultaneously angry and sad since watching Dear Zachary. What he went through and how it effected him was seriously fucked up. Then, when he was released, NY authorities kept using delaying and bullying tactics to avoid paying him any financial compensation. He really tried hard to regain control of his life, but his experiences in prison did a number on him psychologically, he truly suffered and so did his family, his Mum in particular. He ended up hanging himself, which was witnessed by his Mum and she died not long afterwards.
usertaken_BS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:59:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better written summary than I and yes that was his name (couldnโt remember sadly). Makes me wonder how people can sit there and say the system isnโt broken when you see these things happening.
Edit: is to isnโt definitely meant ISNโT
Damn_Girl_U_ThiCC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:16:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean makes you wonder how people can sit there and say the system isnt broken when you see these things?
usertaken_BS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, wow Iโm gonna edit that. Thank you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for the first 3 episodes or so and then it gets unrealistic.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:33:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was just jail. And they put all violent offenders together. So ted bundy is cell mates with the guy that punched a dickhead.
Deesing82 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:06:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and a drunk college student
Jk2two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first sentence says I was put in max for felony assault. Max implies prison in my mind, not jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then he say the charges were dropped in a few days. People awaiting trial donโt go to prison. By definition that is the difference between jail and prison. Jail is for inmates awaiting trial. Prison is for convicts serving their sentence. Sometime you can serve your prison term in a jail if itโs a short sentence. But nobody, ever, is sent to a prison before they are convicted. He misspoke.
What he meant was he was booked and sent to jail for a crime if convicted he could receive a max sentence of 8 years. Which btw as a first time offender he would NEVER do. Assuming he had a lawyer even if he would have ended up with a conviction he would have gotten probation. But in jail you are awaiting trial with the guys like this along with the guy that set his grandma on fire (if they didnโt PC that guy).
Jk2two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know how jail and prison work. If someone says they went to max and they meant jail not prison, I donโt believe theyโve been to either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough could be BS. But if he was locked up anywhere based on his story he was def just in regular jail. Regardles of what he initially said. Maybe he thinks there is some sissy version of jail for non-violent offenders or something. Or maybe he thinks the higher security portion of his jail = max.
PM_ME_WHATEVERR ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:17:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a similar situation, same charge, also one punch. Also got thrown in jail, video was looked at LATER which showed I didnโt throw the first punch. I still ended up getting in minor trouble but nowhere near what it wouldโve been
LatchedNipple ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't put him in prison. They put him in jail, which is where people get held before they go into the prison system. Jail is for up to a year, prison is for time after that.
He's saying that the particular jail he was in was not a small town jail, but a serious one that has serious offenders, all waiting for their actual trials.
He might be bullshitting, but he wasn't in prison for 3 days.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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mference123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:44:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guys at the jail/prison/whatever would not have any access to or interest in videos that exonerate him. All they have is his charge sheet.
Nyx124 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:28:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His story is completely plausable; county is where you go before youโre sentenced. So you will have the dumb college kids, the โone punchโ guy, and a serial killer all within the same walls. There are different areas, such as the trustee dorms, general population, solitary, the psych ward, the hospital, etc. Once someone is sentenced, that determines where they go from there, or if they do their time in county. This is gor Los Angeles, so it may be different for other states.
Damn_Girl_U_ThiCC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! This is so true. Told me this a couple years ago I wouldโve thought bs but I got locked up for a nonviolent crime (CSA violation) and spent a couple minutes talking to a sheriffs deputy after I posted bail, got discharged and was waiting on my ride.
He told me how I didnt look like the type and told me how quickly your life can get fucked up. He said just earlier that day someone got poked in the liver pretty bad.
So yea county houses all that shit
WhovianMomma21 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:18:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well in all fairness, you get to a call and the people at the bar tell you "Those two guys got into a fight and that guy is almost dead" they are going to first get the almost dead guy into an ambulance, and close second get the not almost dead guy into a cop car in case he hurts anyone else. It might take a bit to get the video in the first place, they may have had to go through the process of getting a warrant and seizing the video, and then they probably still had to go to trial. OP never said how long they were actually in the jail, so who knows? (aside from OP)
BEEF_WIENERS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:03:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...you don't go to prison while you're awaiting trial. You go to jail. And I'd suspect that anybody who has actually been to either wouldn't say they got put in for felony assault, they'd say they were in awaiting trial for felony assault. Unless this guy just doesn't give a shit about specificity, but either way fuck him because his story doesn't pass a sniff test.
wtjordan1s ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:05:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to America
lahimatoa ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:19:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you can kill loads of people in other countries and the cops don't care.
1stKillalltheLawyers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was charged with a violent crime so...
Jails and prisons are made to hold people, your guilt or culpability to a crime is not there concern, That is up to the police and courts, which you know are pretty shitty
Jigga_Justin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the credibility of this story, itโs incredibly rare that someone awaiting trial serves any amount of time in a prison. And there is no such thing as a โsupermax county jailโ.
printmyplastic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've been told first hand, there is such a thing as maximum security jail. Certain counties won't take inmates with certain charges, and will basically outsource them to counties that are equipped to deal with them. That's just how it was explained to me, I can't verify how accurate it is. But from my experience I would guess that it's accurate.
I've been to "regular" county jail as well as maximum security. I wasn't in max for any violent charges, that county jail just happened to qualify for maximum security inmates. Even though I was there for nonviolence charges in a "low security pod", it was VERY different from regular jail. Regular jail there are people smoking weed, making alcohol, doing heroin/pills, smoking tobacco, and fucking around with cell phones once in a blue moon. I spent twice as much time in max as I did in regular and I never saw any of that shit even once. Also, the guards will not hesitate to beat the living daylights out of you in max. They tased a girl to death while she was handcuffed on the ground while I was there.
WhovianMomma21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In big jails there are probably max security pods
Jigga_Justin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Supermax is an actual thing, and itโs what he described.
LLotZaFun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
6 hours total.
xXWaspXx ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:11:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He might be embellishing or perhaps misunderstanding. I don't know about everywhere, but in a lot of places (including here) remanded inmates awaiting trial are all kept in a maximum security institution because of the lack of classification/history/conviction. You'll often have someone in on very serious charges like OP described being housed with people in for a DWI or theft under.
terriblespeller ยท 560 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
" It used to be fuck cops, now it's fuck jail" well put
kraytom43 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:20:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
" used to say fuck the police, now I say fuck jail" - Lil Wayne
DerekB52 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to hear that in a song, I'm glad it's in a song.
jntabeast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lil Wayne actually had a line like that half a decade ago: โIโm just a nut tryna bust a nutโin a nutshell, Used to say fuck the police, now I say fuck jail.โ
cinnamonipod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why not both
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But fuck cops still.
terriblespeller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:25:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the point he was making was whatever beef he might have with cops, he's got more beef with losing his freedom.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 17:52:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sounds like the asshole touching his gf sliced his arteries and bled out hahahhahhaha
terriblespeller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use to say fuck trolls, now I say 'hi Russia! '.
AcceptablePariahdom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha someone died hahaha.
Not to say he didn't deserve to get the shit kicked out of him. But not bleeding out in dive bar...
jmartin21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With one punch, that typically doesnโt happen, but accidents are called accidents for a reason.
PM_ME_UR_SMILE_GURL ยท 306 points ยท Posted at 18:50:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More people should have this view.
I went to a party with a friend once and he met a chick, they danced, they fucked. Then her ex (who she had broken up the day before) showed up and had a fight with the girl.
2 days later the ex sent the girl a snap of him making out with like 3 chicks at a party and calling her an idiot for choosing my friend over him because he's so amazing.The girl sent my friend the video and he was livid and was already gathering up friends to go fuck up the guy for disrespecting him like that.
All I could think was: What the fuck are you going to do man? Beat up this guy wih your gang of friends because his ex hooked up with you a day after the broke up and now he's drowning his sorrows in pussy? Is some random hook up really worth jail time? What if it goes to far and you kill the dude because you tunnelvision eith your crew?
There's just too much that could go wrong when people do shit like that so it's always best to not even put yourself in those situations.
ed_merckx ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:29:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in general if you get into a fight, just take the few punches before it gets broken up and press charges. Don't punch back unless the guy is actually trying to seriously harm you. "he started it" isn't always the end all be all in court. Had a friend who got to spend a couple weeks in reikers after a bar fight. Basically him and a guy talking shit to each other over a sports game or something, he ended up saying something and the other guy came over and I guess my friend said something along the lines of "go ahead punch me" to which the guy kind of shoved him out of the seat and my friend came back at him, was quick but the guy ended up with a broken arm and slipped a disc in his back when he fell. He got charged with some misdemeanor and my friend got an assault charge.
Technically my friend didn't "start it", but then he spent the next few months in civil court trying to not have to pay for all of the guys bills. Another guy who I knew just because he was a regular at a bar near my house ended up going to prison for a good amount of time after a small scuff which he then pulled a knife on the guy. Just because someone pushes you or shoves you doesn't give you the right to use excessive force, just avoid fights altogether.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:04:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy in the apartment below mine beats his girlfriend every weekend. I've called the cops but he doesn't let them in, and the woman stupidly doesn't ask for helps (and then stays another week). All I want to do is go down there and beat the guy's ass but I know I'll be charged for assault. Even my girlfriend thinks I'm weak for not going down. Like shit man. I hear about men getting into fights all the time. How do they get away with it?
ed_merckx ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:35:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
exactly, I've been in a few situations where guys are like "want to fucking go" taunting you to fight them, and in one case I remember my response was literally "what the fuck, no" to which he then called me a pussy and walked away. A friend with me was like "why didn't you fuck that guy up", like first off I have no clue who that guy is, could have a black belt in a martial art and compete in high level competition for all I know, or he could have a knife, but regardless of that I'd rather not go to fucking jail, don't think that makes you a pussy.
postemporary ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:05:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your friend is an idiot. Don't trust him with anything.
anythigfast ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:37:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Girlfriend sounds like a bitch
HerrBerg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:27:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Record what you are hearing, file a police report. Your call means nothing, but evidence will get him charged.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. If she can't ask for help when a cop is right outside the door, I'm not risking my life for her.
HerrBerg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:38 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Domestic violence victims often are unable to seek help for themselves because of psychological traps.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:07 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's a shame.
HerrBerg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, you can still press charges for assault if you elect to defend yourself, you'd just better have witnesses or a camera.
saltlakeshady ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:43:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to be that guy that blames television but that is such a common trope on TV I can't help but wonder sometimes if some dumb people think that is how they are supposed to act because they saw it on TV.
AtraposJM ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:20:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, shit, finish the story.
myst3r10us_str4ng3r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about the fucking tits, man?
RsnCondition ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:33:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My neighbor hit someone in the side of the head at a party and the guy ended up dying.
BatCage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did anything end up happening?
TechniChara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair, he didn't put himself in that situation - another guy tried to rape his girlfriend. What do you expect him to do when the other guy starts to fight?
spiderlanewales ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, nothing, unless you want worse charges than the would-be rapist.
America is fucked.
seanithanegan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely donโt understand why the guy deserved to get beat up. His ex-girl slept with another guy. He made out with some girls.
These are unrelated events.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even one punch can kill.
Before throwing a punch (outside a martial arts sport ofc) I always ask myself if the issue is serious enough that I would have no regrets if I had to spend my life in jail. So, defending myself or somebody else from a situation where only violence could fix it.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:26:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a good ass movie
Seabee1893 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:26:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I picturing a Mark Whalberg film, here?
Khad ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:30:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No clue. He said "good".
Seabee1893 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:46:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha.
Cutthechitchata-hole ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:41:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nick Cage. Con-Air
TheAardvarker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:52:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Mark Whalberg punched some guy on the street and permanently blinded him for no reason before he was famous and got off easy?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, not just some guy, he punched him because he didn't like Asians.. or well.. blacks.. or well.. just people of color. So it was a hate crime.
Oh and... he never apologized because.. and I quote "I can now live with myself for what i did" because he made a lot of "mistakes" when he was "young". if that's not a narcissistic cunt, i don't know what is.
he finally apologized in 2016. why? because he was unable to get a business license in Massachusetts because of his criminal record. he finally apologized in hopes that he could get his record expunged.. so he could open more of his burger shops.
i had never seen another mark wahlberg movie after i found this out.
Seabee1893 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one!
Gus_B ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called ConAir
vidyagames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ass-movie
SuperMadBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called con air
Rev_Up_Those_Reposts ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God for surveillance cameras.
BriHen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, one of the biggest reasons I'm ever scared to throw a punch is because of situations like yours. One punch in the correct spot and you could kill a man, or severely injure .... That being said, if a dude ever did that to my girl, i'm gonna throw haymakers.
Glad to hear all turned out okay for you though man! Had to have been the craziest few weeks mentally in your life.
MiketheJeepGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that was well put. It made me imagine being in your position while I was reading it. Glad you got cleared.
SharksFan1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you were thrown in a maximum security prison before even being convicted? Isn't that what jails are for, and you get sent to prison if you are convicted?
RambleOff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is the reply that's needed. It was a great story, but I suspect it's fictional.
WintendoU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What sucks is no one is held accountable for putting you in prison when you were innocent.
That is why our system is so bad, no one in law enforcement, DAs, courts, or prisons are held accountable for fuck ups.
snoos_antenna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are one very lucky person. My brother is a defense attorney and is full of stories similar to yours. Very few of them were caught on camera, and D.A.'s are eager to build a record showing how tough on crime they are so they don't GAF.
Best thing to do, absolutely.
sevargmas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been there my dude. That is a mixture of hope, denial, and will to survive. It never goes away. It's that emotion they're referencing in Shawshank Redemption in the "hope" scene.
Jk2two ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They convicted you before reviewing bar surveillance? Huh...
RsnCondition ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You got so lucky.
My neighbor is in prison now for murder, because he slapped guy at a party real hard and hit him just in the right spot of the temple and the guy died.
Hawkseye88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit man. I have never been in a fight. I always imagine something like this happening if I do. That would just be my luck. All it takes is someone falling the wrong way and you're screwed. My uncle had a similar thing happen. He was at a gas station and this biker guy started messing with him. He threw one punch and they guy fell and hit his head on a curb and died. I don't remember the details of his sentencing but he had to serve some time.
DismalEconomics ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:23:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think people getting punched, then hitting head on concrete and dying is way more common than people realize. Real life isn't some fucking Van Damme movie with a Kenny Loggins soundtrack.
More importantly, a lot of people carry guns or knives... but you never know who.
Even if all your superhero fantasies come to life and you are beating a bad guys ass while your hometown crew cheers you on... it only takes a second for someone to put a bullet right through your skull.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm incredibly angry that you got thrown in jail for punching a would-be rapist.
HerrBerg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck jail? Fuck the system. The only way a single punch should land you 8 years in prison is if you're punching a fucking baby or some shit.
Mikeychims85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yaphank?
I-Downloaded-a-Car ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I'd go to jail and trust the legal system after that. I'd honestly probably flee the scene and go hide in Mexico until the statute of limitations is up. Which is surprisingly only 2 years where as fucking trespassing is 6.
Lord0Trade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver !reddit_badass
3789460947994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre a fucking badass, props to you man
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see the happy ending and the fact that the same woman is your wife.
Azor_Is_High ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If some guy nearly killed another guy for trying to rape me I would marry him, and I'm a straight dude.
HauntedPrinter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a bunch of imbeciles, why would you put a guy in a maximum security prison before going through the proof and the security cameras. Thatโs just asking for a emotional and physical damage lawsuit. Also a lawsuit for your wife being emotionally traumatized by a guy attacking her AND having her husband arrested for protecting her.
Bobjohndud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'merica
Praestolatio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't they check the cameras before sentencing you ?
justlooking250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude how the actual fuck did you get in trouble for defending a woman from a man and possibly preventing a rape ????? The DA must have been a real piece of shit and/or moron
incomprehensiblegarb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They threw you in Maximum security before a trial?
lovetheshow786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
damn man
Tyler2191 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a bar and one of the cleaning guys went into the female bathroom (single stall, one at a time style) and tried to force himself on her. She pushed him away and left. I went down there, found the dude and was all sorts of pissed off, saying I want to smash his head against the sink. He admitted he did it because he thought she was hot. I know the manager, so I told him and the guy lost his job.
But I remember having a smoke talking to the manager and saying the only reason I didn't do it was because I didn't want to spend a night in jail. Good thing I didn't as clearly I see the repercussions of what COULD have happened.
Still have regrets that I didn't do "something" because normally I resort of violence in situations like that. First time in my life, I didn't
tomNJUSA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should have been given a medal not arrested.
heisenberg747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you get a cool nickname? I'm trying to find one better than Chainsaw Dave, but it's not looking very likely.
barelyonhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a CO, it is amazing how frequently I have to walk a line between giving inmates false hope and not crushing their spirit.
ImperialCactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One punch men was based on this guy
riotmuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fuck cops AND jail?
teddyflesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait so how long did you end up staying there?
lauren__95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How long did you end up being confined?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But its stll fuck da opps ๐
Wannabkate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's fuck cops and fuck jail. I prefer to stay away from both. I don't trust cops anymore.
imadethisfirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still though, fuck cops
spiderlanewales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If someone goes after your girlfriend now, what do you do? Serious question, because the whole concept of self-defense is super real to me (engaged dude as of last April.)
A buddy of mine got a concealed-carry permit, and the instructor told them, "if you shoot an armed intruder completely lawfully in self-defense in your home, you'd better have at least $50,000 to spend on your legal defense." (Ohio, USA here.)
I can't even imagine trying to explain such a (legitimate and real) situation as yours where violence is involved in a bar.
It doesn't feel much different than high school when one reads about it. If you win a fight and there's proof, it doesn't matter why, you're getting the worse punishment.
EvilStevilTheKenevil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you Saitama?
eerraasse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โNow wifeโ of course
dycentra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:01:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great story, thanks.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PedanticPlatypodes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:42:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, someone trying to force your girlfriend in the bathroom? Give him a gentle push and call it a day.
/s
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PedanticPlatypodes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think in that situation, people look for an immediate out. Who knows what could happen in the minute it takes to get a bouncer
ThatGuy31431 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes contact the police so by the time they get there the guy's already raw dogging your girlfriend. Dumbass.
Azor_Is_High ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your right. He should have cut his balls off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And glued his dick to his forehead.
Azor_Is_High ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was already a dickhead.
MountainDewFountain ยท 5175 points ยท Posted at 12:49:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Realizing as the acid wore off that this was in fact not a dream, as I originally suspected. And the stack of previously illegible pages of charges and huge bail sum that I thrown all over the cell was probably important.
[deleted] ยท 1604 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this be story time!
MountainDewFountain ยท 3646 points ยท Posted at 14:07:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the abridged version:
19 year old crazy man (me) takes a massive amount of LSD for his first time. Drinks a shit ton of whiskey and "passes" out at his fraternity house then awakens in a dream like state an proceeds to wander his university campus around 7am in search of a thrilling time. I aquire (read: steal) a vehicle from a student attending morning classes and proceed to crash it into some mailboxes and get in a foot race with persuing officers that ends in a scuffel in a briar patch.
I was detained, booked, and placed in the drunk tank while still tripping balls, then admitted to the dorms in the city lockup for a week or so. Honestly it wasn't to bad and I played spades and dominoes with the other inmates until I got bailed out by my parents and placed in a wildnerness rehab facility.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 1229 points ยท Posted at 14:33:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing. Something similar almost happened to me, except it wasn't my first trip, and I realized before the police arrived (I called them- yes, ~850ug is too much) that I was just gone. I got stuck in the psych ward for about 12 hours until I came down enough to get let out- still tripping, but in my own head at least. They wouldn't even let me use the bathroom. They let me use a bucket instead. It sucked, but the walk home was beautiful.
Eupraxes ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 14:55:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
850? I got egodeath on less than half of that. You got some stones on you!
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 623 points ยท Posted at 15:00:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, do not get it twisted. It was a bad idea. I realized it when I was at a 7/10 35 minutes after ingestion. I'd only been that gone once before, but that was a combo of Lucy + DMT + MDMA, and I had a trip sitter. It was more of an ego melt. It put a lot of things into perspective, including how stupid that very idea was.
[deleted] ยท 487 points ยท Posted at 16:46:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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anonymous6366 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 17:33:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my friend had some hippie at a festival squirt a whole dropper of liquid LSD in his mouth. Thats exactly how he described his experience before the full blown ego death; feels like melting into a puddle.
The_Poop_Chef ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:44:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if I were ever tripping to the point where I feel like a literal puddle on the ground, there would be nothing to stop me from peeing or shitting my pants and not realize it, does that ever happen?
mikey_says ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 19:07:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. I blacked out on an acid/molly combo one night, and the only thing i vaguely remember is running barefoot through the woods and blasting out a shit right on the ground. I woke up in my tent with a crusty ass, and thought to myself, "holy shit, I really did run through the woods spraying shit on the ground."
budgybudge ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:26:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I used to just sit and listen to doom metal all night. I was doing it all wrong.
mikey_says ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been there, too. I'd rather not black out.
I had eaten 4 hits of blotter, and accidentally spit it out while talking with a friend. She encouraged me to simply eat 4 more. I think the first 4 were already in my system. Then some girl came up to me with a literal spoonful of molly and I took that. Then we started hitting the picklebacks, and next thing I knew, I was face down in my tent with my buttcheeks glued together.
enliderlighankat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:06:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
omfg dude hahaha
Moozilbee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:35:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely primal
SubatomicTitan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:16:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bowels used to get all sorts of funky on any drugs. I think serotonin and dopamine increase bowel movement and whenever I would trip, hard shitting was always a weird experience. You feel a slight tinge of maybe it might be a shit? Go to the bathroom immediately not worth the risk of such embarrassment while tripping. Also being gross and tripping doesn't sound fun. Sweaty, rain, or mud is fine but bodily fluids? that sounds like a great way to bring down a trip.
Interesting you mention peeing your pants as my girlfriend, who doesn't like drugs as much as me, said that tripping felt like she was constantly pissing herself. She did not piss herself but I got her in a swimsuit and reassured her that she was fine. Different for everyone!
rmfrazi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Many have the same worry/sensation while tripping, but nah, its not gonna happen. Enjoy the body melt!
Gogoliath ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It does happen. Also acid constricts your intestines a lot, so I become a fart machine. You can hold your shit in (maybe not the farts) but I recommend going into the bathroom and shitting if you feel like it because it feels good and tripping in bathrooms is always awesome (usually I take a shower right after that too that takes like 3 minutes but seems like 3 hours), and now you have one less thing to worry about - you're clean and relaxed.
Usually even when you take a big hit it takes a while to start really tripping so you do it before that. You'll also pee a lot, as will everyone else, so don't take the bathroom for too long (usually you can't unless you enter into a deep insight while in there). In OP's case he was probably gripping very hard on his lower parts which can cause discomfort but the trip takes it away when you melt. Never did such a high dose though, just about ~350ug tops
TrapperKeeper959 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you go in the bathroom just don't look at the mirror...
HomingSnail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hasn't to me yet, though I have another short story to share...
Decided to trip back on the eclipse last summer, and had some friends tripping with me. One guy was always super worried that he was going to miss it somehow. So anytime we mentioned it and went to go look at the sun (with proper glasses I ordered and verified beforehand) he'd get super worried, scared, and excited all at once. And at one point he pissed himself when we started talking about it. Just stood up and apologized, we said it was good and got him some new pants. Shit... or piss... happens
shamanicdeity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Asking for a friend" And yeah, that makes sense.
AnchorDropped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that happens.
medicmotheclipse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:58:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure of the exact doseage, but the first time I tripped on acid I had quite the time figuring out that I needed to go to the bathroom. "Huh, my abdomen feels really weird" proceed to massage tummy for two hours contemplating this
Magsca ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're tripping, not retarded
kataskopo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:55:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know my life
Magsca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're completely correct, internet stranger
mikey_says ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:04:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually called "getting puddled"
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=puddled
anonymous6366 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:32:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
funny you referenced that, I wrote definition #6 there because I didn't really like the other ones and non mentioned the HPPD which has been known to happen from this.
The story used for the "use it in a sentence" is the same story I told above, and is a real story lol.
edit: proof
Lulzorr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HPPD. I have this. It's fine.
HomingSnail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's just scary, I couldn't imagine...
awry_lynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ego death is fucking crazy but I don't think I've (fully) been there ever, exactly. I mean, my experience was getting crazy high after a while not smoking, and I expect weed is relatively gentler than that much LSD, right? I just got full blown amnesia, kept walking around a circuitous route, telling my bf that "everything makes sense", forgetting who I was, thinking that I was just a moment in someone's (my) life passing by... something about time going in all directions but my experience only going one way. Sleep was death. Knowing that sleep was death gave me some wild insomnia lmao. How every moment of my life going by was in some way death, same as change, kind of ship of Theseus-like? I honestly don't think that was real ego death, but I got close. Everything was "one" and the reason I didn't have the knowledge/memory/understanding of everything is because I am constantly existing/dying/coming back... there was something about a checkerboard and everything resolving to black/white, one/zero, everything making sense but nothing making sense, people just being their individual universes that collide sometimes and uhhhh. Yeah. It's fresh in my mind, this happened last night and I'm still kind of frazzled. I thought I'd check reddit to ground myself, just read shit and be lazy, and instead of course I come up on a thread that I can't stay out of lol.
I know who I am, I know my past now, I know that what I am is fully contained in my brain/neurons firing/grey matter... but holy shit, that's also a spiritual fucking experience. I have never believed in a god, and I still don't, but I can see why people do. The feeling of total oneness is incredible. I wish I could remember it more fully. The existence of consciousness is insane, even if this is just an illusion (it's not).
Oh, and apparently I kept saying it's all a simulation. I guess I read too much scifi. I kept trying to find the one 'truth' that explains everything. Looking back on it it looks awfully banal, but at the time it felt incredible. It's all a simulation, or maybe it's all just moments in time with only a past and not a future, because that's all we can see. Sorry to unload, I really needed to work through this crap apparently.
anonymous6366 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:41 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sure you smoked weed there? lol
That honestly sounds more like you smoked sativa, spice, or maybe weed laced with something (I've heard rumors of people lacing PCP in weed for some reason)
What you described is more than just "really high". I had a similar sort of thing happen to me once after smoking some really fucking strong JWH-018 K2 (the original spice) back in the day. It was called "Dark Knight" and you could buy it at gas stations for like $15 / g. Fuck that shit
awry_lynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:59 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know. It was my friend's, when I first felt it taking hold I definitely was like "Are you SURE this is just weed" but he laughed and said yes and I don't think he'd lie about that... you could definitely be right, he could definitely be wrong. Fuckkk. I still have (the next day) lingering flashes of 'knowing' and 'certainty' that I'm pretty sure are delusions. At least I don't have to go into work today. Thank god for small mercies.
anonymous6366 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who had some sort of intense acid flashback after smoking a just a little bit of weed. He ended up calling the cops on himself lol.
Shit can happen sometimes especially if you don't smoke much then take a big rip off a bong or something.
awry_lynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:13 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah for sure. I THINK it's the amnesia combined with euphoria then my brain tries to fill in the blanks and make the universe make sense with my limited knowledge at the time, at least that's the best guess I have.
Or it's really all a simulation and I just peeked around the curtain ha-ha-kidding.
Orvelo ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:45:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of my (comparatively mild) experience with (what I assume was) morphine. I was injected some at hospital for extreme back/Sciatica pain. It was glorious as I felt no pain for the first time in 5 months. Also I thought and felt I was a seal basking in the warm summer sun on a rock at a lake.
Yeah. It was great.
jeffbaier ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a bicycle accident and fucked up my left ear and broke my collarbone. In the ER they gave me some sort of opiate and I had a very similar experience.
I was just happy as could be in my own little world. Thought I was sitting in the warm sun fishing at my family's pond.
In reality they were scraping small bits of gravel out of my wounds and sewing my ear back on.
willvsworld ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:56:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird that you seemingly see things that have always been there when you're tripping. I'm talking about real things, like texture and sound. You don't realize those details day to day. I know a lot of people make fun of that realization, but yeah...it happens.
TzunSu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
4-AcO-DMT is such a trip. I used to buy it by the gram, we were shoveling that powder in by the end. By far my favorite psych.
Gogoliath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So quick and so powerful... The first ones scared me a lot when it was starting and the very next moment had me feeling calm and like I was a plant sweating in a cool forest.
-edit oh nvm confused it with DMT alone which lasts 15 mins tops
TzunSu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It actually is both quick and powerful haha, but that's because you're pretty much snorting concentrated shrooms. This will last 4-8 hours, but the comeup is INTENSE if you're not used to insufflating psychs. You've got maybe a minute or two before you're in the middle of a very intensive trip.
intothestarz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never snorted 4-aco-dmt but have snorted 2cb.
pablowh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean weโre mostly water you more so than not are a puddle
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't done acid, but I did take a few huge hits of 80x salvia once. I thought i was a wooden chair at a dinner table. It was really weird to lose all comprehension of where you are, who you are and what you are..
HomingSnail ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is
I've only had the chance to try salvia once, and being new to the plant we just bought some straight leaf, unenhanced. I smoked a whole bowl of it as quick as possible because I new it would get hard to focus pretty quick. I didn't have any mindbending shit happen though, I just felt really manic and had the strange feeling that an invisible goblin was stealing my memories.
Been waiting til I come across some extract at a smoke shop but haven't had any luck in my area.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is AL-LAD to you? I've heard a lot of conflicting reports. As it is, I've currently stopped grabbing RC's off the net, as they've been cracking down, especially on non-domestic orders.
HomingSnail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:55:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say it's either that or 1p-lsd that is my favorite. But they're all pretty similar.
And by the way, if you are referencing the recent Canada xpresspost problem back in the last quarter of last year then I may have good news for you. The xpresspost siezings were for another crackdown altogether, and many packages actually came through after bring held in customs for the full 90 day period.
I still haven't personally ordered since that particular problem. But I'm mostly waiting to see how a few new vendors are reviewed.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well nice! Exactly what I was referring to. Thank you kindly!
sluggathugga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good God, it only takes me ~150ug to get there.
I also sweat and overheat like crazy, I get muscle tension in the back of my neck, and it takes me ~24 hours to come down fully. Needless to say, I did acid twice and only tried microdosing since (and I still overheat even on ~15ug). I also get the worst sensitivity to light.
HomingSnail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the lowest amount I've ever done actually. And the first time I did 200ug
sluggathugga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I had a really good babysitter and a perfect environment, I might get the balls to try 200ug. 150 was seriously everything... puddles, ego death, lost touch with reality.
Then again, the one time I tried SSRIs, they had a wicked strong effect on me, too. Doc told me it'd take ~30 days for a dose to build up to get me over my anxiety. Within 6 hours I was in the kind of mental state where a bomb could have gone off near me and I'd have been fine.
HomingSnail ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always had a high tolerance to things in general. Smoke more weed than most people I know, need more psychs. Hell, the few times I've tried adderall I can hardly feel an effect from 15mg unless I snort it.
WillYouTaiMaiShu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does addy make you chill out and calm?
HomingSnail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I tend to get really talkative. I'll generally have something that I'm doing offhand, like a video game grind, and just be talking my ass off to anyone nearby.
WillYouTaiMaiShu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I take it amd makes me really calm and I dont talk much. It kills my personality and makes me rather angry.
rbiqane ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:51:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seek some help dude...the fuck...
Shit isn't brag worthy whatsoever
HomingSnail ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:00:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the advice but I'll respectfully decline. I live a relatively normal life aside from my substance use, I work and attend school full time so I think I'm doing alright. The particular trip in question was only "puddly", so to say, for about an hour and a half if I remember. And I've been doing a lot of stuff to help myself lately that we're inspired by my thoughts during the rest of that day while tripping. I certainly agree that the potential for abuse exists, but I'm generally responsible when it comes to drugs
rbiqane ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 20:13:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, just the occasional unregulated illegal narcotics puddle trip? Well in that case...
frostysauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hallucinogens are not narcotics.
rbiqane ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:16:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs_(US)
The DEA seems to think otherwise...
Then again, thats just "the oppressive government trying to hold you down" or something
frostysauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The DEA is the last place you want to get correct information on drugs from.
Also, your above post mentions
They're not unregulated if they are illegal.
rbiqane ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:27:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao...that's precisely WHY they're unregulated you fool. Because they're illegal no government organization can ensure their purity and dosage! Lose a couple brain cells now have we? ๐๐๐
C9DM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You probably think weed is harmful too lmao. "Wahh it's a harmful narcotic!" It's not hurting you or anyone else, chill out.
rbiqane ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is harmful to your brain and your lungs. It also effects your reaction times and decision making skills.
How many times have things caught on fire because idiots were too busy getting high? Maybe the oven was left on, or a candle was left burning.
How many children have been neglected and not fed lunch or dinner because their parents were too stoned to even realize they were supposed to be babysitting or realize what time it even was?
How many car accidents have occurred due to one of the parties being stoned?
C9DM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not harmful to your brain. And there are more ways to consume cannabis than smoking it that are not harmful (ie. Topicals, oils, edibles).
That is simply people being irresponsible under the influence of a substance, this doesn't mean the substance is harmful, it means those people are stupid. The same could be said about alcohol but to an even higher extent.
None that I've heard of? Cannabis isn't addicting. Why are you acting like cannabis is heroine? It's a legitimate medicinal plant.
I never hear of accidents because of people being stoned. But this is exactly like point 2, that's due to the user being stupid and irresponsible. You should never drive under the influence of anything, even say, melatonin. The same could be said about alcohol, again.
flapface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:23:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't take the bait.
rbiqane ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just search for "stoned parent neglects child"...I'm sure you'll find enough cases in the past 10 years
C9DM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ignore all counterpoints that's cool.
HomingSnail ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... it's not like I'm hurting myself or anyone during it. So why the bother over it?
rbiqane ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's illegal, and, it's a mind altering substance.
You put yourself and those around you in danger. If you can't realize the implications of that, then I probably can't explain it to you any further.
HomingSnail ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:40:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see how something's illegal status makes it inherently dangerous. The only dangers posed to me by these specific drugs are:
Mental health- especially with abuse, acid and other hallucinogenic drugs can can cause persistent hallucinations or mental issues. However this normally only occurs after long periods of frequent use and with large doses. Which are required to feel effects at such high tolerances. I don't deny this, the key is to stick to low doses and figure out your personal threshold. Once you understand that limit, it's no different than doing extreme sports, in fact you could say it's safer, if you were comparing mental and physical risk. I personally limit myself to amounts that I can handle, this has been my closest to a "bad trip" but I ended up handling it just fine, and it was a bit of a excess even for me. One that I knew I'd be ok on, but wasn't sure what to expect with.
The "insert government name here"s legal system and law enforcement- The real danger here, the sole fact that people like you think it's dangerous, is what makes it "OK" for the government to illegalize and send armed police after people choosing to use these substances. That is the #1 most dangerous part of using psychedelic drugs, and many other types of drugs as well. The fact that it makes you some sort of degenerate "other" that's acceptable to lock up for life. The fact that, since it's illegal, no one can regulate or verify the safety of products. And the fact that even talking about addiction or drug use is taboo and excludes those people who are most often struggling and need help.
Just my small rant on shitty attitudes towards drugs like yours
fartsAndEggs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:37:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being illegal doesn't mean its bad. Lighten up dude. Just because it scares you doesn't mean its wrong for others. There are plenty of medicinal uses of hallucinogens, most notably helping with PTSD. Who cares if you alter your mind? Some people's minds need altering. It's not like your mind is perfect and has no room for improvement?
rbiqane ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mind is perfection. I'm a Republican. ๐
BAgloink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How bout you give less of a shit what other people do, it's none of your business.
C9DM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brings politics into everything completely unrelated. Yup, definitely a republican.
shit-my-fam-says ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm a Republican." Yes, that was very easy to tell.
rbiqane ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:17:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Half the country is RED...actually more than half
What's blue? Whiny states like Illinois and California
shit-my-fam-says ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or... Being blue in a red state. Like Indiana
rbiqane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ermagerrrrd..."I'm with HER" in real life
Eupraxes ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe that was a learning experience alright xD
awolliamson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious how familiar you are with acid dosage? I took a sugar cube my first and only time. Ended up breaking some stuff in the apartment, leaving, thinking I'd died, thinking I was the only person in existence, punching some glass without feeling it cut me, asked a few people for sex including the cops, and in the hospital as John Doe because I couldn't remember who I was.
Anyway, I've always wondered if a sugar cube was a lot, or if it was just because I was in a really low place at that point in my life
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:29:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
pretty damned familiar
It was probably a combination. You chose your first trip to trip alone, and your words I quoted imply you weren't in a great place in life. That is a really bad combination for a trip. Set and setting is really important when you trip. You must be comfortable with where you're physically tripping and who you're physically tripping with. If any self-doubt or general fears pass by your consciousness when considering the trip, it is not a good idea to proceed, as you are not internally comfortable with the situation. The second requirement to a successful trip is being comfortable with your current position in life. That doesn't mean idle or perfectly content, but going into a trip, especially solo, while dealing with anxieties or depression, is a terrible idea.
Especially since you took a sugar cube, a generally "weak" way to store LSD, I'm guessing it was a little too much and a lot of the wrong timing.
ThaJarseff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How in the hell do you manage to combine DMT with anything? I thought DMT makes you basically comatose for a while, why bother with more on top of that? How much have you done DMT, to arrive at the conclusion that it's not intense enough by itself? That sounds more judgey than I want it to, but I'm just curious.
RAsiago ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He probably did the DMT after he was already tripping on the other stuff, DMT does make you completely not interactive at high doses, but only for around 5-20 minutes or so.
ThaJarseff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Still seems like that would be enough by itself.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It depends. If you don't take a "breakthrough" dose, which can actually be kind of difficult, then you're just sort of immediately tripping in an extremely geometric environment for around 20 minutes. The overall trip only lasts around 15-30 anyway.
Second, it's not like "okay, let's take all this at once right now!" It takes planning. See, MDMA has a short time of effect relative to LSD, so you want to take the LSD first. Believe me, being high on LSD during the come-down of an MDMA trip is NOT fun. So, take the LSD. If I take a moderate amount, it's probably a 8-12 hour experience, with maybe 8 of that being a "strong trip," so I took the MDMA three hours in. It came up around hour 4, and I came down around hour 8, perfectly in-line with the LSD. Once we were flying high on that combo, we climbed a short "mountain" out west and smoked DMT on top of it. It was crazy. We didn't bring anything to vaporize it with, so we didn't get the full breakthrough, but loading a bowl in layers with green/DMT/green gets you quite, quite high. It was incredible, looking up at the sky. We were on a plateau, so it was like lying on a flat, grassy circle, way up in the air, with the city below us. The stars were out in force as well.
It's not about overall intensity. If you're combining substances, generally you lower the total amount you'd usually take of each substance. You also have to consider that each drug has different positive effects, and synergistic drugs combined together create an entirely new experience. I don't have issue taking them separately, although those years are mostly behind me.
ThaJarseff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well goddamn. That's way more thought than I ever put into any of my trips. Sounds like the payoff was well worth it.
frostysauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is Lucy?
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LSD
frostysauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, duh. Thanks!
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand those words but those sentences make no sense.
Buttslammer5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know exactly what you mean about the quick onset indicating a massive experience, because when I eat 7g of mushrooms it starts out right away feeling like I'm peaking on 3-4g
capix1 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is acid still a thing? I remember doing it way back 25 years ago and remember everyone having 4 eyes. And people thought I looked fucked up. Who has 4 eyes? No one I know has done acid in the past 15 years, hell I wouldnt even know where to get it! Im also old...so theres that.
EDIT: ok, Im sold...will go out tonight and see if its around.
PMMELIZARDASS ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 15:53:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
College student checking in-- psychedelics are making a big comeback with the recent surge in hippie culture. Ecstasy/molly, acid, shrooms, pcp and dmt are all on the rise. Shrooms are probably more popular than acid at the moment though. EDIT: at least in my town, I want to move to wherever you guys are living with cheap acid everywhere, I hate shrooms.
bizitmap ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shrooms are much easier to produce is why
PMMELIZARDASS ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I never thought of that, that would make sense why theyre more popular, even though acid gives you a "cleaner" trip (at least in my experience, and several of my friends)
MintyTruffle ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:38:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel more lucid on acid and prefer it. Shrooms are awesome as well, but they make me much more clouded and confused.
PMMELIZARDASS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, acid just gives a much cleaner high, shrooms make me feel like dense clouds are on the edges of my brain and are slowly snuffing out my lucidity, if that makes any sense. The intense visuals are sometimes too much for me, plus I get nauseated and a bad headache from shrooms. Overall shrooms are still pretty fun, but I much prefer acid.
snbrd512 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acid gives me horrible stomach cramps. Shrooms do too but not nearly as bad
iamjakeparty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get cramps but during the come up I get an upset stomach and the need to take a shit. Pooping on acid is not particularly enjoyable.
Gogoliath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aww, I like it
if I don't do it early I'll get cramps too
iamjakeparty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first couple times it was super weird but now it's just a chore. Like damn I could be doing something interesting but instead I'm sitting here in a tiny room getting reverse buttfucked.
galacticengine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you on SSRIs or have a history with depression? Serotonin is used in your digestion system and LSD is a serotonin antagonist I think. It could be throwing your chemistry off and causing the stomach cramps. I'm not sure if a change in serotonin would cause problems that quickly though. I know a lot of SSRIs have the side effect of causing stomach issues until you get used to them.
snbrd512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting theory, but no to both
imisswbush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
never try peyote! everyone pukes before tripping balls
snbrd512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would actually be ok with that, as long as once you puked the discomfort was over
Pichus_Wrath ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I peaked watching a documentary about the Russian Revolution and then floated around in No Man's Sky until four in the morning last time I tripped. Shrooms are fun.
bizitmap ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:57:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got emotionally invested in a 1960s B-movie about cowboys being shown on public broadcast at 2am.
singdawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got emotionally invested in the matrix. Seriously?
defined2112 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get to pick them up the Welsh mountains every autumn, liberty caps are great!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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HomingSnail ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always gotten a kinda sleepy, shitty feeling off of tryptamines for the come-up and come-down of my trips that just ruins the experience. Acid feels much cleaner and I have a more enjoyable time.
sillysidebin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lsd is a tryptamine
HomingSnail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LSD has a weird chemical structure that's kind of a tryptamine and kind of a phenethylamine. But you're correct, when I say tryptamine I'm referring to the group of chemicals associated with magic mushrooms. My specific experience is with 4-aco-dmt.
Tamespotting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to get that when I was younger, which made me stop hallucinogens but it stopped when I got a little older.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:52:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PMMELIZARDASS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not a psychedelic, it did become pretty obsolete for a while though, but I think the new generation hasnt realized how bad it is yet and its making a (hopefully brief) comeback
MrSickRanchezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't heard of anyone doing PCP recently... Where do you live?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PMMELIZARDASS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A college in a small hippie town full of old people. theres nothing to do besides drugs here.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:42:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:12:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It blows me away that this came back. It peaked in the late 70s for a reason. I thought it went away entirely just because it was so bad; but nope.
MrSickRanchezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What circles is it coming back in?! Dirty south I'm assuming...
HappyColored_Marbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both ketamine and PCP are somewhat structurally similar, and are both dissociatives, though ketamine is said to have more of a sedative effect and less likelihood to cause mania and all the negative effects that people generally associate with PCP.
Legal ketamine analogs are enjoying a rise in popularity as of late, but with them getting harder to find as new laws restricting their use or manufacture are put into place, new analogs which more closely resemble PCP in structure and effects are being offered as alternatives.
I'm sure that's not the whole story. Some people may be actually seeking out PCP and analogs on purpose. But I suspect this has a lot to do with things.
MrSickRanchezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As I understand it PCP is a whole fuck of a lot more dangerous, and pretty much guaranteed to induce psychosis with regular use. Where as ketamine has very few negative side effects.
HappyColored_Marbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's a guarantee. Both are in the same class of drug, and undoubtedly there are many who use PCP and various analogs, even long-term, without any major issues. The primary effect is in fact similar between both drugs (they are both NMDA receptor antagonists, which cause dissociation by blocking signals through your brain, similarly to how anesthetics work).
From what I'm reading, PCP has more affinity for the stimulation of adrenal receptors and can cause the blockade of dopamine receptors, which causes the undesirable effects. As the structure shifts away from PCP's and closer to ketamine's, this effect lessens. Both are arylcyclohexylamines, with ketamine having a methylamine at the N-position, a chlorine ortho-substituent on the aryl group, and a double-bonded oxygen attached to the cyclohexyl group, whereas PCP uses piperidine at the N-position, and unsubstituted benzene and cyclohexane groups.
(The choice of amine and unsubstituted rings are probably what makes PCP easier and more attractive for illicit synthesis. Piperidine is likely easier for clandestine chemists obtain and work with than methylamine, since it's a liquid at room temperature and can be cleaved off of piperine, which can be extracted from common black pepper.)
saleb_cims ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At my College acid is way easier to get than shrooms. 125 ug a tab usually so it isnโt bad stuff either.
PMMELIZARDASS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats actually lower than normal, you might be getting shorted. "standard" (if you can have a standard with illegal drugs) is 150 a tab, and 300ug double dip tabs are pretty common too.
Splinter_Fritz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it might be location dependent. From my experiences 100ug was always the standard. Though I'm not an expert when it comes to this so I might be off.
Rambles_Off_Topics ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It used to be that way in our town (shrooms more popular) but right now acid is super cheap and there's a lot more of it around.
MrSickRanchezz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IME, shrooms have always been harder to acquire (unless you live near cows). My guess is it's because in a lab, you can produce a metric fuck ton of lsd all at once, whereas you need a big fucking farm and a decent chunk of time to produce the equivalent amount of mushrooms.
BAgloink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my buddy grows a ton of shrooms in a bag smaller than a piece of luggage.
MrSickRanchezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A bag of lsd that size could probably get all of China high, your point? Also still takes time.
BAgloink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point is you don't need a farm.
MrSickRanchezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about availability, and your neighborhood mycologist may be able to make them in a tiny bag, but he can't supply a town with that tiny bag. However, a little time in a small lab, and you could supply an entire town with lsd.
BAgloink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya except I was pointing out that you don't need access to a farm, you can grow them in a bag, or have several, or ya, buy some acid. It's not one or the other.
MrSickRanchezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And for the third time, you've failed to grasp what we were discussing. We WERE NOT discussing whether or not mushrooms are easy to grow at home. We WERE discussing why acid is usually easier to find, at least where I'm from. The only reason a farm was brought up is, because you would literally need a farm to produce enough mushrooms to compete with a single acid batch. Therefore, it's easier for LARGE SCALE SUPPLIERS to produce and distribute acid.
Edit: No one ever said it was one or the other, you thought that, and assumed it's what I meant, even though the words I chose do not imply that.
BAgloink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I didn't fail to grasp it. You were a dick in your initial response to me when I was trying to point something out.
MountainDewFountain ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 15:12:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it is most certainly around now, some would even say it's making a comeback in a big way. Go to any jam band music festival and it is all over. There are also many availible analouges that are almost identical to the real thing that you can get on the clearnet if you do your homework.
hogimusPrime ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:55:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Right. So... what is a clearnet?
Back in my day we just took the bus downtown to find acid.
TOEMEIST ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The clearnet is the regular internet where we are right now. There are websites you can order these drugs from.
chrico031 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clearnet is the term used to refer to the part of the internet that most people are on.
As opposed to the Darknet/Darkweb, which is what most people think of when they imagine buying drugs online.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah.
Silk road etc are in the darknet which you can only connect to through Tor.
Clearnet is this here. Reddit, google etc and some drug sites for greyarea/legal drugs
hey_i_tried ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha gotcha
Allthemleeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and these sites for legal drugs are? Just so I can stay away from them.
CrayonGobblingGrunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Smokeyschemsite is one that comes to mind. You have to know how to use bitcoin or something similar though. Their inventory changes frequently but they usually have an analogue called 1p-lsd that is VERY similar to old school acid. Good luck.
Flufflecorns ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful, though; these analogues are almost all amphetamines and could absolutely kill you if you combine them with an SSRI like Prozac or Zoloft. LSD's effects are lessened by antidepressants, but its analogues' effects will be amplified.
HomingSnail ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:50:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the case if you're actually getting analogues, you're just thinking of trying to find street acid in general, which can be pretty bunk. Online ordering is pretty consistent and LSD has several chemical analogues that interact the same way with serotonin receptors that the parent drug does.
Flufflecorns ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:54:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize for my ignorance. You're definitely right; I've never tried ordering online. I just didn't want anybody to hurt themselves. Thank you for the correction.
HomingSnail ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, no problem. And to anyone who sees this still, it's still a SUPER good idea to buy a test kit if you ever decide to try some of these drugs. They're not too expensive and they'll sort out the bad from the good.
Allthemleeves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And these analogues are legal? And I can buy them?
HomingSnail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Technically. They are legal to order, but by US law at least they are still illegal for human use and can be prosecuted as their "parent" drug if they can prove it was used, or dealt, etc. Effectively, you can order them to your house, but it's still illegal to use. Shipping them in becomes legal, and possession is quasi-legal.
And you can buy them, there is a certain Canadian site that's popular for psychedelic analogues that I won't mention by name in an open thread. But you can pm me if you want.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Flufflecorns ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another very accurate correction. Thank you.
TOEMEIST ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The DOx compounds used to be sold as LSD a lot and those are amphetamines so he is kind of right.
TzunSu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2C was invented by Shulgin, it's not a "designer/RC" drug.
bori_2791 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does it being synthesized by Sasha have anything to do with whether or not it's an RC? The term has more to do with whether it's scheduled or not, LSD, MDMA, and mescaline were considered research chemicals at one time.
TzunSu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they weren't. A research chemical is so named because that's how they are sold, as chemicals for research. They're specifically designed to be psychoactive, yet not fit into classifications that make them illegal. 2C-B for example, was synthesised to get you high, not for a legal high. The difference is why they were first synthesised. If they were created to mimic a drug, yet to still be legal, then they would have been RCs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TzunSu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most i would say? Shulgin didn't invent MDMA, he popularized it. Shulgin did great work, and was the first to synthesize a lot of compounds, but not that many of them are popular.
Those are good points, i just wanted to clarify something when it comes to RCs. Many people seem to think an RC is any kind of new chemical, which it isn't. RCs are specifically for compounds that are sold as research chemicals, to skirt drug laws.
There is also some unbased fear in a lot of people when it comes to RCs. There are a lot of really great RCs out there, but the problem is that most people only come in contact with them when they're trying to buy something else, and some of those (NBOMes, for example, if we're talking psychs) are straight up lethal. RCs is something to avoid until you know what you're doing imo.
Sorry for going off on a tangent there :P
fuck_you_gami ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some analogs (25i-NBOMe) can be very harmful, but more modern analogs (1P-LSD, ALD-52 and AL-LAD to a lesser extent) are virtually indistinguishable from LSD-25.
TzunSu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're far from "almost all amphetamines". The vast majority sold are functional analogues. The problem is that if you're buying bunk LSD, it's likely to contain some NBOMe. Which is not a good thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't go around snorting 2CB mixed into powered sugar.
Terrible pain
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is an analouge?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Is it safe, any side effects?
PM_ME_YOUR_SNORKS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some are safe some aren't it truly depends on which RC you get and the dosage. In regulated measured doses certain nbome's can be an incredible experience but they can also be deadly if used wrong in my opinion they aren't worth it, it is a very uncomfortable trip in my experience. The one analog I know of that is safe is 1p-lsd there are vendors online who sell and ship it to your door legally. If you are looking to get one of these analogs be sure to do your research on it to find out how to do it safely. If it's bitter it's a spitter I learned that the hard way.
HomingSnail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you look into legitimate analogues, that are chemically analogous to LSD, then they're 100% safe (physically at least, it still has mental effects just like LSD-25). Searching "research chemicals" should give you more info.
HappyLederhosen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is as safe as the original in the best case, often far less so. Because they're not specifically banned, these substances are legal (until they get banned soon after), but especially on the street you can't be sure exactly what you're getting.
IShouldLiveInPepper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basically chemicals that range from similar to nearly identical to others like LSD or whatever but are just chemically different enough that they don't fall under the same schedule drug laws. So with some research you can buy them online "legally" until they become big enough that the DEA finally outlaws them.
sloppyjalopy3000 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:01:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I need to put some harm reduction tips here. There's a lot of NBOMe that is often sold as LSD, but they are very different chemicals. Unlike LSD, NBOMe will kill you if you take too much. If you can, you should test your drugs, but if you can't, always swallow the tab. LSD is bio-available through digestion, but NBOMe has to be absorbed through mucus membranes to be available.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YES! nbome is a shit trip too
HuleJakUp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily, I had an absolutely amazing trip on 25B-NBOMe, and a pretty decent one on 25I. However, I'd never touch any of them again and my friend got some really creepy leg pains for a while after we did it.
Also, the comedown fucking sucks. LSD comedowns also suck for me, but not nearly as bad as NBOMe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like i fot punched in the stomach for the whole trip..uncomfortable is to minor a word... plus very little visual action
HuleJakUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
25I required really high doses to give me anything visual and was really shitty in lower doses. 25B gave me the most visuals I've ever had, but that's what people say about 2C-B and I haven't tried that, so there might not be that much of a difference between those two
LadyMethaneCuddles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I posted something similar but thought it was "M Bomb." I like your comment better.
spanctimony ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And nbome is just one of dozens of RCs that people can soak into a tab of paper and make you trip. Stick to mushrooms unless you know the provenance.
TOEMEIST ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From ~2010-2014 yeah but NBOMe is actually kinda rare nowadays; LSD has made a huge comeback recently. You should still always test your tabs with Ehrlich's reagent but the risk is definitely not as great as a few years ago.
PM_ME_YOUR_SNORKS ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:09:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are looking for a very close alternative that is in a legal grey area you can order 1p-LSD from a few vendors online. I've heard great things about it and you can have it shipped right to your door since it isn't illegal. It has the exact same composition as lsd except for the 1p which is to the best of my knowledge an inert molecule they add just to have it be different from lsd. it doesn't have any noticeable effects on the trip from what I've heard. With that being said it is still a research chemical but it is much much safer than the other RC's out there such as 25i or other NBOME's. Some dealers on the street will sell RC's as acid and they can be harmful if not deadly if used wrong so be sure to trust your source and if you are able to get a testing kit to make sure it's real.
captaincupkirk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:20:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried 1p-LSD and genuine acid side-by-side multiple times and I can honestly say I couldn't notice a single difference. It's a great deal and around the same price as genuine, too. Takes about the same time to kick in and lasts the same amount of time, no added side effects or hangover. It's awesome. Probably won't be legal very long, though.
LatinoCanadian1995 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you personally used this type of Lsd?
PM_ME_YOUR_SNORKS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I have not, I've taken a break from psychs just because I feel that I've gotten all I need from them. I do have a few friends who have tried it and said it was very similar and almost no noticeable differences between that and the real deal. The vendors I know of are just found through a google search they are discrete and reliable although the product is a bit more expensive than what you would find on the streets. As with all drugs though do your research beforehand to make sure it is something you would want to use.
LatinoCanadian1995 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply. I will for sure do some research anything you or anyone on here can recommend to try? Or is that breaking some rules of reddit?
PM_ME_YOUR_SNORKS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the site that sells 1p also sells various other chemicals a lot of it is organic chemistry nonsense that I don't understand but you may recognize some of them. I believe all of them have psychoactive properties but a google search can tell you all you would want to know about them here's the link to the vendor lysergi.
LatinoCanadian1995 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's beautiful thanks brother hopefully I find a day where I have no need for these psychoactive drugs.
HomingSnail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He may not have, but I have, along with several other analogues such as AL-LAD and ETH-LAD. I haven't actually tried "genuine" acid to compare it to but the effects I've experienced are very real, and sound to me to be legit based off of what I've heard. Buying those is also cheaper, safer, and easier than getting it from a dealer.
LatinoCanadian1995 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply man I'll keep that in mind for sure.
Barkasia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worth mentioning that 1P-LSD is illegal in some countries such as the United Kingdom.
APBradley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would love a link to a reputable source if anyone has experience buying it online
PM_ME_YOUR_SNORKS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here ya go lysergi is the site most people buy from I've heard good things about them.
APBradley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
PM_ME_YOUR_SNORKS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No problem!
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:38:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Qel_Hoth ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no. There is not a lot of acid being done constantly by everyone.
A very small minority of people will ever use acid.
zywrek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant everyone in that certain demographic..
pablowh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very small meaning still millions
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely not true. Maybe like .01% of adults use lsd, or any hallucinogens, on any regular basis. I mean it's cool when you're 17, but the come down is hardly worth it
Don_Lupa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im 25, but i dont really find that there even is a comedown on psychedelics. I take low doses, though.
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:25 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you must be doing really low doses. Mushrooms dont have a bad come down, but every other time i've tripped on something else, theres always an excruciating 8-10 hours before you can fall asleep again. Just feel weird and out of it and exhausted. Not dissimilar from opiate withdrawal. Assuming you dont have bars or something to take the edge off
Don_Lupa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:40 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all i remember from higher doses is feeling a bit fried the next day. Nothing too bad. Its very different from person to person
ThreeLZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:49 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, guess I just assumed it was that bad for everyone. Though that does explain why other people seem to enjoy it recreationally.
AceOfTwo ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:12:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its been making a come back since like 2010 or earlier with the whole edm/molly scene going crazy
Meoow-meooow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:18:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More like the 90s, the rave scene was around way before the term "EDM" was even a thing.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These kids today...
crazycanuks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can verify. Was going to "raves" in Windor/Detroit in the early '90's before they were even called raves. I think we just called them underground clubs and we called the music techno or industrial dance. I think. Memory may be a little fuzzy, many drugs were had. My circle did acid, E was just coming onto the scene - never got around to trying it myself.
Long live Plastikman!
AceOfTwo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the term edm is a thing now because so many more people are into that type of music and going out doing club drugs.
hbeezy62 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It Is still very much a thing. From my experience psychedelics seem to be making a huge comeback in the US.
svenmullet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude! The 4 eyes thing! Me too! Did you also notice that everything that had any sort of pattern on it (like denim, ie. your jeans) turns into a "maze" pattern? I remember tripping balls just staring at my pant leg, it was the most amazing labyrinth.
edit: I feel compelled to describe my first acid trip now. I was hanging out at my friend Kevin's place. Kevin was a native "indian" and lived with a couple brothers and his mom. We were both 15 years old. Bored, out of weed, and having a bit of cash in our pockets, we headed into town in search of weed, which we found, but the dealer also had some LSD which he described as "Cartoon acid, double barrel". I wanted to look "cool", so I lied and said "Oh, yeah, I've done that." and Kevin said "Oh cool, I want to try it too. Let's get some." and I was snared. Returning home with our weed and tinfoil flap with two little 1 cm. square pieces of what looked like comic book pages, Kevin starts asking me what to expect, etc., and I just bluff through it and tell him "It's different for everyone." About an hour after taking it, we start to think we got ripped off, not experiencing anything out of the ordinary. I got up to go to the bathroom, and somewhere between flicking on the light and closing the door behind me, something was... off. I looked in the mirror, and got sort of a headrush, like when you stand up too fast and feel like you might pass out, but as that subsided, I watched my face morphing. My chin grew long and pointy, but when I looked at it again, it was normal, but then tufts of hair were growing out of my face, and I had 4 eyes, literally another set of eyes directly above my normal ones... I had to look away from the mirror, but it wasn't frightening at all, it was indescribably hilarious, but with nervous, panicking undertones. The walls were "breathing", and the tile floor, as well as the toilet porcelain and the water in it was bubbling, like boiling water. I had to urinate, and that became a trip unto itself; it was the longest piss I've ever taken in my life, it was arguably the longest piss ever taken, period. By anyone. But watching that never-ending torrent of pale yellow relief triggered mind-blowing hallucinations. The water was changing color rapidly from yellow to pale green to violet to sky blue, then I realized it wasn't the water, it was my vision, washes of colors were spreading across my vision like warm, tingly radiation, it felt like a presence in the bathroom with me, I'd say at the time "spiritual" because I wasn't an atheist yet, but definitely "good" and wanting to help me. It became a voice in my head and assured me that everything was okay, and there was no reason to worry about anything, and to just enjoy, and try to learn from, this "gift". After what seemed like 5 minutes of constant pissing, I was finally done (I mean, seriously, what the fuck did I drink that night?) and headed back out, into an entirely different world. Kevin was on the couch looking weird and as I tried to say "I take it the acid is working on you too?" I realized I could hardly talk, it was an effort, it felt like I was wasting my time using words, I should just think things really hard and I could communicate that way instead. Kevin was babbling on about something, I started laughing, then he did too. Much Music was on TV, (this is back when they actually played music videos) and "Neon Knights" by Black Sabbath came on (It was "Power Hour") As we watched, and this is a shared experience, he confirmed it too, the show "slowed down", like rubbing your finger on a playing record and slowing it down until it's just BRRRRRZZZZZZZZBBB" Everything else was "normal" time, but the TV was running slow... then I have a good look around the room... and witnessed the impossible. Reality was "vibrating"- my focal point, wherever I was looking, there was suddenly an explosion of activity, chairs were twisting and warping into animals, the walls were sagging, and breathing, and melting, the light fixtures swayed and twirled, and everything had a shiny plastic sheen on it... and it became overwhelming. I looked at what was once Kevin, and saw a melting, bubbling lump. I knew I was not crazy, it was just the LSD. That cleared things up a bit, and other than some peripheral vision skittery things, I was sort of back in reality. Kevin was freaking out and I told him it's cool, just ride it out, etc. Little did I know, that was just the first minor peak; a minute or two later, I was twice as brainfucked as the first time. The hallucinations didn't stop when I closed my eyes now, they only got more fantastical and unbelievable. I don't know how the brain conjures up such incredible imagery. Wireframe rendered realities, with transparent electric blue, gelatinous humanoid entities that are friendly and loving and want to play, and you can grab them and they are like water balloons... but with every wave of joyous ecstasy came a wave of doubt, and bad feelings as the "other" reality slipped further away, and then I was in limbo, not normal, but not high, just kind of wondering and wishing it would get out of my system, and how long was this going to go on for? Then another wave would hit, my whole body awash in pleasure and nervous anxiety, tingling like right after a good stretch or a good yawn. And the blue jelly-people were still there, but they didn't want to play any more, which instantly bummed me out. LSD is very sensitive to and influential on emotions and your emotional state. I went on this trip basically happy and content, and other than a few unpleasant bumps, had the best first LSD experience anyone could ask for. To this day I can't say for sure who or what the inter-dimensional beings you meet on hallucinogens are, I guess it is possible to have meaningful conversations with your own mind, but I like to think they are maybe an unknown facet of nature.
It got tiring after the 10th or so "wave", though which is why I rarely did LSD after this. Also, every time after this first trip, the effects were not anywhere near as powerful. I think we got a moderately high dose of very pure LSD the first time. Kevin tripped balls, had a bad trip and hugged his mom a lot that night :(
Thanks for reading!
ChiGuy133 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Can confirm you were definitely tripping balls. Never found myself engrossed into my pants but I've been sucked into a fair few other things
CraigingtonTheCrate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude my jeans had this elaborate purple Haze like look to them and I totally witnessed that maze patter in my jeans. I felt like I was seeing the weaves in the jeans much more clearly, and there was such a contrast of colors between the threads that the whole thing looked maze like. I still wear those same jeans and always remember how I saw them that day lol. Also everything adopted an oil pastel look for about 30 minutes and was probably my favorite part of the trip. Everything looked like a painting, and it was too real for anyone else to ever understand. That's the beauty of trips, it's all so real and vivid to you, and it's a personal experience of yours that you can never fully share
Drifting_Acorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gel tabs my man. Gel tabs.
MaxamillionGrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy any drug you want on the dark web. I'm sure a lot of opiates and pressed pills like Xanax are mixed with fentanyl.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my high school a few years ago it was all weed acid and xanax
Snoglaties ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acid is even better when youโre old!
Eupraxes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as commonplace as it once was (from what I hear, anyway) but it's still pretty easy to get if you know where to look. Darkweb and bitcoin has made anonymous trades easier, which helps.
LadyMethaneCuddles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This drug called "M Bomb" is being sold as acid so be careful. If you take a tab and it tastes BITTER, spit that fucker out because M Bomb can kill you.
CraigingtonTheCrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, watch out though. There is a lot of fake acid these days. Might even seem legit based off the trip, but with real acid you can't die from too much. Fake acid? Sometimes even two or three tabs can kill you, but one gives a great trip. Please please buy a test kit. If you want to trip these days, it is the most responsible thing you can do other than a trip sitter. You will be okay no matter how much real LSD you take. You will live. But you may not live from too much fake lsd
LostGundyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever you find might very well be something else that theyโre just telling you is LSD. It could be stuff you can actually OD on. They can still be fun, I actually enjoyed the โacidโ I later found out was DOC, Just be careful.
Zanpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really depends on where you're located.
sinnysinsins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the thing to do at a lot of music festivals these days, it's not dead by any means
mepat1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acid never stopped being a thing. I was into the party scene from '05 until about '13 and it was pretty popular all throughout that period. Still seems to be today...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out for bullshit. These kids today take RCs ( research chemicals) that are kinda likw acid, but not the same, but they dint know any better
austinobambino ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:36:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone care to explain what egodeath is?
buds4hugs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is a total and utter detachment from who you are, what you know you are. This post explains it best
It can be a confusing experience, but not necessarily scary in the terms of fear. Most people come out of it with a new outlook on life or a new sense of subjective self. These are very powerful personal experiences
Eupraxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to put into words, but in short it means you lose perception of yourself. That continuous awareness that you have while you're not sleeping just kind of disappears, but you're still capable of thinking. You're kind of floating above yourself, disconnected.
I found that it can be both comforting and frightening. For some people it's the reason they take psychedelics, for others it's an unpleasant side effect of taking too much.
FamousM1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever looked up LSD thumbprints?
Eupraxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, never heard of that. Been a little while since I last did LSD though, I may be out of the loop xD
dude_with_amnesia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LSD has never given me ego death except maybe the first time I tried it. Not really that intensely spiritual as far as other psychedelics go... Kinda jealous.
notwithagoat ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I took 230 and thought that was intense.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 15:30:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part was I called because I convinced myself that my body was evaporating water as I drank it and that I was going to dry out and wither away. That led me to drink about three 32oz Gatorade bottles as I was waiting for "help," so I had to pee every thirty minutes it seemed like.
notwithagoat ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:38:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Time distortion is crazy one minute feels like fifty or fifty can feel like five.
AzarachWilder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about infinity loops? Xd
cricketjacked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Infinity loops?
Sean951 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:16:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten myself "stuck" repeating thoughts/actions for what seemed like infinite time. It's an experience.
poeandfinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten that feeling just on weed
Sean951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's different but similar.
PM_ME_YOUR_DMT_TRIP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That shit fucks me up the worst. I've been plagued by a mind that likes to think that I'm stuck in a time loop and there's nothing I can do to get out of it. Equally terrifying is the feeling that one wrong move will end the universe instantly. You're stuck in the loop until you perform the one right move to keep the universe chugging along.
AzarachWilder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know what u mean. :3
cricketjacked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. That's what I thought you meant. It happened to me on weed too. It was not a fun time.
Sean951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not OP, I just had similar experiences on both. Oh the 2, the psychedelics was worse.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is you weren't wrong, we DO evaporate water out of our skin. My greatest "realization" in that "state of mind" was that all the garbage TV/radio that's broadcast was also being broadcast into space as well and that any civilization advanced enough to receive it would think we were complete dumbasses, which we totally are.
PM_ME_YOUR_DMT_TRIP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tat's what acid makes people think. You take some normal thing like perspiration and take it to the extreme. I'm losing gallons of water in a second and I need to drink water to avoid becoming a prune.
Have a video skip backwards and replay the same 3 seconds over and over? Clearly you have entered a time loop from which you will never escape. You will spend infinity in this 3 second stretch of time.
Lucid-Crow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also have similar story. Got puddled at a String Cheese Incident concert. Left the show with no coat on in the middle of winter. Basically just paced around in a back alley rambling and yelling "I demand theater." Took off my pants then tried to fight my friend when he tried to make me get dressed. I got hypothermia but didn't know it. Didn't even recognize that I was cold. I thought the pain I was experiencing was the result of a battle happening in my head between two different philosophies. The things I remember from the night are what I was hallucinating, not what was actually happening. A cop came to check me out and I started shoving him apparently. They were about to taze me, but my friend yelled I had hypothermia and they called an ambulance instead. Luckily I cooperated with getting in the ambulance or else I probably would've been arrested. Cost over $20,000 for the hospital to strap me to a bed until it wore off.
donktastic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:19:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you even use the phone? We tried to order a pizza after a massive dose and it was near impossible to even work the phone.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had varying experiences. Sometimes the phone is a garbled mess, other times it's not so bad. Dialing isn't difficult if you don't try to look at the numbers as you hit them. "911" is an easy enough pattern to remember.
CraigingtonTheCrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried watching Black mirror. I couldn't even hardly see the TV while the walls were breathing and bending like mad. Then the patterns hit and using my phone was not something that would have possible lol. Gf wanted me to keep her updated via text as I tripped and I greatly apologize for the scrambled messages she must have got. How do I know if I typed the right word when the letters are spinning and have gone all RBG colors on me!?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:24:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol there's very, very little risk of anything like that provided you don't take as much as I did. A "normal" 100-180ug dose is a very relaxing experience. I don't see why taking LSD as an adult would suddenly be terrifying unless you were going to take a really heavy dose, which I wouldn't suggest anyway. That story was from my college days, but I've tripped at least three or four times since college, at a reasonable dosage.
Life can get in the way, but it's plenty easy to have a fun Friday night and use the next two days to "recover," unless you have children of course.
stanfan114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the movie "Good Time". A drug dealer has a Sprite bottle filled with LSD, they knock out a security guard and make him drink half the bottle so he could not tell the cops about them. Good movie.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just looked that up. It looks great! 2017 too? How did I not hear of this? Good looks on that recommendation.
LolsEUW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like acid can be pretty dangerous if you can't tell if you're dreaming or not, is it normally the case that you do weird shit because you aren't aware that you are awake?
LounginLizard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought tripping felt really similar to being in a dream, but never to the point I thought I was in one. I think what happened with op is that he drank whiskey causing him to black out. I could see thinking I was in a dream if I suddenly woke up in that state with no memory.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never once thought I was dreaming or had any sort of blackout. That's not really how it works. I won't speak to other's experiences, but I'd say that's just a poor way of saying they were really out of it. I won't take a stance for or against it, as I think people should do their own research and understand how substances affect them.
Fingfangfoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why they had you use a bucket.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a college town hospital, in the middle of our biggest "party week" of the year. For one, I'm not sure they knew quite what to do with a guy asking "how long do I have to live?" as they transported me in an ambulance with "IV's" in my arm that weren't actually hooked up to anything and instead were literally tubes taped to my arms to "feed me fluids." Second, they had more important shit to do than escort a guy tripping nuts to the bathroom.
farmtownsuit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine the medical professionals stifling laughter at this point assuming they were aware that all was happening was you tripping balls.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was early afternoon at this point. There was an older lady who was quite amused, and a younger guy who was less than thrilled by my demeanor. I remember asking the attending doctor at the hospital why I couldnโt just go home (I was plenty calmed down at this point- the alprazolam they gave me had something to do with that), and she said I was asked how much I took on the ambulance, looked dude dead in the eyes and said โIโm not sure counting is in my best interest, sir.โ
farmtownsuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a hospital for a panic attack after weed once. By the time I was good to go and mostly sobered up I stupidly asked the doctor if I was going to have to worry about getting in trouble with the police now for the weed and he got a little flustered explaining "of fucking course not. Doctor patient confidentiality exists so you aren't afraid to tell me that". I knew that, but I was apparently still out of it enough when I asked that it was a legitimate concern in my mind.
Whambough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel truly lucky for not ending up in jail or the ER after taking roughly 15 - 20 hits of raw crystal LSD. Thank God for Xanax.
Edit: added a space
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking irresponsible.
FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:12:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Relax, and don't be such a baby. You learn best from past mistakes if you're able to look upon them critically, yet openly. Humor is a great gateway to discovery.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I respect that insight
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:59:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this could only have happened to a white kid at a private liberal arts college. Especially the last part about the "wilderness rehab facility".
Sean951 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That part was kindly his parents, judge wouldn't have cared what kind of rehab, just that he was going to get help so no reason to see jail time.
mference123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I find it funny that he thinks of himself as a man while acting like a 13 yo.
MountainDewFountain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only meant that in the context that I was a 6'2" 160lb human.
Valdrax ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:05:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever happened to the person whose car you stole? Did you have to pay it back, or did some sort of insurance policy take care of it?
MountainDewFountain ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:21:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to pay every cent back as part of my probation payment. And I'm pretty sure he also filed a restraining order against me.
CraigingtonTheCrate ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to check my policy now. Not sure if man on acid crashing car is covered... Better get that added to my plan
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cent. why the restraining order?
bananas_and_hoes ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is a wilderness rehab facility and what was it like?
juicybot ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:28:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like regular rehab but it's out in the middle of nowhere and involves a lot of hiking, tent building, fire making, etc. on top of the therapy.
I got sent to one when I was 17. Woke up to two Utah state troopers in my bedroom who promptly escorted me to Utah. Spent 8 weeks there. Lots of people referred to it as "wilderness prison" because we were kept on such a short leash (taking away our shoes at night, for example). About half the kids in my group were sent there by court order. Still managed to have some fun though. Overall probably the most surreal experience of my life and I'm still not sure if I got any value from it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness_therapy
Apparently there was a UK reality show called "Brat Camp", season 3 takes place at the wilderness program I went to. I watched a few clips, seems accurate to my experience.
CraigingtonTheCrate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was sent to one as at 14. Triangle cross ranch (formerly Mount Carmel youth ranch). The whole place was fucked. Staff was aggressive physically to the kids, when we were out of food at the end of the week because they didn't buy enough, they just said we better figure something out because it was still 2-3 days until they went into town again. So mixing flour and water to make tortillas or drinking a saved soda was a "meal". Someone made a post awhile back about how fucked it was and I commented on it, you can find it in my history. It was horid but it did teach me to grow up faster. Taught me to use my own devices and skills to the best of my ability, and how to make it through tough times while staying in control of my own head
freedom_fred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You go into nature. Essentially living like its the 1800's again. No electric, no running water (some might have it, idk just speaking from what my cousin who was a councilor for at risk youth (and whose parents were wealthy enough to pay the 10k a week fees)). You do a lot of camping and self reliance activities away from the distractions and potential triggers of urban/suburban/modern life.
Think camping summer camp - but with addiction awareness thrown in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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freedom_fred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The kids/teens/young adults would be there for a week to a month depending on the court orders. 10-40k to keep little Billy out of jail and off his record is well worth it for some families.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
guessing it was not a very diverse crowd.
PsycheSoldier ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you get suspended?
MountainDewFountain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:12:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big time, but they took me back eventually.
PsycheSoldier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that, had my own tripping experience like that.
duelingdelbene ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:04:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm terrified of doing those types of drugs and skeptical of anyone saying they're "basically harmless"
I've done enough weird shit when super drunk to know I should not get super drunk. But I can control that. I have no idea what the hell I'd do on LSD.
alch334 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody reacts to LSD like this. The bad part is drinking a shit load of whiskey while tripping. I'd never drink while tripping.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:58:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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duelingdelbene ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't know what effect a small dose will have on me. I've seen people freak out from taking one hit of weed. Drugs affect people differently. It's scary to try anything for the first time.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
mushrooms are easier to control your dose. you can start with .15g to get a very giggly experience. wait at least 2 weeks between doses or your numbers will get confounded by tolerance. start small and dial in what you like.
im not saying mushrooms == LSD, either. but they are both psychedelics, which is what I assume you meant by 'these kinds of drugs'.
Sean951 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your do want to try it, then I advise getting a baby sitter. I'm a fan of watching Fantasia or similar. My friend really liked Across the Universe.
SillyGirrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't go wrong with Accross the Universe.
chrico031 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since anyone with experience will tell you alcohol is one of the worst choices of substances to mix with it.
ILikeLenexa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Son, have you rehabilitated yourself?
MountainDewFountain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:44:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean... I mean... I mean that just.. I'm Sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench!
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
with the father rapers!
chbay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was very irresponsible of you.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:56:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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KrtauschBoss ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:07:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hint: he's probably white
blade55555 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:22:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Contrary to what the media says, police shootings even in cases like these are rare, even if you aren't white. Now if he brandished a gun, he wouldn't be here to talk about it.
ChubbyRa1n ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was white.
Ownza ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After jail he was black though, right?
SpiralingViolence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
something something white
TerrorDino ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Must've been white.
chidoriwarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Def white.
whyamisoblue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much was your bail?
MountainDewFountain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quarter Million.
whyamisoblue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, how did your parents get that much money liquidated? A loan or something?
MountainDewFountain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A bailbondsman was more then happy to help.
Mr-Blah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What year was this?
I can't picture it. The LSD, the rehab the small jail time to rampage ratio... 70s?
MountainDewFountain ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good ol' 2010. I was a year into college, and was a really stellar kid in high school with a bright booming future ahead who just got into the wrong crowd. At least that was the narrative...
Mr-Blah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2-3 are key clearly.
Bitfinessed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All there are
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:08:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh, you're white.
jethroboom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fraternity was a bit of a hint as well.
Blowfeld_623 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn man you stole and wrecked someone's car? Kind of a good thing they locked you up for a bit
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:16:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MountainDewFountain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*Was a rich white boy. My parent's basically told me after that all my college fees went to the lawyer and we wish you the best of luck. So now I'm hanging in the middle class drowning in student debt like the rest of you saps.
oomchu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar happened to a friend I had 20 years ago. Except he was so fucked up when they tried to book him, the jailers told the cops they needed to take him to a hospital. So he woke up with an IV stuck in his arm.
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
probably the best way to wake up from an LSD and whiskey bender. minus the consequences otherwise, of course.
rchamp0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My brother actually teaches wildernesses therapy, where did you go if you don't mind me asking?
MountainDewFountain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Four Circles
Injustice52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wilderness rehab! Good times...
Edit: Bow-drilling rocks
MountainDewFountain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Takes me back!
Injustice52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What state was yours in?
Was it winter/summer?
MountainDewFountain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
North Carolina mountains, dead middle of winter, wbu?
Injustice52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Southern Idaho, middle of summer.
My experience must have been a lot easier than yours lol. Iโm guessing you now drilled, set up traps, hiked, set up tents, stuff like that? Except probably in harsher conditions.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
guess you got that thrilling morning
86rpt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dying at the wilderness rehab lmao
MustacheEmperor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing/hoping you already recognize how lucky you are for many reasons. But if not, I suggest looking at some of the stories in /r/drugs about how differently your story would have ended for many people.
UnshadedEurasia001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I have my hopes up of drugs being decriminalized, I read a story like this and sigh heavily.
sooner2016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a bratty ass rich kid
1columbia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever get to go back to university?
MountainDewFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually, yes. I finished my engineering degree several years after.
juicybot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was your wilderness program in Samoa? I only ask because I got sent to a program (Aspen Achievement Academy) when I was 17 and was always told that anyone 18+ had to go to Samoa because you're a minor there until 21. Never found out if that was true or not.
MountainDewFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I went to Four Circles in western North Carolina.
superflippy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which was worse, jail or the wilderness camp?
koonzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been to a wilderness rehab facility. Good memories, Shit time.
d______b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember hearing a story like this about a friend of a friend, Cornell?
Tounyoubyo-Kareshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to school in Vermont? This sounds eerily like what happened to my best friend lol
Edit - nvm. I stalked you and you have an engineering degree.
MarconisTheMeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man. Go to a bar. Grab a microphone. Tell your story. Repeat 10000x with iterations and you'll be a legend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly Wilderness Rehab is way worse than a week in jail
JoshWidner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did this happen in Wisconsin?
soundsfromoutside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being in jail while tripping would suck beyond belief
Beg4death12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Utah?
R0MANKUSH69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think i know you lol
MountainDewFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been waiting for someone to identify me. Without doxxing me, take a guess.
R0MANKUSH69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
do you have a friend named Trenton?
MountainDewFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not ringing a bell. I'm from NC if that matters.
R0MANKUSH69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
then i am wrong, i know a guy who did something very similar to your situation who uses the mountaindew name for all of his online names
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MOUNTAIN HOMES YOUTH RANCH AND ASHLEY VALLEY???
2wheelsrollin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, rehab after just one trip.
LastStar007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just glad you didn't kill anyone else.
Ragnrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the tying to operate a vehicle that sounds like an awesome fucking night
Meandmybuddyduncan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao did you go to the Montana one?? I heard its actually really fun. LaHacienda class of '08!
everyones-a-robot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... do I know you? Are you from Indiana?
velocitygfx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anneewakee?
awkwardmantis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad it didnt turn out completely awful for you. Just recently there was a kid in my hometown who, on a lot of LSD, tripped out and shot his roommates, killing at least one of them. (I think one was in critical condition, but I never heard how that ended up.) I wonder if he felt the same way. I tripped a few times, and felt weird coming down not being able to differentiate what was hallucinated, and what wasnt.
Hotdogweinerwater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did I read it correctly that you were apprehended in the beer lounge of the canadian national curling championships? Ie a Labatt Briar or whatever the sponsor was at the time. I feel bad for you sir, but I imagine it was an odd sight.
tomNJUSA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Late 80's small university in central PA?
dakotae3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahah, my friend took 3 tabs and he said he felt like he was dreaming too. When I told him he was running into the walls and screaming noises like a Down syndrome, uncrontlled of his actions, he said thatโs exactly like he dream he had
PMmeYOURrear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"he tried a drug once? Probably needs rehab."
ubuntufig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear I've heard this story before
MountainDewFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here perhaps? I've posted it before in similar threads. I mean, I have plenty of other crazy stories to tell but this one is clearly a crowd favorite, and by far the most defining moment of my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lolb42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
roll tide
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Hmm, this would be even better on some acid..."
CMDanaher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it ben't.
testurshit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:00:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao I remember "Letting Go" during an acid trip but I was outside when it happened so someone called an ambulance for me and I woke up in the ER.
The dream like state is really fucky.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to Miami University in Oxford?
awkook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From then on, do you ever have moments in your life that you feel like you are in a dream state, or that life isnt actually real? And it sucks because you cant tell whats real and what isnt?
COLT22ISH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail on acid too man! Jesus its a terrible feeling. Pretty sure i got like mild ptsd from that shit. Whenever i hear sirens now i kinda wig out for a sec and have to calm myself down.
Steampunkery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
apleasantpeninsula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
heisenberg747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, they took me to the hospital instead. They gave me some kind of anti-psychotic drug to counter the lsd, which had the side effect of wiping my memory. I woke up in a hospital bed with no memory of how I got there.
Plettuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a good minute wondering why you were covered in acid rain. I need more sleep.
PM_ME_YOUR_MOONROCKS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be an interesting trip. MDMA while going to jail would be interesting too.
justinlarson ยท 630 points ยท Posted at 18:55:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After leaving the 4 week intake prison, I found myself (following a 10 hour bus ride, shackled in a school bus without windows) in a maximum security prison with a towel, two pairs of boxers, two pairs of jeans, 2 shirts, a toothbrush, and a bar of soap.
I hadn't showered in 2 days, and not smelling like shit is important in prison, so I made my way to the herd shower and got in.
Now, I wasn't scared, necessarily, but I also wasn't super enthusiastic to be showering with a bunch of dudes, of course. I turned on my spigot and starting soaping up, and dropped my precious bar of soap on to the ground.
The shower was silent as I turned around and stared at my soap slipping away on the floor. All eyes were on me. I had to choose quickly, so I did what came naturally - I starting laughing outloud. I just roared with laughter. After a few seconds, everyone in the shower started laughing with me. In that moment, we all shared in the absurdity of our situation and enjoyed a good prison-shower-rape-joke-laugh.
It also really helped quell my biggest fear about prison, actually, which was that I was going to be raped. I was a youngish white man who didn't know anyone and wasn't affiliated with anything, and I was going in alone. That day gave me a lot of confidence and strength.
My first thoughts were about being raped. After that day, my biggest fear became that I'd relapse while inside.
yoyo2598 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 21:21:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well did you end up picking up the soap?
justinlarson ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 21:21:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sure did.
Haremjutsu ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:02:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really fucking happy I read this. Like, ecstatic. For YEARS, I've said to my friends, "You know what? If somebody dropped the soap, I bet everybody would laugh, because "har har he dropped the soap" and nothing would come of it." But no, they said that I was stupid, and that prison rape is very common, which I highly doubt. I know it happens, but it can't be very common. Thank you, stranger.
Soraka_Is_My_Saviour ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:05:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, prison rape isn't super uncommon either. Most people who are raped are men. That is largely due to prison rape.
Thesaurii ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:35:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In prison, if you want to have sex, there are a lot of men who are available.
If you really want to rape someone, you have to find a place with no cameras, which won't have guards, and you need to have very powerful connections to serve as bodyguards, and your target has to have no connections so they won't have friends nearby.
If you're the type who really wants to rape someone, you're probably in max or supermax, where there are more guards, more cameras, and more scary big guys to protect their gang.
Prison rape is wildly overblown. There is a ton of prison sex, with dubious or transactional consent, but very, very little violent rape. If you think otherwise, you are getting your information from movies. I hope you would understand why thats a bad idea.
Alarmed_Ferret ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 00:36:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip, even if it gets annoying: Hold onto the soap with your fingernails. It also cleans your nails nicely, too.
Don't work if you're a worrier, though. Nails are too short.
GangGraper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:31:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"No!.......I'll get it"
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah miss me with that
thehomiesthomie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nope
some say the soap is still there, sliding around on the tile floor
pongky77 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:06:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why this made me laugh, but thank you! Must have been super awkward
Hugford_Blops ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:43:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing you didn't enjoy a prison-shower-rape joke-laugh.
TehVestibuleRefugee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They probably just thought you were insane when you started howling with laughter at the idea of getting raped, lol.
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 20:29:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:48:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This bot is one of the worst ones I've seen.
A_CGI_for_ants ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:00:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now I want to know what it said
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:58:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was something about white people not existing, they're just albinos and cause skin cancer.
Wakeem189 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:21:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's deleted now, what did it say?
jojohunter436 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too.
Dm2593 ยท 2557 points ยท Posted at 14:59:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"what the fuck did I do. "I was extremely intoxicated and woke up when it was time to get out of the back of the cop car. I think I was n shock because my heart wasnt even beating fast or anythign.
WildTaradiddle ยท 762 points ยท Posted at 17:32:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What DID you do?
Wyodaniel ยท 676 points ยท Posted at 17:49:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Compulsive masturbation
[deleted] ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that's a crime then they should be busting in to get me any second now
Thoarxius ยท 248 points ยท Posted at 18:53:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You probably bustin first though
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:59:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MrRainsford
2 hours ago
If that's a crime then they should be busting in to get me any second now
OMG THEY GOT HIM
Thoarxius ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:11:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finally our taxdollars are paying off
MimiIsBirb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't 'fraid of no ghost!
MomoBR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We hope so, blue balls would get another meaning.
uniqueguy263 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:53:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found Louis ck
SnoopDoggo420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hehe busting
roogoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy was just hangin brain, what's the big deal?
RubyRod1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fixed
Asylumsix ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:03:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you redtube and your educational videos!
Bioniclegenius ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Redtube, Youtube Red... man, those are easy to get mixed up. Oops.
Wyodaniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Jeremy? Is that you?
JJohn8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it was either that or get a blood clot
MrVernonDursley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Cops took him to the Hospital?
jarins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's another kind?
symphonicrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
brings up a good point though, with the shared cells and all... no privacy... what do people do?
Artistewarholio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a crime?
awolliamson ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is asking this but isn't it pretty safe to assume public intoxication?
JustR0ss ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:42:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could be drink-driving also
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:36 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he posted a leading statement on reddit, then didn't reply to any of the follow up questions. BASTARD!
RollyPollyGuacamole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:56 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 4 days later and I agree.
Cjb9012 ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 16:22:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or alcohol poisoning. It has a similar impact on heartrate
Hide-Outside ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 17:44:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would you mind sharing with us the reason that got you arrested?
BEEF_WIENERS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:06:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was drunk and just remembers waking up in a cop car, my guess would be driving under the influence.
The_Fad ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:45:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got arrested for suspected DUI when I was 22 and I remember it being somewhat similar. I was so nervous during the actual traffic stop that my hands were shaking so bad I dropped my wallet while trying to remove my license.
For some reason right when he asked me to step out of the car for a street test everything shut off, physically. He decided to take me in for a formal breathalyzer and during the handcuffing, ride back, paperwork and breathalyzer test I was perfectly fine. I mean my mind was basically a non-stop reel of "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" but my heart was calm and my hands were steady.
They booked me and put me in a pit with the other male offenders waiting to either be released (4-hour hold) or taken back to a proper jail cell. As soon as I sat down all that anxiety and nervousness came rushing back. Took me like 20 minutes to get my breathing fully under control and the guy sitting next to me kept asking if I was sure I wasn't having a heart attack.
I also didn't realize upon being released that, though they kept my license, they had given me a document that allowed me to operate a vehicle for however many days still. I don't remember if that was actually explained to me or not, but it's irrelevant. I'd been pulled over at about the halfway point between the jail and my house, so I walked the 3 or 4 miles (in the middle of winter at like 10 degrees or some shit) back home in entirety, even passing my car (which the officer had parked in a nearby lot). I would've called a cab or a friend but my phone died during my 4-hour hold, the cops refused to let me use theirs, and I didn't have any change to use the payphone in the lobby.
OfAaron3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:00:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, if you were totally fine, why did they keep your license?
The_Fad ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:19:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I passed all but one of the sobriety tests and blew a .07 on the street, cop decided to take me in and I blew a .081 at the jail. That .081 is what they booked me on.
Human_musics ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:29:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The test you failed was probably HGN (Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus, the โfollow my fingerโ test), which is more than enough to charge DUI, as it has a lot of science behind it which accurately predicts BAC. Sometimes with 6 out of 6 clues I donโt even need to do the other tests.
The roadside alcometer is not as accurate as an Intoxilyzer (state administered breath test). But also, the way people metabolize alcohol means that after they stop drinking their BAC continues to climb for a period before it starts going down.
People assume they can get slammed, wait an hour and have an hour โcreditโ of sobering up. This is not the case.
If you drink, have a DD or call and Uber or Lyft. No excuse these days.
The_Fad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Pretty much spot on with what every other cop I've ever told the story to has said.
Human_musics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you understand the nature of your offense and have learned from it as a person Iโm not going to hold it over your head.
Happy trails, homie.
Dont__Turn__Around ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:24:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy McNulty.
themadhatter85 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:44:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cops don't get arrested
thejaytheory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
McNutty
TexasKobeBeef ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you even post this without context.
joggingwithasoft-j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing wen through my mind...except I blacked out for 12 hours and woke up in a jail cell...was only there for detox and got let out a few hours later. Got a โminor in possessionโ though...underage drinking was fun
SillyFlyGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Waking up handcuffed in the back of a cop car is a remarkable feeling.
charmer607 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do
Richy69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what did you do?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is my worst nightmare
corpsestomp ยท 2081 points ยท Posted at 13:27:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, this is serious. I seriously fucked up. I shouldnโt be here. Iโm not a criminal. Iโm gonna have ro tell everyone I went to jail now. My mom is gonna be furious. My siblings are gonna be disappointed. I should probably pull my head out of my ass. Etc.
Edit: since people asked, the offenses were numerous.
I was caught with a friend who had coke, and some of the people who gave statements exaggerated.
I stole(borrowed) a bicycle to get out of the country, and back home.
Got pulled over and had an empty beer can(not mine) in my car. Got hit with open intox.
Finally, I threw a big rock through a picture window for literally no reason except I could.
There may have been more, but itโs been a long time and I keep my nose clean these days. Try not to think about it much.
jacoobz ยท 470 points ยท Posted at 15:31:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was the offense?
LimonKay ยท 2524 points ยท Posted at 15:35:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He stole a balloon,
on free balloon day.
hopsandhorns ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 15:41:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i hear that it was also Rusev Day
TCoD2k ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:05:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/squaredcircle is leaking lol
kevin24lg ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the USOOOO penitentiary!!
thejaytheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Becausssseeeeeee....
dane006 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ANDRE THE GIANT
thejaytheory ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rocks?
rocketman500 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:51:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rocks. THEN NOW FOREVER
NeonTye ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:26:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyday is Rusev Day!
Swift_Shot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But wait... Every day is Rusev day...
anotherthrowaway579 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Must be elated.
BDSMKitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DAY IT IS
Themattjones88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He took the fish.
Rusty1031 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:38:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis isnโt some dumb mail fraud scheme, we stole a balloon!โ
teemo93 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That made me chuckle more than I should
ILikeLenexa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He stole a loaf of bread.
Coffeypot0904 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That can have serious consequences
breemags ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You took my only food! Now I'm gonna starve.
Aesen1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a sick fuck
FF3LockeZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a death row pardon,
two minutes too late.
thejaytheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And isn't it ironic, don't you think?
rahsftw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rectangles!!!
teemo93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That made me chuckle more than I should
Maker1357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He stole candy,
from a baby.
theangryintern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear that's super easy.
thehomiesthomie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
easy to get caught too, babies snitch fast
missingsemicolon_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He stole the groundhog,
on Groundhog Day
Coffeypot0904 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A naked American man stole my balloons.
fl_boyy_collin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Slow clap
gigalord14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/madlads
jowseyboy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OMG YOU ABSOLUTE PILE OF SHIT HOW DARE YOU DO SUCH A THING OH MY GOD DO YIU REALISE HOW MUCH TROUBLE YOU'RE IN MISTER HOW DARE YOU STEAL MY FLOATING OBJECT
Tonydanzafan69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:13:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how everyone in prison is always innocent and there on a probation violation.
Nowhereman123 ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 15:47:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stomping corpses, I think
icollectcorpses ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 16:13:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ruining my side business whilst he's at it...
trainstation98 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get me in the screenshot
NeverBeenStung ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Did not take long for you to find a relevant comment opportunity I see.
donjuansputnik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blood Raider?
UncheckedException ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Public indecency.
Ianjsw ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:03:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He hit a person juggling tennis balls on a unicycle while driving an ice cream truck.
crash218579 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, haven't heard this one in ages!
seven-ate-nine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many tennis balls?
corpsestomp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edited my comment.
Gordon_Frohman_Lives ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Corpse Stomping, I imagine...
CatharticEcstasy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:07:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's just something about this that makes me laugh - I haven't been to prison (yet...hopefully never), but I can completely empathize and sympathize with this feeling of fucking up and fearing mom's fury.
It's just funny how this feeling is so universal across all categories no matter the scale of fuckuppery.
YamatoMark99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is more scary than any prison when angry.
heisenberg747 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The open container rule is the dumbest shit in the world. You're either over the limit or you're not, it's not like we don't have a way to find out.
corpsestomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Took a breathalyzer too. Didnโt matter.
heisenberg747 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Sounds like you got a DUI while completely sober. I got one for blowing 0.01% BAC 5 months before my 21st birth day.
corpsestomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, open intoxicant. I hadnโt been drinking st all. Just had an open alcohol container in the car.
charmer607 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do
corpsestomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edited my comment.
levels-to-this ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't show your edit
aRandomUserame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oof it's no wonder you went to jail;)
corpsestomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. All my own fault and deserved it.
Time_on_my_hands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, some of it seemed very literally not your fault. Other parts, yeah, that's one you.
Red_means_go ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing, he didn't do nothing. Totally innocent it was everyone else, believe him.
RubyRod1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Say whuuuuut
corpsestomp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was caught during the act of using said bicycle. I did steal it. But the intent was to return it with the vehicle I was currently without.
suicidebylifestyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Empty beer can? that's bullshit
xdrvgy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is a criminal until they fuck up. Nobody is evil nor deserves punishment until they suddenly do something they shouldn't have. Any one of you who is reading this, could go into a jail in the future. So, pay attention and don't do stupid shit.
Bass2Mouth ยท 645 points ยท Posted at 15:31:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe I'm going to miss Slayer ... again.
DemonicEntity ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:58:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toured with those dudes on the final Mayhem Fest. Very nice group of guys. Final shows coming up soon! Donโt miss them again!!
annihilating_rhythm ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:08:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those guys really are very nice. I like them.
2068180780 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:53:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Long shot but... Are you in Sworn In? That's the only band I can think of that played 2015
DemonicEntity ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:13:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was with the Victory Crew working the booth and our bands. Iโm not actually in a band! Never really spoke with those dudes or Tyler but heard good things about them.
2068180780 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's sick! I met Tyler a few years back and he was a real sweetheart haha
DemonicEntity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs always great to hear! Too many metal bands that are just full of themselves. Kerry had a few passive aggressive comments about our bands on the tour but everyone else in the Slayer camp was rad.
Got โThe Death Cardโ on vinyl. Great record.
2068180780 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was SO COOL listening to "Snake Eyes" during my freshman year- definitely my favorite album from them I think the only musician nicer than Tyler is Tom from Lorna Shore but I'm lucky to have never had any artist from the music scene be a dick to me ((perks of being a young and somewhat attractive girl?))
DemonicEntity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yoooooo I discovered Lorna Shore a few years ago and I immediately bought their EP online. Great to see those guys getting on some solid tours. Their team is doing a great job (can't say the same about us, Victory lol).
I still think I'm cool listening to Sworn In. Fak the haters (#BLEGH).
Most artists/musicians in the metal scene are just genuinely nice human beings. It's a shame to read those stories online about how some members treat their fans, especially the women. Totally heartbreaking.
Bass2Mouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I plan on hitting the one in CT!
hiltonking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Buy him tickets.
Bass2Mouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I support this.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:31:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like your priorities!
Blue_ilovereddit_72 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:56:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IF he had his priorities right, he wouldnโt have missed Slayer. That being said, DUDE STAY OUT OF JAIL THIS YEAR because if you miss them again, youโll never get another opportunity! I know Iโm fucking pumped.
Bass2Mouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got arrested at the show by cops trying to find people drinking in parking lots. They found a .5g bag of weed on me and let all the underage drinkers go ...
Blue_ilovereddit_72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least you were having fun! Haha are you going to see them for their last tour?
Bass2Mouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I plan on it! I think CT is the closest venue for me, but I plan on being there for sure! I'm just glad I got to see them before Hanneman passed. I think the years of build up made me appreciate that show more.
Blue_ilovereddit_72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve seen them a few times, I got into them when I was 19 and Iโm 23 now so nearly once a year. Iโm not missing this tour for the world. Theyโre coming to First Niagara in June, which is right by Pittsburgh so I donโt have to travel. I would if I had to, but Iโm happy I donโt haha
JackWhitesGhost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This post speaks to me the most. I hope you got to see them eventually. They put on a hell of a show.
Bass2Mouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I finally did, on my 3rd attempt. Pit and all!
theamazingroberto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're gonna be here in Orlando in June and I am going to be there even if I have to chew my own feet off.
RedvinesNotTwizzlers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine was a completely different genre but I kept thinking, "I am going to miss the last Lilith Fair, fuck!"
Dyanuh143 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah \m/
JohnLocke815 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a dream recently that I went to jail. and more than anything I was upset that I was going to miss Infinity War. not that i ducked up my life or that i wouldn't see my wife, but that I'd miss the new Avengers flick.
FranceisBakin ยท 1800 points ยท Posted at 15:16:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That I had irreversibly fucked up my life and if I was smart I should probably take the first chance I can to kill myself and be done with it rather than continue living my life as a disappointment to myself and everyone I love.
new_to_here ยท 1610 points ยท Posted at 15:42:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My husband was up for 40 years for a king pin drug charge. He said if he had gotten that time he would have probably killed himself, and was thinking of ways to do it. He ended up paying his lawyer a huge sum of money and got 10 months in county jail, got out, got his shit together and now he has a great job, a great wife (obviously) and owns his own home. He always says he never thought he would have any of this and Iโm really proud of him.
Edit: Thank you all for all the sincere questions, and fuck everyone who said rude shit. All of this happened way before I met my husband and there is no more money and he is a normal guy working a regular job some eight years later. Just trying to shed light on something Iโm familiar with.
[deleted] ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 15:53:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow change really IS possible. It takes a lot from the individual though. They have to wanna change
1P221 ยท 645 points ยท Posted at 16:22:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Takes a lot ... of money.
BrunoPassMan ยท 348 points ยท Posted at 16:36:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
drug king pin money
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:48:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a lot of time, too. A whole lotta precious time...
DownvoteTheHardTruth ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:31:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
drug king pin time
radarthreat ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it riiiight.
maxofJupiter1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got my mind set on you
Drezlari ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:54:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And patience x5
RDay ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:12:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But it's gonna take money
A whole lot of spending money
It's gonna take plenty of money
To do it right child
ThaJarseff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Geicosellscrap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did he pay the judge or what?
BrunoPassMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better lawyers Iโm guessing
Geicosellscrap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's still a scam. With good evidence expensive lawyers shouldn't matter that much.
angelbelle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he meant paying the other lawyer, the prosecutor
BrunoPassMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why rich people go to jail for just as long as poor people yeah?
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:51:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. I know our government was written by lawyers, but it's intrinsically flawed. The idea of a person's fate resting on hiring a better debater than the other side is kinda fucked up. Lawyers should still exist, but they should work in randomly shuffled panels of 5 for any given case. their job is to ask the questions and push the trial along. A judge still listens and prevails. the point is that the 5 lawyers are a neutral party that is well versed in the law and interacts with both sides in front of the ruling party.
ugh, screaming into the void 6 comments deep again. why do I do this.
1P221 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:06:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you buddy. Scream on... like a fart in a spacesuit
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:09:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in space, nobody can hear you fart. but seriously, can you imagine how bad it is when someone rips in the space station? my girlfriend farted in a tent once and it was fucking awful. it got me thinking about those poor people in a tin can.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those fuckers knew what they were signing up for.
Geicosellscrap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rich and powerful want if flawed. It's their way out. If the government sues a bank the attorneys protect the bank. It's broken by design. The people in change want it broke.
shirtlessin1stclass ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:37:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, no offense to the OP, but most people don't have six figures of ill gotten cash lying around to pay some Johnny Cochran or Robert Kardashian to help spring them out.
beyerch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like a storage locker w/ pallets of money, perhaps?
TVK777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're goddamn right
Staypuft1289 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All that Internet money!
1P221 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This comment has earned me over 300 intermoneys! You can too for the low low effort of tagging on to a top level comment chain!
sophisticanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Takes a lack of.... melanin.
new_to_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. He spent most of it to get out of that mess, and started all over when he got out.
jeegte12 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm sure you're so proud of his money.
new_to_here ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what that means....but I am proud of him.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic. Just sharing what he went through, if he was a degenerate drug dealer he probably wouldnโt be where he is today. Fuck you.
Rev_Up_Those_Reposts ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:22:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this guy actually got the chance to change, thanks to his lawyer. Not everybody gets that chance.
stickmanDave ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:24:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he was really running a drug organization, then maybe not much change was required. Just a change of product. The administrative, organizational, and managerial skills learned in one business are transferable to another.
new_to_here ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:52:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. Heโs said if he knew he could make this much money legally he never would have sold drugs to begin with.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep!
My mom cant figure out why my brother is such a fuck up after multiple times in prison. "Why cant he just learn?" "because he doesn't fucking want to."
CaptCaCa ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:36:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. I used a court appointed lawyer when i first went in and dude fucked me. Family coughed up some doe and hired a good lawyer was out in three months on a 10 year charge.
new_to_here ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His lawyer told him for (I think) $15,000 more he wouldnโt have to go to jail at all. He chose the time.
Syriph2823 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:20:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but its just fucked up you can pay to not go to jail or whatever.
_CryptoCat_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:24:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh corruption!
tdames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same shit happened to my cousin apparently. Got popped for a drug charge, lawyer told him he needed 15k to grease the wheels to keep him out of jail.
Well his family couldn't afford it and the extended family wouldn't help out so he went to jail. He's doing much better now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pays enough to keep you out of prison for the rest of your life, not much more though.
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 15:56:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah.
American justice in action.
J-MAMA ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All it takes is money.
wENTtobuyweed ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:23:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And a little bit of ratting...
bestcwd2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:18:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the point you're trying to make. but selling drugs doesn't justify spending what basically amounts to the rest of your adult life behind bars, and I'm not going to start a rant about the drug war lmao. I don't know anything about this guy's case, but unless he committed a violent felony along the way, 10 months in county jail seems appropriate to me
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a drug user I'm never going to agree with the drug war.
Doesn't mean I have to agree with the criminals exploiting users.
Especially king pins.
You don't become a king pin by keeping your head down and flying right.
bestcwd2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt he was actually a "king pin". you can easily get 40 years for being just a mid-level dealer if you're selling anything hard (i'm just assuming given the lengthy sentence). OP was probably exaggerating. also "exploiting" is subjective. dealers often fall into it because of their own addictions. you never know. you could say the same thing about tobacco or alcohol companies.
new_to_here ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a charge. He was selling hard drugs and was not addicted to them, but treated it very much like a business. He is a salesperson with a good mind for business and has translated that into a great career.
Iโm not from this area, but everyone knows my husband and as Iโve been told, if you brought drugs (in this particular area) in (particular time) then they came from (husband). Heโs not proud of it, but thatโs how he made his living until he got caught.
_CryptoCat_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:23:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you lost someone to heroin you might think otherwise. Having said that I personally think drugs should be a health issue rather than criminal.
bestcwd2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:33:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i used to be a heroin addict myself, so id like to think i know what I'm talking about :)
anotherMrLizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lost a friend to heroin. It was his choice to get into it, at the end of the day.
new_to_here ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No violent felony. Selling drugs should not put you down for 40 years. In this good olโ boy system we have here, money talks. A lot of the people he grew up with didnโt have it and got serious time. The whole system is fucked.
Yeahnahyeah ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're selling crack to kids. Reddit loves a Robin Hood story.
Edit: spelling, Sorry :(
new_to_here ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seeking what to who?
Thesaurii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Selling some drugs isn't a big deal, but if you're looking at a 40 year sentence and its described as "king pin", you're hurting people. A lot of people. If you oversee the drug trade, you are endorsing your guys beating up other guys, you are purchasing your supplies from dangerous and violent men and in essence funding them, and you are contributing to overdoses, theft, and other minor crimes from your customers.
Lets not pretend its just not a big deal to sell heroin, or worse, pretend its not a big deal to sell heroin to guys who sell heroin. What you are doing is a violent crime against a community, no matter how you want to rationalize it.
bestcwd2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, I never looked at it that way
kuavi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does one pay the lawyer to serve less than 1 year out of a 40 year sentence?
I'd understand if he agreed to be an informant but I don't see how money would be involved there.
anotherMrLizard ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:42:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Takes time to build a decent case. That's what you're really paying for: the Lawyer's time.
InconspicuousToast ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:47:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, what you're paying for is systemic corruption of the justice system. All lawyers work for free, and if you have to pay a lot of money for a serious criminal defense well that's just your attorney being an evil person and taking advantage of his easy job. Anyone can be an attorney nowadays after all. /s
anotherMrLizard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:51:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I mean it is kind of fucked up, because it effectively means the more money you have the more favourable class of "justice" you get.
InconspicuousToast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're paying for an attorney to literally insert his face into as much previous case law as as he can in order to find ANYTHING to get you off.
Most attorneys are private practice. They work independent to the system itself. If you want a criminal defense to ensure you get a fair trial, that's one thing, but expecting a lawyer to break has back for you in order to get you off, that's asking for so much more entirely. It goes beyond what's usually asked in the job description. That's why it's obviously going to be much more expensive.
Rather than just accounting for the facts and judicial procedure, your attorney is trying to find a loophole to invalidate the charges in your case. That's a colossal undertaking, and when you're working as a private contractor, you're not going to shell out that time of yours as cheaply as usual services because it's just impractical.
gwlemaster ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even if he finds the loophole (it is amazing that we consider the constitution a loop hole) he still has to get the trial judge to agree at suppression. In some places the persecutors threatened to pull plea agreements if he files the suppression. If he doesn't win the suppression he then has to get the judge to certify the interlocutory appeal or face trial with the evidence coming in. The biggest sham is sex crimes. They charge so that the accused is facing his life in jail and on "the list" Evidence tainted by perception, word against word, but just enough the court of appeals will say the evidence is sufficient. Then the prosecutor slides you a deal. Out in a couple, low level felony, 10 years on the list. Even though innocent, people take that option and say guilty. Sex crimes are the lowest to reoffend. Justice?
bsbbtnh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Common law. You might think that when you're charged, that the laws your government passed will determine what happens to you (sentence, guilt, etc). But that is largely untrue. Common law is basically precedents set by judges deciding how to apply that law, how to apply sentences, etc.
So when you hire a good lawyer, and pay good money, they will spend lots of time looking at random cases that have been decided since your country came into existance. They'll find the ones where a judge was very favorable to the defendant, and where some of the facts mirror what you're up against. They'll use all these cases to strip away evidence from the prosecutor's case, to get things dismissed, and to help whittle down your sentence if convicted.
But for a lawyer to go and find all these past cases (most likely their assistant), it takes time, and time means money.
In things like Supreme Court cases (in the US), lawyers will even go back to letters the founding fathers have written, to show what their intent was when writing parts of the constitution and other laws.
kuavi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. From the way the other post was written, it just seemed like the guy was given the option to get out of jail (mostly) if he gave him a bunch of money.
new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Money is always involved. He was not an informant, he just had enough money. His lawyer told him if he paid an additional (large) sum, he wouldnโt have to jail at all, but he chose the time.
kuavi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
where was that money going? Bribe or some legal loophole?
penguinseed ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:22:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can try hard for $50k. I can really try hard for $100k. Let me know how hard I should work for you.
new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Legal loophole is exactly where it went.
tdames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be proud of this.
new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt really care, happened well before my time. Iโm obviously not proud. Neither is he.
_CryptoCat_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
sirzvrhnjem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:31:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So he can pay the judge
gwlemaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:57:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was once a case in Richmond, IN where a certain defender and a certain prosecutor had a deal going with money under the table. I am sure it happens elswhere.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:03:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you could be a great husband for all we know.
HariBadr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He told on people, for sure.
new_to_here ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm pretty sure he didnโt, I hope he didnโt. I feel like he could have gotten a better price, for sure, if he did. His lawyer got him that sentence for that money by finding a loophole (I believe having to do with the search). He got a team of lawyers and law students to figure it out. But, who knows. Iโm glad heโs not in prison (I met him ~7 years after this all went down), Iโm happy he got his shit together. Itโs not something I like to talk about a lot.
HariBadr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:54:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No loophole is giving you 10 months out of 40 years. I know people who've spent a lot of money for similar charges, now doing 30+ years.
I hope that I'm somehow wrong but can't blame me for being skeptical.
StiffWood ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:15:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm leaning towards cooperation as well.
tdames ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably got off on a technicality that made it impossible for all the charges to stick. He was left with some minor charges that could be proved. Happens all the time.
HariBadr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but I figured that'd be mentioned. Not enough detail.
new_to_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a loophole and it took a lot of effort to find it. Basically a technicality and had minor charges, with a 10 month sentence. Does happen a lot, thank you :)
gwlemaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Public defender work these deals all the time. And so do lawyers charging 30k for the same case.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, I see what you did there.
teatimewithtater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing, you are a great wife. Jail is not meant to be a punishment, but to protect others and (theoretically) allow you time to change. It sounds like he has changed. Good on both of you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious, was there a plea deal?
new_to_here ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. He didnโt go to trial. I donโt know if any of that money went to the prosecutor or not.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If this is the U.S. (I'm guessing it was), no. At least I hope not. But by paying for a good lawyer (as I assume your husband did) who knows how to negotiate with prosecutors, you can get a great deal. I'm glad that your family did! Thank you for your answer.
new_to_here ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:20:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre welcome! It was in the US and he paid a good lawyer and got a reduced sentence. He did end up with felonies and has since applied for, and gotten his rights back.
penguinseed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did he have to give up his supplier?
DrHawtsauce ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
King pin? Now this sounds like an interesting man.
new_to_here ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs really kind of an average guy. When the prosecutor saw him, the guy that sold all the drugs, he was like, โseriously? This guy?โ. He grew up pretty poor and figured out at a very young age he could make a lot of money selling drugs to support his grateful dead tour habit and he gradually got more into it but had too much conscience to keep all the money. It was a pretty depressing time for him, even though he was making hundreds of thousands of dollars, he was lonely. Iโm glad he made it out.
visawrites ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
such corruption, much wow
Zenblend ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So proud of your dear doting drug kingpin. How sweet
new_to_here ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Read this earlier, tried to figure it out, still canโt. Fuck you. He is now a dear and doting normal husband with a normal job. How sweet of you to comment. I was just trying to shed light on a comment.
Zenblend ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 04:37:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Forgive me if reading "my criminal husband used his ill-gotten gains to avoid punishment" didn't fill me to the rafters with inspiration.
Fuck you and your scumbag husband.
new_to_here ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:56:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? Fuck you and whoever youโre with. Heโs not a criminal anymore, he learned from his mistakes and became a better person for it. Obviously second chances are not part of your reality. I donโt give a fuck if what I said didnโt fill you to anywhere with anything.
Zenblend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how pissy you get when people say "fuck you" right back.
Your husband is the same as he was before; he just decided that he used up all of his chances and plays it straight now. All the same old thoughts are still there.
Fuck you.
new_to_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, get off it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:19:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zenblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Be happy that someone used illegal money to exploit the legal system and avoid 97.5% of his sentence"
Why?
indirectshading ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt say that part of his journey was right. Unfortunately, thatโs just how the legal system works. I said be happy that someone was able to turn his life around and now is a normal citizen instead of some huge drug dealer. People make mistakes, but they also make up for them.
Conquerz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
40 years? Jesus I better cut down on dat weed
new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt worry, it wasnโt weed.
suicidebylifestyle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dollars to donuts, most of that huge sum of money went to the judge.
Suhn-Sol-Jashin ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:30:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the gold digger.
new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really??? He didnโt get to keep any of that money, it was all paid towards keeping out of prison about seven years before I met him. So...
I_dont_shave_pubes ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:20:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any tips for being a drug king pin? Considering you're his wife and all, I'm sure you know how he operated.
new_to_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure donโt. I met him about seven years after everything went down. We donโt talk about it that much.
PuddleCrank ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 15:27:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, this is real. Gonna get disappointed with myself after I start hw again...
berensflame ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:35:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can do it! I always get nervous about homework, but if I keep at it long enough I get through it. And don't be afraid to ask for help - the best students usually do.
PuddleCrank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Awe thanks.
HiMyNameIs_REDACTED_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:28:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I sit on the edge most of the time. I manage well enough, but going to prison would result in me very quickly checking out via Razorblade Express.
kalel1980 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We still talkin jail here or everyday life?
christo334 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well? Did you?
arnorath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this most days and I've never even been to prison
NoTelefragPlz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kept you in the game after that shit?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:36:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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iloveweedbro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:55:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
rip op
Coreonite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see you made it through man. Prison/ jail is tough and it making it through can be difficult. I'm hoping you have had better times since then
FranceisBakin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have, some tough times for a while but I made it. Thanks.
FatMan832 ยท 1075 points ยท Posted at 16:33:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested at 5pm, questioning, booking, transfer, etc. I am not given a bunk assignment until 3AM. I am 6'3 and 330lbs, built but fat. More of an out of shape wrestler (wrassler). When I was assigned, I listed all of my medical problems (diabetic, high BP, long list).
The buzzer goes off, guard opens door and then slams it shut. The sound, the fucking sound, the atmosphere, shit. The first words I hear, in a deep southern voice is, "Boy, you gots a pretty mouth. Come sleep near daddy." I stopped. Frozen. The loud speaker comes on and the guard yells, "Get to your bunk now!" I go in the 30 man two tier tank and straight to my bunk. Never slept. Thinking how to protect myself. Fight, fight to the death. Let them know that you'll bight and fight dirty.
Never closed my eyes. Buzzer goes off, "The day room is open." I see the person who yelled out at me. A 70 year old man in a wheel chair, bald and barley alive. I see other old men who can hardly walk. I was in the hospital ward, infirmary, sick tank, etc.
The old man couldn't stop laughing. "You should have seen your face boy!"
They did that to every person that came in at night. Freaked them out. Turns out they were the coolest bunch of people I've ever been with. They gave me the rules of the tank, no fighting, no stealing, no fucking, etc.
Second time? Wasn't as nice. I was thrown into a zoo. Spit at 20 times on my way to the bunk assignment, when one hit me directly in the mouth, I went berserk and fought. Got my ass kicked nicely. Never got spat at again.
lahimatoa ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 19:36:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Primal fear, right there.
dkf295 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:59:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what if I really do have a pretty mouth?
lahimatoa ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:30:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you feel proud.
Aegi ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 22:43:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And now we know how women can feel when getting catcalled...
duckeater917 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:00:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So accurate. I mean not as scary sometimes... but sometimes it really is. And it's every day, no matter where you go.
However, yesterday my car started making a funny noise underneath it, like something was loose and dragging. I was in a parking lot and everyone was looking at me. After about 20 seconds this man, prob in his 30's, waves me down and says he can see something dragging underneath my car. He says let me look at it. I pull into the first parking spot and he does a temp fix for whatever was dragging. I was so grateful. He was pretty much gone before I could say thank you. It really made my day. Some people are really awesome.
Sorry kinda random story but it really warmed my heart. :) But STILL, some guys have no shame.
Mokitty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've been told "you're lucky I can't rape you" before and then the guy was incredulous that I was offended, he insisted it was a compliment and that he didnt intend to make me uncomfortable because, and I quote, "you're young enough to be my daughter!" YEAH. Some people are really that awful. Women get rape jokes all the time, in public places, and men will insist it's funny and harmless... But when the joke is about them, and their body being violated, suddenly it's scary and not funny.
duckeater917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually scary on a higher level. But when you're walking on the street and some guy starts walking next to you saying Damnnn girl, you fine, you wanna go to my crib and hang out? I mean what is the percentage of girls that actually say yes to that lol. It's scarier in the dark tho, when a guy is less vocal and just creeps on you. Or follows you in his car. I could go on... But I love your post and it brings up a great point.
sperglord_manchild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:50:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I work on cars as a hobby, so I stop to help people a lot. Man, woman, group, whomever.
Guys are almost always chill like "naw I got this" or something and women are usually pretty standoffish until they realize I'm actually trying to help. I never push it though. I'm like "Do you need help?" "No." "Okay then, good luck"
I drove a couple girls to the next gas station 7 or 8 miles down the freeway a few years ago and when they got out, one dropped her can of mace accidentally that she'd been holding in her hand the whole time. She was all embarrassed.
That never crossed my mind that she could've maced me though.
mani123lol ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you're doing them a favor and she has the guts to try and mace you. I can see what the situation presents, but why would you get in someone else's car if you're going to fear him/her anyways.
Aegi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same reason people wear seatbelts, not b/c they are planning on a crash, but just in case.
Bystronicman08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:06 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read his comment? Where in his comment does it say that she tried to mace him? It only says that she dropped it. We can infer that she was holding it in her hand just in case anything happened. Being a girl in a car with a strange male can be a very scary thing. She was just protecting herself just in case, I wouldn't blame her at all.
mani123lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:20 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In case of what?? She got into a strangers car. If you're willing to get into a strangers car, you should have no intention of harming the person helping you.
Bystronicman08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:20 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In case he tries to abduct her. Sure, his intentions may appear pure at first but things can change very quickly once you get into someone's car. You're in their space now and she should be able to defend herself if need be. You never know anyone's intentions these days or if they have ulterior motives.
mani123lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:15 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So don't get in the car? Literally, you have no grounds considering you chose to put yourself in that position.
Bystronicman08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:44 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is the other option? Just stand on the side of the road forever? Taking a ride from a stranger isn't that unusual and neither is wanting to protect yourself. I'm a dude, I wouldn't be offended at all if some lady had her hand on her pepper spray when I was helping her.
mani123lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:50 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the point is, you don't walk in to a restaurant with a test kit. You used your own judgement to go to said place. If something feels sketchy, then why risk it? It's not the fact that she didn't use it, it's that she set the precedent that she could've used it and endanger someone else. Would your mind have changed if she was holding a gun?
qqazxswedc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:01 on April 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Bystronicman08. You hurt my feelings. Now I will make your life miserable until you apologize.
qqazxswedc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:02 on April 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Bystronicman08. You hurt my feelings. Now I will make your life miserable until you apologize.
qqazxswedc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:03 on April 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Bystronicman08. You hurt my feelings. Now I will make your life miserable until you apologize.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:56:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I had a wrassler body at one point too. Good description. This is my new terminology now. Thanks
PM_TITTIES_N_KITTYS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man at least you know how to not get fucked with twice.
Thus_Spoke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What state was this?
SequelMcGee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first this was starting to sound like an early episode of Prison Break
BigDogAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What punishment did you recieve for fighting the dude that spat on you?
FatMan832 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:12:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got my ass kicked for 15 seconds (4 guys), guards yelled, three seconds later it stopped. I was questioned, and I knew better. I kept quiet, "I fell. They helped me up." I kept repeating it. Guards yelled at me, I kept to my story. I went back in. Passed the same guys. No spit. No trash talk. Just stare down, but I didn't make eye contact.
It was worth it. I should have jumped at first spit. Thing is, not one big dude fucked with me. It was all short & small guys (young). The older big guys didn't need to show anything.
MeloneFxcker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
is this u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVfAs7-PSk
companion86 ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 19:32:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I yawned every time I walked into a new room bc it was the most neutral expression I could think of. I was afraid if I didn't smile I'd look aggressive or angry, and that if I did, I might look cocky or weak so... I yawned.
boobiemcgoogle ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 00:20:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Here comes the narcoleptic"
kbryan31 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:19:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my roommate does this currently
thruthewindowBN ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:26:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did it work??
LPT: if you go to prison, yawn a lot. No one will fuck with you.
companion86 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:23:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think so. Let me clarify so I'm not overstating anything:
1.) county jail, not prison. Female barracks. 2.) one person tried to mess with me while I was sleeping but I didn't have to do anything about it. Everyone was verbally on her ass before I even fully woke up. I'd had a lot of morning sickness during the night and had finally managed to get some sleep so I think the other women felt sorry for me.
burgersareon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:35 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I do this now that I think about it...
quiltr ยท 1720 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I have a story for this one. And I swear to god, it happened just like this. It was traumatizing at the time, but now it's pretty funny.
So, I was young and stupid and accidentally bounced a $25.00 check at a grocery store. Just after this happened, like within a week, we had to move out of our apartment because our shitty neighbor claimed my dog tried to attack him (which was BS). So we moved rather quickly, and due to the finances at the time, I didn't have the money to get the phone turned on in the new place for about a month. We also missed getting our mail for about two weeks. Mail that included the notice from the grocery store that the check had bounced, and the bank statement for the month that also showed the bounced check.
Fast forward a year later and I'm driving to work with a bag full of neurosurgical medical charts for the surgeon I work for to use while seeing his patients at his satellite office that morning. I get pulled over for speeding and oh, look! There's a warrant for my arrest! The state trooper was kind enough to let me pull my car off the tollway so I wouldn't get towed, then I guess he realized I wasn't much of a threat, because I ended up in the front seat with him.
So picture this innocent little 23 year old girl in a floral sundress, absolutely terrified because nothing like this had ever happened to her before. And what is the first thing the trooper says to me? "This is my first week here in {city}, so I don't actually know how to get to the jail from here. Do you know which way I need to go?"
So I direct him to the jail, and once we get inside, clutching my purse and the bag full of medical charts, I sit on a little chair up next to a wall. He walks over to talk to someone. He talks, turns and looks at me, talks again, then starts laughing. He walks back over to where I'm sitting and tells me that he will give the bag with the charts to the clerk and she will call my co-worker to come get them. Then he says, "Also, you can't sit there. You need to stand on those footprints in front of that desk."
I'm still trembling like a leaf and trying not to cry, and I begged to be allowed to stay where I was. He said, "No, they need to be able to see your hands, just in case you have a gun hidden on you somewhere. Not that you could hit anything, the way you're shaking, but those are the rules." So I stand in front of the desk and he takes my purse and bag of charts away.
After about 10 minutes, another officer comes to the desk with a stack full of papers. He barks at me to tell him my name, which I do. However, between the time the warrant was written and the day I was arrested, I had gotten married. So I told him my married name, without really thinking about it. He flips through the papers, and flips through the papers, and about the third time he starts flipping, I finally realized what I'd done, so I said, "Um, it might be under my maiden name, which is {name}?" He starts yelling at me for not telling him that the first time, and now I'm sobbing.
A female officer takes me into a room to search me, although fortunately, I didn't have to totally strip down (or cough, ugh). She proceeds to tell me, "You need to calm down. If I put you in there crying like this, they're gonna be on you like white on rice." Because that's TOTALLY going to make me CALM DOWN.
Eventually they put me in this cell with one girl who I got the impression was a gang member of some sort, and a very motherly looking black lady. I sit down in a corner and make myself as small as possible. The gang girl comes over and starts making fun of my clothes and harassing me until the motherly lady shoos her off and sits down next to me. She pats my leg and tells me it's going to be okay, then asks why I'm there.
I tell her that I bounced a check, but I didn't realize I bounced it, so I was arrested. She smiles and tells me that I'll be fine. I'll be there a couple of hours, they'll book me, and then they'll let me go with a court date, and not to get myself so worked up.
I thank her and ask why she's there. "Oh, I tried to kill my husband with a meat cleaver. The judge said he was inclined to give me leniency but I told him, 'Judge, you let me out of here and I'll go after the son of a bitch again!" So he's letting me cool down."
My eyes must have been the size of saucers. Now I'm even more terrified. I sit there for a few minutes then excuse myself for the bathroom, but once I was there I realized there were no doors and no privacy at all, so I changed my mind. When I came back out, I sat down on the floor near the phones.
About five minutes later, another girl is put in with us. This one is jerking and scratching her skin and acting very strange. I'm sitting there just staring at her as she picks up the phone to call someone. Then I hear, "Psst... Psst!" I look around and see the motherly lady motioning to me. She mouths "Come over here" at me, so I move back over to where she's sitting. "Honey, that girl's about to flip out. You don't want to be over there when that happens."
I swear, those words were no sooner out of her mouth, than the girl WENT INSANE. She started screaming and clawing at herself and hitting herself on the head with the phone receiver. Gang girl very calmly walks over to pound on the door, insisting that they come get the drug girl out. They do, and everything quiets back down.
The three of us sit there for a couple of hours before they take gang girl out. Then a little while later, they come to get me, do the whole fingerprinting, mug shot thing then they release me with a bunch of paperwork.
Now, here I am at the jail, and my car is still out by the tollway. My mother, who worked at the same hospital I worked at, was having her retirement party that particular day, and my sister was there so I called the unit and got my sister on the line. "{Sister}, I need a favor." "Ok, what's up?" "I need you to come pick me up, but you CANNOT tell Mom where I am." "Ok...where are you?" "I'm at {jail}?" "YOU'RE IN JAIL!" "Shut up! Shut up shut up shutup!"
She comes to pick me up and I was fortunate that the doctor I worked for thought it was hilarious, so I didn't get fired. I did end up having to work on my birthday, to make up for the day I was out, but I felt like I got off pretty, easy all things said.
ETA: Holy cats! My very first gold! I don't even know what the etiquette is for this. Am I allowed to name the person who gave it to me? Thank you very much gold-giver!
lahimatoa ยท 630 points ยท Posted at 19:39:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 points for honesty.
Beenay-25 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pop Six Squish Uh uh Cicero Lipschitz!
ceannasai ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:23:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"if you'd've been there, if you'd've seen it, I bet you you would have done the same"
phormix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:25:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And who's to what the full situation was. Maybe the husband was a real son-of-a-bitch himself.
firewall73 ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 18:08:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This one is one of the more adorable ones in here, itโs certainly sounds better than the male prisons lol
Thus_Spoke ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:07:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure about that. Getting put in a cell with an attempted murderer, gang member, and insane person would be pretty terrifying.
Treemurphy ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:01:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
apparently female prisoners have higher rates of attempted suicide, while males have higher rates of physical hostility towards others
take from that what you sill but either way prison sounds rough
Sparowl ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:21:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes that son of bitch deserves it.
I'm not for vigilante justice, but at the same time...sometimes people have valid reasons.
It's the ones who are killing random people, or are predatory about it that you need to worry about.
randarrow ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to a bunch of guys with DUIs and child support backlogs? I know my choice!
PM_TITTIES_N_KITTYS ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:31:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, prison systems are much much more intense for dudes. All the cries of "feminism is about equality" are complete horse shit. We let men rot of we think they're bad and we like it that way. For women, it's like "omg it was so scary."
Gigadweeb ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:28:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH FEMINISM BAD"
PM_TITTIES_N_KITTYS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:32 on March 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just the sort of intellectual response I expect from a feminist.
PM_TITTIES_N_KITTYS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:38 on March 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just the sort of intellectual response I expect from a feminist.
test0314 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You got a lot of downvotes but I agree with you. Also, why does she only mention the ethnicity of the black lady? Why not tell everyoneโs ethnicity? Itโs weird. And the cop sits her in the front seat with him. Would that happen to any male?
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:19:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The entire justice system is skewed for women
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all that over $25 is just ridiculous enough to be believable.
TVK777 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:46:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if she didn't work harder and commit fraud for millions of dollars instead, this would've never happened.
Acrolith ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That black lady sounds kinda awesome, not gonna lie, and I'm inclined to believe her husband deserved it.
quiltr ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:38:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, me too. I figured if the judge was "inclined to give her leniency" as she said, that he probably did something really shitty.
Sparowl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to say - don't ask her why she tried to kill her husband and she seems like she'd be alright.
SoftTen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:19:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bouncing a check is jail-worthy? It's never happened to me but I always figured they'd just hound you with a collections company or something
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:28:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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AStoicHedonist ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:57:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot recall the last time cheques were accepted by retail establishments here in Canada....20 years ago maybe?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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AStoicHedonist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I think I remember the transition having grocery stores accept for a little longer than other stores but it still stopped something like 20 years ago.
SlimShadyMlady ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:46:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn girl, that's an impressive story. Asshole officers though
quiltr ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:39:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The state trooper was really nice, and for the most part so was the one who searched me, but man the first one at the desk was just awful. Seriously, dude, I bounced a $25 check. Do you really need to yell at me?
sperglord_manchild ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:59:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly you're lucky you only got one asshole guard.
I was in for about half a day and the guards were down right evil.
There were people going crazy screaming for their medications, hitting the intercom button and the guards just ignore everyone and everything and don't give a shit. I'm sure people have seizures and worse in there and the guards just let it happen.
I'm pretty sure they just stop viewing inmates as human beings pretty quickly.
Sparowl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first one seemed pretty cool about it all.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hang on, you can go to jail for a bounced check?
quiltr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:34:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, you can if you don't make it good. I would have gone in and cleared it all up if I had known I bounced it. But yes, you can go to jail for it.
Tweegyjambo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where even, my memory goes back to late 80s at least, would let you pay by cheque without a cheque guarantee card? Obvs not an issue anymore as nowhere accepts cheques.
quiltr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what a check guarantee card is, but this was in the US.
Tweegyjambo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cheque guarantee card is basically your bank card that they took an imprint of when you paid by cheque. It would guarantee a cheque to be paid up to a value of ยฃ250/500 depending on your credit rating. You basically couldn't pay at a store without one.
quiltr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. No, we didn't have that. I can't remember if I even had an ATM card that far back.
FluffyMcKittenHeads ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah theyโre called hot check laws. It used to be more of a thing when checks were more of a thing but now with instant debit it doesnโt happen much.
http://www.alqlist.com/NSFChecks.html
ceannasai ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:22:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wrt to the woman trying to kill her husband, the first thing that comes to mind is "he had it coming, he had it coming, he only had himself to blame".
Jamf24 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the male version of that same story. Well, I guess only the going to jail part, I didnt get any fatherly advice while I was there. I bounced an $11 check and about a year later was pulled over for speeding. I found out later that the cop must have run my name through every county in the state looking for stuff on me, because they didnt have sophisticated enough systems, at the time, to have found my warrant otherwise. I was taken to a little county jail, and after I was booked in the only thing I was thinking was, "I hope nobody steals my shoes". I had to spend the night in jail and then be transported 3 1/2 hours back to my county, where I spent another few hours before they let me go. That was the suckiest $11 I ever spent.
quiltr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! That's awful. At least my experience only lasted half a day.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did your husband say?
quiltr ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:42:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that's another funny story. So the night before all this happened, he and his friends played a horrible prank on me. He played indoor soccer at the time, and I didn't want to go to the game that night. Well, right around the time I started expecting him home I got a call from one of his friends saying that he broke his leg and they were on the way to the hospital. I totally panicked and was half-way out the door when they called back to tell me it was a joke. They BARELY caught me, and this was back before cell phones.
So when I told him that I'd been arrested and that he needed to come get me and take me to my car, he didn't believe me. He kept telling me that he wasn't falling for that, and to get a better story for revenge. After about a five minute argument, he finally agreed to come get me. It took me actually showing him my release paperwork before he honestly believed I'd been arrested.
sperglord_manchild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the shittiest "pranks" I've ever heard of. Your husband and his friends are fucking retarded.
quiltr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We were all very young. Stupid things are funny when you're young. :D
Suhn-Sol-Jashin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How'd you get out without talking to a judge?
quiltr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:37:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, but they just released me with a bunch of paperwork, and I had to go pay off the check and the fines, then take a letter with me to court on my court date saying it was paid. Even then I didn't go before the judge. I got to the courtroom and was told to go to a clerk of some sort. I showed the letter and paid "court costs" and was free to go.
Mikeychims85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When it's minor offenses they can let you out from the precinct with R.O.R. (Released on your own recognizance) or low bail. I think they just have to call a judge and get it ok'd but I could be wrong about that.
Suhn-Sol-Jashin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Signed by a judge.
MisterSmeeee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This one is my favorite. You poor thing.
Thadeoc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was so (bitter) sweet!
HoneySmaks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happened during your court day?
quiltr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even have to go before the judge. I just had to pay the check and bring the letter to court saying it was paid, then pay court costs, and they dismissed it.
Sparowl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great story. Honestly, as frightening as it was at the time, it's probably worth it now just to have that story to tell.
quiltr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. It took me a few years, but now it's one of my favorite stories to tell.
takatori ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does a bounced check have anything to do with the criminal justice system? Wouldnโt that be a civil matter, unless it were a fraudulent check?
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn tweakers
singdawg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a bounced cheque? Wtf
pandeomonia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They throw people in jail for bounced checks? Jesus. I would have just thought they'd take you to collections.
ArtificeAdam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:22 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A person can guild anonymously, if they choose not to, it's safe to assume they don't mind being named. Either way, you're welcome :)
Haiku_lass ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:05:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could give this story gold, so here's some
!redditsilver
quiltr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Awww! Thank you!!
Tweegyjambo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What sort of place puts someone in jail over a 25 dollar cheque. Ffs.
quiltr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:47:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's considered "Theft by check."
Tweegyjambo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:00:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like it should be a civil issue rather than criminal tbh.
rmullen522 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No way, bouncing a check and not paying it is that. If you steal it's criminal.
SillyGirrl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:33:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a lawyer tell me it was at my discretion to put son's father in jail for non payment. That makes absolute no sense to me.
JustSomeGuy556 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't... She got taken to jail because she skipped court over the check, and a judge signed a warrant for her. If you have a warrant out on you, for anything, and you get stopped, you are going to go to jail pretty much anywhere. The police have no leeway to let you go.
StoneballsJackson ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bounced check and speeding? Innocent my ass.......
quiltr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:44:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha! Well, it was the first time I was caught speeding, and I'm usually much better about staying near the speed limit, but that day I was already running late, so I wasn't really paying attention to how fast I was going.
StoneballsJackson ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:10:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool. I was just joking. I thought your story was great. I'm 6'3" and 230 pounds and I would blubber like a kid whose puppy died if I were to have to spend time in jail.
Chutullu918 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why somebody gets a warrant for not paying a bill, weird
quiltr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't that I didn't pay a bill. I bounced a check. If it goes a certain amount of time after the check bounced and you don't go pick it up and pay for the check and the fines, it's considered theft by check.
Chutullu918 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that bouncing a check is considered theft, but why on earth does one have to go to jail for theft of what, 50 dollars? That's just outright crazy.
Thesaurii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She went to jail for skipping her court date, because she didn't check the mail and couldn't receive phone calls, and wasn't aware of it coming up.
Skipping court dates means you get a warrant, because of course it does, its essential to how our system works. If she had a phone or checked the mail, it would have taken up about an hour of her Tuesday. She would show up with 25 dollars in hand and then go to work.
Aegi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if you were a 23 year old man it would have been way different, especially if you were scared.
As a woman you get to be scared, as a man, when we're scared it's viewed as suspicious b/c we obviously did something wrong/worth feeling guilty about.
quiltr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:46:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and that really sucks. I wish men weren't treated as though showing emotions made them less masculine.
Aegi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of agree, I don't give a fuck if we're viewed as less masculine or not, I just don't want being more or less of any gender to be a good or bad thing for anyone.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Tweegyjambo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:48:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got a badass here!
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:01:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Tweegyjambo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:11:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A little bit of pee just leaked out.
Actually, you are prob right, I'm prob quite sheltered myself. Didn't mean to come across as a dick that is too easy online.
Hope you're having a good day.
wookeegnome ยท 308 points ยท Posted at 19:00:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I've lost my job, my apartment, Rizzo is going to have to go back to the shelter, im going to prison for a very long time, my life is literally over, I should kill myself."
But! My boss came and put money in my books when he heard what had happened, assured me that I still had a job whenever I got out, I kept my apartment to the end of my lease, I still have Rizzo, a co-worker used to date this lawyer who got me 3 years probation, and this same coworker convinced his current boyfriend to put up $10000 bail, my life was definitely derailed a bit but I'm getting it back on track, and I'm only a little dead inside \o/
Formatting sucks because mobile and almost off lunch break, but hey :)
[deleted] ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 21:38:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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wookeegnome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I truly do, to the point that I take it for granted sometimes. And thank you! I hope life is treating you well also.
lurkforhire ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 02:23:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your job circle seems like some of the most caring individuals I've ever heard about
Run_zeke_run ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:05:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Caring and rich
wookeegnome ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:11:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Caring, very. Rich, maybe not so much. We all worked together at Chipotle, and my being a manager meant that I actually made more than the guy that helped me out. I was just fortunate that my coworker and his ex remained as close as they did, and the lawyer was kind enough to allow me a payment plan. It's been just just over 3 years, and I still owe over $8000. Beats the heck out of prison though
Run_zeke_run ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:15:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand the putting up 10k bail thing if they were min wage Chipotle workers. If it was 10% there is no way you owe them 8k still and if it was the full 10 how did they get the cash?
wookeegnome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They absolutely were/are. Were, because I've since moved on to another job, but I still keep in contact with many of them. The manager I mentioned is now my next door neighbor through a random twist, and we still hang out :)
ginger_whiskers ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:56:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You now have to help your coworker move until the day he dies, btw.
And you buy the pizza.
wookeegnome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boy howdy you are not kidding! I was completely blown away when he pulled those strings for me
ginger_whiskers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:54 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you are either doing way too much work, asking way too little money, or you're the 3rd luckiest sumbitch in your city.
thicwith2cs ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:26:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you donโt mind me asking, what were the charges?
EtsuRah ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:37:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Extreme loitering
thehomiesthomie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:13:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he stood outside
for hours
wookeegnome ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:13:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3 counts of aggravated robbery. 1/5 would not recommend
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:18:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing boss.
imnotanevilwitch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:33:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watch whiteness work. (Have at the downvotes!)
wookeegnome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:20:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're right (partially). I would point out that I had no priors, I had just graduated college, I tend to be very personable ( which earned the friend that helped with the lawyer and bail money, and certainly didn't hurt during my interactions with the judge), and I completed every single counselling session and relapse prevention program I could afford. Throughout the whole ordeal though, I kept thinking how lucky I was to be a white guy
coolhands1 ยท 1638 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested while trying to schedule a diversion class I had missed. Missing the class violated a plea bargain stemming from a DUI i had gotten months before. I was immediately taken to processing, this was a Friday about noon. Unfortunately the court was full for the day so I didn't get to see a judge until the following Monday. I was put in a group cell with about 30 people. At first I tried to keep a low profile. I grabbed a book off a shelf and began to read, it was some silly romance novel, but it was all that was available. Then, some gang banger saw me reading. He took my book and started yelling; "look at Mr. smarty pants, reading books over here. He thinks he's too good for us!" I was scared shitless! I wanted NO part of a jail fight. I just wanted to read and get through the weekend. Luckily a guy who was often in jail, (but a really cool dude) came and put the banger in his place. Gave me the book back and asked, "you know how to write too? Can you help me write a letter to my girl?" I proceeded to help write letters for 5-6 different cell mates. It was surreal, I became a protected guy, all because I helped some bad dudes communicate with the outside world. The letters I wrote were amazing. One guy had me tell his gf's how much he wanted to lick her ass.. Seriously. One guy had a newborn at home. He was out buying formula when he was picked up for a parole violation. His household had no phone, so his fiance had no idea what happened to him, or their car for 3 days. He cried when we were writing the letter. I was humbled by the experience.
I got sentenced to 10 days for missing the class and got out in 5 total. I ended up getting high fives and hugs from some of my cell mates as I was released. All in all it was a positive experience, all things considered.
EDIT: Added some words
smellwell ยท 382 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thats like a movie man.
coolhands1 ยท 593 points ยท Posted at 16:50:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly was! I actually took some film classes in college and wanted to write a script about the experience. More happened that weekend thatwas very movie like, including a music montage. No shit. We had to clean the cell on Monday after breakfast. There was a tv on the wall that had a radio so we listened to music while sweeping and mopping. Right after we started, Aerosmith's Dream On came on. We all were into it. Moving brooms and mops to the beat of the song. Then the chorus hit and at least half the cell bust out, singing loudly. We were using the handles like microphones swaying side to side. It was amazing. Until we hear the guards bang on the door, cut the music, and yell over the loudspeaker to "calm down and shut up". We unfortunately lost our TV privileges for the rest of the morning.
10/10 would sing in jail again.
smellwell ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is the greatest story I have heard in a hot minute. I know you said it was a positive experience all in all, but, do you hold serious regret for skipping the class, or would you still have skipped it, given the chance to re-do that part of life.
coolhands1 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:04:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good question. On one hand Id love to have the ability to still say I have never been to jail in my life. You know,because you are not supposed to go to jail. I consider myself a positive member of society. But in retrospect, the experience did rehabilitate me. I didn't take the diversion seriously or I wouldn't have missed the class. After my 5 days and getting out, the air smelled sweeter, food tasted better. I was much more serious about diversion, even though when I was originally pulled over and blew a .030, less than half the legal limit.
To put a cap on my movie like experience... My best friend and his brother picked me up when I was released. We pulled out of the jail lot with the top down on his Mustang Cobra. He and his brother just laughed as we blasted the song Akon - Locked Up at full volume.
smellwell ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now for the question to end all questions, since your life is clearly a movie...what actor plays the main character?
coolhands1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I pulled off Tyler Durden one Halloween, so I'll say Brad Pitt. Ha!
smellwell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that sounds about right lol
eazolan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get a DUI from having less than the legal limit?
coolhands1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was pulled over I had been going 75 in a 50, crossing state lines. That speed put me in the "negligent driving" range. So I had to perform a field sobriety test, which I passed. The cop said he felt I was under the influence so they arrested me and took me to a hospital for a breathalyzer and blood test. The cop thought the obscene speed was cause for DUI. The "legal limit" only applies if you go over that mark. If you are over it is automatically a DUI, if you are under the limit, it is cops judgment.
fuck_off_ireland ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:09:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More people need to know this - if you blow a 0.01 and the cop says your judgement is impaired, that's a DUI.
morderkaine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is pretty fucked. What is the point of a test and limit if a cop can just decide you are drunk anyways?
fuck_off_ireland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, some people could be wasted at 0.04 BAC, so it shouldn't be a hard line
sperglord_manchild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it should be a hard line. Justice shouldn't be based on a random officer's subjective judgement.
rmullen522 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The limit isn't there to help you it's to hurt you. Over the limit is automatically dui. Under and you can still be screwed.
Injustice52 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you believe it?
dinkstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:17:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he went to jail in Mayberry.
User4780 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:16:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, the American prison system. Big guys in a fight, let em go (and yes, I know it's because no guard in their right mind is gonna get in between that, had enough of them as clients in my medical facility not only explain why but were there because they tried to stop it). But let a group of men, that would usually want to bitch and fight each other all day, actually bond over something silly.... Gotta stop that shit right away!!
murderbox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they stop fighting each other, they may turn on the guards.
BrosesMalone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just realized someone needs to make a prison musical
ATP-au-Andromedus2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seen the new Paddington movie yet?
Ambralin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:11:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your story isโฆ plausible, but to anyone else reading this, am I seriously the only one that thinks this sounds a little rich?
coolhands1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:41:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had a way to prove the story, I really do. If you check my post/comment history you'll see I've been active here for over 8 years (just had my 8th cake day) and I have very little karma. I am not in the habit of karma whoring. Unfortunately my only family, and a few friends have heard the story and I don't believe any of them are on Reddit to confirm. But I understand your doubts. It sounds crazy, but it's all true, every word.
welleverybodysucks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good news is, according to statistics, you could probably visit many of them again if you want to get yourself charged.
Vixeric ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do it man, even just a short story. I'm intrigued.
coolhands1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this was the motivation I needed.
Vixeric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been reading this story about three times now because I can just imagine you with a "How did I even end up here" face, totally confused, but just going with the flow because eh, why not?
coolhands1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:29:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You hit the nail on the head. I asked myself "how/why" a million times. Then I just buckled up and enjoyed the ride. It was crazy to hear guys in jail talk about their lives and how they got there. There is TONS of time to chat in jail. Some guys were just down on their luck and could never catch a break. Others truly felt the world was out to get them. You really see all kinds of people in jail.
Vixeric ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:33:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least you could make a stand-up comedy story with this experience. I would watch the hell out of that.
UnshadedEurasia001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This really is an amazing little story, from what little you've told. Please write more about it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should title it Coolhands1 Luke
coolhands1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That might still be a copyright infringement. Maybe "Failure to Communicate - Letters from Lock Up" Would be better.
dude071297 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:04:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Letters from Lockup on its own sounds pretty great.
coolhands1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. It will be my working title.
dude071297 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best of luck! I'm sure it'll turn out fantastically. :)
funobtainium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love that. That happened to me in basic training but it was Back To Life by Soul II Soul.
I think we've all watched so many movies that when music is injected into an unfamiliar or surreal environment, it almost always feels like a movie. I kind of love it.
coolhands1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Life is better with a soundtrack, right?
duckeater917 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is the best thing I've read on reddit.
Catman360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking about going into law enforcement and let me tell you, if I was a guard there and the rest of them said that they had to go shut that down I would be like "do we have to? can we let them have a little fun?
Drugslikeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on!
HyperSpaceSurfer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's an Eddie Murphy movie called Life. He's put in forced laibour because of false charges. He is the only one who can read or write so he helps the other convicts write letters.
LadyMethaneCuddles ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:39:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is oddly sweet. I'm sure they will forever appreciate your help and remember you.
FriendshipPlusKarate ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:46:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol when I was locked up we could send emails. But you had to pay by the minute for computer time. Being a young guy I was quick on the computer so guys would come ask my for help all the time. They'd write the letter and I'd slam it out on the computer in 1-2 minutes saving them time and money. Made a few friends which goes a long way in prison.
IWantALargeFarva ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:41:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I type 110 WPM. I'm excited to learn that I have a marketable prison skill.
FriendshipPlusKarate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:50:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can make so many dollars stamps
Rogersgirl75 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:13:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is really cool! My only question is, why could they not write their own letters? Thereโs such a tiny fraction of illiterate people in America, I find it hard to believe you found most of them.
Quick edit: I guess I shouldnโt have assumed youโre from America, but I still donโt think there are that many countries with a high rate of illiteracy.
coolhands1 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:20:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first guy, my protector, literally couldn't read/write. The guy with the newborn at home was Hispanic if I recall and I think his English writing was very poor. The others could probably read somewhat. Enough that you wouldn't' call them illiterate. Though I was probably a genius, comparatively. So, I gave them a chance to send well written pornographic letters to their ladies.
Rogersgirl75 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:49:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha that makes sense. This is an amazing story, thank you for sharing!
coolhands1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My pleasure!
irishryan913 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same hustle in prison. Writing letters...a lot of freak letters... for other inmates.
dyopopoy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:36:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hopefully you talked to the wife of the guy who was buying formula for his kid.
coolhands1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanted to. I was in a short term holding cell, he got moved shortly after the letter was written and I dint get his personal info. Never saw him again...
JH2K ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same shit happened to me without me writing the letters!!!! I was a dumb ass and dropped out of the classes they picked me up while I was BBQing and had to stay though the weekend!
88isafat69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did the eating his gf ass sentence turn out? How was the transition to that topic
coolhands1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He surely want bashful! He sat down and asked if I'd write a love letter to his girl. I obliged, obviously. Then he just started talking, I started writing. If memory serves, he said something along the lines of; I love you, I miss you, I cant wait to see you and stick my tongue in your ass... He continued to go on and on... I eventually stopped him to make sure we were writing something that his lady would want to read. He believed she would. Must have been some woman!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what is DUI?
coolhands1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Driving Under the Influence.
Ehalon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you posted this before matey? Genuinely open question. Thx
coolhands1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not until today.
Ehalon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:21:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Well, someone stole your life history then. I'll do my best to find the original thread but from on of the last time this was asked it was 3rd highest.
beyerch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Crazy how some of the simplest things most people take for granted are so valuable in other circumstances!
SL8Rfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But Luke, tell them about how you can eat 50 hardboiled eggs
coolhands1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That film is the inspiration from my screen name! Its was also my DJ name back when I worked nightclubs 15(ish) years ago...
askmewhyihateyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
write a small book about those letters!
JohnSingapore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, ass isn't too bad this time of year.
King-Olaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question: Were the people you were writing letters for illiterate or did they just think you wrote more eloquently than they did?
PhilosophicalPsycho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When did this happen? Because if people in prison not being able to write letters due to illiteracy, maybe that's something I can volunteer to help do? This story really resonated with me, I want to help.
coolhands1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was about 12 years ago in was my home city's jail. I said in response to a similar question, that I believe a couple of the inmates were borderline illiterate. One guy was Hispanic and his fiance was white, so it was merely a language barrier. The other few people I wrote for were probably not able to be as eloquent was they wanted and used me as a way to "wow" their significant others.
On a side note, I was really blown away by the comfort many of my cell mates had for jail. Many of them knew each other from their long stints inside. They cheered for one another when a familiar face came through the gate. My point is, jail was normal life for them, and education was not important to many of these guys for much of their lives. Many didn't have jobs or a reason to read/write on a daily basis. I think many of us take education for granted once we leave school. But it is seems as if it were a "use it or loose it" scenario for many of the people I met. They learned basic reading and writing early in life but had clearly "lost it".
BROWN_BUTT_BUTTER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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coolhands1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, unfortunately, no. It happened.
Latetotheparty12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly.
Drugslikeme ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right............ That happened.
Lyktan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/NothingEverHappens
IssaLlama ยท 810 points ยท Posted at 15:35:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp. Fuck. Just gonna chill and mind my own business. It was truly the worst experience of my life. Miami is not a place you want to get locked up. Its truly appalling conditions. I have no idea how its even legal to keep people like that.
crfhslgjerlvjervlj ยท 215 points ยท Posted at 17:45:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dehumanization of criminals. Revenge fantasies fueling the use of prison as a form of brutal punishment beyond simply removal of freedom. Lack of reform and rehabilitation as priorities in the system. Significant underfunding justified by all the above.
IssaLlama ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:37:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And i was found to be innocent. (I was innocent was in the wrong place at the wrong time) i couldn't imagine the people that spend years in there knowing they're gonna do life in prison anyways.
phormix ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:28:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck mman even innocence doesn't mean you might not get screwed if you can't afford a lawyer...
IssaLlama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was a woman in jail for 8 months because she had a spoon in an empty bowl of spaghetti in her car and the cop said it was meth
crfhslgjerlvjervlj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:26:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Might get screwed even if you can afford a lawyer.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:43:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a huge part of the problem in the U.S., and I'm glad you mentioned it.
Yeah, it's nice to think of awful human beings getting "fucked up in prison," but it really troubles me that so many people seem so comfortable with this. Thugs and criminals don't get to dispense justice. That's not how this works. That's solely the job of the justice system, however flawed it may be.
And as you said, simply going to prison โ and losing everything in your life, money, family, stature, etc. โ is the punishment. I don't see why the life of an inmate should be akin to walking through a dark alley in an apocalyptic wasteland.
If you ask me, having to deal with the sort of conditions OP is alluding to is a violation of the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause of the Eighth Amendment. And don't get me started on guard corruption...
You'd think we were living in the Third World.
blockpro156 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:08:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah agreed, I don't see why the removal of freedom, in the name of the protection of the rest of society, can't be enough.
Go any further than that, and it's basically just torture, and doesn't have any added value in terms of protecting the rest of society.
rezachi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:08:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt see it as punishment because they havenโt done it and donโt know what itโs like. They see it as a few weeks/months/years of living somewhere else with nothing to do but sit in a room. They donโt see losing your job and anything financial that a trusted family member isnโt able to hold down until you get out.
Ehalon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you are in the U.S.? Health and social care, along with the penal system, reform and education in general (students in over 100K debt?!) says that indeed you are near to being in the third world.
Mentioning gun crime is pointless and crass right now, and honestly for all his faults the same issues I outline below for America were a problem long before Trump. I'm leaving him out of this one, except for saying - he 'ent helping matters (same goes for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Snr etc).
We in the UK seem to very much be in the same boat, sadly. Our education system, police, National Health Service: whilst enjoying some of the most talented and enthusiastic people from all over the world are struggling to near collapse. Chronic under funding, incompetence and outright corruption are killing our core humane values and the services they offer.
Don't get me started on end of life and geriatric care..
I am IMMENSELY proud of my Country.
I also cannot and should not deny the horrors that we have committed and are perpetuating in some cases. Our seemingly immortal and unyielding inherent racism, sexism and homophobia. It is certainly present in the minority of institutions and individuals. Still it makes me incredibly sad and angry.
I truly LOVE my fellow members of the United Kingdom, in my biased opinion they are the most wonderful people I have ever met.
To turn a blind eye to the vocal, tiny minority of extremist religious and ideological zealots whom only spread hatred and division would be a terrible error on my part.
I am always uplifted to see people voluntarily giving their time, money and resources to those less fortunate than themselves. They humble me, the muslims giving food to the homeless and breaking down the barriers they face as 1st / 2nd / 3rd generation English people for example. The non-believers who do the same work, or who join them and those like them because it is the right thing to do.
We have far more homes than there are homeless. 'Scum' landlords care nothing for the plight of others, and cram 20 people into a house that can barely fit 2.5 adults. All for the ยฃยฃ.
We all pull together. We ALL face hard times, and we all need a 'hand up' when things are physically, emotionally or mentally incredibly hard. As a society we try our best to ensure there is a safety net for all of us should we fall. Sadly, as said above, chronic underfunding is killing the ability to provide these services. 'Killing' is the correct word - people are literally dying because of our government, and they do not seem to care.
I think you can see, or rather better to say I can very much hope you see that this is not an attack on the USA.
I love America's principles, optimism, charm, and all of it's positives that are embodied in it's core foundation - it's people.
It's government, institutions and lack of a support and encouragement for the mentality of a sense of societal 'family' - help others - these things I do not like so much.
I know on an individual scale, 99% of Americans go above and beyond to be good people.
I know 99% of the UK do the same.
I do wonder when or if our institutions will ever catch up with us, because until they do we can hardly, with a straight face and without shame, call ourselves '1st world societies'.
Peace and love X
lukewarm-milk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:08:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I love you
Ehalon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:16:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well thank you! I love you too my friend. Thank you for being so kind towards my inane ramblings!
Cheers X
lukewarm-milk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're not inane, they're very well articulated and raise many excellent points that I struggle to put into words when I try to talk to people about it. All that ends up coming out of my mouth is THEY'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT MAKE THEM STOP, and well, that's not a great deal of help in the matter. I've saved your comment cos this answer is very good, and has some excellent talking points I can debate with people. Keep up the rambles friend! x
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate yourself mate, my only advantage is that I am old hence I have had a LOT of time to listen to very, very wise people, and learn from them.
Not that you asked, but because you remind me of me 2 decades ago, please keep in mind:
1) Debate - Your objective is not to 'beat' your opponent, it is to articulate an argument (that you hopefully truly believe in), which will at least present it to the audience in the best way you can.
2) Choose the hill you die on. I've 'debated' with close friends and because I was focused on Being Right, I pissed them right off.
I am absolutely certain you do not need me to tell you these things, so massive apologies if I am being patronising.
Take it steady and all the best! :)
P.S. - I am not certain how true this is, but the 'message' stands true for me. I'm sure you have heard it already:
'When the Oracle at Delphi was asked whom the wisest person was, her answer:
'Socrates is the wisest man, for he knows that he knows nothing'
I feel that is a compliment. I will never stop learning, that path leads to foolishness.
I will never judge the value of a 'lesson', based on the age of the person giving it to me. Despite being an old fuck, I fully recognise that wisdom comes from all ages and genders. Never be afraid in regards to knowledge, but certainly never, ever be prideful - that behavior is actively ignorant.
Just the 'rules' I try to stick to :)
throwawaynewc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude how is geriatrics and elderly care bad in the UK? Care they get is amazing. Are you basing this off an anecdote?
I'm a doctor that works in geriatrics in a London hospital for reference.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have, as always managed to completely fail to communicate my point.
1) The funding for geriatric care is always the first to be cut when NICE have to make truly awful decisions - know that X amount of old people will suffer to ensure Y young people will not. Quality of life.
2) How many families just 'drop off' Mom and Dad once they become 'too much to handle'. Example - personal, intimate care if they are incontinent. Feeding, washing etc (I suppose I am more talking about 'nursing homes' here).
Children seem to forget exactly who did that for them once upon a time..
Anyone choosing to work geriatrics in the NHS should be awarded a mandatory medal, especially with 'our friend' Jeremy Cunt at the helm.
My only source is my 4 Grandparents suffering and dying in geriatrics, and the staff were NOT the problem. They were truly wonderful.
It is absolutely certain that someone in your position knows far more, and can cite far more than my anecdotes to prove a point. Sincerely, please correct me. I only have anecdotal and the news for my source.
Thank you for choosing geriatrics, it cannot be 'easy' in any sense.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your insight. I admire your passion, and it's good to know we're not alone. Take care.
jojohunter436 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Living in a 3rd world country? Some things may be fucked, but not EVERYTHING is.
Taxonomy2016 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, there are some really great places to live in a lot of other third-world countries too...as long as you can afford it. If not, then basically the system says fuck you.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I would respectfully ask you look into the history and definition of a 3rd world Country, and to skim through the List of Countries by Human Development.
Granted, there are no 3rd world Countries in the above, that are 'greater' than the US and UK, and the US is six places above the UK, but I think you need to study all of the indices that indicate a base - quality of life, and decide from there.
I would love to provide this in an easily palatable table, but I'm very tired right now, If you find a reputable source please share.
I think my question for my government would be: 'What are those 15 Countries doing better than the UK, and how do you plan to get there?'
jojohunter436 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll take a look at it later.
DomitianF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I were to guess it's because of the cost. It already costs quite a bit to house inmates and if the state were to improve conditions it would cost even more. Probably wouldn't be as big of a problem if we weren't so quick to lock so many people up
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good point; agreed.
otherdaniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just getting plucked from whatever messed up situation you were in seems to have been the cure for many in this thread.
spiderlanewales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We are.
We're significantly behind the rest of the "first world" on healthcare, human rights, drug laws, safety from police force, prison effectiveness, and societal appreciation for its fellow countrymen.
Here we are. Might as well enjoy it.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:41:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the bigger problem here is humanization of criminals in these comments.
Barafu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:56:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Judge Dredd, you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
crfhslgjerlvjervlj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:22:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
vaper_22 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell us more?
IssaLlama ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 17:51:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its filthy. Like disgusting filthy. Decades of shit, piss, blood, semen are caked on everywhere. The food (if you're given any at all. Took me 3 days to get something) is rotten and contaminated with roaches, rat droppings, dirt, mold. Getting beaten or abused by the power hungry all black staff is a daily occurrence for anyone not fully black. Id hear people begging for their insulin, meds, water, clothes. They weren't given things until it was the last possible second. (Diabetics would often not be fed more than 1 meal and would not get their insulin for a week) i heard someone screaming bloody murder. I guess the correctional officers tied another man to a shower and turned the water onto scalding. If they died or faced permanent injury from the tortures, the co would say it was self inflicted. I asked what time it was once, and got hog tied and kicked in my stomach while pregnant. When i started bleeding, they called in a psych dr to say i induced the abortion. He 100% didn't believe them, but i don't think there was much help could do to stop any of it. I recieved no medical care, they threw a crumpled ball of tp on the filthy floor and told me to use that
evil_fungus ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I need to see this on new york times like, this year. This is some underworld shit.
IssaLlama ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:10:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There have been stories on it... But not many. They let a journalist in recently. But only to the "clean" parts. Its truly insane. I don't know how its still open. People seem to think what happened to me (and countless others ) is totally fine because jails in saudi arabia and shit are worse... id like to invite them to spend a month there and tell me how pleasant and uplifting their stay was...
There's a documentary on netflix
BrokeandBougee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Name of the facility?
IssaLlama ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:21:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dade.. not tgk (that's a new booking facility)
fb39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Documentary about Saudi Arabian jails?!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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evil_fungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda but the NY Times has great journalism and I think they would do a great expose!
axf7228 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they allow you access to cleaners so you can keep your cell sanitized?
IssaLlama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:30:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good god no. Could you imagine what inmates with bleach and astringent would/ could do? The cleaning crew had limited access. One of my cell mates "bribed" one for a little thing of bleach so we could clean the toilet
UnshadedEurasia001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck?!
qualitycannabisnw ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:54:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate? Iโve watched Louis Therouxโs Miami Mega Jail doc and was very interested in the whole situation.
IssaLlama ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:17:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was allowed in tgk. The newer booking facility. And when he was in dade, they limited him on what he was able to see. When i saw the nianthony martinez segment, i cringed. Yeah, he's a psycho. But they totally set that kid up to be victimized on purpose. They get joy in torturing the inmates. If you say 'stop' or ask for anything... you'll be punished. I was told to drink from the toilet when i asked for water. Problem was. My toilet looks like it had been backed up for a few months.... Like most. I spoke with a lawyer on my release and she was like "there's nothing you can really do. If you push it, they'll target you"
qualitycannabisnw ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:22:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unbelievably brutal. Never ceases to shock at how truly inhuman some pieces of the American experiment are. Kensington, West Baltimore, East NY, parts of New Orleans, Dade county, Kansas City, Detroit, Camden NJ, East St. Louis. This list could go on and on. The jails in these places must be some of the worst facilities imaginable. Rights donโt exist and brutality rules. Weird coincidence that all these areas have been legislatively segregated, underfunded and over policed for decades. Pretty obvious systematic subversion of minorities by federal, state and municipal governments. Not that theyโd ever admit to that.
If youโre comfortable speaking on it, Iโm interested in the reason you got locked up. Either way, hope youโre doing well in life.
IssaLlama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was such a huge case down here, if i gave any specifics, id give away my identity. I was 100% not guilty though. I was the wrong place at the wrong time and was the attempted scapegoat for some police corruption. They didn't think it through though. They thought i was some random girl. My attorney said that if i was, id 100% have been found guilty. Its a shame how truly awful law enforcement is here.
qualitycannabisnw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn I canโt even imagine. It seems to me law enforcement (and it ancillary components eg prosecutors/court officials) are most concerned with the conviction. If they can cobble together a good enough story, with a few shreds of circumstantial evidence, theyโll go for the kill. They want the crime stat cleared first and foremost. Scary stuff. Glad to hear you werenโt falsely convicted.
IssaLlama ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sucks that people are in there without the resources to prove their innocence
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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qualitycannabisnw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A public defender once told me that if everyone went to trial, the โjusticeโ system would be insolvent. It wouldnโt even be close. No way they could pay for or accommodate all of their cases going to trial. This is a huge reason why theyโll give you a โgoodโ plea deal. It goes something like โalright you can plead guilty to this charge and weโll give you time served or if you go to trial weโll go for the maximum penalty of your charge IF you lose at trial.โ Itโs often time served vs multiple years if the defendant loses.... they use their power to get people to capitulate. Nothing new really but itโs not about โjusticeโ itโs about manipulation predicated on fear.
Suibian_ni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A conviction system, as opposed to a justice system.
Thesaurii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look into some of the jail situations in Arizona thanks to Joe Arpaio.
Literally kept people in cages outside without water in 100 degree heat. It was actual torture.
This wasn't even prison, it was jail.
I lived there, and my greatest fear was a parking ticket blowing away and getting a warrant or something, I was checking to see if I had a warrant every other week. Insanity.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:40:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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soapy_goatherd ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 17:58:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No need for the โprobablyโ - dude kept people in cages outside for hours in the Arizona summer without water. Heโs a monster.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:15:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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soapy_goatherd ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:19:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that says a lot more about the shittiness of our municipal jails than it does to vindicate that evil fuckhead
I426Hemi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arpaio...
A lot of people out here support(ed) him because he was old school and got the job done. I know a couple people who went to tent city and they turned their shit around so they wouldn't have to go back.
Controversial, but effective.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:30:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cruel and unusual...
I426Hemi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying I agree or disagree with his practices. But one could argue "Ends justify means."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we are going on a redditorโs comment that inhumane treatment worked to prevent criminality. Not only is this incredibly unreliable but it also doesnโt eliminate criminality, it just shifts the responsibility on to the governmentโs hands instead of the citizenryโs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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I426Hemi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
40's, when racism was cool and women were just considered homemakers.
C_IsForCookie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:31:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YOU MEAN THE SAME GUY THAT TRUMP PARDONED?
CombustibleLemonz ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:57:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an advocate of the guillotine for Joe Arpaio.
Drewggles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:36:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Him and a few others, I agree with the other comment. Still too lenient and quick for him, but I'd rather be rid of him.
soapy_goatherd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Much more humane than he deserves tbh
blockpro156 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:09:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You guys do realize that you're talking about doing exactly the sort of things that Joie Arpaio did wrong, right?
dkf295 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:11:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is exactly how that sort of mentality starts. You draw a line and anybody that crosses it isnโt human and you can take out your sickest fantasies on them because itโs easier than seeing them as a (horrible) human being.
blockpro156 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
fooshboosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He never guillotined nobody. Your point doesn't stand.
blockpro156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Besides, the guy I responded to called a guillotine too humane, implying torture and general mistreatment, which is more like what Joe Arpaio did.
soapy_goatherd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I said that's what he deserves. Not what I'd do to him because I'm not a monster
blockpro156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that he deserves it is still bad tho.
EDIT: Answer this, if it's what he deserves, then what is so bad about doing it?
You are making a statement that has an implication about the righteousness of future actions, you don't get to say that it's just words and therefore there's nothing that could possibly be wrong with it.
1stKillalltheLawyers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just give him a life sentence...of 5 years, the dude is old as shit
kingofplanetfap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Impossible if he's an American. No American citizen will ever be tried in front of The Hague tribunal. Look op The Hague invasion act.
soapy_goatherd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that he's guilty of crimes against humanity, not whether it's actually legally possible to bring him to trial for those crimes.
Modefinger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:14:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was my experience in CA as well. I got tossed in county jail because of a god damn clerical error.
It was borderline torture the way we were kept. Sleep was basically denied because so many were packed in such a small horrid space that was never designed to hold more than a few people for more than a few hours. I too wondered how it could be legal, but America.
The dehumanization is real. Cops have to deal with some scummy people so they think of and deal with everyone on the other side as cattle.
The worst part was the boredom. Chat is all there is and if you're not the chatty type then you're fucked. I tried to meditate but it was impossible as was shitting when it's one room, one toilet and a throng of unfortunates all shoved together in a closet.
The prison clothes I got were a few sizes too large so they were uncomfortably comfortable.
Oh yeah and if you're shy welcome to the world of get naked, show us your spread asshole and cough!
The food was disturbing. Spontaneous violence is always a possibility. I saw a guy get hammered in the face with a milk carton because he was snoring.
A junky was bleeding all over the floor and kept picking at his scabs.
Even after the judge ordered my immediate release at 11am I wasn't let out til 6pm
All in all it was a very bad nightmare. 0/10 would not recommend.
IssaLlama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They locked me in a paddy wagon for 12 hours in the sun with the heat on when i was arrested. No sleep for 2 days in booking at tgk. Smdh. A crackhead started masturbating in booking in front of everyone, while on her period and slapped a girl in the face with her bloody hand. (The chick was annoying af. In for a dui and kept talking about how rich her daddy was and she was going to sue everyone that was rude to her. Lol)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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throwaway13376663432 ยท -39 points ยท Posted at 17:49:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off and see what an actual piece of shit prison looks like before knocking moderately shitty ones.
IssaLlama ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:55:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dade is considered the worst institution in the entire country. Its worse than 3rd world jails ive seen. Until you've witnessed it first hand, i wouldn't discount the people that are coming forward about the horrendous conditions
Pasa_D ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 19:01:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This Jordanian guy I know described to me what prison was like in Jordan. I'm sure there are awful places in the US, but gotta remember that the Dade equivalent in other places aren't talked about at all.
IssaLlama ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make it right. This isn't the 'who has it worse' game. People are being tortured to death for small crimes and you're ok with it because you read something about a jail in another country? Are you insane?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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IssaLlama ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:18:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are loads of credible news stories and proven accounts of inmates being tortured to death or close to death.
momowallace ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:00:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a bit from /u/IssaLlama further above:
Here's a story of how corrections officers locked a schizophrenic inmate in a hot shower for nearly two hours, until it killed him.
Here's an article showing how mentally ill inmates are tortured, driven to suicide and killed by guards.
IssaLlama ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:38:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its honestly unbelievable how bad people are treated. An older woman died from not recieving insulin. You'd hear her begging. And when the nurse checked, she'd say the woman needed insulin. But the co would say no... she can wait. Psych patients would be taken abruptly off their meds, and would be locked into a single cell with someone white or small.
momowallace ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:50:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's sickening. Even if you're against wanting prisons to be as "luxury" as they are in Scandinavian countries (which has shown that, time after time, rehabilitation over retribution nets better results), it's absolutely ludicrous that people are defending inmates actually being tortured.
I love America, but sometimes it just seems like a fucking third world country.
IssaLlama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously they aren't supposed to be resorts. But all this does is make criminals harder criminals. "Don't do the crime" uh. Even if i did did the crime (i was 100% innocent) i dont think being kicked in the stomach to the point of losing the baby is proper punishment for possessing a bag of 'suspect narcotics'. Being scalded and Maimed isn't appropriate rehabilitation for indecent exposure. This needs to change. 20 men shouldn't be crammed into a cell designed to hold 10, given 1k calories a day, and have no access to clean water.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:34:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'll learn to hate America, they are barely a country worth the title of first world when one looks at how incredibly corrupt and inequal they are.
Pasa_D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who said it was right? This isn't a fight. Keep calm.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 18:19:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm knocking the "ahhahah muh america is so bad" bullshit from OP.
soapy_goatherd ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:24:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weโre objectively terrible in how we treat our prisoners. It is so bad
throwaway13376663432 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And we are also objectively terrible in the way "we" (I didn't vote for this shit and oppose it) treat all our citizens because our government doesn't follow the Constitution and in fact completely ignores and circumvents it at every opportunity.
Somehow, the situation prisoners face is not so bad.
soapy_goatherd ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:33:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take it from me. The situation prisoners in the United States are dealing with right now is often barbarous at worse and inhumane at best
IssaLlama ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:41:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think being scalded to death while hogtied to a pipe is pretty bad. Or getting beaten to the point of miscarriage. Or being refused medication you need. Or being starved almost to death. Raped daily, stabbed, beaten, stripped.
soapy_goatherd ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:54:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha well they shouldโve thought about that before acquiescing to that plea deal the cops got by overcharging them initially /s
IssaLlama ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, you enjoyed your time in dade? You're the only one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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earthlings_all ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She.
throwaway13376663432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't think he's lying.
unrestive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you were there recently is it different now to what itโs like in the Louis Theroux documentary?
IssaLlama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:41:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The parts he's in are the same... he wasnt shown the 9th or anything like it. The crowded cell is accurate. But i don't think it captured any of the brutality the staff inflicts or the severity of the illnesses.
unrestive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt even realise there was a 9th really I just assumed 6th was the highest. The crowded cell and the way the cells seem to work, at least in the documentary, honestly terrify me even though I donโt live anywhere near. The staff honestly seemed so nice, I suppose they may have been for cameras. What did they do if you donโt mind me asking? It does sound truly awful though.
IssaLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
9th is psych. They threaten people with it. Did 4 days there. Almost killed myself. The staff are not at all like the documentary. If you're torturing people, are you going to do it on camera?
StoneyTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should see Central Booking in NYC.
IssaLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have. I'd rather go there again than dade
StoneyTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:44 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which house did you go to? Brooklyn and the Bronx are by far the worst thing I've ever dealt with, I've done time in Beaumont, TX and it wasn't that bad. I even got bagged in the Hamptons and that was a fucking cake walk.
IssaLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:52 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They ended up realising my id wasnt decent. So they sent me to some place in bronx. Im trying to recall the name of it, but cant for the damn life of me it was so long ago. they all have some innocuous tampon like names like willowbrook, bridgecreek, rosewood when they're for under age. It was like a giant room with bunkbeds everywhere. Its so strange. Me 15 years ago to me now is night and day. People always say "your past doesn't define you" yes it does. I realized that i didn't want that life, so i changed it . It doesn't mean it never happened. Me going to dade shouldn't have happened. I honestly did 0 wrong. Was just the wrong color/ gender at the wrong time. With the wrong officer.
Edit. Ill look up the name tomorrow. I ended up being transferred to Jersey after a month to a place in camden. That was nice as hell. I even got to take a shower and a shit with no one else in the room with me.
theamazingroberto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Miami isn't a place you want to get locked up in, live in, visit, drive through, or have an airline layover in.
IssaLlama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love it here. Just don't get arrested.
theamazingroberto ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:45:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The best part about going to Miami is leaving Miami
nightwica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But I'd like to experience real life GTA Vice City :(
IssaLlama ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please stay away. We don't need your shit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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IssaLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. We have a badass over here
theamazingroberto ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:19:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL ok
countersoul ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Miami really isn't that bad lol.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are documented atrocities in Dade county but your attitude here makes me question the details of your story.
IssaLlama ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:16:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My attitude against someone being an asshole off topic makes what happened not real? How is that logic
NDoilworker ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 20:10:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, try San Rita in The bay area.
IssaLlama ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a pissing contest. Im not going to try out every horrible jail in the country because a bunch of idiots online think me getting beaten inti miscarriage and people being scalded and starved to death isn't bad enough for them. Smdh. Slither home, snake.
NDoilworker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By all means, unload on me for thinking there were worse jails than Miami. I obviously knew every detail of your experience when I commented...
radioactivebaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could've if you had read her other comments.
NDoilworker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:39:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would I research the person who wrote the comment I'm replying to, in passing?
What a weird comment.
IssaLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not research. You're literally commenting on the same thread right now
NDoilworker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I collapse child comments as default and just commented on the parent comment.
radioactivebaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you can save yourself from looking like a tool? Her reply giving details wasn't exactly buried.
NDoilworker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:05:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A tool...in her shadow, hahaha are you serious?
Look at the ruthlessness in /u/Issallama's reply to me, do you think I'm surprised she got the shit beat out of her, or that her poor decision making skills got her jail time as an expecting mother?
Furthermore, I doubt Miami is even that bad, the people who run their mouths in jail get their teeth knocked in all over the country, probably the case here in this overly exaggerated sob story.
radioactivebaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd hardly call that ruthless, but I suppose that's a matter of opinion.
IssaLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was innocent. Was found innocent. Didn't get my teeth knocked in. The other inmates actually enjoyed my company. Its not a sob story. Its what life is like for inmates in dade. You're just mad you had your bullshit called and feel the need to 'save face' by acting like you're hard.
NDoilworker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, you're just butthurt and lashing out about the thought of your experience being anything less than the worst thing on earth in the worst place on earth... not sure what you mean "called out your bullshit" and "acting hard" lmao
IssaLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:45 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And thats your goal? Odd
IssaLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because worse jails exist in the world... doesn't mean you need to downplay the severity of treatment of inmates at dade. You can speak on your incarceration in your own thread
[deleted] ยท 12534 points ยท Posted at 12:36:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ashyniqqa ยท 1076 points ยท Posted at 15:08:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DataRapist beats up normal rapist
johno456 ยท 776 points ยท Posted at 16:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He rapes but he saves
elaborated_name ยท 412 points ยท Posted at 16:57:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But he saves more than he rapes
whoopashigitt ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But still... he does rape
working878787 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:32:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But he only rapes to save!
ArtificeAdam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But will he blend?!
RolandLovecraft ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:49:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He attac He protec But mostly he rape
cestlavie922 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:43:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only Dave Chapelle could make something like that funny
MrKrazybones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chaotic Good?
AtraposJM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But he does rape
TheRealDickPoncho ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:17:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and he ONLY rapes to save!
FoppyOmega ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:40:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's like the Stephen Curry of rapes!
working878787 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's putting up real numbers
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Incremental every 20 minutes.
slamalamafistvag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The DataRapist giveth and The DataRapist taketh
Peyton_F ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But he saves more than he rapes.
blisstake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so like Rapeman?
Zulfiqaar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
..his datasets!
Chucklz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And takes incremental backups!
RiceandBeansandChees ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:55:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best kind of rapist fight.
crystalistwo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy was lucky he wasn't Data.
Tony_Brown_III ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a porno
KnowsAboutMath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I am fully functional and programed in multiple techniques."
Lord_Mormont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should see an analrapist for your violent behaviors
mushperv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The data was asking for it.
GrindyI ยท 6119 points ยท Posted at 12:39:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You fulfilled your duty as a parent, I would have done the same, no doubts about it
[deleted] ยท 4635 points ยท Posted at 12:43:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GrindyI ยท 2571 points ยท Posted at 12:47:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know a pretty good reason. Someone trying to harm a person you have nothing but unconditional love for.
Tom_Bradys_Nutsack ยท 1207 points ยท Posted at 13:15:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah and all those years of bottled up rage get an excuse to come out and play!
nickolaiatnite ยท 417 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was LITERALLY shaking with rage in a 72ยฐ house.
FlammablePaper ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 15:53:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa there Dan Brown
jpucci00 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:56:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll call my agent, pondered the prosperous scribe. He reached for the telephone using one of his two hands. โHello, this is renowned author Dan Brown,โ spoke renowned author Dan Brown. โI want to talk to literary agent John Unconvincingname.โ
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/dont-make-fun-of-renowned-dan-brown/
underbridge ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:31:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this from a post yesterday? Or is there an original source?
2wheelsrollin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:00:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha holy shit this comment brightened my day up. Meta af
Notorious_GIZ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WHO TOUCHED THE THERMOSTAT?
BRAD_JUJU ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre under 18 and wonโt be doing any time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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BRAD_JUJU ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I was quoting The Offsprings โCome out and Playโ from the Smash album. Punk song from the 90s
IShookMeAllNightLong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love your username
dda9e300-63fc-467a-9 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a better reason. He deserved it.
I-Downloaded-a-Car ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:20:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People like that should just get the death penalty. Rapists, shooters, and people who just enjoy harming people should be hung, anyone who's trying to cause harm like that just for their own sick twisted desires deserve to just be killed so they're not taking taxpayer money to keep them locked up. Rope is only a few bucks.
There's my most controversial comment of the day.
WhitestTrash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but it helps rid the gene pool of psychos. I would absolutely enjoy a good old public execution. Especially for a child molester.
WhitestTrash ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but it helps rid the gene pool of psychos. I would absolutely enjoy a good old public execution. Especially for a child molester.
WhitestTrash ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but it helps rid the gene pool of psychos. I would absolutely enjoy a good old public execution. Especially for a child molester.
rahtin ยท 765 points ยท Posted at 14:50:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the most basic primal human instincts. I doubt there was much of a "choice" to regret. As long as he was still able to move under his own power, every reptile part of your brain viewed him as a direct, present threat to your child. That's not something you can really turn on and off at will.
zoarilamb ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 15:01:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reptile?
beerdude26 ยท 324 points ยท Posted at 15:07:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Reptile brain" is often an alias for our animalistic / instinctual responses.
NeverBeenStung ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 16:19:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if you're a damn lizard person
GeorgiaOKeefinItReal ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
we all have cloacas on this blessed day
walkclothed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself
Chrisganjaweed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:51 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone is jealous of my effective breeding/waste disposal hole
Ragnrok ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:42:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, lizard people are actually so much more advanced than we are that they've completely abandoned that instinctual part of their brain.
61um1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it just doesn't work well in this context IMO because mammals are much more likely to aggressively to defend their young than reptiles.
beerdude26 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:33:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Defending your DNA is universal
Revlis-TK421 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not. Most reptiles fire & forget their offspring. Very few take care of their young.
61um1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the many reptiles that completely leave their young to fend for themselves? No mammal does that.
je1008 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad did :(
Dr_Marxist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
:/
But you can do better, so there's that!
je1008 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad didn't actually, it was just for the meme
61um1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correction: mammal mothers. In general. There are exceptions to everything.
beerdude26 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Defending your DNA is universal. In some cases like you suggested, it's easier to just spam your DNA (which is also defending your DNA)
61um1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said anything about DNA. I said mammals more often aggressively defend their young.
SoulLord ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:21:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it would be more functions of the mid brain as they include fear anger hate and maternal love the lizard brain controls more basic functions like breathing heart rate and regulating temperature
papermountain ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"mid brain" doesn't have the same ring to it.
SoulLord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
true how about paleomammalian
Kylgannon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
closer, needs more zazz...
Edit: You know... zazz
thissexypoptart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This word feels like caramel to say.
_CryptoCat_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always think monkey brain when I mean mid brain.
wolf_and_blade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The amygdala is at the core of our emotional experiences.
Glorfendail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because we are ruled by our lizard overloads!
Valdrax ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:11:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a mostly discarded way of looking at the organization of the brain according to what components are shared with our evolutionary ancestors. The "reptile" brain was the part of yourself responsible for instinctual fight or flight or dominance behaviors, and the term has outlasted the idea's scientific credibility in popular speech.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain
overthinkerman ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:10:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you never heard of the reptilian part of the human brain?
(I recognize now that if youโve never heard the term before it sounds totally made up. Itโs not an actual reptile, just meant as an analogy.)
shabadabadabada ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 16:39:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I have heard of the reptilian part of our government.
crash218579 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i.e., all of it?
feedguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong thread.
brownsfan760 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what I expected Alex Jones account username to be like.
Pako21green ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh... they dominate Reddit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...yeah, thatโs what Curt Connors used to regrow his arm!
matthias7600 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand, lizard brains really aren't much more than a cerebellum.
FencingFemmeFatale ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โLizard brainโ or โreptilian brainโ is used as a euphemism for the brain stem - the part of our brains that control automatic processes like breathing and heart rate (because itโs very similar to the entirety of a lizard brain) as well as our more basic emotions and survival instincts.
When someone says they were using their โlizard brainโ they mean they were acting on intense instinct rather that thinking clearly.
matthias7600 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:39:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The cerebellum is in some ways more of a glorified part of your spinal cord than your brain. If it had a slogan, it would be "shoot first, ask questions later." Well, that and "when in doubt, poop your pants." Results may vary.
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That remorseless, unthinking part of your brain. Like the part of it that controls your breathing and your heart rate. It just happens.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HE JUST REVEALED HIS REPTILIAN IDENTITY, KILL HIM!
wheatfields ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Lizard people. Is a conspiracy theory.
wolf_and_blade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your amygdala is referred to as the reptile brain. It's the gut instinct/emotion center.
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the "primitive" part of the brain, the first part to evolve, and a structure that we share with less advanced organisms. It deals with survival-level processes like threats, fear and so on and isn't good at being used for problem-solving or lateral thinking.
cindyscrazy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:36:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but it's different for a single parent verses a team.
My daughter's father died when she was 12, and I've never remarried and am not dating.
The short version is that she was raped in my house at the age of 14. I was in the other room (bastard closed and locked the door while I was in another room, they were not alone, but her female "friend" sort of planned it)
My daughter started screaming, and the guy was all "I didn't touch her!"
I knew he'd done something. However, my reptile brain said "get rid of asshole, bring baby to hospital" I threw the kid out of my house and immediately brought her to the hospital.
In reflection, I think it's because I knew I was the only one responsible for her at the moment, and I didn't want to go to jail myself for killing an asshole.
Strange thing too, afterward at home, reptile brain took over again. She had some better friends over to console her. One friend was going into a closet for a blanket. My daughter started crying because she was in pain. I literally shoved the friend into the closet on my way to get aspirin for my daughter. Reptile brain said "baby hurt, fix baby!"
Asshole was 18, so he was charged with statutory rape supported with DNA evidence and is in jail. My daughter's report helped another girl to come forward.
pukotoshana_murkals ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are just civilized person.
My psychology professor told this: the level of civilization is defined by the time interval between the trigger and reaction. Some would murder on the spot and would spend years locked up while being proud how good a father they are despite doing zero good for the kid; others, like you understand what responsibility means.
hiddencamela ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought I was in some form of control until I experienced this the first time.
Only happened twice but hoo man, when someone becomes a threat to the ones you love... it takes over.
rahtin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:09:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was driving with a co-worker once, and the roads were really icy and we were on his kid's bus route. He made me drive 10 minutes out of our way to make sure the bus wasn't in the ditch. He kept going off about how he was ready to throw every other kid out of the way and step on them to get to his kid.
That painted the picture for me perfectly.
Calamity_Thrives ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the reason why playing dead with a grizzly works. Movement means you are still a threat to their cubs/food/territory... And you'll be dealt with until you stop moving.
notanideologue ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except for some of the crocodilians reptiles don't form social bonds, don't form pair bonds, don't even care for their young, it's not in them to love, so NOT the reptile part of your brain.
mellamojay ยท 333 points ยท Posted at 15:27:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you. As a dad with three boys, I know without a doubt I would do the exact same thing. They would have to pull me off of the guy or he would be dead. You don't fuck with my kids.
Kthulhu42 ยท 704 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My son just turned four, came home from kindy the other day and said that they other kids locked him outside and called him a baby because he cried when he couldn't get in.
Called his teachers and spoke to them, gave him cuddles, spaghetti toasties for dinner.. Then after he was sleeping in bed I went outside and cried and hacked the shit out of the hedge in the backyard that needed a trim.
Those kids aren't even five yet but for bullying my son I just wanted to punch them. And then I feel like a dick for having those thoughts..
underbridge ยท 1182 points ยท Posted at 16:32:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Were you crying because your wife locked you out of the house while you were doing the yard work?
9mmheater ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:21:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Runs in the family
Deesing82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"YOU CAN COME INSIDE ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR CHORES"
compaqle2202x ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he needs some spaghetti toasties
erykjames ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:43:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those moments where lol actually means lol
...so lol
Take your upvote swine
octotterpus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because he's a big baby that he cried.... Baby.
Better-be-Gryffindor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like father, like son?
dekker87 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:21:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lolololol!
jay227ify ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck
playmesa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol really-good one
Unsounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worse, it was his son
dead_astronaut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:24:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
such a baby
mellamojay ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are not alone dude and it is totally normal. My wife was helping at my eldest kids school and saw my son eating with friends, when the rest got up and moved to another table. She wanted to go all mommy mode since she didn't want him to eat alone but resisted. We asked him about it at hime and he was fine. They wanted to go sit with another friend and my son was like, "Nah, I'm good here finishing my food. I'll catch up later." Parental instinct is crazy but not always necessary. It is cool seing them grow up and handle stuff on their own.
dekker87 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it is.
I got school and prison a little mixed up when my boy started pre-school.
'don't take any shit...pick a fight with the biggest and make sure you win...don't do favours for anyone and don't take favours for you from anyone...just keep your head down and do your time'
he'd only been there a few weeks when my wife and I were waiting for him outside the school one day...we're chatting to another couple we knew whose kid was also there...
teacher comes out and explains to our friends that there's been an incident and their son was hurt in an incident with another kid...she cant tell us the name as not allowed.
my wife starts being herself...telling our friends how outraged she is with that and how the kid who did it should be ashamed.
can you see where this is going?
I could sense it.
next thing our friends kid comes out with a plaster on his head.
then our little angel comes bounding out shouting 'daddy daddy I hit the bully with a lump of wood...just like you said!!'
smdh.
they're best friends these days so I guess it all worked out well but it was a little awkward at the time.
Funkentelechie ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:45:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my dad gave me the same advice when I was 6 and I ended up blacking out and attacking this girl who bullied me. I got sent home for knocking her over and trying to hit her with a rock. Good parenting or not? I don't know, but even the class psychopath stopped messing with me after that.
eazolan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'M the top psychopath now!
dekker87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm guessing you're female. i'm a man.
I moved schools when I was around 7 or so...got bullied a little by an older kid...told my dad whose responsible advice was to 'hit them on the nose as hard as you can'.
so I did.
this girls nose literally exploded across her face...teachers called parents into school and I got punished.
and my dads response was 'you don't hit girls!!'
only just realised the similarities between that and my sons situation.
sashabybee ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:57:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're a good parent too.
Mr-Blah ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:27:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like it tastes like love, safety and hope all rolled into carbs.
Recipe?
orestes77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounded good to me too, so I looked it up. Butter bread on one side, add Left-over spaghetti (or spaghetti 'Os) and cheese on unbuttered side, slap another slice of bread on top and butter it, place in sandwich press or grill in a pan.
Post to r/grilledcheese for karma....
TheDranx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
orestes77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I said post for karma....I didn't say if it would be positive or negative....
Mr-Blah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet baby jesus... That kid is spoiled.
GenuineSmile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:23:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the Griffin approach.
boogie414 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My exact feeling when i witnessed my son, then only 3, being bullied by two 5 year olds on the playground. I don't feel bad about feeling the hate for those kids. Little bastards.
WhitestTrash ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some tweens were playing at the park by our house and my son was maybe 2 years old and I watched this little girl grab another boy and shove him at my son while yelling hit the baby the boy looked mortified and tried to avoid him. I'm not one for violence but I wanted to beat that girls ass, and I told her she was lucky I didn't bend her over my knee and whoop her ass like her mom should. That when I realized the park was dead silent and I had every person watching me. I'm glad her mom wasn't there or if she was she let it go. My husband was like uhhhh we need to leave now
boogie414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
High five! I'd be lying if i said i wouldn't do the same thing and I'd be an even bigger lier if i said i still won't do it if the occasion were to arise. What the hell is wrong with some kids? Two 5 year olds ganged up on my son at the park and it look everything in me not to absolutely lose my shit on them. Mostly because their yuppy cunty mothers were there...not paying attention btw to their evil spawn. Next time i don't think I'll hold it in.
WhitestTrash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that not acceptable these kids were like 12-14 so no excuses, it's not with 5 year olds either.
boogie414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that makes it beyond unacceptable! I'm actually speachless that a kid that old would be so nasty to pretty much a baby. Wtaf? I'm telling you they start young though.
WhitestTrash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true it's disturbing. But all we can do is hope We raise our kids right.
Alco111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly because they are not very old that shit like this happens. Don't get me wrong, what happened to your kid is terrible and should not be tolerated, but your best weapon is to try and understand. Kids that age have not yet developed the part of the brain that controls responses such as sympathy. That's why it is the adults job at kindy to correct that behavior and explain why it is not acceptable. Sadly it is part of a small humans development phase, experimenting and trying things, including bullying. But you have to believe when I say that kids that age most likely just don't know any better and does not yet have the capability to understand what they are doing is wrong. I'm not trying to diminish what happened to your son just consider that it might not be the kids that are to blame but evolution. And later in life, bad parenting
AmbivalentFanatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dad of two here. I have learned there is absolutely no point in getting mad at five year olds for anything they do. They don't have any self awareness yet. They really don't know why they do anything. Sorry your kid got hurt, but he'll be ok. He'll take his cues about how to deal with this from you.
realistlx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
off topic and i'm not a parent but what can you do if your child is being bullied? usually when i read threads i put myself in the shoes of the person and try to figure a way that i would respond to it but with your situation i don't know what to do
Kthulhu42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With kids so young it's best to talk to the teachers and get them to facilitate better compassion and understanding between children. They have to figure things out between themselves, so the teachers won't usually intervene unless someone is getting hurt, but will for instance, unlock the door and get everyone together to discuss how it would make you feel etc or whether it is nice to exclude someone.
NotAGangMember ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I crying right now? Fuck. I'm sorry man. My son's not quite that old, but just the thought breaks my heart.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's really strange to read. My dad would have just told me to suck it up and stop whining. I love my dad, he's not an uncaring person, but when you're a kid, you gotta learn that you can't go whining to mommy and daddy because the other kids are teasing you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people feel that way until they have a kid, or a niece/nephew and it happens to them.
CallMeOatmeal ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:03:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's okay some kids deserve to get punched.
edit 1: downvotes, seriously? Probably parents with kids who deserve to be punched
edit 2: okay this is getting out of control. Have you really not met a child you would like to punch?
edit 3: maybe I came off a little strong. I want to be clear, I don't want to or like to punch children. Only a small percentage of children deserve to be punched
edit 4: wow you guys are a bunch of JSW's
edit 5: the downvote button is not a disagree button you sheeple!
edit 7: This is why I hate reddit. You people really make me want to punch a small child.
labrev ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you getting rapid response DMs or something? Your post has been up for 20 minutes with 7 edits but no replies.
CallMeOatmeal ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:34:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's what the MSM wants you to think
throwaway13376663432 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
u cheeky cunt lol
CallMeOatmeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
at least someone appreciates my humor lol
labrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did the joke fly right over my head!? Now, I feel silly...
CallMeOatmeal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'm just being an idiot, wasn't serious with all the edits.
labrev ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sat here for a second and thought "perhaps he's commenting on how the community can be the overly sensitive" -- which wouldn't be wrong.
dekker87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
upvote from me.
what's a JSW btw?
CallMeOatmeal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure, heard other people saying it and thought it sounded cool.
Lampyris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably thinking of the term "SJW", which stands for "Social Justice Warriors".
CallMeOatmeal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:07:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, that sounds even cooler. Warriors, come out to play-ay!
WhitestTrash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna start snapping I'll meet you on the train.
TheDranx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds cool but it's really the opposite.
CallMeOatmeal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound a bit jealous my friend. We can't all be warriors.
JSW WARRIORS UNITE!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are spaghetti toasties?
Also maybe you can just beat up those bully kidโs dads?
Oolonger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โKindyโ makes me think Australia or New Zealand, so thatโs be spaghetti hoops on toast, if my memory serves.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:40:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that sounds vile and not at all what I was expecting.
Why do Britain and all the common wealths besides US and Canada have such gay names for things?
Oolonger ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:51:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because we arenโt insecure.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 16:53:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think thatโs it.
SamuraiBadger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Why do you people give things names that like men?! Wait, that doesn't make sense.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
US is not commonwealth though genius. .
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it pretty much is. Anglo-sphere would be better. Besides, thatโs not the point you damned fool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your point doesn't matter because what you said makes no meaningful point anyway.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it does, you just donโt agree that โlooโ โfairy breadโ โspaghetti toastiesโ โrooty tooty pointy shootyโ are extremely ridiculous and stupid terms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scene so much.
Morefoodplease ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad can beat up your dad?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, the ultimate playground equalizer.
TimtheBigDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:50 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My dad is Hafรพรณr Jรบlรญus Bjรถrnsson!"
devilsadvocado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a father of two boys, I understand where you're coming from, but you're going to have to toughen up a bit if you want to survive your kid's growing up. I also don't recommend raising your son to be a total softie if you want him to make it through adolescence. What you described is nothing compared to the knocks that come later in life, and is actually pretty normal kindergarten behavior. Most of those "bullies" will learn empathy over time; some learn it sooner than others, of course. Only a small percentage never learn it.
But wanting to punch them is definitely an overreaction.
Ehalon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ACTUALLY punching 5 year-olds is of course wrong.
Being angry and upset for some amorphous beings hurting your child mentally and pysically, and wanting to do something to prevent and punish is absolutely fine IMO. You beat crap out of a bush, not children who bullied.
I'm no psychatrist but I think having those thoughts is totally normal. Acting as you did (by not acting on them) is perfectly healthy. One internet weirdo agrees with you, that settles the matter! :D
Peace X
Crazygal1997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait.... spaghetti toasties? Why have I never tied that
lahimatoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What?
UninvitingBitchFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god. My daughter just turned four as well and having this happen to her is one of my biggest fears
TXDRMST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this wasn't the important part of your post, but Spaghetti toasties sounds good, what is it?
Kthulhu42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A grilled sandwich, containing cheese, canned spaghetti, sausage..
They're my sons favorite comfort food. When I have them I prefer cheese, shredded chicken, sweet chilli sauce.. maybe some fresh spinach.
They're made in a thing similar to a waffle iron, that presses the edges of the bread together so the filling is in a kind of pocket. You can get them pretty much anywhere in NZ.
TXDRMST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I know what I'm doing for dinner.
Kthulhu42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let me know what you think!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the neighbour kids spat on my chemo-riding son while he was at school.
He got up, chased the kid, tackled him, held him down and hocked a loogie in his face.
We were called, the other parents were called. We walked into the headteacher's office, sat down, told her that there had better not be any action against our kid, took him for ice cream.
The other kid's parents didn't say shit, moved house a couple months later. At school, their kid won't go near my kid at all. I guess he learned not to fuck with him.
Deravi_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good parent. But please dont use "kindy" with adults
nudista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a parent of two boys same age, I would want to bitch slap those kids SO hard. Defo can relate to crying in anger instead.
vikkivinegar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hearing that story I want to punch those asshole kids too. I don't even know you and I get so freaking mad thinking about that. Sounds like you did the mature thing and that boy is lucky to have you!
Dredly ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse when its girls bullying your kid because your kid is to much of a decent human being to beat the fuck out of them for being little cunts...
Ragnrok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Punch them! It'll be awesome!
beyerch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you. We some issues with our youngest at the Catholic school. Not kids, but a teacher. Took a lot of restraint to not hurt someone.
allinonemom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are not a dick.
alowester ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hang on what are spaghetti toasties they sound gooder then a bitch
dekker87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
me too.
good friend of mine however ended up attacking an old man who was bringing his kid back after he got lost and fell over and hurt himself.
old fella found him crying and was walkin him home. mate sees his son holding hands with an old bloke and went into one.
smh.
Figpucker443 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm of the "you fuck with my family I fuck with yours" school of thought. Don't want to find grandma's bits in 6 different dumpsters? Keep your hands to yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM-ME-YOUR-HANDBRA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...
Mommasaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a mom to 2 boys and I would do the same. I'm always giving people the side eye in case someone decides to move fast.
Arfman2 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 14:03:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh if someone tried to abduct my daughter he or she would be in a world of pain. Totally understandable.
NotTheRightAnswer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The pain wouldn't last long if someone tried that with one of my kids. I don't CCW because I like the way it compliments my waist size, I carry it so I can protect me and mine.
ginzykinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt say this for sure, as Iโve never been in the situation and hopefully never will be, but I have kids and canโt imagine a scenario where I wouldnโt literally kill the scum. Without even necessarily intending to
NeverBeenStung ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So the dude just tried to walk up to a kid and take her? In public and in front of her mom?
N7even ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 13:47:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rightly so I say. A person like that deserves every hit you landed.
Leon_UnKOWN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the once he missed
Steffisews ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/04/us/accused-molester-is-killed-in-court.html
throwaway13376663432 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The difference I see here is that OP hit a fucker trying to steal his kid and that story says someone accused of molesting was killed.
See the difference?
Also child rapists and molesters get bullets and beatings from me too :)
zorinlynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy probably did deserve it, but I'm surprised to learn some court buildings in the country don't check everyone who comes in for weapons like they do here.
bitJericho ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10/10 would drop charges again - Judge probably
dontFart_InSpaceSuit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep, that will do it.
TheFire_Eagle ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:09:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My only concern with responding immediately with violence is that there could be a misunderstanding in the situation. Like that guy in Florida who beat the shit out of the guy who was walking his unattended 3 year old around trying to find the kid's parents. Dad assumed the stranger was a predator and beat the shit out of him.
Numerous witnesses confirmed the guy was just trying to help. But that didn't stop the guy from blasting his victim's info all over the web calling him a child molester.
pdxchris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy in Texas was beat to death by a mob because they thought he was trying to run people over with his car. They beat up the wrong guy.
Audric_Sage ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm pretty sure that was the best possible option. Even if you intended to kill him then and there I can't say you'd be in the wrong.
I'm a positive person, I like to believe in rehabilitation, but forgiveness is a luxury, not a given.
labrev ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's not right to take the law into your hands. Apprehending the guy then letting the police sort it out would have saved him from going to jail.
Audric_Sage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm saying is that, as much as I don't think he should've done what he did, I can't blame him. There's a reason his charges were dropped.
_CryptoCat_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs something about protecting your children that does that.
queefiest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did this all go down? What did he do? I have kids myself and I know how important it is to protect them.
jg87iroc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The dad instincts are absolutely incredible; truly a work of art by evolution. I have never experienced anything that serious but once when I was walking in the woods with my 4yr old this very large and aggressive dog came sprinting towards us teeth showing and barking. I have never experienced the following mindset in my life. It wasnโt fight or flight; I have been in a lot of stupid situations in my youth that would deliver huge shots of fight or flight, and this was very different(though it has to be grounded in it I would assume) It was like a calmness came over me and the world didnโt exist. Just me and the dog. He stopped running but stood growling 5 feet away. He went to bark and I guess I screamed, in an authoritative way, itโs almost hard to remember. We did this dance for several minutes of him trying to see if he could gain additional ground towards me but every time I meet his advances with aggression and finally he slightly lowered his head and walked away. Anyway, itโs not my actions that make it such an amazing experience, itโs that it felt like my deep recesses of evolution took over, I wasnโt thinking about anything at all, the least not what I was going to do. It was just this total zen blankness or pure action and reaction. Afterwards my body was completely loose and calm and I had a normal heart rate. It sounds a lot like fight or flight, because of course on some level it is, but it was so different that it felt totally foreign. Did you experience anything like that? Did you feel emotion after the initial hit that Iโm sure came once you saw the situation?
Wyliecody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a father, in that situation violence is really expected. He knew if he was caught by a parent he was gonna catch a beating. I donโt even know why you were arrested.
z64dan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The more dead he is, the less he can take your kid. Pretty simple.
scottevil110 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure nearly everyone with kids would respond with untethered violence that we didn't even know we were capable of.
TwitchMoments_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am glad you can go to bed at night knowing you protected your family when the action called for it, even risking going to prison. You can call yourself a real role model.
Human_musics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know why you got charged at all. If a parent tells me someone was walking off with their kid and they answered with violence Iโd chalk that up as price of admission.
You try to take someoneโs kid you get your ass beat.
I would have gotten statements from you and your wife and maybe had an SVU detective do a forensic interview on your child.
I ainโt charging a parent protecting his kid. No way.
That said, I hope you fucking wrecked that dude.
EDIT: Lol reddit. Guess yaโll hate cops more than you like that one is upset that a dad who kept his kid from being abducted was put in jail.
bdubbs09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of everyone (I hope), a sincere thank you.
Texastexastexas1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
My mother allowed her husband to rape her young daughters for 5 years.
themarxian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am very alarmed by all these responses. I can only assume you are mostly americans.
Edit: I will let it stand so everyone can see, but I definetely regret the last comment about americans. That is no way to start a constructive debate.
sharkbaitzero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
themarxian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the impulse, but condoning beating someone without inhibitions is just uncivil. The point of courts is to decide these things fairly. As others have pointed out, what if it was a misunderstanding?
The police has a monopoly on violence (that is not self defense) for a reason.
As I said, i definetely understand the impulse, and do think it should be taken into consideration under sentencing, but it completely undermines the rule of law.
It is not something that should be encouraged.
omahamyhomaha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:28:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you are childless.
themarxian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that is true.
I also said that I definetely understand the impulse.
But when we all have agreed on a foundation for society, that courts sentence and carry out punishment, that is something we all have a responsibility for, no matter what happens.
And can you please not use that argument, because it contributes nothing to the discussion other than trying to discredit me personally. Please respond to what I said if you disagree.
omahamyhomaha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I maybe would have agreed with you before having kids. One of my first thoughts when holding my minute old baby was one of pure insanity. I'm looking around the room at nurses and doctors thinking if anyone tries to harm my baby I will end them all. I'm not and have never been violent. Something changes when you are holding your creation. This was primal, nothing that could be controlled by reason or rational thought. Society meant nothing to me in that moment.
themarxian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I really get it. Not really, because I have never felt it.
I am not judging this person. Personally, I also feel good reading about this person ยซgetting what they deserveยป.
What I have a problem with is the way everyone is cheering it. I agree that you should be judged differently, even in many cases be completely excempt from all charges. But it is not a good thing to do, and I think we should aknowledge that.
sharkbaitzero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get what youโre saying and I do agree to a point. For most things yes, let the police do their jobs. But as soon as someone becomes a threat to the safety of those around them (like trying to nab a kid, force someone to do something unwillingly, shoot up a crowd, etc) I think it should be the duty of the general populace to neutralize the threat if they have the capability because more damage can occur while waiting for law enforcement to show up.
themarxian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:28:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and I am really sorry if i was not clear enough.
My problem is people cheering someone being beaten down, and also trivializing it. There is a difference between neutralizing someone and bashing them, and I feel like a lot of these comments are condoning bashing people if youre mad enough.
foxtrottits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did the guy physically grab your daughter and start carrying her away, or was he trying to be friendly and try to get her to come with him somewhere? I'm only asking cuz I get kinda paranoid about this kind of stuff. Like what are the signs someone is gonna make a pass at your kid? Sorry if this comes across as insensitive, I really don't mean it that way.
infinitude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you, Datarapist
ReVaas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's gotta be instinct
Fuck_my_life1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe keep an eye on your kid? Sounds like you and your wife were both being careless.
PoisonousPlatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:49 on March 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you're a real piece of shit.
crikey- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You never should have been arrested.
HDThoreauaway ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:59:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nnnnnyeah he should have (just as the court system was right, in my opinion, to release him soon after). Police do have some leeway deciding who to arrest and who to let go free. (One situation where this often occurs is when there would be a cross-complaint and instead both parties decide not to press charges, which very obviously wasn't going to happen here.)
But for good reason, it's not up to a responding police officer to decide whether a man beating another man to death with his fists should go free because his fury was justified or the other guy deserved it.
pdxchris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That should be the only right reaction. Decades of research have shown that you canโt reform a pedophile. Euthanasia is the only proven method.
I-Downloaded-a-Car ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if you'd have gotten off if you had killed him? Because honestly if that happened I'd probably have shot him. I wouldn't shoot anyone unless they were trying to harm somebody I care about but in that case I think it's perfectly acceptable to end someone's life.
rbiqane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what exactly happened? Somebody just picked him up?
Was he mentally unstable? Confused? Was he talking to the kid first? Did he inappropriately touch him somehow? Being him into the bathroom and strip him down?
I find it hard to believe he got 10 years for picking up a person, making it a couple feet away, and not even exiting the store.
Mile_Wide_Inch_Deep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was the guy physically taking your kid?
Totally_a_Banana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit id do the same thing in your situation. I have a 1.5 year old and we're expecting no. 2 soon (later this year).
If someone ever tried pulling that shit on my children you can bet theyd get more than just a stern talking to from my fist. The feet, knees and elbows would join in on the physical reprimand as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Totally_a_Banana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thx :)
Rancor_Keeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yah, I'm just gonna put this right here. You probably did what every good-hearted parent would want to do for their kid.
TerminalBrilliance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You were doing God's work that day.
Unclehouse2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I was in your shoes, I would have done the exact same things. Luckily for the guy, people pulled you off. I would have a hard time not beating him to death or until both hands were sufficiently broken.
landoindisguise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You 100% did the right thing (as I'm sure you know). Glad you got off so fast, but even if it came to trial I can't imagine any jury on earth would convict you for that.
The_LastShadowPuppet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd do the same. if someone touches my little girl, i will touch him.
7H3D3V1LH1M53LF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Violence is never the answer. Violence is the question. Sometimes, the answer is โyesโ.
LordHades301 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never believe anyone who says you aren't a hero for that. You saved the most important thing in your life and literally the scum of the earth was caught. You go on my hero list...... DataRapist....
calzenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have written this before...
The best way to flip the 'kill switch' in a human is to attempt to hurt their child. Right there several thousand years of civilized behaviour goes out the window and one turns into a psychotic chimp.
sorenkair ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought a lot about what went through Jon's mind when he stopped beating Ramsay and looked up to see Sansa watching him. Was it shame at his loss of self-control (being someone who greatly values discipline), or remembering her share of suffering and deciding to 'save some for her'? Sansa showing a darker side was cool but I feel conflicted about Jon acting with malicious intent.
Royal-Al ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidental username
ShinyAeon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I think almost anyone would.
Nor should you have any.
gigglefarting ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve never been in a fight because Iโve just never been pushed that far. Trying to abduct my kid would get me seeing red.
Rorbotron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck wouldn't? I don't get why you even get put in for a damn court date if a KNOWN sex offender tries to abduct your child. If someone tried to do that to my kid the least they are catching is a beating and the only reason they aren't getting killed is because I wouldn't want to get sent off to jail
As a parent you occasionally run yourself through these scenarios and DREAD the idea that it could ever happen. My son is my everything. It's crazy how quickly it can all get snatched away, just as it's easy to be incredibly paranoid. I don't fall into the latter category but it's hard not to that's for sure. It wasn't long ago i was reading about people stalking families in ikea of all places to snag up kids. I guess because that place becomes like a maze and before you know it the kid is in the wind. Insane.
mattylou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy's face would have been tartare by the time i was done with him, I'd drag his bleeding ass to the pantry aisle and pour salt into his wounds and still not feel vindicated.
Messisfoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to play Devil's Advocate here, OP's duty as a parent was to prevent their child from getting abducted.
Beating the would-be abductor after preventing said abduction has nothing to do with parental duty.
That being said, I would have probably done the same. I just wouldn't call it "my parental duty" to hand out an ass whupin. that would be more to fulfill primitive desires for revenge.
Figpucker443 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:55:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should see a doctor, bro. You might have low testosterone. It would explain your aversion to violence.
If that was my kid I'd whip out my gun and fuck that guy right in his ass while everyone watches. He'd leaking cum all over the seats of the squad car like the fucking degenerate he is.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Figpucker443 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What, 47 whole minutes and no response? It's because you and I both know you have nothing to say. You're not willing to do what it takes to protect your loved ones from harm. Your kids probably aren't even yours anyway. Your wife makes you live in a shed while her boyfriend gets the master bedroom.
Figpucker443 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:21:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you plan on having kids some day you should see a doctor bro. Even if you live in a shithole country where you can't afford one at least start lifting. After a few months of gains you'll be thinking like a healthy red-blooded male instead of a limp-wristed pussy who lets his loved ones come to harm. Trust me homeslice it's for your own good.
pariah13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:13 on March 11, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My sincerity scares me as I type this. I'm a father of two and I don't know if I would be able to stop the beating. Someone would most likely need to restrain me. I'm not a violent person and never have been but fatherhood does something to you. I have had this fear all my life. I have two daughters and if I ever find out that they were assaulted in anyway I'm frightened of what I would do. I've made my wife aware of my fears. I know the logical thing is to be there for my girls as much as humanly possible but I have this nagging feeling that I will track down their abuser and do something awful. I struggle with that every time I hear something on the news or read about an assault in the newspaper.
bgzlvsdmb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would happily go to jail if it meant I got to beat the shit out of someone trying to abduct my kid.
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 14:36:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fisid ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:43:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
shut up it sounds good and make me happy
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:18:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ignorance is bliss, is that it?
fisid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol jealous
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jealous of what exactly?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:53:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
GrindyI ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:46:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure that this has happened to at least one person in the world even if not really for him and I would always say the same
mellamojay ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:34:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it that hard for you to imagine that there is an entire world of stuff happening? If the guy is lying... who cares. The point remains that any parent can relate to. You fuck with someone's kid like that, the parental instinct is to destroy that person. Try it out for yourself. Go up to some loving family and just call one of their kids an "ugly little fucking brat". I'd bet 9/10 times you end up if a fight and you didn't even threaten any real lasting harm to the kid.... but based on your reply I am betting you had another kind of parents.
overthinkerman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:13:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do I have proof that youโre you? I need some if Iโm to believe this comments real and not just some bot. You know this is the internet, right?
P.s. I bet youโre super fun at parties.
rahtin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that's just an actor right? That's Bryan Cranston, his name isn't Walter White and he doesn't have lung cancer. Moron.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it would be dumb if someone actually responded to Cranston like he was Walter White. No one portrayed BB as truth, like this comment is insinuating.
[deleted] ยท 1641 points ยท Posted at 16:36:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ClassySavage ยท 974 points ยท Posted at 17:27:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One more reason Market Basket is amazing. If that was at a walmart or similar he probably would have been fired.
For Redditors out of Market Basket's area, it's a budget grocery store that actually treats it's employees decently well. A couple years ago there was a coup that pushed out the down to earth CEO and installed someone who wanted to strip mine the brand. Staff and customers boycotted the chain, I've never seen the stores so empty. The good CEO regained control and things returned to normal.
How often do you see customers (especially at a budget brand) care enough to join a protest? It was wild.
Alblaka ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 17:44:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll memorize the name if I ever have to go shopping during a visit to the states. Gotta support those kind of companys.
livin4donuts ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:03:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a New England chain, with probably 30 stores or so. They have extremely good prices as well.
Travy93 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:52:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot more than 30. It's at least 70+.
tnyalc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:44:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm in Salem NH. We have two basically across the street (maybe a quarter mile down the road) from each other. They are both always packed.
leggygypsy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why anyone even goes to the little market basket when the new fancy one is right up the road.
sgrmm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...and they have plans to build another huge one just up the road at the old Rockingham race track. Not sure if this new superstore will result in the closing of one or both of those smaller locations.
shminion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are in the south as well. Not the west coast though.
ClassySavage ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:13:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of the day it's still just a cheap regional grocery store so don't expect too much, it's just nice to see a company treat its people well these days.
CrazedChimp ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:43:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While Iโll admit thatโs technically true, I easily have more passion for Market Basket than any other chain business. Costco is the only other company I can think of thatโs comparable for me.
theangryintern ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:05:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A Costco just opened up like a mile from my house, I literally have to drive on one road to get there, it's fantastic!
RaginMango ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who lived in Florida and moved to Massachusetts a few years ago, Publix beats it. Cool to hear that they take care of their employees though
RoomaRooma ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's great if you know how to cook without following a recipe - the produce there tends to rotate out based on what's available at good prices. If you want to make something specific that's out of season there's a chance you'll need to head somewhere else. If you are good at making substitutions or coming up with the recipe based on what's available - Market Basket is your place.
Forgottensoul89 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:55:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Market Basket employees and customers love Arthur T.
Humpsoss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went in one near Peabody, MA one morning hungover looking for something to eat......oh yeah that's right. I still have pictures of all the empty produce aisles.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The one on Endicott Street? I used to work there. Still see the same people workin there 10 years later. For being just a grocery store it's pretty nuts how many lifetime employees they got.
SkienceIsReal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basket to the casket.
Travy93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work there now lol
Humpsoss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the one, it was the closest and the one we always went to from 2011-2015. Crazy seeing it empty when it was always packed. Great prices, insane customers lol.
Gus_B ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love Market Basket place is awesome. Always funny seeing local places here on Reddit. If you're into BBQ and you don't have a Costco or are in a BBQ Desert (like MA) their butchers are awesome and will get you exactly what you need if you ask.
itssarahw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:49:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't love Market Basket any more than I already do. I'm well outside the area where any of their stores are but as a former employee with family and friends who work there, they have my loyalty whenever there's one nearby.
They take such good care of all employees between pay, bonuses, profit sharing and time off. Even caring about sick relatives they've never met. The end result of the protests still gives me goosebumps.
One thing I learned that was very interesting is that they avoid debt by owning the entire property where their stores are. If anyone saw The Founder, this was a big point they made in a turning point in strategy.
I'll take any opportunity I can to gush about this company. They are great to their customers and employees and still turn a hefty profit. I wish more would follow their model.
FA_Anarchist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's fine for a supermarket I guess. I'm not going to lie though I worked there for two years and absolutely fucking hated it, most miserable two years of my life. There seems to be this myth that everyone who works there enjoys their job, and it isn't at all true in my experience. I'm sure it's a bit different for full-time managers, but lower level associates tend to only enjoy it marginally more than being unemployed.
itssarahw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Completely understand what you're talking about; I quit working there before I even graduated college. My friends that are still there have turned down a couple of offers to go the manager route. They told me that then it meant that then they were there forever.
It's super easy to set my own realty. The day that my hours were cut at a different company, I saw my MB friends and they were complaining on the day they got a semi-annual guaranteed bonus. They think I've got it made behind a desk all day, I can't imagine year-round great healthcare and profit sharing. Completely 'grass is always greener'.
Hope you've moved onto bigger and better but still go grocery shopping there because you can't beat those prices.
Starkravingmad7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is because it was in New England. Never have I met more fervent activists than people from New Hampshire.
wecook123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Artie FTW
CargoCulture ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Market Basket is fucking rad and I miss it like hell.
Laureltess ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, MB is my favorite- I drive farther to buy from them than the stop and shop down the road, their selection, ESPECIALLY produce, and prices are way better. They don't always bag my stuff correctly but I still love it.
A note- I was in college during that strike/boycott and worked at a competing supermarket while I was home. Never seen the store that busy!
IWantALargeFarva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for explaining the coup.
I'm from Nj so we don't have Market Baskets. But a few years ago, I was driving to Maine. We pulled off the highway for a bathroom stop for my kids and ended up at a Market Basket. It was during this protest and everything was so eerie. We asked one of the protesting employees to explain a little bit, but she didn't do the greatest job. Now I feel like an ass for shopping there. (But the 4 year old had to pee, so it was what it was.)
justjoerob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was up in Methuen this past October visiting family. To go into a grocery store at 8pm and see EVERY register manned was...well it was something else.
Can't wait to go back, Market Basket rocks.
crystalistwo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you didn't boycott it?
ClassySavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Driving by an empty parking lot is obvious enough. Local news had a bunch of photos of empty shelves inside too.
mankiller27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I wish we had these in NYC. All we have is Trader Joe's and Whole Foods.
ClassySavage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Growing up with Market Basket my family saw Trader Joes as the expensive hippy option. It blew my mind that Trader Joes is the cheap option in other states. (Worked in Vermont and Michigan, I've heard that's true in New York and New Mexico too.
mankiller27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's very true in Manhattan, not so much most other places. It's the only place with low prices I can find. I wish there was a Stop & Shop down here like there was when I lived in the Bronx.
TheBoldManLaughsOnce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Fairway. And C-Town. And Met. And Key Food. And Associated. And too many independent green grocers to count.
Not to mention Zabar's and Sahadi's.
mankiller27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I miss living in the Bronx for those stores. Except Fairway. They are expensive as all hell. In Manhattan, everything costs more. Not just rent.
Rancor_Keeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good ol' Market Bucket. I shopped their as a broke college kid on a shoestring budget and still ate like a king.
venatiodecorus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep i used to work there and had a lot of friends still working there during the protests. its not the most glamorous job but they respect the work you put in. seems like one of the few places left these days that someone with no education could start part time and end up making a career of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Walmart would have fired him...because there are a bunch of stupid protocol shit and he still would have assaulted a customer. To be completely the only way you wouldn't be fired for fighting a customer if it was self-defense or there is a shooter in the building
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ClassySavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only New England I think.
SomeDumbGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact! My market basket sells dragon fruit, pepino melons, jackfruit, and those weird green pear shaped fruits.
commandrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I vaguely remember that case. Reminded me most of that time Krispy Kreme tried to change its recipe and the fans revolted. You don't mess with brands that people love.
MustacheEmperor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO how generous "we have ousted your boss but we won't fire you yet if you come back from protesting"
notnAP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like most people in northeast Massachusetts, market basket/demoulas was my first job. Still shop there today and always have, except during the boycott.
arafatkazi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wiley?
ClassySavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that an observation of cleverness, a guess at my name, or some coded bs? I knew a Wiley, but then he started sexting a minor and got his ass arrested.
arafatkazi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. I have a friend called Wiley who raves about Market Basket all the time. I thought you were him.
Ganjisseur ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:15:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โJust say old man!โ
expos1225 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:31:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for uplifting story and especially for Market Basket
LetsGoAllTheWhey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you just love happy endings?
Thestick90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โItโs just old man!โ
tastyratz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me warm and fuzzy inside to read, and proud/happy to shop there regularly.
Good on you MB
vikkivinegar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just old man! Don't call him old black man!
(it's an Always Sunny reference before i get too much hate)
mfdanger33 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:02:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is him being black relevant to the story at all?
CheroCole ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just say โold manโ!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:03:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why yes, yes it is. Why? Because in the living memory of some of us, he might not have been treated so well. Even if that weren't the case, it helps us create an image in our mind.
Let's take the "don't say black man" argument to its absurdist conclusion. Just say person. For all we know, it was an 11 year old blonde white girl who was really good at Tae Kwon Do and took him down.
HDThoreauaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That he was old is relevant because it makes taking that sort of action riskier (more serious consequences of injury, less likely to be able to overpower the other person), and because he retired afterward (that'd be weird for someone in their 20's or even 40's to do).
That he was a man also illustrates the situation: given our different average physiques, a woman engaging in the same action would likely have been at greater risk of injury to her person than a man. In fact, to your point, if an eleven-year-old girl took out the attacker, that would be a totally different story that's interesting for completely different reasons -- but again, her being blonde and white really doesn't add anything unless there's something specific and contextual that makes those details add to the story.
That he was black seems totally immaterial to this story. It doesn't inform his motive or his stakes, and doesn't really have anything to do with how he was treated or what people thought of him, even if there was a time when black people were treated worse (which we're not here talking about and OP didn't mention).
If OP added some detail like, "his manager was a terrible racist but after that day treated him with much more respect and rethought his views," perhaps there would be some sort of relevance, but without that, no, it just seems like it's immaterial to the story. So it raises the question: what about his race, specifically, made OP think it was important to include and so obvious it didn't need further explanation?
-KyloRen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn I love Market Basket
SleepySwampert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Badass story, good for him!
drkhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Demoulas for the win!!!
Halvus_I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For clarity: Shoplifting = let them go, abducting a kid = interfere if you can. No one is getting fired for stopping a child abduction.
WickThePriest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just gotta ask, what part of this story does the black man's race come into play? Does mentioning he's black make the story better? Or is it a needless detail you felt obligated to include for some reason?
Because I didn't see you mention the sheriff's, the manager's, the little boy, or the abductor's race. Just...uh...wondering what you thought mentioning that one character out of 5 was black would do for your story. That's all. Just curious.
whitehat511 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His name? Albert Einstein
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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whitehat511 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, lighten up
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Race matters..why?
I'm going to sound like a complete dick, I'm not trying to be just asking but hey ho - I realise it looks bad.
Thanks for sharing your story, it was nice to read :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Ehalon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I personally have never seen a problem with that:
Me - Me W - My wife
That could be - Blonde, short, red shirt with no sleeves.
I don't see a problem, it is a descriptor as you said. I only pointed it out because it didn't seem to need a descriptor but hey, I wasn't there!
Cheers :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mehhh it's no great problem mate. We are ALL pattern recognition creatures, and if you are non-black yourself (or even if so), then it is possible the skin colour of the Security Hero holds more meaning for you.
Again, we all think like this.
The Alien Hand shows Racial Bias study proves this. In binary and brief, both white and black people feel more empathy to a clearly alien skin tone than to a human skin tone which is different to their own (we can assume this extends to all folks, South and East Asian, Aboriginal, Native etc).
I wish I could find the original study, but I'm sooo tired.
I absolutely am NOT calling you a racist. I just found it interesting that you specified skin colour when there was no reason to - something I have been very guilty of myself.
Without becoming an 'SJW Snowflake', I believe it is worth noticing and amending our 'words' in this way.
Anyway, thank you for being so polite and receptive to my rambling, and all the best X.
jinjjanamja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who wants to take a road trip with me from LA to San Diego to hit up a Market Basket? hahaha
xyentist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're only in New England. That's gonna be a long road trip.
jinjjanamja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.... I completely goofed that google search... I feel so smart hahahah
NotSpoken1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept waiting for the part where the old man being black would become relevant to the story. Never did. Why the need to mention it?
McFlyyouBojo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:49:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered how other prisoners learn of your crime that quick. I mean eventually they will hear it on news, but how do they already know while he is being booked?
IShouldLiveInPepper ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:13:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as someone who's been arrested twice and also previously worked in a prison as a CO, there is no reason the other inmates should know what he did. I'm not necessarily calling B.S. on the guy's story, not every jail is the same, but it definitely raised a red flag. The officers aren't announcing what you did to other inmates at intake.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:54:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm calling bullshit. I've been through the system at a couple of different locations. I've also worked at target before
Theelderginger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only way I can think of is if maybe a guard tells them?
imgonnatbagu ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 14:40:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised you had to โreadโ about his conviction when you were the main witness and the abductee was your child.
[deleted] ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 14:47:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MaFratelli ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:56:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a company with such legendarily bad IT (i.e., the credit card debacle), Target's asset protection division is no joke. I have no doubt that they had the ability to follow both of you on video from arrival in the parking lot all the way up to the police carrying you both off the property, from multiple camera angles with slow-motion playback like an NFL replay. You surely had everything you needed to be exonerated from any wrongdoing.
morosco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:37:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should have been notified for every hearing, and about the plea agreement before it was entered into. Every state has some kind of victim right statute that requires that type of notification. It's actually kind of shocking that that wouldn't happen in a child abduction case - prosecutor's offices have victim witness coordinators whose only job is to support and keep the victim notified throughout the entire process.
EAPSER ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:32:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did he just try and grab your kid? Man as a new father this is terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:41:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:11:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Pat2424 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are any of your papers open to the public?
strangerkindness ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The papers go to a different school, you wouldn't know them.
KoneyIsland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:56:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao this comment made my night, thanks.
Juiceboxhero90 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:27:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why does target to the extra mile on security? Surely the cost of implementing and running a superb security system drastically outweighs the cost of stolen product. Is there a second reason they want a high standard of security?
JusticeRings ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what they do is centralize their security. Instead of having decent security at hundreds of Targets they have a world class base that handles the security for all of the Targets in the US. By pooling resources they can dispatch teams to problem areas with vastly more resources then other wise would be available.
The reason they do it is the huge amount of theft they experience, each store experiences upwards of a half million of theft a year. The money adds up, it has been a long time but I vaguely remember their security costs to be less then ten percent of the projected numbers if they did not do it.
Juiceboxhero90 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense. didn't know they lost that much to theft. thanks for the comment
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rmullen522 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of stuff would they take? That seems like a lot of money, it's not like they're stealing tv's and stuff right?
FigMcLargeHuge ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea how much these stores lose to theft. I am sure you add it up over a number of stores and you could easily fund your own A-Team.
Juiceboxhero90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I didn't know it was that bad. Check out /r/shoplifting that place is nuts.
Stumblin_McBumblin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm not the guy you responded to, but I've read a few stories about Wal-Mart security apparatus on here, which is probably similar to Target. These places are all across the nation, and in some depressed areas. They are often targets of thefts by individuals that are done over time at one location, or across several in a certain geographic area, and can be many, many thousands of dollars to tens of thousands of dollars. The average security guard at these places is your average security guard, but they have security teams that they send out for high level theft, and probably the OPs case too (abduction), to deal with it at a professional level.
Huhsein ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called shrink, either through theft or getting lost that stores try and control. Each chain has a level of shrink they deem acceptable, start going beyond those levels and measures need to be taken. Why do you think Wal-mart checks a receipt now on the way out? It rarely stops/catches thieves but it helps notice the case of water or dog food that the cashier is too lazy to look for.
But some stores you simply don't steal from, Target is one and my daughter found out Gordman's is another. They prosecute and they follow through. And then they ban you for life, she walked into Gordmans a few years later and had the police called on her for trespassing. They knew, they recognized and they acted swiftly, so they probably run some kind of facial recognition or are really good at picking out faces. She even reached out to corporate writing a letter that she was young and dumb, they said nope, nothing has changed and it's been over 8 years.
I just remember sitting in the class we had to attend as part of the court and the cop asking who got busted by Gordmans and half the class raised their hand. He just laughed, and was like they are one of the bests in the business at catching shop lifters. You don't stand a chance when you walk in the door there. They already have eyes on you, watching you.
glam_it_up ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:03:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your daughter knew she was banned for life, why did she try to enter the store at all? I don't get it.
She demonstrated that she was still willing to disregard their rules. And why would they make an exception for her? [EDIT: Not that you're necessarily saying they should've!]
I'm all about rehabilitation when it comes to the criminal justice system, but if the store is perfectly willing to lose her patronage forever AND it's a permanent reminder of her youthful crime... well, I'm okay with that. It's a pretty mild consequence, all things considered. She could even get someone else to buy items for her if she really wanted to.
Huhsein ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill bro, she was shopping, she forgot, she is a girl.
glam_it_up ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a girl, too... not sure what that has to do with shopping or forgetting something. Your story was just striking to me; I didn't intend to make a mountain of it, sorry.
Huhsein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The short jist is she turned her life around, shop lifting would be like a non-event in the lifestyle she was living at the time. She spent a year in juvee at one point.
4 or 5 years later and she was not that person anymore. Good job, good man, likes to shop, shop alot, I mean really shop, lol. Walked into the store and boom wow, ohhh snap, she just wanted a shirt.
So in an attempt to right a wrong from her past so she could shop at their store, she tried to write corporate a very serious and heart warming letter.
Now it doesn't matter much, she can online shop them. But I thought it was cool that she was gonna try and appeal to the humanistic side of a giant corporation. It couldn't hurt.
glam_it_up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, it's a good exercise for someone who's turned their life around; i.e. addressing their wrongs and trying to make amends. She tried, at least.
If I'd been in charge of the decision at corporate, I would have lifted the ban upon receiving a well-written letter that demonstrated remorse (and especially given that the thief was underage at the time of the crime) -- but I'm also not surprised they didn't. Corporations can be pretty soulless.
alonjar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You vastly underestimate the cost of stolen product.
Juiceboxhero90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I sure did. I didn't realize how many people were stealing stuff.
Paranoidexboyfriend ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:34:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt generally take depositions for criminal trials. You need the actual witnesses to authenticate the surveillance footage. If the case had went to trial they would call you or your wife to testify.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:36:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ILikeLenexa ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
deposition, just fyi.
matthew_ditul ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No no, he means that the judge got to hear about their emotional states as part of the court proceedings.
molten_dragon ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy may have plea bargained so there was never an actual trial.
StabbyPants ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
with several warrants and an attempted child abduction?
molten_dragon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. 90% of all criminal cases in the US are handled by plea bargain. There aren't any limits to what kind of cases can be plea bargained.
StabbyPants ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there are limits. if you have someone with a bunch of warrants and a child snatching charge, as a prosecutor, this is the guy you want to nail to a wall
SeattleBattles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plea deals often involve significant amounts of prison time. Sometimes even life if death is on the table.
You never know what a jury might do or what might turn out to be wrong with your evidence. What looks like a slam dunk can turn into a nightmare pretty quickly. It's often better to take a sure thing than gamble on a trial and appeals.
molten_dragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There really aren't.
StabbyPants ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:14:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you aren't listening. you're talking about what the law allows. i'm saying that the prosecutor isn't interested in cutting the guy slack
molten_dragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm listening, you just don't get what I'm saying. Prosecutors cut deals constantly. They do it in cases much more heinous than this one. They don't have the resources to take every case to trial, and plea bargains give them certainty vs. the risk of a criminal trial.
HDThoreauaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, we all get what you're saying. You're simply mistaken.
It is still very common for a DA to allow for a plea deal with a ton of jail time to avoid a trial and everything that goes with it. Going to trial on a felony is a huge investment of staff resources and opens up the possibility, however small, that the case is either complicated by key evidence being inadmissible or the defendant convincing the jury it was a misunderstanding. Or he could be convicted and a judge might give a shorter sentence.
It is much better from their perspective to put an offender away for a decade with certainty and without wasting prosecutorial resources. It simply won't come back to bite a DA that they got a ten-year guilty plea when maybe they possibly could have gotten 12 or 15.
EDIT: Oh, and I completely forgot what started this discussion: the DA would not want to force the victim's parents to prep for this trial, worry for months and years about whether he would actually go to prison, and then make them take the stand and re-live the day all over again and then have their character impugned by a defense attorney who would dig up every detail they could from the dad's background that might suggest he has a hair trigger and throw it in his face, trying to upset him so the jury just thinks he's a rage monster. It's so much better just to avoid that.
Dashynasty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/nothingeverhappens
JoefromOhio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve heard a few examples of targets legal team being amazing
siegewolf ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 15:31:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Target is really good at what they do. 100% serious.
icon0clast6 ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:04:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Target has its own Digital Forensics lab.
Its.
Own.
Forensics.
They are outsourced to by a lot of places including LE.
Target knows wtf they're doing.
Except that one breach thing... but still.
octotterpus ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:24:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They also lend out their forensics labs to LEO's and even federal agencies too. Many of the people they hire are ex LEO's or even FBI. It sounds pretty crazy, but don't fuck w/ Target.
PooPooDooDoo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Target? We're not the target, you're the target!" holds cyber gun sideways and points at screen
Aleforge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are we talking about the retailer? The "upscale" Walmart?
icon0clast6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the retailer
improbablywronghere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Target the world renowned digital forensics lab.
Lorkdemper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now with 25% all galoshes for the end of the holiday season!
Oilfan94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except when it comes to opening/running stores in Canada.
They were in and then gone within a few years.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/missing-the-mark-5-reasons-why-target-failed-in-canad/article22459819/
http://marketingmag.ca/brands/what-really-went-wrong-with-target-canada-166300/
xSaviorself ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem was it was just Zellers with marked up prices and better lighting. Nobody wanted that, you could go to Walmart for better prices or an actual grocery store for the same prices with better quality foods.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. I got robbed at gunpoint, and was sent papers to appear in court to testify. The date kept changing, and eventually they cut a deal and went to jail without a trial. Nobody called to tell me this. I only found out because I looked up the case online using numbers on the papers they sent me.
CowardiceNSandwiches ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just come out and accuse OP of lying for karma and get it over with.
Lucid-Crow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised every comment isn't people calling him out for his obviously false story designed to mine karma.
poppinwheelies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit. No way they would have charged this guy with "assault" if he was actively preventing his child from being abducted.
ghost_orchid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/nothingeverhappens
ison2010 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:53:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity could you elaborate how did you knew he was trying to abduct your kid...(i presume sex offender you learned about later)..i mean for all you know your kid may got lost and this guy/girl was trying to help him find you or just get the kid to an officer etc...again just curious how did you knew he/she was bad.
the_blind_gramber ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 17:20:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In an earlier post he said the guy tried to grab the kid out of the shopping cart his wife was pushing. She screamed, he turned around and beat the shit out of the guy, everyone got arrested, and target gave him a $500 gift card.
Radulno ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:01:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sex offender wasn't really bright...
alowester ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how does anyone think they could get away with grabbing a kid out of a shopping cart at a target?
Ragnrok ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:44:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AMA request: People who were abducted out of shopping carts as kids
BigGreenYamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've never been heard from again.
Ragnrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit maybe this is more effective than people realize.
julbull73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the mom didn't fight did she, the dad did...if I remember correctly. So....had Dad not been there.
alowester ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
target has mass surveillance systems im sure let alone hundreds of by standers
julbull73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could they get there in a couple minutes.
Worked LP for a while, smash and grabs can't be stopped.
Hell we had guys drive a truck into the doors, fill the bed with jeans and fixtures plus clothes and floor it out of there. Less than 2 minutes we barely got police on the phone. , ~100k plus in losses alone. Damages were higher.
We redesigned the entire store so low loss items were by exits and installed pillars, horribly out of place, but not getting a carr through.
UncertainAnswer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. He should try the Walmart down the street.
Sauceybutts ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:55:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The man's name? Elbert Ainstein.
RedditIsAnAddiction ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:24:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/76tk3u/the_nothing_interesting_ever_happens_to_me/
Vroni2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is an addiction, it's true!
RedditIsAnAddiction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stand true by my name!
Sauceybutts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ive been pwned....
ison2010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If thats true..what the actual fuck. I can understand luring somehow the kid...but actually grabing it from the cart in front of the parents. His lucky to be alive imo. What the fuck is wrong with people.
Zastavo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.... did everyone clap
demilyrose ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:04:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but sometimes people literally try to just grab kids and run. Yesterday in my town there was a man walking his daughter to school, his daughter was walking behind him and when he turned around there was a man basically mid-grab trying to snatch his daughter up. The guy ran away as soon as he was seen by the father but not every child abductor tries to act kind and persuade the child to leave with them... sometimes they just snatch 'em right up.
zirtbow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a daughter and this whole comment chain is making me even more paranoid.
demilyrose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a child I was always taught to walk IN FRONT of whoever I'm with, for this exact reason. I'm very petite and I still always do this. To me it seems like common sense, keep your kids where you can see them.
[deleted] ยท -56 points ยท Posted at 16:08:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ison2010 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i see your point (although i dont understand why you mention the woman think) but if i suspect a child is lost fuck me i will help, cause if i dont then maybe the next one is the child abuser/sex offender etc...hence why i asked the question...surely something triggered him to assault the guy/girl.
Hazon02 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He mentioned the woman because of the stigma that surrounds men being around children. Better to find a woman to help a lost kid because she won't be automatically assumed to have bad intentions. (It's a stereotype, but it does hold merit)
GeorgiaOKeefinItReal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this happened to me and my family last time we were at the zoo.
I noticed a little girl wandering around looking lost... luckily I was with the mrs. and told her what was up, but she comes from a world of introversion and leaving strangers be. I basically had to force her to go help the girl, even then she had to be 1000% certain the girl was lost.
I'm keenly aware of my gender and how it affects others and there's no way I would approach that kid unless I was with zoo staff.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only place that holds merit is Reddit. I work with kids daily, I'm overweight and in my late 20's. I'm not a teacher, babysitter or any shit like that.
Hazon02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My singular anecdotal experience applies to all of existence."
ison2010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep i get it. unfortunately being sick in mind is gender agnostic.
kaiochrisx4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the store with my ex-wife and three kids literally two days ago. My oldest son is 9 and sees a kid with a Pokemon shirt and high fives the kid for being awesome I guess. We start to walk away and this little boy (probably around 7) and his younger brother start yelling "Grandpa!, Grandpa!" We wait for a second to see if anyone even acknowledges these kids and no one does so my ex-wife kneels down and talks to them, asks what they know about their Grandpa, etc and walks with them to stand in line at the service desk to call for their Grandpa. This entire time she had my three kids and those two kids following her and I felt utterly compelled to just hang back and keep my distance from them even with my ex wife there handling it. People are weird about their kids/grandkids and society mostly frowns upon men in those situations.
The kids grandpa was on the other side of the store, took him 5 minutes to walk up to the service desk and the first thing he says to these kids is "Where's y'all's candy?" Apparently, he just let them walk around the store by themselves shopping.
covor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:19:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because man near children (even if they are their own) are seen as evil pedophiles.
Now imagine this scenario: You are in a store, you find a crying 2 year old girl. If you go near her and her parents, or the security people, etc. find you there, how are you going to prove that you were not trying to kidnap her? In this cases, it's usually guilty until proven innocent. Even if you get cleared in a court of law, the stigma will still remain. So it's better to don't go near a crying child.
[edit] Take a look at what can happen if you try to help a lost child: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/28/us/good-samaritan-mistaken-for-kidnapper-trnd/index.html
mag1xs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My god some people are fucked up, where the fuck would this happen? You bring the kid to the nearest desk while informing the kid it will be alright.. Bring the kid to a desk/information and tell them about the situation and it will be sorted out.. Case closed, how fucked up is your world compared to the rest of peoples where this would happen? I bet it happens like 1/1000 times at most that some psycho parent label you as anything.
Worst case scenario you tell a worker near by that the kid is lost if you don't have the socials skill to pull that off without being seen as a pedophile.
covor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've read plenty of comments on Reddit about dads walking with their little girl in a park or something and people giving them suspicious looks, or even calling the security on them...
It happens in the US and UK, possibly in other countries as well.
numbernumber99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:17:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've read plenty of those comments as well, and while I wouldn't say that things like that never happen, I do think that some people have a pretty broad definition of a 'suspicious look'.
I have two kids, and for years I've taken them out to playgrounds, museums, restaurants etc while my wife was working, cleaning, or otherwise occupied, and have literally never once saw or heard anyone express suspicion.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure most of the times things like that don't happen. But sometimes they do happen, like here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3256251/widower-on-trip-with-teen-daughter-stunned-when-travelodge-staff-call-cops-to-say-he-was-a-paedophile/
And there are many similar cases that don't make the news. So why take risks to help a child? If the society acts this way towards males, then males should stop helping children.
numbernumber99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm not a vindictive, petulant asshole, and believe that helping a child in need is more important than the small chance that some judgmental asshole is going to give me a hard time for it. If my kids get lost, I hope there are people around that think the way I do, and not like you.
Seriously, buddy, I cannot fully express the loathing I have towards you right now. Your attitude is actively making the world a worse place. Pull your head out of your ass.
covor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the same loathing towards you too, if that makes you feel any better. If the society as a whole wants children to be helped, they should get rid of this stupid stereotype about males being pedophiles.
That being said, I would not let a child die if I could save him, but other than that I won't move finger.
numbernumber99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is largely imagined. The actual consequences you would face from someone misinterpreting you helping out a lost kid are negligible, especially in contrast with the help you could offer the kid. Great way to absolve yourself of guilt over not helping people out though.
covor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think they are negligible? The fact that you can 'get away' with help children most of the time is like saying you can get away with speeding. Sure, everyone speeds, and most of the time you don't get in trouble, but sometimes you do.
BTW: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/28/us/good-samaritan-mistaken-for-kidnapper-trnd/index.html
numbernumber99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many times a day do you think kids get lost, and someone helps them find their parents? Out of those cases, how many times does a parent overreact and call the cops? Out of those instances, how many times does anything else happen besides the cops refusing to arrest the good samaritan?
With your risk/reward evaluation skills, I'd be surprised if you ever get into a motor vehicle, play any sort of sports, or have sex with anyone ever. Sure, most of the time you don't get in an accident or get an STD, but sometimes you do.
That's great you found a case with absolutely batshit crazy parents. Sounds like enough reason to never help anyone again.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many times do car accidents happen? How many time do you hear about them on local news? (by hearing about, I don't mean just being reported, but also you being there with the TV on to hear about them). How many time do you hear about car accidents in nation wide news?
So by watching the TV/reading the news, you'd conclude that car accidents rarely happen, yes? But yet they are one of the leading causes of death in the US, and probably one of the first causes of serious injury.
So yeah, just because you rarely hear about something on the news it doesn't mean they don't happen often. How many times did people trying to help children got in trouble for it and you never heard about it? Yes, most of the times you don't get in trouble, but it's not something unheard of.
But it's not even about the odds here. The fact is, the US society as a whole believes that man should not be alone near children. So who am I to violate such sacred social values?
numbernumber99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious with this shit? Car accidents are not widely reported on because they are too numerous to be newsworthy. You could just as well say that people losing their socks happens fairly often, but you never hear about it on the news, so by watching TV/reading the news you'd conclude that people rarely lose their socks. If you were a fucking idiot.
Someone getting assaulted because parents misinterpreted them helping their kids is newsworthy because it is incredibly rare. In fact, the very few reported instances has led you to believe that it is somehow much more common than it is. You've fallen victim to scaremongering journalism.
Where exactly are you getting this from? I must not have received my copy of the Sacred Social Values.
covor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree that people being actually assaulted for that is a rare event, you can find a lot of personal accounts on Reddit about people trying to help lost children and ending up with very ungrateful parents, to put it mildly.
Again, how many male nursery workers have you seen? How many male professional babysitters? How many males who work with young children do you know? How many females?
How many females females get dirty looks from being around children in parks, versus how many males?
Are you seriously suggesting that this is the first time you heard about those 'sacred social values'?
numbernumber99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Again, negligible consequences for helping a kid in need. I guess I'm just not fragile enough that a rebuke from someone would scare me off from doing the right thing.
Yes, the majority of child care workers are female. Big leap from that to "US society as a whole believes that man should not be alone near children".
Ambralin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The stigma is really real. Are you a man?
Iโd still help a child, but fuck society. Some of these people, they really think youโve got some pedophile-y tendencies because you interact with children, whether itโs trying to help a child in some way or making small talk with one. Even if theyโre your own child, people might give dirty looks. I heard an account of someone on Reddit who had the cops called on him for sitting on a bench at the park, in which his child was playing in. And multiple about women coming up to men at the park, asking who their child is (so as to make sure they arenโt there to kidnap anybody).
If someone is gonna stare at you for buying fatty, high-calorie foods then theyโre just gonna think youโre a fatass. That stigma sucks, but is not typically something that elicits fear and can go away for you personally. But if someone thinks youโre a pedophile, that worry will always be in the back of their minds and that stigma instills fear in the hearts of men, as no one wants to be seen as a pedophile.
I still think everyone should help a child in need, but you should understand that this mindset is not some crazy, wack-jobโs way of thinking. Donโt treat us like weโre evil and we piss you off. That only makes us even more fearful, as it makes us associate something weโre scared of, being seen as a pedophile, with your negative outlook at our coping strategies.
numbernumber99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I am a man, and a parent. I could not care less about someone giving me dirty looks for being out with my kids. Sure, someone on reddit said they had the cops called on them. My guess is the cops were reasonable people who quickly ascertained there was nothing to be worried about. Other men talked to women in public at a park. What an ordeal.
This is the difference between yourself (probably most other people as well) and the other person I was talking to. I'm sure being accused of being a pedophile would not be a pleasant experience, and I don't blame people for worrying about that. Saying that men shouldn't ever help kids because of the risk of that happening is absolutely crazy, and (as a parent, I think quite justifiably) pisses me off. It's not actively evil, but that sort of disregard for vulnerable peoples' well-being is reprehensible.
Ambralin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt blame the people with this mindset, but it seems to me like you do. Then again, itโs also quite reasonable that youโd think us disgusting for saying we wouldnโt help a child in need. Any news outlet or public figure would say as much, and any woman and most men would as well.
Your opinion is, honestly, more reasonable than our outlook. You should know that while a lot of people on this thread seem to think a certain way, most people would agree with you. Thing is, human minds arenโt always seeking out the most logical solution to a problem. While this scenario isnโt mental illness, the same can especially be said for someone with a mental disorder. Oftentimes there is no logic, or at least their solution is clearly not the most logical path.
In my opinion, as I said, you shouldnโt blame us, because that will only make us more fearful as we associate your negative view on our mindset with the stigma of being thought of as a pedophile. The same thing could be said in a situation involving mental disorder. But, while it may be unhelpful for you to be angry at us, it is still only my opinion that you should word your thoughts differently, mainly towards that other person.
More understanding is the best policy, in my opinion. That includes understanding towards yourself as well, in that weโre talking about helping a child in need. In general, we should be helping anybody in need, and most people would agree. Your perspective is the same of the majorityโs. Us who are fearful of being labeled a pedophile, while different than you, should still be able to easily understand your stance.
numbernumber99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:52:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You've used "us" a few times, but I want to make clear that your statement that "I still think everyone should help a child in need" completely removes you from the (probably quite rare) mindset that covor was espousing.
I fully sympathize with this fear, and realize it is not entirely unfounded. Where I lose sympathy is when people let it stop them from assisting where they should.
Regardless, I appreciate your attempt to bring civility to the discussion. The topic can bring up strong feelings in lots of people, myself included. It's hard to stay objective when I'm contemplating a situation where my child is lost and afraid and no one is willing to help them.
Ambralin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Us, as in those of us who may not make the most rational decisions that most people would, given the fear of pedophilia. I am someone who, in my opinion, would likely help a child even if Iโd be worried about being labeled a pedophile. Iโve never encountered such a situation so I canโt know for sure. Iโm just saying, Iโd like to think Iโd help them.
What might cause me to turn a blind eye is my crippling social anxiety, and this applies to more than just children. I wouldnโt like to be blamed for not always being to most upstanding citizen. I donโt like to blame anybody else, so itโs like treating others how you want to be treated. There is always a better option, and in this case it would be to provide help. With a mother in an abusive relationship, as a different example, it would be to leave with her child. But I wouldnโt blame her for not doing so, and I know that blaming her would only be counterproductive.
In the end, Iโm only nitpicking peopleโs level of understanding. But even if I know it to be counterproductive to be repulsed by our, or certain other minority mindsets, itโs simply the most reasonable, and majority-like perspective to have, so I also canโt blame anybody for coming to a 100% logical conclusion, and especially one that most other people would also come to.
numbernumber99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:07:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely empathize with your situation; I'm no stranger to mental issues myself, and a good friend of mine has severe anxiety issues as well. In my mind there's a huge difference between desiring to do the right thing but being unable to due to circumstances largely beyond your control, and intentionally making a decision that precludes the possibility altogether, based entirely upon fear of imaginary consequences and a sense of vindictiveness.
Rest assured, if you help out my kid when they're lost, and you seem nervous and awkward and shy about it, it would not make me any less grateful to you for saving the most important thing in the world to me.
Blame is a tricky concept. It's hard to pin down exactly what felt emotion it would best coincide with. For my part, if my inaction allowed something tragic to happen, I would certainly blame myself, and would accept blame from those affected. If my life was negatively affected by someone else's inaction, but that person was aware that they fucked up and felt terribly about it, I would certainly feel hurt and disappointed in them, and probably be pissed off for a while, but wouldn't exactly feel rage or the desire to punish them. If the person was adamant they did nothing wrong, and says they'd make the same choice again, I suppose 'blame' would be the mildest possible term for my feelings toward them.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can believe whatever you want, and I can't convince you otherwise. But take a look here, at this thread that is from today: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7zafwi/what_was_a_strange_experience_you_had_as_a_child/
If you read through all the comments, you will see plenty along the lines: "I was 5, some teenager/adult wanted to do something nice for me, but I noped the fuck out, I am sure he wanted to molest/kidnap me".
Now, it is entirely possible that they are right and the adults/teenagers wanted to rape them, but in many cases it seems like an over exaggeration, and they only think that because "men are pedos".
I was young too, and interacted with a lot of adults and older teenagers, and never got raped, molested or kidnapped.
BTW, look at this comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7zafwi/what_was_a_strange_experience_you_had_as_a_child/dumzu7a/
241 upvotes (by the time you will read it probably more). If you think you live in a society where men are not assumed to be pedophiles, then I am not sure what else I can tell you to change your mind.
SFWBriFM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was a revenge story i read a long while back.
Step Dad was taking his wife's daughter to the park, and people from the park were giving him looks and everything. Some lady picks up his step-kid, and starts walking away. He begins yelling, and the little girl starts crying, and some dudes come and pin him down giving a "citizen's arrest". One of them even clipped the guy.
Cops get called, and they book the step dad, and hold the child. The cops didn't bother fact checking this dude or calling the wife when the guy pleaded.
When released, the guy attempted to sue the police department, and all the people involved. Police department tried to apologize so he won't sue the department, and he cut a deal, and asked for his DUI from years and years ago be wiped, and they agreed. Little girl started going to therapy, and was told she was a bit traumatized.
After the whole court thing, judge agreed to allow step dad to press charges on the dude who got clipped him, and pressed charges on everyone else for the ordeal. Judge requested for therapist report to prove girl was traumatized, and now the dude gets paid monthly from each person involved. And if they miss a payment, he can take them to court for it and raise their monthly.
forgot which reddit i read that from though. Sorry for butcher.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is nice. But the fact that it happened sucks. I remember reading a similar story, where an old lady took a child by force from her dad (or step dad). But I don't think it had this ending, so not sure if it was the same story in progress or a different one.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really doesn't happen. It's like men claiming to be trans to rape in the women's restroom. Has it happened? sure maybe a couple isolated incidents out of billions of interactions a day but it's not really an issue that exist like it's made out to be
covor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it happens much more than you think. How easy is it for a man to get a job in a nursery? How many male elementary teachers are there? How many professional male babysitters?
Truth is, in the US and UK there is a big stigma about man being around children. You can find quite a few news online about fathers being harassed for being in public with their daughter, or taking pictures of their daughters, etc.
There was a case on Reddit about a guy flying a drone near a soccer field where some girls were playing. And an angry father came to confront the drone guy, claiming he is a pedophile recording girls.
ison2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dear god this is like a hollywood film. As a father of three i can relate to both but kudos to the dad that after all the shit he gone through...he would do it again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Umm... just leave her where she is, walk over to a security person or someone who works there, and say there is a lost child. lollll
covor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is an option, of course. But by the time you find a security person, the child may no longer be there.
Radulno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK that might be a little fucked up in your head to think a man with his kid is a pedophile. And even if it's not his, he has the right to help a lost child. The probability for some guy to be a pedophile is just extremely low overall.
covor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they are encouraged by the state to think that: http://www.bloggernews.net/18108
I_wanna_b_d1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The commenter doesn't think that himself but is acknowledging that that is a prevailing stereotype society holds of men
Radulno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah it was more a general you than to the commenter sorry.
MashedGrasshopper ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:25:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. I once actually found a toddler wandering in the road. Yes, I was worried about someone thinking I was a creep as I pulled my truck over and got out, but there was a kid in the middle of the road. Accuse me of whatever you want, but I'm not letting this kid play in traffic. I coaxed him out of the road without touching him. There was a lady smoking out front of her house nearby, so I went over and asked, "is that your kid down there?" "I don't have a kid," was her classy reply. He couldn't tell me where he lived, so I knocked on the door of the nearest house. They told me he was the next door neighbour's kid. His mom and four other kids were home when I knocked on that door, and she didn't so much as thank me, just yelled at the other kids for not watching him close enough. If a kid (or anyone) needs help, help them.
gvsulaker82 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great of you helping out! I dont understand how the lady smoking saying she didnt have a kid was classy tho?
JaniePage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that might have been sarcasm. He was implying that the woman should maybe have helped him rather than dismissing the issue by saying she didn't have a child.
MashedGrasshopper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was sarcasm. Was a pretty trashy situation all around.
JaniePage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds terrible all round :(
tentativetitle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know you are getting down voted but I agree with you. I posted this before. I found a two year old baby by himself at night near apartments and a busy street. I have never been more terrified in my life of people thinking I was kidnapping him. I wanted to go to him and hold him and find out where his parents were but I maintained a 5 foot distance between him because I was scared shitless people were going to assume I was trying to kidnap him. Thank god, I found the parents half a block down. Turns out they had left him alone in the apartment and he knew how to open doors and they forgot to lock it. I was so worried. I almost didn't try to find his parents because I didn't want to get in trouble.
KawiNinjaZX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I've seen you've been on twoxchromosomes before
RedditIsAnAddiction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude he snatched the child from his wife.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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RedditIsAnAddiction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good point.
rakor96ns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would instead call for an employee for them to make an announcment on the speakers. If outside call the non emergency police line and just wait in the spot
jdubs333 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People make up stories to get karma. People go to jail for bad things so he made up a story about doing a โgoodโ thing that was kind of illegal. All bullshit. There was no kid. There was no child molestor. There was no jail.
King_Of_Ravenholdt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:27:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got a kick out of the moral code among convicts. I had a long chat with an older guy I was locked up with about it.
You stole something from a store? Beat the shit out of somebody? Drove drunk? Sold drugs? Meh, whatever, you gotta do what you gotta do to get through this world.
You stole from a church? Absolutely no respect, you're a piece of shit.
You touched a little kid? Don't get caught alone cuz there's an ass-kicking with your name all over it.
j_loc ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:43:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
thelordcaptain ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:06:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You did the right thing and so did the cop. At least in your case (and your "victim's" case too! though you should be been a witness against him), justice was swift.
Cops can't take chances, but judges are chosen to do exactly that. :)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What state did this happen in, if you don't mind me asking? I've seen stories from Texas where a parent killed someone hurting their kid and no charges were ever filed.
Edit: Also, in Texas they tend not to even arrest the person who defended the victim. It's seems backwards to do it any other way.
gottalovesunrise ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:57:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I usually don't like violence, but I get you. I wish I can be that efficient as a parent if I become one, someday In the future. As a society, it's important to resist going the easy way of violence and obey the law, so society can function as a whole. But when something like this happens, everything goes out of the window and it's just pure instinct.
dennisi01 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes violence is necessary. If somebody is attempting to abduct a child they need to be met with extreme violence and preferrably irreparable bodily harm. There should bo absolutely no mercy for these monsters.
slashcleverusername ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:43:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prefer to phrase it as โerr on the side of definitively disabling the attack.โ
tophermeyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Righto. There's no need to be a vigilante, but it's certainly fair to take steps to eliminate the threat. And there's certainly a lot of wiggle room for a person in the moment.
But there is a big difference between teaching someone a lesson and simply being overzealous.
Ronkerjake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aka removing their arms and legs.
Ambralin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too far and not right. Once you have your child back and the abducter is backing off youโre done. Itโs not okay to beat them to near death.
jesuschin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Using violence to defend you and your family is a part of every society
gottalovesunrise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know. It's just the fact that someone can be violent 0-60 in just a fraction of a second, when family is endangered, that really gets you thinking about society and stuff.
jesuschin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it just shows that things aren't so cut and dried and that people like to armchair quarterback a lot. It's easy for people to judge and critique saying "oh, he should have done this instead of that". Until you're put in these situations you never know what your natural reaction will be
gottalovesunrise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
anotherMrLizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a big grey area where defence meets retaliation.
stylesm11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All the respects to you my man
ThumpersOlLady ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you.
My own dad would have just let it happen, despite the fact that he fancies himself to be a total badass.
fakestamaever ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why were you even arrested and charged in the driest place?
MrCatSquid ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:40:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else in this thread said, cops cant take chances, but the judges can. The cops probably saw a man beating the shit out of another guy, and took them both to jail just in case it didnt be like it do.
lajackson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ROR'd?
xavier_grayson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to look it up. I think itโs released on own recognizance.
lajackson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. I assume thats a pretty rare event in our justice system.
wavymulder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually not. It doesn't mean you're not being charged, it just means they're not going to hold you in jail until your court date.
It's given to a lot of first time non violent offenders (and non drug related) in my county which is one of the toughest on crime in the country.
wikipedialyte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't. It's for petty charges
Dinosaur_Repellent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm proud of you. You did the right thing.
Iamnotarobotchicken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, respect.
TweakedNipple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would have does the exact same thing and I first was wondering why you got arrested. Then I remembered a video of some people in line at a fast food place, guy and his toddler in front of an adult male and female. Adult male suddenly takes a kick at the toddler so the dad instantly cold clocks him, flat out unconscious. Still not saying you were wrong, just maybe I understand cops taking everyone and sorting it out later.
Here's the old Reddit thread.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1hs3md/man_gets_knocked_out_for_kicking_little_kid/
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee if you actually went to jail over that (not that you should have, fuck that guy) you would be a hero to the other inmates over beating that sex offender. Nobody would mess with you out of respect and would help you with your legal case.
bennett21 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean you read about his sentence, wouldnโt you be the biggest part of the conviction, being your family as the main eye witness?
Life_is_a_Hassel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have an interesting username considering
hyugafan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre a real dream daddy :)
Northman67 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd gladly spend a night in jail over assaulting someone that touched my child good on you!!
newloaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone tried to abduct your child and you "read about" his conviction months later?
w0rld2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is fantastic
FoxyGrampa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
(waiting for him to drop an obscure acronym)
... and there it is
tohellwithdishes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My baby sister had porcelain skin, giant blue eyes, and fiery red hair. She also never ever cried. I witnessed her almost being kidnapped.
Back in 1995, at a shopping trip to Target, my mom turned her back while digging for pant sizes and a big woman in an oversized coat just up and took my 2 yr old sister right in front of me. The cameras showed she walked over, picked up my sister on her hip and wrapped the coat around her. God knows why she didn't just immediately exit the store. We were in the kids section, which was just behind the registers and front exit doors. My mom alerted an employee within a few minutes and they locked the doors. Since the woman couldn't get out, she dropped my sister at customer service in a 'panic' saying she found this child wondering by herself and was 'just ensuring her safety'.
The cameras showed my sister was within reaching distance of my mother and we were playing with each other. It also showed the woman trying the doors. Despite this evidence and my mom's pleas for an arrest, the woman raised such a fit over being a Good Samaritan, they let her go.
Because of this, even if I, or others, have to hear my kids cry, I keep them in the cart and on a back pack leash in huge public crowds.
Edit: I'm only a year older than her so I didn't know what was going on at the time.
IsaaxDX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Modern Day Hero
watermahlone1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TBH I would not mind sitting in jail so long as I know I beat the shit out of them and they also went to jail. I would give up my right to being silent as soon as we would arrive in the jail to let everyone know wtf they did!
GuruBushHippie ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 13:28:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you. I wouldโve turned that idiotโs head into a pink mist. Cleanup on aisle seven.
ClusterSchmucks ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 15:09:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamverybadass
I always spawn so much negative karma when I comment, holy crap.
GuruBushHippie ยท -71 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think half the time people just drop these subreddits when they want to be a smartass, but donโt have anything smart to say on their own right. I happen to think carrying a firearm that Iโve trained to be proficient with in order to protect myself is pretty badass.
Tsanummy ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And for that I tip my fedora to you good sir
Bass2Mouth ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Easy there, killer.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:39:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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bobqjones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.
You just made the list, buddy.
And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you.
Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.
DangChung ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you ever call him Francis!
jymssg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it's Ajax
CommissarThrace ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When someone is in the process of attempting a child abduction you definitely don't want to be firing a gun at them since there's, you know, a child right there. Once the attempt has been stopped, if they're fleeing or something, shooting them is murder and you should be sentenced for murder because we don't want vigilante justice.
Guns are for self defense and defense of others. I strongly support the 2nd amendment. People who talk like you do are just fuel for the anti gun crowd.
GuruBushHippie ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:26:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, youโre right. I should just calmly remind the perp that what theyโre doing is illegal and magically heโll stop abducting the child. But what if... and I know this is crazy so bare with me here... what if the criminal just disregarded the law and kept right on about his kidnapping? Would you suggest a rolled up newspaper in that case?
โAttention target shoppers, we have an emergency. If all females over the age of 65 would proceed to the front of the store armed with your purses immediately!โ
CommissarThrace ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd suggest a whole hell of a lot of violent alternatives before I suggest firing a gun at a person in possession of a kidnapped child you absolute retard.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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CommissarThrace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair. I apologize to handicapped people, I made an insensitive comment that I in no way meant. That's a legitimate apology as well, not just a joke - I shouldn't use retard as an insult.
GuruBushHippie ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that you can use a gun to deter someone without ever firing a shot? You do know that right, you absolute retard?
CommissarThrace ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you turn his head into pink mist without firing a shot there buddy?
GuruBushHippie ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same way you beat them senseless without accidentally punching the child. By separating the two, dumbass.
CommissarThrace ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you separate the two and then commit vigilante murder. What fact pattern are you imagining here where you think this isn't an incredibly dumb thing to do by putting a child's life at risk or murder?
GuruBushHippie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I just troll people on the internet.
MrCatSquid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just put in some elbow grease and use your fists
PM_ME_BACK_MY_LEGION ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking idiot.
You own a gun to 'defend' yourself, but that seems like a thinly veiled excuse. What you're really doing, is carrying a gun, hoping and praying you'll get to show off and use it one day. Everything you say gives off that 'I can't wait to use my gun to legally take someones life' vibe.
You're the type that gives the pro-gun crowd a bad image and are the embodiment of someone who should not be given a gun under any circumstance.
And the worst part is your comment about justifying the use of a firearm in a child abduction case. There is no imminent need to escalate the situation to that level, all you are doing is further endangering the child and anybody else around them. Do you not understand that a gun is not some magical life ending wand? There are factors that can't be accounted for in a tense and adrenaline-fueled situation like distance from the target? who is behind the target? how likely are you to hit the child? any and all movement by yourself, the target, child, and others. You're not Clint Eastwood, don't try to act like him.
GuruBushHippie ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Iโll be one of the ones you pussies run to after youโve given your guns to the government and theyโve turned on you. See you in a decade or two.
PM_ME_BACK_MY_LEGION ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well actually, I own firearms in the UK, so not much of a chance I'll be giving the US my guns, moron.
I hope you understand gun control isn't handing in your firearms to the government. Gun control is simply performing adequate checks and precautions before handing someone a dangerous tool. Maybe we should get rid of driving tests because 'Muh right to drive', all the recent attacks have proven that vehicles can also be used as deadly weapons, so surely they also fall under muh 2nd amendment?
There are plenty of other countries that allow firearms without having the ridiculous number of issues the US has with them. It's problematic mentalities like yours, with your wet dreams of using your gun to end somebody.
GuruBushHippie ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like we did to the lobsterbacks in 1776?!?
PM_ME_BACK_MY_LEGION ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We? I think you mean your forefathers.
Best part about this is you obviously use 'trolling' as a piss poor excuse for having a bad argument.
GuruBushHippie ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I donโt actually believe half the shit I say in order to garner an emotional response from someone else, such as yourself. Thatโs pretty much the definition of trolling, mate.
PM_ME_BACK_MY_LEGION ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trolling is in quotes is because its shit, not because I disagree with the definition. It used to be a huge group of people going through a good amount of effort at the expense of someone, clearly your 'huh, England lost a war' is a pathetic attempt in comparison.
And it's so clear that you initially went into this argument with genuine belief behind your points. For a 'troll' you're really bad at hiding your intent and emotions, maybe you should work on that.
GuruBushHippie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the feedback, Redcoat. Iโll keep that in mind.
skip_tracer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I carry a firearm to protect myself precisely because I AM NOT a badass. Stop acting tough.
GuruBushHippie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Come at me, bro. Do you even lift, chump?
Valdrax ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're only digging yourself deeper and making the criticism more valid by writing things like that.
GuruBushHippie ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:21:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks for the advice, nerd!
Valdrax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't you be dropping a subreddit to say that?
EagleTalons ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No that's solid. And although justified I would have shot that gun out of your hand. Give you a second to cool it down and realize this perp needed his nads smooshed.
Miroudias ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been linked the very same way before, but to /r/iamverysmart.
While I get folks are trying to be sarcastic, it really just makes the poster look stupid and childish. You're going to attempt to shame people for using a larger vocabulary than you? k.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think I've led a rather mundane kind of life with a couple instances of heart pounding terror/extreme excitement. So it really gets my goat when I toss out a story about something out of the ordinary that happened to me only to have some wiseass snark r/thathappened.
Just because my life is slightly more interesting than yours doesn't mean I'm lying.
GuruBushHippie ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs really fun seeing the occasional drop on Facebook.
Wut?
Miroudias ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I... I have no clue what you're referring to. lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Wepmajoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username makes fuckin post
PM_ME_BACK_MY_LEGION ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If anything, you going to prison with him probably really fucked up his time there. I personally would have liked the experience (in hindsight, knowing you won't actually be there for long) as you get to make sure others know who he is and what he's done. I wouldn't have regretted any of it either, especially with the outcome.
temsahnes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username doesnโt checkout.
Pornographicdonuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
bnwtwg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username does NOT check out....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username does not check out.
hawkin712 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You read it? Wouldn't you have been involved in that court case to testify because you were a witness?
iLovePlaceLag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm just curious... on job applications and stuff, when they ask about arrests, do you have to say "yes"?
even though you have everyone's support, i feel like saying "yes" sinks you
elbowe21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
198_Dudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It has always occured to me that inmates have kids on the outside that they love.
I mean, there are all kinds of reasons for them to hate diddlers. But you know, being forcibly seperated from your kid that you very much care for, then having to share space with someone that hurts kids .....
Gotta be a bit of a mindfuck.
dpow42 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 15:52:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a pretty straight arrow by nature, so I don't think that I really allowed myself to process what was happening until the 2nd or 3rd day of my 4-day stint in a county jail in Kansas. At that point I just wanted to go home and get the hard part over with, facing my parents. Honestly, the hardest part was the first night. They didn't have a bed available for me so I spent the night alone in the drunk tank on a hard concrete floor. After that I got a cellmate, a mat on the floor, and all the western paperbacks I could read in 3-4 days. The short version of my arrest was that we were bored, engaged in some fireworks-related shenanigans, and were just unlucky enough that those shenanigans were observed by an off-duty deputy at home with his sick wife. Karma.
RedvinesNotTwizzlers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:09:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That really sucks that you had to sleep on the floor. If they don't have room for people, they need to let out people with petty offenses. In my County jail, the guys are sleeping in the tanks for 5 - 12 days. There's 2 benches but laying down, only 2 guys fit so the rest are on the floor the whole time. I was always thankful that it was different for the women.
dpow42 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:38:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine sleeping in the tank for that extended of a period. One night was miserable.
ObiMemeKenobi ยท 296 points ยท Posted at 15:35:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friend was sent to juvi for a month when they found a pocket knife on him after getting into a fight at school. He was a pretty good kid, but found out his "girlfriend" was cheating on him with another guy, so he found the guy at lunch and pummeled him.
He said he was just in his cell crying the first day. He thought he was going never going to see anyone again, or that he would get killed in there. Afterwards, he said he didn't talk to anyone but that everyone was generally nice to him in there
A_random_47 ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 16:49:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never really got that thought process. Why go after the guy your girlfriend is cheating on you with and not go after the person who is actually doing the cheating. It's like the person is in denial that their significant other has betrayed them so they have to put the blame on someone else.
TheDudeWeapon ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs exactly why, you answered your own question
ObiMemeKenobi ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:02:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just young, dumb and all those weird chemicals going on at that age I guess. He was only a sophomore or junior at the time
CapnWreckz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:11:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'cause it's not socially acceptable to hit your girlfriend, but you can fight the dude who she slept with.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 18:02:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If somebody cheats on me, yes, I will take action.
If some other guy knowingly fucks around with my woman, he will come to regret it through events completely unrelated to my actions.
hawkster9542 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:51:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All right, tone it down there, Charles Bronson.
MaiaSan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:34:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just call her a whore and break it off and move on
Juiceboxhero90 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:40:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, for a pocket knife? I didn't graduate HS that long ago and there plenty of times I accidently brought a pocket knife
ObiMemeKenobi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:03:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well, he always carried his with him, but I mean, it doesn't look good when you just beat up somebody out of nowhere, and then they learn you had a pocket knife on you too
hitdrumhard ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:36:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get that and youโre right, but just as another view, it could show that he could have stabbed the guy but showed restraint. That might help somehow? Nah never mind.
BrayKerrOneNine ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 16:04:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thinking they were going to let me out. They didnโt
Ihavetheinternets ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:35:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ask nicely
amakudaru ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:18:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some say he's still in there to this day.
BonginOnABudget ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
-Sent from my buttphone.
SlutForGarrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:31 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This made me laugh. I am not a twelve year old boy. It is ridiculous that I laughed at this.
Take your damn upvote and leave me to my shame!
BonginOnABudget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:34 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're the reason I do what I do.
King-Olaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you post this?
inhence ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:40:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He had to let himself out.
BrayKerrOneNine ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:25:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well they eventually let me out. Just not the same day that I went in.
King-Olaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:55 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I figured lol. It was just a bad joke.
Sonyw810 ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 18:31:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isnโt so bad. After I realized they do not do a full cavity search on intake. The guards were mostly cool.
Guard: how long are you staying at the resort? Me: 6 months Guard: holy fuck, you kill a guy? Me: no, just a fight Guard: well should of killed em, probably gotten less time.
I also got out on work release which was a sanity saver.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:26:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll keep this in mind lol
OhShitSonSon ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was in Jail for a month. Speeding and DUI mixed with missing first court appearance got me a 90 day sentence with 60 suspended. Went into jail that day, right after my court appearance. I wasnt scared really because i live in a small city , just let down. Like you realize your whole life is to not go to jail. EVER. Then you're there and you realize that this is now your life. Guards talk shit. Real shit. So you can stay longer. It taught me i never want to end up back in that situation again. I was 23 and served my 30 days. Im 28 now and actually am glad i went through that because i was very reckless as a young adult.
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 568 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested at Mardi Gras one year for battery on an officer with injury. Oops. Up until this point (and since then) I've been pretty much straight as a board. I think I've had a whopping two speeding tickets and one parking ticket in my life. I'm early 40's.
Got hauled into the New Orleans jail, freaked out of my mind. Here I am, a tubby white geek. Kept to myself in the booking area, finally got to my cell well into the evening. They hauled another inmate out of the cell to make room for me (so I've instantly made at least one friend). Tried my damnest to sleep, but I'm a snorer, sooooo...didn't really sleep (didn't want to wake up the other guy in the cell).
Spent the day talking to the guy, he was in on drugs. We talked about our life experiences, I got out on bail.
Fast forward a few months, and I've plead guilty to a lesser charge of battery on an officer and get sentenced to 17 days. Having spent one night in, I steel myself for 17 days of boredom. I'd researched a LOT and had my wife send me a CISSP book to study while I was in.
Since the lesser charge wasn't a felony, I was stuck in an open dorm with lots of other inmates. THAT was a trip...you feel like a new student walking into a full classroom. Where am I going to bunk? Who's already eyeballing me to screw with me? I chose a top bunk of a bunkbed, and an older, weathered guy said "hey, man, don't sleep up there...a big guy like you should be on the first one. Here's an open bunk right here," and pointed me towards an empty rack. I took it and was extremely on alert, trying not to jump out of my skin. Was this guy lookin' for someone to drop the soap in the shower, or was he just a decent guy?
Turns out, it was the later. We talked like adults. He helped me understand the routine, I gave him the extra food I got (I was barely able to eat most of the food there), he shared some of his extras (he'd give me his apple sauce, for example).
All in all, a decent guy. He was in for drugs and theft, as were a lot of the other inmates.
And while I'm not proud of what I did, lemme tell you...if you've gotta go to jail, being able to say that you're in for "battery on an officer, pled down from battery on an officer with an injury" certainly doesn't hurt with the other inmates.
Bonch_and_Clyde ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:27:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going to OPP is some serious shit. It's a rough jail to have to be held, and I've heard some horror stories. It's supposed to be one of the worst in the country.
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:39:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in the time between when I was picked up and the time I went in for my little "vacation", I did, as any nerd would, lots of Google searches.
Oh. Holy. Shit. Yeah, I was pretty sure I wasn't going to make it out in one piece.
As "luck" would have it, the sheriff had recently gotten in DEEP with the feds for all KINDS of violations, so it seemed like everyone was on their best behavior. The closest I came to anything bad was one of the guards accidentally switched off all the water to the unit...which evidently is a big no-no, outside of unit shakedowns and the like...which quite a few of the inmates who'd been there a while/knew how things worked QUICKLY and loudly called her on. Water was restored a few minutes later, but to hear them, you'd think we'd just spent 20 days in the desert and were all literally dying from thirst.
Call-Me-Ishmael ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:56:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So... what were the circumstances of the battery on an officer??
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got shoved backwards. Lunged forward towards what I could see (instead of falling into/onto god knows what behind me). Evidently struck the guy in the corner of the lip, he needed 2 stitches.
Was preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure I was going to have an "accident" on the way to jail. Was very polite the entire time. No "accidents" en-route.
Call-Me-Ishmael ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:03:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
17 days in jail for an accident? Sheesh.
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:20:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's what I thought. As did my wife (who was safe at home at the time of the incident), my best friend (who'd been right next to me), several on-lookers and my attorney.
Evidently the DA/assistant DA had a hard on. In court, the judge was looking at the paperwork (when I was there to plead to the lower charge) and went "...can't I just suspend this whole thing?"
The DA replied "no, your honor, he must serve time."
This clearly was a waste of the judge's time, so she, bless her heart, went:
"Okay, so, I'm going to increase the sentence to 30 days,"
<my heart skipped a beat>
"but suspend 13 days of it, so you're still just doing the 17 days. I'm also going to give you 30 days non-supervised probation that starts right now, so once that's done, you can get this expunged."
And get it expunged, I did.
Call-Me-Ishmael ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:13:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That plain sucks. Glad the judge had your back, and great that it got expunged.
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:19:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. Of course, now I break out in a cold sweat any time I think of applying for a new tech job... Are they going to do some kind of background check that will show this somehow, even though it's expunged?
;Twitch twitch
TheRealConine ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:03:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly.... you never know.
I hired a guy on from a temp agency. Great guy. After he had worked there a few weeks, it turned out that the temp agency had done a local background check which came up empty.... but that a broader check later showed he had a DWI. They cut him loose because he lied on his application.
Only he had that charge expunged, so he didnโt feel he needed to put that down. Temp agency didnโt feel that way. Had we hired him directly, we never would have known. But the temp agency had some kind of deep freakin search that turned it up. It sounded kind of fucked to me.
spiderlanewales ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily uncommon. People don't like to believe this, but it's your best bet to consider every background check a unique entity. If you had a charge that was expunged, be concerned forever. It's a sad reality in the USA, at least.
The same goes for drug screens. There are legal herbs and chemicals that people consume, obscure stuff that hasn't made it to the CSA yet, but some places will pay $300 per drug test to see if their applicant consumed a weird plant from southeast Asia that Walgreens sells as an anti-anxiety herbal supplement. Boom, disqualified. You absolutely never know, and it's terrifying.
alchemy3083 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:34:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happens is that the criminal background check companies constantly scrape millions of arrest/conviction/etc. records every day, to build up a private, permanent, and standardized criminal database for them to run your applicants through. They can't open up sealed criminal convictions, but by grabbing the public records before they're sealed (and removed from public databases) they don't have to. Reputable background check agencies ought to purge these private records when they no longer show up on public databases, as that indicates the original record was either erroneous or sealed (and the agency doesn't really have any way of telling which). But, of course, oftentimes they just report it anyway.
TheRealConine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if anyone has successfully challenged it. Nope, check again, not in there, must be a mistake?
lostatwork314 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only time that'll show up is to cops and the court.
WinstonCup28 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:25:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sorry but I wouldnโt have gone to jail for that. I probably would have flipped out and made it much worse for myself. Thatโs total bullshit.
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:36:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and right up until that day, I absolutely thought so too.
I think that's why it worked out... When I get SUPER mad, I get deathly calm, bordering on polite. Lots of "yes sir"s and the like.
While I was off to the side, I was so calm and polite, one of the cops actually asked "wait... Is this guy with the church group?" (A church group was parading up and down Bourbon Street spouting out that everyone was going to burn in hell for all this sin and vice, etc)
I think that may have helped. No body tention, seemingly calm on the outside, being polite. Dunno.
Human_musics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre why my job stays interesting.
WinstonCup28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is
Human_musics ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dealing with people who have broken the law and then feel like flipping out is the correct answer.
NOTE Before you get all up in arms about OP being pushed and it being an accident, understand that you and I werenโt there and we will never know what happened. The only two people on the planet who truly know how it went down are OP and the police officer, and that we have to assume that we are only getting OPโs side of the story because the cop isnโt around to tell his. I donโt want to have a drawn out fight with anyone about how cops are lying pigs and how I suck and how I just want to hit my quota and all that nonsense. If anyone has questions about policing in general or wants to have a civil discussion about their opinion or about what troubles them re: modern policing, Iโm game.
WinstonCup28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I was taking his word. I get what your saying 100%. Definitely two sides to every story. But if what heโs saying is true Iโd be very upset.
And I am not one to disrespect cops ever. I have the up most respect for them. And appreciate them. I am sorry for all the bullshit yโall have to put up with. I know I couldnโt do it. Thank you for what you do. Not everyone is an entitled ignorant asshole.
Human_musics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha youโre good man, I was using โyouโ pretty generically.
Getting riled up and flipping out is such a bad idea because I often find myself arresting someone who just moments before, might have been about to cut loose. I detain people to investigate an incident and no one leaves until Iโm done with my investigation and determine that there is no crime, or whose story matches with evidence at the scene and witness testimony.
Buuuut that takes time. Some people canโt wrap their heads around, โno you are not under arrest right now, but no, you cannot leaveโ and then the next thing I know Iโm fighting a guy (or gal).
Stay cool bro and thanks for your support. It is very welcome! Hit me up if you have any questions about police work.
gwlemaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:01:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are either under arrest of free to go in most states. Either have PC or don't. But then again most people have the right to remain silent...just not the ability.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh okay thanks for letting me know how to do my job.
๐
gwlemaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:13:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do all the time. Sometimes I win. Sometimes I don't.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo you just step in and tell a subject matter expert how to do their job and then stand back and shrug and say, โWell, I tried to make it known that Iโm smarter than you and failed. Guess Iโll go bother someone else.โ?
Why? I mean, are you a lawyer or a police officer? If so weโll debate the nuance behind investigative detention all day.
But if youโre some arm chair internet hero... no thanks.
gwlemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:15 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why you so stuck on being the expert. You go to law school?
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:25 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahah.
gwlemaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stay silent ask for a lawyer. Cops aren't entitled to anything but identification. And if you aren't being detained you can walk away. Cops think they know case law. They should just stick to the plane language of the constitution. We have several officers around that smells pot with every stop. Yet only find any in 10% of the stops. It is all pretext. With the supreme Court talking about property rights maybe things will change. What you are talking about is throwing Pirtle down the toilet.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay buddy. Try to walk away while a police officer is investigating a crime and see how far you get.
Weed stink sticks to everything. If you want to be a shithead and smoke dope donโt be the least bit surprised when a cop smells the residue that is EVERYWHERE in the car and searches it.
Iโd also like to know where you got 10% from. Care to cite that for me? But beyond that, Iโm not so much of a dickhead that Iโm going to take someone to jail over shake. Maybe I should and get your imaginary attics back up where they should be.
Get real.
gwlemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't walk away, wouldn't you then be in custody, require Pirtle or Miranda? Greeno v State 861 N.E. 2d 1232. Officer yelled stop..walked away. Evidence suppressed. Mj v State ...ran away... resisting overturned.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can try that if you want.
gwlemaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:50 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Between the states where it is legal and like you say it sticks...not really probable cause. If he doesn't have PC I will be fine. Weasel consent or get around giving the advisements. Respect for the law goes both ways.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:51 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That wasnโt a coherent thought.
The odor of weed is PC. That is case law. Not the visual sighting of weed. I operate within the bounds of the law as it is interpreted by the magistrate judges who sign my arrest warrants, homie.
You can bang it out in State court with the county prosecutor about PC and case law, but youโre probably not going to win that fight.
gwlemaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:19 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"not really"
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:21 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, weโre done. Youโre pretty obviously high as a kite and unable to form coherent thoughts.
Enjoy the next time you get pulled over. Maybe itโll be me!
๐ค๐ฝ
gwlemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:42 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the state bar wouldn't like that. Squeaky clean. Raising six kids with my wife of 11 years. Yep, I am a peace of shit. Sometimes I even preach on Sundays. I won't bore you with the titles I have held. Suffice to say I have put people in jail before. Learn to converse as a human and not your title. Your job is not who you are...I hope. My bro in law retired after 20 on the force. He got tired of all the power trippers. Sad really. Now does what he loves flying.
Liberty is becoming a precious commodity. If only you were as serious about protecting that. More concerned about a society and snow flake kids that think banning some gun will cure the evil in some men's hearts.
Human_musics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:57 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Iโm a friggin astronaut.
gwlemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:17 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your right "I smell pot" when a car is involved is pretty tough right now. But with every state that legalizes it will become easier to suppress. Throwing people in jail for pot is stupid. DUI have at it, go get em. Model code remember says without a prescription. In Ohio and Michigan you can have a prescription. So the next challenge will be in Indiana when someone has an Ohio script. I would bet the public defenders where you work a really under funded.
Slayerworld7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:08:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you get your CISSP? lol
badboythrowaway2018 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:17:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, no. I DID go through the whole book, cover-to-cover, but as soon as I got out I set it aside. Part of me doesn't want to go near it, as it's been "tainted" with my jail experience.
MimosasMadeMeDoIt ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:59:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. That sounds better than a friend i know that got put in OPP. He was in for drugs. Being that he was a tiny, gay white dude, his life was a living hell while there. His mom refused to bail him out because the drugs had gotten out of control. Heโd done multiple rehab stays, but he kept going back. I donโt remember all the details, but it wasnโt his first go around. She wanted to teach him a lesson and scare him. Well it worked. First day there, they were overpopulated. Their solution? Tents outside. He got punched in the face for looking at someone the wrong way so his glasses were smashed. He was pretty much blind and couldnโt see shit. He begged the officers to let him call his mom to send another pair but they wouldnโt allow it. He was basically some big dudes bitch for the time he was there, he said it was the only way he survived. Heโs been clean and sober for about 2 years now.
WintendoU ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He actually had to do sexual things?
MimosasMadeMeDoIt ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:25:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs never gone into detail, but yeah. He feared if he didnโt and lost his protection, the other prisoners would have killed him. The officers tended to look the other way on a lot of things.
WintendoU ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its sad that the only way to get justice would be for him to track the officer down and harm them directly. But that would just get him in jail for longer.
Its sucks how bad we have let officers and prison guards get. They people know they will never be punished for abusing others.
GongTheHawkEye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does he still talk to his mom?
MimosasMadeMeDoIt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He does and he understands now why she wouldnโt bail him out. He put her through hell and back with his drug abuse for years. She felt guilty for what happened while he was in there, but he said he needed that reality check to snap him out of it. Theyโre both in a better place in their lives now.
jerizer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:20:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Orleans parish prison (now Orleans correction center I think? or detention center) is awful. glad your stay wasn't "that bad". has to be one of the worst prisons
to anyone reading who comes for mardi gras.. don't piss in public, don't fuck with the horses, don't fight, don't mess with the cops.
Reflog4Life ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OPP is no joke. Lived in Nola for four years. I never got arrested somehow but had many friends do from a couple of days to a couple of months. This is prior to the federal crackdown on how Sheriff Guzmann was running the prison. Every guard was corrupt smuggling in all kinds of contraband at ease. Inmates would be let out days at a time as long as they returned. Inmates routinely died from suicide, lack of medication or murder. All swept under the rug. A buddy was in for a few weeks until he made bail. Granted he did get busted with 30 pounds of weed but the hilarious part is when you get processed your clothes are just thrown into a big bin. He was so ready to get out instead of digging he comes out in like a size 44 pair of Fubu jeans (he is like a 32). A tank top and no shoes. I've never laughed as hard as I did that day in the parking lot when he walked out.
jerizer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao.
Youre a good man for picking him up.
I lived in nola for my first 19 years of life and beleive every word you typed. I avoided opp, but found my way into BR and ascension parish jails. I suspect they were tame compared to opp.
ejambu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OPP!
thr33r3starts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you really gotta fuck up to get arrested during MG ๐
mjvmcj61417 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:46:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got arrested for marijuana a while back. I spent the first 30 hours alone in a booking cell in a turtle suit. I mostly was just pissed because I wasn't suicidal and wanted to know what was going on, when I'd get real clothes, when I could call my family, etc. At one point the next morning, they brought over the inmates from the housing blocks that were going to court and put a couple of them in my holding cell to wait. Hindsight, they were probably more unsure of me than I was of them because turtle suits automatically made people think you were crazy.
After finally getting cleared by the psychiatrist, they let me change into oranges (real underwear and pants never felt so good) and took me to the housing block. I remember being intimidated when I first walked in because people will swarm you when you're new to find out what you're in for, and whether you're on detox meds that they can try and bribe you for. (I wasn't)
The worst part was the food and additional lockdowns because people wanted to be hardasses.
Overall experience 0/10, wouldn't recommend.
Mikeychims85 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:19:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do that they put you in a turtle suit?
mjvmcj61417 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:48:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I answered their suicide screening questions wrong, apparently. "Are you suicidal?" No. "Do you want to hurt yourself?" No. "Do you have a job?" No. (I was supposed to move right before I got arrested.) "Do you have any kids?" No. "What are you looking forward to?" ...what do you mean? I'm sitting in fucking jail right now.
Turtle suit.
FeloniousSwagger ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 15:56:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first time, "why is everyone watching me make my bed?"(I didn't know the proper sheet tying procedure)...Everytime after that," who's got a coffee for an envelope/ wanna play spades?/ look at that guy try to make his bed"
Sonyw810 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:32:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha fucking spades. And listening to those guys shuffle cards, and then tap them on the table. I still have nightmares.
FeloniousSwagger ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:51:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tie each end of that tiny sheet on the corners, like the head and toe of bed. And that specific sound of cards and dominoes slapped onto a metal table
itsnotcalledchads ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is funny.
FeloniousSwagger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've got tons of funny and real stories about the whole aspect if that life, addiction, in and out and parole..and how hard it is to come back from it..pm me for more
payday_vacay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you ever read denis johnson
FeloniousSwagger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish, reading there is more of random stuff with a few good books mixed, or people have their families send them amazon books and series, once they are done then it gets passed around. Usually like a 400 page fiction novel every 2 or 3 days. And on to the next one
CVanScythe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many desserts did you lose?
Sonyw810 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:36:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meat sticks and cheese squeezers were our currency. Deserts were shit anyways nobody wanted them.
Edit: sometimes I got a PB and J from the diabetic dude. ๐ he snores extremely loud so I donโt even feel bad.
CVanScythe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We had some pretty awesome chocolate mousse, so it was usually dessert or breakfast that was bet.
FeloniousSwagger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first lost a few, after a while started winning ramens, damn that shit food has never tasted so good as the belogna days. Saw one dude take another guys shoes into the bathroom(half cement wall) and shit on em, dude who got his shoes pooped on relazied it, confronted first inmate on the phone, while inmate number 1 beat his ass whith the phone reciever. Straight unconscious and shaking, day 1 of the Milwaukee House of Corrections..
CelestiallySeasoned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You had sheets?
EddieHaskellIsGod ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me the claustrophobia set in right away. My mind immediately went to 'how do I get the hell outta here?'
Might_be_sleeping ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thought immediately after this is where you realize where you are
Sirloin_Tips ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 15:38:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
36hrs in the drunk tank. Everyone was super cool. Played spades and the losers had to do pushups. Everything stunk, especially the food.
Youse_a_choosername ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 17:14:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. My kids and I bet each other using push-ups as currency. Good to know I'm preparing them for many possibilities.
BlackManMoan ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to figure out who I could trust to release my wallet to so I could bail out without my parents finding out.
They found out.
Corsair3820 ยท 239 points ยท Posted at 16:02:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I went to jail, I went to Central Booking to schedule my community service. I was immediately handcuffed write out the cut and was Pitbull chain to a chair for 1 hour, very confused. They told me that due to the discretion of the warden and a pending trial that technically I was innocent until proven guilty, they were going to give me straight time. The booking officer who I watched his lunch for an hour in the back claimed he had call the warden which was a lie and said I was just going to go to jail instead. I asked for some phone numbers out of my phone which was sitting next to me in a bag. They refused. I had no phone numbers, nobody knew where I was except that I had gone to jail to schedule my community service and was immediately strip-searched and thrown into a concrete box. In the first few minutes of sitting there I realized that all the dumb s*** that I have done to get there really wasn't worth it. It was terrifying demoralizing and really really boring. The food was horrendous, they neglected to give me my three meds I was on despite the fact I was a seizure risk. Life Pro tip stay the f*** out of jail.
Jorricha ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:22:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit they pull like that is bs. I went to the courthouse on the correct date and time to pay a minor in possession ticket (class c misdemeanor) and the judge threw me in jail just because he wanted to make a point. Noone knew where I was either.
Corsair3820 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The punishment in these cases often does not fit the crime. Society doesn't get served, you don't get served in terms of actual help, nobody wins. The judge should have ordered mandatory outpatient treatment for a small. Of time pending good behavior. Not a concrete box where you sit around smelling other peoples farts, doing nothing for yourself or Society. I would have been way better off doing community service and going to AA then sitting around doing nothing
Corsair3820 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be better laws and regulations to ensure proper communication with the outside. It's insane that people on minor charges get blocked off from the world like this.
Nata420 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm am not understanding this, eli5 you are innocent until proven guilty, trial pending, but the warden just decides to keep you because why? I really do not understand these circumstances.
Corsair3820 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:04:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I learned later that if you have pending charges they use some BS about you possibly being a Flight Risk and just keep you in jail for quote on quote Public Safety
Nata420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:24:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the dumbest shit ive ever heard. I mean depending on the charge. Flight risk I can see for something major but I'm assuming since you were there to sign up for community service then the original charge must not have been that terrible. I thought we had a po-dunk jailer round my parts but Ive never seen nothing like that.
Corsair3820 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pending charges equal strait time here if you have anything else hanging above your head. It's not fun.
Nata420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:43:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you at least receive time served if convicted? I mean that is just shitty.
Corsair3820 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I would have much rather have done community service
Fawxhox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that it matters that much but the saying is "quote unquote" not "quote on quote".
whitetrafficlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair "quote unquote" is a dumb phrase anyway, so it's pretty understandable that people get it wrong. It should be "quote Public Safety unquote", not ""quote unquote Public safety.
Lord0Trade ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:59:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, if they had cameras and microphones then you've got an easy case for sueing the state
Corsair3820 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could. But any chain of evidence on their end you can assure yourself will not help me. Also my lawyer told me that it would be thousands and thousands of dollars and years and probably just a plea bargain or some other b*******. It's very hard to fight the man especially on charges were I wasn't injured but just in the potential of injury.
TheAlptraum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:44:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you sue that prison lol
Corsair3820 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:30:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The cost would outweigh any reparations I would get. They're very good at covering their asses.
myfantasyalt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but muh police.
to quote the internet:
"don't see anyone writing songs called 'fuck the fire department'."
LostNTheNoise ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:54:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The weird thing about this is once I had community service and I had to schedule and do it on my own, then get a letter from the place where I went and then that into the court. A clerk looked it, told me that what I did was approved, clicked a few keys and that was it.
DeathSlyce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That last part hit me hard. My uncle died in the county jail here due to neglect like that. He caught pneumonia. They didn't give him medicine. Then he basically went into a coma. Inmates testified that they had just out him on a cart unconscious and just hosed him down and threw him back in the cell. Them they overdosed him and he died. His son, who was 6, now has 100k and the piece of shit that did that to him is rotting in prison. Hopefully hell soon.
Corsair3820 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear that. I talk to other inmates who hadn't gotten their meds in 3 months. It's pretty crazy. When I left finally, I was shaking so badly the CO who was taking me back to booking ask me why I was in such bad shape. I told him that I've been asking for meds 3 times a day for the whole time I was there and they wouldn't give me anything though they promised they would every time. I watched a man with an amputated leg asking the nurse why they discontinued his Motrin because he was in pain. They refused to give it to him because that's just how it was. Terrifying. Our jails are a hair's breadth away from Mexico.
hokeyWB ยท 417 points ยท Posted at 15:02:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went though the whole admission process and didn't think anything at all.
I was only in the cell for an hour or so, but mostly I thought about how my platoon commander was going to be pissed.
After an hour some senior screw read my paperwork and came to pull me out. He handed me over to the MPs... who dragged out behind the building and smacked me around for a while. I was given all the shitty jobs on base for about a year, but nothing was ever documented.
Drizzit222 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:45:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that was for the best?
hokeyWB ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 15:47:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure! I would take a light beating and a year of shit chores over an assult rap any day of the week!
jamesno26 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:48:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's your offense, if you don't mind me asking?
hokeyWB ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Assult.
Basically I had been away with the Army for 6 weeks straight, getting almost no sleep while learning how to kill people. On the day I got back, instead of sleeping I let my housemate talk me into going to a gig. Where I drank.
When the night was over I stopped by this shitty 24/7 burger shack and ordered a meal. It was 3am or so, and I was the only person in there. After waiting 25 long minutes for my burger and chips... this little shit comes to the counter and calls out my number. I go up to get the food, and he asks for my ticket. I briefly look in my wallet and pockets etc and then tell him that I can't find it.
At this point the kid says "No ticket, no food" and then throws my meal into the bin!!!
Before I even had a chance to think about what I was doing I jumped the counter, threw the kid onto the ground, put my knee on the back of his head, pulled the food out of the bin... and proceeded to force it down his throat.
I did not get very far before a co-worker pulled me off him... which I will always be grateful for... I did not want to hurt anyone.
[deleted] ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 17:03:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like you definitely wanted to hurt someone lol
KuntaStillSingle ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:31:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should have got chaptered, it's a satisfying read but concerning lack of discipline.
_postingaccount_ ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:17:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy sounds like an asshole though.
exemplariasuntomni ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:18:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck that prick
rickymorty ยท -54 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just following protocol, maybe autistic, fuck this guy for flaunting the rules and getting violent when someone wouldn't break the rules for him
Hydrottle ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:15:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All aboard the downvote train!
rickymorty ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 18:16:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, because the downvote button is a "disagree!" button, classic reddit
Hydrottle ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:17:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you expect to attack someone and not get downvoted? It's not really contributing to conversation anyways
Schmibitar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:50:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean.. OP did...
rickymorty ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 18:33:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suggesting an alternative to his narrative where he, in a "folksy" way, attempts to make assault deserved? That's contributing a whole lot more than the echo-chamber that agrees with his whole "but he was the only customer!" line
Hydrottle ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:38:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think he is arguing the assault was justified. He even stated he didnโt want to be violent. He described the bad decisions that led up to the event and the event that caused it all to trigger. I think we can all agree the employee was an ass, but I donโt think people here necessarily agree that he deserved to get assaulted, especially OP.
rickymorty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really how the thread is going buddy...
"[โ]Shady-McGrady [score hidden] 24 minutes ago I have no problem with that. As long as no ones getting shot or permanently injured, i believe every dude should get their ass kicked every once in a while (me included) keeps us humble."
And no, I don't think we can all agree that the employee was an ass. We only have the very biased retelling of an obviously primtive jackass, so I would say that we don't have enough information to agree on that at all...
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice big words pal. Judging by your username you watch Richardson and Mortimer. Very smart.
rickymorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It takes quite an IQ...
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic
rickymorty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:09:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You might not have the necessary IQ...
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm just going to assume you're being serious
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In this moment itโs just you being a dick and people not appreciating it
rickymorty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:25:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I first got to this thread, comments like "It sounds like you definitely wanted to hurt someone lol" didn't exist. Everybody was on OP's side, and nobody was acknowledging that OP was a monster. OP even created a throwaway to try to harass me and steer the thread further in his favor, so excuse me for proving a fucking point...
The_Doreman ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:01:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's the only fucking customer. He doesn't need his ticket.
rickymorty ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:02:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, common sense dictates that he doesn't, but it's not your fucking business, is it?
The_Doreman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:06:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The employee was on a power trip. He fucked with the wrong person. Had he not been uncooperative and obtuse he would have made a sale for his company, not wasted food, and bot have been beat up, and OP wouldn't have been arrested.
There are no winners here.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:56:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โHe fucked with the wrong person.โ No, he did what he was supposed to do. If Private Dumbass had held on to his ticket like a normal person, this wouldnโt have happened. Instead he leaps over a counter, beats someone, and shoves food from the trashcan down their throat. All of this coming from someone who is supposed to be a model of discipline.
The_Doreman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:03:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously I don't condone the assault. By saying he fucked with the wrong person, I mean 99.785% of the population would not have done this, and he did it to someone who was not only physically capable, but actually did it.
you can use this: > symbol to quote someone in a comment.
rickymorty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So being pedantic is a valid excuse for reason to assault someone?
The cook followed the rules too closely you might say, but still, perfectly within the agreed upon system.
What if you don't want to spend your mental energy listening to people's bullshit contextual excuses as to why they want things differently? Why can't someone just robotically follow the rules and system in place? He gets the order, cooks the food and gives it to someone that has the ticket that verified that they paid for the food. It's made that way for a reason. The dude didn't want to be flexible, and the neanderthal beat him up.
OP is the only one that did something illegal.
I don't know about winners, but OP is certainly a loser.
The_Doreman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:26:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of society would we live if everyone blindly followed the rules in place, no matter the situation? If no one ever exercised their judgement? If no one showed a bit of empathy, a bit of understanding, towards others?
And OP isn't the only loser here, here's a list
Losers:
Cook: Was pinned to the ground and had food shoved down his throat
OP: Arrested and beaten by military police
Company: lost a sale
Planet earth: some poor animal for dipshit cook to throw it the trash for no fucking reason.
rickymorty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Judgement can be exercised when appropriate, and it can be advantageous, but it's a "bonus"; a plus which is not in the job description. You can't force somebody to do it. That's exactly why we have the rules; what kind of world would it be if everybody exercised their own judgement all the time? Everybody would be judge, jury and executioner as per their own subjective standards. That's why we have the rules and laws in place.
In contrast, a primitive douche decided to break the rules and assaulted somebody. What did the other guy do wrong? Technically, absolutely nothing. In fact, technically, he avoided doing something wrong.
What if he was autistic? And he can't think about rules in such an abstract way? What if all he knows how to do is to follow the rules, and he's damn glad he found a job that had such a strict structure in place? And then this animal comes along and is pissed that somebody won't play ball with him, so he beats the shit out of him. Where was his empathy and understanding?
If everybody followed the rules, we wouldn't have this problem, much less other problems.
The_Doreman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I strongly disagree. The capacity to exercise our judgement is what makes us human, and although it's not in the job description, it's certainly what employers are looking for in workers.
Obviously, I do not condone jumping the counter and force feeding this guy. If he was autistic and incapable of comprehending he was acting like an a-hole, I'd feel bad for the guy. If he was just exercising his power to rain on someone's parade, I'd feel substantially less bad.
Edit: messed up my italics
rickymorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you edit it in under like a minute or something, the asterix doesn't come up so nobody even knows you've edited it, FYI
Sure, it may make us human, and in an ideal society, we'd all be benevolently objective at all times. But, so individuals wouldn't have to worry about that at all hours of the day, we've creates rules and laws. My point comes comes down to "yes, he could've just exercised judgement, but he didn't have to. His "crime" of not bending the rules pales in comparison to what was done to him by OP, and I've stayed up waaay past my bed-time arguing about this because reddit's complicity in OP's story feels primitive. The story seems biased as fuck anyway, so I'm sure there's some parts missing, but even if there weren't, fuck OP and everybody like him that thinks that the cook should've "complied for his own good"
The_Doreman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure who you're quoting at the end there or when you say his crime, but right back at ya mate.
Edit: Oh and good night
kaiochrisx4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I understand your view point on this I just have to say that everyone has situations that set them off and make them act at least a little animalistic. Some people..rude fry-cooks set them off. Other people...seeing someone be interrupted in a group conversation and then forcibly making them listen to what the other person has to say is what sets them off. It seems to me in both cases someone is acting in response to someone else being rude and is forcibly trying to make their stance be known.
rickymorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but I'm sure you can see the drastic difference between the two examples you've given. In the social instance, the person is using socially agreed-upon strategies and appropriate actions to do something, without actually harming anybody.
In the other, you are laying hands on somebody. Physically hurting them because they didn't do what you wanted them to do.
As a society, we have systems, which consist of not only rules but of protocols in case we need to raise a grievance. In most cases, the "protocol" is to say something, which is not only appropriate, but most of the time, gets the desires result.
This is literally what separates us from the animals. We, as a species, have decided that when somebody doesn't do what we want, we no longer have to physically attack them; we can use words. Talk to the chef, the manager etc. I doubt he would've even have had to even raise a formal complaint; if he followed our "cultured" protocols, he could've easily used words to fix the situation. A few words to the manager would've fixed it, and (this is why I keep repeating that "OP" has obviously told a biased story) chances are that "better" words to the chef would've stopped it from becoming an issue in the first place.
But he went the primitive route. We, as a species, have agreed that we wouldn't do that anymore. Any every time a member of our society does, we all get held back as a culture.
kaiochrisx4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I completely agree with you there. I am in no way defending the OP here. What he did was not only wrong but incredibly primitive..I'm just saying that everyone has different things that set them off and I, personally, just don't agree with judging anyone or using the harsh words that you did against anyone without having more than one example. For instance, everyone here probably assumed that you're a complete asshole for the way you are talking to this guy but I can't judge you based on that.
There are certain ways to twist anything to fit anyone's agenda, though. For instance, you used autism as a way to drive your point home that maybe that was the reason...however, who's to say that the person who interrupted the group discussion wasn't autistic and doesn't really understand social normalities and manners? I'm not trying to come off rude to you or anything...I'm just saying there are also certain ways to USE those words that separate us from animals in a way that isn't so condescending.
Jeezimus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:15:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He shouldn't have done that... But that is rage inducing af. Power tripping asshole employee for sure. Sometimes pieces of shit fuck with the wrong person.
rickymorty ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love any opportunity that allows me to follow the rules perfectly while some moron gets upset because I refuse to bend the rules for them.
Sometimes, the world doesn't want to spend the time to get to know him and his shitty story. Get your shit together like most of the rest of the world and you won't need to behave like an animal. Tough break, the rules are that way for a reason, and I fucking love being robotic about it. Reddit usually loves it too, there's entire subs about similarly themed retail revenge stories, but it's all about how the story is phrased.
Today, reddit loves the neanderthal. When automation becomes even more commonplace, my time will come, mark my words
sageadam ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A ticket is to make sure the food goes to the right customers. If there's only one customer, why the fuck would you need a ticket to verify ? Part of any job is to have the brain capacity to handle things differently under different circumstances, genius.
rickymorty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if I was that employee, I'd say that I wasn't hired for my customer recognition skills. Maybe he's not so good at recognizing people? Maybe he thought the real customer was outside?
I have a feeling, nobody ever sat down and said to him "if there's only one guy there, give him the food". They must've said to him "the food goes to the ticket holder" though.
Unreasonable? Maybe, it's his right to be unreasonable. He wasn't hired to be making executive decisions such as when to obey the law his employer set forth or not. However, he knows for a fact that technically, he's done nothing wrong if he obey's the letter of the law to the dot...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Jeezimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7y70f6/what_are_some_common_signs_that_a_person_is_toxic/duebrkn/
This is your example.
rickymorty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm sorry, did I ruin your fun by not applauding a primitive ass beating a chef because he didn't do what he wanted?
Apart from trying to sound clever, I'm really not getting what you're trying to say, can you elaborate how your point is connected to what I said?
whydobabiesstareatme ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know why you're being downvoted to hell and back? Your self-righteous, sanctimonious attitude. We get it. You follow the rules. You love the rules. If the rules had a dick, you would deepthroat that thing. Congratulations.
Corsair3820 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:28:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I smell neck beard. Careful! This man studies the blade.
rickymorty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In real life? Not really. But tonight? Fuck yeah, I'd swallow all the rules. OP is exactly the kind of primitive dick that I hate and I'll suck off anything that opposes his bullshit
Jeezimus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OP went to jail. OP deserved to go to jail. No one is saying otherwise.
However, the other guy's behavior was also completely out of line, even if you think he was in the right. Do you really think that his manager would've condoned that behavior? As a result of his actions, he incited extreme anger in a customer by doing what any reasonable person would've been able to tell was a stupid action.
Even if OP didn't react in the way they did, what the employee did was stupid, idiotic, and pretty clearly power tripping. If I was their manager, I would be writing them up for sure.
Regarding your post that you posted only 4 days ago about being terrified about making things "not fun," I'm pointing out that you are doing that right now. You are being a self-righteous asshole. It's why you're being downvoted.
I'm going in on you so hard because you asked me to. I hope you can step back from the situation, take a deep breath, and learn something.
rickymorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no I appreciate the explanation, but it still doesn't make sense. I feel like you're really reaching to connect my self-righteousness to the "not fun" comment, but let's leave that for a moment...
Let's say he was power-tripping. So what? What law says he can't do that? Do you really want to live in a world where you gotta "watch your mouth"? I would prefer to live in a world where dicks can be outright dicks, out loud using words, as much as they want. Hell, I'd even heavily encourage it as long as in the same world, nobody resorts to physical violence.
Words won't hurt you. Power tripping won't hurt you. It might irritate you, but it won't give you a concussion. I got self-righteous because the thread was heavily swaying to suggest that the kid "deserved" what he got, which is just fucking stupid
throwaway13376663432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
just so you know, you are a piece of shit
myfantasyalt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:49:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is one of those guys that shoots up his office and we all wonder wtf happened because "he had no record" type things... institutional failure that let him go with no justice served beyond a fucked up quasi street justice beating is indefensible
rickymorty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:15:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Finally, somebody that gets it. Kudos on understanding the kind of problem that this kind of person poses
rickymorty ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:51:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So complain to management, you fucking neanderthal
UnshadedEurasia001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying what you did was right but man, what a dick move by that worker. How did he react?
Riggem404 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know. .... I'm not condoning your actions. But if your story is 100% truthful. .... the little shit deserved it.
I bet he thinks twice before treating people like that again.
This is why I refuse to get involved in a road rage pissing match. That other guy might be an idiot, and I don't feel like dying in my 30s in an accident to prove that I was right. I just say, "Wow what an asshole " and go on my merry way
Socialistrevolt24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you by any chance the punisher?
Schmibitar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why people don't trust the justice system.
MisterPoopyButthole2 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is great.
ContagiousInfidel ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:16:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn son. Hard to say that I wouldn't do the same thing.
Antares777 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said assault on another comment.
1075701 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds legal
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:12:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should go to an audiologist.
Ownza ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 17:42:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did you know that there is a thing called veterans court where they get preferential treatment???? Like..seriously.. drug charge? Your a vet, go to a rehab center. boom. bunch missed child support? no jail for you, your a vet!... Your a vet, and managed to get into prison? Released early as long as you go to this rehab center were sending you to!
normal person? you are fucked. off to prison forever for you.
FTC_Films ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:34:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's fair. Veterans court is for minor offences. If you dedicated your life to serving your country, you should get some special treatments besides free pancakes at ihop one day a year. A lot of these vets coming home have some serious mental trauma and they shouldn't be forgotten like they almost always are.
OfficerZooey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's not really how it works. Many courts employ "specialty courts" like drug courts, veteran's courts, etc. that are there to focus on very specific groups of people. This is an effort to rehabilitate. The programs are typically EXTREMELY demanding and time consuming so while they're not going to jail right off the bat, I wouldn't say they're getting off easy.
I only have experience with a Drug Court (used to be a Drug Court PO) but the criteria for acceptance isn't just "oh you have a drug charge" it's strict and they don't accept violent or habitual offenders. So Veteran's Courts are likely aimed at those who came by their drug charges possibly due to PTSD and/or issues that have arisen due to their veteran status.
Also, plenty of them go to jail. Miss a random drug test? Warrant. Jail. Miss your treatment appointment? Jail.
areyouinsanelikeme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wait like literally hit you?
Muerteds ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:26:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No! No one in the military every used percussive counseling on a rock-headed junior enlisted. That's so crass.
Instead, they would order the junior enlisted to percussive counsel themselves. But in the interests of saving time, they would supplant verbal orders with hand signals. And maybe foot signals.
hokeyWB ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:07:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit yes. Just fists, no batons or anything. They were pissed that they had to deal with the local cops. I got a black eye, sore ribs, and eating was painful for a week or so. I got off lightly!
Cjb9012 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How long ago was this roughly
hokeyWB ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1990?
Shady-McGrady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do to get arrested?
rickymorty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He assaulted a fry-cook that wouldn't give him food because he lost his ordering ticket. Completely his fault, and instead of asking management nicely if they could make an exception, he jumped the counter and beat the shit out of some kid
throwaway13376663432 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:01:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man you are really chasing this comment section aren't you?
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 18:03:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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throwaway13376663432 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:20:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, username does check out.
Mkrah ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:47:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna take bets he had a fit a few months ago about the meme sauce?
throwaway13376663432 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit I totally forgot about that lol. That was a display of the wrongtypeof autism.
Uncle_Daddy_Kane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's as mean as Rick and as dumb as Morty. Terrible combination
Shady-McGrady ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with that. As long as no ones getting shot or permanently injured, i believe every dude should get their ass kicked every once in a while (me included) keeps us humble.
rickymorty ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's so fucking primitive. Every head injury could cause permanent damage, every assault could psychologically traumatize someone and have lasting consequences... Try thinking about what you said from the perspective of an even more advanced civilization; you should be ashamed to be so backwards.
Fuck you and your naive bullshit, I'm perfectly capable of learning and being humble without being physically beaten.
But if you get off on it, I'm sure you can find plenty of like-minded folk to whip you and get whipped by you. Collect all your people and go start a village somewhere, and I'll take my "pedantic" people and we'll see which society flourishes.
HiMyNameIs_REDACTED_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:58:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sanctuary, in Denver, is apparently pretty nice. I have some friends who go there.
Never been my thing, but you do you I guess.
Shady-McGrady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:24 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
jesus man, have you been in a fight before? It doesn't have to be some worldstarhiphop type fight man where two drunk idiots are swinging haymakers, fights can even occur without punches being thrown... I'm not saying me and my friends wake up and beat the shit out of each other. I'm more saying that violence is the fastest way to get through to another dude.
Obviously, you can sit and talk... but then your conversation end up like this:
These is fighting words my friend, it's clear that brought something personal up and sure I'll apologize for that, but let's be clear: you obviously have some fucking rage that you keep bottled inside of you - and every once in a while a little tussle is good to let off steam.
ruintheenjoyment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nowadays he'd be rich after suing them.
gadaspir ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:08:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no its the military this shit still happens man
HiMyNameIs_REDACTED_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:56:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The law requires that I answer no.
Instead, you are going to fall down some stairs. Repeatedly.
Perhaps, in the future, you will remember what it feels like to fall down some stairs, and refrain from the actions which will result in that.
areyouinsanelikeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow I'm sorry that happened to you.
TomAss886 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to military life.
PM_ME_UR_ASS_GIRLS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that surprising?
Joedude43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's a platoon commander?
Atarka-WorldRender ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:10:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The commander of the platoon?
melancholyswiffer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commanding officer. He's in the military. Thus the mps
GordonGekkbro ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:51:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its cold in here
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:07:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kingpoulet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is that such a serious offence... This astounds me. Where I'm from they just confiscate your drink and leave you alone Jesus Christ spending a night in jail for such a trivial thing is insane to me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lslarko ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:11:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Immediately tried to roll a double.
testtubesnailman ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:04:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Ah, snake eyes." "That's a 5 and a 3"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lslarko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:42:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monopoly roll a double to get out of jail.
DeepRoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes, that makes so much more sense. Thanx for the clarification. You may disregard my questionable correction.
lslarko ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be honest doubie was a pretty amusing idea as well.
DeepRoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, hey, it made more sense to me, considering the situation. :-D
Onyyyyy ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 18:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went through I take with 20 dudes. As we walk down a ling hallway I see some inmates mopping, which I thought was strange because it had to be 3am. As I got closer I could see they were mopping up a 4 foot wide puddle of blood.
My thought was, fuck this lifestyle that got me here and fuck dying here.
[deleted] ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 16:01:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Girion47 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:31:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sup Mitnick
Cooleosis ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 20:29:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Aaaand here we have the mass murderers, the gangbangers, the drug dealers...'
'What about this one?'
'Oh, that's just the DDOSer. Nobody gives a damn about them.'
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:18:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do?
[deleted] ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 17:42:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He kept enhancing.
Gr_Cheese ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:42:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ENHANCE!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He shouldda stopped at level 8
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damnit, first genuine laugh of the day
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:46:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MrMustangRider ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:00:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What type of things were on the list? If you don't mind sharing of course.
hufflecat ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:11:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He used Napster and Metallica pressed charges.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's no longer allowed near a computer, maybe, and telling you about it may land him back into jail again?
MrMustangRider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that is the case then I assume he wouldn't tell. I did say "if you don't mind sharing" after all.
g0atmeal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They went to the Disney website without their parent's permission.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
pm me plz
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did you didn't answer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay cheers.
Slayerworld7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could we get more info? This is so interesting to me.
Smile_lifeisgood ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:37:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna guess he downloaded an episode of Game of Thrones but was only behind 5 proxies.
88isafat69 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:49:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually got a call from my provider telling me to stop torrenting game of thrones lol
shocktar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got a few letters back in the day.
88isafat69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:32 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do I do, download it at Starbucks? Lol
Slayerworld7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My guess he forgot to HTML his VPN. Gets em every time.
Dr_Marxist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heya Kevin.
MrGostaaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:46:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
ProfessionalThroat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who did you hack
spaghatta111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder about the quiet people, non violent people who cause no trouble, just go in and do their time... what do you do to pass that time?
printmyplastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chess with other inmates, chess by mail, college courses by mail, books, TV. Covers almost everything just about. Maybe if you're feeling edgy help a fellow inmate get a few years knocked off their sentence because their lawyer was incompetent and get sent to solitary for unauthorized practice of law.
tarnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should just swivel to PEN testing. Same fun, get paid.
Neigh6orhood_Creep ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:32:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got caught with marijuana in the mail and had a 6 month sentence. I was in jail for only 45 days with work release where I could be at work for 12 hours a day, and the other 135 days on the ankle bracelet. Upon entering, it was just a "here we go" feeling. The first couple days were boring but once I got to hit the library and get books plus meet people who liked to play cribbage and bs about sports then it started to feel a little more comfortable. I got out 11 months ago and part of me still misses it in a weird way.
eazolan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that people miss the routine.
Twistywin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get caught?
Neigh6orhood_Creep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A K9 smelled it en-route in St Paul. It was being sent to a friend's house and when it came late, the USPS delivery man was part of a local drug task force.
Twistywin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow thatโs some shite luck.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I've never even considered doing this, but like did you have to sign for the package or something? USPS just drops my amazon shit right in front of my door (which to me is annoying) but like what? You really fucked up somewhere.
Neigh6orhood_Creep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, a friend who I paid to accept deliveries signed for it. There was between 75-100 total over 5 years to multiple houses that never had an issue. Prior to that, only money got lost in the mail. I blame the K9 at a transfer center
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:01:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the idiot who signed for it. I mean, if you don't sign for it you're probably fine. If not, then couldn't I just send drugs to your house until you got caught?
The k9 made you lose the package, the guy who signed for it signed your prison contract
DragonWizardKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:22 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much was in the package?
Neigh6orhood_Creep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:14 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
5 lbs, which was actually a smaller package
speaklouderpls ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 15:05:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd don't have a person experience, but wanted to say there is an amazing podcast called ear hustle that is made by a group of prisoners. It's an amazing look inside what their lives are like and how they got there. It really changed my perspective on some things.
Unterdosis ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While we're at it, I highly recommend this site publishing prison stories of convicts.
https://www.gorillaconvict.com/
MrPureinstinct ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I second Ear Hustle! I loved every episode and I'm really hoping it comes back soon with more!
asa_asb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, for recommending this.
itirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
after prison show and fresh out are also great youtube series
stillbettingonyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a mild crush on Earlonne's voice.
CherryCokeFTW559 ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 15:54:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually arrived to prison on the day of my 19th birthday. It was kind of scary going in for the first and ONLY time. There's gangs and things, loyalty to what I thought was my family at the time. I had some big ol white pride guy fall asleep on my shoulder on the whole ride there which took about 3 days. When I got there my first initial thought was OHHHH FUCKKKKK & damn, it's my birthday. I only had 30 months to do so it wasn't terrible. The irony was I was also getting out 5 days after my 21st birthday so I had something to look forward to. Walking into reception is pretty nerve wrecking. You might have to fight the second you get there. I didn't have to but getting naked in front of other men was fucking weird lol and I never got completely used to it. All in all those 3 years were a learning experience and I wouldn't change it if I could. Taught me that there IS consequences to your actions and I had to learn the hard way.
Vasconium ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 17:12:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You and I have very, very different definitions of terrible.
CherryCokeFTW559 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an optimist. I've met lifers people who will never see the light of day outside. When you have a date you have a second chance. Yes it sucked but man I had another shot at life and boy did I take it. Yes I've still made mistakes but I got out, got off parole and never went back to that shit hole.
Vasconium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess it does beat life. Glad you managed to change your life for the better, keep up the good work.
Mikeychims85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know where I live in NY you don't do the full amount of time you are sentenced to if you behave and don't get any write ups or tickets, I'm pretty sure a majority of states do the same thing.
Kachinsky17 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:39:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going in on your 19th birthday + 30 months = out 5 days after your 21st?
CherryCokeFTW559 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:52:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did 6 months in county prior to being shipped out.
dangerstar19 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:41:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very confused. You said you got in on your 19th birthday, got out 5 days after your 21st birthday (2 years), But your sentence was 30 months (2.5 years), and that you were in for 3 years.
YVOVD ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/theydidthemath
GordoFatso ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:47:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone above said that in New York you serve 80% of your sentence. 80% of 30 months is 24 months.
Maybe he's in NY? idk
fuck_off_ireland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said he did 6mo in county before going to prison proper.
justin_memer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:37:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
19 + 30 months = 2 years 6 months, so not 5 days after 21
CherryCokeFTW559 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:39:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cuz ur me and you know right? Your so dumb you don't just go straight to prison you do time in county then get sentenced then go to prison buddy. My time started when I went to county. I did 6 months there and 24 months in prison you really shouldn't open your mouth if you don't know what your talking about.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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CherryCokeFTW559 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good question. No. Just numerous layovers at different prisons during the trip. We stopped and slept at about 3 different prisons during the ride.
trytych ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:25:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for one night due to a missed child support payment. It was my fault, I didn't have the money and I knew there was the possibility but it was nearly a year later and I had continued to make payments. Turns out I had a warrant out because of the missed payment and ended up getting arrested right in the court room during a custody hearing. I spent hours in a holding cell with two other guys, a dad and son, don't remember why they had been arrested. The kid was late teens/early 20's and just had on a pair of shorts and was shivering. I was dressed up for court so gave him my undershirt to wear. I was quite a bit bigger than him so he looked ridiculous but was a little more comfortable at least. Never got the shirt back but that's ok. The biggest thing I remember was the smell. It smells like a zoo. Shit, piss, too many animals in a small place kind of stink. I finally got moved to a cell and met my first friend who was in for making terroristic threats. I felt a little inadequate with my child support charge. I got asked to play poker using little ripped up pieces of cards as chips. They weren't very good at poker and I was winning. I ended up winning someone's breakfast cake (I never did find out what that was). I then started wondering if beating these guys at poker my first night in jail was the best idea so I proceeded to lose quite a bit on purpose. About midnight I got transported to a different county where my charges had originated from. Had a nice conversation with the officer who drove me there and he let me know that the child support charges wouldn't really affect me down the road at all so that was nice. Got to the new county jail and it was twice as bad as the first one. Guys were in just screaming their heads off, obviously on drugs and mad at the world. It was a bit scary and really sad to see humans acting that way. This new county jail smelled worse than the last. Slept one night on a something that looked like a large sled because there was only one bed in the room. The next morning my dad and girlfriend showed up and paid the small amount of back child support I still had left so I didn't end up staying in for 90 days. All in all it was a terrible but eye opening experience and I hope to never have to go back. TL;DR: Jails smell terrible, people act like animals when you cage them, don't go to jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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trytych ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not Wisconsin.
M00NL0VE ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:14:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWhy didnโt I wait until I got home to do that shotโ - I said to myself as withdrawals hit and I had to shit in a room with 6 other people in it.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DragonWizardKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:08 on February 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What were the minor charges?
-eDgAR- ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 14:18:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for a couple of days when I was 20 years old. I had a bad reaction with drinking and medication and was having a panic attack when my friends called an amulance. The cops came to help EMS and they ended up handcuffing me and carrying me to the ambulance. I ended up biting one of the cops in the leg and was arrested for aggravated battery against a police officer.
I have no recollection of any of this and woke up handcuffed to a hospital bed. I was scared and all I wanted to do was to see my family. Because I was under arrest they couldn't allow that, so as soon as I was cleared they put me in the back of paddy wagon and took me to the police station. I had been arrested before for a misdemeanor and that time I was able to call my mom from holding. I kept asking for it and never got it. They told me I could get one after I was booked into county.
The next day I got to county and while I was being booked I never got a chance to make a call because they shut off the phones and threatened us with pumpkin heads because of someone acting up. One of the guys I sort of befriended named repo reassured me that once we got on deck I could make a phone call. Spent the day sitting in the bullpens waitimg to hear my name called, but it never came. The finally realized that they sort of lost me and stuck me with a random group.
Because the jail was crowded they ended up having us spent the night in maximum security where there was some room. I tried to get some sleep but my cellmate was busy chatting with a member of the same gang as him that was actually in maximum during a period of time they were slowed out of their cells. The entire time all I could think of was my family and friend and how they must hate me. That and how much I misses them.
They moved us out of there the next day and I got stuck waiting in the bullpens again until space opened up for me. It finally did and I got taken to what was to be my cell for however long it would be. What I cared about the most was finally getting to a phone and calling home.
I called my house a few times and no one picked up. I was devastated and thought that my suspicions were true that my parents hated me. You could o oh call landlines and my home phone was the only one I had memorized, so I had no one else to call. I went back to my bed and talked a little with my cellmate. He told me about a trick where you could call a cellphone and leave messages when you're leaving your name, kind of like that old commercial. I decided to call my best friend and try that. I did this a couple of times to leave messages about where I was and during the last one of these, it somehow briefly connected and I heard his voice say, "Hello" before disconnecting again. I felt like crying I was so happy to hear a familiar voice. I decided to give calling home another shot and I finally got through. My cousin had apparently forgotten the phone outside after going out for a smoke so she never heard my call. She let me know that my parents were in the process of bailing me out and I should be out of there soon.
I ended up getting out later that night, but the whole time I was there the only thing going through my mind was my family and friends and how much I missed them.
[deleted] ยท 616 points ยท Posted at 14:54:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edgar: Fjsjcidbcjdif
Cop: hmm why is he acting so weird is he having a panic attack lol
Edgar: *bites cop's leg*
Cop: EY WTF WE GOT A 4 10 OVER HERE GET HIM DOWN HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD
TheSpaceCoresDad ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:19:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised he didnโt just shoot him.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:24:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he was black he might have been shot.
hakuna_tamata ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:37:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he was a dog, the ATF would have shot him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because.. it might be funny :)?
Amerakee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:44:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, for all the cop knew op had AIDS and just infected him. His choice to get intoxicated, everything after that is a direct result of that. I feel for op, but I don't think the cop was in the wrong
Known_ ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? You think they shouldn't be trained how to deal with people under the effect of legal drugs? He bit him in the leg, clearly not an attempt at assault, directly because of how the police dealt with the situation and he should be treated as a criminal? Americans are fucking lunatics, where's your common sense?
Capn_Barboza ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
paddy wagon and US do not compute
raddaraddo ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:48:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't last 5 minutes in here.
The US I mean, not prison.
ollieliotd ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:03:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people from other countries donโt want to โlastโ there. America is a fine place to visit but not a lot of Canadians/brits I know would want to stay.
throwawaytrumper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:19:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am Canadian. Certainly want to stay in the US, looking into immigration options.
ZendrixUno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both you and /u/raddaraddo are being silly. The US is fucking huge. It's massively diverse, in terms of people, ecology, and experience.
Known_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
bahahahahahaha cringeworthy.
Amerakee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:44:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have to ask you the same question friend. If you were in the Cop's shoes, and a man who mixed substances by choice bit you after becoming intoxicated and went into something called agitated delirium and bit you, you wouldn't press charges? If you choose to mix drugs, everything you do past that is on you, as you consciously made the choice to abuse them.
To most first responders, (speaking from my own experience FF/EMT), a patient like this is highly suspect to a potential history of drug abuse, which dramatically increases blood bourne pathogens risk such as AIDS. I'm sorry, if an agitated delirium patient bit me, and I won't know for potentially weeks, I'm pressing charges as they chose to inflict those circumstances on themselves.
As for your comment about training cops to deal with these people, we do. The problem is the nature of the job. The cop can't wait at a safe distance until they wear out, they have to subdue them to prevent them from harming themselves or others. But I'm open to constructive criticism and consider myself a reasonable man. If you can create an argument for a better way to train cops to handle this or restrain agitated delirium patients, please do.
Edit: forgot a word and typo fix
Known_ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You make a fair point, but in this situation it's a man having a panic attack under the influence of alcohol and his medication. They chose to handcuff him and take him to the ambulance, instead of say, talking to his friends to figure out what's happening and waiting for him to calm down. It's a very difficult job of course but it's an incredibly important one all the same and I think it should be done by people who actually give a shit.
Amerakee ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree with that. Panic attacks can be terrifying for everyone involved, panic can make you do crazy things man. We also only have Op's perspective on this so it's hard to say one was or the other what exactly happened. I've had Troopers ride with me in the ambo with patients like this. As far as my local Troopers go, they're great, never seen them handcuff somebody who didn't need it. Usually they'll ride along as a precaution though.
combuchan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FFS, he said he had a bad reaction with drinking and medication. You're reaching way more into this laying on him with abusing this and that. You don't even know that he was informed by his doctor of the risks of mixing alcohol and medication--mine certainly haven't. If I were a cop I'd say, hmm, this guy's out of his fucking mind and go from there.
And quit your holier than thou bullshit that it was a choice. I'm 99% sure that the guy didn't have a choice to have a panic attack.
You should learn some restraint when doing your job--you sound like a vindictive dick so maybe FF/EMT really isn't for you.
Amerakee ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't consume alcohol with any mediation honestly, and I think it's fair to argue at this day and age that's common knowledge, but the ones known to cause issues there's no excuse. It's printed on the bottle. He made a bad choice to drink while on medication.
What exactly would you do during "go from there?" As you stated. What exactly do you expect first responders to do when someone is under the influence and violently lashing out (See: Bit the cop).
I'm sorry but the only vindictive dick is you my friend, given you can sum up my behavior as a first responder by a single Reddit comment. Good for you man, you should be a life coach.
You say there's no way for me to know if the doc warned him about alcohol and mediation, that's fair and he should get better doctors if that was the case, but how are you "99% sure the guy didn't have a choice?" Did he state he was coerced into mixing substances? How is it vindictive to say the cop was right pressing charges after being bitten and potentially exposed to a life long and possibly debilitation illness because of it? That's not a guaranteed conviction and is up to the courts who know much more about the situation that we do.
As I said before, I feel for the Op because he was not in control and may not of acted that way if he was sober. But he still drank while on medication, so he's still liable under the law. End of the day, all first responders want to go home safe and sound to their families, that kind of stuff cannot be without repercussions.
And lastly, you're assuming a lot about the guy that the first responders would have no way of knowing.
Maybe it would of gone differently if the first responders had full knowledge of what was going on prior to walking in but we don't always have that luxery depending on the situation.
Edit: fixed formatting and added a line.
Ambralin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:32:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He couldโve still ended up in the same situation and had charges pressed against him had he just been drinking alcohol, or got on a new medication, or maybe had terrible mental health issues and was on nothing.
IMO, a more understanding world is a better one. I think weโve pushed that โpersonal responsibilityโ mindset far enough, and it would be much better to push for more understanding and empathy for our fellow man, especially the mentally ill ones, and while they still may be to blame, we donโt always have to go around pointing fingers, as itโs often counterproductive.
Amerakee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You make a solid point, and I agree, and I wish that was the case. Its a tricky situation, absolutely.
combuchan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They say this for everything. It's to disclaim liability more than anything else.
Again, you're approaching this from a holier than thou mindset. You're not a cop, you're an EMT/FF. If you want to imply your legal morality on others, go be a cop. Otherwise, your duty should be of care first and foremost.
Not forcefully assert dominance over somebody that's CLEARLY out of their mind. Keep distance, give them time. If first responders just want to immediately deal with the situation and move on, they're not qualified for their job.
Granted, our society gives them few options. First responders are perpetually understaffed.
The night a good friend of mine almost died in my hallway had I not rendered first aid, he gave me a good slap in my face. It hurt a lot, and if I took your "fuck him" attitude I would have had to deal with the coroner.
Are you really that dense? Who voluntarily considers a risk of a panic attack with informed consent? They're utterly awful.
I'm tired of your "choice" bullshit. People engage in choices when they're fully aware of the consequences with informed consent. This guy obviously was not. If some Godhead said "Oh OP, this will be a bad day for you and you're gonna bite a cop if you engage in this" and the guy still ignored it, that's a fundamental choice.
I think being bitten by a deranged lunatic is something the police should consider as the risk of their work. If they didn't want to take that risk, they shouldn't be a police officer.
If the guy bit the officer with mens rea, the notion of a guilty mind that is fundamental (or once was) to our justice system, the officer would have a fundamental point in pressing charges. But the illegal act was not done out of particular malice aforethought because the man had no potential for thoughts to begin with.
If this was a repeated offense for OP, you'd have a point. No reason to believe this was the case, however.
Deferring to the law above human compassion is the first justification for corrupt systems. Lots of atrocities throughout humanity have been 100% legal. The black and white of legal and illegal is not a moral rationale for anything. When humans engage in that sort of blatantly black or white behavior, it's a sign of mental illness, but we accept it in the legal system.
Again, first responders should first have a primary duty of care, not to punish people when they invariably fuck up.
Pot, meet kettle.
If the first responders, yourself included, weren't overwhelmed with the responsibility of doing something when presented with a situation, OP wouldn't have been fucked by the system.
When I don't know what to do, I wait until I have to do something rather than make a choice I'd regret.
I get that this isn't always quite feasible with liability laws and lack of staffing, but maybe if first responders didn't act without all the information, didn't make assumptions, etc etc this person wouldn't have had charges. You don't handcuff and manhandle the insane, you put them in a padded room to work it out and come back when they're lucid.
Letting the poor bastard writhe around, making sure he didn't asphyxiate on his puke, and keeping watch would have been fine. This is exactly what I did with my friend above.
Amerakee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correct, because many mediations react when alcohol is in the bloodstream. The warning is there because it may negatively affect you. If you're the kind of person who would ignore that warning, you must be dense.
Yes, I did state that, and I'm studying to go into law enforcement actually. But you're right, I'm not a cop. Where you're wrong is discounting my experience as a first responder who goes into the similar situations as the officer and EMTs involved in this situation. I can comment because I've seen this type of situation first hand.
In some situations patience is key, in others, a mistake if you wait to long. You do realize that the mixture in his blood stream plus the fact his heart is going wild due to the panic attack potentially could kill him? And even if we're able to tell how much danger he may or may not be in during it, no cop is going to tell anyone that they're not going to restrain someone who is a potential threat to themselves or others, on top of property damage. I have to reiterate, we do not have the full story. We don't know how Op was acting during his delirium, and we can't take a "Holier than Thou" stance to immediately put the officer down after he was bitten and pressed charges. I'm merely trying to provide insight as to why they had to restrain Op.
If one of my patients was lashing out violently, I have to sit in the back of the ambulance within arms reach. They're getting handcuffed for my safety unless they calm down by that point.
Good on you for saving your friends life, really. Not everyone has the calm to do what they need to in that situation and I commend you. Where I take insult is you insinuating that I have a "fuck him" attitude towards the Op or any of my patients and imply I'd go off the deep end and kill them, as a slap in the face escalating to killing the guy is the least believable escalation of force I've heard. Lucky for me and them, that's far from the truth and petty insults aren't any way to discuss anything.
I fail to see how restraining a combative and altered patient is unreasonable. I understand the risks of what I do but that doesn't not mean I have to open myself up to potential injury freely. For your information, I have never had to transport a restrained patient, by the time we've gotten them in the truck they're usually under control and the handcuffs come off, but we have police ride with us as a precaution.
I believe you misunderstood what I said. I never stated he knew specifically how he would react, as that's impossible. Everyone potentially reacts differently to the same medication. I'm starting that he should know that mixing alcohol and medication is a big no no. As I said previously, it's the patient's responsibility to understand what he can and can't do on his medication.
We're assuming a lot about the kind of person Op is. He could be a stand-up community leader who screwed up, he could be somebody that doesn't take care of himself very well, or he could be you're average Joe. We don't know that, so for all we know it could of been a mistake or he said fuck it after a long day and had a drink anyway. I'm not here to debate Op's personality or life style, I'm providing insight as to why it may of happened the way it did.
He obviously was not? Well if we go by your example of a "Godhead" with premonition detailing that he'd assault a cop, I'd agree with you. But that's completely unrealistic for obvious reasons (see: wizardry). Life is made up of choices that can be broken up in the simplest way by acting or not acting. Let's say you're correct and give Op the benefit of the doubt and he was uninformed of the dangers of mixing alcohol with his medication. This means from the time he got it prescribed, he never acted and asked his doctor about it, he act and didn't read the pill bottle, and didn't act to educate himself on what he was putting in his body. Those choices led him to the action of consuming alcohol while on the medication. That choice put him in the situation where he bit a cop.
Do you see where I'm coming from? It is nobody else's responsibility to ensure you do what you're supposed to. Do I think Op is a horrible person and should rot in jail? No, I hope he learned a lesson about being informed and his charges were dropped by the court.
As far as your whole response goes, I agree for the most part, but I stand firm that any subject that lashes out and inflicts bodily harm to anyone should be held accountable. It's part of the concept in our justice system called Deterrence. These consequences exist so that someone can't get off scott free just because they were under the influence.
Did you just compare human atrocities (genocide, public torture & execution, the dark ages, etc) to restraining a violent patient?
I agree, it's part of what we do. But if that fuck up causes bodily harm to others, that person should have consequences. Would your opinion be different if the patient in this story had AIDs and transmitted it to the cop? It's the cops job to decide what to charge, it's courts job to decide to give him a chance if it was just a fuck up and no further harm came of it.
I'll state this again. I'm not assuming fact. I'm giving insight from the other end of the spectrum that might explain why things happened the way they did. I'm not stating to know what happened, but to offer my experience as a means of understanding and not jumping in on the "Fuck da Police!" Bandwagon.
Again, first responders do not have that option in most cases.
You just answered why we can't always wait. Sometimes we have to act while they're violent because otherwise it will escalate and we'll be in hot water in court and asked "Why didn't you act sooner?"
Do yourself a favor. Go join a rescue squad/EMS service. I'm sure your community needs volunteers as badly as everywhere else. Take calls for a few months, and send me a message afterwards with a tally board of how many calls you had all the information on upon arrival, during patient care, transport, and arrival at the hospital.
The simple fact is you won't have all the information, only what is presented to you. The only time you know everything about the patient is during non-emergency transports from medical facility to medical facility. It's part of the job, you don't know everything but you have to do you best with what you have.
Padded rooms don't exist in hospitals first off, they get put into a room with an unmovable bed and no furniture so they can't harm themselves or others. But please, on the assumption we'd have access to a padded room such as that, explain to me how we'd get a violent patient from the scene to that room without restraining them?
The guy was not in trouble until he bit the cop, he was handcuffed for his and everyone else's safety. These people can have crazy strength, you have to use the advantages you can.
Your friend, was he overdosing or having a panic attack, or both? I want to make it clear, no two psych patients are the same. What worked for your friend is not a cookie cutter solution and every situation is different.
ibuprofen87 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What good does pressing charges do? If they guy is just having a bad reaction to medication in his own freaking home, is he really a danger to others?
Amerakee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:57:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You've never seen video of somebody who's gone into Excited Delirium have you? And regardless he clearly was violent as he bit the cop. A bad reaction can mean many things, inward and outward. Under the law you're still liable for your actions.
throwawaytrumper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:20:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to bizarro response land, where biting people isn't dangerous but arresting them is.
Amerakee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, a biting patient may of potentially infected an officer is defendable, but restraining them isn't. People don't seem to get this.
Futureleak ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:28:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boy you must be republican, thinking is hard isin't it. If someone is not in a stable state of mind they are not entirely on control of their own actions. We let insane school shooters off easier, but if your having a bad trip, have fun facing the full wrath of the law. Try not to hurt yourself with thinking buddy. I bet you think we need more guns in school teacher hands too, don't you?
Amerakee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:50:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think there was a single constructive argument in that mess of insults. You might want to see your doctor about that focus issue, it may lead to headaches :)
hakuna_tamata ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stereotype people then arrest them. The LEO way.
Amerakee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please elaborate on how any of that is stereotyping? First responders go into the situation, see a man who's mixed drinking with mediation, and who's clearly violent. You have to treat every subject as if they have a communicable disease as there is no way to tell until sometimes months after the fact.
hakuna_tamata ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because he absolutely knew they effects of the medication he was given and was completely cognizant of the effects it would have. The last time( and only) time I was perscribed a painkiller, I didn't know the name of the medication and had to google it to learn what it was.
All of this.
I get why you would act like that, but it doesn't make it not stereotyping.
Amerakee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by "all of this?" As your third quote explains why you have to go in with that mindset.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the stereotyping accusation. Keeping potential risks in mind when you walk into a situation where you will likely never have all the details is what keeps responders safe. Stereotyping, in the sociology definition, "is a simplified and standardized conception or imaging invested with a special meaning and held in common by members of a group." Where I disagree with your statement is that I don't walk into a scene and assume anything without reasonable suspicion, rather than walking in as if I knew everything because this is a cookie cutter and routine call. If I adopted that aspect, I wouldn't be very good at my job.
As an EMT, my job is part investigator, part medical professional. If I was dispatched to a male party having a reaction to mixing medication and alcohol, or just having a panic attack, my first question on scene (assuming I have the opportunity to talk to family, depending on the situation) is to ask if this has happened before, what he took/mixed, and what his medical history is. As I stated, we don't know the specifics of what happened, perhaps the family/friends/whoever he was with didn't know much, and maybe the patient doesn't even know he has a communicable disease. If so, myself and any other responders have to go in with that risk potential in the back of our minds.
We are as compassionate as the situation allows us to be. Given Op stated he was violent, I believe it's safe to assume they were right to handcuff him.
Regarding your first quote and response, I'm sorry but I'm blunt on this aspect. If you a patient is taking medication it is the patient's responsibility to be informed about what they are taking. You did the right thing and educated yourself where your doctor didn't. I'm sorry, but ignorance to the potential effects of any medication isn't an excuse in 2018. If it slips your mind to ask your prescribing doctor and you don't want to go through the paperwork that comes with most perscription, a simple Google search will inform you
Edit: Added a line.
burnerbabyburn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying but being bit in the leg is assault. I'd rather get punched in the boob than bit in the leg by some stranger. Forget HIV and AIDS. That's a low risk. With someone you don't know, who looks to be under the suspicion of drug use there is a way higher probability of hepatitis B, hepatitis C, herpes simplex virus (HSV), syphilis, tuberculosis, actinomycosis, and tetanus. So yeah. It is assault. Regardless of OP's state of mind. I've worked in a hospital for many years. Protocol for a human bite that breaks skin involves a lot of needles to take precautions because of how filthy the human mouth is. Then he goes to court to assess if he was mentally competent and/or guilty. OP deserves some culpability for their choice to mix alcohol and medication. OP was not a child at the time. OP made an ill advised decision that caused a violent (if not malicious) reaction. Lot's of people hurt other people when they aren't in their right minds. I'm not a fan of the police here. Not at all. But their job isn't to give him a hug and and talk him down from his drug psychosis. Especially when you're not sure if it's an actual medical emergency and he needs to get to the hospital. It's to make sure he/they/the ambulance employees/the workers at the hospital are safe.
Also if he was handcuffed it means, even though it was a panic attack, it was manifesting in a way where he was at risk of hurting himself and attacking others. Which is obviously what happened. If he hadn't have directly assaulted them as soon as he was calmed down and cleared by a doctor, he would have been no longer restrained (it would have been hospital restraints, not handcuffs).
I just can't believe you don't consider a human bite assault? Hell, I have been bitten and scratched by a plethora of animals and I wasn't nearly as worried from infection as I was the time a toddler broke my skin in a bite. And that was a toddler I'm fairly certain didn't have hepatitis. I have to take fricken antibiotics for a week and I still got a bit of infection. The human mouth ain't a joke. For real.
It was OP's bad luck that they got stuck in a busy station during a busy time and it took a few days to get bailed out.
Ambralin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it should be their job, at least when dealing with someone either mentally ill or suffering from some sort of bad drug trips.
IMO, we will create a better world by attempting to be more understanding towards our fellow man, instead of pushing that โpersonal responsibilityโ mindset so hard.
Known_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:30:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't more people think like this?
WinstonCup28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are YOU serious? That is literally assault. Biting someone who is tripping the fuck out? Lucky he didnโt get shot.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:00:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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throwaway13376663432 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:56:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is it weird to arrest some weird fucko that just bit you in the leg?
idk if its a european thing, but in America it isn't acceptable to randomly bite people on the leg
BeeAreNumberOne ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:22:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For real. A crime while sober is still a crime while intoxicated.
throwaway13376663432 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but I guess some people don't understand that fact...
hakuna_tamata ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:39:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but you don't understand context. Walking up and biting someone on the leg and have what was roughly a seizure and biting someone on the leg that was manhandling you are entirely different.
BeeAreNumberOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the job of the police to evaluate context. That's what courts are for. You do something illegal, the police arrest you. That's what they do.
hakuna_tamata ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:20:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's entirely inaccurate. Police are given discretion on how they make arrests. That cop didn't have to arrest him, but he did. That was his choice and he did technically nothing wrong by doing it, but it still makes him an asshole.
TheAlptraum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol maybe because the guy was having a panic attack and any compassionate human being worth their salt can tell when a person is going through that, especially due to the fact that its a cop. its not like he tore his artery off and ripped his flesh right out of his leg lol like why even handcuff the guy in the first place instead of just talking to him. scandinavian cops are more like armed psychologists while american cops are wannabe soldiers lol. probably one of the reasons we're statistically better in every way <3
also rofl for generalizing "europe" a place with like 100 countries with different laws, languages and comparing it to one single nation. it's like you americans think europe is one big country
NakedMuffinTime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet money Scandinavia doesn't have a drug problem like the U.S. does. I'd bet you've never seen someone having a bad trip on drugs like Meth or speed or shrooms or LSD.
I'd bet if you were bit in the leg by someone tripping in Scandinavia, you wouldn't be worried about whether or not that person has HIV or any other disease that can be passed via a bite.
And like it or not, as compassionate as you want to be, he was lashing out and attacking others (he bit a fucking cops leg). That officer is also responsible for the safety of EMS and paramedics that also responded, so letting him "work it out on his own" isn't going to fly.
TheAlptraum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That just proves my point even more how fucked up america is. thanks. and the guy wasnt lashing out and attacking anyone lmao, he got arrested and panicked and did the only thing he was able to do in terms of self defence
NakedMuffinTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking moron lol.
Is Scandinavia that fucked that biting someone's leg isn't "lashing out and attacking someone"?
By the way, in ANY country, fighting back after you've been arrested (in his case, biting an officers leg) isn't self defense. It's physically resisting arrest. But hey, I'm sure that facebook law degree you got taught you a lot.
TheAlptraum ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:27:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lets use our brains like normal, non-american people to think through the scenario, m'kay?
Guy is having a panic attack. Cop tries to arrest him. Cop handcuffs him. Guy still hasn't attacked anyone yet. Guy is in total panic mode and his primal instincts are turned on, he's no longer an individual in a society but just an animal trying to escape. Guy is most likely on the ground or in some awkward position with the cop's leg inches from his face. Guy bites cop. How could this situation have been avoided? What law had he broken that warranted an arrest before biting the cop?
Like I said, cops should be trained to handle situations where a person is freaking out, like they are in most developed countries. But what you say is true, you never know if someone is just an amped-up meth head or something similar which is pretty fucked up to begin with because that issue doesn't even exist in most of europe. So what is the conclusion? I don't know, but USA sucks.
NakedMuffinTime ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:38:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's that facebook law degree in action.
The cop wasn't arresting him for losing his shit. He was detaining) him, because he was losing his shit.
EMS was onsite. Like it or not, the police have to protect EMS while they do their jobs. Agree with it or not, it doesn't matter. It's going to happen, that's why in several countries, it's standard that when someone is tripping balls, police are also dispatched with EMS to protect EMS.
As he is legally allowed to do to protect himself and EMS
And? It doesn't matter. You "being in panic mode" when EMS is responding to help you and you lashing out and throwing shit around at them, doesn't give you a legal excuse to harm others
Which is why guy goes to jail for battery on a police officer. He could've bitten EMS, he could've bitten a nurse, it doesn't matter. He BIT someone.
By not mixing alcohol and a medication. He willingly drank, while willingly ingested medication. It doesn't matter if he's stupid, if he forgot, or if he didn't give a fuck. He still willingly did it, leading to his current state of impairment.
He wasn't under arrest. He was legally detained, as he would be in many other countries, not just America. But seeing as he bit the cop, he then is under arrest.
And they are. But because you want the cop to run over and hug the guy on a bad trip for an hour, doesn't mean it's safe for him or EMS around him, or practical.
He chose to escalate the situation, causing him to be placed in handcuffs to prevent him for harming EMS who was simply there to get him in an ambulance and off to the hospital. But when he chose to become a danger to others (again, it doesn't matter if he was under the influence or not), the police's hands are tied.
Just because you want them to just go "Oh, well, just let him come down from his trip in a few hours" doesn't mean it's safe for the guy tripping, or the people around him. EMS can't refuse to help someone. As soon as his friends or family called 911 for medical attention, EMS's hands are tied.
Sorry the world doesn't fit your kumbaya feel good feelings. At the end of the day, he bit someone. Had OP been a drug user who did have HIV or any other disease, that's even more fucked if he bit a cop or EMS who was simply doing their job because someone called them there.
TheAlptraum ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was just fucking trolling for easy giggles. All countries have their own flaws. Have a good evening
throwaway13376663432 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit.
Biting can transmit AIDs and other diseases through a lot less than a arterial breech. Source: The entire fucking medical field since such people as Florence Nightingale.
Reread OP's story and take a guess.
M'kay.
Nice generalization. As someone with both in my family: Fuck you.
Is that why some right-winger felt things were so bad he beheaded the leftist power in Norway with a single strike? lol "better" Is that why Sweden is going to be a less developed nation by 2050? Is that why Sweden has "gangs of armed teenagers and bombings of police stations?" lol "better"
Scandinavian countries are also more white than the United States. Did you take that into consideration? They are also not a superpower.
I sure wouldn't want you to be proving that ethnic centrism is a valid political outlook <3
TheAlptraum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
gahdamn i hit a nerve, couldn't even bother quoting me properly
Abraxas65 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you resort to these kind of response its obvious to everyone you have given up defending your position and are just now attempting to try and side track the conversation in an attempt obfuscate the fact that you're getting trounced in an argument. Kind of sad actually.
TheAlptraum ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was just fucking trolling for easy giggles. All countries have their own flaws. Have a good evening
Abraxas65 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you were buddy. Hope you enjoy your evening.
TheAlptraum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am, eating some delicious ass kebab. Thank god for syrian immigrants
TheAlptraum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmfaooo cops in a nutshell
hgarlington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:13 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This shit right here is fucking hilarious.
Beowoof ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโve had quite the life
witch--king ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They always have a story for popular askreddit threads... wild.
new_account_5009 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:22:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Umm...What?
ovalseven ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to Google. Apparently it's prison slang for a beating severe enough to cause your head to swell up like a pumpkin.
[deleted] ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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charden_sama ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 14:39:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Biting a police officer gets you arrested, the reason doesn't get considered (usually) till court.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 15:01:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, when charged never tell a officer anything. Use your right to stay silent and speak to a lawyer.
Dranzell ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it was hard in his situation to stay silent. He even tried to use an officer's leg as muffler.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like your style.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Canada from what I understand.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No problem!
rentzington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i have been told this by both police officers and lawyers. ask for a lawyer, don't answer questions and never consent to a search without a warrant
Phast_n_Phurious ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out....
nursekimber ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:56:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But why the handcuffs before biting the officer? Iโm confused
LittleConsideration ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 15:01:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He/she was probably acting fucking insane.
wvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvw ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:04:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because he was acting violently. It's a restraint.
earnedmystripes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acting erratically and also he said he was drunk and 20 yrs old. Illegal.
Amerakee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the term Excited Delirium, it'll explain the likely cause for it. Don't mix alcohol and medication kids!
Crocodilewithatophat ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 15:03:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because tiny dick cops like to feel powerful
Seany_P ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:26:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's because he was heavily altered to the point where he couldn't even control himself. He was handcuffed for the safety of the people trying to help him, It has nothing to do with "feeling powerful"
Crocodilewithatophat ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they actually cared they wouldn't have pressed charges for the bite knowing it was a bad reaction to medicine
stapler8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how this works. Police will press charges because it's not their job to determine whether a person is responsible for their actions or not. That's the job of a court.
orange_sewer_grating ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they did that then every drunk/high asshole would attack cops.
Crocodilewithatophat ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:07:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This person was not under the influence of his own volition
musselshirt67 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:40:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So when a drunk driver kills a pedestrian, they shouldn't be arrested/charged? You're an idiot.
Seany_P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really doesn't matter if he was aware of what he was doing or not, that's for the court to decide. EMS's job is to keep the patient safe from himself, the police's job is to keep EMS safe from the patient. He managed to assault and officer while cuffed and could have done much worse if he was loose.
bitJericho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He took alcohol and drugs and bit a cop. WTF of course he's gonna be arrested.
heybrother45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They didnโt 100% know that. Their job is to get the situation under control
orange_sewer_grating ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:00:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the copa were supposed to know that on the scene as it was happening? That's why we have due process after an arrest.
gaviidae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was from drinking not simply a reaction to medicine. Also, police donโt press charges.
WintendoU ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:28:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't valid in any way. Someone having a panic attack doesn't need to be arrested.
Nor do cops need to arrest someone in order to charge them later, there used to be this wonderful thing call an "investigation".
Cops really need to be reigned in. There was absolutely no reason to assume OP would flee or even assume guilt. And they should have been able to figure out something before he even woke up in the hospital.
They were purposely being punitive and that is corruption.
dennisi01 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:59:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They arent going to give you an automatic pass for biting or hitting a cop because you were intoxicated. That would have to be sorted out by lawyers.
RusticRaisins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or really biting or hitting anyone that hasn't committed some sort of egregious offense against you are close friends/family.
something-sketchy ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:30:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think a part of it is that being a cop is scary. This person is acting insane and are a threat to everyone at the moment. Knowing the context it feels unnecessary, but the cops might not have had that much context and only saw someone who was insane enough to be biting them.
Jan_Wolfhouse ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:16:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You realize you can be detained for 48 hours without cause, right? Also if you resist being detained, and discover you did nothing wrong, you can be arrested for resisting arrest.
ThebocaJ ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:20:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can be detained for 48 hours without being formally charged. If you're detained for literally no reason, that's a civil rights violation, and you can sue whatever organization is detaining you.
Jan_Wolfhouse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:25:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But there's never no reason. It's always because they smelled alcohol on your breathe or they say the dog smelled drugs, but only the interoperate the dog. Those are pretty much impossible to disprove.
ThebocaJ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not impossible. Bring your dashcam footage that belies the police testimony; subpoena the police bodycam and dash cam footage that shows you driving perfectly straight; have a witness in the car who testifies that they were with you all night and that you didn't have a drop of alcohol; pull a history of arrest records for this officer that shows they have a pattern of detaining motorists based on statements that they "smelled alcohol" where the charges could not later be substantiated with quantitative testing.
You can sue police departments for civil rights violations, and people do so successfully on a regular basis.
thelordcaptain ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All it takes is an ounce of prevention.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:23:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But that "resisting arrest" is VERY broad. Mostly means you did not respect his god like authority and suck up enough to his greatness.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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gaviidae ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs probably because itโs not true. Cops have to have some reason to detain you.
Jan_Wolfhouse ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All they have to have is reasonable suspicion you are doing something wrong. Even without probable cause or a warrant. Even dropping anything around police is consider reasonable suspicion.
LeftCheekRightCheek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. The threshold of reasonable suspicion only applies to certain things like DUI stops. Probable cause would be needed for most everything else.
gaviidae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well thatโs not what you originally said.
Shady-McGrady ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, you're wrong. You're intentionally misunderstanding to make your point. He obviously didn't mean 0 excuse, it's clear he was saying NO GOOD EXCUSE. As in, no excuse that can hold up in court... no legal excuse.
gaviidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said without cause. He didn't even say you only needed very little cause or suspicion.
benthebearded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope! Arrests are based on PC.
rahtin ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He mixed it with alcohol for one.
And 90% of spree shooters have been on mind altering prescription drugs.
Are we going to let James Holmes out of prison because his Celexa pushed him over the edge?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Shady-McGrady ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he never said it did... did you really just comment that to let the world know you take xanax?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Shady-McGrady ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i don't believe you.
Capn_Barboza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shut!
Shady-McGrady ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:27 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmaoo
Mr-Blah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That logic holds no ground.
How could you be held accountable I was drunk!?
A guy tried that here (Canada). He drank antifreeze and "in a state of crazyness" killed his 3 kids.
Court ruled that you can't claim insanity if it's caused by a toxin you knowingly took. Which is fucking obvious...
-eDgAR- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in court for a year arguing this and eventually we got the charge down to a misdemeanor reckless behavior, which is a lot better than a felony.
im-not-watching ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:10:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you meant to say murica of course that happened.
Blazing1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know someone who got an attempted murder charge for this sort of thing. He was having a mental break down and called the emergency number on himself. They still fucking charged him even though it was their fault, and ruined his life.
He would have been better off not seeking help. We can talk about mental health as much as we want but we're still ruining people's lives.
_mainus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be living under a rock. You know that whole NFL kneeling protest thing? It's about police brutality. There are hundreds of stories of police officers KILLING people for doing things like this person did, or less even.
siouxftw ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:33:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get a strange vibe from you, all your posts and you seem to have a crazy story about any topic.. Obviously maybe I'm wrong but I'm calling bs
-eDgAR- ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:12:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here is my ID from jail that proof enough for you?
d5fault ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally he has a interesting and perfect story for every thread. Thereโs just no way.
zorinlynx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could only call landlines? How long ago was this? Surely they don't still have this restriction as who the heck has landlines anymore?
It's so insane that they make a simple phone call so difficult. You'd think they'd want people to get bailed out to retrieve the overcrowding, but apparently not since they make it so hard to communicate.
-eDgAR- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:17:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if it's still like that, but this was about 10 years ago. I'm.hoping they changed that because I imagine it would be much harder now that most people don't even have a landline
TheRedBus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It never occurred to me that you wouldn't be able to call a cell phone but it makes sense.
tinker_tailor17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This just goes to show how easy it is for people to slip through the cracks of the system.
Really glad you got out of there with the help of your parents.
lahimatoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What?
justin_memer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Xanax.
Bleeze_ ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 15:49:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a guy named mike. They called him prison mike when he was in the clink. He said that working in an office was way better than being in prison.
jrs1010 ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 16:28:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He never got caught neither
JimBrady86 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he did. He was in prison.
Tortoise21 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:53:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All he ate was gruel sandwiches
stickstickley87 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:26:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was the worst part of prison?
Sexus_Nexus ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Dementors
tighttritenight ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dementors? Like from Harry Potter?
tighttritenight ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:04:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You my friend would be da bell of da ball. Don't drop the soap...don't drop the soap
prefuse07 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:55:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
mpch mpch mpch mpch mpch mpch mpch
Dexontronox ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:19:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dwight, you ignorant slut! The stress of my modern office has caused me to go into a depression!
DarthFuckShit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:17:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard he kidnapped the presidents son and held him for ransom
FluffyMcKittenHeads ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tanks.
iheartotown ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you learn all this stuff?
Bleeze_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:23:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The internet
iheartotown ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:24:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So..not prison.
Bleeze_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:34:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And prison...50/50 both.
LouSputhole94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:32:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So much gruel
killin_ur_doodz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pinched 'em.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a guy named mike. Went by dirty mike. Had himself a crew a boys.
Caitini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Updoots for all of you in this post lol โค๏ธ
MSpicer01 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:45:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is just a shitty hotel experience. Prison is different.
The first 3 or 4 days are kind of a blur. I wondered if my girlfriend was going to wait for me which was completely unrealistic. I thought about suicide a lot, and to be honest... even looking back, it wasn't a bad option. It still isn't a bad option. It's hard answering this question without writing a couple thousand words to create the environment to even begin to understand what you could be feeling.
startup_guy2 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
write it
xballikeswooshx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:39:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lets hear it man
Tommy_Wilhelm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:30:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would also like to hear, if you want to share.
Srgtgunnr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:03:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cmooon you got a lot of people patiently waiting
rprpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would read it if you write it.
rworldnewsmidfcucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd read it.
Chickmagnetwompaone1 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:26:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got a dui the day before I would start my last semester before nursing school. I had to spend a night in jail until I could bail out and get to my fist class. My first thought was " I just lost my shot at nursing school". Which I did, I also lost my license for a month. So I had to get a ride from a classmate. We would start dating shortly after and now we are married. I've since got sober and we now have a child. Things worked out strangely enough... Don't drink and drive!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:08:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Chickmagnetwompaone1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:11:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They kept my license till I went to court like the next week, which is when they suspended it. Given me enough time to meet my future wife in microbiology.
noiwontpickaname ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? Sounds like it worked out great for you. ๐
Chickmagnetwompaone1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:07:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a wake up call in my life. I was drinking a lot after I was discharged from the military. It was definitely a learning experience. And I had to pay something like 2k in fines, go to AA meetings, and go to a class to watch intervention for like 10 weeks.... Which I had to pay $50 every class. Glad I quit drinking!
[deleted] ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was the shocking realization that police brutality is as bad as Hollywood and the media make it out to be. In processing before I actually got to the facility there was this girl with a weave in her hair, and they asked her to take it out, she said with attitude that she couldn't because it was glued in. The officer without even thinking twice grabbed her neck with one hand and weave with the other and ripped it out, and I saw her scalp come up and there was blood all trickling down her back (head is highly vascular).
Then someone taking a shit where I was trying to sleep.
inFeathers ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:18:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? That's horrible. How did she react?
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:36:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She screamed, lots of profanity, pulled race card, she did it bursts over what seemed like forever and eventually just sat down in the uncomfortable plastic chair and cried with her head cupped in her hands. I felt so bad for her. It really is horrible what some people can do to others. I just don't like how others justify such things.
inFeathers ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:14:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's awful. The poor, poor girl. No matter what she did, to have her hair torn violently from her head like that has to be one of the most dehumanising things someone can experience - even if it was a weave. Did they really need to do it? On some level, did they enjoy doing it? Sometimes I question the brutality I read about in the American policing system.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:27:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if they enjoyed it, or if they'd been on the force years and it was just another day to them where they were taking the necessary action.
What I can say though is that unfortunately most humans do have a sadistic side, even if they don't realize it, so who knows.
cman_yall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:47:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Removing someone's fake hair is a necessary action?
hdfb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:58:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can hide weapons and sharp objects there.
cman_yall ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you do that with real hair as well? Are they shaving everyone's head, or just searching them thoroughly?
tweakingforjesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
crickets
reachingFI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is no longer the policing system. An important distinction.
Depends on your definition of need I guess. They deal with this day in and day out. They have families they want to get back to at the end of the day. I'd imagine treating the inmates like humans can be very dangerous when your prison system is extremely overpopulated.
Futureleak ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:31:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that is some form of assult/ bodily harm. Just because you are in prison doesent mean you aren't a fucking human. That cop should of been charged and lost his job.
Namesarenotneeded ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, that's not all police. That's just an asshole.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:26:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I am aware it is not all police. I don't think I implied it was, but if I did then I'd like to clarify here it was unintentional.
Namesarenotneeded ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you did, just the wording or something confused me, not sure. Sorry for confusing you.
alsoknownasanonymous ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:39:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck"
In all seriousness though, I was terrified. I was sentenced to 10 months in county jail when I was 18 and man was I terrified.
My first thoughts were that I was going to get raped or beaten up but thankfully neither of those things happened to me.
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 16:24:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Drunk_camel_jockey ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:39:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do to wind up in jail dressed as an elf with a broken back?
Shinga33 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:19:32 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
5h? He didn't make it I guess.
woofiedude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. Iโve read a ton of these and the damn roaches did me in. I would be a basket case and never sleep. Nasty.
chi22ko ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:12:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just one night, alone in a cell, in another country. I just started to laugh uncontrollably till I went to sleep. It took me a couple weeks to realize what had happened
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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chi22ko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was alone in the cell. Thank goodness
im-not-watching ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to hate on Kent county jails. My ex was arrested with a sprained neck and not given her meds (for psychological issues). After that I showed up at the jail with my lawyer. She was let out 2 days later when she was sentenced to 6 months.
eazolan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:27:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why was your ex arrested?
im-not-watching ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:52:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Drug charge for having her own meds in a bag rather than bottles.
thelordcaptain ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:19:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, this is about most of my time in jail (it certainly didn't count as prison), since "first day" of 30 hours is basically everything. This was years ago now.
I made a mistake, and I had a fistfight with a family member over chores, and a third family was too scared that one or both of us would turn on #3 to break it up themselves, so called the cops. Something like half the department showed up and I was kinda shocked, since there were no weapons involved, about how seriously they treated things in a small town that I'd seen handled by 1-2 cops in a large town. I was a bit too numb and already too self-hating at this point to really reflect on that.
I spent 12 hours laying down, staring at a wall (I am a high-intensity person who always needs at least one something to focus on; this is a bad combination with jail), before urinating for the first time. During this entire time, my cell mates (none of whom were accused of anything so minor as misdemeanor assault) are laughing and joking, watching TV and playing poker for consumables. Then I went back to the wall.
I didn't sleep, and I didn't eat (they couldn't give me anything with ingredients on it and I have nasty allergies). I was really convinced that my life was over because I'd made a mistake. For the first and last time in my life I might have actually qualified as suicidal, but that would have been impossible if I'd had the energy to act on it.
It's a much more minor mistake than that, no one was seriously hurt, but that feeling got me to accept and thank the judge for unsupervised probation and some anger counseling. I would thank her again if I knew how to approach her without either interrupting court or making her afraid I'd turned my (now very well controlled) anger on her - she deserves it. Saw right through the situation and asked me all of 3 questions beyond the plea before basically giving me the minimum. Saw through me, too. I swear she realized just how much simply getting arrested had shaken me and was rolling the dice that I'd never show up in her courtroom again if she did what she ended up doing.
Fucking horrible experience for irrational and personal reasons, but fucking worked.
Lactiz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A letter, or your lawyer could do the job without causing trouble. I don't know much about Your country, but movies/series show them chit-chatting before court. Especially in other hearings, not connected to assault.
thelordcaptain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:46:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, probably. There was actually a scheduling mishap with the anger management stuff and I was called into court on the same day I was to start the therapy program (three or four weeks after my 30 hours in jail) to answer as to why I "wasn't complying." My lawyer at the time tracked down the prosecutor and told him, then the judge had one question, and after I answered it was like, "well, go. Don't be late for that because of me." (it was in like an hour)
Suppose I'll send a letter to the courthouse. :)
popokangaroo ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:28:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWhat happens to all the food in my fridge.โ
PortalStorm4000 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Asking the right kind of questions here.
MochaMeCrazy ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 16:20:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm such a fucking idiot" I was 19 and had a party at my house while my mom was out of town. Got minor in possession, contributing to minors and paraphernalia. I had gotten 60 hours of community service. Did 50 and didn't do the rest. Those 10 hours turned into 10 days in county jail. I was in the minimum security section so had to do chores all day. That first day they had me clean out the visiting rooms in the men's section of the big jail. The way they were set up anyone in the jail could walk by and see me. I was a 5'6 120 pound girl and had these scary guys screaming the most disgusting things at me for hours. It was terrifying and depressing. I felt like I was in an episode of scared straight. Also the first dinner was a tortilla with some blob of gray goo in the middle. Was it beans? Was it meat? Who knows. It was unlike any taco I've ever seen. I let someone else have my tray. Learned my lesson. Never got in trouble again.
virgosdoitbetter ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:11:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any reason you didn't do the remaining 10 hours?
lookitskeith ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 17:52:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"What are they gonna do, send me to jail over 10 hours?" u/mochamecrazy
MochaMeCrazy ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:01:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my mindset at that time, haha
SupaSupra ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:53:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fought the law and the law won comes to mind.
MochaMeCrazy ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:41:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just stupidity. Hanging out with my friends and partying all the time was more important and I honestly didn't think it would catch up to me.
RedvinesNotTwizzlers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here, the men never see the women except for coming in & being released. The guys say the most insulting and disgusting shit. If you're even wearing shorts on your way out, they get something from the "clothes closet" to cover you up.
Jeralith ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:10:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been, but my SO got to see the inside of our local jail about a month ago. He has told the story at least 100 times... Anyway, he had been picked up Saturday morning around 2am. For whatever reason the two in-processing people called in leaving people who didn't know a thing to deal with the mob of folks in the holding cell. My SO spent 36hrs in the holding cell. He said he sat there and thought about literally everything. The boredom was overwhelming. He is the classic "white dad who wears cargo shorts and socks with sandals while he cooks out" type and was doing his best to not draw attention to himself.
People he met/saw:
Truck driver with 18 bails
Biggest black man ever afraid everyone else was going to gang up and kill him. He would preach about God one minute then start screaming for help the next. He got taken away.
Guy puking every 30min from withdrawals.
A "I work for the mob" wannabe who offered to "bail out" my SO.
Another black man who beat down a white nationalist who had been ranting for 30+ minutes about being "in the same room as all these dirty N-words" They both got pulled out of the room, only the black guy returned and was looking rather smug.
A few people who could actually eat jail food and used the "rape is not a part of your punishment" handbook to sleep on the floor.
Dfiggsmeister ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why was he in jail?
Jeralith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DUI. He has a buddy who works for a craft beer bar. It was normal for him to take his buddy dinner, hang for a few hours, have a few beers, and go home a few times a week. The cops were waiting around the corner from the bar and stopped him for "improper lane change."
What gets me is he was picked up in MY truck with MY wallet and not once do I get a call about it. I get a damn letter on Wednesday about my truck being in impound. I had gotten it out Monday...
I'm 60/40 on believing he wasn't drunk, but also know that craft beers have a wild range on alcohol content. All it would take is him drinking the wrong few beers. He's an otherwise responsible adult and a genuinely caring person. Just did the one stupid thing.
the_planes_walker ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:47:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got picked up wandering around after curfew when I was 12 and lied to the police officer about my address. He didn't like that very much and took me and my friend to jail. Literally locked us in a cell while he called my parents and they came to pick me up.
I thought that I was going to be in prison forever and was bawling by the time my dad came. My dad and the police officer thought it was hilarious by this point.
whitesuburbanmale ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:48:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"can't believe I got caught". Then I met my cellmate who albeit nice and polite and in a general holding area(meaning he was well behaved) had killed 5 people in a psychotic episode 20 years ago. I was in for selling weed.
DaMmOn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:27:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Shinga33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blows my mind that selling weed will get you booked with a murderer.
whitesuburbanmale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He had served a long stretch already and giving that they had him in the low security area he obviously wasn't a threat to anyone and probably on his meds consistently for years. Still tripped me out though lol
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:19:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rmullen522 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:01:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So he's a pro fighter and was worried about here in beat up? And how did he know people from school if he had moved across the country?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:01 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rmullen522 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:28 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weird coincidence that he ran into people from high school o the other side of the country I bet he was happy to see them! I was trained when I was younger and I have a couple friends that are trained to a semi pro level. Your right your not always the strongest just because your a pro, but being the strongest is rarley important. Also it will Most likely put you in the top 5% of people there. Most people that are trained are just More comfortable with the fact that they might get into a fight. Also most people that are trying to mess with the new big guy are rarely fighting for their lives.
GorillaJuiceOfficial ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that for 95% of people, jail isn't all that bad after all. (As long as you're a redditor)
Bhikkux ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 12:32:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
mainly i was trying to figure out how to get a hold of a bail bondsman, and trying to sleep
bstyledevi ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:55:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to prison for 27 months. I had a 12 hour van ride to get to the facility, so we ended up getting there at like 11PM.
Show up at the front gate in handcuffs. Paperwork changes hands. I get uncuffed from the escorts and cuffed by the intake guards. Taken to a room next to the opening guard shack where I proceeded to answer a few pages worth of questions in front of three people who were doing my intake. Got told to get naked and take a shower in front of a guard. All of my belongings (my clothes, a small address book they allowed me to have with contact info for lawyers, family and friends, etc., and my person) were thoroughly searched. I was given one set of prison clothing and told that I would get more the next day, as I was showing up so late that everything was closed. I got escorted to a cell that had a single bed, the classic toilet/sink combo, and the prison rulebook. I was told to read it, then go to sleep and I would get more information tomorrow.
As far as what went through my head? Honestly, a simplistic calm. I knew that I was going to jail, and I knew that I was gonna be there for a while, so I tried my best to not get worked up or anything. I knew that the guards were there doing their job, and I didn't wanna try to walk in there like I was the biggest badass that ever was, because I definitely was not. I knew that my behavior in the first few days would determine how my time went, and I ended up just staying fairly quiet and keeping my head down. That was the right answer, apparently. My time wasn't terrible.
Thomas5044 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:59:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You really arenโt sure whatโs going to happen. You will be bored out of your mind until youโre released. If youโve been to jail before, you just know one thing. Its going to fucking suck.
derrickguthrie75 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:15:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it count if I went but didn't stay? For example I visited my mom at least once a year when she was in prison. When I was younger it was a blast (For me) it was an all female prison and I was a cute kid with a chubby face the prisoners would argue over who got to hold me first and stuff like that. It's also terrifying when I would leave with my grandparents because I was too young to understand that I couldn't just take my mom with me
hype8912 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well how can I get out of here before I'm considered AWOL by the Air Force
Devinisonfire ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:08:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis is bullshit...I donโt belong here. I just want to go home.โ
I was pulled over for speeding (shame on me) and the cop ran the plate for the car while I failed to provide registration and proof of insurance(this was my girlfriendโs vehicle) To my knowledge, the plate has been the same ever since it was brought from the DMV to the car and screwed on. Well, he puts me in cuffs and tells me Iโm being arrested for possession of stolen property, referring to the license plate. No matter what I said, he kept telling me that I was in possession of it regardless if I knew of it or not, and that I had to go to jail. So yeah, I was put in jail, thankfully for just one night, for being the victim of a crime.
As for what it was like in jail, it was miserable. I was put into a large room with a bunch of 3 layered bunks. I had the top bunk thankfully. I couldnโt sleep...the guys snoring in there sounded like rockets taking off with every breath. I couldnโt even think about anything other than how I just wanted to be home with my SO, who was losing her shit when I spoke to her for my phone call.
Overall, 0/10 would never do again.
metasophiea ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:46:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for the last line
Chaos_Is_A_Lattimore ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Put in jail for a day for defending my little brother who was getting bullied. Spent a day in lockup thinking that it wasn't fair and that my life was over. Lucky for me was that several students and teachers were on my side when they gave their witness reports. Still had to do community service.
UniversalFarrago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you go to jail as a minor is fucking insane
Chaos_Is_A_Lattimore ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was a senior and 18.
Moakmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, really?
Chaos_Is_A_Lattimore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it was 40 hours total. I just did them and that was that. I'll tell you though, the No Tolerance Policy is trash. My brother was being jumped by three freshmen and I wasn't going to stand-by. I don't care if I wasn't initially involved. I would have done it again if it happened again and I still would have thrown the first punch. It's just a lazy bureaucracy to punish kids for standing up for themselves or others.
mxxy69 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:22:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I hope my vagina looks okay"
Have to bend forward, open cheeks (not really cuz I'm thin), and cough to make sure there are no drugs in my pussy.
iman_313 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did it look okay? Haha
mxxy69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I hope so. It looks normal and I made sure to shave haha.
Ms_Nutmeg ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:58:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I have a story for this one.
I was 8 months pregnant when I went to jail for bitch slapping the now ex boyfriend/babydad. He had been accusing me of cheating on him, guilty conscience and whatnot on his end. He called the police, and when they showed up, they could see that since I had locked myself in the bedroom and he was screaming at them to take me away, that there was more to this. They were really cool about it, we had a 30 minute drive to the county jail, where I was living at the time didnโt have a lock up or drunk tank.
I was terrified. I was 400 miles away from family, I was 18, and I was pregnant, and I had no idea what was going on. I tried calling everyone I knew that might know someone close that could maybe come get me or see what was going on, and eventually called my parents. While I was freaking out, calling everyone else, babydad had told my parents that they needed to call me at our apartment. When they did, he told them I had gone to the city to stay the night with a friend. They knew something was fishy, called where I worked and talked to the girls there, they said they didnโt know anything, they had seen me earlier in the day and thatโs all they could really give my parents to go on. I know when I finally called them, it was relief that I wasnโt dead somewhere, but I will never forget calling them, and my dad on the other end of the phone, screaming โWHY ARE YOU IN JAIL????โ
Bless them, they drove all night across the state in order to come get me out of jail. I spent the night crying, a lot of the women in the pod had realized something was up and went mama bear after finding out I was pregnant and just bitch slapped the dude. I didnโt sleep, all I could think about was I had no idea what was going on or what was going to happen. The next morning, I was released on a PR bond. I had to call my brother to get a hold of my parents, and I made the decision then to pack my shit and leave there. Took all three of us maybe 45 minutes to gather my things out of the apartment, and when the last box was packed up, he showed up with his mom. He threw a fit, and we just drove off. Made a visit to the Stateโs Attorney, though, to make sure that I would be okay going home, he told me that I was booked on simple assault, and that heโd drop the charges with prejudice. Almost 11 years later, Iโm glad things happened the way they did. It wasnโt even a full night, but when youโre 18, pregnant, and far from home, itโs more than what you want to do.
TLDR: went to jail 8 months preggo at 18 for a bitch slap, cried a lot, got out the next day.
berthejew ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:41:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail pregnant too, for a similar incident. Only he punched me, so I spit the blood he drew back in his face. Booked and released with charges later dropped, but it was:
Nonviolent Cruelty Toward a Spouse.
What.The.Fuck.
Ms_Nutmeg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:02:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, no shit what the fuck! Iโm sorry you had to go through that! Hopefully now itโs much better for you.
berthejew ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:55:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, and thanks. I'm glad it worked out for you too. I never went back, nor plan on it!
MaiaSan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:08:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So he punched you...but you got arrested...what.
otherdaniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yo fuck that guy
TwixOps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She did hit him... Being 8 months pregnant does provide some explanation, but it doesn't excuse the actions any more than hitting someone while drunk would.
This is why we rely on prosecutorial discretion; to account for those situations where one might be technically guilty of a crime but common sense dictates they shouldn't be charged.
Lord_Snow77 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:11:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail for a night for a DUI a long time ago. Had a cell to myself and had a tasty breakfast. 5 stars would go to jail for one night again.
SmuglyGaming ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:03:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I should not have thrown that coconut....
redditguybighead ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:10:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its better than fucking a coconut at least.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and got stuck
Viotech_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you speak from experience?
holeefuck998899 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:30:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You cant say you went to jail for throwing a coconut and not tell the story
SmuglyGaming ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:50:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I threw a coconut to my friend in his apartment. I missed, it went out of the window and cracked a guy on the noggin, knocking him out, then bounce off and buried itself in his windshield
Ihavetheinternets ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:35:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn
SmuglyGaming ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:21:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was kind of funny till we saw the guy wasnโt getting up. That made it less funny
Alarmed_Ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you learned a valuable lesson about friendship, and physics, that day.
SmuglyGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and how to end up, ultimately, paying 500 dollars and a rabbit
NutmegPluto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Explain please
Yourmumgaym8 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:18:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cried the whole time. Wept. Uncontrollably.
"I missed court, it was a mistake, I don't belong here!"
Not that being a girl always dictates these things but yes in my case, it did. I was a little fucking girl about it. It was a long holiday weekend. Picked up on Friday, Judge wouldn't be in until Tuesday afternoon. Each day my weeping weakened. I tried to stop but couldn't seem to shut it off. That is, until one of the women down the block shouted "SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LITTLE BITCH."
I choked back my tears as my cell mate rolled over, a women on her 8th DUI, 6th in one state, this was her 2nd in Pennsylvania. I couldn't help but think she looked as if she was detoxing off heroine or something of the sort. "You keep crying like that they are gonna take all your clothes." "Why would they do that?" I whimpered. "Suicide watch." she replied.
By the second day they were giving me crushed up pills, but wouldn't tell me what they were. I was so fearful of them taking my clothes, I asked once and decided to not ask anymore. I had nothing, no bra, no deodorant, soap, toothpaste. I refused to relieve myself unless it was lights out because I could see the guards TVs could see me at all times. Relaxing enough to do anything was not an option.
Finally, I got to leave. The process to leave was the same to come in. Booking and release was one side men. Other side women. Washrooms facing each other. They stripped me naked and hosed me down while I could see men watching me from the other side.
This was all because I missed court for a drug charge. A drug charge resulting from making an illegal right turn on red. Having my car searched. Being charged with possession of less of a gram of weed.
And this is the jail with a good reputation.
rizaaroni ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:03:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We seriously need a fundamental shift in our country's way of thinking. Just doesn't make sense to subject people to this when there isn't even proof of wrong doing or have being sentenced. Especially for something so petty.
Sorry you had to go through this.
burtra12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you assuming what country this is?
rizaaroni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh? Did you read Yourmumgaym8's post? Not sure where you are coming from given my reply to their post and the details in their own.
burtra12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously missed the part about Pennsylvania.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:37:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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blue_duck91 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or we could just legalize cannabis. I think that would suffice
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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blue_duck91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. The state turns people with substance abuse problems into criminals. Itโs not moral and it isnโt helping anyone; ESPECIALLY the people who are using.
I point out weed though namely cos itโs so obviously ridiculous to take someone to jail over having it. Itโs not harmful and it was only made illegal in the first place due to propaganda
The constitution was written on hemp!
rizaaroni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not on that one.
The issue goes beyond police though. Bad laws, bad public opinions, policing based on statistics (i.e. # of arrests), etc. Maybe the police are the last line of defense and if they collectively said they wouldn't enforce such laws, we'd be ok. However, that is just a pipe dream. Need to start changing the laws, classifications of some substances and work to handling everything better. E.g. treatment for addicts and a view that they need help vs punishment, cannabis being equal or better than alcohol and treat as such, etc.
duckeater917 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:56:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why could they search your car for making an illegal right turn? Is it b/c you had a record or b/c you missed court?
Yourmumgaym8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:30:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I missed court.. Totally my fault.
More on the situation: "Probable cause" if there is no cam.. It's whatever the officer perceives it to be. Probable cause is a bitch and extremely subjective. I didn't go to jail that night. I was released ROR. I missed the court date in relation to the incident far beyond that night. Yes, my fault, I was young, dumb and.... irresponsible. My mom got the letter and never told me.. But that's absolutely no excuse. You get arrested. You go to court. You stay on top of it. Well, yea.. I learned my lesson. However, the initial night of the charge docs where drafted and at the court date I did finally show up to...I was given papers. These were reports from the arresting officers. Apparently their probable cause was smoke smell, but this was likely cigarette smoke. I didn't know I had weed in my car. I was a smoker, yes. I know "I thought" there was not weed in my car because I was on my way to get weed. My first inclination was that my passenger ditched it and it was hers, and I do still think this, but it's of no importance now. Anyway, there was no way they smelled so little of an amount with no K-9 unit. It was a lie. I explicitly told them to get a warrent. They did not. To boot I was not read my Miranda rights but lol...unless you have A/V proof or an extremely talented lawyer good luck using that as a defense.
duckeater917 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. Yeah I won't drive with anything. I'm so scared they'd see I was nervous and search my car just because.
Sounds like you're doing better now and that's awesome.
Yourmumgaym8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yea. I am worlds away from where I was. But I would never undo it. I appreciate all I have seen, just or unjust. I feel deep love for life now. I had to see hell first. If my past was a buzzfeed countdown this wouldn't even rank this on my worst life situations. I now start to weep when I think of all I have endured, all I have conquered. Happy tears. I have overcome. I should be dead. I love this world. I am alone, and feel love every day. My heart is full, and my only sorrow is that I cannot pass it out to share with others. That it is their own path that needs to be walked to find this feeling I have fully realized. It's hard. So hard. I just wish I could help.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Yourmumgaym8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Feels bad man
UniversalFarrago ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...fuck America.
burtra12 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Highly doubt someone with the username "yourmumgaym8" is American. They also said "washroom".
Yourmumgaym8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I am from America. Pennsylvania to be exact.
burtra12 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:45:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Washroom? Who tf says washroom here?
FluffyMcKittenHeads ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amish.
Yourmumgaym8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't a bathroom... It was quite literally a room where they search you and hose you down.
darkknightxda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:41:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canadians
youngrb ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 19:51:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My business failed some years ago, and it was a rough ending made rougher because we bounced some checks. I truly thought I had covered all of them, and to my surprise I was arrested at the gym while working out on a bad check warrant from three years back. It was livestreamed on YouTube, my son caught it, and got friends and lawyers in play rapidly. (Although, I did not know this at the time.) But, I still had to be processed, and several things stood out both during and after the process:
1) The system is remarkably inefficient. It took me 4-5 hours to get to the jail, and 5-6 hours to be processed to the point where I could be released.
2) Immediately, I could tell that I was being treated differently. I am white, educated, lucid, and well-spoken.
3) The system preys on people who can least afford to be preyed upon. Charging outrageous sums for phone calls, for example, when people in jail need more outside contact and support, not less.
4) Police and administrative personnel experience a range of treatments from those they are serving, with most people resigned and just figuring out what to do. But, there is more than a small share of disrespect towards them, and vice-versa.
5) I was with a pod of a dozen people being processed before I finally got called out. Most of the people did not need to be there. In general, they were in one or more of three groups:
a. Minor drug offenses (pot, PI)
b. Failure to appear on something stupid (pot, car registration or traffic citation)
c. Larger issues (theft) that in this sample were all related to drug use
d. One person settled a fight with his in-law with a 2 x 4, but seemed pretty OK otherwise
6) The system does little to help the people it should be serving. On the categories above, it seems like this approach would be better for all:
a. Stop arresting people for pot. Get people help if they have a persistent drinking problem.
b. Make the administrative process for things like this easier. Donโt arrest people because they are hand to mouth anyway and didnโt have the $65 for their registration, and then when they got pulled over had no idea how to deal with the system. Help them learn to deal with the system.
c. Drug rehab. I am not saying it works all the time, but it is a start to helping someone reclaim their life. The issue is not that they are thieves. The issue is their habit, which they canโt fix alone.
d. I donโt know about this one.
e. The theme is that government should be helping those who need help, even when they make stupid choices.
7) Pro tips:
a. I didnโt know any phone numbers. Sure, I could make a call. I remembered one number, that of my wonderful ex-wife who lives out of state. Her number has stayed the same since before the smart-phone era. I called her, and she told me help was already on the way.
b. When asked if you have been exposed to TB, if you can answer โyesโ honestly, as I can, say so. You donโt go in with the others.
8) Funny observation:
a. I was tasked to proceed on my own, in prison garb (I bathed in Lysol on returning home) from a medical intake room to some other room around the corner and down a long hall, I thought, as I turned the corner to stare down this featureless, windowless, soul-less hall โoh my God this place looks like a prison.โ
9) Political observation: a. This did not happen in jail, but in the months afterwards: I became a liberal advocate of social programs, pretty much abandoned my political party, and started reading with new sympathy the issues of Latino and Black citizens I had been too quick to dismiss.
10) The charges were dropped. I had a lawyer. If it had been any of my cell-mates without the system of support, money, family, connections, and friends โ stability โ I do not think that would have been the case, and what justice is served there?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does (Pot, PI) mean?
Pot, personal inhalation?
Pot, Por Ixample?
Pot, Palc Ihalism?
I really can't figure it out
XANphoenix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Public intoxication probably
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have saved my evening. Thank you!
youngrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer Palc Ihalism, but it is Public Intoxication
Pot refers to marijuana
EthErealist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great post, man.
youngrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Grace happens.
alittleroy101 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:16:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I applaud your newfound outlook on social injustice, why do some people have to suffer injustices personally to be able to empathize with their fellow citizens?
Your fellow citizens were always getting screwed, you just chose to ignore it for most of your life. I just don't get it.
XANphoenix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:24:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While the world would be better if we could all automatically empathize, a white and educated person likely hasn't ever really seen any of the ways everyone else gets screwed before then. If you've never seen it and don't personally know anyone it happens too, it's easy to dismiss protesters as whiney babies who need to grow up. And well, what other exposure is there? I wish people could understand earlier, but at least once they've been confronted with it a lot of people become more empathetic.
youngrb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is a question of viewpoint and experience. I just did not see the other side. I was not blind or unempathetic - I did various things (non-political) to help others -- founded a school, served in various ministries, taught at an historically black college that was having trouble. But, this level of institutional classism and racism was not visible to me.
There might be a parallel with the Black Lives Matter movement. Until the advent of one phone video after another after another showing police acting irrationally, with malice, and illegally, I always took the side of the police, in my mind, in any kind of shooting. Of course it was justified - they were the police. Now, my view is different.
I don't know if I get it either, but I also don't get grace, and am happy to grow and learn whenever or however it comes.
youngrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Considering this further, I do not think I realized at the time how much our social systems are connected. Exaggerated example: Working guy gets registration ticket. Doesn't pay it - doesn't know how, lives hand to mouth, has three kids, one of whom has a medical issue, spouse works second shift, frazzled, forgets, gets arrested, loses job, maybe kids. What would happen if we had national health insurance -- Medicare for all, or something -- and he and his family were a little more whole, and a little more together, and a little less frazzled? It would still be a hard go, but better, and one of the kids might cure cancer.
magikalnerd ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 22:19:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was my first time posting a comment on reddit. My son showed me the site a year ago when I was trying to kick heroin again. This time attempting detox with just the support of my friends and family. Browsing reddit has been a huge distraction for me, and I will be celebrating one year clean on the 12th of March. I will let you know when I have more of my story to post.
smthngwyrd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have them start you on naltrexone, it's generic and blocks the high from the opiate. That way if you do relapse it's less likely to stick because you won't get the high. It's used for weight loss and alcohol too
magikalnerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the info. I haven't heard of that one. I will look into it. I'm not taking any scripts right now, but I know many other people who have quit and might be interested.
smthngwyrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The long acting form is called vivitrol but it's 1k a shot and has more side effects.
legendofzofia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck
magikalnerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good job! Keep it up!
mtskin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:52:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
was put in jail because i had an outstanding medical that went to collections and since i didnโt appear in court a warrant was issued. pretty much everyone that heard my story in there couldnโt believe i was in for owing on a medical bill. got let out after a 24 hour stay(took that long to see a judge) but all for not having enough money.
youngrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Medicare for all.
IronOhki ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:28:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a different story.
I went to prison once as a volunteer. I was helping these guys teach tech skills to inmates who'd be getting out and hopefully finding jobs.
The students were great. They had to be on the good behavior list and write a short essay to get into the class. Very positive.
What shocked me about prison was how similar it was to high school. Same building design. Same smell. We ate lunch with the students, it was the same food. Same bells to announce the time of day. And, obviously, you can't do anything or go anywhere without permission.
Prison was basically maximum security High School.
Funnycomicsansdog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:52:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, high school is minimum security prison
pattejac ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI miss my phoneโ
fellok ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:16:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought when I got arrested was "did they shoot my dog?" I couldn't sleep for days on end, not knowing the results of what happened or being able to get in contact with my roommate. Luckily she wasn't shot, but it could've very easily ended differently.
Penya23 ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 13:24:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This would be a great read if it had a serious tag ...
ChagSC ยท 522 points ยท Posted at 15:54:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay here you go:
You start with processing. This is where your clothes and personal possessions get put in a bag and given your jail clothes and sandals.
Then you sit in a holding cell until they are ready for intake. This can take hours and you share it with other soon-to-be inmates.
Intake is a cell block with all fresh inmates that lasts 3-5 days. Inmates who will remain in jail for longer than that await classification. Classification is an interview process to assess where to place you based on your criminal record and personality and potential danger to others.
Intake sucks a lot as it is jail with people all freshly at the jail. You have a good chance of people withdrawling from heroin or other drugs to be your neighbor or cellmate. Also a lot of scared first timers who donโt know what to expect. And repeat offenders who often have reunions with other repeats. They can smell out the first timers easily and often fuck with them. Most of the time itโs playful but still scares the shit out of first timers.
Classification interview determines your security risk. If itโs a well run jail they do a good job separating minimum security risks vs medium vs maximum. You then get told to collect your belongings and get moved to your assigned pod. Which feels like going on vacation compared to intake if you are classified as minium security as you are free from the hell that is the intake pod.
You have friendlier correction officers in a minium security risk pod. They are happy their rotation drew them a minimum security pod. Your fellow inmates are more the type to be there for DUI, drug possession, failed probation rather than violent crimes.
Then it becomes like Groundhog Day. You do the same routine everyday. Eat, play cards, watch a movie, walk the yard during recreation. Board games. Banter with other inmates. Do your assigned work cleaning duty. Get a nickname. Avoid the few weirdos.
Once a week there is a โpartyโ. This is commissary day. Where all the items such as food, toiletries, beverages, etc are ordered. Everyone is happy as their stock is replenished. Those who can afford it that is. But those who canโt usually get some freebies from those who can afford it.
You read a lot. Write a lot. Shoot the shit a lot. Itโs a lot of highs and lows. Sometimes it doesnโt feel like jail and at times it REALLY feels like jail. You will do a lot of inner reflection. You keep a makeshift calendar marking each day you have served counting down to your release date. You have phone calls to home on occasion and visits. You get sent books and other approved items from family.
The friends you do make in jail eventually hit their release date. Youโre happy for them but also sad because it makes your time seem that much longer.
Then eventually you are up for release. Your name gets called and you get escorted to processing. You get the original bag of clothes and possessions to change into. You get put in an outtake cell with others getting released dressed how you came in and your clothes feel foreign. You have an insane amount of emotions going through you and youโre not sure if this is real. You get released at midnight and just like that you are back in the real world youโve been seeing out your window and smelling on the yard.
You have arranged someone to pick you up and call them. Then itโs a surreal dreamlike experience walking around and waiting. You stop at 7-11 to pick something up while waiting. You get picked up and as driving away look back at the jail. Stopping at a fast food place and devouring the meal as if it is fine dining.
Then you have trouble sleeping for a week as you readjust to normal life out of a combination of excitement and anxiety establishing a new routine.
ChickenNugget108 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:25:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was a wonderful read. I grew up in an orphanage and while the experience isnโt totally the same, itโs not that far from it.
ifonlywecouldsleep ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:09:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best response on here.
Mikeychims85 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for writing that, you almost perfectly summed up my experience from when I did 7 months. Especially what you wrote about the clothes, I had a job in there so my co bosses let me take my clothes out the night before and wash them so they were fresh when I hit the street. Something about seeing and smelling those clothes gave me the oddest feeling that I can't completely explain, it makes you think back to the day you came in and everything that's happened between then and now, the good, the bad, the great people you've met, the total scumbags, the glimmers of hope and nice things that happen in a shitty place, also the horrible things like people getting robbed and beaten for no reason. The thought that since the minute I took off those clothes I kept telling myself one day I'll be putting them on and leaving, and how far away that day felt at times, and now it's here THIS is THAT day. I know 7 months isn't a really long time but those clothes also make you realize your going back to being a "normal person" counting days, talking to my family, having guys tell me I'm "getting short", none of it really sunk in that I was actually going home until that first time wearing pants with belt loops and sneakers with laces, you feel a great feeling but with a huge undercurrent of anxiety, I got into a rhythm being in there of daily life and now it's all going to change and I have responsibilities I can't screw up. After I washed the clothes I put them on(Just trying them on in the laundry room aka work hq I wasn't actually leaving until the next morning) and the 10 or so guys I worked with were wishing me well and telling me not to end up there again. I was actually pretty sad that I had to leave them, they were all good guys like me who just made stupid mistakes, we worked together, ate together, worked out together, played cards and chess, gave each other advice, lifted each other up on bad days, told each other about our families, our thoughts, our plans for when we got out, of course I was happy to be going home but I knew I would miss them and the routine I had come to know as my life for the last 7 months. I may have made jail sound like it's a good place with this comment, but to anybody reading, it is not, you do not want to go there, I basically couldn't have gotten luckier and couldn't have had it better but was still not free, was still kept away from all of my loved ones, and had so many freedoms completely gone. It really shows you how you don't know what you got until it's gone when just putting on some regular clothes can have such a profound impact and make you feel so many different things at once.
Tommy_Wilhelm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fascinating read, thanks for sharing.
jrmclemore ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:16:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
THIS! When I was released, I went directly to an Arby's and pigged out at 2 am. A nice memory to reflect on from time to time.
Ja4ckBurton ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:20:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good insight, hope i never have to verify any of this
PaulHeymanBaldSpot ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:14:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good answer echoing my experience entirely, apart from you getting out at midnight. With me it was down to processing at around 8.30 am on release day, fuck about for a few hours getting prop back, signing release licence and getting discharge grant, and then sitting in a holding cell with five others waiting to be walked out by screws. Didn't actually set foot off prison grounds til around 11 iirc. Bastards. I want my stolen 11 hours back.
CeilingUnlimited ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/bestof
alowester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
seeing freedom for the first time seems amazing
LeZeenu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This should be on top. Thanks for the well written insight.
Tommy_Wilhelm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very enjoyable read. Thanks for sharing!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just sitting here waiting for the undertaker
LeftCheekRightCheek ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck it's cold."
bobleesw4ger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:21:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My moms goona be pissed.
RudegarWithFunnyHat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hugsarebadmmkay ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:14:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my case, the first couple of days consisted of me running the same 10-15 thoughts over and over in my head:
Why did I let myself become so careless that I let this happen? How much of my life is going to be spent paying for this? What are people going to think of me when they hear about this? I wonder what my bail will be set at. How many people here even speak English? And whatโs going to happen when people find out Iโm a foreigner? (I was locked up in Puerto Rico) How can I get in touch with people back home to let them know where I am? What time is it? How long have I already been here? How can I hire an attorney? How can I get money sent to me so I can make phone calls and send emails?
Not to mention the soul-crushing anxiety and misery that comes with drug withdrawals, and all of the questions pertaining to THAT can of worms.
realistlx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After reading some of these I'm feeling a large urge to be a permanent law abiding citizen
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:18:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There goes my job, my girl, my truck, my house, any chance of getting out of this. I've never believed sooooooooo hardily in going back in time as I did when I went to jail. Fuck this question! The waves of horrible great and condemnation are flowing back. Good God Damn that was a horrible time.
antibread ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:24:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was detained one time. I told a cop he wasnt shit, we had a prayer circle, and a girl fell asleep in my lap and i pet her. i know im late to this post, but damn it was surreal
Eucharism ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:52:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day: this isn't so bad, I'll just sleep a lot. That judge Judy TV is really getting annoying.
Second day: oh I'm in a real cell now. Oh... No more tv. Oh everyone here is pretty odd. Yeesh these people tell a lot of lies. I think I'll read. Ended up reading Two Towers and Return of the King in 2 days.
Third day: cellmate showed me how to make a better shower spout out of toothpaste shell. Cellmate helped me smuggle extra blankets to make a makeshift mattress under my mat. Learned the hard way that a blanket in your celldoor means someone is taking a shit. These black guys in here seem to talk 3x as loud as everyone else. They also like to talk to each other at 12am through the hallways by screaming. I have never felt this truly bored.
All in all, if you're not stupid and atleast a little personable, boredom is truly the killer in the big house.
tanarchy7 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:30:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was so scared. Sentenced to 2 months in county jail. It took 36 hours from being taken in from court to being booked. Stuffed in a 7x7 foot cell with 16 people in a room made for 6. It said max. Occupancy 6 people, they took a sharpie and added a 1 in front of it. Days of old food on the floor and one toilet. Took an hour long bus ride to the jails chained with cuffs and metal bars to a very gigantic gang member that represented his pride of said gang all over his face. I was dressed in a button down and slacks, for court, he was on the way to prison but had an overnight in county. I remember this so vividly, I said "hey, dont worry i am not as dangerous as I look" and he just glared at me. Thought for sure i was going to die.
Arrive at Theo Lacy Jail. Strip searched and recieve my bunk. Im mid 30s white male, bunkie sees im scared. I think to myself FUCK hes sizing me up.. He was the "shotcaller" and took me under his wing. Told everyone not to fuck with me. It was a 180 man open dorm cell.
Day 3 in i was moved. Now, im not racist but racism exists in jail. I was moved to a 180 man cell of Hispanics. No one to watch my back. Witnessed multiple fights and feared for my life. The next day my number got called and got to continue my sentence on CWP (community work program) supervised by sheriffs but I got to go home at night.
All from a DUI from july 2007 im finally taking care of.
It is the scariest place ever.
GuapoGotThemBarz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was hungover af on my first day. Puking and I even denied my first meal of the day and I had to because it was Mexican style JAIL FOOD, of course ima pass that gross shit up when Iโm already sick as hell. But other than that, I thought I was good. Then I seen a big Samoan dude with tats all over his face and the word โMURDERโ going from his right cheek, under the chin and finished on his left side. That kinda scared me but there was a local gang that ran the jail, the top dude came and talked to me and recruited me and asking what I did to get in, what my race was and blah blah blah because Iโm a small dude compared to everyone else and they told me to let them know if I had any problems and they got my back. I even seen someone in the same block as me overdose on some sorta drug (synthetic marijuana I think or idk I forgot) and he was seizing and foaming out his mouth we went in lockdown for like 4 hours. I was just 19 years old. Crazy first day in jail. Lmao
UDYE ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:18:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was "oh my God, please get me out of here before I need to use the bathroom"
DarthMagnus88 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:33:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i have done about 8 months of county jail time, first thing that went through my head was FUCK, i'm gonna be stuck here a while When i did 12 months in a unit, first thing that went through my head was at least i'm not in county jail. I will say this for those who have never been, first hopefully you don't ever have to through that experience and also it's nothing like those locked up shows, the majority of people in prison or county jail are in there over some petty shit and most of them are just waiting to go home. Their is some racial divide you do tend to "stick to your race" but that doesn't mean you cant talk with people of other colors unless you a gang. In county jail most gangs interact with other races unless a higheer up comes from prison, then it does become racially tense but even then as long as you are respectful but don't bitch out if someone tries bullshitting you most people will show you respect. About the only people that have a hard time are the ones trying to prove they are some badass, always trying to act hard, if you try to be a bad ass, you're gonna have a bad time.
kmurr82 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It has changed immensely. I was 18 years old at the time and thought I knew it all. I sought treatment for an opiate addiction beginning while incarcerated. I have been clean and sober for 12 years and work in social services where I do my best to assist others who struggle with some of the same issues I struggled with in my past. I am fortunate to have learned many lessons while in jail and used my time there to ponder the direction my life was headed in if I continued the same behaviors and kept the same social circle. I came out focused and was lucky to live in a community that offered reintegration services which allowes me to continue treatment afterwards. I am forever grateful for those opportunities and have done my best to make the best out of them. Thanks for your question.
MiningCole ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:55:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A felony drug possession charge landed me 2 nights in juvenile detention when I was 17. The first night I was escorted to my cell, past all of my cell block mates in the common area who were all staring me down. Needless to say I was a little anxious given that I was a white private catholic school boy in juvi. Anyways we were all in single cells with a tiny window that allowed you to look into the cell directly across the hall from yours. On the first night, a 6โ4โ, dreaded, tatted, Cheif Keef lookin mother fucker stood right as his window and watched me tryto sleep in my bed on the back wall. He didnโt break eye contact for a solid 10 minutes then eventually turned around and went to sleep. I knew I was his target and the next day I figured out I was right. Kevin whooped my ass so bad in basketball he felt bad and gave me his milk at lunch. Great guy.
Sno_Jon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:15:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin was scared (he's a skinny kid) that the big body builder cell mate would beat him or rape him and there's nothing he could do.
He ended up being an alright guy as far as prison goes.
But the worst thing was, he was basically set up by the guy who took his money for a joint business then called the cops on him and said he's threatening him. A stupid move on my cousins part yes but lucky for him charges were dropped.
jmgolden33 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A better question is how did jail change your perspective...
I have more empathy for people who society has discarded. Everyone has a story. Everyone is a human. You can't imagine how worthless a person can feel until you're treated as a prisoner.
Clbull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:42:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think my empathy would depend on what that person did. A child molestor? I'd have no empathy for them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying we should throw everyone in /pol on 4chan in jail?
I like the way you think
davenacca ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide. The first 5 days I was in isolation with a "safety smock" and nothing else.
daneslord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was sentenced to serve overnight...my first thought was, I'll be out tomorrow. Paperwork mixup meant that I was not out tomorrow. They mixed me up with someone else...who got out something like 149 days early. Took them a week to get me out.
ilaundermoney ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:39:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did 2 years at high desert state prison in nevada about 1 hours away from Las Vegas.
My first day was actually ok. Got woken up while I was in County Jail, the CO told me to gather my things I was leaving county and heading to prsion. I rushed to eat all the commisary I had and then gave a bit away.
Shackled up and loaded up in a van. The van ride was pretty cool, first time in 7-8 months I had seen the streets. As we take the turn to High Desert the last song I hear on the radio was Tupac - California Love ( the guards who drove us had the radio on). I get there get clothing, register to use the phones, go through the gang unit, then finally to the fish tank while I was classified. I spent 12 days before I got my first celly and finally left the fish tank to level 3 on day 34
peddiegeneral ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:42:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to University with a guy who one night helped his friends in a brawl and one of the guys he beat up fell off a bridge later on and died. I met him in a pub one night and he revealed that he had a previous of GBH (grievous bodily harm) but still didnโt think he would get any time. He was more annoyed he would not get his degree because he never disclosed his previous charge. Aaaaanyway...he gets time and tell us after he did about three months and that the whole time leading up to it he got so nervous he developed a urine infection. To put you into the picture he finished 2nd in a bodybuilding competition in the UK for his age bracket so he was a big dude. Time inside was spent lifting a lot of weights whilst all the other people were mainly out of it on drugs (he has no idea how they smuggled them in) and completely left him alone.
cryogenisis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:52:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck I hope I didn't kill anyone". I was young and got arrested for drunken disorderly conduct. I remember asking the jail guard what I was arrested for, when he told me it was a huge relief. Especially since I was very hung over. (Which usually causes me bad anxiety to begin with)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:03:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did 24 hours in county over an unpaid traffic ticket. barely even got a taste of it and it sucked.
javoss88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What???!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it was bullshit
javoss88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How can that happen?!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they issued a warrant after x amount of time
superjj18 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:07:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
18M white nerd
I was pretty calm except I was unsure of how my life would turn out. I was arrested by campus police because a female student attacked me and I defended myself but she got hurt in the process. I remember trying to reassure myself that everything would be alright I falsely believed that since the police never read me my Miranda Rights that I would be safe. I couldnโt stop rehearsing what I was going to say to a judge, until 19 hours of jail later i could barely hear him and due to seeing my dad in the courtroom after such a long time in jail, it caused me to pretty much burst into tears so I couldnโt really think straight or speak clearly at the time other than the basic โyes sirโ โabsolutely sirโ. I got overwhelmed when I walked out of the shitty holding cell into the completely furnished courtroom.
InMooseWeTrust ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:53:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why did she attack you? And what happened to the case?
superjj18 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:08:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We threw insults back and forth. I struck a nerve, she grabbed a metal travel mug and tried hitting me with it. Court pre trial is on Friday, hoping the case is thrown out.
Moakmeister ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:27:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving this here for an update in the future. If this case isnโt thrown out, thatโs bullshit and a true defeat for menโs rights. How dare they do this to you for being a victim.
superjj18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:51 on April 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I posted an update btw
InMooseWeTrust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:47 on March 29, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did the trial go?
superjj18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on April 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for the really late reply, Iโve been kinda avoiding it out of laziness and out of the fact that Iโm trying to put this mess behind me. I chose not to go to court(sheโs the daughter of a multimillionaire). Instead I chose to Continue WithOut a Finding(CWOF), and probation for a year. Basically If I get past the probation without any problems(which I wonโt, Iโm a nerd and donโt go out much) then everything is dismissed and can be sealed. Other conditions: write an apology, and must go to counseling in school regularly.
Moakmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:59 on April 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckinโ leaning on her rich daddy to protect her from the mean man who she hit with a metal object. What a piece of shit.
superjj18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:22 on April 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs ok man, her father lives in England and they arenโt very close. I learned after a while that where her family has money, my family has actual family. I receive extreme support and care from my family, where all she had were phone calls. So in that regard I forgive her for what she did.
Moakmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:16 on April 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It takes maturity to forgive someone for something like that. And I notice you didn't say something like "it's my fault" or "I pushed her to do it" or some other self-blaming statement. Good on you, man.
InMooseWeTrust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:19 on April 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You pled guilty to domestic violence.
superjj18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:00 on April 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, CWOF. Continue without a finding, meaning I said there is sufficient evidence for me to be convicted but a ruling will not be made until after my probation. Domestic Violence wasnโt even a charge anyways.
civicSwag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:51:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to do 6 months for a drug charge. First day in prison Iโm standing by my bunk and this huge scary looking butch woman peeked her head out from the shower curtain and got my attention and said โhey come hereโ I was really nervous but I walked over to the showers. She was like โmy bunk is next to yours and I left my shampoo on my bunk can you grab itโ I was so relieved..she turned out to be pretty cool too. The worst part for me was the boredom, luckily I made some friends and we found stupid ways to pass the time.
whosthe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:03:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Day 1: "I'll be out tomorrow."
Day 3: "I'll be out soon."
Day 90: "I'm never fucking getting out."
Also, with the food:
Day 1: "I'm not eating that shit."
Day 3: "I'm starving, but I can't eat that shit."
Day 90: "Are you gonna eat the rest of that?"
deadcomefebruary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did it go from "I'll be out tomorrow" to 3 full months?
whosthe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in on a probation violation. I got out within a day when I got arrested before, and for some reason I thought it would be the same.
deadcomefebruary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Sucks for you, I'm sorry dude
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quite a lot. I was coming down off methamphetamine (coincidentally the 1st and last time I ever did that drug, except perhaps inadvertently later on in some โecstasyโ or โcocaineโ). I was having paranoid delusions, audio hallucinations. Folks wouldnโt shut the fuck up after lockdown so I thought everyone was talking about me. I was just tweaking the fuck out. I realized pretty quick to just shut my mouth and most everyone would leave me alone, though who knows what I was talking about when I first got there. After about 24 hours I was back to normal. Only then did the depth of my dilemma become real to me. I fell into a very deep depressive state. Pretty much a given with stimulant withdrawals. Also after the initial shock wears off itโs so sooo boring. It rly hits u how overstimulated we are and how helpless we become without that. And this was before I ever had a smartphone (2010). I slept until I couldnโt sleep anymore. Fortunately (fortunately for me) Alabama jails/prisons were and still are so overcrowded they could only hold me for about a week, split between a city jail and county, after which I was released with a bonded court date.
(Been sober over 2 years now for those who dig happy endings)
Capt_Crazy_Eyes_0_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing that went through my mind was, "Do I seriously have to shit in front of everyone?!" County jail is the first stop before prison. It's the loudest, scariest thing I have ever gone through. In county jail, everyone stinks, is pissed off, yelling, drunk and all stuffed into one cement room with one toilet. I held it for as long as I could, then finally had to go. I wished I had gone when I first got there when the toilet was "clean". By the middle of the night it was covered in diarrhea, puke and blood. I never hovered so hard in my life.
Don't go to jail, kids. I have to wait 8 years to get my record expunged. This coming summer is finally my 8 year mark!
WillingWitness ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:56:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, looks like I ended up like my dad afterall
keke_fresh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:47:22 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my first or second day in jail coming off of heroin laying on the jail floor because of overcrowding..I remember Seeing "this is where heroin gets you" written in pencil on the wall. That's when reality hit me. Like wtf am I doing here !?
beathor55 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:50:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for a month, 2 weeks each in 2 separate jails.
Going into the 1st one i just remember this dull ass confusion. There is no outside analog for real jail, I had no idea where to go, what to do or how to act. Basically just waited for instructions.
In that jail we were in cells and during my 2 weeks I had like 3 different cellies (cellmates), barely even spoke to any of them, not like hostile just nothing to talk about really and one guy only spoke spanish, my spanish is just what you get from growing up on the west coast so conversations were short.
After 2 weeks I was transferred to a jail that was like a dorm where the only walls were about waist high and you have like 50 guys all in the same pod. The normal routines (meals, lights out, sick call, etc) were at the same times (mabey? I only ever saw 2 clocks when i was in there).
I fucking hated that dorm style. I found it hard to avoid conversations because most of the other inmates acted like it was a fucking perpetual high-school reunion "Hey man! I haven't seen you since we were locked up at X-other fucking jail! whats up?" Genuine happiness all around. So bizzare, lots of looking over each others paperwork and advice giving too. Really missed my cell while I was there.
Fun Fact: Because there was only one clock in the 1st jail, and I could only see it when they let us out of cells, I learned to tell time by where the shadows were outside (once I got a window)
Magic175 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:21:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Simply survival. The prison/jail system gives less than a shit about your safety. Anyone heading for jail first time, stand up for yourself. Make allies. If you think you can just be quiet and stay by yourself, you are wrong. Someone will always try to get something from you.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory "the Dementors" comment
PokeJD ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:22:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"The worst thing about prison was the... was the Dementors. They were flying all over the place and they were scary and then they'd come down and they'd suck the soul out of your body and it hurt!"
-JWS- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedazkaban
Zyk40 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:53:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you do find yourself in jail for a long stretch do your best to become a trustee, you are definitely treated better and time goes by quicker.
theredditeergeneral ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:13:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm on this. Gotta remind everyone that trustee is only for non-assault or non evading arrest people in jail/prison. I was sentenced to 75 for probation violation on a weed charge. Trustees got 3 days for 1 meaning my sentence was dropped to 50 days which was great. Every morning we would wake up and get in a van with a cop and he would take me and 5 other guys to go work on potholes, or pickup trash, or any kind of help along the county. We got to experience fresh air and extra food at lunch break. Sometimes only a few people were needed and one or two of us would stay behind at the jail. Those days were the worst because time went by so slow. Labor that I hated doing when I was free was something I looked forward to once I started it. We would find cigarette butts around and break them down and make our own cigs and smoke them in the basketball area. It was not a bad experience. Very chill people and we got to see through the hall all the fights and bad shit that went on in general population. Trustee is the way to go. Only bad part was having to get strip searched every day when we came in from work.
Mikeychims85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or get a job, I'm sure it's not like this at every jail but where I was, having a job made my stay 1000 times better than the average inmate, so many perks, better food, better treatment from COs. It was a world of difference, and working definately made the time go by faster.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A what?
lookitskeith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some jails give special privileges to inmates who are dependable, respectful and don't cause issues.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh i see
firewall73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A trust worthy person I guess, I mean that makes sense if you are respectful you may be treated better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ohhhhh
The_count77 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to do 60 days in county prison when I was just finished getting my bachelors degree. Tbh, by the time I was introduced to my cell mate and put in a cell (21 of 24 hrs of each day locked in there), I was just happy to be able to lie down. Then the withdrawals happened. I was cold. I cut some socks to turn my short sleeve orange jumpsuit into a long sleeve orange and white jumpsuit. I played some cards and chess, I read some books, I joked with other inmates, I watched the super bowl through my cell door window on a tiny tv 70 feet away. But the one thing I remember most is how hungry I always was. Stomach growling to sleep every night. Saving your oatmeal in empty milk containers for a midnight snack. Thank god you can get commissary after 1 week there. Milky ways and ramen soups make life worth living!
DubLord1994 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That maybe my drinking that landed me here really was a problem despite everyone telling me other wise.
Walking into a room of 40 poker playing inmates that stop what there doing to size up the new guy is always a good time, I swear even the news casters on the TV stopped reading the evening report to stare at me.
YouDisagreeWithMe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got pulled over for a DUI, was below the legal limit (and video later showed it was a bad stop) but they decided due to a new law to leave me in jail for the weekend before talking to a judge.
It was in Seattle and as I looked around the 10 other guys in my cell I had a feeling there was going to be tension. As the only white guy in there I figured out who was going to be the most touchy, talked to him a bit and all was well.
Only had one moment where I thought an actual fist fight was going to break out, but fortunately the guy that caused the trouble backed down quickly.
I now have a personal zero-tolerance rule involving any alcohol and driving.
TheOtherCoenBrother ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail for possession or marijuana, spent two days. That was in a small town I grew up in. Wasnโt bad, honestly. Got in about 2 in the morning, they threw me in a holding cell with a mat, towel, and blanket. After I was processed around 6 they put me in the orange, hen out me back in the holding cell. Around 10 I went into the block I would be staying in. 6 bunkbeds to one wall, 4 to the other. Probably about 16-20 people in there with me. Big guy walked up to me, asked me if Iโd ever been arrested before. Told him no and when I told him what I was in for he gave me a tour. I think he took a little pity on me, honestly. The toilets are what really intrigued me. Two side-by-side, but one had a thick layer of white sand on top of it. He told me that they used one for sitting down and one for standing up, and the white stuff was to keep the seat clean and help with the smell.
I got a top bunk (had to ask a guy across the room who was using it as storage to move his shit and I was terrified), laid down, and went to sleep. Spent the next two days watching Gabriel Iglesias, shitty movies, game shows, and whatever else was on the few channels we got. Played some cards, mostly bullshit. Games would get heated but it was all in good fun. Iโm pretty quick with a joke so I got on everyoneโs good side pretty quick. Food wasnโt great but it wasnt vomit-inducing, plus youโre just happy to eat something. Worst part was having to tell my girlfriend. I was sure she was going to leave me, and that made it so much harder. Thatโs he worst part, in my mind. Knowing hat there are people out there who want to be with you, and you want everything to be with them, but you canโt. I spent my time and when I left they told me theyโd be pissed if they saw me back in there lol
Second time I was arrested I went to Houston, and it was horrible. Get down to your underwear in front of everyone else waiting to be processed, which was about 40-50 other people for me. Taken into a room with five other guys, you get naked. They walk you down a hallway where you grab your new clothes. They throw you in a cell with about ten other people, and thereโs nothing but concrete. Had to use my shoes as a pillow, and I had been wearing TOMS so it was even worse than it sounds. Plus, it was FREEZING. Had to be like 60 in those cells. No blankets, so you did what you could to tuck yourself into your shirt and stay warm. Every 2-3 hours theyโd come in and move you into a different room, so right when you started to fall asleep you were jolted back awake. Spent the better part of a weekend in there and I was absolutely miserable the entire time.
deadcomefebruary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 reasons i would hate your Texas jail experience in particular: 1) I fucking CANNOT handle cold 2) I don't wear underwear.
TheOtherCoenBrother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not exactly built for the cold either, was a bad time lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What form of dog do you have?
TheOtherCoenBrother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Final form. Honestly donโt get your question though
hswhu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:21:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In from the UK so it's a little different, got arrested on a night out for fighting, got lifted by a beat cop and was thrown into a single man cell with a gym mattress as a bed. My first thoughts where how cold it was, sat up all night near freezing to death on this gym mattress before being let out in the morning with no charges.
Overall a really shitty night
Corsair3820 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be rude I don't want to hear that shit. If you've been in North America you would be facing jail time, rolling the dice with the cops it terms of treatment, sentencing by the court, court fees, potential legal fees, misdemeanor on your record, possible substance abuse classes, and God knows what else. There are times I really wish we had a legal system that wasn't so f***** up
lobiggz92 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can never come back here again. Ever. And I never did :)
strawhat4king ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:31:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly: Fuck
Intermittent: God Damnit
taatzone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf...seriously..anxiety and play it cool ๐ buuuuuuuut anxiety strikes hard knowing your life is not yours ti control anymore..but I was acquitted at the end, realizing that thinking b4 doing something, that is not worth your freedom at least even in times of being desperate, is not worth it at all
*Enjoy life Responsibly *
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Jesus Christ, how did I end up here? I'm nothing like these people."
Turns out I was...
1kSuns ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck.. what's that smell?"
"So much for my job, my marriage, my kids."
"What happens now?"
"No seriously, why does it smell like that everywhere?"
The "what happens now" was the biggest one. There's zero communication from the outside as to what the next steps are. How do I get a lawyer, how do I post bail, when do I even find out what bail will be, what do I do now, what will I do after, what time is it, how does this phone work?
leavemycookiesalone ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:57:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was 23 and went to a minimum security prison for 432 days. I had already been doing about 3-4 months county jail so first day of prison was more of a culture shock than anything. To explain this better I'll refer back to county jail. It's VERY laid-back with the inmates and SOME of the guards. Most of the guards are hardasses because they get a power trip from the job or are in actuality scared shitless of you and the inmates hence the facade of being a hardass.
Forward to prison. Prison is a whole different ballgame. You have people in there that NEED to be locked away from the "free world". Others just caught up in the court system and would rather do their time than deal with probation or even just the real world. My first day was the sudden realisation that this is NOT a game or a movie. This is REAL shit. Everything I took for granted in the past is suddenly flooding my mind and instant regret, anger, bewilderment has kicked in. "What the fuck have I done?" I'll be honest before coming in I had the mindset of "I can handle this. This ain't shit". I couldn't be further from the truth. It took me about 6 months to become accepting of what I had gotten myself into. It was very much a slap in the face and a wake up call.
I'll never go back. County jail on the other hand..that ain't shit. ๐
pocketfrisbee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was tripping acid and got locked up for it because the cops smelled my marijuana, found the rest of my tabs, and hauled me off. My first thoughts were that I was never going to see my family again, my fingerprints looked pretty fuckin crazy on this screen, I wonder how much longer I will sit in this room alone, I wish this sprinkler would quit spraying me in the face every time I doze off, etc. My experience is probably a bit skewed.
DirkEnglish ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:31:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThat left over pizza from last night would be so goodโ is the first thing I thought
batmandarling ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:54:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail overnight. When I woke up, I realized someone had stolen my juice box from breakfast... those fuckers.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:18:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can just tell a lot of these stories are fake as fuck
Floridagrown182 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:43:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont drink and drive it will fuck your life up. I was lucky enough to get house arrest for my 2nd offence in five years. This post really opened my eyes on how lucky i really am. I am 70 days in on a 100 day sentance of house arrest.
Rawflax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:51:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for the night once for fleeing the police. As I entered, the thought was "my life is fucking ruined".
After two hours, my thoughts were "wow, this 75 year old black man is really fucking good at chess".
Americasycho ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:35:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was arrested for a DUI and was in a redneck county in Tennessee in the late 70s. This was on a Friday and he couldn't see the judge til Monday. He said in this tiny county it was just one giant 10 man cell.
At some point they book some guy for child molestation and he goes in with them. My dad said he watched two guys grab the molester by the arms and force him to his knees. He said another guy took off a heavy looking boot, stood over the molester and said "I'm the judge, jury, and motherfucking executioner". My dad says this dude just whacked the shit out of the child molester until he bled all over the floor. He said part of him was scared about the violence, but he also said that molester deserved it.
0m3gaMan5513 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:49:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"So, this is rock bottom."
IgnoranceIsAVirus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:09:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in my r/iamverysmart phase and didn't renew my vehicle registration, being a kid I didn't have the funds. got put into a holding cell for a few hours, didn't know how long dad would take...
Looks at the stainless steel sink toilet combo, and how it was constructed, they took my shoe laces.
Slowly did the calculations in my head of the strength of the bars, concrete, fixtures and realized that someone as smart as I was designed this thing so even I couldn't get out.
And then appreciated the amount of engineering cold rolled steel has and how many years and lifetimes went into creating this little cage as all hope slowly drained out of me, knowing that my future could only be affected by someone outside this cage.
Helplessness.
Dread.
Cold.
Even with the entrance open because the police station person was being nice.
It was the single most stoic "now think about what you've done" moment in my life.
Don't ever be poor.
runningmurphy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:50:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worried about getting killed... not by any inmates. The county jail medial staff werenโt knowledgeable about the difference of type 1 and type 2 diabetes. When ask by an inmate why I left my cell so much and I told him I was type 1 diabetic (prone to seizures in my sleep) he responded โShit n***a you got the dangerous diabetes! Iโll yell for a CO if I hear ya flop around at night!โ
rnmha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:23:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing went through my head the first day and each day after that...as hard as jail.will be, it will be cake compared to life after jail. I knew that jail would be hard and it most certainly was. But i also knew that my life after jail would make jail seem like a cake walk. And boy was i right. On both accounts. Some people have no problem adjusting to jail life. The learn how to "jail" easily. I heard many people say "son! You need to learn how to jail! Jailin is a different way of life. You cant be thinking about life on the outs and expect to learn how to jail! You got to accept that you cant do anything for your people on the outs while you in here. You need to learn to jail or you aint gonna make it ." So jailin' is a way of life and an attitude that one must learn or you will go crazy in jail. I didnt learn quickly. I lost my mind in jail because i was so worried about my family and everything i knew i was going to lose and what everyone was saying and all tje things i could no longer control with life on the outside (or " the outs" as they call it in jail). What i should have been doing was learning how to and accepting life in the inside...such as how to sleep on a one inch plastic mattress on top of a steel plate for a bed frame, with one dirty sheet to tie around the mattress and one to cover with along with one itchy stinky blanket and no pillow. Not to mention how cold it is in jail. And how disgusting it is smelling amd hearing so many different men fart all night long. And snore. And caugh. And stay up all night laughing and talking and watching tv. And just hiw disgusting food can be made to be. The food is probably the single hardest aspect of jail life. It is absolutely vile. Jail bologna is disgusting. It is vomitous. It is evil. And yet i learned to look forward to it. I learned to eat out of trash cans. I mean literally reaching into trash cans amd grabbing half eaten food mixed with whatever else people threw in there and eat it without any effort to clean it off. Just to keep from being hungry. I didnt eat anything the first three days. Then hunger takes over and u eat just certain things like the milk or cereal. But pretty soon you realize that you arent going to get enough by being picky. Even if you have money on your account for store, it will take a few weeks before you can actually get an order in. So you learn to eat anything and everything. But its never enough. So u do somethings you never would imagine you would do to keep from being hungry. So anyway, the entire time, i knew life after jail would be worse than anything jail had to offer. When i got out i would be a felon and i know noone in my line of work gets a job with a felony. I knew i ruined my life and the life if my family. I knew i would never count again nor would my opinion matter nor would anyone give two flying fucks because i am now a felon. So my first day and every day thereafter was consumed witj thoughts of my former life, the pain of causing so much harm to my family and the pain of accepting that i will never be anyone ever again. Yes, i kniw that tjere is always a chance amd that some people have wonderful lives after going to jail or prison or becoming a felon. But that is not the norm. That is what we tell our friends if it happens to them and we havent yet let go of them or started avoiding them yet because we havent yet realized that their life is really over and we cant really do amything to help them. Or what we tell ourselves if we arent yet ready to acvept our true fate if it happens to us.its just a tale to buy some time. But eventually we realize its.over. that your friends are all moving on becausw good things happen to them..but for you, its set back after set back after disappointmemt after doors slammed in your face. I realized early on how hard it would be and it consumed me throughout jail. The only problemnwas it didnt even begin to prepare me for howndifficult and painful it is to actually lose everything and go through this. As much as everyone hated me for what i did, noone hates me more than i hate myself. Noone is more ashamed of me. Amongst all those people who are ashamed, none are more ashamed than i am of myself. My wife dropped me like a hot rock. Cant say i blame her. She is entitled to a normal life. So are my kids. Who was i to think i was worth sticking it out with. Thats for better people than me. Thats for the movies. I had my chance and i lived a good life for a few years. I should habe appreciated it more. I should have taken more precUtions to protect my life. I should have known that ugly fucks like me dont get second chances. That without the job and salary, i am nothing but a weirdo ugly loser who will never know love again. At least not the love of anyone worth loving. I might find someone in my predicament who is desperate for anyone. But that isnt love. That is just desperation. Filling a void. Taking what you can get. Giving in to the fear. I wonder when i will give in. Will i call it what it is or try and justify it. Who cares? Either way, i put myself here. I cant expect anyone to go down with me. Who did i tjink i was to think my wife would give me a chance. Why wouldni think i was worth the risk? What the hell was i thinking to think she still loved me and would wait for me. All this has shown me that i truly am a piece of shit. Thats what i have been thinking about mainly since the first day of jail. Comimg to terms witj the fact that i really am a piece of shit deepndown inside. And that eberyone around me knewbit and was waiting fornit to happen amd snickered when it finally happened. But it still hurts to think about it. I still wake up paniking and i still dream about my wife. I still love her. I am still in love. I still need her. I still hurt. I still need a shiulder to cry on andbexpect her to be there for me. I still am in shock that she is with someone else. I am still devestated.
symphonix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:31 on July 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear that brother. I feel your pain.
AgincourtSalute ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:44 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am in the UK and my first day in prison was at HMP Wandsworth. Half of me was just in complete disbelief, I was sure that they would see it was all a big mistake and come and let me out. The other half of me was fearful, wondering if and when I was going to get the beating of my life, and wondering how my aged parents were coping in my absence.
I was a Full time carer for my father at the time and I couldn't believe that they would send me to prison and leave him at home with my mother, who was in her eighties, as his only help. I was inside for twenty months and he died about half way through. I didn't get to see him again, or attend his funeral.
Prison is torture.
localellietales ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:05 on February 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So sorry to hear
R3dth1ng ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'M GOING TO BREAK OUT
into tears :(
urbandk84 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:30:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is it with institutions and meal times?
Prison/Army/Hospitals - breakfast @ 5/6 AM, lunch @ 12, dinner @ 5/6 PM.
I mean, we're all people. NOBODY eats breakfast @ 5 AM.
WTF
Drunk_camel_jockey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The county jail I went to fed you what they called "food" at 4am and 4pm. That's all you got except commissary which you had to be in for 21 days before your eligible and it was once a week.
RaichuaTheFurry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Shouldn't have been in that Walmart for a suspiciously long time."
LadyMethaneCuddles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's your story?
RaichuaTheFurry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:11:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Successfully escaped from a halfway house in the middle of nowhere (was sent there because I stole my dad's van); walked a third of the way across New Hampshire just to get caught after I decided to camp near the Walmart in Claremont for a couple days. Was sent to Manchester YDC and for a couple months and got sentenced to probation.
Edit: Missing info
KingBubzVI ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This fucking sucks. And it's fucking cold."
cHipsForTheBoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh so this is the process for being able to mark yes on the "have you ever been a felon?" Question for job applications
charliebrownisreal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm bored, this is boring, I'm never coming back because this is the most boring thing I've ever done in my entire life... what's this Book, I'll read this book about absolutely fucking nothing because I'm so fucking bored fuck.
Good bye fiancรฉ, good bye life, goodbye video games and goodbye to being able to jerkoff by myself.
Seriously, never ever don't wear flip flops in the shower.
jackster_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted my mommy. Plain and simple.
MarioStaresSternly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This is better than being out in the snow"
dextromethorphansand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't everyone just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Non stop chatter happening all the time. Yelling, fighting, wooping, whistles, claps, slams, kicks, "OUCH!", "OH MY GOD", "YEAH BOI", "WHO DAT?", "WHERED THAT FOOL GO?", "WHO GOT SOME SALT". all good damn day.
NotFallingInTheTrap ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:00:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not me and also not what got through his head, but a funny story anyways. My dad went to jail for 3 days for beating the shit out of a bus driver who accidentally and very slightly taped the head of my grandpa with the mirror. The funny thing is that the bus driver also went to jail for 3 day for driving in an inappropriate way and therefore taping the head of my grandpa. The sentence for both was actually 2 days but for some reason you can't get out of jail on Sundays in my home country. Anyways, they stayed in the same room the 3 days. Day one: they scream at each other all day. Day two: silence the whole day. Day three: BFFs. Lol.
scarecrowe01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was only in jail for three days but I have never felt so lost in my life. Mostly because of what got me there. I had gotten black out drunk and attacked my pregnant girlfriend and my neighbors. Basically tried to murder them. It was a horrible gut wrenching feeling. I had never been there before but I thought my life was over. I was scared I hurt my unborn child. Actually most of the feel was fear. I was scared of everything. I was to shocked to to think much about anything else. Jail was nasty the food was terrible and I will never forget what happened for what I did. I deserved a lot worse than what I got. Fortunately my girlfriend forgave me and her uncle was a lawyer and got me out on house arrest we are back together now. Itโs been over two years since that happened. My daughter is healthy and 2 years old now. I love her more than anything. I donโt drink anymore and I know now what drinking can do to me. It wasnโt just that. I had to learn about the anger that resided in me. It has caused so much pain not only to me but to everyone In my family. Anyway if anyone sees this please be careful with alcohol. My mother also was killed last year by a drunk driver. Which has taken a toll on me. The people pulled from the opposite side of the road and it was a head on collision. My grandma was driving and almost lost her ability to walk from it and my mom died because she was sleeping in the passenger seat. I apologize for Going off topic. The bottom line is jail was not a good experience for me at all as it should have been. And I donโt ever want to go there again for any reason.
FloatyMcBoatface ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a family member steal my identity while I was quite literally in Fallujah in 2004, definitely out of the country. Anyway, fast forward to when I come back home in 2011 after spending a year and a half in various hospitals and rehabs. I went to get my drivers license and stuff renewed and updated, the very next day 4 Sheriffs Deputies were banging on my door. My family member had, of course, never showed up after getting out of jail on bond. So I went to jail with no clue what the hell was going on, and of course the sheriffs deputies laughing at me thinking I had to know what it was about. We get there and everyone finds out that my fingerprints and picture do not match the person on file. Sadly, they held me overnight because they were all too stupid to figure out what to do. The judge let out the next morning and I fully cooperated with the investigation.
Anyway, what was going through my head on my way to jail in the back of the police cruiser? WHAT THE HELL? I didn't do anything? How am I going to take care of this? My Wife just watched me get arrested for something that happened when she thinks I was overseas, this is such a mess. In other words, there was a lot going through my mind. I wasn't really scared, just confused.
Salazaar69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:34:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First night actually, but it was along the lines of I hope they don't notice I'm on acid and try to tie me down. They didn't thank god
La_Lanterne_Rouge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first jail experience was in the US Army. I was a buck sergeant just returned from Vietnam. My service skill was in high demand and they were offering a $6000 bonus to reenlist (1967, you could buy a nice car for that money). I knew that if I reenlisted I would almost immediately go back to Vietnam, so I refused. I had six months before I was released from service and the Army decided to make those six months as miserable as they could. They worked me like a mule and on weekends I had to take a military honors rifle squad to funerals for Vietnam soldiers so all my time was taken. Toward the last three months of my service, they assigned me to the Fort Meade stockade and, after a couple of hours of training that didn't have anything to do with the job, they put me in charge of a cell block. At the end of the first day, after 12 hours of duty, I thought: It's better to be an inmate than a guard. The lousiest job of my life, if there is a hell, it's being in prison as a guard.
krayner2814 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt say a word to anyone for a while then my cellie and I started talking about why were in there. It was a long couple days waiting for court after the weekend. Once I got out, I used my brother's phone to call my cellie's friend to go bail him out. I haven't spoken to him since. I hope you're doing well Jorge.
8bitMotherFucker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:53:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was falsely accused, arrested and charged with multiple felonies while I was supposed to be at work.
In chronological order:
"I need to call my boss" "I need to call a bondsman" "I need to call a lawyer" "There's no way I'm eating this food"
TazzzTM ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:18:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always find these threads interesting because I never would have imagined so many redditors have been in jail/prison
mep11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:27:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for 3 days as a 19 year old, that looks 16 for driving with a suspended license. I had to strip naked and give up my clothes. I got a striped shirt (orange and green) that had a crazy deep v neck and pants that were actually pretty comfy. I got socks, some loose brown boxers, and blue sandals. I was booked and took in my cell. My cellie and I had the basic jail convo "why you in here" then I go to sleep. It was so freaking cold in there specially at night. The bottom bunk was sought after because the a.c. was on the ceiling and you would get blasted on the top bunk. Most people moved their mattress to floor to sleep if they didn't get the bottom bunk. We got woken up at 5am to eat food that tasted really bland, even the eggs tasted like nothing, I don't know how you do that but they found a way. Went back to bed woke up a few hours later. Tried to call my mom so I can be bailed out but then realize I don't know her number or anybodys. I thought I was going to be there in till my court date so I was trying to wrap my head around that. It was boring and cold, there's basically three things to do in there sleep, read, and talk to other people. I tried to sleep as long as possible then read for basically the whole day. There was also a creepy man who would follow me everywhere, waiting for his chance to rape me. When I was in my cell he would be right outside it, he would occasionally peep his head in or pretend to walk by so he can get a look in. I was prepared to beat some ass to protect mine. 2 days of shitty sleep at night from it being so cold and having to sleep very lightly during the day so I can be ready to take on this fucker if I have to, I was sleep deprived and thinking how I'm i going to last a month of this. Third day my mom found where I was and bailed me out. I still don't know how she found me, my car was in a parking lot and my phone was turned off. I was released then I walked to the nearest store and bought some Cheetos and a Arizone. I'll never forget that walk. The feeling of the sun hitting my skin and the sense of I can go anywhere and do anything now. It's really to put it in words but I can't remember a time I was so happy and relieved. I can't imagine what it would feel like after doing years. I never got my boxers back. I don't know if they throw them away or incinerate them but they were gone. All in all it was a learning experience. If you do anything stupid you're going to be bored, cold, tired, and you might have to defend your booty hole from creeps. By the way I still have those brown boxers and wear them, they're nice boxers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:53 on July 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this post is old, but this couldnโt be more true. Once youโre in the system, youโre set up for failure. Itโs complete shit!
Lost_Follower ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:15:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing was why?
Why was I careless, stupid, thinking i couldn't get caught, etc.
Then it was alpha mentality. I had to how my own and keep to myself. Me out there could not be me in here. Or I would end up dead.
I did two years served and then five on parole. I wouldn't wish prison onto anyone. Good news is it straightened me out. If not for prison I would most likely be dead by now.
bw0404968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wrap my mind around what that would be like. May I ask, what you was in for? What you do now? Did you meet anyone inside who was legit innocent? Are fights/rapings a real things? TY
Lost_Follower ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:11:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was locked up for conspiracy to commit credit card fraud and two counts of credit card fraud. Stole my ex girlfriend's cards and thought I was slick.
My cell mate or bunk mate who was in my section was in for manslaughter. He got me involved in a shakedown second week in because he had stolen items on his person.
Took my blanket and pillow which was all I had in there at the time. I hated him for that and then I tried to start something. Found out real soon that was a bad idea.
I wasn't in maximum security or anything like on TV. It was like pods and units each with a number of cells and a little public area. I never witnessed a rape but if you see candy on your pillow and you eat it, it was your way of agreeing to be a bitch.
Saw plenty of fights but nothing crazy. It changed my life and even now to this day I have that mentality scream at me in the back of my head when life gets sideways and I am just like, "take a deep breath, it isn't worth it."
I could have avoided it for the most part too if I didn't lie and act all innocent and smart. The DA even said since i had zero remorse or care for what I did that they wouldn't go easy. I was supposed to serve 7 to 10. Between good behavior and population I got lucky. 2 years served and the rest on porale.
bw0404968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy stuff man. Congrats on staying straight and keep it up. Thanks for sharing.
Lost_Follower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. Thanks for asking.
_iceTrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thinking it was a dream through the whole booking process. Then they hit me with my bail amount and then I was sure that I was dreaming. Then after actually going into the holding cells I slept immediately (it was a very long day) so I could hurry up and wake up from that terrible dream.
Surprise, didn't happen. Got arraigned two days later and sent off to county.
fosterunderstanding ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:35:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Omg how can this be happening? How can I be the one going to jail right now? How can this cop be threatening me when he never even bothered to ASK ME what happened!?!"
And then, after the bullying intake officers, being left in a urine soaked room, humiliated by having photos and fingerprints taken and told to shut up, being forced to strip in front of a guard, putting a harsh anti-lice shampoo in and wash it out (still in front of a guard), and being escorted to the males' side because the female side was overcrowded, I thought, "Well at least I'll be safe in here. No one can get through these cinderblock walls to hurt me tonight." And I got the best damn sleep my teenage self had had in years.
My school board president hired a lawyer for me, I moved in with our high school librarian, the superintendent sponsored me for a rotary scholarship to study abroad... It was a the start of the rest of my much-improved life. Perplexing to be locked up when I had been the one attacked, again, but that's a small town cop for ya when your mom is sleeping with his boss. It all came to light.
Life is really good now, and I take time to feel gratitude daily.
Notinjuschillin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was taken to Rikers Island (NYC) at night. The first thing I saw upon arriving at Rikers is a bloodied inmate being taken out on a gurney. I thought I was going to die in that jail.
Edit: It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. When I got to the cell block, I met with other guys that I lived in my neighborhood, went to the same school, sat in the same classes as I. There were some fights I got into but there were no different than fights I had outside of jail.
That happened over 20 years ago, and I am not that guy and never will be.
classiercourtheels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it as bad as it is on Law and Order??
Notinjuschillin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the cell block. Theyโre all bad, some worse than others if you can imagine that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The hell'd you do to end up in rikers??
Notinjuschillin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rather not say. I was sent Rikers because I did not want to post bail. By the time the court proceedings were done, I had time served, and was released. Would have been better that way than to be remanded to serve time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure
Ziggyscoolcathat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been to the county jail 11 times with only 3 of those being more than 12 hours. They were all for minor probation violations, when I was on intensive probation for what was at the time a pilot program for either repeat DUI offenses, or like DUI traffic accidents. I remember two of those times, I was getting put in classification, to determine which pod they were going to place me in for the rest of my stay, seeing scary looking tattoo covered guys, swastika covered white guys, I just remember thinking both of those times please don't put me in with him over and over, and then end up getting put in with them. Both of which weren't as scary as I thought, and both were career prisoners that recently got released and were going back in, and looking on the department of corrections website, one got sentenced to 15 years and the other got 30.
Edit My charge was 2nd offense DUI been sober since 2012
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Ziggyscoolcathat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm white as well
Calyptratus222 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:34:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So this is what my pet snakes feel like. :(
pootiemane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought about all the tasty food I would be missing out on
deadcomefebruary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good opportunity to lose weight though?
pootiemane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well when you are diabetic and the jail finds any reason to not treat you its worse
IShouldLiveInPepper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:12 on March 10, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is the food has little nutritional value so you get hungry again faster after you eat. Then if you have money in commissary you'll be pigging out on commissary food, which for the most part is all junk food.
Bmc169 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:25 on March 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was one of the hardest things for me. Just ALWAYS being hungry. Lost weight that I didnโt have to lose.
deadcomefebruary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on March 10, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just...so wrong conditions...
pl4inwaffles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no one owes you anything.
the world moves on with or without you
not prison but i was remanded for 2 weeks +/- while waiting for my court hearing. had to be in custody because it was a violent case (rioting lol). with no windows and a dim light shining 24hrs on you it really fucks with you and your perception of time. iโm myopic too and for safety reasons they do not allow glasses inside cells.tried to squint n look at passing guardโs watches for the time to no avail.
whiteboy67 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was recently arrested and booked into jail for a day until released on my own recognizance. It sucked. I hadnโt showered that day and was arrested in my pjs outside my house. Jail was a filthy place. We got shuffled around different cells that housed about 20 people or so. Every few hours we got bounced to a new cell. I saw people coming down off various drugs.
Saw a very large angry black man locked in a single cell wearing a red robe like shirt. People joked he was goku and were screaming at him to provoke him. He was beating his fists against the walls and yelling quite loudly. I swear he shook the walls lol. Another guy swallowed a bundle of coke so the cops wouldnโt find it and ended up having a seizure in the pod. They cleared out us and brought medical in. Only saw one fight where a black man punched another black man because he moved to let the guy use the phone and the guy ended up just taking his seat. He decked him a few times and that was it. Then yelled โyou made me use violence against my own kind! The fucks wrong with you bruh!?โ
I hated it. Once again, it was filthy. I didnโt sleep the entire time I was in there nor did I eat. The food was bags of horrible looking apples, peanut butter, crackers, and a jelly packet or something. Most people ended up using the bread inside as a pillow. The smell was horrible. Lots of homeless people. Think piss and BO combined with a hint of shit. I ended up using soap as a pen to write phone numbers on my gym shorts I was wearing Incase I got separated from my buddy who had the lawyers number and another number I needed.
When I got out I realized how shitty jail is and Iโll never want to go back. My sentencing is coming up and Iโm hoping I donโt get sent back since I agreed to the states plea deal.
Joshua_Bruh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Well shit" "Man this is boring" I got really good at meditating.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"At least the werewolves can't get me now." I was having a psychotic reaction to a recently prescribed SSRI. Be weary of anti-depressants folks, they can send you to the slammer for months if you're not careful.
Fuct1492 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! I havenโt seen you guys in awhile.
Always knew guys in county.
beesknees29 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm fat and out of shape. Better use my time wisely.
sinful_viking ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First cell in the loop. Made the mistake of pointing out to the guards that we where about 60 people in a cell that had 45 ppl max written on the outside. The guards let everyone to the next cell later except me, dropped my lunch in a very fuck you very much manner. Was the only white boy in the cell when the sourenos showed up later. They heard what I had done and told me I was crazy. Got my bunk later (room of about 80) , learned that whites are with Mexicans. Had a peckerwood called little Charlie sheen ask for my bunk pad as we got walked through the rules at camp snoopy, thought about decking him but realised he was just helping out. Wondered what time it was, breakfast never at the same time and thought about how I'd never go back.
DepressedBagel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really prison, but mental hospitals can be pretty close. I was in for suicidal behavior and stuff like that, while some kids were in for assault or attempted homicide. It was all really chill and everyone liked me, which was surprising. We'd mainly go around trying to make shivs to cut ourselves or find spots to hide food. The admission period was weird. They asked me questions ten searched me. Checked my body for wounds, then had me squat and cough (in case you have something up your butt hiding...) after finding nothing, they showed me to my room and that was it for the night. Nothing but the clothes I was wearing and a bed, I barely slept. They lead the door open and the hallway lights on and check on you at rand intervals every 10-20 minutes. My room mate was Adrian, who had similar disorders except he had some sort of mental disorder which caused him to get really angry easily. When a transgender boy (female-male) was discriminated, the unit had a freak out which included us hitting things or punching things. I got discharged after 1 week and still have to attend psychologists and therapists weekly. When Adrian got discharged, he apparently ran away because he was being sent to a center in Utah. Not sure how long he was gone, but I made friends there and I was sad to leave them. It was boring as hell but I cared about them so much. One kid named Najay seemed to have been abused, and barely talked. Even after all he had been through, he was soft spoken and kind. I gave him books like National Geographic to read, and he gave them to others in the unit. When I left I cried. I hope he's okay.
UniversalFarrago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...wtf do you mean by "the unit had a freak out".
DepressedBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was about 15-20 of us in that unit and we all got pissed off so we started hitting walls, throwing things and yelling at staff. So basically everyone in the unit went crazy about it
Silverlitmorningstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One week Jail time for a dui- "man this is fucking boring, not drinking and driving again"
TheCosmicEntity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what we need more sensible limits on jail time. People would more likely learn their lesson from a short stint than years or months at a time destroying their livelihood.
Silverlitmorningstar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it. Now I wasn't one of those shit faced drunk drivers. Just a few beers and driving home a few friends and by chance hit a checkpoint. But when I got arrested and spent 6 days in it was a wake up for sure. Like fuck this I do not want this. 6 days is enough let alone years
AustinA23 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:32:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...fuck. that is all
RambleOff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I accidentally got myself put on suicide watch. They asked if I felt hopeless and stuff, and yeah. I did. I was going to jail. So then, as a nice pick-me-up, they stripped me naked and put me in a weird double-breasted tunic thing. With Velcro. The whole experience was very dehumanizing.
kchc1988 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So this is jail
Cleed79 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Next time, Mexico.
Hakairoku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is gonna be an interesting experience.
dbx99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โUmmm. I guess Iโll just sleep then...โ
poiskdz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You only doin two days, the day you go in, and the day you get up on out this bitch.
Budgiejen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ended up in jail for 4 days because I happened to get picked up on a Friday for driving under suspension. Stupidest thing ever.
Mostly I was worried about my health. Those cots aren't exactly the pinnacle of lumbar support. I didn't have my psych meds. They didn't understand a gluten-free diet. I ate a lot of oranges and green beans there. Also, I worried about pooping in front of my cell mate.
PatriotBlack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was, "Oh my God, how did I get here? I've never even gotten a ticket or stern talking to." Then I met my cellmates and realized we were all just people. Yes, some of us are more violent but by the end, we hugged each other good bye and it helped me more then hindered me.
awkwardmantis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This shower room looks holocaust-esque."
We were getting processed in county jail, and a group of 6 of us women were told to go in this shower room, take off all of our clothes to be handed to the cop lady, and shower one by one with this awful smelling soap. The room was just grey concrete and weird tile, and it was kind of creepy to be corralled in this room with other naked people, and losing what belongings you had on you for an unknown amount of time. It reminded me of the "shower" gas chambers.
Edit: When I got to prison, it wasn't as bad. The CO's were a lot more pleasant compared to the power drunk cops in county, and I even met some people who had mutal friends with me, so it was a low key experience. I think my first thought was just reflecting on how crazy my life went, as we drove through the sallyport. I'll never forget the sign that said "lethal electric fence."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went twice, never spent more than a night. The first time I slept there and it wasn't horrible, not something instant to do again though. A lot of trashy people and a lot of normal people.
The 2nd time I spent 12 hours in booking before being released. That's what jail is, punishment by waiting.
Habbyy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI am never getting caught smoking weed againโ
A funny thing happened that reinforced this. I was in bookings In downtown Brooklyn, in a cell with about 20 other people including an older man. The man started yelling to the guards that he needed a cigarette. It was pretty normal at first, they just ignored him and his screams got louder and louder. What happened next was unfucking believable.
I shit you not, this man took a piss, filled a plastic cup up with his piss and started pouring it on his head, all the while demanding that the guards give him a cigarette. My mind was fucking blown and they immediately escorted everyone into a separate cell to leave him by himself. After that, he literally kept pouring piss all over his body, into his mouth gargling it and spitting it out, constantly demanding cigarettes. The whole time the guards just recorded him and laughed. Craziest shit I ever experienced. I wouldnโt be surprised if one of them uploaded it to YouTube.
nomadbynature120 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have about 12 hours until withdraw kicks in.
ikilledtupac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:45:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
honestly? "hey there's Spencer! I haven't seen him since high school!"
gator_feathers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Racism is real
Astonishingish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hope I roll doubles
LarrySendIt111 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isnt a dream....
bannable03 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot seriously be in jail right now for traffic violations as innocuous as rolling stop sign, 14mph over.
But I was, Illinois is a fucked up place.
Bulkens94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:03:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Please don't tell my mom, Please don't tell my mom, Please don't tell my mom, Please don't tell my mom, Please don't tell my mom"
chaotic_serentiy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"How the fuck do I get out of this place?". My girlfriend got me arrested and I was pretty chill so I got out like 3-4 hours later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is she still your gf?
chaotic_serentiy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes lol. I am thinking about dumping her though.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:12:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"yup.. you can release me. Absolutely rehabilitated. No danger to society over here, sir."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI wonder where the Warriors and Steph Curry will be in four years.โ - /u/breezyblue
axman90210 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I decided that I was going to use the time in a positive manner, so I got ahold of some paper and a pencil. When I got out, I had written a book.
damnthatssotrippy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:32:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was mainly thinking about how my dog was doing without me.
Wannabkate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As I was being arrested, I don't really remember much of anything about what I was thinking. I was still in shock and with a concussion from my abusive now ex gf assaulting me and hitting me with her car. She hit me with keyed fists and I am sure that she knocked me out at some point. I still have scars on my face from it. I was just taking the hits not even defending myself. I was seriously messed up. Especially since my head bounced hard off the hood.
Lucky for me I talk to a detective and the trumped up charges were dropped. They were trying to charge me with felony false imprisonment because we were in her car. Also I have know idea of what she told them. It has taught me to mistrust police. I only got released because I told the detective that she got out and walked around the car and started to hit me. Which was what I had stated to the black and whites. The only thing I added was after I found out what I was arrested for. That she had her cars keys at all times. That it was impossible to lock someone in the car.
I guess I was thinking That I should be at work right now. Why am I in lockup? I didn't do anything to warrant such things. She's the one that hit me with keyed fists. She's the one who hit me with her car. And how am I supposed to get out of this? Am I going to get out of this, and I passed out at some point. It's left me with some ptsd and trust issues. I am basically dead inside when it comes to dating and attraction. This was Feb 6th 2010. One would think that I would be ok by now.
Sorry it turned into a venting.
Sane7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not jail but juvie. When I was 16 I was arrested w a quarter pound of cannabis. after a few failed drug tests (stubborn kid /self medicating my bpd) i was sentenced to 6 months. I guess my social worker messed up and unbeknownst to me I was sent to a violent offenders program. The first night I was talking to one of my cell mates and he told me why he was there. He was homeless and had tried to rob a Chinese restaurant with a machete and ended up stabbing the cashier. My other cellmate had stabbed his brother and mother in a family fight. I come from a fairly stable middle class family so I was beyond freaked out. After a few days of witnessing fights and even accidentally getting caught in the middle of one and getting my ass kicked, I told the mental health professional I was scared I would hurt myself and I was sent to a psych ward. I spent two weeks there before my psych there realized I wasn't really suicidal and I was sent to another program. Another violent offenders program. It was at this program where I mistakenly stood up for what seemed to me to be the resident punching bag. So every night after that I was subject to what the kids called run piggy. A game where every night while we were allowed to brush our teeth and cells were open with minimal guards the kids would run into the resident punching bags room and beat the shit out of them. The whole while my parents had been fighting for my release. After 4 months I had a court date, the judge looked over my file and realized what had happened. The judge proceeded to berate my social worker on his mistake and I was immediately released.
literally-no-more ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the teachers and other students donโt make fun of me.
DEEEPFREEZE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not looking forward to taking a piss in the open 2 feet away from 3 other dudes.
Holy shit it's so cold. And boring.
This sandwich crunched in the middle because it's still partly frozen.
How many more hours of this? I can't believe people manage to do more than 24 hours without going insane I'm never coming back here.
Banana_4_Reference ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first day for everybody is different, I worked AP room in county for a minute so I saw all new inmates for roughly a month, 18-30 per day.
For people who have never done a bid before, most panic. It's weird...getting naked infront of strangers, but I guess start at the beginning.
Getting transported in is shit and makes you uncomfortable as fuck, either 3 things, you know how to bid and brought 10 pair of underwear, 3 white shirts, socks, and nikes that are not Jordan's, and you most likely have subs stuffed up your ass, so your seriously bummed out waiting to get into a cell or into a dorm. You've never done a bid before and you probably came in from court, lol, your all set. Or you know bidding basics and aren't in full on freak out mode but are depressed as fuck.
Most people freak out hard right now, in holding in AP. You're jammed in, your about to lose the things you own, strip down and be given tans or a jumper and be given a new life.
After that, if your not a junky you wont understand a lot of whats happening, the shitting and vomiting. Seizures and sneezing, the smell and the stealing, getting used to cops.
Mostly I thought, on my first day, scared and angry. That goes away fast.
PrettyPandaPrincess ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so, I actually went to juvenile detention multiple times as a teenager, all for dumb reasons. First, I got put on "diversion" for breaking curfew by being outside my friends house at midnight. I had just moved to that town and had never heard of such thing as a citywide curfew in my life. It was across the street from my own house, I could see my mom sitting on the porch. So, when you're on diversion as a kid, you have to maintain certain grades in school, or else you go to the juvenile detention center for the weekend. The entire weekend. I'm bad at math. Like, really bad. I had a constant F in algebra (8th grade). So...the weekend after I was put on diversion, I was taken directly from school, to the sheriff's Dept, and then they transported me to the detention center (like 2 hours away). Handcuffs and all! My parents were PISSED, they thought it was ridiculous. I was generally a good kid. I cried the entire time, pretty much. I was also on my period, at the time. I had to remove my tampon in front of several officers, get strip searched, and had to pee in front of officers. My very first thought, though? Just fear, pretty much. "What am I supposed to do? How do I fix this? How do I protect myself in here?" Worst time of my life, honestly. And that continued to happen almost every weekend of that school year.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's the strip search process like? What do they make you do step by step?
PrettyPandaPrincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:34 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly like adult jail I assume. They search your hair, ears, mouth, you have to strip completely naked, expose ALL of your body parts, squat and cough to make sure there's nothing in your vagina. Then they make you do a urine drug test, then they make you take a shower. All of this is being done in front of at least one officer, usually more.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you say "expose all of your body parts" what do you mean? Is it like OITNB?
PrettyPandaPrincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like, I had my arms covering my breasts and my vag, obviously. But they told me to move my arms so they could see every part of me. I had to turn around, hold my arms up, etc.
PrettyPandaPrincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:15 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also I'm kinda wondering why you're so curious about what getting naked in a juvenile detention center was like. I was a child.
nononoey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, Iโm never gonna get a job. Maybe a bit of, โIโm never fucking telling anyone about thisโ.
Really, it was just insanely boring and I read several terrible books and slept more than ever. I didnโt know what to expect next and no one will tell you anything. The plumbing sucked and nothing went down the toilet and stayed down. I havenโt thought about this for years now.
Moby000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:55:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was arrested, I was first brought to the jail to await trail and literally the first minute I was put into a waiting area to be processed, there were these 2 huge guys who just had a fight with each other and were separated by a metal door with a hatch on it and were still talking about wanting to fight/stab each other. I crapped my pantaloons.
Then after I got sentenced a few weeks later and was being transferred to prison, I was super nervous because of the paranoia and all the stories you hear about it but actually it was super nice. The prison was 3 years old so basically brand new. The jail I was in was at around 4-5 times capacity and there are mattresses in every single area except the kitchen. Jail was dirty and stinky but prison was clean, everyone has their own proper bed with no overcrowding so I was kind of releived.
ryanmcdouble ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:15:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIโm gonna get fucking fired.โ
ChasTheGreat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:03:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only went in for 5 days. It was a pod with 30 inmates. I learned a lot. - Cops will lie on the stand and not even blink - Prosecutors will make you sound like Charlie Manson, even if you're only up there on motor vehicle charges - Public defenders suck. NEVER get a public defender. A real lawyer will SAVE you money. - Of the 30 guys in my pod, 20 were black and all of them pretty nice guys, from what I could tell. The 5 white guys were the scary ones and I started to see how black guys might be getting the short end of the stick here. - Never cheat at cards in prison.
flegerjr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:34:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, didn't realize shrooms are a felony.
GrannnySmith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:44:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just how pathetic the majority of people that was there, and that I needed to fix myself right away because I have been better, I can be better and I will be better.
I've never heard so many people's attempts to make themselves the victim. There were a couple that owned their shit but in the wrong way. Pride in the acts they commited. Only a couple though. The majority of the rest were whining sniveling pity party having bitches. Nothing was their fault. I used my time there to figure it out. I've been sober for almost 2.5 years now.
Also the jail medical system almost killed me, that also scared the hell out of me. I'm a type 1 diabetic and they decided to halve my doses. Also their diabetic meal, was no different then a normal meal except no sugar. Trouble is carbs are the biggest thing with diabetes, you might be able to guess what the meals are mostly. And they didn't let me add those carbs from that meal to my dose. The guards would laugh and joke about my blood sugar being so high. My blood sugar was over 400 for 5 days, before I was released initially. Refusing to give me more than the halved dose their "doctor" decided for me. I don't have a case against them though according to my lawyer. Fuck the "justice" system.
They wanted me to spend a long time with them. With their medical care, I would have absolutely died. This was around the time that a young woman died in California for the same thing. Luckily, some judge created a program a few years before when he figured out that a lot of combat veterans coming home were getting into substance abuse troubles. So I had and have a lot of work to do but my future is my own.
aroused_cat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:25 on March 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, well actually. They called me at around 6 am telling me to go to the police station in my area there they questioned me and got arrested. Way later I found out that apparently I confessed to my crime on my own ( the police officer spoke basically no english). After that they transported me to the prosecutor were I gave my story and everything. Soon they took me back to the station and said goodbye to my parents as I was gonna be transported to a facility to wait for my trial since it was under investigation. The thing is that the day before I got called to the station I got piss drunk (I had no clue it was gonna happen and I was underage). After I woke up I was still drunk and I had to go through the whole thing with 10 pieces of gum in my mouth and tried to look as straight as possible. Nobody suspected anything. After I arrived to juvie and got processed and everything, at first when I was doing the processing and leaving my valuables in the storage place, I was pretty calm but as they were walking me to my block, that's when I started to realize I was gonna face the music. My first thought was literally to punch the first vicious person I see and I was getting ready to get absolutely fucking beat up, my plan was to seem like I had massive balls. Seem tough as shit. As I was going through the last block door I was greeted by the friendliest fellows hahaha. The first thing each one of them asked was what I was in for. It felt very unexpected. While I was in there never was any sort of violence or problems.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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One_And_All_1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Story?
GongTheHawkEye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So...you gonna tell us?
InquisitiveAboutYou ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in isolation throughout the whole period (2 weeks only) and was insanely high on X (there was a warant out for me and I fucked up at a party) so I wasn't bothered at all. I remember being happy and meditating. Next day I found out the t.v. in the cell is also a gamecomputer. My mission became setting high scores, which I didn't, there was some computernerd in there before me I think.
This case never went to trial luckily, lack of evidence, pfieuww.
captainkerrfluffle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:34:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shit they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time. The only question is, who's it gonna be?
Lincoln_Park_Pirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fishyyyyyyy.......fishyfishyfishy.... Fresh fish! Fresh fish! Fresh fish!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There it is.
dogfood666 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna put my partner through this. 8 years of just visits and writing painful letters where we've long run out of shit to say other then, "I miss you.". The sooner I call and end it the better it will be for both of us.
IndecentCracker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember thinking, "Where do they keep the super villains."
Right before asking, "Hey. Where do you guys keep the super villains?"
Everyone in the group got to keep seeing their way around and I was told they'd call me and I went back to my car.
So I didn't get the job, but you can't keep a good man down.
truthflies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are all of them this lazy.
Cartoon_FUN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day inside all that was going through my head was you either got to become somebody's bitch or whoop somebody's ass
CaptCaCa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit, brand new black Timberlands. Fuk!
calypso_cane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to kid jail for ten weeks and my first thought was that my life was over because of something really stupid (Truancy issues are apparently no joke). The second thought was that the other teen girls there seemed much older and bigger than me.
lolmaster371 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for having weed in a small town when i was 19. They considered me driving high even though it was just in the car. 18 hour mandatory hold before bail could be posted. First thing I thought was I didn't deserve to be there and most of the officers there acted like giant dicks to you for no reason. (The night guards were cool as fuck tho)
In case someone wants to read more I'll explain my experience. My arresting officer gave me shit the whole way there telling me I'd die if I continue to smoke. When I was waiting in the holding area to get a cell he stormed in with a bag that had baggies and needles you'd use for meth. He must not of cleaned the car before He got me. He yelled at me saying it's a felony to leave shit in the police car. I denied that it was mine and nothing ever came of it thankfully. When I got my cell my cell mate was actually a mutual friend so we got along well.
All of the inmates were very nice and said I didn't deserve to be there. All in all it after the initial getting there shock it was mostly just boring as fuck.
Northman67 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent the night in overnight lock up because I couldn't be arsed to pay my traffic tickets.
It was very self-segregating. Lots of tough gang banger dudes had taken over the front half of the cell and they all knew each other in spite of the fact that they had all com in individually. At one point an African dude asked them why they were saying the n-word so much. They punched him in his face. Then he came to the back part of the cell near the toilet where the rest of us people were hanging out waiting.
Later that night a rather large biker dude got in a fight with the deputies out in the hall and we could hear him getting slammed into the wall.
Lucky for me my father came down and paid off my tickets so I could get out that morning. Going to jail royally sucks!!!!
SarahCHack36 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to mentally adapt as soon as I was booked, mainly because I had no bond until I made my court date, which could have been up to 6 or 8 months away. I tried to familiarize myself with my surroundings, including names and faces. Most importantly, I did not become obsessed with counting my remaining days of being locked up. (So many inmates tend to do this.) If you have a care and worry free approach to your current incarceration, it helps your time go by somewhat faster.
nastymcoutplay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This finna be a breeeze
PistolMcDaniels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck you Aaron"
PHisHnGrOoViNg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much it felt like a high school reunion . All honesty I seen people I haven't seen in years , we caught up. I was only in for like 3 days but I actually had a decent time. They were smoking weed at night . This was in Philly on state road in house of corrections . Church was drug dealing central lol.
punit352 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shame and disappoint I brought upon my parents.
allenahansen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am in a Kafka novel. (Falsely accused and arrested.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily in that order.
Marakath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this place sure as hell isn't half as bad as Reddit.
Doing time in jail VS Reddit. Pick Jail, its far easier and the people are far nicer and smarter.
tacticalslacker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of similarities between first day in jail and first day at boot camp.
mjozerov ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Make friends fast.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Where are the black people.. I need protection, hopefully they can't tell I'm only trying to sound ghetto.."
alittleroy101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Repost from a previous comment of mine a year or two ago:
I was in a cell for a week in Denver City Jail. My cell mate was in for the week waiting on a pick up to take him over to ICE holding. He was older, and since he was being held and transferred over an immigration issue, he was deemed low risk. It turns out he was a famous Ethiopian torturer who had killed and maimed hundreds of prisoners. He was part of the 'Red Terror' and was not a good guy. Being in 23 hour lockdown with this guy in a cell the size of a walk in closet was interesting to say the least.
We did nothing but talk pretty much. When you're locked in a tiny cell with someone 23 hours a day, with no possessions or books, you have to spend the time chatting. He was a relatively nice roommate, seemed soft spoken, and was always thankful when I gave him some of my meals. He did remark in the beginning how much nicer American jails were than the jails back in Ethiopia. I didn't realize immediately that he was not a victim of bad prisons back home, but really was part of the problem and was an awful human being. Sleep with one eye open when you're in a locked room with a mass murderer with nothing to lose - he has a death sentence back in Ethiopia and was not looking forward to being possibly deported.
tldr: My cellmate murdered over 200 people and tortured many more.
RonaldJosephBurgundy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me I didnโt know if the jokes and stuff were true about rape and stuff so I slept with my ass firmly against the wall. Never left contact.
todang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to juvy over night when i was 17 almost 18, i must have been the oldest kid in there.
todang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, there were boogers every where in my cell and i thought that was pretty disgusting.
todang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lastly, every thing was built so that it could not be dismantled.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought โthis math stuff doesnโt make a whole lotta senseโ
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:04:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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theycallmeLeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL jail isnโt that bad if you make friends
Sup3rChr15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:43:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I can't believe I'm in here for being out past curfew"
_BigMike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
for anyone going to 'jail'. Understand this... it's the same as going to a fucking dirty bus station and waiting for 23 hours for your bus, but there are no chairs to sit on, and the toilets are open for everyone to see you. Oh, and homeless like people are all around you.
Prison, on the other hand, is like a new land with new laws. You are on the 'inside' and waiting to get 'outside'.
In both cases, its the 'big wait'.
paddirn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail 10 days for a DUI. First thought walking in was, "Holy shit, I'm going to get raped." Turned out to be a lot more boring than that. Just alot of sitting around reading, watching tv, trying to sleep, eating, and talking. I was one of 3 white guys in that group of something like a dozen guys.
I took the top bunk when I first came in and thought the dude underneath me was gonna kill me, the biggest guy in the place, because he didn't want anyone sleeping above him. He obviously didn't, and he was a funny guy, though he did choke a Mexican guy out for some small perceived slight against him.
There was also a guy who was in there with us that I saw later on some years later at Cheesecake Factory as a waiter, though he pretended he didn't know me (or had just completely forgotten a random guy he barely knew for 10 days in jail.
I remember one guy was trying to make his own hooch or whatever in there. He basically had a bottle or plastic bag filled with fermenting fruit and he would sprinkle in bread crumbs. Apparently it was the shit when you haven't had any real alcohol in awhile.
I started off on the top bunk and it fucking sucked. They had the lights on 24/7 and I could never sleep. Eventually, as people moved on, I was able to get a bottom bunk and away from the bright lights. Underneath the bottom of the top bunk was covered in porn image cutouts, every single inch. It was one of the only rays of sunshine in that shitty place.
AndreOfAstoria ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:04:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not jail but psych ward, tried to kill myself, parents and cops held me back. Was drunk enough to choose the psych ward over going home with my parents. I remember talking to a doc about why I wanted to jump (off a bridge that is.) Stuck inside a room until I blew a .00. I thought about how big of a mistake I made, hiding the secret of wanting to end it all, truly being depressed, and how the my other half would take it. Finally got out late afternoon next day, talked to some people, met some people worse off than me, made me feel better for a bit but still in that hole I've been digging for years now.
manofnorms ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I arrived on a bus with 50 other offenders. Obviously when you get there they strip you, and they crammed us all into a small cage where we stood naked waiting in line for a pair of boxers. The intake process took about 6 hours and I remember it being like 50 degrees in there. Then they shave your head and shower you, and you get your number. My mind was pretty much stuck on when I was going to make parole. It makes your time really drag by if youโre thinking of home, but itโs really hard not to.
krispykremey55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At the time I went, cell phones where pretty much everyone's main phone, but the phone system in the jail didn't allow you to call cell phones.... Communicating with the outside world was very difficult... Trying to keep your life from going down the drain, while dealing with severe communication issues was basically a nightmare
HipsterTrudy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first chapter of the Gulag Archipelago is an incredible telling of what it feels like to be arrested. Could not recommend enough
2muchflak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm dead. I resigned myself to that fact.
I was in Maplehurst in Milton, Ontario, Canada.
It turned out to be easy time. Had a good range.
Bong_McPuffin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:08:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Aw fuck, theres ants all over my cell and the toilet is clogged... this is going to fuckin suck". And it did.
take2skize ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:38:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR at the bottom.
I was only in jail for 1 day & that is all the jail I need to experience in my life lol. As much as it sucked, it was also an experience that changed me & gave me a whole new appreciation for my freedom.
I am a graffiti writer & have been for most of my life. I never got in trouble. Mostly hit up secluded & abandoned spots, never public active areas, just not my thing. I paint for the pure love of graffiti & not for exposure. Well one day I finally got busted. Realizing that I was in handcuffs & that I was in a cop car headed to jail is a feeling Iโll never forget. I was panicking. I wasnโt too scared of getting caught & going to jail over that, but my phone had been taken away by one of the cops & it was filled with hundreds of photos of pieces I had done all over San Diego over a couple of years. Not knowing what they would do with my phone or if they would add more charges & potentially fuck me big time was why I panicked. I figured I would cooperate as much as I could without ratting anyone out. Had to talk with a super hot gangs detective lady before I was booked into jail so that was a plus lol. Booking process felt like hours. First jail cell was a complete shock. A mixture of random people, homeless dudes mostly, a couple of DUIs, a male prostitute, another homeless dude passed out on the floor & pissing on himself. & a skinhead i clearly remember. We were moved from jail cell to jail cell about 10 different times over the course of about 7 hours & that was absolute hell. Had to get naked in front of about 15 men & spread my ass while a cop flashed a light at it so that really sucked lol. I got booked around 5pm & I didnโt find out what time it was again until about 11pm then finally around 2am it was the last time I was moved to the final cell where I stayed until 10am. No damn clocks anywhere. Only one tiny fucking window where would see a guard pass by once like every 2 hours. Cells were super bright so it was really hard to go to sleep. I didnโt use the toilet even though I really needed to, I just held it. Never saw toilet paper at all either lol. Saw 2 fights go down. One involving the skinhead who kept yelling to the guards that he wanted a cell without black dudes. Same skinhead dude fell asleep under a bench & woke up abruptly, smashed his head on the bottom of the bench & broke his nose, bled all over the floor it was a crazy scene to watch go down while the guards took him out & we were moved again since it was a hazard not knowing if he had any disease. Using the phone to make a phone call when you have never been to jail can be super confusing. Took me about 2 hours of trying to finally figure out how to contact my parents. I was supposed to get bailed out but for some reason it took almost a day. From the moment I got arrested until the moment I stepped out of jail it was 23 hours. It was definitely an experience. But what I remember the most was how much it fucking sucked to not know what time it was & how much time had passed. Those 23 hours felt like an eternity to me. Not knowing what is going on outside. โWhy I canโt contact my family or my girlfriend? Why I havenโt gotten bailed out. Maybe Iโm not getting out since they have my phone & are pinning more evidence on me?โ The boredom was terrifying. You are alone with your thoughts & that makes time slow down even more. Eventually when I was finally out & i realized it had literally been just 1 damn day I could not even imagine what itโs like to live like that on a daily basis. Donโt ever want to back to jail lol.
TL;DR. Got busted for graffiti & spent a day in jail. TIME. Time & boredom is all I could think of while in jail. Your mind can easily get lost when you donโt know what time it is or what the heck is going on outside.
bubblesculptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:52 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting lots of people saying the lack of clocks really bothered them. Not like you can schedule your day out for places to go, etc.
So do you still paint graffiti?
aggiegwyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:33:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It smells terrible.
I remember seeing two women on the floor of the jail cell. They were so pale, and sweating but shivering. I had never seen withdrawal before, I thought about how they looked like they should be in a hospital, not here.
After being locked in I realized they forgot to give me my phone code and take my medical info. Without my meds I shortly became suicidal and essentially shut down for the night. Without my phone code I couldn't call my family for support.
TruTechilo512 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:38:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A whole bunch of disbelief. I was there at 17, for slapping my 15 year old brother, who was punching and kicking me, being charged as an adult with abuse of a minor. This was after being heavily abused for the first 12 years of my life. A whole damn lot of disbelief.
Elfonzo420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:44:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail here, I remember my first thought being " this isn't as bad as everyone makes it sound"
Caitini ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This thread scares me. I think I have a bench warrant out for my arrest and Iโve never broken the law before. :(
svnbizzle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:52 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got out of the back of an unmarked Chevy in the parking lot of the correctional facility. It was bright as all can be as it was summer and the end of June. It was hot and all I remember was so much white noise. I walked in and saw uniformed cops, everywhere, and people being led from one bay to another. This was classification/processing/intake. It was miserable. All I wanted to do is sleep. After intake I got moved to a different wing in the jail where they house those that are addicts and coming off the streets blasted. That was me. I got moved into a their, assigned a cell number, and that number would be what I call home for the next couple days. Everything gets stripped when you go in. You are not allowed to have anything personal. Privacy is a comical joke. As for what went through my head? It was like "this is happening this is jail this is happening this is jail fuck how did I wind up here this is real " ..
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It felt so much like jail. More jail-like than being crammed in the backseat on an 8 hour car trip. For example, I was fucking cold. But you gotta wear what they give you and you aren't allowed to lie under your blanket in unless it's night. You mainly sit there and think. The bookshelf had maybe 50 books. Sometimes I'd talk to my cellmate but most of the time we wouldn't. We got along fine, it's just that even talking to one person is boring.
And the guys next to us talked all the time, laughing and shouting, fuck they were annoying but they were scary dudes.
And the light was on all the time, just slightly dimmer at night. I couldn't believe they were just going to leave us in a cell for 18 or 20 hours. They could just as easily let us hang out in the pod, it wouldn't make any difference to them, it wouldn't cost them anything- that was my thinking at least.
I got in trouble for doing pullups off the stairs my first full day. I didn't understand, I was like "I'm not hurting anything. What's the problem? There's literally no reason I can't do pullups" but if you got to do what you wanted, it wouldn't be jail.
I had a hard time reconciling "I'm not hurting anybody why can't you leave me be" with "this is jail. Half the point is keeping you from doing what you want"
Bagelbytez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Attempted Murder at age 13, served 17 months on a 2 yr sentence.First night I thought, "I wonder how far away I am from my house", because I didnt understand for a very long time that I wasnt getting out.
braapstututu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What happend?
Bagelbytez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything sort of piled up all at once. My older brother had been locked up for a couple of months which really broke my spirit. My power had been out for two weeks. We had no food. My foster parents had kicked me out so I had to stay with my biological mom. My mom wouldn't get out of bed or go to work. My older sister had been put in a foster home. I had spent most of the day either shoplifting for food or breaking into cars or huffing glue in my room. I didn't have any friends. One day my older brother's friends came over and picked me up to get high. They convinced me this kid down the street was talking shit about my brother and that I should attack him. I was very impressionable and very angry at the world. It really didn't take much convincing to get me to agree. They arranged everything and drove me to go attack him. I beat him with a pipe in front of a neighbor. I hit him maybe 40-50 times. I slept in the woods for ten days before being caught. Eventually the same people that convinced me to attack him turned me in once the detectives started coming to their house. They told them where I was staying in the woods and where I would go during the day and they easily caught me. I was very selfish, very young and very stupid.
RandyFord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should've used [Serious]
nyyyk ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:43:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested back in '08, when protesting at the Republican National Convention (this was during the bush/Cheney administration, lots to protest about) Protest got a little wild, and riots started to break out. It turned into something from a movie, riot police started surrounding us, shooting tear gas and rubber bullets. Riot police are THE worst police, they can do almost anything and get away with it. I saw a girl trying to surrender, dropped to her knees and put her hands behind her head in front of 10 cops, lined up. One of the officers sprayed her with mace, while the other cops just laughed. Eventually we were cornered, and gave up. Police kicked and punched us while we were laying on the ground. Eventually got put into the bus, and hauled to county jail. So by the time i was put in the processing cells, we all had a lot of interesting stores of where we were during the crackdown. Met some cool people. I ended up getting put into solitary confinement (it was a large protest, so the jail was full). Then the experience went down hill form there. Being locked in solitary confinement for 72 hours does something to you. I cant imagine the people who spend years in there. So my first 24 hours went from a peaceful protest, to riots, to beatings, to story time, and finally my mind driving myself crazy.
pina_koala ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:59:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ho-lee shit, I didn't make it to that protest but yeah NYC riot police don't fuck around. Was at a WTO protest in January 2002, so obviously the whole city is on edge, and the riot cops just rushed everyone without warning.
upper_monkey_horny ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:57:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck America?
eazolan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:40:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't call in the "Riot Police" because people are peacefully demonstrating.
There's a riot going on. Things are being destroyed. If something isn't on fire, chances are high that there soon will be.
People who live and work in that neighborhood want the government to go in and assert control.
midwestisbestwest ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in Ramsey County jail over a weekend in 2014 and there was still RNC graffiti on the cell walls.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:34:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Otherwiseclueless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because people often plan to attend those.
shaokim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"WHAT!?"
T-Torx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I need to beat up the biggest guy here, or suck his dick. what's it going to be?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As who did you end up?
Estephan_Ting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I hope there's body wash"
Inlovewithanr6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent the better part of a day in jail at West Valley detention center in Rancho Cucamonga, CA.
Definitely not the same as gp at the jail or even prison. But what was going through my head was how dumb I was to be in that position.
The food is not as bad as I thought it would be, and it's pretty constant. I got something probably every 4-6 hours it felt like. It was probably about 10 in the morning, and most of the cell was asleep (common theme.) We had gotten some nonfat milk earlier, and I had opened the carton and drank some and left it open on my rack. I fell asleep as well, and then I rolled over and spilled the milk. Being on the top rack, the milk got all over the person underneath me. He jumped up and starting cursing me out and threatening me. Went from asleep to coursing adrenaline almost instantly. Realized I didn't ever need to have that lesson again.
theswindler666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quiet reflection on life decisions.
TheRealOG1777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"When's lunch?"
LayDoubt221 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Joaquin: We gotta roll, Mayo. Darnell: Who's Mayo? James: It's my gang name. It's short for Mayonnaise.
xParaDoXie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lawyer fucked me.
snowavess ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that bad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went just for a couple days. Drinking a beer in a park at age 19 with a friend. Everyone was pretty cool because we were just some dumb kids who didn't even do anything wrong. My main thought was that I was angry we didn't finish the second case of beer, because I was still pretty sober and had to sit there for hours. They spared us the drunk tank though so that was good. The cops rolled up just as we had ripped the top off the case and poured ice in. So the jailers made a show of passing the beers out around themselves and loudly commenting how nice we were to bring them beer and that they were even cold. When the lady cop woke me up to let me out two days later I rolled over and went back to sleep. I got 24 AA classes, which I stopped going to after the first two or three because I realized there was no way for the court to actually verify you went to them.
thelordcaptain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They verify anger management attendance.
AA fails again!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least for me I got a sheet of paper that needed 24 signatures. You go and at the end somebody signs your paper. The first couple times the guy leading the meeting did it. But the third time the guy leading the meeting was like, "Hey Bob sign this kid's paper for me will ya? I'm busy". And Bob was like just some alcoholic, dude wasn't even a sponsor or anything. So that's when I realized any asshole could sign it and I went around my friends having different people sign fake names.
It was weird because there was a decent sized group of us that were younger and there on a court order. I was self-aware enough at that age to know I wasn't an alcoholic and also that AA is kind of a wierdo religious cult in some ways. But some of the kids I was there with decided they were alcoholics, and like they weren't, I knew them from school and stuff. They were just pretending to be alcoholics to fit in and cause you got some sort of group props for "admitting" it. Really strange.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A poorly made shank that was kiestered.
rushmid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I had to fight someone, You actually dont Have to fight anyone. Just keep to yourself.
Glad I didnt make that mistake.
souzapj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"glad im only here til i have a friend sober enough to come get me"
-all underage college students
BlackZealot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail.
So many god damn tweakers.
It smells like asshole, but not like bad asshole. More like recently cleaned asshole.
Everybody wants to seem tough to the new guys but once they realize you're not a psycho they're pretty chill.
Toilet wine to take off the edge.
Having to get used to the fact that you shower and shit in front of 80 other guys in the same block.
Having to sleep in the "dayroom" because of overcrowding. (The room where people shower, groom, and watch Spanish TV.
docturmishii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my old friends went to jail right after they got done with groceries and she kept groaning about how much of a waste of food and money that was.
morgan423 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's weird. If you've been convicted, they give you a date and time to report to prison. It's not like it's a random surprise.
Unless this was being arrested at a random time and jailed awaiting trial or bail release. Then it would make a little more sense.
docturmishii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not weird at all. She was caught with drugs in the car and was slightly intoxicated.No one paid her bail and that was the only thing on her mind at the moment I guess.
10lbs_of_foreskin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You realize you dont immediately go to court when arrested right?
ElectricMag314 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember thinking. "Nice. Just like the guys in That 70s Show'. I thought it was kinda funny.
Admittedly, it was only the night and I was under 17. So my slate'd be clean in a year anyway.
cunnilingonberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea there were that many ways to use the word "cunt".
Makovar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck"
Scramble187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not like in cartoons
a_flat_miner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this place smells awful
boogie414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit.
tbone912 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"If the world ends, I'm going to die in this cage"
OneForMany ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who is the biggest guy here so i can either suck his dick or fuck him up!
Foo3112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought "get me the fuck out please"
There was a bunk bed one I entered the cell. One guy was sleeping on top and the other on a styrofoam mat on he floor. I took the bottom bunk. I'm trying to fall asleep and the guy on the floor starts snoring. The guy on the top bunk yells at me to stop snoring. I tell him it's not me. Then the guy on the floor wakes up for a moment but then begins snoring again. I prayed the situation wouldn't escalate. Fortunately I was bailed out within an hour or two.
junkmasterjunky420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember thinking how inhumane everything felt. Shitting in front of a group of your cell mates with one square of tp...wtf. After the first few hours you become an animal. They take away anything that makes you human. Anybody who has been in the system can tell you, changing for the better is the most difficult thing to do in jail/prison, as 90% of the people there donโt want to change.
1justmadethatup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First thing that went through my head was, I wonder how long i can sleep.
gamefreac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly thoughts of how to kill myself.
PlayaHatinIG-88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it HAVE to be the biggest dude on the cell block or can I fight the 3 smallest guys to establish cell block dominance?
dcarmichael71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was only for two days, but even then, I'll never forget the sound of the lock on the door closing for the first time. I think someone else also mentioned the terror that comes with the realization that you can't go anywhere even if you wanted to. I remember thinking that and then having a very strong, sudden urge to vomit.
striped_frog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first, I decided that if I just remained calm and played it cool, I would probably be fine.
Later, after that first idea turned out to be mostly correct, my primary concern shifted to how mind-numbingly bored I was.
Persistent, mid-level anxiety and abject boredom is a weird combination of mental states to have at the same time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of dicks
BuddyPeanuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent 3 days in a county lock up in college.
First thought: โwhat stinks?โ Second thought: โAm I supposed to be in the black pod, as a white college punk?โ
samcbar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Drunk tank but:
"Where the fuck am i? Why is this door locked?"
ultranothing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exit only. Exit only. Exit only.
Clacken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first day the first time wasn't so bad, I knew I had family coming to get me out so it wasn't a big deal. Same with the second time. The first day the third time was miserable, I had no one coming and no chance to leave without paying my dues. Most of the first day was in a holding cell with 12 or 15 other idiots who have done mostly worse things than myself. But a lot of us were there for a small amount of weed. Anyway it sucked. I got over it pretty quickly and got into the swing of things, because if you don't, it really starts to get bad for you.
Edit: my jail saying was always "First your money, then your clothes. That's just the way it goes."
dildodicks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fought the law, and the law won
beastman26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When they brought me in, I was blacked out but the officers told me I urinated on the chair in the holding cell. When I woke the next morning I was terrified, which become even worse when I saw the front page of the newspaper and recognized the murderers face on it. I was sharing a table with him for breakfast.
bunchkles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Nope. Not gonna shower for two days."
XypheXephyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah fuck. Now im gonna be broke AND a homeless drug addict(i was before, am not now)
419lol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was just one night in the drunk tank because I was in a friendโa car who I didnโt know had been drinking. He got a DUI and I got drunk in public. This was just this last weekend, so I donโt know how itโs going to affect me in the future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of shithole do you live in where you actually get arrested for being drunk in public?
419lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He pulled off the highway to check out a noise his Jeep was making, and next thing we know there's blue lights behind us. They pull both of out of the car because they could smell alcohol, and proceeded to field sobriety test him and question me. I told the officer repeatedly that I didn't know if he had been drinking, at which point he cuffed me and booked me up.
bone420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's cold
FilthyBoobs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โDonโt cry, donโt you dare fucking cryโ
rudygj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โFUCK!!!โ
xDocHoliday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to prison for a year. My first thoughts were โWhere the fuck is the ac, itโs like 97 outside in Texasโ
crash1082 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they have GoT on the bookshelf.
Houjix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you switch political parties after spending all that time there and reflecting?
twodogsfighting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't care for a good day to frown hard.
thewafflestompa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I was so worried I didnโt have my phone. I was coming off of heroin and kept accusing people of taking it, feeling it vibrate in an imaginary pocket, etc. been clean since so I guess I was reformed.
sapper512 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Surely I've been in here a couple days already" Nope, only 6 hours. "It's probably Monday now, so the judges will be here" Nope, still Saturday. "Ok, it's definitely been a couple days now." 12:05 am, so technically Sunday. "Oh, that's why they call it doing time"
pmMEyourBuns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's just 2 days. The day you get in and the day you get out.
vandownbytheriver12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm gonna be living in a van down by the river when I get out
Kidd5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I need to reevaluate my life choices.
And I did.
lsherida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This is all just a huge misunderstanding and I'm sure the completely fair and well-managed criminal justice system will figure that out any moment now and correct this gross miscarriage of justice."
Guess how it *actually* turned out...? Nineteen-year-old me was pretty naive.
sauravb610 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck the police" wouldn't stop playing in my head
punchy-peaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wish I could upvote this one million
12LetterName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Vallejo California 1988.
I'm the only white guy in here.
NayMarine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
welp i guess i better start working out.
trollking66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
real answer here- 47 now. Locked at 18, you sit in jail for quite awhile waiting even after receiving a sentence. By the time you go you are ready to GTFO of county jail. Prison reception was (and on some levels still is) the most fearful day of my fucking life. From the moment you arrive and are in no short terms informed you can be killed by guard or inmate at any fucking time. I could go on but suffice it to say it was rough, a cross between boot camp and jailhouse. After 30 days at a reception center you get bussed to a permanent prison. This is where you serve your term, I got lucky and went to the youth offender prison. I was young and going to fast, that shit gave me a breather to think about the fuck I was going to do with my life. I walked away having gave up near on a year of my life. I walked out with 92$ and the clothes on my back.....I flopped around for about 2 weeks after I got out, got my shit together. It took years to recover the lost ground. But in the end it actually helped me I guess, in retrospect. It is a mark on your life though, and while with time and effort you can largely erase it from your past, on some level it will always be there.
mostlyslylent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This job isn't half bad."
WallyTheWelder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Noticed for the first time just how racist the system is. Your last name determined how an officer treated you long before they ever saw you. The skinheads got better treatment than minorities and I couldn't realize why til someone pointed out that it was cus they were white. Thankfully that visit was enough to set me straight.
sylvielining ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โfuck, there goes my life. My bed. My family is done with me probably. I have no idea if my dogs are okay. I want to dieโ then 18+ hours of sleep
TimboCalrissian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Woke up in a holding cell after a night of drunken stupidity.
First day was mostly, "when the fuck can I get out of here?" and playing spades with some of the other guys. Wondering how bad I fucked my life up.
The answer was pretty bad. I got felony charges that stuck for 6 years before I could get them expunged. Getting a job as a felon is pretty fucking difficult.
KickerS12X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't real until the bus pulled into the main gate of the prison and I was surrounded by numerous razor wire and electric fences. When the gate slammed shut behind us I thought, 'fuck! shit just got real!'
The first 'dorm' you go to is a classification and intake dorm and everyone there is trying to prove they aren't soft and it was wild as fuck. This was a medium/max security prison and a lot of the guys there had nothing to lose. I saw my first fight within 2 hours of being there, and it was not a one on one. It is honestly overwhelming and the paranoia is insane. It took me nearly a month to settle down a little bit.
wakeupalice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised there isn't more sexual assault, or at least attempts.
FuckTruckTalk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha Iโm fr in jail right now
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap what a huge hassle, how do I not end up here EVER again?
QuesaritoOutOfBed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnโt me but a friend. Heโs white, 6โ6โ, broad shouldered. He said that he was more terrified of what his mother would do when he was going to get out than the guys inside. However the most confusing part for him was that the white guys wouldnโt make eye contact with him but the black guys were nice as hell. He never found out why, or at least admitted to knowing the reason.
treblen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Find friends fast. Link up with your bunkie; gota stick together.
Fakacal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
was overcoming the ecstasy crash. i felt exuberant and amazing. nothing could faze me. 3 hours later.. was like "wtf happened." welp, play those games, when those prizes
MintyMan2018 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was worried the whole way there in the back of the van, thinking I was going to have to fight upon arrival, worried about my mum crying as I was taken out the docks, worried that my girlfriend would leave me.
Luckily the first face I saw was a old friend of mine from back home ( I had a few in there at the time). Unfortunately the last time I saw him was in jail next I heard he died of an overdose on his doorstep one week after release.
bigb0592 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't drop the soap
usethisdamnit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiietttttttttttttttttttttt!
combuchan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was still on vacation the first day, so I didn't actually mind it. It was all a completely new experience for me and I was in a pretty good mood.
The hopelessness and worry sunk in the morning of the next day. For some reason the previous night we had some limited reign to walk around the jail complex, but I tried to open the door of the group quarters the morning of the next day and it was locked. I wasn't in my home state and I had no idea what I was up against (hauling ass, pot possession, paraphernalia).
That feeling didn't last long. Maybe because I was exceedingly nice and cooperative with everyone from the arresting officer on, I was the first to see the judge and released on bail--seems rural counties just want their money, and I had $300 in cash on me of $1500 or so in fines. In fact because I didn't lie when the cop asked me if I had pot (he said he smelled it on me, turns out he says that to everyone) he didn't even charge me with a drug DUI which would have completely fucked me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These apples are delicious
OmgOgan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't rape me, please don't rape me.
D4M4G3ink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wondering whatโs for lunch?!
thejaytheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a picky eater, the food was atrocious. Also boredom. No entertainment except scheduled TV time. Also the worst is the toilet being there with your mate, gotta take care of your business in front of them.
TheMartinG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a few days in jail.
for clarification, jail is where you go when you're waiting for your court date. prison is where you usually go once you're convicted and sentenced to a stretch of time.
my first day I thought I was going to see fights and other bad shit
we literally sat around the TV watching Erin Brokovich
IchTuDirWeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow, people here are a lot nicer than I was expecting."
Although I went to jail lite. It wasn't County prison, we had pods and were only locked down at night. 2 to a pod in a bunk bed. The worst part was the food, showering and trying to brush your teeth. And obvious boredom. But you can basically sleep all day long if you choose too.
flowerchild098 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts were wondering how I was going to use the bathroom in front of 2 strangers and am I supposed to just poop in front of people? It was strange. But thankfully only had to do 15 days
dbatchison ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"god it's cold and quiet in here"
I got booked for a DUI and possesion right before Christmas. I swear the jail was kept at like 50. I was the only person in the jail that night too, so it was really quiet.
pooloop88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
o no im in jail
SamuraiMetroBoomin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I hope I Looked Tough in my mugshot
Drisby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIm going to have a hellacious hangover when I wake up.โ
BasicSpidertron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't have stolen that balloon...
Libbythename ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWill this native girlโs sugar daddy bail me out too???โ
Gaia227 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested on a Friday, couldn't make bail so had to sit until Monday to see the judge. One of My first thoughts after meeting my cell mate was "holy shit, I have to deal with this crazy bitch all weekend'. That would be one of the hardest things for me, having to share this tiny space with someone. You better hope like hell you get along. This woman was soooooo annoying. She was your typical trashy meth head type; no teeth, loud, ignorant.....I felt like I was talking to a 10 yr old, not a 40 some year old. All she did was talk about herself, her trashy boyfriend, her kids who she lost custody of because A. she's a meth head and B. her BF is a registered sex offender (but he didn't 'do nothing bad!'). At some point she somehow convinced herself, with no input from me, that when I got out on Monday I was going to come back and pay her bail then she would pay me back (haha yeah right).
Those were two days of hell. If I had been alone I would've been okay. I knew I was getting out and that I just had to wait it out but she made it freaking miserable. She never shut up. Ever.
FuckTheLeftistIdiots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who went to prison for identity theft/credit card fraud.When he got out after 3 years, he was actually very pleased and thankful, becouse before getting cought he hid his money by buing bitcoin. Guess what happened to bitcoin in 3 years?
kayweg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, look at all these fucking criminals. Oh wait.
Suhn-Sol-Jashin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was super worried about losing my job.
Luckily my uncle called in for me and told them I had a family emergency and left my phone at home.
ahaunter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wondered why breakfast was at 3am, lunch at 9am, and dinner again at 3pm...
wutake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Day 1 " I can't wait for my lawyer to get me out"
Day 3xx "what? I can go?"
darkknightxda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Calling my parents from the holding cell for bail money is and will always be the hardest and worst phone call I will ever make
gillzj00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This isn't so bad". I've been to jail a couple times in college for alcohol and drug related offenses. The longest I spent in there was 4 days, I think. Jail is just really boring. Patrick Swayze died while I was in jail so I like to tell people that whenever Patrick Swayze gets brought up. I don't mind laughing about it now because I am doing well in my career and haven't been arrested in almost 10 years (knock on wood.)
Lockheed_Martini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boring as hell. All these books suck. The cell mates are retarded. Food is shit. Ill just not go poop for the 2 days im here. I was bigger than pretty much everyone since it was almost 100% scrawny heroin junkies there so really was just bored out my mind more than anything. I kept thinking how lucky i am to be able to leave in 48 hours compared to others in there for a month+ the scariest part was going through the initial process of being put in jail (mug shots, being spoken to by the faculty, putting on the prison clothing and all that.
Interceox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis isnโt so bad.โ It really wasnโt. The inmates were nice, but the guards were constantly in small-penis mode.
BuRP77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A shank, missed my brain though. I think
kittysarethebest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm never going to see my dog again"
CroatianBison ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"How the fuck did I let myself end up in this situation" was more or less it. I'm not a threatening looking dude so I wasn't too worried about people trying to fight me. That having been said, my cellmate in the intake block (before you've been fully classified into minimum/medium/max security) was in town for a court case and was 7 years into a 25 year sentence for murder.
88isafat69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got put in a drunk tank the same night I got a third degree burn on my hand at work
Just thought it was really fucking boring and thereโs no clock .... also had all my focus on my big ass blister making it worse
BowtieJack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Little late, but did a stint in January. I was mainly thinking how to make friends so I wasn't a loner and stood out. Also how the fuck am I going to go through the rest of my time without losing my mind. I made it. First day out was like being high as fuck on life.
terryw666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"i dont want to have sex with a man"
BoostedBear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well my thoughts all went to shit when the inmates decided to play a prank on me and tell me I was in the pedophile cells. They asked me how old was the little girl I raped and proceeded to keep asking over and over as I nearly shit my pants. Jail was a fun time. I was only 19 so they took a chance to play a prank. I will never forget the fear and terror that ran through me.
PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much I missed home, and of course wondering about whether I would be attacked or raped.
I didn't have my first fight for a few weeks.
The thing that stood out the most of my first day was the night. My celly either thought I was well asleep or didn't care and masturbated. For some reason that was the most psychologically damaging part, it just made it all very real. I was now in a world where I didn't matter to anyone, at any time. That really made it all hit home.
whats_this_switch_do ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I advise everyone in this thread to go lookup After Prison Show on YouTube. The host is a guy who's been locked up for 10 years off and on and tells some hilarious and sobering stories about his times in jail/prison. He's very charismatic and while not all of his stuff is great, he sends home a pretty clear message... You do not want to spend time behind bars.
GreasyPepperoniTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You find that guy charismatic? Really? I respectfully disagree with you.
whats_this_switch_do ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
dreweatall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went for one day and all I could think about was the boredom and why prison violence happens. There's NOTHING to do!
Kgb725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking i was gonna be gone for like 10 years because I stole cars and guns so I had both federal and state charges but I only did 6 months and got probation for a few years because I was young , had no record , and had a great support group around me. I didn't hate my time in jail oddly enough
Its_Crimmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone pretty much nailed it from my experience, but the giant takeaway was telling myself "I will never be in this situation again" & sticking to it.
edit: grammars
bfm-123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โDo they really expect me to take a shit in front of everybody?โ
assumenothing51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did 30 days in Idaho, and it wasn't as horrible as I thought it would be.
Akuzed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit. I shouldn't even be here.
tempezst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Holy fuck this is boring"
Jail sucks for sure but the food and shitty bed and all of that I got used too but I never got over the boredom. You are given almost nothing to do and just have to sit in a room alllllll day every day. The opportunity to mop the floors even got exciting eventually.
genericname1111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"fuck".
ixlHD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a holding cell for a while before being questions.
My first thought was "where do i shit"
jaygreen88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't fucking do it.
JimE4real ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to god I can shit in front of people without feeling weird.....lol
jamisteven9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Felt: Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
kdryan1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent a week in jail for 'Felony wanton endangerment.' I was locked up with a seven other people. They were an assortment of meth addicts Petty criminals and wife beaters. I learned more about myself in a week from those people than I have in my whole life. I wish I could see some of them again.
ethanwa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First thought honestly: โI wonder how long I am going to be here?โ and โthis sucksโ
Went to Federal prison for a year for Wire Fraud felony.
Swiftster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha in the US AF it was always reading the damn study guide
ReverseCargoCult ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Juggalos can't really be a thing, right?"
(Didn't know ICP was still relevant in 2011)
burlinbert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry mom : (
chuckinaround ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How much drinking has fucked up my life over the previous eight years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โHoly shit this is actually happening.โ
Incredibly panicked, scared, and uncomfortable. First week was one of the worst weeks of my entire life. Under 24/7 surveillance locked in a small room just large enough to fit a 3โ wide bed and a toilet and sink. Guards came to check on me every 10min and watched the camera in my room. Essentially no human interaction for a week and I was only allowed to leave my cell for 3 minutes to shower.
After that first week I was put in group holding and everything got better. Met some cool people and got to talk and joke around. Made the time go by faster than staring at a wall all day because thatโs all there was to do in the first cell I was in. You werenโt allowed to sleep during the day and if you get caught the guards would start screaming at you.
TurncoatTony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, on the first day on the first time... I went to sleep. I was bored.
Every time I've been to jail after that, when I can get out of gen pop and get a cell already.
That or I hope we're not watching judge judy or cops... For some reason, they love watching court shows and cop shows.
StillAFelon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
20y/o female here. I was convicted of two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one count of aggravated robbery. Spent a year in the county jail and was released on 3 years of probation. I originally had 15 charges, 12 of which were felonies.
I started in juvie when i was 17. I was immediately placed on suicide watch for the first 4 days. I cried and slept mostly. Things werent bad there, they had an xbox 360. I was in juvie for six weeks until I turned 18. They then walked me over to the adult side of the jail. Theres no xbox in big kid jail. I was scared shitless, to say the least. My first night all I did was cry.
At first it was all really surreal. I mostly had two thoughts: "This isn't happening to me" and "I'm going to prison" as time went on, it just kind of all blended together, but those two thoughts were pretty constant for the whole year. But the first night was the worst.
CriticoolHit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a plan for the day they try to arrest me... Always in place. Always ready. Your life is already over anyways. Doesn't matter if you stole a candy bar or killed someones grandma on Christmas morning.
Never go down without a fight.
Nickcrizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"how am I going to prove I won't be taken advantage of". Not talking about rape or anything like that. But people will try to hustle, scam, and walk all over you if you show weakness
ryanbrownstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I want my mommy"
I was 20 years old and I cried.
FatMan832 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CA
DrewKizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was, "My life is completely ruined and I have no idea how long I will be locked in here with these thugs." It turned out to only be 24 hours and I didn't talk to anyone besides the two junkies I knew from my area.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I should kill myself. It wouldn't be too hard.
1in5million ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Female prisoner here.
Utter fear. Being stripped naked and asked to cough in county was not nearly as degrading as doing it with the rest of the bus you get transported with. Not to mention it is rarely one on one with a guard that first day. It is 20-50 prisoners to a couple of guards, so it really hits you to know that you are now a number, a feeling that makes you feel sub-human. Being singled out (say for a mistake, not standing in a perfect line) is terrifying because there is no more "hey 1in5million, goodjob/badjob" its "Hey 14334 this is the only time I will correct you, next time you will just get shown what happens when you disobey."
After your group shower/de-lice/get-your-shit-and-get-to-your-area, you are expected to know where to go and what to do without being told, but knowing that if you screw it up, it's solitary for you.
After that comes the general dealings with inmates, learning the ropes and customs of your cellmates. Prison etiquette is quite strict, I mean if you fart, everyone smells it. If you act out, everyone will know and use it when you least expect it.
That first night is the pits. It really sinks in that this is your life now and no matter what happens it will stay within the fence. Whether you make it an easy or hard stay is up to you.
aaaak4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello darkness my old friend
Don_Dickle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day I thought about beating the shit out of a guard and did. They told me to take off my necklace which my dad gave me on his death bed. I mean its so small it would cause no problems. Then when I was escorted lock and chain and let go just announced where my bed was I got some respect. Not much but it was kind of bullshitting the whole night through.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youll be back
JarlPaul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldnt have dabbed THAT deep and low...
Prixm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt even go to jail. I just got a fine on 1000 dollars and registered as a violence offender or what is called, English is not my first language. For hitting a guy once in the face because he fucked my best friends girlfriend and hit my best friend in the chest. Now my whole future is destroyed. I am a nurse by education, no one will hire me for atleast 4 more years (total of 5) until it goes away from my crime register. For one punch that he so deserved. I learned one thing, I will let my friends get hit and I will do absolutely nothing.
joedaddy707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did a year in jail. I was sentenced on 4/1/2003. When they took me down to the holding cell before booking me in to the jail, all I could think of is the judge is going to open the door any minute now tell me April Fools, LOL. After the first couple hours my thought process is more long lines of trying to figure out what I can do to make my stay as easy as possible. Luckily jail is a lot different in prison.
rebelrob0t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a year in county jail for growing weed when i was 20. Turned 21 in jail. The first day i was trying to prepare myself mentally to put on a tough guy act. Figured there was going to be a lot of people trying to fuck with me or start shit to show how badass they are. Turns out it was just 90% people who got caught with drugs, dui, or didnt pay child support. There were a handfull of violent offenders, domestic abuse ect but most of them got kept in a "hightened security" area. Overall i just played poker and monopoly and watched tv. No one ever fucked w me or tried to start any shit Mostly just a lot of people like myself, normal people who got caught in a non violent offense or made a mistake. My mentality quickly changed to thinking aboit how far behind i was gunna fall by the time i got out. Im sure prison is a very different experience but luckily in our state they keep you in county jail unless yoir sentence is over a year.
ButtTussler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been 25 years since I went in, so can't remember my first thoughts. I went through about 10 different facilities during my seven year stay. It sure made things easy knowing several people everytime I rolled on to a new spot.
RCGardner95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis bitch really arrested me over MY cat.โ
Pictish1980 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You stole my cornbread fool!
umm-phrasing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Immediately when I had the ankle cuffs put on, I had to suppress a smile cuz I figured that wouldn't look good. It was such a "holy shit this is happening" feeling. Then it was just "wow, this food blows"
MeatTornadoLove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent 14 hours cuffed to a bench in booking, no food, cup of water. Went in already a bit sick from withdrawal, by the time I got out I could barely walk.
this fucking sucks
i need a cigarrette
i am gonna piss myself and I doubt they would notice the smell
i am so boreeeed
SuaveWarlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"when do we eat?"
gullyfox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally arrested after a 21 hour flight, so I was jetlagged AND had a massive cold. Arrested because I didn't show up in court because they sent the documents to the wrong house.
I was completely out of it. It was surreal. I managed to not cry, finally got to the jail where I was assigned bedding, and a room and I passed out. Woke up to someone banging on the door, saying that I shouldn't be here. They took all of my money (which they paid back 2 months later), gave me a bus voucher and told me to have a nice day. I cried a lot.
ChkYrHead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily, while I've been, was able to bail out and not get sentenced to anything long term, so for that aspect, I didn't have to worry about it. Well, technically, when I went to juvie, I lost my garden center cashier job at KMart, but that doesn't really count. Well, first was to figure out how to make sure my son was taken care of by his mom (for the two times I went to jail). Then make sure my car was picked up. Then how to figure out bail. Then how to act so I didn't get my ass beat.
I've been to juvenile detention once and jail twice. Non violent stuff. Juvie was the most violent. It was full of little shits trying to make a name for themselves, so there was lots of fights. No matter how you acted, odds are, you were gonna get in a fight just because. Someone would get challenged to beat someone's ass and you'd be the Randy that was walking by that got chosen. Luckily, most of the fights were just pissing contests, so as long as you fought back, most were over quickly and you'd get respect from the kid who started it and you were cool.
Second was a smaller town where everyone was in one large room and most of the people were drug offenders...who were all coming down. At any moment someone could lose their shit and flip out. As long as you stayed quiet and kept to yourself, you were probably fine.
The other time was in a fairly decent size city, so they separated the violent criminals from people who made shitty choices and got busted. We just chilled out, shot the shit and waited on our bail to come through.
luddyjun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn my mum is going to be so fucking disappointed. What will she think?
BmoreCareFool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I might actually starve to death
tokinjedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I am literally in jail for being outside and complying with the police."
Judge dropped everything for time served and took it off my record. AMA if anyone wants to know the boring details.
Never talk to cops.
possessed_flea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, please fill us in with the details.
tokinjedi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was with my friend where we usually fish. He was fishing, I wasn't. Regional park officer comes up to check if my friend has his license, no big deal.
Officer asks to see my I.D. and, not thinking of it, handed it to him. He runs it and turns out i had some bench warrants for unpaid tickets for expired tags on a car I no longer owned. He arrests me and books me at county prison. Even the officers booking me into the prison looked at him and literally asked "You really brought him in for this?"
Spent 14 some odd hours dealing with old man IBS, drunk farting guy, and insane tweeker. Went to court the following weekday and judge tossed out everything but processing fee's or some crap and took it off my record. She told me she had never heard of someone arrested for expired tags tickets and didn't have to show I.D. to officer.
Was maybe 23 then or around there. Since then i started to give a shit about my rights and found out your best bet is to not talk to cops. Oh, and make sure you send in that lease of liability to the DMV.
btharris11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWhen will I get out?โ
When I was 20 I went to jail a week before Motherโs Day, and all I wanted was to get out and see my mom that Sunday. I didnโt. Giving my mom a collect call from jail on Motherโs Day was one of the hardest things Iโve ever had to do. But it was an eye opening experience.
Eventually I was bonded out, went to rehab for 6 months, and Iโve made sure to see my mom every Motherโs Day since.
queen-of-quartz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Regret that I ate Steak n Shake chili from a can a few hours before my arrest. No one wants to take a bright red colored shit in a bathroom with no doors surrounded by officers.
fatpay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day, thereโs a lot less rape around here than I thought there was.
asconfusedasu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Decided to make something positive from it all and pick out which girls in my cell block fit the characters in Orange Is The New Black. Ended up writing a blog about it when i got out.
puskas14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I have to use these fucking shoes as a toilet seat guard?
HobbesArt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail in the middle of Mississippi for 4 day/3 nights in 2006, I was 22. I was driving 105 in a 55, I had long hair and was wearing a tiedyed โD.A.R.E. to keep kids off drugsโ T-shirt on. Dude found my empty sandwich bag with my rolling papers, and I wasnโt fooling anyone, but I had smoked everything I had like 20 mins earlier. After the cop realized I wasnโt actually a threat he was fairly decent to me. Handcuffed my hands in the front, let me ride shotgun, right next to his shotgun. We joked around a bit.
They left me a huge group holding cell with about 20 other guys, it was two stories, with bunk beds and picnic tables, plus a 19โ tv with tons of vhs tapes. No A/C and it was the middle of summer. It rained one night and the roofed leaked. Everyone in the cell called me Jesus because of the hair. One guy made me a cross necklace out of melted bags.
I could hardly eat, I was hella embarrassed, thought I was gonna loose my job. But then I had my first lucid dream and I kinda just tripped out on that till my time was up. I was in the middle of dreaming about my old neighborhood when I realized there was no way I could be there because I was in jail. So I decided to head over to my neighborโs house and fuck the girl next door in the their backyard tree fort. But when I started going at it I couldnโt feel anything so I started to ram both my arms up her v-jay to try and pleasure her. Then I woke up. It was weird as fuck and still makes me laugh.
pullmuthafucka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was young and crazy and I was waiting to be arraigned or whatever its called to see the judge after getting arrested for multiple burglaries, my only arrest ever. Never trust a word jail birds tell you. I was on so many benzos still and just out of my mind, they all convinced me it was at least a couple months to a few years for my crimes. So I got to my cell after just waking up from sleeping for 16 hours, withdrawling from a horrible run of lots of xanax everyday. I had apparently been transported to another county and I was Kinda freaking out with anxiety and my body was feeling like absolute shit but a lot of it was a blur so all I really recall is that it was a really shitty night. I woke up at 6 being told I had to see the judge at 7 in my county, I was so confused as to why I did this and the thought of being in that fucking cell one more day scared the hell out out of me let alone for months or years . I kept waiting and as 7 passed I kept thinking Id missed the arraignment and would have to wait until next week, still thinking I was going get a year if I was lucky . I was miserable and depressed and I can't lie I was scared as fuck in there so I thought if I get convicted suicide would be on the table. Well I waited till 9 o'clock to get called out and proceeded to have a panic attack for the next 3 hours while waiting to speak to my public defender only to have him tell me I was getting released the next day, I thanked him and cried like a little bitch.
sillypickle626 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, going to watch Die Hard 2 now
FactOfMatter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Apparently everyone here is innocent except for me."
On_Too_Much_Adderall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ive been there twice. just for a night each time. I'm a skinny white girl and I look like I'm from the suburbs so no one really expects that I've been to jail but anyways
The first time was a few years ago, it was Maricopa county (sheriff Joe's territory). i was in a holding cell for 23 hours at the 4th ave facility, which is pretty notorious for treating the inmates like absolute shit.
I'd stupidly gone into a state office to get a license for something business related and i had a warrant out for my arrest for missing a court date earlier for an unrelated misdemeanor.
they gave me the license i went in for, then immediately cuffed me, said i was under arrest and were walking me out of the building
and my first thought at this point was actually "should I run"
I easily coulda slipped outta those cuffs. I have small hands and tiny wrists. And the guy walking me was kinda a dick, but I could tell this was routine for him and he wasn't paying much attention. He was also overweight and in his fifties, i was probably 20 and very fit. i seriously considered this for like a full minute but then reasoned that even if i got away, I'd have much worse shit on my record like evading arrest so i didn't do it
They threw me in a barred room that was probably 10x8 feet with maybe 15 other people, a metal toilet in the corner and one concrete bench along the back, and slammed the door without bothering to take the cuffs off.. i actually slipped out of them (and then quickly put them back on) to make the other inmates laugh lol.
we all told stories to each other, mainly it was which drugs we currently were coming down off of and how much shit we'd be in at work. Thankfully i had a job that i could just go in to whenever i wanted at the time - there weren't schedules, and i could be "called in" - but really it was more like "hey can you come in?" If i didn't answer, it meant "no I can't." I was so very lucky for this. I felt REALLY bad for some of the other inmates - some were crying because they knew they were out of a job now and how would they feed the kids - it was horribly sad.
After shooting the shit with the other inmates for however long it was, they put us in a different room, it was freezing fucking cold in that one and again no beds or anything just concrete floor to ceiling, one bench and a toilet. it was 100+ outside so I'd been wearing a tshirt and short shorts, it was probably 50 in that room, I found a shirt on the floor and stole it and wrapped myself in it and got screamed at by a CO saying she'd "page 2" me if I didn't take that off. so i did, and i was cold, and that was really all I could fucking think about for the rest of the time I was in there
also how hungry I was. they fed us twice. Just some crackers. One girl was pregnant and they refused to feed her at all (fucked up right) i gave her my food, she didnt want to take it from me but it wasnt right that they could do that to a human being. so i gave her mine, and i didn't eat.
thankfully I had an amazing best friend who figured out what happened to me and got me the fuck out of there. he bailed me out at about 1 am that day but it took me until 10am the next day to make it to the release tank. I was in there 23 hours total and it was brutal af.
the second time i went, it was the tempe jail and it was like being in a hotel room compared to Maricopa county. they gave me a nice little mattress to sleep on, the COs shot the shit with me, offered me a sandwich and actually apologized to me for having to put me in the cell lol. they put me in a room with two other girls (who were both asleep) and my only thought that time was like "well fuck it, guess I'll go to sleep too"
liamgooding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
(Jail) โIm finally a baddass... Wow I can scratch my name in the wall... no wait, I might go to prison.... wait no, F*CK my Dad is going to kick my ass when he gets here!โ
It was about 3 hours in a jail cell, felt like a day. I was 15 and had been arrested for assaulting (defending myself against) a fully grown man. However I was tall and I guess he thought I was over 18.
Dad turned up, solicitors sorted with police, I was released with a slap on the wrist. Other guy had a few nights in hospital.
Dad kicked bought me Indian take away that night. Im 30 and heโs never brought it up once.
NickTheBoatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first time i went to jail, on the first day I was thinking, "Oh I better be prepared for when we are out of lockdown, I don't know what's gonna happen." This then changed to, "Oh, this isn't so bad, it's kinda chill actually, and I'll be outta here in a couple days probably. No big deal just ride it out..." Then I met the guy who was there for a assault with a deadly weapon, 3rd offense, charge. He was there awaiting trial, and i heard him get some bad news from his lawyer on the phone. He hung up the phone, turned around, and smashed the first guy he saw in the face. Then he jumped on him and pounded away for a good 60 seconds. He got off and went into his cell, and the guy on the floor got dragged off to PC (protective custody). We had 18 hr lockdown and three 2 hour open times for meals and rec etc, and every time he got out of lockdown this same guy would knock some other random inmate out. I remember one guy was being punked in his cell by this dude and I could hear this smaller guy screaming and begging it to stop from across the block. Listening to that turned my stomach like nothing in my life ever has. I was very happy to get out after only 3 days in there, and no subsequent time I've been has matched that stay for the brutality and sheer unfocused anger. It was eye opening.
TotallyDepraved ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Immigration jail in the Philippines.
"Damn this place is a shithole. At least I'll be leaving in 3 days".
2 years 8 months and counting...
startup_guy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
youre in jail?
TotallyDepraved ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And before you ask how I have a phone....it's the Philippines. Everyone is corrupt, especially guards.
Immigration won't/can't deport me as the NBI (like FBI but more incompetent) say that I have a case but don't know what it is, who complained, what city or what year. Never been questioned or charged. Just detained indefinitely like many others until I pay enough bribes.
I'm guilty of being a foreigner and not sharing all my wealth with every Filipino I've met.
BatDubb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if that Steph Curry kid will pan out?
practicalmailbox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait to get out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know that this is an awful thing to think about / wish for / idolize, but I admit that I have always been curious about prison. If we had longer lives, and if it didnโt ruin the rest of your life after prison, and if it werenโt for the risk of being beaten / raped / murdered while in prison, I admit I would be a bit curious to know what it is all about. Specifically Iโm in a morbid way curious about solitary confinement. What sort of insanity does your mind start throwing at you to cope?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's what children are
actressblueeyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I dont fucking belong here" I was 19 and went to jail for something my mother did. She tried to kill me but of course no one believed me. I got put in solitary for 12 hours and then when placed in minsec every cop treated me like i was a murder except a few who had been working there a long time and could see i didnt belong there. The inmates all saw it too. I was treated very well in my short time there by other inmates.
I didnt belong there and should have never gone. It gave me nightmares for weeks after i was released. It wasnt as bad as some might think, but im a very small and weak person: it was firghtening enough for me. Esspecially since i did nothing wrong.
Backwounds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dumbass was praying like โgod if you get me outa this ill never do shit like this againโ
detectivejewhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well since I was 18 and had never known anyone that went to jail and was assuming it was like tv, I was kinda scared of people sizing me up, and what I would have to do. It obviously varies greatly by the county, but no one did anything to me. They'll try to take advantage of you being new and trade you a soup (ramen noodles pack) for a tray of food whether it be breakfast lunch or dinner, because they know what's coming on what days and want as much food as they can get. Within 24 hours I was relaxed and it was alright. Everyone was cool. The second time at 21 I spent 36 hours in the drunk tank and all that I thought of was "shit I hope I don't lose my job". I was in for 11 days and somehow didn't lose my job. 7 of those days were in the county I was arrested In, 4 in the county my warrant was issued. But I had no idea what was going on in my life outside of jail because I didn't have any phone numbers and I couldn't bail myself out because that wasn't available at that jail yet, so all I was really thinking about when I got settled was using the money in my wallet for commissary lol I was actually excited to get some good junk food. My mom ended up finding out I went to jail and bailed me out which was surprising. I assumed I already lost my job so I just wanted to serve my time and be done with it, but I obviously had no way to tell her that. Main thing in jail is just being bored. The only time I ever saw fights was when someone got caught stealing from someone else, or didn't pay up what they bet in a poker game. It's really not hard, at least in the 2 counties I've been to jail in.
bigcontracts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never want to be back here again.
mrsphreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OMG my cellmate is the girl I filed a restraining order against 5 years ago?! [Drops mattress, pees pants a little]
Strike_43425 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im house fuck Cuddy
rex8499 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1st thoughts: I wonder if I'll still be able to go on my honeymoon to Thailand. Will they let me leave the country after I make bail in a couple days?
2nd concern was mostly about losing my career over it.
In the end, we made it to Thailand and I didn't lose my job. Charges ultimately dismissed.
rogueR0B0T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dumbest day of my life.
Spent the night in lock up, on acid. To this day I still dont know if they knew what I was on. I just put my head between my knees and counted for what seemed like hours, I dont even remember how high I got. 10/10 would not recommend
Prevette1990 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This gulity until proven innocent shit is getting out of hand. Also self defense law's need to be re looked at and changed. Had a friend have someone break into his house. Get shot at he then returned fire hit the guy. The guy that broke in and friend were arrested. Friend got charged with attempted murder and guy got off... What in the actual F!!!? My country makes me so sad.
EnemyBagJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canada?
mulumequitem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All I remember thinking when I went to jail was "why won't this fucker shut his cock-holster, I just want to sleep."
I got arrested on my way home in the middle of the night trying to go to bed. Also apparently an ounce of marijuana is a lot in Texas.
unclefisty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I wonder what's wrong with their copier"
I fix copiers, many of which are inside prisons and one is inside the local county jail.
Howie_Dictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went straight to my cell, made a knee tent with my blanket and silently masturbated.
freon22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWow, I know way more people in here than I thought I would.โ
IMhiphawp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I was terrified, but it was a bunch of dudes sitting out in the yard watching three men and a baby, smoking cigarettes, and joking around...It turned out to be awfully similar to basic training without drill sergeants. People pretty much leave new guys alone right away. It takes time for tension to leave your face and to relax and nobody knows how batshit crazy new guys are
ScatPack16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a jail, so I don't know the other side of being in the cells, but usually for someone's first couple of days I try to stay in contact with them. I try to be a positive role model for those I talk with, while remaining fair, firm, and consistent. For most individuals, their trip to jail is enough of a wake up call for them to turn their life around and stop doing dumb shit. Others, all they know is jail. Food does suck. Beds look very uncomfortable. If you become an inmate worker, you are searched going to and from your assigned work, and in full restraints, but it gets you out of the pod for a few hours a day.
trashdragongames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That weed being illegal is a crime against humanity, the food is compete shit I'd rather not eat, and there is absolutely nothing to do but sleep around here
IllegalAlien333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This thread puts my current life into perspective. I feel a little better.
itsachance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right?
hmochoa95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Iโm in Jail... like this is actually happening
Mettetor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where am I?
I went out drinking and woke up in the drunk tank.
Janelouise3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God. At least here I wonโt accidentally overdose.
Stfslzr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3 days after my 21st birthday I got fucked up during at a red rocks show (because I was dumb and excited) and blackout. Got arrested. First thought was, โIโm too gay for this shit.โ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent some time in the local jail for DUIs. I remember being surprised at how inmates are treated. I mean I wasn't expecting luxury, but I didn't expect it to be so dirty. And the food, the food was something I'll never forget. I've never seen worse food anywhere. It's almost like they made the food part of the punishment.
c_tambo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this isnt so bad...just find the longest books in the cell and eat everything they give you
4twinkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is gonna kill me.
sallysippin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get a blanket?
Theguygotgame777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The lack of a serious tag means that this is going to be a fun thread!
henry_tbags ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would be weird if the Warriors were awesome and Steph Curry was one of the best players in the NBA by the time I got out.
yesanything ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want my cellphone.
blameitonany1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All I want is my baby!!! Who has her?!!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:16:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got sent to Essex County Jail in Jersey for basically being homeless.
I had no clue what to expect, it was cold, I was tired and hungry. I thought, I better start asking people questions on how to get through this.
awkward_social_boner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck.
vault13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:48:42 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing? This place smells like piss and wet cardboard.
pacificanw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they ever turn out this damn light? They can see me taking a piss all the time?! It smells horrible everywhere. This food looks and tastes like cardboard. Is my bunkee going to murder me in my sleep.. whats she in here for? When the fuck do I get to go home. Helloo telecom man when can I go home?! I wonder how many other people have worn these underwear (fyi your supposed to use the pad they give you in the underwear regardless of if your on your period or not)
That smell coming from the showers/bathrooms is urinary tract infections. Didnt step foot in there for the whole 2 days.
BrainEclipse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:39:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I better roll doubles, I don't have 50 bucks to spare...
JustinisaDick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:46:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All in total, from arrest to release I was in custody for 18 hours.
Was arrested just after 1am on a Monday. I should have refused to take the breathalyzer, because my official BAL was .089. Not sure what I blew roadside.
Was taken to city lockup for a while, put in a holding cell with a blanket cause I was cooperating. A little later police brought someone else in. 20 minutes go by and they take us out, put us in shackles and transport us to county. It was in that thirty minute ride, it was announced that El Chapo escaped from Mexican prison.
We get to county, the other guy is a repeat offender, and sleepy, so they put him in another holding cell so he can go right to sleep. I had to sit and wait while they fucked with him. They opened up an empty cell so I can put on the orange, then given a mat and a filled cell to sleep in. Couldn't sleep. 30-40 minutes later I get moved to a different cell, occupied by one other. He took up the best floor space do I ended up with my head next to the toilet.
An hour or so later I get woken for breakfast. Ate some of it. Went back to sleep for another hour, when I was awoken again to do my finger printing and head shots. One of the deputies who was questioning me about myself was a real tool. I'm seated on a stool, and the first thing he says to me is, "It's been awhile since we've seen you." I've never been arrested before.
After, I get moved to my pod, set up my bed and since I'm not exactly tired like I should be, I just go down to the tables and watch stupid reality shows; dumb car shows. I tell some people my story. I get the nickname Chips. I was going to the c-store that I work at to buy chips.
It was such a boring day. Just bad reality tv car shows. It was laundry day, so they gave me a 2nd jumpsuit that I changed into quickly so they could wash the original one given to me.
The food was bad. I gave some away. Others had me convinced that I would probably see a judge that day. I did not. After our 30 minutes rec hour, when I wasn't called to see a judge that day, I inquired about making a phone call. It took about two hours before someone came back to me with the ability to do so.
Dinner was probably worst than lunch. I ate what I could and gave the rest away. Our pod watched Scarface on tv. I've never seen it through the end, nor the beginning.
There was one time after lunch, I went to my cell to take a nap. I awoke sometime after, the cell doors were shut. There was no one in the table area watching tv. My cellie wasn't in the room. I had no idea what was going on.
So when a deputy came in with a card, so I can make outside calls, I called my parents immediately. They have gotten rid of their landline and collect calls can't be made to cell phones. I tried calling twice. They had came over to the jail, had to call it to talk with me. I was called to the main receiving area to take the call. I had to convince them to hit up an ATM to bail me out. 20-30 minutes later I was released.
When we got back to our town, we received a call from my sister. She was angry at me and wanted to know what was happening. My aunt had told her what happened. I still don't know how my aunt heard about it. My arrest never showed in the papers or the local online arrest report.
trollololooooo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you go to a yob interview, you can say that you went to Yale.
morgalorgan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:34:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had the nervous shits and it smelled awful. When an officer finally opened the door hours after I was incarcerated, he wrinkled his nose in disgust and told me it stunk really bad in there. No shit (pun intended). That really pissed me off.
pelpa666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:13:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prison in England i thought ill be cool half my area are in there ill just walk with swagger and act like i been locked up a hundred times
reality check no matter how good of an actor you are you stand out that its your first time. their is nothing you can do about it.
secondly thought about my kids being without me (they think i went to the Army)
Got into a fight on first day with a family that had been at odds with my family on the outside (inherited this beef from my dad over an incident 13 yrs earlier) got sent to segregation. the screws hated me for this they thought i was trying to make a name for myself
i was the only guy in the prison who hated visits from family
stopped smoking did 10 mins intense fitness every hour
read an amazing amount of books in the 9 months i was there
DeathNinja93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is Stephen Curry the best player in the world?
Technical_Machine_22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was very frightened at the time. I had been a "good boy" all my life and got into a fight with my cousin, ended up spending a few nights in jail for domestic violence and the whole time I was thinking about all the anal-rape-in-jail "jokes" heard over the years. My first day I made fast friends with a Latin King's member and my black cellmate by swapping racial jokes and playing basketball in the rec yard. Some guy who molested his little sister got beat within an inch of his life in the showers.
9/10 would go to jail again.
dbachir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis finna be a breezeโ
gwlemaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the system as an Attorney. I do alot of public defense work. I just want to thank you guys for sharing. I wish everyone would read some of this with an open mind and heart.
anunexpectedshark ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 12:43:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How I had to get out. How I didn't belong here. How wrong it was. How poor the limited confinement was.
I got a light sentence back in 2010, but I was still scared shitless as I walked in, through my jail cell bars for the first time. Even more frightened when I saw my bunkmate, Harold. Harold is a 30 year old pyromaniac, in on drug trafficking charges. He's got the same claims as me, and has already been labeled as the local looney, so pretty soon that label sticks to me, too. I try to distance myself from Harold, but it's hard when you fall asleep below the guy every night, you know? And as we spent more time together I noticed that he began to be more honest with me, more open. Eventually he told me he wanted to bust out, feel the water on his face and make a fresh kill. That's when I realized that Harold was a horn shark, and shortly after I alerted the attention of the warden. He sold Harold to a shark salesman and made quite a profit, and released me from my sentence early!
SusanForeman ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this. Am I the only one getting tired of these novelty accounts?
oversizedbass ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 15:50:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like jumper cables guy, but shittier.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Choady_Arias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he's back
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Choady_Arias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was wrong. It was /u/rogersimon10
AtomicBlackJellyfish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least it's not a haiku.
iamachairama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:58:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have hated poemforyoursprog for years. Half the time Iโll downvote his comments.
AtomicBlackJellyfish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're not as annoying as the inevitable "wow earliest I've been to le fresh sprog" replies.
iamachairama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's very true lol
zippythezigzag ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:38:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can be annoying sometimes but usually I find them funny.
_Serene_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do people expect on an internet board without a serious tag anyway, lo
Kosmological ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not much but itโs still obnoxious that so many people upvote this unfunny, unoriginal, totally lame garbage in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:34:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kosmological ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you laugh at the same joke no matter how many times youโve heard it?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:59:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kosmological ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a better way to look at it. Makes sense, because I donโt normally like pranks either.
zippythezigzag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The correct answer here is yes. Yes I do. If it makes me laugh it makes me laugh. If it starts getting old I scroll on by.
Kosmological ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful unless youโre incredibly lame. People donโt normally laugh at the same joke more than a few times because they already know the punchline. Lolmouse explained it better, that this is more of a prank.
zippythezigzag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm generally a happy person so I don't mind old jokes. Seems like they bother you but there's some stuff that bothers me too. Agree to disagree?
Kosmological ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm betting youโre not incredibly lame. Iโm betting youโll give an old joke a wholesome chuckle but thatโs not comparable to genuine laughter. We all do that.
Agree to disagree.
frontally ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the main problem is that they mostly all give it away in the username, so you feel stupid when you go back and realised you missed it
leadhound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wew. Hope so. Needed the laugh today.
atzenkatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like them sometimes but this one isn't funny.
IrritableOwlSyndrome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it definitely jumped the shark.
treebeard189 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is horn shark a meme? Like I enjoy hell in a cell and lockness monster but its gonna be stupid really fast if we are just making up random things
oniiesu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of a pyromaniac shark sitting at the bottom of the ocean, fruitlessly trying to strike a flint into a pile of seaweed and getting depressed.
Sshigaru ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 13:04:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, is this a serious story or with horn shark you mean an actual shark? I got lost in the last part
apostrophie ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 13:12:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the username.
jay2josh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit.
drea6681 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh fuck Im dead
JayCDee ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:57:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That account is pure gold.
SchericT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its always an unexpected shark. Always
capix1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. I see alot of 'The Profit with Markus Lemonus' in it.
LaV-Man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, mostly that.
A close second was a resolution to commit unspeakable acts of violence to ensure I left in the same condition I entered.
I was in the San Diego jail. I was on the first floor in the dorms (20 or thirty bunk beds beds in two rooms divided by a shared common room). I was in there with people who've done everything you can think of. While I was there they put Robert Alton Harris in with us.
The gravity of that situation still freaks me out a little.
I guess I probably should have read your whole post before I commented.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:02:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck.
Lucent_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Motherfucker
RottenCod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are my new reason to be here. !!!
PsychoSpoon85 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You never disappoint.
KawiNinjaZX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's you again
sofiaskat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love this.
PM_ME_YOUR_MOONROCKS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So...do you just go incorperating sharks into every post?
That's great.
SpiffShientz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Booooooo.
BasicBroEvan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:31:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How bad the Dementors were
Doug181818 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre a true hero, Prison Mike.
irishryan913 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck, this is like cattle. "
I wrote about my experience while I was in prison. I wrote it all out long hand and a friend created a web site. I'm not sure if it's allowed but it's http://ryanirishmartin.com/
It's not much but I'm proud of it.
jvarghese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost went to Jail for missing a speeding ticket court date that was set in the previous year about 11 months prior to the court date. New York City court system is a joke.
kevincreeperpants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this is boring. You assholes are gonna watch BET all fucking day?! Blow.
jschleus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The dementors.
Johnny_Apple_Dick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day at least is spent in holding, sooo...i spent that day walking in circles teaching myself to say the alphabet backwards as quickly as possible.
That was six years ago. I can still say it backwards faster than you can say it forwards.
Don't wanna brag. But yeah.
parabolic000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
24 hours late so...this gon' get buried. I was bewildered, honestly. It was insane, I met a kid I used to mentor thru the state...but it wasn't bad. I was mildly afraid, hid the fact that I'm gay as hard as possible, but I didn't put up a facade. I was me, a nerdy white/asian dude who drinks too much, and after a little bit in holding, I was no longer scared. It reminded me of high school. There were cliques, there were the people who knew what was going on, and there were authority figures that controlled the whole thing. It was easy. Granted, it was jail, not prison, and it was only 3 days, but still. It was simple, surprisingly educational, and moderately heartening. 4/10 would do again for 100 bucks.
RaineRios ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Holy noodles it's freaking cold in here!"
Dandalfini ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I was 50 yards from my doorstep... 50 fucking yards... public intox my ass. Smash the police state!!"
I did get to call a cop the gestapo to his face though. So. Satisfying.
rollpack6512 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing I noticed were the dementors! They suck the soul outta you and it HOOIIT.
drunkjaguar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm definitely gonna fail that Calculus test tomorrow .. got out of jail 2 hours before the test and actually pulled an 81%
JJ916 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My class and race (see white privilege) had never been so blatantly and unapologetically reinforced by systematic racism (not just a few racist cops). I was treated respectfully, was allowed to wait in the sitting area WITHOUT handcuffs, and I was offered water. The officers made polite conversation with me and skipped a lot of the more invasive searches. I was the only one not restrained out of about 30 people (and I was the only upper class white person). The brown and black new guests were treated like shit and immediately subjected to the dehumanization process in US prison systems. Honestly, I had never been arrested in my life and was scared as fuck; so I hate to admit that I appreciated the special/humane treatment while simultaneously being absolutely disgusted by how the other prisoners were being treated.
Claire0000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that sounds pretty messed up? Maybe it was partially because your crime wasnโt that bad? If you donโt mind my asking, what did you get arrested for? If you donโt want to say you donโt have to.
JJ916 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all of us were in there for exact same thing. DUI in wine country and near an Indian casino, so you can imagine it's pretty common in that area. That was part of what was so fucked up - we all did the same thing, it wasn't like I was in for Petty theft and they were all.in for murder. We got there the same way and then diverged on how we were treated.
UniversalFarrago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude, it was racism. This isn't the least bit surprising, honestly.
murrieta123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in jail for a day. sucks balls when you're in the cop car on the way there. you're thinking of to who and how you're gonna notify about this. you're wondering how long before you're out?
when i got to the jail. they fingerprinted me and gave me my one and only call. then they gave me a jumpsuit and sandals to change into. that got me. i almost felt like crying when i changed into the orange suit. tried not showing this though i have no idea what my face actually looked.
then they walked me into the cell. it was a community cell not solitary. they had them segregated per race. they put me with the hispanics. i remember the blacks cheering and howling as they brought me in. they said things like, "hey big dog, come over here! hey guards, bring him here he ain't no mexican. he can chill with us." I am a mexican actually, just a very light complexion and 6'1, 250lbs.
when i got to the cell, i remember going to take a leak and there was no door to the bathroom, just a 3 foot wall on both sides of the toilet.
i didn't talk to anyone. i just took a spot on the top of a bunk bed and waited. i saw some inmates playing with a deck of cards. others just chatting. most were serious and stuck to themselves.
after a long day, my name was called. "you're bail was paid, let's go"
the next morning i pissed blood. doctor says it was probably due to high anxiety/stress from that experience. that was the first and last time for jail for me.
magicone2571 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is an experience. Personally I just had to go to a county jail but it was an old rusty worn down building. Nothing really hit me until the slam of the door. Just the feeling that I didn't have the power to open that door when I wanted to was bad enough. Place sucked - if you weren't on work release you were locked in 20-22 hours a day. The cells were solid concrete, metal beds and a bright ass light that never goes off (even at night). No radio, no tv, no clock. First few days sucked because I wasn't able to get to the jail library and had zero to do. Just lay there on a hard bed for 20 hours staring at the bars, not knowing the time or what was going on.
I can't remember fully what was going on in my head but I do remember saying to myself if this was prison and I was going to be here more than a year I'd hang myself.
the-floot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have taken the bridgeโฆ and the second hall.
We have barred the gatesโฆ but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes.
Drumsโฆ drumsโฆ in the deep.
We cannot get out. A shadow moves in the dark.
We cannot get outโฆ
They are coming!
Bloodfeather6996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day in jail was: "Holy shit I'm fucking dopesick, somebody please fucking kill me!" Followed by: "I was supposed to graduate from high school next month, what the hell happened? Oh yeah, I got addicted to pain pill and then heroin. Now, the War on Drugs has turned me into profitable slave labor"
First day in prison: "I can't tell which people are just bored and making jokes because they brought new people in, and who actually wants to fight/rob/have non consensual sex with me. Oh, this guy telling me he's about to take all my stuff as he's walking towards my stuff definitely is serious about taking my stuff."
Later on first day in prison, after being released from segregation when I assured them I would rather go back to the block I just fought the large black man in than stay in the hole on a 90 degree July day: "Holy shit! All my friends that dropped out of high school before I did are here! It's like a reunion!"
Lol I know the last bit sounds made up, but it's not. I was in a block in prison with 7 other people from my graduating class.
mathamatazz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to Texas Prison for less then a year for manslaughter.
Speeding down a back road, lost control when a truck was more in the middle of the road then his side and I over reacted. Managed to slow down to 69 before I crashed (I was going over 100 before I swerved or anything thank godd my senses kicked in 2 minutes earlier) flipped 6 times my friend died.
It was nerve racking at first, but I learned pretty fast that since I'm white, had no tattoos, I speak clearly and am educated that I was okay.
No one wants to mess with the white kid who's obviously there over a horrible accident and will never be back. Sounds harsh and racist, because it is. Both in county and prison I was told those exact things by many people during my first week.
In prison the pecker heads (white idiots gang) gave me a few things and brown and proud (Mexican gang) let me hang out a lot. Most black people were or claimed to be bloods, they hated everyone equily so I avoid even speaking to them.
My parents sent me college texts books so I would teach people about I.T work or science or play DnD with the sex offenders (no kid diddlers, just exposure charges or some 19 y/o who pissed his 17 y/o gf's parents off ) it was horrible and I secretly hated everyone there as if I was somehow above them. But I got the nickname happy because I was always cool and full of energy and would cook for people in the dorm since I have money on my books all the time.
companion86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I yawned every time I walked into a new room bc it was the most neutral expression I could think of. I was afraid if I didn't smile I'd look aggressive or angry, and that if I did, I might look cocky or weak so... I yawned.
valeristark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, itโs my time to shine!
Okay which time. The first time it was for driving on suspended and I knew it was no big deal so I was just like ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ. Just so happened I missed the judge so I stayed in for two days, one of which was my birthday. Second time was in another state while my fiancรฉ was in yet another state, and I was panicking because they used bail bondsmen and we donโt have those here. Literally had a panic attack. Was out in maybe an hour. The next time I did 30 days and knew it was coming so I went in packing Xanax and didnโt GAF about anything for about a week and a half. Then the dope wore off and I started sizing people up that started sizing me up and my fiancรฉ just kinda left me hanging with no visits phone calls or money. That sucked. Got out and moved back home and 10 days later hit the big time. Felony trafficking. Huge bond. Scared shitless. Laid in the holding cell thinking, โIโm gonna rot in here, my family is never gonna help me, this girl over here is crazy AF.โ Was out the next day. Couple more overnighters that didnโt amount to much. Then another big time trafficking and organized crime where I stayed for 2 months just waiting for a bond. By that time I had a husband and 2 kids and a wonderful job. I spent the first week depressed as shit. โThere goes my job, my savings account, my relationship with my kids.โ Sure enough, the two former disappeared with a quickness, and my kids didnโt even know me when I got out.
TL:DR -๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ -Panic attack -Doped up, DGAF -Thought Iโd rot in jail -๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ -๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ -Rotted in jail
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You dont learn shit do you?
GreasyPepperoniTits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why you gotta be a dick, dude? FFS.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aftwr several stints in jail and losing her family and career, i get no realization in her post that shs learned a fucking thing.
valeristark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Umm nah. Yes I did several stints in jail, all stemming from drug addiction. That last 2 monther was 2.5 years ago. I just celebrated 3 years clean. My family is still together, my kids are well-adjusted. They were really little when I was gone. Oldest was 3, youngest was 14-16 months. Theyโve gotten over it. I have a new career. I worked really hard doing drug counseling and stuff and got a light sentence and I have no desire to go back to that life. Iโve definitely learned a fucking thing, it just took me a while.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats then!
valeristark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
GreasyPepperoniTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You might be right, but still man.
valeristark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
EthErealist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โTime moves slowly in here.โ
โThereโs dried blood stains on that bench.โ
โI am not drinking water from the sink that is next to the toilet.โ
โIโm going to smile in my mugshot like I read on reddit.โ
โMight as well workout until I tire myself out.โ
WillItNub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spent close to two weeks in jail. I๏ธ only have one hand (woke up one morning without good old lefty) and these assholes decided I๏ธ should have the top bunk. Iโm not a small guy (6โ4โ 275lbs) and apparently not speaking for 6 days scared the people in my pod. One guy approached me and asked if I๏ธ could make sure that if I๏ธ snap and kill someone try to please make sure I๏ธt isnโt him. Surprisingly I๏ธt was an easy 2 weeks.
DevilAdderall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do we lock people in a cage for smoking pot
Bobaaganoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even though this post is 20 hours old, and probably no one will read my comment, Iโm gonna add my story bc I think itโs funny-ish.
About 3 years ago, I was on my way to work. I think I was going like 57 in a 45 speed zone. Which isnโt horrible. I get about within 2 miles from my job, when a cop gets behind me and turns on his lights. Iโm like, fuck me! The road to my job, thereโs no where to pull over or pull in bc itโs just peoples houses in both sides of the road. So I didnโt want pull in to someone drive way and have all this go sown. So, I didnโt pull over immediately. I went up the road another mile and a half, I even slowed down a lot. Like to 20 mph. To show him I wasnโt trying to escape. I know this all sounds like a dumbass move right now, but 1.) I didnโt wanna be late and 2.) I didnโt know what to do. Anytime Iโd ever been pulled over before I had somewhere to pull over. Here I didnโt.
So I pull into my job, and the cop gets out with his gun drawn and told me put my hands up and walk to his car. So I did. He was instantly a dick within 5 seconds. I kinda donโt blame him though. He probably thought I was trying to escape. But I was in a 99โ S-10 truck. It topped out at like 70. I wasnโt going anywhere bruh. Lol well, he arrests me and asks why Iโm fleeing. I told him the situation and that I wasnโt fleeing. And he hauls me off to jail. The whole way there heโs lecturing me on how I thought I could escape him.
Once we got to the jail, I was sat in the back on a bench and I explained to everyone who asked what happened. And that I wasnโt trying to flee, I just didnโt know where to pull over. So, my family knows the judge, weโre good with the chief of police, so I was a little cocky. I thought for sure my parents would make a few phone calls and Iโd be out. After an hour of sitting on a bench, the cop came to me and said โdo you know why I brought you here?โ And I said โbc youโre a douchebag cop who gets his dick hard by being an ass to civilians.โ He laughed and said โoh really? Well, I was about to let you go and give you a ticket, but now youโre gonna stay here for the night.โ I was like, no way he can do that. He did. I had to stay in jail for the night. So hereโs where my experience with jail starts -
It was actually chill. I was surprised to see several other guys I had grew up with in their that instantly came to my side and made sure I wasnโt fucked with. I was in a public area, where everyone was shootin the shit, watching tv. Some of the guys explained to me what was going on. Apparently the warden had placed me in the left wing bc the right wing was where the really bad props were and he knew I didnโt deserve to be here. Well, I made contact with my parents and they said Iโd be out in the morning. Some guy offered to let me sleep in his cell with him and 2 other guys. He claimed to know my parents well. So I asked my mom if I can trust this guy. She said yeah. So, I had a cot that i put on the floor under a guys bunk. That was literally right next to a toilet, so all night I got to listen and witness other men shit and piss right by my face. I hardly slept. I was worried I was gonna get raped by these guys. But they were surprisingly all really nice and made sure no one messed with me. The following morning I had breakfast which was ok. It wasnโt horrible. I got out at around 10 am and was so grateful to be out. I mean my experience wasnโt horrible, but I canโt imagine what it would be like to be here for a hefty sentence. Iโd go nuts.
I called my bosses to let them know what happened, they laughed and said โnext time, just pull over for a cop, okay?โ. They still joke about it to this day sometimes. Lol
Lastaria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I read it.
Bobaaganoosh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:53:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks ๐
RedditDrummar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that'll teach you to not be cocky or an ass when in a bad situation.
Onthewagon2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm a little late, but I very recently experienced this so here goes; I am an alcoholic, and during the course of 3 months (after a difficult breakup and subsequently moving to a new place where I knew no one, and started drinking to ease the loneliness mostly) I incurred not one; not two; but THREE DUI's. I know, you'd think they'd take away my license.. they did, after the second. So there was a driving without a license on there too. I had drank 2 bottles of wine and was driving to the store to get another. Anyway, I ended up spending 5 days in jail before my dad bailed me out. I was led to a cell about the size of your average living room, with 8 other women inmates there, they all had their own bunks. There weren't any bunks left for me so I had to sleep on the floor. I think what I found most fascinating was the women I met; how they adapted to spending months, or even years, trapped in a box with fluorescent lighting and no windows, with an open toilet. They were goddamn McGuyvers. One woman made me a ear plugs out of a pad (not used, obv), and a sleep mask using a sock and comb. They used mashed up soap to hang a sheet over the toilet, so they would have a little privacy at least. To get exercise, they paced in circles, counting each rotation and using ripped up pieces of paper to count (all the girls did this). One woman casually told me she was in for raping her brother, which she was pissed about because she said it was consensual. She freaked me out a bit. Breakfast at 6am, which was usually some version of last night's dinner .. the food was awful. There was no recreation room, no movie night, nothing but sitting in your cell. One girl said that sometimes they let them all outside in a courtyard that was covered, so they were technically outside but could not really look up at the sky or anything. You could request library books, and each girl had a small collection, which they let me borrow. I'd say I was bored, uncomfortable, hungry (couldn't stomach the food), and my parents were fucking furious. It felt like the worst summer camp vacation ever... And it only felt like that because of the bunk beds and playing cards so much. Scared me straight though, got me into AA and off of the path I was on, where I was going to kill someone, or myself, or both. All in all I am glad it happened, even though it was the hardest time of my life (so far, only 25 so .. knock on wood). My offenses were in 2 different states, so my 2 attorneys were able to work some magic where I didn't have to do any more jail time. After 3 DUIs I really should have been in jail for a looong time. Sober and grateful.
rikkmode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/zLHtxRzu6KQ
doesavocadoitdoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to die. Our county jail is notorious for suicide and accidental death.
malicetodream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have got to get he fuck out of here ASAP. WTF is wrong with these people, I am nothing like them. Why do these guys keep pulling the trash can outside and puking as a group around it.
tinymewkit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was sheriff n3, called out mafia for their investigative result d2. Promptly told to 'shut up exe', and jailed and exec'd that night. :(
Easytokillme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a penis goes through the head right? I mean it's jail right?
halrold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
Balanced-One ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're heart drops as soon as you see the barbwired double fence when first ariving on the bus from county jail.
JayPx4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Penis
Specialk325 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got in the fish tank, saw a couple brutal fights, saw a dude get dope-sick and shit himself while he was having a seizure. Several guys came in stinking like they hadn't showered in a week, they would try talking to me and their breath was worse! I was only 18, I learned how disappointing it feels to call your dad collect and when he answers the line says, "hello, you have a call from, "blank blank", an inmate at Lake County Jail, do you wish to accept the charges?"
Man, it all pretty much sucked. Ended up doing some more time at 2 prisons and then a prison boot camp. Ramen noodles and honey buns are the best currency next to cigs and drugs. Not gonna lie though, there were some fun times, playing basketball, hitting weights, ghetto Monopoly. Plus I learned how to make some cheap fire meals that I still make on the outside to this day. Lol. Nostalgia.
eazolan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fire meals"?
Do you have an example?"
Specialk325 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A dip. It's a combo of ramen, tuna, hot cheetos, summer sausage, hot cheese, doritos, etc. You can pretty much put whatever you want in. The secret is in the preparation though.
brandy_works ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm guessing the other inmate was having opioid withdrawal. We were in separate holding cells but I could sure hear her. It was hydroxyzine, an antihistamine that was used as a sedative a long time ago, and something else harmless which I now canโt remember. I first thought they were giving me my antidepressant or a substitute. Then when I heard the yelling from next door and got quite sleepy, I started to put two and two together. The CO figured out her mistake and checked on me. A lot. I probably could have gotten her in a lot of trouble, but I didnโt really see the point. I was in complete shock from being there in the first place, so I looked at it as a gift to get through that first day.
Side note: I did used to take a benzodiazepine for anxiety. I was allowed to have it in county jail, given by a nurse or CO on regular schedule with the rest of my meds. They did make a huge production out of it and refer to it constantly as a narcotic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With a juvenile misdemeanor it was, "Fucking shit my dad is going to kill me."
InMooseWeTrust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I did something wrong in school, I didn't care if I get a detention or a suspension. I was always terrified of my dad finding out because he would beat the shit out of me as soon as I got home.
jaredalfred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A broostick that penetrated my body through my ass with toothpaste for lube
geny890 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โHow did I get here?โ
ComancheCorps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck this is gonna take a while."
emomo34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will I be attacked or robbed
mr42ndstblvdlives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never been. To prison been I'm jail a few times.
The worst part is taking a dump.
Everybody can see you.
And if you throw a blanket over your door for privacy the cops accuse you of all sorts of shit and add time to your number of days.
Taking a shit in jail sucks.
Alot of the smart guys eat fast during lunch or wait till rec time and don't go so they can shit I. Private
intheskywithlucy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"What time does the narwhal bacon?"
ricksonbyarmbar666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't fucking belong here"
R_Davidson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"it's fucking cold in here"
Was in a southern jail in the middle of winter and they have no heat and it was freezing inside.
solokova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does the psych ward count? I felt out of place and scared. Most of the other patients had more severe illnesses than me, like schizophrenia or had been in a state of psychosis. Only the violent ones were put in a different unit so most of us were lumped together. I was there because I was suicidal and they also diagnosed me with ptsd from past abuse. I made friends with two people and we watched TV, did puzzles and drooled from the Ativan together.
TheFernQueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While waiting in admissions for around 24 hours: I'm so sick of bologna sandwiches
When I got the to pod at 2 am: FINALLY! Now I can get some sleep that's not on cold concrete
0x12B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWell fuck.โ
โWell at least Iโm alone..โ
โAnnnd now Iโm in a pod with 16 other guys.โ
ZeroDaySubber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWhat time is it?โ......while continually looking for a clock that doesnโt exist.....
ENTphonehome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis is a bad dreamโ
thelastbraun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail. Is a cake walk as long as ur not in lobe with someone or have a habit.
brewtown138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am totally fucked.
WhoresAndWhiskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully not an unwanted penis.
PixelatedFractal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck"
StopTheDamnTrainCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck
Bishoop47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not a Prison Thought, as I've never been locked up, but I'm just thinking "How many people here are defaulting to the American prison society when the commenters could have been in say, a scandinavian prison." Vastly different, mostly just boredom and deprivation.
thedarklord187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well this sucks and its cold and im bored.
6memesupreme9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to jail for about 7 hours maybe? Got a DWI and the whole experience is absolutely terrible. After changing into the prison clothes, got a blanket and put in a cell. I slept through most of it until woken up for breakfast and to make a call, thankfully I got out right then because the next day they take you to a larger holding area that is overflowing with people (From what I heard).
The dude's in my cell seemed alright. We talked for a bit, about what we were in here for etc, I remember the cell smelling like cat piss and just feeling miserable. There was a little tv that we could see outside the bars and that was on the entire time which is really annoying while trying to sleep. I remember thinking about who is going to take care of my dogs if i stay in too long and seriously it changes how you think of EVERYTHING. You can go to jail so quick and shit can go from bad to worse if youre unlucky.
The worst thing is being on bail and needing to report every month, the amount of constant stress until you go to court is something I wouldnt wish on anyone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How boring it was.
monkeywhopoops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My career is soo fucked
technomancing_monkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Bubbas rape stick
Mentalfloss1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1) Itโs hot in here. (Summer in The Dalles, Oregon). 2) The food is awful, but edible. 3) Itโs crowded
whatsnormal91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a job is going to suck
notjustinmyhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where is my Pillow?
Specterswag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, this is Gunna suck.
Citizen_Spaceball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was only in the can for 24 hours because of a DUI. I was definitely scared. Never had a cavity search before, that was a little uncomfortable. But when I got to my cell - an octagon-shaped, concrete-walled room with about 8 beds and a toilet and sink opposite the cell door - I fell right to sleep. When I woke up, it was around 6pm - the 24 hours starts in the afternoon - and someone brought us some food. While I ate, I talked with one of my cell mates a little bit. There was another guy that kept to himself, but the one I was talking to seemed okay. He had a lot of tattoos and had been in jail before. When they picked up our trays, we got back to watching cable in silence. There wasn't much else on, so we watched 13 Going On 30. The next 18 hours or so was pretty boring - reading, watching cable, taking a nap, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIโm sure dressed wrong.โ
I went to jail during spring break when fluorescent colors were in. Got picked up for criminal mischief and MIP. I was wearing a white tank top with loud fluorescent design, and flimsy fluorescent red Umbro soccer shorts with flip-flops.
builder2k13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bewilderment. Fear. Bravado. I was 17 at the time
Baireid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont lay on your belly if you dont know your celly.
primarybs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail : Who do I know that can get me out of here the fastest??
Prison : What is my "out date"?/ How long until my commissary day??
SFWsosa93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to give some cool answer to this but honestly all I could think of was how to get my mom to bail me out. (Spoilers: I couldn't) The second time there was a lot of resentment as I had been out on Bond and when I went in to my sentencing date I thought I wasn't going to be going in, but the judge surprised me with a 6 month sentence so all I could think about was how the life I had built up since my last time in was completely over. The third time was just a lot of self hate for landing myself in there again, I knew I was only going to be in for a couple months but I was still just really disappointed in myself for screwing my life up AGAIN.
Fun anecdote though, my first time going in I was on a paddy wagon with some guys who had been there before and this one kid was kind of showing me the ropes on our way from the courthouse. When we pulled in the driveway I remember seeing what I thought was the jail and asking something like "so that's it huh?" To which he replied that the building I was seeing was just the smaller level 2 prison which was a part of the same facility as the county jail. I'm from a small town in Connecticut so our county jail doubles as a level 4 prison which houses lifers in with the unsentenced drug addicts and petty theives, so the building is pretty big. So when we rounded the corner and made our way up the hill this huge ugly gray monster of a prison came into view on the horizon and the kid I was talking to literally said to me "Welcome to the big house." I'll never forget that feeling of awe and terror.
Cheefnuggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was nervous at first after moving from intake into a gen pop pod. Intake sucks because they basically dehumanize you looking for drugs and cleaning you. That scene where Emmy rossum goes through intake in shameless is fairly accurate.
After that it was mostly my bunk mate and I just hanging out and shooting the shit. There are some guys who wanna walk around and act tough but usually the older guys keep them in check. I was barely an 18 year old kid and was only there for like a week but it feels like way longer because without clear view of the sun you lose your concept of time a bit. I pretty much just read books the whole time and then we watched crime dramas and football on Sunday if we were good.
I got lucky though. My bunkie was a cool, older dude who was in there indefinitely. He had a long, drawn out murder case because he killed someone while high. You wouldnโt believe it though because he was the nicest guy. He helped me learn the ropes and took me under his wing so I got the things I needed and he gave me a bunch of long talks that I needed to hear as a teen fuck up. Interesting experience for sure.
And that was the last time I went to jail. There were others but only over nights and they arenโt as fun.
Havenโt been back since. Fuck that shit. Xanax is a medication kids, not a toy.
Mike_hunt_hurtz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent 1 weekend, when I made it to general population I thought.. what a dumbfuck look what you did
SethRogen-Not ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably doesn't count, but I went to the tank for a night. All I could think about was that I had to piss but couldn't because there were some very unsavory and sketchy motherfuckers in there I didn't want to turn my back on, much less pull my dick out in front of.
bornfrustrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Booking was funny because I was still drunk. They don't like jokers. Obviously, I made jokes on my way out. The part that stuck with me was the guy trying to look out the window, which was impossible, and just wanted a view of the outside. Gave him a fist bump on my way out.
SupremeCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Making a reply post, brb
The_Sloth_Racer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been locked up in jail but it was only a few times for short periods of time while waiting for a court date.
Joliet_Jake_Blues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The food sucks.
aleqxander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For real! i get my own playstation (I live in Norway)
burtra12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jails in Norway are better than most apartments in other countries. I hate you guys.
Nynm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously?
Grawstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was just the realization of how much I had screwed up, and there was no way out t of it but time. The feeling of being trapped in a place and not being able to leave was one of the realest feelings I had ever experienced.
JudasChristBananas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally, โWhat fresh hell is this?โ
I read that in a book or saw it in some movie when I was younger and because I was in there for a narcotics-drug charge I was going though some pretty heavy withdrawals and my mind kept playing only painful memories on a loop and that phrase kept cycling back. I was 18 the first time I went in so pretty I was worried about how long I was going to be in jail and hoping I could talk my way out of a felony/prison time. Usually thereโs a 3 strike rule but the cop who arrested me thought heโd be saving my life if he could get me off the streets by charging me for 3 times for the same felony at once. Iโm female so I didnโt necessarily have to worry about the sexual harassment aspect (though I was pretty shocked at the โlesbianโ culture that develops so openly when there are no males around, girls who look like boys are coveted for partners). My main concern was trying not to get on my unitโs bad side by throwing up all over the pod. Female jail/prison is community style living, cells are only for higher security inmates, so I had to worry about keeping my physical illness to myself. Also... food. From day one I thought about good, real food. AZ jails are notorious for only giving inmates the bare minimum when it comes to a meal- literal slop.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was put in a cell with 3 homeless guys who all smelled awful and talked non stop about absolutely nothing... First thought in my head was "is that a bologna sandwich sitting on top of a water fountain that doubles as a toilet...?" Then a dude got up, took a shit, took a sip from the fountain, and went to sleep. I haven't been back since.
Capn_max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a night in the drunk tank for underage drinking, trespassing on private property and, my favorite charge, loitering and prowling at night.
I was in the drunk tank with 12 other dudes. One guy was a dui, the other 11 all got drunk and beat their girlfriends. Really showed me who I was being associated with and that holy fuck a lot of people assault women. This was back in 2012.
iceninethemad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God this is so boring.
StrokerAce77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I need to find a safe attitude
NDoilworker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it's cold in here
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At 18, I spent four days in jail for possession before getting bailed out and later serving probation. I literally slept for the first 36 hours.
burlinbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. I'm fucked
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hungry
You can't call tap tap (get my spot back) in jail, bro
What do you mean I can't bring my prescribed non narcotic meds and you won't prescribe them because drug users abuse them? Even if they wanted them, I'd have to cheek a pill 10x (fake taking it) so they can sleep for 30 mins.
God, I just shaved off all my pubes! How embarrasing!
This is in a jail that RARELY had drugs before and is now equipped with a full body scanner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should of had a [Serious] tag.
GxPand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When that door closes the first time it's the loniest moment of your life.
italianjesuspete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โMy life sucksโ kept repeating in my head and wondering what other guys were in for
Mr_Fitzgibbons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"fuck... This place"
TrivialAntics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was crazy stressed about possibly losing my girlfriend, kinda worried about the crazy, huge dude in the cell down the end of the block. I was also hungry as fuck and hadn't eaten anything in like 8 hours.
ElliotGrant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The water was going to be cold as fuck.
Turns out, it was.
Cicerothethinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"when you go to prison, the most important thing in yo life is gonna be booty. A man's but, getting some booty is more important than eating food. More important than drinking water. If I see a man I like I tell him like this here. I likes ya, and I wants ya, now we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way. The choice is yaws." - Fleece Johnson AKA the BOOTY WARRIOR
dedrick427 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm bored"
Monkeypulssse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A little fear but mostly relief.
Erethiel117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โThis withdrawal is gonna suck ass.โ
lucky7test ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check afterprison show on YouTube. Really informative.
Makbn2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought holy shit Iโm a target, murderers, drug dealers, all kinds of people, I was in for impaired driving. I wasnโt involved in a crash or anything just my third strike. They messed up and put me in with the crazies, spent a couple days till they called me to see a lady doing paper work, she noticed I was in the wrong block. Moved me ASAP that was the best part about the experience.
nation198 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When i was 19, being transported from that dungeon-ass county jail I was in, where I knew most everyone and was related to half of em, to Lexington, Oklahoma A & R was intense. My stomach dropped at the first sight of that MILES AND MILES of razor wire, shiny and glinting in the sunlight, like, "Fuuuuuuck." Shit got serious
pm_me_ur_fat_titz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day wasn't as bad as it is in movies. I got in, immediately showed to a cell. No bars just thick glass and door. Looked around and just kinda laughed. Didn't know what else to think but "shit. This is my life for the next several months..."
Thinking about what I've seen in movies didn't help at all. Kept thinking someones gonna mess with me and I'm going to have to fight the first day. But in reality most people just keep to themselves. They already have a hard time they don't want to make it worse.
Was made easier when I found out I was in the same place as a few of the guys from the neighborhood and others I knew from school. So by the end of the day I kinda thought of it as like a summer camp type of deal. Even included the one guy trying to make people laugh and the other guy crying.
druliet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I am never going to get out of here". No but seriously.
I was arrested for possession of marijuana but they threw in a felony as well because I hid my drugs (badly). I was taken to the station & placed in the psych ward. I have really bad anxiety & I think it showed but I don't remember crying, screaming or acting strange. They put me in a cell alone which scared me the most. Even AFTER my dad had posted bail & assured me I would be out in 2 hours, I thought I would be stuck forever. Logic wasn't working for me in the slightest. Other inmates assured me I would be out soon but I didn't believe them. Also lots of the women seemed to like me, not sure why.
This was in my crazy days & I don't have extreme paranoia like that anymore. However, I have an irrational (but not really irrational) fear of prison/cops.
fartsAndEggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
0mmmmmm
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i wish i had food and cigarettes .. also fuck my life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to not be the first to break down so someone doesn't lose their cigarettes
walla_13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnโt risk even going to sick call for an injury because I was so worried about getting sick from someone there. The idea of being held back for six months just to do another six again seemed like hell. Finished BCT with a stress fracture in my hip.
Mandalorianfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looks at OP's username... he already knows
kiesouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Okay it's only 3 months head down, time will fly."
first phone call "HOLY FUCK I MISS MY DAUGHTER"
DaddyB0d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a night in jail.
My dominant thought: "I hope I get out before I need to take a shit"
blackhippy92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For sure all of what everyone else said wrong first. How to protect myself, how fucked up a system it was, what my family would think, etc.
But one thing I guarantee goes through your head, as it went through mine, is locked up by akon. No joke. Both times lol.
Roc112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So a lot to consider. For example going to prison depends on several factors. Is it state or federal? Is it Maximum security, Max-Med, Medium, Low, summer camp. What state is the prison in? Texas and Georgia still have hard labor. Any who. Before sentencing one can spent a mind breaking time in county jail. About 80% of all county jails are about 95% worst then most "Prison". Simply because you are housed with petty ruthless prisoners that will be out fairly soon. Hence once you are certain what the charges are, most inmates will predict your sentence within a reasonable time frame. So after a while living with a constant intake of society finest fuck ups. Most prisoners will gladly be shipped to said prison. Especially if there are conjugal visit. If you are a known snitch or done any rape to any child of woman yeah the above those not apply but then there is PC AKA Punk City AKA Protective Custody. Prison Shiiiiiiit...... At least then you have a out date. Peace.
dtsupra30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You stupid fucking piece of shit
YolandiVissarsBF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day i was pretty distressed. The next few arrests removed me of any anxiety and more of a fear of boredom
THEONEBLUE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god Iโll get out tomorrow.
sashatwister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First thought, "those lying bastards set me up!" Second, "Oh just wait til I get out this bitch"
But after they lied and had me arrested they came and got me out after a few hours. This happened on Fort Sam Houston.
Now ex boyfriend and his mom lied to the MP's about a fight THEY had so I was put in handcuffs and taken away. I had just turned 18, pregnant, and 1000 miles from everything I knew. It was rough.
HobbyHobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"You mean Since my underwear and socks don't match the other prisoners....i don't get to wear Underwear and socks!?!?". I made sure to leave skid marks in my pants...
It was fucking chilly in that place too. Also, food was terrible. Was lucky and only did a day. Still no fun and put things into perspective.
zoosquares2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where's my McDonald's?
BudgetBaller41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't get raped." "Don't get raped." "Dear God please don't get raped."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People in jail also use reddit? Huh?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except in really extreme cases like for intentional murder, serial killers, rapists etc, I've never really believed in locking someone up in a cell and preventing them from really living. It's inhumane.
beckydr123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:27 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it's not intentional, it's not murder (more like manslaughter)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you get what I mean :P
beckydr123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course โบ
yahsowhatbutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fear.
eggsaladactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty claustrophobic so the first day was just calming myself down and trying to keep my mind busy about things outside of where I was. The next 29 days was just boredom and eating shitty food. Luckily I was only in jail. Did get moved around a few times. Half of the time was spent at some really shitty jails and the other half weren't super over crowded and it made it a bit easier. I mostly kept to myself and never had any issues. That first breath of fresh air while being uncuffed was something I will never forget.
jerrysprunger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first night I went to jail for a dui. The drunk tank (cell where they hold all the guys coming down) was so overfilled, there was a guy sleeping right by the toilet and I would have to literally piss right over his head. Than I started thinking things could always be worse.
LTTelamonn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, this is really happening
potatoman888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I I just man I shouldn't of stolen that pen
progressthefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When am I getting out? No one ever told me until I actually got out 5 days later...
Gangbangsters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sucks, it smells, this motherfucker won't shut up. When am I gonna get out of here?
killerhurtalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not a real hard jail, but just a County/City jail for 24 hours.
Was talking to a few other inmates (one homeless, one taken for parol violation, one was a murderer) and they all seemed pretty level headed people that just fucked up bad.
Overall though, I was just bored as hell and waiting to get out... I don't know how people survive for years in here without any kind of stimulation....
xombae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This is so much better than my life outside of jail and I hope they don't release me"
startup_guy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why?
xombae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested because I stabbed my boyfriend, who was 15 years older than me (I was 22 I think) and was horribly physically and mentally abusive. We were addicted to heroin and living in one of Vancouver's SRO's (single room occupancy), that are at the time considered the worst place to live in all of Canada.
I was released a week or so later, I thought I was finally rid of him but he was there at the court house to pick me up, and even testified saying he wanted me released.
In jail I was away from him. There were amazing women who took care of me and sympathized with me for the first time ever. I had a warm bed and three meals a day. It felt like heaven.
startup_guy2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
damn, how are you doing now a days?
xombae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 26 now, off heroin and far away from him. I have PTSD but I actually really happy and have made some great friends. Luckily the government appointed lawyer who took my case was an actual angel and made sure I didn't have to go back to jail (could have been a hefty sentence) even though I told him I wanted to go back. It's crazy how much a few years can change a person hahah, it feels like a lifetime ago that this all happened, not four years.
startup_guy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:08 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
glad to hear!
Symmiie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Well shit"
944tim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'gee, I have never met so many innocent people in my life.'(according to them)
Darksecretbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god Iโm only here for two days cause this shit is brutal.
RainbowTroutKillas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a whole other part to this story (prequel) but to answer the question....
I got arrested at 3am on a Saturday hammered drunk. I was 19 at the time. The police brought me to the Remand Center (jail). It was probably almost 4am by the time we got to my unit, we walk up the stairs to my cell, which I would be sharing with someone. He tells me to open up the door and go in....
Now for some reason, I figured the door was spring loaded like a typical store front door....... NOPE
Door SLAMS into the wall, buddy was on the bottom bunk and wakes up and looks right at me. All I can think is "Oh fuck". To make things worst, as I climbed onto my bunk, I saw a small square package on the table that was red with white lettering... I couldn't read exactly what it said, but first thought was LifeStyle Condoms..... Great. Now I have just woken up my cell mate in the middle of the night, he has to be pushing 300lbs. I'm pushing 130lbs soaking wet.
So morning arrives, I feel like shit all hung over, I peak over to the table to check out the "condom" - turns out its Folgers Coffee packets.
Now all I wanna do is call someone. I wasn't able to make a fucking phone call till 1:30. pm
So i start walking to make a phone call in the row a payphones. Well as I'm walking there some dude is just taking all the phones off the hook and letting them hang... I asked if I can use it, and he points upstairs and says " you have to ask him"
Buddy was in the fucking shower and apparently owns all the phones.... so he gave me a thumbs up, I called my mommy and she bailed me out.
Called in sick to work on Monday, and enjoyed my freedom. Holy fuck is freedom nice
FuckyouMrCrowley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is shit. What kind of nasty food do i have to eat and when can i sleep.
throwaway996987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first day I went to county, I was in shock because Iโd never been arrested. But through the whole intake process o was just super on guard and anxious. And once I got to my cell I just thought โfuckโ. I paced around and got familiar with the views and tried to sleep but didnโt sleep at all the first night. That was about all I was feeling for the first 24 hours
imadethisfirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cops don't care about shit. Also have been to a psych ward and a psych ward for violent offenders. Both for attempted suicide, and that was somehow worse than my couple nights in jail
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man. There are a lot of drunks in here. I was arrested for public intoxication and was put in the drunk tank.
ididitallforthememes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:40 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail and prison are very very different things though.
hbdubs11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
7 months in city jail with federal inmates as well. Suburban white kid. So many stories. First day? Holy shit thank God I know rap lyrics.
GlitterAndShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail for a night. College party. First thought was "huh, this is what it's like". Second thought was me debating if I should wake up the lady who was using the only roll of toilet paper as a pillow because I had to pee.
I_Dont_Know_Dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Everyone in here except me is junkie... Their blood is probably tainted and contagious... If I get in a fight I'll stomp the guys head with my heel... If the guy dies I'll never get out."
Zafriti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ate better my one day in jail than I did as a poor college student. Chicken Stir-Fry with greens beans, carrots, a soft roll, and some sweet tea! Yum! Although sleeping on a pad on the floor because the jail was overcrowded wasn't fun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did your college offer a meal plan?
Zafriti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't afford the meal plan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zafriti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently this one didn't get the memo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I went to jail for a day for beating on my ex. Let me tell you it was boring in there. Never again
kirtthenarrator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was only for a day and it was only for bond. I did what I did best and made other guys laugh. My first thought was, why is it so cold in here?
GrumpyPants-666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to speak unless spoken to.
Mynameiszany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Woke up In detox in a drunken/hungover stupor with a snapped collar bone and all I could think about is what the fuck had happened the night before....because I had no memory at all
Timealude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is going to fucking kill me.
zombies8urbrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably get buried but I can tell you that being a chick and going to jail is a shitty time. I was in the "detox ward" even though I was just in there for a violation of probation (I fucked around and didn't do any of my stuff I was suppose to and I gave my probation officer attitude. I was stupid and 19" But you are kept in your cell for 23hrs a day and let out for an hour. I was shoved into a cell with 2 other women. My first night I got there I had to sleep on the floor. The second night I was able to sleep in the bunk bed. I cried the whole time because I looked young so the other women would shout shit at me. I am no "hard ass" by any means...I was an emo kid that was raised in a rich white suburbia. Things went in prospective for me REAL quick. I realized at that moment it was time to turn things around...and I did. Trust me jail is a HUGE wake up call. I spent 5 days in there but it felt like a century
thedawnofmorning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where my son(2ym) was.
I had no choice but to leave him with my half snapped sister or call child services(which I knew was a much more terrifying option). I gave my sister my son's father's number and told her to get a hold of him until then and try to get sober.
Turns out my sons dad took a day to get there, at which point my son was being passed from household to household until my mom heard what happened and tracked him down. Then his dad showed up an hour after my mom found him.
(My offenses were committed 5-6 years prior, these weren't decisions being made while I was a mother.)
restless_and_bored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"When was the last time I shit?.....oh no , I have to shit!"
zombiefatcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Prison Mike! You know why they call me Prison Mike?!
TheBarbarion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:13 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm going to be hung over as hell in the morning"
Kanaraketti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWow, thereโs way too many people in here for weed.โ
capricerider901x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get locked up in Memphis tn. You get sent to 201. Worst jail I been in. 24 hours to process in, 24 hours to process out. Overcrowded conditions. Standard hard as hell chairs. Half the of the folks are cool while other half are crazy. If u do get locked up don't get sent to the 4th floor. There is a reason propaganda pat said 4th floor bound man.
Istoleapot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went for 17 hours on my 24th birthday.
"Shit it's fucking cold in here."
Psyclipz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:24 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After spending the weekend in a police cell and court on Monday, I just wanted to get to my cell have some food, a cigarette, a bit of TV and then get some sleep. In the morning I'll think about how bad I've fucked up.
Rocktimus_Prime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Well... Fuck."
kapu_koa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm going to die here."
This was when I finally made it from holding to general population. I was in uniform in holding (long, shitty story about how I wasnt supposed to be there), and this dude asked if i had just got back from "eye-rack". I told him i had recently, and he started asking if i killed anyone. I said that's not something you ask people and he starts yelling "you did! You killed them sand-niggers. Got them niggers good!" There's about thirteen people in holding, All six black guys are suddenly staring icy death at me while i try to slide down the bench and distance myself.
We get to gen pop and all the cells are full, people are laying on their mats on the floor of the common room. I'm looking atound for a place to call my own when Mr. Eye-rack starts shoving people with his feet and loudly yelling "move! Move your ass! This man's a hero! Give him room! He's a killer. Move!" All while pointing my way. Cue all eyes on me. And the first full thought i had. I'm going to die here.
illu2303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AfterPrisonShow detailed his thoughts pretty well in his videos
sketchyduck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:29 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn it's so fucking hot. 130 degrees in Texas prison.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:35 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give me some chon chon!
silent_fungus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chinga tu Madre!
You want me to take it from you, eh? Puto!
bigjeeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I didnโt stay, I remember the sound of the door closing and the locking bolts clunk into place and immediately felt claustrophobic.
I was in the Marine Corps and one of my Marines was standing trial for child porn. After the trial was over i had to escort him to prison. When you escort someone to prison you have a โhealth responsibilityโ. Meaning you follow them all through the check in process all the way up to the cell. Then the guard takes the file from you adds the new paperwork and walks you out. I didnโt stay but when we got to the cell one inmate asked what he was there for, the guard responded, โchild porn.โ The inmate came back quickly with, โoooh Iโm gunna have fun with this one.โ On the way out the guard informed me that child stuff is the one thing that no one is ok with in there. You could rap, beat and murder one of there moms and it wouldnโt be as bad as child porn.
humbleprotector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was given a pair of flip flops. Except one was a size 5 and the other was a size 14. I laughed because my heel hung over the small one, and the large one was SUPER LARGE.
Then I looked at the feet of the guy next to me and he was wearing 2 left flip flops. "Do I Have to find the guy wearing the ones i need and try and negotiate a trade?
WhovianMoak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I wish acid wore off quicker."
kevingharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:00 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first I was freaking out because they weren't giving me my anti seizure medicine and they had me in a room full of hard surfaces and sharp edges. So I decided the best way to protect myself would be to sleep (less likely to seize if I'm asleep) in the middle of the room (farthest from those sharp edges). Then I realized how much I needed sleep and started to really enjoy myself. Thanks to some confusion, I ended up staying nearly a week when it should have been three days, and they got my meds sorted before I actually had a seizure, but I just kept sleeping and left super well rested.
BestValet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Well that wasn't worth it."
trinisk8er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โHoly shit, Iโm a bird in a cage.โ
Itโs an eye opening experience when you realize you no longer have any control over the most simple things.
Mongoreg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So these are my peers now, what a fucking loser.
TheJoffinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:20 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
" I really need to poop, but there's 20 people in the day area and I can't go while anybody watches " ( runs upstairs to cell to poop ) " Damnit, my roomy is taking a nap and I'm not shitting next to him ". Rinse and repeat for 5 days.......
Quackman2096 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWow, I should do some push-upsโ
โWow, I should do some sit-upsโ
TheAnonymousScripter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My Cousin: "I swear to god I don't wanna get raped"
JMakesMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing that went through my mind?
โfuck.โ
Satanicucklibtard666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First time in you probably won't shit for days. Seriously hard to shit and face a room full of strangers.
suzicash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:51 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sandwich sucks
warmappraisal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I DONE FUCKED UP
mbelf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:31 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cellmate
mattblom03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:17 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck...
joy4874 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: "LOLZ...DICK"
IceburgSlimk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:44 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
60 Days In explains it perfectly. Intake is the worst part.
IzThisMyLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:01 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail not prison. Most women were cool. We had fun. Some bitches are crazy. I told myself not to get too friendly because even the cool ones might loose their shit later.
It's amazing how much I procrastinate on the outside but when you're in there all you think about is the millions of things you're supposed to be doing and how fucked you're going to be. Then the anxiety sets in because you can't call anyone right away to tell them to take care of shit for you. Will they even do it?
Then you make a mental list of what's important and practice what your going to say on your first phone call. End up explaining yourself mostly about what happened and never get to give them your list if things to do.
Also fingered a hot chic on my first night. We got freaky. She made me cum.
When the bitches weren't fighting. It was mostly like a slumber party. But much scarier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The sooner I am here the sooner I am out. There was this horrible prison book that floated around the dorm. I cannot recall the name but in it there was a saying. "The fastest way is the longest." This prisoner was trying to escape and the further he got the smaller the hole for him to escape. When he got towards the end he seen that saying. So, for me it was there is no other way than to do time than each day.
Mr_IsLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A bbc
ignezio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to die was pretty strong thought I had.
Dontinquire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weekender here, for a dui back in 09. The one and only prevailing thought...
BOORRRREEEEEEDDDDDDDD
siteburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any sackett books? I have them all on audible. Slowly getting through them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not a long stint but where I lived at the time there wasn't a women's facility, so they take you to the men's and you stay overnight til the next day transport out to the womens. They left me in the intake where I was gawked at by the men coming in/prisoners tasked with "mopping" (they mopped outside my plexiglass window for at least an hour) I got no toilet paper and was almost in full view of the male prisoners when I had to use the toilet, except for a very short cement barrier. That being said, I much preferred the men's jail because I got my own cell and nobody bothered me. The women's sucks, they force you to socialize and knit hats for babies. I don't even know how to knit. Poor baby that got my hat.
Ahliver_Klozzoph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:26 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"jail/prison"
Which one?
Which time??
jessh90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm taking a nap
thelvislives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well, im pretty sure i wont have to kill anyone after all.
Memphissmoke901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Welp, time to go to sleep." I only had to do a 24 hour stay.
callum6078 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I wonder who I have to fight soon as I walk on range. .. oh yup this guy cracking his knuckles "
oldschoolfl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:55 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This place smells like soap. I wonder how soon I can get my TV? I wonder what day canteen is? If I stay out of trouble for 3 years I'll go to minimum security.
quadcarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How am I going to escape with all these dementors flying around?
soushin5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:58 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I'm bored and I already took a nap.
Dewrdman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:38 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Closest thing I've got was a night in the drunk tank. I remember my first thought was "Jesus fuck it stinks in here"
GlazedDonutGloryHole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First time was just thinking to myself that I hope I don't puke all over the other fellas in holding. Second time I was in solitary for 24 hours due to gen pop being overbooked and I was just trying not to die of boredom. I had one blanket, a hole in the ground to pee in, and a concrete slab to sleep on.
First offense was for public intox while walking home from a party. Second time I was at a party and two of the seven people there were 20 years old. I still had my receipt for the beer and I was charged with providing alcohol to minors.
karatelemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:21 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I better start making plans of how not to die
CelestiallySeasoned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was young, but I was really surprised that there were no guards watching the area where I was locked up. I was like "oh you're just going to drop me in here with these other guys and lock the door?".
Later in prison the lockup areas were more monitored, but they also had more prisoners. So there were about 2 guards for 90 inmates in prison, which was a lot more than zero guards for about a dozen inmates in county.
Edit: also I was wondering when I would get anything, like a toothbrush or blanket. As I recall your didn't get anything at first, you waited for someone to get out to get a mat or whatever. Eventually I got a spoon and cup and blanket, and then some basic toiletries later.
homoaIexuaI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well when I arrived in the holding there was a guy almost a foot taller than me and he had about 100lbs on me (Iโm 6โ2, 175) and well he was super intimidating. Well turns out he was the nicest guy lmao he taught me how to make toilet paper dice and we just played dice a ton. I was only there for a little over a week but it wasnโt as bad as I expected but wouldnโt like to be stuck in there for years.
Also spent about a month in juvie before this as I was still a kid and it was for petty crimes (stealing mostly) and gotta say juvie was just about the same, just try to keep a schedule and you should be fine. I lucked out with a corner cell by myself so I didnโt have to deal with a roomie lol.
Treblax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
P0p0
WM_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:23 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went to visit one and I just thought I was happy I knew I would get out of there in 10 minutes.
The_Police11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All the inmates started yelling about fish and this fatass in the cell next to me started crying so the biggest guard beat the shit out of him.
SuspiciousAgent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The planning how could I update my status with a selfie in jail on my Reddit Post Karma.
Sir_paddles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That those were the best waffles I'd had in a grip.
LoPhatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Escape, plain and simple.
kauaiboydm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dope!...
mrtrump_2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They gave me someone elseโs withdrawal meds by mistake. Spent the first day in a blessed stupor.
Lacteal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:05:57 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't drop the soap."
MAE303233 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:56 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not me but my brother. We grew up in a big gang city in jersey (Camden) My brother got sucked and did 6 years for drug
He told me his first night he didnโt sleep at all because he had been told his bunkie was known for rape. He said the showers sucked and the food was worse. He spent about 4 months in county before going to prison.
His first night in prison he saw a guy get killed and have his eyes ripped out. He said he was scared shitless He ended up making it okay came home and ended up killing a guy Heโs now serving 15 years Has 13 more to go He says all he thinks about now is his daughter
We took her in when he got locked up and her mom is a addict and is MIA She is 2 and is my life now lol Parents are working on adopting her
Jakeiownyou123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on March 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you killed your brother and were sent to live in a foster system?
Middledick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:28 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail for 48 hours for not paying a parking ticket on time (got the dates mixed up. Stupid of me). Luckily/Unluckily I was sick so I was put in iso for my stay. 48 hours felt like a week. It was a great experience in regards that it made me never want to go back. Iโm 19 and in school so doing my time made me never want to go back and I live life a whole lot more carefully now.
opp0rtunist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm finally free of my stalker!"
I went to jail because I faked my death. I had a stalker that was ruining my life and after one night that he tried to kill me I decided to fake my death to escape the hell I was living in.
This person continued harassing my friends and family and I ultimately returned. Turns out the police doesn't like it when you fake your death and they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to find you.
NotoriousDCJ4310 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:15 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My initial thought was hopefully i can go 3 months without talking to anyone. Ended up meeting some decent people though
GrandMasterBen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle was in prison in a foreign country for some bad shit. Thing is he was just about to get out, too. He had a job offer and it was all gonna work out. Anyway, his first couple nights he got poisoned by some inmate. He stayed up the whole night drinking, pissing, vomiting and everything he could to clean out his system. Now heโs a metalworker, and heโs doing great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail over night, only 10 hours but I was 18 at the time and shitting myself. Not much went through my head that night (4pm until 2am when I was let go with a caution). It was horrible. I tore apart toilet paper and used my meat stew dinner (I'm vegetarian) to make playing cards so I could pass the time with solitair. The officer seemed pretty chuffed when he came to take me out and saw what I had done. This is obviously no where near as bad as most stories, but as a (nearly) innocent teenager stuck in a cell over night it stuck with me. I could hear the men in the cells all around me, well into the night. 0/10 not even good with rice.
traceyh415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:25 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am really going to have to strip naked in front of all these strangers. It's not just the COs. Everyone sees you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was the strip search like? What do they make you do step by step?
TheQinDynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail time sounds pretty chill after reading these posts.
RealSchon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt be the only one who is fantasizing about going to jail because of this thread. Not for a long time though, but Iโd like to see itโs like for a couple days or at least until the omg-new-place (bad) smell wears off.
magikalnerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:04 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I appreciate all the kind encouragement.
bigdaddypimpilicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:53 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering if it would feel better if I suck the balls or just lick them.
gwlemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:33 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got it from a depo. Officer chompy is only slightly better. For those of you interested look up "Flex Your Rights". Pretty good info. Survival of a meaningful constitution depends on you!
BigOhmTitties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this
charlesh4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:27 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I got my DUI I spent 4 days in jail..... I didn't shit for 4 days lmfao.
erikacrayva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:31 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Llll
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:48 on February 28, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did they make you do for the strip search?
ukmanland94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:52 on April 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, as I know some of you on this feed have been in jail I need some help. My friend has just been sentenced and sent to jail and Iโm writing him a letter however I donโt really know what to include to make him feel better. Can anyone give me some help or tell me what you enjoyed receiving from your friends and family when inside. Much appreciated
kbeyonce4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:23 on April 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โMy moms gonna fucking kill meโ
โI hate myself for getting into this situationโ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:35 on July 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
THIS IS NOTHING LIKE ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK
No joke. I was terrified.
AlterEdits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:42 on July 29, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in jail for a bit.
Honestly itโs not bad at all. You get to hear other peopleโs stories and why they are there. I was a kid still pretty much just turned 18 and got arrested for something dumb and didnโt belong there. Most guys there understood and were hella cool with me giving me all the ins and outs of being there and how itโs gonna be. Found myself trading food and shit for some stuff they saved up themselves. Everyone in there are typically pretty down to earth depending on the situation. Needed to take a shower the first night there and some dude let me borrow his shampoo lol. Itโs was pretty dope.
Saw one fight and it was only because one dude dared this weird ass guy to throw another inmates bunk off the second floor. My god there was a lot of blood. Seemed like it was all cool afterwards. Tbh not all that bad. But then again it was a county jail with a bunch a dudes serving minor to moderate times in jail with minor to moderate infractions. Considering I was charged with an assault 4 at the time (donโt worry it got dropped to a misdemeanor currently serving in the army all is good) im not all too sure what other kinda dudes were in there with me lol. But if youโre being sent there. Donโt be worried. Just be chill and open to having convos with people.
CreeDorofl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing a ton of jail experiences, no prison ones so far. Prison and jail are used synonymously but (I hear) they're two very different experiences.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jail is short term, prison is years
CreeDorofl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, going to prison is the most stressful thing you can experience, literally more stressful than going to war, because at least in war you're surrounded by buddies who are in the same boat. Prison can feel like you're alone and everyone around you is your enemy and you can be hurt or raped or killed over anything. Jail is full of minor offenders mostly, unlucky guys on weed charges. Prison is full of actual killers.
Just felt the need to point out to op you wouldn't write write "jail/prison" any more than you'd write "sprained/amputated".
testtubesnailman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very different.
grantrunyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got thrown in a drunk tank with one very intoxicated guy. 10 seconds in he asked me if I wanted to fight. I did not Want to.
So after whooping his ass and then getting tased (sp?) and then getting tied to a chair for about a 2 hours I was moved to "housing." Big black guy walked up to me and said "Hi, you look a little out of place." He was super nice and knew just about everyone in the cell. I think there were between 20-25 people.
So I start"integrating." I study the room and the people. These guys ALL looked and acted like they JUST got off the streets. I gained some interesting perspective.
These guys were fed 100% processed foods everyday. Margarine in everything. Artificial, enriched, preserved, colored and flavored. All these guys were gaining weight just like all my girls here in San Antonio.
No fruit, all the veggies (carrots or green beans 1x/day) spiked with margarine.
On the outside these guys all smoked cigarettes and most chose meth. Weed is illegal here. It's on probation and job drug test panels.
What these guys needed was real food and less chemicals. The natural stuff was inaccessible to them (they didn't have a clue what proper nutrition looks like).
autotomylollygag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A black cock
Fritener ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A large man's penis?
ImemokidGtav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a prison going on three years, I remember my first day before training we did a tour. And I witnessed so much weird shit. I remember being straight terrified. What am I doing here, why did I pick this job, this doesnโt happen at mc Donaldโs god damn it. Now I enjoy my work. I help a lot of people. When starting I remember thinking โthis is scum of society and I should treat them as suchโ ( I know not what you should think but just honest thoughts) now โthese are truly damaged people who have potential to still do good in the worldโ ex. They donated money to Texas after floods, and raise money for unprivileged childrenโs birthdays. Shit touches ya heart.
magikalnerd ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest, I was mad I got caught. I was angry because I knew I had been lazy and didn't follow by the rules that I had established. In June of 2015 my husband and I were raided in our home and arrested for selling heroin. We were each sentenced with 18 mo in prison and 36 mo parole. Prior to that day we had never been arrested and no criminal record. I'm not going to elaborate on how we ended up in that situation (unless requested), but I will say that in my oppinion our country mixes up medical issues with legal ones. I don't feel that we are "bad" people or that we deserve to be concidered criminals. So in all honesty, the first day in jail was thinking about how I should have been more careful. The second realization was that I was going to have to detox in jail. I had no idea what I was in for, but I had heard plenty of horror stories. Unfortunately, my experiance only validated what others had told me. I do plan on writting the whole story down some day because I think most of the population has no clue what goes on in the justice system. Whats worse is most people don't want to know. They figure the legal system put them in jail for a reason, what happens to them after that is there own damn fault. I know that prison/jail isn't supposed to be fun, but after meeting other people who were incarcerated with me I just don't feel as thought the punishments are fitting the "crimes". A huge magority of us were there for non-violent drug offences and were treated and housed with the violent and abusive inmates.
HoboCodes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna hear it all
Hkaddict ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:23:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try explaining this to the families of people who have died from overdoses. I don't think you will get much sympathy, I know you sure don't from me. One less drug dealer on the streets is good for everyone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed! What would be better would be to decriminalize all drugs - yes, all - like Portugal. They have had spectacular results.
IchooseLonk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:24:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your opinions are very short sighted and blatantly ignores the reality of the world, why people buy, use, and abuse drugs. You should try becoming a bit more informed before making such stupid comments
Hkaddict ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:53:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up on a reservation where drug use ran rampant. My father, uncles, aunts, cousins, even my mother and sister have dealt with severe substance abuse issues. I understand very clearly the social, economic, political and even sometimes spiritual issues that drive a person to use drugs. It was this in depth and very personal perspective that enabled me to avoid them myself.
The year that I was born the survival rate of a male from my tribe to the age of 21 was less than 50% the two biggest cause of death were drugs/alcohol and suicide.
There is a clear difference between the person who is addicted and uses for a myriad of reasons and the person that has decided to sell and manufacture. I understand that everything in life is a bell curve and that yes these cases do overlap and for a variety of reasons. While I don't agree with long prison sentences for the person caught with personal amounts there needs to be more done about those that sell and distribute.
magikalnerd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:07:12 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You may have no sympathy for me, but I do for you. I'm truly sorry about the struggles your family has gone through. I will still argue that there is very little difference between those that are selling and those that are using. At least with heroin, everyone I knew that had used had also sold at some point. You don't have to believe me, like your opinion mine are based on anecdotal information.
magikalnerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can say from experience most people that are overdosing from drugs have also sold them to support their habit. That drug dealer on the streets needs help just as much as the person buying it does. A large portion are not selling heroin to get rich like in movies, they do it to keep from getting sick. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm not asking for anything. I just think that drug addiction is a medical problem and should be handled that way.
kuduzu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You lack empathy and your comment is retarded. Most heroin dealers are supporting their own habit. In reality everyone involved with heroin are victims except the taliban supllying the shit, and even they are likely slaves.
Hkaddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have plenty of empathy for people dealing with personal addition issues. I have had multiple family members addicted to heroin including my Father and sister. Where I lose all sympathy is when they start becoming a part of another person's problem instead of dealing with their own.
korblok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
im failing out of school, if i don't get out of here you'll see me hanging via ripped sheets, my future is ruined, if i get out I'm living like Bonnie and Clyde.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only 119 more days...
Maladjusted_Jester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A penis
godbullseye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only spent a few hours in county after being arrested at a college party and it was easily the most terrifying experience of my life. I remember how scared I was that I ruined my life and how ashamed my parents would be of me once I told them.
BellaLatina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I donโt lose my clearance
samanthasapples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first day of the rest of my life bb!! I was working 12-15 hours a day hard labor and boozing on my free time. I finally got six months to just sit down and think. To be with myself and process some thoughts. I made a list of books and sent them to my friend with my credit card and he had them sent to me at the county jail. I stayed positive. Going to jail and being cheated on weโre some of the best things to happen to me.
I_Hit_U_Quit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Last halloween I got really drunk at CMU, and my friends decided to try to go to a club. Honestly all I really remember is waking up in jail. All I thought was โmy dad is going to KILL meโ
nearedge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great there goes my turn!! Had to wait for a few more turns before I could roll the dice again. At first you think"why do I even play this? I'm a grown up! Monopoly is for kids and parents who are putting on a happy charade infront of their kids while their marriage is tearing apart while living in a dire financial situation". Then you recall that there's a chick you wanna nail playing with you and you need to seem interested in the same activities as her so you can find a common ground and here you are.
WeLiveInAnOceanOfGas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This dude's dick, though I suppose that was the first evening...
ZeldaKick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Last time I do favors for coworkers."
lets-get-dangerous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was arrested for a bogus charge and released 20 hours later. All charges got dismissed immediately when I went to court but it was a very frustrating experience. I remember it clearly.
I had no idea when I was getting out. I tried to ask a few officers how the bail system worked and they ignored me.
There was nothing to do besides lay in the cot. The two cell mates I had were much older, probably in their 60's. That was nice. I could hear some of the other cell mates talking to themselves or yelling.
They let us out of our cells for small periods of time but the phone line was ridiculously long. I still managed to call my family and explain the situation after a few hours.
There were no clocks and the lights were artificial, so I had no idea what time of day it was or how long I'd been there. The boredom was mind numbing.
The two things that constantly went through my head were if I'd be able to reach anyone outside and when they'd be able to get me out. Occasionally I'd get angry that I was even there in the first place, and then I'd go back to scared uncertainty.
0/10, would not recommend.
peaceundivided ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"am I dead?.....probably not...just hungover" ..."am I sure?"
FriendshipPlusKarate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That these people have a place for you, and if you keep fucking up you can come right back. Did 6 months in federal prison. It wasn't a terrible experience. Got me entirely clean, working out, didn't have trouble while I was there.
But seeing my first roommate and him explaining that he was there for 30 years... That was hard. I was told to not even mention how short of a time I'd be there because it'd cause resentment. I kept my head down, read books, watched TV and went the fuck home.
Been 5 years and I'm happy.
cwilk5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
who's gunna hold my pocket
nimo404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One day I woke up in jail and I literally remembered saying to myself "it finally happened."
Obelion_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So assuming most of you went to jail for things that didn't involve hard-core stuff like murder or rape, how are the people?
I assume there's not a lot of people who attempt to assrape and beat up everyone for no reason like it's depicted in media
Edit: actually a lot of answers here already. I always write comment before I read the thread, bad habit
charlz-n-charge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the police busted through the front door, put a gun in my face, had me lay on my stomach, and handcuffed me. I laid there for a good 3 hours while they searched the house and documented their findings. I didnโt yell or cry or really even worry. I simply told them Iโd like to exercise my right to remain silent. They took me to jail, booked me in, had me take a shower and change into an orange jumpsuit. It wasnโt until I was walking down the hallway and the guard started to unlock the door to my cell when I finally said โoh my godโ and the guard told me not to be scared. When she opened the door, the first thing I noticed was how crowded it was. It was a pretty small room and more than half of the women had their matts on the floor. As I looked around I got a bit nervous because I was in a felony cell and all of these women were significantly bigger and older than me. The closest girl to my age was 7 or 8 years older than me. Everyone started asking me questions and giving me advice about my case. For the most part, they wanted to โmotherโ me and look out for me. I learned that these women were not out to hurt anyone for no good reason and were just trying to live in a small room with 13 other women for a long period of time as peacefully as they could.
ed_merckx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went to jail to pick up a friend of a friend once. He had gotten his second DUI (or DWI, whatever the technical term was) and was on a work release program. Basically you can leave for the day for your job then check back in at night. Not sure if they allow you a car or not, but being a repeat DUI the guy I knew got a suspended license and needed a ride to his office for the first day (after that he arranged a cab or driver each day I guess).
So I get there and I guess it's taking a bit longer to get him out, and the place I was waiting was near where people checked in to go to the visitor side of things. So I'm sitting there chatting with one of the officers, small talk asking him about the job, atmosphere etc. still no friend to pick up so I take a seat, mexican guy two seats down just says "hey whats up" then goes back to whatever he was doing. All of a sudden i hear a scuffle as some other guy jumps that mexican guy sitting next to me. they rolled around and I kind of got bumped into but got out of the way as guards came running in. Turned out both of them were visiting family members who were in gangs, I assume the two of them were in said gangs also and one guy jumped the other one,the guy that got jumped got stabbed by the other guys keys or something. They checked me over really fast I guess to make sure I didn't need medical attention, but because of that I had to wait for another 2 hours for my friend to come.
So almost got stabbed just waiting to pick up a friend. Told him I'd drop him off that night, but I'm not going back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After reading this post, I'm incredibly thankful I've never been to jail. Shitting in front of people would not be fun for anyone involved.
macKditty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me and a buddy went to get dope and I just got paid, so I stocked up to keep from having to go to dope town all week. I had a steady job and took care of all my responsibilities, I just liked to get high on the weekends and use opiates while I worked to stay chill. Pulling out of the dope house, a cop pulled behind us, and I was driving his truck because he wanted to shoot up coke, which I wasn't cool with, but he was planning on shooting up no matter who was driving.
I ate two grams of crack, broken down in quarter grams, and a gram of heroin when the police flipped their lights on. I chugged it down with a rotten nestle quik milk that was in his truck, so I was super nervous that I was gonna puke it right out. They charged him with the needle and me with the coke, so we both went to jail. My friend was bonded out in 90 minutes and I spent the whole time gagging myself over the toilet with drug addicts sorting through my puke to grab crack rocks. I didn't get the heroin out, but it made the two days I was there much more pleasant. I basically spent the whole time trying to puke in front of 20 people, and thinking I could die at any moment.
In the end, it didn't matter at all that the truck wasn't mine, and I ended up getting convicted and spending the next 3-4 years in and out of jail for small shit and about 13 months total jail time because my P.O. found an empty gel cap in my bedroom and I was charged and convicted for another felony possession of jeroin over the capsule. I ended up getting off of drugs, but the toll all of this shit took on my life has been tremendous.
EchoesUndead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:30 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My campus police at IU Bloomington arrested me for walking to my dorm and claimed the area smelled like weed and therefore I mustโve been the one smoking. They brought over 5 cops and they a searched me only to find a student ID.
Went to jail for the night in the drunk tank for whatever reason cause they believed I was high. My first thoughts were about the other individuals in the drunk tank who were super fucked up. Then after I called my dad to bail me out of jail they moved me into my own room and I remember thinking โif I had to stay in here for longer than the night I will go insaneโ.
Nignug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Campus cops are the worst
EchoesUndead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will do anything for stats. At IU theyโre all like 20 year olds too and just wanna get arrests so they can move up the ranks regardless if theyโre making arrests legally or not. They also donโt have body cams despite Bloomington PD adopting body cams a years ago
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this isn't what you were asking, but the first time I visited a client in jail was pretty scary. I didn't know anything about how I would meet my client, how the inmates would treat me, how the guards would fuck with me, etc.
I was thinking about whether my client would try to get me to do him a favor and whether the guards would give me a hard time.
Turns out my client was way more nervous about being in jail than I was about just visiting him, the guards were pretty normal and teased me a little but were pretty relaxed around me since they had nothing to fear from me, but I was surprised about how relieved I felt when I walked out.
NewEarth2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Day 1: There's no way in HELL I'm eating this. I should be home by 5 or so, so I'll eat some real food when I'm out.
Day 2: This is the driest sandwich I've ever tasted. It's literally a piece of baloney between two pieces of stale bread. They didn't even pull the red plastic off the meat.
Day 3: Hey, you gonna finish that?
smellyfishclitoris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Penis
shwiftyget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What went into my head was my cell mates genitals.
snecseruza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to go for a year, and while I was going through the court process I was out on bail so I had lots of time to prepare mentally, socially and financially. Well, as much as I could anyway.
I had a girlfriend at the time, and of course the prospect of me going away for a year created a lot of turmoil. At one point it was decided that we were split, we'd just be FWB until I left and maybe work things out when I got out. But nah, a couple weeks before I had to go, out of the blue she was 100% dead-set on the fact that she wanted to wait for me and we would remain "official". The selfish part of me was happy, but the logical part of me knew the right decision for both of us would've been to just break it off beforehand. Anyway, she convinced me she'd wait and be there for me and blahblahblah.
So to answer the question of the thread, the literal first thing that went through my head was "I wonder how long it'll be before she's riding someone else's dick". Not a matter of "if", but "when". Not very healthy.
Made it about 3-4 months in before she broke it off. But I found out through the grapevine that she was indeed riding another dick within about a week.
alittleroy101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes it so much worse. You've got so much time to dwell on it too when you're in there. Sorry man.
snecseruza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it was some rough times, but I definitely learned a lot from it. I was young, so was she, and it was 10 years ago now so whatever. Thanks though!
qorniliusqbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hated the fact that the door had no knob. Even if it was locked it would have felt a bit more comforting knowing I knew where the device to open it was and could hold it.
CircumnavigateThisD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent about 2 days in jail. Not even. Did not eat anything the whole time. That was the only thing on my mind. Didn't care about anything else. Knew I was going to starve if I stayed any longer. The food is intentionally garbage and honestly something needs to be done about it.
nathalierachael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently a Prozac cross taper can help? But even that doesnโt work for some people. My SIL just had to ride out a week of it :(
dystopiarist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:06 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cellmate's dick
ehehsryeheh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Embarrasment ..having to strip naked in front of gaurds and shower as you are first brought in. Then bending over and spreading your cheeks and lifting your seeds.
Realization...all my freedoms are now gone.
throwaway48u48282819 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they were incredibly nice.
They saw me come in and immediately kept saying "fresh fish! Fresh fish!"
Considering my sainted daddy was a fisherman, they were just trying to make sure I was at home.
MeinKampfyChair2 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:24:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First day: "This is horseshit".
Tenth day: "I'm starving. I've lost 18 pounds in the past 10 days. I get treated like an animal. It's freezing cold and the only way to get warm is to buy an undershirt and socks through the commissary, and I have no money. This is pure exploitation. This place shouldn't exist. Human beings shouldn't be treated like this. The motherfuckers who run this place are the scum of the Earth. I genuinely hope you jail guards all die tonight on the way back to your families. Genuinely."
I disliked police before. Now, if I saw a cop being beaten to death on the side of the road, I'd chuckle and keep walking. Congratulations, you've made an eternal enemy, justice system.
SarahTonein ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I came to say this. Just broke free on Monday.
Binary- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't break the law of you don't want to face the consequences
Asiiiu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:16:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one deserves to be treated like an animal regardless of their crime. It's disgraceful.
"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."
MeinKampfyChair2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:34:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't treat people like animals and exploit their discomfort for monetary gain if you don't want them to actively despise you.
DerTeddythulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
F*ck off. Just because somone breaks your precious law they shouldnt be treated like this. Rapists and others who hurt other people for theyโre own satisfaction should be treated like this
Binary- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe you should start prison reform if it's so easy.
tigerscomeatnight ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: No one who is actually sorry for the behaviours that led them to this situation. They have a word for that.
kuduzu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:30:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you never end up on the wrong side of the law. Its a lot easier than you think.
Aimismyname ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A shiv
legendarybk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not jail but I was in holding. First thought was to kill myself and I tried. Thankfully I failed.
Zacmovesalot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:36 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was like oh shit it smells like piss and BO in here, thought I could just read books and keep to myself like I had in the intake cell but these dudes have too much time on their hands and most of them had the system figured out so I got fucked with until I threw a fit and tried to smother my celly JJ with a mattress. It was pretty chill after that. This old dude Morgan started calling me Youngblood and I got to call him OG, turned out to be a fun week.
tulipjelly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kick someone's ass the first day, or become someone's bitch
Moubee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some dudes wang
yuge33bigly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:14 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so many losers in this thread.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:30 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You felt left out and had to make sure we knew you existed, too?
DJSANDROCK ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
guys, more than likely if you were to go to jail, it would be county. you all are talking like your gonna be doing hard time in the state pen smh
PM_ME_WHATEVERR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:43 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so, Iโd been to a bunch of programs for troubled youths and other things, and eventually I went to a boarding school for a few years. It was horrible. Anyways, I got to jail and I was a little nervous when I first got there and during booking, but as soon as I got to housing i realized something. All I could think was โwow this is like (insert my school name here) but for adults. This is nothingโ and the rest of the time I was there, I wasnโt happy, but it wasnโt stressful or scary or anything.
Kano850 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No pussy
CorporalBB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in a 122 bed jail for 13 years. AMA.
SamuraiSlothg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:31:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The worst thing about prison was the dementors
Kargal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fucking glad I'm only a visitpr and can go home. Maybe avoid ending up here"
Randomjax ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I want to go home. I don't belong here."
Was in juvy. I didn't belong there. I'm not a bad person. Just one with anger issues and lack of self control.
Deskbot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hate to break it to you but yeah you're a bad egg. Get that shit under control dude. Don't make excuses by breaking your problems down into smaller ones, you're still the sum of your parts.
Randomjax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:02 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I've been trying to control my anger, and it's working. I don't plan on going back ever. I've been seeing a counselor once a week and she really helps.
Deskbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good work dude, glad to hear your turning the corner. Keep your cool, stay out of jail.
Randomjax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:37 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying my hardest. I don't want to go back to juvy, and I can't even imagine what jail would be like.
ILLMATICnotILLMAGIC ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No ones taking my booty No ones taking my booty No ones taking my booty No ones taking my booty...
Phrasing101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, my asshole is throbbing.
B0tInputZer0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, shit
betonthis1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been to juvie as a kid so didnโt think it would be a huge shock. While waiting for my cell to be assigned I watch a crazy ass Mexican dude start spraying some cleaner on another guy and get into a crazy ass fight.
Second time I went into a room with a bunch of bunks. Waaaay different experience. That first night the white dudes and Mexicans fought. It was one on one in the shower room. They got the biggest of the two and the mexican dudes picked a monster. Needless to say white dude got rocked and they moved him across the hall. Second time was much worse. Toilets all out in the open. Got to see my buddies when waiting to get called into court.
I3------D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was not in longer than three days. Saw someone beat literally to death. Been a semi pro fighter for 2 years, trained every day since the day I got out back in 2010. My Charge was dismissed btw, resisting arrest.
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And also, why would a judge throw a man in jail if he was honestly trying to help his kid even if he had no means?
RandMcNalley ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve read that D&D is really big in prison (assuming it is allowed) that would be the best possible way to pass time inmo.
houyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its fairly popular not as popular as chess, Scrabble or dominos though (especially dominos). I would say about 10% of inmates play D&D. But they aren't allowed to keep or use the dice so they use a homemade spinner instead.
38LeaguesUnderTheSea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:50:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First time I went to prison I was still a juvenile. I was a bad kid... Hard as nails at 17. I had already been in therapy, probation, house arrest, you name it. Finally got my first ticket to ride after shooting up a house party. Ended up getting 15 months. I'm a big ass dude and have been since I was 14 so I wasnt really worried about the stuff one would think you'd be worried about and since my life up to that point had been training me for this I was pretty ambivalent about being in the county pens... After about 18hrs of being in Bull-Pen Therapy the CO's put the inmates who were being moved property boxes at the end of the hall with the respective facility name we were to be moved to on them... Immediatley OG's started yelling my last name asking were I was. I went up to the bars and said that was me... Without missing a beat all these older dudes were like "Oooooh shit!!! You goin to gladiator school dog!" " You goin to the Thunderdome!!" At that moment my heart sank. I was hoping I would get put in an adult facility since I was almost 18 but..... Alas. I was to go to our states infamous 23hr a day lock up juvenile correction facility. Stories were told about kids smearing shit on razors and slicing you up n shit... Okay I thought to myself. Its time to get some serious jailin on..
In the end, I got put in a cell with my homie from the streets which was dope, but my 15 months got extended from multiple fights.. I did witness a few stabbings but all in all I had a good time... In fact Ive spent a significant amouny of my life in maximum security prisons and to be brutally honest, sometimes I miss it.
MisprintPrince ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Biggest complaint from a friend of mine was the food. How was it there?
38LeaguesUnderTheSea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At that time the food was still passible as food... Breakfasts were either pancakes, waffles, oatmeal or grits with pound cake... Sometime we had slop for lunch or dinner, but we also had chicken patties, nuggets, salisbury steak mashed potatoes and all that... Again this was ages ago, Im 36 right now and over the years the food has gotten utterly disgusting. Last bid I did was in 2016 and the food was the bland slop all the time, no more special food days to look forward to... Absolutely horrible, best you could hope for is someone to come back from court with a couple bologna sandwiches, or have a friend who works in the kitchen.
Edit: A word
Badbiblereferences ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:28:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman.
GillbergsAdvocate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How slippery can the soap honestly be?
kirthan_pai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn my arse hurts
themilkbiscuit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never drop the soap
Djdanny90999 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When that inspector Javert caught me and landed me in that disgusting hellhole i thought to myself " all this for stealing a loaf of bread"
ImVitaal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:13:47 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cocks
2_poor_4_Porsche ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:23:54 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While not technically through the head, I bet a dick went at least six inches into it.
Htario ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do I post bail?
The_Dog_Of_Wisdom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:30:09 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If a guy, probably a dick
Edgy_Rock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:36 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A bullet.
kallebo1337 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:16 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was just telling everybody that my lawyer will take me out within 2 days and I still can make it to the local golf championships and win them, which I prepared 4 months for. 10 months later I was out and never ever touched a golf club again.
JayArlington ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cellmateโs dick. :(
Supersnazz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:49:48 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An icepick
El_Raro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:26:10 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โTime to fuck some dudesโ
Jamesson_locke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A penis.
VictorVaughan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hadley's baton when I wouldn't stop crying for my Mom.
a3wagner ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not me, but my ex's cousin. He said to himself, "I'd better find the biggest person I can, and beat him up." So he did.
I was not upset to hear that he died by stealing a friend's car, driving drunk, and getting into an accident.
wronglycalmly ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was in jail in southern California for 8 months. I had 3 charges one of which help life in prison. I didn't commit any crimes. It's a little different because I was in PC (protective custody) aka yellow banders. When your charges are gnarly enough they send you to a suicide prevention room. I was there for a week in nothing but a green vest made of burlap. No blanket, no pillows, sleeping on a metal bed in a concrete box. I remember thinking "this is it, the end." I'm a person who is scared of the evils of the judicial system. They want more convictions and they'll do anything to send someone away. I got away with 3 years probation time served after I took a deal for pc 245 (a) (4) which is an assault charge. Jail is ment to break you down and give in to them. I didnt.
Gabe-Utsecks ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"fuck I hope they don't break into my safe"
They did :(
RetardThePirate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Other than a penis?
LockFreeDev ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would assume, another guyโs dick.
selz202 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kick someone's ass or become somebodies bitch.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ReginaldJohnston ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you seriously expecting everyone to believe your story? Did you put that there as a test? A troll, even?
Even in a developing country, nobody would give a visibly-drunk person sleeping tablets or any other medication. Especially not policemen or jailers.
jjw1178 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Went in with a 1yr to 15yr sentence. Michigan sentencing guidelines are cruel and unconstitutional. Ended up doing 3 and another 3 on parole. Going into a Shawshank situation is pretty intimidating.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This isn't Pizza Hut... Why did I let a woman read Google Maps?"
CMDanaher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FEEEEEMALES
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet casual sexism.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit sexist but it's actually inspired by a true story, where we were looking for pizza hut and ended up at Feltham Young Offenders Institution.
papermountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wut
xBlu34ngeL ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:23:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never been to jail/prison but have been given detention for a day back in high school for being late. XD
Edit: downvotes? It t'was a joke m8's.
TastelessCookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:03 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
XDDDD
Glorious_Infidel ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was mostly afraid of the dementors.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to Pound Me in the Ass Prison.
warpfield ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hopefully not a huge dick
auchnureinmensch ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Other inmate's penes.
generik89 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:18 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I would never actively seek out prison it would literally take every stress out of my life. Oh bills? โNa...The need for pussy! โNa....Career? โNa...just gonna get yoked in the yard and take some D. Fuck it
Not_as_witty_as_u ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your thinking is out of societal norm so I doubt Iโll have any chance of getting through to you so Iโll explain it a different way. Letโs say you have a pet, a dog. You run out of food so someone says, weโll just abandon it or kill it. Itโs the logical solution and solves your problem. Problem is you donโt want to kill your dog because you love it. Now a mother is genetically, evolutionarily and emotionally driven to not kill her baby 1000x more than you are to not kill your dog. So yes, while an abortion may seem like the most practical solution, it is not a feasible or realistic option. If you will put practicality and logic over emotion and love and willingly either kill an unborn baby or your dog, then that is the textbook definition of a psychopath.
opoponachs ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:31:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A big cock.
FrailDogg ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:52:37 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some dude's cock.
Birddawg65 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My cellyโs dick :(
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:43:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A penis.
ShuckleFukle ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't drop the soap. Don't drop the soap.
SoNElgen ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:57:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think that at some point in my life, I'm going to go to jail. Not because I necessarily did some fucked up shit, but I drive like a maniac at times (never drunk though). The chances of me not ending up in jail for at least 2 months for speeding, are slim. So, I prepare myself mentally by beating myself up as much as I can, raping myself with a toiletbrush and sleeping on a concrete floor at all times.
FreeFormTerrorist ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:07:43 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WOw, what a good question. The first thing I did was tie my soap to my balls. Then I called my mom and forced her to put money on my books. She gave me 1000 to last me 2 weeks so I immediately went and bought 2 bags of dope with it. That night my big black celly told me that I had to let him have sex with my butt so I sucked his dick for the sake of my asshole. It was crazy. Then my mom bailed me out a few days later, I was syyked.