Tourette's with coprolalia (involuntary swearing). Only about 10% of Tourette's patients have this symptom. Because of this misconception, I would also say that having Tourette's is more common than you would think (1 in every 160 children between 5 and 17, or 1 in 100 children if including all tic disorders, according to Tourette Association of America - https://www.tourette.org/about-tourette/overview/what-is-tourette/).
Yeah, that episode was extremely well researched which is very uncommon with TV and disorders. The closest I can even think of is how BoJack Horseman deals with depression.
Black6x · 8 points · Posted at 01:15:26 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
SciJedi · 21 points · Posted at 01:38:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a student with Tourette’s (I’m a tutor). He would make squeaking noises and maybe some involuntary jerks once in a while. As far as I was concerned it wasn’t a big deal. As he got older, both happened less and he got better at just working through it. We never talked about how it affected him in class but with me he was doing really well.
There was a lady in the choir at my grandparents' church that had the face-twitching kind. The choir would sit on stage behind the pastor throughout the entire sermon. I never heard a word of the sermon because I couldn't stop staring at her making faces at the preacher.
Learned this at my middle school; a student in another class had Tourettes and thus had involuntary ticks and would make small noises, however he also frequently shouted entire sentences littered with every curse word in the book (often insulting someone or something in particular as well), while blaming it on his Tourettes. As 13 year olds, the shoutind and swearing fit with our general (mis)understanding of Tourettes and the teachers never called him out so it wasn't until about two years later that a new teacher described hoe Tourettes actually presents to our class, and told us to stand up for ourselves if he was verbally abusive because he COULD control it.
Me and my 2 brothers had it for a couple of years when we were younger. Mild cases, no swearing or anything, but it did take over your life no matter how mild. I’ve never really looked into it, but I’m curious to know why all of us had it to some degree or another. I’m wondering if it’s somehow genetic now that I have 3 kids of my own now.
3 months late haha, but I have Tourette's and one of my tics is swearing. I have others too, but quite a bit of it is swearing. I have often actually been told I am faking my Tourette's because "nobody with Tourette's actually swears"
Sorry to hear that, I'm sure it's not easy. Do you often get people treating it like a party trick and riling you up just to get you to swear? I imagine that would get old pretty quick.
Yeah, I remember once in my old school people used to say stuff like "swear if your gay" or "say yellow (another one of my tics) if you hate everyone here" I'm much happier now though
Successfully saving someone trapped by a fire, via re-entering a burning building. The mortality rate for this is really high and fire departments have petitioned to stop showing this in movies because it usually results in another life being lost.
Had a kitchen fire when I was a teenager and after some moderate panicking trying to put it out with the sink, my mom and sister went outside and called the fire department, and I was like "oh yeah, there's an outside!" and went and got the hose and put the fire out.
The firefighters showed up and were like "you put out the fire? Nice job dude. But NEVER GO BACK INSIDE. EVER. But nice job putting that fire out. NOT EVEN ONCE, YOU UNDERSTAND ME?"
It was a little weird. I didn't really know how to feel about it at the time, because it makes sense, safety being more important than damaged property, but in this particular instance I never felt like I was in danger. But, presumably, other people who went back into burning buildings also felt like they weren't gonna die, but they did.
Even when the fire hasn't grown too big and isn't dangerous to you, it can produce a lot of smoke, and that's the shit that will get you in a confined space.
Also if you spend significant time in the building, or have to go in far from an exit, the fire can spread to block the path you came in by.
That makes a lot of sense, and I don't disagree with any of that in general. But specifically for this instance I don't feel like I was in any danger. But that's just the kind of thought you've got to question the accuracy of. It's plausible that most people who die in fires felt the exact same way regarding how dangerous they felt it was.
It's just that in this instance my gut feeling about the dangers inherent in that specific fire were correct. It was just a tiny fire that would have been easily put out, except it was on the underside of a low shelf in a cabinet and it was hard to get water on it. The area was pretty open, grabbing the hose and getting back took maybe 15 seconds during which the fire couldn't really spread because there was water all around it.
The whole scenario runs an eerie parallel to the ineffectiveness of abstinence-only education. Like... You're a teenager and an adult tells you that Marijuana will ruin your life, but you know a pothead and he seems like he's not giving bjs in the park for his next fix, so you have your doubts that Marijuana will always ruin your life. Or they say that not having sex is the only way to prevent pregnancy, except you're already having sex and nobody's getting pregnant, so you wonder if other things work but they "have" to tell you that just to keep things simple.
Similarly, I was being told that it's never a good idea to go back into the house, when I had just prevented thousands of dollars of property damage without suffering any personal harm by doing just that, leaving me wondering about the actual facts that led to them saying that. Maybe it's sometimes a good idea (like in my case) but they don't want to encourage it because it's often a bad idea. Maybe it's sometimes a good idea, but civilians shouldn't ever do it anyway because they don't have the training to determine whether it's a good or bad idea. Maybe it's always a bad idea, because the exact symptoms I described for my fire could either be dangerous or not, and there's no way to tell until after its all over.
But that's not what they said. They didn't say "hey, things turned out okay this time, but don't do it in the future because that fire might have been much more dangerous than it appeared, even though it turned out to be easily handled." They just said never go back into the house.
Maybe it's sometimes a good idea, but civilians shouldn't ever do it anyway because they don't have the training to determine whether it's a good or bad idea.
Pretty sure this is the answer along with trained personal can't see through the building and don't know the flammability of every substance known to mankind.
[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 03:47:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure, and if the answer was "hey, it turned out okay for you this time, but a fire that looked just like that one could very easily have put enough CO into the air to knock you unconscious with no warning, so don't do it" then that would have been a fantastic response. But as it was, I was a kid who wasn't sure if he was being condescended to or if it was actually always a bad idea to go back in.
Yeah, I think it's most likely the outcome of looking at the big picture statistics saying that thousands of incidents ended in a fatality and that the one solution to preventing all of those fatalities would have required the people simply not re entering the dangerous environment. In the end not every situation is the same, so they just go with the default position of saying to never do it, period.
I think the reason they said that was because most people panic and lose their ability to make a correct assessment of the situation. In this case you made a good judgement call. The next person might not, and so they don't want to encourage people. Plus there are things in houses that can explode when heated up. Things like aerosol cooking spray which can throw pieces of metal into your body.
Depending on the smoke, it might just take one breath to kill you. Any victim we remove from a house fire gets a cyanide antidote. The smoke from a normal house fire contains enough cyanide that people die from that alone, even if we fix their other issues.
Plus the smoke and air can be so hot that it burns your lungs. Your lungs respond be swelling and putting off fluid and the person dies later at the hospital.
Love the fact they complimented you but also discouraged you from ever doing that again. Firefighters have such a difficult job. I’m glad the family and you are OK!
We rely heavily on volunteer firefighters, they get zero $$…
Also, #1 cause of death and disability for firefighters is cancer due to the large amount of carcinogens released when all the plastics in house fires burn
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 03:30:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most firefighters are EMT, but also volunteer. Qualification makes almost no difference, because there's enough people volunteering waiting for a paid position to open up, that they don't need to open up any positions.
Even in the departments around here, which don't give preference to volunteers, career positions are filled via testing. Already having your EMT cert doesn't help you get the job.
But thats... What I'm saying. The conversation was about how a working EMT and a working firefighter shouldn't have their pay scale compared because the rate of unpaid volunteers is drastically different. You just kept iterating that firefighters had EMT certifications, like that compared them.
They're not two different professions in most areas. All the counties around me are staffed by people that are at least firefighter/EMTs if not higher and it's those same people staffing both the engines and the ambulances interchangeably.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 04:12:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty good money compared to what?
$33,975-$56,625 is not 'pretty good money' in most areas.
I’m sorry but I didn’t know how much they make. That is a fine salary here. I’m basing it off of what I’ve seen in my area. A firefighter around here owns a Tesla (which are VERY rare where I live).
I'm a firefighter and a paramedic and make well over 6 figures when you include all the overtime I work
Dezib · 1 points · Posted at 11:12:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In berlin the local government just denied a law that would stop unpaid overtime from expiring for government employees.
Berlin apparently still has to pay its firefighters their overtime for the last 14 years. They are literally refusing to pay until they will no longer be legally required to.
Don't you ever fight someone again you understand me? But you were so brave to stand up for your friend. And if you ever do it again I will crucify you. But seriously though, that was dope you should be proud of yourself. And I hope we never have this conversation again.
Aw, thanks. You seem sweet. I had a very similar experience putting out a car fire while waiting for the firefighters to arrive. They finished off the job and told me to never try that again.
Unrelatedly, the way you said a car fire rather than saying it was your car gave me a quick mental image of just some car burning in a lot with nobody around, and then you kinda look around with what the fuck hands (ya know, arms out to either side, elbows bent, palms up, fingers splayed) before dealing with it. Just sorta... "Welp, guess I'm putting out a fire now."
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 08:38:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hahahaha that's a fun mental image
melperz · -1 points · Posted at 05:32:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not only did they likely die, but they also put firefighters at a greater risk.. When we get a report of someone inside it changes the whole game plan. It goes from getting on scene and putting water on fire to getting on scene faster and going in to find the victim before they perish. All of which also results in a greater loss to the structure due to the delay in fire attack until the victim is located.
I had a friend in high school who had half her face melted off because when she was a little kid she ran back into the house to get her favourite pj's.
Edit: Just to be clear, the house was burning down when she went back in
Wasn't a grease fire. I don't think burning wood is one of those situations.
tbdjw · 3 points · Posted at 04:33:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Truthfully it's situationally dependant yet no one is really in a position to determine whether it's safe enough to do without any experience with structure fires.
Yeah the danger with fire is the carbon dioxide. Even if the fire doesn't seen that unmanageable, suddenly you pass out, due to lack of oxygen, surrounded by ever growing flames
Carbon monoxide is the more dangerous one, yes. Meant to say that. However, the carbon dioxide alone also causes this effect
btstfn · 3 points · Posted at 15:29:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like to picture it as them defending their turf.
"Listen guy, we've got a union. Don't you ever fucking try to do our work again you got me"
amarras · 2 points · Posted at 00:45:43 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also important, DONT DELAY CALLING 911 TO PUT OUT THE FIRE. You won't put it out, the fire will just grow, and you just delayed the fire department X amount of minutes. Many fires would have been significantly more manageable, or resulted in significantly less loss (a single room vs the whole house), if people called 911 first, instead of trying and failing to put out the fire
drunk98 · 2 points · Posted at 05:53:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If everyone did what you did, they'd be unemployed!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 13:50:20 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree with you here, seems like the firefighter may have had a bad experience or something and was overreacting with some blown out of proportion "worst case scenario" type thinking. Maybe in his mind 90% of the time someone tries to go back inside, even with something tiny, they end up dying. But who knows. Based on what you've explained below with all the circumstances being as such...seems like he was being a little silly.
I wouldn't say that. It seems more like "never go back into a burning building" is simple, solid advice that will prevent 100% of potential injuries or deaths from going back into burning buildings if people follow it. Even if it's not always necessary.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 14:36:32 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah and what if they dont have insurance? Or a loved one is about to die? And the fire is small? It's not so easy to just "Never go back" then. The overreactionary advice of "Never" isn't taking into account individual judgment and multitude of circumstance. You can die while riding a bike..NEVER RIDE A BIKE! You can choke on water...NEVER DRINK WATER...You can choke on food. NEVER EAT FOOD!
I used to teach fire safety to elementary school kids. I was emphasizing that they must not return to the house NO MATTER WHAT and to save all the rescuing to the fire department. A little boy raised his hand and goes, “I’m sorry, but I am NOT leaving my dog inside.” I teared up a little bit.
I read that a few times trying to see if there was any relevance, but at this point I think I can say with a moderate degree of certainty that you may have replied to the wrong comment, friend-o.
Obviously he meant that if you walk back into a burning building, there is a very low chance you will be raped inside it. Most people who complain of being raped when they went back into a burning building are lying for the attention.
In reality rapists hate fires, so you are safest from them in burning buildings.
[deleted] · 46 points · Posted at 02:54:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As much as I know this to be true, if I thought there was even a slight chance of saving my friend, family or hell even my cat, I’d try. Probably not for a stranger though, idk.
I'd probably die while looking for my already escaped pets. My cat in particular has a penchant for obscure napping spots and if I had lost track of him (which I usually don't) I'd have a terrible time finding him and coaxing him out of said spot. Though he has good enough intuition when it comes to flight or flight that he would probably have managed flight well before anything got out of control.
zayap18 · 27 points · Posted at 03:33:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cats tend to hide and perish. Source: am firefighter
EDIT: It really sucks finding the body after fires. I'd say they're probably the most common casualty. Dogs actually manage to get out a lot or are hanging out by the front or back door when we get there.
I figured as much. I will now pretend my cat is superior in the case of a fire. If his bones don't melt or get damaged I will keep them. -back to denial- my cat is superior and knows how to open my window and escape. The dogs only hope is the little ones ability to nose open doors and climb on the back of the couch in front of the window.
When I worry about the house burning down, I couldn't care less about losing my possessions. It's the thought of my poor kitties being trapped that terrifies me. There's no way to avoid it, either; you can't teach a cat where to go when there's a fire. Ugh, I just hope I'm never in that position.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 06:28:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can imagine some crazy engineers creating a portable tunnel that extends into the building and is able to hold it's own and the collapsing building's weight. Like an extending hallway or something.
aelios · 21 points · Posted at 04:46:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would make it easy to find the body when they suffocate.
I went into a burning building for my pregnant wife's dog. Really bad move in hindsight but of all she was about to lose it couldn't be the dog. Hate the beast but I don't regret it.
I think the broader point applied to your situation is that your pregnant wife could have lost both her dog as well as her husband. I'm sure you had a better grasp on the situation than random redditors, but the overall point is that you ought to err pretty heavily on the side of concluding you won't be able to make it.
i agree with itsthewoo, i would've hated if my pet died but I would've hated it even more if both my pet and partner died. you should be incredibly thankful that everything turned out okay.
Could you expand on this? I'd like to visualize the situation, re entering a burning building, what to expect and why I will die.
zayap18 · 26 points · Posted at 03:38:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As fire spreads in a building it releases flammable and toxic gasses in the smoke, as you re-enter a building more than likely you're leaving a door open giving the fire more oxygen which builds the fire and creates more heat. You can either die of asphyxiation from all the oxygen burning up or the smoke displacing it in your breath, or you can reach flashover where the heat of the fire is great enough to ignite the gasses it's been releasing from the things it's been burning. At that point everything ignites at once, even the air, effectively roasting you to death as the temperature will rise a few hundred degrees (barely if at all survivable in bunker gear and scba) and as the fire will be everywhere even if you somehow live through the heat you will not be getting any oxygen. Source: am firefighter
EDIT: The fire can also spread behind you, trapping you from any escape.
Cool, thanks for the answer, very interesting. So I'm guessing that at this stage, even firefighters don't go in the building to save ppl? If I'm stuck in a big fire now I know I'd better try my chance jumping out the window rather than going through all that hell!
zayap18 · 10 points · Posted at 04:41:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're in a closed room you honestly should be safe from the flashover so please don't kill yourself jumping out a window, but please don't sit with the window open either, as that will pull the fire towards you. If we get water on the fire early we can typically prevent flashover, but sometimes it's occured before we ever arrived.
Yeah didn't mean kill myself, but like if it's just a small 3 stories building like I used to live in , I would jump on a tree and climb down, or climb down to the balcony below through the window.
I only knew about this from one of those school talks they force you to go to where a fireman or policemen lecture you but I was able to dig up some answers for you. Early escape from fire can largely be the product of good luck when people try to re-enter there are some basic things they forget.
The way you got out originally may not be safe for a return trip especially considering how fast a fire can grow. Your planned escape route can become a blaze.
The fire will use up a lot of oxygen the longer it goes. The threat of asphyxiation is going to be another invisible threat along with the obvious threat of the fire.
Your thinking ability is probably severely diminished. Not just from the normal panic of an emergency situation but an excess of Carbon Monoxide caused by fire is probably affecting your thought processes and diminishing your brain power. You're reasonable and heroic decision to re-enter may be the same thing as a black out drunk person deciding he knows his limits and is perfectly fine to drive home.
I'm sure there may be more reasons but those were the big ones.
"Plan your way out, and have a backup just to be sure."
My uncle was a firefighter, then due to an injury became a fire scene investigator and he gave me this advice years ago. I did a fire safety course at work not long ago and we were shown the videos of the Station nightclub fire as well as the Bradford City Stadium fire and it's frightening how quickly a normal situation can go south (check out the Bradford video (NSFW), the fire is first seen at 0:26 and by 3:03 the whole 5,300 seater stand is engulfed). According to my uncle in these kinds of situations, most people's instinct will be to simply head for the main entrance to a structure, when often this isn't the easiest or safest way out. In most cases there will be a much closer exit.
Now, whenever I'm in an unfamiliar building, especially a crowded one such as a concert hall or cinema, I'll always take a minute to look around and decide in my mind "if the shit hits the fan, I'm heading this way, and if it's blocked for any reason, I'm going that way."
Never had to use this advice yet, but anything can happen at any time.
I went back in for my dog. Had to cross a hallway, enter kitchen and leave the same way.
I thought I could hold my breath, holy shit was I wrong. I threw up as soon as I got outside and when I showered that night, my lungs closed up, ended up in hospital for smoke inhalation.
As a former firefighter, it was viewed as EXTREMELY irresponsible and dangerous to go into a burning building alone. If a firefighter ever did like the movies and ignored orders and just ran inside, they would be kicked off the department if they ever did come back out alive.
Similarly, part of my job involves working in confined spaces accessing cabling ducting and risers etc. There's a crapton of confined spaces working regulations in this country that have to be met when working in spaces such as these.
The work we do is classed as very low risk confined space but a friend of mine works at a chemical processing plant and sometimes has to enter empty chemical holding tanks or pressure vessels to clean out sediment and other contaminants by hand. Obviously these are massively high risk.
There was an incident a few years back at his place when a new management team took over and the cleanup crews were ordered to go in and clean out an unknown sediment layer without proper breathing apparatus. They had air-fed fume hoods but these were nowhere near sufficient protection. Previously they would bring a specialist contract company onsite who had all the necessary BA gear and training to carry out the work safely but the new management didn't want to spend the money. The union got involved and there was threats of the company being reported to the HSE for endangering life.
Weirdly though, according to one of the BA contractors i was speaking to previously mentioned that it's usually the confined spaces classified as low risk that are the biggest killers. Apparently when it's an obvious high risk situation or when nasty chemicals are involved, you're more inclined to treat it with caution, yet it's in a seemingly harmless space that stuff tends to go wrong. Apparently what usually happens is Person A enters an unknown space without a risk assessment or the proper protective equipment, passes out. Person B enters the space to try to retrieve Person A, passes out. If they're lucky, Person C calls the fire brigade and once they arrive on site and suit up, enter the space to retrieve two bodies. If they're unlucky, there is no Person C.
To go along with the first responder theme, I'd like to add bringing someone back with chest compressions. Rarely results in life unfortunately.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 05:53:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't the purpose to maintain a flow of oxygenated blood to the brain so that brain function is maintained until (hopefully) the person can be brought back by other means? Like an AED?
You don't use an AED on everyone though. Their heart must be in V-tach or V-fib. Otherwise we don't shock them (because it would not help)
At the start of us working a cardiac arrest I drill an IV needle into their shin bone so that we can quickly start giving them different medications and fluid to help increase the chances of getting a heart beat back
TJKbird · 2 points · Posted at 15:46:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes this is exactly what CPR is for and you should still do it if you are able to.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 05:48:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was on a small, rural volunteer firefighting team for a while. Even though we practiced for entering a structure fire and searching/rescuing victims, they said that they'd essentially never send us into an actively burning building, for this very reason. We had too few people for effective backup and medical care was too far away.
My neighbors house was on fire and my 60+ year old father ran in to save their dog. They were away at a relatives. I was in shock that he could without thinking, do such a heroic thing. The house burnt down and is being rebuilt. I dont know what I would have done.
clester · 4 points · Posted at 21:00:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Career firefighter here, I can vouch.
Even more so for heart attack (myocardial infarction) and save rate via the AED (defibrillator).
There are thousands of rhythms your heart can be in during a heart attack, the AED only works with 2 of them and does nothing for a flat line.
Out of probably a couple hundred tries, I've gotten 3 saves, and I've got a good record compared to most.
Lanxy · 5 points · Posted at 01:22:01 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
jup, the father of a friend of mine died while going back inside to retrieve his harddisks and laptop. I really didn't know how to respond when she told me this story.
It's just a little smoke and fire. Don't worry that the air can be so hot that one breath could so badly burn your airway and lungs that you die. Also don't worry about the smoke being so poisonous that we literally administer a cyanide antidote to any viable vitamin we are able to remove from the building.
Smoke is your worse enemy in a fire. Wherever you are in your house right now, take a deep breath and try to run to your nearest exit, see if you can do it.
Just started the show on hulu so haven't seen previews.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:07:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah- Didn't realize it was on Hulu or streaming services for that matter. I'm going to delete my comment so that I don't spoil it for others, too. So sorry to have spoiled it for you!
Burglary happens most often during the day, when nobody is home. No burglar wants to break in and try to sneak around your place while you’re sleeping. His biggest concern is to evade detection. It makes more sense to work in the daytime.
In all likelihood, that noise you heard outside was a car or raccoon or your imagination.
Go to sleep.
EDIT: Gold? Thanks but I was gonna break in and steal all your gold anyway.
oh don't even worry.. according to statistics, you are 1000 times more likely to be killed by someone you know inside your house than by a total stranger invading your home.
TLema · 8 points · Posted at 10:02:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's what my dad always told me. If someone burglarizes your home during the day, someone just wanted your stuff. It sucks, but at least the person did it while no one was home. If someone breaks into your home at night, assume they are armed and are there for the worst reasons and to shoot them first...
I've gone my entire life so far without "accidentally" forcing my way into someone else's home in the middle of the night. I'm pretty sure most people can manage to do that as well. I'm not advocating for the paranoid gun nuts that shoot people at night because someone rang their door bell or turn their cars around in their driveway because they need to "protect" their property. I'm saying that if you force your way into my home at night I'm going to assume you're there with ill intentions and I will act accordingly.
Super drunk people are normally pretty loud and don't normally walk around wearing gloves and ski masks (at least not around here). On the off chance that some drunk person did break into my house on accident with no ill intent I would hope that I would be able to recognize that in the moment and evaluate the situation correctly. If they however are drunk, wearing a ski mask, and tearing through my stuff with a flashlight they are probably SOL.
I'm not laying in bed at night listening to every sound I hear stroking my handgun waiting for the moment to lay down my vengeance on someone. But I'm not going to assume that someone who kicks my door in at night is there to get me to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior either.
6thComm · 7 points · Posted at 03:09:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. If they are that keen to convert you - shoot em twice.
Our Father, who art in heaven,
Let the hollow points rain,
6thComm · 2 points · Posted at 04:00:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Give us this lead
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 02:02:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once I walked into the wrong off campus apartment and unloaded my backpack on the floor and walked over to sit down, and the guy just had his head turned around in his computer chair with a smile on his face
Those guns? Oh, these guns. They're for anti-spider related activity.
They aren't for your average spider mind you. They're for the big ones.
Some may just be on your bed.
kcasper · -7 points · Posted at 01:45:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, I can imagine you just threatening the criminal with your guns that are responsibly locked up in the gun safe. He/she is in so much trouble after you open that safe. Yep, the criminal will shoot you with your guns that he steals after he forces you to open the gun safe. Too bad he exchanged his blades for your guns.
My handgun is not locked in a safe. It is responsibly kept out of reach of small humanoids, who are not even aware it exists. But it is readily available if needed to serve its intended purpose.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 02:03:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is this from?
billatq · 9 points · Posted at 04:25:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is true for america, i think in the UK "hot" burglaries are much more common. If you know you're not going to get shot, then it makes sense to break in while they're there, so you can force them to tell you where the loot is.
Of course! But those are murder-robberies. That’s different from regular sneakthievery. If you’re gonna rape and kill some folks you’re gonna want to do that shit at night. Take it from someone who knows
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:30:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's because if they steal shit during the day, they're just a robber!
I know the meaning has expanded over time, so I'm just being pedantic for fun, not serious. But the common law definition of a burglary is breaking and entering to a dwelling at night, with intent to commit a felony therein.
Yep, the noise I heard at 4 am when I couldn't get back to sleep was someone breaking into my car in the driveway. Bunch of weird clicking sounds.
Went to the front window to figure out what was going on and saw this guy breaking into it. Knocked on the window and got a pretty good look at his face when he looked up.. white dude.. curly hair.. young.. (I have a street light at the end of my driveway.) Went to go grab the mag lite so I had a flashlight/beat stick and saw him WALKING down the street. He looked back at me, giving me an even better view of his face, (as well as cargo shorts, t-shirt, backpack, almost definitely teenager...) and then just kept walking. Called the cops, and they caught him maybe a 1/4 mile down a side street a couple minutes later. Apparently, he ran, they threatened to sic the dog on him.. then the first thing he said to the cop was "I didn't get anything out of his car!"
Probably not the brightest guy... but apparently he had several credit cards with different names on them, and a lot of loose change so it had been working for him. (I feel like the cops may have let me overhear too much when they had me do a driveby for positive I.D.)
Also of course my dog didn't bark at him, but had barked at... something.. probably that raccoon mentioned at around 1 am. Still a good boye, but apparently needs watchdog training.
It sort of just rolls over it, usually resulting in the flash drive's complete demise.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 04:04:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I didn't get anything out of his car!"
Don't ya just love idiots?
Viltris · 3 points · Posted at 10:59:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But if he said it before they read him his rights, can they still use it against him in a court of law?
Black6x · 14 points · Posted at 00:35:02 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes. Cops don't have to read you your rights when they arrest you. They only have to do it if they want to ask you questions while you are in custody. If this guy just starts blurting out confessions while they're handcuffing him, that's his problem.
Runixo · 3 points · Posted at 11:41:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I suppose it'd just be regular evidence, instead of any kind of confession?
tfm217 · 14 points · Posted at 04:26:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The unfortunate thing about my dog is that there are too many false alarms, she's always crying wolf (or barking wolf?) so now I just ignore her at night.
Until the day I get attacked in my sleep. Can't wait.
at least your dog barks at animals and people, mine will sit there and whine bc he cannot see what’s going on or bc he cannot reach what he’s whining about.
Happened to me, also did not have a dog at that time!
6thComm · 24 points · Posted at 03:20:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I nearly got jumped by 3 teens (I was ~27 at the time).
Beat them to my old reliable car, chucked all the toys and food on the front floor.
But they didn't realize I did have a dog. I had taken my Rottweiler that night to get food, you've never heard a more bloodthirsty snarl from an animal. I remember I even said "good dog" after her show.
Funny how quickly cocky people are when they think they have the upper hand, only to turn into giant cowards when they think they are about to get totally fucked up.
I'm happy they did, I wouldn't have liked to have seen the injuries even if they deserved it.
Yeah, my German Shepard X is slowing down now, she's eleven, but she's been a great guard dog. And I've lived - still do - in some dodgy places. She's still got a big bark on her. The only time she ever bitten someone was when a guy was trying to steal my bicycle over the yard wall. Very dramatic, this guy stuck at the top of the wall, screaming, with a large dog hanging from his leg. He made a limping, sniveling, bloody escape and I fed her sausages.
6thComm · 8 points · Posted at 12:56:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She was in my head that dog. I just about never had to give her commands, most of the time before I even went for a command she was already on a heel etc... just such a great animal to have.
She even had a pitbull run up, snap her on the nose and bolt and she just backed her head off like: ooooiiiii, whaaaat?
That one time was the only she was ever ferocious her whole life hey! She just knew that the car was hers and maybe picked up I was a bit uneasy with these guys? Don't know - she wasn't trained for it.
She died last September in my arms. Saddest day of my life. She was only 10.
I’m so sorry, you sound like you were such a good doggie parent to her ❤️
6thComm · 3 points · Posted at 13:33:01 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wish the world could have experienced that life with us. But that was for just us.
Our time was very special and I'm happy I knew it and treated her like I did when she was alive.
She was a very spoilt dog. Not overfed but lots of treats, ice cream, pizza, whatever I was having... she was so good too, I never had a reason to discipline her because she just was so good.
Thinking of her gets me sad. I miss her a lot. I'd tall about her but trying to write about her is hard. I'll never convey how much I cared for her or how unique she was.
Living in a high crime city, I started cleaning out my car of anything of value and leaving my doors unlocked. You might have your glove box rifled through but at least your windows are still intact.
Not an option. Around my neighborhood (very expensive property values, but lots of homeless people) your car will be stolen or used for sleep and heroin. I'd rather they pick an easier car, thanks. Leaving it open is like an invitation.
Leave a bit of weed and a pipe in an obvious spot. Last thief who went through my car saw that, smoked it and even left me a giant knife on my passenger seat as a thanks.
I don't want to identify myself too much, but I will say that when I lived on the South side of Houston, my cars were fine.
It was a really fucked up neighborhood, but I can only assume they figured we were as broke as they were (we were), so no point.
North side? Yeah, now I'm a target.
The other two Texas cities I've lived in "good" neighborhoods and I've had problems there too.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas are some of the most broken into/stolen cars, and they're the most regular econoboxes that exist. It's not a very good deterrent.
Can confirm. I do my laundry at my parents’ place because the laundry room in my apartment complex is tiny and the two machines it does have are god awful. About six months ago I came home really tired and thought my laundry basket would be okay in the back seat for just one night.
I woke up to a loud pounding on my door at 3 a.m. It turned out to be a police officer reporting that someone had smashed my back window, taken my basket of laundry, and scootered away into the night.
The police officer never even pretended to show any interest in helping me find the guy, and that early morning, an impeccably dressed thief was born.
Hah - my old man used to do that in a driveway in middle suburbia. His car was stolen and as he was driving to the Police station to report it (in another car, obviously) he found it
1_BDI · 2 points · Posted at 01:34:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happened to me too! Imagine surprise when the cops were pounding on my door at 3 am asking if I knew where my car was. It was completely surreal and of course the one night my video doorbell didn't work.
Actually, yeah, I've had 1.5 cars stolen because one thief was too stupid to figure out how remove the lock cylinder after they had it broken enough to pull out.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:22:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Alternately, you could get burgled in the middle of the day while you're at home sleeping, which happened to me the day after I had an operation. Good times!
E: I woke up because I heard the floorboard creak outside my bedroom door, opened it, and saw a guy standing there with my collapsible cat carrier full of my stuff. He ran out the back door, I did that WTF/double take thing then ran out the front, yelled 'Are you fucking kidding me?!', he laughed, then I chased him down the street in my pyjamas. Fucking asshole. Didn't even bring his own bag to rob me.
E2: I did not catch him. I was livid, as this was the fourth time I'd been robbed in ten years (first time anyone had been home), and was ready to kick the living crap out of him, but I was at a slight disadvantage (mostly because he had a car waiting around the corner); I'd had minor surgery on my wrist the day before and was still groggy from the general, I had no shoes on and my driveway is fucking gravel (not to mention the footpath being about a thousand degrees), and I was in my pjs. This was the most mortifying thing, as I knew the police members who attended (from when I used to work with them, I'm not a crim), and I looked like hell. 😑
E3: It hasn't been the same guy every time (we're pretty sure we know who it was at least two of the three other times, and this guy was so high he was seeing sounds, so I doubt he could get back here with an 8yr gap in between), and security measures have been taken to an extent, but there's only so much I can do. If someone wants to get in, they're going to get in.
Guys who broke into /my/ place used a bag of my potatoes to replace the gun they took from the top of the grandfather clock...? Riddle me that one, please.
Are Indiana Jones style pressure-traps commonly found on top of grandfather clocks and no one told me?
It's been years, I still haven't. No answer I have doesn't use video game logic.
Like - were they going to steal the potatoes, found the gun, but had a full inventory and couldn't carry anything else so they had to choose? They stole a package of fucking socks, I wouldn't be surprised.
Reminds me of that recent ad about furniture where the robbers have the exact same conversation about the couch as the owner and friend did. I just.imagine him realizing its the exact same fridge and he never got around to ordering a replacement drawer for the broken one...
Had that problem with our recent fridge. Ended up taking the entire bottom drawer out because it just kept taking hit after hit. So much more space now.
irdbri · 17 points · Posted at 02:47:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My place got broken into while I was at work and they used my bag as well!! It was my favorite grocery shopping bag that I always left by the front door. I was almost more upset that they took that than some of my electronics. Wtf crook
I was sitting at my desk in the middle of the day in my room after my roommates had both left for class. Usually only thr last person out would lock the front door. I heard the door handle jiggle a couple times and then open. I thought it was one of my roommates coming back early or something so I leaned back in my chair so I could see them when they came around the corner.
It wasn't my roommates. I don't want to perpetuate stereotypes but it was 3 black dudes. As soon as I saw them I said "Who the fuck are you?!" They stopped with the deer in headlights look and just all turned around and left. I locked the door and called the apartment manager. I didn't want to call the cops in case maybe they were just at the wrong place or something. It wasn't the first call they had gotten about people suspiciously going to different apartments. They called the police and I don't know what happened after that. It could have been a lot worse I imagine.
Friend of mine told me about the time he was working night shift; so he's sleeping on the couch in the afternoon in his apartment. There's a knock on the door, he ignores it he's trying to sleep. Then there's two guys standing in his apartment, and they say "Sorry, wrong apartment" and leave.
A few hours later he gets up and goes out and, yes, his door is locked. Outside, the police are all over the place, quite a few apartments have been broken into. He tells them what happened, and can tell them (joys of a small town) who the thieves are because he went to school with them.
Sort of like the other friend who was working the self-serve gas station late at night. Someone comes in and holds him up. He tells us what he told the police... "I went to school with the guy. Even with a ski mask on, I could recognize him..."
Some thieves in small towns are not the brightest bulbs in the tulip field.
That's so shit. Fuck that guy, being that he is so idiotic he's likely to have been caught at a later stage for another stupid stunt like that.
I was robbed last year in May, one of my cats has just now recovered and is learning to trust people again, I don't know what happened as he wasn't hurt but clearly traumatised. As long as you and your family and pets are safe, everything else is replaceable.
I always say that if anyone ever hurt my cats maliciously I'd go full Liam Neeson on them, I will learn kung fu and track them down and just really, really hurt them, not just physically, I will destroy their reputation and their relationships with everyone even their parents won't want to know them. I don't even care if I end up in jail.
We got a replacement phone and laptop back through insurance, but honestly, I was less cut up about this burg than the others. One other time all my mum's jewellery got stolen, and she died when I was a teenager. You can't get that stuff back.
I do not recommend this course of action if you're ever the victim of an aggravated burglary, though. He was very obviously high, and could've had a weapon on him, so I put myself in a lot of danger doing that. I really should've just shut and locked my door and let him go on his merry way.
-Kley- · 1 points · Posted at 04:08:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was probably the same guy... All four times!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 11:47:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What I never see in these stories on Reddit is where people reach into their nightstand for their .357 and make the home-invading bastard look like swiss cheese.
I've had someone break into my third floor apartment while my roommates and I slept. I do think it's out of the norm, but it does represent 100% of the times I've been burgled.
It was definitely planned in advance. We would leave a window open during parts of the year and we would get random guys (20-25) come knock on the door asking us to fill out surveys. We assume they came in the window, but when the police were investigating they found duct tape on our peephole as well. It was strange because I was up until 3 am that night so they must have been waiting. Roommate woke me up saying they took everything in the living room. They didn't take anything from our rooms luckily.
This was in Chile though. I had a friend tell me that the Chileans will rob you blind but they don't have the minerals to kill you. Lucky me I guess.
Right? My (anecdotal) experience taught me that violent home invasion can and does happen. Tough lesson to unlearn, easy lesson to sell on TV... I assume, I've only ever seen others do that part.
jodics · 30 points · Posted at 23:14:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone tried to break into my house at 2am! While everyone was in! With lights on!
Even in the south! I was asleep but my partner was awake (we have a light on 24/7 because I don't sleep well without one), he saw a hand poke through the open window at 3am. He shifted and robber seemed to have run off before my partner turned the back garden light on.
I was asleep but we've never left the window open while both asleep; at least one of us is awake whenever it's open. Good thing my partner didn't doze off!
Then again if they'd opened the window more and climbed in, I'm directly beneath it so they would've stood on me haha.
I wonder if they were chancing it rather than casing the house before, because again we never leave the window open at night if we're asleep. Typically I'm awake til 4am~ so it doesn't shut until then, that night I was just knackered and slept early.
My partner even had his laptop on so robber should've heard the noise...
There's some right daft people out there!
zao007 · 1 points · Posted at 11:52:07 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
One would assume that if you were in a situation where assassins would be gunning for you, you would know better than to take that advice at face value.
[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 23:42:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 01:09:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Grabbed a shotgun and waited for them
And this is why most burglaries happen during the day
Tell that to the fella who stole my Mac, my car, and my wallet. I thought I heard a broom falling over in the night wind, when in fact it was a night burglar...
Sounds like the same guy who stole my laptop, my credit card out of my wallet (but put my wallet back into my purse), and my car keys which he then used to steal my car. All in the middle of the night while I was sleeping. I never heard a thing.
The second time someone tried to break in at night they did it just by turning the door handle to see if it was unlocked. I was awake, sitting next to the door, watching tv. Freaked me out. Guy turned the knob very very slowly so it wouldn't make a sound, then pushed. I only locked the bolt. So creepy.
When I was about 14, I just didn't feel like going to school one day. Normally I was a kid who loved going to school. Spoke to Mum and told her, included that I'd do extra homework or something, she's like "weird, ok.. uh behave then..?". Normally don't lock the wire door, but for some reason, I figure I'm home alone lets do that.
Around lunch time, I see two guys, dressed in jeans and t-shirts, looking into the window. I feel absolute fear in my tummy. This is going back before mobile phones, so I'm literally home alone with two guys staring in the doorway. I've moved. They saw me. Hear the taller one say "shit", smaller one punches the other one in the gut as he stands up and rings the door bell.
I didn't want to be impolite. So I go to the door, answer it. He immediately reaches for the wire door to open it. It's locked. "Hi Honey, is your mummy or daddy home?". "Nope". He goes on to say "Ok, we're from the electricity company. We've heard about a fault in this area, can you let us in to check it out?". "I'm not allowed to let people in the house without an adult home. She's just gone down to the shops and will be back soon if you want to wait?" To which the taller one smacks the other guy on the gut and he says "no it's ok, we'll come back later".
They weren't lying about coming back because, our house got broken into a few days later.
One rather successful ($250k/year) burglar did an interview in a magazine a while back. He robbed houses when people were eating, which usually takes place furthest from the jewelry.
He also said that items near the house indicating a dog, especially a large one, would deter him. He wasn't so intimidated by security which isn't active when everyone's home. Might have been the same guy who knew how to thwart a security system, not sure.
He was good at leaving no evidence behind, but his driver sold him out.
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 23:47:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We got burgled the one time I took my dog with me when I went to a friend's house for a playdate. It was raining and I felt sorry for her being stuck under the patio.
I mean I can't be sure what would have happened if she was there, she's not huge (rottweiler/husky cross, 22kg), very friendly, and she can't bark because she's weird. They might have hurt her so maybe it's just as well she came with us that day. But on the other hand she might have put them off. Who knows.
Sounds about right. The "mysterious footprints" in the dirt/mud or snow around the house (depending on weather and time of year, naturally) always appear during the day. Some fuckwad tried wrenching open one of my ground floor window screens this last December (then gave up probably after he realized he would have to break the window anyway due to the bar in the track). Bent the shit out of the screen.
Also doesn't help that he tried it on the front window of a house across the street from a retired couple that are doing stuff all the time in the main room of their house with a perfect view of that particular window...
[deleted] · 35 points · Posted at 22:55:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The problem, is that I doubt all burglars are smart/decent people. Some of them would be dumb enough to copy the stereotype. Best to defend against all cases I guess, but especially day time.
Smigg_e · 16 points · Posted at 23:14:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've heard of a lot more burglaries happening in the middle of the night then during the day in my area. People do like to follow that stereotype.
My brother and his wife lived in Italy for 3 years. Some people broke into their house late at night while they were HOME and AWAKE...and the thieves ALMOST got away with a ton of their stuff too, except one of them nocked over something in the garage while stealing their vehicle...Never underestimate gypsies!
Larceny if someone is just breaking into your house during the day. Robbery requires that the theft occur by force, such as someone holding up a gas station.
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 23:05:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was robbed in the middle of the night 💁♀️
MZITF · 4 points · Posted at 23:38:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well come on down to Redding, California! Most burglaries do happen during the day when no one is home, but it is not uncommon for them to happen at night with people Home.
You left out the biggest reason why they don't want to break in while you're home. It's because they don't want to get shot and killed by a gun wielding home-owner while trying to grab your laptop. It's all about risk vs. reward.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:07:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly, where i live you simply don't break into people's houses in the middle of the night. Cars maybe, but inside the door and your a dead man.
Technically speaking, the law defines "Burglary" as breaking into a house during the night with the intent to commit a felony. I just learned this a few months ago and found it interesting.
Another fun fact: Americans burglarize. Brits burgle.
And now all the people who got robbed in the middle of night will come to tell you their story to refute this.
Best tips i have heard to reduce on burglaries: Get to know your neighbors; have a yappy dog; and live near places with active day time activity so people are always around with eyes on house.
If its happened a few times, wouldn't it then be a stretch to call it "extremely" rare?
I mean, thats the kind rarity you would see like a comet that passes by every 100 years, or even an eclipse.
Depends, if you read "it's extremely rare for a burglary to happen at night" as "when a burglary happens, it's extremely rare for it to be during the daytime" then it's a matter of how small the percentage that happen during the day is.
If a billion burglaries happen during the day, and 100 at night, that would mean that an extremely small percentage happen during the day, even though 100 is more than a few times.
Ah, I didn't think about it proportionally. Good point.
Erathen · 2 points · Posted at 01:17:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but their proportions are still waaaaay off, which sort of skews the point in his favor. There's only 7.6 billion people on the planet. "Extremely" rare might be a stretch after all.
So basically the complete opposite of where I live. Especially since my neighbor loves being friends with former convicts. Including a rapist who's back in jail.
I live around shady people and old people. No idea who lives on either side of my house on my side of the street. Cops visited the house on one side which I suspect was a domestic cuz I'd always hear them shouting at each other in the mornings but I've never seen them. The other side, not even sure if anyone lives in this house but supposedly someone does according to my landlord. Never see any lights or cars.
Then down from them there's the hoodies always on guys that always have a window cracked, blankets shittily hung to cover the windows as blinds, and hang out by a recovery group center smoking cigarettes.
Fun neighborhood.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 23:23:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My sister in laws house was burglarized in the middle of the night while they were sleeping. Even though she has cameras and 2 dogs, it didn't deter him away from doing it. The dogs were locked up inside a bedroom and when he broke in through a window the dogs started barking. By the time she heard all the commotion, her a her bf woke up and checked downstairs. Once they found out the window was open, they checked their footage and noticed a guy climbed into their house. He climbed in and out about 4 times with each time grabbing a load of stuff. The cops were notified and eventually he was caught.
Judging from this thread, it looks like midnight burglaries happen enough that it doesn't being "extremely rare". So, "from time to time" would be more apt.
Burglers are fucking terrifying man. If someone would break into my home when i was home i would be scared as fuck. Why'd you do it though? Is the profit really that good?
And breaking in while anyone is home is considered a home invasion. No one wants that
Decyde · 2 points · Posted at 00:18:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Worst part is you could protect your home for as little as a $125 motion tracking camera that would alert you on your phone if someone is in your home.
We've come a long way with home security and people still don't invest $250 in a set up that would help deter a random break in.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 01:23:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
camera that would alert you on your phone if someone is in your home
would help deter a random break in.
You might have already answered why everyone doesn't do this.
Decyde · 1 points · Posted at 01:34:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If someone wants to break into your home, nothing is going to stop them from breaking into your home.
If you have a motion tracking camera you can at least call 911 and report it while it's in progress and hope they are caught before they make off with your stuff.
No home is never safe but just doing small things like buying a camera setup for outside, posting "protected by ADT or whoever" signs up and just buying some motion tracking floodlights for outside all help the random break ins.
Those people will just move down and break into your neighbors garage or home without it.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 02:01:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If someone wants to break into your home, nothing is going to stop them from breaking into your home.
As someone who's been lockpicking for years, believe me I know. You see how this same logic applies to your camera though?
hope they are caught before they make off with your stuff.
Right, but the average person isn't going to go out and spend $250+ on an indoor camera on the off-chance someone will break into their home for the off-chance opportunity that they can catch them on their smartphone (especially when they make automatic alarm systems for this anyways...)
My ORIGINAL point though was that a camera inside your home isn't an effective deterrent for breaking-and-entering (arguably theft at most). If you've caught them on that camera, they've already broken into your home, potentially vandalized your property, and they can still make off with your stuff, regardless of the camera. A more effective deterrent would be a camera outside the home, or even a fake one. You can't deter a crime that's already happened.
Those people will just move down and break into your neighbors garage or home without it.
This is a really weak argument... I shouldn't protect my property because the thief is just going to go steal from my neighbor instead? That's not exactly my problem, unless he's paying me to install and maintain a security system.
Decyde · 1 points · Posted at 14:45:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, $250 is for outdoor camera's.
You can buy a motion tracking camera for under $100 anymore that will send you an alert if it's triggered. You don't need a top of the line anything anymore as many of the cheap camera's have great video display.
The only reason why a camera inside your home with motion tracking is 10 fold better than outside is that your outside camera's are just there to make people think twice.
If someone is breaking into your home then congratulations, you now have their face for police to not care and they looted your home.
If you catch a person in your home via the motion tracking camera and call 911, they will more than likely dispatch officers to the home then and there and catch the person.
It's more of a real time vs after the fact.
As for the "weak argument" it's how it is. If you have flood lights set up in the back of your home and someone like teenagers are looking to cause problems then just having those motion sensing lights alone are enough to deter them and make them go vandalize or steal from other homes.
So you should protect your home because it's your home. Your neighbors home isn't really your responsibility and if anyone ever had to pick between their home being broken into and their neighbors then you hope it's always theirs and not yours.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 19:20:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The only reason why a camera inside your home with motion tracking is 10 fold better than outside is that your outside camera's are just there to make people think twice.
Think twice about what? If you caught them on an internal camera, they've already broken into your home... That's my point. It might prevent theft at most (MIGHT), but it's not going to prevent burglary. I don't see how that makes it 10 fold better? Making people think twice/making them think your house isn't worth the trouble is EXACTLY what you want. Again, a video recording of someone inside your home hasn't deterred a crime.
You can get their face outside too... Police are required to dispatch officers either way. Again... A camera inside your home IS AFTER THE FACT...
All security is only meant to deter/delay/make people think twice.
motion sensing lights alone are enough to deter them and make them go vandalize or steal from other homes.
Exactly... Which is my point.
P.S. Quality cameras aren't cheap...
Decyde · 0 points · Posted at 01:19:16 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like I've stated above.... if someone is breaking into your home..... they are breaking into your home.
There is literally no way to stop this from happening regardless the locks you install or security you put in.
The entire point of this is having a motion activated camera inside will allow you to get police there to arrest people before they leave with your items instead of having a security camera set up to capture and report after the fact.
Getting their face means nothing to the police. Unless they know who it is, they'll put it on the news and if no one calls then it just remains an open case.
You don't need a 4k quality camera system to record someones face. Yes, the "cheap" $250-$500 systems are good enough to record peoples faces now and I list a price difference because it's the # of camera's or if they come with a X amount of storage device for the system.
So once again.... yes, having an internal camera with motion tracking is the best way to go to have the ability to phone police and have them prevent someone from walking away with your belongings.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 01:39:19 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the purpose of a good home security system is... It's not "to catch the bad" guy. It's to deter theft, and crime. You don't seem to understand that by the time someone has broken into your home and been caught on internal camera, a crime has already occurred. A camera system that fails to deter crime but catches the bad guy isn't 10 fold better than a camera system that will prevent people from even making an attempt. That money can be better spent on things that will prevent the crime before it's in progress... Calling the police is a last resort. People will try to break in, unless you make your property not worth the effort. Like you said in your previous post, they'll just try an easier target... So I don't understand where you're getting confused.
That's what you're not grasping.
If you recognize that the face is irrelevant, and police response is paramount, then you can easily purchase an alarm system that will actually make someone think twice about entering your home, and automatically contact authorities and alert you. You don't even necessarily need an subscription for it to be effective. There are plenty of cheaper options as well.
I'm not saying an internal camera has no function. But it's not the be-all-end-all of home security... That's a last resort, and even at that point, a crime has still been committed. Which is stressful, takes time out of your day, and has high potential to cost you more money.
My wife and I got robbed in the middle of he night. We were in our bed and someone walked into our living room and took our tv my wife’s purse and some off brand cell phone chargers.
rogert2 · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A buddy of mine got up in the middle of the night and stumbled across an intruder in the kitchen who apparently had been trying doorknobs in the neighborhood. The fellow bolted. Nothing was missing, so they assumed he ran into the guy just a few seconds after he entered.
This was ~2015 in a nice residential area of northeast Minneapolis, MN.
Perhaps some burglars have not worked out the wisdom of daytime robbery.
DeOh · 1 points · Posted at 00:15:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The amount of times I had cops called on me while hanging in front a friend's place... If I wanted to rob your house I wouldn't do it while you're in it.
It is alarming how often I have to remind my family of this. Logically it just makes sense, statistically it has been backed and yet the INSIST that our house might be broken into in the middle of the night with the entire family home so they can steal our stuff.
It happened to us. Everyone home and sleeping. When we woke up in the morning, our place was one giant mess. All cupboards and closets were opened and stuff was all over the place.
My 12 year old daughter told me that “LITERALLY NONE OF THE KIDS IN HER GRADE WILL EAT FROM [the pizza place right by our house]BECAUSE THE PEOPLE MAKING THE PIZZA PUT WEED IN IT!!!”
I figure 12 is old enough to learn that nobody is giving away weed. That shit ain’t free.
One of the most suprising things traveling through SEA was, reading the newspaper and seeing that they were executing 8 drug smugglers in Bali, then seeing tons of happy mushroom shake vendors.
The surprising amount of substances flowing through expats in Cambodia was up there as well. Being offered heroin by multiple nodding expats with most of them over 50 with 18-21 year old girlfriends and wifes.
It's pretty difficult to get addicted to mushrooms, coming down hard on people importing highly addictive stuff and letting the non addictive stuff slide is actually a pretty sensible drug policy.
I mean I can understand in a safe environment, but people still go crazy, especially tourists who do not know quite what the are getting themselves into. Also Indonesia has put people away for decades over marijuana, I would definitely not use them as the poster child for a sensible drug policy.
I'm not,Indonesia has a drug policy that seems to be based mostly on corruption, I'm saying somewhere like the Netherlands where mushrooms and weed are fine in certain areas or in private but you still come down hard on importers and sellers of the type of drugs people will rob their own family to get once they're addicted seems to be taking a step in the right direction.
You should order a pizza from there with a lot of extra oregano and if she refuses to eat it act (overact) stoned as you eat it. e.g.: "I don't understand what's happening here. The more of this pizza I eat, the hungrier I get!"
I had a wonderful experience with this. Went to Sihanoukville, on the west coast near Vietnam. Beautiful beaches, cheap drinks, and great pizzas :)
Ate a whole pizza each once, stumbled upon a place called Sonny's BBQ or something like that, and ordered a 3 pizzas for 6 people, so half a pizza each. Dude sends his kid off on a bike to grab weed, and he comes back with two grocery bags full, at least a few ounces, and we sit there for about an hour and order food while waiting for the pizzas. We eat them, go out and drink, and head back around midnight once we start to feel them kick in.
We had booked an island hopping tour for $11, and were planning on waking up before sunrise so we could watch it on a boat in the ocean while high from the pizzas we ate the day before. I was high from half a pizza for around 12-15 hours, because it took so long to digest, and this is coming from someone who practically a daily smoker. We did tell them to load the pizzas up for us though, hahaha.
One the best experiences of my life. Highly recommend Cambodia for anyone who is interested. Wonderfully kind people, amazingly clean, untouched beaches; just an overall beautiful country ruined by unfortunate historical events.
There are incredibly sad and moving museums there. The atrocities there can only really compare to the holocaust. But reading things and seeing them in person are two entirely different things.
That would be a terrible idea for me. Here I am eating all this Cambodian food for weeks while backpacking around and I see a pizza place. Thanks god, something from home. Order a giant pizza and end up a paranoid wreck for the rest of the day.
I lived in a town with a pizza place where it was well known that you could order a side of hash browns and get a dimebag, but it definitely wasn't free or tricky.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 00:54:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In the 90's in Eugene, Oregon several pizza delivery businesses happily participated in the "Pipes for Pizzas" program, I shit you not.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 02:01:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She's probably 1/2 right. The kids working at the pizza place are probably selling weed selling weed out the back door.
I don’t doubt for a second that someone is selling weed at a restaurant. I was under the impression that you couldn’t actually open a restaurant without the required pot dealer. I also happen to believe that she and her classmates are really big fans of gossip. Mob mentality, man.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:52:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but the drugs might jump out at any moment and smash her head into the windshield of a car like that egg.
Zsashas · 5 points · Posted at 01:14:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a very reliable source that has told me never to get certain ingredients from the local pizza place where he works. Fortunately i hate mushrooms anyway, but still...
Free weed is pretty common, but generally you'll make sure the person you're giving it to is a stoner in the first place before offering. Have tipped servers a joint or as much as a gram before (on top of a cash tip of course). The idea of drug dealers lurking around playgrounds trying to get kids hooked on drugs is a fabrication though.
It’s other kids offering it for free to kids. Especially to girls.
At least it was the case in my country, other teens would offer it to girls. So it does happen for free, and it’s best that parents know it’s a possibility.
But sure as fuck not in pizza in a restaurant to a random stranger.
It’s fellow kids/teens/college kids who want to try and make you to be one of them, or to open up to them/like them/all sorts of reasons that are more or less potentially bad intentioned especially when the expectation of sex is involved. Same reason guys try to ply girls with free drinks at parties etc.
(It might not be the same in every country, obviously. But some behaviors are universal, so you never know.)
There's a pizzeria (not far from where I live) where am employee was fired for putting weed in pizza. He wasn't a dealer but he thought people would get a hint of the weed and subconsciously order more pizza, not knowing why they thought it was so good. I just thought it was stupid and pointless since the weed didn't really have an effect as he was thinking.
Is it? Maybe it depends on education because at twelve, I was under the impression every human being I'd ever meet from then on would be trying to give me drugs.
Right after college a stoner I knew worked at a pizza place; I wouldn't rule out weed getting mistaken for oregano or something and accidentally put on a pizza.
robbbbb · 2 points · Posted at 02:27:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If that were true, all the kids 5 or 6 grades ahead of her would be there ALL THE TIME.
I would never ever ever show up to that pizza place. In fact, in an effort to make sure that I never go there. I need the name and address of said pizza parlor that has the audacity of putting weed in their pizza
Disgusting
lWVWl · 1 points · Posted at 01:58:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oregano is a hell of a drug
nickcan · 1 points · Posted at 02:03:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But most days people aren't giving away candy either.
Haha uhh.. my friend ran a late night pizza place from 9pm-4am. He sold weed and I delivered quite a lot of it. Although we never cooked any pizzas with it but easily could with all the cannabutter he had. Good times
My niece told me a couple years ago that she heard (in high school) not to buy the weed in our small town because people were lacing it with coke and meth. I told her to find out who was selling it like that and let me know and I’ll go buy it all up and burn it as a civil service lol she laughed and said “ that’s probably not true, is it?” I told her most probably not lol
Reminds me of an old pizza place i used to go to. When i was growing up there was a pizza place close to home. They got shut down for selling/dealing drugs. They didnt put it in the dough though.
This past Halloween, one of my FB friends put up the scare-share warning parents to make sure that people haven't given your kids Ecstasy in their bags. Ain't no-damn-body going to give a kid a $20 trick or treat gift.
JacP123 · 911 points · Posted at 22:30:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone in my town posted on facebook about how there were harmful drugs in their kids candy. Turned out the mom rewrapped rockets/smarties with melatonin and tried to pass it off as ecstasy in order to get on the local news
What the fuck compels someone to plant melatonin in their own kids candy and then pass it off as drugs?
EDIT (This is more self-centered than a gold thanks but w/e) This comment propelled me past 100k comment so thanks for making me a Reddit Centenarian <3
Trying to do parents a favor by making their kids sleepy for bed.
JacP123 · 58 points · Posted at 23:10:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its not even like it was some random person was doing this to other kids, this was a mom who made it up and took a picture of it in their own kids' candy bag to look like someone was giving out drugs to kids
I think I read somewhere that this whole drugs in the candy thing started when a father murdered his family with poisoning their Halloween candy. And then exclaiming it was the neighbors. So it seems plausible that people would use the rumour to do unspeakable acts.
JacP123 · 9 points · Posted at 04:15:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its like the whole "video games make you violent" thing. Something similar happened a while ago and now it makes helicopter parents and prudes nervous.
Kraymur · 6 points · Posted at 01:56:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People who need to be the centre of attention. Spend a bit of time over at /r/justNoMIL where that shit is commonplace and even fairly low on the crazy scale.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 00:41:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was a kid (50 years ago) there was a bit in the newspaper (remember those?) about a kid found a razor blade in an apple he got on Halloween. The same problem happened to several kids for the next few years. The police were sure that most of these were copy-cats trying to get their faces in the news. But then, apples and (sewing) needles are a lot cheaper than drugs.
Well naturally. (Disclaimer: Nobody should ever give them a neurotoxin of any kind.) Just wondering out loud what the high would be like at a low or comparable dose.
iuvbio · -8 points · Posted at 01:27:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You obviously have no clue what MDMA is, it doesn't come in pills (pure)
Mdma pills are common if youve been anywhere near drugs, idk what type of scene youre in. youre trying to sound smart by implying I said mdma pills were any type of pure, yes there is binders and fillers, yes theyre pressed by sketchy guys, test your shit. But cmon, youre really gonna stand behind your comment like I was saying pills were pure mdma? That was nowhere near the point of my comment and you know that.
Ive probably handled more mdma powder than you have dude, idk why you want to go around gatekeeping and acting like a dick
Yeah go ahead and frame it like that if you want dude, im not trying to impress anyone im just saying I do have an idea what Im talking about to that dick saying i dont even know what it is.
I mean, the experience is quite a bit more nuanced than that. For example, the drug makes a lot of people feel extremely empathetic toward others. Obviously giving any undeveloped brain a neurotoxin is a despicable idea, but I still wonder what their experience would be like as compared to ours.
riin11 · 4 points · Posted at 00:13:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I certainly never felt like that as a kid, you must have taken some bad pills.
As a Catholic school kid in the 80's the nuns used to warn us to never pick up stickers off the street. Apparently dealers like to drop them on the ground to get unsuspecting children to trip balls. Riiiiight.
Back in the mid '80s, when I was in 5th grade, that one made it to our school, too. Only thing was that we were a rural as fuck school, so there were no sidewalks, so the urban legend there went that they would walk up and hand you scratch and sniff stickers full of LSD. Even as a kid, that one sounded a bit like bullshit.
In our area, it was always the dentists that gave them out.
Louis83 · 10 points · Posted at 23:02:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
$20? What the heck?
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 23:40:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What are you confused about?
fx32 · 12 points · Posted at 00:06:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Price of mdma is very region dependent, but $20/pill would be expensive I guess? Living in a Dutch town, they tend to be under €5/pill locally, sometimes as low as €20/g — although twice as costly in Amsterdam.
I have paid 40$ before for one pill. It was a very good pill, but that was US prices in early 2000’s , never even thought much of it. They were double stack Mitsubishi turbos after all.
Louis83 · 1 points · Posted at 01:38:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's a very similar price as here in Berlin.
AFAIK Most of our stuff comes from you guys 😂
fx32 · 1 points · Posted at 08:21:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Netherlands, Belgium and Poland are the main producers, so Germany is in a good spot ;)
I mean, I was thinking it'd be something like $30 or $50 for one. So its a bit cheaper than I thought. Then again, I dont know anything about the drug market
The original scare was a man who did it to his own kids and gave the candy out hoping others would eat it so he could collect on some sort of insurance.
none of the other parents did though, and only his kids suffered the tainted candy.
Damn. $20? When I use to roll/sell, I was paying about 3-5 dollars a pill. When I sold them it was still only 10 or so. I considered 15 to be taxing them. This was only about 10 years ago. Have they gone up that much or are they just that high in your area?
uniptf · 1 points · Posted at 14:42:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do not believe it's appropriate to have sex with your trick-or-treaters.
I live between two universities. One is six blocks from my house in one direction, the other is eight blocks from my house in the opposite direction.
College girls in "slutty (anything)" Hallowe'en costumes FTMFW.
Last year, a t-o-ting group came around made up of one college guy holding the handles of 12 long leashes that each led to a college girl dressed as close to indecent exposure without actually getting arrested as you can imagine.
I would have sex with most of my t-o-ters, and so would you.
Yea, I feel like that applies to harder, more addictive drugs. MJ or even coke, most people start dealing bc it’s cheaper to buy in bulk and friends start wanting to buy, no?
My aunt's drunken llama Susie that wears moon rocks for hoofs says 'drugs are expensive, and I'm not gonna waste them on kids that can't appreciate it!'
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 20:59:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Quazite · 16 points · Posted at 21:33:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol not if they just eat a candy bar and start feelin funny. It's not like they're like "wow I really like this extacy that I just took let me go back to this address I got it from and buy more". If you give a little kid drugs all he's gonna be is confused, even if it does feel nice.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:40:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like to think the misspelling of ecstasy was deliberate as a metaphor for the kids’ ignorance and naivety
Quazite · 1 points · Posted at 02:39:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most people that use drugs aren't addicts, just like most people that drink aren't alcoholics. It's just as common to share drugs as it is to buy a buddy a drink.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 21:58:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why are you telling me this and where in my comment do I state anything similar?
[deleted] · -6 points · Posted at 22:15:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is. Drug addicts aren't balanced people. Not saying they arent successful one way or another just stating the obvious. Also, most drug addicts are infact unbalanced troubled individuals.
I've met hundreds, if not thousands of people that take drugs recreationally, and they tend to be lovely, kind people. But I guess psychedelics are a completely different world to that of heroin and meth.
Yeah, it's just I get the sense that a lot of people think that everyone that takes drugs is an addict. I'd like to see that perspective change, because some drugs could do a lot of good in the world.
Try hanging out with drug dealers and drug users. They share very often. Maybe it's so they don't feel alone or don't want to feel weird about it by being the only one but they share. Actually maybe it's so they feel confident someone isn't going to call the cops on them, lol. Maybe it's because they hope that people will share with them if they get drugs.
The profit margins are so crazy on drugs that it's ludicrous to think they'll care about losing profits on a small amount rather than potentially gain a new customer. Try just going to Costco sometime and ask yourself why they give away free food that they could sell. The people that I know that run shops are very generous. I casually mentioned using it for arthritis and one of them gave me a large jar of top shelf product just to give it a try. I don't think I've ever witnessed someone doing a bump of coke without offering it to everyone in the room.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:33:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plot twist: a new customer isn't going to be a trick or treating 8 year old. Lol.
It wasn't the Halloween part I was objecting to, just the reasoning that people don't give away drugs for free. People do it all the time so saying that it's not likely because drug dealers would rather sell it is not accurate at all. Besides that if you think about it even a little bit it falls apart. If a person is determined to poison kids they're not going to pause because of the price of drugs. It's like saying a criminal wouldn't shoot you because bullets are so expensive these days.
That's always the argument I use when people start to get uppity about Halloween candy. "Exactly 0% of people who have drugs are giving them away to random children...for free." I mean, people who smoke pot are likely to share with you but they're not just gonna give you a joint and say "you go have fun now" even if you're friends. The ecstacy pills that look like candy? Yeah, it's not like you're going up to someone's door and they're like "oh shit we don't have any candy, uhhhhh here have some o these."
People who do drugs want to keep their drugs. People who sell drugs want money for their drugs. Neither of those people are giving drugs away for free to children. Get over it.
focesar · 2 points · Posted at 21:29:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe the only documented case of Halloween candy being tampered with was when a father killed his son with cyanide-laced Pixy Stix to collect the insurance money. Here are a couple of links, I can post more later if anyone is interested. What a sick piece of shit.
[deleted] · 57 points · Posted at 21:59:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
By far the worst part was when the kid complained he didn't want to eat anymore because it tasted wrong and the dad just handed him some Kool-aid and told him to keep eating. That and the fact this psycho was willing to not only fatally poison his own son, but potentially other neighborhood kids, HIS ONLY OTHER FUCKING KID, and throw an innocent man under the bus. I hope by everything this scumbag is burning in Hell where he belongs or is at least in prison. Despite how horrible the US prison systems are (can't say first hand, never been) this man is one who deserves everything he gets there.
There was another case where a toddler got into his uncle's heroin stash and died, and his parents put the heroin on his candy after the fact to protect the uncle. It caused a panic before the police figured out what happened.
The jury took 71 minutes to sentence him to death.
During the execution, a crowd of 300 demonstrators gathered outside the prison cheered while some yelled "Trick or treat!" Others showered anti-death penalty demonstrators with candy.
Holy shit. At least they made the best out of this fucker's death.
EXACTLY! I live in WA state, where marijuana is legal, and all my uptight neighbors were using scare tactics about watching out for marijuana laced edible candies being handed out amongst the Snickers bars. Most edibles I've noticed are $3-7 apiece depending on what you're getting. Shits too expensive to be handing out by the handful.
bothole · 9 points · Posted at 20:39:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Absolutely, the only way to do it economically would be to make your own laced candy and that's an awful waste of weed and time just to get some kids high.
WaGLaG · 25 points · Posted at 21:14:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
D.A.R.E. = Drugs Are Really Expensive.
dseszu · 114 points · Posted at 17:20:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why would a kid be buying drugs ?
And how would he know who gave him the drugs ?
Because I’m sure if they were trick or treating and a guy actually told him he’s giving him drugs, then the kid obviously wouldn’t take them.
Therefore drugs are laced in somehow , in that case they don’t know who the dealer is
zk3033 · 21 points · Posted at 20:37:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don’t think we can reason out something that wasn’t reasoned into the first place
Way back in the 90s a couple of legitimate crimes were blown out of proportion to get parents to no longer trust home-made goods, which were common once upon a time at Halloween. Big win for candy company sponsors.
It actually did happen by accident in my town this past year. Somebody found pot gummies belonging to another member of the house and added them to the pot of candy they were giving out. They gave out like... 5 packs before they figured out what had happened and called the cops, freaking out. The cops determined there was no malice, didn't charge them (the owner of said gummies had them legally), and warned neighbourhood parents.
IIRC, the only case in which something like that has happened, which wasn't drugs or even blades or needles, but actually poison, was a father who intentionally poisoned his kids (and another kid so that it wouldn't seem suspicious) so they would die and he could collect the life insurance policy on them he had VERY RECENTLY filed. I know he was caught but I can't recall if all the kids died. Anyone, feel free to correct me or link any related article.
Edit: thanks to u/SamWillsy for linking the relevant article, and correcting me. Feel free to check his reply for the link.
Especially something like Ecstasy. Meth or heroin makes sense sort of (not really) since it's addictive, but why would you just give kids a non addictive drug that's too expensive to give away with no way of recontacting them?
zMelonz · 7 points · Posted at 20:27:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even the most addictive drug on the planet isn't addictive the first time you use it. On top of the fact that the person wouldn't even know why they felt that good so they wouldn't know what to buy.
On a side note. Most drug dealers and users have morals enough to know the minimum age they feel comfortable sharing. Sure a stoner might let a friend take a rip on the bong, but they're not going to let an 4 year old do it.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:07:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you telling me you can smoke the DEVILS 😈 lettuce and have morals?!
kaeroku · 15 points · Posted at 19:51:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
First time is always free. That's how they get you.
What kid eats the stuff right at the door though? It'd probably be consumed in the house or at school.
Spazmer · 5 points · Posted at 22:26:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This was the same with peer pressure at school. If anything, we were running away to smoke up with our coke can pipe so we didn’t have to share. 1 gram split between 8 people is ridiculous.
When I lived in PA, after we finished trick or treating; my parents would make us take our bags to the local police department and put them through a CT scanner (?)
kisarax · 1 points · Posted at 18:36:29 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
same - found a random battery once
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:28:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mabye they're just trying to be nice? /r/wholesomedrugsinhalloweencandy
You can't lace weed with cocaine hcl (powder). You can't properly smoke it without at least adding something to alter the burn temp. I mean, you could sprinkle coke in a joint or something but it would be a huge waste. Even sprinkling base cocaine (crack) in a joint wouldn't smoke very well, and you'd fucking taste it immediatly. The notion is just retarded and only morons would bother with such a stupid idea.
PRRKRR · 3 points · Posted at 22:51:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I figured someone would say this
Sprinkling it in a blunt isn't super uncommon, and it works. It's a waste, but people do it. Mostly works due to vaporization, not the actual burning of the cocaine.
I hate when people think something doesn't happen because they haven't seen it. I've seen someone freak out because they accidentally hit the wrong blunt and suddenly were in a way different high than expected...and find out it has coke in it. Same thing with PCP, though that's common for cigs to be dipped in too.
People do it because either they don't care with coke or they think its funny to fuck with someone(with both)
Don't mean that's why they put it on, they do that to get high. I mean why they'd offer it or let someone hit it who asks.
Isn’t PCP super hard to get hold of as well? Can’t imagine the average weed dealer would have that lying around and giving it to your customers without letting them know would be a good way to have them never buy from you again.
PRRKRR · 1 points · Posted at 22:52:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
PCP is incredibly easy and cheap to get in the hood. And I'm speaking on people letting someone else smoke at something like a party.
The things you learn. I doubt any of my friends would be able to hook me up so we’re clearly not ‘hood’ enough!
I have heard of angel dust in joints but it sounded like an extra you would pay for or that a friend would do rather than being a surprise your dealer hadn’t bothered to mention.
PRRKRR · 1 points · Posted at 00:07:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh yeah, a dealer is pretty unlikely to just include that shit
I'm just speaking on people smoking it and letting you hit it or something. That's typically how people end up unknowingly smoking something.
A customer of mine once directed me to a guy named Tom Lehrer who put it as so:
"Doing well by doing good. He gives the kids free samples, Because he knows full well. That today's young innocent faces. Will be tomorrow's clientele."
I believe the poisoned or drugged candy story is a not so urban legend originating from when a psycho dad killed his own son (for insurance money) with halloween candy. He was nicknamed The Candy Man, which later became a terrible movie. This was in 1974. There are no other reports of poisoned candy from any other Halloween, or any other halloween candy related deaths.
I think the idea is to get them addictive like an investment the same way free to play games force you to make a fake purchase and games start you with a free lootbox
Jsc_TG · 1 points · Posted at 21:50:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or just in general. They don’t give away that stuff like they make it out to be.
This "happened" in my city this Halloween. Knowing the local PD though they were just watching all the hype build up around it and planted the story cause I can't for the life of me see someone handing out an edible THC gummy to some kid. The wrapper didn't even look like candy...
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially in candy, kids fucking vore that shit down.
Don’t buy drugs. Become a pop star and they give you them for free!
animica · 1 points · Posted at 00:42:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once was on the emergency room waiting for the doctor, there was a lot of people waiting as well and a man sat next to me. He started talking about God and his church, and he started telling me how dangerous it most be for me, a young lady, to go out to a bar because someone may put drugs in my drink. I told him drugs are quite expensive and noone was giving them up for free at any bar. He was shocked but at the same time started saying, yeah, that actually makes sense.
So I don't do drugs or ever have but I believed this as a kid:
The reason I believed this was as follows:
If a drug dealer gave you some drugs and you got addicted to them, the $20 "trial" is just a small acquisition fee for your future almost guaranteed business (if the drug was addicting). This works well if its a smaller town where there is one distributor for the drug they got you hooked on.
Maybe it's flawed, but I justified this common reasoning in this way.
I had an old roommate try to explain that you couldn't really slip on a banana peel, it would just mush.... so he proceeded to demonstrate by stepping on a banana peel and his leg went flying out from under him causing him to fall in the most hilarious way possible.
DrEnter · 259 points · Posted at 03:06:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Explain what you are doing again for the camera...”
bronk03 · 33 points · Posted at 03:59:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was really funny at first, but then I thought more about what if it had happened to me. I mean, you see this stuff on tv all the time, but you NEVER see it happen to anyone. What does this mean? How poorly am I living my life that I don't have the awareness to dodge a static brightly colored object? I'd never be the same anymore.
I was here browsing Reddit, you know? Trying to kill time while I'm at work. I had just been amused by this meme about Jesus flipping tables and whipping people. It was great seeing all the hilarious comments, so I didn't think anything could hold up against that. Then I read about the banana peel guy. Unreal. That shit actually happens in real life! I needed to take a break after that to ponder if that same fate could ever cross my path. What a day.
Negativo, my friendo. But if you check OP's pants, you'll find a suitable banana sized banana smear on the left cheek area. Measure the world with it! Enjoy.
It's pretty simple. I am an American who was working in China. I was in a fancy shopping area where they made the sidewalk out of shiny bricks. I slipped and slide across the steps. I looked down and I was stepping on a banana peel. I couldn't believe it and looked around to see if anyone noticed but no one seemed to. So I just laughed by myself for a few seconds and then carried on my way.
[deleted] · 59 points · Posted at 22:47:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know that the first half is true... But that's how good lies work. So I am now even more skeptical of this theory...
pajam · 13 points · Posted at 02:23:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'll make it more believable:
...thus the origin of the trope and the reason why today’s bananas aren’t really as slippery as the bananas from 1998, when The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.
Ulti · 8 points · Posted at 02:29:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The trope is apparently a sort of visual euphemism entertainers used for slipping on horse manure that used to cover the streets before horseless carriages.
Not necessarily true. There is a rather infamous court case called Anjou v. Boston Elevated Railway Co. from 1911. A woman (Anjou) slipped and hurt herself on a banana peel. Case is about whether it was negligent to leave a banana peel on a Railway platform.
There's also Joye v. Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co. from 1968.
Interesting - noun - Not necessarily true. There is a rather infamous court case called Anjou v. Boston Elevated Railway Co. from 1911. A woman (Anjou) slipped and hurt herself on a banana peel. Case is about whether it was negligent to leave a banana peel on a Railway platform. See also: Joye v. Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co. from 1968.
Banana peels are legit slippery as shit, this surprised me when I first stepped on one, because I totally thought it was just a movie / cartoon trope, but I could totally see it happening to someone.
My most disliked teacher at school slipped on a banana peel in front of the classroom coming in to teach us. She broke her arm and never came back. I'll never witness such a thing again.
I was carrying a plank of wood by myself when someone called to me and I swung it around almost hitting a guy who ducked outta the way, and then ducked again and again as I kept swinging it around because I got confused by people calling.
I slipped on a banana peel at school. I was in the process of kicking a ball, planted my foot on a banana peel and went arse over tit. It was cartoonish.
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 22:48:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did this too once and because of the old cliche couldn't stop laughing for a good 5 minutes. After dusting myself off could barely stand for the silliness of the situation.
Psionz · 5 points · Posted at 00:14:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did this on purpose once. Threw a banana peel on the floor laughing to my friends about how stupid it was that people always slip on them in cartoons. I proceeded to to do a kind of skip/jump on to the said peel and went arse over tip.
It’s amazing how slippery they actually are. I didn’t realize it until I was victimized by compost. I guess it’s true that stereotypes are based on some truth.
Under the right circumstances I can whip a tablecloth off of a fully set table, everything on the table staying in place. It’s not that hard and it’s never perfect: slick tablecloth, not too long table, sharp confident tug & plenty of room for follow through once inertia is established in all bodies (polyester hotel table cloths and heavy duty hotel dinnerware is perfect). And usually a glass or candlestick will fall or wobble or whatever. But people are a-fucking-mazed when they see it because it’s a cliche thing no one thinks anyone can actually do. People may comment on this - “r/thathappened” or “no you can’t gaybeard, shut up”. But I promise, I can do it. You can, anyone can. Just grow a pair and try.
That's awesome. It seems to me it's on par with flipping an omelette or something - you can do it, you just have to be confident and just do it- which is the part I can't get.
This used to be a huge problem in the US back in the early 1900s. When I was in law school, we read SO MANY tort cases about people getting injured by slipping on banana peels people left on the ground.
Once, when I was a kid, I saw a banana peel laying on the dirt road when I was walking home from school. I thought to myself it’s so ridiculous how they make it seem like banana peels are slippery in cartoons and decided I would step on it to really show them. Pretty weird logic but I was a child...I fucken slipped.
My buddy slipped on a banana peel one time when we were drunk and walking down the street. It was a very dramatic fall too just like you see in the cartoons! We must of laughed for an hour straight.
My girlfriend broke her arm last summer by skateboarding over a banana peel. I told her to move it out the way before skating. Spoiler alert: she didn't listen lol
I used to work at a smoothie shop in a mall foodcourt. It was extremely busy and we went through probably hundreds of bananas a day. Obviously some ended up on the floor. They definitely are slippery and I probably slipped on one weekly. I also injured myself at least a few times hitting my head or knee.
sewsnap · 2 points · Posted at 03:33:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Have kids who like bananas. Happens a lot more often then you'd think.
I stepped out of my car at school once right onto a banana peel and slipped hard falling backward, caught myself on the door which then slammed shut right on my arm and face simultaneously. Once I wiggled my way out and stood up all I could do was laugh at myself like a maniac. I was returning from lunch and had thrown that peel out the window about 4 hours earlier in the day when I arrived and parked in the same spot.
TL;DR: You can really slip on banana peels and Karma is a real thing.
I could barely believe it happened! I was surrounded by people, and I looked around to see if anyone noticed and no one seemed too. I told my friend with me what happened, and she didn't seem to realize how amazing it was. I need better friends.
Me too! I actually took a pic of it after because I thought no one would believe. This was like 6 years ago though, so I have some digging to do in my pic files....
I once crashed my car through a watermelon stand while being chased by russian spies and i took a moment to absorb it because it happens only omce a month.
This happened to me too. Couldn’t believe it actually happened, took my time to absorb it too because I knew it wouldn’t happen again
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 09:59:26 on February 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once I was in my room and I heard a bang from the kitchen so I went out and found my mum on the floor. I asked what had happened and she pointed to a banana skin on the floor. She got angry at me because I was too busy laughing to see if she was okay.
Someone is running away from someone, skateboards around or under the glass narrowly missing it, men carrying it breathe a sigh of relief, the car/person/skateboarder chasing them goes right through.
Apparently, the bulb was working perfectly when they first encountered it but then it 'fell down some stairs'.
jt004c · 14 points · Posted at 23:03:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife and I just witnessed this a few weeks ago in Portland. We stopped and watched because it was so comically stereotypical of a work scenario like this. Then, confusingly, they went back across to the same busy street to where they started, then they crossed again.
At this point we looked around and noticed the cameras filming them from atop various buildings.
dv4der · 5 points · Posted at 22:15:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
all you need to do is break so big glass windows... they will come back.
I also... saw this when visiting a friend at a college many years ago. Are you me? Was this in Cleveland? Or is this just a product of drunk college students always breaking stuff.
It happened to me. I turned a corner in a neighborhood with a bunch of shops and nearly walked into two men carrying a big sheet window. I was like, "Woah, it DOES happen!"
Ugh, I wish there was a clip of it, but on the show Great News, there was once a character rushing through an office and encountered two guys carrying a pane of glass, so she went around it, cursing the obstacle. After she passes, the two guys go, "Okay, that was good practice for carrying a pane of glass" and it turns out there was no glass at all, it was a dry run. (Great show btw, very 30 Rock, please watch)
For some reason I love this example. I have literally never seen 2 guys walking across the street carrying a big pane of glass!
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 22:20:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Okay what's the cartoon where two guys carrying glass decide to carry it horizontal and then someone runs into it and gets cut in half? I can't remember but I know I've seen this....
Finally, my intense AD knowledge pays off. You're thinking of American Dad 8.12 The Wrestler. A teacher runs through it and a kid with no legs takes his bottom half and runs away. I couldn't find a link so you'll take this instead:
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:01:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
THANK YOU. I've watched most of American Dad, but I also watch quite a few cartoons so they all blurred together on this memory. I thought it might be American Dad after I ruled out most of my other options, but gave up on finding the episode when I couldn't find a link either.
Once saw two guys carrying glass panes up a steep flight of stairs on my way to the dentist. Finished my appointment and as I'm walking down that same stairs, my dad suddenly shouted at me to cover my eyes.
My 5 year old self's morbid curiosity wasn't going listen and I glanced down. Blood and glass shards EVERYWHERE trailing down the stairs.
Turns out one of the guys had slipped and fell because of how steep it was. Of course the glass pane they were carrying shattered everywhere. The guy cut himself real bad on the shards and had to be picked up by an ambulance. Hopefully there were no lasting damages but I think of that incident every time I visited that dentist during my childhood.
Yeah for real I know it's depicted in comedies or whatever, but I see it as more of a "this is a plausible situation" than "this is something we all see dozens of times a day."
I SAW THIS ONCE! GRANTED IT WAS AT MY DAD'S BODY SHOP AFTER A WINDOW GOT BROKEN BUT I SAW IT! I also saw it inside a lot, but really, do windshields count?
When i was in highschool i dropped acid with a friend of mine and we tgought it would be a good idea to steal a large pane of glass from a renovated home. Im pretty sure thats the only time ive seen 2 people do that
I know no one will believe me, but there's a glass manufacturer in the city I live in and I have to drive past it to work and will occasionally see two people moving a big pane of glass, but it's mostly multiple panes on a rack on the back of a truck.
I used to be one of those guys! It wasn't typically across the street (although that happened a few times). It was typically from the garage/driveway to the house. I did chuckle any time somebody walking by saw though.
I saw 2 guys walking across the street carrying a big pane of glass... and accidentally hit something made of metal with it. The glass shattered. Felt so bad for these guys.
I've done that many times since I work for a glass company, The uncommon part is seeing it being carried through public walkways. That shit is usually pretty damn heavy if it needs 2 people to carry it, so you wanna get as close as possible to where it's gotta go before you manually lift it.
A CEO of a major company almost never commits murder. Watching Prime Time TV, it happens all the time.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:20:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I drive by a glass manufacturer everyday. They do all sorts of custom stuff, delivery and installation. I have seen more people walking with glass than i can count.
I stepped on a rake and hit myself in the face with the handle. I legit didn't understand what happened (it was dark) and did it again five seconds later. Wasn't even mad, was glorious
DeFex · 1 points · Posted at 02:57:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did not know that would actually work outside cartoons!
I carried a pane of glass once. Didn't know to wear gloves. The guys at the glass place looked at me weird but said nothing. Didn't hurt until I saw the blood.
Flafnir · 2 points · Posted at 03:32:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see this almost every day, then again I work about 500ft away from a place that makes custom windows. Some of the engineering behind transporting giant panes of glass is pretty interesting.
Scrolling through some saved stuff rn and noticed it- my dad and I were walking around town and noticed two guys carrying a large mirror across the street, I pointed it out to him and we had a nice chuckle. Anyways, I can now confirm that although rare it does happen.
As someone who's job it is to carry around big panes of glass, it surprises me how few people have seen it and how interested people become. I've had groups of people watching as I installed glass. It's weird.
Mig3tsu · 1 points · Posted at 22:11:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once saw two guys carrying an big window glass when i was at driving school. Even my driving teacher said jokingly: "Drive through that glass like in the movies hehheh"
And I'd be willing to bet most of them already had their plans successfully in motion when they dropped out, rather than dropping out without a concrete game plan
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kisarax · 4 points · Posted at 18:45:18 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
My grandpa's son (grandpa by marriage) went to UT with Michael Dell in some of his classes and just kinda quit after Dell went big. lol
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 20:13:06 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
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kisarax · 3 points · Posted at 12:20:48 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
he did for a minute, but he dumb and messed that up
I wouldn't even say waste of time. They likely just got a great opportunity before they were done, and that made it a waste of time or maybe a liability.
I got my job offer before I was done school, for example. Thankfully they were fine with waiting for me though because I do feel more secure having that piece of paper.
Same for my son. He went to college for one year. Dropped out when he got an offer as a contract worker for the State as a computer programmer. A little over three years later he is with a start up and sitting on over a million in stock options, plus making 70K+. It can happen.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:44:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
His mom and I were of no help to him in a direct sense. I can barely operate windows, she's not much better. He learned coding starting in Jr High, mostly on his own. It's what interested him. He would stay up all night talking online with programmers and others interested in it.
What we did do right IMO is to challenge him to follow his dreams. Most people would freak if their 14 yr old was up at 2:00 working on little projects. We let him do his thing. And from the day he was born, no baby talk, no one word explanations or "because we said so" answers. If he asked a question we broke it down for him in detail. Sometimes way beyond what even he wanted. Seemed to work. His brother just got accepted to Pharmacy school. So we must have done something right.
If you're in school to learn business, and you learn enough in two semesters to start your business, then it takes off really well, then yeah you should drop out and see to that.
fluo74 · 12 points · Posted at 00:31:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
also business endeavors. if it fails, they can always go back
For every Bill Gates there is everyone on the planet not doing as well as him after dropping out. We are massively biased as a culture toward looking at what the most successful and almost always advantaged people do, instead of looking at how the average person manages well.
[deleted] · 32 points · Posted at 23:07:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Survivors bias and economically speaking, the idea they had was so valuable that they needed to enter the market or lose to potential competition with that idea. the opportunity cost of staying in college and potentially losing to someone with the same idea was too great.
So for the ones that want to drop out, do you have something that outweighs college?
Not just that, but they were also on their way to becoming billionaires when they chose to drop out of college, and pretty much all were in tech.
If Facebook completely failed in 2006 and Zuck had to shut it down, he'd still be a lot more valuable on the labour market than someone with a completed degree, even from Harvard, if only due to his experience running a moderately successful startup.
Quite a few people in tech are entirely self-taught, and he would have learned way more running FB than he would have in university.
Plus, IIRC, Gates dropped out after writing BASIC in his spare time while at college.
The absolutely astounding thing was... He wrote it by hand from the assembler manuals for an 8080 because he didn't have a computer to work on. Then hand-punched a paper tape with the program (including boot loader) on it. They took it to a computer show and got someone to load the tape, and it worked first time!
That feat alone is worth 60 billion dollars.
apawst8 · -5 points · Posted at 02:49:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One man? Four of the ten richest people in the world dropped out of college (Gates, Zucks, and the Google founders).
gqgk · 20 points · Posted at 03:41:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Google founders dropped out of their PhD program. They had finished their undergrad already.
Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Carlos Slim, and Warren Buffet have degrees.
The founders of Google have undergraduate degrees and dropped out of a PhD program, and Mark Zuckerberg dropped out as an undergrad, both in events that clearly demonstrate a pattern. If there is correlation between dropping out and becoming a millionaire/billionaire it is mostly because people found opportunities that were a more valuable use of their time than finishing their degree program, and not because college was holding them back, per se.
They had ideas and knew how to execute them. In the case of Zuckerberg, he was tried by the school administration for overloading their network (because of a joke hot or not site he made).
umichs · 4 points · Posted at 02:38:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bill
Plus a good number like Bill Gates came from wealthy families so they could afford to spend a few years chasing their dreams and could even go back to college if things didnt work out.
The reason you see these successful people dropping out of top schools because someone who's at these top schools already inherently has a much larger chance of being successful in life than someone in community college because they put in the work to get where they are. Not necessarily because the education is just SO much better that it can't even compare with any other non-elite university
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 08:27:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And they drop out now because they failed... But because going to a place like Harvard was holding them back... Think about that for a second. For 99.99% of people, going to Harvard would be a dream and open doors. For these people, it was holding them back.
Yeah and a lot have parents with connections. Imagine where Bill Gates would be if his mom hadn't been able to introduce him to wealthy people as my son bill who owns a computer company.
Also they drop out because they are wasting their time going to MIT or Harvard rather than creating their multi-billion dollar corporations
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:05:22 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you are dropping out of an ivy league school then almost certainly you have a good reason for doing it. Like I don't think Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg or Lil Pump would have dropped out of harvard for nothing.
they don't make tools like they use too... fuck that give me my impact gun! i don't want to use your grandpas corded drill that weighs 30 pounds. Tools that are old and look brand new are tools that were never used for a reason.
squeel · 2 points · Posted at 17:21:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then you're not that smart. If the only thing standing between you and a free ride to MIT is a "stupid test" and the fact that you don't like to leave your house, you're dumb.
There are no colleges in my town or even an hour from my town, and I ain't gonna drive an hour everyday. So, I cant go to college.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:01:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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squeel · 2 points · Posted at 22:45:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That does explain it, actually. You're probably 12 years old and don't yet understand the value of education. Otherwise you're just one of those adults that tells people they're ~too smart for college~ but secretly wish they had a degree.
I know how important knowledge is and I do NOT tell people im too smart for college, I can't do homework and refuse to be at the same level learning speed as others, I'm too stubborn for college. I am a youtube learning pro.
squeel · 2 points · Posted at 01:48:31 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, so you have a learning disability, then. That's okay too. You should've just led with that.
I'm pretty sure the "college dropout" line is pushed to give an illusion of humble origins which makes the founder more likable. People wouldn't romanticize tech billionaires as much if they knew that virtually all of them were rich kids who could afford to take time away from their Ivy League educations to work on their side projects.
[deleted] · 53 points · Posted at 22:49:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. It's extremely rare for a ~20 year old, to basically be a computer science genius and have enough money to start a company. There's a reason a lot of billionaires became rich when they were old.
Nafemp · 50 points · Posted at 22:54:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not to mention that bill gates came into the market when it was still relatively new and with little competition. Getting into the pc business now no matter how much money you throw into it or how smart you are would be a much much harder thing to do.
Not all companies need money to be started. If you've got time, energy and access to basic stuff (the internet) you've got many options to get started, but are you motivated enough to do it? (Money isn't as motivating as people think)
The time is the big factor there. How many people can afford to stop going to school or working for enough time to establish a successful business? Motivation or not, that's a huge obstacle that most people simply don't have the personal money or financial support for elsewhere.
The less time you have the longer it's gonna take (if you work 3 hours every night, it's doable but it takes obviously much longer). One viable strategy is to rent just a room and work full time or part time, have a boring social life (can't go out every night) and focus on what you want to do.
Also, there's the social cost. Do we want others to see us as a dropout?
There are many factors I definitely agree there with you.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:38:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not an English teacher, but I'm pretty sure that when an noun ends with an 'S', you place a single apostrophe after it to indicate possessive form.
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 02:14:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Although I think that on reddit, specifically, people severely underestimate the amount of self-made billionaires in America.
Of the 585 billionaires in the U.S., 363 -- or 62 percent -- made their fortunes themselves, says the report by Singapore-based market research company Wealth X in collaboration with Wall Street Journal’s Custom Studio.
I'm honestly surprised it's that low. Inherited fortunes generally don't last very long, partly because heirs aren't as careful with their money and partly because it gets split too many times as you move down the generations.
I don't mean to imply with my original post that billionaires had it handed to them - the truth is completely the opposite. Guys like Gates are legitimate geniuses and fanatically hard workers. I read about an executive at Microsoft who tried to match Gates's punishing schedule once, and after putting in over 80 hours in 4 days, had to take time off due to exhaustion.
But I do think that the college drop-out narrative is deliberately embraced for personal branding purposes. Same reason Gates dresses like he's middle-class and goes by "Bill", rather than William Henry Gates III, son of a law firm founder and grandson of a bank president, which he is. Wealth creation on that scale typically takes several generations. People who expect to drop out and get rich because they have a good idea are setting themselves up for massive disappointment.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 05:42:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it is far less about the inability of family dynasties to maintain their wealth and much more about our system of free enterprise that cultivates even more billionaires.
I think generally college does little to increase your chances of becoming a billionaire, but it goes a long way in becoming a millionaire. It’s basically a way of hedging your bet, except you’re not really sacrificing your billionaire odds. I doubt there are many billionaires who became that BECAUSE they dropped out of college.
Honestly, there's so few billionaires that I think it would be hard to find any consistent causalities among them. Many were born into it, many made it from scratch. Lots of them took a long time to become billionaires.
I believe Malcolm Gladwell wrote about him in his book Outliers during a chapter about success.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 23:25:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Every stat I've ever seen shows that college grads earn more than high school grads, but I wonder if going really has that much impact on your financial outcome in comparison to where you came from.
Just from personal observation, I see that most people end up about where their parents were. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. When I went to school I wanted to be successful and make a decent amount of money so I went into business (this was back in the day where that was considered a sure-fire degree).
The reality of that degree was that people were often successful in it because those who went into business often had family members who were in businesses. It wasn't necessarily that they were going to work for their parent's business (though I saw a fair amount of that), it was that they were raised around the skills that allow someone to be successful in those fields.
Now, although I had the degree, I really had no knowledge of the business world because I was never exposed to it despite the degree. My wife on the other hand had a parent who was fairly successful in his own right in the business world and she has those skills.
Obviously there are many exceptions, but it often seems to me that the environment that you were raised in has so much more impact than the decisions you actually make.
I think you're right to an extent, but there is still significant portion of people in college who came from very little, and are now elevated into a much higher bracket of hireability and mobility. Those are the people who, on average, probably gain the most from going to college. If you look at only "rich kids," then that education probably does decrease in relative importance.
Well said. Never thought of it that way. But it makes total sense.
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 23:13:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What people don't seem to understand is that the people who do that are people who dropped out because of their intense drive and vision that college was just getting in the way of. They weren't "dropouts" in the way most think of it.
It's also less like dropping out and more like "I was in the middle of my thesis work when I got over consumed with this business idea that took off and just never finished". (eg Gates, Brin, Page)
PKCrash · 15 points · Posted at 21:56:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm- I know someone that went down this path. Granted, it took some time for them to get there, but I think a portion of the chase stemmed from lacking motivation and work ethic coupled with tremendous aspirations. They told me I was wasting my time on a degree/internships while they were jobless dropout. Eventually, this person was convinced an app idea (one which already existed with fierce competition) would guarantee a way for them to garner millions . It got to the point where they started reaching out to old friends, suggesting they leave stable work to come get rich on this idea... as you can imagine, all that fizzled out pretty fast when nobody was on board.
I don't have the data to back it up but I would bet that the amount of people who finished college and became millionaires is greater than the amount of college drop outs who became millionaires.
Self made billionaires? maybe 50/50, because there are so few.
Well, the most likely way you'll become a millionaire is by being a business owner. You're less likely to become a millionaire by being a doctor, lawyer, etc. IIRC, business owners make up ~47% of millionaires. That means lawyers, doctors, actors, athletes, etc. all share the other ~53% figure.
Anecdotally, there are more than a couple of millionaires (all entrepreneurs) in my family and network. I know some of them didn't go to college. One even dropped out of high school. One that did go to college says he doesn't think it was necessary and has never felt like his degree contributed to his success. Another went to college simply because he had a full ride but also subscribes to the idea that it hasn't contributed to his success and he would be in a similar position without it.
Now, I'm sure you're right, but I think there may not be as much of a disparity as you'd expect. Also, I'd be interested in seeing how many millionaires think they would be in a different situation without college since with a lot of the business owners I know, they have a common sentiment.
Edit: I looked at a Business Insider list of the richest people in each state and looked each up individually. I only read what showed up on the first page of Google searches unless there wasn't clear enough info but here's what I got. (I didn't count inherited wealth) Here's a very crude list of my very basic findings. (Some have since deceased, list is from 2015). Also, I did a search for How Many Billionaires are College Dropouts and the first result is an Inc. article stating that 32% or just under 1/3 of all billionaires are college dropouts.
Anyway, here's my own list in awful formatting because I don't know how to use formatting - it shows up in a column order when I type it but changes when I hit post so.... On this list, it comes out to just under 1/4 of them being dropouts or not going to college at all. 23% (not including heirs/inheritance)
Warren Buffet - College
David Koch - College
David Nutt - College
Leon Gorman - College
Robert Gore - College
Jay Shidler- College
T. Denny Sanford - College
Robert Gillam - college
Jon Ledecky - College
John Middleton - College
Jonathan Milton Nelson - College
Rob Stiller - College
Jim C Justice II- College
Thomas Benson - College
Dennis Albaugh - College
Frank VanderSloot - College
Gary Tharaldson - College
Kenneth C Griffin - College
Gayle Cook - College
Leslie Werner - College
Bruce T Halle - College
Thomas Frist - College
David Tepper - College
John Menard - College
Ted Lerner - College
James Goodnight - College
Raymond Dalio - College
Charles Ergen - College
Philip Knight - College
Michael Bloomberg - College
Lawrence Ellison - Dropout
Sheldon Adelson - Dropout
Bill Gates - Dropout
Michael Dell - Dropout - Univ of Texas
Harold Hamm - No College
John C Taylor - (deceased) Dropout - Westminster and Washington Univ.
Dennis Washington - No College
Brad Kelley - Dropout - Western Kentucky Univ.
Mack C. Chase - No College
Marguerite Harbert - Inherited N/A
Whitney Macmillan - Inherited N/A
Anita Zucker - Inherited N/A
Micky Arison - Inherited N/A
Kenneth Dart - Inherited N/A
Abigail Johnson - Inherited N/A
Anne Cox Chambers - Inherited N/A
Richard Cohen - inherited N/A
Jon M. Hunstman - Inherited N/A
Forrest Mars Jr. - Inherited N/A
Christy Walton - Inherited N/A
How is this r/iamverysmart? lol It's factual that business owners are more likely to become millionaires than any other profession.
I preceded my own personal observations with "anecdotally" to show that it's not data-driven and isn't sourced information. I don't think I came off as having a superiority complex or pseudo-intellectual complex. Just shared my own personal experience and thoughts.
shiftty · -1 points · Posted at 04:41:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not so sure, when investing, growth is esponential. The sooner you start investing your time in making as much money as possible, well at the end of your life you'll have spent more time on it (increasing your chances of succeeding before you die)
You're right that it'd be interesting to see statistics. As for billionaires, there are so few that someone doing a bit of research could figure out the stats.
Close but that isn't my assumption. My assumption is that someone planning to become rish will see the time sink that is to go to college and might opt out because of it (this excludes the huge debt people get themselves into to go to college, but there are colleges that don't get you into huge debt so I'm ignoring this)
Another way to put it; most who graduate will be successful (decent income, decent place to live in, decent car), most dropouts won't be very successful/will be the least successful, and the most successful people will be drop outs.
This is my hypothesis. Most drop outs don't end out making decent money, but most drop outs don't drop out with the purpose of becoming rich, so I expect there'd be a huge difference between the two.
I'm not sure why I got downvoted however since it's just a hypothesis, I'm just sharing thoughts. I wouldn't bet my life on what I said.
EDIT: also like I said, not all businesses need money (or a lot of it) to get started in.
People are downvoting you but you're right. If you've got 1 million and use 50 thousand a years, in 20 years you need to get a job. Unless you're 60 years old 1 million isn't enough.
gqgk · 2 points · Posted at 03:47:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's getting down voted because he didn't read. It wasn't college graduates earn $1mil on average, it's that they make $1mil MORE than those who didn't go to college on average. So imagine if at retirement you had an extra million laying around on top of what you already had. That's different than ONLY having $1 mil.
I've been around people where the message seems to be:
All these smart people got into then dropped out of a really good college and became rich with their exceptional talent or skill
I don't need (to be smart enough to go to) college to be rich as long as I have some kind of skill or talent
I don't need college
What these people ignore is a lot of the natural talent and/or all the super hard work they'd have to do. I wouldn't say this mindset is terribly common, but I wouldn't it call it uncommon either.
gqgk · 3 points · Posted at 03:52:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whenever people find out I'm a developer the first thing I hear is, "listen to my startup idea; it's going to be worth billions. I'll give you 5% of the company to make it for me."
Inevitably the convo and thought process goes like this:
It's a stupid idea
Why would I only take 5% when you don't have the skills to make it yourself?
Ideas are worthless, implementation is the only thing that matters. Go try to sell an idea to a venture firm
I'll still make your stupid idea if you pay me money. Shares in a worthless company are just that: worthless
Everyone thinks they're the next Bill/Zuckerberg but haven't thought more than 1 step ahead.
Yeah, I am so tired of people approaching me to offer 5% of their startup. I own 50% of my own company so their startup idea needs to be become worth on average 10 times mine.
My mom's cousin (referred to as my uncle, family rules, etc.) dropped out of high-school, started working as a short order cook, saved money, bought the restaurant, leveraged capital, bought more restaurants, bought a ton of cheap useless land outside of Fargo, started a construction company, built half of Fargo on the cheap useless land during it's boom phase, died a millionaire.
His brother started a typewriter repair business in 1994. C'est la vie. It did as well as you'd expect.
Don’t most people understand becoming a millionaire in any fashion is rare?
A million dollars ain't what it used to be.
Put 10% to 15% of your salary into a retirement fund every year and you'll easily hit millionaire status before you retire even if you have a very mediocre career.
alternatively buy real estate and overfill it with illegals getting twice the rental income a month
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:28:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
as if illegals have the money to pay rent. House across the street guy did just what you wrote....2 rooms with 12 people and a limited stay time(unless they paid in advance and extended the stay), and everytime I'd see the poor guy he'd be fighting the tenants, asking them to pay up or GTFO. He had to beg and belittle. I'd rather not do that
Fine and well, and what you say is undoubtedly true. But with a average net worth of approximately $200k for those in their sixties....there ain’t no way having $1 million or more is somehow common.
I will have you know sir, I dropped out of college and became a very moderate thousandair. So have a good day.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 03:04:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In those cases, the vast majority of the time it's because they were already running rapidly growing businesses and a degree was already a waste of time at that point. Also, a lot of them had wealthy parents and a privileged upbringing.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 22:57:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just think about how many Harvard drop-outs you actually hear about as success stories. It's not very many. Then think about how the vast, vast majority of people aren't even smart enough to get into Harvard, let alone then feel smart enough to leave.
Drop out because your degree is in a field that won't exist in five years, don't drop out because you have the next "Big Idea"
I mean getting your foot in the door sucks but if you go after attainable positions you will likely get a reply at least. If you are looking for a job desperately and you haven't gotten an interview after a month, you are the common denominator. I think many set their expectations too high and complain about the job market when they just aren't suited for a particular position/salary. A college degree is great but people want stand out candidates and experience. It's a tired saying but seriously network while you are in college.
Having a degree is better than no degree. The only time no degree is better is if the better use of your time involves selling your creation. Or atleast going places to make money off of your creation.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:34:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Becoming a millionaire or billionaire is just rare by itself. Plenty of them are drop outs.
My father in law never mind to college and is a multimillionaire. He started a mortgage company. I really admire him and have no idea how he did it. It’s so much harder than you’d imagine.
Also, if you look at the list of the x number of wealthiest people, the overwhelming majority not only graduated college, but when to top schools like Harvard and Yale, and many of them have graduate degrees. I'd be willing to bet most of them had some type of honors there, too.
I didn't go to college for the reason that i found it ludacris to put myself into debt tens of thousands if not hundreds. I hated school growing up period. But i have a drive and ambition much greater than my resume so I've been banking on that and its working out lol
Im in the upper tier of pay for truck drivers for sure. I'm just burnt out. The cab has turned into a prison cell for me.
squeel · 1 points · Posted at 01:45:52 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's awesome, good for you! I know even average truck drivers already make good money.
And I get that, sometimes I sit in my car for too long and that makes my ass hurt. A 4 hour drive to LA makes my body ache, can't imagine sitting and driving all day!
Hopefully I'll be out of a truck soon. I dont drive all day I'm in and out of the cab. I want to get into either management or b2b sales. My body is tired.
_PraX_ · 0 points · Posted at 18:34:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wonder why
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 00:22:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are so many people in the world that the success stories are a statistical impossibility
This is the one thing I don't like about having red hair, fucking pale skin. My arms and legs, and face that are constantly exposed are a normal tone, tanner than most fellow gingers, but my fucking torso. Go shirtless in the summer and it's like people saw a ghost, and no matter how long I 'tan' or keep the shirt off I do NOT get darker. Makes me look fatter too which is ass
I actually started to tan. I work outside so I think my skin adapted and stopped burning me. That or I have a permanent burn and am awaiting skin cancer everywhere.
Some of the worst burns I've gotten have been from cloudy days. I had some absolutely horrific ones when I was younger from spending time in the water and stupidly not reapplying. I love my hair but my god is it inconvenient to be so damn pale. My mother took a picture of me with flash on yesterday because the room was dark and everything in the room but me looks awesome. I look like a damn ghost that showed up in the picture
My favorite thing about being half black. Just dark enough where the sun has trouble burning my skin but still less of chance of getting the other skin disorders that come with being dark.
spugg0 · 3 points · Posted at 17:04:44 on July 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a,weirdly large population of redheads where I live. It's very odd. Also, I married into it so my husband and one of my daughters are red headed. Red heads with blue eyes at that. I lovingly call them mutants.
Now I want there to be a red head in the next x-men film with no cool powers but who is let in because she is a mutant. Her power...she needs extra anesthesia.
A villain is firing tranq darts at the squad of mutants coming at him. The heroes go down left and right, finally there's only one left but she just keeps coming. "Y-you ... why won't you sleep?" the villain says in panic. The hero pulls off her helmet to reveal a mane of red hair and delivers a standard witty one-liner. The villain's eyes widen in surprise, then in understanding, then in resignation as she slaps some cuffs on him, or maybe just blasts him into oblivion ...
Hey, let's split the royalties when 20th Century Fox picks up this awesome concept for the next X-Men movie.
My older brother has a tinge of red in his beard if he grows it out, but beyond that I can’t think of any. Dad never really grew very much facial hair beyond a goatee, and that was always black/grey.
It'd be from your brother then. It's in your gene pool and it'll keep popping up. Happens in my family. My Dad has a red beard and my sister has red hair. Not bright red, almost auburn but definitely red. My brother in law has a red beard and my daughters hair is the identical hair to my sisters. My wife and my mum have jet black hair and I have brown with some blonde so they don't get it from us.
Am also red head with blue eyes, also am only redhead in family. My wife wants a redhead baby so bad but it aint gonna happen cause shes full Vietnamese and has black hair, brown eyes, and tan skin.
Oh cool! I'm red headed with blue eyes. My immediate family all have blue eyes too but they're either blonde or brown haired. None of my cousins are red heads either. I think one uncle has a red beard and I believe my mom's father had red hair so it's definitely in the family genes
elixan · 7 points · Posted at 17:46:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My stepdad’s side of the family has a few redheads. He and his mom are like the typical bright-orange redheads and my mom was practically praying when she was pregnant with my youngest brother that he’d be a redhead too lol but he a blond baby like the rest of us on her side
edit: fixed some grammar
kw0711 · 6 points · Posted at 21:00:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well to be fair it’s not THAT uncommon. 2% is 1 out of every 50 people. That’s 7m people in the US
In a place like Minnesota, there is a statistically high number of red heads due to the large amounts of Neanderthals (shared ancestor). It was common for Neanderthals to have red hair, and they would pass this gene on through mating.
I live in Massachusetts, and I know a lot of redheads. Large Irish population. I am a redhead myself, and I have had 3 redheaded partners (1 male, 2 female)
There's a festival in I think Ireland every year. I wanna go with my boyfriend one year because we're both redheads and people tend to confuse us for siblings in public til we start making out.
If you're in Mexico it may be because of the Mexican/American war! A group of Irish defected to the Mexican side and when mexico loss, started a new life for themselves in Mexico.
I mean, you don't have to...but it's kinda a family joke. I'm brown hair and hazel eyes, my hubs is red hair and blue eyes. We have 2 daughters, a clone of him, and then a mix of both of us
Aroumia · 102 points · Posted at 16:12:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck me, my gf would be very popular in this thread. Green eyes and Red hair!
Samesies. I'd say more hazel but the green in my eyes is bright. My grandmother has flat one shade jade coloured eyes though. All her black and white photos make her look possessed.
Ditto...but I am the only one with green eyes. All the other redheads in my family have blue eyes. My mother has dark brown eyes, so not sure how I ended up with green.
I am left handed as well! Well, technically ambidextrous due to being forced to wright with my other hand as a small child. I primarily wright with my left now, though I am able to do both hands ... at the same time. Lovely parlour trick.
My fourth grade teacher tried to make me switch. Apparently I was an asshole even then and refused. So I was sent to the principal's office, and when I explained what was going on, I was sent back to class and the teacher was called into the hall to speak with the principal. After that, I was permitted to write left handed, but the teacher went out of her way to make things as difficult as possible for me.
I just dont understand why some teachers can be like that. Good for you, sticking up for yourself!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:19:45 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not a red head but also have green eyes. Not a single person in my immediate or extended family (my dad has 9 siblings so I have a LOT of extended family) on either my mom or dads side have green eyes. My mom has hazel, but brother, sister, and dad have dark chocolate brown. They're sort of dark greenish grey with some blue so no idea where it could have come from...
I once went skiing without putting sun screen on. The only part of me that wasn't covered in ski gear was the underside of my nose. Guess where I had a lovely little sunburn?
I KNEW I had a twin I absorbed in a show of dominance! It almost makes up for the dozens of tiny daily inconveniences of living in a world designed for righties.
This stat and the one about green eyes are a bit misleading. Of course people in India and China, the two biggest populations, are not going to be gingers. It would make more sense to look at percent of caucasians.
I once stepped out of the train in The Netherlands and the station was filled with people with red hair.
After inquiry it turned out it was our national red hair day (I didn't know that was a thing over here) and the town I was in was the town chosen for the get together that year.
May I ask where you're from? It's rare in Africa or Asia, but I can't imagine being from Europe or a former British colony and not knowing someone with red hair.
I live in a state next to Minnesota and have known several people with red hair. I myself have reddish hair with green eyes, as do my dad and oldest brother, but it's more an orangish red than the red you think of.
You talking ginger, like orange hair, or closer to brown with a strong red tint? Theres a spectrum with red and blonde hair that's absent with brown and black, which is interesting for some reason to me. Mine's a really dark blonde with an orange tint. I've had people argue over what color it is and whether or not I'm ginger (I claim it proudly, only to be dismissed by my friends because I'm also colorblind). Point being, maybe there's some variability in your standards vs. the red-hair judging population at large
There's definitely a spectrum. I feel it falls on two ends. Ginger and Redhead. I lean more on the latter as my a hairs darker and deeper light auburn shade. Then there's the people who lean more blonde, ginger and orange shades and I think fiery red sits smack bam in the middle.
I'm a redhead with blue/green eyes. Knowing how little of us there are, I honestly get annoyed when people dye their hair red and call themselves Redheads™. Maybe I'm just being a dick, but I don't think people should call themselves that unless they're born with red hair themselves. It's just a title thing.
Lmao, relatable, I usually do this as well. Once my friend dyed their hair red, and someone called a pair of redheads, and I was like "hers isn't natural, though", and she was fussy with me about it for the rest of the day.
I had two redheaded children and the closest redhead on my side of the family was ~4 generations back. Genetics (specifically recessive traits) are weird like that
I have ginger hair, an orangish red not a deep dark red, as do my dad and oldest brother. We all have green eyes and fair skin as well. Neither of his parents had reddish hair or green eyes, though one of his brothers did.
I once went up to my dad and asked, "Who in our family has reddish hair?" He pointed at me and said, "You do..." I was trying to ask where our reddish hair came from, which side of his family. Oh well, still never got an answer.
Ginger guy checking in, it's a red-brown rather than an orange-red. People used to make fun of my hair but lately I've found that chicks really dig the hair. Also I'm pale but I'm able to tan so I'm not one of those permanently pale gingers - got lucky in this respect.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 22:55:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad has three siblings, all of which have red hair. He has brown hair, so does my mom. I was born with brown hair.
My brother has red hair. And unless my dad explains his family tree, people are usually confused where my brother got it from. The only reason we look the same at all is we have the same eyes.
I get looks and comments anytime I take my two redheads out places. I hear a lot of "Do you know how much people would pay for that shade" directed at my daughter.
It was very strange too, both myself and their father are brunettes and on my side at least the closest redhead was ~4 generations back. Genetics, yo.
Real talk, my hair was the most beautiful orange when I was younger. Old ladies in bathrooms always used to tell me to appreciate my hair cause you can’t get the color from a bottle It got darker as I got older but never totally brown, then the white hairs started to poke through. I went to a salon recently to start dyeing it to get rid of the whites and I told her I also wanted to get it to be a little more orange like it was when I was a kid. I spent $340 on a cut and color. So you can tell your daughter I would spend at least that much.
My fifth-grade teacher kept dyeing her hair trying to match mine. Never succeeded.
Jettlax · 3 points · Posted at 23:56:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s 140 million people, and since there are about 1.3 billion white people on the earth and essentially all the red haired people are white, about 1/10 white people have red hair, which is way more common than I thought it was.
My wife and I are both redheads. Every time she sees a little ginger kid, she says, "aww, that's what our kids are going to look like!". They're almost certainly going to be dark haired like the rest of our family. We do have better chances than most people though, 1 in 4 IIRC.
The other day i saw red headed identical twin girls at walmart, probably around age 12, both beautiful with long thick red hair. I was like damn you are both so lucky.
This statistic baffles me for a strange reason. About 50% of all my sexual partners are redheaded. I have no conscious or known attraction towards redheads.
I never paid specific attention to the hair color of my romantic interests until I heard this statistic. Something about my specific look or behavior must be particularly attractive to women with red hair or I could have some unconscious bias that increases my willingness to pursue them.
Same here. I am married to a redhead now but before her I dated a lot of other redheads. mostly they pursued me too not the other way around. Something about me and redheads has always clicked for some reason.
I heard being a red-head is actually a genetic disorder, but without being able to cite proper reference I'm just asking for a flame. Can it happen on the NEW reddit? We'll see
My wife and I both have brown hair and hazel eyes. We have a blonde with blue eyes. Brunette with hazel eyes. And two red heads with hazel eyes. In my family there is usually only one red head per generation, we have two.
As a Red head with green eyes this is kinda awesome. Though I kinda look like the Red Giant with both of these traits <.<.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 06:49:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My town tried to have a world record attempt for the most number of redheads in one place, for weeks beforehand everyone asked me if I was going, friends, people in work with, cashiers when I went shopping etc, for the following few weeks people kept asking me if I went.
bgb3 · 1 points · Posted at 17:00:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Two of my children have red hair and blue eyes. We went to a 4th of July party that had 3 other kids with red hair. I heard someone say “what’s with all the gingers?” Which was funny because there was probably 20 kids with brown hair and maybe 15 with blonde.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not in Newfoundland! :)
My hair is orange, I've been waiting for it to turn auburn, like Anne in Anne of Green Gables. It has not.
Yyyyyyyup. Am a redhead/blue eyes and got picked on for it A LOT as a child because I was the only one (apart from my sister). My mother has red hair but my father and brother do not. I never quite understand exactly why it works like that.
Seeing lots of redheads on TV was strangely discouraging because there were always so many of them; and they were also always very sexy, which was quite uncomfortable and alienating
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:40:43 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes. Gingervitis is incredibly rare.
And unfortunately, there is no known cure. Modern medicine remains baffled as to how one can contract the disease. It is truly awful to see someone suffer from this.
66.7% of my parent's children have reddish hair (two of three siblings, me and our oldest brother). My dad also has reddish hair, but neither of his parents did. My mom has reddish hair on her side, but it's farther up.
I mean, you have to consider that redheads are white, which greatly reduces the number of people in the total population (white people only make up about 11% of the population).
wavs101 · -1 points · Posted at 23:28:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As well as most misconceptions about all mental illnesses and disorders. My favorite to point out is the difference between OCD and OCPD to people who constantly talk about how "OCD" they are because they like their closet organized in a reasonable way.
Bipolar and Borderline are two commonly mixed up ones. Having mood swings doesn't mean you're bipolar, people! You can be bipolar and have intense mood swings, but that's not a symptom of it. Severe mood swings are a possible symptom of Borderline, however.
The two can also be co-occuring, which makes it even more muddled.
I think it's because both have extreme moods associated. But even psychiatrists someone's have a hard time sorting this out. My mom had bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder or both. She's dead now (not suicide, though that's common for both disorders), so we'll never know for sure, but their differences are not clear cut.
Bipolar: axis I disorder - caused by chemical imbalance- can be treated with medication,
Borderline: axis II personality disorder. There are no medications to fix personality disorders. You can medicate associated axis I symptoms (like mood swings) but personality disorders are charactological and the only fix is a good therapist and a lot of dedication,
Hmmm sorry about that. Try to think about how you can make your boundaries stronger- Like how you can give off the vibe not to fucking approach you. Borderline people, predators, all sorts of different personality types can sense when somebody is a vulnerable to their advances. Only way to stop this is to work on fortifying yourself, so to speak
Let me explain, i work in a psych hospital and we caught two patients going at it, one is always borderline. The other is usually a creep. Right now, as a male, im getting constantly sexually harassed by another gay make patient who freaks out of i ignore him.
Ahhh yup. Sorry. Not much you can do since you work inpatient. Tell the administration to up your hazard pay... But as for the infatuated patient- your best bet is to use behavioral modification techniques. Extremely effective but you have to do it right or you run the risk of making the problem worse. Your can read about behavior modification by looking up skinner (this will give you the fundamentals because he was the guy who came up with the theory).
For how to actually put in place i would google “behavior modification techniques for sleep training babies, for autistic children, and for a simplified version, for dog trainers.
It will take about 2 to 3weeks to get the patient to become disinterested if you do it right.
Also, very important: Be sure to look up and read about something called an “extinction burst”.
Let me know how it works. If you have questions on exactly what to do ping me back; this is what I studied as an undergraduate.
As a borderline person, this makes me sad. I'm a 24 year old woman TRYING to get my shit together. And usually I am the vulnerable one trying to ignore everyone. However, and I am still trying to figure out why, must be the shitty chemicals and/or thought processes in my head, I have a very hard time saying no. So please keep this in mind. I am not a terrible human being, I am just a human struggling to balance between impulses that i have and what I know is right. Its not all black and white.
I know, and you are absolutely correct. I want to be very clear that the person who commented originally and my original response were both about inpatient psychiatric patients. And not someone who is in for a week or two but someone who is a chronic patient (from what I gathered from the original comment). So, my point is that I am not referring to mainstream, functional adults who struggle with this disorder.
And actually I am not even responding with BPD in mind either, it is more of a response about a technique to gently manage behavior in other’s. I use behavioral schedules all the time; on my kids, my husband, my secretary....
I hope this clarifies my response.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 05:50:38 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree, 25yo with BPD. Though I do agree with /u/peoplerstranger, it makes it soo much easier for me when someone puts up strong boundaries rather than enabling me (so to speak).
Wow, InBredDucks, Im impressed that you were able to illustrate exactly what you are asking by the way you asked it! Its like a question and an example all in one. Is there a word or a phrase for this? Like, “you just pallendrom-a-interrobanged that! Man... you good.”
Hey uh you prob didn't mean it that way but it kind of sounds like you were saying that people with BPD were predatory. I have BPD and I'm mostly just sad, not scary :(
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 05:50:54 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
This makes me so sad because I have been diagnosed BPD. I haven't been on meds or done therapy for about 2 years because I always got HORRIBLE side effects, however I fo have my best friend who knows about my diagnosis and does a "balance" routine with me. Basically before I do anything drastic I talk to her and explain the situation and ask - "Is this rational behavior?" because I know in my fucked up mind it always is. It has saved my life a few times. Literally.
This sounds like a very insightful, balanced, and practical way of giving yourself perspective when you need it. Good job. Having BPD is not easy and the symptoms are widely misunderstood but there are some benefits to feeling things at such a deep level- creativity, the ability to truly touch other people’s hearts and minds... If you manage your weakness and improve on your strengths (which it sounds like you are) your talents and perceptive nature will shine. And dont beat yourself up if you make mistakes or do something “bpd-ish”, the truth is that everyone is like this sometimes. Best of luck
It isn't about positive thinking and expectation of these integrated 'instabilities' to disappear, it's about management and achieving peace through balance, self analysis/awareness and understanding.
I feel as though those goals should be reiterated.
I feel as though perspective is the thing that needs to be adjusted or reset, and the rest of the 'indentifiers' should be trained to be harnessed and accessed in appropriate corresponding situations.
Things are actually a lot more beautiful in a poetic, stoic way through the eyes of mental/personality affliction when embraced to a degree.
Sometimes striving to be that happy-go-lucky person you once were, or never were, is the catalyst of disappointment when it just isn't a realistic existence for some people.
There is so much opportunity to realise beauty and appreciation in such overlooked aspects of life, which I feel creates a person with depth.
I'm not saying be consumed with and emulate the dreariness, rather that you may as well look deeper into it if you're going to be stuck in that place... It'll probably make more sense and do more good than to relentlessly try to be inspired by positive messages and cliches that seem taunting/unrealistic.
TL;DR some of the most potentially dark and profound beautiful souls I have come across in this existence have been broken over and over but use their understanding of misery to build others up and avoid hurting others in the ways they've experienced.
Self awareness, facing hard truths and having the ability to adjust perspective are so monumentally important in not only coping, but becoming a much more more enriched, human being with depth.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 07:29:34 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
extinction burst”
I am sure I will get attacked for my limited understanding and more likely for my lack of understanding.
I only have had an interaction with one person with borderline personality disorder and she is the only person I have ever come across that I truly hate.
She holds in large amounts every repulsive quality a human can exhibit. From extreme selfishness, zero empathy, jealousy, plays games that has destroyed a friend of mines life.
I always thought borderline personality disorder was describing someone who is not very nice and also who is not self aware and cannot analyse how absurd and cruel their behaviour is when compared to what the societal norms would be.
Yet the people here who have said they have borderline personality disorder seem level headed, self aware and a genuine interest in minimizing the harm they do to others.
That has not been my experience, is that because there are different types or more extreme types.
I have known people who have had bipolar disorder and they can often be the most decent loving & kind hearted people you can meet you just need to get them on the way up.
Where as borderline personality (I could be completely wrong on this as I have limited experience) apart from their superficial niceness which I found was usually an act to create friction between my friend and me (her partner) and not genuine or some other horrible motive that drove her, in other words, while there are times you do not want to be around a bipolar person, you never want to be around someone with borderline personality disorder.
One way to look at it is how a sociopath would act if he felt empathy too easily, meaning we are ready to destroy everything around us (and inside us) if our mentally illed logic tells us we could save the people we love from us. Alternately, in the case of FPs (favourite person, a term borderline sufferers use to describe a person they recently met and became infatuated with), borderlines will actively (somewhat unconsciously as well) try to sabotage the relationships their FP have so they can "fill themselves up" with the presence of the FP, which of course needs an unrealistic amount of time spent with the borderline sufferer considering a chronic feeling of emptiness is a key symptom in the disorder.
Also note that while most borderline sufferers have the same thought process, they can act and react differently compared to other borderlines and even themselves at other points of time, meaning that while some will feel jealousy to the point of sabotage, others like myself will feel neglect to the point of self sabotage by either acting like complete assholes to the people they love or simply avoid the people they love in hopes they'll forget about us so that we can "start over" with someone else.
Contrary to common belief and as you expressed, BPD sufferers not only feel empathy, we also feel it stronger than most people, which can be overwhelming and cause dissociative episodes in which the borderline simply shuts down, like a computer rebooting.
The key in understanding how a borderline acts is to think about spicy food: a normal person will eat varying degrees of spicy food, avoiding the ones they can't handle while a borderline will feel no difference between a hot pepper and a mild pepper so they have no idea what is considered too hot until they come across a marginally spicier pepper that will leave them choking and crying for help.
In that analogy where peppers are emotions, you also need to know that borderlines have trouble remembering emotions, positive and negative, over long periods of time which can be otherwise said as once a minor good thing happens, they feel pure euphoria that's closely related to intoxication, but as soon as a minor bad thing happens, they completely forget about the previous minor good thing and become immediately depressed. Following the previous analogy, it's like eating a spicy pepper you like, eating that single type of pepper over and over until you mistake that one for another pepper that's too spicy and vow to never eat peppers ever again, only to do it again when you want something spicy and restart the cycle.
Finally, remember that every shitty thing a borderline did to you, as cliché as it sounds, it's something they would rather do to themselves but can't because there's only so much self abuse one can take before simply commiting suicide.
Even my psychiatrist diagnosed me as Bipolar for a year and a half (and medicated me as such) before I was correctly diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder.
The overlap can be very hard to work out with these 2 and they do share a lot of similar symptoms.
I do think the length & duration of the ‘mood ups & downs’ make them slightly easier to separate but as you said, they can co-occur.
The easy and very simplified of explaining the difference between BPD and Bipolar Disorder is Bipolars have mood swings spanning days and weeks while BPD could have 3 mood swings in a single conversation. It makes socialising quite difficult without coping mechanisms, which explains why an alarming amount of BPD sufferers also need to deal with substance abuse, addictions and OCD-esque rituals.
can confirm; I'm on a mood stabilizer for my bpd and it's helped immensely. we know for sure it's not bipolar, mostly bc I've been on a whole bunch of SSRIs/SNRIs (for my bonus comorbid MDD/GAD/social anxiety) and never had a single manic episode, thankfully.
OCPD is obsessive compulsive personality disorder. Its more similar to what you think of as OCD. OCPD is usually the same compulsion and has the numbers connected, like always having to turn the light switch on and off 10 times before you go.
I have OCD. I am not a neat freak. All my pictures are hung crooked because Idgaf. But I do get obsessive compulsions. I describe it as being like an extreme pregnancy craving. It probably makes no sense and you have to do it or else... The incident that got me diagnosed was when out of nowhere I had to punch myself in the stomach until I couldn't feel it anymore and then start again. I felt possessed. Another time I needed a piece of chalk. Luckily I found one or else I would have been walking around town at 2am breaking into the dollar store for chalk or else having a complete nervous breakdown, but you can't perceive consequences during an episode. Its do this thing or else. Its also entirely random and unpredictable. I rarely get the same obsessive compulsion twice.
Its a horrifying scary disease. I manage it with medication and therapy and simply by having a diagnosis and being able to recognize when the OCD is talking and deciding if I'm strong enough to ignore it. I give in to little things to save my strength for big compulsions like wanting to cut my leg open.
When I was diagnosed I didn't believe it at first because all I knew was the media portrayal and it wasn't me at all. My mom even told me I probably didnt have it because my room was so messy. I do call people out for using it as a verb because it leads to people not taking it seriously or understanding it and minimizing the diagnosis.
This is just my experience with my personal flavour of OCD that is also affected by my ADHD, Psychotic Severe Depression and Extreme Anxiety disorder, which I've been in therapy for since I was 3. I was only diagnosed with OCD and ADHD when I was 17.
I'm a totally normal person, my mental illness is well managed, I have a career, graduated university with a job and great marks. You wouldn't know I was "crazy" unless I told you. I wish I was in a position to be more open because everyone I've opened up to in person has revealed their own struggles or those of a family member.
fearain · 31 points · Posted at 02:46:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If something happens to one side of my body it needs to happen to the other size. One time I accidentally gashed my finger open my touching a fan on high. I started having a panic attack until my other hand felt the exact pain. That one hurt more, so I proceeded to push the first wound until the pain was equal.
I need the same sensation on both sides. Scratching, pain, feeling; everything needs to be equal.
I thought of this when you mentioned punching yourself
That sounds horrible! And so scary. The worst thing for me is feeling that loss of control over your own body. Because you know what you're doing makes no sense, especially in hindsight, but it doesn't matter. It really makes you understand why people believe in demonic possession.
nallem1 · 11 points · Posted at 04:16:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Omg thanks for this! I am actually both ADHD and OCD, diagnosed at a relatively late age for both (11 and 22) - it’s nice to happen upon someone with a similar story.
I always joke that my ADHD and OCD must go hand-in-hand because half of the time the OCD keeps me focused when I normally wouldn’t be and the ADHD distracts me from the things I tend to obsess about. It doesn’t reeeeallly work that well, but I like to pretend.
I've definitely felt that way, like when my OCD and the HD of the ADHD pair up I have hyperactive obsessive focus. Occasionally I'm able to harness this power for good. If you ever need to chat or rant feel free to drop a PM. :)
One is axis I- can be treated with medication (OCD)
The other is Axis II personality disorder (OCPD)
The symptoms are almost the same on the outside but the root cause or source of the symptoms differs substantially, although there is of course overlap.
((And for other clinical psych’s out there- thank you for the inbox notes. I know we have switched to DSM-V. imo these questions are easier to conceptualize using the old system. Ok? Thanks.))
It makes me ungodly angry when people try to say they're OCD because they like to organize their Skittles and that I'm not OCD cause I don't care about washing my hands every 2 seconds.
There. Are. Different. Symptoms. And. Versions. You don't know my diagnosed OCD better than my therapist or I do. Please stfu
Ugh, the OCD thing is so obnoxious. My mom continually says it, even though I have corrected her since the day I figured out what OCD really is. It seems to be more popular of an expression for people upwards of 40, not really sure why. I remember hearing/using it a lot as a kid in school, but it seems like everyone else in my generation, like me, has figured out how insensitive and inaccurate it is by now. Perhaps the internet is a factor in that. Regardless, I don't get what's so hard about permanently replacing "OCD" in your vocabulary with "obsessive compulsive" or even "OC" if you like acronyms so much. A mental illness =/= quirkiness
This always gets me. I have a cousin with DID and I’m diagnosed as schizophrenic. Before either of us showed symptoms or anything I thought it was the same thing.
Until my sister was diagnosed with DID, I didn't know the difference. So I studied it afterwards. They're night and day different, so I'm not sure now why it's so confusing. But it is.
kxp410 · 18 points · Posted at 00:31:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You are so right! I've had multiple people, one a school counselor, refer to my daughter's artwork as a refection of her multiple personalities. (She has paranoid schizophrenia).
That’s actually the original meaning of the scientific term: it literally means “split mind.”
However, the name shouldn’t be taken to mean split personality. Schizophrenia is a disorder that leads to a break from reality, and the split refers to a break in normal mental functioning.
I don’t really understand your question but I’ll throw this out there.
They’re two completely different disorders. A professor, eons ago when I was still in college, phrased it this way: “Schizophrenia is the shattering of the world, a terrifying living nightmare; the person retains their sense of self but now have this broken world ( it appears broken due to delusions, paranoia, illogical thought processes) around them to navigate. DID is the shattering of the person; to them the world is consistent and logical, but their identity, memories, and personal experiences are shattered into fragments; the person is now a collection of fragments and mismatched pieces trying to cooperate (or not) together.”
Not a bad case. Not yet. But I have more episodes as I get older. I have arrangements for a friend to put me on a lead based diet if I get too bad. Worse, I have to occasionally ask her about it to make sure I did make those arrangements, and didn't just think I did.
The world isn't a terrifying nightmare all the time. Only when I think about it. Some part of me is still convinced I'm not from here. I'm from some other dimension or galaxy or whatever convoluted combination I come up with on occasion. And get this, I've intentionally locked away my abilities to understand what I am, and get home, because if I do, something terrible will happen. So either I'm sick...or I've crippled the living god in my mind to be stuck here anyway. Either way, it means I have to be here, and act normal.
And that's why I'm not bad enough that I have to take the drugs.
I’m so sorry :(. In my opinion schizophrenia is the most tragic mental illness. Have you had any luck with any antipsychotics?
Edit- I’m sorry, I obviously read your comment way too quickly. Well I wish you luck and I hope you will be able to continue functioning well without them, because I know the side effects can be rough. The good news is that as the new ones comes out they have more tolerable side effects.
I have schizophrenia too, and there's an injection that does wonders, however it's very expensive($1500) and unless you have pristine health insurance it's hard to get covered for more than a few months. Luckily, I'm Canadian and I have really good insurance through a program in my province, so my total of $1800 a month in medicine is covered 100% and they give me about $500 a month to cover living costs as well.
All together, my life is pretty decent, I have family that can help support me, but my sister is a bit of a crazy bitch and makes life harder. The injection has minimal side effects besides the normal memory problems that come with dopamine inhibitors.
I'm on the invega sustenna injection, and it treats a lot of positive and negative symptoms. The main downside is short and long term memory problems, which also contribute to keeping a job hard. I was on a bunch of different pills for a long time before we tried the once a month injection(because it was so expensive), but once we tried it my old psychiatrist filled out a bunch of forms to get it covered with my old insurance and the insurance I'm on now covers 100% of any medication.
I'm a different person, but I also have schizophrenia. It's well controlled by an anti psychotic that doesn't cause any unpleasant side effects for me. It's not a hopeless situation :)
I think I'm just a little too burned out on experimental stuff though. And honestly, that's what a lot of it is. There's such a limited test group, that basically everyone is a test subject.
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[deleted] · 42 points · Posted at 00:12:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I relate so much to that. I don’t know if I have schizophrenia (I doubt it since it’s so rare and I don’t get hallucinations) but I can completely feel you. I’ve managed to keep things controlled so it doesn’t look “bad enough” to have to take antipsychotics.
I have schizophrenia and figuring it out can be hard. If you don't have hallucinations I wouldn't worry, but take note of anything you can't logically explain. For me it was weird knocking from under the floor boards. I've had it since I was a toddler though, if you suddenly develop it you would probably notice quickly.
Sometimes I can hear my name when people have conversations in a busy area but I chalk it up to a lot of noise I can’t understand. I hear noises sometimes but I think not everyone can explain noises they hear. I don’t know, I don’t really talk about how I think because people make fun of me or something. I don’t want to sound like an attention-seeker anyways, but I wish there was an explanation.
Get checked. Talk to a Doc. I understand you think there might be comfort in not knowing, but there really isn't. And talking through the things running through your head with a professional will really help you realize what a hard left turn your brain has taken. You get it's not normal. You'll understand you might need a bit of help.
Also, please don't be afraid of medication. If you're worried they will "change you", the answer is yes. You wont be sick, anymore. And you will not lament that loss of the sickness when it's gone. The idea that you would do that is the sickness.
I avoid meds for a host of reasons that involve my job and GI issues. Practical things. At this point, if there were a pill that made me happy, but also shot blood out of my eyes and my limbs fell off, I still might take it.
I took it the opposite way. If pop culture portrays them as interchangeable but they aren’t associated, then what is the association? To me that question still doesn’t make sense. They’re not related sooooo.... they’re still not related.
I guess maybe the other interpretation of the question could be ‘Then why are they commonly associated?’ Then my answer would’ve been because sensationalized mental illness makes money off of people watching films/tv.
Working in this field so long makes the correlation between schizophrenia and DID seem as absurd as a house burning down having something to do with or being confused for having diabetes.
I dated a guy who had schizophrenia and everyone thought they were so smart by thinking they knew what it was when they thought it was "multiple personalities".
Kody02 · 4 points · Posted at 23:02:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thought it's often used (very incorrectly) as a synonym for bipolar?
Personally, I chalk that intentional misinformation up to the same reasoning they still show doctors on TV/movies using a defibrillator to start someone's heart.
My undergrad was focused in abnormal psychology and I worked with schizotypal disorders and one that was "diagnosed" as having DID, though that was pre-DSM-V, so who knows. I think the common confusion is that schizophrenia means "split mind" and people assume that coincides with split personalities, or Dissociative Identity Disorder. Abnormal psychology and the study of schizotypal disorders, especially delineating via differential with similar disorders can be a bit much for the average layman. However, it's not difficult to understand what the difference between v-fib and sinus rhythm is and why defibrillators/AEDs are used.
Piggy backing on this, I have a somewhat unique perspective. I worked for a long time as a disability attorney. My job was to prove to the federal government someone couldn't work. In this context, that required proving that DID effectively prevented them from working. I had three clients with DID as an alleged impairment. Only one of them was even close. I had very long, detailed conversations with their multi-year psychiatrist regarding their diagnoses, and DID in general.
The upshot of all of that is that he had not officially given them the diagnosis of DID, and that he had never given that diagnosis in his 30 year career. He did say that they were the closest he had ever come to providing the DID diagnosis.
His view, and I think its rather widely shared, is that most often a DID diagnosis is in actuality a different dissociative disorder, or a dissociative disorder paired with another personality disorder. For example, someone could easily have a complex cluster B personality disorder and a dissociative disorder and as a result create alters that exhibited during their dissociative periods. This is completely distinct from what the DID diagnosis actually requires (that the person exchange control between alters even at non-dissociative times).
This is not to say that those people are not suffering, just that they are suffering from a distinct and complex set of disorders which do not amount to DID. I think this jives with the bulk of the research I did, and the actual rarity of the disorder. I do believe that a lot of practitioners like to diagnose DID because its exciting, and they aren't invested in truly getting to the root cause of a persons symptoms.
In case anyone wants to know, my client got a bad judge, and did not win. Although, I found them to be quite credible.
TL;DR: Psych I talked to for a long time convinced me that most other psych's improperly diagnose DID when in actuality, its a lesser dissociative disorder paired with another disorder.
My dad worked in emergency psychiatric services, so he got a lot of people at the height of their psychosis, and he firmly believed that DID wasn’t a real thing. Especially the way it’s portrayed in media, as something with multiple strong personalities that take over the body for their own use. He did say that he met a lot of people who believed they had it, just never anyone that was able to fully convince him of their validity.
I carpooled to school with a girl who was diagnosed with DID. While I can't claim to be in the know about what was going on in her life, I never saw any behavior that would make me think alters were involved rather than something like bipolar disorder or another mood disorder.
That might be because just about anyone with DID isn't going to be 5150ed for DID. The reason for this is DID is DID has to manually be constructed by choice. This leaves many with DID not seeking urgent help. Many will seek therapeutic help though.
What is even more interesting about DID, is it spreads like a meme. You have to know someone with DID, watch videos of someone with it, read an awful lot about it, or study it's roots (tulpas and similar) or you're going to have a very hard time getting it. It might even be impossible to get individually as it is a learned thought pattern. So much so, the original cases and recordings of multiple personalities in therapy came from a therapist poking around asking leading questions to a kid who wanted attention. This lead to a semi faked multiple personality disorder, but it was so interesting news got out, then other kids and adults tried copying that out of interest. Or at least that is the suspected history. This information comes from pre internet psychology textbooks, so who knows how valid the information is.
lxacke · 41 points · Posted at 01:03:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was diagnosed with DID. Except it's nothing at all like the movies and anyone who claims to have "alters" is lying.
It's a cognitive thing. Because of trauma in my childhood, I react to things like a 3yo sometimes. Like, I'll get angry or sad and abosultely nothing can snap me out of it until it just goes away on it's own. Think of a grown woman having a tantrum except she can't stop herself no matter how much she wants to.
The thing is, nobody seems to understand that it's not just a personality thing: it affects my balance, concerntration, even my grip sometimes. I also have a difficult time with judging distance.
It's literally nothing at all like being a different person: more like having one emotion completely take over your brain, but you're aware of it and it's still you. You just can't stop it. It's not all that different from a depressed person being an asshole when they don't want to...
Huh. That sounds like borderline, which is a disorder often mistaken for DID.
Source: I have a history with borderline and have a history with symptoms like what you're describing. I also know a handful DID individuals and none of them have the symptoms you're describing. (Though that doesn't make you DID or not DID.)
I'm sorry to hear you have to deal with such hell. With correct knowledge and help both borderline and DID are treatable and curable.
Actually, this is pretty similar to the definition of DID I received from an AP course I did online. Typically, DID is actually caused by early life trauma, where the individual creates a personality to take the hits of the trauma, and the other personality is their "real" one. In that way, DID actually disappears after entering around 20-30 years of age (but can go away earlier), and the trauma personality eventually disappears. The trauma personality is usually remarked as being anti-social, shy, and neurotic (I think that's the right terminology), while the new personality can be extroverted and potentially narcissistic, as well as acting childish. Ironically, the stress usually comes from the real personality appearing, and can cause mental instability and difficulty interacting with others. It is usually for the best for the original personality to consume the trauma one, as it can cause.
While u/lxacke has a fairly unique case, considering the circumstances of her diagnosis, it seems to be true. It's very interesting that her trauma personality is the more "immature" one, but I imagine that the personality was adopted at a very young age and then quickly dropped after trauma subsumed, but would be adopted again during moments of intense stress. The neurological aspects is also incredibly interesting. Technically speaking, DID is really just a person having an improper response to stress.
u/proverbialbunny is also speaking the truth, as during the very first diagnosis of DID, when it was thought to be a disorder where people adopt multiple personalities, the amount of did diagnoses skyrocketed! However, many regard the first diagnosis to be bunk, and all of the following diagnoses to be hysterical or misdiagnoses. It still has the potential to exist, but it would be more of a person tricking themselves into thinking they have multiple personalities, or they are a sociopath or Bipolar. Nonetheless, DID is still a highly controversial and indefinite disorder, which are traits it shares with the rest of psychology. Who would have thought that compartmentalizing and understanding the mind and all of its faculties would be so debatable!
It should also be noted that psychology doesn't actually have static or shared definitions for Disorders and their ilk. The closest thing is the DSM, but that changes every ten years and receives revisions, so arguing about the semantics of defining disorders is just plain pedantic.
Sorry for the text dump, but psychology is a side-passion I have and I LOVE talking about it. If you are at all fascinated by anything I've said, or want to go on rage-fueled yet well-informed tirades in the comments of online forums, I'd recommend the 7-part course I took on this, AP Psychology on the website EdX. It's completely free (it gives you a pdf of its textbook at the beginning of each section), but you can spend money to have the course verified.
TL;DR: Dissociative Identity Disorder kind of doesn't exist, you would be surprised how much the mind could convince itself of something, and all of our understanding of psychology will likely be disproven in a few decades, so arguing the semantics of psychological terms is like wondering if water is wet. Also take the 7-part AP Psychology course on the website EdX, if you want.
I realise you probably didn't intend it, but you came off a little condescending. Probably because you told me a bunch of stuff I already know, but you couldn't have known that I know. So unfortunately I probably will now sound condescending in response. That's not my intention. I did study Psych at university. I have close experience with people with DID, and have discussed it at length with several Complex post-traumatic stress disorder specialists. I agree that the behaviour described does sound, on the surface, like the possible behaviour of somebody with DID, I meant more the "nothing at all like being another person", "one emotion taking over the brain" and "a depressed person being an asshole" comments. In hindsight, some parts of her description make sense, and some don't. "Being aware of it" isn't strictly true either, thus it being "dissociative". It sounds like maybe this woman was diagnosed with DID by a doctor who believes in it, then rediagnosed by a doctor who doesn't. Both of you have made very specific descriptions of something with a very wide set of possible expressions. To correct something you said, in a lot of cases I've come across, the trauma has occurred in early childhood, but the presentation of the DID hasn't actually became apparent until adulthood, let alone disappearing by then. The core personality has remained a functioning person while the trauma was compartmentalised. Your description of a trauma personality is specific when it shouldn't be. Many sufferers have a variety of alters with differing behaviours attached to different traumatic experiences. Anyway, I can agree that there seem to be lots of false disagnoses of the disorder, by people who only exhibit the symptoms after being told what they are, but I've also seen somebody completely unaware of DID describe and display textbook behaviours of it. And there are cases of physiological changes being recorded when "alters" appear, that couldn't be under voluntary control by the patient, so it's frustrating to see somebody say that "people with alters are lying". Anyway, I believe that it is a legitimate disorder, that's arguably overdiagnosed or even created by a misdiagnosis.
Sorry this is late. I don't find it condescending at all, and sorry if I came off as that. I didn't mean to step on your toes, I just assumed that from what was described, that it would be feasible for the user to actually have the disorder. Evidently however, you are more educated on the topic, so you probably know. I didn't know that both "interpretations" of DID were as misdiagnosed as it had appeared. Although, because the description of the disorder is pretty loose from what I've seen, it would make a lot of sense. Again, sorry for being condescending, psychology is more of a hobby for me than anything, and I just like discussing it and sharing what I know.
No no, I was initially much more dismissive than I ought to have been. DID is a contentious topic. I'm not even sure what I would change about the diagnostic criteria, what I think does or doesn't fall under the net of DID. It's all very tricky, and I don't have good answers. I do believe that it's a real disorder though, just with very blurred edges.
Umm yeah this is not true. True DID patients do not often know they have and it is often picked up on by the clinician over a period of time or during a psychotic break. There is a significant correlation between extreme cases of childhood abuse and DID. Many clinicians believe the development of DID is a coping mechanism.
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. When you're considering a diagnosis of DID you can almost always find a therapist in the person's past who trained under the group who originally started diagnosing it. It's meme-like spread doesn't make it an invalid disease, it just makes the condition more interesting
People suffering the delusion that they have Morgellons Disease, forming support groups, and reinforcing other people's delusion that they have such a disease.
It seems consensus among experts is it's delusional parasitosis that makes people think they have a skin disease or infestation.
TLema · 3 points · Posted at 00:32:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you so much for writing this out. It's so interesting.
heapsp · -66 points · Posted at 22:47:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I looked at the SSI website and it turns out im eligible for like 3k a month in benefits if i can become disabled. What is the easiest path to this? I heard faking a mental illness isn't the way to go.. should i fake a head injury and pretend to not remember things? Cut off my own leg?
I'd look in to it deeper. It's definitely not a case where people just get handed money. Usually that pays out of something you have already been paying in to, or is covered by some sort of insurance (which I guess falls in that first group so now I'm redundant).
heapsp · -2 points · Posted at 23:40:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have been paying into it for years, thats the point!
Depends on age and work history. I don't believe the 3k monthly. You'd be maxing out the recovery (at like $2700). In that case, you have a high paying job and should probably just keep working.
heapsp · 1 points · Posted at 12:55:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · -12 points · Posted at 23:45:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is "it"? What is this thing you're referring to? There isn't even an abnormal observation to explain that demands another explanation. Just a bunch of people who make crazy claims about themselves, following a popular myth, based on an old book called Sybil. Why would your psychologist have an explanation for this specific ridiculous claim? What about someone who is convinced that bad luck occurs to them every full moon? Do we need any sort of science to dismiss this unscientific claim? There shouldn't be scientific efforts where there is no observation that warrants scientific explanation. "Identity" hasn't been scientifically proven to be "dissociative" (whatever these terms mean when it comes to measurability). So there is really nothing left to be explained. All around the globe, people make crazy claims about psychology, embedded in the local myths and culture.
You have a very strict definition of „unscientific claims“ that don‘t „require science“. And yes, there are phenomena in DID that can be scientifically studied, for example blindness in one but not the other personality (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17611729/). There are also fMRI activation differences between actors imitating different personalities and DID states. Finally, the general hypothesis of DID as a late type-2 trauma compensatory mechanism, does have face validity to me. I find this worth investigating.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 03:01:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
using a case study of someone with cortical blindness to support the existence of a disorder that allegedly afflicts 1% of the population
You really couldn't find evidence more substantial than that?
It‘s not that there is a massive research effort invested into the subject. It is quite an interesting observation on its own, which is actually pretty unique: the paper reports intermittent (!) cortical blindness depending on a psychological phenomenon.
Also, my statement to not dismiss this research is independent of claims wrt prevalence.
[deleted] · -2 points · Posted at 02:51:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There is zero confirmed reports of trauma associated with DID. It's make believe.
I like the way you think. One thing I want to tell you about though that changed my thinking slightly from what is quite similar to yours. There's a case of a boy with multiple personalities and only one is allergic to nuts. In any case he can eat nuts and be fine, but if he eats nuts during a certain personality, or if the personality appears while he's eating the nuts, he'll have a full blown allergic reaction.
Besides that everyone has "multiple personalities" most people who claim to have a disorder are just depressed people who freak out when they occasionally have a good day. Or depressed people who want to be unique.
A big source of the ignorance surrounding this is the old name for the disorder, "Multiple personality disorder". My understanding is that DID at it's core is an extreme form of dissociation and mental compartmentalization, usually caused by extreme continuous childhood trauma like physical and sexual abuse. Most people with DID aren't like the highly sensationalized cases (at least some of which, IIRC, were exaggerated or were outright hoaxes) where you had multiple complete "personalities".
My girlfriend has DID, and she definitely had multiple personalities. Usually her alts would come out at random times and do things they wanted to do, but she could also "go get them" on command (at least with me). It was trippy. It was all part of her coping with trauma as a child, so each "alt" was "created" to deal with some aspect of that trauma, and each would have some repressed memories that she wasn't aware of, but they could share with me.
When she'd come back (her alt's could be asked to go away, too), she'd have no memory of the conversation I'd just had with her alt. Sometimes I'd have to play telephone tag to find out why one of her alts was causing problems.
For doubters: All I can say is, if she was consciously "faking" it, it was the greatest con job I've ever seen. I'm pretty skeptical about this sort of thing, but I was definitely sold.
And that all people that have lived through childhood abuse grow up to be killers or weirdos with tin foil hats.
loki1887 · 102 points · Posted at 22:02:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There was that statistic going around for years pushed by media like Law and Order: SVU, that 80% of childhood victims of sexual abuse with grow to sexually abuse children as well.
It's a pretty fucked up thing for a kid to hear. "A monster hurt you and you're going to be a monster, too."
It's also hard to pin down where this statistic originated from but some many place in media are quick to repeat it.
Which many people will still read the way I put it. I distinctly remember a SVU episode where a piano teacher had been abusing one of his students for years and with the help of the now teenager they put the guy away. But, what do you know? The find video of the kid abusing younger kids. They specifically cite the 80% statistic in this episode. Thats the kind of non sense I'm talking about.
This is pretty pedantic but, it's a logical misunderstanding not a statistical, one right? People get that it's 80% of a population, but don't realize it's the population of abusers not population of abused that are being referred to.
I guess you cpukd argue its a misunderstanding of how to interpret the statistics, as opposed to a misunderstanding of statistics itself. But I would argue that that sort of problemis caused by a lack of statistics comprehension, so while the fallacy is technically a logical one, it persists because of poor math skills.
Which firstly, I think is kinda good. Think about it; every superhero movie, main guy/girl is always the good guy despite his/her past. And most people aspire to be the main guy/chick (i.e a superhero)
And secondly, law and order points out the fact that a lot of people aren't alone; victims can channel their childhood abuse in a negative way, it's like a cycle. However, its something a lot of people can get help with, which the show exemplifies. It's shows a lot. So I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that they made this specific show this way
Yeah, I know that. The issue is that some people truly don't have any understanding of disorders and don't tend to critically think, so they will assume that's what DID is like. I get that most people know that's not an accurate representation, but stigma around mental illnesses in general jut strikes a chord with me based on my experiences.
Don't even get me started on that one! It just stigmatizes people that cause major catastrophes in order to isolate humans with supernatural abilities due a lifetime of feeling small due to physical frailties which for some reason makes him/her a super-villain. It's just so unfair.
but isn't the point that the psychiatrist is pushing how in DID people change physically? (i am also ignorant and don't know if that's an actual thing or not)
It's been a while since I watched it, but I think he was talking about mannerisms and physical abilities, not physical appearance. But regardless, it was the creation of a supervillain, not in any way an accurate or even physically possible depiction of a real human being.
Still stigmatizing though. Imagine if they made a movie with a villain named Super-Depression-Man who could kill people by infecting them with his depression. It's not a great look.
It's not the same though. One of his personalities turned him into something inhuman, something only possible in the world of fiction. No rational human being is going to see that and think "this is what really happens when someone has DID." Just like no rational human thinks getting bit by a spider or exposed to toxic sludge will give them super powers. If you can figure out that mental illness doesn't give you superhuman abilities like the movie portrays, you should be able to figure out that the rest might not be that accurate either. Split is an origin story for a super villain, not a documentary on mental illness.
People agree with the general idea of the statement. I'm more so ranting about stigma behind disorders like DID. Split was just the first thing that came to mind.
Technically The Beast wasn't one of his personalities. The Beast was an amalgamation of all of his personalities work together to physically change his body.
I was going to mention this in my comment below as a specific example.
My wife has a background in mental health and social work and virtually every single depiction of DID on TV and in films (specifically Split as an example) is met with an exhausted and frustrated series of comments and questions about how (and/or why) the writers could have f***ed up the DID representation so severely.
Yeah, I know someone with it. All of the personalities are super kind and friendly, as well as being very smart and hardworking. If you didn’t know about the DID you’d just assume they were really likable triplets.
As someone with a dissociative disorder, explaining why I wouldn’t watch that movie with them was a bit of an ordeal, apparently the fact that it’s magic or some shit makes it better.
doesnt it though? i dont think he's suffering from mental illness. i think its the beast doing it to him. and bruce willis is gonna fight him in the next one
No, it doesn't really make it better. The plot twist is that he's not really mentally ill, he's a monster, gotcha! But the issue with that is they portray him as having DID, so before you know he's a monster/supernatural creature/whatever, you're thinking that oh, a person with DID would kidnap and hurt people. A mindset that has already been perpetuated by things like Law & Order and similar media that is infatuated with the idea of one of the alters being a serial killer and the core having no idea. It's not cool, and it's a harmful stereotype. Not to even mention M Night's blatant obsession with mentally ill people being the bad guys in his films.
but the point is initially he displayed signs he was to his therapist. but after a while you realise that somethings up, outside of that assumption. i get why you wouldn't want to see it. but it's pretty obvious that the guy doesn't have DID. nobody who watched the movie to the end would think that a regular person with a mental illness would do that. they just get way too crazy at the end to think otherwise. i think the movie did a good job of convincing you he had a mental illness until he started doing crazy shit that just sets him up as a supervillan in the next movie
oldchew · -2 points · Posted at 03:00:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone who has suffered from DP/DR, who gives a fuck its a god damn movie.
Hey guess what? Psychological science disagrees with what you believe to be real, and I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about the topic than you do, maybe do some looking before you decide to just proclaim things like that.
oldchew · 2 points · Posted at 05:42:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most research tends to point to that fact that DID does not actual exist. Most patients get diagnosed not because they actually have multiple personalities, but that they believe they do and it still interferes with their life
Ugh I refused to watch that or anything else like it because as a therapist who works frequently with dissociative disorders (comes with doing complex trauma work) it enrages me. One time a former roommate thought I was getting into a fight with someone on the phone and I was just ranting at the TV because of a DID portrayal.
j2o1707 · 21 points · Posted at 21:44:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not a portrayal of DID, but I think it's catered to the audience to look like that as its something people know of.
Again though, it's isn't a mental illness. It's more supernatural in a sense. Definitely worth a watch if you enjoyed unbreakable, which is similar. (also yes I know, please don't reply to my comment with spoilers anyone)
I've heard that more recently and at some point I may watch it. However I also still haven't forgiven Shamalan for Airbender so there's also that lol ☺
To hear him retelling I was clutching my DSM and sobbing dramatically 😅 but yeah it does sound a bit /r/thathappened for sure
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you watch Silicon Valley on HBO? Someone with DID posted on that sub that the character of Jared well-depicted their experience and I'm so curious to hear if that checks out.
I haven't heard of that but I'm glad to hear it was accurate! Representation matters and I would love to see more accurate portrayal of mental health (the two best I've seen were for trauma/PTSD - the 9th Doctor in Doctor Who and Jessica Jones. The 3rd Ironman movie also did a good job of showing trauma responses)
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 06:21:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So I'm told -- I have BPD personally, but have come to approach it using the structural dissociation model. The character of Jared has a (comedicly exaggerated) chronic trauma history, and I noticed a lot of dissociative symptoms in him that I recognized. Then last season they seem to have had him cross over into DID. He's an incredibly sweet and lovable character and it's been nice to see something along the lines of my own experience portrayed sympathetically.
Agreed. BPD has a horrible stigma attached to it - and it's not to say that it's not an easy disorder to live with or around, but in general it doesn't make someone a monster.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 07:14:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, thank you. It's also not widely known even among clinicians that there is more than one phenotype, it's the high-aggression anxious attachment one that ppl know about but it is also possible, such as in my case, to combine BPD with avoidant/dismissing attachment style which is quite a different picture.
This is a huge frustration in seeking professional help sometimes. I understand there are limitations to every professional's knowledge-set, yet overlooking or dismissing what they perceive to be identifiers without taking into account other complexities just leads to a lot of dishearteness and skepticism.
Thank you for pointing this out.
Trawled through comments hoping this would be touched on.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:36:56 on April 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven't watched it because I am not comfortable supporting that depiction of mental illness. Sucks because I would love to see James McAvoy play all of these different characters - he is just phenomenal! But I can't justify supporting it.
I haven’t seen the movie and don’t intend to, but I’ve seen the trailer. There are a lot of comments like yours and to be honest I think they miss the point that even if in the end the character doesn’t have DID it still frames the illness as something to be feared or considered other which it isn’t and is extremely harmful for those who experience mental illness.
oldchew · 6 points · Posted at 02:58:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh my god he's a fucking mutant superhero/villian that exists in the unbreakable universe.
Its an insanely good movie and its done so well in every right and I see it as the revival of Shamalan. But yeah I honestly think he should have done some sort of thing different than a real disorder.
Yeah but SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS STOP READING IF YOU EVER WANT TO WATCH SPLIT if you get farther in the movie it’s not really a mental illness thing... he’s a super villain and it’s a villain origin story that doubles as a sequel to “Unbreakable”
If you finished it, you would know that it gives entirely the wrong idea because he becomes some crazy creature, literally not even human. It's not just some bad depiction of DID, it's some sort of almost supernatural being.
[deleted] · -17 points · Posted at 21:53:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What it must be like to live inside the head of someone who is this triggered about a movie.... Spoiler alert it's not even about a mental illness
Yes... so triggered... that's why I am flipping out about it and trying to get it banned based on what it seems to be about from the trailers, instead of, oh I dunno, simply choosing not to watch it myself or some other completely reasonable thing.... lol
[deleted] · -21 points · Posted at 22:02:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I am not comfortable supporting that depiction of mental illness"
What does this even mean??? You won't watch any movie that has a mentally ill character??
Which again, I'll spoil since you "can't justify watching a MOVIE": he doesn't even have a mental illness, it's a supernatural power. So have fun being upset about nothing!
Wh...why are you so upset? Why are you so emotionally invested in whether or not I, a random internet stranger, watch a movie?
[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 23:06:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not upset lol, just confused why you're so concerned about this movie "making you uncomfortable" to the point that you intentionally "boycotted" it for something that it's not even about lol.
God forbid you watch a movie that makes you "uncomfortable"
It's not about the movie making me uncomfortable. It's about not being comfortable supporting a film that, by all indications from the trailers, seems to be based around a problematic portrayal of a mental illness. How mental illness is portrayed in media impacts how society views the mentally ill. Therefore, I choose to not give my money to filmmakers who I feel do a disservice to the mental health community. You keep saying it's not about mental illness - obviously that is not how it is portrayed in the trailers... the only way to know the apparent twist is to either watch the movie or be told that. And you're getting worked up with me because I made a statement about my choice not to view a particular movie because it struck me as problematic and not something I want to support. It is silly. You are being silly.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 23:17:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The person who is made uncomfortable by a fictional work is the one being silly here
Sounds like they’re clearly talking about the one specific movie they decided not to watch. Honestly your reaction is a bit over the top, like you’ve got an emotional investment in if other people want to watch Split or not, and then must be rude to anyone who does not. Other replies make a good point about this movie being more than it seems without the antagonism.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 23:05:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm just dumbfounded that someone would be so worried about watching a movie when they don't even know anything about it.
lmfao how do they sound worried? It sounds like they saw a trailer of the movie, thought that it was doing a disservice to the mentally ill, and ignored it.
Yep. Therapist here. I have hit the point where I flat out won't watch anything to do with it because of how it is portrayed. I've not worked with DID at this point but as I specialize in complex trauma I work with dissociation frequently. It's a spectrum, not one set thing and most people don't get it
I watched this with my girlfriend. She works in computer science and I work in mental health. Both of us were blown away by how well-represented each of our fields were.
I love the show, don't get me wrong, but it's too bad that this level of authenticity is considered niche
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 03:20:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you for mentioning that it is a spectrum. I have PTSD with dissociation and if I ever mention it people believe that I must never be able to function and should be on disability. Yet I plow my way through work days no problem but if the day sucked, when I leave I let myself dissociate very badly for that evening. I do have some control over my symptoms. People don't get this.
One problem at my job is that I have very disordered thinking so while my old boss used to occasionally let me say what I meant in my way, then focus and repeat again in English, my current boss wants everything I verbally communicate to have linear thinking. I'm not saying that's unreasonable but I am also saying that's physically impossible.
They really don't. It's also hard to bring it up with clients sometimes for the same reason - it's a big scary word that can mean something really specific for a lot of people. I introduce it as a spectrum for that reason which tends to be helpful.
Are there any theories about memory compartmentalization tied emotional changes in depression and bipolar individuals?
I've long suspected studying DID and memory compartmentalization could explain other psychological disorders better, but I'm not in the field so it is just a floating idea. Do you know of any studies on this that might prove or disprove this theory?
You know, I haven't! But it is a very interesting theory. I don't think it would be identical but it wouldn't surprise me if it had a similar pathway or mechanism in the brain. The reason I don't think it would be that disassociation typically is a result of repeated, inescapable trauma - basically, the brain decides the only thing it can do to protect itself is to completely check out. It's particularly common with childhood trauma. It's also something that, with a lot of work, can be resolved. Extreme mood shifts with bipolar disorder are due to an organic issue with the brain - basically, something is off with the wiring. This can be managed with therapy and the right medication. However, right now we don't have the ability to resolve it - bipolar disorder is a chronic illness.
*nods* Specifically, memory compartmentalization without dissociation, in a subtle way.
This theory comes from watching people with depressive episodes. When I see people depressed they can't seem to come up with positive memories of the past without some sort of help, unless the depression is mild. Even if they're aware of this phenomena, they still can't seem to do it. Yet oddly, having a person with episodes of depression write a note to their future depressed self, or having a photo of the past, can associate a memory outside of the depression, pulling them out of it.
By bridging that memory compartmentalization, I've seen depression reduced in individuals, but lacking optimistic behavior traits, lacking optimistic framing of beliefs and memories, and certain associations or triggers still pull them back into that depression.
Btw, I had a bout of psychosis from extreme anxiety and when it went away my emotions have been flat. I can feel relaxation and sadness but not much else. I forget if I've tested taking Adderall to see if I will feel anything or get any response. I tried an SSRI and an rMAOI, both to no effect on the emotions. This left me exploring depression thinking the anhedonia was depression, but this doesn't look like it. I thought it was depersonalization, but that doesn't look like it either. It's pretty hellish. Do you by any chance know of any studies or anyone who might have experience with something as rare as this? It's far more terrible than it sounds.
edit: Oh and I was abused by a narcissist, so it could be emotional numbing from that, but I don't see any signs of emotions coming back atm.
I'm not sure on research, but since you mentioned a trauma history I would recommend EMDR if you haven't tried it already. The tl;dr of it is it's a neurologically based therapy that helps to clear out and rewire the parts of the brain that store our negative thoughts and traumas. It may also help with the depression and feeling "flat" - it was specifically developed for PTSD but can be successfully used with non PTSD anxiety and depression.
While I can't technically make medical recommendations, if I was your therapist I would ask if you've had your vitamin D levels checked to rule out a medical issue. Have you tried either an SNRI or Welbutrin for medication? I'm guessing you have if your doc put you on an MAOI (they aren't commonly used for a number of reasons) but I don't like making assumptions. You have to be careful with Welbutrin and anxiety but it's a more "energizing" medication in terms of depression. The other thing you may want to look into is if you're close to any facility doing microdosing programs or research. There's been a LOT of success with microdosing and treatment resistant depression so it may be worth checking into.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions or if you need any level of support! I can't promise a quick response but I can promise a response
Because I'm not dissociating or anything else it hasn't been suggested, but I have considered it and next time I get a chance I'll bring it up.
vitamin D levels checked
It's not winter blues. I also have a multivitamin I don't regularly take, but it does have D3 in it. Unless there is a reason I could have low D3 while taking a vitamin, I don't think there is a reason to pursue blood work.
It's also clearly not depression. I've had depression in the past and am quite familiar with it. This is a unique experience.
Have you tried either an SNRI or Welbutrin for medication?
Good idea. I've not out of fear it might fry my neurology more than it already is. I've got some here.
The other thing you may want to look into is if you're close to any facility doing microdosing programs or research. There's been a LOT of success with microdosing and treatment resistant depression so it may be worth checking into.
What kind? When I hear that word I think studies of recreational substances. The symptoms are such that if I took a large recreational quantity (a microdose too) I wouldn't respond to it, as if I haven't taken it. Music too. Same thing. No feeling. I was a big music geek too (both play and listen). It is watching my hobby be ripped away from me.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions or if you need any level of support! I can't promise a quick response but I can promise a response
That's kind of you. I appreciate it.
Really, I could use a good therapist irl. To put it bluntly, there aren't many who keep up with me. It would be nice to find a therapist who is above gifted. My situation is subtle and uncommon unfortunately.
I'd say step one is finding a specialist. Psychology Today is a good place to start. Like you said it's not a typical or straightforward situation.
In regards to the microdosing I don't know if I can really answer your questions. It's one of those things I've heard good things about but isn't available in my area so I don't have practical experience with it
My wife has a background in mental health and social work and virtually every single depiction of DID on TV and in films is met with an exhausted and frustrated series of comments and questions about how (and/or why) the writers could have f***ed up the DID representation so severely.
My partner has DID and I can't count the times I've had to explain how somebody isn't like her because they're 'totally a different person when they're drunk' -_-
It's a very misunderstood condition and a lot of people think it's a lot more glamorous than it is. Since it's a condition stemming from abuse it's often paired with things like PTSD, depression and anxiety. Not fun.
Even her family didn't understand it, which makes me sad.
'yeah, I'm a different person when I'm at home'
'oh, all girls are like that'
And my least favourite is when somebody will legitimately ask if I have sex with my partners child alters.
I can understand that's a general concern people have but it's something that gets asked so often (no, by the way. That's weird :-P)
I can tell who is out or coconscious by a slight curl of the lip or a tiny change in stance, upward inflection of the voice or, in the case of one alter, becoming extremely flamboyant :-P
Also, a great understanding about what DID actually is.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:27:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most people who think they have it have more of a code/character switching habit. Because you felt like a woman from the south today and acted like one doesn't mean your brain's chemical makeup also changed.
I'm a licensed professional counselor. I was told multiple times in grad school that I would probably retire before actually seeing a true case of DID. So far, that's true.
I have, however, seen a TON of people try to claim that they have DID as a means to get out of trouble for doing something.
My former best friend claims to have multiple personalities. Each personality has their own tumblr account and Facebook.
In total she claims to have over 1000.
Most of which have unbelievable tragic backstories, several are psychopaths, most are geniuses, a couple of them are otherkin or some kind of supernatural entities e.g. demons, fairies, angels, vampires etc. Some of them are also fictional characters: Sam and Dean from Supernatural, for example, Kurt Wagner from X-men, and Rei from Evangellion. She calls them "fictive headmates."
I don't think she really has DID. But since at twenty-five she still pretends to be Nightcrawler from X-men I think she is quite unwell and does need some serious medical help.
Here on Reddit I sometimes hear people talk about how SJWs don't really exist to this extent. But...seriously, they do. Anyone who believes that is lucky because they clearly haven't met someone like her.
Yeah, the term SJW has become so obnoxiously diluted to the point where anybody who shows basic human decency or points out racist/sexist behaviour is a "SJW"
But for those few who do go all out, Tumblr really does seem to be the platform of choice.
Rootner · 1 points · Posted at 17:34:10 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Here on Reddit I sometimes hear people talk about how SJWs don't really exist to this extent.
I wonder how many of us have been to a public college the last 8 years.
Is thay why they're a former friend? Sounds like an exhausting relationship. I know a histrionic and can only stand her in small doses.
arelow · 5 points · Posted at 03:25:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I got wound into this "community" and these people on Tumblr a few years ago. I'm a relatively spiritual person and I was trying to get involved with the traditional otherkin community when I got roped into this bs.
I unfollowed someone I was friends with prior.
Was told I'm transphobic (I too am/was trans) for using "they" as a gender neutral pronoun, when "he" was listed in the blog desc. I avoided looking bc they used IP trackers and would say I'm a stalker.
Then was told I'm ableist (I am autistic) for calling another autistic person annoying.
The reason I unfollowed was because this person was getting upset, telling people to kill themselves, and whenever someone called them out they went into one of their "alters" to "cope" and posted overly nice, passive aggressive stuff til everyone left. They had self dx'd DID among other things (most of which were not comorbid with each other).
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 21:59:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a licenced clinical social worker and I've already seen 2 cases. It's under diagnosed and often missed because people are told in grad school that it is too rare and you'll never see it. 1% of the general population and 3-5% of the clinical population. That means of every 100 clients you see, 3-5 people are likely to have it. I feel like I need to advocate because it isn't going to look like what you expect it to from movies but if you know what you are looking for you WILL see it.
Fair enough. I would imagine it is often misdiagnosed because it doesn’t resemble what people see in the media - though I would hope that a clinician working with mental illness would throw out what they see in movies long before entering the workforce. Saying I believe it to be rare doesn’t mean I would ignore symptoms and look for an accurate diagnosis. We just unfortunately work in a very grey science.
I would hope that too, but they often don't. It's a tough one though, because to believe it and see it in clients requires a clinician to change thier world view (it did for me atleast) because what it takes to cause/create DID is so heinous that it almost doesn't make sense, so instead people believe that they are lying.
If you’re truly diagnosed with DID, then you should know how rare it is. Your own link says it occurs in less than 2% of people. What part of that was me talking out of my ass? And what did linking a post I made trying to do some freelance art have to do with anything??
Lupinn1 · 60 points · Posted at 22:01:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My ex-girlfriend had that. She didn't know about it herself, so it scared me completely.
I told her about it after the first time, and called me a liar. Time after that (couple months later) I taped itn and showed it to her. She went to see the doctor for that.
Haven't talked to her in years
Hope she is doing all alright.
My mother had it. (Four years of extensive, extremely painful therapy managed to merge the personalities.) One of her personalities was dating a guy without her main personality knowing. She ran into him at a grocery store and he addressed her by one of her personality’s names. She was horrified.
Okay, I'm curious, was it a decent childhood, or did you need to live with someone else? Did all/most personalities, or even any other than her main one, know she was a mother?
Im not the person you asked, but my mother also has DID with comorbid BPD. My childhood was pure hell there was physical, emotional, mental, and medical abuse. It was not a good environment at all for my sister and I. I am sure that isnt a universal thing with children of parents with DID but it was for me. Two of her personalities hated me so very much. One would just straight beat me with any object that was handy.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Pure hell does sound like a fitting description. I know we don't know much about this because it's the human brain and all (could be wrong, haven't done any research), but it's fascinating that the brain does that. Why/how it does that, I mean.
It's incredibly sad that most of your mother's personalities turned out to be abusive.
Up until about 4 years ago I hated her for what happened in my childhood. It didnt help she carried the emotional/mental abuse into my adult years. I am 31 now and realize that she legitimately cannot help the way she is. She goes to therapy, takes meds, and does everything she can to be more mentally healthy. She has come a long way and talks with me about the issues she has. I have learned how to forgive her shes really great when she isnt experiencing events that trigger her mental illness terribly. I do wish she was like that all the time, but I can accept that she is trying and not let the rest harm me anymore.
I do know exactly why she has it. She was severely abused by grandparents. She had the hell beaten out of her on a regular basis worse than what I experienced. Her father literally broke one side of her face beating her, broke her nose 5 times, broke both her legs etc. My grandmother didnt physically abuse her, but the emotional and mental abuse was pretty bad. I can understand why she is this way, she had to protect herself.
I'm sure it took a lot for you to get to that place, but I'm sure she appreciates it a lot.
That does make sense though, different personalities to cope with abuse/different kinds of abuse.
I really appreciate you sharing all this with me/us. I really enjoy learning about mental illnesses and how they work, and I'm sure it's not the easiest thing to talk about.
Honestly im not too sure on the details as she was undiagnosed at the time. There was a lot of unpredictable behaviour. Including semi violent outbursts.
Her memory was obviously unreliable and i was frequently accused of lying or being crazy.
As far as i know the alters all knew everything about her actions etc. but mum herself was unaware of their actions.
Actually met a person who has this. I had no idea for two years. We hung out in the same circle of friends. Then one month he stopped taking his medication or something because we all witnessed like 4 or 5 different people suddenly come out of him. I have a bunch of stories because it got pretty wild if anyone is interested but this will probably get buried.
Alright I have a total of 2 people interested so I suppose I'll throw out the the story of how we found out. So I'll simplify the circle of friends as Adam, Jacob, and Frank. This was in college and Adam and Frank were flatmates while I was a flatmate with Jacob.
One day Frank comes over to our place and he is telling us that he has no idea where Adam is and that Adam was acting really strange before he disappeared. Well apparently one of Adam's "personalities" is a god-like figure who believes he can do anything. The entire day beforehand, Adam was telling Frank how his name is not Adam but it is God. Frank thought Adam was just trolling him because Adam has always been a weird guy so he kinda shrugs it off. For the entire day Adam only responded to God and has no idea who Adam is.
Anyways, so Adam disappeared. Where did he go? It turns out Adam came-to and called Frank about 3 states away saying his car is out of gas and "lost control" for a bit. Adam drove probably over 900 miles straight with no sleep and he doesn't remember a thing.
We connected the dots and realized Adam has DID. He didn't tell anyone about it but after that incident he took a break for a month from school. Somehow he passed that semester.
Yeah it's confirmed DID. He was diagnosed in his teens I think. He also has a personality that claims to speak absolutely no English but speaks perfect English in a Mexican accent. He knows zero Spanish.
I forgot to mention that Adam spoke to only Frank about his DID but Frank has spoken with Jacob and I because it's difficult for Frank to live with someone who acts like that. Frank's a good guy and didn't want to leave Adam to live alone especially while Adam was having a really hard time maintaining control.
I remember my boyfriend when I was 14 said he had multiple personality disorder because sometimes he didn't feel like himself. Me and my bff laughed at that shit for way too long
On the contrary. Prevalence rates are estimated at 0.1-2%,
which, yeah that's small. But so many people think it's fake outside of the movies and doesn't exist at all - including medical and psychological professionals who really should know better.
So I'd say that this is something people think is ridiculously rare, that isn't really as rare as people think.
Akitz · 6 points · Posted at 03:31:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
An ex girlfriend of mine had it, along with a plethora of other issues. The main point is that it wasn't a brain which harbours multiple discreet personalities like in a movie. She just had an issue with "dissociation" in which she'd act or speak but not feel like she was in control or able to affect it. More like an autopilot rather than having an Icelandic lumberjack named Hreggviður Einnarson living in her head.
That is a common presentation of it. But having alters with distinct identities is also not uncommon and us well established in the research, literature, and history.
(Sorry for linking so much to that one site. It's just the best organized, most easily accessible source, with good sources to back up what it says if you want to research more in depth.)
Thanks for the links! Will have a read this evening.
nflez · 42 points · Posted at 17:45:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
it usually stems from severe child abuse allowing the child in question to not have to "front" during an after the abuse. i'd imagine most who have it are reticent to admit it considering just how stigmatized it is.
Most people who have it probably don't know. DID isn't like depression or Anxiety or much else really. The alter acting as the front may never have a reason to dig further into themselves and find out that there is something wrong. DID is in many ways a mental system of organization that's designed to keep the "front" ignorant, so that they can do their job. If that system never breaks, than the person with DID never finds out.
The only reason why my mother figured it out was because we saw an episode of Oprah together with a person with DID on it. I was sitting there hearing about this stuff and talked to my dad about it and we together called her therapist. We were right, she does have it and BPD.
It is nice to see your later reaction where you say you didn't want to offend anyone. But it's hard to make this kind of judgement calls without proper knowledge of the subject.
I'm diagnosed with DDNOS (dissociative disorder not otherwise specified). The reason I have DDNOS is because I was severely emotionally abused. As far as my earliest memories go, I've never felt safe. Not one moment in my life. I dissociate too, but with me it never goes as far as that I developed different personalities. I think what describes dissociation best for me is that your perception of reality changes as it would when you would use drugs (like xtc).
Sometimes it even goes that far that I don't even feel like myself anymore. Sometimes I feel like a small child. Not as in "I feel extra playful today", but when I'm under extreme stress like a fight or sexual pressure I don't feel and act like the 30 year old woman that I am. I have the humour of a 2 year old; really giggly about stuff like noses and peek-a-boo games, funny sounds. My motor skills differ from normally. I would actually sit like a toddler would, I have less balance. My voice is so different. I can't even speak normally anymore. My grammar is like a very young child too. 1-3 word sentences, wrong word placement, very simple words.
I can see why you would think why someone would do this for attention. But imagine for a moment (not trying to be condescending here, but really try to imagine for a moment) how it would be for you if this would happen to you if you are having a fight with you partner. Do you understand then that it is absolutely mortifying and humiliating? Everybody knows me as an eloquent, smart, mature woman. To have to endure this is absolutely horrible. And very annoying also, because I don't want this to happen, I really want to take my responsibilty and talk out my fights (and do my best to still try and talk it out after such an episode is over). I don't like it at all that my partner doesn't have a chance to say what he has to say, but instead needs to take care of me, because I'm not able to do that anymore myself. And I can't break out of that state of mind when I want to. My consciousness comes and goes. Like when you are really drunk. When you suddenly have a sober moment and realize you should definitely drink water or go home, but then the next moment you're in that drunken state again. So when I'm dissociating I'm not aware of it all the time, but only in those sober moments. It's utterly frustrating and frightening that in those sober moments I can't clearly communicate what I want or need.
Almost no people know this of me. It took me several years of therapy before I even dared to tell my psychiatrist about it. That's how ashamed I am of it. That shame stems first of all from the fact that I can't act as a mature person in those moments. But it has been made severly worse because people know so little about it and have such severe opinions about it. Even therapists. I have been wrongly diagnosed with having psychotic episodes, even though I kept saying that I was aware that what I perceived wasn't true even while it occured. Then, which absolutely had a devastating effect, it was seen as manipulation and thus as Borderline Personality Disorder, as an easy way out of difficult situations. I can't even begin to tell you how that made me feel. I've always been someone that feels way too responsible. So also for those behaviours. It made me so angry with myself. And then to have professionals tell me that I did it because I have a lack of respect for other people... It makes me nauseous even now. It took me about two years of extensive therapy to heal the wounds that those therapists made. And keep in mind, that all this time I didn't know what was wrong with me. After hearing it over and over again that I just wanted to take the easy way out, I believed them. But I still didn't understand how that could be the easy way, since it was so painful to me and after an episode it would take me days to get to my normal self again.
It was only after a therapist recognized it, because she knew first hand what dissociating was, that I finally got some education on it and help how to deal with it. Mind you that I was in therapy for 8 years already at that time. From the time I got the right treatment my progress at taking back control has been immense. I've been making a little start at accepting that it is not my fault these episodes happen. Next to that I have to be mindful of getting enough food, sleep, medication, to go away from situations when I feel the dissociation coming up.
I've had people screaming at me, getting panicked, spooked, just walking away from me, crying, being angry at me while dissociated all for something I had no control over and couldn't do anything about at that moment. Can you imagine? Really not being able to change the behaviour that other people are upset by even though you want it more than anything? All the while you're are frightened by what is happening to you because you don't know what it is and when and if it will end?
I never speak with people about this. Very little people understand. And that's okay. I'm even glad for that, since it's absolutely horrible to endure and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It has left some deep scars on me and it still does, to be really truthful.
I'm eternally grateful that I met a good therapist. For me knowing that she knows that I am not lying is the difference between the great but still difficult life a live now and killing myself.
And all this, because I was abused the first 18 years of my life. I didn't choose this. It's unfair, but it is what I deal with on a daily basis. And on top of that people that don't take me seriously and judge me.
So please, not all people that have disorders like this are attention seekers. I'm personally very allergic to drama.
It is the same as saying that dyslexic people write and read poorly on purpose for the attention it gets them, since you can't see their disorder.
Tldr; just read it if you are interested in the experiences of someone with a dissociative disorder
You're welcome. It is always nice to encounter people that are willing to here another side to the story. :) That's a valuable and rare trait you have.
Spend a few days with someone who has it. Talk to their friends and family members. Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence, especially when there hasn't been much research done on it.
Someone with DID will (from their own subjective experience) have lapses in memory, where they may act very differently , engage in complex behaviours and appear normal on the outside (so its not like sleep walking or an irrational scizophrenic episode).
"Manipulative behavior" is pretty a pretty harsh lable to put on the perhaps 1000s of people suffering from this dosorder on a daily basis. The same thing people used to (and some even still do) about depression, anxiety and even some physical things like allergies. And even about lgbt people. But we know now thats not true.
If you're interested Id recommend looking up a girl named Jess who has a YouTube channle multiplicityandme. She has been on several talk shows and done interviews, and was in a documentary about what its lime to live with different mental illnesses. She has some educational content about what DID is and what is not.
I've never gotten the vibe from her that she wanted attention or was being manipulative, or that she ever wanted to do anything but just live her (their) life and erase some of the stigma of DID.
Obviously anecdotal evidence should always be taken with a grain of salt. But there are some preliminary findings of different changes in the brain that are associated with DID. I believe Jess explains some of this in one of her videos.
Im not the person you’re replying to, but while i do appreciate your honesty; please stop this.
This is exactly the benign-intentioned behaviour that reinforces a stigma which makes dealing with the issue so much harder for the sufferer clinically, scientifically, and especially socially.
I have a neurological disorder that people say doesn’t exist and is simply ‘manipulative behaviour’ in essence, and it makes it hard to work through the issues with family or the public when i need to because the common understanding isn’t helpful.
You have been honest about your understanding and said you will look into DID more, so I can only wish more people were like you, in this case.
Celcey · 8 points · Posted at 23:43:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rare, but not unheard of. I know two people with DID (although I know only one of them well). Interestingly enough, they dated for a while, and are still good friends.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 00:29:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. I have a friend who is a clinical psychologist and prof (for about 15 years) and he just recently had a student who had DID or at least claimed. But he wasnt sure if it was real or faking but he was fascinated to talk to her because he has never previously encountered it professionally.
I have a student who I've worked eithbom and off for about 3 years has this among other disabilities. I've dealt with multiple issues with him but only recently did I see a legitimate break where he thought he was a child and it's was really bizarre to see. Tried to talk to him and he really wasn't there. We had to talk to him in like the 3rd or 4th person like "well your friend Billy is a student here and said you'd be coming to visit and he planned out this stuff for us to do! Wasn't that really nice of him let's go see what art class is all about ok?" At one point I had to tell his new personality he was borrowing my students body but only if he behaved and listened to us. I didn't really know how to respond to some of the things he said and it was a bit creepy if you knew this kids history.
I just have to say, as a mental health professional, every person I've ever met with DID was, in fact, suffering Borderline Personality Disorder. I've worked in acute mental health for 9 years and I know of only one person who buys into the diagnosis. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with the diagnosis; that is not my intention.
So what would you think if you met someone who presented with DID but who did not meet the criteria for BPD? For example, what if they displayed only the BPD criteria relating to dissociation and identity disturbance, but none of the other criteria such as relationship instability, impulsivity, etc?
I could see how someone could conceptualize what they were seeing with DID as BPD if they didn't believe DID to be a valid diagnosis, such as conceptualizing identity states as affective instability. I could also see someone with BPD believing themselves to have DID, particularly if they'd seen media portrayals. I totally understand the validity of thinking horses rather than zebras when you hear hoofbeats, but zebras do still exist.
This is so eloquently stated and in a MUCH calmer more effective way than if I said it. Thank you from an LCSW who works with complex trauma and dissociative disorders.
Thank you. I was actually speaking from personal experience. I have DID but fit almost none of the diagnostic criteria of BPD (except dissociation) unless you conceptualize my identity states as as mood swings, irritability, etc. I actually have very stable relationships, no problems with impulsivity, no anger problem, etc. Even though my identity states are distinct, we all share a core interpersonal pattern that is pretty incompatible with a BPD diagnosis. My DID really doesn't look like BPD at all.
Unless a clinician was taught not to see DID because it is "so rare that you'll never see it". I'm an LCSW and I find myself fighting this battle with other clinicians so often. Thank you for sharing your story and advocating for your self.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:23:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is actually the most common way DID presents itself! A majority of the symptoms are usually covert, with a few personalities usually taking front day-to-day in order to live out a normal life. Here's a quick source from DID Research, in case you're interested on learning more.
Don't forget secondary problematic behaviour from not being believed and being properly treated. People forget that if other people would keep telling them that something they experience is not true, it would have severe effects too.
Imagine that noone would recognize anger as something that exists and call you attention seeking or lying when you say that you have these experiences where you feel different; more intense, as if things are more important and urgent, your body feels different than normally, less attentive of your surroundings such as the birds chirping. It is normal that if someone doesn't take you seriously, you would react to that.
And even more so if people would -because you clearly show signs of manipulation- also label your other behavious as manipulation. (E.g. You're sad about something and thus cry, people would think you want attention from them with your crying, since you are clearly an attention seeking person with these talks about 'anger'.) So now people attribute it to your personality instead of a normal reaction.
And take it even a step further, imagine that people are now saying you have a personality disorder, even though you feel as if your reactions are pretty normal to what is happening and next to that, you've lost comfort, trust, companionship and what more, because people think you're manipulating them. It would seem to me that it is quite impossible to not act out at one time. Which, with the bias already there, will be easily labeled as impulsivity. Or maybe you start to believe that you're manipulative yourself, but at other times are not so sure and thus having an unstable self image. It is easy to build a diagnoses of Borderline Personality Disorder around someone that is misdiagnosed. Especially in acute mental health care, since people often end up there when they are under a great amount of stress.
It seems overly simple, but it has happened to me and I believe that it happens to very many people. I think Borderline Personality Disorder has often just trauma underneath it. And if you have endured things that are severely damaging, it is perfectly normal to have intense emotions and reactions to that.
I personally think that a lot of trouble comes forth out of diagnosing people on their behaviour alone. I think when you feel a little urge, for example, and immediately act on it, it is impulsive. But when you feel a immense urge and act on it, is that impulsive or just normal? Care givers often tend to forget to look at what's underneath behaviour. And if you know what's there, the behaviour of people often makes sense.
I have to say, I'm entirely sensitive to the diagnosis as well as the trauma that comes with being held and treated against one's will. I agree that this can momentarily make the situation worse. I also agree that once the bias is in place, we do tend to attribute behaviours that fit to the PD. I also agree that there is almost ALWAYS significant trauma underlying; Borderline is, simply put, an entirely negative and inappropriate set of coping skills. That said, it is also an entirely fixable situation. The person has to accept the diagnosis and what it means, and actively attempt to be cognizant and change the coping with intensive therapy. This doesn't mean they won't relapse, they often do. I know a few BPD folks who have taken the majority of control of their lives and still trip up but I respect that they've decided to take control. However, DID is nonsense, plain and simple. It's an attention seeking (I know you may not like the term) mechanism that involves putting more people to work on the BPD and allows an outlet to act how one wants with a crutch to support the claim.
I strongly disagree with you on DID. First of all, every person I heard of first hand that they had DID were absolutely not trying to get attention for it. Far from it, they often hide it from almost everyone. Maybe you should read my above post about my experience with DDNOS to get a bit more insight on how severe dissociation feels to me and what it does to me as a person.
As I wrote earlier, first I was diagnosed with having BPD. Some of the descriptions about BDP seemed to apply to me, but many of the literature on BDP I could not recognize myself in at all. I have had BDP treatment based on Linehan. It left me feeling very frustrated. It helped a bit, but mostly it still felt as if it didn't really fit my problems, as if it only touched the surface.
Later, I got diagnosed with C-PTSD and DDNOS. I had never heared of it. But all the descriptions fitted like a glove. The first time I read about it I cried so much from relief. There on paper stood exactly what I couldn't put into words. The therapy I got now, helped me a whole lot more, without a doubt, and way faster. I'm eternally greatful for the mental health professionals that truly listened to me and truly tried to help me.
To be fair, in my extensive experience with therapy, it struck me that every therapist that used the word bordeline to describe me, were also the one's that never really listened, got facts wrong, didn't have there therapy plans in order, never treated me as a person or equal and were a lot less intelligent. They never were able to really explain things when I asked in depth questions.
I personally believe that someone that says that DID is nonsense, should not be working in mental health care. A true professional can keep an open mind, since it is (almost) impossible to proof that something does or doesn't exist. I think a belief like that can be very harmful to patients. And that other's think the same as yourself, does not make it more true. Moreover, it is often a warning sign that you lose objectivity.
OCD, too. Which I get that OCD is far more common than DID, but people throw that term around so much that it’s lost its meaning. It pisses me off because I am actually diagnosed with OCD so when I mention that I’m having issues from it, most people just kinda laugh it off like it doesn’t cause me extreme hurtles in my every day.
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[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:14:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Heya. waves Sounds like my story. I have DDNOS too. It only has been 8 years for me before I found someone that properly diagnosed me. Also someone specialized in trauma.
reduces · 17 points · Posted at 21:34:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
me, a person with this disorder: finally my time to shine, AMA. lmao
Are you able to live a “normal” life? I saw you say that you just got off work. Are your employers sympathetic? Are you able to manage your symptoms well?
That's a very powerful way to put it. I'm curious if you're willing to share. If not, hope you are in a peaceful place.
sqqueen · 2 points · Posted at 21:04:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She died 20 years ago this year (in a few weeks, come to think of it) so yeah, I'm beyond it.
Basically, she would be totally inconsistent from day to day, and would do weird things. l mean like showing up on my birthday with 2 happy birthday balloons and saying she bought them for my 2 kids. WTF? Like having had 3 years of law school but not knowing how to cut a pie without an actual pie server. Like raging at me, truly raging, then denying she'd ever done that. Continue continue continue.
Eventually I figured out there was no difference between her and, say, Sybil or 3 Faces of Eve. ("Coincidentally", I had read every book in the library on Multiple Personality in the last 5 years...can you spell "denial"?)
I talked with my siblings and they all agreed. She had some kind of normal functional personality that went to law school. She had a rageful one. She had an innocent little kid. There were probably a few others.
It explained the balloons: The competent one bought the balloons, another personality didn't know why.
It explained the denial: The rageful one raged, the other ones didn't know she existed.
That explained not being able to find her way around the block to drive to the park, or to cut a pie: The innocent little kid was in charge.
Snap, snap, snap, everything weird about her just snapped into place in a crystal clear picture if you take that as a possibility.
Read "The Myth of Sanity" by Martha Stout. Apparently some version of dissociation is pretty common, it's just we often think of the people who do it a lot as "moody" and rarely think the whole truth.
My Ex had many personalities. She is Integrated now. Just FYI they all have different facial expressions , they act , different, and kiss different. Nothing scarrier than her driving and the 5 year old comes out , who can't drive. Luckily the little one listened to me , and let big April come back out. One was a neat freak , etc.
I couldn't disagree more. In clinical circles it is under diagnosed to the point that therapists and doctors don't believe it exists at all.
Kasoni · 2 points · Posted at 04:36:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot more people have this than will admit it. Could be their secret or it could be they don't know/understand or they went to get help and were misdiagnosised. But seems to me to be more prevalent than STDs.
No, because what's fluid is their gender identity and expression, but not their whole personality. They are always the same person and they retain memory of what they do whatever gender they present as.
Afaik 'genderfluid' is about social roles, not the biological sex. So it's not gender dysphoria, it's about personal choice. Transgenderism and 'gender as social roles' are two different things.
You know what sucks about the whole genderfluid thing? The reintroduction of the idea that one's "gender" means anything to begin with. Throughout the 90s and early 2000s (maybe before, but I wasn't alive back then) I was inundated with the idea that traditional gender roles are terrible restricting facets of society, and anyone can do anything no matter what gender they are, that gender is just a language and cognitive thing used to identify people based on secondary and primary sex characteristics. A woman can be a strong lumberjack, and a man can sit at home with his kids and cook for his working wife and mother of his children while keeping the house nice and clean. A man can go into volleyball and tennis if he wants, while a woman can be a football star.
To a certain extent these are untrue. Typically, the comparative lack of testosterone will make it very difficult for any woman to compete with an equally active/athletic male on any physical level. But that's the thing. That just means they might have to work a little harder for it. It doesn't mean that they have to relabel those activities as "manly" and change their gender identity to match it.
At this point the whole gender thing is so disproportionate to the importance of the issue because the issue is fake to begin with. Gender ROLES are a social construct, and doing away with those has been a goal for many for a long time. Stop inventing new gender roles to label yourself as. That's not your own unique or uncommon gender role. That's just who you are.
Akitz · 1 points · Posted at 03:36:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I disagree slightly with your comment about sports. It's unreasonable to expect women to just "work a little harder" to compete with men. On many sports (even without physical contact between athletes), men perform at a completely separate level.
Just because it's not a biological phenomenon, doesn't mean it's not a social role people can choose. You say they can't make up their mind, but I think them choosing a label and living authentically the way they want to is them making up their mind.
It's a different thing from being transsexual, but there's no need to be a dick to people for choosing to express gender the way they want to.
I get where you're coming from with this, but I think it's mainly who you talk to who identify as this. There are a lot, and I mean a LOT, of people online who say they are genderfluid just because it's new and "trendy" and they want people to think there is something wrong with them and then get mad about it. But I have met a couple of people irl who identify as this and they obviously don't have a "normal brain". They already had previously diagnosed mental illnesses and they experience a cycle over several months, not just a couple of days. One described it as feeling like they are on the borderline of transgenderism, where they don't know how they truly feel inside and sometimes they are completely comfortable in their body, and sometimes they feel like they can't even look at themselves in the mirror because they feel so wrong. I really don't envy them and I don't understand why some people make it up just so they can be treated differently.
Being between genders, swinging from one gender to another, being a "third" gender ...these are phenomena that have existed for a very long time usually in third world countries. Some examples: Thai "ladyboys," Fa'afafine, Tumtum, Two Spirit, Intersex, ...there are others but it's hard to find decent information on them these days. The Tumblr crowd have got their claws deep into these terms and I can't find a lot of info that doesn't have some white woman claiming to identify as one or more of these things. When you say "it's another made up bullshit thing," I kinda agree. I think there are significant cultural identities in the past and present that explored gender identity outside of biological sex and that those cultures are quite interesting. Mainly because those gender identities still undertook a gender role of some kind and contributed to the society they lived in.
Today, western gender identity (75 genders owe em geee!!!!) is synonymous with personality. If we're doing that then we have an infinite number of genders. Somewhere along the line it just gets dumb. You nailed it with "just another made up bullshit thing." And people for whom the most interesting thing about them is their gender? Wow. I can't imagine anyone more boring. But that's just me being catty...
I don't think genderfluid-identifying people are bad. But I don't think they are half as interesting as they think they are and, most importantly, I don't think they are at all well. I don't know if being genderfluid is a mental illness in and of itself but I don't know a single genderfluid individual who isn't also mentally ill in some other way. If someone is genderfluid they almost always seem to also have depression and anxiety and usually a number of other issues too.
This is too common to be a coincidence.
The cause? No idea.
Questioning one's gender identity could be an uninvestigated symptom of moderate to severe depression. That's a possibility. It could also be society's cruelty toward people who are different that makes them depressed and anxious. It could also be that there is a whole new mental illness yet to be discovered which includes gender dysmorphic symptoms as well as symptoms of depression and anxiety. I don't know.
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:59:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND the chance you're ACTUALLY ready for that relationship in a way that it'll be super healthy and fruitful? In this emotional economy where most of us can't even trade any meaningful thoughts because it makes everyone uncomfortable therefore never providing you with someone to confide in for complete emotional closure? Good luck, kid.
God I'm so sick of this joke it's like at least 5 years old already...they figure it out the same way you decide anything else either rock paper scissors or flipping a coin.
I was trying to think of a better way to word that since, you know, it doesnt actually melt.... best i got was "if you tilt your head back, it'll come into your mouth as soon as you stick your tongue out"... but that feels too on the nose
That's just when you need to work on yourself. Chances are, you aren't as big of a catch as you think you are. A couple years ago, I was wondering why I wasn't getting the guy. I was funny, i was smart, I was creative and rebellious and every guy's Manic Pixie Dream Girl TM- looking back, I was an awful person. Even just a couple months ago I was rude and mean and awful, but I'm working on it, and I'm already noticing that people are far more receptive.
TLDR: You're not the only person looking for smart, successful, funny, attractive, etc. Be what you're looking for and people will follow!
This is the thing I've always wondered, what are the chances that you will find the perfect partner, then what are the chances that they won't friendzone you, or that he'll actually like you.
I think this is the biggest point. I've met several successful, smart, funny, attractive, mentally stable, available women in just the last year, but not a single one of them wanted to be with me for various reasons. More and more I'm finding myself trying to figure out just what it is about me that isn't resonating with them but that's different story.
I have a fast armchair theory to throw out, as I think you have a twofold problem. First, it's probably just pretty rare in the first place. I dated a lot and I married a great gal but I got turned down plenty. I'm average looking, for whatever that's worth. Attraction plays a big early role, of course.
So, you don't know why it clicked with those ladies but there was most likely just a slightly more X guy around the girl preferred.
Also, dwelling on why you're not good enough for someone who rejects you doesn't seem wise to me. Like, you make some kick ass ribs but I wasn't in the mood for them tonight so I thought, "meh." You're just meh to some people.
The idea is you're available enough to meet the girl who is the sort you want to meet and also into you. I've never known someone to do that intentionally and I have known that to get out of a dry spell probably just starting a self-improving project and see if that doesn't get you out of your head enough to be open to it.
Certain single neurotic types online hate the stuff I'm saying. But it's one problem to be worried about why some woman didn't want to date you however long after the fact, and another problem all together to be bitter and angry about it. Or many orders of magnitude worse.
But both might be the same problem. If the lady you wanna meet is attractive enough (I mean this generally; not just looks), that's already a tough proposition you're the dude she's gonna want. She'll have options, don't care if that's not a PC thing to say.
So, shrug that shit off. There's nothing wrong with you. Obviously doing positive things with your time will help you overall moreso than negative, self-destructive things. Beyond that, I'm sure you're swell, your SO will come along soon enough, but acting angsty about that seems to repel women which makes perfect sense to me. For many reasons. "confidence" is an oversimplification. "Can handle life" is a desirable trait, though.
Very helpful, thank you! I'm sorry if I came off as angsty in my post, that was most definitely not my intention. It was more of a, "Man, I'm have a really hard time getting this mutual attraction thing going" but in no way am I angry or resentful. That said, I'm only human and I do sometimes get depressed about it.
You're right though; these women had options and I simply didn't make the cut - end of story. I am trying to get myself out there and self-improve here and there but I've got a lot going on with work and family so sometimes I definitely half-ass working on my social life. I think I'm pretty good at the "Can handle life" part, I think it's the "being attractive" part I'm having trouble with (and not physically I mean; I don't think I'm that good looking but many people have complimented me in that regard; 6', athletic build, well-groomed). I think it's because I'm a bit of an introvert, and more often than not I prefer to be alone and going outside my comfort zone is very, very hard for me. That said, I am working on it in different ways (one of which is by posting my thoughts on reddit, which, surprisingly, has been more positive than negative thanks to cool peeps like you!)
jert3 · 8 points · Posted at 02:13:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great points!
Yes it's women who choose the men, not the other way around. The best approach you can take is just improving yourself and being the best you that you can be.
I've had periods in my life with multiple great women throwing themselves at me as well as year(s) long periods of striking out, and everything in between. I was also the same but my circumstances where different.
Another important point I think: women really care about you but also who your friends are, what your social power is. Guys don't think the same way so this often isn't obvious to them. If you want to improve your attractiveness you would do well to get attractive friends, into a leadership or otherwise position of social power (for example your the funniest guy in your social circle and the guy who organizes the parties) or improving your income; the women will follow if either of these 3 paths are taken.
Really recommend "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" and a book on reading and recognizing body language, this is basically a secret weapon.
Me too... It's really hard to get that direct feedback hey. I can see in some of my friends clear things about them that would put people off, but I can't identify them in myself. I wish someone would just say to me, "November, here's two things you need to work on to be more attractive."
Have a steady job. No drugs or alcohol issues. Get clothes that fit well and are nice. Take care of them and yourself. Get your hair cut. Wear deodorant. Shower and change clothes every morning. Keep your car clean. House and surroundings neat and clean. Go to the gym and get a little muscle. If you do those things, your confidence in yourself and your life will increase and that's the attractive thing. Don't come on too strong.
Why would you think that? Someone that is able to take care of themselves and their surroundings and have a normal life might like to include another person and some children. I did that, got married to a really nice lady, and we have kids and then our house is busy but as clean as possible with kids, and my life was in good order beforehand and so things are really good even though children add a level of chaos.
I make breakfast for the family in the morning and my wife gets the kids ready for school. I give her a cup of coffee to take to the bus stop and when she comes back we eat breakfast together. Being normal and doing your best to be clean, kind, and considerate is a good thing.
Nick_pj · 1 points · Posted at 08:47:31 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s basically me, and it turns out most coworkers and acquaintances who don’t know me very well have just assumed I’m gay. On the plus side, I’m popular with the women at work and my girlfriend is convinced I’m a catch!
I had a patient, let’s call him ‘Henry’ for reasons that are to become clear, who came to hospital after being picked up for police for beating up his fifth wife.
So I asked the obvious question: “What happened to your first four wives?”
“Oh,” said the patient, “Domestic violence issues. Two of them left me. One of them I got put in jail, and she’d moved on once I got out. One I just grew tired of.”
“You’ve beaten up all five of your wives?” I asked in disbelief.
“Yeah,” he said, without sounding very apologetic.
“And why, exactly, were you beating your wife this time?” I asked.
“She was yelling at me, because I was cheating on her with one of my exes.”
“With your ex-wife? One of the ones you beat up?”
“Yeah.”
“So you beat up your wife, she left you, you married someone else, and then she came back and had an affair on the side with you?” I asked him.
“Yeah,” said Henry.
…
When I was younger – and I mean from teeanger hood all the way until about three years ago – I was a nice guy. In fact, I’m still a nice guy at heart, I just happen to mysteriously have picked up girlfriends. And I said the same thing as every other nice guy, which is “I am a nice guy, how come girls don’t like me?”
There seems to be some confusion about this, so let me explain what it means, to everyone, for all time.
It does not mean “I am nice in some important cosmic sense, therefore I am entitled to sex with whomever I want.”
It means: “I am a nicer guy than Henry.”
Or to spell it out very carefully, Henry clearly has no trouble with women. He has been married five times and had multiple extra-marital affairs and pre-marital partners, many of whom were well aware of his past domestic violence convictions and knew exactly what they were getting into. Meanwhile, here I was, twenty-five years old, never been on a date in my life, every time I ask someone out I get laughed at, I’m constantly teased and mocked for being a virgin and a nerd whom no one could ever love, starting to develop a serious neurosis about it.
And here I was, tried my best never to be mean to anyone, gave to charity, pursuing a productive career, worked hard to help all of my friends. I didn’t think I deserved to have the prettiest girl in school prostrate herself at my feet. But I did think I deserved to not be doing worse than Henry.
No, I didn’t know Henry at the time. But everyone knows a Henry. Most people know several. Even three years ago, I knew there were Henry-like people – your abusers, your rapists, your bullies – and it wasn’t hard to notice that none of them seemed to be having the crushing loneliness problem I was suffering from.
It's a start, it's defining the problem. Sooner or later you have to understand that the world isn't fair. The good thing is that it's not unfair either, it's just indifferent, there's lots of people who have good lives too.
I feel like do all that stuff hey. Give talks at conferences, have an awesome career, earn cash, got my life fairly sorted, nice friends, goals in life, creative, my own place (renting), smart. But also, I'm a chubby woman. So I can't help but think, yeah... All that other stuff probably doesn't mean shit because fat woman seems to equal a hell no from everyone. Also the last guy I had feelings for and was kinda seeing for six months, the reasons he gave were that he needs a non-career woman and someone to like, stay home and clean and look after the kids. So fucked up coming from someone like him who is so focused on his business. Anyway. /Rant
I'm so aware that my weight is what's stopping me from finding love. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that there has barely been a day for the last ten years when I haven't been super focused on wanting to lose weight. It's so fucking hard. Oh my god, it's so hard. Every diet I try, I fail at. So hard. I've done keto, low carb, slow carb, vegan, raw food, done Zumba, personal training, hiked 1000km, tried to change my life in so many ways, and it's just failure after failure. I don't know why. It's so hard, man. I know it being hard is no excuse. I know this is my fault. I know I've brought this on myself. But fuck is it hard. It's kind of annoying to hear people glibly say "just lose weight"! It's like - I have spent the last ten years failing at that. Right now I'm focusing on understanding stress and my DNA after getting sequenced and getting a really strong understanding of how my body works. Maybe this is going to be the key. Wish me luck. Thanks for the advice.
Start slow, work your way up. That's what I did for myself.
I'd say the hardest part is to make something routine. Once you do, it's super easy to maintain a routine without really thinking about it.
You don't need a crazy diet or anything. I'd probably recommend first to cut out all sugars. No Sodas, no candy, no Starbucks, etc.
This was super tough on me since I used to down a 12 pack of soda in 2-3 days. After you get used to it though, you don't really think about it. Saves money only getting water at restaurants as well.
Next cut down or out on carbs, as those turn into sugars, and sugar holds literally zero value in your body.
For exercise, I'd recommend two directions. Either high intensity interval training (like sprints for example) as it doesn't take much time and you can fit in into your daily routine super easy, or just straight long distance running.
Just follow the basic principle of using more calories than you intake, you'll drop weight. Cardio drops weight good but also reduces muscle mass, so bodybuilders usually do HIIT to maintain it, however I don't think that's your focus so you can freely pick between the two in my opinion.
Like I stated, it really is hard to build that routine, but once you do, it'll be ezpz.
If you have any questions or if I can be of help feel free to hit me up, hope everything works out for you.
jert3 · 2 points · Posted at 02:07:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately no one is that honest :) Vast majority, vast vast majority of folks would elect the easier route of just not saying anything on the topic and get out of there before ever wanting to tell you something you don't want to hear.
jert3 · 5 points · Posted at 02:06:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It certainly isn't easy. And guess what? It only gets more difficult every year as well. Sorry if that's a depressing thought but wanted to warn you in case you are younger.
Oh no worries; I'm in my early 30s so still young but not young. It definitely gets harder every year, and every year what hope I have left slowly goes down the drain. At some point I might have to accept that I simply won't ever find someone.
Meh, he’s got most those boxes checked. I’m ok with that. If my partner was mentally stable, they wouldn’t be able to understand my extreme lack of stability.
I mean, I'm dating mine, so he's not single, right? Is that still a requirement?
(He meets my expectations in all the categories listed, honestly. He's only slightly behind me in commitment, and better than me in the other categories.)
-Mania- · 10 points · Posted at 01:54:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe he described the single market than people already in relationships. As they say, the best ones are already taken.
[deleted] · 67 points · Posted at 19:02:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 23:22:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yep the only women who want me are women I am not attracted to, but they find me funny and they figure that is about as good as they can do.
Think about all those things you mentioned, are you all of those things? Statistically, probably not. So now you think about all those things actually being in another person, why would they Wana be with someone who isn't on their level? Gotta comprise on this list, some one of you will be, some the other, and some of it you will both have.
as a single person looking for a mate, i find this post very disheartening. :(
fx32 · 7 points · Posted at 08:53:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You just have to pick the 2-3 things you find most important. I'd say go for similar intelligence and demeanor to yourself.
On the first date, imagine a crisis, like being stuck in an elevator for a few hours. Try to picture whether this is the kind of person that would make that situation better, or worse. Optimistic/talkative/funny but unemployed would work better for me than attractive but a bit spoiled for example.
I dated and had fun until I was 36 before I settled down. Don't fret. Just keep yourself in good shape, do your best, and when you break up with someone do it nicely and on good terms. You never know when they will set you up with their friend that might be a good fit. (happened to me).
Dom4s · 12 points · Posted at 21:37:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
caYabo · 11 points · Posted at 05:31:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The single part is the real kicker here. Why? Because someone who isn't an idiot recognized all those qualities in them and treated them right/committed to them already. Protip: That single chick you met in the bar the other night is just like you... Not perfect
miauw62 · 20 points · Posted at 23:44:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
i like to think im single enough to make up for the other items.
erbw22 · 13 points · Posted at 21:01:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Key word : ready for commitment. Impossible to find.
I mean. They're everywhere, but just either the wrong gender, or I'm not their type.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 22:59:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have never asked for successful. Smart, funny, somewhat attractive, mentally stable seem like decent criteria. Then again, I have just given up about 2 years ago and do not see pursuit of this sort of happiness again.
e3super · 1 points · Posted at 06:14:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Forget about mentally stable and all sorts of options open up.
I mean the cards are not overwhelmingly stacked against you. +9" dick is crazy talk anyway. Depends on how old you are the commitment and salary aren't exactly deal breaker. You'd be surprised how far you can go by being funny and tall.
I (apparently) had all but successful and mentally stable when I started my relationship with my wife.
I personally thought that I only had smart (as in, superior in knowledge and reasoning in at least one aspect of thought to at least half the people I met. Read: 'average') and the ready for commitment and single parts.
It's going to be hard having this marriage started from two unsuccessful, (relatively) mentally unstable souls, with immigration to factor in to boot, but at least we are both attracted to each other.
I found one and he's everything but the last :( damn you Jebus!!!
browsit · 4 points · Posted at 00:35:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I consider myself extremely lucky to have been successful with finding all of those in a mate. Extremely lucky, and I still met at least 200 people in the process of looking.
Stubev · 9 points · Posted at 20:25:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is explained statistically in a book called "The Science of Happily Ever After" by Ty Tashiro. He breaks down the "lists" of things people want from a mate and essentially says you get "3 wishes" from your list and anything beyond that is statistically outside of the realm of reasonable expectation. The second chapter offers percentages that fit some of the things you mention. For example, only 10% of the population is "attractive", 14% are "bright" (above average intelligence), 30% make $60k (and smaller proportions make more than that). Once people start throwing in things like height, hair color, politics, and hobbies in common, they put themselves into a tiny window of success. I strongly recommend the book.
All that being said, I won the lottery with my husband. I actually had a list of qualities that I shared with him when we were friends and he hit 6 out of 10 strongly and later hit 2 more as he changed his interests. The last 2 were pretty trivial shared interests and didn't even matter that much to me even at the time.
That is interesting. Having not read that book, I can only hope and assume that what is also complicated (in my belief) with these statistics is that so many of them would not only be reductive, but also potentially exclusive to each other.
The idea that a person (for instance) would be able to be both pure and innocent as well as demure and sexy. Not to say that this combination can not occur, but it would seem that one trait would likely be removed by the other. Or another example might be that a person be both carefree and unpredictable while still being responsible and stable. These concepts seem to represents two ends of a spectrum that you, at best, might find someone suitable in the middle of; with the ability to move freely to and from either side of.
So often I have observed men and women both, who are single, who pine for a partner that meets their needs, but who hold onto standards and expectations that (as you and Tashiro say) statistically eliminate any mate. And so they remain single.
Your story, which I find interesting, is one where you had found someone who hit several but not all of your favored qualities. Were one or two of those first six qualities something that many men already had? Low-hanging fruit so to say. Did you end up only having three or four actual wishes in that list of six?
Because in the end, you took a risky leap of faith that of your ten, at least two were trivial, at least two were dynamic (they changed over time), and I'd suspect that at least two were traits that weren't extremely specific, like he has a good job or he knows how to drive a car; traits that a very large percentage of men are already socially striving towards anyway.
Because what it seems to me is that you (and many other's who have replied to this comment of mine) have done, is not so much "won the lottery" as you have just "focused on the most important distinct qualities" and let the other qualities fall into their proper place.
You love the individual, love their principal qualities, accept the many many other qualities, and just enjoy them as a whole. Congrats!
I still have the actual list (even though it was 31 years ago). It was in order of desirability:
1&2: intelligence and honesty (Both had to be there)
My husbands IQ is 150 and the "honesty" I got and wanted was not lying to me about anything and included being candid about feelings and problems, ever. I am told "everybody lies," but my husband and I do not lie to each other, even about piddly crap. I think that was a tall order, especially because folded into "honesty" was authenticity and the capacity to talk about things most people wanted to sweep under the rug. He's uncommonly emotionally available.
3: Attentive. I don’t mean being showered with gifts, but somebody who is going to listen to me when I have something important to say. My experience continues to be that this is rare in both genders.
4: Ambitious or motivated and not in terms of money, status, or fame. I wanted someone who embraced a constant state of personal growth/self-actualizing. This was also a taller order than someone who wanted to make a lot of money (lots of those out there) or get a job which had social cache.
5: Being open-minded beyond the norm
6: gregarious - not going out and partying, but being social
7: educated (husband has a Master's now, had a Bachelor's when I met him)
And, from there, they got smaller: 8: doesn’t smoke. 9: somebody who’s into psychology 10: somebody who reads Vonnegut or liked the music I liked then (which I changed tastes about) 11: physical attributes I preferred (hairy, meaty, but not muscled, "Jewish-looking")
I don't think I wanted things most people have, but I can say that these things were nearly all beyond the capacity of nearly every available man I grew up near to deliver on, especially the first two which I would not do without. Of these 11 things, my husband only lacks #10 now, and, even then (31 years ago), only lacked 9 and 10 (it's the only one that changed). I considered anything after 6 to be gravy.
I guess you can judge for yourself if I was not so much lucky or whatnot.
See in your particular example it seems like not very much of your list inherently contradicts itself per se:
Educated, intelligent, driven. These traits don't always go hand in hand, but if you wanted to cast your nets where these fish are, you can easily go to a college campus and find a lot of these guys too choose from.
Open-minded and gregarious (as opposed to closed-off, negative and stubborn). Nothing mutually exclusive there.
Honesty. I understand what you mean here because my ex-wife was one of a very few truly honest people. I used to tell me people that there was never any dissonance between what she said and what she thought or felt. She was exactly what she appeared to be and nothing more. Actually that was quite boring.
But you're talking about is more about intimacy than simple honesty (I think). The ability to openly and honestly share everything from his current emotional state, to his dissatisfaction over the TV show you're watching. Out of curiosity, let me ask you this: what would you think if he suddenly blurted out that he found a woman at the supermarket attractive?
What I like about your list (on top of not being particularly contradictory) is that your main points are all things that are character traits; static, non-changing traits that he has probably started and will end his life exhibiting.
The rest of your list (the gravy as you call it), are all things that are dynamic, and may come into or out of his life. He may someday learn about psychology, read Vonegut, or even start to appreciate the same music that you do.
The key is that you (and I think most people who are actually in relationships and not waiting for their list to be fulfilled) focused on the deeper him and didn't read into the superficial, ever-changing traits like looks, or car, or even interests. Because those things change and grow whereas the deep-down type of person he is will not.
It's partially luck; but give yourself credit for knowing which lottery ticket to "shop for". :)
This is either making me feel really good about myself, or it is making me wonder what is wrong with me. Probably both, depending on which me wakes up in the morning (really hoping it isn't that other asshole in my head).
Or the alternative is that you can find it but not in the way you thought it would be. The projection I had in my mind of the person I would be spending my life with is quite different than the actual person I am spending my life with.
The only way I see it as justified is if they're already making decent money at it and want to make more but can't unless they go full time. This requires already having a following so it would lessen the risk quite a bit.
I know quite a few channels that were moderately successful back when CoD commentaries were the hot thing back in MW2. Some of them went "YouTube pro" and quit their successful jobs. They spiraled quickly where they were posting 3-4 videos a day, often of complete garbage, just to get views. None of them seem to actively make videos anymore. I went back and checked on one a few days ago. He's down to 1 video every 3 days and it's mostly just Vlogs with his kids.
But I will always remember this one quote from Wings of redemption (arguably the most popular CoD streamer back then). Someone asked him what we would do if YouTube stopped supporting him. His reply was that he'd never have to go back to a real job after YouTube because he could go in to promoting.
God I miss those days, the Whiteboy7thst before he sold out, woody, WoR, zzirGrizz, all these awesome montages. Nowadays it seems almost every person is in it for the money, to find someone just passionate about gaming is tough
Shit, those were the days. Actual quality helpful videos epically from Woody, now it's just bullshit content filler blah blah smash this button, smash that button.
Exactly. I don't even enjoy watching gamers anymore, the ONLY people i'll watch is Speedyw03, sidearms4reason and there crew. They're atleast funny geniune people, and dont beg for likes and subs every second of the video
janga8 · 9 points · Posted at 04:24:08 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sovietwomble too
wolflie · 2 points · Posted at 11:19:26 on February 19, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm stuck with "yippee kay yay mr falcon" (the one that also goes on gameranx) his voice is very plaesant and seems like a genuine guy
I haven't watched Woody in probably 5 years. Not since he "went pro" and started uploading garbage constantly. I still remember the video that made me quite watching him. He put a glowstick in the microwave and filmed it. At that point I realized his channel would never be the same, he was going to make junk videos just to inflate his view counts and get paid.
I remember that video! It was honestly the major turning point of his channel. It's sad cause he was just a good, informative, calm guy. Things change when money's involved
I am sad I forgot! I think i'm gonna start my morning by going back and watching some old videos. Back to when gaming videos were for gaming not cash grabs
That's how my 23 year old neckbeard cousin is going to make his money. On a satellite internet connection because his dumbass mother moved them out to the middle of nowhere.
Yeah you have to have an actual personality for that to work. Source: I like to stream, but I’m also boring so I mostly just have a couple of friends that watch and hang out.
Gaming is a particularly difficult genre to get an audience for. There's millions upon millions of gaming videos and channels, and many of them have either some kind of hook (a grandma, a guy and his mom, an animator and a singer, etc), really high production values, really engaging content or any combination of those.
The guy who works at the sandwich shop in one of our buildings was saying the same thing. I think he's in school for Physical Therapy or something but that's not his passion. He's going to focus on his gaming and streaming. I wished him success and asked if he had a link to his stuff. Well... he hasn't actually started yet, but he's coming up with ideas.
After all of the replies the past few days I sent him a text like "hey man! Do you have a stream I can watch? I used to enjoy watching you wreck shit up on rainbow six" (because we used to go to his place after work and smoke grass and I truly enjoyed watching him own people).
He never text me back. And that's as tenous a relationship I wish to have with this guy. So I guess it never took off.. otherwise he would have definitely advertised it to me..
22 hearts. 336 eyeballs (views?) And no videos lol.. he had two overwatch videos titled path to platinum.. maybe a month ago. So seemingly not successful
I am actually surprised at how many people CAN make a living on Youtube. It is almost an alien concept for a person who grew up watching skateboard fails on original YT.
ri-ri · 454 points · Posted at 19:11:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A few of my friends from elementary are now full time you tubers. I am actually so surprised they made it big! Literally just food challenges (i.e. cinnamon challenge, pizza challenge, mcdonalds challenge...) have been their sole source of income, and they're loaded.
I was watching shroud the other day and he was talking about this, his twitch became massive super quick like 35k subs at one point. But he was like what happens when people no longer want to watch me or I can't stream anymore. How long is it gonna last, 2 years? 10 years? Seems like he has a finical advisor and is investing his money though which is nice.
Remember somebody online taking about meeting him before he was streaming and was still playing CS:GO for C9. Apparently he mentioned the same thing about playing pro, he didn't know how long it would last or what he would have to do next. I think the guy is just a financially responsible guy which is good to hear.
I have watched a lot of streamers. Most of them seem to live on pretty low day to day expenses. When you play video games most of the week your biggest expense is probably going to be ordering food every day.
I mean, it kind of makes sense that someone who's really skilled at evaluating risk and predicting what's likely to happen in video games would also think the same way about financial planning.
The theory behind that is that a lot of them grow up in homes with little financial stability and they're just not used to money. When they suddenly get handed millions of dollars they just go crazy.
That doesn’t really hold up in the NBA, people with a poor background are way underrepresented and have been since the 80’s. I think it’s as simple as most young adults are bad with money and most pro careers are only a few years long, average career length in the NBA is 5 years and I think around 3-4 in the NFL and those are both being dragged up by the veterans that have established themselves in their respective leagues.
A lot of that are the lower tier players though who make bad lifestyle choices.
Like, if you're on a 6th rounder's rookie contract, your ass needs to be in a reasonably priced apartment that's close to the practice facility, and you should be driving a civic. You should not be buying a $400,000 home and a mercedes.
True that. But just how big would your mistakes have to be to mess up if you were getting paid professional sports stars wages!
Bit then as you say stiff would probably het bigger, instead of wasting £100 you would waste a grand etc
Yeah, that's exactly the point: Think of it as taking risk as a percentage of your wealth, as opposed to basing it on the raw numbers.
Someone who risks 1% of their income is going to be fine, as long as they aren't living dollar to dollar. Someone who risks 10% might be ok if they manage it wisely.
But someone who risks 90% of their wealth on a stupid idea is very probably going to get burned regardless of how rich they are. The major difference is that the remaining 10% can be enough for you to rebuild afterwards if it is large enough.
See I get that completely and that's how I would look at it, percentage. But the average wage for a premiership footballer (UK) is 50k/week so even after wasting 90% they're still taking home 5k a week! So they could waste all that money and still be comfortable. There's stories of 20 year old driving Bentleys to training and stuff. Outrageous money
Yeah, I agree with you there. There's also the case that it's practically impossible to go broke once you exceed a certain level of wealth, as long as you did a minimum of financial planning.
The Walton family (the heirs to Walmart), for example, could piss away every cent that they own right now and burn down all of their stores: The interest on their stocks alone would make them millionaires again by tomorrow.
And that's the mentality of these athletes that blow all their money. Lifestyle inflation coupled with a relatively short career shelf-life and no fall back plan leave many of them broke within a few years of leaving the sport.
And they still party and ball like they're still earning the money they used to.
So in the UK football is obviously the biggest money maker and players careers ate much longer than American football athletes. Players can be on a clubs books from 5/6 years old (obviously not getting paid at that age, but as soon as theyre 16 they are eligible for a professional contract) and stay there for 20 years. A professional football career of ten to 15 years isn't uncommon, whereas American football is more like 5 I believe.l?
Yeah, that sounds about right. They also take quite a few blows to the head, fuck up their knees, and generally beat the hell out of their bodies. UK footballers and baseball and basketball players are generally better off long-term both physically and financially. It sure doesn't stop some of them from blowing through their millions though. Mo money mo problems I guess.
"if I sell it straight away I'll get nearly as much as what I paid for it!"
netmier · 1 points · Posted at 23:29:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Only the stars get “made for life money” the guys on the bench or filling out NFL rosters make good money, but not live the rest of your life in comfort money. Especially considering the crazy medical bills they’ll have the rest of their lives.
That’s why more and more athletes focus on being media savvy. Hell, you see guys commenting on games after their season is over, not even their career. They’re getting screen time early and showing ESPN (since they’re the only game in town now) that they can do the job well. You might make a couple million your entire career to live on for 30-50 years and that’s assuming you save most of it. Makes sense to have the only job you’re qualified for: talking about the sport you used to play.
sudoku7 · 1 points · Posted at 01:52:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think part of the problem is you aren't going to continue earning those millions as you continue, unlike more traditional career/salary paths. After 10 years you're going to be looking at starting at entry level again, which can be harsh if you didn't aggressively plan for your early retirement.
Many pro athletes come from impoverished families and communities so when they make it "big" they have dozens of people asking for money. Of course, most pro athletes have a short career, so the money doesn't last long as they can't say no to friends and family.
I know, and I don't really fault them. Financial management is a skill like any other, and one that these kids rarely have a chance to learn before they're mobbed by friends or predatory advisors
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:04:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A twitch streamer I watch asked the same question. He lived below his means for years, and is now a landlord for a few houses with plans on growing that investment. It’s good to see streamers/content providers being responsible and not squandering the amazing chance they’ve been given.
[deleted] · 25 points · Posted at 20:36:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is the question that always pops into my mind.
Think about TV shows: how long does the average TV show last? Not very long. (TV is only a rough analogy, because generally shows have rising production costs with each ensuing season as cast members start to demand higher salaries.) What about bands/artists? How many artists stay relevant for only a handful of years?
It's not like once you "make it" you're set for life and have this as a career forever. Unless you make it really big -- like, accumulate hundreds of thousands of dollars from -- I don't think making a passable income is really worth it. The streamers that explode and making insane amounts are enviable, but I think the ones that barely scrap buy don't have enviable futures.
funbob1 · 42 points · Posted at 21:26:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Running a business, technically.
[deleted] · 35 points · Posted at 22:54:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup. Self employment goes on your resume.
Kyleeee · 63 points · Posted at 20:47:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Absolutely. Someone like Shroud would have ZERO problems finding another career, especially today. I'm sure that dude has tons of valuable experience dealing with e-sports/PR etc. etc.
Zero problems? I think you're exaggerating at least a little.
Kyleeee · 14 points · Posted at 00:16:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not even in the slightest. If you're at all familiar with that sector, or entertainment/gaming sectors in general - you'd know people would be begging for him to work for them. I'm sure he'd be a shoo-in working for just about anything involving e-sports right off the bat.
E-sports isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future and Twitch just keeps getting more and more popular. He might not be streaming forever, but someone like him would have more then enough connections to get him a good job. In an industry like that, networking is 75% of the battle.
Freelance Digital Entertainment Producer- I was a first mover during a paradigm shift in the entertainment industry, creating grassroots material for [number of subscribers] out of a market of [daily twitch viewers]. I would produce [number of streaming hours] of video content per day, earning on average [daily takings].
“I took advantage of a market trend and became a very successful online entrepreneur with a worldwide following of my brand consisting of X follower, averaging Y views per video. The market sentiment has now changed and the opportunity is no longer viable, so I have moved onto bigger and better things. When can I start?”
If you can't turn "tens of thousands of people turned up just to hear me speak/watch me play video games" into a positive point, I don't think you'd have the wherewithal to get YouTube famous to begin with.
cptjeff · 17 points · Posted at 21:23:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just set yourself up as the founder of an LLC "producing and marketing original video content" or somesuch. Doesn't take that much paperwork.
Most companies would love to hire someone who could grow a user base like that as a community marketing specialist, especially if it's close to the field that they originally got famous in.
Oidoy · 1 points · Posted at 05:10:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You say you were running your own business as an internet personality, selling merch, engaging in Facebook, twitter, going to events and doing sponsorship deals
It really depends on how invested and how much you pushed yourself. I've watched small and large youtubers and I think the thing that stands out is how they try to push their channel into being something more, or when they mention they are learning more about the behind the scenes stuff. Learning about cameras and editing and mics. Or maybe pushing to daily vlog or expanding the type of things they do. Or you have types like Kelly Eden where it may not be their main source of income, and it's less about the technical aspect and more about capturing the plethora of interests she has: modeling, painting, cosplay, makeup, fandoms, lifestyle(tattoos, unboxings, vlogs, fitness, mental health). It just ends up aiding in capturing what you have done and can do. A resume in and of itself. It may have not been what is traditionally viewed as a job, it was much like those "I took a year off before/after college and traveled and learned about things". Did you actually invest yourself into those hobbies. Were you dedicated or were you just "there".
What blows my mind is they all decide to move to LA for some reason. LA, where rent for a studio apartment is in the 1000’s.
You can literally stream from anywhere in the world. Are they trying to become legit celebrities? I understand making appearances and shit but got damn, that rent is not worth it for just being s E-List Celebrity.
Well if you think about it shroud is making a minimum of 60k a month from subs alone, then add donations, ad revenue, sponsors and his paid to play sessions he can easily afford to live there. Plus I believe his girlfriend has a job there but not too sure.
I was a big youtube fan for years and the key, as with anything, is getting connections. People rise to popularity by collaborating with more popular youtubers, and being on top of the game. Being in a city where all the other creators are and going to social events can be a big help.
Oidoy · 0 points · Posted at 05:12:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ehm a lot move to texas for tax reasons or wherever they were originally? Whos in LA other than ice, who needs the city for content
axllin · 2 points · Posted at 00:03:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That makes me really glad to hear. He seems like such a genuinely nice guy. Glad he's planning for the future too.
Remember that the streamer only gets part of the $5 subscription cost. If I recall, smaller streamers get $1.50 or $2, while bigger ones get $2.50 or sometimes $3 if they have some agreement with twitch. Likely a contract to only put their content on twitch.
I have a similar thing, I'm just not bigger yet. I've been experiencing fast growth on twitch, and my friends have asked me if I would make a career out of it or not. I always tell them it would be a short term thing, that I would finish college and make sure I was employable when that inevitable day hits where I'm not relevant anymore.
summit made shroud without summits push shroud wouldve crashed and burned especially because he is boring AF, when pubg gets old, ( and its happening fast) shroud will be yesterdays news.
You maybe right I don't pay much attention to how streamers become famous. But shroud is now at the point he doesn't need to play pubg, I've seen him play monopoly while holding a 25k viewer count. Pretty sure he's also surpassed summit in terms of subs and I believe followers too now.
A lot of the original YouTubers that are still around have set businesses up around it so they don't completely depend on AdSense, and a lot of advertisers will come to them directly for much bigger $$. A good/bad example is rooster teeth, small company became pretty massive, multichannels, but has built other sources of income to support them selves.
Plus advertisers love the main demographic, tweens/teens/millennials? People that don't watch traditional tv? Hell yeah.
Source: have been watching YouTube since before Google owned it.
JGar453 · 38 points · Posted at 20:09:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How hard we’re they hit by the adpocalypse of 2017? Because if you didn’t make family friendly content or if you weren’t Logan Paul you didn’t get money.
bp92009 · 53 points · Posted at 20:15:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of small creators took to patreon to weather the storm and found they like it better. The Jimquisition and The Great War were 2 that got hit big but swapped to mostly patreon and are doing reasonably well.
I've also gone to YouTube Red, as it means no ads personally, and you are worth 3-4x as much to a channel as a single person who watches an entire ad (and doesn't skip), so that benefits them more.
bp92009 · 5 points · Posted at 22:34:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
On mobile? Yes, very much so. If I use my official app, it doesnt count against the data plan. I had ublock at home
eazolan · 2 points · Posted at 03:20:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ad blocker blocks them.
However, if you actually like content producers, you'll watch the ads.
Shodan_ · 2 points · Posted at 00:16:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jimquisition did not get hit because the videos were not monetized. I am not sure about other videos on the channel but the Monday show was 'free' unless content claimed
bp92009 · 2 points · Posted at 00:44:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, you are correct but the other videos certainly got hit. The deadlock he invented only cemented the problems he had with them (showing the entertaining lengths that were taken to ensure that if he couldn't get paid for it, nobody could). It was a decent revenue stream in the past.
It still makes me laugh that "Content ID Deadlock" actually works.
It is the pettiest thing he could possibly have done given the situation, and it was still the right decision.
I dream of a world where advertisements are dead and there's as few middle men skimming money from the creators I love as possible. Genuinely. I don't have tv but my patreon bill every month is as high as a cable channel just so I can support the people who make things I love and enjoy everyday. It's everything from high earning YouTubers to bloggers with almost no followers and I can cancel whenever I want!
The arts & culture landscape in the 14-1500's demonstrated that without middle men very few actually make it big because the middle men basically find efficiencies to reduce search costs so art would only be created once an artist had established a patron, otherwise art would not be created at all.
However, AI's and websites like Patreon might end up reducing search costs to make this feasible within our lifetime.
I read an interesting book where artists were supported without advertisement, it was written a super long time ago but was very good and also basically predicted credit cards. It's called Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy I think
It's like buying books even though I could probably find an epub somewhere: I like the content and I want the author to keep producing it. They won't do that unless they're financially stable enough to do so.
It's in my best interest to support them if I want to keep enjoying their content.
Maybe people like supporting those who are providing them with entertainment. Odd concept I know.
bp92009 · 44 points · Posted at 20:36:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why? Its not a lot, allows them to go full time, do more videos and of higher quality.
If they stop doing what I like, I stop supporting. I'm not watching ads, but $5 a month for at least a couple hours a month of original content? No different than a newspaper
Is there a one-off donation option on patreon or just subscription?
bp92009 · 1 points · Posted at 22:37:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty sure there is, but if not, there's PayPal (how most groups operated like this before patreon, but MUCH more unreliable in terms of donations), or just cancel after the first month.
Its the only way youtubers make a living. The revenue youtubers make from youtube never really justify the cost. They all do external sponsors, merchandise sales, etc.
[deleted] · 27 points · Posted at 19:45:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Literally just food challenges (i.e. cinnamon challenge, pizza challenge, mcdonalds challenge...) have been their sole source of income, and they're loaded.
Do they have other plans to expand? Sure there is a lot of foods out there, but there must be an alternative, or a plan B for your livelihood especially for something that is not too established like being a YT star.
It’s because most of the top channels are putting out the same few types of videos over and over with the same types of clickbait titles. Kids are bored and gullible so it works. Most of the “content” is utter trash/nonsense.
Aanon89 · 2 points · Posted at 19:56:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So how long was their hospital visit for the tide pod challenge? /s
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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ri-ri · 1 points · Posted at 16:49:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Loaded as in they drive Benz's and own homes that are 500K +. No other income other than youtube, and they travel a LOT... I wouldn't ever ask them how much they make (because thats rude) but I know they flaunt it
A lot of "successful" YouTubers don't make their income primarily off of YouTube. YouTube's ad money is actually pretty... Eh. Not enough to make a living on. Here's a good CGPGrey video on the ad-related-pay part of the subject. The majority of income comes from extra things the YouTuber uses their install YouTube base for, things like asking them to become Patrons on Patreon, merchandise, non-Google ad deals (most often advertising for services SquareSpace, Blue Apron, etc), streams/donations, and podcasts.
rebuked · 24 points · Posted at 23:12:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
YouTube's ad money is actually pretty... Eh. Not enough to make a living on.
Go tell that to Ricegum, a person who made $60k from AdSense alone in a bad month back in 2017.
Well, sure, you have people like Ricegum who're the exception. There are way more YouTubers though, who even have hundreds of thousands of subs, who a lot of people "have never heard of" and can't sustain themselves on YouTube alone - especially with how volatile the nature of demonetization, especially for mid-to-small creators who still happen to be partners and make revenue off YouTube.
DjaroYT · 4 points · Posted at 06:44:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ricegum is in the top 0.01%
kilo73 · 3 points · Posted at 00:27:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeas, but they wouldnt have the reach of people seeing or purchasing their products without the YouTube fan base, so they are clearly using YouTube to be successful.
Well, yeah, they're still YouTubers, but it's not a living sustained entirely through YouTube. YouTube is just the advertising platform essentially (depends on the creator if it's the larger creative outlet).
jobunzy · 37 points · Posted at 20:11:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, you mean that site where Eric Bauman stole content from other websites and put his watermark on everything he could so he could make tons of ad revenue without making anything himself or even giving proper credit?
Bah. YTMND and Newgrounds and Albinoblacksheep were far from perfect, but anything's better than the cesspool of Ebaum's...
I actually never went there, from what I remember...I was mostly thinking pre-Google purchase YouTube. It took me awhile to realize it was the same site, since I didn't intentionally go there, Google just usually didm
You mean stupidvideos? The good old days, where you would wait for a video to buffer on your schools fancy t1 connection to watch in 240p. I remember downloading programs on T1 at school just marveling hitting like 200kBps, where at home I was getting maybe 5 on my 56k
YouTuber here. I'll admit I make shitty videos, but I still get plenty of views, thus never having to work a full time job again. People are so entertained by dumb shit nowadays, so my advice is to just upload anything you find interesting. Do it daily. Views add up, subs add up, and then income adds up. It took a few years, but I fluctuate between $4-10k/month on top of promos. We live in a day and age where money is out there, but you just have to...think stupid. Seriously, think of some stupid shit, and roll with it. People get off on that.
Edit: the income allows me not work a full-time job, though I do still work on the side knowing this gig isn't forever.
In a way, I get off easy since I started the channel with a friend who likes to take over the editing. I just show up and do what I do in front of the camera, and my buddy works his magic. I'm no good with editing. The videos aren't that long, though.
I had a feeling this was HiddenReaction when I saw your username. I remember seeing your "(insert type of guy) vs (insert type of guy)" videos back in the day and been subbed since then.
It's true though. People eat up the stupid stuff now. The mind numbing stuff is what people seem to binge, like those vine compilations.
No offense taken, but...uh, no. I enjoy doing them because I find them fun. I know to the general public they may be stupid, but it is what it is. I make a decent amount of money, and I worked for it and invest it. I don't equate a meaningful job to a meaningful life. A lot of people work full time jobs they hate just to get by. I'm at least working a job I enjoy doing. Before this I was working a physical labor job making $33.50 an hour. More money didn't make me more happy; it actually made me depressed. When shit ultimately hits the fan and I stop making my income from YouTube, I've acquired enough skills over the years to start up a new career. I was thinking personal training, since I'm certified and already do it on the side.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:29:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was making that kind of money at my old job, I was working 12 hours a day, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. I was tired all the time, and for 2 weeks out of the month, I had no time for friends or family. Now I dedicate around 8 hours a week towards a couple of videos, and I'm set. Now I have time to spend bettering myself by acquiring new skills all the time. I'm able to network and advance through new opportunities, and better yet, I'm always available for the ones I love the most. My balance was lost before I had this opportunity. Maybe I would've found it somewhere down the road if this YouTube gig wasn't a thing, but it is, and I'm grateful. I don't regret it and I don't care how people view me. This is an amazing opportunity and has turned my life around completely.
It's fine. Of course personalities are bound to change depending on the social occasion. Yes, I do play somewhat of a character. I'm more cocky and "ditzy" compared to how I am off camera. Most people on YouTube are, and I think it's totally fine when you have a channel like mine-which, as you said, does try to cater to the younger and more easily entertained audience. It makes sense; why try to make money off something you know isn't going to sell. Is it a cheap tactic? Sure. But does it work? Absolutely, and that's what matters. As for the depression...that came with just working pay check to pay check, and having to worry about if I was going to be able to get an extension on my next bill. I had some time for myself, but I knew the way I was living wasn't right. It just wasn't the way people were supposed to live. Fast forward to my most recent job that I acquired through some networking. I had the money, and I had some time, but for the first time in a while, I didn't care about all the money I was making. I wanted to find a job I was actually happy to go to. One I wouldn't have go drive 2 hour to get to. I wanted to work for myself and have a nice combination of both time, money, and happiness. Not one or the other. Depression isn't straight forward, and I can't just lay out on the table the reasoning behind a, b, and c. All I know is I'm happy, and I'm making the kind of living I want to make.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 23:07:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If everybody thought like that, there would be nowhere for people to turn for mindless stupid entertainment. Not everybody wants to go on Youtube and get an education, but, if they wanted to, there's lots of informative channels to choose from. We need all types of channels on Youtube for it to be really great, not just educational and self help videos. If there's one sector of Youtube that doesn't have content, someone needs to get on that immediately (if they want to earn good income from a neglected and starving audience). In that way, there can be videos for everyone, not just eggheads.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 13:56:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've watched all of Rick & Morty and it's great, but, it's not for everyone, and there's only so many episodes, and not everyone wants to make shows about science (or science fiction). This idea that channels should be destroyed and turned into something else is bad for business. If there weren't dumb channels, people would just turn to TV or some other website, like Vimeo or Twitch, or something else. Some people have hard lives, and when they have free time away from kids and work and school, and they just want to relax and take their mind away, with something stupid. And, if they don't want to watch it, then the channel won't continue much longer without any views; until someone does it better. This idea that dumb things can't exist is far worse than the dumb things themselves. Who are you to decide what can and can't exist? You're stifling creativity whether you realize it or not; if you had your way, we wouldn't have things like Seinfeld, or Beavis & Butthead; oftentimes, comedy is just stupid, and doesn't need a plot, it's just a bunch of jokes, and that's what entertainment is. If somebody feels inclined to teach some moral lesson, they can do that, but, to forcefully make people make videos that they don't want is just crazy and overstepping your boundaries, like some nazi or something.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:49:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a newborn baby, and I want to watch flashing colors; I'm a dog watching while the owner is away, so, I can see and hear a happy smiling face; I'm getting a root canal, and I need something to calm me down while the anesthesia kicks in; I'm a person with mental problems and just want to see another human, or, I'm a human person and am attracted to the person on camera and like the sound of their voice; I live in a situation where I can't get out and and can't see things like Hydraulic Presses, personalities, memes, dash cam footage, game levels, etc. in real life. These people deserve their entertainment just like anyone else.
And, it doesn't hurt you that it exists. I don't care about Football, but, you don't hear me complaining about channels on Youtube that cater to that audience. I don't even know those videos exist, because Youtube doesn't suggest videos to me for videos I'm not interested in. Besides that, the bottom of the pile videos, if they're so bad, nobody will ever watch them, because Youtube won't promote them. They only exist if you search them out.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 02:03:58 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
His videos specifically, if he's happy with the content, the income and views, subscribers, and watch time and like to dislike ratio he's getting, then, I don't see what the problem is. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 08:10:44 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
You said it yourself; "it's easy money and follows the trends so there's no creative merit." Nobody on Earth is going to intentionally choose to get paid less money for more work. We aren't talking about snuff films here, or, hitman work, just dumb videos. Unless there's a better alternative, there's no logical reason for this person to change his format. I can tell you don't likely know much about Youtube (as a creator), but, I do, and I'll tell you, the fastest way to lose all of your subscribers and start living on a park bench or in a box, pennyless, is to suddenly change the content of your channel. Those people subscribed to your channel for a reason, and if you're not going to provide it for them, they won't be happy, and will move on.
If someone is going to focus on one thing and then wants to do something else, the best thing to do is to start a new Youtube channel for it, and try to grow that from the ground up. If it's a good idea it will be easy, but, if it's not what people want to watch, the channel will fail; but, it's fine since your not risking messing up the successful channel, you've spent time and worked on and grown over time. Your advice would literally destroy his channel.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:25:00 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
"how can you tell that?" because it sounds like the kind of thinking someone would do who doesn't understand how Youtube works. Or, is purposefully just trolling to be a dick. I've got over 10k videos on my channel, and, one of the fastest growing channels on Youtube, because I have a strategy that works and spend my time learning as much about Youtube as I can. Not from some talent, or, a pretty face, or dumb luck, but, by studying how Youtube works, and finding my place in it, and continually constantly improving things, and learning, and studying analytics, and making new channels to test theories, and side projects, and understanding everything about it to be the best. You can call it "negative consequences for this guy to do better", but it's not better, it's career suicide, and I know that for a fact because it's my job to know. There's at least 50 million channels on Youtube, but, I'll bet you'd have a hard time finding many (any) channels of a large size that successfully pivoted like that without heavy losses. People like regularity, and you can't just make a big fundamental change like that and expect it to not have severe consequences.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 12:18:46 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not to go on, but, it's one of the fastest growing channels, because it's got over 34 million views (173 years 55 days worth of watch time), and I'm getting around 3 million views per month (14.6 years of watch time every 28 days), tripling my income since last year at the same time, and all starting with nothing but a cheap 50 dollar game capture device in 2015. No facebook following, or sub 4 sub, or twitter followers or anything, just making & scheduling videos. Also, I don't really pay much attention to the Youtube Creator Courses as I've seen some, but, it's usually just things I already knew. Most of my data comes from studying my own analytics, and testing out strategies, trying out new video formats across different channels if I have an idea, and if it fails or succeeds, I learn from that. I also pay attention to the Youtubing sub-reddits, Yotube Help Forums, and read articles and watch videos about it, as well, as use Social Blade to get and compare data from other channels as well as my own.
I've got a whole extra channel with over a thousand videos of nothing but garbage; videos where I don't reach the end of the level, a few seconds of accidental recording here and there, things that I'd normally just delete. I wanted to see how that would do, so, I did that in my spare time just for the data, and curious to see what would happen. It didn't get very many views at all, and a lot of dislikes, but, I'm glad I did it because I wanted to see what would happen. There isn't some limit to how many videos or channels there can be, Youtube has the server capacity to hold as many videos as you can give it. Even Google themselves have a channel (Webdrive Torso) that's about as stupid content as you can get.
It's not up to me if something is appropriate, it's up to Youtube, and if they're okay with certain videos, than it's not my position to judge. But, this whole time here, you haven't said what's so bad about his videos? Is he being a bully in them? Or, showing forest suicide victims, or SWATting other people? Holding Klan rallies on video? What is it? If you're just going to say again because they're "stupid", you have to have a better reason than that, as it describes nearly every channel on the platform, and it's entirely subjective, and what you call "stupid" is just your personal opinion, not shared by everybody).
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:10:33 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I most definitely do benefit from Youtube allowing dumb and bad videos on the platform, but, I think that applies to everybody. Nobody starts out making great videos and knowing what they're doing, so, you have to just make videos and learn; not for the purpose of entertaining, but, just to get an understanding of video production, thumbnails, titles, SEO, ideal video length, what people like, what you like to make, etc. My channels for instance, aren't made for anyone else, they're made for me, because they're the kinds of videos that I enjoy making, and feel satisfied with the results. Before starting this channel, I found myself annoyed that most of the time when I searched for video game footage, I'd find some annoying person blabbing along the whole time, making it all about them, or, in the case that I did find no commentary videos, the footage was always edited to cut out deaths, not how you'd actually see it play out on the console.
"I'm not sure it's quite the creative achievement you think it is. I'd be interested to hear otherwise. What's unique about your channel other than the amount of videos you have?"
There aren't any other large channels showing unedited non-commentary videos (and, also, my levels aren't just any levels, they are chosen from the top rated, recent, tagged courses (one tag per time slot & untagged time slot as well)). This kind of thing matters in the future, where the game's servers have been discontinued, and the only remnants of the game are my Youtube videos (as everyone else's videos are edited in some way). I didn't even have to wait long for this to start happening as the Wii U's Miiverse service has been discontinued a few months ago, rendering many levels (especially story levels) unplayable, or at least unrecognizable, and since my channel records vastly more than anyone else, there's many thousands of great, creative, levels I've recorded, which can't be played any longer, and can't be seen elsewhere ever. Not just that, but, I planned for the future, and still have around 1000 videos of levels with Miiverse comments in them, that I'm going to drip feed for the next 50 years, so, while everyone else is lamenting it's demise, I'll still be trucking, still making a good income, and slowing down, but, never stopping, even without new levels to play. I definitely spend a lot of time working on Youtube, and studying every aspect of it that I can, but I feel it's necessary. There's so much that I've picked up that have helped me, and I know that if I didn't have an interest in understanding it all, that my channel wouldn't have gotten anywhere.
"all you need to is put content out there and it will get seen" If that's what he said, he's wrong. My garbage channel, 'Scrapyard Floor' is proof of that. Over a thousand videos, all with different original titles, released on a regular schedule at peak viewing times, and most of them have zero views. If it was that easy to make a good income on Youtube, everybody would be doing it, but it's not easy, it's a lot of hard work, and most people fail hard because they don't take it seriously.
Hey, this has been fun chatting with you on the subject, and, there's not much I like talking about more than Youtube, as I'm sure you can tell, but, I'm sure I'm boring you at this point, and don't really have much more to say on the subject that hasn't already been said. So, this is likely my last reply here. It's been interesting talking to you, good luck and if you really think Youtube needs more better channels out there, maybe you should give it a shot yourself, if you haven't already.
Oh, lol, I get it now, 10k subs. Hah, no, that's 10k videos, actually it's over 13,000 videos now, but, there's a lot more subs than that, that's just how many videos I've produced since 2015 (for the Nintendo Thumb) channel.
Responsibility is boring and doesn’t sell. This is like asking a comedian why they don’t make public service messages. Maybe a producer will come to them with an occasional useful project, but it’s the dumb stuff that they’re good at that pays the bills.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 00:33:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, most people don’t have the luxury of being socially responsible. I could make a moral argument against virtually every profession. We live in a system which is run on greed and power where lawmakers routinely pass laws which are unpopular to cater to their powerful donors. Teachers in many places live with poverty-level wages, while YouTube stars are making 7-8 figures. It’s backwards and bizarre, but unless and until advertising money becomes less important for people’s livelihoods than doing whatever the responsible thing to do is, who are we to judge someone for taking advantage of the system?
Rather than guilting a YouTube star into doing something more noble, why not guilt YouTube (or better yet, the advertisers) who make the vapid YouTube star’s livelihood possible?
How is his/her contribution to society somehow worse to live with than, say, telemarketing? So what, they make shitty videos and they're self-aware that they're shitty. They aren't hurting anybody. Why you gotta be so judgmental.
[deleted] · -2 points · Posted at 22:26:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, most people do "stupid shit" every day just for the money. Just the kind of pointless "stupid" at a mindless, easily replaceable retail job and not the "silly" stupid the youtube guy was referring too.
I also fundamentally disagree with the sentiment that someone with an audience needs to "be better," and that they need to use their fame to do something positive. That's the same reasoning that has all these idiotic Hollywood celebs talking about politics.
You get paid to entertain people, not give your opinion on world events. You can have an opinion, but no one should give it any more credence than any other random person's opinion. I'd actually argue that using your fame to try and do that is worse than just making "stupid shit" for money and keeping your mouth shut.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 17:17:05 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can see why you've been down vote spammed so much. You make a ton of incorrect assumptions in all of your replies, as well as taking the wrong meaning from what was said. Not to mention you seem to be attributing motive to those disagreeing with you.
I didn't say that content that is worth more than simple entertainment didn't have more value than purely entertaining content. I said famous people using their fame to push opinions/causes completely out of their field of expertise was worse than famous people just sticking solely to what made them famous.
I also didn't say that no one should try making better, more meaningful content. I just said there's nothing wrong with not doing that.
If you're fine making dumb content that gets you paid, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. The same as there not being anything inherently wrong with working a retail job just to get paid.
Strive to improve if you want, don't if you don't. You're not obligated to do so just because you got famous.
We just used to go to the skate park and wait. Watched a kid try to drop in on a half pipe riding a bike with no hand grips. When he semi impaled/eviscerated himself in the stomach someone had to sprint to the nearest house to find a phone to call an ambulance. No footage was recorded. Hard to imagine that now.
From memory he'd only started on a 3ft that morning and decided to graduate to a full sized half pipe about 2 hours later. He was nothing if not ambitious.
As a fellow old person don't you also find it strange people pay to watch other people play video games?? Like not even pro's. Just some kind of cute chick or pseudo celeb.
Blows my mind
Edit.
Holy crap.. ok guys I am aware there are other things that are also hard for some people to understand and they find strange including stuff I like.
I never said it was stupid and shouldn't exist. I was simply saying I found it odd, I find lots of things odd and I'm sure you do too
It's usually more for the entertainment value than to actually watch someone play a video game that you could play for yourself. I remember Jimmy Kimmell (I think it was him) being baffled by the idea that people watch other people play video games on Youtube.
I found the irony kind of funny that people will watch him literally sit behind a desk and just talk to different people for 5-10 minutes at a time. Of course, it's not that simple because the way he interviews people is funny and entertaining. But he just didn't apply that same reasoning to Youtube creators that make funny and entertaining streams.
Implying that all fake gamers are of the female persuasion. I have met more fake gamer guys than anything else. Like, why the fuck would you lie about playing Terraria? But I've met men who did just that. Haven't met those elusive "gamer girls," though.
The fake gamer guys fall under when I wrote "They do have to be skilled". I cant stand watching someone that cant play, but the females that are doing the whole "cam girl playing games" is frankly annoying.
There are a lot of people to whom paying $60 each few weeks is impossible, or they just want to see the story or something.
Also, a lot of people watch to see the person that plays comment on the stuff they are playing. The game usually serves as a backdrop to a talkshow, especially when is two of more people playing together (like when TotalBiscuit and Jesse Cox played Terraria, which was not about the game at all, but about their bickering)
And while you can't talk to JJ Abrams any time you like, it is not like there is some profound conversation going on at Kimmel's.
No you can't. There are hundreds of games a year. A lot of people watch these at work. I mean, I spent 120 hours on Zelda this last month. I couldn't also play other games at the same time. Sometimes you just want to see the game and not necessarily play it.
As a fellow old person (at least on reddit), it boggles my mind that anybody watches any of these "famous" youtube channels. I'm not criticizing; I just don't get it. At all.
I'm in my early 30s and pretty much exclusively watch YouTube and Netflix. The content available is so varied that it's quite fulfilling and can be educational. And I find watching like minded people (this is key) experience video games I have enjoyed or am currently playing is weirdly entertaining.
36 year old here feeling the same way. If they have a nice soothing voice and play the same games then I'm sold.
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 22:00:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I watch one if those (a fellow called Daniel Hardcastle) and have done for years. A lot of the stuff he makes he puts genuine amounts of effort into and occasionally completely changes his formula for things.
He isn't really the screaming obnoxious bloke who has solid-colored thumbnails with him looking off-frame with some twatting face, he's a clever person with a very nice sense of humor I think.
franker · 20 points · Posted at 21:27:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it's because the key demographic is tweens, as every other 12-year-old now has a tablet or phone with internet connection from their parents. So you have 20-somethings just acting ridiculous to entertain 12-year-olds, and that's why it looks crazy to older people.
Naw, there are a lot of people who work in an office and use this long content as background noise while working. I make games and have music or movies on all day, sometimes you need a different form of background noise to get you motivated.
franker · 12 points · Posted at 23:34:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, I couldn't imagine trying to get any real work done with a youtube personality going apeshit about something in the background.
A lot of the time it’s because of the commentary. Watching someone struggle their way through a awfully designed and poorly made game while getting frustrated can be quite funny.
26yo here. I dont get it either. Most of them are fake as fuck but try to pass it off as legit. Its one thing if you are like Dom Mazetti and an obvious charicature, but most people arent.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 22:18:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
To me, it reminds me of waiting around to get a bag of weed. Or waiting whatever the socially acceptable time was after buying a bag of weed. So I associate watching someone else play a game with the feeling of wanting to get on to other things and change locations. Yuck. (Also old.)
Yup, just people looking at different boxes. I've been staring at a computer monitor for over 20 years and I can't count the number of times that's been considered strange by people who stare at a TV all day.
Yup, although I actually find those a lot more baffling, but that's just because I hate sports but like video games.
merpes · 1 points · Posted at 15:11:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm an an old, so maybe that's why I don't get game streaming. The difference is that if I watch someone play a video game, I can very easily go and play the game myself, albeit not with the same level of skill as the streamer. For professional sports, I am so far removed from being able to play at that level ... I enjoy the athleticism, strategy, excitement, etc. ... although I can see how those things can be found in watching streamers, too.
I suppose part of it stems from being young and playing video games with friends ... the absolute worst was in not being "your turn" and having to watch your friend play. I still get that feeling when I watch a streamer ... I would rather be playing the game myself.
Do you find it baffling that thousands of people will pay good money to go to a stadium and watch other people play a sport?
No, and I don't even know how you can compare going to a sporting event to sitting on your ass watching a person play video games.
A sporting event has all kinds of experiences that goes with it, such as tailgating, the atmosphere of said stadium, the fan cameras zooming in, interacting with the fans, the prizes being handed out and so much more. There's a lot more going on then sitting on your ass watching other people play a sport.
I do get it with game streamers. You can interact with them in the chat and things like that. But I guess where the people that you responded to are coming from is that it really does come across as a big waste of time.
The only thing I can see myself wanting to watch any gamer is if they are a pro and they are doing secrets or something to where I can get better. But just sitting there watching another person play just for entertainment is just.....meh.
I'm pretty sure you're going to rebuttal, what's the difference between that and watching something on TV. And to be honest I agree with you there. It comes to what we prefer, but I felt to respond, because you actually tried to compare going to a live sporting event to watching someone sit on their ass playing video games.
tailgating, the atmosphere of said stadium, the fan cameras zooming in, interacting with the fans, the prizes being handed out and so much more.
So basically talking with other people in chat, username shoutouts in the donation/subscription pop-up notifications, messages being read out loud by the streamer, stream giveaways.
Going to a sport event is definitely a much different experience, but you can see a lot of similarities. In the end it's all about entertainment. If someone finds something entertaining they may be willing to pay.
In my opinion its about wanting to form a connection/friendship over a common area. Being able to talk about your hobbies to someone, even a stranger can be relaxing.
Streamers also usually respond to what you say so it reinforces the idea of coming together to chat.
But the price at which some people do for this is problematic to say the least.
Interesting. I didn't know there was correspondense
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 00:21:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its a lot more common in smaller channels. In popular streams the chat scrolls so fast and is so full of meme crap that there is not really much correspondence.
I guess it's kind of like me listening to fantasy football podcasts. These guys aren't in my league but I'm learning even though I'm not participating.
When I had a toaster of a computer I'd watch no commentary play throughs of games that my comp simply didn't have the capabilities for. Other than that I don't really get it.
RFOE · 6 points · Posted at 21:47:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For fuck sakes. Why does everyone keep pointing to watching sports. I never said it was stupid. I said I DON'T GET IT. A lot of people don't get sports or art or gay sex! Whatever. Holy fuck.
I guess the problem is nobody knows what the hell you want them to say then. If you don't "get" someone else's entertainment there's not really a way to explain that. Like, they do it because they enjoy watching it. I don't know what really can be said. It is, for them, entertaining and amusing to watch someone playing a game.
Perhaps let us wear the sports metaphor again. Explain to me why you like watching sports. Not really easy to do, no?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:15:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You need to cool your jets if you took that as rage. I just read through your whole thread and was left going "...ok so what does he want?" If you don't want further dialogue why do you keep replying to people...
I think it's best to think of it just like cable television. We can all agree there's a lot of crap on television (I'm sure everyone has different opinions on which channels/shows are the crappy ones), but those shows still get money to be made and pull an audience. Someone paying to watch a stream is really no different then someone else paying money for a cable subscription to watch a show that you believe has no entertainment value. People have been doing it for years, so it's not exactly a new phenomenon and not exactly mind blowing stuff to be honest.
Been subscribed to a Youtube Lets Player since 2009 who has uploaded consistently and has had consistently good views for a long time. He has not resorted to ad reads or promotions and really just seems passionate with his work.
I assume he is just financially secure, but I wish he had a patreon just for people to throw support to.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 21:56:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In fairness, people were making a reasonable living off YouTube by 2009 about, mainly with the coming of minecraft. That's only a few years after skateboard fails
Iksuda · 2 points · Posted at 22:07:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once you add quality production, it's just not any different from TV or Netflix anymore. There's still low budget low-quality stuff that's making money, but the fact that people are being successful on YT doesn't seem alien to me at all knowing there is quality content.
I was surprised I was able to make my living from YouTube. First with me just playing piano which became moderately successful, then in collaboration with a friend and that's being hugely successful. Even ad revenue is doing okay!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 23:51:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's a combination of having to wear a lot of different hats. Starting out, youtubers have to be consistent with videos, be able to edit them, and make a nice presentation of the content they're making. On top of which they have to hold people's attention for the duration of the video while still being entertaining/engaging enough to do so.
One youtuber I watch a lot, Krojak, talks about it a lot in his videos. He was going on how with certain kinds of content the person is either going to have to make a LOT of videos (gaming for example) or if they're only making a few make them look good. (Animation youtube channels typically don't need a lot to get a lot of views.)
Add that in with having to present a certain personality (Jacksepticeye exaggerating his Irish accent for a cute/comedic factor in his videos) and maintain that no matter what else is going on, staying up with social media, etc. There's a ton of work involved and sure it's rewarding, but it's nowhere near as easy as people think it is.
Look at the game Akinator, which guesses a character, live or dead, real or fake, you thought by asking you questions. One of the first questions is always "Is your character a YouTuber?"
There's so many of them.
lcpl · 2 points · Posted at 01:48:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I went on a date with a woman who was a substitute elementary school teacher, she told me that most of the students she has want to be famous YouTube's when they grow up. Its fascinating to me and a little worrisome at the same time. I'm sure most of them will grow out of it but maybe since there is an illusion of low effort and accessibility making it big, some will spend too much time and ultimately fail. I hope that dosent happen though.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:38:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even having ~100k subscribers isn't enough to make a living
I'm surprised that absolute fucking morons like Jake and Logan Paul can somehow be so popular on the site. I honestly don't understand it. Are there like bot armies subscribing and "viewing" the videos?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:12:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Keep in mind it doesn't last long. Most of these guys rise and fall in the span of a couple years. Look at Markiplier's view-to-sub ratio, it's really sad.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:14:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why is this an alien concept? Pretty sure this started in 2008 and Youtube was created in 2005.
I actually stopped going on youtube a few years ago, just havent thought much about it, but been using it since it was new before that. when i occasionally pop in to see what the popular videos are all i can think is what intha fuck happened
No but my blog is different! I talk about being vegan and how my move to SanFranLosAngeNewYorkChicaPortland was amazing and how you can move too!
Acylion · 10 points · Posted at 02:51:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think this comment's on-point. Kids doing it doesn't bother me, chances are they don't necessarily see it as a career. Someone in their late teens or 20s trying to do this full-time, though...
It's possible, sure. But I don't know how many hopefuls are aware that success in YouTube or streaming needs skills and hard work. The ability to talk like a presenter or broadcast journalist. Video editing. Business development and networking, etc.
My little brother wants to make it a career. He doesn’t know the first damn thing about what goes into that sort of video production (not trying to be elitist here; I don’t know a whole lot myself, but I have a vague idea of the steps involved) and I can tell he pretty much expects to play on Minecraft servers all day and money to fall in his lap for it.
Lately there's been some in subreddits that aren't terribly popular like /r/nevertellmetheodds (they're more popular now). They get removed after a couple days. But also when I used to play the game, they'd be on every single server.
[deleted] · 67 points · Posted at 21:44:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have an 11 year old cousin. I asked her what she wants to be when she grows up. The answer was Minecraft streamer. She already has an internet name and everything, and a few videos made. It'll probably take only a year or two before that dream fizzles out, it's much more concerning when it's an older person who still holds an unrealistic dream of internet fame. A friend of mine briefly dated a girl like that. She was 30, took selfies every day with a bajillion filters and posted them online, swore she was going to become a celebrity one day. Their relationship didn't take off.
I have a friend that's 14. He's always talking about his channel and gets pissy when I say that he won't get famous.
Nobody wants to watch a chubby fourteen year old from an unflattering (Films from below because the camera is on his phone that he's using to play games) camera angle that exclusively plays mobile games.
Except they can try to be YouTubers right now and advertise their blunder years to the whole world.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:32:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except being a rockstar, or musician, requires some effort (e.g. learning guitar or an instrument, and being a talented writer) whilst anyone can be a YouTuber, as it requires little to no effort with all the new freeware being released, that practically does everything for you.
I don't know. I know someone that has a ~20,000 sub YouTube channel. He doesn't make a ton of money, and he's not famous in a broader sense, but he still spends a lot of his time editing videos. There's also a lot things that go into it besides editing as well.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 04:11:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. I'm more talking about the 12 Year olds who play minecraft who think they're the shit
I'm just saying. It's no different from a 12 year old fiddling with a guitar and playing power cords in Guitar Center
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 08:51:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but it takes some effort to play power chords.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 05:34:34 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why can't you be convinced that most genuinely successful YouTubers do put effort into their content?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 06:47:44 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do. I'm talking about the lazy ones, not the talented ones
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 04:27:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's 99% luck. I had a friend that worked at a big label. He even signed some big names. I visited his office once back in the late 90s early 00s. The halls were lined with Demo CDs. I asked what those were and he said "these are the talented ones...". All of them. Talented. He randomly grabbed a CD and gave it to me and told me to listen to it later. At first I refused because me taking that CD meant dashing some band's dream. He said if they are in the hallway and not his office, the odds of him listening to it were slimmer than the odds of him picking it up to give it to me.
I wish I still had the CD, it was amazing.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 04:31:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What were some of the big names?
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 04:33:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He'd be way too easy to figure out. But I guarantee you've listened to their music if you were a teen in those years.
I used to use a picture of him with said celebrities to score points with girls. "Oh, you want to meet X heart throb? That's my friend with him! Oh, don't believe me? That's me with my friend!"... If you want to know, it didn't work as intended.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 04:34:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I won't lie, I posted my fair share of shitty video game recordings on YT. But it's not as if I lost anything by doing so, or wasted anyone's time. I learned a bit about social media and recording hardware/software. I see nothing wrong with kids pursuing lofty dreams.
The problem is when people are dropping out of high school / college to pursue their social media career.
Shodan_ · 5 points · Posted at 06:08:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Check "the lofty pursuits" channel, it's pretty good
Overwatch's release led to a ton of new big youtubers that had no viewers before. If you can be one of the first people to make good content on a new big game, that'll greatly increase your chances of youtube fame.
[deleted] · 46 points · Posted at 21:20:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a stand up joke about step dads being lucky that way. If the kid turns out to be an idiot you can wash your hands of it. If he turns out successful you get to say, "I helped raise that boy."
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:35:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah... I wanted to work at EB Games part time when I was younger. I still might, but I've gone of gaming, I'm more casual than hard-core nowadays
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 03:11:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I told him that working there part time as a kid would be great! But that he needs to do something else. Weather that is seeking a formal education or getting one in the trades.
I told him this. If he doesnt work hard, one day, the world will make him. Hell be working 80 hours a week just to eat/pay rent and wont be able to afford the video games he loves so much.
But if he worked hard, he would end up working less later, have more, and more free time.
I get more frustrated with the cringy anti-SJW that are really whiny and attract incels as their audience. I don't really get recommended a lot of SJW YouTubers on YouTube but it is probably because I watch gaming videos and that skews anti-SJW.
I don't like either, to be honest. Both sides have good YouTubers, but both sides also have petulant kids whining about concepts and policies that they don't understand. Like most, I'm a centrist and see too much gray area in everything but to the Alt-Reich that makes me an "Antifa Cuck" and to the SJW community it makes me "Literally Hitler."
Ya just can't win
“Hey youtu- oh whoops my mic fell- hey YouTube it’s-it’s me again, I’m playing Minecraft today, thanks for....uh for tuning in. I’m just.....uh...I’m just working on this house. Dontforgettolikecommentandsubscribe”
The problem is the ones who give up in school and all other pursuits thinking they can do YT instead. Most kids don’t get to that point, but by 12 they should be thinking about potential real careers and planning classes around that
It came across harder than I intended. I meant they should be considering what they want to do and yes, maybe join some clubs to see what interests them and take the right classes so you have options in high school. As someone who never took it very seriously and didn’t get into any of the colleges I applied to, I wish I had been more proactive in taking challenging classes because I never even got the opportunity to take the highest math I needed to be a competitive applicant later on in high school
Not dumb to just think about it, whether or not they know what they want to do they still need to understand the importance going into it. I’m just saying what I wish I knew after being rejected by every college I applied to out of high school (granted they were all reaches anyway but still).
Yeah, stuff to either begin to develop interests or just fillers for the “Activity sheet” sections on college apps. I thought it was all excessive as well until I went through it
I’m in Cali, in my experience it happened with math. I had the option to skip a lower level math class in middle school, but my parents and I did not think the extra struggle would be worth it. I took one other “easy” math course in high school instead of following the direct path to Calculus, so by the time I was a Senior I had only gotten up to Pre-Cal when the engineering schools I applied to expected you to have both full Calculus courses done. If I had taken the fast path in middle school I would have at least been able to fit the first Calc in.
Was it a fast track or two separate streams? Because here in Ontario we have academic and applied courses which are separated from the beginning of highschool. With academic leading into functions and later calc. I'd like to believe the system isn't so poorly designed that you need to fast track to take calc in twelfth grade.
There are no defined/named paths, but typically students wanting to major in STEM would take only the core algebra and trig leading up to the two calc courses available. If you took only those core classes you would be able to take the first calc in 12th. Since I didn’t skip pre-algebra and go straight to geometry in middle school, that put me one year behind, making it only possible to take the first Calc. Then in HS I didn’t do too well and took an easier, non-core math as a Sophomore which took me out of the running for any calc course.
I mean it's not reasonable or common or anything, but it sure would help if we were at least prepared to think about it. A lot of people hit 18 and then immediately have to attempt to figure it out, and a lot of people don't do very well in that regard.
yatea34 · 18 points · Posted at 22:14:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
12-year-olds trying to do Minecraft on YouTube spamming everywhere, you'd be a hero.
Success is a lower bar for them.
Sure, they won't be millionaires.
But it's not too hard to earn $30-100 --- which is not bad video game money for a 12 year old.
[Edit: from the comments below, it seems damn youtube seems they changed their policies to suck for small channels. Anyone know decent alternatives? ]
$30 at $2 CPM is 15,000 views. Not many people hit that mark.
Tabby_N · 8 points · Posted at 00:05:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ive had one video hit that mark. It got to 100,000 views a while back.
...damn I wish i monetized it. I could use that 70 bucks...
Laruae · 8 points · Posted at 00:22:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, because these videos are apparently not making youtube enough money/too expensive to pay out, Youtube is changing the rules. Now you need 1000 subs and must have 4,000 hours watches per year to get any money at all.
Tabby_N · 4 points · Posted at 01:05:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I Know. Sucks for me. I did Youtube in the 5th-7th grade. I was one of those kids discussed in this thread. (I wanna make it big!!!1!!) <--- One of those.
Now video editing is a hobby. I enjoy it, Im good at it considering thats most of what I did in middle school, and its cool to just make something! I will continue uploading to youtube, but money is not in this equation.
Hope old are you and how long did it take you to transition frome move maker to after effects
Tabby_N · 2 points · Posted at 02:30:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wont spout my age, but im not an adult.
Movie Maker to Premeire (Video Editing) and After Affects (Special FX) was fairly easy. Ive used literally every software I could get my hands on. The move from was fairly easy, but thats helped by dedication and a natural understanding of how editing works.
Are you older than 14 because I'm 12 and learning premiere and if your my age its a competition the older you are the less of a competition it is
Tabby_N · 3 points · Posted at 02:51:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know what you mean by competition. Dont worry, im only a few years older than you. Tips - Experiment. Ive been doing video editing for 5 years and experimenting is the best. Try effects, try messing with sliders, keyframes. Take note of how each thing works, and see how it works with other effects.
Watch highly rated tutorials. Its a tougher program for beginners, but you'll get it down. Good Luck!
Thanks all you need to become a pro editor now is blender (which is a free 3d modeling software btw) to create 3d models and import them into Ae. A good channel for blender tutorials is blender guru
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:33:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
lol
Curaja · 0 points · Posted at 21:21:28 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
That has nothing to do with video editing. Try again when you know anything.
yatea34 · 3 points · Posted at 01:30:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now you need 1000 subs and must have 4,000 hours watches per year to get any money at all.
Wow - that sucks.
Seems like it's providing a nice opening for a new video site and/or video ad network so you can monetize videos you put on your own site.
syrne · 2 points · Posted at 04:48:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Competing with Google is probably a tough game to get into. Need content to attract advertisers and need advertisers to attract content, if you're Google you can operate at a loss while those grow but unless you have something new to offer it would be an uphill battle to get funding.
Unless you release Father Finger videos or videos of minions drinking piss. Those things get millions of views via some kind of sorcery. Who sold their soul for that?
yatea34 · -2 points · Posted at 01:32:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So YouTube is paying their content-creators less than minimum wage (as unpayed interns)?
Seems youtube should get in trouble for that.
[yeh, I know, 12 year olds don't have big legal budgets or unions, so the rich corporations get to classify their content-creators as something other than employees]
There's a great video by Alan Becker the Animator Vs Animation guy explaining how much he gets paid for his videos. It's about $1.70 for 5k views I think. Great for convincing teenagers their YouTuber dream isn't that easy
$1.70 for 5,000 views is a CPM of 0.34. From what I've seen, that's very low.
vato817 · 7 points · Posted at 22:30:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know what you mean by spamming but I think its great my nephew has an interest n it and is learning how to edit his videos and putting himself out there.
But then the 1 out of the 3 million 12 year olds that doesn't listen to you will he the one to make it. Let this kids be not all of then will grow up to be a star but for the dedicated and devoted ones its possible.
Except that you shouldn't see their spam if you don't watch any of their videos are anything related to that. The same way I don't see any of it because youtube doesn't recommend it to me. The problem probably lies with you.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 22:36:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are there actually 3,000,000 people who all happen to be 12 year old youtubers trying minecraft or did you pull that out of your ass?
Half-exaggerating. Last time I searched "Minecraft" and filtered by Channel when I got curious it was around 3 million. I just did it now and it's up to 48 million. I'm sure not all of them are kids, actually Minecraft-based, or active.
I searched up "Minecraft" and filtered by Channel, a couple years ago it said 3 million. Now it's up to 48 million.
I'm sure not all of those are kids and not all of them are fully Minecraft-based, or even active at all, so I'm kind of exaggerating. Usually when people talk about them they say they're 12-ish.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 22:36:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND you would be rich, from Moms and Dads who would buy your book so their kid GETS A REAL JOB, YOU DAMN HIPPIES!!! In' my day... (RAMBLES AND RANTS)
Make content for games that lack it. Make NEW stuff, not just "Hello everybody welcome back to sexy bear sim". Having a thing that isn't anywhere else on the internet on your channel is the best way to gain subs
Just my classroom of 12 year olds would work. Thanks in advance.
prof0ak · 1 points · Posted at 02:16:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
is their end goal to become famous or make money? I doubt it
Lett64 · 1 points · Posted at 02:33:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My nephew must be ahead of the curve at 10 years. I hope by the time he's 12 he either gets the idea out of his heads or learns how to edit his videos.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 02:48:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What they need to learn is that playing Minecraft isn't profitable anymore.
69this · 1 points · Posted at 03:08:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My 4yo cousin was playing the Minecraft Creeper song on New Year's Day and it randomly popped into my head last night and thanks to this post I literally cannot stop singing that bloody tune, tune, tune. I don't even play video games!
Related, the infamous "Meeting of the Miners" convention that turned out to be a sham/scam had a panel called "Star Crafting" that, lame StarCraft pun aside, focused on somehow picking a couple tourney winners to become "YouTube stars" on the level of 2014-era Minecraft YouTubers (e.g. the members of Team Crafted at the time.) This effect would somehow be instantaneous and involve continuous dedication to the winners' channels and lots of luxuries. (Note that none of this ever came to fruition, and rightfully so, unlike the other events at the "convention" that fizzled out.)
Potential legal issues about whether or not this constitutes child labor aside, I can now totally see what was going on in the heads of the organizers when they drafted that particular panel, whether their intentions were predatory, charitable, or otherwise. Probably the former, but w/e.
Curaja · 1 points · Posted at 21:09:40 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah, let them continue to fail, at all ages. If they ruin their life because they throw away all their time and energy trying to 'make it big' on Youtube, they deserve it.
It's basically a job like any other. Have to put in enough time to grow your audience and produce content. I watch some YouTubers grind through the content their making. Particularly if they have a popular channel and tons of views on things that get stale quickly like "Roblox" content creators. Kids love it, but as a grown adult I can see the grind happening.
Sound, but what about the factor of online viewer's tendency to get bored of "the hot thing" and wander onto the next hot thing?
[deleted] · 17 points · Posted at 20:00:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is why Pewdiepie shifted from Happy Wheels a while back and he picks from the top games on steam to play as well as the you laugh you lose titles. You pick content that will drive traffic from the searches.
This is similar to the acting/musician point. Youtubers who consider themselves to have made it are usually the ones that supplement their life comfortably with it. I went to uni with a girl who does makeup reviews, xlivlovesmakeup, she's made quite a comfortable income off of her videos, sponsorships, and most importantly (according to her) she doesn't have to buy most of her makeup anymore, gets it for free so long as she reviews it
You don't have to be h3h3 tier to be successful, people like Philly D and Cinemasins and ERB etc are at the higher end of success and usually make their money off of merchandise. But those guys with 100k subs can definitely give themselves a more comfortable life
bpm195 · 13 points · Posted at 02:35:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think people forget that making $30,000 doing what you love can be as satisfying as making $130,000 spending 80/hrs per week doing something you hate.
100k can be considered successful and they probably can make their whole living off of YouTube. If you do merch and a pateron then you can probably make over $30,000 a year which really isn't too bad for most YouTubers who are like in their 20s. It's a little low but if your doing what you love and working for yourself then it's probably worth it.
javelid · 1 points · Posted at 04:59:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can make a lot more than $30k a year (probably like 4/5 times that) with 100k subscribers
How do you think that? I did some math. Say the YouTuber with 100k subs makes 3 videos a week and they get an average of 50k views wich is common for that many subs if not less. An average cpm is around $4 for every 1000 views. That's $200 a video or $600 a week or multiplied by 52 weeks/year $31,200 a year off of just ads. That also assumes they have a good cpm and that none of their videos get demonetized.
Now the numbers for patroen and selling merch are going to not be as accurate because it depends on the YouTuber.
[I'm going to go to bed. Tommorow I'll try to remember to do the rest of the math but it will take a bit more work so give me a bit.]
javelid · 1 points · Posted at 08:05:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because I'm already making $100k+ per year off Youtube at 50k subs (with ~$70-80k from Adsense, and the rest from other sources). People w/ 100k subs get a lot more than 50k views in a week, especially since older videos will continue to accumulate views and some videos can go viral. I personally am getting between 25-35k views per day at the moment (so around 200k views a week).
Nice man! My math doesn't check out but I still believe you, I might be calculating something wrong. Unless you have a surprisingly high cpm idk. Or I'm being lied to about average cpm. Also I'd be interested in checking out your channel if you want to send me a pm, Id understand if you don't tho.
Hi just wanted to spread that CinemaSins is terrible content and show you why you shouldn't see it. If you want to see exactly why see Everything Wrong With "Everything Wrong With" Series by BobVideos.
It blows my mind seeing how much money the big guys make, though. I was watching a few big Fortnite streamers, and the money they made in donations/subs alone in an hour is probably more than I make in 2 weeks at my salaried job.
yep...it's just like professional athletes and popular musicians. when you can entertain thousands to millions of people at once, you make a ton of money.
One of my cousins buddies makes 400-500 bucks a month just by doing videos on how to do simple stuff like resetting oil lights. He works at a shop so he has a bunch for different types of cars. Not much to make a living on but shit 500 bucks is 500 bucks.
I love these videos, helped me put in a dash cam in my car and run the wires to the back. These tip/how-to videos are absolutely going to be watched by someone curious
He’s been doing it for a couple of years now that I know of. Not sure about how long he’s been making money. I don’t know how it all works but he gets/got legit checks 🤷🏽♀️ he’s my cousins homie so I’m not in a position to call up and say hey how much money do you make from YouTube.
If I see another YouTube video on my feed about how YouTube is "screwing" over their channel with less than 300 subscribers I'm gonna flip the fuck out.
Got a friend who videos trains. Spends at least an a couple hour a day, 5 days per week, recording and editing. He made like $200 per year.
"It's just not worth my time anymore." Since they cut him off. I told him to run the numbers. That calculates to under $0.40 per hour.
He's making fuckall. If he likes trains, do that. But it's not enough to consider it a paid hobby.
Albres · 95 points · Posted at 17:47:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
YouTube has already came out with the stats saying 90% of the people affected don't even made the 100 dollar minimum in a year, let's alone get enough views to do so.
My little brother does video work and he totally agrees with the changes. To him and his buddies it's a hobby that occasionally pays back, don't go into this thinking a career is going to pop up.
acaii · 31 points · Posted at 19:27:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've made roughly $600 in the last 6 months off of two videos. Havent begged for subscribers so I fall waaaaay below the minimum now (but I have enough "hours watched" on my channel).
Albres · 10 points · Posted at 19:52:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
600 dollars in 6 months? That's by no means a large amount.
That's like not even a dollar an hour
McGondy · 42 points · Posted at 20:00:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For two videos, produced maybe 6 and 3 months ago? It's not bad, practically passive income at this point. If one went viral, he'd be looking at much more.
Albres · -4 points · Posted at 20:08:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But considering only 2 of his videos is making that much it's not good. It's like working in sales. You could have a good day and then months of shit days.
Either way he isn't going to be making a living hoping videos go viral.
McGondy · 12 points · Posted at 20:30:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not at all.
But at the end of the year, that's an extra $600 in their pocket for, quote, "30-60 minutes making each video". Very good ROI!
That's a month's rent, some new clothes or something to throw into savings.
acaii · 5 points · Posted at 20:29:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dont make videos for a living, I havent made more than two videos. Just saying, I thought it was interesting that not many people even make more than $100.
No, but if you do it as a side hobby the extra income you can get from a popular video is nice.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 07:20:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Albres · 1 points · Posted at 14:24:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then he sticks to his day job.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 14:26:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Albres · 1 points · Posted at 14:57:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol no I got a job like everyone else instead of making videos on an oversaturated market.
I have no pity for when a 300 sub channel with shit editing, garbage personality, and unoriginal idea whines about how YouTube won't give them money anymore.
If he gets enjoyment out of doing it then it is fine for a hobby. He couldn't live off doing it, sure. It is so hard to make money in a creative industry. I think he's doing pretty good.
YouTube has already came out with the stats saying 90% of the people affected don't even made the 100 dollar minimum in a year, let's alone get enough views to do so.
Sounds like youtube trying to cover their ass with shitty stats.
Of course 90% of the people affrcted don't make the 100 minimum, because youtube is flooded with channels no one knows about.
The one's making a living are less than the 1%
That stat tells you nothing about the % of people who were making a living off of youtube that got affected. It could be 100% of them.
Don't even know the context of the changes beyond this thread, so don't take this as me trying to argue with you, but I just wanted to point out the facile nature of that statistic: "90% of the people affected don't even make the $100 minimum in a year." Think of it in terms of conditional probability. Lets define some variables:
P(s)= % of a youtubers making more than $100 a year.
P(a)= % YouTube's affected by changes.
P(s|a)=% of successful youtubers in the subset of those affected. Which you tell us is 10%
P(a|s)=% of affected youtubers who are successful.
Probability theory tells us:
P(s|a)=p(a&s)/p(a)=10%
P(a|s)=p(a&s)/p(s)
Solving for p(a&s) and inputing 10% for P(s|a) gives:
10%(p(a)/p(s))=P(a|s)
So if there are more youtubers who were affected than there were youtubers that are successful (which is likely, given that success is rare) then, successful youtubers are more likely to be affected than unsuccessful youtubers.
Again, just pointing out the fallacy. Your brothers testimony seems to support your case so its probably still a good thing over all.
Albres · 1 points · Posted at 23:00:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not making some guess here, That's straight from YouTube.
and the 10 percent whodo make more than that aren't "successful" they just make 101 dollars a year. The rate of "sucessful" creators is down in the low decimal regions.
That's besides the point, taking 200 dollars out of his pocket because he isn't "big enough" is regressive. Why should those 200 dollars of ad buys be run on channels with 15 million subscribers like Logan Paul? If people want to see train videos, your friend should be paid for his content.
£75 for my current hourly income. I get what you mean given this train example being small, but the point stands no matter how much they earn. The added incentive of making money is something one gets used to after a little while, so losing that would give one less of a reason to edit and upload something.
Sure it feels significant ovrr a year. But it's truly not, and shouldn't make a difference if you started this hobby with no intention of making anything, and the pittance was cut off.
That's fine. But to be brutally honest at this stage of the game Youtube doesn't need train videos to survive. They make most of their money (and views) off music videos, commercial products, and a select few huge channels and they know that.
Creatives deserve to get paid. Period. I write articles. I do it expecting to be paid. I don't get paid much, but I do get something back. If he makes train videos wanting to be paid, that's fine. He's creating content and he wants compensation for it. It's no different than any other job. I hate people who expect creatives to work for free or for exposure. Creatives deserve any money owning to them even if it just enough for a cup of coffee.
If a $0.80 per paycut ruins your business model, you're in the wrong fucking business. To say nothing about overhead costs of committing those 2 hours every single day.
I have around 350 subscribers. Yeah the 30 bucks a month loss sucks (beer money), but I enjoy posting "how to" vids and will continue to do so pro bono.
It sucks I have the views but not the subs to maintain my gravy train, but thems the breaks. I have a day job that pays the bills.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 19:27:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Keep in mind, I've had it for a while, but recently got into a kick of actually posting to it. I finally decided I wanted to be a Youtube slap-assed Bob Vila for people that might not have a million tools at their disposal.
My next planned videos are (as mentioned earlier), sweating copper pipes, and also one on changing your car's oil with the bare minimum tools required.
Actually, it could come out to over 1000 dollars in the course of a year. The joke that people will only be losing out on 4 dollars a month is simply not true. My channel can get 25 dollars a month now if I upload a decent video, for 80 hours of watch time. Youtube requires 4000 hours of watch time before they will even let you start monetizing your videos now. That's 1,250 dollars lost before you can even start earning money assuming you also have 1000 subscribers. That might not be a lot of money for most people, but it's definitely not 3.75, and if I do create original content for Youtube I'd like the possibility of seeing some benefit no matter how small. 1250 bucks can certainly buy a few meals. Youtube has a limited amount of advertising to run, by removing advertising from smaller channels those ad buys will run on big channels instead. It's completely regressive, "those little Youtube peons will hardly miss those advertising dollars... Let's run those ads on Logal Paul videos instead. He needs the money."
Let's also not forget that this is coming in response to backlash over the likes of Logan Paul, who with 15 million subscribers was not punished by Youtube. Instead, Youtube misdirects against small channels when they support actual corrosive content. Elsa-gate channels have millions of subscribers. None of these changes go after the worst offenders whom youtube has continued to protect.
This change also makes it more or less impossible to make money on infrequent uploads, no matter what kind of content you produce. If you have a viral video maybe you can still sell it to a vampire licensing company, but what if you just upload an informational video or an animation which slowly collects views over its lifetime? It's just a slap in the face because it doesn't even do anything about the worst offenders on Youtube. It's just a way for Google/Youtube to say they're cracking down on advertisers after outrage without actually dealing with the actual issues with their celebrity channels. They have preferred advertising partners which post absolutely vile content on a regular basis.
Youtube doesn't give a rats bare behind about bad content. Youtube has confirmed that the trending page is curated for a while now. Someone at Youtube personally APPROVED Logan Paul's video before it garnered enough outrage to be taken down and spark advertiser backlash. People need to call Youtube out for their hypocrisy even if they were only making a few bucks before the changes.
Edit: Just want to make a few more points while I got the upvotes and attention. It's disappointing to see so many people falling into the mindset of "of course the little guy should get steam rolled." The thing is, well intentioned people fall into that mindset and don't even realize it. It's not as if these people are consciously out to screw over the little guys or make things even more unfair or difficult. But that's how people behave. People will happily splash 20 bucks down a multinational corporation's black hole without a second thought, but then "Why should this guy get 4 bucks for his train videos or hobby? What a loser!"
Also, use adblock and only whitelist people who you want to support, particularly small channels. Don't let Google funnel your revenue generating eyeballs into their usual clickbait and celebrity award show videos. If Youtube won't demonetize their actual cancerous content, it's up to you to either stop watching it or adbock it. If people start black listing their celebrity vlogs and only play ads on channels which produce actually interesting or creative content (example being physics and science channels), that will send a much bigger message than anything else about the type of channels and content Youtube should be supporting. And also start uploading and more importantly, sharing videos from other sites like Vimeo instead. If you want people to have your back when starting out in a new venture whether that is a small business, or hobby... support others doing the same.
Edit 2: This actually makes me want to create a browser plugin to block Youtube ads on channels with more than X subscribers and work on a whitelisting system for those above x subscribers. I wonder how many people it would take to adopt such a plugin before Youtube got the hint, or youtube's neural net observed that fewer subscribers was translating into higher advertising plays per view?
I know I know, I was just trying to make a joke hence the all caps. I really do feel bad about how youtube has been treating the smaller side of things. I love the channels I am subed to with 10K other people. Between this and the scare with patreon I feel like we need a better way to support the little guys and gals.
The alien concept for me is why people think they should be paid for making a YouTube video. It used to be that people put videos on YouTube because they were interested in something and wanted to share that with the world or maybe a promotional video for their music or something. I get that the media landscape has changed since then and online videos is as much of a commercial platform as TV, for example. It's just a strange concept to me that someone in their bedroom can upload a rant about the latest Sonic game and expect to get a check for it.
Edit: I'm more commenting on the alien idea that YouTube was seen as a way to make money to begin with. Back then, posting a funny video of your cat was about the extent of things. I never thought it would be seen as a way for people to bypass the normal Hollywood TV process of getting an audience for a show. I am not saying people shouldn't be paid for creative work. I am more saying, "Who would've thunk YouTube would be what it is?"
People wanting to be paid for original content they produce is not a new concept. Youtube would just be pretty barren and unattractive if it wasn't for the content people create and share. Also, not everyone uploads video game rants. Regularly ranting on Youtube might actually be one of the few remaining ways to get into the partner program at this point.
Imagine creating a one off animation and uploading it to youtube. Even if that video collects 100k views and attracts new users to the website to be repeatedly monetized on each new partner video they see, forget about it. You won't see a dime for your work. But even if you won't see any money, you will be doing your part to enable the lavish lifestyle of Youtube celebrities like Logan Paul, as traffic is funneled into their videos through "recommended videos" in order to ensure he can continue to afford his penthouse vacations and sexy "assistants" whom he drags around by the ankles while not filming suicides.
If you want to make an argument about whether or not people deserve to see any money for their work, then there is plenty of trash content on Youtube that I feel doesn't deserve a dime, and many of them have lots of subscribers and views.
Also, small channels must promote their content outside of Youtube to get views, bringing users onto the website. Why promote Youtube's advertising platform when you'll never see a benefit from it? People will regularly click on a video link from an external site and then watch recommended videos or stay on the platform. Youtube will make money on them, but you won't see any of it because they refuse to show advertising on your video. They will wait until they click on the recommended videos they flash in front of your viewer after watching your video instead.
The alien concept for me is why people think they should be paid for [doing work]
ok m8
aahelo · 21 points · Posted at 19:14:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The quality of these videos have also increased dramatically, and a lot of time, work and effort are being put into that content (well, it can't exactly be said for everyone, but overall).
Back then "Charlie bit my finger again" was the top viral video, and overall most videos was just some random garbage with no value. And a lot of it was just one off videos with no follow-up or related videos.
The quality content you see today is only possible because of monitization.
I think the content creators deserve the money they earn.
ZxR · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would love to know what kind of content you're making to be earning $1250 off of 4000 hours of watch time...
He posted a video where he was exploring a "suicide forest" and there was an actual dead body. A man had commited suicide there probably the night before. Logan Paul actually kept filming, made jokes about it etc. and posted the video. This is especially crazy as he has so many young subs.
Yeah, it's especially relevant because it provoked an advertiser backlash which immediately preceded these recent changes to their advertising program... which does nothing to address Logal Paul and ironically funnels more ad revenue into his channel by removing ad buys from showing up on smaller content creators.
The small channels just copy the big channels and the big channels all just copy each other. Meanwhile most of it is shit to begin with. Even the ones who don’t copy shit are mostly all the same anyway. Some of these people can pass off anything as “content” these days if they’re big enough. Just slap on a clickbait title and a “You’re not gonna believe this!” and you’re good to go.
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That’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
code- · 58 points · Posted at 19:16:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Anyway, that’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
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raeiou · 0 points · Posted at 19:14:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
I mean it's still a long shot, but just like any industry if you can find a growing niche and stay consistent with it, as well as know how to network with people, your chances go way up. I'm currently watching a friend of mine who does a series on studying and analyzing stories in video games get a lot of traction in his little part of the site. It's really cool to see.
Many original content creators have said, that to get the limelight nowadays, you have to have a REALLY original idea. Copying other people's stuff or doing generic stuff is a 99.99% failure guarantee
Albres · 32 points · Posted at 17:50:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or you have to have a personality to pull it off.
You could have the most uninteresting idea ever but if you have the personality and editing skills to make it presentable your chances go up. Which about 99% of these new channels don't have.
Kinda like linus tech tips.
If he was some random Joe with a thick accent I wouldn't really watch his videos, but he's linus with a really great personality and good presentation skills.
Or be attractive. That's how so many people make money selling ads/products on Instagram. Look sexy, use a product that a company pays you to every once in a while (clothing, food, workout equipment, etc), make bank.
Exactly, and most popular YouTubers now started because they had something to say. Many of them didn't went into it for the views nor the money, but for the content they wanted to share.
I feel the same way. The people who can produce really good content consistently will eventually find visibility.
JGar453 · 1 points · Posted at 20:15:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Occasionally lets players still succeed though. You really don’t even need to be original. Most let’s players who succeeded were able to succeed because they had a strong personality. It’s about personality driven content. Im not going to watch random boring 12 year old try to copy old pewdiepies style while he’s playing Minecraft, the most over saturated game on the platform. I am attracted to YouTubers with personality and passion for their work.
Consistency is key. It's true for any creative field. So many promising webcomics never gain traction and fall off the planet because the artist occasionally goes on several-month hiatuses.
Conversely, many not-so-good webcomics rake in tons of cash every month because the artist is always updating their comic, even if the comic itself is pretty "meh".
Best person task ask about things like that would probably be /u/SovietWomble.
IIRC he used Patreon even before Youtube took a shit on smaller channels, and most of the money he makes comes from there and donations he gets from livestreaming on Twitch.
IIRC he used Patreon even before Youtube took a shit on smaller channels
Yep. Precisely this. Though this is more due to my stubbornness when it comes to adverts as a concept. They annoy me. Same with things like plugging merch/products, etc. Hence I never went for it and circumvented it with crowd-funding.
The good news is, what Total Biscuit once said is true - the outgoings for a Youtuber can be absurdly low. If we're just talking about an upfront investment for any camera equipment and licensing of editing software. Meaning that it only takes a small number of fans to keep the content coming. I've always found is that it's about 0.01% to 0.03% of the total subscriber base acting as crowd-funding backers. Which is a much more manageable group for updates and engagement, etc. And it also makes much of that aforementioned merch/sponsorship effort entirely irrelevant.
Plus these people are (more often that not) full-grown adults with stable jobs and salaries. Chipping in less each month then they would pay for a latte. Meaning that, like crowd-funding generally, overall risk is very low. And that smaller Patron group (at least in my experience) can be an excellent sound-board for your content. Letting you make adjustments and tweaks whilst receiving honest feedback, before anything goes out publicly to the much more screamy arena of Youtube comments where first impressions really matter.
Additionally, without providing the incentive for clickbait by rewarding views, creators can focus on trying to make something that's regularly interesting to watch. Be it video-essays, vlogs, critiques, comedy, trailer montages, tutorials, whatever. A lack of reliance on advertising means that you can focus on quality over quantity. Because the decision of whether or not they get to eat that month isn't being determined by how quickly one can finish a video. Which collectively brings up the quality of the website.
Lastly (as a measure of the stability it can bring you) in a worst-case scenario, Youtube itself could disappear tomorrow and crowd-funded creators would be more or less unaffected. They could just put their videos up on another site, or even make one themselves and just continue as normal. The only thing that matters is that the 0.03% get the videos.
I often bring up the comparison to a security deposit when renting. You don't give the deposit to the landlord, but to a third-party to hold in trust. Therefore why would you let your video hosting service handle your salary? Such important things need to be protected by a third-party so it cannot be held to ransom. Like, say...the adpocalpse did.
Of course, on the flip-side one could make a case that by bypassing the host websites monitization strategy, a Youtuber stops supporting the infrastructure that makes their videos available. And that's a valid criticism. I am certainly guilty of this and I would not shirk culpability if it became an existential problem for Youtube. But what is one to do if you fundamentally disagree with said monitization strategy?
I'll happily bring people to said site, but I'm not feeding them advertising.
TL;DR - Crowd funding has a lot of benefits, but also some potential problems if it becomes widespread enough.
page395 · 7 points · Posted at 19:48:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I read this whole thing before realizing it was actually you that wrote it lol
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 01:16:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's most kind of you to offer, thank you! But only if you're absolutely sure.
As mentioned above with the 0.03% and the low outgoings insofar as living expenses are concerned, my existing patrons have been very generous and are thus far providing a stable salary for the editing I do.
Might I be able to talk you into seeing if any other Youtubers you follow also have Patreon accounts setup, and may not quite be at minimum wage levels yet? I'm sure it would mean the world to them.
Either way, thank you kindly for the offer!
betaich · 3 points · Posted at 01:15:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As trite as it's undoubtedly going to sound - compilations of amusing moments from stream sessions of various games. With perhaps a bit more focus on cutting out the irrelevant bits, alongside animated text and other visual effects.
betaich · 5 points · Posted at 02:02:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for answering, but that kind of content isn't for me. I still wish you good luck in the future.
Holy crap mate. I just subscribed to your youtube channel before going to this post. Noice. I didn't know you had a twitch so I will be checking that out!
^ absolutely. Logan Paul (like him or not, he's one of the most successful people on the platform) has been reported to make over 15 times of his ad revenue through this merch.
Where did you read this report? Do you know how many sales he would have to make to generate 12million revenue per month for himself from his little online shop... he would have to sell millions of pieces (not possible)per month and pay for the people to run such a large scale operation. He definitely makes a lot from it and is one of if not the successful merch lines but let's be realistic. People estimate his net worth at 10-15 million (likely under-estimated) yet you think he makes 150million a year from merch sales..
You think 10m is a horrible estimate but you think 150mil from his merch store is reasonable? LOL. If the biggest youtuber, Logan Paul who gets 300million views per month, only makes 50k in a month, how does anyone else expect to live off of YouTube? 300mil views is not a small amount, your average "successful" youtuber struggles to get 10mil. RiceGum, a youtuber, once posted a video of his YouTube revenue in a month where he posted like 3 videos but accumulated 20million views on his channel, showed 60-70k revenue that month. Multiply that by 15 for Logan Paul. So 900k in one month would be the lower bound for him considering his content is less likely to get demonetized compared to someone who roasted kids for a living.
150 million? When the hell did I say 150 million? 2 million a month x 12 months = 24 million. It’s an estimate anyhow. Don’t get picky when you’re using the high end of unreliable social blade stats.
Are you unable to read? You literally commented 12 million per month nor I did say I used social blade stats. I gave you evidence and reasoning for those numbers but you're just pulling random numbers out of your ass. Your source, Forbes, by the way, estimated 3.25million, not 600k, which is still a lowball based on anecdotal evidence. If he only made 3.25m in a year, <$1/1000 views is rather low for a high profile youtuber who was a preferred ad partner (which he was just kicked off of). Random youtubers who aren't preferred as partners report $1-2/1000 views.
Chill out dude, it’s a typo. And the 600k is ad revenue, not complete revenue. And no, you didn’t say you’re using social blade, but whoever created the model for the data you’re using is, as the high value you’re suggesting is exactly the same. And it’s not about views, there are a few factors that go into it, primarily time watched and click through rate.
What model am I using.. I'm literally telling you what people revealed they make to make an estimate on what Logan Paul would make. Forbes reported 3.25m last year from YouTube AD revenue, he made over 10m in total last year. Also my mistake, his channel only blew up mid last year so 3million is actually a reasonable estimate, but that doesn't mean he isn't making >800k per month recently from YouTube ads. And if i can't use views to extrapolate, what makes Logan Paul's 10+ minute daily videos not worth watching through nor clicking ads compared to anyone else's? In fact I'd argue his younger audience is less likely to have Adblock and would watch his entire videos which are longer than average, so am I actually underestimating according to your argument?
Oh, and you've yet to show me where he makes 24mil a year from merch.
Chill out dude, it’s a typo. And the 600k is ad revenue, not complete revenue. And no, you didn’t say you’re using social blade, but whoever created the model for the data you’re using is, as the high value you’re suggesting is exactly the same. And it’s not about views, there are a few factors that go into it, primarily time watched and click through rate.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 20:25:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So how old is the average audience of these YouTube channels? Is this an early 20 something and younger thing?
betaich · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It seems to depend deeply on the type of channel. Car channels mostly younger guys, gun channels there you can find them all, depending on the focus of the channel. Forgotten Weapons for example does history and how weapons work and he has mostly older audience, at least before Battlefield 1 was a thing. He even worked with the creators of that game. Than you have prank channels and stuff like Logan Paul where the audience tends to be on the younger side. Than you ave channels solely geared towards children.
I agree with the commenters that say it takes some luck. But my philosophy was persistence pays off. You never know when you’ll make a viral video. And once any video is up, it’s just going to continue to make money indefinitely. So why not try! My inspiration was a man whose video of a water slide racked up 92 million views!
Im about as boring as can be, but I think there’s a segment of viewers who don’t enjoy younger people yelling at the screen. I’ve been at it 9 months and am up to 12500 subs and 5 million+ views over 200 videos. I did get lucky with a few videos so I’m not doing too bad. Since I started, I average $22/day in ad revenue. But the past 90 days, that’s been $45/day. Yesterday was $98. Woohoo! Certainly not enough to quit my day job yet, but way more than I ever thought I’d be making at this point.
Anyway, point being, it takes work but literally anybody can do it...
For red ribbon week my daughter’s school gave the kids a paper to write/illustrate what they want to be when they grow up, then they hung them o the cafeteria walls. There were SO MANY “YouTube stars” and “pro vloggers” on that wall. It was more prevalent than the ever-popular police officers and firefighters. It’s a sign of the shift of generations.
This makes me even more impressed that I know two kids who did make it big (over 1M each), both from a tiny private school in Wisconsin. Editing skills make all the difference I'd say.
Oh agreed certainly some are unpleasant people with yes-men surrounding them. However there are level headed YouTubers like Phillip DeFranco and PewDiePie to balance them out
I mean, that is a good personality. For entertainment. Lets be real, most people don't want to sit there and watch someone be super polite and nice for 30 minutes. People that are bold, ambitious, over the top, and cocky are fun to watch. Same thing with reality TV.
Honestly, I was thinking about it. I was thinking of going through old trash reality tv shows such as Flavor of love or I love New York and shit like that. Kinda like Mista GG does for "To catch a Predator" but not sure how to go about it
also a youtuber- I grew up with a very pride driven moralset. I actively avoided clickbait or anything I felt wasn't a proper respectful illustration of the video itself. It took me a lot of work to get where I am, but i'm at a level it can be considered a good job. But I can confirm that abusing clickbait is indeed much easier than the average person thinks, so long as they do their research on trends. It takes a lot of self control to avoid that path..
My gf is an elementary school teacher and she mentioned one of her kids wants to be a professional youtuber when they grow up. Good luck kid, but don’t put all your eggs in that basket.
Yames24 · 2 points · Posted at 19:53:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
majority of the ones i watch 5-6 years ago have turned to patreon and twitch because the ad revenue is not longer sufficient.
I feel that if you go in specifically to make money and be famous then you won't get anywhere at this point. However, if you have a passion for the videos you are making then go for it and if you end up being able to go full time then it's a win-win.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:12:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
At some point in history we will look back on the stupidity of this youtuber phenomenon and just roll our eyes. I already do.
[deleted] · 1399 points · Posted at 13:57:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rent controlled apartments in NYC.
buckus69 · 486 points · Posted at 22:38:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If TV is accurate, they're all occupied by part-time coffee-shop employees who work approximately ten minutes a day.
My great aunt pays $900/month for her apartment in Greenpoint. She is also 96 and has lived there since the Eisenhower administration, Kennedy at the latest. It's tiny, and currently her landlord is fighting her not to add her deadbeat son to the lease, because they've been wanting her to go since before I was born. My parents were paying a few times more when I was a kid a few blocks away. And this was before it was gentrified, so I can only imagine how different it is now.
[deleted] · 34 points · Posted at 23:29:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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dbath · 26 points · Posted at 02:56:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was presumably less back then, rent control generally allows for small yearly increases.
Varies a lot from one neighborhood to the next. If you’re living alone, you’re looking at a ballpark of $1,100 to $2,800 anywhere near the city. Go further out in the outer boroughs (queens, Bronx, Brooklyn), and you can get below $1,000, but you’re now thirty minutes or more from the city.
You can't even get a studio in Brooklyn or Queens for $1100. Maybe in the Bronx. I would KILL for an $1100 studio and I live in Brooklyn. I pay $960 for a room in a 3 bed with two roommates.
It's actually a LOT cheaper to live with a roommate or look for a 2-bed instead of a studio/1-bed. When I moved into my decently-sized (for Manhattan) 2-bed, the rent was $1755. However, I looked at studios and 1-BR, too, and they were like $1500+ in the same neighborhood (My friend's studio is $1900). Getting a roommate, as long as you have good screening for choosing said roommate, massively drops your rent/utilities. Plus, someone will notice if you turn up dead.
Funnily enough, Craigslist. And the post was nearly a month old. I thought there was no way the apartment was still available, but I sent an email anyway. Filled out the application the day I saw it, because it was perfect. Try looking in Hamilton/Washington Heights or Fort Washington. I've been here 3 years, and the rent has increased a bit, but both my roommate and I are paying less than $1000/month in rent. I came up with an apartment hunting checklist a while ago that I can share. I've actually sent copies of it to coworkers, friends, and even some realtors that I hunted with because they thought it was super helpful.
Really? I moved to Queens about three years ago and we saw plenty of listings for 1 bedrooms around the $1,100 range. Granted I’m talking about Sunnyside if not further west - not LIC.
I believe the average is above $3000. Though if you venture further away from the center you can probably find a 1br for around $2000 in a neighborhood that "looked very different 30 years ago".
The far reaches of the outer boroughs probably have some for around $1000.
snowqt · 8 points · Posted at 00:03:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why won't the government enforce rent control? It's a really good thing and keeps the cities affordable for everyone. Works perfectly in Germany :)
On the other hand you have Stockholm where rent control is the reason that the waiting list for a "firsthand" lease is 10-20 years.
For the government to enforce rent control, rent control must be allowed under the law. At this point, the only rent-controlled apartments (not to be confused with rent-stabilized ones) are a relative handful where the rent control dates back to now outdated price-control legislation.
snowqt · 12 points · Posted at 04:06:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Better waiting 10-20 years than making cities a place for rich people only, tbh.
Or you just let more housing get built so supply can rise to meet demand. Rent control is one of the few topics that economists agree on regardless of political affiliation (they're almost universally against it).
Then the city is instead a place for old patient people rather than young go-getters.
snowqt · 0 points · Posted at 16:07:02 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, what's the problem? At least the rich don't get everything they want just because they have money. Same chances for everybody, that's written in our constitution. Everybody has the right to choose freely where he lives.
Germany doesn't have a rent control, it has a "look here's a law to show you how we care but it actually does nothing, suck it people" -law.
snowqt · 1 points · Posted at 17:58:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well rent for normal appartments cant rise anymore. You can still find flats in the centre of Cologne, Munich, Hamburg and Berlin which are affordable, thanks to the Mietpreisbremse.
They are still rising. That's why the rent control isn't working. And good luck finding an affordable flat in Munich. Munich is the worst rip off.
From personal experience I can say how they still rise even in smaller cities. I already pay about 700€ warm per month and only moved in about a year ago. Today any flat of the same size/quality here is at least 100€ more per month.
snowqt · 1 points · Posted at 18:24:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nothing. It's just empty words. Technically it stops rents from rising above other rents in the same area. But in reality everyone raises them, so no one has a proportionally too high rent.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:14:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It means the government dictates how much you can charge for rent. Like price controls and wage controls, tried as an emergency measure during WW2. Doesn't work that well, has been a disaster everywhere it has been tried. But that doesn't stop lefties of the unicorn and fairy dust variety from believing in it.
I HAD ONE! True story: Clinton Hill 2-Bdrm for 1,800/month. I lived there about 5 years before we found out rent-control contract with the city was lapsing and the landlords were trying to sell the building. They tried to forcibly(sneakily) evict everyone. I later saw my old apartment (now a 3 bedroom somehow) at 3,400/month.
joeykey · 2 points · Posted at 21:33:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lucky me!! West Village. Rent controlled.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 14:21:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Living there since 1971? Cause if not, it's only rent regulated or stabilized, not controlled.
joeykey · 2 points · Posted at 19:05:03 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably?
I sublet on the DL
I pay very little.
Don't really know the details.
But if you need to be right, then hey - yer right!!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:30:15 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly if it's a DL sublet....it very well may be rent controlled.
joeykey · 2 points · Posted at 14:23:40 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, I'm pretty sure it is. Dang - the person I sublet from has had it since 71? That's nuts. There's a smattering of long-time residents in the building, that have been there forever.
Meanee · 5 points · Posted at 14:14:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Any building with 6 or more apartments is rent controlled. I live in a 6-apartment building that was probably built before discovery of New World, and it's rent controlled.
[deleted] · 50 points · Posted at 14:49:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's rent regulated or stabilized, not rent controlled.
From Wikipedia
To qualify for rent control, a tenant must have been continuously living in an apartment since July 1, 1971.
Nope, that’s rent stabilized. Rent stabilized apartments can raise the rent by the city-specified amount each year, and raise the rent based on renovation/improvement, and are subject to luxury decontrol when the rent climbs above, I believe $2500. Rent Control, a fixed rent, ended in 1971 and only currently exists for people who have lived in a rent controlled apartment continuously since 1971.
Meanee · 13 points · Posted at 15:00:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a friend with an MSc in CompSci who actually finishes his projects doing this. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. He claimed that's what professionals do. Right...
Well it's nice to catch errors and to give a nice error message when your applications fuck up. But obviously the number of applications that CTD without any error message prove that it isn't that common.
I work in Web Dev, and this isn't too far from the truth. The entire web request is wrapped in a giant try-catch, if it fails then it logs the exception on the server and returns an error response to the user.
Though an EMPTY catch block is a completely different story.
If you set up the catch to try to do some last-minute logging about what just caused the exception, this isn't that ridiculous to do. But the code you responded to, as given, is absolutely terrible.
Hey! Remember the pattern we said we would use for import files and have for 2 years now? I decided I want to put different things in that folder. Also, everyone's upset that their files aren't importing and we're losing business because of it.
buge · 3 points · Posted at 04:34:54 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on the language. A strict statically typed language like c++ is much less likely to be able to start running. But a dynamically typed language like python is much more likely to start running.
With enough experience (and some help from an IDE) you can produce a code that runs on the first try pretty consistently. Even in C++ - Valgrind, GDB and fsanitize=address give ample warning in case you're getting that memory wrong.
99% of the time we end up with code that compiles, executes and doesn't crash, hang or freeze on startup. But in my almost 10 years of coding/managing I only saw a handful of programs that did exactly what they were supposed to the first time they were fired up.
buge · 2 points · Posted at 06:19:58 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, c++ compilation depends on the IDE.
I wasn't trying to insult c++. I prefer it to python, especially for large programs. In python with a variable name typo, it won't catch it until the program runs to that point and throws an undefined variable exception, this could happen after a long time of important work. C++ doesn't have that problem, the compiler (or IDE) will catch your variable name typo. Maybe a python IDE would solve this, I've never tried one.
Yep. At least with Eclipse I tend to fix most things that make it not compile pretty quickly. Then it turns out Of forgot to instantiate something so null pointer exception, then finally get it to actually do something and it falls to complete the task anyway
The best part is always when you have something that's almost working but there's still some problems.
Then when you try to fix them you realize there is a huge logical error in the code and you suddenly have no idea how that mess ever came close to working in first place.
havron · 1 points · Posted at 22:17:01 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
With one bit used for something else...?
No, it's a the highest value of a signed 8bit integer.
127*2= 254 <-- this accounts for -127 to -1 and 1 to 127
Add in the 0 = 255
Its fun, but don't be surprised if one second you're staring at a screen with 50 bugs and the next second it's fixed and you have no idea wtf happened so you just leave it and never touch it again.
If it’s intriguing to you definitely jump in. Just be prepared for the occasional sleepless night due to frustration. Then you’ll also have those moments of “I am the smartest person on earth.” Which makes it all worthwhile.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 21:35:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Odd question. How do you actually know the number of bugs? Isn't it just "well it doesn't work so bugs>0"
paolog · 19 points · Posted at 21:52:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can never know the number of bugs, only the number of known bugs (which might sound obvious). You get an idea of that from the number of regression tests that fail, the number of issues the client has reported, the number of issues found by your beta-testers, and so on. You fix a bug and write one or more regression tests for it, and that helps give you a better idea of the degree of bugginess of your application.
Even when it looks like it all works, it's very likely you still have bugs > 0 - it's just those bugs arise in very uncommon circumstances or ones that no one's tried yet.
Code compilers will often provide a list of bugs they've found when they fail to compile.
Usually it's just typos. Forgot a semicolon, wrong number of close parens, etc . But one error can "hide" a bunch of other errors, so when you fix one, you seem to get more.
Learned xAPI last year and work with it daily today. I don’t know why, but it was a nightmare for me to get the hang of it and finally become consistent with writing my statements.
Lol if you write your statements correctly and get them sending correctly, it’s pretty great for learning analytics. We are able to get crazy granular with our data now
Well right now im trying to solve a webexception write error thats caused by mono when you try so send an HttpEncode request, so unless you remember dealing with that (the cause is the way Mono handles it) idk
Thanks tho!
I’m actually not familiar with mono. All my scripts/connectors for sending data i coded in python and then some real-time connections with a tincan JavaScript library i found
Yeh im using the tincan C# library. I need to get a workaround for mono not liking ssl authenticated format, but there are a few suggested ones i have yet to try.
When I wrote code for a class in college I got tired of mass bugs not knowing where they came from. So Everytime I implemented a major function I would compile it and solve errors as they come up. Much easier that way instead of mass debugging in the end
bugNo = random(int(1, ∞))
while bugNo != 0
output(bugNo, " bugs in the code on my screen,")
output(bugNo, " little bugs.")
output("""
Take one down,
Figure it out,
""")
bugNo = random(int(1, ∞))
output(bugNo, " little bugs in my code.")
Edit: is that 'while' statement needed? I'm not much of a coder, just decent at reading code. Wouldn't the exact same thing happen even without that statement?
I'm a mechanical engineer. Sometimes things just work in such perfect balance that any attempts to make it better just cause the whole system to crash.
This is the reason why I drop out of Game Design and Graphic Design. If there's one thing I learn with any code (game or web) is how to put a big fat bandaid and pray that no one will find it. :D
I'm writing a client-side, transpiled JS site right now. The maniacs in our group decided to get rid of the semi-colon because, and I kid you not, "it just looks cleaner."
On our last family gathering, my sister said “you get paid too much to do nothing.” I was like, “what?? I do a lot!” And she said, “yeah but you know what you’re doing, so it’s easy.”
HAHA no. That is not how programming works. Yes I know what I’m doing, but many times implementing something and trying to understand other’s code can take a long ass time. And unexpected bugs and edge cases also waste a shit ton of hours. I get paid fairly.
I work for the bank app of 1 of the big 4 banks in the US.
We have over 50 people that contribute to the app. It’s a fucking mess. Many people write sloppy code, too much space in between things, no safe checking, etc.
We’re all separated into teams so I guess their reviewers don’t do a good job at it.
Takes about 6-10 minutes to compile and test the app each time.
paolog · 19 points · Posted at 21:57:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some suggestions: coding standards, code reviews, test-driven development. Your code will take considerably longer to write but the quality will be way better and have far fewer bugs.
Your product team is not in charge of how you code.... You are. Pushing for quality code is the developer's job. I write a bunch of unit tests. I build it into my estimate and I'll either explicitly state it or not. I hardly have defects because I've tested so much before getting to QA.
I mean essentially that's what we are trying to do is just build it into estimates. Not quite as easy as "just do it". If it takes us twice as long to deliver, they're gonna raise hell and we won't be developers any more. Lot of shitty organizations out there that are timeline driven and don't really give a shit what the dev team thinks or if they put out quality code.
Lately I've hardly tested things through running the application anymore. I'll do a bit, but I trust that my unit tests are doing more if not better than u could through the UI. So I've saved some time setting up scenarios through the UI. I dunno, good luck.
paolog · 1 points · Posted at 07:47:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Crappy software but at least it's shipped on time, eh? Three more suggestions for you: agile development, agile development, agile development. It recognises that of the three sides of the iron triangle of product management, time and scope have to give way to quality.
Like most people, I used to not write any comments at all. I learned my lesson.
But I didn't learn it well enough because now my comments are like "do the damn thing" and reading it later I'm thinking, "this isn't even a function that I'm calling here, what damn thing was I supposed to be doing?"
I was given the task to add a huge implementation into the app that requires a lot of logic from several areas. I will most likely maintain it obviously in future tasks here, so I wrote documentation comments. It’s those comments that show up when autocompleting code.
Nooo. I said I wrote documentation comments, something that Xcode can do. Different than regular comments.
Adi347 · 14 points · Posted at 20:39:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a guy in my Cs class who wrote the whole logic behind the program within a series of Try-Catch blocks to ensure it would run. It still baffles me how he managed to get a B in the assignment because holy fuck was it a mess.
SirDale · 2 points · Posted at 06:07:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve written marking schemes for programming assignments and sometimes you get the balance between features wrong.
You end up with goofy programs that you know are shit getting a pass grade but you can’t do anything about it.
My biggest gripes with being an programmer for a decade are, it's horrible for health and it's boring as shit most of the time. I planned out the task and now have to punch the keys for hours with occasional googling, and I can't even turn on a soap opera because I have to keep thinking about this grind.
I'll probably have to use some nature documentaries or something like that.
Edit: oh, and also I've taken the 'work experience instead of college' route, and I regret it every day.
I'm not quite sure what mathematicians do for a living, other than maybe stock market analysis. But afaik discrete mathematics makes one a kick-ass programmer.
Plus I suppose (some) mathematicians still have to code their mathematical stuff—I know for certain that physicists do.
I dunno, I've said that about myself before: I get paid too much for what I do. I mean I'm not wealthy or anything, but as a programmer 90% of my time is low stress, relaxed pace, and pretty easy. And for the 10% of the time when I do have to crunch, the people around me end up giving me way too much credit, like they just watched me perform surgery.
DiddiZ · 3 points · Posted at 23:00:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also exactly knowing what you are doing would entail that you already would have done this before, in which case you wouldn't even have to do anything, thanks to c&p.
Osceana · 30 points · Posted at 20:23:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's so infuriating. 99% of the work I do takes multiple iterations and a TON of trial and error. A ton of work I do is based on frequent lurking visits to Stack or desperately trying to word my problem right for Google to spit out a solution tangentially similar enough for me to jerry-rig into my work. It's basically just hacks on hacks on hacks and none of them come right away.
Oh my god this happened to me last night. I was coding a game for a comp sci project and my dad said,"how come it's taking so long; are you not putting any effort into it?" He has no idea what it's like.
I hate coders that are like this. They're in like the 0.0001% of the population and they don't even know it, worse they attack others because they're not there in the same boat.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 13:19:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My coworker is like this. He's practically a coding savant. Why he's even in our building is beyond me, he could make a quarter of a million easily somewhere else he's that good.
I hate coding when he's watching over my shoulder. First, I can't do anything on a computer when someones watching me, second, I definitely can't code when someones watching me.
I think we all get one of those compiler miracles, but only one. I somehow managed to whip up an assignment for a class back in college and it compiled/ran without even a warning out of g++.
I have never again replicated the feat. :C
Yrvaa · 1 points · Posted at 23:22:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I am, I was just testing you." insert smile here like you said a pun and you're waiting for a laugh "I was curious, what errors did you notice?"
And then they either help, and it makes you better, or they make fools of themselves, and you explain why you did something a certain way.
I think Hollywood Hacking is to blame for this, with a few random keys on an apple macbook with a bunch of stickers on it, you can break down the firewalls of the Pentagon on the first try.
mad0314 · 52 points · Posted at 19:43:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And hacking/security involves some sort of real time cyber chase/battle.
I'm not going to deny that it's often a very bad idea, but templates allow for some really good stuff. You just need to git good, then fail and git gud more and go back to step 1.
dakuzen · 4 points · Posted at 17:28:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blow your cover?
ZakTH · 15 points · Posted at 18:05:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even simple proof of concept stuff usually has some kind of syntax error around line 323 or so that ruins everything. Do people actually think first-run compiled code is all that common though?
It happens to me, but every time it does it's terrifying because incorrect behavior is usually way harder to diagnose and correct than compile errors or run-time errors. I'll take the compiler error.
It it pretty common on basic programming problems so I could see why if they had only done simple stuff like summing stuff.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:25:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on what language and development environment you're using.
C# in visual studio highlights any errors in the code shortly after you make them, so it's easy to correct before you compile. Especially since intellisense fucks up after any mistakes
(Good) IDEs highlight your syntax errors, so by the time I hit compile I know it will execute.
Now of course, whether it will actually do what I want is a different question entirely...
F-0X · 1 points · Posted at 21:54:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you have syntax errors it won't even compile...
makkynz · 7 points · Posted at 23:32:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Point is you wouldn't bother attempting to compile if the IDE tells you there are errors
wut3va · 34 points · Posted at 20:15:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If anything actually compiles on first attempt, I go "oh, shit!" It's not a good thing. Compilation errors are easy. Logic errors are hard to track down. (All code has bugs).
Yeah I'm actually really relieved when I compile and get a syntax error or a mismatched type error, they are usually easy to fix and it feels like I got "my error out of the way" with an easy one, as if there is a big wheel of Fortune type wheel that chooses the error you'll get and I lucked out. I know it doesn't work like that, but it feels like it sometimes.
sross43 · 0 points · Posted at 20:34:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When your program isn't running and you desperately add unneccesary semicolons praying that will magically fix it. "Suppress the output" sobs "Suppress the tears"
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 20:57:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When you’re doing more advanced coding it gets a lot longer, not to mention writing your own functions for that code, so yea when you run a product for the first time and it says error and you’re looking at this monstrosity of 5000 lines code with like 12 to 15 different functions scattered throughout it... the screen outputting an error message isn’t exactly helpful.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:19:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
spec4d · 24 points · Posted at 19:33:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually did that once with a genetic algorithm I was writing from scratch in c++. I think it was 5 pages of code and it's not like I was copying someone elses work or anything though I did have prior experience with similar problems. It actually executed and successfully solved the problem on the first try.... then segfaulted after it was done. SMH
You guys don't use IDE's? Sure, your code may not do exactly what it was supposed to do, but it certainly will compile every time unless you ignore all the warnings.
dubsjw · 6 points · Posted at 20:54:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Visual Studio w/vsVim > VS Code and Visual Studio > Vim
Don’t argue. Just accept fact.
trosh · 1 points · Posted at 00:03:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Typing “don't argue, just accept fact” should make you wonder whether what you think is true or whether you just wish it to be. It never works, and is usually in regards to a very wrong opinion. (Like this time.)
VS is great, but sometimes I want to change one line in one file and recompile and don't feel like waiting 5 minutes to load the sln. If I can do it all from ConEmu that saves time
If you get as far as getting a NullPointerException, then your code has most certainly already compiled!
i-rinat · 1 points · Posted at 20:23:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Since IDE actually use some kind of compiler for online error checking by running it again and again, every your program fails to compile when you're starting to write it. From the first character.
Sure, technically, if you look at it that way. Among all strings that lead up to your final program, most of them probably won't compile.
It wouldn't surprise me, though, if there are some languages out there in which you can write constantly compilable code from the very first character to the last, as long as you do it in the right order.
I am more successful at writing code that executes correctly on first compile than I am at writing an email that makes sense my first try. Code doesn't lie.
Realistically, Mr Robot would have gone like this:
F-society are ready to execute the hack - they enter the command, hit enter, and.... nothing.
Elliot remembers he forgot a semicolon. E-corp are alerted of the attempted encryption of literally all their data and reinforce security measures. Roll credits.
Not true for me. 90% of failed executions are caused when I got partway through writing a solution, realised the correct solution was elsewhere/elsehow and forgot to get rid of the first attempt
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FUCK
isweariread!=:c
georog · 1 points · Posted at 20:47:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope. You'll actually end up on the target_floor or on the floor you started out at. In fact, even if the code was while (floor_number != target_floor) ++floor_number; you'd actually end up at the target_floor. You'd just take a major detour.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:57:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I suppose, it would only take a hundred years or so, no biggie.
georog · 2 points · Posted at 21:15:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on whether you're talking about the actual lift or the while loop. For a 32 bit value the loop would run less than 15 seconds on a modern processor.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:43:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was thinking more of an elevator moving at a few metres per second, if you wanted to cover 4 billion storeys in 15 seconds, you'd be traveling faster than light speed! The transition from Floor 2B to -2B would be rough too
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:09:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well if you're going down, is it still an elevator?
I'm amazed how Elliot in a few hours can code an entire darknet market AND send communication to the authorities, while I'm here debugging hours for that one annoying off-by-one bug.
Some examples of "scripting" languages (e.g., languages that are traditionally used without an explicit compilation step):
Lua
JavaScript
VBScript and VBA
Perl
And a small smattering of ones traditionally used with an explicit compilation step:
C
C++
D
Java (but note that Java is compiled to bytecode, which is then interpreted and/or recompiled at runtime)
Pascal
...and then you have things like Python that sit in both camps: Python is widely used without a compilation step, but the main implementation (CPython) does that by compiling to bytecode on-the-fly and then running the bytecode in a VM, and it can write that bytecode out to files (.pyc, .pyo) for use without recompiling.
I was actually able to do that in a Job Interview, though I was asked to do something I am very familiar with(which was relevant to the job).
I even surprised myself.
yatea34 · 1 points · Posted at 22:20:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Writing code that executes on first compile.
Because you're using the wrong languages and tools.
being able to 'make it' as a musician or actor or many other creative jobs. And by 'making it' I mean being able to earn some serious money or even just to make a living by just performing and not doing anything else.
Most of the time, you will have to have multiple side projects that only roughly are related to actually performing.
Or so I've heard.
If there are people with personal experience in these fields, I'd love to read your comments.
I have a friend that’s an amazing songwriter. He has written with and for many famous bands and artists - lots of people you’ve heard on the radio. He has been nominated for a Grammy twice, once in the last year or two.
He has to work side jobs to make ends meet in between royalty checks. There is just no money in music anymore unless you are Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga.
My brother plays with some of the country's best musicians. He lives with my parents.
[deleted] · 532 points · Posted at 20:23:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a good Netflix documentary called Hired Gun that talks about this very subject. Heartbreaking treatment of some of the best musicians around by people you wouldn't expect to be assholes.
My cousin played with the swinging medallions, toured a decade + with them, never made it out of the parents house long.... double shot of my baby’s love....
You sound like you hate your brother for choosing to follow his dream and be a musician. It could honestly be worse, at least his work is actually used.
I understand that being an artist is risky, but people really underestimate its importance and presence in society. Without art, we wouldn't have cool shows or great video game designs. Imagine a world without music, stories, or the simpsons.
It’s not that he hates his brother (I assume). But he’s right about the reality of being even a semi-successful artist. I work in publishing, and it’s amazing to me how often I see people talk about writing and publishing a book as though it’s their ticket to financial success. Even if you get a book deal, you’re getting a one-time payment of roughly 50k-100k, and that’s before your agent takes their cut. You may never see money after that unless your book earns out its advance, and even then, the money can be minimal (about $2k every six months). It’s not something you can make a living on; you’ll still likely have to have a side job. I’m not surprised that other artistic fields work the same way. People act as though getting a book deal will be their new full time job. In reality, it’s more like beer money on the side.
Touring can pay well but from hearing from an industry professional you basically have to give up a normal like and relationships to do it. Even then I saw a low paying tour basically say don't expect us to get back to you due to the volume of applications.
I know a few guys who were #1 sellers in the 80s and are doing the rounds with again as a 3 or 4 singer supergroup playing their hits in pubs and clubs around the country.
Their band will end up with 50 or 60 gigs a year around my town, and they're paid maybe $300 each a night (guitar, bass, keys, drums). The singers take $1-2k each per night, depending on sales etc
When the head interstate for a weekend of shows, they just hire different local musos
I've seen the same thing. I've seen designers that've worked the Emmy's that live in a single room apartment. Fashion design graduates that've worked/interned fashionweeks "". For me IME, it's mostly fashion but this seems true across the board, especially in entertainment. Being successful in these fields requires an immense amount of talent/luck/networking/business strategy; it's the latter the majority of people usually lack; if you're lucky enough to posses the former.
I read some discussion about artist royalties when Napster was big - something about only 30 bands in the world make money off CD's. For the others, it's just a way to encourage people to attend their concerts. And the number of bands that can pay the bills for the year with one big tour is pretty small.
If he's that well known that he's been nominated for a Grammy twice, and still needs to work side jobs to make ends meet... I'm going to assume he is just choosing to live outside his means.
You're right, most full-time musicians in Nashville live very modest lives. The session players, engineers, hired guns, etc, mostly making middle-class livings.
rex404 · 16 points · Posted at 16:40:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I too live am a nashvillian my friends neighbour is a pretty famous musician and you wouldnt know unless you knew who they were
This is absolutely true. I work for a major record company and during my time here I've seen and interacted with everyone from interns to household name, established artists. Talented people abound, but very, very few make it to the point that they can be considered well off. It's a little disheartening sometimes to hear what some of these people go through, despite being part of the reason for the successes of the Jay-Z's and Beyonces of the world. My heart also goes out to the up and comers, eyes wide open and full of hope, unaware of how difficult it is to make it to the level of success that we see on TV. Inevitably they'll figure it out, and sometimes it's the worst thing to have to see, or hear about.
Tell us a story... what happened when they figured it out? I've heard stories of bands whose posters were proudly displayed in the front office one week, and the next time they go in, it's someone else and they know they're out the door.
Well, to protect privacy I can't go into too much detail, but one artist who was working their way towards "making it" ended up 100% burnt out making a debut album release, said album woefully under-performed, and it led to them leaving the music business completely to become a teacher. They were extremely talented, but just not the right side of marketable. It's shitty but a harsh reality for many in this business.
wip30ut · 4 points · Posted at 20:07:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
that makes sense since the country music scene employs scores of songwriting savants like your pal who just churn out tunes by the dozens. There are so many of them that they literally work as teams to craft numbers for all these acts on the charts (who're supposed to be musicians).
If you write a song that is recorded and sells a million copies, the statutory songwriter rate is 9.1 cents per copy which comes out to $91K for one song, and that isn’t counting the additional amount for synch licensing for use in movies, television, video games, or other mixed media. However, few songs are written by a single person and the money gets divided among all contributing songwriters. Most songwriters realize that a fifth of something they can actually sell is greater than 100% of something they can’t sell.
Also, if it gets decent radio play, he gets decent royalties too. Especially now, in the age of streaming. There are songwriters like Bonnie McKee, Julia Michaels, Sia(yeah she has #1 hits too but we're looking at her like a songwriter rn), etc. who could retire rn with okay investments and live a perfect upper-class life.
I don't want to say which artists because he's my friend and I don't want people to figure out who I'm talking about. The artists I know of that he's written for aren't quite Justin Bieber level, but pretty close. It's definitely bands and singers the average top 40 listener would be familiar with.
Yeah, I was just saying about the Grammys because people forget there are so many categories that aren’t talked about on the news and I’ve met a few people who make music top 40 listeners would not know about, but have a Grammy (which is very cool).
tl;dr the Grammys give out a lot of different awards
The music industry is ungodly twisted imo. The labels and people who do the least amount of work often get paid a vast majourity of the royalties. On every level including national/international acts, labels/promoters work on the promise of exposure and future success instead of paying producers and lower-level performers.
I've experienced it somewhat firsthand, being in a no-name band, but this is also an enormous issue with producers getting ripped off by top 40 pop artist and their labels.
I played and was kinda buddies in a band with a guy who was a member of the most popular pop band of south america. He was paid 300 USD for every show... yes he was playing in like 6-10 shows a week... he did some serious money for being in SA and being only 20, but still after 2 years the band kind of died.
lievein · 2 points · Posted at 23:38:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Die Antwoord
esacbw · 6 points · Posted at 00:58:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some labels are guilty of ripping people off but your comment shows a misunderstanding of how labels work.
Labels are in the business of investing in people. They will spend huge amounts of money to allow you to record your album. They will then spend more time, money and resources to attempt to make your record successful. The reality is, only 1 in 10 will 'make it' for whatever reason.
If the labels didn't make their money back, and make a profit, they wouldn't be able to keep investing and would quickly go out of business.
You also mentioned promoters not paying low-level performers. It is incredibly hard to make a profit on a live show, especially if there's a risk of no-one buying tickets. You'd be surprised how many live music nights make a loss. If a promoter was to pay everyone who performed a gig, the business wouldn't exist to put on the shows.
There's definitely different levels of "local" from the talent show night to the ones who truly know how to sell out every time
esacbw · 1 points · Posted at 17:45:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's no such thing as knowing how to sell out every time. The only way to guarantee a sell out would be to pay an act who should be playing much bigger venues. If a venue does this, then they have to pay an extortionate fee for that act and will still struggle to make any sort of profit
47Ronin · 4 points · Posted at 19:38:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why? Being "well known" isn't the same as getting paid. If he or she wrote a song, sold it for a few hundred or thousand, then was nominated for a grammy, how is that supposed to elevate them above needing other work?
Not saying it's a perfect measurement but according to studies done, the average annual income of a successful songwriter (meaning, someone who actually sells their songs) is $43,000.
Fmeson · 12 points · Posted at 19:45:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For the level of skill and work that requires that is really low. Consider that the top few percent probably make way more than everyone else and pull the average up. If the top 1% makes 2 million a year on average, then the average of the bottom 99% of songwriters is actually $23k.
[deleted] · 32 points · Posted at 16:25:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plenty of money making artists aren't attractive at all though I do agree it helps a lot.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 17:03:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 42 points · Posted at 18:02:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You also have to remember that Taylor's family is independently wealthy and had the means to not only support her endeavors, but also her father and his business partner "invested" in her first album by buying a large majority of them to feign popularity and bring her media attention.
Don't get me wrong, Taylor has hustle and can write songs that truly appeal to people on a personal and commercial level, but her background allowed her to cheat the system a bit.
I'm not a big swift fan because it's not my style of music. Her singing is average and she is hardly a professional level instrumentalist.
But she is easily one of the best pop song writers of this generation. Probably the best, and she deserves lots of credit for her writing ability. It's not just the melody, it's how she handles the bridges etc.
Even though it's not really my style of music, Taylor Swift deserves to be recognized as an amazing pop song writer.
I think swift had a few excellent songs that elevated her to being a mega pop star.
But since then, all her songs are bang average. If she released these songs instead of the stuff off that album with Trouble and 22 on, she'd be nowhere near her current status.
I don't know the names of her albums, sorry. I'm more into Post Hardcore. I do appreciate a good pop song though.
Strangers by Sigrid. Now THAT is a fucking pop song.
The Don't Kill My Vibe EP is unreal. Strangers is well on course to hit the top 10 in the UK after she won Sound of Music. Deserves all of the hype she's about to (and is) getting.
Yep, 'the track was co-written with Harris's then-girlfriend Taylor Swift, who used the pseudonym Nils Sjöberg because they did not want their relationship to overshadow the song'
It's not her lyrics that are so great - I think that depends a lot on whether you like her type of pop music or not. (Although she does do an interesting thing where she switches from between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person point of view during the song, usually at the bridge.)
It's the melodies and the song structures that are impressive.
Bare in mind she was a Nashville song writer before she was a singer. I think she was hired on her first writing team when she was in her young teens.
ktv13 · 2 points · Posted at 21:19:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean don't get me wrong. I generally liked her music early on and I do think she is a talented artist who wrote a ton of her stuff. Especially early in her career. Which is also the songs I like the most. But it feels with every year passing she becomes more generic and whiny as I explained above.
IMO, these are both oversimplifications. Making it in the music industry means several elements in regards to talent, identity, vanity, differentiation, a thousand other things, and most of all, being extremely lucky.
However, money management is important too. I know a guy who plays in a small indie rock band with a following of about 5k and he claims to make $40,000 a year untaxed by touring, selling music on bandcamp, selling merch as well, etc. I can't confirm this is true, but judging from their touring setup, I wouldn't doubt him. Not to mention he has some extraordinary hustle.
As a woman, I can vouch that this is not necessarily about his looks, unless you specifically swoon over every ginger you see. The fact that he has developed talent adds to how attractive he is. His image portrays someome who persues thier passion. And he sings a number of love songs which basically serenade us through the radio. So a bloke who wouldn't typically be rated a ten on an arbitrary scale who is working to improve himself while passionately following what he loves to do, who passionately sings to every woman (who will stop long enough to listen) that she is in fact perfect, might well bump themselves up the desirability scale.
I just googled him. Not feeling the white guy dreads, but his eyes are full of mischief, which I like. Get him a haircut and we're definitely having a conversation.
otterom · 3 points · Posted at 02:35:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, he has money.
There's a lot of guys out there pursuing their passion who don't get a second look because they're broke.
If they were ran side by side in a competition with someone who is exactly like them job, money, looks, demeanour in conversation, then the person pursuing their passion is going to win. Sure life isn't a vacuum like that, but people who do are far more interesting than people who don't.
until you actually see the dude in real life, realize he is maybe 5' 7", dresses horribly, looks slightly homeless, and is not always plugged up to some mic singing. in real life, he looks like the average high school guy.
wip30ut · -2 points · Posted at 20:13:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ed Sheeran rose to fame on the backs of fangirls.... there's a huge overlap in the demo between his early fans and boybands like One D. Ask any university-aged girl today in the UK and they'd freely admit they were swooning over him 5 or 6 yrs.
wip30ut · 7 points · Posted at 20:26:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
i've listened to a couple podscats & vlogs from ppl in the Industry and the general consensus is that Social Media popularity is much more important than anything for artists who want to get signed. There's a huge emphasis by A&R on your metrics and whether you have an established fanbase, on Insta, Soundcloud, youtube, snap, wherever. The music labels aren't really seeking out unique talents or even looks any more. They're seeking thirsty driven social media whores who can bring something to the table. Even someone as talented but lowkey as Khalid wouldn't have broken out if Kylie Jenner didn't share his Location on snap.
It's not fake - I'm a nobody but I've been friends with him since school. I'm not going to try to prove it because I don't want people figuring out who he is.
No. You clearly don't understand the entertainment industry.
Brio_ · 0 points · Posted at 17:27:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but the list of people who HAVEN'T been nominated for a grammy is bigger than the list of people who have. I use my grammys for kindling. I know it doesn't make good kindling but that's how worthless they are.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:06:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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esacbw · 3 points · Posted at 01:11:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
1) Would you prefer a small percentage of people to buy your album once for £10 or would you prefer your album to be accessible by a huge audience who can listen to it an unlimited amount of times over many, many years. There's an argument for both sides of this.
2) Before streaming, if your album became 'successful', a large portion of your audience would download it for free and you'd be paid nothing. Streaming has all but eliminated piracy in music, allowing musicians to make money again.
3) Streaming services can't afford to pay any more than they are already. Spotify had a revenue of €6billion in 2016. 80% of this was wiped out by licensing fees and they made a net loss of €500m.
The statistic you're using is technically correct but misleading.
MrWnek · 4 points · Posted at 19:04:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, he's a writer. So when a song makes money, the record label is going to get the biggest cut. Then you have the artist. After that, the producer. At best, he's probably the 4th guy to get paid and it's probably a fairly low percentage.
Whenever the song is played the songwriter will get money. With streaming, the amount they get is tiny, but with radio and other performances it’s more significant. They get a standard royalty as opposed to being the last in line in a chain of people being paid.
MrWnek · 1 points · Posted at 04:51:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My point remains that its significantly less than what the artist and label make. Granted, Id imagine if its a hit they would make decent to pretty good money.
I have friends in bands who have been together for over a decade, releasing albums and touring all over the US, Canada, Europe and Australia. When they're not on tour, they bartend/wait tables and live with their parents.
The problem is that the money all gets funneled to make a few big pop stars more rich and famous because that makes their recordings and performances more profitable for the record label than lots of smaller artists since the costs are lower for the few. The other artists all get shafted by creative bookkeeping and such by the labels and the royalty collection companies. One of many articles on the subject, though admittedly an emotionally charged article and a little older. There are lots of others out there, though.
I know someone who was nominated for a Grammy for vocal performance. He sang the hook on a really popular song.
At the time he was asked to sing he basically did it as a favour for the producer, didn't think anything of it, and basically did it for cash.
He'd still be making a tonne in royalties today if he had had even the slightest modicum of business sense and signed something. He basically made nothing from being the most iconic part of a huge hit, and he is still struggling to earn a living with music.
People here seem to think I'm suggesting he's broke - that isn't the case. I'm not his accountant or anything, but as far as I can tell he makes a reasonable middle class-ish living off of his craft and has been doing it professionally for more than a decade. It's just that he still has to do other regular jobs to make ends meet. Per the thread subject, having a solid career in the music biz even at a pretty high level artistically and commercially doesn't equate to the kind of fame and fortune people think it does.
Reminds me of a line from Blackbear (songwriter Matt Musto) that reinforces how being on stage is where the $ really is: "Before I started writing records thought this shit had a ceiling" << written after he'd made $ co-writing Boyfriend for Justin Bieber.
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 16:54:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha good! It's been a major concern of mine... those poor millionaire record label owners :P
Quazite · 6 points · Posted at 22:34:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but labels are really becoming obsolete. Most of the stuff they used to offer you can do yourself now so it's not worth cutting your money in half if they don't even hold the keys to the music industry anymore
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 22:45:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Quazite · 2 points · Posted at 02:43:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not at all, but before you were absolutely fucked until a label has eyes on you which isn't true now. You can comfortably survive in the underground with a moderate following and if you do blow up without a label, the money will be enormous.
Labels aren't obsolete, it's just that the services they offer are very expensive because they don't get a whole lot of money out of it either. Nowadays, you have to pretty much let everyone in the world listen to your song for free whenever they want and hope that enough of them like you enough to pay you what is essentially a donation.
Street musicians probably make more money than the vast majority of musicians under various record labels.
But if we're being honest, that's because record owners, songwriters, labels, and musicians don't have great business acumen and still think IP like songs, images, and videos can be bought or sold the way actual products or services can. You think Disney makes all of its money from people buying tickets to fucking Moana? Lol. I can watch pretty much the whole movie whenever I want on youtube through various clips, and half the digital library nowadays is available for $8/month.
Disney will never care that I can see its movies for free once it's recouped the costs of making it. That's not where Disney makes its money.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah it sucks for musicians nowadays, probably more than ever
unless you are super big
Quazite · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're not obsolete yet but it's trending that way. And it's not like they services that they offer aren't helpful it's that you can get them easier without signing away your rights. Macklemore just rented our warner's radio division without signing anything and made thrift shop a hit overnight and had a Grammy by the end of the year. Booking agencies, publishing companies, management companies, music lawyers, ect. can all be found without giving away all of your rights beforehand. Before you just couldn't get in the door without it and now, while still hard, is doable and the ones that have done it are making more money, quicker, than those signed to majors (save the top 10 selling artist out right now that will make swimming pools of money regardless). DIY'ing shit makes you much more money and people are realizing it because you can do it and break into the mainstream now thanks to the internet. That's why unless they get more leverage, labels are going to continue to get less and less popular.
Been following Matt since he did "End of the Road" with Machine Gun Kelly years ago. It's great that he's "made it" and it's cool to see people mentioning him in threads.
Conversely, I have a friend in his late 20s who's in a somewhat famous indie band (nowhere near Grammy-winning) who, through royalty checks alone, has never had a "proper" job in his life. He's not even a particularly "active" artist (last tour was ~3 years ago, last full-length record even longer). Granted he doesn't lead an extravagant life, but the point stands.
r3dm · 8 points · Posted at 22:43:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
sooooo... any tips? how are the royalty checks still coming in if they don't really promote themselves so much (touring)
Getting a presence that still plays your songs on the radio. Some bands are indie, but I just heard Minus the Bear at a coffeeshop the other day. It's an old song and was only popular in Indie circles, but that shit gets played a lot. Not that the song is shit, it's fucking great, but longevity is getting accepted by the people who will listen to it over and over again. $30K in royalties worldwide for moderately popular band that is still played on satellite and radio isn't impossible. It sure ain't easy though, or everyone would be doing it.
He's on a popular indie label, and his first record had some popular songs (popular enough that if you liked hip guitar music in the early 2010s you've definitely heard a couple of them). I didn't mention this earlier but he's the sole songwriter for the group too, so he's the only one collecting the checks. I'm sorry to say that I don't really have any tips. I'm in a far less popular band and I have to work full-time haha.
Klums2 · 25 points · Posted at 16:31:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do think there is a difference between being a songwriter and being a musician that goes on tour, though. With the creation of Spotify as well as the availability of illegal downloads, touring is definitely the primary source of income for a lot of musicians.
I've read a lot that royalties from actually selling music isn't even what brings in the money for the big artists. Most of their fortune comes from playing live shows and touring, with each venue paying them a heavy booking cost. While it may not always be mega millions, I can think of a good amount artists who aren't super crazy famous that still make very fair amounts just by touring and playing shows 365 days a year, sometimes 2 shows a day.
For this reason I don't see the writers, audio engineers, composers etc. ever making big bucks unless you're in the very top handful that get huge fame off of it. Which does suck since a lot of times those are the people that do most of the work.
Quazite · 5 points · Posted at 22:37:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah while there isn't any money in royalties anymore, live Music is booming more than it ever has in history before. While Spotify and Apple Music drives royalties down, it allows EVERYONE to be a music fan, not just those that save their money for records. Plus it makes it easier to personalize music tastes so the radio isn't everyone's tastemaker, which actually helps out smaller artists a lot. You just gotta tour for your money now.
Actually, there is some research on this. The average full-time musician has roughly the average American income - with some outliers at the top income bracket.
Point is, you need to make it so far that you can actually work full time as a musician. When you spend only a couple of hours per week on your music - some hours practicing, a few gigs per year and a few recording hours in the studio - then it is rather unlikely that you earn something comparable to a full-time wage.
So it basically is a winner-takes-it-all situation: You either make it so far that you can be, say, a fully employed orchestra musician, a member of a high-in-demand band, or a full-time music teacher - or music will remain your hobby.
There's no money in producing music but there's plenty in being in a reasonably popular cover band. If you stay domestic 60 - 80k a year isn't unimaginable.
If you go to holiday resorts and work hard you can clear over 6 figures a year doing it.
It's not my profession but have friends who have a residency in Tenerife and play back in Ireland in the off season and do pretty well out of it.
himit · 3 points · Posted at 21:53:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a family member who was an ensemble dancer in a Broadway show for a few years. She now works in real estate in Manhattan. She teaches dance on the weekends...because she loves it, not because she needs the money. Hopefully your friend works at a high end restaurant and makes decent money.
seanmg · 8 points · Posted at 17:22:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This situation drives me crazy.
I don’t want to just plug my stuff, but solving this problem but educating musicians on the “new” game and organizing them into communities has been the focus of a live-streaming project I’ve been working on the for the last few years. It’s still very early but the Austin music community has really warmed up to the idea, and we’re starting to find and develop independence in the music world again. Fuck record labels.
We’re trying to teach them how to stream, how to interact with a digital audience, giving them quality audio and video recordings of their music to help promote themselves, and just bought a record cutter to try to do small batch live to record performances that we auction off to support the local music community.
This is awesome. One of the (many) reasons I look up to Jason Isbell is his remaining a truly independent artist. There are so few once you get to a certain level, and I'm very much for artist's freedom as the output is usually much better.
seanmg · 2 points · Posted at 23:19:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know him! I'll check him out. It feels like that type of artist is starting to grow, and I hope it continues to grow.
He's probably the best songwriter going today. Critically acclaimed Americana/Rock & Roll. Check out his album Southeastern which was his first self-released album.
It's not much better for writers, I know a few who have been publishing steadily for decades, one of them quite popular, who still have financial issues and are basically lower-middle-class in income.
I actually covered this in class recently, apparently, back when physical CDs/Vinyl etc were the primary source of music sales, for every million copies sold a songwriter would get around $45k in royalties.
Now with everything being predominantly online based, for every 1 million streams they get $35 in royalties. They've lost almost 100% of the royalties they would receive.
Very true and it also doesn't take into account people who would stream a song multiple times but only buy a physical copy once. It is a flawed metric but I think it does explain for the most part why songwriters have seen such a massive fall in the income they receive royalty wise
I've suspected this has become the case over the years. Sad to hear people who create mediums that entertain millions barely scrape by unless they are the next Bieber/T-Swift/etc
Eh. Why should you get millions for being part of the fake pop industry? One person throws in a beat, the other throws in a few lyrics. The label forces it into the mainstreams. The singer stands in a booth for a few hours & then a producer fixes up their voice with auto tune. this was coming when everything started getting faker.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:15:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd love ti see statistics but I'd guarantee that rock music is bought a hell of a lot more than pop music. People spend absolutely tonnes on packages these days. They don't just buy the cds but they buy the shirts and vinyl and stickers than come in the 100 dollar packages. Pop music fucked itself. It doesn't have enough substance in it for people to actually pay for it. It exists by selling people as products.
fair yeah but not crazy wealth like Taylor Swift or Hilton. Some parents sacrifice a lot to send their kids to expensive schools. I went to some, and knew some kids whos parents were working class they just spent a crapload on their kids tuition.
I'd have to disagree. You need to take the "chance the rapper" approach and sell merch and be aggressive in having a home grown fan base. You can't rely on all these big name studios
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:50:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately, you need to sign to a label unless you want to pay for everything. Producers, features, audio engineers, tour bus, hotels, writers, photographers, etc. I have many physical albums(all hip hop) and you’d be surprised at how many people need to get paid to make an album.
Producer here! By all means, take it as you please. I earn nothing off of spotify streams and noone actually buys songs anymore. More people sharing your music that they pirated and getting the word out is thousands of times better for an artist than the $1 that we'd make off of a couple thousand listens on spotify.
Well, there just isn't money in writing songs any more. I wouldn't necessarily say there's no money in the music industry right now though.
The problem for someone like your friend (a songwriter/composer) or for audio engineers (like me) is that the vast majority of the money in music right now is made from live performances. For example, many famous musicians (from pop to rap to electronic music) will make thousands of dollars per show every night. it's common for big name rappers or DJs to make $50,000 for a single show, or for big pop stars to recoup millions upon millions of dollars from their world tours.
The problem with this model is that it rewards performance, not artistry (whether it's songwriting or audio production). So unfortunately for audio guys, we have to work with a hugely successful artist in the studio or go on tour and do live sound to make a good living (or do audio work for film, games, tv, advertising, etc.).
I'm also an independent musican, so I feel for your friend. If I wanted to make a living as a musical artist, I would have to resign myself to not only making music I am satisfied with (for personal reasons, I guess if you want to sell out that is your own decision), but also work at cultivating a public image and going on tour often enough to satisfy my fanbase and make ends meet - which for many aspiring artists, means living like shit for years, touring 3-9 months a year, until you are at the point where you can comfortably tour once a year or play a couple festivals and make all the money you need.
MpVpRb · 5 points · Posted at 16:41:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a friend that’s an amazing songwriter
My friend has written over 1000 songs. In the 70s was the leader of the highest paid and highest rated band in town that came really, really close to a record deal..
Now, he's nearly homeless
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:11:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
wat happened
MpVpRb · 3 points · Posted at 00:17:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The record company only wanted him, not the band
So he broke up the band and moved to LA
He sold one song, then the deal evaporated
He discovered how hard it was to be a working musician in LA.. the best musicians from all over the world come to LA to become stars
He got addicted to meth
He got divorced, wife took everything
He kicked meth while living in a room in my house
He has very bad health problems
So sad
One of my best and oldest (met in 1967) friends
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:33:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about for the larger alternative bands? Bands like foster the people, grouplove, the Neighbourhood, bands that have pretty good followings but you don't really hear on the radio. What kind of money do the
y make?
Same with writing. The world belongs to the 1% and they ain't giving it back.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:21:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hate to be the one who asks this but how did your friend get into that? I'm pretty happy programming computers and all but I've been writing songs as a hobby for over a decade and I would kill to get that kind of work, even at a super low level of recognition.
He was always a really talented songwriter even in school. Just one of those guys that had "it" and everyone could tell. While he was in college he met an up and coming artist and wrote a song for/with them which led him to other writing gigs. It was just a perfect combination of talent and luck I think.
I don't think there is less money in music today than 20-30 years ago, I'd argue that there is a lot more, it's just more of it is going to record labels and streaming services
Maybe live music, but I don't know a single person spending more money on recorded music today than they did in the 90s.
I remember buying a $23 CD from an actual record shop for one fucking song. I was sixteen years old at the time and making $6 an hour at a pizza shop after shcool. Before tax of course.
I chose to work from 4:30-10:30pm on a Friday night instead of going out with my friends so that I'd have the privilege of being able to play Lit Up by Buck Cherry in my car whenever the fuck I wanted to hear it.
I have a little bit of experience in this. The way songwriting royalties work, is you sign to a publishing company based on your merit as a writer/producer. The publishing company takes ownership of everything you write, pays you a percentage of the money (usually 50%) of your royalties, then keeps the rest. When you write a hit, the publishing company goes to the label and sells it to them for one of their artists to record and perform. Many songs have multiple songwriters/producers (producers also count as songwriters) and that 50% of the royalty pie that gets assigned to the actual creators gets divided among all of them. This leaves very little money for the individual songwriter. Also, due to the music climate, hits only get major play time for at most a year, unless its an absolute smash. This leaves songwriters with very little consistent income unless they are writing/producing major hits all the time like the heavy hitting producers.
Oh, it's definitely about cars, but I just meant the idea that he is rich enough to actually buy the things instead of renting it is a brag. I assumed all these rappers were actually buying these things.
"fuck the videos with the Benzes
And the cellular phones, spending hundreds like quarters
The Benz is they partner's, the money's on loan, and umm...
The cellular number you have reached is out of order."
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:53:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think OP is exaggerating, you can still make a decent amount after a couple hits. If your songs blow up, you get signed to a label depending on how much they think you’re worth. Also, rappers waste a lot of money and have rentals too.
But also think of how many rappers are ACTUALLY able to afford a high end lifestyle with music. Even if you say 200 people, that’s very small.
"There is just no money in music anymore unless you are Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga"
okay, im not a musician. but that's just not true.
the chances of getting studio time or any airplay are pretty small and there are a lot of bands/musicians to compete with. so it's unlikely that any one given band will "make it big".
but there are thousands of venues to play 2-3 hour sets at. the restaurant i used to work at would pay $500 a night for performers. it isn't an easy industry but it's totally feasible for someone to make money playing several small gigs.
I don't know. From what he's told me it's very feast or famine - gets a $10k check one day then won't get anything for months and months - something about how the royalty payout system works. I don't really know that much about how the music biz works honestly.
The money comes from touring. He'd be better off writing for and promoting himself
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:28:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
DJing can make you some good money. I made probably like 3K doing it last year, and I'm a newbie and only get gigs occasionally doing weddings and stuff. If you market yourself well enough to make even a small name for yourself, you can make a lot. It's my life's goal lol.
He is I guess with some of them but I'm just friends with him and not in the music industry. Seems like the best way to lose his friendship would be to start using him to meet famous people and I value being his friend more than I value meeting some famous person for bragging rights. I just enjoy the stories vicariously
The money comes from performing, not from recording or writing. Notice how the price of concert tickets has risen dramatically, and that many artists tour every year, even without a new album? Yeah, that's because it's how they're making their money.
I’d like to think the fact that he isn’t a performer plays into this. Rappers with relatively small followings can live off of performances which removes the dependency on Royalty checks. Maybe if he performed his situation wouldn’t be as dire?
There's significant money in touring. A lot of places that are not traditionally music venues want live music. Lower your standards and you can actually make a basic living playing music.
One of the regulars at the bank I work with is a famous composer. Worked on the soundtracks to many movies like Willy wonka, does Broadway shows all the time, and has won every award he can in his profession. Still has to take on side jobs and lessons just to be able to live
Just gonna throw this out there, but as a former DJ, something I learned wayyyyy too late was that spending the coin for a marketing campaign can really make or break your career. Has your friend tried that?
Oh, it helps a lot. What I realized after I stopped playing is that being skilled is valuable. But someone who’s got a lot of buzz and can pack a club or venue is even more valuable. From what I learned, putting the money into marketing your talent, rather than hoping to get noticed by someone, actually yields good return on investment.
I used to do sound for the local folk-music society, and one of our performers had a bumper sticker on his car that said "Real musicians have day jobs"
Nilirai · 1 points · Posted at 20:56:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There is just no money in music anymore unless you are Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga. Touring
FTFY, you don't have to be Gaga or Swift to make money as a musician. You have to tour your ass off. Gone are the days of living off album sales alone.
htthdd · 1 points · Posted at 21:07:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once knew a waiter who had penned a few songs for Celine Dion, I was shocked to learn that hadn't made him an instant millionaire.
quavex · 1 points · Posted at 21:16:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's lots of money in music. Just not for the performers.
No idea. I guess they spend that first big royalty check on all that crap so they can show off. Or maybe it’s all fake...
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:57:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on the rapper. If there’s a rapper doing that with 500k followers, you can assume they get paid a couple grand a show. If you have about 2 mil-4 mil followers, I’m assuming you’re popular enough to make anywhere from 20k-100k a show(70-100k being festivals).
I work next to a Sundance winning director on a truck.
Quazite · 1 points · Posted at 22:31:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's not true, it's just not in royalties. All the money is in live performance and publishing, but you have to grind REALLY hard to set it up where you can support yourself off of those things.
dpwtr · 1 points · Posted at 22:42:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's plenty of money in music, just not in songwriting.
Video killed the radio star,
and digital killed the musical star.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:15:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know the guys in a band who have been Grammy nominated in the past 5 years, and can verify this being true. It's unbelievable how much money there isn't in music.
There never was. At least not for the artists, much like there was no money in the gold rush for the gold diggers but plenty for the ones selling equipment and booze to the gold diggers.
Are you sure? He might just be being ripped off. Song writers are supposed to get about 70 percent of the money from songs & therefore should make mega money off one hit.
Edit. I know a band that had one small radio hit in Aus & they all regularly got big checks. They broke up & just enjoyed their checks.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:46:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The demand for sound design appears to be growing slightly faster than the national average. This is what I'm going into, I can immerse myself in music, but my skills will be needed other places. Seminars, concert halls, anything with a speaker really. It also opens up the door for free lance work. Mixing, producing, etc.
I'd like to try to have a career in the near future that involves sound. That way I can use the skills i work on everday in my offtime making music to help my make money in a career, even if it's only tangentially realated. I'd love to hear more about your plan and what you do! What do you mean by sound design?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:14:40 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well I use it interchangably with audio engineering, but it's pretty much the technological side of things. Mixing and mastering tracks through a digital audio workstation, setting up studios, being the guy that sits at the sound booth during concerts and keeps the audio clear and balanced. It could also be a tech guy in music stores or the people who build things like guitar pedals like at Earth Quaker Devices (Akron Ohio shout out!)
My plan right now is to first get my general classes out of the way. I'm getting my degree in liberal arts at a community college and I hope to transfer those credits To a larger school while at the same time achieving a nice GPA so I can get better scholarships and grants.
I'm also getting a guitar instructor and just started vocal lessons. Ideally I want a nice thorough understanding of my instrument while gaining new skills. I plan on picking up piano soon too.
I've looked at Berklee College of Music in Boston for my bachelor's but I'm not sure yet. I know it sounds like I'm doing a lot here but it's so much easier than sitting around once you start, I promise.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:36:00 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I should also say the reason I'm looking specifically at music schools is so I can make connections in the industry early. Just do your research on each individual school before hand. Something like The Art Institutes is something to stay away from.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Missed a golden opportunity to share a link. But it's too late now.
Could be worse. I have a friend who is also an amazing song writer, and just generally the most talented person I have ever met. And the last I knew, he was working at McDonalds.
esacbw · 1 points · Posted at 00:51:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like he's got a contract with a major Publisher which means he won't be receiving full royalties and most of the money will be going towards recoupment of what they've invested in him to write/record all of his tracks. His situation might change in the next few years, especially if some of the songs you mention are big enough.
You don't have to be Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift to make music your profession. They earn obscene amounts of money and there are thousands of people who make it work as a full time job.
Nearly every professional musician (I'm talking classical music) I know teaches lessons as back up income. Most couldn't make it without it. Many teach at multiple different colleges.
Yeah, I was thinking about classical musicians I know, and they seem to live /decently/ by just playing in two orchestras, playing at weddings, and teaching. The playing at weddings seemed to be a pretty decent chunk (I mostly know strings players).
My brother is a back up french horn player for the orchestra here in Ottawa and the money is actually very good.
I think 3rd horn makes around 100 000$
1st horn makes over 150 000$
Big orchestras receive ridiculous amount of donations from old white rich people.
The amount they receive in donations covers all their expenses and salaries, the ticket sales go straight to profit.
The only real bad side to this business is that you might have to do 10-15 years of auditions to maybe get a full time job in an orchestra. Its highly competitive, if you're not very very good, forget it.
tjt5055 · 44 points · Posted at 18:34:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad is a professional French horn player, too, and makes enough through the orchestra alone. Now, he'll do side projects, but that's for creative reasons rather than financial.
Phil Meyers, who was First Horn in the NY Philharmonic until very recently, and is widely considered the best in the world, was making close to $500,000.
Also, the hours that most classical musicians put in from an early age often dwarfs those of popular musicians. Those orchestra jobs are very tough to land.
Especially if you have one city in mind, my brother really wants to stay in Ottawa and just waits for one of the regular horn players to either die or retire lol
He's not event guaranteed to land the full time job after because orchestras love doing international auditions, so you end up competing against the world :P
But in term of salaries, classical musicians can make a living for sure.
tjt5055 · 16 points · Posted at 19:12:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah you have to be willing to move. My dad moved all the way to Europe in the 1980s in order to have a full-time gig and he's still there.
His brother subbed in the NY Phil for years and then didn't get the full-time job when it finally opened.
My brother says he's sorry for you and that he's willing to bet 5$ you're talking about LA Phil hahaha
This is so common, its suppose to be impartial but people on the committee know exactly who's playing if you ever sub, they know your sound and all.
Its kinda funny, from an outsider perspective having heard many stories, I believe over 40% of orchestra jobs were obtained from direct result of one person sleeping with another lol
Jortz · 2 points · Posted at 04:54:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
While you're right, that's much easier said than done. Tanglewood and comparable music festivals are extremely competitive, and often very pricey as well
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Jortz · 2 points · Posted at 07:39:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I completely agree, this is all accurate. Festivals are often game changers for pre professional classical musicians. Supplementing a conservatory education with them in the summer is the only real way to be competitive
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tjt5055 · 6 points · Posted at 21:58:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad has been with the same Orchestra for 35 years.
He has probably taken 30 auditions over the years for other gigs, and has never landed one. He was invited to the NY Philharmonic audition this spring, but he knows he's not getting it.
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tjt5055 · 5 points · Posted at 02:12:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He knows the entire section and has been recording chamber music with them for years.
It's a courtesy invite. They're looking for somebody young and up-and-coming. My dad has one foot in retirement and with his pension, is looking to take on more composing commissions actually.
If you're not a string player, the NFL is a more realistic goal than a full-time orchestra. Then there's the whole audition process and the issues of fairness...
String player here. It's quite wasy honestly to make a decent amount of money doing just this. This is my plan for awhile. My ex girlfriend was making a great amount of money teaching. She's also insanely good at everything. You have at be at a very high level to be "competitive".
It's not about competition in my opinion. There are avenues that have been barely explored in the music world. Anything is possible as long as you keep working.
Or (if they're smart) to build up a retirement fund. Even if you land a cushy orchestra job it's still an incredibly competitive spot and you may not keep it for too long.
My parents are classical musicians (well mom retired this last year because she has Alzheimer's) both of them taught/ teach lessons-- mom had as many as 18 students at a time. Dad has fewer private students but taught for Cal Berkeley, now teaches for Stanford, and some local elementary schools. those lessons are what keep us afloat. (and when i was a kid, it was that they scored gigs playing for Phantom of the Opera)
Guy I know who played in a small band that gigged on weekends taught private lessons to well-off kids. He was a good guitarist. That's all he did, and I bet he made 1k+ a week.
Not a bad life. That was a few years back and I'm not sure if he's still doing the band thing or not.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 18:04:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well to be fair, unless you're a drummer thats a celebrity yourself (like Quest Love, for example) you're doing workshops. Like name any band. Their drummer is doing workshops.
Well that's a special case. I know a guy who, while he was breaking into the film industry as a PA, working his way up to AD, would typically work like mad for a month or two while he was on a shoot, then collect unemployment in between. It was more or less by design. He was doing fine, not uncomfortable at all. The ability to collect unemployment was intentionally part of his financial planning.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 00:45:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, freelance people in Hollywood go on unemployment between jobs pretty much as a matter of course. A lot of work is project based and you don't know when your next paycheck will be, so you get your unemployment for a few weeks and then go off when you start getting paid again.
missrex · 3 points · Posted at 23:19:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s pretty much all of Hollywood in a nutshell.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:15:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My guitar teacher goes on tours often and is in a somwhwat popular band. The only one with a lot of money in the band is the singer.
DocHoss · 3 points · Posted at 19:45:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm one of the rare ones who not only got to play professionally, but played in a touring group that played classical music. All my friends do exactly what you mentioned and I'm now in IT. Strange world...
My dads a percussionist in the LA Philharmonic and it’s his full time job. Although the amount of auditions and hoops he jumped through to finally end up there sounds like it relied as much on pure luck as it did on talent. The world of classical music is the most competitive place I can think of.
Joylime · 1 points · Posted at 05:49:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Teaching is not shabby income, though. And it's actually related to your field of expertise, which is amazing. Source: Am private teacher with 25 students and 2 performance degrees.
Its survivorship bias, you'll only hear about the few that succeed but not the many who didn't. It's a shame because I believe there are many geniuses that is waiting to be discovered or got the shit end of the stick.
That is exactly the term I was waiting for! I think so, too. And we dont need to only look at musicians or actors.
Just take a look at how many failing Let's-Play-Channels there are on YouTube.
That's true, I was generalizing it. It happens in all field whether in arts or academia.If those people had better chances and luck the world would be a nicer place.
I've been a fan of let's play channels, game streams from back in the jtv days, and other youtube game channels and the biggest reason I see people fail is because they think they'll get recognized and partnered within the first year. The people that are really passionate about it will not only make content regardless if they get paid, but they'll always try to bring the best quality possible.
One channel or group of channels I like to think about is KYR Sp33dy & the CR3W they’ve been making videos and peaked during black ops 2 release and now they’re barely reaching 70k views, which is still a lot but not nearly what they used to get.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:37:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Channels on Youtube where people play games with commentary over them and earn money from advertising revenue or merchandise. There's a few really successful ones bringing in $1m+ in revenue per year. It sounds a little ridiculous if you're not into them, but even I've found a few I really enjoy and I'm not a gamer.
If you've heard of Pewdiepie or Achievement Hunter those would be examples
Well the way I see it, when it comes to actors, I think about the sheer volume of times I’ll watch a commercial or some day-time soap opera or see a billboard on the highway. All of those things that seem to be insignificant to me had a massive number of people involved in them.
So an actor that really loves their job can get low level work can likely make a small living without actually “making it”.
It's a shame because I believe there are many geniuses that is waiting to be discovered or got the shit end of the stick.
They're called trust fund kids and/or the children of established artists.
There's this diversity problem in Hollywood that almost everyone really does want to do something about, but the only voices that can stick around long enough to "make it" are voices would don't have to pay their own rent. It's why all TV apartments are massive and cheap, and why characters can get fired and spend half a season finding themselves without facing homelessness.
You're describing characters, not actors. Tv apartments are big because people like to see them that way and it gives a designer more room to work with. Not to mention that fitting a camera crew into a small space is incredibly hard and limiting. People on tv can spend half a season unemployed because they're written to. Most decently successful actors work their asses off to be that way. I'm not talking about A list celebrities, but people who get steady enough work to make it their primary work. The reality is that most people in this field who fail do so because of a lack of motivation and networking. People who are not actors have a very different definition of "making it" than actors do.
Source- I'm an equity Membership Candidate who made about half of my income last year from theatre and film work, living in Oklahoma and while a full time college student.
Source- I'm an equity Membership Candidate who made about half of my income last year from theatre and film work, living in Oklahoma and while a full time college student.
Oh kiddo, that's cute. I'm not sure if you understand how insulting you are to me and my fellow SAG actors out here in Hollywood with your ignorant little comment.
I DARE you to come to a real market with only your acting skills to pay the rent.
But hey, maybe you're right. I'm older than you, I work in these spaces you pretend to understand as an actor and a grip, I've been in this business in LA for years and I've seen soooo many people like you come here with that big ego who think they're special.
Talent and hard work are not what allows you to stay in the market and maybe one day do the thing you love full time. Those are prerequisites.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tbh, as someone who used to think I could make it in the arts, I only ever heard about the many people who didn't make it. So I eventually gave up.
With real dedication, even in an industry as competitive in music, success isn't as lofty a goal as many make it out to be. There's a few problems with the current perception people tend to have. First, "success" usually gets defined as "sell a million albums and get famous," which is the same definition of success as "get hired for the best law firm in the country" for a lawyer -- it's unrealistically high, you don't need to do all that to be successful. Then you have a mountain of self-taught musicians looking to "make it" without any intensive training or study, hoping to get by on talent and casual practice. Talent is nothing if it isn't honed, and many people who want music to be their profession don't study it like you would for any other profession, so you see a disproportionately large number of people totally failing. Finally, the big problem here is that there's many who achieve success, but the payout just isn't what it should be.
It's not super common that you see someone who is just a composer, for example. You can get your work performed by some of the biggest universities and professional orchestras in the country (which is a massive success by anyone's definition), but that's only one performance, and it'll only pay the bills for so long. So even some of the most successful ones are also performers, teachers, or have side work entirely unrelated to music. Writing more stuff like that takes time, so you have to find other income in between to stay comfortable, unless you're sufficiently big enough that composition money is all your need until your next project is done. Replace composer with performer, songwriter, and so on, it holds true across the board.
Hate to sound like your dad but as a middle-aged former music major, I urge you to switch degrees to something practical that you can earn a living with. You don't need a film degree to be a screenwriter. Reach for the stars, but if that doesn't pan out having a CS degree or something that will get you a job couldn't hurt.
I can't do something I'm not interested in. I physically can't. The only good grades I get are in film because I love it. I love psychology and wanted to have it as a minor, but I couldn't do it because my heart wasn't in it. I'm halfway through my third year and have never been as happy as I've been. My tuition is paid by the government these past three years, so I'm not going to waste it by paying for a degree I don't care about. ADHD sucks.
No, I don't need a film degree, but I've learned a LOT about writing while here. I've made connections. I have a job on campus because of it. Maybe I'll regret it later, but I'm happy now and that's what matters. I know it's morbid, but if this doesn't work out, I've already decided on killing myself.
Hey, let's stop the conversation here. I know you want to help, and I thank you for trying, but this is honestly giving me some very bad thoughts. But again, thank you for trying. I hope life is good for you :)
Whoa whoa man - don't kill yourself please. No career success or failure is worth that. I wasn't trying to be negative just trying to give a practical perspective. Hey, if you're getting a free ride then go for it! As you said, the one important gift you get from film school is connections and relationships which will be invaluable to your career. And if things don't work out as you planned, life isn't over. My career didn't go the way I planned but I love my life and family anyway and I'm very happy.
Seriously though if you're having suicidal thoughts please seek counseling. There will always be ups and downs in any career path but none of them are worth that. Treasure your life. Be well.
Don't listen to zardoz on giving up your dream... Obviously zardoz cares more about having a "normal" life than pursuing a life in the arts, which, if you are not exubarantly successful, is massively looked down on. He needed to settle down.
Not all of us do. Some of us have something to fucking say, something to fucking share, something burning that won't let us settle.
Treasuring your life is great advice from him. Mental health is NOT the same as giving in to the lie that is the American Dream.
Do not kill yourself. You are going to die anyway. Life takes care of your death. Zardoz is going to die too, with his wife and his kids, and maybe his grandkids, but definitely his regrets.
What you need two things, my friend: Learning every goddamned thing there is about writing that you possibly can. And not just screenwriting. Aristotle. Shakespeare. Great literature. Story structure. You must be a scientist and a student and a a lover of telling stories.
The other thing is practicing what you learn. That is the only way to become better, and the only way to create a community around yourself of other filmmakers. You must write endlessly, share your work with those you respect, get lots of critical feedback, re-write, get your work produced, whether that means producing and directing it yourself or pitching it to every filmmaker you know.
You will not succeed unless you work very hard AND get yourself out there. Choosing this life means massive sacrifice. Zardoz obviously wasn't up to task, but that doesn't mean you have to be.
Ask yourself, is it worth it to be (thought of as) the scum of the world if you get to do what you love and what your heart says you must do? Or do would you rather live a regular old life, lying to yourself that it's ok that you gave up?
Do your best, have a lot fun, don't lie to yourself or others no matter how tempting, and stay away from negative influences. Then nothing can stop you.
This pains me to read. :( The biggest regret of my life is that I didn't go to art school and got a computer science degree instead. I have cried over the fact that I missed out on growing and developing alongside people who share my passion, cried over the fact that I wasted so many years in an environment that made me suppress who I am.
Got a job as a game developer right out of university. But I hated programming so much. I was literally dying there, I got anorexia to cope with the stress, I went right into a burnout so quickly. Lost my job after half a year. Then got a job as a tester, which I liked a little better I guess, but had to leave after half a year as well. Got another job as a tester, but the environment at this company vs the previous one was so uninspiring to me that I got a bore-out alongside the eating disorder and burnout I already had. Eating disorder changed to bulimia, gained a lot of weight, felt even worse. A couple of months ago I called in sick. I haven't gone to work since. Obviously they're not going to extend my contract either, so I'm leaving again in two months. This work is killing me. I can't do it anymore.
I've been attempting to recover for about a year, and basically what it comes down to, is that I lost a big piece of myself choosing CS over my true passion. I now have to work to get that back, and it's really hard. I'm useless right now. I can't do anything. But after I beat this sickness, I am going to pursue illustration and comics. I feel like there's no other choice for me. I have to, or either I'm going to off myself, or my eating disorder is.
I hate that I can't get the years back I lost, I hate that I never got to experience art school, and I hate that I never got to meet all the wonderful people there. All I can do now, is choose the right path going forward. I'd rather be an illustrator and have a job on the side as, I don't know, a mail deliverer/waitress, than have a decent and secure income as a software tester or programmer.
Well, I guess the thing all of us can keep in mind is that it’s never too late to change course. If your job is that defeating then definitely do something else.
I’m just the flip side of the coin I suppose. I went to university for a music degree in the 90s with parents that were very supportive - everyone told me I could do whatever I set my mind to. But after graduating I discovered I had a degree that was semi-worthless and couldn’t figure out what to do, so I went to grad school and wandered aimlessly for a bit thinking I might teach - but then discovered I hated teaching and endless research and left. I ended up as a landscaper which is what I’ve been doing for the last 10 years. Working outside was great for a while but now I’m 40 and everything’s starting to hurt and I’m realizing I can’t do this into retirement. So now I’m learning Ruby on Rails at 40 hoping to land a junior dev job, probably competing with people half my age.
I don’t really regret my choices in life - they’ve made me who I am. But sometimes it sure would’ve been nice to have options when it came time to put food on the table. Getting an arts degree didn’t leave me with many options.
Don't give up. I was also a film major. I graduated in 2004 and wrote my first feature screenplay in 2008. I'm now a full time writer/director and I've now even sold that first screenplay. It is possible. P.M me if you want. Good luck!
*shrug I dunno it seems to me that could really hurt you in the long run depending on how you define "give up".
Obviously never just abandon your passion but if you are pinning all your hopes and life on "making it" and aren't prioritizing a reasonable income generating career over what will likely only ever be a hobby you are taking a serious risk to your very survival.
Always Try, you could be the next big thing to happen but have a realistic backup plan.
If OP has no dependents then fuck it, might as well gamble on a dream. I did the opposite, and my dream wasn't even particularly lofty, I just went into a field I figured was more lucrative and challenging and prestigious (IT) than what I was interested in (criminal justice and law enforcement). The money is good, the job is stable, and I really do not enjoy it at all.
Nearly nobody enjoys work, the real issue is if the work is tolerable for the $ you receive in exchange. If it's not then quit. It really is that simple imo.
Well yeah, and it's not intolerable, but I'd probably exchange a good chunk of it for something I abso-fucking-lutely love. So long as I'm not destitute, I can make things work.
I personally suspect that the "perfect life doing something you love" is basically a Hollywood myth. Technically true for a insanely small fraction of people but not an achievable reality regardless of effort for the overwhelming majority.
Perfection in general is a meme. Most of us are going to be average in one or more elements of our lives. It's definitely a Hollywood myth and one that I think is deeply affecting our culture and could become a crisis. If everyone is striving for something unattainable, there's going to be a lot of disappointment and sadness.
Everything in life is about trade-offs. I know that if I do pursue one of those dreams I mentioned, I'll be sacrificing time and / or money but in turn may get higher satisfaction or a better sense of purpose. Others don't really care about that and see a job as a job, you put in your 40 hours and do what you love outside of work. That's fine too.
Nah man, the story I’ve been writing for seven years saved my life. It’s the reason why I didn’t kill myself a while ago.
I’m not trying for some NEXT WEEK ON SEASON 8 OF GAME OF THRONES big hit. A small fandom is a-okay with me.
For me, life is about finding what you enjoy and sharing it. If I can’t do what ai love as a career, there’s no point in living. I’d rather die than be in a career I semi enjoy and write as a hobby.
You're so inspiring. 😭 I wish I followed my dreams right away like you did. I'm making a change right now, but I've gotten into a lot of hardships before realising that a life in computer science was literally killing me. It's going to be a while before I recover from all the shit I've been dealing with. However, knowing that I will pursue illustration, comics and fan merch after recovery, is giving me hope and strength.
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, it's really easy to land a decent paying job with a CS degree. But if you're doing work 40 hours a week that makes you feel miserable, that drains you so much that you don't have energy left at the end of the day to work on your passion... Then there's not really much of a point.
I recently discovered several really creative people I would've never guessed were majoring in any science are CS majors. These are artsy kids who never once expressed an affinity for anything related to computers or science in the 12+ years I've known them lol. I was tempted to follow suit, seeing how successful my sister is after graduating with a CS degree not even from a school with a particularly good department and landing a great job, but I'd much rather try for something I'm actually passionate about (or at least think I am right now), yanno? And that major was brutal for my sister, a smart straight A very science-oriented student, I can't even imagine how those kids are going to deal when it starts kicking up a notch. I'd advise them to switch, but they have to make that decision for themselves so I'll support them until (or if) they decide they gotta live their lives how they want, not how they're expected to. Of course, it's possible one of them discovers a passion in the field. You never know.
Anyways, I wish you luck!!! You're just as inspiring. It's never too late to follow your dreams. I hope you recover soon!
Musician here, the most common way people are earning a living in creative fields nowadays is by generating multiple streams of income. For a musician like me, this is usually some combination of teaching, performing with multiple groups, selling cd's and merch, working at a music store, touring, playing for theater shows etc. It's an extremely fulfilling way of life if you enjoy being busy, traveling to different cities, and working with all different kinds of people. The goal for me is to balance the more "jobby" type stuff (teaching, playing wedding band gigs, gigs that aren't musically fulfilling but they pay well) with creative projects that I'm really into but maybe don't add to my income very much. "Making it" is great if you're lucky, but it's more about building connections with other musicians over time that keeps you working.
Yep. My only jobs are music related. I teach at two to three schools at a time part time, I'm helping a guy write a musical, performing in multiple groups, and producing. I know many people like me. I think the real misconception is that you either "make it" or you don't, and have to quit music. I'm doing fine, even if my career never blows up.
sprcow · 22 points · Posted at 16:00:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh. I studied music performance in undergrad. When I graduated, the average age for landing a gig at a professional orchestra for clarinetists was like 38 or something. That's 16 years of scraping together a living playing side gigs, minor orchestras, teaching lessons, doing non-music jobs... all while flying around, taking auditions against 500 or more of the best unemployed clarinetists in the world, hoping to get the one single opening up for grabs, so you can get paid a decent but not exorbitant salary actually playing the music you studied to play.
Part of the problem is that a huge number of entry level orchestras have gone under in the past couple decades. Declining public interest, along with organizations that ceased charitable donations to the arts in the recession, sunk an awful lot of gigs that would pay performers a small, but livable, salary while they continued improving and auditioning. You're also competing globally now, rather than just regionally. All the best recordings are online, and interest in going to here a 'pretty good' orchestra is just not high enough to support anyone doing it for a living.
Somewhat more common for classical performers is to eventually land a university teaching gig, but even then you likely need at least a masters and perhaps some other performance certificate, and end up as some adjunct instructor position at some point in your 30s. I actually added a composition major partway through my degree in the hopes that it would improve my career options, but that lifestyle isn't much better.
So of course I went back and studied CS and now I'm a software developer with ample job opportunities, decent salary, and sufficient free time to play in a woodwind quintet and a community band for fun. It's no Cleveland Orchestra, but it's better than nothing.
Congratz for having found a way to make it work for you. Thanks for sharing, interesting read!
sprcow · 6 points · Posted at 16:09:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks! I was lucky to have some opportunities to change careers. As fun as it is to be a significantly better player than the average community band member, and as much as a performance degree has enriched my life experiences, sometimes I wish I'd gotten a few less 'do what you love's and a few more 'here's some practical information about what kinds of jobs you might be able to get's. Thanks for nothing, virtually useless highschool guidance team and college career teams. =D
I remember from class on British literature from like 1780-1830ish time period that the majority of the authors we read from didn't die with much money or make any really on writing. Most authors gain following years later
Say you put out a book, and a few people like it. That's cool, nobody's expecting you're Harper Lee. You make a little money on it. Maybe enough to get a Starbucks frappe with all the fixings.
You put out another book. It's a little better, and more people like it. Some people like it enough to get your first book. You make money on the second book, but you also make a little more on the first book.
You put out another book. You're getting better as a writer with each book, and quite a few people like it. As before, some go back to see what other stuff you've written, and buy those. So you make money on the first, second, and third book.
With enough time you can built a bedrock of fans who appreciate your work, a portfolio of quality writing, and the effect gets stronger the more you write. This is what I'm banking on, personally.
jrizos · 8 points · Posted at 20:49:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You'd better be prepared for a really long walk down an unrewarding path, however, I do know people who have done this and have succeeded. Like, so long you might as well put reward out of the picture.
Writing itself is the reward. Learning the business of writing is just figuring out how to do it as much as possible for the rest of my life.
I've been told every step of the way that you'll never make and money from writing, but I see that with a pinch of smarts, some guts, and a truckload of hard work, you CAN make a decent living at doing it. I live in a low cost of living area and live frugally. If I can make 40,000 dollars a year, that's comfortable for me. It'll be a while before I get to that point, and I'm definitely impatient, but I've always known it would be hard and I'm not dumb enough to assume I'll get a bestseller and life will be peaches and cream afterwards. There was a book of essays that made a splash a few months ago about how writers make a living from writing, full of bestsellers and prize winners, and most admitted that of it weren't for friends, family, and significant others, they wouldn't be able to write full time. But I also know that the Internet has opened possibilities that is supporting creative careers that wasn't possible before.
I get that I'm gunning for something near impossible. I've done my homework. Still doing it.
jrizos · 1 points · Posted at 22:28:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, would you do tons of little projects or do tech writing or whatever, or are you about sticking to novels/fiction? There is that question of what to do for supplemental income, or for income at all, and whether your writing will go into that, or whether it will be preserved for a passion project such a fiction. Other genres have better payouts, I mean.
That's the question I've been thinking about for the past few years. I have a full time job, not writing related but with some opportunities to write, and live at home. I spend about 20 hours a week writing with a stretch goal of 25, sometimes 30 if I get a good start. Whatever income I currently earn from my writing, it's not regular or substantial, but it pads my rainy day fund. This year I'm making a serious push into publishing short stories in magazine and contests in traditional markets, while looking into self-publishing for larger, longer works. I'm confident in my work-- I won awards through middle and high school and college.
As far as little projects vs big, right now my time is split between preparing short stories and articles for magazines and polishing a novel to submit to contests. I have some experience in editing and earn some money freelancing. In answer to your question. . . I'm willing to do whatever to get to the goal of being a full-time writer.
jrizos · 1 points · Posted at 15:31:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, try to pick a genre you really like. For every hour you spend writing, another should be spent reading. And try to attend conferences. Good luck.
Thank you. I do try to get a reading hour in every night. Do you have any conference recommendations?
jrizos · 1 points · Posted at 16:22:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's all about genre, you want to find your tribe of like-minded authors. General "Literary" fiction, I'd steer away from. So, that would mean avoiding AWP, yes. You have to write for readers, not the literati.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:49:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of published authors still have day jobs, even if it's mostly for the benefits. I was really disappointed to learn that, but it can actually be a good thing if you can find the right job.
But another thing to keep in mind is that many books never earn out their advances, which is what determines the money that comes in from each subsequent book. So if your first advance is $25,000, it may take you four years to earn that back before you start seeing royalties from that book.
Not to discourage you... plenty of people do make money, and there's no reason why you can't be one of them.
Right. And in the end, if I don't make money, it won't be the end of the world.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:41:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The same is true for a lot of smaller musicians and well. American Football is a prime example. The released an EP and as LP during the late 90s, the members went to work on other projects, but people kept finding their music. One day a few years ago the reunited and have a pretty heavy cult following that is still growing. It's interesting.
I worked with a woman that is in a marginally famous band. They get some radio play, they play a lot of festivals. She works a full time job and so do all their band mates. Sometimes she takes off a month or so for touring but the band is her side gig even though they’re successful!
Nabilft · 35 points · Posted at 15:24:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Hired Gun" on Netflix also illustrates this from the POV of hired band musicians, pretty painful to watch if you have the dream of being a rock star I guess
It just means you want to be good at more than just an instrument. When 5 year olds can play the guitar well, there's going to be an insane amount of competition to be a hired gun. Now if you're a musician who can write great songs as well, now you're more valuable to the market and can stand out. But yeah, if you want to ONLY be known as a guitarist, you better be playing 10 hours a day and developing some kind of style that is your own if you want success.
Nabilft · 12 points · Posted at 16:19:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not enough... it's not just about talent
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 16:28:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is about making a sound that people want to hear too. You may be able to play some instruments in different ways so that it "fits" what people want. However if you are a singer and people don't want your specific sound then it is very hard to change that. Some people just have raspy voices, others a soulful, others wispy and sweet. That is the luck of the draw, and is very hard to train to be different because of what is being demanded.
Obviously. Knowing people is a big part of the game. I'm just saying for technical proficiency alone, you'd be better off developing your writing skills as opposed to only playing an instrument/singing.
Knowing people is important. It can get you set up with an agent, an internship (to meet more people) or your first shitty job. Many of the people I know who work in creative fields and make a decent living doing so had inital help from family or friends.
But, if you want to stay in the game you need to work hard, be willing to work for very little or intermittently well into your 30s and travel for long periods with very little notice. You need a support network to do that and it helps if you have family that understand what the jobs require.
It’s also possible to live off being a musician for a certain time and then go back to having a day job. For example, home business or temp work, then go on the road for a few months, then come back and do temp work. Sometimes easier to do this if you have a music-related day job where they might be sympathetic as to why you want a flex schedule.
I do this. I work long term temp jobs in between touring gigs. It's kinda interesting because now I have skills in random areas and a crazy resume.
Kabada · 36 points · Posted at 15:46:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who actually believes this is common?
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 17:07:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Agreed, good discussion going on here, but would hardly characterize this as a common misconception. The term "struggling actor in LA" is incredibly cliche and well-known.
It looks like a young person doing his best to live a dream. Murica! But we're glossing over the fact that that person is probably building more debt on top of their student loans untill an inevitable cliff that forces them to move.
Then they will spend their 30's barely making ends meet and will not be able to ever own a home or save for retirement.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:25:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why in the world would a person take out loans that aren't easy to repay to become an actor?
You can save for retirement on minimum wage. Most of the people in the world manage to save money consuming substantially less than what a minimum wage buys in LA.
Why in the world would a person take out loans that aren't easy to repay to become an actor?
I... Don't know where to start with you... People take out loans to go to college because we're trained that that's what you do after high school. You have to pay those back even if you want to be an actor or whatever... You know this, right? People do this because people still believe that Americans are entitled to work towards becoming whatever profession they want... Freedom and such.
You can save for retirement on minimum wage.
$1200 for a cheap studio apartment, >$3/gal of gas, $200 for utilities, $60 for internet, $300 for health insurance, $140 for other insurances... I've already busted minimum wage at 40hrs a week and I didn't include student loan repayments or business costs of being an actor (if you're arguing about that still)
Most of the people in the world manage to save money consuming substantially less than what a minimum wage buys in LA.
Well, 78% of all Americans have debt but no savings (under $2k)... So, you must be talking about non-Americans, because if you take a look outside your bubble, things are pretty dark right now.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:21:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Here's some free business advice to all aspiring actors. Don't spend $100,000 going to college to be an actor. If this isn't obvious to you, I don't know where to start with you.
Well, 78% of all Americans have debt but no savings (under $2k)... So, you must be talking about non-Americans, because if you take a look outside your bubble, things are pretty dark right now.
If you look outside your bubble, you might notice that things have rarely been better anywhere in the history of the world.
Seriously how do you think people in China have a net positive savings rate when they make less than people in poverty in the US adjusted for purchasing power?
How did people save money at the turn of the century when adjusted for purchasing power the poverty line today put you in the top 10% of income then. (Yes, this does include differences in the cost of housing, education, and so on).
Seriously, just for a second, really think about it hard. People illegally immigrate to the US, get abused, make less than minimum wage, and somehow afford to send money back to their loved ones? Are they magic? Is $2 an hour picking fruit in some Californian field somehow secretly more money than the $10 per hour minimum wage in California, or are you just wrong?
The American middle class loves to be told they've got it hard. This is the one bipartisan issue. Corporations need you to believe its normal to have a bunch of debt, otherwise how would they sell new cars with an average price equal to the median annual personal income? The left needs you to believe that you're impoverished because if it were easy to get rich, why do you need to vote for them?
Made up budget
If you're living on minimum wage and being an actor is the most important thing to you, and the second most important thing is not starving to death on the streets, you do not live alone. If you want to live alone go live in a different city.
Your income is $12/hour at the Los Angeles minimum wage or roughly $24,000 per year. You drive a beater that gets poor gas mileage, but you drive it as rare as humanly possible. You walk to work and the grocery store. The beater is for auditions only. Here's the budget breakdown based on the time I was trying to be an actor (other tip if you want to be an actor: don't suck at acting).
Housing: $600
Food: $150
Health Insurance (Silver Plan after tax credit): $150 (Obamacare caps this at 8% of your income for singles making $24K)
Internet: $10 (Do the dumb internet swapping dance, it takes 1 hour one day a year to pay half as much for internet, my share)
Utilities: $30 (My share was never higher than this, it's one of the benefits of living in a reasonable climate)
Car Insurance (liability only): $40 (You don't insure the cost of a beater, you just replace the beater when it dies on the way to an audition)
Cab Fare: $25 (Sometimes your beater dies on the way to an audition)
Gas: $25 (This was at $4.50 / gal gasoline, so it should be less now)
Actor Business Costs (amortized over a year): $50 headshots, $10 SAG, $50 Hair, $200 Workshops = $310
Partying: $150
Savings: $290
Fucking FICA: ~$200
When I was there minimum wage was lower, but I made more than minimum wage. I only paid $350 in rent though, that room is $600 now. My health insurance was also more expensive because this was pre-obamacare. There are a lot of struggling actors out there, not all of us suck with money.
Edit: Extra per hour. It'd be awesome if your wage accelerated at $12 per hour per hour, it does not.
You seem angry. Is it because you were an actor but you aren't quite as good at budgeting and acting as you are bragging to be? Because I'm still here friend, and I'm doing just fine. I just recognize my privilege and recognize that things are hard for people and I'm very lucky in some ways.
Things are better in most ways in the world, including los Angeles, but if it were as easy as you seem to think 99% of all the people who tried out here wouldn't fail at it, and maybe you'd still be here gracing us from atop your golden Steed of fiscal responsibility.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:35:53 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
You seem angry.
Don't hide behind that. Your original point was that actors could not save for retirement or own a house. They can. I did. It was hard, but it wasn't complicated.
Your evidence for this was:
A made up budget
I showed you why a realistic budget allowed for saving for retirement.
I have it really easy and things outside of my bubble are really dark.
Bull. America despite the current administration has rarely been in a better state (hell, child poverty is at an all time low). I've never said it was easy. Anyone who attempts to go into acting on a minimum wage thinking it will be easy is a fool.
Buddy, I know it's really hard to imagine that other people might have it hard when your circle isn't. If you saved money on minimum wage you are truely special. You are a beautiful snowflake in a sea of normal people who are struggling. Good for you. 78% of the people around you are unable to accomplish this with various wages. But screw them right? They should be as great as you.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:56:58 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not great, it's not complicated, it is hard. You're the one who said it was impossible to save for retirement. I've shown it isn't.
Now instead you just say it's hard. It is hard. I mean not hard compared to how the vast majority of other people in the world live. (I suppose your bubble doesn't include them?). It's harder to save money than spend money. Water is wet.
I haven't done anything special. You want to meet some special folk, I'd get out of your bubble. The one that suggests to you hopeless poverty is $12 an hour.
dpwtr · 1 points · Posted at 22:43:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m a full time musician. It works for me but I constantly have to give people on reddit a reality check. Not because it’s impossible to make a living as a musician but because it’s impossible in the way that they imagine. This is usually aspiring composers who think they will be able to write and do nothing else and get by. News flash: there’s MAYBE 5 full time composers in the entire world. Out of all of the possible music careers, being a composer is the least viable. Sure you can write and you can make a little money but you will NOT be paying your bills that way.
blue58 · 51 points · Posted at 15:16:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a full-time glass artist who has consistently made over 45k/yr for years and live in a very low COL area. (the recession was scary, but I bounced back) The catch? I designed a niche item and now am stuck repeating the same 3 items over and over and over again. I have all the freedom of a self-employed artist which makes it convenient to flexibly deal with kids, calling to resolve household issues during daytime hours, work in pajamas, but my best energy is typically used up with orders of this same product and there's not a lot left for new art.
It's ok, though. My kids will be out of the house eventually, repeating the same design has done astonishing things to my control of my medium, and I've filled my creative cup by integrating my entire life into an artpiece. That includes how I decorate the house, how I interact with others, how I choose to tread upon the planet.
P.S.-I'm going to decline saying what I sell to keep my Reddit anon. :-)
My husband is an artist too, but he mainly does commercial photography. Once again, you get to be creative but in this case some asshole is telling you the parameters. My good friend has been a musician her whole life and definitely sounds exactly like your odd-job, side-project description. It's tricky. My husband follows people on Instagram who live full-time in VW vans-VanLife culture and it's fascinating to see how they make it work. Either they support themselves by getting patreons and blogging about their life, or they plug the van in and use the table area as an office to do web or ad design. Yup, you're right. It's pretty rare to be a totally free artist.
Also an artist. Everyone I know has side hustles, side jobs, or shoehorned into a niche. If you aren't teaching art, you're installing art, if you aren't installing art, you're working at a fab shop, if you aren't doing fabrication, you're digging ditches at a sculpture park. Probably half of those people are also making jewelry, or furniture or graphic design work here and there to make a little extra money. Maybe one out of a thousand working artists have a creative practice that's self sustaining and based completely on their own creative desires to make work. Even that number is probably optimistic.
MrDoood · 5 points · Posted at 15:38:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
what's the niche item?
clampy · 38 points · Posted at 15:42:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
blue58 · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wrote a pretty long response that went poof, so I'll just write a short one in its place. Not going to say what my schtick is, but I know others who found their own deal too. A guy who used to make murrini with famous peopl's faces like the Beatles and Hendrix and other drug-related icons. A woman who receives pics of people's dogs and replicates them as best she can out of glass. The bong and pipe industry is pretty saturated, but you're always seeing someone with a special look rise above the rest and become highly sought out. In the end, it all depends on whether the artist is willing to have a production line of work they're willing to make again and again. Those who refuse? No problem, but they might need to get that waitstaff job.
I am one of the main actors on a Scottish sketch/comedy TV show for the BBC which has just ended its 4th series... I also work in a bank.
Can confirm.
Ulldra · 9 points · Posted at 15:58:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It‘s been a while, but some time ago I was really into a band called Eluveitie. In their metal genre they are one of the bigger bands and they play a lot of shows in europe, but when I watched an interview or sth like that with the band some years ago it said that only one or two of them can do the music full time and the others had to have side jobs.
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 16:40:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am a composer for a few dozen games. The majority of you have played at least one or two of them on Steam or Xbox.
I still bartend 1-2 days a week to take the edge off, financially.
How cool! I've always wanted to find a way to get into voice work (specifically singing) in video games. I perform around my town solo and in a group and have been developing my writing skills recently and it's so fulfilling having several directions to go into at any given time.
I'm an artist. I'm a lefthanded weirdo who failed at school .. math?.. standardized multiple choice scantron tests?.. following directions?.. vowles?
I didn't understand fractions until highschool band- one day- eureka! 3/4 = three beats out of four.
While I struggled, I have always been able to read. Somehow.
That has been my lifesaver, but I completely understand people who can't. Through the powers of technology I can also spell! You would never know!
Anyways, despite all of this, my parents continuously lectured me on how I must pursue school and that I should never ever think about being an artist - or even to train in a skilled craft-profession. They themselves are fairly recent immigrants whose parents worked in factories while they both went to college and had slightly less blue collar jobs themselves (teacher and military).
I went to college. I struggled. I did finish, by changing my major from biology to art. I would convince my professors to let me make alternative projects (like a quilt for a Latin paper I think one time, it was awesome and I put more work into it than probably I would have a paper). If there was a class that included handwritten essay tests (I'm older and went to college just before laptops) I just couldn't take the class if the professor wasn't willing to look far beyond my spelling and grammar.
After college.. I knew I couldn't continue in academia. I found work in...... hands on manufacturing! Mostly I worked in an optical laboratory making prescription glasses. It kinda sucked (shitty coorporate), but I loved the craft aspect of it and I was good at it. While I worked I always continued to make art and sell it. I've had etsy shops and sold in boutiques, I've done all kinds of custom work (paintings, fabric wall hangings, quilts) that often surpassed my 40 hours a week job.
Eventually what I figured out is that the way to make $ making art is to find a craft that you can easily reproduce. People are not willing to pay for the time it takes to make a quilt. I still make them, but gifts only! People are not willing to pay for the time it takes to paint an original painting. But they will pay 20$ for a copy, a teeshirt, a sticker.
I have learned to make copies of my art, through moldmaking, through printing, through outsourcing.
The hardest thing about being an artist is the business side of it.. And I fucking never took a business class. I probably would have failed it! I can't add a column of numbers.
Anyways, my point is. I couldn't be anything but what I am. Weirdo lefthanded artist. I couldn't be successful in any other career. And there is nothing to be ashamed of about working with your hands.
It's partly because people don't want to pay for jack shit if you are in any of the arts.
Music? There is time spent practicing, cost of equipment, gas money, performance, and composition to name a few things. But most people only chalk it up to "oh it's a song."
Art? Time spent forming ideas, cost of materials, prototypes/sketches of said ideas, travel, time, and skill to name a few things. But most people just look at it as a sculpture, a picture, et cetera.
Dance? Do you know how much time people have to spend practicing and working out to be able to do this? This requires you to adapt your lifestyle to fit the parameters of the occupation.
There's a ludicrous amount of effort that goes into the creative fields, and the bottom line is that most people don't want to compensate for anything, despite consuming it and finding enjoyment from it. Couple this with the fact most people disregard anything that challenges their template for what qualifies as art (think of how 'modern art' has become simultaneously a meme and a derogatory term, or of any genre of music that is disregarded as 'noise', et cetera), and you get a thankless task which people working within frequently have no illusions about. It's infuriating to say the least, and while it may not be as tangibly 'helpful' as many peoples conception of what a job is, it is work nonetheless (plus, tell me how much more helpful really is an insurance banker compared to an artist). I get that money can be tight and art tends to be the first to go when that's the case, but it's gotten to the point where even when money isn't tight people don't want to pay for shit (think of political campaigns and their frequent misuse of music, or of blogs/galleries/websites wanting to show your work for 'exposure').
This isn't directed at you, I just think it needs to be said because it's not heard enough. And people can complain that this line of thinking may be entitled, but I couldn't care care less. We don't even have it anymore that if you are talented then you'll make it. People will try to screw you out of compensation even then.
So tl;dr Artists work too, so pay them accordingly! Like seriously, not even extravagantly, just enough to afford to live.
Oh man, I’m a dancer and I can seriously relate to this.
People don’t understand, even if you “make it” which is usually joining a dance company. You aren’t getting paid that well anyway. You can be a soloist dancing in one of the best companies in the country and still have to work a side hustle. Meanwhile the company you dance for is making money hand over fist. The dancers are the reason shows are being sold out, yet they see a very small fraction of those ticket sales.
The board members, who most of the time haven’t stepped in a studio for years, if at all, can make almost two to three times as much as the ballerinas spending 10+ hours a day rehearsing, taking class, and etc.
Sure, you get applause at the end of a show. But applause doesn’t pay your rent. To top it off many dancers are laid off during the summer and sometimes have to audition again to get a contract with the very same company, your job is not guaranteed.
Oh and if you injure yourself from all the dancing/performing/cross training you’ve been doing, good luck. It’s not likely you have health insurance through work. And if you can’t dance for a long period of time, what use are you to them? They can easily find another dancer who would kill to have your spot.
With dance/a lot of art forms, you do it because you love it, not to make money from it. This is totally exploited. It would be outrageous for say an engineer to not be paid for a project that they spent months working on, but somehow it’s different for dancers that just performed on some work consumed by a larger audience.
I love how people scoff at art/artists all while they play video games, listen to music, go to the theatre and read books. Sorry your IT job is no more important than an artist working in their medium in the grand scheme of things.
As a filmmaker who does a lot of corporate video work, this. Most people have absolutely no idea how much work can go into even a five minute video, let alone a highly produced commercial or a feature film. Everyone wants a glossy video, no one wants to pay for it.
Once did a series of promotional videos for a non profit dedicated to teaching kids about the arts, writing, theater, etc, to encourage them to pursue a career in the arts. After all the work was done, along with some non-charged extra bits, they tried to get away with only paying half (citing budget issues or some nonsense, despite that the price was negotiated and agreed upon months before). Had to threaten legal action to get the rest.
The irony of what they were doing was completely lost on them.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:16:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shout out to the idea of universal basic income! I work for a bit over min. wage, and do stuff in my free time, and that's how I like it. I like making music and art, but I feel like trying to put a price on a song/movie/painting kinda kills the whole idea of it. It's kind of a hippy idea, but art is worthless, and it should be.
I have the strangest experience in the world right now where I have "made it" just selling erotica as a man to women. It took me a few years, but I pay all my bills with it now and it's incredibly rewarded and fulfilling to do something I like, that creatively satisfies me, and pays all my bills while still leaving money for me.
This is my fourth project, attempt, at doing so. I've done everything from radio DJing to being a pizza boy to just straight flipping to the "Misc" section of papers when I arrived in a new city.
It's hard. You have to constantly make choices that balance your desires to get what you want now with those long term goals, you never have any assurance and it always seems like your efforts would be better spent on a traditional path.
But man, am I happier now that I've ever been at work. It pays the bills and it's me, it's a project I made, with me expressing myself and absolutely no bosses, no loans.
I'm a goldsmith running my own business - in the interim between jobs I make and sell vape juice, DD for parties and run deliveries around town. I get more money at once from my art but it's everything else that keeps me floating
It's actually the same with run-of-the-mill business success believe it or not.
Sure there are more CEOs than popular musicians but there are also WAY more people trying to be successful in that arena.
There are 500 CEO's of fortune 500 companies. There are 26 Million people working for those companies. Most started with the idea they might run the joint one day. Their odds are 1:52,000 this is almost identical to your number hitting three times in a row on a roulette wheel.
I realize what you are saying. But surely can you make a living even if you're not that fortune 500 CEO.
However, the frustrated expectations is what's similar here.
Edit: *not
lak123s · 5 points · Posted at 16:44:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldnt really say thats the same. For one a CEO itself isnt the end goal for most people in business and for many its more an occupation itself and for another its a role with turnover rather than a lifetime role.
It's not a perfect analogy agreed, but my point was the sheer number of people who start out in the corporate world with their sights set on running the place one day is huge and 99% of them will not be more than just worker bees. More people fall victim to this than do the musician trap.
I know this is anecdotal but I knows dozens and dozens of people who graduated with me and we all assumed we would be running corporations by the time we were 40. Spoiler alert: none of us are doing better than middle manager. Most of us NOW would say we don't want to make it to CEO/CFO etc but that's not what we said 20 years ago.
I don't know anyone who really tried to be a musician. I think everyone KNEW that was a one-in-a-million shot. Whereas we all thought a degree and a little elbow grease would put in the corner office one day.
I think it can, but there's a big difference between starting a successful business (extremely hard but attainable) vs. shooting for the top spot in a multi-national fortune 500 with hundreds of thousands or millions of employees. Even if you do everything perfectly in the latter case it's still a very long shot and way more subject to random chance, IMHO.
Sure but there are lots of CEOs of companies that make "only" a few tens of millions per year. Company revenue, I mean, not CEO salary. But at that point you probably can afford a low 6-figure salary as a CEO, and in most places on earth that's a very comfortable lifestyle, at least from an income standpoint.
Not to mention that to be a successful musician you are understandably limited to the music industry. A "CEO" or business owner can work in any industry.
Gonna try to hijack your comment here.. There is a great book that covers a lot of the issues facing artists in today's music industry with regards to money. Its called Once Upon A Time in Shaolin, a book about the Wu-Tang Clan and how/why they spent millions on producing an album, only to make one physical copy and sell it to...Martin Shkreli.
I work in film as a freelancer. I certainly haven't "made it" yet, but I do make enough to support my rent and other expenses and there is upwards movement. Most of my friends also work in the industry and have varying degrees of pay and job security. Specifically acting, though, is usually supplemented through teaching, food service, etc.
Interesting! Any idea what might be some major influences on the job security? Why do you have it and some of your friends dont?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 00:57:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The more "creative" the job you want is, the harder it is to get. So someone who works in the film industry as a camera assistant or grip is going to find more job opportunities than someone who wants to be an actor, director, or writer.
One element is that of freelancers vs. company employees. I am able to pay rent and other expenses, but I'm unsure I'd call my job secure. As a freelancer, I still need to constantly find or get offered work. The friends who work for companies (post production houses, production companies, agencies, etc.) have a regular job. Some friends have their own LLCs as well, either to aid in their own freelancing endeavors or to set up their own production companies.
What most people say about the industry is that it's about who you know, which also applies to job security. The industry, especially when localized, is small enough that word travels fast. You will meet a vast array of people through people you've met previously, and it will hopefully snowball into a network of people that provide work for you.
Also, there are certain positions in higher demand, as u/groovyfinch mentioned in their reply. In addition to the level of creativity, there are certain positions that have no clear path to get to or exist at the beginning of the film process (i.e. producers and directors) and directing specifically requires so much work and preparation that it is difficult to work on more than one feature every year or two. These positions also have little pay starting out as it depends on who is willing to invest in a new filmmaker's vision and how much they decide to put in.
Hopefully that wasn't too long-winded an answer and sorry for the late reply!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 13:39:09 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your reply makes me think of my early days in LA. I don't work in the industry anymore, as I've sidelined into a different type of creative work, but my husband and good friends all do. It's so true that it's a small (tiny!) world and your friends and people you work with become a very powerful network.
Good luck to you! I hope you're enjoying the journey.
I'm definitely enjoying the journey so far! Hoping I'm through the hardest thick of it, but you never know with freelance. I wish you success and happiness in your journey, too, and it's good that you are enjoying doing creative work in or out of the industry. :)
One element is that of freelancers vs. company employees. I am able to pay rent and other expenses, but I'm unsure I'd call my job secure. As a freelancer, I still need to constantly find or get offered work. The friends who work for companies (post production houses, production companies, agencies, etc.) have a regular job. Some friends have their own LLCs as well, either to aid in their own freelancing endeavors or to set up their own production companies.
What most people say about the industry is that it's about who you know, which also applies to job security. The industry, especially when localized, is small enough that word travels fast. You will meet a vast array of people through people you've met previously, and it will hopefully snowball into a network of people that provide work for you.
Also, there are certain positions in higher demand, as u/groovyfinch mentioned in their reply. In addition to the level of creativity, there are certain positions that have no clear path to get to or exist at the beginning of the film process (i.e. producers and directors) and directing specifically requires so much work and preparation that it is difficult to work on more than one feature every year or two. These positions also have little pay starting out as it depends on who is willing to invest in a new filmmaker's vision and how much they decide to put in.
Hopefully that wasn't too long-winded an answer and sorry for the late reply!
rybo333 · 5 points · Posted at 15:59:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would say making a living off of music is doable, if you are willing to set your ego aside. I have a friend who plays in a couple of cover bands to make his money. It allows him to play his originals in another band, which does not pay the bills.
A lot of people look at it from what I feel is not the best perspective. They think being an artist means you’re Taylor Swift or nothing. People pursuing the career and those judging them. Really it’s not about that. My friend wanted to make movies, now he works for an agency, even being around the industry is enough for him to be happy.
Or so I've heard. If there are people with personal experience in these fields, I'd love to read your comments.
This is true for the vast majority of writers, almost all of whom either pair the writing with other work or are supported by a partner/independently wealthy.
I've earned some reasonably decent chunks of money from my work, and am luckier than most, but it's a long way off any kind of living wage. It paid for a deposit on a house, but it doesn't pay for the mortgage.
kmsgars · 5 points · Posted at 17:01:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In both music and acting fields, freelancing and teaching.
Here’s a fun statistic: in the 2015-2016 season, 41% of actors in the Actors Equity Association (the union) were considered “employed” in the field, and they worked an average of 17 weeks. Rates of pay vary based on your role and the tier level the venue operates at. At a small professional theater, the pay range was $229-$664 a week in 2015..
To get into AEA, an actor must acquire points (hours on a union production). It was 50 points to be AEA-eligible, but i believe they just lowered it to 25. Reason being that AEA points are largely acquired on touring productions—so if you work out of NYC, got your points at Alabama Shakespeare Festival, then return to NYC a union member, you can audition and be seen for many projects, but nobody in NYC will have a clue who you are or who you’ve worked with for your Equity points...so your likelihood of getting cast goes down quite a bit.
If you’re eligible and would like to join the union, there is a $1600 join fee and twice-annual dues to pay. Once you join, you’re restricted from all sorts of productions that can’t either afford AEA contracts (required minimums, required housing, breaks during rehearsals, and so forth) or can’t afford/are restricted from AEA Showcase Codes (like a guest star in the production). To qualify for health insurance, you must work a minimum of 11 weeks each season. Oh, and your dues increase depending on how much you earn from each AEA project.
I can’t speak for SAG-AFTRA (actors for film, TV, etc.) but for stage actors? Yeah...it’s incredibly rare and near impossible to make a living doing it. I know actors working Off-Broadway (second tier) doing eight shows a week who still wait tables to make up for the cash they can’t earn performing.
From what I can tell it’s true. My fiancé is in a popular Canadian band and they and many people they associate with seem to be doing pretty well for being in their late 20s/early 30s. And you’re right, most of them have multiple projects and streams of income (writing, producing, performing in a few groups etc.)
This is true, however, if you add teaching to this, which most musicians do, and you are good at teaching, then making a living as a musician is very very possible. Source: am musician, most of my friends are musicians.
I'd have no problem counting it in. Would weaking my argument about musicians.
Do you think teaching is also that common among other creative jobs, say actors?
I honestly don't know because the number of actors I know is pretty small. It's definitely common among dancers, though, and a lot of visual artists I know also teach or have some kind of artistic day job that pays the bills but isn't emotionally fulfilling (e.g. directing detergent commercials by day, but making their own films by night on their own dime). There are kind of two major misconceptions that people have about people in artistic/creative professions, one on the side of the wannabe artist, the other on the side of people in non-artistic professions:
1) Lots of artists believe that if it's not emotionally/creatively fulfilling, then they are too good for it or they shouldn't have to do the work. If you're independently wealthy, have someone else to support you, or are okay living in total poverty, that's fine. But if you want to make a living and be independent, then you have to get over yourself and do some freakin' work that people will pay you for. I was really lucky in that regard because my middle school music teacher saw that there was a possibility that I wanted to be a professional musician (even before I knew it myself) and told me bluntly, "You can absolutely make a living at music, but you can't think you're above anything. You can't be above teaching music. You can't be above taking a wedding gig. You just can't be above any gig. If you think you're above it, you'll fail.** If you do the work, you can absolutely do this work." I will never forget that advice, and as I look around at my friends who successfully make livings as musicians, it's absolutely true. Humility, hard work, and hustling are key.
**Sidenote: this should not, however, be confused with not understanding your worth. Musicians are frequently underpaid for their labor because people don't understand the time, money, and effort that goes into being a good, well-prepared musician. Learning to fight for your worth is also important.
2) This second problem, on the part of non-artists, is not understanding that having numerous jobs is exactly how to make a living as an artist. If you're an artist with one job and you're making a living, congrats! You're in the minority, and you're doing great. Most of us have several jobs, and frankly, I like it that way. It means I have projects that are fulfilling in different ways (financially, creatively, etc.). But I think a lot of people expect an artist to "one day" have one job that will pay all the bills, and that's just a ridiculous expectation. Get over it. Artists who want to only do art for a living, unless they are very very lucky, are going to have multiple jobs. That's our normal.
No prob. Honestly it's so common, I don't find it offensive. I just think both aspiring artists and non-artists need to be better educated on how to practically make a living. It's not a way of life for everyone, but it's also not really about luck unless you're trying to be a multi-millionaire.
I was by no means in a large band of any sort but when my band played shows locally usually our pay for the night would go toward gas or food money for the touring band and when we went on a small tour this last summer we pretty much broke even on gas and had to pay for our own food and lodging.
That being said I'd say it's pretty difficult to make a living off of being a performing musician
Gone are the days where getting the right exec to hear your band's EP, then having 2 or 3 successful albums, and having a good tour or two were enough to basically set you up for life.
gg, Roadrunner Records.
ejramos · 4 points · Posted at 17:04:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bruh. I talk to people in my my state (NM) all the time who are trying to be rappers. No shit one was even homeless. Didn’t want to deviate from it for anything. I coined the phrase “don’t let pursuing your dreams get in the way of your dreams” because these guys.
True but then that's one more entity taking a piece of the money pie
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 04:45:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There’s a saying....a medium bite sized of the watermelon or a whole grape?
If that makes sense
ekcunni · 7 points · Posted at 16:26:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
many other creative jobs
Depends. A former roommate of mine is a successful artist, and supports himself (and for awhile his girlfriend who was in grad school) solely off his art. Many of his friends/acquaintances are in a similar boat.
That said, he does a TON of work that isn't creating art but is in service of his art career, like networking, attending poster festivals, participating in forums online about his craft, etc. and a lot of people don't do or aren't good at that side of being a working artist. I have a feeling that plays a pretty big role in whether one can make a viable career out of it. I know plenty of artists and musicians who just want to make art or play music and get paid for it, and living with Successful Artist made me realize how much more than just creating good art or music is involved.
Sykes92 · 8 points · Posted at 16:04:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're in the music business to become rich, look for another job.
It's very attainable to be able to live off music, somewhat frugally. But to thrive off music is a privilege for the top 1% of mainstream artists.
Can confirm almost alot of Dutch singers who make tradiotional "Dutch Folk Music" have second jobs at hand. Even tho they have had multiply cd's released, contracts with labels and other stuff.
But for the big names in Holland they do only live of music, while almost all of them started to vlog to gain a bigger audience.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:22:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work in the music industry as a recording engineer and songwriter. Had a publishing contract and everything. I made a good living but had to work close to 80 very stressful hours a week to do so. Plus it wasn’t uncommon to be busy for a month or so then have no work for a weeks on end. I now work a 40 hour a week factory job. I am much happier. I don’t have to worry about when my next paycheck is coming in anymore.
This is actually the opposite for me. I used to believe that only the people you see in Hollywood were able to make a living through acting. Everyone else had to maintain a "real job" as a primary source of income. I didn't know there were people who aren't known on an international level who could make a living performing their art of choice.
I'd make that any kind of artist or entertainer. The ones who can live off it got incredibly lucky. And even of those who get so lucky, many of them end up broke again after their flash in the pan is over. Do something creative, artistic, entertaining, or athletic for your own well being and growth and because you love it, not because you can't wait to quit your day job.
I am a full time singer/instrumentalist. I just got lucky that I do this and nothing else. Found the right job at the right time (right after I graduated) along with being female and not horribly ugly. MANY friends I know get steady work (most of my friends are musical theatre performers, which is what I went to school for), but they have to travel all over gods creation and don’t get paid enough. They usually burn out by their late twenties. I also think I can take more risks than others I know who are creative types, because I am married to someone with a steadier career.
My opinion is actually that you can make a living doing this stuff and it’s not that unusual. It’s making the big bucks and not burning out that’s tricky.
I have a friend who is a songwriter and splits his time performing his personal stuff and a Maroon 5 cover band. He has two homes in towns about 200 miles apart and plays in both towns frequently. He also hosts open mics around my town and works with the downtown partnership to book artists for the summertime months. He manages a studio space for bands that want to record and provides equipment. As far as I know, he’s diversified himself so much that he doesn’t have to work a regular job, he’s always on his own time, and he’s about 24, I believe. It’s fkn inspirational.
Ugh, I'm stuck w this. But mine is 2m. I live along a scenic highway so its even harder for them to install anything better... We've had to have many petitions signed for them to consider my neighborhood. But after years of work, we will be getting high speed... In a year.
I wouldn’t count on it, sorry to say. And if you do get the high speed, I promise you they’ll jack up the prices, especially if it’s all that’s available in the area. Hell, even certain special features they’ll only offer them in competitions areas because in leader areas they have this mindset of “well, we have them by the balls anyways”. It’s horrible.
Yup, I'm sure it won't come. A year ago they said it would be another year.
banshiru · 21269 points · Posted at 15:04:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are only 13 advertising blimps in use around the world, yet it's so common to see them when there's a football game!
Edit: for those asking for a source, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blimp under "Use". there's also a blog post by one of the companies that owns a lot of these blimps (Van Wagner Airship) that says so.
TRHess · 4892 points · Posted at 17:09:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Goodyear Blimp once almost crashed into our deer camp. We never even found out what it was doing there, the place is 20 miles from even the nearest highway, 50 miles from the nearest major city in Pennsylvania. My grandparents and I were sitting in the kitchen eating lunch, and the whole camp started to shake. We go outside, not knowing what it was, and the goddamn Goodyear Blimp is floating 30 feet above the cabin. It hovered there for a good minute, picked up altitude, and went on its way.
One of the damnedest things I've ever seen.
FR05TY14 · 3896 points · Posted at 17:52:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You were about to be abducted by the Goodyear aliens.
I see the blimp at least once a week. It's weird watching it land
Aanon89 · 40 points · Posted at 19:50:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When it hovers like that above your house and doesn't land it's because the operators brought someone they are trying to impress. They got distracted by the sex they started having and the autopilot took action to stop from crashing into your house.
/s
Edit: that's also why it was above your house for about a minute
I actually went on the Goodyear Blimp in Green Bay like 15 years ago. My dad helped them out at his job and we got to go up. It was pretty awesome.
Xamry14 · 14 points · Posted at 01:06:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I always wondered why blimps never took off. Not as a mode of transportation, I think of them more like a sky yacht. They can just hover and it would be a place for novelty parties. Like a yacht party, just in the sky.
See that's how the government can spy on us. "Oh yooouuuu! Goodyear blimp what are you doing up there you incompetent fool of an air machine?!" And really it's the government just spying on everyone under the cover of an ad.
Also this has to be aliens...an almost accident with a deer? In a rural area? And an identified flying object? The aliens just got good at appearing local.
69this · 1 points · Posted at 03:15:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's always there during the Little League World Series so that would make sense
Ah, now here we have the elusive blimp. Now watch as it attempts to quietly stalk and catch it's pray. As you can see it is slowly descending. But the sensitive human ears have heard it and they are rushing out. If the blimp isn't careful it may get poked with their little pitchforks. The blimp is admitting defeat and is floating away. Oh well. Another day perhaps.
Wouldn't it be great if aliens assumed the Goodyear blimp was some sort of benign presence to humans (like how it just constantly hovers around games) so they thought it would be brilliant to use its likeness to passively watch us?
TRHess · 3 points · Posted at 01:22:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would honestly never question its presence. Unless it was like constantly floating above my property.
"Bloody hell Zrkon, you said this was a "discrete location"! Look, a fucking cabin. Do you see that? Right below us? Christ, it's cock-ups like this that will expose the entire program!
Quick, activate the cloaking device. Go with the airship one that the earthlings use over their silly ball-throwing games"
Probably training. Don't want to do that close to a high population area. One time (not really related) I saw a blimp training for high wind in a storm. It's crazy how they just float around, as blimps do, so any sort of wind can send them flying in a random direction.
[deleted] · 119 points · Posted at 17:51:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girl dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
decaxon · 34 points · Posted at 18:01:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Edit: Rats. You editted your commemt to give me my chance for glory, but someone else got it first (stupid work, always keeping me off reddit.) Thanks for trying.
I’m no pilot so I can’t say for sure. It’s possible but I doubt it. The thing is huge and loud so it can appear to be a lot lower than it really is. That coupled with the fact that it normally flies quite low in rural areas.
It did crash into a bunch of trees on my street when I was a kid though so it’s definitely possible.
TRHess · 4 points · Posted at 18:37:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We're lucky Pap didn't try to shoot the thing down.
zdakat · 8 points · Posted at 18:22:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol. Sounds like one of those stories you can tell people, "you're never going to believe this- last night the Goodyear blimp landed on our camp and then flew away"
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 18:11:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ladies and gentlemen there is a rogue Goodyear blimp pilot on the loose inside this airspace. And he’s also on the loose inside this country.
I used to work in Westminster Maryland right next to PA and there was an airport there that the Goodyear blimp would land/launch at. So maybe it was passing through from there?
I once read somewhere that when the Goodyear Blimp goes out, each time it receives an average of about four bullet holes from people that think "Oh, I wonder if I can hit that. Probably not, but it would be fun to try.".
edrmeow · 3 points · Posted at 18:36:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They fly those blimps from one place to another. When I was in college I just looked up randomly, and there was the Goodyear blimp passing by. There was no event going on anytime soon, but we were on about a straight line between a couple cities with major league sports teams. They're basically silent if you're a decent distance away, so there's a chance the good year blimp has passed over your city a few times, and if you never looked up you'd have no idea.
Were you in the northeast part of the state, maybe around Pocono, and was it during early June or August? Could have been there for a NASCAR race weekend.
TRHess · 2 points · Posted at 01:30:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
derRobn · 3 points · Posted at 20:56:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very near to my hometown in Germany, 4 or 5 years ago a Goodyear blimp caught fire and crashed... The pilot sacrificed his own live to rescue the journalist who was on board for an article. Truly heroic, but we were all quite in shock after some saw the blimp in flames after it hovered in the sky for a few days
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:49:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What the fuck!!!! I live in rural WV, closest neighbor a mile away. The fucking Goodyear blimp flew directly over our house so close one morning it shook the entire house and woke everyone up, knocking things off shelves even. What. The. Fuck.
TRHess · 4 points · Posted at 01:18:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
We should make a subreddit for close encounters with the Goodyear Blimp.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is just... odd? Like why is this occurring even a thing? It was so close we thought it was going to crash into our house/farm.
Wow! The closest I got to that was one day my dog starts losing her mind barking in the back yard. She was a pit bull and they don't usually bark that much. I get up to go see what's going on and to my surprise she's looking into the sky. About 75 feet above us is a hot air balloon. It had blown off course from Del Mar (Southern California). It didn't land, and kept on going. That was the last I saw of it. I can only imagine the giant Goodyear Blimp instead.
That makes me think of a question I never knew I had: How do they get the Goodyear blimp from site to site? My immediate thought is "they fly it, duh" but do they, or do they break it down and pack it onto trucks?
edit: As best as I can tell from a whole 5 minutes of internet research is that "they fly it, duh", so that's probably why it was over your camp. Going from place to place
That Goodyear blimp is docked in Akron, OH. If you take your location in PA and draw an extended straight line to Akron, you can figure out where it was coming from or going to.
This is one of those stories that is just too weird to be made up. That said, half way through I found myself bracing for mankind throwing the undertaker off the hell in a cell in 19xx haha.
TRHess · 3 points · Posted at 18:38:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Almost mistaken for u/shittymorph, now that's a compliment.
For generations, hundreds of millions of sports fans have seen the iconic Goodyear blimp hanging out above stadiums across the nation. Ever wonder how the thing actually flies?
This 192-foot-long aircraft is a machine with its own set of rules. It's very different from an airplane.
For one, obviously, it has no wings.
Two, it typically flies about 1,500 feet above the ground. Compare that with New York's Chrysler building, which towers about 1,050 feet high.
And another thing: Goodyear's blimps move ... very ... slowly. They max out at about 53 mph but usually they cruise at a conservative 35 mph. I remember when i was younger looking at the blimp on tv and I was eating my cereal and my mother farted beside me and it blew my fruit loops off my spoon.
I've seen it on two different accounts- more likely going from one event to another-
pikk · 1 points · Posted at 19:14:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We never even found out what it was doing there, the place is 20 miles from even the nearest highway, 50 miles from the nearest major city in Pennsylvania.
Probably going from one stadium to the next by the most direct route.
If they were flying from Detroit or Cleveland to New York, Philly, Baltimore, or even Boston, that'd take them over some pretty empty parts of Pennsylvania
Is that when you realised it was the damn Loch Ness Monster trying to take your three giddy?
guttata · 1 points · Posted at 19:40:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They operate two blimps, and one operates out of the Akron-Canton area. I'd bet good money they were flying the Akron blimp to a sporting event - is your camp in a line, more or less, as the crow flies between Akron and any major metro?
I was at my grandparents house in the middle of nowhere. I could hear something that sounded kind of like a plane, but could not see it. When it finally came into view it was an Outback Steakhouse blimp. I had forgotten about it until I saw this post.
It did something similar passing over the horse barn I kept my horse at during high school. I was riding at the time. Spooked the hell out of the horse and about landed my ass in the dirt.
I grew up on the Gulf coast and it was on its way to spring break.
I live in PA too, and a few years ago, we saw the Goodyear blimp fly over our house, I was pretty little, and I don't remember it well, but I know that it happened
Not that it's normal to almost have an airship land on your camp, but Goodyear docks airships near Akron, Ohio. It's likely it was traveling to or from that base.
I walked outside my apartment in south Austin a few years ago and there was a Goodyear blimp doing a similar "maneuver" in the field across from me. It was during f1 or a ut game so it only startled me for a second, but it was my first time seeing a blimp and I was miles from the events so it was certainly a surprise.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girl dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
Goodyear?
No, the worst.
spinfip · 1 points · Posted at 22:49:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Three in the United States. Bases are in Ohio, Florida, and California. There are several Goodyear Blimps operated internationally. However they are flown by local operators and only wear the Goodyear livery.
That hangar is fucking massive. Like, pictures and street view don't do it justice. Then when you realize that the blimp being stored there isn't nearly as big as the airship it was built for..... Just fuckin massive.
jonjiv · 3 points · Posted at 21:33:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're thinking of the Zeppelin hanger at Akron Fulton Airport, which is indeed massive, Goodyear doesn't use it for blimps anymore. They use a much smaller hanger at Wingfoot Lake in Suffield. Fits about two blimps.
There are more like 8-10 Goodyear blimps. And each have a name like Wingfoot 2 or Wingfoot 3. They’re stationed across the country.
Source - used to do work with Goodyear.
Your source is invalid. As per the Goodyear Blimp website, there are 2 blimps (Wingfoot One and Two, Spirit of Innovation has since been decommissioned); and there has been a maximum of 10 Goodyear Blimps, but never at the same time.
There's a guy who travels to each blimps last known location, via blimp, to record the data. He then sends that information via a separate blimp, to the centrally located main blimp.
That's why the numbers vary so much, it's unknown if he is counting the messenger blimps in his total, when they are, in fact, blimps currently in use.
When I was a kid, I lived about a mile away from Goodyear, Arizona and I saw them all the time. Now they seem to all be owned by Met Life, but I don't know how many even they have.
Whoa, I live in Brazil, on a residential area, and throughout my childhood (some 10 years ago) I'd see a GoodYear Blimp flying over my neighborhood O.o
I do live near an airport from where most of the private aircraft in the city take off, and on the biggest city in the country, but wow.
I see the Goodyear blimp by me pretty frequently. According to Goggle, there's 3 Goodyear blimps stationed around the country and one of them is stationed in Pompano, Florida. I live about 30 minutes from Pompano so I see that fucker pretty often.
30 minutes from Akron here. We have the Football HoF so I see it at least once a year. The hangar is fuckin massive.
SkyPork · 2 points · Posted at 18:06:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow ... I remember as a kid I'd see it now and then right outside our window. And I think it was a tiny town in Washington, not a major metro hub. Wonder how we got so lucky....
Goodyear bought two because Heindenberg (the merchant of blimps) told them that Michelin had bought one. Then he sold GM two because he told them that Goodyear also had two blimps. None of the blimps actually worked.
I guess I had really good fortune. During 6th grade (mid 80s) my family moved to Boca Raton Florida. There was a Goodyear blimp stationed about a mile or two from our house (It was called Enterprise back then IIRC). There was also a MetLife blimp based in Miami then. I would routinely see two blimps at the same time. But only the Goodyear had lights all over it to advertise at night. One of my nice Florida memories.
There are 2 Goodyear blimps in North America. And just recently retired the 3rd in 2017. There are also numerous blimps around the world for Goodyear but I cannot find an exact number.
They got 3. One is a blimp, the other two are technically Zeppelins as they have an internal structure. The spirit of innovation is the last of the old "balloon" style and replaced the spirit of akron.
Had a chance to take a ride in the Goodyear blimp in Long Beach California when I was a kid. Wild experience... nearly vertical take off and super loud in the cabin. Pilot steers with foot pedals. Looks so peaceful from the ground
There are actually three right now. They are based out of California, Florida, and Akron, Ohio. As a northeast Ohio resident I see one fly over all the time.
I sometimes run around the blimp base in pompano florida those things are speedy
wjoe · 3 points · Posted at 22:02:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw it in London a few years ago, I think when the Olympics were on here. Surely they can't make transatlantic flights?
Edit: A quick google brings some answers. It was indeed a different blimp to the US ones, Goodyear leased 2 from an airship company and added their livery to it. So it didn't make a transatlantic flight, but it did actually go on to travel around 20 countries in Europe, so they have more range than I thought: http://metro.co.uk/2011/04/19/pictures-goodyear-blimp-airship-takes-a-ride-over-london-652201/
Yeah, the scale screws it up. Here's this mighty air fortress, this icon of advertising -- sitting in a perfectly manicured open field like a picnic prop.
Then some guy comes to a complete stop in the carpool lane and I'm back to reality.
Semi-related fun fact, the Goodyear Blimp isn't technically a blimp at all. It's a Zeppelin.
[deleted] · 74 points · Posted at 16:45:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even more fun fact the good year blimp is in fact a blimp not a zepplin. A zepplin has a somewhat rigid body where as a blimp is kept shape from air pressure alone which is what the good year blimp is
zero blimps. goodyear is using the name blimp, but none of their airships are categorized as blimps, because they hall have semi-rigid internal frames.
Even Funner Fact, you're both partially correct. The Goodyear blimp is a semi-rigid dirigible, ergo a blimp. It is however made by the German corporation Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik GmbH, thus in this sense, it is also a Zeppelin.
The term is actually "Semi-Rigid Airship." Calling them Zeppelins is like calling any facial tissue "Kleenex." They were only called Zeppelins when they were made/designed by Ferdinand von Zeppelin.
Nope. They are Zeppelins.
Model LZ N07-101, constructed by Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik GmbH & Co KG (founded in 1993) a daughter of Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH (founded in 1908) the original Zeppelin company.
I remember going out for a cigarette on my balcony dt Toronto last year... I looked up at the damn thing nearly scared the shit out of me... was just hovering there
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 17:14:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are two. One for regular advertisement, and the other one reads "Ice Cube's a pimp," and will continue to do so until he dies.
Years ago there was one in Spring, TX (just north of Houston). Saw it all the time when we lived in Spring, it was right off of I-45 and we passed it often. It was always cool to see it out of the hangar.
I see the blimp almost at least once or twice a week over the spring and summer. I guess it doesn't hurt that I live 5 minutes from the hanger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
robogo · 1 points · Posted at 22:03:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but the Goodyear blimp reads "ICE CUBE'S A PIMP"
There are two Goodyear blimps. I work in a building connected to the hanger and I see them out all the time when the weather permits. I always used to think there was one until I started working there.
I have a photo of a Goodyear Blimp Lansing at a tiny regional airport in Michigan when my dad was flying his little two-seater. I did not realize how rare that blimp must have been!
Goodyear has three: one in Ohio, one in Florida, and one in California. Akron, Ohio is Goodyear’s world headquarters so lots of us around here know stupid shit about Goodyear
I live in Akron, we see those fuckers all summer long. It's funny when people visit from out of town and are in awe of a blimp. I figured it was normal my whole life.
There are 2, but Goodyear no longer owns them. It's some place in California.
Yeah. It’s fun to watch them toot around the country during football season. You will see them floating around from city to city in the middle of nowhere.
I live in a suburb about an hour outside San Francisco, and when it's in the bay area they park it at the airport in my town. Drive by it every day for like a week when the Super Bowl was here. I think it was here for the finals too.
Damn that's pretty awesome, especially considering they don't have to follow the roads.
b_tight · 2 points · Posted at 21:46:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Going all out probably isnt very efficient fuel-wise though.
[deleted] · 28 points · Posted at 17:15:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For some reason, I'm imagining a blimp flying cross county, on their way to steal your girl.
stir · 8 points · Posted at 19:01:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think they fly to different events. There was a really good How To Do Everything episode about it - apparently there have been more astronauts than blimp pilots
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 17:59:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The larger airships don't deflate easily. Since they rely mostly on airpressure to keep their shape, they require internal support structure to get any sort of speed and maneouverability.
Helium is also expensive, and wouldn't make financial sense to deflate them only to re-inflate them with more helium. Especially because they're going to need to transport helium there anyway, might as well use a gigantic blimp.
They fly to different events. It’s common to see one flying around Texas for all the football games during the season. Since I lived in central Texas, I’d see one going from Dallas to Austin and Austin to Houston....
I saw the MetLife blimp in Ankeny, IA several years ago. There was no reason to be there that I could think of. I thought it must have been stopping on its way somewhere else.
There's an Appliances Online one in Sydney. 13 is such bullshit. American centric stats. But more importantly why isn't there a 24/7 blimp tracker so we can watch all the blimps.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 17:27:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I missed Swenson's when I moved from Akron to Cleveland, and then they opened one five minutes away from me on the east side of Cleveland last week! Now I'm gonna be fat again!
When I was in college I seriously ate at the North Hill location twice a week. It was my motivation to get out of bed and commute on days where I only had one class.
Moved to Columbus last year and I’m the same way lol. Every time I’m back home I get me a galley boy. Heard they may be opening one in Dublin down here though so I’m pumped!
velifer · 2 points · Posted at 17:25:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not from Akron at all, but we definitely yelled "BLLLLIIIIIIMMMMP" whenever we saw one.
pezman · 3 points · Posted at 16:54:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
pretty sure one of them is actually stationed around there/medina
velifer · 9 points · Posted at 17:28:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Goodyear Airdock is at Akron Fulton Airport. Imagine a building that could store several blimps IN ONE CORNER. Got to tour it once. It was hard to grasp just how big it was.
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 16:54:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 19:13:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's talking about the giant piloted ones with the crew cabs on the bottom. More common advertising blimps are smaller non-piloted or RC controlled blimps.
Living in Northeast Ohio, I've gotten so accustomed to seeing the Goodyear Blimp passing overhead in its route from Akron to Cleveland that I never considered that it could be considered a rare sight.
i lived in a small town in poland and saw them sometimes. now i live in germany and see them as well so i guess they exist in europe. and it's really hard to believe there are only 13. EDIT: just found out the ones used in poland are small, about 13m long and steered (?) from the ground
Really? I've lived in Ireland, Italy and France and have never seen any there or in any other countries I've been in. I'd love to see one though, they only exist in my imagination from old black and white photos or in cartoon form from the Simpsons haha
The Zeppelin company still builds big ass zeppelins (predecessor of the company that build the hindenburg), And apparently goodyear got rid of their blimps 2014 and replaced them with mighty zeppelins.
So if you ever feel like spending your holiday in southern germany you can probably find one at the lake of constance. There's the Zeppelin "airport" and you can even check when there are flights over the lake of constance.
You can even book a flight, they're not cheap but I'd say affordable if you really like zeppelins. But i personally think watching it from the ground over the lake of constance is almost better. But they don't fly when there's bad weather (too much wind or rain). And they don't explode anymore, so it is a lot less exciting.
they're not cheap but I'd say affordable if you really like zeppelins
€455
I don't think I like zeppelins that much. For €455 I expect explosions goddammit.
Ben77mc · 1 points · Posted at 03:12:13 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see them in Manchester, UK literally all the time and I've definitely seen more than just the same one.
I even saw one in a remote part of Cheshire a couple of weeks ago when there was no reason for it to be there - no sport or music event anywhere near the area. Very strange for there to be only 13 worldwide, it really doesn't make any sense to me haha.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:12:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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bmur90 · 3 points · Posted at 00:44:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Solberg is down the street from me and used to have the Goodyear blimp stationed there for use in NYC. However, since Trump was elected and visits his golf course, the airspace is shut down more often and the blimp relocated it's hanger.
When I lived in Boston, I would sometimes use the Hood blimp as my reference. "Okay, so Fenway Park is there and I'm... yep, still in Cambridge going the wrong way."
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[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:15:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well now I feel special that the blimp come to my city every year c:. When I was in college, they were here almost every weekend for the football games. Idk why, I just like blimps, they are cool. Cities: Skylines had an expansion for Mass Transit that included blimps - literally all my cities in that game have blimps.
Every major football game has the following:
-fireworks
-jets flying overhead at the end of the anthem
-halftime show
-the Goodyear blimp
This is a rivalry game between Auburn and Alabama (two universities out of the thousand of universities in the US).
tulvia · 2 points · Posted at 00:59:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When i was in college (2008-2012) i had to drive past a small airport here in palm beach county florida that 2 blimps would regularly "park" for days on end. Saw them in operation too.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:46:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a photo of a Tommy Hilfiger blimp over my parents house somewhere in our childhood photo albums. Probably right next to a photo of us playing with our tamagotchis.
wakka54 · 1 points · Posted at 17:05:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's probably just one in your city. I've never seen one in my life and my city's won the superbowl plenty of times.
BigE429 · 1 points · Posted at 17:07:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I grew up relatively close to Republic Airport on Long Island. Whenever the US Open was going on at the tennis center in Queens, the blimp would park at Republic. It was always so cool driving past the airport on the highway and seeing that thing.
Well that's interesting. I always thought the blimp/blimps lived here in Cleveland, or in Akron at the Goodyear plant. It seems like it's flying around for almost every sporting event.
I saw a Goodyear blimp go across my tiny ass hometown in California.
ExBalks · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This thing flew over my house. At the moment...I was blimp worthy
Trelga · 1 points · Posted at 17:38:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My mind is pretty blown. I mean just watching college football you see so many blimps on Saturdays. I wonder why they haven’t made more. I’m sure people would buy the advertising space.
I used to live a half mile from the Goodyear hangar in Pompano Beach. Its takeoff and landing approach took it very low over my house. I'd see it day after day but never really got used to how eerie it is to have this giant slow moving UFO thing hovering above you.
The Navy also operated a big white blimp in the area too as a submarine spotter, so I had two blimps hovering around. I wonder if that's the only place in the world one is likely to see two blimps in the sky on the same day.
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An AED doubles your chances! but that's only to 1 in 10.
90 - 95% of hearts that stop do not restart
[deleted] · 20101 points · Posted at 15:05:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The movies tell me all I have to do is scream at them to wake up and it works.
That would technically be true. Although you wouldn't receive dessert for an infinite amount of time, depending on if there is an afterlife or reincarnation.
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princeofphatz · 861 points · Posted at 17:18:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tourette's with coprolalia (involuntary swearing). Only about 10% of Tourette's patients have this symptom. Because of this misconception, I would also say that having Tourette's is more common than you would think (1 in every 160 children between 5 and 17, or 1 in 100 children if including all tic disorders, according to Tourette Association of America - https://www.tourette.org/about-tourette/overview/what-is-tourette/).
instant__regret-85 · 38 points · Posted at 01:41:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would like to thank South Park for exposing me to this, and the Tourette Association of America apparently agrees
Opt1mus_ · 28 points · Posted at 02:07:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, that episode was extremely well researched which is very uncommon with TV and disorders. The closest I can even think of is how BoJack Horseman deals with depression.
Black6x · 8 points · Posted at 01:15:26 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of South Park is well researched.
PJMonster · 2 points · Posted at 05:32:48 on April 21, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pisssssss coming from my asssssss
SciJedi · 21 points · Posted at 01:38:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a student with Tourette’s (I’m a tutor). He would make squeaking noises and maybe some involuntary jerks once in a while. As far as I was concerned it wasn’t a big deal. As he got older, both happened less and he got better at just working through it. We never talked about how it affected him in class but with me he was doing really well.
princeofphatz · 12 points · Posted at 14:18:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lots of people outgrow it. Others adapt by replacing their tics with less noticeable ones.
arealapple · 12 points · Posted at 09:52:13 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy shit, TIL I have Tourette's.
princeofphatz · 7 points · Posted at 18:10:52 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Welcome to the club! Sorry, we don't really have any membership perks.
Firemanz · 12 points · Posted at 15:08:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There was a lady in the choir at my grandparents' church that had the face-twitching kind. The choir would sit on stage behind the pastor throughout the entire sermon. I never heard a word of the sermon because I couldn't stop staring at her making faces at the preacher.
couramment · 9 points · Posted at 07:07:34 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Learned this at my middle school; a student in another class had Tourettes and thus had involuntary ticks and would make small noises, however he also frequently shouted entire sentences littered with every curse word in the book (often insulting someone or something in particular as well), while blaming it on his Tourettes. As 13 year olds, the shoutind and swearing fit with our general (mis)understanding of Tourettes and the teachers never called him out so it wasn't until about two years later that a new teacher described hoe Tourettes actually presents to our class, and told us to stand up for ourselves if he was verbally abusive because he COULD control it.
zapdostresquatro · 6 points · Posted at 23:04:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And about 1 in 4 people have tics at some point in their lives! If you pay attention, you’ll start noticing a lot of people with blinking tics
Robot_marmot · 4 points · Posted at 15:43:45 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a mild blinking tic on my left eye and sometimes people(especially teachers) will wink back to me.
Shraquille · 5 points · Posted at 21:01:42 on February 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I have Tourette's and I get this a lot.
TrulyMadlyWeedly · 5 points · Posted at 21:15:22 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Copralolia? Shitty mouth. Wow. Didn't realize that's what it was called.
Hanhsquad · 2 points · Posted at 12:00:01 on February 22, 2018 · (Permalink)
Me and my 2 brothers had it for a couple of years when we were younger. Mild cases, no swearing or anything, but it did take over your life no matter how mild. I’ve never really looked into it, but I’m curious to know why all of us had it to some degree or another. I’m wondering if it’s somehow genetic now that I have 3 kids of my own now.
Cyber-Gon · 1 points · Posted at 17:16:03 on May 14, 2018 · (Permalink)
3 months late haha, but I have Tourette's and one of my tics is swearing. I have others too, but quite a bit of it is swearing. I have often actually been told I am faking my Tourette's because "nobody with Tourette's actually swears"
princeofphatz · 1 points · Posted at 19:26:39 on May 14, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sorry to hear that, I'm sure it's not easy. Do you often get people treating it like a party trick and riling you up just to get you to swear? I imagine that would get old pretty quick.
Cyber-Gon · 2 points · Posted at 19:33:34 on May 14, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I remember once in my old school people used to say stuff like "swear if your gay" or "say yellow (another one of my tics) if you hate everyone here" I'm much happier now though
goldrhyno · 6802 points · Posted at 17:24:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Successfully saving someone trapped by a fire, via re-entering a burning building. The mortality rate for this is really high and fire departments have petitioned to stop showing this in movies because it usually results in another life being lost.
aallqqppzzmm · 2821 points · Posted at 01:59:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Had a kitchen fire when I was a teenager and after some moderate panicking trying to put it out with the sink, my mom and sister went outside and called the fire department, and I was like "oh yeah, there's an outside!" and went and got the hose and put the fire out.
The firefighters showed up and were like "you put out the fire? Nice job dude. But NEVER GO BACK INSIDE. EVER. But nice job putting that fire out. NOT EVEN ONCE, YOU UNDERSTAND ME?"
It was a little weird. I didn't really know how to feel about it at the time, because it makes sense, safety being more important than damaged property, but in this particular instance I never felt like I was in danger. But, presumably, other people who went back into burning buildings also felt like they weren't gonna die, but they did.
BlissnHilltopSentry · 436 points · Posted at 03:00:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even when the fire hasn't grown too big and isn't dangerous to you, it can produce a lot of smoke, and that's the shit that will get you in a confined space.
Also if you spend significant time in the building, or have to go in far from an exit, the fire can spread to block the path you came in by.
aallqqppzzmm · 36 points · Posted at 03:37:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That makes a lot of sense, and I don't disagree with any of that in general. But specifically for this instance I don't feel like I was in any danger. But that's just the kind of thought you've got to question the accuracy of. It's plausible that most people who die in fires felt the exact same way regarding how dangerous they felt it was.
It's just that in this instance my gut feeling about the dangers inherent in that specific fire were correct. It was just a tiny fire that would have been easily put out, except it was on the underside of a low shelf in a cabinet and it was hard to get water on it. The area was pretty open, grabbing the hose and getting back took maybe 15 seconds during which the fire couldn't really spread because there was water all around it.
The whole scenario runs an eerie parallel to the ineffectiveness of abstinence-only education. Like... You're a teenager and an adult tells you that Marijuana will ruin your life, but you know a pothead and he seems like he's not giving bjs in the park for his next fix, so you have your doubts that Marijuana will always ruin your life. Or they say that not having sex is the only way to prevent pregnancy, except you're already having sex and nobody's getting pregnant, so you wonder if other things work but they "have" to tell you that just to keep things simple.
Similarly, I was being told that it's never a good idea to go back into the house, when I had just prevented thousands of dollars of property damage without suffering any personal harm by doing just that, leaving me wondering about the actual facts that led to them saying that. Maybe it's sometimes a good idea (like in my case) but they don't want to encourage it because it's often a bad idea. Maybe it's sometimes a good idea, but civilians shouldn't ever do it anyway because they don't have the training to determine whether it's a good or bad idea. Maybe it's always a bad idea, because the exact symptoms I described for my fire could either be dangerous or not, and there's no way to tell until after its all over.
But that's not what they said. They didn't say "hey, things turned out okay this time, but don't do it in the future because that fire might have been much more dangerous than it appeared, even though it turned out to be easily handled." They just said never go back into the house.
sdmitch16 · 18 points · Posted at 05:44:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty sure this is the answer along with trained personal can't see through the building and don't know the flammability of every substance known to mankind.
[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 03:47:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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aallqqppzzmm · 14 points · Posted at 03:52:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure, and if the answer was "hey, it turned out okay for you this time, but a fire that looked just like that one could very easily have put enough CO into the air to knock you unconscious with no warning, so don't do it" then that would have been a fantastic response. But as it was, I was a kid who wasn't sure if he was being condescended to or if it was actually always a bad idea to go back in.
Master_GaryQ · 1 points · Posted at 22:30:13 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dude, they didn't get to hit things with axes or train a high pressure hose on your house - of course they were annoyed! /s
hardcore_hero · 8 points · Posted at 03:51:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I think it's most likely the outcome of looking at the big picture statistics saying that thousands of incidents ended in a fatality and that the one solution to preventing all of those fatalities would have required the people simply not re entering the dangerous environment. In the end not every situation is the same, so they just go with the default position of saying to never do it, period.
Frolic-A-holic · 5 points · Posted at 11:11:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think the reason they said that was because most people panic and lose their ability to make a correct assessment of the situation. In this case you made a good judgement call. The next person might not, and so they don't want to encourage people. Plus there are things in houses that can explode when heated up. Things like aerosol cooking spray which can throw pieces of metal into your body.
Fire_balls_ · 5 points · Posted at 12:46:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depending on the smoke, it might just take one breath to kill you. Any victim we remove from a house fire gets a cyanide antidote. The smoke from a normal house fire contains enough cyanide that people die from that alone, even if we fix their other issues.
Plus the smoke and air can be so hot that it burns your lungs. Your lungs respond be swelling and putting off fluid and the person dies later at the hospital.
atwoodathome · 225 points · Posted at 03:00:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Love the fact they complimented you but also discouraged you from ever doing that again. Firefighters have such a difficult job. I’m glad the family and you are OK!
GraveyardOperations · 77 points · Posted at 03:11:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Firefighters and EMTs are true heroes. They deserve more cash in their pockets. :c
chikendagr8 · 22 points · Posted at 03:28:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don’t know about EMTs but I know firefighters make pretty good money. They also probably have really good benefits.
bitterberries · 55 points · Posted at 04:16:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
We rely heavily on volunteer firefighters, they get zero $$…
Also, #1 cause of death and disability for firefighters is cancer due to the large amount of carcinogens released when all the plastics in house fires burn
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 03:30:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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chikendagr8 · 3 points · Posted at 03:32:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m sure as you start to get more experience with firefighting the pay increases to a nice amount.
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 03:37:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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chikendagr8 · 9 points · Posted at 04:01:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s pretty bad to be honest. They definitely need a better pay for 15 years
Korhaka · -4 points · Posted at 09:35:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Where do you live that 30k sucks?
bigchebo · 16 points · Posted at 13:55:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Everywhere in America
Nemesis823 · 1 points · Posted at 15:26:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can make a modest living in Texas. Still not the best though.
CMDR_UNEXPLORED · 8 points · Posted at 04:16:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure a lot of firefighters also have extensive EMT training.
chikendagr8 · 8 points · Posted at 04:17:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know, but those are still two different professions.
Damarkus13 · 5 points · Posted at 04:30:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The vast majority of fire departments require their firefighters to get EMT certifications.
Most firefighters are EMTs. Not all EMTs are firefighters.
Totalityclause · 3 points · Posted at 04:46:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most firefighters are EMT, but also volunteer. Qualification makes almost no difference, because there's enough people volunteering waiting for a paid position to open up, that they don't need to open up any positions.
Damarkus13 · 1 points · Posted at 05:54:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even in the departments around here, which don't give preference to volunteers, career positions are filled via testing. Already having your EMT cert doesn't help you get the job.
Totalityclause · 1 points · Posted at 06:06:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But thats... What I'm saying. The conversation was about how a working EMT and a working firefighter shouldn't have their pay scale compared because the rate of unpaid volunteers is drastically different. You just kept iterating that firefighters had EMT certifications, like that compared them.
krisphoto · 2 points · Posted at 07:37:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're not two different professions in most areas. All the counties around me are staffed by people that are at least firefighter/EMTs if not higher and it's those same people staffing both the engines and the ambulances interchangeably.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 04:12:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty good money compared to what? $33,975-$56,625 is not 'pretty good money' in most areas.
chikendagr8 · 3 points · Posted at 04:14:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m sorry but I didn’t know how much they make. That is a fine salary here. I’m basing it off of what I’ve seen in my area. A firefighter around here owns a Tesla (which are VERY rare where I live).
Blinliblybli · 2 points · Posted at 09:51:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe he comes from wealth or married it. I’ve known a couple wealthy firefighters with family money.
Fire_balls_ · 1 points · Posted at 12:38:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a firefighter and a paramedic and make well over 6 figures when you include all the overtime I work
Dezib · 1 points · Posted at 11:12:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In berlin the local government just denied a law that would stop unpaid overtime from expiring for government employees.
Berlin apparently still has to pay its firefighters their overtime for the last 14 years. They are literally refusing to pay until they will no longer be legally required to.
What are you gonna do? Sue the police?
RanaktheGreen · 21 points · Posted at 04:16:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just like being a parent or teacher.
Don't you ever fight someone again you understand me? But you were so brave to stand up for your friend. And if you ever do it again I will crucify you. But seriously though, that was dope you should be proud of yourself. And I hope we never have this conversation again.
aallqqppzzmm · 10 points · Posted at 03:38:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks! You seem nice.
atwoodathome · 8 points · Posted at 03:52:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Aw, thanks. You seem sweet. I had a very similar experience putting out a car fire while waiting for the firefighters to arrive. They finished off the job and told me to never try that again.
aallqqppzzmm · 7 points · Posted at 04:02:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That sounds like a moderately interesting story.
Unrelatedly, the way you said a car fire rather than saying it was your car gave me a quick mental image of just some car burning in a lot with nobody around, and then you kinda look around with what the fuck hands (ya know, arms out to either side, elbows bent, palms up, fingers splayed) before dealing with it. Just sorta... "Welp, guess I'm putting out a fire now."
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 08:38:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hahahaha that's a fun mental image
melperz · -1 points · Posted at 05:32:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah they just don't want you stealing their jobs
ARM_Alaska · 44 points · Posted at 03:03:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not only did they likely die, but they also put firefighters at a greater risk.. When we get a report of someone inside it changes the whole game plan. It goes from getting on scene and putting water on fire to getting on scene faster and going in to find the victim before they perish. All of which also results in a greater loss to the structure due to the delay in fire attack until the victim is located.
bitterberries · 12 points · Posted at 04:14:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a friend in high school who had half her face melted off because when she was a little kid she ran back into the house to get her favourite pj's.
Edit: Just to be clear, the house was burning down when she went back in
The_NGUYENNER · 9 points · Posted at 05:07:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow.. I feel like this one was 100% influenced by movies/TV
Master_GaryQ · 1 points · Posted at 22:38:12 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Were the pyjamas saved?
bitterberries · 2 points · Posted at 05:32:52 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Asking the important questions. I believe they were a polyester Minnie mouse and completely melted.
starmancer · 5 points · Posted at 03:41:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Got it, Mr. Fireman. Next fire, I won't go back inside."
yottalogical · 4 points · Posted at 17:02:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Under many situations, pouring water on a fire is the worst thing to do.
aallqqppzzmm · 5 points · Posted at 17:25:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wasn't a grease fire. I don't think burning wood is one of those situations.
tbdjw · 3 points · Posted at 04:33:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Truthfully it's situationally dependant yet no one is really in a position to determine whether it's safe enough to do without any experience with structure fires.
SageHunter · 3 points · Posted at 09:30:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah the danger with fire is the carbon dioxide. Even if the fire doesn't seen that unmanageable, suddenly you pass out, due to lack of oxygen, surrounded by ever growing flames
ConstantReader76 · 3 points · Posted at 09:57:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Monoxide.
SageHunter · 3 points · Posted at 10:01:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Carbon monoxide is the more dangerous one, yes. Meant to say that. However, the carbon dioxide alone also causes this effect
btstfn · 3 points · Posted at 15:29:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like to picture it as them defending their turf.
"Listen guy, we've got a union. Don't you ever fucking try to do our work again you got me"
amarras · 2 points · Posted at 00:45:43 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also important, DONT DELAY CALLING 911 TO PUT OUT THE FIRE. You won't put it out, the fire will just grow, and you just delayed the fire department X amount of minutes. Many fires would have been significantly more manageable, or resulted in significantly less loss (a single room vs the whole house), if people called 911 first, instead of trying and failing to put out the fire
emwonktnoduoy · 2 points · Posted at 01:24:52 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Modern houses burn like a son of a bitch. Also toxic superheated smoke can kill you quicker than a rabbit gets fucked.
Silverdragon701 · 2 points · Posted at 00:39:48 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Heroism: not even once
Steammaster1234 · 2 points · Posted at 23:24:13 on February 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
Remember, for grease fires: ALWAYS use water
drunk98 · 2 points · Posted at 05:53:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If everyone did what you did, they'd be unemployed!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 13:50:20 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree with you here, seems like the firefighter may have had a bad experience or something and was overreacting with some blown out of proportion "worst case scenario" type thinking. Maybe in his mind 90% of the time someone tries to go back inside, even with something tiny, they end up dying. But who knows. Based on what you've explained below with all the circumstances being as such...seems like he was being a little silly.
aallqqppzzmm · 2 points · Posted at 14:30:04 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that. It seems more like "never go back into a burning building" is simple, solid advice that will prevent 100% of potential injuries or deaths from going back into burning buildings if people follow it. Even if it's not always necessary.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 14:36:32 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah and what if they dont have insurance? Or a loved one is about to die? And the fire is small? It's not so easy to just "Never go back" then. The overreactionary advice of "Never" isn't taking into account individual judgment and multitude of circumstance. You can die while riding a bike..NEVER RIDE A BIKE! You can choke on water...NEVER DRINK WATER...You can choke on food. NEVER EAT FOOD!
gamma-draconis · 1 points · Posted at 00:03:22 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to teach fire safety to elementary school kids. I was emphasizing that they must not return to the house NO MATTER WHAT and to save all the rescuing to the fire department. A little boy raised his hand and goes, “I’m sorry, but I am NOT leaving my dog inside.” I teared up a little bit.
link0007 · 1 points · Posted at 13:45:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're just afraid of people taking their jobs, making them irrelevant, or maybe just because they really like putting out fires.
[deleted] · -21 points · Posted at 03:55:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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aallqqppzzmm · 18 points · Posted at 04:04:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I read that a few times trying to see if there was any relevance, but at this point I think I can say with a moderate degree of certainty that you may have replied to the wrong comment, friend-o.
NewDayDawns · 23 points · Posted at 04:26:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Obviously he meant that if you walk back into a burning building, there is a very low chance you will be raped inside it. Most people who complain of being raped when they went back into a burning building are lying for the attention.
In reality rapists hate fires, so you are safest from them in burning buildings.
RanaktheGreen · 15 points · Posted at 04:17:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not to mention using a "source" from 1985.
[deleted] · 46 points · Posted at 02:54:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As much as I know this to be true, if I thought there was even a slight chance of saving my friend, family or hell even my cat, I’d try. Probably not for a stranger though, idk.
PoiLethe · 22 points · Posted at 03:26:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd probably die while looking for my already escaped pets. My cat in particular has a penchant for obscure napping spots and if I had lost track of him (which I usually don't) I'd have a terrible time finding him and coaxing him out of said spot. Though he has good enough intuition when it comes to flight or flight that he would probably have managed flight well before anything got out of control.
zayap18 · 27 points · Posted at 03:33:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cats tend to hide and perish. Source: am firefighter
EDIT: It really sucks finding the body after fires. I'd say they're probably the most common casualty. Dogs actually manage to get out a lot or are hanging out by the front or back door when we get there.
PoiLethe · 15 points · Posted at 03:38:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I figured as much. I will now pretend my cat is superior in the case of a fire. If his bones don't melt or get damaged I will keep them. -back to denial- my cat is superior and knows how to open my window and escape. The dogs only hope is the little ones ability to nose open doors and climb on the back of the couch in front of the window.
happypolychaetes · 13 points · Posted at 04:44:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I worry about the house burning down, I couldn't care less about losing my possessions. It's the thought of my poor kitties being trapped that terrifies me. There's no way to avoid it, either; you can't teach a cat where to go when there's a fire. Ugh, I just hope I'm never in that position.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 06:28:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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CockFullOfDicks · 4 points · Posted at 18:44:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Flame throwers, duh.
PugSwagMaster · 5 points · Posted at 04:34:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
:c
Pachi2Sexy · 30 points · Posted at 02:54:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can imagine some crazy engineers creating a portable tunnel that extends into the building and is able to hold it's own and the collapsing building's weight. Like an extending hallway or something.
aelios · 21 points · Posted at 04:46:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would make it easy to find the body when they suffocate.
Xenoguru · 36 points · Posted at 02:59:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I went into a burning building for my pregnant wife's dog. Really bad move in hindsight but of all she was about to lose it couldn't be the dog. Hate the beast but I don't regret it.
itsthewoo · 27 points · Posted at 04:35:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think the broader point applied to your situation is that your pregnant wife could have lost both her dog as well as her husband. I'm sure you had a better grasp on the situation than random redditors, but the overall point is that you ought to err pretty heavily on the side of concluding you won't be able to make it.
IiteraIIy · 10 points · Posted at 05:44:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
i agree with itsthewoo, i would've hated if my pet died but I would've hated it even more if both my pet and partner died. you should be incredibly thankful that everything turned out okay.
AtomicFreeze · 13 points · Posted at 03:01:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Similar thing happens to people who are trying to save someone else from drowning.
LawlausaurusRex · 12 points · Posted at 03:28:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Could you expand on this? I'd like to visualize the situation, re entering a burning building, what to expect and why I will die.
zayap18 · 26 points · Posted at 03:38:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As fire spreads in a building it releases flammable and toxic gasses in the smoke, as you re-enter a building more than likely you're leaving a door open giving the fire more oxygen which builds the fire and creates more heat. You can either die of asphyxiation from all the oxygen burning up or the smoke displacing it in your breath, or you can reach flashover where the heat of the fire is great enough to ignite the gasses it's been releasing from the things it's been burning. At that point everything ignites at once, even the air, effectively roasting you to death as the temperature will rise a few hundred degrees (barely if at all survivable in bunker gear and scba) and as the fire will be everywhere even if you somehow live through the heat you will not be getting any oxygen. Source: am firefighter
EDIT: The fire can also spread behind you, trapping you from any escape.
LawlausaurusRex · 6 points · Posted at 04:38:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cool, thanks for the answer, very interesting. So I'm guessing that at this stage, even firefighters don't go in the building to save ppl? If I'm stuck in a big fire now I know I'd better try my chance jumping out the window rather than going through all that hell!
zayap18 · 10 points · Posted at 04:41:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're in a closed room you honestly should be safe from the flashover so please don't kill yourself jumping out a window, but please don't sit with the window open either, as that will pull the fire towards you. If we get water on the fire early we can typically prevent flashover, but sometimes it's occured before we ever arrived.
LawlausaurusRex · 3 points · Posted at 05:07:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah didn't mean kill myself, but like if it's just a small 3 stories building like I used to live in , I would jump on a tree and climb down, or climb down to the balcony below through the window.
goldrhyno · 9 points · Posted at 03:44:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I only knew about this from one of those school talks they force you to go to where a fireman or policemen lecture you but I was able to dig up some answers for you. Early escape from fire can largely be the product of good luck when people try to re-enter there are some basic things they forget.
The way you got out originally may not be safe for a return trip especially considering how fast a fire can grow. Your planned escape route can become a blaze.
The fire will use up a lot of oxygen the longer it goes. The threat of asphyxiation is going to be another invisible threat along with the obvious threat of the fire.
Your thinking ability is probably severely diminished. Not just from the normal panic of an emergency situation but an excess of Carbon Monoxide caused by fire is probably affecting your thought processes and diminishing your brain power. You're reasonable and heroic decision to re-enter may be the same thing as a black out drunk person deciding he knows his limits and is perfectly fine to drive home.
I'm sure there may be more reasons but those were the big ones.
happypolychaetes · 5 points · Posted at 04:46:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plus opening a door could cause a rush of oxygen into the room, which will make the fire much worse.
Care_Cup_Is_Empty · 2 points · Posted at 03:36:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Smoke.
udayserection · 10 points · Posted at 03:00:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This was darker than what I was ready for.
zefstyle · 10 points · Posted at 07:02:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd probably rather die in a house fire with my children than watch them burn.
DevilRenegade · 9 points · Posted at 10:06:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Plan your way out, and have a backup just to be sure."
My uncle was a firefighter, then due to an injury became a fire scene investigator and he gave me this advice years ago. I did a fire safety course at work not long ago and we were shown the videos of the Station nightclub fire as well as the Bradford City Stadium fire and it's frightening how quickly a normal situation can go south (check out the Bradford video (NSFW), the fire is first seen at 0:26 and by 3:03 the whole 5,300 seater stand is engulfed). According to my uncle in these kinds of situations, most people's instinct will be to simply head for the main entrance to a structure, when often this isn't the easiest or safest way out. In most cases there will be a much closer exit. Now, whenever I'm in an unfamiliar building, especially a crowded one such as a concert hall or cinema, I'll always take a minute to look around and decide in my mind "if the shit hits the fan, I'm heading this way, and if it's blocked for any reason, I'm going that way."
Never had to use this advice yet, but anything can happen at any time.
ABoxOfFlies · 9 points · Posted at 17:53:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I went back in for my dog. Had to cross a hallway, enter kitchen and leave the same way.
I thought I could hold my breath, holy shit was I wrong. I threw up as soon as I got outside and when I showered that night, my lungs closed up, ended up in hospital for smoke inhalation.
0/11. Would not recommend.
Edit: edited.
DuckDuckYoga · 3 points · Posted at 17:39:59 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
But did you save the dog?
ABoxOfFlies · 5 points · Posted at 18:05:32 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of course I did! She followed me right out.
DuckDuckYoga · 3 points · Posted at 20:05:55 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Phew okay. That’s good but scary that you couldn’t breathe in the shower
Firemanz · 7 points · Posted at 14:37:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a former firefighter, it was viewed as EXTREMELY irresponsible and dangerous to go into a burning building alone. If a firefighter ever did like the movies and ignored orders and just ran inside, they would be kicked off the department if they ever did come back out alive.
DevilRenegade · 6 points · Posted at 10:41:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Similarly, part of my job involves working in confined spaces accessing cabling ducting and risers etc. There's a crapton of confined spaces working regulations in this country that have to be met when working in spaces such as these.
The work we do is classed as very low risk confined space but a friend of mine works at a chemical processing plant and sometimes has to enter empty chemical holding tanks or pressure vessels to clean out sediment and other contaminants by hand. Obviously these are massively high risk.
There was an incident a few years back at his place when a new management team took over and the cleanup crews were ordered to go in and clean out an unknown sediment layer without proper breathing apparatus. They had air-fed fume hoods but these were nowhere near sufficient protection. Previously they would bring a specialist contract company onsite who had all the necessary BA gear and training to carry out the work safely but the new management didn't want to spend the money. The union got involved and there was threats of the company being reported to the HSE for endangering life.
Weirdly though, according to one of the BA contractors i was speaking to previously mentioned that it's usually the confined spaces classified as low risk that are the biggest killers. Apparently when it's an obvious high risk situation or when nasty chemicals are involved, you're more inclined to treat it with caution, yet it's in a seemingly harmless space that stuff tends to go wrong. Apparently what usually happens is Person A enters an unknown space without a risk assessment or the proper protective equipment, passes out. Person B enters the space to try to retrieve Person A, passes out. If they're lucky, Person C calls the fire brigade and once they arrive on site and suit up, enter the space to retrieve two bodies. If they're unlucky, there is no Person C.
lemonchickentellya · 5 points · Posted at 04:53:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
To go along with the first responder theme, I'd like to add bringing someone back with chest compressions. Rarely results in life unfortunately.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 05:53:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't the purpose to maintain a flow of oxygenated blood to the brain so that brain function is maintained until (hopefully) the person can be brought back by other means? Like an AED?
Fire_balls_ · 4 points · Posted at 12:55:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You don't use an AED on everyone though. Their heart must be in V-tach or V-fib. Otherwise we don't shock them (because it would not help)
At the start of us working a cardiac arrest I drill an IV needle into their shin bone so that we can quickly start giving them different medications and fluid to help increase the chances of getting a heart beat back
TJKbird · 2 points · Posted at 15:46:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes this is exactly what CPR is for and you should still do it if you are able to.
DuckDuckYoga · 1 points · Posted at 17:37:48 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember another thread where people pointed out that AED’s aren’t meant to bring people back to life either, that’s movie stuff
Edit: scrolled a little further down and someone mentions it here too
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7sml19/what_is_extremely_rare_but_people_think_its_very/dt8ldxs/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=api&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=AskReddit
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 05:48:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was on a small, rural volunteer firefighting team for a while. Even though we practiced for entering a structure fire and searching/rescuing victims, they said that they'd essentially never send us into an actively burning building, for this very reason. We had too few people for effective backup and medical care was too far away.
CoconutCyclone · 3 points · Posted at 03:22:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right? Only go in for pets.
throwbrianaway · 4 points · Posted at 07:07:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My neighbors house was on fire and my 60+ year old father ran in to save their dog. They were away at a relatives. I was in shock that he could without thinking, do such a heroic thing. The house burnt down and is being rebuilt. I dont know what I would have done.
clester · 4 points · Posted at 21:00:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Career firefighter here, I can vouch.
Even more so for heart attack (myocardial infarction) and save rate via the AED (defibrillator).
There are thousands of rhythms your heart can be in during a heart attack, the AED only works with 2 of them and does nothing for a flat line.
Out of probably a couple hundred tries, I've gotten 3 saves, and I've got a good record compared to most.
Lanxy · 5 points · Posted at 01:22:01 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
jup, the father of a friend of mine died while going back inside to retrieve his harddisks and laptop. I really didn't know how to respond when she told me this story.
Fire_balls_ · 3 points · Posted at 13:01:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's just a little smoke and fire. Don't worry that the air can be so hot that one breath could so badly burn your airway and lungs that you die. Also don't worry about the smoke being so poisonous that we literally administer a cyanide antidote to any viable vitamin we are able to remove from the building.
RichToffee · 2 points · Posted at 19:15:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Smoke is your worse enemy in a fire. Wherever you are in your house right now, take a deep breath and try to run to your nearest exit, see if you can do it.
TheFatMistake · 3 points · Posted at 03:23:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Didn't senator Cory Booker do this once?
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/nyregion/newark-mayor-cory-booker-saves-woman-from-house-fire.html?referer=http://www.google.com/
MantisMike · 1 points · Posted at 04:07:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Intense.
tiddu · 1 points · Posted at 10:26:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless you are a dragon queen
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:11:28 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
But we all know you're not supposed to do that. That's why it's so heroic. Stupid, I know.
eatfuks · 1 points · Posted at 20:14:50 on February 2, 2018 · (Permalink)
negative, fuck you
nosurprises23 · 1 points · Posted at 17:55:36 on February 22, 2018 · (Permalink)
RIP Jack Pearson
kwhateverdude · 1 points · Posted at 22:53:44 on June 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
My friend died this way :(
portobello_mushroom · 1 points · Posted at 22:21:54 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Big hero 6 got it right
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:08:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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frodolives7 · 1 points · Posted at 03:54:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Seriously? Posting spoilers? Not everyone has caught up
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:57:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not a spoiler when the general idea has been shown on previews for months
frodolives7 · 1 points · Posted at 04:02:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just started the show on hulu so haven't seen previews.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:07:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah- Didn't realize it was on Hulu or streaming services for that matter. I'm going to delete my comment so that I don't spoil it for others, too. So sorry to have spoiled it for you!
frodolives7 · 1 points · Posted at 04:10:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's alright, just thought I'd point it out in case someone was behind like me
Armando_Munoz · 1 points · Posted at 18:07:22 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
not saying i don't believe you, do you have sources of the mortality rate? I wanna have something to cite when I tell people about this.
GunsGermsAndSteel · 16085 points · Posted at 18:00:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Burglary in the middle of the night.
Burglary happens most often during the day, when nobody is home. No burglar wants to break in and try to sneak around your place while you’re sleeping. His biggest concern is to evade detection. It makes more sense to work in the daytime.
In all likelihood, that noise you heard outside was a car or raccoon or your imagination.
Go to sleep.
EDIT: Gold? Thanks but I was gonna break in and steal all your gold anyway.
moustachesamurai · 8853 points · Posted at 22:43:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's exactly what a burglar would say, don't trust this person!
ThorHammerslacks · 127 points · Posted at 23:28:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Classic misdirection.
points at /u/moustachesamurai
Now let's see what's in your pockets.
moustachesamurai · 48 points · Posted at 00:07:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just some hair pins and lint for now.
TLema · 46 points · Posted at 00:23:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
for now
moustachesamurai · 28 points · Posted at 00:36:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just found something valuable in my pocket now, actually. No idea how it got there, though.
TLema · 21 points · Posted at 00:44:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I knew it
LuvsDomMen · 16 points · Posted at 00:48:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You planted it... Omg. Classic misdirection. There's a Goddamn mona lisa in your backpack. HOW THE HELL DID IT GET THERE?
DankaMcDanka · 16 points · Posted at 00:53:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You obviously planted that in the backpack I never had.
Classic misdirection good sir!
However, if you do not mind me asking.
What's the red slippers from the Wizard of Oz doing on your feet?
ThorHammerslacks · 11 points · Posted at 01:26:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Look at this link!
grabs slippers
sirTubblypeesnout11 · 1 points · Posted at 04:31:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
cracks open a Yohoo and plays Pub G relentlessly
LuvsDomMen · 1 points · Posted at 11:08:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Risky click of the day. Jesus fucking christ. Kudos to that girl for eating cum omelette. Like eww.
LuvsDomMen · 3 points · Posted at 11:09:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The fuck? How the hell did that get there? Goddamn.
Dayglo777 · 3 points · Posted at 01:24:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is it the ace of clubs?
Master_GaryQ · 3 points · Posted at 01:24:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
my preciousssss
SecretScorekeeper · 1 points · Posted at 13:37:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What was it? Expensive candlesticks?
I GAVE THEM TO HIM, OFFICER!
I HAVE BOUGHT YOUR SOUL FOR GAAAAAAWD!
Archimedesatgreece · 1 points · Posted at 05:51:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No you fools that is a raccoon trained by the burglar to burgal your stuff.
DrEllisD · 1 points · Posted at 03:39:52 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Although at that point it would be robbery, not burglary.
starscr3amsgh0st · 21 points · Posted at 23:35:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Iunno any criminal I know said peoples homes are for the day when they work and business is for the night when everyone's home.
[deleted] · 59 points · Posted at 23:33:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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TLema · 47 points · Posted at 00:24:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Thanks for this as I ready for bed.
HierEncore · 15 points · Posted at 01:54:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
oh don't even worry.. according to statistics, you are 1000 times more likely to be killed by someone you know inside your house than by a total stranger invading your home.
TLema · 8 points · Posted at 10:02:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I knew them fuckers was untrustworthy...
LADIES_PM_ME_YO_ASS · 31 points · Posted at 01:09:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's what my dad always told me. If someone burglarizes your home during the day, someone just wanted your stuff. It sucks, but at least the person did it while no one was home. If someone breaks into your home at night, assume they are armed and are there for the worst reasons and to shoot them first...
Master_GaryQ · 14 points · Posted at 01:25:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless you're in the wrong home accidentally
LADIES_PM_ME_YO_ASS · 15 points · Posted at 01:48:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've gone my entire life so far without "accidentally" forcing my way into someone else's home in the middle of the night. I'm pretty sure most people can manage to do that as well. I'm not advocating for the paranoid gun nuts that shoot people at night because someone rang their door bell or turn their cars around in their driveway because they need to "protect" their property. I'm saying that if you force your way into my home at night I'm going to assume you're there with ill intentions and I will act accordingly.
wittybit · 5 points · Posted at 01:52:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s happened at off campus apartments near colleges with super drunk people but thankfully college students are least likely to shoot someone for it.
LADIES_PM_ME_YO_ASS · 7 points · Posted at 02:16:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Super drunk people are normally pretty loud and don't normally walk around wearing gloves and ski masks (at least not around here). On the off chance that some drunk person did break into my house on accident with no ill intent I would hope that I would be able to recognize that in the moment and evaluate the situation correctly. If they however are drunk, wearing a ski mask, and tearing through my stuff with a flashlight they are probably SOL.
I'm not laying in bed at night listening to every sound I hear stroking my handgun waiting for the moment to lay down my vengeance on someone. But I'm not going to assume that someone who kicks my door in at night is there to get me to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior either.
6thComm · 7 points · Posted at 03:09:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. If they are that keen to convert you - shoot em twice.
LADIES_PM_ME_YO_ASS · 3 points · Posted at 03:32:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Our Father, who art in heaven,
Let the hollow points rain,
6thComm · 2 points · Posted at 04:00:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Give us this lead
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 02:02:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once I walked into the wrong off campus apartment and unloaded my backpack on the floor and walked over to sit down, and the guy just had his head turned around in his computer chair with a smile on his face
I'd never met him lol
Socrates2x · 2 points · Posted at 15:30:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
??
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 00:24:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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DankaMcDanka · 7 points · Posted at 00:54:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Those guns? Oh, these guns. They're for anti-spider related activity.
They aren't for your average spider mind you. They're for the big ones.
Some may just be on your bed.
kcasper · -7 points · Posted at 01:45:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, I can imagine you just threatening the criminal with your guns that are responsibly locked up in the gun safe. He/she is in so much trouble after you open that safe. Yep, the criminal will shoot you with your guns that he steals after he forces you to open the gun safe. Too bad he exchanged his blades for your guns.
slicermd · 12 points · Posted at 01:48:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My handgun is not locked in a safe. It is responsibly kept out of reach of small humanoids, who are not even aware it exists. But it is readily available if needed to serve its intended purpose.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 02:03:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is this from?
billatq · 9 points · Posted at 04:25:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
More advice from burglars: https://kottke.org/16/11/advice-from-burglars-to-homeowners
The best piece of advice? Leave a radio or TV running because they will nope out if they think someone is home.
twishart · 7 points · Posted at 00:38:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy burgles
TheGuyAboveMeEatsPoo · 10 points · Posted at 00:58:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is true for america, i think in the UK "hot" burglaries are much more common. If you know you're not going to get shot, then it makes sense to break in while they're there, so you can force them to tell you where the loot is.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgbur.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3613417/An-Englishmans-home-is-his-dungeon.html
123WhoGivesAShit · 2 points · Posted at 23:32:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Burn him!
laanglr · 2 points · Posted at 00:31:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's true. Even Hamburglar would back you up on this.
iuvbio · 2 points · Posted at 01:18:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone from Hamburg, I strongly disagree on this.
imperfek · 3 points · Posted at 23:38:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But don't most killing happen at night when they catch their victims offgaurd
Thermos63 · 5 points · Posted at 01:46:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of course! But those are murder-robberies. That’s different from regular sneakthievery. If you’re gonna rape and kill some folks you’re gonna want to do that shit at night. Take it from someone who knows
RECOGNI7E · 2 points · Posted at 00:26:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
this is exactly what people who sell guns would say. Don't trust this gun merchant.
J_Dabson002 · 1 points · Posted at 00:22:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thats exactly what someone who doesn't want me to sleep would say
Mooseymax · 1 points · Posted at 00:42:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s just what a raccoon would say!
LoG-Taurk · 1 points · Posted at 02:52:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
His username diesn't have commas!
ChickenwithHotSauce · 1 points · Posted at 02:57:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dang it! Best me to it after I already commented...
Unreasonable_Seagull · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope. Just someone who works in the criminal justice system and has seen it happen too many times.
swartzjr · 1 points · Posted at 04:19:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I didn’t realize my wife had a reddit account. Hi honey!
SecretScorekeeper · 1 points · Posted at 13:35:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's what chupacabra would say.
OnAHellevator · 1 points · Posted at 16:04:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly...
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:30:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's because if they steal shit during the day, they're just a robber!
I know the meaning has expanded over time, so I'm just being pedantic for fun, not serious. But the common law definition of a burglary is breaking and entering to a dwelling at night, with intent to commit a felony therein.
ThePittsburgher · -5 points · Posted at 01:33:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The devil biggest trick is making the world believe he didn't exsist.
ThrowAwayCaaount · 1867 points · Posted at 22:29:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They will however not hesitate to break into or steal your car.
Source: Too many times to count, in multiple neighborhoods in multiple cities unfortunately.
MojoMonkeyLord · 1005 points · Posted at 23:32:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, the noise I heard at 4 am when I couldn't get back to sleep was someone breaking into my car in the driveway. Bunch of weird clicking sounds.
Went to the front window to figure out what was going on and saw this guy breaking into it. Knocked on the window and got a pretty good look at his face when he looked up.. white dude.. curly hair.. young.. (I have a street light at the end of my driveway.) Went to go grab the mag lite so I had a flashlight/beat stick and saw him WALKING down the street. He looked back at me, giving me an even better view of his face, (as well as cargo shorts, t-shirt, backpack, almost definitely teenager...) and then just kept walking. Called the cops, and they caught him maybe a 1/4 mile down a side street a couple minutes later. Apparently, he ran, they threatened to sic the dog on him.. then the first thing he said to the cop was "I didn't get anything out of his car!"
Probably not the brightest guy... but apparently he had several credit cards with different names on them, and a lot of loose change so it had been working for him. (I feel like the cops may have let me overhear too much when they had me do a driveby for positive I.D.)
Also of course my dog didn't bark at him, but had barked at... something.. probably that raccoon mentioned at around 1 am. Still a good boye, but apparently needs watchdog training.
Master_GaryQ · 93 points · Posted at 01:26:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The clicking you heard was him trying to download your car
MojoMonkeyLord · 26 points · Posted at 01:31:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ahh.. So it's not that they won't, but that they can't...
Master_GaryQ · 15 points · Posted at 01:35:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Have you ever tried to fit a car onto a USB stick?
naursson · 11 points · Posted at 04:17:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It sort of just rolls over it, usually resulting in the flash drive's complete demise.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 04:04:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't ya just love idiots?
Viltris · 3 points · Posted at 10:59:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But if he said it before they read him his rights, can they still use it against him in a court of law?
Black6x · 14 points · Posted at 00:35:02 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes. Cops don't have to read you your rights when they arrest you. They only have to do it if they want to ask you questions while you are in custody. If this guy just starts blurting out confessions while they're handcuffing him, that's his problem.
Runixo · 3 points · Posted at 11:41:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I suppose it'd just be regular evidence, instead of any kind of confession?
tfm217 · 14 points · Posted at 04:26:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The unfortunate thing about my dog is that there are too many false alarms, she's always crying wolf (or barking wolf?) so now I just ignore her at night.
Until the day I get attacked in my sleep. Can't wait.
krystal_rene · 7 points · Posted at 03:56:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
at least your dog barks at animals and people, mine will sit there and whine bc he cannot see what’s going on or bc he cannot reach what he’s whining about.
I think I need a new dog...
jpterodactyl · 8 points · Posted at 01:55:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you didn't describe his appearance, I'd swear this was my brother.
Trippy-Skippy · 5 points · Posted at 20:48:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whys your brother such a fucking delinquent?
rideinparadise · 5 points · Posted at 04:33:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What a good boyo. Not even a snitch lol. That sucks though. Nothing worse theft-wise than people stealing from other individuals.
RealHannahMontana · 4 points · Posted at 05:02:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do people leave credit cards in their car? I've never heard of this
pixar-bound · 2 points · Posted at 08:11:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dog tax pls
Juggal_Deez_nutz · 1 points · Posted at 09:15:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A mag lite, wings is that you ?
igglooaustralia · 1 points · Posted at 15:23:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
this sounds a lot like someone I know...was this in IL?
dizzle-dot · 1 points · Posted at 02:37:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happened to me, also did not have a dog at that time!
6thComm · 24 points · Posted at 03:20:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I nearly got jumped by 3 teens (I was ~27 at the time).
Beat them to my old reliable car, chucked all the toys and food on the front floor.
But they didn't realize I did have a dog. I had taken my Rottweiler that night to get food, you've never heard a more bloodthirsty snarl from an animal. I remember I even said "good dog" after her show.
Funny how quickly cocky people are when they think they have the upper hand, only to turn into giant cowards when they think they are about to get totally fucked up.
I'm happy they did, I wouldn't have liked to have seen the injuries even if they deserved it.
I miss her so much, a real one of a kind dog...
ButterflyAttack · 6 points · Posted at 08:40:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, my German Shepard X is slowing down now, she's eleven, but she's been a great guard dog. And I've lived - still do - in some dodgy places. She's still got a big bark on her. The only time she ever bitten someone was when a guy was trying to steal my bicycle over the yard wall. Very dramatic, this guy stuck at the top of the wall, screaming, with a large dog hanging from his leg. He made a limping, sniveling, bloody escape and I fed her sausages.
6thComm · 8 points · Posted at 12:56:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She was in my head that dog. I just about never had to give her commands, most of the time before I even went for a command she was already on a heel etc... just such a great animal to have.
She even had a pitbull run up, snap her on the nose and bolt and she just backed her head off like: ooooiiiii, whaaaat?
That one time was the only she was ever ferocious her whole life hey! She just knew that the car was hers and maybe picked up I was a bit uneasy with these guys? Don't know - she wasn't trained for it.
She died last September in my arms. Saddest day of my life. She was only 10.
1llusory · 2 points · Posted at 09:56:47 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m so sorry, you sound like you were such a good doggie parent to her ❤️
6thComm · 3 points · Posted at 13:33:01 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wish the world could have experienced that life with us. But that was for just us.
Our time was very special and I'm happy I knew it and treated her like I did when she was alive.
She was a very spoilt dog. Not overfed but lots of treats, ice cream, pizza, whatever I was having... she was so good too, I never had a reason to discipline her because she just was so good.
Thinking of her gets me sad. I miss her a lot. I'd tall about her but trying to write about her is hard. I'll never convey how much I cared for her or how unique she was.
GunsGermsAndSteel · 35 points · Posted at 22:53:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Couldn’t agree more. Because night time is when all the cars are parked at home.
shoeless001 · 11 points · Posted at 23:48:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's why people live in their cars.
CompellingTaxidriver · 5 points · Posted at 00:12:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Speak for yourself buddy
i_am_umbrella · 16 points · Posted at 00:24:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Living in a high crime city, I started cleaning out my car of anything of value and leaving my doors unlocked. You might have your glove box rifled through but at least your windows are still intact.
ThrowAwayCaaount · 18 points · Posted at 00:30:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh yeah, we did that for a while with an older car.
One problem is that people will actually steal the rear seats and tailgates out of trucks!
Man, some people are just shit.
slicermd · 12 points · Posted at 01:51:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nothing is more infuriating than leaving your doors unlocked and having your window broken anyway. Nothing.
Nothing.
MostlyAngry · 10 points · Posted at 01:52:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not an option. Around my neighborhood (very expensive property values, but lots of homeless people) your car will be stolen or used for sleep and heroin. I'd rather they pick an easier car, thanks. Leaving it open is like an invitation.
stiff-vag · 5 points · Posted at 00:12:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You need a garage to park in
ThrowAwayCaaount · 5 points · Posted at 00:21:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've got one now, but with my kids also driving, my family has more cars that spaces in it.
We keep the nicer two in there.
I've got security cameras and a dog, so hopefully we will be alerted at least.
Jesse8778 · 7 points · Posted at 00:38:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Stepping on a rake and it hitting you in the face. It happened to me, I thought that just happened in cartoons
Master_GaryQ · 4 points · Posted at 01:27:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Look everybody, its Sideshow Bob!
Democrab · 9 points · Posted at 00:48:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Leave a bit of weed and a pipe in an obvious spot. Last thief who went through my car saw that, smoked it and even left me a giant knife on my passenger seat as a thanks.
wavecrasher59 · 2 points · Posted at 02:31:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol he got stoned and forgot his knife i love it
Alderin1 · 3 points · Posted at 00:42:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd say you need to drive uglier cars, at least then you'll keep them.
ThrowAwayCaaount · 2 points · Posted at 00:53:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dude, you have no idea how bad one of them was and it was still broken into multiple times.
Hail damage, different colored fender, grill half missing and not even a make/model anyone wants.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:14:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn bruh where you live.
ThrowAwayCaaount · 2 points · Posted at 03:52:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't want to identify myself too much, but I will say that when I lived on the South side of Houston, my cars were fine.
It was a really fucked up neighborhood, but I can only assume they figured we were as broke as they were (we were), so no point.
North side? Yeah, now I'm a target.
The other two Texas cities I've lived in "good" neighborhoods and I've had problems there too.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas are some of the most broken into/stolen cars, and they're the most regular econoboxes that exist. It's not a very good deterrent.
UFCJesus · 3 points · Posted at 01:49:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm. I do my laundry at my parents’ place because the laundry room in my apartment complex is tiny and the two machines it does have are god awful. About six months ago I came home really tired and thought my laundry basket would be okay in the back seat for just one night.
I woke up to a loud pounding on my door at 3 a.m. It turned out to be a police officer reporting that someone had smashed my back window, taken my basket of laundry, and scootered away into the night.
The police officer never even pretended to show any interest in helping me find the guy, and that early morning, an impeccably dressed thief was born.
peacemaker2007 · 3 points · Posted at 01:51:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So.. what's it like being a car thief and how do I get started?
ThrowAwayCaaount · 1 points · Posted at 03:37:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Apparently the first step is to locate my house.
suckit5253 · 2 points · Posted at 00:10:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dude, stop leaving your keys in the ignition!
Master_GaryQ · 6 points · Posted at 01:29:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hah - my old man used to do that in a driveway in middle suburbia. His car was stolen and as he was driving to the Police station to report it (in another car, obviously) he found it
They'd run out of petrol
thejazziestcat · 2 points · Posted at 00:52:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of course, at that point it's not burglary any more, since there's no breaking and entering. Just grand theft auto.
Dennismc20 · 2 points · Posted at 01:04:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean they Dont download cars?
flyingwolf · 2 points · Posted at 01:23:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You should stop breaking into cars.
1_BDI · 2 points · Posted at 01:34:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happened to me too! Imagine surprise when the cops were pounding on my door at 3 am asking if I knew where my car was. It was completely surreal and of course the one night my video doorbell didn't work.
nope_them_all · 2 points · Posted at 01:50:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
how bad is you at counting, bruh? what, are there fractions?
ThrowAwayCaaount · 1 points · Posted at 03:29:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm probably a 5/7.
Actually, yeah, I've had 1.5 cars stolen because one thief was too stupid to figure out how remove the lock cylinder after they had it broken enough to pull out.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:22:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn you’re just a bad luck magnet aren’t you
Protheu5 · 1 points · Posted at 14:54:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No. Thanks to the internets I just download cars.
diivoshin · 1 points · Posted at 16:31:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good thing my city-living ass will not buy a car in the foreseeable future
Or until I knock someone up and will basically be forced to have to drive
lemondrop__ · 827 points · Posted at 22:56:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Alternately, you could get burgled in the middle of the day while you're at home sleeping, which happened to me the day after I had an operation. Good times!
E: I woke up because I heard the floorboard creak outside my bedroom door, opened it, and saw a guy standing there with my collapsible cat carrier full of my stuff. He ran out the back door, I did that WTF/double take thing then ran out the front, yelled 'Are you fucking kidding me?!', he laughed, then I chased him down the street in my pyjamas. Fucking asshole. Didn't even bring his own bag to rob me.
E2: I did not catch him. I was livid, as this was the fourth time I'd been robbed in ten years (first time anyone had been home), and was ready to kick the living crap out of him, but I was at a slight disadvantage (mostly because he had a car waiting around the corner); I'd had minor surgery on my wrist the day before and was still groggy from the general, I had no shoes on and my driveway is fucking gravel (not to mention the footpath being about a thousand degrees), and I was in my pjs. This was the most mortifying thing, as I knew the police members who attended (from when I used to work with them, I'm not a crim), and I looked like hell. 😑
E3: It hasn't been the same guy every time (we're pretty sure we know who it was at least two of the three other times, and this guy was so high he was seeing sounds, so I doubt he could get back here with an 8yr gap in between), and security measures have been taken to an extent, but there's only so much I can do. If someone wants to get in, they're going to get in.
FatherBucky · 48 points · Posted at 02:51:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Could be worse. People who robbed me stole the drawer from the fridge to carry things in. Still baffles me to this day.
TheCaptainCog · 43 points · Posted at 04:10:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I ever decided to rob someone, it wouldn't be for valuables. It would be for shit like this.
"Honey, I think we've been robbed!"
"Why? What's missing?"
"The damn crisper is missing!"
"Oh God! Did they steal anything else?"
"No, just the crisper! They even left the apples in a pile on the bottom shelf."
"What? Who the hell would break into a house just to steal our crisper?"
Me.
rideinparadise · 21 points · Posted at 04:36:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can replace a TV, a watch, cash. Not so sure about the vegetable crisper though. That's dastardly.
CorsetofWords · 14 points · Posted at 19:42:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Guys who broke into /my/ place used a bag of my potatoes to replace the gun they took from the top of the grandfather clock...? Riddle me that one, please.
Are Indiana Jones style pressure-traps commonly found on top of grandfather clocks and no one told me?
FatherBucky · 4 points · Posted at 22:26:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I sat down for 5 minutes trying to rationalize that and couldn't come up with a single reason.
CorsetofWords · 5 points · Posted at 23:20:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's been years, I still haven't. No answer I have doesn't use video game logic.
Like - were they going to steal the potatoes, found the gun, but had a full inventory and couldn't carry anything else so they had to choose? They stole a package of fucking socks, I wouldn't be surprised.
lemondrop__ · 12 points · Posted at 02:55:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe he melted his, like my mum accidentally did to one of ours, and thought he'd seek a replacement.
PoiLethe · 9 points · Posted at 03:34:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of that recent ad about furniture where the robbers have the exact same conversation about the couch as the owner and friend did. I just.imagine him realizing its the exact same fridge and he never got around to ordering a replacement drawer for the broken one...
Had that problem with our recent fridge. Ended up taking the entire bottom drawer out because it just kept taking hit after hit. So much more space now.
dangtamales · 7 points · Posted at 04:12:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I HAVE TO HAVE IT
Master_GaryQ · 55 points · Posted at 02:05:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Perhaps he also had a collapsible cat
hyperblaster · 25 points · Posted at 02:31:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm. My cat gets pretty long when he stretches, but then curls up into a tiny furry puddle.
STL-UPS-DRIVER · 1 points · Posted at 03:37:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ooooooohhhhkay, pops.
irdbri · 17 points · Posted at 02:47:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My place got broken into while I was at work and they used my bag as well!! It was my favorite grocery shopping bag that I always left by the front door. I was almost more upset that they took that than some of my electronics. Wtf crook
jimbojangles1987 · 54 points · Posted at 01:24:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was sitting at my desk in the middle of the day in my room after my roommates had both left for class. Usually only thr last person out would lock the front door. I heard the door handle jiggle a couple times and then open. I thought it was one of my roommates coming back early or something so I leaned back in my chair so I could see them when they came around the corner.
It wasn't my roommates. I don't want to perpetuate stereotypes but it was 3 black dudes. As soon as I saw them I said "Who the fuck are you?!" They stopped with the deer in headlights look and just all turned around and left. I locked the door and called the apartment manager. I didn't want to call the cops in case maybe they were just at the wrong place or something. It wasn't the first call they had gotten about people suspiciously going to different apartments. They called the police and I don't know what happened after that. It could have been a lot worse I imagine.
DoOgSauce · 26 points · Posted at 02:10:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This sucks. My town now has crews checking doors throughout apartment complexes. Luckily some nest doorbells have gotten some good pics of the scum.
Dr_Adopted · 15 points · Posted at 02:20:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you get him?
TheGoldenHand · 9 points · Posted at 03:01:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Based on the tactical pajamas, I'm assuming not.
lemondrop__ · 3 points · Posted at 03:02:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You would be correct.
geminijester617 · 14 points · Posted at 04:05:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
pro tip: you always move after the second robbery
nightwing2000 · 12 points · Posted at 05:22:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Friend of mine told me about the time he was working night shift; so he's sleeping on the couch in the afternoon in his apartment. There's a knock on the door, he ignores it he's trying to sleep. Then there's two guys standing in his apartment, and they say "Sorry, wrong apartment" and leave.
A few hours later he gets up and goes out and, yes, his door is locked. Outside, the police are all over the place, quite a few apartments have been broken into. He tells them what happened, and can tell them (joys of a small town) who the thieves are because he went to school with them.
Sort of like the other friend who was working the self-serve gas station late at night. Someone comes in and holds him up. He tells us what he told the police... "I went to school with the guy. Even with a ski mask on, I could recognize him..."
Some thieves in small towns are not the brightest bulbs in the tulip field.
postcardviews · 7 points · Posted at 04:29:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's so shit. Fuck that guy, being that he is so idiotic he's likely to have been caught at a later stage for another stupid stunt like that.
I was robbed last year in May, one of my cats has just now recovered and is learning to trust people again, I don't know what happened as he wasn't hurt but clearly traumatised. As long as you and your family and pets are safe, everything else is replaceable.
rideinparadise · 10 points · Posted at 04:40:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Striking a nerve with me here, and surely a lot of redditors.
When I was a kid some older neighborhood douches shot my dogs with paintball guns. I still fetishize their deaths.
postcardviews · 5 points · Posted at 05:14:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I always say that if anyone ever hurt my cats maliciously I'd go full Liam Neeson on them, I will learn kung fu and track them down and just really, really hurt them, not just physically, I will destroy their reputation and their relationships with everyone even their parents won't want to know them. I don't even care if I end up in jail.
goobzilla · 2 points · Posted at 08:32:57 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
haHAA
PoiLethe · 5 points · Posted at 03:30:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Four times? Is upgraded security not a thing? Was it the same guy? It was probably the same guy.
Needs-More-Nuking · 5 points · Posted at 02:47:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tell me you caught this asshole.
lemondrop__ · 5 points · Posted at 03:01:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope! He ran off to a car that was waiting around the corner.
Needs-More-Nuking · 5 points · Posted at 03:11:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you ever get your stuff back?
lemondrop__ · 16 points · Posted at 03:19:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
We got a replacement phone and laptop back through insurance, but honestly, I was less cut up about this burg than the others. One other time all my mum's jewellery got stolen, and she died when I was a teenager. You can't get that stuff back.
Needs-More-Nuking · 2 points · Posted at 11:37:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn... now I appreciate living a few miles away from my town.
Akitz · 2 points · Posted at 03:10:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I admire your fighting spirit.
lemondrop__ · 3 points · Posted at 03:17:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha, thanks.
I do not recommend this course of action if you're ever the victim of an aggravated burglary, though. He was very obviously high, and could've had a weapon on him, so I put myself in a lot of danger doing that. I really should've just shut and locked my door and let him go on his merry way.
-Kley- · 1 points · Posted at 04:08:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was probably the same guy... All four times!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 11:47:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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lemondrop__ · 1 points · Posted at 11:48:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Australia
iApolloDusk · 1 points · Posted at 05:10:42 on March 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
What I never see in these stories on Reddit is where people reach into their nightstand for their .357 and make the home-invading bastard look like swiss cheese.
lemondrop__ · 1 points · Posted at 05:12:56 on March 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not everyone who writes these stories lives in America.
iApolloDusk · 1 points · Posted at 05:20:28 on March 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fair point- I didn't consider that. Sorry.
SpacemanShibby · 43 points · Posted at 23:13:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've had someone break into my third floor apartment while my roommates and I slept. I do think it's out of the norm, but it does represent 100% of the times I've been burgled.
SonOfSparda304 · 4 points · Posted at 02:12:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How did they break in? Kicking the door in or was it unlocked?
SpacemanShibby · 3 points · Posted at 17:10:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was definitely planned in advance. We would leave a window open during parts of the year and we would get random guys (20-25) come knock on the door asking us to fill out surveys. We assume they came in the window, but when the police were investigating they found duct tape on our peephole as well. It was strange because I was up until 3 am that night so they must have been waiting. Roommate woke me up saying they took everything in the living room. They didn't take anything from our rooms luckily.
This was in Chile though. I had a friend tell me that the Chileans will rob you blind but they don't have the minerals to kill you. Lucky me I guess.
mthchsnn · 1 points · Posted at 01:24:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right? My (anecdotal) experience taught me that violent home invasion can and does happen. Tough lesson to unlearn, easy lesson to sell on TV... I assume, I've only ever seen others do that part.
jodics · 30 points · Posted at 23:14:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone tried to break into my house at 2am! While everyone was in! With lights on!
Drusselsteiner · 16 points · Posted at 23:58:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What kind of idiotic burglar...?
What did you do?
jodics · 11 points · Posted at 00:24:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
you dont get very bright burglars in the north mate
PM_ME_LIZARDS · 1 points · Posted at 18:17:17 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even in the south! I was asleep but my partner was awake (we have a light on 24/7 because I don't sleep well without one), he saw a hand poke through the open window at 3am. He shifted and robber seemed to have run off before my partner turned the back garden light on.
I was asleep but we've never left the window open while both asleep; at least one of us is awake whenever it's open. Good thing my partner didn't doze off!
Then again if they'd opened the window more and climbed in, I'm directly beneath it so they would've stood on me haha.
I wonder if they were chancing it rather than casing the house before, because again we never leave the window open at night if we're asleep. Typically I'm awake til 4am~ so it doesn't shut until then, that night I was just knackered and slept early.
My partner even had his laptop on so robber should've heard the noise...
There's some right daft people out there!
zao007 · 1 points · Posted at 11:52:07 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
He grounded her and sent her up to her room!
iNeverPostHereBut · 0 points · Posted at 02:04:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Considering the lighting in your apartment, I would disagree
tryingtoknowbetter · 25 points · Posted at 21:34:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks, Goodnight
yumyumgivemesome · 21 points · Posted at 23:24:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or an assassin coming to kill you and your entire family. But almost certainly not a burglar.
tryingtoknowbetter · 4 points · Posted at 21:57:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And now I am wide awake.
Deathappens · 1 points · Posted at 03:15:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One would assume that if you were in a situation where assassins would be gunning for you, you would know better than to take that advice at face value.
[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 23:42:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 01:09:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And this is why most burglaries happen during the day
FinibusBonorum · 18 points · Posted at 23:14:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tell that to the fella who stole my Mac, my car, and my wallet. I thought I heard a broom falling over in the night wind, when in fact it was a night burglar...
callagem · 5 points · Posted at 05:07:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like the same guy who stole my laptop, my credit card out of my wallet (but put my wallet back into my purse), and my car keys which he then used to steal my car. All in the middle of the night while I was sleeping. I never heard a thing.
The second time someone tried to break in at night they did it just by turning the door handle to see if it was unlocked. I was awake, sitting next to the door, watching tv. Freaked me out. Guy turned the knob very very slowly so it wouldn't make a sound, then pushed. I only locked the bolt. So creepy.
WoopigWTF · 16 points · Posted at 23:35:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Breaking into a house at night is a great way to get shot in some places (my home state being one of them).
cigarsandlegs · 6 points · Posted at 00:26:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It should be -- because breaking into a house when you expect people to be home is a totally different type of crime.
AlexMiDerGrosse · 5 points · Posted at 01:35:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Suicide?
Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam · 15 points · Posted at 00:18:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was about 14, I just didn't feel like going to school one day. Normally I was a kid who loved going to school. Spoke to Mum and told her, included that I'd do extra homework or something, she's like "weird, ok.. uh behave then..?". Normally don't lock the wire door, but for some reason, I figure I'm home alone lets do that.
Around lunch time, I see two guys, dressed in jeans and t-shirts, looking into the window. I feel absolute fear in my tummy. This is going back before mobile phones, so I'm literally home alone with two guys staring in the doorway. I've moved. They saw me. Hear the taller one say "shit", smaller one punches the other one in the gut as he stands up and rings the door bell.
I didn't want to be impolite. So I go to the door, answer it. He immediately reaches for the wire door to open it. It's locked. "Hi Honey, is your mummy or daddy home?". "Nope". He goes on to say "Ok, we're from the electricity company. We've heard about a fault in this area, can you let us in to check it out?". "I'm not allowed to let people in the house without an adult home. She's just gone down to the shops and will be back soon if you want to wait?" To which the taller one smacks the other guy on the gut and he says "no it's ok, we'll come back later".
They weren't lying about coming back because, our house got broken into a few days later.
314159265358979326 · 32 points · Posted at 23:14:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One rather successful ($250k/year) burglar did an interview in a magazine a while back. He robbed houses when people were eating, which usually takes place furthest from the jewelry.
He also said that items near the house indicating a dog, especially a large one, would deter him. He wasn't so intimidated by security which isn't active when everyone's home. Might have been the same guy who knew how to thwart a security system, not sure.
He was good at leaving no evidence behind, but his driver sold him out.
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 23:47:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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draztico · 9 points · Posted at 00:28:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably detection. Dogs bark even at people across the street.
juniper5572 · 1 points · Posted at 00:50:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
We got burgled the one time I took my dog with me when I went to a friend's house for a playdate. It was raining and I felt sorry for her being stuck under the patio.
I mean I can't be sure what would have happened if she was there, she's not huge (rottweiler/husky cross, 22kg), very friendly, and she can't bark because she's weird. They might have hurt her so maybe it's just as well she came with us that day. But on the other hand she might have put them off. Who knows.
syriquez · 13 points · Posted at 23:33:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds about right. The "mysterious footprints" in the dirt/mud or snow around the house (depending on weather and time of year, naturally) always appear during the day. Some fuckwad tried wrenching open one of my ground floor window screens this last December (then gave up probably after he realized he would have to break the window anyway due to the bar in the track). Bent the shit out of the screen.
Also doesn't help that he tried it on the front window of a house across the street from a retired couple that are doing stuff all the time in the main room of their house with a perfect view of that particular window...
[deleted] · 35 points · Posted at 22:55:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The problem, is that I doubt all burglars are smart/decent people. Some of them would be dumb enough to copy the stereotype. Best to defend against all cases I guess, but especially day time.
Smigg_e · 16 points · Posted at 23:14:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've heard of a lot more burglaries happening in the middle of the night then during the day in my area. People do like to follow that stereotype.
Livelordx_lol · 43 points · Posted at 23:12:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm this, am a police officer. Burglaries happen most often during the day, vehicle burglaries tend to happen over night but not all time.
NinjaWorldWar · 3 points · Posted at 23:42:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you for your service, I appreciate all that you do!
ImGoingToHell · -4 points · Posted at 00:16:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Suck his dick some more why don't you!
oooo, the thin blue line is angry! Fucking pigs.
draztico · 6 points · Posted at 00:23:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Relevant username?
ImGoingToHell · 1 points · Posted at 17:45:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of course.
diivoshin · 0 points · Posted at 16:37:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cringe
S-T-Michael · 11 points · Posted at 23:46:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My brother and his wife lived in Italy for 3 years. Some people broke into their house late at night while they were HOME and AWAKE...and the thieves ALMOST got away with a ton of their stuff too, except one of them nocked over something in the garage while stealing their vehicle...Never underestimate gypsies!
ItsInTheStarsXx · 8 points · Posted at 23:11:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless you live in Italy. Happens here at night quite often
lil_jupiter · 17 points · Posted at 23:18:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s because you’re all home during the day for siesta and out all night dancing
Needs-More-Nuking · 2 points · Posted at 02:50:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thought Siesta was a Spanish/Latino thing...
bornbrews · 2 points · Posted at 02:55:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mom was robbed in Italy in the middle of the night - then they came back the next night!!!
satansrapier · 9 points · Posted at 23:15:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You've had this discussion while annoyed in bed with a significant other, haven't you?
GunsGermsAndSteel · 9 points · Posted at 00:03:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Close. I’ve argued with my wife about it because she won’t lock the doors when she leaves in the daytime.
No, I’m not giving you my address.
satansrapier · 4 points · Posted at 00:28:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But I install home security systems! That are wife proof! Gimme your address and I'll install one for free!
Erathen · 2 points · Posted at 01:19:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My mom used to do the same thing... She'd double check and fret over every lock in the house before bed, but then leave the door unlocked all day...
Funky_Monk85 · 8 points · Posted at 23:36:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nice try, EAR/ONS.
WhiteSupremeAssist · 6 points · Posted at 23:49:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless he's trying to steal your good nights sleep
charleyxavier · 10 points · Posted at 23:19:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oddly enough, I’m pretty sure common law burglary requires the act to be committed at night.
PM-me-your-social · 1 points · Posted at 02:23:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Took me way too long to find this... It's in the definition!
Technicolor-Panda · 1 points · Posted at 00:15:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. So by definition this is incorrect.
draztico · 1 points · Posted at 00:29:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So, what are the daytime burglaries called? Uncommon law?
Deathappens · 1 points · Posted at 03:17:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Robberies?
Technicolor-Panda · 1 points · Posted at 10:56:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Larceny if someone is just breaking into your house during the day. Robbery requires that the theft occur by force, such as someone holding up a gas station.
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 23:05:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was robbed in the middle of the night 💁♀️
MZITF · 4 points · Posted at 23:38:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well come on down to Redding, California! Most burglaries do happen during the day when no one is home, but it is not uncommon for them to happen at night with people Home.
5seconds2urheart · 4 points · Posted at 00:19:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You left out the biggest reason why they don't want to break in while you're home. It's because they don't want to get shot and killed by a gun wielding home-owner while trying to grab your laptop. It's all about risk vs. reward.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:07:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly, where i live you simply don't break into people's houses in the middle of the night. Cars maybe, but inside the door and your a dead man.
curlygirl86 · 8 points · Posted at 23:12:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually the other night it was someone breaking in to my car.
geetar_man · 3 points · Posted at 23:14:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sorry that happened to you, but anecdotal experience doesn’t negate the general trends. Additionally, car break ins are different from home break ins.
blgrr · 4 points · Posted at 23:54:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How'd you know I heard a noise?
It's you isn't it. You're in my house.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 00:21:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah only the psychos and serial killers are roaming at night
giving burglars a bad name
electricenergy · 4 points · Posted at 00:48:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If they are there during the night, it's best to assume they are there for you.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 00:59:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, if someone is breaking into your place during the night they're not there to rob you. Sleep well.
SupaNintendoChalmerz · 4 points · Posted at 05:02:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Technically speaking, the law defines "Burglary" as breaking into a house during the night with the intent to commit a felony. I just learned this a few months ago and found it interesting. Another fun fact: Americans burglarize. Brits burgle.
AmyXBlue · 8 points · Posted at 23:33:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And now all the people who got robbed in the middle of night will come to tell you their story to refute this.
Best tips i have heard to reduce on burglaries: Get to know your neighbors; have a yappy dog; and live near places with active day time activity so people are always around with eyes on house.
GunsGermsAndSteel · 7 points · Posted at 00:00:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You predicted it!
Of course a few instances of night time burglary COMPLETELY DISPROVE the statistics showing burglary happens mostly during the day.
draztico · 2 points · Posted at 00:37:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If its happened a few times, wouldn't it then be a stretch to call it "extremely" rare? I mean, thats the kind rarity you would see like a comet that passes by every 100 years, or even an eclipse.
Answermancer · 2 points · Posted at 00:51:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends, if you read "it's extremely rare for a burglary to happen at night" as "when a burglary happens, it's extremely rare for it to be during the daytime" then it's a matter of how small the percentage that happen during the day is.
If a billion burglaries happen during the day, and 100 at night, that would mean that an extremely small percentage happen during the day, even though 100 is more than a few times.
draztico · 1 points · Posted at 01:01:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah, I didn't think about it proportionally. Good point.
Erathen · 2 points · Posted at 01:17:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but their proportions are still waaaaay off, which sort of skews the point in his favor. There's only 7.6 billion people on the planet. "Extremely" rare might be a stretch after all.
ctilvolover23 · 1 points · Posted at 01:20:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So basically the complete opposite of where I live. Especially since my neighbor loves being friends with former convicts. Including a rapist who's back in jail.
SonOfSparda304 · 1 points · Posted at 03:32:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live around shady people and old people. No idea who lives on either side of my house on my side of the street. Cops visited the house on one side which I suspect was a domestic cuz I'd always hear them shouting at each other in the mornings but I've never seen them. The other side, not even sure if anyone lives in this house but supposedly someone does according to my landlord. Never see any lights or cars.
Then down from them there's the hoodies always on guys that always have a window cracked, blankets shittily hung to cover the windows as blinds, and hang out by a recovery group center smoking cigarettes.
Fun neighborhood.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 23:23:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe a garage racoon?
i_suckatjavascript · 1 points · Posted at 04:38:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm; raccoons wear masks and are burglars.
stanky_le9 · 3 points · Posted at 23:54:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My sister in laws house was burglarized in the middle of the night while they were sleeping. Even though she has cameras and 2 dogs, it didn't deter him away from doing it. The dogs were locked up inside a bedroom and when he broke in through a window the dogs started barking. By the time she heard all the commotion, her a her bf woke up and checked downstairs. Once they found out the window was open, they checked their footage and noticed a guy climbed into their house. He climbed in and out about 4 times with each time grabbing a load of stuff. The cops were notified and eventually he was caught.
GunsGermsAndSteel · 3 points · Posted at 23:56:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Okay and I’m sorry she was burglarized. But that doesn’t change the fact that statistically, it’s very unlikely to happen at night.
People get attacked by sharks too.
MedievalPotato · 3 points · Posted at 00:06:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Murderous rapists, on the other hand...
EDIT: Goodnight.
UFFL · 3 points · Posted at 00:08:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't underestimate someone on drugs/someone desperate for drug money
draztico · 3 points · Posted at 00:27:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Judging from this thread, it looks like midnight burglaries happen enough that it doesn't being "extremely rare". So, "from time to time" would be more apt.
my_futureperfect · 7 points · Posted at 23:21:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Was convicted of burglary, can confirm.
RitoFreak · 1 points · Posted at 00:44:38 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Burglers are fucking terrifying man. If someone would break into my home when i was home i would be scared as fuck. Why'd you do it though? Is the profit really that good?
my_futureperfect · 1 points · Posted at 00:48:28 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
That was 20 years ago. I was young and on drugs.
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 23:53:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck off
my_futureperfect · 1 points · Posted at 23:55:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol why? Honest hurts?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 00:26:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because you did a shitty thing that probably hurt people.
my_futureperfect · 2 points · Posted at 00:49:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That was 20 years ago. I was a pos then.
heedlessly3 · 7 points · Posted at 23:07:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
burgularly happens during the day. Rapes happen in the middle of the night
NinjaWorldWar · 6 points · Posted at 23:45:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.
GunsGermsAndSteel · -3 points · Posted at 00:05:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don’t flatter yourself, honey.
Iknownothingplshelp · 2 points · Posted at 23:30:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This depends on where you live. While this is true in America, about half of the break-ins of Europe occur with the resident home.
bornbrews · 2 points · Posted at 02:57:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m guessing America’s gun and stand your ground laws are a factor
go_2_sleep · 2 points · Posted at 23:52:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, I confirm
IndistinguishableRib · 2 points · Posted at 00:03:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And breaking in while anyone is home is considered a home invasion. No one wants that
Decyde · 2 points · Posted at 00:18:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Worst part is you could protect your home for as little as a $125 motion tracking camera that would alert you on your phone if someone is in your home.
We've come a long way with home security and people still don't invest $250 in a set up that would help deter a random break in.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 01:23:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You might have already answered why everyone doesn't do this.
Decyde · 1 points · Posted at 01:34:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If someone wants to break into your home, nothing is going to stop them from breaking into your home.
If you have a motion tracking camera you can at least call 911 and report it while it's in progress and hope they are caught before they make off with your stuff.
No home is never safe but just doing small things like buying a camera setup for outside, posting "protected by ADT or whoever" signs up and just buying some motion tracking floodlights for outside all help the random break ins.
Those people will just move down and break into your neighbors garage or home without it.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 02:01:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone who's been lockpicking for years, believe me I know. You see how this same logic applies to your camera though?
Right, but the average person isn't going to go out and spend $250+ on an indoor camera on the off-chance someone will break into their home for the off-chance opportunity that they can catch them on their smartphone (especially when they make automatic alarm systems for this anyways...)
My ORIGINAL point though was that a camera inside your home isn't an effective deterrent for breaking-and-entering (arguably theft at most). If you've caught them on that camera, they've already broken into your home, potentially vandalized your property, and they can still make off with your stuff, regardless of the camera. A more effective deterrent would be a camera outside the home, or even a fake one. You can't deter a crime that's already happened.
This is a really weak argument... I shouldn't protect my property because the thief is just going to go steal from my neighbor instead? That's not exactly my problem, unless he's paying me to install and maintain a security system.
Decyde · 1 points · Posted at 14:45:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, $250 is for outdoor camera's.
You can buy a motion tracking camera for under $100 anymore that will send you an alert if it's triggered. You don't need a top of the line anything anymore as many of the cheap camera's have great video display.
The only reason why a camera inside your home with motion tracking is 10 fold better than outside is that your outside camera's are just there to make people think twice.
If someone is breaking into your home then congratulations, you now have their face for police to not care and they looted your home.
If you catch a person in your home via the motion tracking camera and call 911, they will more than likely dispatch officers to the home then and there and catch the person.
It's more of a real time vs after the fact.
As for the "weak argument" it's how it is. If you have flood lights set up in the back of your home and someone like teenagers are looking to cause problems then just having those motion sensing lights alone are enough to deter them and make them go vandalize or steal from other homes.
So you should protect your home because it's your home. Your neighbors home isn't really your responsibility and if anyone ever had to pick between their home being broken into and their neighbors then you hope it's always theirs and not yours.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 19:20:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Think twice about what? If you caught them on an internal camera, they've already broken into your home... That's my point. It might prevent theft at most (MIGHT), but it's not going to prevent burglary. I don't see how that makes it 10 fold better? Making people think twice/making them think your house isn't worth the trouble is EXACTLY what you want. Again, a video recording of someone inside your home hasn't deterred a crime.
You can get their face outside too... Police are required to dispatch officers either way. Again... A camera inside your home IS AFTER THE FACT...
All security is only meant to deter/delay/make people think twice.
Exactly... Which is my point.
P.S. Quality cameras aren't cheap...
Decyde · 0 points · Posted at 01:19:16 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like I've stated above.... if someone is breaking into your home..... they are breaking into your home.
There is literally no way to stop this from happening regardless the locks you install or security you put in.
The entire point of this is having a motion activated camera inside will allow you to get police there to arrest people before they leave with your items instead of having a security camera set up to capture and report after the fact.
Getting their face means nothing to the police. Unless they know who it is, they'll put it on the news and if no one calls then it just remains an open case.
You don't need a 4k quality camera system to record someones face. Yes, the "cheap" $250-$500 systems are good enough to record peoples faces now and I list a price difference because it's the # of camera's or if they come with a X amount of storage device for the system.
So once again.... yes, having an internal camera with motion tracking is the best way to go to have the ability to phone police and have them prevent someone from walking away with your belongings.
Erathen · 1 points · Posted at 01:39:19 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the purpose of a good home security system is... It's not "to catch the bad" guy. It's to deter theft, and crime. You don't seem to understand that by the time someone has broken into your home and been caught on internal camera, a crime has already occurred. A camera system that fails to deter crime but catches the bad guy isn't 10 fold better than a camera system that will prevent people from even making an attempt. That money can be better spent on things that will prevent the crime before it's in progress... Calling the police is a last resort. People will try to break in, unless you make your property not worth the effort. Like you said in your previous post, they'll just try an easier target... So I don't understand where you're getting confused.
That's what you're not grasping.
If you recognize that the face is irrelevant, and police response is paramount, then you can easily purchase an alarm system that will actually make someone think twice about entering your home, and automatically contact authorities and alert you. You don't even necessarily need an subscription for it to be effective. There are plenty of cheaper options as well.
I'm not saying an internal camera has no function. But it's not the be-all-end-all of home security... That's a last resort, and even at that point, a crime has still been committed. Which is stressful, takes time out of your day, and has high potential to cost you more money.
RedPandaIsBestPanda · 2 points · Posted at 00:21:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends if they're professional, a newbie, or just mad for crack.
Captain_MasonM · 2 points · Posted at 00:32:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't trust you, Jared Diamond.
ScramDiggyBooBoo · 2 points · Posted at 00:37:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just told my wife this. If someone comes into a house fully packed, that's a murder, not a burglary.
glaringinaccuracy · 2 points · Posted at 00:54:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. If it's at night, they're likely not going for burglary, it's gonna be armed robbery and possibly murder.
Love your username btw, good book.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:15:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or aliens
nthman · 2 points · Posted at 03:11:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah this shit is something the wet bandits would say.
jimmyjohn2018 · 2 points · Posted at 03:17:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah who wants to break into a house in the dark just to step on a fucking lego.
kisarax · 1 points · Posted at 18:27:57 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
straight up - this has happened to a friend of mine where the kids left a ton of legos by the window and...yeah the robber noped on outta there.
lukekidd111 · 2 points · Posted at 04:37:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy burgles
TheBagelBagelBandit · 2 points · Posted at 23:14:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Says the nighttime burglar. I'm on to youuuu..
Smigg_e · 1 points · Posted at 23:13:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nice try mr their! Ill continue to sleep with one eye open and a baseball bat for a teddy bear.
Troaweymon42 · 1 points · Posted at 23:14:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nice try burglar!
andlg · 1 points · Posted at 23:14:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nice try night burglar
Anorexicboar1 · 1 points · Posted at 23:17:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless...
GreenThumbSeedling · 1 points · Posted at 23:26:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We and 2 neighbors had a burglary happen at night like a week ago...
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 23:54:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Doesn’t mean it is the norm.
my_futureperfect · 2 points · Posted at 23:59:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Word!
drunkat10am · 1 points · Posted at 23:30:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now I’m just worried it is someone trying to murder me instead of rob me.
GunsGermsAndSteel · 3 points · Posted at 00:00:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you have enemies? Then you’re not getting killed. Almost zero chance of a random murder.
mmoffitt15 · 1 points · Posted at 23:48:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife and I got robbed in the middle of he night. We were in our bed and someone walked into our living room and took our tv my wife’s purse and some off brand cell phone chargers.
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Neil, is that you?
rogert2 · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A buddy of mine got up in the middle of the night and stumbled across an intruder in the kitchen who apparently had been trying doorknobs in the neighborhood. The fellow bolted. Nothing was missing, so they assumed he ran into the guy just a few seconds after he entered.
This was ~2015 in a nice residential area of northeast Minneapolis, MN.
Perhaps some burglars have not worked out the wisdom of daytime robbery.
DeOh · 1 points · Posted at 00:15:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The amount of times I had cops called on me while hanging in front a friend's place... If I wanted to rob your house I wouldn't do it while you're in it.
ElizabethHopeParker · 1 points · Posted at 00:21:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about burglars who go into a house when its owners are away? I bet this happens at night. That or I've read too many Lawrence Block novels.
basterfeldt · 1 points · Posted at 00:23:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Errr, I live in a tiny one bedroom flat and we got broken into during the night. The guy stole my PlayStation, keys, cards etc. and we didn’t wake up.
But hey you probably won’t! Lock your doors and sleep tight.
stickywicker · 1 points · Posted at 00:23:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is alarming how often I have to remind my family of this. Logically it just makes sense, statistically it has been backed and yet the INSIST that our house might be broken into in the middle of the night with the entire family home so they can steal our stuff.
malizathias · 1 points · Posted at 18:05:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It happened to us. Everyone home and sleeping. When we woke up in the morning, our place was one giant mess. All cupboards and closets were opened and stuff was all over the place.
SamWillsy · 24225 points · Posted at 14:51:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
People giving away drugs to kids at Halloween
Why would they give away product they could sell?
biggerdundy · 5171 points · Posted at 20:43:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My 12 year old daughter told me that “LITERALLY NONE OF THE KIDS IN HER GRADE WILL EAT FROM [the pizza place right by our house]BECAUSE THE PEOPLE MAKING THE PIZZA PUT WEED IN IT!!!”
I figure 12 is old enough to learn that nobody is giving away weed. That shit ain’t free.
oddmanout · 2009 points · Posted at 23:33:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Where is this pizza place I should most certainly avoid because of the weed in the pizza?
[deleted] · 313 points · Posted at 03:20:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 34 points · Posted at 08:45:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's organic bruh.
wiithepiiple · 89 points · Posted at 02:39:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's so many of them though. Which one? Which one?
HudsonGTV · 37 points · Posted at 02:47:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The one that puts the most weed in the pizza.
benkenobi5 · 34 points · Posted at 03:43:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
the one with nothing but 5 star ratings
random_tall_guy · 35 points · Posted at 02:51:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hit up Cambodia, weed pizza places everywhere.
escobizzle · 16 points · Posted at 04:34:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
For real?
ScruffMcgruff60692 · 18 points · Posted at 05:05:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happy pizza's FTW.
One of the most suprising things traveling through SEA was, reading the newspaper and seeing that they were executing 8 drug smugglers in Bali, then seeing tons of happy mushroom shake vendors.
The surprising amount of substances flowing through expats in Cambodia was up there as well. Being offered heroin by multiple nodding expats with most of them over 50 with 18-21 year old girlfriends and wifes.
flexthrustmore · 18 points · Posted at 05:45:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's pretty difficult to get addicted to mushrooms, coming down hard on people importing highly addictive stuff and letting the non addictive stuff slide is actually a pretty sensible drug policy.
ScruffMcgruff60692 · 5 points · Posted at 20:44:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean I can understand in a safe environment, but people still go crazy, especially tourists who do not know quite what the are getting themselves into. Also Indonesia has put people away for decades over marijuana, I would definitely not use them as the poster child for a sensible drug policy.
flexthrustmore · 3 points · Posted at 02:43:36 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not,Indonesia has a drug policy that seems to be based mostly on corruption, I'm saying somewhere like the Netherlands where mushrooms and weed are fine in certain areas or in private but you still come down hard on importers and sellers of the type of drugs people will rob their own family to get once they're addicted seems to be taking a step in the right direction.
ButterflyAttack · 6 points · Posted at 09:03:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I knew a couple of people got stuck in Asia because their habit got so bad they'd never sustain it anywhere else.
ButterflyAttack · 5 points · Posted at 08:59:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I had some in Thailand. Bit much, TBH. Wasn't bad pizza, though.
ChickenwithHotSauce · 9 points · Posted at 03:00:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Little Ceasar's. That's why the crust is so chewy.
weedlover1029384756 · 2 points · Posted at 05:26:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
my man!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 10:38:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
DUDE
Benblishem · 40 points · Posted at 00:36:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You should order a pizza from there with a lot of extra oregano and if she refuses to eat it act (overact) stoned as you eat it. e.g.: "I don't understand what's happening here. The more of this pizza I eat, the hungrier I get!"
SamWillsy · 169 points · Posted at 20:46:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Imagine a weed pizza though ❤️
raam86 · 74 points · Posted at 20:48:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In Cambodia they have Happy Pizza places that do just that!
CreativityX · 63 points · Posted at 23:59:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a wonderful experience with this. Went to Sihanoukville, on the west coast near Vietnam. Beautiful beaches, cheap drinks, and great pizzas :)
Ate a whole pizza each once, stumbled upon a place called Sonny's BBQ or something like that, and ordered a 3 pizzas for 6 people, so half a pizza each. Dude sends his kid off on a bike to grab weed, and he comes back with two grocery bags full, at least a few ounces, and we sit there for about an hour and order food while waiting for the pizzas. We eat them, go out and drink, and head back around midnight once we start to feel them kick in.
We had booked an island hopping tour for $11, and were planning on waking up before sunrise so we could watch it on a boat in the ocean while high from the pizzas we ate the day before. I was high from half a pizza for around 12-15 hours, because it took so long to digest, and this is coming from someone who practically a daily smoker. We did tell them to load the pizzas up for us though, hahaha.
One the best experiences of my life. Highly recommend Cambodia for anyone who is interested. Wonderfully kind people, amazingly clean, untouched beaches; just an overall beautiful country ruined by unfortunate historical events.
There are incredibly sad and moving museums there. The atrocities there can only really compare to the holocaust. But reading things and seeing them in person are two entirely different things.
mindsnare1 · 19 points · Posted at 00:10:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
From what I heard they have cleaned up the area and it is not as free wheeling as it use to be.
AtomicFlx · 12 points · Posted at 02:18:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That would be a terrible idea for me. Here I am eating all this Cambodian food for weeks while backpacking around and I see a pizza place. Thanks god, something from home. Order a giant pizza and end up a paranoid wreck for the rest of the day.
Dirty-M518 · 1 points · Posted at 02:23:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Soo pizza and a happy ending...mmm okay im down!
biggerdundy · 32 points · Posted at 20:47:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I thought I’d get as high from eating it as from smoking it, I might give it a try, but dude, that’s alotta bud just for 1 Pizza.
SamWillsy · 13 points · Posted at 20:48:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
True, plus I normally fall asleep after pizza and edibles take a loooong time to kick in so that wouldn’t really work anyway
biggerdundy · 3 points · Posted at 20:49:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now, if I’m ever Snoop or B. Real or Willie Nelson or some really famous weed smoker, weed pizza for EVERYONE!!
edit: changed a letter
CaptainKCCO42 · 12 points · Posted at 00:36:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some of the pot shops here in Seattle has pizza sauce made with thc. All you need is a boboli crust and some shredded mozzarella.
Ulti · 3 points · Posted at 02:31:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The hell, which store has that? I've never seen it before but that sounds awesome, haha.
AtomicFlx · 1 points · Posted at 02:19:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No... make your own pizza crust. Its really easy and so much better than that cardboard from the store.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bobby-flay/pizza-dough-recipe-1921714
HovenHoven · 2 points · Posted at 05:13:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The pizza dough they sell at Trader Joe’s is cheap and delicious.
AtomicFlx · 1 points · Posted at 05:20:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Agreed, the Trader Joe's Dough is a good substitute for home made. I think it's even whole wheat.
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 22:50:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah at age 12 I’m sure a shitload of kids wanted to eat there
aeschenkarnos · 3 points · Posted at 00:54:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The more you eat, the hungrier you get.
neocommenter · 3 points · Posted at 00:18:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pot-pizza-offered-at-boston-area-medical-marijuana-dispensary/
AfghanTrashman · 2 points · Posted at 02:41:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's pretty awesome. Used to work in a pizza shop. Brought a bunch of weed oil in one day and made hella pizza and breadsticks with it
krunchykoolwhip · 1 points · Posted at 03:01:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Little Caesar’s in my town was shutdown because they were caught selling weed pizza.
decifix · 22 points · Posted at 01:30:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone must've saw them put oregano in the sauce and thought it was weed.
MartyRobinsHasMySoul · 12 points · Posted at 04:45:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or heard an older brother or sister say they can get weed from someone there
peon2 · 18 points · Posted at 01:38:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, if it makes them hungry enough to order another pizza it's not giving away drugs. It's a business model.
WlkngAlive · 30 points · Posted at 23:02:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's the awkward situation where you want to say "heck I wish!" but can't.
biggerdundy · 5 points · Posted at 23:10:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy gets it ^
rad2themax · 9 points · Posted at 00:30:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I lived in a town with a pizza place where it was well known that you could order a side of hash browns and get a dimebag, but it definitely wasn't free or tricky.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 00:54:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In the 90's in Eugene, Oregon several pizza delivery businesses happily participated in the "Pipes for Pizzas" program, I shit you not.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 02:01:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She's probably 1/2 right. The kids working at the pizza place are probably selling weed selling weed out the back door.
biggerdundy · 4 points · Posted at 02:13:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don’t doubt for a second that someone is selling weed at a restaurant. I was under the impression that you couldn’t actually open a restaurant without the required pot dealer. I also happen to believe that she and her classmates are really big fans of gossip. Mob mentality, man.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:52:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but the drugs might jump out at any moment and smash her head into the windshield of a car like that egg.
The more you kno.
CallOfKtulu24 · 5 points · Posted at 01:14:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s most likely oregano.
Zsashas · 5 points · Posted at 01:14:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a very reliable source that has told me never to get certain ingredients from the local pizza place where he works. Fortunately i hate mushrooms anyway, but still...
Brandeix · 6 points · Posted at 03:09:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably mistook the oregano for weed. Oregano and pizza are like a married couple, with crushed red peppers being that spicy side chick.
asasdasasdPrime · 6 points · Posted at 00:30:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, I'd say free weed is situational.
I have a friend who takes care of 99% of my medical needs for free since we are friends (prescription /diagnosis / questions)
Sure as shit when she asks me me to grab her a gram for new years, I'm not asking her for a single penny.
biggerdundy · 11 points · Posted at 00:45:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I totally agree. People give away weed all the time. Just not typically to an unsuspecting stranger. At least not in my travels they don’t.
SaltFinderGeneral · 6 points · Posted at 02:15:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Free weed is pretty common, but generally you'll make sure the person you're giving it to is a stoner in the first place before offering. Have tipped servers a joint or as much as a gram before (on top of a cash tip of course). The idea of drug dealers lurking around playgrounds trying to get kids hooked on drugs is a fabrication though.
obscuredreference · 6 points · Posted at 04:16:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s other kids offering it for free to kids. Especially to girls.
At least it was the case in my country, other teens would offer it to girls. So it does happen for free, and it’s best that parents know it’s a possibility.
But sure as fuck not in pizza in a restaurant to a random stranger.
It’s fellow kids/teens/college kids who want to try and make you to be one of them, or to open up to them/like them/all sorts of reasons that are more or less potentially bad intentioned especially when the expectation of sex is involved. Same reason guys try to ply girls with free drinks at parties etc.
(It might not be the same in every country, obviously. But some behaviors are universal, so you never know.)
RandomAnonymousMan · 3 points · Posted at 02:32:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a pizzeria (not far from where I live) where am employee was fired for putting weed in pizza. He wasn't a dealer but he thought people would get a hint of the weed and subconsciously order more pizza, not knowing why they thought it was so good. I just thought it was stupid and pointless since the weed didn't really have an effect as he was thinking.
TotalFire · 3 points · Posted at 07:21:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is it? Maybe it depends on education because at twelve, I was under the impression every human being I'd ever meet from then on would be trying to give me drugs.
IMhiphawp · 7 points · Posted at 00:00:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A dude in Denver was walking around his neighborhood throwing weed laced meatballs into backyards for dogs....
ninefeet · 10 points · Posted at 01:34:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's always a reason that a stupid rule exists and needs a sign.
"Please do not feed the dogs weed meatballs"
h0td1sh · 4 points · Posted at 00:49:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can’t even
biggerdundy · 2 points · Posted at 00:51:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Literally 👏🏻 I 👏🏻 will 👏🏻 never 👏🏻 be 👏🏻 able 👏🏻 to 👏🏻 even. 👏🏻 Literally.
h0td1sh · 2 points · Posted at 00:59:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As if
middleofthemap · 2 points · Posted at 00:36:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
whats the address to the place?, asking for a cop friend....
xkcel · 2 points · Posted at 01:35:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which pizza place... I'm.. uhm hungry.
MatttheBruinsfan · 2 points · Posted at 02:15:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right after college a stoner I knew worked at a pizza place; I wouldn't rule out weed getting mistaken for oregano or something and accidentally put on a pizza.
robbbbb · 2 points · Posted at 02:27:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If that were true, all the kids 5 or 6 grades ahead of her would be there ALL THE TIME.
Leonidas140 · 2 points · Posted at 02:43:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Could you say it's like a... pizza joint?
sgloux3470 · 2 points · Posted at 02:47:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you get them addicted to your pizza though, you sell more pizza.
kevyg973 · 2 points · Posted at 02:49:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She's Gonna be on the city council one day
T_Halls · 2 points · Posted at 03:54:51 on June 3, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would never ever ever show up to that pizza place. In fact, in an effort to make sure that I never go there. I need the name and address of said pizza parlor that has the audacity of putting weed in their pizza
Disgusting
lWVWl · 1 points · Posted at 01:58:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oregano is a hell of a drug
nickcan · 1 points · Posted at 02:03:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But most days people aren't giving away candy either.
BlissnHilltopSentry · 1 points · Posted at 02:54:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone probably saw a bunch of stoners there one day curing their munchies ans started a rumor.
greffedufois · 1 points · Posted at 02:54:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's oregano dumbasses.
mpersonally · 1 points · Posted at 02:55:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's called oregano.
HearmeR00R · 1 points · Posted at 03:00:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha uhh.. my friend ran a late night pizza place from 9pm-4am. He sold weed and I delivered quite a lot of it. Although we never cooked any pizzas with it but easily could with all the cannabutter he had. Good times
Maximus125 · 1 points · Posted at 03:25:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I bet one kid saw a basil leaf in there and mistaked it for weed, then told all his friends.
emperorpalpatine_ · 1 points · Posted at 04:06:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
smart stategy actually. i bet 99% of customers will come back for more pizza within 2 hours
Heater24 · 1 points · Posted at 04:08:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My niece told me a couple years ago that she heard (in high school) not to buy the weed in our small town because people were lacing it with coke and meth. I told her to find out who was selling it like that and let me know and I’ll go buy it all up and burn it as a civil service lol she laughed and said “ that’s probably not true, is it?” I told her most probably not lol
samuelroy21 · 1 points · Posted at 14:16:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's never too early to talk about drugs, really. You just gotta bring the supporting evidence, to make sure they know it's stupid.
APersbrandt · 1 points · Posted at 17:03:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of an old pizza place i used to go to. When i was growing up there was a pizza place close to home. They got shut down for selling/dealing drugs. They didnt put it in the dough though.
DenyNowBragLater · 1 points · Posted at 04:07:39 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
That would have been reason enough for me to eat there at 12.
Curaja · 1 points · Posted at 21:06:32 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good one kid, but what was the name of this place again?
The_Golden_Warthog · 1 points · Posted at 11:10:02 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
God's work, son
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:24:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you explain why that shit's wack, or is she still, factually wack, yo?
dogfish83 · 1 points · Posted at 01:18:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tell her if that’s true, to wait a few years then everyone in her class will eat there
n0thinginside · -2 points · Posted at 01:44:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She is in special classes huh.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 23:03:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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biggerdundy · -1 points · Posted at 23:09:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One that lives in the suburbs, and is still (sort of) listening to drug education.
DancingWithMyshelf · 2091 points · Posted at 18:36:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This past Halloween, one of my FB friends put up the scare-share warning parents to make sure that people haven't given your kids Ecstasy in their bags. Ain't no-damn-body going to give a kid a $20 trick or treat gift.
JacP123 · 911 points · Posted at 22:30:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone in my town posted on facebook about how there were harmful drugs in their kids candy. Turned out the mom rewrapped rockets/smarties with melatonin and tried to pass it off as ecstasy in order to get on the local news
What the fuck compels someone to plant melatonin in their own kids candy and then pass it off as drugs?
EDIT (This is more self-centered than a gold thanks but w/e) This comment propelled me past 100k comment so thanks for making me a Reddit Centenarian <3
KingGorilla · 235 points · Posted at 23:05:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Trying to do parents a favor by making their kids sleepy for bed.
JacP123 · 58 points · Posted at 23:10:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its not even like it was some random person was doing this to other kids, this was a mom who made it up and took a picture of it in their own kids' candy bag to look like someone was giving out drugs to kids
YouFuckingPeasant · 18 points · Posted at 03:01:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds to me like the kind of woman who would make her kids sick to get attention for herself, too.
[deleted] · 14 points · Posted at 03:31:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's what i was thinking. Munchausen by proxy.
jump101 · 30 points · Posted at 00:39:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She probably tried being a martyr for a stupid reasons that was actually fake but "as a Mother" she knows it all.
Soda634 · 4 points · Posted at 23:57:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi Jac
JacP123 · 9 points · Posted at 00:02:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi soup
EDIT: Alright reddit, downvote me for saying hi to a friend thats cool
iuvbio · 4 points · Posted at 01:24:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi JacSoup
JacP123 · 4 points · Posted at 02:56:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm Jac, he's Soup
escobizzle · 6 points · Posted at 04:37:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Looks like he's Soda, not Soup
JacP123 · 2 points · Posted at 04:51:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
shhhh just go with it
rad2themax · 32 points · Posted at 00:29:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The razor blades in candy thing was the same. A dad trying to kill or injure his own kids.
iuvbio · 3 points · Posted at 01:25:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds sensible
ThatEconGuy · 16 points · Posted at 00:29:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Attention whoring is difficult work, but someone has to plant poison in their kids candy to do it!!!
Dynamaxion · 13 points · Posted at 00:37:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Years of monotonous suburban housewife existence.
iuvbio · 3 points · Posted at 01:25:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
More like monotonous suburban monogamy
HarambeMarston · 37 points · Posted at 23:59:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Was her name Karen? She sounds like a Karen.
Ins_Weltall · 13 points · Posted at 00:34:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why does this feel so right...?
Trollonasan · 10 points · Posted at 03:52:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think I read somewhere that this whole drugs in the candy thing started when a father murdered his family with poisoning their Halloween candy. And then exclaiming it was the neighbors. So it seems plausible that people would use the rumour to do unspeakable acts.
JacP123 · 9 points · Posted at 04:15:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its like the whole "video games make you violent" thing. Something similar happened a while ago and now it makes helicopter parents and prudes nervous.
Kraymur · 6 points · Posted at 01:56:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
you answered your own question.
Impybutt · 5 points · Posted at 03:00:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People who need to be the centre of attention. Spend a bit of time over at /r/justNoMIL where that shit is commonplace and even fairly low on the crazy scale.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 00:41:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Munchausen by Proxy?
instableoxymoron · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks Eminem
bannable03 · 5 points · Posted at 03:05:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Melatonin, that could actually be a good idea.
"Huh, I thought they'd be bouncing off the walls after all that candy, little bugger's, must have eaten themselves sleepy."
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:33:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
http://www.bayshorebroadcasting.ca/news_item.php?NewsID=97187
JacP123 · 3 points · Posted at 02:46:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea thats the one. It was some sort of candy I guess then.
nightwing2000 · 2 points · Posted at 05:25:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was a kid (50 years ago) there was a bit in the newspaper (remember those?) about a kid found a razor blade in an apple he got on Halloween. The same problem happened to several kids for the next few years. The police were sure that most of these were copy-cats trying to get their faces in the news. But then, apples and (sewing) needles are a lot cheaper than drugs.
TangoMike22 · 2 points · Posted at 06:26:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Found the Canadian?
JacP123 · 2 points · Posted at 06:42:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, I had to say "smarties" just to make sure people knew what I was talking about
robbie5325 · 3 points · Posted at 01:22:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People want to play the victim.
SerBeardian · 1 points · Posted at 04:29:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
15 minutes of fame is a powerful drug...
TXHODLem · 52 points · Posted at 20:42:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially when the kid isn’t even going to enjoy it.
yumyumgivemesome · 2 points · Posted at 23:26:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why wouldn't a kid enjoy the high?
amacy6969 · 6 points · Posted at 00:19:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
a whole mdma pill would be overwhelming for a child
yumyumgivemesome · 1 points · Posted at 00:51:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well naturally. (Disclaimer: Nobody should ever give them a neurotoxin of any kind.) Just wondering out loud what the high would be like at a low or comparable dose.
iuvbio · -8 points · Posted at 01:27:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You obviously have no clue what MDMA is, it doesn't come in pills (pure)
amacy6969 · 8 points · Posted at 01:46:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mdma pills are common if youve been anywhere near drugs, idk what type of scene youre in. youre trying to sound smart by implying I said mdma pills were any type of pure, yes there is binders and fillers, yes theyre pressed by sketchy guys, test your shit. But cmon, youre really gonna stand behind your comment like I was saying pills were pure mdma? That was nowhere near the point of my comment and you know that.
Ive probably handled more mdma powder than you have dude, idk why you want to go around gatekeeping and acting like a dick
SuplexCity86 · 0 points · Posted at 18:26:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, look at this guy! He’s handled more mdma powder than some internet stranger. That’s so steeze dude.
amacy6969 · 3 points · Posted at 19:10:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah go ahead and frame it like that if you want dude, im not trying to impress anyone im just saying I do have an idea what Im talking about to that dick saying i dont even know what it is.
DoesntReadMessages · 12 points · Posted at 23:37:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tbh mdma basically makes you feel like a kid so it'd just be yucky with not much effect to them.
yumyumgivemesome · 13 points · Posted at 00:12:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, the experience is quite a bit more nuanced than that. For example, the drug makes a lot of people feel extremely empathetic toward others. Obviously giving any undeveloped brain a neurotoxin is a despicable idea, but I still wonder what their experience would be like as compared to ours.
riin11 · 4 points · Posted at 00:13:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I certainly never felt like that as a kid, you must have taken some bad pills.
withcinnamon · 10 points · Posted at 00:32:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a Catholic school kid in the 80's the nuns used to warn us to never pick up stickers off the street. Apparently dealers like to drop them on the ground to get unsuspecting children to trip balls. Riiiiight.
DancingWithMyshelf · 1 points · Posted at 10:33:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Back in the mid '80s, when I was in 5th grade, that one made it to our school, too. Only thing was that we were a rural as fuck school, so there were no sidewalks, so the urban legend there went that they would walk up and hand you scratch and sniff stickers full of LSD. Even as a kid, that one sounded a bit like bullshit.
withcinnamon · 2 points · Posted at 14:36:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rural drug dealers sound nice. City dealers make you work for it!
Username_123 · 9 points · Posted at 00:00:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very true, most people are too cheap to hand out full size candy bars...
DancingWithMyshelf · 2 points · Posted at 10:34:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In our area, it was always the dentists that gave them out.
Louis83 · 10 points · Posted at 23:02:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
$20? What the heck?
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 23:40:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What are you confused about?
fx32 · 12 points · Posted at 00:06:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Price of mdma is very region dependent, but $20/pill would be expensive I guess? Living in a Dutch town, they tend to be under €5/pill locally, sometimes as low as €20/g — although twice as costly in Amsterdam.
electi0neering · 3 points · Posted at 00:58:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have paid 40$ before for one pill. It was a very good pill, but that was US prices in early 2000’s , never even thought much of it. They were double stack Mitsubishi turbos after all.
Louis83 · 1 points · Posted at 01:38:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's a very similar price as here in Berlin.
AFAIK Most of our stuff comes from you guys 😂
fx32 · 1 points · Posted at 08:21:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Netherlands, Belgium and Poland are the main producers, so Germany is in a good spot ;)
farmfreshsausage · 4 points · Posted at 00:28:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
$20 for one pill is extremely expensive. In California street price is 5 or 10 max.
BlasphemyIsJustForMe · 2 points · Posted at 23:59:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The fact that Ecstasy is so cheap, probably.
OhhJukes · 3 points · Posted at 00:32:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
that's not cheap for one pill
BlasphemyIsJustForMe · 1 points · Posted at 01:06:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, I was thinking it'd be something like $30 or $50 for one. So its a bit cheaper than I thought. Then again, I dont know anything about the drug market
EatMyBiscuits · 1 points · Posted at 01:07:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s not a normal price for one pill
OhhJukes · 1 points · Posted at 06:24:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
i know for that price you should getting multiple
Louis83 · 1 points · Posted at 01:10:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I pay around 5€ here in Berlin.
Eve_Doulou · 4 points · Posted at 01:25:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Where do I go trick or treating where they will give me free mdma?
Asking for a friend...
UseaJoystick · 2 points · Posted at 00:40:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Where the fuck do you pay $20 a pill?
SomeGuyInNewZealand · 2 points · Posted at 01:36:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cos who wouldn't want happy, dancing children who just can't sleep quite yet!
pcbuildthro · 2 points · Posted at 03:48:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The original scare was a man who did it to his own kids and gave the candy out hoping others would eat it so he could collect on some sort of insurance.
none of the other parents did though, and only his kids suffered the tainted candy.
he got caught.
Justforthisasshole · 2 points · Posted at 00:41:39 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn. $20? When I use to roll/sell, I was paying about 3-5 dollars a pill. When I sold them it was still only 10 or so. I considered 15 to be taxing them. This was only about 10 years ago. Have they gone up that much or are they just that high in your area?
DancingWithMyshelf · 1 points · Posted at 10:55:15 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was just wild guessing inflation. I haven't rolled in over 20 years, and they were around 5 back then, too.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 00:21:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Try 3-5. You are overpaying bro.
DancingWithMyshelf · 1 points · Posted at 10:33:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven't bought any since the early '90s. I have no clue what they go for. I just stick to trees now.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:48:16 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ya I stick to trees also. Don't want anything else including liquor.
MyTrueIdiotSelf990 · 2 points · Posted at 00:05:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
FTFY
jump101 · 1 points · Posted at 00:39:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think about letting people use my gosh darn pen vape lol and its like way cheaper.
patchoulicolt · 7461 points · Posted at 16:29:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or use
drugdealingcop · 75 points · Posted at 21:44:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I really wish they would. It would make me happy.
Trick or treat
Here you go sir. A nice cold beer
Here you go sir. An edible
Here you go sir. 20 bucks.
Here you go sir. Homemade food
Here you go sir. Sex
patchoulicolt · 45 points · Posted at 21:48:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You had me with the edible, and lost me with the sex.
I do not believe it's appropriate to have sex with your trick-or-treaters.
But maybe I'm just a prude. . .
drugdealingcop · 29 points · Posted at 21:55:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's why you give different people different treats.
patchoulicolt · 31 points · Posted at 21:56:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ohhhhh. . . So you only molest some if the children. Got it!
[deleted] · 19 points · Posted at 22:23:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You know the people who get pissed when teenagers try to trick or treat. Well some people like when the teenagers trick or treat
drugdealingcop · 13 points · Posted at 22:32:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was talking about an adult trick or treat. IDK where they got kids from but they're not supposed to be here.
drakecherry · 12 points · Posted at 22:46:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh fuck, its a cop!
Rolled1YouDeadNow · 5 points · Posted at 00:19:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
HE'S GOT A GUN SHOOT HIM
*pew* *pew*
-1KingKRool- · 0 points · Posted at 01:06:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When a mommy and a daddy love each other...
drugdealingcop · 1 points · Posted at 03:19:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Uh huh...
-1KingKRool- · 2 points · Posted at 03:32:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
...they go out and adopt a kid!
drugdealingcop · 1 points · Posted at 05:03:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So that's where babies come from. The children shelter.
Dre_Lake · 1 points · Posted at 05:06:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What if they’re those weird 18 year olds who trick-or-treat?
IHATELOWERCAPS · 3 points · Posted at 22:46:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
narc
uniptf · 1 points · Posted at 14:42:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live between two universities. One is six blocks from my house in one direction, the other is eight blocks from my house in the opposite direction.
College girls in "slutty (anything)" Hallowe'en costumes FTMFW.
Last year, a t-o-ting group came around made up of one college guy holding the handles of 12 long leashes that each led to a college girl dressed as close to indecent exposure without actually getting arrested as you can imagine.
I would have sex with most of my t-o-ters, and so would you.
Cats_With_Extra_MSG · 94 points · Posted at 21:04:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't get high on your own supply though
patchoulicolt · 75 points · Posted at 21:05:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have to argue with that. A wholesale discount could be a very nice thing.
Aanon89 · 30 points · Posted at 21:53:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The discount is QUITE a nice thing.
lunatickid · 19 points · Posted at 23:24:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, I feel like that applies to harder, more addictive drugs. MJ or even coke, most people start dealing bc it’s cheaper to buy in bulk and friends start wanting to buy, no?
ContrarianDouche · 8 points · Posted at 23:28:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yuuuuup
Mapey · 3 points · Posted at 02:32:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly how I started whit weed dealing.
corleone45 · 12 points · Posted at 21:40:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rule # 4
TardFarts · 1 points · Posted at 02:50:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Never get high on your own supply
_Entity_CS · 3 points · Posted at 23:32:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why
patchoulicolt · 3 points · Posted at 21:06:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Could I have a cat with 0 msg, please? 💜
Cats_With_Extra_MSG · 2 points · Posted at 11:58:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can either have a flavour enhanced cat or no cat at all, your choice.
patchoulicolt · 2 points · Posted at 16:32:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about an MSG cat with extra MSG? Can I make substitutions on the rest of the meal? I don't like spring rolls. . .
Siouxsie871 · 39 points · Posted at 20:26:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like candy
Mister_Spacely · 14 points · Posted at 20:44:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not like candy
Aanon89 · 6 points · Posted at 21:44:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But it looks like candy, so it's candy?
tonydvs · 23 points · Posted at 21:54:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
instructions unclear....ate another tide pod.
1nvisiman · 11 points · Posted at 20:30:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are good people in this world...
[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 20:41:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Drug addicts are usually good and balanced people. Why wouldn't they give drugs?
patchoulicolt · 26 points · Posted at 20:53:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My aunt's drunken llama Susie that wears moon rocks for hoofs says 'drugs are expensive, and I'm not gonna waste them on kids that can't appreciate it!'
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 20:59:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Quazite · 16 points · Posted at 21:33:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol not if they just eat a candy bar and start feelin funny. It's not like they're like "wow I really like this extacy that I just took let me go back to this address I got it from and buy more". If you give a little kid drugs all he's gonna be is confused, even if it does feel nice.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:40:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like to think the misspelling of ecstasy was deliberate as a metaphor for the kids’ ignorance and naivety
Quazite · 1 points · Posted at 02:39:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It wasn't I'm just bad at spelling
notsowise23 · 8 points · Posted at 21:53:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most people that use drugs aren't addicts, just like most people that drink aren't alcoholics. It's just as common to share drugs as it is to buy a buddy a drink.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 21:58:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why are you telling me this and where in my comment do I state anything similar?
notsowise23 · 4 points · Posted at 21:59:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your comment sounded sarcastic.
[deleted] · -6 points · Posted at 22:15:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is. Drug addicts aren't balanced people. Not saying they arent successful one way or another just stating the obvious. Also, most drug addicts are infact unbalanced troubled individuals.
notsowise23 · 9 points · Posted at 22:23:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've met hundreds, if not thousands of people that take drugs recreationally, and they tend to be lovely, kind people. But I guess psychedelics are a completely different world to that of heroin and meth.
Casehead · 3 points · Posted at 22:30:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He said addicts, not users.
notsowise23 · 3 points · Posted at 22:34:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, it's just I get the sense that a lot of people think that everyone that takes drugs is an addict. I'd like to see that perspective change, because some drugs could do a lot of good in the world.
Casehead · 2 points · Posted at 05:09:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's very true, friend, I agree.
dankmemet · 8 points · Posted at 22:19:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Spoken like someone who never did drugs
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 00:15:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Spoken like someone who never read what I wrote.
Check the words in bold and try again
For a tip. The secret is in the word ADDICTS
Ataru13 · 3 points · Posted at 22:35:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you're missing his emphasis on the word addicts.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:23:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You are lucky you know nothing of that world
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:17:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't know what you mean but I meant to be sarcastic
B0NERSTORM · 0 points · Posted at 22:25:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Try hanging out with drug dealers and drug users. They share very often. Maybe it's so they don't feel alone or don't want to feel weird about it by being the only one but they share. Actually maybe it's so they feel confident someone isn't going to call the cops on them, lol. Maybe it's because they hope that people will share with them if they get drugs.
The profit margins are so crazy on drugs that it's ludicrous to think they'll care about losing profits on a small amount rather than potentially gain a new customer. Try just going to Costco sometime and ask yourself why they give away free food that they could sell. The people that I know that run shops are very generous. I casually mentioned using it for arthritis and one of them gave me a large jar of top shelf product just to give it a try. I don't think I've ever witnessed someone doing a bump of coke without offering it to everyone in the room.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:33:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plot twist: a new customer isn't going to be a trick or treating 8 year old. Lol.
B0NERSTORM · 2 points · Posted at 01:47:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It wasn't the Halloween part I was objecting to, just the reasoning that people don't give away drugs for free. People do it all the time so saying that it's not likely because drug dealers would rather sell it is not accurate at all. Besides that if you think about it even a little bit it falls apart. If a person is determined to poison kids they're not going to pause because of the price of drugs. It's like saying a criminal wouldn't shoot you because bullets are so expensive these days.
song_pond · 5 points · Posted at 03:02:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's always the argument I use when people start to get uppity about Halloween candy. "Exactly 0% of people who have drugs are giving them away to random children...for free." I mean, people who smoke pot are likely to share with you but they're not just gonna give you a joint and say "you go have fun now" even if you're friends. The ecstacy pills that look like candy? Yeah, it's not like you're going up to someone's door and they're like "oh shit we don't have any candy, uhhhhh here have some o these."
People who do drugs want to keep their drugs. People who sell drugs want money for their drugs. Neither of those people are giving drugs away for free to children. Get over it.
focesar · 2 points · Posted at 21:29:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy, this guy here. He knows what’s up.
CommunistFesto · 2 points · Posted at 21:36:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hmm..true
allmyblackclothes · 2 points · Posted at 00:18:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or give away to their actual friends.
patchoulicolt · 1 points · Posted at 08:14:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless you have no friends. Except for cats. And cats do Nip.
drugdealingcop · 2 points · Posted at 21:44:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I really wish they would. It would make me happy.
Trick or treat
Here you go sir. A nice cold beer
Here you go sir. An edible
Here you go sir. 20 bucks.
Here you go sir. Homemade food
Here you go sir. Sex
pillbilly · 241 points · Posted at 20:35:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe the only documented case of Halloween candy being tampered with was when a father killed his son with cyanide-laced Pixy Stix to collect the insurance money. Here are a couple of links, I can post more later if anyone is interested. What a sick piece of shit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Clark_O%27Bryan
https://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/halloween.asp
[deleted] · 57 points · Posted at 21:59:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
By far the worst part was when the kid complained he didn't want to eat anymore because it tasted wrong and the dad just handed him some Kool-aid and told him to keep eating. That and the fact this psycho was willing to not only fatally poison his own son, but potentially other neighborhood kids, HIS ONLY OTHER FUCKING KID, and throw an innocent man under the bus. I hope by everything this scumbag is burning in Hell where he belongs or is at least in prison. Despite how horrible the US prison systems are (can't say first hand, never been) this man is one who deserves everything he gets there.
zergbutt · 40 points · Posted at 22:15:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He was executed by lethal injection.
JacP123 · 24 points · Posted at 22:31:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hoped they used Cyanide. Just for the irony.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 22:49:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Eat these pixie sticks”
goosebyrd · 4 points · Posted at 23:50:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or Pixy stix. Straight into an artery.
KING_5HARK · 9 points · Posted at 22:23:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Deserved way worse tbh
specialdeath · 3 points · Posted at 01:48:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cyanide washed down with Kool-Aid... now what does that remind me of
SamWillsy · 39 points · Posted at 20:36:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This thread got real dark real quick
LadyFoxfire · 18 points · Posted at 22:54:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There was another case where a toddler got into his uncle's heroin stash and died, and his parents put the heroin on his candy after the fact to protect the uncle. It caused a panic before the police figured out what happened.
Work-Safe-Reddit4450 · 12 points · Posted at 21:09:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy fuck.
Hascalod · 22 points · Posted at 01:05:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy shit. At least they made the best out of this fucker's death.
SolarSailor46 · 11 points · Posted at 21:25:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't wanna read those.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 23:08:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The first sign of suspicion was the eight-year-old with life insurance.
millatime21 · 5 points · Posted at 02:16:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's not strange. Gerber life insurance, for example
copper_chicken · 3 points · Posted at 23:06:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Man, that poor fucking kid.
[deleted] · 140 points · Posted at 20:10:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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jh2999 · 13 points · Posted at 21:33:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This.
dothosenipscomeoff · 1 points · Posted at 00:56:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
that
DaughterEarth · 4 points · Posted at 23:28:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My friends give me drugs sometimes. But no strangers. That never happened.
party-in-here · 3 points · Posted at 23:37:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The only people that have ever given me free drugs are good friends lol
NoThrowLikeAway · 2 points · Posted at 01:38:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
D.A.R.E.
Drugs Are Rather Expensive
AngryFanboy · 123 points · Posted at 17:49:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The only way this could happen is if the guy handing out candy was so high they accidentally mix in their stash.
sunkenspoon · 51 points · Posted at 20:58:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A guy in my city literally did this last Halloween. Luckily his pot gummies were pretty clearly labelled and no kids actually ate them.
Source: https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4383616
queenyeeeezy · 42 points · Posted at 21:11:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The real horrors of marijuana; good labelling
Kill_Frosty · 27 points · Posted at 21:46:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good guy stoner. Gives weed edibles out so the parents will take them and have something to do that night.
TXHODLem · 2 points · Posted at 20:43:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Netflix here, would you like a TV show deal? How does $20M sound?
AngryFanboy · 1 points · Posted at 00:16:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dunno... $20M... seems kinda low.
alicatchrist · 37 points · Posted at 20:29:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
EXACTLY! I live in WA state, where marijuana is legal, and all my uptight neighbors were using scare tactics about watching out for marijuana laced edible candies being handed out amongst the Snickers bars. Most edibles I've noticed are $3-7 apiece depending on what you're getting. Shits too expensive to be handing out by the handful.
bothole · 9 points · Posted at 20:39:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Absolutely, the only way to do it economically would be to make your own laced candy and that's an awful waste of weed and time just to get some kids high.
WaGLaG · 25 points · Posted at 21:14:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
D.A.R.E. = Drugs Are Really Expensive.
dseszu · 114 points · Posted at 17:20:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So the kids get addicted and have to buy more /s
SamWillsy · 91 points · Posted at 17:40:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But what if the kid gets addicted , and ends up buying from the original guy’s rival
Then he’s just lost out twice
frosthowler · 14 points · Posted at 20:29:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wouldn't the kid return to the guy who gave him drugs?
SamWillsy · 30 points · Posted at 20:33:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why would a kid be buying drugs ? And how would he know who gave him the drugs ? Because I’m sure if they were trick or treating and a guy actually told him he’s giving him drugs, then the kid obviously wouldn’t take them. Therefore drugs are laced in somehow , in that case they don’t know who the dealer is
zk3033 · 21 points · Posted at 20:37:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don’t think we can reason out something that wasn’t reasoned into the first place
Salabaster · 3 points · Posted at 22:26:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like this... I’m going to have to use it sometime.
Renkin42 · 5 points · Posted at 22:58:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is actually a slight variation on a famous quote usually attributed to Johnathan Swift:
frosthowler · 10 points · Posted at 20:43:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're entirely right. Honestly, a kid would probably not realize it's a drug. Might think he's sick or something.
MyLittleOso · 10 points · Posted at 20:10:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But which house handed out the drug-laced Tootsie Rolls?!?!
Yaksho · 6 points · Posted at 19:58:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gotta hook em young
SamWillsy · 16 points · Posted at 20:06:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But kids won’t go out in the streets trying to find a dealer to satisfy their cravings ?
You don’t see a 9 year old roaming the streets trying to find a guy for just one more bump
chuckymcgee · 5 points · Posted at 22:02:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But seriously that is the explanation people would give you.
Or maybe that they're sadistic and want to see a bunch of kids in withdrawal.
Not that these being explanations actually means this ever actually happens.
nburns1825 · 12 points · Posted at 18:59:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Generosity?
MagicCuboid · 11 points · Posted at 21:00:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Way back in the 90s a couple of legitimate crimes were blown out of proportion to get parents to no longer trust home-made goods, which were common once upon a time at Halloween. Big win for candy company sponsors.
HeathenMama541 · 9 points · Posted at 21:30:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
People “giving away” drugs in general. I don’t get offered nearly as much free drugs as the D.A.R.E. program said I would. 🧐🤨
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 22:21:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The problem w/ this is that the kid who eats your drug-laced candy won't know which house he got it from, meaning he can't find you and buy more.
Fairwhetherfriend · 14 points · Posted at 20:56:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It actually did happen by accident in my town this past year. Somebody found pot gummies belonging to another member of the house and added them to the pot of candy they were giving out. They gave out like... 5 packs before they figured out what had happened and called the cops, freaking out. The cops determined there was no malice, didn't charge them (the owner of said gummies had them legally), and warned neighbourhood parents.
But yeah, that's not common at all.
GreekFyre · 8 points · Posted at 20:48:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
IIRC, the only case in which something like that has happened, which wasn't drugs or even blades or needles, but actually poison, was a father who intentionally poisoned his kids (and another kid so that it wouldn't seem suspicious) so they would die and he could collect the life insurance policy on them he had VERY RECENTLY filed. I know he was caught but I can't recall if all the kids died. Anyone, feel free to correct me or link any related article.
Edit: thanks to u/SamWillsy for linking the relevant article, and correcting me. Feel free to check his reply for the link.
SamWillsy · 3 points · Posted at 20:50:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7sml19/comment/dt6mzh9?st=JCTJMQYU&sh=9e6cc541
GreekFyre · 2 points · Posted at 21:19:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you for the link AND correction! Turns out I was somewhat right.
MrCoolioPants · 28 points · Posted at 18:34:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially something like Ecstasy. Meth or heroin makes sense sort of (not really) since it's addictive, but why would you just give kids a non addictive drug that's too expensive to give away with no way of recontacting them?
zMelonz · 7 points · Posted at 20:27:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Put a GPS in it.
TaylorS1986 · 7 points · Posted at 21:34:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're forgetting that these are the sort of idiots who think that all illegal drugs are "highly addictive".
WlkngAlive · 3 points · Posted at 23:04:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even the most addictive drug on the planet isn't addictive the first time you use it. On top of the fact that the person wouldn't even know why they felt that good so they wouldn't know what to buy.
TheSecondSam · 7 points · Posted at 23:36:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
On a side note. Most drug dealers and users have morals enough to know the minimum age they feel comfortable sharing. Sure a stoner might let a friend take a rip on the bong, but they're not going to let an 4 year old do it.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:07:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you telling me you can smoke the DEVILS 😈 lettuce and have morals?!
kaeroku · 15 points · Posted at 19:51:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
First time is always free. That's how they get you.
ThepastaisBroken · 4 points · Posted at 20:29:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Strong enough to get ya to come back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMDv2Gc_5fs
sunkenspoon · 3 points · Posted at 20:59:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dude in my city did it by accident.
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4383616
nixt26 · 4 points · Posted at 22:19:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think the premise was that they'd give the kid some drug that would drop them unconscious and be easy to kidnap.
AMasonJar · 6 points · Posted at 22:48:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What kid eats the stuff right at the door though? It'd probably be consumed in the house or at school.
Spazmer · 5 points · Posted at 22:26:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This was the same with peer pressure at school. If anything, we were running away to smoke up with our coke can pipe so we didn’t have to share. 1 gram split between 8 people is ridiculous.
trentblase · 7 points · Posted at 20:18:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why would I give candy to kids if I could sell or use it? Altruism motherfucker
professor-i-borg · 3 points · Posted at 21:05:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah same as the needles and blades in candy thing... It's all an urban legend and never happened in real life.
mlball315 · 3 points · Posted at 00:06:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I lived in PA, after we finished trick or treating; my parents would make us take our bags to the local police department and put them through a CT scanner (?)
kisarax · 1 points · Posted at 18:36:29 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
same - found a random battery once
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:28:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mabye they're just trying to be nice? /r/wholesomedrugsinhalloweencandy
amethyst69_ · 3 points · Posted at 20:37:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Drugs are expensive. No on is just giving away drugs lmao
artmobboss · 5 points · Posted at 20:52:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or “lacing” weed with other drugs, what a stupid concept for a drug dealer.
PRRKRR · 2 points · Posted at 21:20:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
laced weed is real, but it tends to be something that people let you smoke without telling you; not sell.
I know some people who ended up smoking cocaine or PCP because of this.
DoctorAwesomeBallz69 · 4 points · Posted at 21:34:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can't lace weed with cocaine hcl (powder). You can't properly smoke it without at least adding something to alter the burn temp. I mean, you could sprinkle coke in a joint or something but it would be a huge waste. Even sprinkling base cocaine (crack) in a joint wouldn't smoke very well, and you'd fucking taste it immediatly. The notion is just retarded and only morons would bother with such a stupid idea.
PRRKRR · 3 points · Posted at 22:51:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I figured someone would say this
Sprinkling it in a blunt isn't super uncommon, and it works. It's a waste, but people do it. Mostly works due to vaporization, not the actual burning of the cocaine.
I hate when people think something doesn't happen because they haven't seen it. I've seen someone freak out because they accidentally hit the wrong blunt and suddenly were in a way different high than expected...and find out it has coke in it. Same thing with PCP, though that's common for cigs to be dipped in too.
People do it because either they don't care with coke or they think its funny to fuck with someone(with both) Don't mean that's why they put it on, they do that to get high. I mean why they'd offer it or let someone hit it who asks.
JuicedNewton · 2 points · Posted at 22:46:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn’t PCP super hard to get hold of as well? Can’t imagine the average weed dealer would have that lying around and giving it to your customers without letting them know would be a good way to have them never buy from you again.
PRRKRR · 1 points · Posted at 22:52:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
PCP is incredibly easy and cheap to get in the hood. And I'm speaking on people letting someone else smoke at something like a party.
JuicedNewton · 1 points · Posted at 23:55:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The things you learn. I doubt any of my friends would be able to hook me up so we’re clearly not ‘hood’ enough!
I have heard of angel dust in joints but it sounded like an extra you would pay for or that a friend would do rather than being a surprise your dealer hadn’t bothered to mention.
PRRKRR · 1 points · Posted at 00:07:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh yeah, a dealer is pretty unlikely to just include that shit
I'm just speaking on people smoking it and letting you hit it or something. That's typically how people end up unknowingly smoking something.
BeeExpert · 2 points · Posted at 20:04:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know it doesn't really happen but the people who think it does would say it's to get the kids hooked on the drug so then they have to buy it.
AliveByLovesGlory · 2 points · Posted at 21:06:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The story of children being poisoned by Halloween candy happened once, and it turned out to be his own father that poisoned him.
And every single year since then it's all "check your candy!"
ro_thunder · 2 points · Posted at 21:11:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately, while this is true in most cases; it's not just drugs. This was my hometown.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Man-Who-Killed-Halloween-still-haunts-holiday-1971811.php
8hu5rust · 2 points · Posted at 21:14:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or razorblades
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:19:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right? If Timmy wants his shit he can come pay me
JarJar1337 · 2 points · Posted at 21:23:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
long term investments my man
nelpastel · 2 points · Posted at 21:23:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Philanthropy
PM_ME_JOHN_CENA_PICS · 2 points · Posted at 21:24:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Drugs are expensive
ILikeUkulele · 2 points · Posted at 22:43:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A customer of mine once directed me to a guy named Tom Lehrer who put it as so:
"Doing well by doing good. He gives the kids free samples, Because he knows full well. That today's young innocent faces. Will be tomorrow's clientele."
sonrad10 · 2 points · Posted at 22:57:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
IIRC from another comment thread, this is only known to have happened once, and it turned out to be the parents trying to kill the kids themselves.
arbitrarycivilian · 4 points · Posted at 21:00:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean sugar is basically a drug...
absurdity- · 1 points · Posted at 20:27:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some men just want to watch the world burn
whereisthenutella · 1 points · Posted at 20:57:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Marketing samples!
maseuz_33 · 1 points · Posted at 21:17:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or people giving away drugs to kids period.
ThatUSguy · 1 points · Posted at 21:24:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe the poisoned or drugged candy story is a not so urban legend originating from when a psycho dad killed his own son (for insurance money) with halloween candy. He was nicknamed The Candy Man, which later became a terrible movie. This was in 1974. There are no other reports of poisoned candy from any other Halloween, or any other halloween candy related deaths.
SonOfMotherDuck · 1 points · Posted at 21:26:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's an investment into the future of their business?
TaylorS1986 · 1 points · Posted at 21:31:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Giving away drugs to kids, period.
obtrae · 1 points · Posted at 21:42:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Because they want our kids to be addicts" - Mothers
mylesfrost335 · 1 points · Posted at 21:43:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think the idea is to get them addictive like an investment the same way free to play games force you to make a fake purchase and games start you with a free lootbox
Jsc_TG · 1 points · Posted at 21:50:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or just in general. They don’t give away that stuff like they make it out to be.
Sooperballz · 1 points · Posted at 22:08:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve heard of poisoning or razorblades but never drugs being given away.
Azrael351 · 1 points · Posted at 22:28:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but what about their surplus of razor blades... and apples.
sailorjupiter28titan · 1 points · Posted at 22:33:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I always thought it was supposed to be about scaring the children cause halloween is supposed to be scary.
erik_metal · 1 points · Posted at 22:53:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sugar is very addictive.
KhaoZs · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
when you give these stuff to them, they get addicted and will hence buy more frm you.Business Tactics.
whitepupper · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gotta get them free samples out. There's a reason small restaurants and stores still do it.
tadpole1985 · 1 points · Posted at 23:09:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So Conan O'Brien
AndrewWaldron · 1 points · Posted at 23:11:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You never once paid for drugs!
Cheesus250 · 1 points · Posted at 23:24:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This "happened" in my city this Halloween. Knowing the local PD though they were just watching all the hype build up around it and planted the story cause I can't for the life of me see someone handing out an edible THC gummy to some kid. The wrapper didn't even look like candy...
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially in candy, kids fucking vore that shit down.
PlatypusBait · 1 points · Posted at 23:40:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
To get them hooked and create new customers of course!
BubTheSkrub · 1 points · Posted at 23:45:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey sport, I got some cigarettes, want some lunch?
PM_ME_YOUR_PROOFS · 1 points · Posted at 00:01:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also spiking drugs and not telling you they've spiked it.
kingchilifrito · 1 points · Posted at 00:09:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
first rock is free
Glogesgonewild · 1 points · Posted at 00:13:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Drugs on Halloween?! This is terrible! But there are so many houses! Which ones exactly?
won_moar_tiem · 1 points · Posted at 00:15:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most people want payment, and even then you usually have to go to some effort to find the person.
jaynone · 1 points · Posted at 00:15:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because they’re not aware of “safe Halloween practices” obviously!!!
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-parents-urged-to-check-halloween-candy-after-marijuana-gummies-found-in-trick-or-treat-haul-1.4383616
itsRivenge · 1 points · Posted at 00:21:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
To get them hooked on it so they can eventually become regular users? idk.
Tugwater · 1 points · Posted at 00:30:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sometimes you have to demo the product to a new market you seek to expand to. /s
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:33:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Free samples
Wolfeman0101 · 1 points · Posted at 00:38:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure there is no verified case of it ever happening.
photog679 · 1 points · Posted at 00:38:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don’t buy drugs. Become a pop star and they give you them for free!
animica · 1 points · Posted at 00:42:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once was on the emergency room waiting for the doctor, there was a lot of people waiting as well and a man sat next to me. He started talking about God and his church, and he started telling me how dangerous it most be for me, a young lady, to go out to a bar because someone may put drugs in my drink. I told him drugs are quite expensive and noone was giving them up for free at any bar. He was shocked but at the same time started saying, yeah, that actually makes sense.
Grand_sales · 1 points · Posted at 00:50:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So I don't do drugs or ever have but I believed this as a kid:
The reason I believed this was as follows:
Maybe it's flawed, but I justified this common reasoning in this way.
Figured I'd also page: /u/DancingWithMyshelf
DeFex · 18535 points · Posted at 15:41:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You almost never see 2 guys walking across the street carrying a big pane of glass.
_Caed_ · 9125 points · Posted at 20:04:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was on a college visit once and I saw two guys walking holding a big pane of glass. I took a good look because I know it will never happen again.
brontojem · 5560 points · Posted at 21:33:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once slipped on a banana peel. I took a moment to really absorb it because I couldn't believe it had actually just happened.
oddmanout · 1814 points · Posted at 23:31:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had an old roommate try to explain that you couldn't really slip on a banana peel, it would just mush.... so he proceeded to demonstrate by stepping on a banana peel and his leg went flying out from under him causing him to fall in the most hilarious way possible.
DrEnter · 259 points · Posted at 03:06:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Explain what you are doing again for the camera...”
bronk03 · 33 points · Posted at 03:59:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do it for the vine
Bananapopcicle · 33 points · Posted at 03:17:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your comment made me smile - thank you
(Also I have a slightly relaxing username)
Bananabuster15 · 23 points · Posted at 03:43:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your time has come
amidoingitright15 · 9 points · Posted at 07:25:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Relevant?
Someretardedponyman · 8 points · Posted at 21:37:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
RELAXING
Runixo · 5 points · Posted at 11:43:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Super chill username indeed.
FlashlightMemelord · 2 points · Posted at 23:29:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Budget $aver Banana Popsicle
mashed-brotatoes · 2 points · Posted at 22:53:39 on March 2, 2018 · (Permalink)
Underrated treat. I hunt for these constantly as they are no longer available in my town :(
FlashlightMemelord · 1 points · Posted at 13:43:47 on March 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
theyre produced in my town i live in wheeling west virginia
mashed-brotatoes · 2 points · Posted at 15:17:17 on March 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
NEVER take that for granted. Those things are gold.
LacrosseForDays · 18 points · Posted at 05:54:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think Mythbusters did a myth about this and proved banana peels are more slippery than ky jelly
Euphenomenal · 7 points · Posted at 23:24:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe they tested semen as well, and banana peels won out.
towelrod123 · 7 points · Posted at 04:07:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This made me laugh way harder than it should have
Plague_of_crocus · 3 points · Posted at 09:52:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A banana peel on tiled floor is terrifying
RedrumRunner · 2 points · Posted at 15:05:50 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
He should have watched the Myth Busters.
roboguy88 · 3 points · Posted at 04:54:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you, by any chance, put that on Vine?
SnowyEvans2 · 1 points · Posted at 04:14:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is he Kramer?
4everfaythful · 1 points · Posted at 05:26:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol now THAT is awesome!!!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:28:48 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
ding.
Schmogel · 1 points · Posted at 19:55:24 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck I started laughing like Jimmy Carr.
WTK55 · 69 points · Posted at 22:35:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I need an AMA right now.
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 52 points · Posted at 23:55:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ok. I read about this guy that slipped on a banana peel. AMA!
Lexxystarr · 14 points · Posted at 00:00:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What’s it like?
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 34 points · Posted at 00:39:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was really funny at first, but then I thought more about what if it had happened to me. I mean, you see this stuff on tv all the time, but you NEVER see it happen to anyone. What does this mean? How poorly am I living my life that I don't have the awareness to dodge a static brightly colored object? I'd never be the same anymore.
MedievalPotato · 8 points · Posted at 00:04:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What were you doing immediately before this happened?
TLema · 19 points · Posted at 00:26:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm gonna hazard a guess at eating a banana.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 00:57:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love you.
TLema · 8 points · Posted at 01:00:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Let's get married
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:09:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, lets! What's the worst that could happen?
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 9 points · Posted at 00:46:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was here browsing Reddit, you know? Trying to kill time while I'm at work. I had just been amused by this meme about Jesus flipping tables and whipping people. It was great seeing all the hilarious comments, so I didn't think anything could hold up against that. Then I read about the banana peel guy. Unreal. That shit actually happens in real life! I needed to take a break after that to ponder if that same fate could ever cross my path. What a day.
ask_many_questions · 8 points · Posted at 00:07:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you have a fear of bananas after that incident?
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 12 points · Posted at 00:50:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldn't call it fear, more of respect. They seem friendly, you know? Funny looking yellow buggers. But from the wise words of a fellow redditor:
Bananas are great!
Full of potassium, mate!
But walk in their path,
And they'll put you on your ass!
cutelyaware · 6 points · Posted at 00:10:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is that a metaphor for gay sex?
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 7 points · Posted at 00:53:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't everything in life? It's cool, man. Don't fight it, you'll like it.
geetar_man · 5 points · Posted at 00:11:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe a euphemism for putting on a condom.
buzz-holdin · 5 points · Posted at 00:12:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you have a banana for scale.
kittymctacoyo · 8 points · Posted at 00:26:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Banana for scale
IllUpsetFlaskIll · 2 points · Posted at 00:57:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Negativo, my friendo. But if you check OP's pants, you'll find a suitable banana sized banana smear on the left cheek area. Measure the world with it! Enjoy.
SlashdotExPat · 7 points · Posted at 00:50:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've done it. They're slippery AF. Try it but seriously.. don't die.
LuvsDomMen · 10 points · Posted at 00:52:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Seriously listen to this guy. I slipped on a banana peel and died.
artanis00 · 7 points · Posted at 00:54:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh my God are you okay?
SlashdotExPat · 6 points · Posted at 00:56:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No. He ded
brontojem · 3 points · Posted at 02:28:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's pretty simple. I am an American who was working in China. I was in a fancy shopping area where they made the sidewalk out of shiny bricks. I slipped and slide across the steps. I looked down and I was stepping on a banana peel. I couldn't believe it and looked around to see if anyone noticed but no one seemed to. So I just laughed by myself for a few seconds and then carried on my way.
[deleted] · 59 points · Posted at 22:47:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Levitlame · 35 points · Posted at 23:24:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know that the first half is true... But that's how good lies work. So I am now even more skeptical of this theory...
pajam · 13 points · Posted at 02:23:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'll make it more believable:
Ulti · 8 points · Posted at 02:29:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ahh, sources cited, good.
a4techkeyboard · 30 points · Posted at 23:25:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The trope is apparently a sort of visual euphemism entertainers used for slipping on horse manure that used to cover the streets before horseless carriages.
TheFalsePoet · 21 points · Posted at 23:57:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not necessarily true. There is a rather infamous court case called Anjou v. Boston Elevated Railway Co. from 1911. A woman (Anjou) slipped and hurt herself on a banana peel. Case is about whether it was negligent to leave a banana peel on a Railway platform.
There's also Joye v. Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co. from 1968.
iceColdCool · 8 points · Posted at 00:22:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is definitely interesting. Thank you!
*edit: definitely. Thanks reddit...
hectorj84 · 6 points · Posted at 00:47:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Definitely.
trialobite · 1 points · Posted at 01:41:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting - noun - Not necessarily true. There is a rather infamous court case called Anjou v. Boston Elevated Railway Co. from 1911. A woman (Anjou) slipped and hurt herself on a banana peel. Case is about whether it was negligent to leave a banana peel on a Railway platform. See also: Joye v. Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co. from 1968.
Balancing7plates · 3 points · Posted at 02:53:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting is not a noun.
trialobite · 0 points · Posted at 03:15:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, I am dying right now. Linguistics major here and that's the best I can do. Down-voting myself.
mariaozawathrowaway · 3 points · Posted at 23:55:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
did cavemen draw people slipping on banana peels?
indoordinosaur · 2 points · Posted at 03:26:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Today's banana peels are still extremely slippery. I know firsthand.
Insert_Gnome_Here · 1 points · Posted at 12:36:32 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
As well as being more slippery, the old Gros Michel banana also tasted a lot more like 'banana flavouring' than the modern Cavendish.
AlwaysSpinClockwise · 24 points · Posted at 22:38:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Banana peels are legit slippery as shit, this surprised me when I first stepped on one, because I totally thought it was just a movie / cartoon trope, but I could totally see it happening to someone.
Yodfather · 1 points · Posted at 16:02:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There’s a whole line of cases law students learn that involve slipping on banana peels.
People got hurt but it’s funny as shit.
nips_ahoy_x · 17 points · Posted at 00:11:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My most disliked teacher at school slipped on a banana peel in front of the classroom coming in to teach us. She broke her arm and never came back. I'll never witness such a thing again.
CosmologyX · 11 points · Posted at 23:31:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once walked into a McDonalds and started slipping and sliding right next to the Slippery Surface sign before falling to the ground
Esoteric_Erric · 11 points · Posted at 00:51:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was carrying a plank of wood by myself when someone called to me and I swung it around almost hitting a guy who ducked outta the way, and then ducked again and again as I kept swinging it around because I got confused by people calling.
ontheburst · 10 points · Posted at 00:10:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I slipped on a banana peel at school. I was in the process of kicking a ball, planted my foot on a banana peel and went arse over tit. It was cartoonish.
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 22:48:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did this too once and because of the old cliche couldn't stop laughing for a good 5 minutes. After dusting myself off could barely stand for the silliness of the situation.
skinnyjeansfatpants · 1 points · Posted at 23:44:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, I have also slipped on a banana peel.
Godsshoeshine24 · 5 points · Posted at 23:48:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I slipped on grapes
Psionz · 5 points · Posted at 00:14:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did this on purpose once. Threw a banana peel on the floor laughing to my friends about how stupid it was that people always slip on them in cartoons. I proceeded to to do a kind of skip/jump on to the said peel and went arse over tip.
Had to get up and pretend it didn't hurt too.
offBrandon · 5 points · Posted at 00:21:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s amazing how slippery they actually are. I didn’t realize it until I was victimized by compost. I guess it’s true that stereotypes are based on some truth.
sightlab · 6 points · Posted at 01:14:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Under the right circumstances I can whip a tablecloth off of a fully set table, everything on the table staying in place. It’s not that hard and it’s never perfect: slick tablecloth, not too long table, sharp confident tug & plenty of room for follow through once inertia is established in all bodies (polyester hotel table cloths and heavy duty hotel dinnerware is perfect). And usually a glass or candlestick will fall or wobble or whatever. But people are a-fucking-mazed when they see it because it’s a cliche thing no one thinks anyone can actually do. People may comment on this - “r/thathappened” or “no you can’t gaybeard, shut up”. But I promise, I can do it. You can, anyone can. Just grow a pair and try.
Yes I have failed a few times too.
brontojem · 3 points · Posted at 02:32:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's awesome. It seems to me it's on par with flipping an omelette or something - you can do it, you just have to be confident and just do it- which is the part I can't get.
sightlab · 3 points · Posted at 04:36:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The secret to confidence is to fake it and pretend to be confident. Which is exactly what confidence actually is, but ignore that nagging detail.
Meerkatable · 5 points · Posted at 01:22:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This used to be a huge problem in the US back in the early 1900s. When I was in law school, we read SO MANY tort cases about people getting injured by slipping on banana peels people left on the ground.
briibeezieee · 2 points · Posted at 05:26:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ive read those same cases lol I almost wanted to think the prof was fucking w me
PM_ME_GUITAR_PICKS · 4 points · Posted at 00:32:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tap the L or R button and you should fly right through it next time.
bk7j · 4 points · Posted at 01:44:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I spilled a bunch of milk one time when I was having a bad night. I really wanted to cry, but just couldn't bring myself to.
PoopyAdventurer · 7 points · Posted at 23:55:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Back in highschool when I was an asshole I used to throw banana peels under people's feet at lunch to see who would fall. It worked surprisingly well.
mournthewolf · 3 points · Posted at 23:49:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Slipping on banana peels is not that rare in my life unfortunately.
LouGossetJr · 3 points · Posted at 00:02:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
it's true. them suckers are slippery. i slipped on one, i didn't fall down, but it tweaked something in my back. fuck banana peels!
50mHz · 3 points · Posted at 02:08:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw a chicken cross the road just to get to the other side. I haven't laughed harder since. What a great time.
BeEyeGePeeOhPeePeeEh · 3 points · Posted at 02:31:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once, when I was a kid, I saw a banana peel laying on the dirt road when I was walking home from school. I thought to myself it’s so ridiculous how they make it seem like banana peels are slippery in cartoons and decided I would step on it to really show them. Pretty weird logic but I was a child...I fucken slipped.
FatKanibal · 3 points · Posted at 02:34:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I stepped on a rake once and it Scooby-Doo-ed the shit out of me. Cartoon violence is too real sometimes.
karma_withdrawal · 2 points · Posted at 22:30:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was working in the back of a kitchen I slipped and almost fell on a piece of pineapple. Dammit Carlos!
LionThrows · 2 points · Posted at 23:55:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you sure youre not in a cartoon?
dorothybaez · 2 points · Posted at 23:58:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hope you weren't hurt, and I'm so sorry if you were....but I think I would pay money to see that.
brontojem · 2 points · Posted at 02:29:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wasn't. I actually laughed a lot but no one around me thought it was interesting.
ThatGirl_Tasha · 2 points · Posted at 00:24:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My theory is that the type of banana that went extinct in the 20s or 30s or whenever it was, was very very slippery, hence all the old gags in movies
indoordinosaur · 2 points · Posted at 03:33:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The ones from today are also extremely slippery and dangerous.
Source: Used to work at a smoothie stand.
RECOGNI7E · 2 points · Posted at 00:27:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They are actually very slippery.
laaazlo · 2 points · Posted at 00:32:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hope somebody saw you and did a spit take.
General_Kenobi896 · 2 points · Posted at 00:43:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
brontojem:"The attempt on my life has left me scarred... and deformed..."
GaySwans · 2 points · Posted at 00:58:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This used to be a big thing when they didn't have adequate garbage collection, lol.
Ohjay1982 · 2 points · Posted at 01:04:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My buddy slipped on a banana peel one time when we were drunk and walking down the street. It was a very dramatic fall too just like you see in the cartoons! We must of laughed for an hour straight.
BasicallyNerd · 2 points · Posted at 01:24:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My girlfriend broke her arm last summer by skateboarding over a banana peel. I told her to move it out the way before skating. Spoiler alert: she didn't listen lol
harkandhush · 2 points · Posted at 02:04:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I also did this. For a moment, I felt like a cartoon.
talksaboutbeers · 2 points · Posted at 02:30:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thrice slipped on a banana peel in the month of November 2017. I will never forget November 2017.
conquer69 · 2 points · Posted at 02:40:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have slipped many times on plastic bags. Weird how it's never shown on movies.
sedlec · 2 points · Posted at 02:49:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This happened to me in downtown Seattle once. Afterwards I looked around at everyone on the sidewalk like, “PLEASE tell me someone witnessed that!”
I don’t think anyone did.
indoordinosaur · 2 points · Posted at 03:35:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People in Seattle don't acknowledge each other.
indoordinosaur · 2 points · Posted at 03:29:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work at a smoothie shop in a mall foodcourt. It was extremely busy and we went through probably hundreds of bananas a day. Obviously some ended up on the floor. They definitely are slippery and I probably slipped on one weekly. I also injured myself at least a few times hitting my head or knee.
sewsnap · 2 points · Posted at 03:33:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Have kids who like bananas. Happens a lot more often then you'd think.
ma_demoiselle · 2 points · Posted at 03:51:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My girlfriend slipped on a banana peel once. It was like right out of a cartoon!
Jarvizzz · 2 points · Posted at 04:23:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I stepped out of my car at school once right onto a banana peel and slipped hard falling backward, caught myself on the door which then slammed shut right on my arm and face simultaneously. Once I wiggled my way out and stood up all I could do was laugh at myself like a maniac. I was returning from lunch and had thrown that peel out the window about 4 hours earlier in the day when I arrived and parked in the same spot.
TL;DR: You can really slip on banana peels and Karma is a real thing.
nubthesecond · 2 points · Posted at 04:34:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
proof or it didn't happen ;)
brontojem · 2 points · Posted at 14:42:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I could barely believe it happened! I was surrounded by people, and I looked around to see if anyone noticed and no one seemed too. I told my friend with me what happened, and she didn't seem to realize how amazing it was. I need better friends.
nubthesecond · 2 points · Posted at 17:48:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
nah I do believe you really random person on the internet!! :D
briibeezieee · 2 points · Posted at 05:25:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In law, Ive read case after case about slipping on these and suing
4everfaythful · 2 points · Posted at 05:26:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hahaha that's amazing
dellpcbyme · 2 points · Posted at 06:58:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I made that happen on purpose to just see if it were true... it is.
Batface13 · 2 points · Posted at 16:58:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Me too! I actually took a pic of it after because I thought no one would believe. This was like 6 years ago though, so I have some digging to do in my pic files....
fathertime25 · 2 points · Posted at 17:48:33 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once crashed my car through a watermelon stand while being chased by russian spies and i took a moment to absorb it because it happens only omce a month.
notcoldbutraw · 2 points · Posted at 03:11:47 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
This happened to me too. Couldn’t believe it actually happened, took my time to absorb it too because I knew it wouldn’t happen again
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 09:59:26 on February 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once I was in my room and I heard a bang from the kitchen so I went out and found my mum on the floor. I asked what had happened and she pointed to a banana skin on the floor. She got angry at me because I was too busy laughing to see if she was okay.
medphysdoctor · 2 points · Posted at 13:56:19 on February 23, 2018 · (Permalink)
Me too!!! The worst part was nobody was around to laugh at the hilarity of the whole thing with me!
ElipsonLemon · 2 points · Posted at 05:41:17 on February 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did the same thing after my keys slipped out of my hand and fell down a sewer drain.
nels5104 · 1540 points · Posted at 20:27:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You... you didn’t skateboard through it?
You blew it!
_Caed_ · 118 points · Posted at 20:38:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I tried to use a skateboard it’s not the glass that’s breaking
SirBackspace · 14 points · Posted at 21:55:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind if my hands broke ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
JustARedditUser0 · 25 points · Posted at 22:01:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FTFY
dreamaxi · 10 points · Posted at 22:29:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Every thread
_Caed_ · 2 points · Posted at 22:54:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck
shandow0 · 2 points · Posted at 00:06:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dunno, they might drop it on top of you. Then both the glass and you will break.
elgallogrande · 34 points · Posted at 20:39:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No but a baby stroller almost crashed into it before he saved it, mind you the stroller turned out to be full of trash or something
TheNumberMuncher · 1 points · Posted at 23:23:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Strollerboy
Levitlame · 1 points · Posted at 23:23:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
CANNNNNNNNS
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 00:25:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My cans! My precious antique cans! Ahh look what you've done to em
SonOfZaknafein · 2 points · Posted at 01:02:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just saw the Back to the Future Nintendo game in my head when you said that.
DoctorDM · 2 points · Posted at 01:10:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, then he runs the risk of them turning it sideways for a moment, to shift their grip, and getting cut in half.
Zmo_1ndone · 3 points · Posted at 21:52:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
WHAT? i feel like that is a Tony Hawk Pro Skater reference
Max_TwoSteppen · 7 points · Posted at 23:21:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just general movie trope I believe.
Someone is running away from someone, skateboards around or under the glass narrowly missing it, men carrying it breathe a sigh of relief, the car/person/skateboarder chasing them goes right through.
ContainsTracesOfLies · 42 points · Posted at 22:12:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once saw two policemen replacing a huge light outside a police station. I thought to myself 'so that's how many it takes'.
KassellTheArgonian · 22 points · Posted at 22:33:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wait they didn't arrest the bulb for being broke and the area for being black?
ContainsTracesOfLies · 10 points · Posted at 22:45:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Apparently, the bulb was working perfectly when they first encountered it but then it 'fell down some stairs'.
jt004c · 14 points · Posted at 23:03:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife and I just witnessed this a few weeks ago in Portland. We stopped and watched because it was so comically stereotypical of a work scenario like this. Then, confusingly, they went back across to the same busy street to where they started, then they crossed again.
At this point we looked around and noticed the cameras filming them from atop various buildings.
dv4der · 5 points · Posted at 22:15:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
all you need to do is break so big glass windows... they will come back.
NicoLogoski · 4 points · Posted at 21:53:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shoulda run through it, like the movies!
Geid98 · 3 points · Posted at 22:24:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Stick with it, you’ll get to college again.
obtrae · 11 points · Posted at 21:43:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bet you saw right through them
strangrdangr · 6 points · Posted at 21:54:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That doesn't even make sense.
absurdlyinconvenient · 17 points · Posted at 21:58:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
haha, what a story Mark
_Caed_ · 0 points · Posted at 22:55:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Their motives were completely transparent
Mashes-Keyboard · 2 points · Posted at 22:32:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, what did it look like?
octafbr · 2 points · Posted at 22:58:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm sure they were just pretending
deadgloves · 2 points · Posted at 00:56:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I also... saw this when visiting a friend at a college many years ago. Are you me? Was this in Cleveland? Or is this just a product of drunk college students always breaking stuff.
fishsticks40 · 2 points · Posted at 01:03:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you take a picture?
cultured_banana_slug · 2 points · Posted at 01:13:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you sure they weren't just mimes? It was a college campus... maybe the theater arts kids were fucking with people again.
frothingnome · 2 points · Posted at 01:22:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Were they setting up a change blindness experiment?
RadBenMX · 2 points · Posted at 01:54:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It happened to me. I turned a corner in a neighborhood with a bunch of shops and nearly walked into two men carrying a big sheet window. I was like, "Woah, it DOES happen!"
realskidmarkmania · 2 points · Posted at 02:10:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean you took a good look because you couldn’t see your reflection, COULD YOU you VAMPIRE!
waitingtodiesoon · 2 points · Posted at 02:45:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Should have taken a pic
MrNature72 · 66 points · Posted at 21:30:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work for a wedding company, and last week, I was the guy carrying a giant pane of glass with another guy.
Across a street.
Downtown.
It was an experience.
jeremyfishes · 97 points · Posted at 21:21:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work in the glass industry and see this almost everyday to some extent.
Cmart8611 · 102 points · Posted at 21:23:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And yet you do nothing
jeremyfishes · 16 points · Posted at 21:25:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not allowed. Gotta have all the PPE!
SolarSailor46 · 9 points · Posted at 21:42:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Excuses excuses
DanBcReasons · 1 points · Posted at 23:28:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
ppe lel xd T
station_wagon · 18 points · Posted at 21:24:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How many car chases go through your warehouse?
jeremyfishes · 12 points · Posted at 21:27:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We have tricycles to get from one side to the other! So, do trike chases count?
Aanon89 · 10 points · Posted at 21:44:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I speak for everyone when I say, yes, yes we will count that.
Maker1357 · 40 points · Posted at 21:23:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Next you'll tell me fruit stands don't insure themselves against car crashes.
FlightJumper · 51 points · Posted at 21:19:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What reference am I missing here?
apalapan · 42 points · Posted at 21:25:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Sheet of Glass trope.
RemiusTheMage · 13 points · Posted at 22:57:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just spent 20 mins reading about tropes wow
apalapan · 14 points · Posted at 23:40:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Relevant xkcd
Relevant TV Tropes page
marpocky · 7 points · Posted at 00:20:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
20 minutes? You got off incredibly easy
squonkstock · 3 points · Posted at 00:23:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh, I wish there was a clip of it, but on the show Great News, there was once a character rushing through an office and encountered two guys carrying a pane of glass, so she went around it, cursing the obstacle. After she passes, the two guys go, "Okay, that was good practice for carrying a pane of glass" and it turns out there was no glass at all, it was a dry run. (Great show btw, very 30 Rock, please watch)
blooper2112 · 5 points · Posted at 23:18:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Man I thought Gravity Falls s1e2 was the first time the Sheet of Glass on two boats was used. Simpsons, of course, did it 10 years earlier.
SamWillsy · 46 points · Posted at 21:21:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just any slapstick comedy basically
SpafSpaf · 14 points · Posted at 20:51:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work at a hardware store that sold patio doors. Those fuckers are heavy.
Vinegaz · 9 points · Posted at 21:23:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's because the glass is so clean prior to installation
GraduatePigeon · 9 points · Posted at 21:26:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For some reason I love this example. I have literally never seen 2 guys walking across the street carrying a big pane of glass!
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 22:20:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Okay what's the cartoon where two guys carrying glass decide to carry it horizontal and then someone runs into it and gets cut in half? I can't remember but I know I've seen this....
andresqsa · 6 points · Posted at 23:21:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not what you're looking for, but it reminded me of this
becauseican95 · 4 points · Posted at 00:53:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Finally, my intense AD knowledge pays off. You're thinking of American Dad 8.12 The Wrestler. A teacher runs through it and a kid with no legs takes his bottom half and runs away. I couldn't find a link so you'll take this instead:
https://youtu.be/ISIZv8W9b_0?t=242
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:01:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
THANK YOU. I've watched most of American Dad, but I also watch quite a few cartoons so they all blurred together on this memory. I thought it might be American Dad after I ruled out most of my other options, but gave up on finding the episode when I couldn't find a link either.
averagejoereddit50 · 6 points · Posted at 21:37:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see what you did there. Your use of semantics is so transparent.
siriusly-sirius · 2 points · Posted at 21:42:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ohhhhh for God's sake you smooth bastard
Jellybeanellie · 5 points · Posted at 21:50:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once saw two guys carrying glass panes up a steep flight of stairs on my way to the dentist. Finished my appointment and as I'm walking down that same stairs, my dad suddenly shouted at me to cover my eyes.
My 5 year old self's morbid curiosity wasn't going listen and I glanced down. Blood and glass shards EVERYWHERE trailing down the stairs.
Turns out one of the guys had slipped and fell because of how steep it was. Of course the glass pane they were carrying shattered everywhere. The guy cut himself real bad on the shards and had to be picked up by an ambulance. Hopefully there were no lasting damages but I think of that incident every time I visited that dentist during my childhood.
DonVitoCornholione · 5 points · Posted at 02:47:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
God damn, as if dentist appointments weren't traumatic enough
_CTHULHU__ · 6 points · Posted at 22:23:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I carry big panes of glass every day for work lol. The best is carrying some of them in Boston and getting the exact look you’re talking about
juandh · 5 points · Posted at 00:57:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And so few pianos are being recklessly hoisted up a 40-story building.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 21:23:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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marpocky · 3 points · Posted at 00:21:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah for real I know it's depicted in comedies or whatever, but I see it as more of a "this is a plausible situation" than "this is something we all see dozens of times a day."
jjthejettrain · 4 points · Posted at 21:23:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, that's the problem.
BertramScudder · 9 points · Posted at 22:48:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Add that to the movie tropes of:
DeFex · 6 points · Posted at 23:24:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don’t forget any open space, mountain, desert, eagle, vulture, pigeon, seagull, etc having the sound of a red tailed hawk.
BertramScudder · 3 points · Posted at 23:32:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's the crow on The Simpsons!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 23:06:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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juandh · 5 points · Posted at 00:58:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One alcohol, please.
sockgorilla · 5 points · Posted at 01:17:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
After a hard day's work at the business factory.
Bossdwarf · 3 points · Posted at 21:22:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I SAW THIS ONCE! GRANTED IT WAS AT MY DAD'S BODY SHOP AFTER A WINDOW GOT BROKEN BUT I SAW IT! I also saw it inside a lot, but really, do windshields count?
Internettraplord1 · 3 points · Posted at 21:43:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When i was in highschool i dropped acid with a friend of mine and we tgought it would be a good idea to steal a large pane of glass from a renovated home. Im pretty sure thats the only time ive seen 2 people do that
AppleDrops · 3 points · Posted at 23:06:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
that's funny because I saw that today and commented to my dad that it is a movie comedy cliche (trope?).
On the other hand, its quite common for me because my dad's shop is next door to a window repair shop.
Born_of_Kepler · 3 points · Posted at 23:09:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know no one will believe me, but there's a glass manufacturer in the city I live in and I have to drive past it to work and will occasionally see two people moving a big pane of glass, but it's mostly multiple panes on a rack on the back of a truck.
marpocky · 2 points · Posted at 00:22:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
pffft, bullshit!
tiredhippo · 3 points · Posted at 23:35:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Garth: What do these guys do? Chicken-man: Well, their job is to walk back and forth with this big plate-glass window every couple of minutes.
A_Hobo_In_Training · 3 points · Posted at 00:53:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work as a mover. We carry large panes of glass more often than I expected
madcat63 · 2 points · Posted at 22:43:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You seem almost sad about that. Want a hug, big guy?
VinBadaBing · 2 points · Posted at 22:44:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to be one of those guys! It wasn't typically across the street (although that happened a few times). It was typically from the garage/driveway to the house. I did chuckle any time somebody walking by saw though.
butt-face-miscreant · 2 points · Posted at 22:56:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw 2 guys walking across the street carrying a big pane of glass... and accidentally hit something made of metal with it. The glass shattered. Felt so bad for these guys.
Vigilias · 2 points · Posted at 23:06:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In parking lots tho.
FireryDawn · 2 points · Posted at 23:08:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Iv actually done this!
Of course nothing bad happened. Damn cartoons lying to me
M12Domino · 2 points · Posted at 23:22:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've done that many times since I work for a glass company, The uncommon part is seeing it being carried through public walkways. That shit is usually pretty damn heavy if it needs 2 people to carry it, so you wanna get as close as possible to where it's gotta go before you manually lift it.
Jackmessier · 2 points · Posted at 23:25:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone who used to install plate glass, I never actually had anyone go through one while I was carrying it with someone
mikhelly · 2 points · Posted at 23:33:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We had a new large shower screen installed yesterday. I actually got to see the 2 guys walking with the glass!!
Dexter_Jettster · 2 points · Posted at 23:33:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've watched Wayne's World too many times apparently.
dragonship · 2 points · Posted at 23:34:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's 'cos you cant see the glass. duhhh.
im_thatoneguy · 2 points · Posted at 23:42:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There is a big glass shop by my office. They're always carrying them out to the truck. :D come on by everyone and take a look.
zenith1959 · 2 points · Posted at 23:53:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw that once, got a good laugh from them when I said "You guys know whats about to happen, don't you?"
Dhvagra · 2 points · Posted at 23:56:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did a week or so ago. Although that was about 3 meters and then they were inside the building. I was like "gheh that's like in a cartoon"
Aben_Zin · 2 points · Posted at 00:08:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw a couple of people repairing a window the other day carrying a pane of glass... I kept watching for a some kind of police chase but no luck.
victalac · 2 points · Posted at 00:16:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A CEO of a major company almost never commits murder. Watching Prime Time TV, it happens all the time.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:20:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I drive by a glass manufacturer everyday. They do all sorts of custom stuff, delivery and installation. I have seen more people walking with glass than i can count.
eljefino · 2 points · Posted at 00:48:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
nor an angry ethnic fruit-stand owner when you're driving briskly.
bclem · 2 points · Posted at 00:53:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've done it a couple of times
HandStolo · 2 points · Posted at 01:11:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or a team of dudes using a hand-made pulley to hoist a piano up the outside of a tall building.
Hate_Manifestation · 2 points · Posted at 01:43:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's probably because glaziers, like most tradespeople, tend to park on the side of the road that they're working on.
ClavicusNitrus · 2 points · Posted at 01:50:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I went on a study trip in Europe recently, never seen it before - but in three different cities I saw it.
LieutenantCheeze · 2 points · Posted at 01:58:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad does this every day. He’s a glazier
jaredpullet · 2 points · Posted at 02:04:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I stepped on a rake and hit myself in the face with the handle. I legit didn't understand what happened (it was dark) and did it again five seconds later. Wasn't even mad, was glorious
DeFex · 1 points · Posted at 02:57:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did not know that would actually work outside cartoons!
SubtleKarasu · 2 points · Posted at 02:36:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not seeing it is the problem, though...
ShitBoy_StinkerBomb · 2 points · Posted at 02:40:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
i saw 3 the other day
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:46:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That reminds me of that episode of Gumball
"Who carries a large pane of glass through a park?"
Unreasonable_Seagull · 2 points · Posted at 03:08:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I carried a pane of glass once. Didn't know to wear gloves. The guys at the glass place looked at me weird but said nothing. Didn't hurt until I saw the blood.
Flafnir · 2 points · Posted at 03:32:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see this almost every day, then again I work about 500ft away from a place that makes custom windows. Some of the engineering behind transporting giant panes of glass is pretty interesting.
analyticalchem · 2 points · Posted at 03:40:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was a glazier (glass guy) in a previous career. Carried plenty of huge sheets of glass and mirror, never crossed a street with one. Not even once.
flexthrustmore · 2 points · Posted at 05:47:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless you're in a motorbike chase, then you'll see one every time.
Hipyeti · 2 points · Posted at 07:47:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Me and my friends once spent an enjoyable afternoon crossing back and forth over a busy road pretending to hold a pane of glass.
Does that count?
Horace83 · 2 points · Posted at 13:46:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Saw 4 guys holding a glass panel on the back of a pickup in a round circle during rush hour, gotta love greece.
snailisland · 2 points · Posted at 16:24:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work next to a window factory, and I haven’t seen it happen yet.
captainshiggles · 2 points · Posted at 14:54:20 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about 2 guys stacking crates if watermelons or chickens?
The_DemoNathan · 2 points · Posted at 06:48:45 on March 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Scrolling through some saved stuff rn and noticed it- my dad and I were walking around town and noticed two guys carrying a large mirror across the street, I pointed it out to him and we had a nice chuckle. Anyways, I can now confirm that although rare it does happen.
murder00redrum · 2 points · Posted at 21:21:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see this every day.
Cmart8611 · 14 points · Posted at 21:23:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Brag about it
murder00redrum · 4 points · Posted at 21:24:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not bragging, it's part of my job. Glass is heavy, especially sealed units.
jeremyfishes · 4 points · Posted at 21:28:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Those laminated units are no joke. We make triple pane laminated sometimes.
murder00redrum · 3 points · Posted at 22:27:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This person gets it!
jeremyfishes · 6 points · Posted at 22:52:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Get in loser, we're going glazing.
TaylorS1986 · 1 points · Posted at 21:30:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who actually thinks this is common? It's just an overused comedy trope.
mods-or-rockers · 1 points · Posted at 21:30:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What's Up, Doc?
Keielk9734 · 1 points · Posted at 21:37:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Glassworker here... I did that yesterday!
reliablenath · 1 points · Posted at 21:42:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw this just today and couldn't help but smile. They went into a barber's to deliver it
atruefuckwit · 1 points · Posted at 21:50:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
its happened to me. only once, after many many years of working as a cabbie in manhattan
SpaceCowboy58 · 1 points · Posted at 21:50:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or even pretending to carry one in a mime-like fashion. I'm not even sure which is more rare.
Whaleson0099 · 1 points · Posted at 22:09:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone who's job it is to carry around big panes of glass, it surprises me how few people have seen it and how interested people become. I've had groups of people watching as I installed glass. It's weird.
Trafalgarlaw92 · 1 points · Posted at 22:09:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I carried a pane of glass like this today.
Mig3tsu · 1 points · Posted at 22:11:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once saw two guys carrying an big window glass when i was at driving school. Even my driving teacher said jokingly: "Drive through that glass like in the movies hehheh"
Art_Vandelay_7 · 11900 points · Posted at 15:01:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dropping out of college and becoming a millionaire/billionaire.
[deleted] · 8723 points · Posted at 19:25:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most of those people drop out of Harvard, MIT, Oxford & Cambridge et al
They don’t drop out of Community College...
SurvivorsBias
WaldenFont · 4528 points · Posted at 22:11:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And they don't drop out because they couldn't hack it, they drop out because it's a waste of tine for them.
Edit: fork it, it stays.
aPurpleLiger · 629 points · Posted at 23:06:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And I'd be willing to bet most of them already had their plans successfully in motion when they dropped out, rather than dropping out without a concrete game plan
[deleted] · 415 points · Posted at 01:13:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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kisarax · 4 points · Posted at 18:45:18 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
My grandpa's son (grandpa by marriage) went to UT with Michael Dell in some of his classes and just kinda quit after Dell went big. lol
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 20:13:06 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
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kisarax · 3 points · Posted at 12:20:48 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
he did for a minute, but he dumb and messed that up
RedrumRunner · 3 points · Posted at 15:07:04 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
He was building computers for his fellow college students, wasn't he?
DancinginAshes · 3 points · Posted at 17:00:25 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
He was also selling them to local computer stores, and advertising them in regional publications.
Dedj_McDedjson · 40 points · Posted at 00:31:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And pretty much all of them went college at a time when that was still unusual, or belonged to a family for whom it was not unusual.
EsQuiteMexican · 41 points · Posted at 02:39:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most of them also started out rich af.
DaughterEarth · 212 points · Posted at 23:29:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldn't even say waste of time. They likely just got a great opportunity before they were done, and that made it a waste of time or maybe a liability.
I got my job offer before I was done school, for example. Thankfully they were fine with waiting for me though because I do feel more secure having that piece of paper.
middleagenotdead · 1 points · Posted at 15:36:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same for my son. He went to college for one year. Dropped out when he got an offer as a contract worker for the State as a computer programmer. A little over three years later he is with a start up and sitting on over a million in stock options, plus making 70K+. It can happen.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:44:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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middleagenotdead · 3 points · Posted at 23:16:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
His mom and I were of no help to him in a direct sense. I can barely operate windows, she's not much better. He learned coding starting in Jr High, mostly on his own. It's what interested him. He would stay up all night talking online with programmers and others interested in it.
What we did do right IMO is to challenge him to follow his dreams. Most people would freak if their 14 yr old was up at 2:00 working on little projects. We let him do his thing. And from the day he was born, no baby talk, no one word explanations or "because we said so" answers. If he asked a question we broke it down for him in detail. Sometimes way beyond what even he wanted. Seemed to work. His brother just got accepted to Pharmacy school. So we must have done something right.
sandscript · 166 points · Posted at 23:13:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're in school to learn business, and you learn enough in two semesters to start your business, then it takes off really well, then yeah you should drop out and see to that.
fluo74 · 12 points · Posted at 00:31:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
also business endeavors. if it fails, they can always go back
o0i81u8120o · 32 points · Posted at 23:51:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah, they just don't fork up like anyone! tine is precious.
apple_sandwiches · 10 points · Posted at 00:13:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
you
Master_GaryQ · 8 points · Posted at 02:12:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Upvote fork your edit
CreativeCorinne · 4 points · Posted at 00:35:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
GOTTA SAVE THAT TINE!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 04:36:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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WaldenFont · 10 points · Posted at 04:40:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You might want to set the bar a bit higher.
dnmSeaDragon · 2 points · Posted at 04:44:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Son of a bench
DeciTheSpy · 1 points · Posted at 15:00:56 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not for the rest of you?
meta4_ · 1 points · Posted at 02:29:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your edit is glorious
BearcatJosh · 1 points · Posted at 03:08:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Upvote for the edit. Go fork yourself.
xoites · 0 points · Posted at 02:28:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Love your edit. :)
jonnydem · -10 points · Posted at 00:42:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's a waste of most people's time and money.
Art_Vandelay_7 · 164 points · Posted at 19:40:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure, narrow it down to just Harvard, I'm certain it still applies.
For every Bill Gates there are 100 other guys you dont hear about that didn't make it.
TyroneLeinster · 81 points · Posted at 20:15:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then there are the guys who get by pretending to be an architect
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:16:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or marine biologist :)
1LuckFogic · 6 points · Posted at 22:56:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well this is a familiar username
ragingasian15 · 30 points · Posted at 21:36:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm sure you're underestimating that number...
Art_Vandelay_7 · 13 points · Posted at 21:38:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am.
[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 22:46:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
100 is a bit of an understatement
Guyrannosaurus_Tex · 13 points · Posted at 23:39:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
100? More like 10,000,000
tempchar1 · 11 points · Posted at 00:45:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He is specifically talking about Harvard dropouts, not every dropout in the world.
ThePhoneBook · 17 points · Posted at 23:56:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For every Bill Gates there is everyone on the planet not doing as well as him after dropping out. We are massively biased as a culture toward looking at what the most successful and almost always advantaged people do, instead of looking at how the average person manages well.
nightwing2000 · 2 points · Posted at 05:29:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But some of those weren't going into business or tech. they dropped out because they were going to be the next big actor at $20M per picture.
TheNumberMuncher · 4 points · Posted at 23:24:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’d say that’s a somewhat conservative estimate.
someth1ng_au · 1 points · Posted at 00:24:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm gonna say significantly north of 100...
902015h4 · 1 points · Posted at 10:47:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like me! Hi.
[deleted] · 32 points · Posted at 23:07:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Survivors bias and economically speaking, the idea they had was so valuable that they needed to enter the market or lose to potential competition with that idea. the opportunity cost of staying in college and potentially losing to someone with the same idea was too great.
So for the ones that want to drop out, do you have something that outweighs college?
donjulioanejo · 57 points · Posted at 22:51:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not just that, but they were also on their way to becoming billionaires when they chose to drop out of college, and pretty much all were in tech.
If Facebook completely failed in 2006 and Zuck had to shut it down, he'd still be a lot more valuable on the labour market than someone with a completed degree, even from Harvard, if only due to his experience running a moderately successful startup.
Quite a few people in tech are entirely self-taught, and he would have learned way more running FB than he would have in university.
IrrelevantLeprechaun · 23 points · Posted at 00:27:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. “Bill gates dropped out and he’s the richest man in the world!”
He’s literally one man out of the entire population who that worked for. Don’t use it as a point of reference.
nightwing2000 · 13 points · Posted at 05:32:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plus, IIRC, Gates dropped out after writing BASIC in his spare time while at college.
The absolutely astounding thing was... He wrote it by hand from the assembler manuals for an 8080 because he didn't have a computer to work on. Then hand-punched a paper tape with the program (including boot loader) on it. They took it to a computer show and got someone to load the tape, and it worked first time!
That feat alone is worth 60 billion dollars.
apawst8 · -5 points · Posted at 02:49:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One man? Four of the ten richest people in the world dropped out of college (Gates, Zucks, and the Google founders).
gqgk · 20 points · Posted at 03:41:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Google founders dropped out of their PhD program. They had finished their undergrad already.
IrrelevantLeprechaun · 13 points · Posted at 02:54:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Point still stands. Don’t use 4 people in 8Billion as reference points
WeAreAllApes · 16 points · Posted at 02:27:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Carlos Slim, and Warren Buffet have degrees.
The founders of Google have undergraduate degrees and dropped out of a PhD program, and Mark Zuckerberg dropped out as an undergrad, both in events that clearly demonstrate a pattern. If there is correlation between dropping out and becoming a millionaire/billionaire it is mostly because people found opportunities that were a more valuable use of their time than finishing their degree program, and not because college was holding them back, per se.
froggie-style-meme · 6 points · Posted at 00:48:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They had ideas and knew how to execute them. In the case of Zuckerberg, he was tried by the school administration for overloading their network (because of a joke hot or not site he made).
umichs · 4 points · Posted at 02:38:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plus a good number like Bill Gates came from wealthy families so they could afford to spend a few years chasing their dreams and could even go back to college if things didnt work out.
Swizzle44 · 6 points · Posted at 23:26:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember in a show, a character responded to a statement like this by saying, because they got into Harvard!
lamp4321 · 3 points · Posted at 03:27:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The reason you see these successful people dropping out of top schools because someone who's at these top schools already inherently has a much larger chance of being successful in life than someone in community college because they put in the work to get where they are. Not necessarily because the education is just SO much better that it can't even compare with any other non-elite university
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 08:27:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And they drop out now because they failed... But because going to a place like Harvard was holding them back... Think about that for a second. For 99.99% of people, going to Harvard would be a dream and open doors. For these people, it was holding them back.
joe_average1 · 2 points · Posted at 16:06:20 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah and a lot have parents with connections. Imagine where Bill Gates would be if his mom hadn't been able to introduce him to wealthy people as my son bill who owns a computer company.
Art_Vandelay_7 · 5 points · Posted at 19:40:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure, narrow it down to just Harvard, I'm certain it still applies.
For every Bill Gates there are 100 other guys you dont hear about that didn't make it.
i_am_a_stoner · 1 points · Posted at 01:47:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think Steve Jobs dropped out of Reed college. I think he became a hippie afterwards.
Bendable-Fabrics · 1 points · Posted at 03:36:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The fact that Daddy owned most of Connecticut may have helped a little.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 13:53:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They also dropped out with a plan. Bill Gates founded Microsoft
iKarmaLoL · 1 points · Posted at 17:39:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also they drop out because they are wasting their time going to MIT or Harvard rather than creating their multi-billion dollar corporations
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:05:22 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you are dropping out of an ivy league school then almost certainly you have a good reason for doing it. Like I don't think Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg or Lil Pump would have dropped out of harvard for nothing.
IIndAmendmentJesus · 1 points · Posted at 16:14:57 on July 13, 2018 · (Permalink)
they don't make tools like they use too... fuck that give me my impact gun! i don't want to use your grandpas corded drill that weighs 30 pounds. Tools that are old and look brand new are tools that were never used for a reason.
sethboy66 · 1 points · Posted at 01:25:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm most likely wrong, but I think "et allum" refers specifically to people. As in "and other people." and can't really be used for colleges.
ISOCRACY · -7 points · Posted at 23:27:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dropped out of a local college and I am 1/2 way to a million. It will happen soon enough.
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 02:27:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 03:37:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Usually if you get into a top school and can’t afford it, they’ll pay most of your tuition.
[deleted] · -7 points · Posted at 04:01:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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ustainbolt · 7 points · Posted at 04:06:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/iamverysmart
squeel · 2 points · Posted at 17:21:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then you're not that smart. If the only thing standing between you and a free ride to MIT is a "stupid test" and the fact that you don't like to leave your house, you're dumb.
OHyeaaah97 · 1 points · Posted at 18:01:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are no colleges in my town or even an hour from my town, and I ain't gonna drive an hour everyday. So, I cant go to college.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:01:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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squeel · 2 points · Posted at 22:45:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That does explain it, actually. You're probably 12 years old and don't yet understand the value of education. Otherwise you're just one of those adults that tells people they're ~too smart for college~ but secretly wish they had a degree.
OHyeaaah97 · 1 points · Posted at 01:45:13 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know how important knowledge is and I do NOT tell people im too smart for college, I can't do homework and refuse to be at the same level learning speed as others, I'm too stubborn for college. I am a youtube learning pro.
squeel · 2 points · Posted at 01:48:31 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, so you have a learning disability, then. That's okay too. You should've just led with that.
OHyeaaah97 · 0 points · Posted at 01:39:41 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
"probably"
OHyeaaah97 · 0 points · Posted at 01:40:09 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ever here of owning a business? College is for people who cant use YouTube!
OHyeaaah97 · 0 points · Posted at 18:00:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha keep hating
nightwing2000 · 2 points · Posted at 05:36:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like really smart. A stable genius.
white_rabbit_object · 162 points · Posted at 20:23:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the "college dropout" line is pushed to give an illusion of humble origins which makes the founder more likable. People wouldn't romanticize tech billionaires as much if they knew that virtually all of them were rich kids who could afford to take time away from their Ivy League educations to work on their side projects.
[deleted] · 53 points · Posted at 22:49:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. It's extremely rare for a ~20 year old, to basically be a computer science genius and have enough money to start a company. There's a reason a lot of billionaires became rich when they were old.
Nafemp · 50 points · Posted at 22:54:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not to mention that bill gates came into the market when it was still relatively new and with little competition. Getting into the pc business now no matter how much money you throw into it or how smart you are would be a much much harder thing to do.
unidan_was_right · 13 points · Posted at 02:35:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And his mother worked at IBM and got him is big break.
SamSibbens · 9 points · Posted at 01:00:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not all companies need money to be started. If you've got time, energy and access to basic stuff (the internet) you've got many options to get started, but are you motivated enough to do it? (Money isn't as motivating as people think)
Bigfrostynugs · 7 points · Posted at 13:55:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The time is the big factor there. How many people can afford to stop going to school or working for enough time to establish a successful business? Motivation or not, that's a huge obstacle that most people simply don't have the personal money or financial support for elsewhere.
SamSibbens · 2 points · Posted at 14:34:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The less time you have the longer it's gonna take (if you work 3 hours every night, it's doable but it takes obviously much longer). One viable strategy is to rent just a room and work full time or part time, have a boring social life (can't go out every night) and focus on what you want to do.
Also, there's the social cost. Do we want others to see us as a dropout?
There are many factors I definitely agree there with you.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:38:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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SamSibbens · 2 points · Posted at 22:14:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It sounds like you have something interesting and more specific to say. Would you elaborate?
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 22:17:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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SamSibbens · 2 points · Posted at 00:38:39 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I agree. If you go to college + work to pay for it you don't have much time left. What I had in mind was working + working on your side project.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:44:44 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
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SamSibbens · 1 points · Posted at 01:00:30 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's what I'm trying to do but I have a weird anxiety issue which makes it hard to keep a job. I'm doing okay right now and hoping for the best.
buckus69 · 59 points · Posted at 20:51:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whenever Billy Gates' side business flames out, he can always go back to Harvard.
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 22:19:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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buckus69 · 8 points · Posted at 22:33:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not an English teacher, but I'm pretty sure that when an noun ends with an 'S', you place a single apostrophe after it to indicate possessive form.
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 02:14:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Although I think that on reddit, specifically, people severely underestimate the amount of self-made billionaires in America.
Source
It is a statistic that we should be proud of.
white_rabbit_object · 7 points · Posted at 02:50:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm honestly surprised it's that low. Inherited fortunes generally don't last very long, partly because heirs aren't as careful with their money and partly because it gets split too many times as you move down the generations.
I don't mean to imply with my original post that billionaires had it handed to them - the truth is completely the opposite. Guys like Gates are legitimate geniuses and fanatically hard workers. I read about an executive at Microsoft who tried to match Gates's punishing schedule once, and after putting in over 80 hours in 4 days, had to take time off due to exhaustion.
But I do think that the college drop-out narrative is deliberately embraced for personal branding purposes. Same reason Gates dresses like he's middle-class and goes by "Bill", rather than William Henry Gates III, son of a law firm founder and grandson of a bank president, which he is. Wealth creation on that scale typically takes several generations. People who expect to drop out and get rich because they have a good idea are setting themselves up for massive disappointment.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 05:42:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it is far less about the inability of family dynasties to maintain their wealth and much more about our system of free enterprise that cultivates even more billionaires.
TyroneLeinster · 36 points · Posted at 20:18:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think generally college does little to increase your chances of becoming a billionaire, but it goes a long way in becoming a millionaire. It’s basically a way of hedging your bet, except you’re not really sacrificing your billionaire odds. I doubt there are many billionaires who became that BECAUSE they dropped out of college.
buckus69 · 17 points · Posted at 20:53:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly, there's so few billionaires that I think it would be hard to find any consistent causalities among them. Many were born into it, many made it from scratch. Lots of them took a long time to become billionaires.
AStrangeBrew · 7 points · Posted at 01:53:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would say 80% of becoming a billionaire is luck. Bill Gates fell into many opportunities, just read up on his early childhood.
For-The-Swarm · 1 points · Posted at 19:44:45 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Got any good starting points aside from Wikipedia? Thanks! (I have an audible subscription if it is a book)
AStrangeBrew · 1 points · Posted at 20:37:30 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe Malcolm Gladwell wrote about him in his book Outliers during a chapter about success.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 23:25:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Every stat I've ever seen shows that college grads earn more than high school grads, but I wonder if going really has that much impact on your financial outcome in comparison to where you came from.
Just from personal observation, I see that most people end up about where their parents were. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. When I went to school I wanted to be successful and make a decent amount of money so I went into business (this was back in the day where that was considered a sure-fire degree).
The reality of that degree was that people were often successful in it because those who went into business often had family members who were in businesses. It wasn't necessarily that they were going to work for their parent's business (though I saw a fair amount of that), it was that they were raised around the skills that allow someone to be successful in those fields.
Now, although I had the degree, I really had no knowledge of the business world because I was never exposed to it despite the degree. My wife on the other hand had a parent who was fairly successful in his own right in the business world and she has those skills.
Obviously there are many exceptions, but it often seems to me that the environment that you were raised in has so much more impact than the decisions you actually make.
TyroneLeinster · 10 points · Posted at 01:44:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you're right to an extent, but there is still significant portion of people in college who came from very little, and are now elevated into a much higher bracket of hireability and mobility. Those are the people who, on average, probably gain the most from going to college. If you look at only "rich kids," then that education probably does decrease in relative importance.
cesar-perez · 1 points · Posted at 01:08:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What if those who're bound to go to university, are more likely to make more money in the long run anyway?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:25:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's basically what I'm saying.
cubemonkey87 · 1 points · Posted at 02:17:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well said. Never thought of it that way. But it makes total sense.
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 23:13:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What people don't seem to understand is that the people who do that are people who dropped out because of their intense drive and vision that college was just getting in the way of. They weren't "dropouts" in the way most think of it.
rocky_whoof · 9 points · Posted at 23:18:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's also less like dropping out and more like "I was in the middle of my thesis work when I got over consumed with this business idea that took off and just never finished". (eg Gates, Brin, Page)
PKCrash · 15 points · Posted at 21:56:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm- I know someone that went down this path. Granted, it took some time for them to get there, but I think a portion of the chase stemmed from lacking motivation and work ethic coupled with tremendous aspirations. They told me I was wasting my time on a degree/internships while they were jobless dropout. Eventually, this person was convinced an app idea (one which already existed with fierce competition) would guarantee a way for them to garner millions . It got to the point where they started reaching out to old friends, suggesting they leave stable work to come get rich on this idea... as you can imagine, all that fizzled out pretty fast when nobody was on board.
Seanachaidh · 45 points · Posted at 16:43:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same thing can be said about finishing college tbh.
Art_Vandelay_7 · 62 points · Posted at 17:54:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't have the data to back it up but I would bet that the amount of people who finished college and became millionaires is greater than the amount of college drop outs who became millionaires.
Self made billionaires? maybe 50/50, because there are so few.
bluechris11 · 9 points · Posted at 02:00:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, the most likely way you'll become a millionaire is by being a business owner. You're less likely to become a millionaire by being a doctor, lawyer, etc. IIRC, business owners make up ~47% of millionaires. That means lawyers, doctors, actors, athletes, etc. all share the other ~53% figure.
Anecdotally, there are more than a couple of millionaires (all entrepreneurs) in my family and network. I know some of them didn't go to college. One even dropped out of high school. One that did go to college says he doesn't think it was necessary and has never felt like his degree contributed to his success. Another went to college simply because he had a full ride but also subscribes to the idea that it hasn't contributed to his success and he would be in a similar position without it.
Now, I'm sure you're right, but I think there may not be as much of a disparity as you'd expect. Also, I'd be interested in seeing how many millionaires think they would be in a different situation without college since with a lot of the business owners I know, they have a common sentiment.
Edit: I looked at a Business Insider list of the richest people in each state and looked each up individually. I only read what showed up on the first page of Google searches unless there wasn't clear enough info but here's what I got. (I didn't count inherited wealth) Here's a very crude list of my very basic findings. (Some have since deceased, list is from 2015). Also, I did a search for How Many Billionaires are College Dropouts and the first result is an Inc. article stating that 32% or just under 1/3 of all billionaires are college dropouts.
Anyway, here's my own list in awful formatting because I don't know how to use formatting - it shows up in a column order when I type it but changes when I hit post so.... On this list, it comes out to just under 1/4 of them being dropouts or not going to college at all. 23% (not including heirs/inheritance)
Warren Buffet - College David Koch - College David Nutt - College Leon Gorman - College Robert Gore - College Jay Shidler- College T. Denny Sanford - College Robert Gillam - college Jon Ledecky - College John Middleton - College Jonathan Milton Nelson - College Rob Stiller - College Jim C Justice II- College Thomas Benson - College Dennis Albaugh - College Frank VanderSloot - College Gary Tharaldson - College Kenneth C Griffin - College Gayle Cook - College Leslie Werner - College Bruce T Halle - College Thomas Frist - College David Tepper - College John Menard - College Ted Lerner - College James Goodnight - College Raymond Dalio - College Charles Ergen - College Philip Knight - College Michael Bloomberg - College
Lawrence Ellison - Dropout Sheldon Adelson - Dropout Bill Gates - Dropout Michael Dell - Dropout - Univ of Texas Harold Hamm - No College John C Taylor - (deceased) Dropout - Westminster and Washington Univ. Dennis Washington - No College Brad Kelley - Dropout - Western Kentucky Univ. Mack C. Chase - No College
Marguerite Harbert - Inherited N/A Whitney Macmillan - Inherited N/A Anita Zucker - Inherited N/A Micky Arison - Inherited N/A Kenneth Dart - Inherited N/A Abigail Johnson - Inherited N/A Anne Cox Chambers - Inherited N/A Richard Cohen - inherited N/A Jon M. Hunstman - Inherited N/A Forrest Mars Jr. - Inherited N/A Christy Walton - Inherited N/A
agave_wheat · 2 points · Posted at 02:23:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The plural of anecdote is not data.
shiftty · -1 points · Posted at 04:02:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/iamverysmart
bluechris11 · 6 points · Posted at 04:18:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How is this r/iamverysmart? lol It's factual that business owners are more likely to become millionaires than any other profession.
I preceded my own personal observations with "anecdotally" to show that it's not data-driven and isn't sourced information. I don't think I came off as having a superiority complex or pseudo-intellectual complex. Just shared my own personal experience and thoughts.
shiftty · -1 points · Posted at 04:41:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is a "business owner" in your opinion?
bluechris11 · 2 points · Posted at 04:49:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Anyone that founded, is CEO of, or owns a business.
SamSibbens · -1 points · Posted at 01:05:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not so sure, when investing, growth is esponential. The sooner you start investing your time in making as much money as possible, well at the end of your life you'll have spent more time on it (increasing your chances of succeeding before you die)
You're right that it'd be interesting to see statistics. As for billionaires, there are so few that someone doing a bit of research could figure out the stats.
Art_Vandelay_7 · 1 points · Posted at 10:36:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But you are assuming that all college drop outs will start making decent enough money to invest in the first place.
SamSibbens · 1 points · Posted at 14:14:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Close but that isn't my assumption. My assumption is that someone planning to become rish will see the time sink that is to go to college and might opt out because of it (this excludes the huge debt people get themselves into to go to college, but there are colleges that don't get you into huge debt so I'm ignoring this)
Another way to put it; most who graduate will be successful (decent income, decent place to live in, decent car), most dropouts won't be very successful/will be the least successful, and the most successful people will be drop outs.
This is my hypothesis. Most drop outs don't end out making decent money, but most drop outs don't drop out with the purpose of becoming rich, so I expect there'd be a huge difference between the two.
I'm not sure why I got downvoted however since it's just a hypothesis, I'm just sharing thoughts. I wouldn't bet my life on what I said.
EDIT: also like I said, not all businesses need money (or a lot of it) to get started in.
Art_Vandelay_7 · 2 points · Posted at 14:56:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's a good hypothesis, but I disagree of the most millionaires being drop outs part. Again, this is all my especulation without data to back it up.
Not sure why you go downvoted either.
SamSibbens · 1 points · Posted at 15:09:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same on my side lol
Well it was a fun conversation to have with you
Art_Vandelay_7 · 1 points · Posted at 15:55:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Likewise, mate.
GoEagles247 · 14 points · Posted at 20:58:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think many people go to college to become millionaires though. I just want a job in the field I like lol
PuddinTater69 · 12 points · Posted at 20:18:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, on average, college graduates make over 1 million dollars more than those who don't graduate.
[deleted] · -9 points · Posted at 23:42:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A million dollars ain’t shit. 10 million or gtfo.
But seriously part of my job is spending money. When you drop a million bucks in 4 weeks it makes you see money differently.
SamSibbens · 1 points · Posted at 01:03:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People are downvoting you but you're right. If you've got 1 million and use 50 thousand a years, in 20 years you need to get a job. Unless you're 60 years old 1 million isn't enough.
gqgk · 2 points · Posted at 03:47:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's getting down voted because he didn't read. It wasn't college graduates earn $1mil on average, it's that they make $1mil MORE than those who didn't go to college on average. So imagine if at retirement you had an extra million laying around on top of what you already had. That's different than ONLY having $1 mil.
cesar-perez · -1 points · Posted at 01:09:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What if those who're bound to go to university, are more likely to make more money in the long run anyway? Degree or not.
RetroSpock · 13 points · Posted at 16:25:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The illuminati decide who they want to be the next “elite” when they need to divert you attention.
Khal_chogo · 1 points · Posted at 06:45:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
good, It's a distraction from the sna- jew of course
PM_ME_WITH_A_SMILE · 3 points · Posted at 22:58:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, but you're an importer/exporter.
beniferlopez · 4 points · Posted at 23:38:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
People think this is common?
risingrah · 8 points · Posted at 00:01:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've been around people where the message seems to be:
All these
smartpeoplegot into thendropped out ofa really goodcollege and became rich with theirexceptionaltalent or skillI don't need (to be smart enough to go to) college to be rich as long as I have some kind of skill or talent
I don't need college
What these people ignore is a lot of the natural talent and/or all the super hard work they'd have to do. I wouldn't say this mindset is terribly common, but I wouldn't it call it uncommon either.
gqgk · 3 points · Posted at 03:52:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whenever people find out I'm a developer the first thing I hear is, "listen to my startup idea; it's going to be worth billions. I'll give you 5% of the company to make it for me."
Inevitably the convo and thought process goes like this:
Everyone thinks they're the next Bill/Zuckerberg but haven't thought more than 1 step ahead.
doublehyphen · 2 points · Posted at 10:18:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I am so tired of people approaching me to offer 5% of their startup. I own 50% of my own company so their startup idea needs to be become worth on average 10 times mine.
mostlygray · 4 points · Posted at 04:17:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My mom's cousin (referred to as my uncle, family rules, etc.) dropped out of high-school, started working as a short order cook, saved money, bought the restaurant, leveraged capital, bought more restaurants, bought a ton of cheap useless land outside of Fargo, started a construction company, built half of Fargo on the cheap useless land during it's boom phase, died a millionaire.
His brother started a typewriter repair business in 1994. C'est la vie. It did as well as you'd expect.
It happens.
SmoothJazz98 · 7 points · Posted at 19:43:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Serious comment, people think this is common? Most people think that? Don’t most people understand becoming a millionaire in any fashion is rare?
ViolaNguyen · 38 points · Posted at 20:33:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A million dollars ain't what it used to be.
Put 10% to 15% of your salary into a retirement fund every year and you'll easily hit millionaire status before you retire even if you have a very mediocre career.
AStrangeBrew · 1 points · Posted at 01:55:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm definitely gonna take this advice. This is what my dad has always told me and it's how he retired at 50.
circlingldn · 6 points · Posted at 02:29:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
alternatively buy real estate and overfill it with illegals getting twice the rental income a month
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:28:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
as if illegals have the money to pay rent. House across the street guy did just what you wrote....2 rooms with 12 people and a limited stay time(unless they paid in advance and extended the stay), and everytime I'd see the poor guy he'd be fighting the tenants, asking them to pay up or GTFO. He had to beg and belittle. I'd rather not do that
circlingldn · 0 points · Posted at 04:21:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
look at student visa illegals
SmoothJazz98 · 1 points · Posted at 18:56:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fine and well, and what you say is undoubtedly true. But with a average net worth of approximately $200k for those in their sixties....there ain’t no way having $1 million or more is somehow common.
AStrangeBrew · 2 points · Posted at 01:57:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Many people use Zuckerberg as an example to justify dropping out with confidence.
joemcgrvy · 5 points · Posted at 00:35:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I will have you know sir, I dropped out of college and became a very moderate thousandair. So have a good day.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 03:04:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In those cases, the vast majority of the time it's because they were already running rapidly growing businesses and a degree was already a waste of time at that point. Also, a lot of them had wealthy parents and a privileged upbringing.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 22:57:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just think about how many Harvard drop-outs you actually hear about as success stories. It's not very many. Then think about how the vast, vast majority of people aren't even smart enough to get into Harvard, let alone then feel smart enough to leave.
Drop out because your degree is in a field that won't exist in five years, don't drop out because you have the next "Big Idea"
HierEncore · 5 points · Posted at 23:34:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dropped out of college 10 years ago and... I'm broke as fk. Can't even afford dental work :(
JFKFC50 · 2 points · Posted at 23:06:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also finishing college and landing a job right away
buckmonaco · 7 points · Posted at 00:02:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean getting your foot in the door sucks but if you go after attainable positions you will likely get a reply at least. If you are looking for a job desperately and you haven't gotten an interview after a month, you are the common denominator. I think many set their expectations too high and complain about the job market when they just aren't suited for a particular position/salary. A college degree is great but people want stand out candidates and experience. It's a tired saying but seriously network while you are in college.
iwaskrazyman · 2 points · Posted at 23:12:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We can’t all be architects
ISOCRACY · 2 points · Posted at 23:26:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not a billionaire, but a millionaire likely isn't very rare.
SwooogCSGO · 2 points · Posted at 00:05:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
;)
jedi-son · 2 points · Posted at 02:12:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's common for billionaires to be dropouts but not for dropouts to be billionaires
FurockBeast · 4 points · Posted at 00:29:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Having a degree is better than no degree. The only time no degree is better is if the better use of your time involves selling your creation. Or atleast going places to make money off of your creation.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:34:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Becoming a millionaire or billionaire is just rare by itself. Plenty of them are drop outs.
jaxiecat · 1 points · Posted at 22:54:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
coughcoughLilPumpcoughcough
NerdENerd · 1 points · Posted at 00:42:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dropping out of college andbecoming a millionaire/billionaire.FTFY.
GreatBayTemple · 1 points · Posted at 02:40:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have one friend that did that. Literally one. You have to have a vision, determination, and most of all luck. You have to be shit deep in luck.
civicSwag · 1 points · Posted at 04:03:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My father in law never mind to college and is a multimillionaire. He started a mortgage company. I really admire him and have no idea how he did it. It’s so much harder than you’d imagine.
LevyMevy · 1 points · Posted at 04:16:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
truth
inzane86 · 1 points · Posted at 04:52:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about high school?
jacoobz · 1 points · Posted at 05:21:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That happened to me...but not for most reasons.
It's not as great as it seems.
nightwing2000 · 1 points · Posted at 05:28:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
that works if you're willing to be a beach bum waiting until your rich parents / relatives die.
OnAHellevator · 1 points · Posted at 16:06:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thought most people realized that this was rare
HarrysonTubman · 1 points · Posted at 20:47:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, if you look at the list of the x number of wealthiest people, the overwhelming majority not only graduated college, but when to top schools like Harvard and Yale, and many of them have graduate degrees. I'd be willing to bet most of them had some type of honors there, too.
summertimeguy21 · 1 points · Posted at 01:40:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did this, HS drop out. It takes serious grit.
squeel · 1 points · Posted at 22:53:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What do you do?
Lanfranc_di_Cambria · 0 points · Posted at 04:18:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A professor once told me that students who do well in college, but leave before graduating, do better than college graduates.
He found this very disheartening.
Doyouinthebutt · -1 points · Posted at 01:26:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I didn't go to college for the reason that i found it ludacris to put myself into debt tens of thousands if not hundreds. I hated school growing up period. But i have a drive and ambition much greater than my resume so I've been banking on that and its working out lol
LegendofSki · 1 points · Posted at 05:32:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What do you do? (Not meant dishearteningly, just genuinely curious)
Doyouinthebutt · 2 points · Posted at 10:34:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a cdl and drive trucks but if things work out I'll be doing something else in a couple months. Im burnt out from driving.
squeel · 1 points · Posted at 22:55:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you making a lot more than other truck drivers?
Doyouinthebutt · 1 points · Posted at 23:01:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im in the upper tier of pay for truck drivers for sure. I'm just burnt out. The cab has turned into a prison cell for me.
squeel · 1 points · Posted at 01:45:52 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's awesome, good for you! I know even average truck drivers already make good money.
And I get that, sometimes I sit in my car for too long and that makes my ass hurt. A 4 hour drive to LA makes my body ache, can't imagine sitting and driving all day!
Doyouinthebutt · 1 points · Posted at 15:17:35 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hopefully I'll be out of a truck soon. I dont drive all day I'm in and out of the cab. I want to get into either management or b2b sales. My body is tired.
_PraX_ · 0 points · Posted at 18:34:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wonder why
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 00:22:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are so many people in the world that the success stories are a statistical impossibility
HODLer_of_all · 0 points · Posted at 00:41:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The key is never going to college in the first place.
sadbabe420 · 2132 points · Posted at 14:45:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Red hair. It only occurs in about 2% of the population
LegitGingerDude · 385 points · Posted at 17:14:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hello ladies, ever been with a man covered in burns he got from a cloudy day?
steph_curry_official · 35 points · Posted at 19:26:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is the one thing I don't like about having red hair, fucking pale skin. My arms and legs, and face that are constantly exposed are a normal tone, tanner than most fellow gingers, but my fucking torso. Go shirtless in the summer and it's like people saw a ghost, and no matter how long I 'tan' or keep the shirt off I do NOT get darker. Makes me look fatter too which is ass
LegitGingerDude · 25 points · Posted at 20:29:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually started to tan. I work outside so I think my skin adapted and stopped burning me. That or I have a permanent burn and am awaiting skin cancer everywhere.
medicalmystery1395 · 13 points · Posted at 04:34:33 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some of the worst burns I've gotten have been from cloudy days. I had some absolutely horrific ones when I was younger from spending time in the water and stupidly not reapplying. I love my hair but my god is it inconvenient to be so damn pale. My mother took a picture of me with flash on yesterday because the room was dark and everything in the room but me looks awesome. I look like a damn ghost that showed up in the picture
LegitGingerDude · 11 points · Posted at 04:35:41 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe that's the secret. We died awhile ago and we just haven't been told yet.
medicalmystery1395 · 8 points · Posted at 06:52:40 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh shit that explains why people always look so shocked to see me
(Oh and happy cake day!)
LegitGingerDude · 2 points · Posted at 06:53:21 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you :)
T_Halls · 3 points · Posted at 03:57:34 on June 3, 2018 · (Permalink)
My favorite thing about being half black. Just dark enough where the sun has trouble burning my skin but still less of chance of getting the other skin disorders that come with being dark.
spugg0 · 3 points · Posted at 17:04:44 on July 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel personally attacked.
LegitGingerDude · 2 points · Posted at 17:38:47 on July 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well this is an old comment. Hello there :)
spugg0 · 3 points · Posted at 17:39:42 on July 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
You know when you go to r/askreddit, sort by top and just scroll through threads for six hours straight?
LegitGingerDude · 2 points · Posted at 17:40:32 on July 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel ya. Hope you have a fun time then.
GenreRebel · 434 points · Posted at 15:41:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a,weirdly large population of redheads where I live. It's very odd. Also, I married into it so my husband and one of my daughters are red headed. Red heads with blue eyes at that. I lovingly call them mutants.
DukeofVermont · 316 points · Posted at 16:13:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now I want there to be a red head in the next x-men film with no cool powers but who is let in because she is a mutant. Her power...she needs extra anesthesia.
scoobydoobeydoo · 48 points · Posted at 18:06:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also pain medication and numbing agents.
grimoiregirl · 18 points · Posted at 01:33:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And hot sauce.
YetAnotherGilder2184 · 32 points · Posted at 22:59:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Young Xavier was just trying to pick her up at a bar with the "red hair is a mutation" line and things just got way out of hand.
grimoiregirl · 2 points · Posted at 01:34:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel like this is something you could expect from either Gambit or Mystique.
MatttheBruinsfan · 8 points · Posted at 03:27:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty likely from McAvoy's Xavier too.
Viltris · 6 points · Posted at 11:20:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I assumed he was referencing how McAvoy did exactly that in his first appearance as Xavier.
ChillWilliam · 2 points · Posted at 08:12:08 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fantastic movie tbh. Fassbender was also great as Magneto.
JR_JakeRunner · 1 points · Posted at 06:00:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would watch "Young Xavier" just sayin
Guilty_Treasures · 68 points · Posted at 18:45:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A villain is firing tranq darts at the squad of mutants coming at him. The heroes go down left and right, finally there's only one left but she just keeps coming. "Y-you ... why won't you sleep?" the villain says in panic. The hero pulls off her helmet to reveal a mane of red hair and delivers a standard witty one-liner. The villain's eyes widen in surprise, then in understanding, then in resignation as she slaps some cuffs on him, or maybe just blasts him into oblivion ...
Hey, let's split the royalties when 20th Century Fox picks up this awesome concept for the next X-Men movie.
waitingtodiesoon · 4 points · Posted at 03:32:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean Disney if the deal goes through
dexx4d · 2 points · Posted at 16:34:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Vulnerable to sunlight though..
elliotsilvestri · 29 points · Posted at 23:22:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pfft. I’m a red head. My SO is blonde. Our four kids are redheads all with blue eyes. We’re skewing the statistics at our house.
GenreRebel · 15 points · Posted at 01:02:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thats pretty cool.
elliotsilvestri · 19 points · Posted at 01:07:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks. Bonus genetic statistical hiccup: two of our kids are identical twins.
CrispehChikenWingz · 6 points · Posted at 02:56:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a twin too, but I'm the only redhead in my family. My sisters hair was near black
Zreaz · 11 points · Posted at 19:15:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why red head with specifically blue eyes?
Bloodiron · 35 points · Posted at 20:21:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because the genetic traits for red hair and blue eyes are both recessive, so both parents have to have the genes for their spawn to have them.
Source: am red head with blue eyes, and this article
Hrmpfreally · 29 points · Posted at 00:11:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im one of these.
Even more awkward given everyone in my family has dark brown hair and brown eyes- mom’s the only one with blue eyes, and not a ginger in sight.
I’d like to think there’s a dapper UPS man out there thinkin’ bout me.
worstdamnday · 10 points · Posted at 00:30:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do any of the men in your family have ginger beards? That's where it usually comes from.
Hrmpfreally · 3 points · Posted at 00:37:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My older brother has a tinge of red in his beard if he grows it out, but beyond that I can’t think of any. Dad never really grew very much facial hair beyond a goatee, and that was always black/grey.
worstdamnday · 2 points · Posted at 00:48:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It'd be from your brother then. It's in your gene pool and it'll keep popping up. Happens in my family. My Dad has a red beard and my sister has red hair. Not bright red, almost auburn but definitely red. My brother in law has a red beard and my daughters hair is the identical hair to my sisters. My wife and my mum have jet black hair and I have brown with some blonde so they don't get it from us.
Hrmpfreally · 6 points · Posted at 01:02:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But.. my brother didn’t...
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:38:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Hrmpfreally · 1 points · Posted at 01:49:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I surely fucking hope so.
bong-water · 2 points · Posted at 11:32:50 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think your biology is a bit off there pal
RandellX · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Am also red head with blue eyes, also am only redhead in family. My wife wants a redhead baby so bad but it aint gonna happen cause shes full Vietnamese and has black hair, brown eyes, and tan skin.
Also my eyebrows are blonde.
Hrmpfreally · 1 points · Posted at 19:44:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The wife and I aren’t intending to have children, but she’s Puerto Rican, so I’m sure I’d face a similar fate if we did decide to have kids.
You’re gonna look like Ron Howard when you’re old. That’s how that goes. 😁
RandellX · 2 points · Posted at 19:48:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
True, At least I probably wont go bald.
Hrmpfreally · 2 points · Posted at 19:54:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Truth bombs.
Louis C.K. is the only bald ginger I can think of, and that’s just cuz the fuck deserved it.
CreativeCorinne · 2 points · Posted at 00:52:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think I know 6 of them...
Zreaz · 1 points · Posted at 20:29:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh dam, never realized that. My brother is one of the few then too.
medicalmystery1395 · 1 points · Posted at 04:32:12 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh cool! I'm red headed with blue eyes. My immediate family all have blue eyes too but they're either blonde or brown haired. None of my cousins are red heads either. I think one uncle has a red beard and I believe my mom's father had red hair so it's definitely in the family genes
elixan · 7 points · Posted at 17:46:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My stepdad’s side of the family has a few redheads. He and his mom are like the typical bright-orange redheads and my mom was practically praying when she was pregnant with my youngest brother that he’d be a redhead too lol but he a blond baby like the rest of us on her side
edit: fixed some grammar
kw0711 · 6 points · Posted at 21:00:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well to be fair it’s not THAT uncommon. 2% is 1 out of every 50 people. That’s 7m people in the US
coltgia45 · 9 points · Posted at 22:07:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In a place like Minnesota, there is a statistically high number of red heads due to the large amounts of Neanderthals (shared ancestor). It was common for Neanderthals to have red hair, and they would pass this gene on through mating.
Anothernamelesacount · 7 points · Posted at 19:25:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would you be so kind as to point to wherever I have to go to find the redheads?
Hrmpfreally · 4 points · Posted at 00:12:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, what am I showing up for here, some kind of cleansing?
I’m only in if I get dibs on little spoon.
RandellX · 4 points · Posted at 17:38:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a redhead festival every year where thousands of redheads get together in Breda. I've always wanted to go.
http://www.redheaddays.nl/en/about/
GenreRebel · 2 points · Posted at 01:00:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Central alabama 🤓
betteroffinbed · 2 points · Posted at 02:56:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in Massachusetts, and I know a lot of redheads. Large Irish population. I am a redhead myself, and I have had 3 redheaded partners (1 male, 2 female)
grimoiregirl · 2 points · Posted at 01:35:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a festival in I think Ireland every year. I wanna go with my boyfriend one year because we're both redheads and people tend to confuse us for siblings in public til we start making out.
MatttheBruinsfan · 3 points · Posted at 03:28:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ginger supremacists!
hizeto · 3 points · Posted at 21:34:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
ireland by chance?
buttsrthetops · 3 points · Posted at 04:20:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're in Mexico it may be because of the Mexican/American war! A group of Irish defected to the Mexican side and when mexico loss, started a new life for themselves in Mexico.
http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/irish.html
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/the-irish-rebels-who-fought-against-the-us-in-the-mexican-american-war
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:04:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you happen to live in Scotland or Ireland? (Two largest populations of redheads on Earth as far as I know.)
GenreRebel · 3 points · Posted at 01:01:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh if only. Nope. Central Alabama.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 23:08:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you live in Mississippi by chance? Me and my friend constantly talk about how it's packed with gingers
GenreRebel · 3 points · Posted at 01:02:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bama 🤓
Icanjam · 2 points · Posted at 22:30:58 on February 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ooh I have red hair blue eyes too! I'm the only one in my family without green eyes besides my brother (he has red hair brown eyes)
storander · 1 points · Posted at 19:31:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks, now I have to tell my wife she's a mutant.
GenreRebel · 2 points · Posted at 01:01:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, you don't have to...but it's kinda a family joke. I'm brown hair and hazel eyes, my hubs is red hair and blue eyes. We have 2 daughters, a clone of him, and then a mix of both of us
Aroumia · 102 points · Posted at 16:12:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck me, my gf would be very popular in this thread. Green eyes and Red hair!
master_x_2k · 32 points · Posted at 18:00:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So hot.
KuntaStillSingle · 130 points · Posted at 19:32:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
She also has OCD, is an autistic savant, has a 9 inch penis and a successful business which began in her garage.
abigail_rothko · 49 points · Posted at 19:55:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And once successfully pleaded the insanity defense after committing a murder in a small British village!
tristen620 · 8 points · Posted at 05:26:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not forget that during all of this she managed to pull herself up by her bootstraps.
JacZones · 3 points · Posted at 05:11:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Definitely hot
Madlybohemian · 104 points · Posted at 16:30:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Green eyed redhead checking in. My mutant super power is getting sunburnt whilst sitting in shade.
Gonzostewie · 25 points · Posted at 18:01:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Green eyed ginger as well. Woo hoo.
GidgetCooper · 5 points · Posted at 01:05:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Samesies. I'd say more hazel but the green in my eyes is bright. My grandmother has flat one shade jade coloured eyes though. All her black and white photos make her look possessed.
papereverywhere · 2 points · Posted at 03:34:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ditto...but I am the only one with green eyes. All the other redheads in my family have blue eyes. My mother has dark brown eyes, so not sure how I ended up with green.
Reddit_at_work91 · 2 points · Posted at 12:27:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goddamn there's loads of us
papereverywhere · 2 points · Posted at 15:29:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am also left handed. Neither of my parents are.
Madlybohemian · 2 points · Posted at 17:06:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am left handed as well! Well, technically ambidextrous due to being forced to wright with my other hand as a small child. I primarily wright with my left now, though I am able to do both hands ... at the same time. Lovely parlour trick.
papereverywhere · 3 points · Posted at 19:30:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My fourth grade teacher tried to make me switch. Apparently I was an asshole even then and refused. So I was sent to the principal's office, and when I explained what was going on, I was sent back to class and the teacher was called into the hall to speak with the principal. After that, I was permitted to write left handed, but the teacher went out of her way to make things as difficult as possible for me.
Madlybohemian · 2 points · Posted at 20:04:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just dont understand why some teachers can be like that. Good for you, sticking up for yourself!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:19:45 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not a red head but also have green eyes. Not a single person in my immediate or extended family (my dad has 9 siblings so I have a LOT of extended family) on either my mom or dads side have green eyes. My mom has hazel, but brother, sister, and dad have dark chocolate brown. They're sort of dark greenish grey with some blue so no idea where it could have come from...
PDespereaux · 3 points · Posted at 02:41:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm.
Let's all start a subreddit together gaiz!
Madlybohemian · 1 points · Posted at 17:08:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds good to me! 😂
Ando_Bando · 3 points · Posted at 13:55:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once went skiing without putting sun screen on. The only part of me that wasn't covered in ski gear was the underside of my nose. Guess where I had a lovely little sunburn?
RandellX · 2 points · Posted at 17:39:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blue eyed redhead here; my mutant super power not realizing I've seriously hurt my self due to my dull sense of pain.
Madlybohemian · 1 points · Posted at 20:05:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same too!!
Sinthe741 · 1 points · Posted at 21:38:10 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also a green-eyed redhead. Wooo!
chaosgirlalive · 1 points · Posted at 13:56:45 on June 15, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same here!
Babbs25 · 38 points · Posted at 17:05:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have red hair, green eyes and have an identical twin. hit the jackpot for rare genetics!
BritishBlaze · 37 points · Posted at 17:21:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes but so did your twin. You’ll have to split it.
Babbs25 · 16 points · Posted at 18:57:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
True but I'm a minute older so I'm taking 80% lol
Gingerninja115 · 5 points · Posted at 18:41:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fellow red headed twin and I can absolutely relate. Except no green eyes ( mine are Brown) but I am left handed and born under the Gemini sign
Babbs25 · 6 points · Posted at 18:56:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Left handed here too! Leftys are the best lol my twin is a righty so she's lame lol
backpackofcats · 3 points · Posted at 22:10:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
On a bit of a morbid note: there’s a theory that left-handed, non-twin people may have had a mirror image twin in the womb at some point.
chiefladydandy · 2 points · Posted at 13:51:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I KNEW I had a twin I absorbed in a show of dominance! It almost makes up for the dozens of tiny daily inconveniences of living in a world designed for righties.
I_Can_Haz_Brainz · 2 points · Posted at 18:45:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, statistically, left-handed people die sooner.
BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo · 29 points · Posted at 17:25:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This stat and the one about green eyes are a bit misleading. Of course people in India and China, the two biggest populations, are not going to be gingers. It would make more sense to look at percent of caucasians.
John-1973 · 24 points · Posted at 16:47:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once stepped out of the train in The Netherlands and the station was filled with people with red hair.
After inquiry it turned out it was our national red hair day (I didn't know that was a thing over here) and the town I was in was the town chosen for the get together that year.
Anothernamelesacount · 10 points · Posted at 19:25:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually it was an overly complicated ploy to steal a bank.
SpacedOut247 · 3 points · Posted at 03:29:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who needs to raid a vault when you can just steal the whole bank?
VulpesFennekin · 9 points · Posted at 17:00:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's still 150,000,000 people, or roughly the population of Russia.
grimoiregirl · 6 points · Posted at 01:38:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Stop it, now I'm thinking about russian girls with the accent and red hair offering me vodka and I'm never going to sleep again.
MatttheBruinsfan · 2 points · Posted at 03:32:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's good, they won't be able to steal your kidneys if you stay awake!
KelseyAnn94 · 9 points · Posted at 16:51:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My sister is the only person I’ve met with naturally red hair.
madmaxjr · 20 points · Posted at 18:14:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
May I ask where you're from? It's rare in Africa or Asia, but I can't imagine being from Europe or a former British colony and not knowing someone with red hair.
KelseyAnn94 · 7 points · Posted at 18:29:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Minnesota.
madmaxjr · 13 points · Posted at 18:38:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's shocking. I can't imagine living anywhere in the US and not having met at least two people with red hair lol
sunny_happy_xyz123 · 2 points · Posted at 23:11:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in a state next to Minnesota and have known several people with red hair. I myself have reddish hair with green eyes, as do my dad and oldest brother, but it's more an orangish red than the red you think of.
Sinthe741 · 1 points · Posted at 21:39:44 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I also live in MN (twin cities) and I'm the only redhead I know. I've met several others, but not many.
steph_curry_official · 8 points · Posted at 19:22:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You talking ginger, like orange hair, or closer to brown with a strong red tint? Theres a spectrum with red and blonde hair that's absent with brown and black, which is interesting for some reason to me. Mine's a really dark blonde with an orange tint. I've had people argue over what color it is and whether or not I'm ginger (I claim it proudly, only to be dismissed by my friends because I'm also colorblind). Point being, maybe there's some variability in your standards vs. the red-hair judging population at large
GidgetCooper · 2 points · Posted at 01:11:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's definitely a spectrum. I feel it falls on two ends. Ginger and Redhead. I lean more on the latter as my a hairs darker and deeper light auburn shade. Then there's the people who lean more blonde, ginger and orange shades and I think fiery red sits smack bam in the middle.
Gonzostewie · 4 points · Posted at 18:01:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ginger Power!!!
KabeWolf2044 · 4 points · Posted at 22:01:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm red haired have green eyes (another comment said they were super rare) and I'm left handed. Does that mean I'm super rare.
starlessnight89 · 1 points · Posted at 11:28:28 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you me?
DickSpasmByProxy · 16 points · Posted at 23:01:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a redhead with blue/green eyes. Knowing how little of us there are, I honestly get annoyed when people dye their hair red and call themselves Redheads™. Maybe I'm just being a dick, but I don't think people should call themselves that unless they're born with red hair themselves. It's just a title thing.
Sinthe741 · 3 points · Posted at 21:41:24 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Every time people comment on my mom and I both having red hair, I always tell them that hers is dyed. She's cheating.
DickSpasmByProxy · 2 points · Posted at 07:09:53 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lmao, relatable, I usually do this as well. Once my friend dyed their hair red, and someone called a pair of redheads, and I was like "hers isn't natural, though", and she was fussy with me about it for the rest of the day.
iwasacatonce · 3 points · Posted at 05:30:32 on February 15, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hate that too. I mean, it's not like I had to work for it or anything, but come on. I guess I'm an elitist.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 17:25:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have ginger hair, but no one alive who is related to me has - go figure
luveykat · 4 points · Posted at 20:04:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had two redheaded children and the closest redhead on my side of the family was ~4 generations back. Genetics (specifically recessive traits) are weird like that
sunny_happy_xyz123 · 3 points · Posted at 23:14:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have ginger hair, an orangish red not a deep dark red, as do my dad and oldest brother. We all have green eyes and fair skin as well. Neither of his parents had reddish hair or green eyes, though one of his brothers did.
I once went up to my dad and asked, "Who in our family has reddish hair?" He pointed at me and said, "You do..." I was trying to ask where our reddish hair came from, which side of his family. Oh well, still never got an answer.
garyomario · 5 points · Posted at 18:03:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What a glorious two percent though
ROADHOG_IS_MY_WAIFU · 3 points · Posted at 19:55:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ginger guy checking in, it's a red-brown rather than an orange-red. People used to make fun of my hair but lately I've found that chicks really dig the hair. Also I'm pale but I'm able to tan so I'm not one of those permanently pale gingers - got lucky in this respect.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 22:55:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
IAmThe2Percent
paperslacker · 3 points · Posted at 19:14:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad has three siblings, all of which have red hair. He has brown hair, so does my mom. I was born with brown hair.
My brother has red hair. And unless my dad explains his family tree, people are usually confused where my brother got it from. The only reason we look the same at all is we have the same eyes.
sadbabe420 · 2 points · Posted at 20:18:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have red hair, my mom has red hair, my uncle has red hair, my grandpa had red hair... I think we are the 2%.
luveykat · 3 points · Posted at 20:00:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I get looks and comments anytime I take my two redheads out places. I hear a lot of "Do you know how much people would pay for that shade" directed at my daughter.
It was very strange too, both myself and their father are brunettes and on my side at least the closest redhead was ~4 generations back. Genetics, yo.
cassieee · 6 points · Posted at 03:02:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Real talk, my hair was the most beautiful orange when I was younger. Old ladies in bathrooms always used to tell me to appreciate my hair cause you can’t get the color from a bottle It got darker as I got older but never totally brown, then the white hairs started to poke through. I went to a salon recently to start dyeing it to get rid of the whites and I told her I also wanted to get it to be a little more orange like it was when I was a kid. I spent $340 on a cut and color. So you can tell your daughter I would spend at least that much.
I_Can_Haz_Brainz · 2 points · Posted at 18:47:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My fifth-grade teacher kept dyeing her hair trying to match mine. Never succeeded.
Jettlax · 3 points · Posted at 23:56:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s 140 million people, and since there are about 1.3 billion white people on the earth and essentially all the red haired people are white, about 1/10 white people have red hair, which is way more common than I thought it was.
WonderGinger · 3 points · Posted at 02:29:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But there is only one WonderGinger.
heisenberg747 · 3 points · Posted at 11:28:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife and I are both redheads. Every time she sees a little ginger kid, she says, "aww, that's what our kids are going to look like!". They're almost certainly going to be dark haired like the rest of our family. We do have better chances than most people though, 1 in 4 IIRC.
Ruittsorf · 4 points · Posted at 17:21:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is red hair the same as ginger hair?
alyssarcastic · 1 points · Posted at 17:54:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yes
Ruittsorf · 1 points · Posted at 17:55:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Didn't know it was that rare in the world
Oomeegoolies · 7 points · Posted at 21:18:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I guess the largest countries in the world are India and China, and you don't really see many Asian gingers.
CreativeCorinne · 1 points · Posted at 00:54:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That makes it make so much more sense. I was like I can't even count the amount of redheads that I know.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:33:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sexy 3%.
ShortchangeParamecia · 2 points · Posted at 23:26:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Population of...North America?
howivewaited · 2 points · Posted at 00:27:30 on February 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
The other day i saw red headed identical twin girls at walmart, probably around age 12, both beautiful with long thick red hair. I was like damn you are both so lucky.
Trillsweatshirt · 2 points · Posted at 04:29:53 on February 3, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are 7 redheads, including me, at my job.
MadSparty · 4 points · Posted at 21:07:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This statistic baffles me for a strange reason. About 50% of all my sexual partners are redheaded. I have no conscious or known attraction towards redheads.
I never paid specific attention to the hair color of my romantic interests until I heard this statistic. Something about my specific look or behavior must be particularly attractive to women with red hair or I could have some unconscious bias that increases my willingness to pursue them.
kingofthesofas · 5 points · Posted at 03:33:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same here. I am married to a redhead now but before her I dated a lot of other redheads. mostly they pursued me too not the other way around. Something about me and redheads has always clicked for some reason.
Hellhound0nMyTrail · 3 points · Posted at 15:22:43 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
"2% of the population"...of the world? That makes sense to me. Think about Africa and Asia. They've gotta skew the numbers.
loopywolf · 2 points · Posted at 17:18:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I heard being a red-head is actually a genetic disorder, but without being able to cite proper reference I'm just asking for a flame. Can it happen on the NEW reddit? We'll see
Rektalalchemist · 6 points · Posted at 21:22:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not really. It’s a mutation to get more vitamin D from the sun in areas where there is almost no sunlight.
Throwingcookies · 1 points · Posted at 20:11:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Really? Source?
Rektalalchemist · 1 points · Posted at 21:38:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just google it. Pretty Common knowledge these days.
theLucror · 1 points · Posted at 16:25:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yet both my sisters have it...and I have brown
steebers0528 · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In my family the red hair gene skips generations. Yay! I’m in the 2%! :)
ozmethod · 1 points · Posted at 22:22:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My family is doing everything we can to fill our quota. Grandpa, Mom, Aunt, uncle, brother, sister (who married one), nephew, Neice.
Prof_JL · 1 points · Posted at 22:54:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not in ireland.
pinkmist008 · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife and I both have brown hair and hazel eyes. We have a blonde with blue eyes. Brunette with hazel eyes. And two red heads with hazel eyes. In my family there is usually only one red head per generation, we have two.
worstdamnday · 1 points · Posted at 00:28:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Definitely more than that where I am & i'm not even in Scotland
Hortonman42 · 1 points · Posted at 01:41:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This makes me very sad.
civicmon · 1 points · Posted at 03:09:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. The most red heads live in the USA but the largest percentage is in Scotland with 15% of the population with red hair.
napalmlungs · 1 points · Posted at 03:26:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My facial hair comes in red, everywhere else on my body the hair is brown.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:15:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's a relief.
Roarkindrake · 1 points · Posted at 04:18:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a Red head with green eyes this is kinda awesome. Though I kinda look like the Red Giant with both of these traits <.<.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 06:49:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My town tried to have a world record attempt for the most number of redheads in one place, for weeks beforehand everyone asked me if I was going, friends, people in work with, cashiers when I went shopping etc, for the following few weeks people kept asking me if I went.
BeatsAroundNoBush · 1 points · Posted at 09:53:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about red hair in beard? Nobody in my family is a red head, but there is orange in my chin region.
secondusername2016 · 1 points · Posted at 12:54:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I blame this one on movies and TV. Redheads are way over-represented. African Americans and Hispanics not so much.
Ellthrowaway94 · 1 points · Posted at 14:42:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Clearly you're not from Scotland.
bgb3 · 1 points · Posted at 17:00:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Two of my children have red hair and blue eyes. We went to a 4th of July party that had 3 other kids with red hair. I heard someone say “what’s with all the gingers?” Which was funny because there was probably 20 kids with brown hair and maybe 15 with blonde.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not in Newfoundland! :) My hair is orange, I've been waiting for it to turn auburn, like Anne in Anne of Green Gables. It has not.
cinnamonprincesss · 1 points · Posted at 22:21:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yyyyyyyup. Am a redhead/blue eyes and got picked on for it A LOT as a child because I was the only one (apart from my sister). My mother has red hair but my father and brother do not. I never quite understand exactly why it works like that.
Seeing lots of redheads on TV was strangely discouraging because there were always so many of them; and they were also always very sexy, which was quite uncomfortable and alienating
sadbabe420 · 1 points · Posted at 02:13:19 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I got picked on a lot too as a child... a lot of people find that hard to believe. Kids are mean.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 12:16:58 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of the white population I assume.
sadbabe420 · 1 points · Posted at 15:55:01 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or not
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:40:43 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes. Gingervitis is incredibly rare.
And unfortunately, there is no known cure. Modern medicine remains baffled as to how one can contract the disease. It is truly awful to see someone suffer from this.
artsyChaos · 1 points · Posted at 06:24:36 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tell that to me, my mom, my sister, aunt, and whatever other family members that have it...bright red hair I would believe but red in general?
KiritoJones · 1 points · Posted at 17:40:51 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
And then every time they meet they have to battle it out so there really aren’t that many left
peoplerstranger · 1 points · Posted at 06:57:17 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
YES! That’s right! I should have said that because I am a redhead.
Call out to the Ginger Nation! The most un-unified minority on earth... cause we’d rather be the only one in the room with red hair. Haha 😆
djdaedalus42 · 1 points · Posted at 21:39:27 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
2% of the US population. 10% and up in some northern European countries. Like where I come from.
lagomorph42 · 1 points · Posted at 16:46:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But it occurs in 75% of my parents' children. That that global warming.
sunny_happy_xyz123 · 2 points · Posted at 23:17:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
66.7% of my parent's children have reddish hair (two of three siblings, me and our oldest brother). My dad also has reddish hair, but neither of his parents did. My mom has reddish hair on her side, but it's farther up.
photosyntheshit · 0 points · Posted at 23:20:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's still like 70-140 million people though - scary that there's so many people in our world without souls.
Stewartw642 · 0 points · Posted at 03:14:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, you have to consider that redheads are white, which greatly reduces the number of people in the total population (white people only make up about 11% of the population).
wavs101 · -1 points · Posted at 23:28:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I prefer pharmacy red over natural red.
TheCarterIII · -7 points · Posted at 18:07:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Let's get that down to 1%
Smoking_Bear · 8278 points · Posted at 13:42:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dissociative Identity Disorder(multiple personalities)
IlIIllIIIllIllIllIll · 2620 points · Posted at 16:29:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is common, on the other hand, is the mistaken belief that this is synonymous with schizophrenia.
potatoescangiggle · 342 points · Posted at 23:49:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As well as most misconceptions about all mental illnesses and disorders. My favorite to point out is the difference between OCD and OCPD to people who constantly talk about how "OCD" they are because they like their closet organized in a reasonable way.
KittyCatTroll · 240 points · Posted at 01:04:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bipolar and Borderline are two commonly mixed up ones. Having mood swings doesn't mean you're bipolar, people! You can be bipolar and have intense mood swings, but that's not a symptom of it. Severe mood swings are a possible symptom of Borderline, however.
The two can also be co-occuring, which makes it even more muddled.
bumblebeans · 48 points · Posted at 01:27:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it's because both have extreme moods associated. But even psychiatrists someone's have a hard time sorting this out. My mom had bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder or both. She's dead now (not suicide, though that's common for both disorders), so we'll never know for sure, but their differences are not clear cut.
glitter_disorder · 23 points · Posted at 06:02:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep can confirm.
My psych diagnosed me with Bipolar (medicated as such too) for a year and a half before I got my correct dx of BPD.
bumblebeans · 9 points · Posted at 01:27:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sometimes, not someone's
peoplerstranger · 41 points · Posted at 02:40:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bipolar: axis I disorder - caused by chemical imbalance- can be treated with medication,
Borderline: axis II personality disorder. There are no medications to fix personality disorders. You can medicate associated axis I symptoms (like mood swings) but personality disorders are charactological and the only fix is a good therapist and a lot of dedication,
RadioHitandRun · 15 points · Posted at 03:00:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Borderline people who are sexually aggressive ruined my day more then once.
peoplerstranger · 10 points · Posted at 03:09:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hmmm sorry about that. Try to think about how you can make your boundaries stronger- Like how you can give off the vibe not to fucking approach you. Borderline people, predators, all sorts of different personality types can sense when somebody is a vulnerable to their advances. Only way to stop this is to work on fortifying yourself, so to speak
RadioHitandRun · 18 points · Posted at 03:12:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Let me explain, i work in a psych hospital and we caught two patients going at it, one is always borderline. The other is usually a creep. Right now, as a male, im getting constantly sexually harassed by another gay make patient who freaks out of i ignore him.
peoplerstranger · 6 points · Posted at 01:17:35 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ahhh yup. Sorry. Not much you can do since you work inpatient. Tell the administration to up your hazard pay... But as for the infatuated patient- your best bet is to use behavioral modification techniques. Extremely effective but you have to do it right or you run the risk of making the problem worse. Your can read about behavior modification by looking up skinner (this will give you the fundamentals because he was the guy who came up with the theory).
For how to actually put in place i would google “behavior modification techniques for sleep training babies, for autistic children, and for a simplified version, for dog trainers.
It will take about 2 to 3weeks to get the patient to become disinterested if you do it right.
Also, very important: Be sure to look up and read about something called an “extinction burst”.
Let me know how it works. If you have questions on exactly what to do ping me back; this is what I studied as an undergraduate.
Nerdgasm25 · 16 points · Posted at 00:51:30 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a borderline person, this makes me sad. I'm a 24 year old woman TRYING to get my shit together. And usually I am the vulnerable one trying to ignore everyone. However, and I am still trying to figure out why, must be the shitty chemicals and/or thought processes in my head, I have a very hard time saying no. So please keep this in mind. I am not a terrible human being, I am just a human struggling to balance between impulses that i have and what I know is right. Its not all black and white.
peoplerstranger · 3 points · Posted at 01:12:25 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know, and you are absolutely correct. I want to be very clear that the person who commented originally and my original response were both about inpatient psychiatric patients. And not someone who is in for a week or two but someone who is a chronic patient (from what I gathered from the original comment). So, my point is that I am not referring to mainstream, functional adults who struggle with this disorder.
And actually I am not even responding with BPD in mind either, it is more of a response about a technique to gently manage behavior in other’s. I use behavioral schedules all the time; on my kids, my husband, my secretary....
I hope this clarifies my response.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 05:50:38 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree, 25yo with BPD. Though I do agree with /u/peoplerstranger, it makes it soo much easier for me when someone puts up strong boundaries rather than enabling me (so to speak).
InbredDucks · 1 points · Posted at 15:02:52 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your intentions may say you aren't a terrible human being, but do your actions?
peoplerstranger · 2 points · Posted at 06:53:21 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, InBredDucks, Im impressed that you were able to illustrate exactly what you are asking by the way you asked it! Its like a question and an example all in one. Is there a word or a phrase for this? Like, “you just pallendrom-a-interrobanged that! Man... you good.”
picklesgalore · 12 points · Posted at 02:39:39 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey uh you prob didn't mean it that way but it kind of sounds like you were saying that people with BPD were predatory. I have BPD and I'm mostly just sad, not scary :(
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 05:50:54 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
agreed :(
Nerdgasm25 · 8 points · Posted at 00:41:23 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
This makes me so sad because I have been diagnosed BPD. I haven't been on meds or done therapy for about 2 years because I always got HORRIBLE side effects, however I fo have my best friend who knows about my diagnosis and does a "balance" routine with me. Basically before I do anything drastic I talk to her and explain the situation and ask - "Is this rational behavior?" because I know in my fucked up mind it always is. It has saved my life a few times. Literally.
peoplerstranger · 4 points · Posted at 00:49:10 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
This sounds like a very insightful, balanced, and practical way of giving yourself perspective when you need it. Good job. Having BPD is not easy and the symptoms are widely misunderstood but there are some benefits to feeling things at such a deep level- creativity, the ability to truly touch other people’s hearts and minds... If you manage your weakness and improve on your strengths (which it sounds like you are) your talents and perceptive nature will shine. And dont beat yourself up if you make mistakes or do something “bpd-ish”, the truth is that everyone is like this sometimes. Best of luck
noctivagantnotions · 1 points · Posted at 00:46:36 on April 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very Jung-esque, and very true.
It isn't about positive thinking and expectation of these integrated 'instabilities' to disappear, it's about management and achieving peace through balance, self analysis/awareness and understanding. I feel as though those goals should be reiterated.
I feel as though perspective is the thing that needs to be adjusted or reset, and the rest of the 'indentifiers' should be trained to be harnessed and accessed in appropriate corresponding situations.
Things are actually a lot more beautiful in a poetic, stoic way through the eyes of mental/personality affliction when embraced to a degree. Sometimes striving to be that happy-go-lucky person you once were, or never were, is the catalyst of disappointment when it just isn't a realistic existence for some people. There is so much opportunity to realise beauty and appreciation in such overlooked aspects of life, which I feel creates a person with depth. I'm not saying be consumed with and emulate the dreariness, rather that you may as well look deeper into it if you're going to be stuck in that place... It'll probably make more sense and do more good than to relentlessly try to be inspired by positive messages and cliches that seem taunting/unrealistic.
TL;DR some of the most potentially dark and profound beautiful souls I have come across in this existence have been broken over and over but use their understanding of misery to build others up and avoid hurting others in the ways they've experienced.
Self awareness, facing hard truths and having the ability to adjust perspective are so monumentally important in not only coping, but becoming a much more more enriched, human being with depth.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 07:29:34 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am sure I will get attacked for my limited understanding and more likely for my lack of understanding.
I only have had an interaction with one person with borderline personality disorder and she is the only person I have ever come across that I truly hate.
She holds in large amounts every repulsive quality a human can exhibit. From extreme selfishness, zero empathy, jealousy, plays games that has destroyed a friend of mines life.
I always thought borderline personality disorder was describing someone who is not very nice and also who is not self aware and cannot analyse how absurd and cruel their behaviour is when compared to what the societal norms would be.
Yet the people here who have said they have borderline personality disorder seem level headed, self aware and a genuine interest in minimizing the harm they do to others.
That has not been my experience, is that because there are different types or more extreme types. I have known people who have had bipolar disorder and they can often be the most decent loving & kind hearted people you can meet you just need to get them on the way up.
Where as borderline personality (I could be completely wrong on this as I have limited experience) apart from their superficial niceness which I found was usually an act to create friction between my friend and me (her partner) and not genuine or some other horrible motive that drove her, in other words, while there are times you do not want to be around a bipolar person, you never want to be around someone with borderline personality disorder.
Please tell me if I have that wrong.
OsKarMike1306 · 6 points · Posted at 17:36:14 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
One way to look at it is how a sociopath would act if he felt empathy too easily, meaning we are ready to destroy everything around us (and inside us) if our mentally illed logic tells us we could save the people we love from us. Alternately, in the case of FPs (favourite person, a term borderline sufferers use to describe a person they recently met and became infatuated with), borderlines will actively (somewhat unconsciously as well) try to sabotage the relationships their FP have so they can "fill themselves up" with the presence of the FP, which of course needs an unrealistic amount of time spent with the borderline sufferer considering a chronic feeling of emptiness is a key symptom in the disorder.
Also note that while most borderline sufferers have the same thought process, they can act and react differently compared to other borderlines and even themselves at other points of time, meaning that while some will feel jealousy to the point of sabotage, others like myself will feel neglect to the point of self sabotage by either acting like complete assholes to the people they love or simply avoid the people they love in hopes they'll forget about us so that we can "start over" with someone else.
Contrary to common belief and as you expressed, BPD sufferers not only feel empathy, we also feel it stronger than most people, which can be overwhelming and cause dissociative episodes in which the borderline simply shuts down, like a computer rebooting.
The key in understanding how a borderline acts is to think about spicy food: a normal person will eat varying degrees of spicy food, avoiding the ones they can't handle while a borderline will feel no difference between a hot pepper and a mild pepper so they have no idea what is considered too hot until they come across a marginally spicier pepper that will leave them choking and crying for help.
In that analogy where peppers are emotions, you also need to know that borderlines have trouble remembering emotions, positive and negative, over long periods of time which can be otherwise said as once a minor good thing happens, they feel pure euphoria that's closely related to intoxication, but as soon as a minor bad thing happens, they completely forget about the previous minor good thing and become immediately depressed. Following the previous analogy, it's like eating a spicy pepper you like, eating that single type of pepper over and over until you mistake that one for another pepper that's too spicy and vow to never eat peppers ever again, only to do it again when you want something spicy and restart the cycle.
Finally, remember that every shitty thing a borderline did to you, as cliché as it sounds, it's something they would rather do to themselves but can't because there's only so much self abuse one can take before simply commiting suicide.
glitter_disorder · 10 points · Posted at 06:01:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even my psychiatrist diagnosed me as Bipolar for a year and a half (and medicated me as such) before I was correctly diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder.
The overlap can be very hard to work out with these 2 and they do share a lot of similar symptoms.
I do think the length & duration of the ‘mood ups & downs’ make them slightly easier to separate but as you said, they can co-occur.
OsKarMike1306 · 9 points · Posted at 17:05:07 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
The easy and very simplified of explaining the difference between BPD and Bipolar Disorder is Bipolars have mood swings spanning days and weeks while BPD could have 3 mood swings in a single conversation. It makes socialising quite difficult without coping mechanisms, which explains why an alarming amount of BPD sufferers also need to deal with substance abuse, addictions and OCD-esque rituals.
Source: am diagnosed borderline
letsbemenow · 9 points · Posted at 11:26:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm. Have both and my care coordinator called me a unicorn. Not helpful.
conventionalpostage · 2 points · Posted at 22:07:39 on March 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
can confirm; I'm on a mood stabilizer for my bpd and it's helped immensely. we know for sure it's not bipolar, mostly bc I've been on a whole bunch of SSRIs/SNRIs (for my bonus comorbid MDD/GAD/social anxiety) and never had a single manic episode, thankfully.
your-imaginaryfriend · 15 points · Posted at 00:29:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What's the difference between OCD and OCPD?
rad2themax · 112 points · Posted at 00:45:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
OCPD is obsessive compulsive personality disorder. Its more similar to what you think of as OCD. OCPD is usually the same compulsion and has the numbers connected, like always having to turn the light switch on and off 10 times before you go.
I have OCD. I am not a neat freak. All my pictures are hung crooked because Idgaf. But I do get obsessive compulsions. I describe it as being like an extreme pregnancy craving. It probably makes no sense and you have to do it or else... The incident that got me diagnosed was when out of nowhere I had to punch myself in the stomach until I couldn't feel it anymore and then start again. I felt possessed. Another time I needed a piece of chalk. Luckily I found one or else I would have been walking around town at 2am breaking into the dollar store for chalk or else having a complete nervous breakdown, but you can't perceive consequences during an episode. Its do this thing or else. Its also entirely random and unpredictable. I rarely get the same obsessive compulsion twice.
Its a horrifying scary disease. I manage it with medication and therapy and simply by having a diagnosis and being able to recognize when the OCD is talking and deciding if I'm strong enough to ignore it. I give in to little things to save my strength for big compulsions like wanting to cut my leg open.
When I was diagnosed I didn't believe it at first because all I knew was the media portrayal and it wasn't me at all. My mom even told me I probably didnt have it because my room was so messy. I do call people out for using it as a verb because it leads to people not taking it seriously or understanding it and minimizing the diagnosis.
This is just my experience with my personal flavour of OCD that is also affected by my ADHD, Psychotic Severe Depression and Extreme Anxiety disorder, which I've been in therapy for since I was 3. I was only diagnosed with OCD and ADHD when I was 17.
I'm a totally normal person, my mental illness is well managed, I have a career, graduated university with a job and great marks. You wouldn't know I was "crazy" unless I told you. I wish I was in a position to be more open because everyone I've opened up to in person has revealed their own struggles or those of a family member.
fearain · 31 points · Posted at 02:46:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If something happens to one side of my body it needs to happen to the other size. One time I accidentally gashed my finger open my touching a fan on high. I started having a panic attack until my other hand felt the exact pain. That one hurt more, so I proceeded to push the first wound until the pain was equal.
I need the same sensation on both sides. Scratching, pain, feeling; everything needs to be equal.
I thought of this when you mentioned punching yourself
Edit: spelling and grammar
citruskeptic1 · 6 points · Posted at 18:57:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm like that too, and it used to be worse when I was in elementary school. Is there a word for it?
rad2themax · 3 points · Posted at 00:08:02 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
That sounds horrible! And so scary. The worst thing for me is feeling that loss of control over your own body. Because you know what you're doing makes no sense, especially in hindsight, but it doesn't matter. It really makes you understand why people believe in demonic possession.
your-imaginaryfriend · 14 points · Posted at 01:19:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for explaining that.
nallem1 · 11 points · Posted at 04:16:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Omg thanks for this! I am actually both ADHD and OCD, diagnosed at a relatively late age for both (11 and 22) - it’s nice to happen upon someone with a similar story.
I always joke that my ADHD and OCD must go hand-in-hand because half of the time the OCD keeps me focused when I normally wouldn’t be and the ADHD distracts me from the things I tend to obsess about. It doesn’t reeeeallly work that well, but I like to pretend.
rad2themax · 2 points · Posted at 00:04:36 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've definitely felt that way, like when my OCD and the HD of the ADHD pair up I have hyperactive obsessive focus. Occasionally I'm able to harness this power for good. If you ever need to chat or rant feel free to drop a PM. :)
Murray_TAPEDTS · 3 points · Posted at 11:59:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
TIL I probably have OCPD. I always assumed it was just the obsessive thoughts that made OCD.
peoplerstranger · 10 points · Posted at 02:48:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One is axis I- can be treated with medication (OCD)
The other is Axis II personality disorder (OCPD)
The symptoms are almost the same on the outside but the root cause or source of the symptoms differs substantially, although there is of course overlap.
((And for other clinical psych’s out there- thank you for the inbox notes. I know we have switched to DSM-V. imo these questions are easier to conceptualize using the old system. Ok? Thanks.))
WellOkayyThenn · 25 points · Posted at 02:45:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It makes me ungodly angry when people try to say they're OCD because they like to organize their Skittles and that I'm not OCD cause I don't care about washing my hands every 2 seconds.
There. Are. Different. Symptoms. And. Versions. You don't know my diagnosed OCD better than my therapist or I do. Please stfu
Gryffindor123 · 2 points · Posted at 12:38:14 on February 6, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone who has OCPD, thank you for making this point!
whatxever · 1 points · Posted at 15:14:24 on February 22, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh, the OCD thing is so obnoxious. My mom continually says it, even though I have corrected her since the day I figured out what OCD really is. It seems to be more popular of an expression for people upwards of 40, not really sure why. I remember hearing/using it a lot as a kid in school, but it seems like everyone else in my generation, like me, has figured out how insensitive and inaccurate it is by now. Perhaps the internet is a factor in that. Regardless, I don't get what's so hard about permanently replacing "OCD" in your vocabulary with "obsessive compulsive" or even "OC" if you like acronyms so much. A mental illness =/= quirkiness
Maslover51 · 28 points · Posted at 23:54:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This always gets me. I have a cousin with DID and I’m diagnosed as schizophrenic. Before either of us showed symptoms or anything I thought it was the same thing.
bumblebeans · 14 points · Posted at 01:28:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Until my sister was diagnosed with DID, I didn't know the difference. So I studied it afterwards. They're night and day different, so I'm not sure now why it's so confusing. But it is.
DukeBerith · 7 points · Posted at 02:57:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blame Hollywood writers
TheFalseProphet666 · 4 points · Posted at 03:34:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Doesn't it have something to do with schizophrenia meaning something like split mind?
re_Claire · 1 points · Posted at 11:54:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, they’re really different in terms of symptoms.
TheFalseProphet666 · 1 points · Posted at 12:01:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know that, but I've heard that's where the misconception that they're the same comes from
re_Claire · 2 points · Posted at 12:02:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ohh I see where you're coming from! Sorry
BuyThisVacuum1 · 28 points · Posted at 00:09:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. My brother-in-law has schizophrenia, and he's just an asshole. Not multiple assholes.
coiledsexualpower · 7 points · Posted at 02:53:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Imagine if he had DID though. He might only be an asshole half of the time.
CrankrMan · 5 points · Posted at 05:06:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or an asshole twice as many times! Wait that's not this works ...
judginurrelationship · 1 points · Posted at 21:34:34 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or be 8 different flavours of asshole.
kxp410 · 18 points · Posted at 00:31:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You are so right! I've had multiple people, one a school counselor, refer to my daughter's artwork as a refection of her multiple personalities. (She has paranoid schizophrenia).
bugbugbug3719 · 14 points · Posted at 01:01:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It doesn't help that in my mother tongue, schizophrenia is translated to sound like 'mind splitting symptom'.
caseyjosephine · 15 points · Posted at 02:34:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s actually the original meaning of the scientific term: it literally means “split mind.”
However, the name shouldn’t be taken to mean split personality. Schizophrenia is a disorder that leads to a break from reality, and the split refers to a break in normal mental functioning.
Snowpossum · 12 points · Posted at 18:12:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is it associated with?
mrsworser · 145 points · Posted at 20:28:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don’t really understand your question but I’ll throw this out there.
They’re two completely different disorders. A professor, eons ago when I was still in college, phrased it this way: “Schizophrenia is the shattering of the world, a terrifying living nightmare; the person retains their sense of self but now have this broken world ( it appears broken due to delusions, paranoia, illogical thought processes) around them to navigate. DID is the shattering of the person; to them the world is consistent and logical, but their identity, memories, and personal experiences are shattered into fragments; the person is now a collection of fragments and mismatched pieces trying to cooperate (or not) together.”
NameThatBurner · 56 points · Posted at 22:11:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I burst into tears when I read your explanation.
Have paranoid schizophrenia.
Not a bad case. Not yet. But I have more episodes as I get older. I have arrangements for a friend to put me on a lead based diet if I get too bad. Worse, I have to occasionally ask her about it to make sure I did make those arrangements, and didn't just think I did.
The world isn't a terrifying nightmare all the time. Only when I think about it. Some part of me is still convinced I'm not from here. I'm from some other dimension or galaxy or whatever convoluted combination I come up with on occasion. And get this, I've intentionally locked away my abilities to understand what I am, and get home, because if I do, something terrible will happen. So either I'm sick...or I've crippled the living god in my mind to be stuck here anyway. Either way, it means I have to be here, and act normal.
And that's why I'm not bad enough that I have to take the drugs.
nathalierachael · 14 points · Posted at 23:25:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m so sorry :(. In my opinion schizophrenia is the most tragic mental illness. Have you had any luck with any antipsychotics?
Edit- I’m sorry, I obviously read your comment way too quickly. Well I wish you luck and I hope you will be able to continue functioning well without them, because I know the side effects can be rough. The good news is that as the new ones comes out they have more tolerable side effects.
psychoopiates · 8 points · Posted at 03:37:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have schizophrenia too, and there's an injection that does wonders, however it's very expensive($1500) and unless you have pristine health insurance it's hard to get covered for more than a few months. Luckily, I'm Canadian and I have really good insurance through a program in my province, so my total of $1800 a month in medicine is covered 100% and they give me about $500 a month to cover living costs as well.
All together, my life is pretty decent, I have family that can help support me, but my sister is a bit of a crazy bitch and makes life harder. The injection has minimal side effects besides the normal memory problems that come with dopamine inhibitors.
nathalierachael · 1 points · Posted at 17:12:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What drug is the injection? Some of them come in pill form too.
I’m so glad to hear you found a med that helps you!
psychoopiates · 2 points · Posted at 16:40:42 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm on the invega sustenna injection, and it treats a lot of positive and negative symptoms. The main downside is short and long term memory problems, which also contribute to keeping a job hard. I was on a bunch of different pills for a long time before we tried the once a month injection(because it was so expensive), but once we tried it my old psychiatrist filled out a bunch of forms to get it covered with my old insurance and the insurance I'm on now covers 100% of any medication.
mrsworser · 1 points · Posted at 19:43:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There’s a few. Haldol, invega i think
not_a_mutant · 7 points · Posted at 02:12:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a different person, but I also have schizophrenia. It's well controlled by an anti psychotic that doesn't cause any unpleasant side effects for me. It's not a hopeless situation :)
nathalierachael · 1 points · Posted at 17:14:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing your experience- it’s great to hear that you’re doing so well on your meds!
NameThatBurner · 1 points · Posted at 18:02:27 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you.
I think I'm just a little too burned out on experimental stuff though. And honestly, that's what a lot of it is. There's such a limited test group, that basically everyone is a test subject.
[deleted] · 14 points · Posted at 00:06:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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NameThatBurner · 1 points · Posted at 17:29:34 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
A bullet.
OverlordSheepie · 5 points · Posted at 00:15:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I relate so much to that. I don’t know if I have schizophrenia (I doubt it since it’s so rare and I don’t get hallucinations) but I can completely feel you. I’ve managed to keep things controlled so it doesn’t look “bad enough” to have to take antipsychotics.
not_a_mutant · 6 points · Posted at 02:24:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have schizophrenia and figuring it out can be hard. If you don't have hallucinations I wouldn't worry, but take note of anything you can't logically explain. For me it was weird knocking from under the floor boards. I've had it since I was a toddler though, if you suddenly develop it you would probably notice quickly.
OverlordSheepie · 3 points · Posted at 02:33:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sometimes I can hear my name when people have conversations in a busy area but I chalk it up to a lot of noise I can’t understand. I hear noises sometimes but I think not everyone can explain noises they hear. I don’t know, I don’t really talk about how I think because people make fun of me or something. I don’t want to sound like an attention-seeker anyways, but I wish there was an explanation.
NameThatBurner · 2 points · Posted at 17:35:00 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Get checked. Talk to a Doc. I understand you think there might be comfort in not knowing, but there really isn't. And talking through the things running through your head with a professional will really help you realize what a hard left turn your brain has taken. You get it's not normal. You'll understand you might need a bit of help.
Also, please don't be afraid of medication. If you're worried they will "change you", the answer is yes. You wont be sick, anymore. And you will not lament that loss of the sickness when it's gone. The idea that you would do that is the sickness.
I avoid meds for a host of reasons that involve my job and GI issues. Practical things. At this point, if there were a pill that made me happy, but also shot blood out of my eyes and my limbs fell off, I still might take it.
judginurrelationship · 2 points · Posted at 21:38:58 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Schizophrenia is not as rare as you think, and I know quite a few schizophrenics who don't hallucinate.
[deleted] · 43 points · Posted at 21:54:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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mrsworser · 2 points · Posted at 22:39:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like, how high is he. The hell answer goes there, brains? Mental illness is in the mental parts.
aqqalachia · 2 points · Posted at 23:00:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
the question may be asking about comorbidity.
mrsworser · 2 points · Posted at 23:03:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I took it the opposite way. If pop culture portrays them as interchangeable but they aren’t associated, then what is the association? To me that question still doesn’t make sense. They’re not related sooooo.... they’re still not related.
aqqalachia · 2 points · Posted at 23:05:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
ahh, okay. that's a possible interpretation for sure.
mrsworser · 8 points · Posted at 23:17:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I guess maybe the other interpretation of the question could be ‘Then why are they commonly associated?’ Then my answer would’ve been because sensationalized mental illness makes money off of people watching films/tv.
Working in this field so long makes the correlation between schizophrenia and DID seem as absurd as a house burning down having something to do with or being confused for having diabetes.
SaltMineForeman · 17 points · Posted at 21:38:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
From what I understand, it's a created coping mechanism usually due to childhood trauma whereas schizophrenia is a degenerative disease.
MooseFlyer · 23 points · Posted at 22:03:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They also just don't have particularly similar symptoms.
SaltMineForeman · 5 points · Posted at 23:08:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well that too, but they specifically asked what it is associated with.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 23:39:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Schizophrenia isn't necessarily degenerative, from my understanding.
It is chronic.. but also there is a trend where some people do tend to get a bit better in their later years.
SaltMineForeman · 1 points · Posted at 13:30:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Huh, I didn't know that. Thanks.
guaca_molly · 3 points · Posted at 06:12:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dated a guy who had schizophrenia and everyone thought they were so smart by thinking they knew what it was when they thought it was "multiple personalities".
Kody02 · 4 points · Posted at 23:02:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thought it's often used (very incorrectly) as a synonym for bipolar?
PokefanCyrus · 2 points · Posted at 00:33:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm
Source: am schizophrenic
WadeEffingWilson · 2 points · Posted at 04:40:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Personally, I chalk that intentional misinformation up to the same reasoning they still show doctors on TV/movies using a defibrillator to start someone's heart.
My undergrad was focused in abnormal psychology and I worked with schizotypal disorders and one that was "diagnosed" as having DID, though that was pre-DSM-V, so who knows. I think the common confusion is that schizophrenia means "split mind" and people assume that coincides with split personalities, or Dissociative Identity Disorder. Abnormal psychology and the study of schizotypal disorders, especially delineating via differential with similar disorders can be a bit much for the average layman. However, it's not difficult to understand what the difference between v-fib and sinus rhythm is and why defibrillators/AEDs are used.
Just my thoughts.
sisterfunkhaus · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of people confuse it with bipolar disorder as well.
WellOkayyThenn · 1 points · Posted at 02:50:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you remember how many I's you have in your username for when you sign in?
SauronOMordor · 2635 points · Posted at 15:28:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, a severe misunderstanding aboit what DID actually is.
SearchingforSilky · 293 points · Posted at 21:19:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Piggy backing on this, I have a somewhat unique perspective. I worked for a long time as a disability attorney. My job was to prove to the federal government someone couldn't work. In this context, that required proving that DID effectively prevented them from working. I had three clients with DID as an alleged impairment. Only one of them was even close. I had very long, detailed conversations with their multi-year psychiatrist regarding their diagnoses, and DID in general.
The upshot of all of that is that he had not officially given them the diagnosis of DID, and that he had never given that diagnosis in his 30 year career. He did say that they were the closest he had ever come to providing the DID diagnosis.
His view, and I think its rather widely shared, is that most often a DID diagnosis is in actuality a different dissociative disorder, or a dissociative disorder paired with another personality disorder. For example, someone could easily have a complex cluster B personality disorder and a dissociative disorder and as a result create alters that exhibited during their dissociative periods. This is completely distinct from what the DID diagnosis actually requires (that the person exchange control between alters even at non-dissociative times).
This is not to say that those people are not suffering, just that they are suffering from a distinct and complex set of disorders which do not amount to DID. I think this jives with the bulk of the research I did, and the actual rarity of the disorder. I do believe that a lot of practitioners like to diagnose DID because its exciting, and they aren't invested in truly getting to the root cause of a persons symptoms.
In case anyone wants to know, my client got a bad judge, and did not win. Although, I found them to be quite credible.
TL;DR: Psych I talked to for a long time convinced me that most other psych's improperly diagnose DID when in actuality, its a lesser dissociative disorder paired with another disorder.
EDIT: Changed to non-gendered pronouns
See_batman · 73 points · Posted at 23:46:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad worked in emergency psychiatric services, so he got a lot of people at the height of their psychosis, and he firmly believed that DID wasn’t a real thing. Especially the way it’s portrayed in media, as something with multiple strong personalities that take over the body for their own use. He did say that he met a lot of people who believed they had it, just never anyone that was able to fully convince him of their validity.
MatttheBruinsfan · 13 points · Posted at 02:31:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I carpooled to school with a girl who was diagnosed with DID. While I can't claim to be in the know about what was going on in her life, I never saw any behavior that would make me think alters were involved rather than something like bipolar disorder or another mood disorder.
proverbialbunny · 9 points · Posted at 00:26:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That might be because just about anyone with DID isn't going to be 5150ed for DID. The reason for this is DID is DID has to manually be constructed by choice. This leaves many with DID not seeking urgent help. Many will seek therapeutic help though.
What is even more interesting about DID, is it spreads like a meme. You have to know someone with DID, watch videos of someone with it, read an awful lot about it, or study it's roots (tulpas and similar) or you're going to have a very hard time getting it. It might even be impossible to get individually as it is a learned thought pattern. So much so, the original cases and recordings of multiple personalities in therapy came from a therapist poking around asking leading questions to a kid who wanted attention. This lead to a semi faked multiple personality disorder, but it was so interesting news got out, then other kids and adults tried copying that out of interest. Or at least that is the suspected history. This information comes from pre internet psychology textbooks, so who knows how valid the information is.
lxacke · 41 points · Posted at 01:03:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was diagnosed with DID. Except it's nothing at all like the movies and anyone who claims to have "alters" is lying.
It's a cognitive thing. Because of trauma in my childhood, I react to things like a 3yo sometimes. Like, I'll get angry or sad and abosultely nothing can snap me out of it until it just goes away on it's own. Think of a grown woman having a tantrum except she can't stop herself no matter how much she wants to.
The thing is, nobody seems to understand that it's not just a personality thing: it affects my balance, concerntration, even my grip sometimes. I also have a difficult time with judging distance.
It's literally nothing at all like being a different person: more like having one emotion completely take over your brain, but you're aware of it and it's still you. You just can't stop it. It's not all that different from a depressed person being an asshole when they don't want to...
proverbialbunny · 39 points · Posted at 01:52:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Huh. That sounds like borderline, which is a disorder often mistaken for DID.
Source: I have a history with borderline and have a history with symptoms like what you're describing. I also know a handful DID individuals and none of them have the symptoms you're describing. (Though that doesn't make you DID or not DID.)
I'm sorry to hear you have to deal with such hell. With correct knowledge and help both borderline and DID are treatable and curable.
Brennyburger · 25 points · Posted at 02:30:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I was diagnosed with DID and anybody who has different symptoms is lying or wrong". Really? What you described doesn't sound like DID.
WatcherOfDogs · 13 points · Posted at 04:57:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, this is pretty similar to the definition of DID I received from an AP course I did online. Typically, DID is actually caused by early life trauma, where the individual creates a personality to take the hits of the trauma, and the other personality is their "real" one. In that way, DID actually disappears after entering around 20-30 years of age (but can go away earlier), and the trauma personality eventually disappears. The trauma personality is usually remarked as being anti-social, shy, and neurotic (I think that's the right terminology), while the new personality can be extroverted and potentially narcissistic, as well as acting childish. Ironically, the stress usually comes from the real personality appearing, and can cause mental instability and difficulty interacting with others. It is usually for the best for the original personality to consume the trauma one, as it can cause.
While u/lxacke has a fairly unique case, considering the circumstances of her diagnosis, it seems to be true. It's very interesting that her trauma personality is the more "immature" one, but I imagine that the personality was adopted at a very young age and then quickly dropped after trauma subsumed, but would be adopted again during moments of intense stress. The neurological aspects is also incredibly interesting. Technically speaking, DID is really just a person having an improper response to stress.
u/proverbialbunny is also speaking the truth, as during the very first diagnosis of DID, when it was thought to be a disorder where people adopt multiple personalities, the amount of did diagnoses skyrocketed! However, many regard the first diagnosis to be bunk, and all of the following diagnoses to be hysterical or misdiagnoses. It still has the potential to exist, but it would be more of a person tricking themselves into thinking they have multiple personalities, or they are a sociopath or Bipolar. Nonetheless, DID is still a highly controversial and indefinite disorder, which are traits it shares with the rest of psychology. Who would have thought that compartmentalizing and understanding the mind and all of its faculties would be so debatable!
It should also be noted that psychology doesn't actually have static or shared definitions for Disorders and their ilk. The closest thing is the DSM, but that changes every ten years and receives revisions, so arguing about the semantics of defining disorders is just plain pedantic.
Sorry for the text dump, but psychology is a side-passion I have and I LOVE talking about it. If you are at all fascinated by anything I've said, or want to go on rage-fueled yet well-informed tirades in the comments of online forums, I'd recommend the 7-part course I took on this, AP Psychology on the website EdX. It's completely free (it gives you a pdf of its textbook at the beginning of each section), but you can spend money to have the course verified.
TL;DR: Dissociative Identity Disorder kind of doesn't exist, you would be surprised how much the mind could convince itself of something, and all of our understanding of psychology will likely be disproven in a few decades, so arguing the semantics of psychological terms is like wondering if water is wet. Also take the 7-part AP Psychology course on the website EdX, if you want.
Brennyburger · 7 points · Posted at 08:59:00 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I realise you probably didn't intend it, but you came off a little condescending. Probably because you told me a bunch of stuff I already know, but you couldn't have known that I know. So unfortunately I probably will now sound condescending in response. That's not my intention. I did study Psych at university. I have close experience with people with DID, and have discussed it at length with several Complex post-traumatic stress disorder specialists. I agree that the behaviour described does sound, on the surface, like the possible behaviour of somebody with DID, I meant more the "nothing at all like being another person", "one emotion taking over the brain" and "a depressed person being an asshole" comments. In hindsight, some parts of her description make sense, and some don't. "Being aware of it" isn't strictly true either, thus it being "dissociative". It sounds like maybe this woman was diagnosed with DID by a doctor who believes in it, then rediagnosed by a doctor who doesn't. Both of you have made very specific descriptions of something with a very wide set of possible expressions. To correct something you said, in a lot of cases I've come across, the trauma has occurred in early childhood, but the presentation of the DID hasn't actually became apparent until adulthood, let alone disappearing by then. The core personality has remained a functioning person while the trauma was compartmentalised. Your description of a trauma personality is specific when it shouldn't be. Many sufferers have a variety of alters with differing behaviours attached to different traumatic experiences. Anyway, I can agree that there seem to be lots of false disagnoses of the disorder, by people who only exhibit the symptoms after being told what they are, but I've also seen somebody completely unaware of DID describe and display textbook behaviours of it. And there are cases of physiological changes being recorded when "alters" appear, that couldn't be under voluntary control by the patient, so it's frustrating to see somebody say that "people with alters are lying". Anyway, I believe that it is a legitimate disorder, that's arguably overdiagnosed or even created by a misdiagnosis.
WatcherOfDogs · 3 points · Posted at 09:11:43 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sorry this is late. I don't find it condescending at all, and sorry if I came off as that. I didn't mean to step on your toes, I just assumed that from what was described, that it would be feasible for the user to actually have the disorder. Evidently however, you are more educated on the topic, so you probably know. I didn't know that both "interpretations" of DID were as misdiagnosed as it had appeared. Although, because the description of the disorder is pretty loose from what I've seen, it would make a lot of sense. Again, sorry for being condescending, psychology is more of a hobby for me than anything, and I just like discussing it and sharing what I know.
Brennyburger · 2 points · Posted at 10:27:38 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
No no, I was initially much more dismissive than I ought to have been. DID is a contentious topic. I'm not even sure what I would change about the diagnostic criteria, what I think does or doesn't fall under the net of DID. It's all very tricky, and I don't have good answers. I do believe that it's a real disorder though, just with very blurred edges.
amberk250 · 3 points · Posted at 02:01:48 on February 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
Umm yeah this is not true. True DID patients do not often know they have and it is often picked up on by the clinician over a period of time or during a psychotic break. There is a significant correlation between extreme cases of childhood abuse and DID. Many clinicians believe the development of DID is a coping mechanism.
proverbialbunny · 1 points · Posted at 03:20:57 on February 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
DID or dissociation?
Solongnogo · 6 points · Posted at 02:02:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. When you're considering a diagnosis of DID you can almost always find a therapist in the person's past who trained under the group who originally started diagnosing it. It's meme-like spread doesn't make it an invalid disease, it just makes the condition more interesting
proverbialbunny · 3 points · Posted at 02:21:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Absolutely!
Honestly, I figured I'd get downvoted. I think you nailed one of the three reasons why the comment would be downvoted.
MatttheBruinsfan · 2 points · Posted at 02:33:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hmm, it sounds very similar to what I've seen and read about that Morgellons phenomenon.
proverbialbunny · 1 points · Posted at 10:57:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I google it I get Morgellons Disease. What is Morgellons phenomenon?
MatttheBruinsfan · 4 points · Posted at 00:15:00 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
People suffering the delusion that they have Morgellons Disease, forming support groups, and reinforcing other people's delusion that they have such a disease.
proverbialbunny · 1 points · Posted at 16:51:42 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
A skin disease? https://www.mayoclinic.org/morgellons-disease/art-20044996
MatttheBruinsfan · 7 points · Posted at 21:34:49 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
It seems consensus among experts is it's delusional parasitosis that makes people think they have a skin disease or infestation.
TLema · 3 points · Posted at 00:32:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you so much for writing this out. It's so interesting.
heapsp · -66 points · Posted at 22:47:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I looked at the SSI website and it turns out im eligible for like 3k a month in benefits if i can become disabled. What is the easiest path to this? I heard faking a mental illness isn't the way to go.. should i fake a head injury and pretend to not remember things? Cut off my own leg?
KittySqueaks · 87 points · Posted at 22:51:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You could, you know, not.
AWESOM488 · 62 points · Posted at 23:22:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well if you actually cut off your own leg then you might legitimately qualify for mental disability
petlahk · 15 points · Posted at 23:13:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Look. I know we Americans are getting pretty desperate. But, you'd probably get sentenced for fraud. :/
DaughterEarth · 6 points · Posted at 23:32:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd look in to it deeper. It's definitely not a case where people just get handed money. Usually that pays out of something you have already been paying in to, or is covered by some sort of insurance (which I guess falls in that first group so now I'm redundant).
heapsp · -2 points · Posted at 23:40:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have been paying into it for years, thats the point!
SearchingforSilky · 2 points · Posted at 01:09:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on age and work history. I don't believe the 3k monthly. You'd be maxing out the recovery (at like $2700). In that case, you have a high paying job and should probably just keep working.
heapsp · 1 points · Posted at 12:55:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah it was 2700, you are right.
1111_11111_111111 · 1 points · Posted at 03:37:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kek
_grandmaesterflash · 0 points · Posted at 00:11:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Must hurt self ... must hurt self ....
[deleted] · -12 points · Posted at 23:45:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is "it"? What is this thing you're referring to? There isn't even an abnormal observation to explain that demands another explanation. Just a bunch of people who make crazy claims about themselves, following a popular myth, based on an old book called Sybil. Why would your psychologist have an explanation for this specific ridiculous claim? What about someone who is convinced that bad luck occurs to them every full moon? Do we need any sort of science to dismiss this unscientific claim? There shouldn't be scientific efforts where there is no observation that warrants scientific explanation. "Identity" hasn't been scientifically proven to be "dissociative" (whatever these terms mean when it comes to measurability). So there is really nothing left to be explained. All around the globe, people make crazy claims about psychology, embedded in the local myths and culture.
daErdnase · 12 points · Posted at 00:28:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You have a very strict definition of „unscientific claims“ that don‘t „require science“. And yes, there are phenomena in DID that can be scientifically studied, for example blindness in one but not the other personality (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17611729/). There are also fMRI activation differences between actors imitating different personalities and DID states. Finally, the general hypothesis of DID as a late type-2 trauma compensatory mechanism, does have face validity to me. I find this worth investigating.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 03:01:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You really couldn't find evidence more substantial than that?
daErdnase · 1 points · Posted at 15:05:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It‘s not that there is a massive research effort invested into the subject. It is quite an interesting observation on its own, which is actually pretty unique: the paper reports intermittent (!) cortical blindness depending on a psychological phenomenon. Also, my statement to not dismiss this research is independent of claims wrt prevalence.
[deleted] · -2 points · Posted at 02:51:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There is zero confirmed reports of trauma associated with DID. It's make believe.
Ricketycrick · 0 points · Posted at 01:12:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like the way you think. One thing I want to tell you about though that changed my thinking slightly from what is quite similar to yours. There's a case of a boy with multiple personalities and only one is allergic to nuts. In any case he can eat nuts and be fine, but if he eats nuts during a certain personality, or if the personality appears while he's eating the nuts, he'll have a full blown allergic reaction.
Besides that everyone has "multiple personalities" most people who claim to have a disorder are just depressed people who freak out when they occasionally have a good day. Or depressed people who want to be unique.
TaylorS1986 · 77 points · Posted at 22:11:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A big source of the ignorance surrounding this is the old name for the disorder, "Multiple personality disorder". My understanding is that DID at it's core is an extreme form of dissociation and mental compartmentalization, usually caused by extreme continuous childhood trauma like physical and sexual abuse. Most people with DID aren't like the highly sensationalized cases (at least some of which, IIRC, were exaggerated or were outright hoaxes) where you had multiple complete "personalities".
SoaDMTGguy · 4 points · Posted at 20:36:42 on February 21, 2018 · (Permalink)
My girlfriend has DID, and she definitely had multiple personalities. Usually her alts would come out at random times and do things they wanted to do, but she could also "go get them" on command (at least with me). It was trippy. It was all part of her coping with trauma as a child, so each "alt" was "created" to deal with some aspect of that trauma, and each would have some repressed memories that she wasn't aware of, but they could share with me.
When she'd come back (her alt's could be asked to go away, too), she'd have no memory of the conversation I'd just had with her alt. Sometimes I'd have to play telephone tag to find out why one of her alts was causing problems.
For doubters: All I can say is, if she was consciously "faking" it, it was the greatest con job I've ever seen. I'm pretty skeptical about this sort of thing, but I was definitely sold.
PassivePandas · 277 points · Posted at 17:41:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The movie split. Just further stigmatizes DID and makes people scared of those who have this disorder.
Caramellatteistasty · 87 points · Posted at 21:34:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And that all people that have lived through childhood abuse grow up to be killers or weirdos with tin foil hats.
loki1887 · 102 points · Posted at 22:02:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There was that statistic going around for years pushed by media like Law and Order: SVU, that 80% of childhood victims of sexual abuse with grow to sexually abuse children as well.
It's a pretty fucked up thing for a kid to hear. "A monster hurt you and you're going to be a monster, too."
It's also hard to pin down where this statistic originated from but some many place in media are quick to repeat it.
padraigus · 133 points · Posted at 22:16:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I always thought it was 80% (or whatever) of sexual abusers were sexually abused.
Not 80% of the abused would become abusers.
senhoritapistachio · 39 points · Posted at 22:20:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's this.
loki1887 · 11 points · Posted at 22:44:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which many people will still read the way I put it. I distinctly remember a SVU episode where a piano teacher had been abusing one of his students for years and with the help of the now teenager they put the guy away. But, what do you know? The find video of the kid abusing younger kids. They specifically cite the 80% statistic in this episode. Thats the kind of non sense I'm talking about.
padraigus · 40 points · Posted at 23:10:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I get what you mean.
But the two statistics i quoted have significantly different impacts.
Id hope the statistic of many abusers having been abused would strongly illustrate to society the need to fully support victims, not demonise them.
Empty-Mind · 5 points · Posted at 00:56:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately you are assuming that the average person understands statistics and gets the critical distinction that you are, 100% correctly, making.
lejohanofNWC · 4 points · Posted at 02:21:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is pretty pedantic but, it's a logical misunderstanding not a statistical, one right? People get that it's 80% of a population, but don't realize it's the population of abusers not population of abused that are being referred to.
Empty-Mind · 1 points · Posted at 02:31:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I guess you cpukd argue its a misunderstanding of how to interpret the statistics, as opposed to a misunderstanding of statistics itself. But I would argue that that sort of problemis caused by a lack of statistics comprehension, so while the fallacy is technically a logical one, it persists because of poor math skills.
lejohanofNWC · 1 points · Posted at 02:52:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see your point of view and I respect it, but I'm going to have to stand by my own.
loki1887 · 5 points · Posted at 23:27:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm fully with you on that.
savagestarshine · 6 points · Posted at 21:52:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
except for the main chick.
Throwawaydreams101 · 8 points · Posted at 22:20:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which firstly, I think is kinda good. Think about it; every superhero movie, main guy/girl is always the good guy despite his/her past. And most people aspire to be the main guy/chick (i.e a superhero)
And secondly, law and order points out the fact that a lot of people aren't alone; victims can channel their childhood abuse in a negative way, it's like a cycle. However, its something a lot of people can get help with, which the show exemplifies. It's shows a lot. So I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that they made this specific show this way
savagestarshine · 3 points · Posted at 22:30:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
agreed, i was pointing out the flaw in the guy above's argument.
don't know what law & order has to do with the movie split though.
Throwawaydreams101 · 3 points · Posted at 01:56:56 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just like law and order mate :)
InnovAsians · 45 points · Posted at 22:17:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He changes personalities and starts crawling on the walls and tanking shotgun blasts to the chest.
I'm about 100% sure people who enjoyed split don't believe people with DID will start turning inro literal super villains.
PassivePandas · 6 points · Posted at 09:05:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I know that. The issue is that some people truly don't have any understanding of disorders and don't tend to critically think, so they will assume that's what DID is like. I get that most people know that's not an accurate representation, but stigma around mental illnesses in general jut strikes a chord with me based on my experiences.
Rodmeister36 · 56 points · Posted at 21:24:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
its not really DID, i think he actually has those people inside him. it's not that far fetched in the unbreakable universe
Levitlame · 14 points · Posted at 23:29:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't even get me started on that one! It just stigmatizes people that cause major catastrophes in order to isolate humans with supernatural abilities due a lifetime of feeling small due to physical frailties which for some reason makes him/her a super-villain. It's just so unfair.
Rodmeister36 · 1 points · Posted at 23:35:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol that's true
Aluushka · 69 points · Posted at 21:26:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No one who has actually seen the movie thinks that. Spoiler: it's not DID, at least not as it could possibly be in real life
mylesfrost335 · 0 points · Posted at 21:44:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw the movie and i think that ( although i am ignorant as i havent actually done any research into it)
Aluushka · 43 points · Posted at 22:05:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In the movie he becomes an inhuman creature, it was never a mental illness at all.
tigerbnny · 7 points · Posted at 22:17:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
but isn't the point that the psychiatrist is pushing how in DID people change physically? (i am also ignorant and don't know if that's an actual thing or not)
Aluushka · 20 points · Posted at 22:35:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's been a while since I watched it, but I think he was talking about mannerisms and physical abilities, not physical appearance. But regardless, it was the creation of a supervillain, not in any way an accurate or even physically possible depiction of a real human being.
inside-us-only-stars · 0 points · Posted at 02:40:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Still stigmatizing though. Imagine if they made a movie with a villain named Super-Depression-Man who could kill people by infecting them with his depression. It's not a great look.
Aluushka · 0 points · Posted at 03:49:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not the same though. One of his personalities turned him into something inhuman, something only possible in the world of fiction. No rational human being is going to see that and think "this is what really happens when someone has DID." Just like no rational human thinks getting bit by a spider or exposed to toxic sludge will give them super powers. If you can figure out that mental illness doesn't give you superhuman abilities like the movie portrays, you should be able to figure out that the rest might not be that accurate either. Split is an origin story for a super villain, not a documentary on mental illness.
No_Scoped_JFK · 19 points · Posted at 21:28:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My name is Hedwig, and I have red socks. :D
BlackCrowRises · 37 points · Posted at 21:48:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How does this comment have so many upvotes. It's a fuckin movie where one of his personalities makes his skin bulletproof for fucks sake.
NTripleOne · 24 points · Posted at 22:03:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
welcome to reddit, where everyone knows absolutely nothing about what's being
discusseddemonised.PassivePandas · 2 points · Posted at 09:12:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People agree with the general idea of the statement. I'm more so ranting about stigma behind disorders like DID. Split was just the first thing that came to mind.
Bearded_Wildcard · 1 points · Posted at 16:59:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Technically The Beast wasn't one of his personalities. The Beast was an amalgamation of all of his personalities work together to physically change his body.
FunkyardDogg · 10 points · Posted at 22:44:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was going to mention this in my comment below as a specific example.
My wife has a background in mental health and social work and virtually every single depiction of DID on TV and in films (specifically Split as an example) is met with an exhausted and frustrated series of comments and questions about how (and/or why) the writers could have f***ed up the DID representation so severely.
nikkitgirl · 3 points · Posted at 04:59:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I know someone with it. All of the personalities are super kind and friendly, as well as being very smart and hardworking. If you didn’t know about the DID you’d just assume they were really likable triplets.
save_thefox · 10 points · Posted at 20:37:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone with a dissociative disorder, explaining why I wouldn’t watch that movie with them was a bit of an ordeal, apparently the fact that it’s magic or some shit makes it better.
Rodmeister36 · 23 points · Posted at 21:26:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
doesnt it though? i dont think he's suffering from mental illness. i think its the beast doing it to him. and bruce willis is gonna fight him in the next one
friendsareshit · 16 points · Posted at 22:49:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, it doesn't really make it better. The plot twist is that he's not really mentally ill, he's a monster, gotcha! But the issue with that is they portray him as having DID, so before you know he's a monster/supernatural creature/whatever, you're thinking that oh, a person with DID would kidnap and hurt people. A mindset that has already been perpetuated by things like Law & Order and similar media that is infatuated with the idea of one of the alters being a serial killer and the core having no idea. It's not cool, and it's a harmful stereotype. Not to even mention M Night's blatant obsession with mentally ill people being the bad guys in his films.
Rodmeister36 · 0 points · Posted at 23:28:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
but the point is initially he displayed signs he was to his therapist. but after a while you realise that somethings up, outside of that assumption. i get why you wouldn't want to see it. but it's pretty obvious that the guy doesn't have DID. nobody who watched the movie to the end would think that a regular person with a mental illness would do that. they just get way too crazy at the end to think otherwise. i think the movie did a good job of convincing you he had a mental illness until he started doing crazy shit that just sets him up as a supervillan in the next movie
oldchew · -2 points · Posted at 03:00:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone who has suffered from DP/DR, who gives a fuck its a god damn movie.
And multiple personality disorder isnt real.
Irouquois_Pliskin · 4 points · Posted at 04:04:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey guess what? Psychological science disagrees with what you believe to be real, and I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about the topic than you do, maybe do some looking before you decide to just proclaim things like that.
oldchew · 2 points · Posted at 05:42:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most research tends to point to that fact that DID does not actual exist. Most patients get diagnosed not because they actually have multiple personalities, but that they believe they do and it still interferes with their life
Doogleyboogley · -28 points · Posted at 21:27:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But it's got 'famous' people in it. And we all go giddy and get jelly legs when we see or hear 'celebrity's
presidentofgallifrey · 13 points · Posted at 19:57:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh I refused to watch that or anything else like it because as a therapist who works frequently with dissociative disorders (comes with doing complex trauma work) it enrages me. One time a former roommate thought I was getting into a fight with someone on the phone and I was just ranting at the TV because of a DID portrayal.
j2o1707 · 21 points · Posted at 21:44:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not a portrayal of DID, but I think it's catered to the audience to look like that as its something people know of.
Again though, it's isn't a mental illness. It's more supernatural in a sense. Definitely worth a watch if you enjoyed unbreakable, which is similar. (also yes I know, please don't reply to my comment with spoilers anyone)
presidentofgallifrey · 12 points · Posted at 21:53:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've heard that more recently and at some point I may watch it. However I also still haven't forgiven Shamalan for Airbender so there's also that lol ☺
Science_Smartass · 13 points · Posted at 21:59:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ok, that reason is completely understandable.
j2o1707 · 3 points · Posted at 22:02:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can't argue with that.
droppinkn0wledge · 7 points · Posted at 22:25:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As an actual former MH therapist, this post is perfect for /r/thathappened
presidentofgallifrey · 3 points · Posted at 00:03:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
To hear him retelling I was clutching my DSM and sobbing dramatically 😅 but yeah it does sound a bit /r/thathappened for sure
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you watch Silicon Valley on HBO? Someone with DID posted on that sub that the character of Jared well-depicted their experience and I'm so curious to hear if that checks out.
presidentofgallifrey · 2 points · Posted at 03:16:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven't heard of that but I'm glad to hear it was accurate! Representation matters and I would love to see more accurate portrayal of mental health (the two best I've seen were for trauma/PTSD - the 9th Doctor in Doctor Who and Jessica Jones. The 3rd Ironman movie also did a good job of showing trauma responses)
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 06:21:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So I'm told -- I have BPD personally, but have come to approach it using the structural dissociation model. The character of Jared has a (comedicly exaggerated) chronic trauma history, and I noticed a lot of dissociative symptoms in him that I recognized. Then last season they seem to have had him cross over into DID. He's an incredibly sweet and lovable character and it's been nice to see something along the lines of my own experience portrayed sympathetically.
presidentofgallifrey · 2 points · Posted at 06:59:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Agreed. BPD has a horrible stigma attached to it - and it's not to say that it's not an easy disorder to live with or around, but in general it doesn't make someone a monster.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 07:14:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, thank you. It's also not widely known even among clinicians that there is more than one phenotype, it's the high-aggression anxious attachment one that ppl know about but it is also possible, such as in my case, to combine BPD with avoidant/dismissing attachment style which is quite a different picture.
noctivagantnotions · 2 points · Posted at 23:37:51 on April 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is a huge frustration in seeking professional help sometimes. I understand there are limitations to every professional's knowledge-set, yet overlooking or dismissing what they perceive to be identifiers without taking into account other complexities just leads to a lot of dishearteness and skepticism.
Thank you for pointing this out. Trawled through comments hoping this would be touched on.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:36:56 on April 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
The stigma is real bro.
PassivePandas · 1 points · Posted at 09:13:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's the career path I'm just getting into! That hits close to home, because I would do the exact same thing.
SauronOMordor · 14 points · Posted at 17:43:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven't watched it because I am not comfortable supporting that depiction of mental illness. Sucks because I would love to see James McAvoy play all of these different characters - he is just phenomenal! But I can't justify supporting it.
y2ketchup · 61 points · Posted at 20:31:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Spoiler: it's not mental illness . . .
ch0icestreet · 5 points · Posted at 23:43:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven’t seen the movie and don’t intend to, but I’ve seen the trailer. There are a lot of comments like yours and to be honest I think they miss the point that even if in the end the character doesn’t have DID it still frames the illness as something to be feared or considered other which it isn’t and is extremely harmful for those who experience mental illness.
oldchew · 6 points · Posted at 02:58:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh my god he's a fucking mutant superhero/villian that exists in the unbreakable universe.
Shut up
razorpigeon · 34 points · Posted at 19:20:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its an insanely good movie and its done so well in every right and I see it as the revival of Shamalan. But yeah I honestly think he should have done some sort of thing different than a real disorder.
SteveFoerster · 9 points · Posted at 21:46:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pirate it. Problem solved!
Hippie_Jew · 6 points · Posted at 21:44:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow that's a pretty ignorant statement. Like everyone else is saying it's not even DID
Guilty_Treasures · 5 points · Posted at 18:34:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Watch it on Solarmovie.
PassivePandas · -19 points · Posted at 19:56:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I downloaded it and just shut it off after a short amount of time. So far fetched and gives people the wrong idea about DID.
heisenberg15 · 39 points · Posted at 21:25:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS STOP READING IF YOU EVER WANT TO WATCH SPLIT if you get farther in the movie it’s not really a mental illness thing... he’s a super villain and it’s a villain origin story that doubles as a sequel to “Unbreakable”
SaltMineForeman · 19 points · Posted at 21:32:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Bruce Willis movie?
friendo112 · 14 points · Posted at 21:33:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yes
Rumstein · 4 points · Posted at 00:28:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kinda.
Its not really a sequel, think of them as two origin story prequels for an M Night Shyamalan hero movie coming in the next few years.
Aluushka · 20 points · Posted at 21:29:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you finished it, you would know that it gives entirely the wrong idea because he becomes some crazy creature, literally not even human. It's not just some bad depiction of DID, it's some sort of almost supernatural being.
[deleted] · -17 points · Posted at 21:53:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What it must be like to live inside the head of someone who is this triggered about a movie.... Spoiler alert it's not even about a mental illness
SauronOMordor · 22 points · Posted at 21:55:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes... so triggered... that's why I am flipping out about it and trying to get it banned based on what it seems to be about from the trailers, instead of, oh I dunno, simply choosing not to watch it myself or some other completely reasonable thing.... lol
[deleted] · -21 points · Posted at 22:02:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I am not comfortable supporting that depiction of mental illness"
What does this even mean??? You won't watch any movie that has a mentally ill character??
Which again, I'll spoil since you "can't justify watching a MOVIE": he doesn't even have a mental illness, it's a supernatural power. So have fun being upset about nothing!
SauronOMordor · 18 points · Posted at 22:25:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wh...why are you so upset? Why are you so emotionally invested in whether or not I, a random internet stranger, watch a movie?
[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 23:06:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not upset lol, just confused why you're so concerned about this movie "making you uncomfortable" to the point that you intentionally "boycotted" it for something that it's not even about lol.
God forbid you watch a movie that makes you "uncomfortable"
SauronOMordor · 19 points · Posted at 23:13:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not about the movie making me uncomfortable. It's about not being comfortable supporting a film that, by all indications from the trailers, seems to be based around a problematic portrayal of a mental illness. How mental illness is portrayed in media impacts how society views the mentally ill. Therefore, I choose to not give my money to filmmakers who I feel do a disservice to the mental health community. You keep saying it's not about mental illness - obviously that is not how it is portrayed in the trailers... the only way to know the apparent twist is to either watch the movie or be told that. And you're getting worked up with me because I made a statement about my choice not to view a particular movie because it struck me as problematic and not something I want to support. It is silly. You are being silly.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 23:17:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The person who is made uncomfortable by a fictional work is the one being silly here
lol
Stick to PG-13 movies I guess.
SauronOMordor · 3 points · Posted at 23:18:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mkay.
adognamedmoonman · 13 points · Posted at 22:22:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like they’re clearly talking about the one specific movie they decided not to watch. Honestly your reaction is a bit over the top, like you’ve got an emotional investment in if other people want to watch Split or not, and then must be rude to anyone who does not. Other replies make a good point about this movie being more than it seems without the antagonism.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 23:05:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm just dumbfounded that someone would be so worried about watching a movie when they don't even know anything about it.
dontmes6 · 4 points · Posted at 23:48:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
lmfao how do they sound worried? It sounds like they saw a trailer of the movie, thought that it was doing a disservice to the mentally ill, and ignored it.
jackduloz · -15 points · Posted at 20:32:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, I’m pretty scared of it.
PassivePandas · 1 points · Posted at 09:07:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
DID or the movie?
jackduloz · -11 points · Posted at 20:32:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Me too.
presidentofgallifrey · 45 points · Posted at 19:55:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Therapist here. I have hit the point where I flat out won't watch anything to do with it because of how it is portrayed. I've not worked with DID at this point but as I specialize in complex trauma I work with dissociation frequently. It's a spectrum, not one set thing and most people don't get it
LordBerlin · 6 points · Posted at 22:29:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would you watch Mr. Robot? As I've come to understand it, that show has a very accurate portrayal of DID (albeit with some artistic liberties)
presidentofgallifrey · 3 points · Posted at 00:04:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd consider it - I know my SO enjoys it and he's also a therapist so it has that going for it
inside-us-only-stars · 3 points · Posted at 02:49:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I watched this with my girlfriend. She works in computer science and I work in mental health. Both of us were blown away by how well-represented each of our fields were.
LordBerlin · 3 points · Posted at 03:51:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love the show, don't get me wrong, but it's too bad that this level of authenticity is considered niche
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 03:20:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you for mentioning that it is a spectrum. I have PTSD with dissociation and if I ever mention it people believe that I must never be able to function and should be on disability. Yet I plow my way through work days no problem but if the day sucked, when I leave I let myself dissociate very badly for that evening. I do have some control over my symptoms. People don't get this.
letsbemenow · 2 points · Posted at 13:03:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One problem at my job is that I have very disordered thinking so while my old boss used to occasionally let me say what I meant in my way, then focus and repeat again in English, my current boss wants everything I verbally communicate to have linear thinking. I'm not saying that's unreasonable but I am also saying that's physically impossible.
presidentofgallifrey · 1 points · Posted at 03:26:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They really don't. It's also hard to bring it up with clients sometimes for the same reason - it's a big scary word that can mean something really specific for a lot of people. I introduce it as a spectrum for that reason which tends to be helpful.
proverbialbunny · 2 points · Posted at 00:31:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are there any theories about memory compartmentalization tied emotional changes in depression and bipolar individuals?
I've long suspected studying DID and memory compartmentalization could explain other psychological disorders better, but I'm not in the field so it is just a floating idea. Do you know of any studies on this that might prove or disprove this theory?
presidentofgallifrey · 4 points · Posted at 01:57:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You know, I haven't! But it is a very interesting theory. I don't think it would be identical but it wouldn't surprise me if it had a similar pathway or mechanism in the brain. The reason I don't think it would be that disassociation typically is a result of repeated, inescapable trauma - basically, the brain decides the only thing it can do to protect itself is to completely check out. It's particularly common with childhood trauma. It's also something that, with a lot of work, can be resolved. Extreme mood shifts with bipolar disorder are due to an organic issue with the brain - basically, something is off with the wiring. This can be managed with therapy and the right medication. However, right now we don't have the ability to resolve it - bipolar disorder is a chronic illness.
proverbialbunny · 0 points · Posted at 02:15:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
*nods* Specifically, memory compartmentalization without dissociation, in a subtle way.
This theory comes from watching people with depressive episodes. When I see people depressed they can't seem to come up with positive memories of the past without some sort of help, unless the depression is mild. Even if they're aware of this phenomena, they still can't seem to do it. Yet oddly, having a person with episodes of depression write a note to their future depressed self, or having a photo of the past, can associate a memory outside of the depression, pulling them out of it.
By bridging that memory compartmentalization, I've seen depression reduced in individuals, but lacking optimistic behavior traits, lacking optimistic framing of beliefs and memories, and certain associations or triggers still pull them back into that depression.
Btw, I had a bout of psychosis from extreme anxiety and when it went away my emotions have been flat. I can feel relaxation and sadness but not much else. I forget if I've tested taking Adderall to see if I will feel anything or get any response. I tried an SSRI and an rMAOI, both to no effect on the emotions. This left me exploring depression thinking the anhedonia was depression, but this doesn't look like it. I thought it was depersonalization, but that doesn't look like it either. It's pretty hellish. Do you by any chance know of any studies or anyone who might have experience with something as rare as this? It's far more terrible than it sounds.
edit: Oh and I was abused by a narcissist, so it could be emotional numbing from that, but I don't see any signs of emotions coming back atm.
presidentofgallifrey · 1 points · Posted at 03:15:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not sure on research, but since you mentioned a trauma history I would recommend EMDR if you haven't tried it already. The tl;dr of it is it's a neurologically based therapy that helps to clear out and rewire the parts of the brain that store our negative thoughts and traumas. It may also help with the depression and feeling "flat" - it was specifically developed for PTSD but can be successfully used with non PTSD anxiety and depression.
While I can't technically make medical recommendations, if I was your therapist I would ask if you've had your vitamin D levels checked to rule out a medical issue. Have you tried either an SNRI or Welbutrin for medication? I'm guessing you have if your doc put you on an MAOI (they aren't commonly used for a number of reasons) but I don't like making assumptions. You have to be careful with Welbutrin and anxiety but it's a more "energizing" medication in terms of depression. The other thing you may want to look into is if you're close to any facility doing microdosing programs or research. There's been a LOT of success with microdosing and treatment resistant depression so it may be worth checking into.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions or if you need any level of support! I can't promise a quick response but I can promise a response
proverbialbunny · 0 points · Posted at 10:45:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because I'm not dissociating or anything else it hasn't been suggested, but I have considered it and next time I get a chance I'll bring it up.
It's not winter blues. I also have a multivitamin I don't regularly take, but it does have D3 in it. Unless there is a reason I could have low D3 while taking a vitamin, I don't think there is a reason to pursue blood work.
It's also clearly not depression. I've had depression in the past and am quite familiar with it. This is a unique experience.
Good idea. I've not out of fear it might fry my neurology more than it already is. I've got some here.
What kind? When I hear that word I think studies of recreational substances. The symptoms are such that if I took a large recreational quantity (a microdose too) I wouldn't respond to it, as if I haven't taken it. Music too. Same thing. No feeling. I was a big music geek too (both play and listen). It is watching my hobby be ripped away from me.
That's kind of you. I appreciate it.
Really, I could use a good therapist irl. To put it bluntly, there aren't many who keep up with me. It would be nice to find a therapist who is above gifted. My situation is subtle and uncommon unfortunately.
presidentofgallifrey · 1 points · Posted at 14:43:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd say step one is finding a specialist. Psychology Today is a good place to start. Like you said it's not a typical or straightforward situation.
In regards to the microdosing I don't know if I can really answer your questions. It's one of those things I've heard good things about but isn't available in my area so I don't have practical experience with it
FunkyardDogg · 14 points · Posted at 22:43:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife has a background in mental health and social work and virtually every single depiction of DID on TV and in films is met with an exhausted and frustrated series of comments and questions about how (and/or why) the writers could have f***ed up the DID representation so severely.
ProbablyMaybeBen · 13 points · Posted at 01:04:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can't agree more!
My partner has DID and I can't count the times I've had to explain how somebody isn't like her because they're 'totally a different person when they're drunk' -_-
SauronOMordor · 10 points · Posted at 01:08:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wtf? People actually say shit like that?!
ProbablyMaybeBen · 10 points · Posted at 01:37:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like you wouldn't believe!
It's a very misunderstood condition and a lot of people think it's a lot more glamorous than it is. Since it's a condition stemming from abuse it's often paired with things like PTSD, depression and anxiety. Not fun.
Even her family didn't understand it, which makes me sad.
'yeah, I'm a different person when I'm at home'
'oh, all girls are like that'
And my least favourite is when somebody will legitimately ask if I have sex with my partners child alters.
I can understand that's a general concern people have but it's something that gets asked so often (no, by the way. That's weird :-P)
Brennyburger · 3 points · Posted at 02:33:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
On the plus side, you get pretty good at reading non-verbal cues, huh? I know I have.
ProbablyMaybeBen · 8 points · Posted at 02:42:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, very much so!
I can tell who is out or coconscious by a slight curl of the lip or a tiny change in stance, upward inflection of the voice or, in the case of one alter, becoming extremely flamboyant :-P
wittyshit · 2 points · Posted at 21:51:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, a great understanding about what DID actually is.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:27:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most people who think they have it have more of a code/character switching habit. Because you felt like a woman from the south today and acted like one doesn't mean your brain's chemical makeup also changed.
lamp4321 · 2 points · Posted at 03:28:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
smeagol
uruk-hai_slayer · 2 points · Posted at 13:42:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Direct Injection Diesel
nastymcoutplay · 2 points · Posted at 21:14:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
you thought it was DID but it was me, DIO!
rouge1234654 · 2 points · Posted at 23:28:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is the verb to DO in the past, isn't it?
amidoingitright15 · 1 points · Posted at 07:28:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn’t that the opposite?
SauronOMordor · 2 points · Posted at 13:24:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. Got mixed up because there is the opposite question also floating around r/AskReddit
ThatTrashBaby · 1 points · Posted at 17:19:49 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
DID actually WAS
gotta keep that past tense
narcolepsyinc · 94 points · Posted at 21:35:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a licensed professional counselor. I was told multiple times in grad school that I would probably retire before actually seeing a true case of DID. So far, that's true.
I have, however, seen a TON of people try to claim that they have DID as a means to get out of trouble for doing something.
LousieInJapan · 43 points · Posted at 23:52:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My former best friend claims to have multiple personalities. Each personality has their own tumblr account and Facebook.
In total she claims to have over 1000.
Most of which have unbelievable tragic backstories, several are psychopaths, most are geniuses, a couple of them are otherkin or some kind of supernatural entities e.g. demons, fairies, angels, vampires etc. Some of them are also fictional characters: Sam and Dean from Supernatural, for example, Kurt Wagner from X-men, and Rei from Evangellion. She calls them "fictive headmates."
I don't think she really has DID. But since at twenty-five she still pretends to be Nightcrawler from X-men I think she is quite unwell and does need some serious medical help.
RalfHorris · 28 points · Posted at 00:54:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why does this not surprise me?
LousieInJapan · 17 points · Posted at 01:16:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I...yeah...she is one of those living clichés.
Here on Reddit I sometimes hear people talk about how SJWs don't really exist to this extent. But...seriously, they do. Anyone who believes that is lucky because they clearly haven't met someone like her.
RalfHorris · 18 points · Posted at 01:21:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, the term SJW has become so obnoxiously diluted to the point where anybody who shows basic human decency or points out racist/sexist behaviour is a "SJW"
But for those few who do go all out, Tumblr really does seem to be the platform of choice.
Rootner · 1 points · Posted at 17:34:10 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wonder how many of us have been to a public college the last 8 years.
AliensTookMyCat · 22 points · Posted at 23:54:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is thay why they're a former friend? Sounds like an exhausting relationship. I know a histrionic and can only stand her in small doses.
arelow · 5 points · Posted at 03:25:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I got wound into this "community" and these people on Tumblr a few years ago. I'm a relatively spiritual person and I was trying to get involved with the traditional otherkin community when I got roped into this bs. I unfollowed someone I was friends with prior. Was told I'm transphobic (I too am/was trans) for using "they" as a gender neutral pronoun, when "he" was listed in the blog desc. I avoided looking bc they used IP trackers and would say I'm a stalker. Then was told I'm ableist (I am autistic) for calling another autistic person annoying.
The reason I unfollowed was because this person was getting upset, telling people to kill themselves, and whenever someone called them out they went into one of their "alters" to "cope" and posted overly nice, passive aggressive stuff til everyone left. They had self dx'd DID among other things (most of which were not comorbid with each other).
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 21:59:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The ol' Primal Fear defense.
blueyeds1 · 2 points · Posted at 03:29:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a licenced clinical social worker and I've already seen 2 cases. It's under diagnosed and often missed because people are told in grad school that it is too rare and you'll never see it. 1% of the general population and 3-5% of the clinical population. That means of every 100 clients you see, 3-5 people are likely to have it. I feel like I need to advocate because it isn't going to look like what you expect it to from movies but if you know what you are looking for you WILL see it.
narcolepsyinc · 4 points · Posted at 03:43:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fair enough. I would imagine it is often misdiagnosed because it doesn’t resemble what people see in the media - though I would hope that a clinician working with mental illness would throw out what they see in movies long before entering the workforce. Saying I believe it to be rare doesn’t mean I would ignore symptoms and look for an accurate diagnosis. We just unfortunately work in a very grey science.
blueyeds1 · 3 points · Posted at 03:47:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would hope that too, but they often don't. It's a tough one though, because to believe it and see it in clients requires a clinician to change thier world view (it did for me atleast) because what it takes to cause/create DID is so heinous that it almost doesn't make sense, so instead people believe that they are lying.
narcolepsyinc · 1 points · Posted at 03:58:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I absolutely agree and probably sounded calloused in my original comment.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 01:09:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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narcolepsyinc · 4 points · Posted at 01:42:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you’re truly diagnosed with DID, then you should know how rare it is. Your own link says it occurs in less than 2% of people. What part of that was me talking out of my ass? And what did linking a post I made trying to do some freelance art have to do with anything??
Lupinn1 · 60 points · Posted at 22:01:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My ex-girlfriend had that. She didn't know about it herself, so it scared me completely. I told her about it after the first time, and called me a liar. Time after that (couple months later) I taped itn and showed it to her. She went to see the doctor for that. Haven't talked to her in years Hope she is doing all alright.
FightMeYouLilBitch · 33 points · Posted at 23:28:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My mother had it. (Four years of extensive, extremely painful therapy managed to merge the personalities.) One of her personalities was dating a guy without her main personality knowing. She ran into him at a grocery store and he addressed her by one of her personality’s names. She was horrified.
10207287 · 15 points · Posted at 23:39:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My mother also had it. Makes for a confusing childhood.
Pizza_has_feelings · 6 points · Posted at 00:18:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Okay, I'm curious, was it a decent childhood, or did you need to live with someone else? Did all/most personalities, or even any other than her main one, know she was a mother?
Squirrelwinchester · 11 points · Posted at 02:59:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im not the person you asked, but my mother also has DID with comorbid BPD. My childhood was pure hell there was physical, emotional, mental, and medical abuse. It was not a good environment at all for my sister and I. I am sure that isnt a universal thing with children of parents with DID but it was for me. Two of her personalities hated me so very much. One would just straight beat me with any object that was handy.
Pizza_has_feelings · 3 points · Posted at 03:03:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm so sorry to hear that. Pure hell does sound like a fitting description. I know we don't know much about this because it's the human brain and all (could be wrong, haven't done any research), but it's fascinating that the brain does that. Why/how it does that, I mean.
It's incredibly sad that most of your mother's personalities turned out to be abusive.
Squirrelwinchester · 4 points · Posted at 03:14:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Up until about 4 years ago I hated her for what happened in my childhood. It didnt help she carried the emotional/mental abuse into my adult years. I am 31 now and realize that she legitimately cannot help the way she is. She goes to therapy, takes meds, and does everything she can to be more mentally healthy. She has come a long way and talks with me about the issues she has. I have learned how to forgive her shes really great when she isnt experiencing events that trigger her mental illness terribly. I do wish she was like that all the time, but I can accept that she is trying and not let the rest harm me anymore.
I do know exactly why she has it. She was severely abused by grandparents. She had the hell beaten out of her on a regular basis worse than what I experienced. Her father literally broke one side of her face beating her, broke her nose 5 times, broke both her legs etc. My grandmother didnt physically abuse her, but the emotional and mental abuse was pretty bad. I can understand why she is this way, she had to protect herself.
Pizza_has_feelings · 3 points · Posted at 03:20:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm sure it took a lot for you to get to that place, but I'm sure she appreciates it a lot.
That does make sense though, different personalities to cope with abuse/different kinds of abuse.
I really appreciate you sharing all this with me/us. I really enjoy learning about mental illnesses and how they work, and I'm sure it's not the easiest thing to talk about.
10207287 · 7 points · Posted at 04:51:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly im not too sure on the details as she was undiagnosed at the time. There was a lot of unpredictable behaviour. Including semi violent outbursts.
Her memory was obviously unreliable and i was frequently accused of lying or being crazy. As far as i know the alters all knew everything about her actions etc. but mum herself was unaware of their actions.
Pizza_has_feelings · 1 points · Posted at 06:15:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Huh, that's interesting that they knew but she didn't. I also didn't think about the craziness being accused of you.
Thank you for sharing, though.
Omnishift · 30 points · Posted at 23:44:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually met a person who has this. I had no idea for two years. We hung out in the same circle of friends. Then one month he stopped taking his medication or something because we all witnessed like 4 or 5 different people suddenly come out of him. I have a bunch of stories because it got pretty wild if anyone is interested but this will probably get buried.
FightMeYouLilBitch · 16 points · Posted at 00:16:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m interested
Omnishift · 18 points · Posted at 01:04:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Alright I have a total of 2 people interested so I suppose I'll throw out the the story of how we found out. So I'll simplify the circle of friends as Adam, Jacob, and Frank. This was in college and Adam and Frank were flatmates while I was a flatmate with Jacob.
One day Frank comes over to our place and he is telling us that he has no idea where Adam is and that Adam was acting really strange before he disappeared. Well apparently one of Adam's "personalities" is a god-like figure who believes he can do anything. The entire day beforehand, Adam was telling Frank how his name is not Adam but it is God. Frank thought Adam was just trolling him because Adam has always been a weird guy so he kinda shrugs it off. For the entire day Adam only responded to God and has no idea who Adam is.
Anyways, so Adam disappeared. Where did he go? It turns out Adam came-to and called Frank about 3 states away saying his car is out of gas and "lost control" for a bit. Adam drove probably over 900 miles straight with no sleep and he doesn't remember a thing.
We connected the dots and realized Adam has DID. He didn't tell anyone about it but after that incident he took a break for a month from school. Somehow he passed that semester.
FightMeYouLilBitch · 9 points · Posted at 01:25:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you sure it was DID and not a bout of psychosis?
Omnishift · 10 points · Posted at 01:40:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah it's confirmed DID. He was diagnosed in his teens I think. He also has a personality that claims to speak absolutely no English but speaks perfect English in a Mexican accent. He knows zero Spanish.
I forgot to mention that Adam spoke to only Frank about his DID but Frank has spoken with Jacob and I because it's difficult for Frank to live with someone who acts like that. Frank's a good guy and didn't want to leave Adam to live alone especially while Adam was having a really hard time maintaining control.
FightMeYouLilBitch · 2 points · Posted at 14:49:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gotcha. That was really good of Frank.
valeristark · 1 points · Posted at 00:50:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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_alabaster · 9 points · Posted at 23:03:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember my boyfriend when I was 14 said he had multiple personality disorder because sometimes he didn't feel like himself. Me and my bff laughed at that shit for way too long
CambrianCrew · 81 points · Posted at 15:35:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
On the contrary. Prevalence rates are estimated at 0.1-2%, which, yeah that's small. But so many people think it's fake outside of the movies and doesn't exist at all - including medical and psychological professionals who really should know better.
So I'd say that this is something people think is ridiculously rare, that isn't really as rare as people think.
Akitz · 6 points · Posted at 03:31:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
An ex girlfriend of mine had it, along with a plethora of other issues. The main point is that it wasn't a brain which harbours multiple discreet personalities like in a movie. She just had an issue with "dissociation" in which she'd act or speak but not feel like she was in control or able to affect it. More like an autopilot rather than having an Icelandic lumberjack named Hreggviður Einnarson living in her head.
CambrianCrew · 2 points · Posted at 04:24:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is a common presentation of it. But having alters with distinct identities is also not uncommon and us well established in the research, literature, and history.
http://did-research.org/did/alters/index.html
(Sorry for linking so much to that one site. It's just the best organized, most easily accessible source, with good sources to back up what it says if you want to research more in depth.)
Double_Jab_Jabroni · 34 points · Posted at 17:20:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The likelihood is that it’s some kind of personality disorder and manipulative behaviour.
I’d be interested to see any evidence for multiple personalities.
CambrianCrew · 61 points · Posted at 17:54:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's MUCH more about the intensity of the dissociation, depersonalization and derealization than any other symptom.
There's quite a lot of research to dig through. This might be a good place to start.
http://did-research.org/resources/index.html I strongly recommend PODS and ISSTD from this list.
http://did-research.org/research/index.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed Look up Dissociative Identity Disorder here, choose their Best Match search.
And if you find a paper that's behind a paywall, just use this site to get around it.
https://scihub.org
Double_Jab_Jabroni · 11 points · Posted at 17:58:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for the links! Will have a read this evening.
nflez · 42 points · Posted at 17:45:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
it usually stems from severe child abuse allowing the child in question to not have to "front" during an after the abuse. i'd imagine most who have it are reticent to admit it considering just how stigmatized it is.
LastDance1 · 38 points · Posted at 19:18:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most people who have it probably don't know. DID isn't like depression or Anxiety or much else really. The alter acting as the front may never have a reason to dig further into themselves and find out that there is something wrong. DID is in many ways a mental system of organization that's designed to keep the "front" ignorant, so that they can do their job. If that system never breaks, than the person with DID never finds out.
Squirrelwinchester · 7 points · Posted at 03:04:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The only reason why my mother figured it out was because we saw an episode of Oprah together with a person with DID on it. I was sitting there hearing about this stuff and talked to my dad about it and we together called her therapist. We were right, she does have it and BPD.
Snubbels · 8 points · Posted at 04:35:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is nice to see your later reaction where you say you didn't want to offend anyone. But it's hard to make this kind of judgement calls without proper knowledge of the subject.
I'm diagnosed with DDNOS (dissociative disorder not otherwise specified). The reason I have DDNOS is because I was severely emotionally abused. As far as my earliest memories go, I've never felt safe. Not one moment in my life. I dissociate too, but with me it never goes as far as that I developed different personalities. I think what describes dissociation best for me is that your perception of reality changes as it would when you would use drugs (like xtc).
Sometimes it even goes that far that I don't even feel like myself anymore. Sometimes I feel like a small child. Not as in "I feel extra playful today", but when I'm under extreme stress like a fight or sexual pressure I don't feel and act like the 30 year old woman that I am. I have the humour of a 2 year old; really giggly about stuff like noses and peek-a-boo games, funny sounds. My motor skills differ from normally. I would actually sit like a toddler would, I have less balance. My voice is so different. I can't even speak normally anymore. My grammar is like a very young child too. 1-3 word sentences, wrong word placement, very simple words.
I can see why you would think why someone would do this for attention. But imagine for a moment (not trying to be condescending here, but really try to imagine for a moment) how it would be for you if this would happen to you if you are having a fight with you partner. Do you understand then that it is absolutely mortifying and humiliating? Everybody knows me as an eloquent, smart, mature woman. To have to endure this is absolutely horrible. And very annoying also, because I don't want this to happen, I really want to take my responsibilty and talk out my fights (and do my best to still try and talk it out after such an episode is over). I don't like it at all that my partner doesn't have a chance to say what he has to say, but instead needs to take care of me, because I'm not able to do that anymore myself. And I can't break out of that state of mind when I want to. My consciousness comes and goes. Like when you are really drunk. When you suddenly have a sober moment and realize you should definitely drink water or go home, but then the next moment you're in that drunken state again. So when I'm dissociating I'm not aware of it all the time, but only in those sober moments. It's utterly frustrating and frightening that in those sober moments I can't clearly communicate what I want or need.
Almost no people know this of me. It took me several years of therapy before I even dared to tell my psychiatrist about it. That's how ashamed I am of it. That shame stems first of all from the fact that I can't act as a mature person in those moments. But it has been made severly worse because people know so little about it and have such severe opinions about it. Even therapists. I have been wrongly diagnosed with having psychotic episodes, even though I kept saying that I was aware that what I perceived wasn't true even while it occured. Then, which absolutely had a devastating effect, it was seen as manipulation and thus as Borderline Personality Disorder, as an easy way out of difficult situations. I can't even begin to tell you how that made me feel. I've always been someone that feels way too responsible. So also for those behaviours. It made me so angry with myself. And then to have professionals tell me that I did it because I have a lack of respect for other people... It makes me nauseous even now. It took me about two years of extensive therapy to heal the wounds that those therapists made. And keep in mind, that all this time I didn't know what was wrong with me. After hearing it over and over again that I just wanted to take the easy way out, I believed them. But I still didn't understand how that could be the easy way, since it was so painful to me and after an episode it would take me days to get to my normal self again.
It was only after a therapist recognized it, because she knew first hand what dissociating was, that I finally got some education on it and help how to deal with it. Mind you that I was in therapy for 8 years already at that time. From the time I got the right treatment my progress at taking back control has been immense. I've been making a little start at accepting that it is not my fault these episodes happen. Next to that I have to be mindful of getting enough food, sleep, medication, to go away from situations when I feel the dissociation coming up. I've had people screaming at me, getting panicked, spooked, just walking away from me, crying, being angry at me while dissociated all for something I had no control over and couldn't do anything about at that moment. Can you imagine? Really not being able to change the behaviour that other people are upset by even though you want it more than anything? All the while you're are frightened by what is happening to you because you don't know what it is and when and if it will end?
I never speak with people about this. Very little people understand. And that's okay. I'm even glad for that, since it's absolutely horrible to endure and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It has left some deep scars on me and it still does, to be really truthful. I'm eternally grateful that I met a good therapist. For me knowing that she knows that I am not lying is the difference between the great but still difficult life a live now and killing myself.
And all this, because I was abused the first 18 years of my life. I didn't choose this. It's unfair, but it is what I deal with on a daily basis. And on top of that people that don't take me seriously and judge me. So please, not all people that have disorders like this are attention seekers. I'm personally very allergic to drama. It is the same as saying that dyslexic people write and read poorly on purpose for the attention it gets them, since you can't see their disorder.
Tldr; just read it if you are interested in the experiences of someone with a dissociative disorder
Double_Jab_Jabroni · 4 points · Posted at 07:16:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Snubbels · 2 points · Posted at 13:59:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're welcome. It is always nice to encounter people that are willing to here another side to the story. :) That's a valuable and rare trait you have.
XavierRenae · 27 points · Posted at 21:29:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Spend a few days with someone who has it. Talk to their friends and family members. Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence, especially when there hasn't been much research done on it.
Someone with DID will (from their own subjective experience) have lapses in memory, where they may act very differently , engage in complex behaviours and appear normal on the outside (so its not like sleep walking or an irrational scizophrenic episode).
"Manipulative behavior" is pretty a pretty harsh lable to put on the perhaps 1000s of people suffering from this dosorder on a daily basis. The same thing people used to (and some even still do) about depression, anxiety and even some physical things like allergies. And even about lgbt people. But we know now thats not true.
If you're interested Id recommend looking up a girl named Jess who has a YouTube channle multiplicityandme. She has been on several talk shows and done interviews, and was in a documentary about what its lime to live with different mental illnesses. She has some educational content about what DID is and what is not.
I've never gotten the vibe from her that she wanted attention or was being manipulative, or that she ever wanted to do anything but just live her (their) life and erase some of the stigma of DID.
Obviously anecdotal evidence should always be taken with a grain of salt. But there are some preliminary findings of different changes in the brain that are associated with DID. I believe Jess explains some of this in one of her videos.
Double_Jab_Jabroni · 5 points · Posted at 21:35:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Didn’t mean to offend with my comments, just my own personal perspective on something I admittedly know little about.
Will definitely look into what you suggested. Thanks for the recommendations.
IconOfSim · 22 points · Posted at 22:08:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im not the person you’re replying to, but while i do appreciate your honesty; please stop this.
This is exactly the benign-intentioned behaviour that reinforces a stigma which makes dealing with the issue so much harder for the sufferer clinically, scientifically, and especially socially.
I have a neurological disorder that people say doesn’t exist and is simply ‘manipulative behaviour’ in essence, and it makes it hard to work through the issues with family or the public when i need to because the common understanding isn’t helpful.
You have been honest about your understanding and said you will look into DID more, so I can only wish more people were like you, in this case.
Celcey · 8 points · Posted at 23:43:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rare, but not unheard of. I know two people with DID (although I know only one of them well). Interestingly enough, they dated for a while, and are still good friends.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 00:29:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. I have a friend who is a clinical psychologist and prof (for about 15 years) and he just recently had a student who had DID or at least claimed. But he wasnt sure if it was real or faking but he was fascinated to talk to her because he has never previously encountered it professionally.
ThisFckinGuy · 5 points · Posted at 00:34:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a student who I've worked eithbom and off for about 3 years has this among other disabilities. I've dealt with multiple issues with him but only recently did I see a legitimate break where he thought he was a child and it's was really bizarre to see. Tried to talk to him and he really wasn't there. We had to talk to him in like the 3rd or 4th person like "well your friend Billy is a student here and said you'd be coming to visit and he planned out this stuff for us to do! Wasn't that really nice of him let's go see what art class is all about ok?" At one point I had to tell his new personality he was borrowing my students body but only if he behaved and listened to us. I didn't really know how to respond to some of the things he said and it was a bit creepy if you knew this kids history.
TheNurseMan · 15 points · Posted at 00:10:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just have to say, as a mental health professional, every person I've ever met with DID was, in fact, suffering Borderline Personality Disorder. I've worked in acute mental health for 9 years and I know of only one person who buys into the diagnosis. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with the diagnosis; that is not my intention.
DissociatingDingo · 7 points · Posted at 02:13:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So what would you think if you met someone who presented with DID but who did not meet the criteria for BPD? For example, what if they displayed only the BPD criteria relating to dissociation and identity disturbance, but none of the other criteria such as relationship instability, impulsivity, etc?
I could see how someone could conceptualize what they were seeing with DID as BPD if they didn't believe DID to be a valid diagnosis, such as conceptualizing identity states as affective instability. I could also see someone with BPD believing themselves to have DID, particularly if they'd seen media portrayals. I totally understand the validity of thinking horses rather than zebras when you hear hoofbeats, but zebras do still exist.
blueyeds1 · 4 points · Posted at 03:32:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is so eloquently stated and in a MUCH calmer more effective way than if I said it. Thank you from an LCSW who works with complex trauma and dissociative disorders.
DissociatingDingo · 2 points · Posted at 03:45:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you. I was actually speaking from personal experience. I have DID but fit almost none of the diagnostic criteria of BPD (except dissociation) unless you conceptualize my identity states as as mood swings, irritability, etc. I actually have very stable relationships, no problems with impulsivity, no anger problem, etc. Even though my identity states are distinct, we all share a core interpersonal pattern that is pretty incompatible with a BPD diagnosis. My DID really doesn't look like BPD at all.
blueyeds1 · 2 points · Posted at 03:49:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless a clinician was taught not to see DID because it is "so rare that you'll never see it". I'm an LCSW and I find myself fighting this battle with other clinicians so often. Thank you for sharing your story and advocating for your self.
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crownemoji · 1 points · Posted at 18:56:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is actually the most common way DID presents itself! A majority of the symptoms are usually covert, with a few personalities usually taking front day-to-day in order to live out a normal life. Here's a quick source from DID Research, in case you're interested on learning more.
Snubbels · 2 points · Posted at 05:31:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't forget secondary problematic behaviour from not being believed and being properly treated. People forget that if other people would keep telling them that something they experience is not true, it would have severe effects too. Imagine that noone would recognize anger as something that exists and call you attention seeking or lying when you say that you have these experiences where you feel different; more intense, as if things are more important and urgent, your body feels different than normally, less attentive of your surroundings such as the birds chirping. It is normal that if someone doesn't take you seriously, you would react to that.
And even more so if people would -because you clearly show signs of manipulation- also label your other behavious as manipulation. (E.g. You're sad about something and thus cry, people would think you want attention from them with your crying, since you are clearly an attention seeking person with these talks about 'anger'.) So now people attribute it to your personality instead of a normal reaction.
And take it even a step further, imagine that people are now saying you have a personality disorder, even though you feel as if your reactions are pretty normal to what is happening and next to that, you've lost comfort, trust, companionship and what more, because people think you're manipulating them. It would seem to me that it is quite impossible to not act out at one time. Which, with the bias already there, will be easily labeled as impulsivity. Or maybe you start to believe that you're manipulative yourself, but at other times are not so sure and thus having an unstable self image. It is easy to build a diagnoses of Borderline Personality Disorder around someone that is misdiagnosed. Especially in acute mental health care, since people often end up there when they are under a great amount of stress.
It seems overly simple, but it has happened to me and I believe that it happens to very many people. I think Borderline Personality Disorder has often just trauma underneath it. And if you have endured things that are severely damaging, it is perfectly normal to have intense emotions and reactions to that.
I personally think that a lot of trouble comes forth out of diagnosing people on their behaviour alone. I think when you feel a little urge, for example, and immediately act on it, it is impulsive. But when you feel a immense urge and act on it, is that impulsive or just normal? Care givers often tend to forget to look at what's underneath behaviour. And if you know what's there, the behaviour of people often makes sense.
TheNurseMan · 1 points · Posted at 20:22:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have to say, I'm entirely sensitive to the diagnosis as well as the trauma that comes with being held and treated against one's will. I agree that this can momentarily make the situation worse. I also agree that once the bias is in place, we do tend to attribute behaviours that fit to the PD. I also agree that there is almost ALWAYS significant trauma underlying; Borderline is, simply put, an entirely negative and inappropriate set of coping skills. That said, it is also an entirely fixable situation. The person has to accept the diagnosis and what it means, and actively attempt to be cognizant and change the coping with intensive therapy. This doesn't mean they won't relapse, they often do. I know a few BPD folks who have taken the majority of control of their lives and still trip up but I respect that they've decided to take control. However, DID is nonsense, plain and simple. It's an attention seeking (I know you may not like the term) mechanism that involves putting more people to work on the BPD and allows an outlet to act how one wants with a crutch to support the claim.
Snubbels · 1 points · Posted at 02:33:28 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I strongly disagree with you on DID. First of all, every person I heard of first hand that they had DID were absolutely not trying to get attention for it. Far from it, they often hide it from almost everyone. Maybe you should read my above post about my experience with DDNOS to get a bit more insight on how severe dissociation feels to me and what it does to me as a person.
As I wrote earlier, first I was diagnosed with having BPD. Some of the descriptions about BDP seemed to apply to me, but many of the literature on BDP I could not recognize myself in at all. I have had BDP treatment based on Linehan. It left me feeling very frustrated. It helped a bit, but mostly it still felt as if it didn't really fit my problems, as if it only touched the surface.
Later, I got diagnosed with C-PTSD and DDNOS. I had never heared of it. But all the descriptions fitted like a glove. The first time I read about it I cried so much from relief. There on paper stood exactly what I couldn't put into words. The therapy I got now, helped me a whole lot more, without a doubt, and way faster. I'm eternally greatful for the mental health professionals that truly listened to me and truly tried to help me.
To be fair, in my extensive experience with therapy, it struck me that every therapist that used the word bordeline to describe me, were also the one's that never really listened, got facts wrong, didn't have there therapy plans in order, never treated me as a person or equal and were a lot less intelligent. They never were able to really explain things when I asked in depth questions.
I personally believe that someone that says that DID is nonsense, should not be working in mental health care. A true professional can keep an open mind, since it is (almost) impossible to proof that something does or doesn't exist. I think a belief like that can be very harmful to patients. And that other's think the same as yourself, does not make it more true. Moreover, it is often a warning sign that you lose objectivity.
FightMeYouLilBitch · 2 points · Posted at 00:21:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My best friend was diagnosed with it but I’m not 100% sure it’s accurate. She also has borderline personality disorder and experiences psychosis.
However, my mother had it, and I definitely think it was a correct diagnosis.
valeristark · 5 points · Posted at 01:03:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
OCD, too. Which I get that OCD is far more common than DID, but people throw that term around so much that it’s lost its meaning. It pisses me off because I am actually diagnosed with OCD so when I mention that I’m having issues from it, most people just kinda laugh it off like it doesn’t cause me extreme hurtles in my every day.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 02:45:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Snubbels · 1 points · Posted at 05:37:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Heya. waves Sounds like my story. I have DDNOS too. It only has been 8 years for me before I found someone that properly diagnosed me. Also someone specialized in trauma.
reduces · 17 points · Posted at 21:34:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
me, a person with this disorder: finally my time to shine, AMA. lmao
notgayinathreeway · 32 points · Posted at 22:59:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AUA
reduces · 21 points · Posted at 23:18:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
this made me laugh for like ten minutes thank you
FightMeYouLilBitch · 7 points · Posted at 00:18:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How are you doing right now?
reduces · 12 points · Posted at 00:24:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
tired, just got off work. If you mean in general, it's been difficult because we recently had a bad abuser of ours die. has caused a mess emotionally.
FightMeYouLilBitch · 8 points · Posted at 00:29:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m so sorry. Are you getting help right now?
reduces · 3 points · Posted at 02:03:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm medicated but I'm between therapists at the moment which sucks
valeristark · 3 points · Posted at 00:52:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you able to live a “normal” life? I saw you say that you just got off work. Are your employers sympathetic? Are you able to manage your symptoms well?
314159265358979326 · 8 points · Posted at 23:12:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
People thinking they know what the proper diagnosis for multiple personalities is.
isaacandcompany · 3 points · Posted at 02:17:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of people in the psychology department treat this topic as taboo. It has very little research behind it.
sqqueen · 3 points · Posted at 00:36:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's uncommon until your very own mother is diagnosed with it. Then it is simultaneously creepy as fuck and crystal clearly explanatory
LauraMcCabeMoon · 1 points · Posted at 05:23:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's a very powerful way to put it. I'm curious if you're willing to share. If not, hope you are in a peaceful place.
sqqueen · 2 points · Posted at 21:04:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She died 20 years ago this year (in a few weeks, come to think of it) so yeah, I'm beyond it.
Basically, she would be totally inconsistent from day to day, and would do weird things. l mean like showing up on my birthday with 2 happy birthday balloons and saying she bought them for my 2 kids. WTF? Like having had 3 years of law school but not knowing how to cut a pie without an actual pie server. Like raging at me, truly raging, then denying she'd ever done that. Continue continue continue.
Eventually I figured out there was no difference between her and, say, Sybil or 3 Faces of Eve. ("Coincidentally", I had read every book in the library on Multiple Personality in the last 5 years...can you spell "denial"?)
I talked with my siblings and they all agreed. She had some kind of normal functional personality that went to law school. She had a rageful one. She had an innocent little kid. There were probably a few others.
It explained the balloons: The competent one bought the balloons, another personality didn't know why.
It explained the denial: The rageful one raged, the other ones didn't know she existed.
That explained not being able to find her way around the block to drive to the park, or to cut a pie: The innocent little kid was in charge.
Snap, snap, snap, everything weird about her just snapped into place in a crystal clear picture if you take that as a possibility.
Read "The Myth of Sanity" by Martha Stout. Apparently some version of dissociation is pretty common, it's just we often think of the people who do it a lot as "moody" and rarely think the whole truth.
LauraMcCabeMoon · 2 points · Posted at 19:27:10 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow thank you for sharing. I hope she's at peace and you guys are too.
ProbablyMaybeBen · 3 points · Posted at 01:42:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just want to say that to anybody with DID, know somebody with DID or just wanting to know more, there's a great subreddit r/DID you can go to.
LeeTriple6 · 3 points · Posted at 01:47:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've been diagnosed with D.I.D. when I was 13. It was caused by the emotional and physical abuse from my step father.
CaptainThief · 4 points · Posted at 22:09:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You said it, it’s dang rare.
CaptainThief · 2 points · Posted at 22:11:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm, I don’t know many who have it.
avgguy33 · 5 points · Posted at 23:36:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My Ex had many personalities. She is Integrated now. Just FYI they all have different facial expressions , they act , different, and kiss different. Nothing scarrier than her driving and the 5 year old comes out , who can't drive. Luckily the little one listened to me , and let big April come back out. One was a neat freak , etc.
ElizabethHopeParker · 2 points · Posted at 00:22:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It may be rare, but I know someone with DID.
MetalGearFlaccid · 2 points · Posted at 00:47:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Met a girl from tinder with that. 1/10 do not recommend.
lanayalina · 2 points · Posted at 02:41:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting. I've read Sybil : 16 personalities. It was insanely good at the time and never thought it existed.
blueyeds1 · 2 points · Posted at 03:25:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I couldn't disagree more. In clinical circles it is under diagnosed to the point that therapists and doctors don't believe it exists at all.
Kasoni · 2 points · Posted at 04:36:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot more people have this than will admit it. Could be their secret or it could be they don't know/understand or they went to get help and were misdiagnosised. But seems to me to be more prevalent than STDs.
Smokey_Bear15 · 2 points · Posted at 22:02:08 on February 14, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thought we agreed not to talk about this
Smoking_Bear · 2 points · Posted at 22:02:43 on February 14, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha shhhh
Pnk-Kitten · 2 points · Posted at 21:59:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know one person with a confirmed diagnosis. I know someone else who had what I now suspect to be a disassociation disorder.
amalgam_reynolds · 2 points · Posted at 00:32:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who thinks this is common??
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:17:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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claudiusbritannicus · 44 points · Posted at 21:48:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, because what's fluid is their gender identity and expression, but not their whole personality. They are always the same person and they retain memory of what they do whatever gender they present as.
LickingSmegma · 18 points · Posted at 20:40:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Afaik 'genderfluid' is about social roles, not the biological sex. So it's not gender dysphoria, it's about personal choice. Transgenderism and 'gender as social roles' are two different things.
klatnyelox · 6 points · Posted at 23:41:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You know what sucks about the whole genderfluid thing? The reintroduction of the idea that one's "gender" means anything to begin with. Throughout the 90s and early 2000s (maybe before, but I wasn't alive back then) I was inundated with the idea that traditional gender roles are terrible restricting facets of society, and anyone can do anything no matter what gender they are, that gender is just a language and cognitive thing used to identify people based on secondary and primary sex characteristics. A woman can be a strong lumberjack, and a man can sit at home with his kids and cook for his working wife and mother of his children while keeping the house nice and clean. A man can go into volleyball and tennis if he wants, while a woman can be a football star.
To a certain extent these are untrue. Typically, the comparative lack of testosterone will make it very difficult for any woman to compete with an equally active/athletic male on any physical level. But that's the thing. That just means they might have to work a little harder for it. It doesn't mean that they have to relabel those activities as "manly" and change their gender identity to match it.
At this point the whole gender thing is so disproportionate to the importance of the issue because the issue is fake to begin with. Gender ROLES are a social construct, and doing away with those has been a goal for many for a long time. Stop inventing new gender roles to label yourself as. That's not your own unique or uncommon gender role. That's just who you are.
Akitz · 1 points · Posted at 03:36:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I disagree slightly with your comment about sports. It's unreasonable to expect women to just "work a little harder" to compete with men. On many sports (even without physical contact between athletes), men perform at a completely separate level.
klatnyelox · 1 points · Posted at 04:13:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'll concede with you there. I didn't elaborate on that because it's not the point.
[deleted] · -18 points · Posted at 20:05:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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BigPoppaChump · 12 points · Posted at 22:20:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just because it's not a biological phenomenon, doesn't mean it's not a social role people can choose. You say they can't make up their mind, but I think them choosing a label and living authentically the way they want to is them making up their mind.
It's a different thing from being transsexual, but there's no need to be a dick to people for choosing to express gender the way they want to.
PerfectSwordBoi · 8 points · Posted at 22:02:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I get where you're coming from with this, but I think it's mainly who you talk to who identify as this. There are a lot, and I mean a LOT, of people online who say they are genderfluid just because it's new and "trendy" and they want people to think there is something wrong with them and then get mad about it. But I have met a couple of people irl who identify as this and they obviously don't have a "normal brain". They already had previously diagnosed mental illnesses and they experience a cycle over several months, not just a couple of days. One described it as feeling like they are on the borderline of transgenderism, where they don't know how they truly feel inside and sometimes they are completely comfortable in their body, and sometimes they feel like they can't even look at themselves in the mirror because they feel so wrong. I really don't envy them and I don't understand why some people make it up just so they can be treated differently.
LousieInJapan · 2 points · Posted at 00:35:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Here's my opinion (it's similar to yours):
Genderfluidity is a trend. No denying that.
Being between genders, swinging from one gender to another, being a "third" gender ...these are phenomena that have existed for a very long time usually in third world countries. Some examples: Thai "ladyboys," Fa'afafine, Tumtum, Two Spirit, Intersex, ...there are others but it's hard to find decent information on them these days. The Tumblr crowd have got their claws deep into these terms and I can't find a lot of info that doesn't have some white woman claiming to identify as one or more of these things. When you say "it's another made up bullshit thing," I kinda agree. I think there are significant cultural identities in the past and present that explored gender identity outside of biological sex and that those cultures are quite interesting. Mainly because those gender identities still undertook a gender role of some kind and contributed to the society they lived in.
Today, western gender identity (75 genders owe em geee!!!!) is synonymous with personality. If we're doing that then we have an infinite number of genders. Somewhere along the line it just gets dumb. You nailed it with "just another made up bullshit thing." And people for whom the most interesting thing about them is their gender? Wow. I can't imagine anyone more boring. But that's just me being catty...
I don't think genderfluid-identifying people are bad. But I don't think they are half as interesting as they think they are and, most importantly, I don't think they are at all well. I don't know if being genderfluid is a mental illness in and of itself but I don't know a single genderfluid individual who isn't also mentally ill in some other way. If someone is genderfluid they almost always seem to also have depression and anxiety and usually a number of other issues too.
This is too common to be a coincidence.
The cause? No idea.
Questioning one's gender identity could be an uninvestigated symptom of moderate to severe depression. That's a possibility. It could also be society's cruelty toward people who are different that makes them depressed and anxious. It could also be that there is a whole new mental illness yet to be discovered which includes gender dysmorphic symptoms as well as symptoms of depression and anxiety. I don't know.
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:59:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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badgergooch · 1 points · Posted at 00:21:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was just talking about Herschel Walker at dinner and I see this, I have read he doesn’t remember his Heisman season but can’t source this.
Crazylittleloon · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of my best friends has it. We lived together for about a year or so and I learned a lot.
Volkove · 1 points · Posted at 01:43:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But when you do meet someone that actually has it...
themanwiththexrayeye · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is common.
pocketmnky · 6163 points · Posted at 15:27:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A potential mate who is successful, smart, funny, attractive, mentally stable, ready for commitment AND single.
bober007 · 5041 points · Posted at 18:27:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND attracted to you.
WhatTheGentlyCaress · 442 points · Posted at 22:46:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
willing to settle for you
PoiLethe · 14 points · Posted at 04:38:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pft what is this? Fifty Shades of Grey?
IWontProvideSources · 2 points · Posted at 05:39:17 on July 13, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fifty Shades of Meh
firehawk801 · 59 points · Posted at 02:06:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND the chance you're ACTUALLY ready for that relationship in a way that it'll be super healthy and fruitful? In this emotional economy where most of us can't even trade any meaningful thoughts because it makes everyone uncomfortable therefore never providing you with someone to confide in for complete emotional closure? Good luck, kid.
DancingWithMyshelf · 920 points · Posted at 18:42:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND AND over 6' tall with a +9" dick.
thetarget3 · 417 points · Posted at 22:15:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
She doesn't need to have an 9" dick. 7 is fine.
ATGSunCoach · 359 points · Posted at 00:42:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My girlfriend tells me a small penis is not a problem. But, like, I dunno...I still wish she didn’t have one at all.
actuallyyourdad · 63 points · Posted at 03:13:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How can you tell which penis opens up to accept the other one?
Shawn_Spenstar · 29 points · Posted at 03:43:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
God I'm so sick of this joke it's like at least 5 years old already...they figure it out the same way you decide anything else either rock paper scissors or flipping a coin.
ed_is_ded · 5 points · Posted at 12:15:16 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just ask the senator.
pictureuvaman · 15 points · Posted at 02:20:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
More people should see this
streeetcornerkid · 24 points · Posted at 02:53:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Meh, if you've seen one small penis you've seen them all.
pictureuvaman · 12 points · Posted at 02:57:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like to think that mine is like a unique snowflake
PoiLethe · 11 points · Posted at 04:36:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well it is. You need to put it under a microscope to see that it is indeed unique.
pictureuvaman · 11 points · Posted at 05:13:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you misspelled "is fun to catch on your tongue"
PoiLethe · 1 points · Posted at 05:27:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And melts just as quickly
pictureuvaman · 2 points · Posted at 05:33:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was trying to think of a better way to word that since, you know, it doesnt actually melt.... best i got was "if you tilt your head back, it'll come into your mouth as soon as you stick your tongue out"... but that feels too on the nose
HebrewHamm3r · 1 points · Posted at 04:20:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s a feminine penis shitlord
Javaman420 · -13 points · Posted at 00:55:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 please post this to r/jokes
BoJackB26354 · 23 points · Posted at 22:33:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or just two penises like a normal Zephyrian.
VEC7OR · 17 points · Posted at 23:36:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
ಠಿ_ಠ
nighthawk_md · 7 points · Posted at 02:10:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Indeed, feminine penis FTW
darkslide3000 · 6 points · Posted at 05:31:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, it's always awkward when your girlfriend's dick is bigger than yours.
4everfaythful · 1 points · Posted at 06:18:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lmfao
artful_wench · 57 points · Posted at 22:50:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND with a mode of transportation large enough to convey 20 people.
cpgrayster · 48 points · Posted at 23:14:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
DON'T NEED THE ATTITUDE HONEY IT'S FOR A CHURCH
tmleafsfan · 39 points · Posted at 23:49:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
NEXT!
cpgrayster · 20 points · Posted at 23:51:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
STILL LOOKING??
blackcrowblue · 6 points · Posted at 03:34:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
NEXT!!
45meatballs · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:32 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a sedan that can hold 7...
[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 01:02:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shit I have a -9" dick
DancingWithMyshelf · 6 points · Posted at 10:30:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/badwomensanatomy
PoiLethe · 4 points · Posted at 04:37:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck. Mines like -5" is that normal? Am I small?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 07:19:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So do you have a tail then?
MidnightDemon · 51 points · Posted at 22:36:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And a +100k salary
Derpmaster3000 · 35 points · Posted at 23:12:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND AND AND is an architect who survived drowning after cpr and puts razor blades in Halloween candy while laughing at fat people at the gym.
unidan_was_right · 7 points · Posted at 03:02:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting
MaxMustermane · 8 points · Posted at 23:03:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shit. Mine is only a +3. Where do I grind to make it better?
ShortchangeParamecia · 25 points · Posted at 23:25:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Cocksmith, if you have the gold.
MaxMustermane · 13 points · Posted at 23:29:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No shit, I have a friend named Richard Smith. We jokingly call him the dildo maker.
MJWood · 3 points · Posted at 04:14:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You should have cards printed for him.
Panda_Erick · 2 points · Posted at 20:53:17 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
To my dear friemd. Dick smith
ToedPlays · 55 points · Posted at 19:20:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
M E T A
E
T
A
sebimeyer · 10 points · Posted at 22:56:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And gay.
sidipi · 3 points · Posted at 00:09:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Meta!
instableoxymoron · 3 points · Posted at 01:26:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Describing me well so far...go on.
elaerna · 2 points · Posted at 03:13:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wait omg I know one
Deathevan · 3 points · Posted at 00:36:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
All of these qualifications sound like the average redditor.
cloaked_chaos · -2 points · Posted at 23:24:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm 8 out of 10 of those things! What do I win?
unidan_was_right · 10 points · Posted at 03:03:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
permanent virginity!
cloaked_chaos · 3 points · Posted at 03:42:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think I can go back in time.
darthowen · 7 points · Posted at 04:56:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy fucks
PM_ME_VALIDATION_PLS · 33 points · Posted at 00:54:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND not a serial killer.
NonSp3cificActionFig · 22 points · Posted at 01:56:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You are too picky
Bigvynee · 8 points · Posted at 04:33:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Speak for yourself.
Viltris · 3 points · Posted at 11:13:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am ALL not a serial killer on this blessed day.
Kakun0s · 2 points · Posted at 04:03:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
and a cereal killer?
bagboyrebel · 42 points · Posted at 00:31:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The title said rare, not non-existent.
General_Kenobi896 · 10 points · Posted at 00:51:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This.
JesusIsMyAntivirus · 8 points · Posted at 01:57:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck off.
Askew_WAS_TAKEN · 9 points · Posted at 02:46:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This.
JesusIsMyAntivirus · 5 points · Posted at 07:52:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So much this.
1nsaneMfB · 3 points · Posted at 04:28:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck off.
blackwolfrain · 7 points · Posted at 05:07:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This.
Misutogan · 20 points · Posted at 01:22:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
OP said extremely rare, not non-existent.
leafystormclouds840 · 27 points · Posted at 03:39:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's just when you need to work on yourself. Chances are, you aren't as big of a catch as you think you are. A couple years ago, I was wondering why I wasn't getting the guy. I was funny, i was smart, I was creative and rebellious and every guy's Manic Pixie Dream Girl TM- looking back, I was an awful person. Even just a couple months ago I was rude and mean and awful, but I'm working on it, and I'm already noticing that people are far more receptive.
TLDR: You're not the only person looking for smart, successful, funny, attractive, etc. Be what you're looking for and people will follow!
Forbiddina · 19 points · Posted at 20:19:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oof thats bone hurting juice
CronusAsellus · 2 points · Posted at 12:07:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ow
PixelNinja112 · 11 points · Posted at 02:04:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is the thing I've always wondered, what are the chances that you will find the perfect partner, then what are the chances that they won't friendzone you, or that he'll actually like you.
ikeaj123 · 10 points · Posted at 03:45:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now add being gay on top of that, and you're really screwed.
Wait a sec...
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 02:36:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is the hardest condition to meet.
renro · 5 points · Posted at 08:41:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They said rare, not imaginary
Hawk2k4 · 8 points · Posted at 21:37:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
this lol
JesusIsMyAntivirus · 3 points · Posted at 01:56:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The devil's always in the details.
MaxwellKerman · 3 points · Posted at 06:55:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/2meirl4meirl
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:31:24 on February 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cause let's be honest - you're probably nowhere that awesome.And you wouldn't date yourself, if you would be.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:49:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's the kicker.
Pope_Beenadick · 2 points · Posted at 03:54:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The last and most deadly criterion...
YosarianiLives · 2 points · Posted at 03:56:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Let's not get too carried away here...
Scambucha · 2 points · Posted at 06:13:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, I found that...
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 12:17:21 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s the most decisive factor here
alalalalong · 1 points · Posted at 01:48:13 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
it's ok i have a dungeon
4everfaythful · 1 points · Posted at 06:18:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hahaha also key🔑🔑🔑
Martin_Phosphorus · 69 points · Posted at 19:12:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And willing to be with you.
swordmalice · 68 points · Posted at 22:38:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think this is the biggest point. I've met several successful, smart, funny, attractive, mentally stable, available women in just the last year, but not a single one of them wanted to be with me for various reasons. More and more I'm finding myself trying to figure out just what it is about me that isn't resonating with them but that's different story.
lcfparty15 · 52 points · Posted at 01:39:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a fast armchair theory to throw out, as I think you have a twofold problem. First, it's probably just pretty rare in the first place. I dated a lot and I married a great gal but I got turned down plenty. I'm average looking, for whatever that's worth. Attraction plays a big early role, of course.
So, you don't know why it clicked with those ladies but there was most likely just a slightly more X guy around the girl preferred.
Also, dwelling on why you're not good enough for someone who rejects you doesn't seem wise to me. Like, you make some kick ass ribs but I wasn't in the mood for them tonight so I thought, "meh." You're just meh to some people.
The idea is you're available enough to meet the girl who is the sort you want to meet and also into you. I've never known someone to do that intentionally and I have known that to get out of a dry spell probably just starting a self-improving project and see if that doesn't get you out of your head enough to be open to it.
Certain single neurotic types online hate the stuff I'm saying. But it's one problem to be worried about why some woman didn't want to date you however long after the fact, and another problem all together to be bitter and angry about it. Or many orders of magnitude worse.
But both might be the same problem. If the lady you wanna meet is attractive enough (I mean this generally; not just looks), that's already a tough proposition you're the dude she's gonna want. She'll have options, don't care if that's not a PC thing to say.
So, shrug that shit off. There's nothing wrong with you. Obviously doing positive things with your time will help you overall moreso than negative, self-destructive things. Beyond that, I'm sure you're swell, your SO will come along soon enough, but acting angsty about that seems to repel women which makes perfect sense to me. For many reasons. "confidence" is an oversimplification. "Can handle life" is a desirable trait, though.
swordmalice · 11 points · Posted at 02:33:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very helpful, thank you! I'm sorry if I came off as angsty in my post, that was most definitely not my intention. It was more of a, "Man, I'm have a really hard time getting this mutual attraction thing going" but in no way am I angry or resentful. That said, I'm only human and I do sometimes get depressed about it.
You're right though; these women had options and I simply didn't make the cut - end of story. I am trying to get myself out there and self-improve here and there but I've got a lot going on with work and family so sometimes I definitely half-ass working on my social life. I think I'm pretty good at the "Can handle life" part, I think it's the "being attractive" part I'm having trouble with (and not physically I mean; I don't think I'm that good looking but many people have complimented me in that regard; 6', athletic build, well-groomed). I think it's because I'm a bit of an introvert, and more often than not I prefer to be alone and going outside my comfort zone is very, very hard for me. That said, I am working on it in different ways (one of which is by posting my thoughts on reddit, which, surprisingly, has been more positive than negative thanks to cool peeps like you!)
jert3 · 8 points · Posted at 02:13:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great points!
Yes it's women who choose the men, not the other way around. The best approach you can take is just improving yourself and being the best you that you can be.
I've had periods in my life with multiple great women throwing themselves at me as well as year(s) long periods of striking out, and everything in between. I was also the same but my circumstances where different.
Another important point I think: women really care about you but also who your friends are, what your social power is. Guys don't think the same way so this often isn't obvious to them. If you want to improve your attractiveness you would do well to get attractive friends, into a leadership or otherwise position of social power (for example your the funniest guy in your social circle and the guy who organizes the parties) or improving your income; the women will follow if either of these 3 paths are taken.
Really recommend "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" and a book on reading and recognizing body language, this is basically a secret weapon.
No-vem-ber · 9 points · Posted at 00:36:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Me too... It's really hard to get that direct feedback hey. I can see in some of my friends clear things about them that would put people off, but I can't identify them in myself. I wish someone would just say to me, "November, here's two things you need to work on to be more attractive."
fuzzwell · 19 points · Posted at 01:12:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Have a steady job. No drugs or alcohol issues. Get clothes that fit well and are nice. Take care of them and yourself. Get your hair cut. Wear deodorant. Shower and change clothes every morning. Keep your car clean. House and surroundings neat and clean. Go to the gym and get a little muscle. If you do those things, your confidence in yourself and your life will increase and that's the attractive thing. Don't come on too strong.
There. I fixed your life. You're welcome.
/kidding
LegoCamel6 · 3 points · Posted at 10:27:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plenty if junkies out there getting laid while I'm wasting my good years in school :c
TheBra305 · 1 points · Posted at 18:09:11 on February 22, 2018 · (Permalink)
Junkies don’t have a future. Also, you’re more likely to be successful if you go to school. Success is attractive. attractiveness will get you laid
thorGOT · 2 points · Posted at 05:42:54 on February 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is amazingly simple, astonishingly good advice.
Lynette713 · 2 points · Posted at 01:28:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I met that irl, I would assume he is either gay or a serial killer.
swordmalice · 10 points · Posted at 02:39:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Welp, guess that makes me a gay serial killer cause I do all the above!
(For the record: I am not gay, and especially not a serial killer, OK FBI?)
fuzzwell · 9 points · Posted at 03:32:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why would you think that? Someone that is able to take care of themselves and their surroundings and have a normal life might like to include another person and some children. I did that, got married to a really nice lady, and we have kids and then our house is busy but as clean as possible with kids, and my life was in good order beforehand and so things are really good even though children add a level of chaos.
I make breakfast for the family in the morning and my wife gets the kids ready for school. I give her a cup of coffee to take to the bus stop and when she comes back we eat breakfast together. Being normal and doing your best to be clean, kind, and considerate is a good thing.
NaanWhite · 2 points · Posted at 13:55:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're probably used to dating awful people. ^
Nick_pj · 1 points · Posted at 08:47:31 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s basically me, and it turns out most coworkers and acquaintances who don’t know me very well have just assumed I’m gay. On the plus side, I’m popular with the women at work and my girlfriend is convinced I’m a catch!
jherazob · 1 points · Posted at 12:23:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Copy-pasting a comment from /u/raxical:
No-vem-ber · 2 points · Posted at 06:17:42 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well this is just depressing. I was hoping that there would be some revelation at the end, but nope... Just sadness
jherazob · 1 points · Posted at 08:57:51 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's a start, it's defining the problem. Sooner or later you have to understand that the world isn't fair. The good thing is that it's not unfair either, it's just indifferent, there's lots of people who have good lives too.
No-vem-ber · 1 points · Posted at 06:22:06 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel like do all that stuff hey. Give talks at conferences, have an awesome career, earn cash, got my life fairly sorted, nice friends, goals in life, creative, my own place (renting), smart. But also, I'm a chubby woman. So I can't help but think, yeah... All that other stuff probably doesn't mean shit because fat woman seems to equal a hell no from everyone. Also the last guy I had feelings for and was kinda seeing for six months, the reasons he gave were that he needs a non-career woman and someone to like, stay home and clean and look after the kids. So fucked up coming from someone like him who is so focused on his business. Anyway. /Rant
Bowser701 · 1 points · Posted at 23:33:02 on May 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
You said in a previous post;
Well, there's one. Hit the gym up. I'm not going to lie that for most guys being overweight is a big deal breaker.
Get a good diet going (start but cutting out all sugars and lowering car intake), hit the gym up regularly, and start going out and doing events.
With the rest in your life sorted, it'll be super easy for you.
No-vem-ber · 1 points · Posted at 23:40:29 on May 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm so aware that my weight is what's stopping me from finding love. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that there has barely been a day for the last ten years when I haven't been super focused on wanting to lose weight. It's so fucking hard. Oh my god, it's so hard. Every diet I try, I fail at. So hard. I've done keto, low carb, slow carb, vegan, raw food, done Zumba, personal training, hiked 1000km, tried to change my life in so many ways, and it's just failure after failure. I don't know why. It's so hard, man. I know it being hard is no excuse. I know this is my fault. I know I've brought this on myself. But fuck is it hard. It's kind of annoying to hear people glibly say "just lose weight"! It's like - I have spent the last ten years failing at that. Right now I'm focusing on understanding stress and my DNA after getting sequenced and getting a really strong understanding of how my body works. Maybe this is going to be the key. Wish me luck. Thanks for the advice.
Bowser701 · 2 points · Posted at 23:59:49 on May 16, 2018 · (Permalink)
Start slow, work your way up. That's what I did for myself. I'd say the hardest part is to make something routine. Once you do, it's super easy to maintain a routine without really thinking about it.
You don't need a crazy diet or anything. I'd probably recommend first to cut out all sugars. No Sodas, no candy, no Starbucks, etc. This was super tough on me since I used to down a 12 pack of soda in 2-3 days. After you get used to it though, you don't really think about it. Saves money only getting water at restaurants as well.
Next cut down or out on carbs, as those turn into sugars, and sugar holds literally zero value in your body.
For exercise, I'd recommend two directions. Either high intensity interval training (like sprints for example) as it doesn't take much time and you can fit in into your daily routine super easy, or just straight long distance running.
Just follow the basic principle of using more calories than you intake, you'll drop weight. Cardio drops weight good but also reduces muscle mass, so bodybuilders usually do HIIT to maintain it, however I don't think that's your focus so you can freely pick between the two in my opinion.
Like I stated, it really is hard to build that routine, but once you do, it'll be ezpz.
If you have any questions or if I can be of help feel free to hit me up, hope everything works out for you.
jert3 · 2 points · Posted at 02:07:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately no one is that honest :) Vast majority, vast vast majority of folks would elect the easier route of just not saying anything on the topic and get out of there before ever wanting to tell you something you don't want to hear.
HateWhinyBitches · 1 points · Posted at 01:18:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Have more holidays man, like sheesh!
No-vem-ber · 2 points · Posted at 06:22:48 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
???
jert3 · 5 points · Posted at 02:06:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It certainly isn't easy. And guess what? It only gets more difficult every year as well. Sorry if that's a depressing thought but wanted to warn you in case you are younger.
swordmalice · 4 points · Posted at 02:24:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh no worries; I'm in my early 30s so still young but not young. It definitely gets harder every year, and every year what hope I have left slowly goes down the drain. At some point I might have to accept that I simply won't ever find someone.
Shantotto11 · 2 points · Posted at 03:57:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Relevant.., https://www.reddit.com/r/2meirl4meirl/comments/7l14pf/2meirl4meirl/?st=JCTYWQZV&sh=9a3a9061
swordmalice · 3 points · Posted at 04:53:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ouch. That really hit close to home.
The_Height_of_Folly · 4 points · Posted at 02:54:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is it possible to learn this power?
DrMobius0 · 9 points · Posted at 05:31:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not from an incel...
joeyjojosharknado · 223 points · Posted at 21:56:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is extremely common is people demanding or expecting those qualities in a partner when they don't have many of those qualities themselves.
[deleted] · 37 points · Posted at 02:05:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bingo.
bluespirit442 · 41 points · Posted at 02:26:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Being an attractive person personality wise is like being a physically attractive person.
You need to work on it. Train, persevere, work hard and all.
e3super · 14 points · Posted at 05:46:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That sounds hard. Can't I just be a lazy dirt-bag who eats pizza while his wife goes to work?
peachtea18 · 7 points · Posted at 07:45:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of course you can. Just don't complain when you're still single.
Shantotto11 · 12 points · Posted at 03:50:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When r/Tinder and r/OKCupid meet r/ChoosingBeggars...
TechRepSir · 3 points · Posted at 04:12:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm single.... That's close enough right?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 05:27:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'll take ugly, dumb, and poor if you have the rest.
paperslacker · 70 points · Posted at 19:25:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Meh, he’s got most those boxes checked. I’m ok with that. If my partner was mentally stable, they wouldn’t be able to understand my extreme lack of stability.
marshmallowhug · 24 points · Posted at 20:46:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, I'm dating mine, so he's not single, right? Is that still a requirement?
(He meets my expectations in all the categories listed, honestly. He's only slightly behind me in commitment, and better than me in the other categories.)
-Mania- · 10 points · Posted at 01:54:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe he described the single market than people already in relationships. As they say, the best ones are already taken.
[deleted] · 67 points · Posted at 19:02:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 23:22:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yep the only women who want me are women I am not attracted to, but they find me funny and they figure that is about as good as they can do.
hfiti123 · 44 points · Posted at 19:19:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Think about all those things you mentioned, are you all of those things? Statistically, probably not. So now you think about all those things actually being in another person, why would they Wana be with someone who isn't on their level? Gotta comprise on this list, some one of you will be, some the other, and some of it you will both have.
unicorn_mafia537 · 2 points · Posted at 23:17:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, I have someone with the same checked boxes as me -- does that count?
_Azweape_ · 32 points · Posted at 22:58:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
as a single person looking for a mate, i find this post very disheartening. :(
fx32 · 7 points · Posted at 08:53:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You just have to pick the 2-3 things you find most important. I'd say go for similar intelligence and demeanor to yourself.
On the first date, imagine a crisis, like being stuck in an elevator for a few hours. Try to picture whether this is the kind of person that would make that situation better, or worse. Optimistic/talkative/funny but unemployed would work better for me than attractive but a bit spoiled for example.
fuzzwell · 18 points · Posted at 01:16:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dated and had fun until I was 36 before I settled down. Don't fret. Just keep yourself in good shape, do your best, and when you break up with someone do it nicely and on good terms. You never know when they will set you up with their friend that might be a good fit. (happened to me).
Dom4s · 12 points · Posted at 21:37:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And with genius trait that gives +6 to all stats
LawfulInsane · 4 points · Posted at 08:09:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And with high dynastic prestige.
/r/crusaderkings is leaking.
caYabo · 11 points · Posted at 05:31:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The single part is the real kicker here. Why? Because someone who isn't an idiot recognized all those qualities in them and treated them right/committed to them already. Protip: That single chick you met in the bar the other night is just like you... Not perfect
miauw62 · 20 points · Posted at 23:44:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
i like to think im single enough to make up for the other items.
erbw22 · 13 points · Posted at 21:01:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Key word : ready for commitment. Impossible to find.
CampCounselorBatman · 1 points · Posted at 05:31:53 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
False. I've been ready for commitment for years. I was practically born ready. Too ready. It comes off as desperation or instability.
Bossdwarf · 11 points · Posted at 21:21:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean. They're everywhere, but just either the wrong gender, or I'm not their type.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 22:59:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have never asked for successful. Smart, funny, somewhat attractive, mentally stable seem like decent criteria. Then again, I have just given up about 2 years ago and do not see pursuit of this sort of happiness again.
e3super · 1 points · Posted at 06:14:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Forget about mentally stable and all sorts of options open up.
Get_a_username · 30 points · Posted at 18:50:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Guess I lucked out :)
anatola · 15 points · Posted at 23:00:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same! I knew my man was a catch but, damn. Just realized that I’m a lot luckier than I knew before.
hypnogogick · 10 points · Posted at 19:16:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same here! Believing the above comment to be true kept me in shitty relationships before I found my fiancé.
Ketzeph · 8 points · Posted at 19:47:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same! I'm constantly reminded by watching my friends and their relationships of how lucky I was to find my wonderful wife.
swordmalice · 8 points · Posted at 22:39:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Got any tips for those of us still unlucky in love? I just had yet another potential romantic interest fall through and I'm starting to lose hope.
ambisinister_sloth · 14 points · Posted at 21:28:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don’t need 3/4 of these things to be happy with her as my gf.
Still have no hope though because I’m too hideous myself.
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 23:21:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
General_Kenobi896 · 3 points · Posted at 00:52:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Accurate as fuck
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:41:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Thijs-vr · 1 points · Posted at 01:09:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Netherlands. 36,500 euros per year.
asasdasasdPrime · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right. I forget currencies thats not USD or CAD exist. Oops.
unidan_was_right · 1 points · Posted at 03:10:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
your only positive...
rain_and_hurricane · 1 points · Posted at 10:38:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean the cards are not overwhelmingly stacked against you. +9" dick is crazy talk anyway. Depends on how old you are the commitment and salary aren't exactly deal breaker. You'd be surprised how far you can go by being funny and tall.
Patmcpsu · 14 points · Posted at 00:14:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife is all of those things... but has zero sex drive
unidan_was_right · 19 points · Posted at 03:11:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
With you...
PatriceOnealsBigToe · 27 points · Posted at 04:55:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Got DAMN Reddit.
He MARRIED to her bruh. Let him live man. DAMN.
TheCrazyAlice · 6 points · Posted at 01:23:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But would you trade sex drive for any of the others?!
redditor_85 · 7 points · Posted at 02:24:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
successful. she can be just decent at her job.
LoneThestral · 8 points · Posted at 01:05:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And lesbian in my case :/
DrCathyGale · 2 points · Posted at 19:38:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right?? Having any sort of standards just makes our already small WLW dating pool even tinier :(
klatnyelox · 5 points · Posted at 23:54:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I (apparently) had all but successful and mentally stable when I started my relationship with my wife.
I personally thought that I only had smart (as in, superior in knowledge and reasoning in at least one aspect of thought to at least half the people I met. Read: 'average') and the ready for commitment and single parts.
It's going to be hard having this marriage started from two unsuccessful, (relatively) mentally unstable souls, with immigration to factor in to boot, but at least we are both attracted to each other.
gaelen33 · 4 points · Posted at 00:12:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I found one and he's everything but the last :( damn you Jebus!!!
browsit · 4 points · Posted at 00:35:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I consider myself extremely lucky to have been successful with finding all of those in a mate. Extremely lucky, and I still met at least 200 people in the process of looking.
Stubev · 9 points · Posted at 20:25:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I found a 5/7. That ain't bad, eh?
Saxon-Landshark · 10 points · Posted at 22:02:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How is Mrs Palmer and her 5 daughters?
joshyboy9511 · 6 points · Posted at 23:36:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some people might call that a perfect score
CaptainRan · 2 points · Posted at 08:02:42 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
5/7 is a perfect score.
dargombres · 8 points · Posted at 22:41:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Learned the hard way that nobodys perfect. Just be the best version of yourself and accept your SO’s flaw.
SneakyThrowawaySnek · 3 points · Posted at 01:20:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've only ever had 5/7 at a time. Found a girl that had 6/7, though, and for some reason she married me. Still don't know why.
DerHoggenCatten · 3 points · Posted at 14:06:04 on July 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is explained statistically in a book called "The Science of Happily Ever After" by Ty Tashiro. He breaks down the "lists" of things people want from a mate and essentially says you get "3 wishes" from your list and anything beyond that is statistically outside of the realm of reasonable expectation. The second chapter offers percentages that fit some of the things you mention. For example, only 10% of the population is "attractive", 14% are "bright" (above average intelligence), 30% make $60k (and smaller proportions make more than that). Once people start throwing in things like height, hair color, politics, and hobbies in common, they put themselves into a tiny window of success. I strongly recommend the book.
All that being said, I won the lottery with my husband. I actually had a list of qualities that I shared with him when we were friends and he hit 6 out of 10 strongly and later hit 2 more as he changed his interests. The last 2 were pretty trivial shared interests and didn't even matter that much to me even at the time.
pocketmnky · 1 points · Posted at 16:41:25 on July 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is interesting. Having not read that book, I can only hope and assume that what is also complicated (in my belief) with these statistics is that so many of them would not only be reductive, but also potentially exclusive to each other.
The idea that a person (for instance) would be able to be both pure and innocent as well as demure and sexy. Not to say that this combination can not occur, but it would seem that one trait would likely be removed by the other. Or another example might be that a person be both carefree and unpredictable while still being responsible and stable. These concepts seem to represents two ends of a spectrum that you, at best, might find someone suitable in the middle of; with the ability to move freely to and from either side of.
So often I have observed men and women both, who are single, who pine for a partner that meets their needs, but who hold onto standards and expectations that (as you and Tashiro say) statistically eliminate any mate. And so they remain single.
Your story, which I find interesting, is one where you had found someone who hit several but not all of your favored qualities. Were one or two of those first six qualities something that many men already had? Low-hanging fruit so to say. Did you end up only having three or four actual wishes in that list of six?
Because in the end, you took a risky leap of faith that of your ten, at least two were trivial, at least two were dynamic (they changed over time), and I'd suspect that at least two were traits that weren't extremely specific, like he has a good job or he knows how to drive a car; traits that a very large percentage of men are already socially striving towards anyway.
Because what it seems to me is that you (and many other's who have replied to this comment of mine) have done, is not so much "won the lottery" as you have just "focused on the most important distinct qualities" and let the other qualities fall into their proper place.
You love the individual, love their principal qualities, accept the many many other qualities, and just enjoy them as a whole. Congrats!
DerHoggenCatten · 1 points · Posted at 20:12:55 on July 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
I still have the actual list (even though it was 31 years ago). It was in order of desirability:
1&2: intelligence and honesty (Both had to be there)
My husbands IQ is 150 and the "honesty" I got and wanted was not lying to me about anything and included being candid about feelings and problems, ever. I am told "everybody lies," but my husband and I do not lie to each other, even about piddly crap. I think that was a tall order, especially because folded into "honesty" was authenticity and the capacity to talk about things most people wanted to sweep under the rug. He's uncommonly emotionally available.
3: Attentive. I don’t mean being showered with gifts, but somebody who is going to listen to me when I have something important to say. My experience continues to be that this is rare in both genders.
4: Ambitious or motivated and not in terms of money, status, or fame. I wanted someone who embraced a constant state of personal growth/self-actualizing. This was also a taller order than someone who wanted to make a lot of money (lots of those out there) or get a job which had social cache.
5: Being open-minded beyond the norm
6: gregarious - not going out and partying, but being social
7: educated (husband has a Master's now, had a Bachelor's when I met him)
And, from there, they got smaller: 8: doesn’t smoke. 9: somebody who’s into psychology 10: somebody who reads Vonnegut or liked the music I liked then (which I changed tastes about) 11: physical attributes I preferred (hairy, meaty, but not muscled, "Jewish-looking")
I don't think I wanted things most people have, but I can say that these things were nearly all beyond the capacity of nearly every available man I grew up near to deliver on, especially the first two which I would not do without. Of these 11 things, my husband only lacks #10 now, and, even then (31 years ago), only lacked 9 and 10 (it's the only one that changed). I considered anything after 6 to be gravy.
I guess you can judge for yourself if I was not so much lucky or whatnot.
pocketmnky · 1 points · Posted at 00:09:54 on July 12, 2018 · (Permalink)
See in your particular example it seems like not very much of your list inherently contradicts itself per se:
Educated, intelligent, driven. These traits don't always go hand in hand, but if you wanted to cast your nets where these fish are, you can easily go to a college campus and find a lot of these guys too choose from.
Open-minded and gregarious (as opposed to closed-off, negative and stubborn). Nothing mutually exclusive there.
Honesty. I understand what you mean here because my ex-wife was one of a very few truly honest people. I used to tell me people that there was never any dissonance between what she said and what she thought or felt. She was exactly what she appeared to be and nothing more. Actually that was quite boring.
But you're talking about is more about intimacy than simple honesty (I think). The ability to openly and honestly share everything from his current emotional state, to his dissatisfaction over the TV show you're watching. Out of curiosity, let me ask you this: what would you think if he suddenly blurted out that he found a woman at the supermarket attractive?
What I like about your list (on top of not being particularly contradictory) is that your main points are all things that are character traits; static, non-changing traits that he has probably started and will end his life exhibiting.
The rest of your list (the gravy as you call it), are all things that are dynamic, and may come into or out of his life. He may someday learn about psychology, read Vonegut, or even start to appreciate the same music that you do.
The key is that you (and I think most people who are actually in relationships and not waiting for their list to be fulfilled) focused on the deeper him and didn't read into the superficial, ever-changing traits like looks, or car, or even interests. Because those things change and grow whereas the deep-down type of person he is will not.
It's partially luck; but give yourself credit for knowing which lottery ticket to "shop for". :)
General_Kenobi896 · 6 points · Posted at 00:50:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You forgot compassionate. Put all of that together and you're reaching Unicorn status.
sanderson1983 · 2 points · Posted at 23:05:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Six out of seven ain't bad.
CaptainJAmazing · 2 points · Posted at 23:21:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Feels lucky
cherrybomb921 · 2 points · Posted at 00:53:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
so are you saying I should just give up?
bman10_33 · 2 points · Posted at 02:41:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah from what I've seen, it's more like
Person 1 and 2: you're sort of nice.
Person 1: screw it you're good enough wanna be together?
Person 2: no, screw you. smirks
Person 1: sounds like a plan.
blah blah blah not very happily ever after but close enough.
People aren't perfect, even through preferences that don't care about their weaker sides.
Plus, IMO anything resembling love is more about working with each other and moving past them NOT being perfect.
Plutonac · 2 points · Posted at 02:50:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is either making me feel really good about myself, or it is making me wonder what is wrong with me. Probably both, depending on which me wakes up in the morning (really hoping it isn't that other asshole in my head).
Blue-eyed-lightning · 2 points · Posted at 03:55:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've found plenty of people like that. The key problem is that they aren't ever interested in me.
sjbeast · 2 points · Posted at 05:39:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is what the friend zone is made of lol.
4everfaythful · 2 points · Posted at 06:17:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Best one! 🌟🌟🌟
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:44:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's my SO, though he is not single and hasn't been for 10 years. He is all of those combined.
sev_00010101 · 2 points · Posted at 02:36:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is my boyfriend (minus the single part). I'm gonna screenshot this post and go tell him that I'm so glad he's in my life.
ShinyRacoon · 1 points · Posted at 21:44:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How many of those can I choose?
TheCrazyAlice · 6 points · Posted at 01:23:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How many of those are you?
poopies_monkey · 1 points · Posted at 21:55:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You just described me
tufffffff · 1 points · Posted at 00:09:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right!?!?
Niniju · 1 points · Posted at 01:12:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I'll just settle for someone similar to me. Which is some but not all of those things, but I might be a bit biased.
WoefulKnight · 1 points · Posted at 02:38:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am all of these things. Where do I find another one?
nitiger · 1 points · Posted at 02:41:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hmm, I suppose being compassionate/kind isn't a requirement? Thank God.
thatguy8856 · 1 points · Posted at 02:58:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Successful and attractive are really all i need man.
TedFlowsby · 1 points · Posted at 03:23:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm half of those things
Capitalsfan2016 · 1 points · Posted at 03:37:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't be greedy. You get to pick 2.
Sylerxen · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My partner has all the above except mentally stable lol I think he's out of his goddamn mind but he's hot, tho
YosarianiLives · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
let's not get too carried away in our wish list...
Syenite · 1 points · Posted at 04:05:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
4/7... not bad! Where dem ladies!
RanaktheGreen · 1 points · Posted at 04:20:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm going to do my damn best to be all that.
So far: I've got smart and single.
lividimp · 1 points · Posted at 04:34:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Soooo...a fantasy?
Realistically it's more like a "pick three" proposition.
Psychobob2213 · 1 points · Posted at 04:42:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sexy, Smart, Single, Sane. If you can get 3 you're doing really well.
lemonchickentellya · 1 points · Posted at 04:57:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What did Jerry Seinfeld say? Only seven percent tops of people are dateable?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 05:58:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Reading this makes me feel good to know I accomplished a rarity :3
JoshS1 · 1 points · Posted at 09:00:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I lucked out!
Speicherleck · 1 points · Posted at 09:17:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or the alternative is that you can find it but not in the way you thought it would be. The projection I had in my mind of the person I would be spending my life with is quite different than the actual person I am spending my life with.
starlinguk · 1 points · Posted at 10:40:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife, you mean? OK, she's not single anymore, of course...
Ignite20 · 1 points · Posted at 11:07:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi. Where you at?
wharangbuh · 1 points · Posted at 07:09:00 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
..and ready to mingle.
wolfman1911 · 1 points · Posted at 04:00:34 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, you know that old joke. Single, attractive, sane; pick any two.
Eulerich · 1 points · Posted at 08:33:26 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
The important question is:
Are you successful, smart, funny, attractive, mentally stable and ready for commitment?
asparien · 1 points · Posted at 01:32:34 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
TIL I'm a metaphorical unicorn. I guess my wife just doesn't know how lucky she really is!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:10:52 on February 23, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not "mentally stable" if by that you mean I don't have a psychiatric diagnoses. People aren't perfect. Deal with it.
chocolatemarshmellow · 20360 points · Posted at 14:41:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Becoming a successful YouTuber
mang3lo · 1418 points · Posted at 18:20:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My coworker told me he was quitting his job to focus on his video gaming and streaming.. I just wished him a hearty "good luck"..
Boukensha94 · 338 points · Posted at 19:09:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Please give us an update in a few months.
josh_the_nerd_ · 122 points · Posted at 20:40:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We all know how it's gonna go.
I just hope they're not leaving a job with a decent wage and benefits. Cause that would be incredibly stupid.
Googoo123450 · 111 points · Posted at 21:22:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The only way I see it as justified is if they're already making decent money at it and want to make more but can't unless they go full time. This requires already having a following so it would lessen the risk quite a bit.
TheCrowGrandfather · 62 points · Posted at 23:07:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know quite a few channels that were moderately successful back when CoD commentaries were the hot thing back in MW2. Some of them went "YouTube pro" and quit their successful jobs. They spiraled quickly where they were posting 3-4 videos a day, often of complete garbage, just to get views. None of them seem to actively make videos anymore. I went back and checked on one a few days ago. He's down to 1 video every 3 days and it's mostly just Vlogs with his kids.
But I will always remember this one quote from Wings of redemption (arguably the most popular CoD streamer back then). Someone asked him what we would do if YouTube stopped supporting him. His reply was that he'd never have to go back to a real job after YouTube because he could go in to promoting.
scrappy6262 · 34 points · Posted at 04:48:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
God I miss those days, the Whiteboy7thst before he sold out, woody, WoR, zzirGrizz, all these awesome montages. Nowadays it seems almost every person is in it for the money, to find someone just passionate about gaming is tough
LMason000 · 17 points · Posted at 08:33:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shit, those were the days. Actual quality helpful videos epically from Woody, now it's just bullshit content filler blah blah smash this button, smash that button.
scrappy6262 · 12 points · Posted at 15:32:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. I don't even enjoy watching gamers anymore, the ONLY people i'll watch is Speedyw03, sidearms4reason and there crew. They're atleast funny geniune people, and dont beg for likes and subs every second of the video
janga8 · 9 points · Posted at 04:24:08 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sovietwomble too
wolflie · 2 points · Posted at 11:19:26 on February 19, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm stuck with "yippee kay yay mr falcon" (the one that also goes on gameranx) his voice is very plaesant and seems like a genuine guy
TheCrowGrandfather · 8 points · Posted at 11:21:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven't watched Woody in probably 5 years. Not since he "went pro" and started uploading garbage constantly. I still remember the video that made me quite watching him. He put a glowstick in the microwave and filmed it. At that point I realized his channel would never be the same, he was going to make junk videos just to inflate his view counts and get paid.
scrappy6262 · 5 points · Posted at 15:33:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember that video! It was honestly the major turning point of his channel. It's sad cause he was just a good, informative, calm guy. Things change when money's involved
ThankGodForCOD4 · 5 points · Posted at 12:08:41 on February 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know this is two weeks old but I just wanted to let you know that I'm unhappy that you left out hutch!
scrappy6262 · 3 points · Posted at 13:54:08 on February 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am sad I forgot! I think i'm gonna start my morning by going back and watching some old videos. Back to when gaming videos were for gaming not cash grabs
pcbuildthro · 11 points · Posted at 03:50:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I guess your point is made by the fact that I have no idea who that guy is.
Cartossin · 7 points · Posted at 21:44:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I say it's going to go great!
PM_ME_YOUR_CLIT_LADY · 25 points · Posted at 05:20:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why? Just smash that like button and don't forget to subscribe and make sure to sign up for updates and push notifications.
waytosoon · 11 points · Posted at 18:35:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A YouTuber asked me to "smash" the like button in a video, and it made me unjustifiably angry
dsquidmusic · 1 points · Posted at 02:23:00 on April 21, 2018 · (Permalink)
He’s pewdiepie
ItsYaBoiDJ · 8 points · Posted at 05:42:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it's great to at least give it a shot, same goes for any dream, as long as you have a plan b.
Choco_Churro_Charlie · 10 points · Posted at 03:09:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That guys name?
Mike "Shroud" Something Polish.
Edd1eMurphy · 4 points · Posted at 05:00:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hope he isnt streaming destiny 2
RadiantPumpkin · 3 points · Posted at 05:42:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did he shit on the boss's car on the way out so he couldn't talk himself out of it
astuteobservor · 3 points · Posted at 06:17:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
people do that after they break 500k subs. not before. certainly not quit the day job before. about avg 50k views per video they put up.
ChrisTheCoolBean · 2 points · Posted at 13:01:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You don't remember me. We spoke on the phone two days ago... I told you I would find you.
mang3lo · 1 points · Posted at 14:45:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you like scary movies?
mordecailynian · 2 points · Posted at 18:36:08 on June 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey oh, just checking in, is he ok?
mang3lo · 1 points · Posted at 19:20:47 on June 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
22 hearts.. 346 views.. and all the videos he had were pulled down because there's nothing uploaded lol
mordecailynian · 1 points · Posted at 19:43:54 on June 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn, this is just... sad, what is he doing now?
mang3lo · 1 points · Posted at 21:30:37 on June 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably selling drugs
beccafawn · 2 points · Posted at 10:19:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's how my 23 year old neckbeard cousin is going to make his money. On a satellite internet connection because his dumbass mother moved them out to the middle of nowhere.
Draconfound · 1 points · Posted at 04:08:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You should have asked for a shout-out on his channel
fuckthegayfaggots · 1 points · Posted at 06:53:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
if your coworker was Bajo. Then i can confirm he is doing great.
LateJumble · 1 points · Posted at 07:45:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Update on what happened so far?
Showyoucan · 1 points · Posted at 09:15:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah you have to have an actual personality for that to work. Source: I like to stream, but I’m also boring so I mostly just have a couple of friends that watch and hang out.
Huuballawick · 1 points · Posted at 10:38:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gaming is a particularly difficult genre to get an audience for. There's millions upon millions of gaming videos and channels, and many of them have either some kind of hook (a grandma, a guy and his mom, an animator and a singer, etc), really high production values, really engaging content or any combination of those.
Its really a mix of time, luck, and consistency.
SecretScorekeeper · 1 points · Posted at 13:49:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The guy who works at the sandwich shop in one of our buildings was saying the same thing. I think he's in school for Physical Therapy or something but that's not his passion. He's going to focus on his gaming and streaming. I wished him success and asked if he had a link to his stuff. Well... he hasn't actually started yet, but he's coming up with ideas.
eatmorepies23 · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:56 on February 6, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is the channel name?
conalfisher · 1 points · Posted at 12:26:33 on March 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
We're going to need an update on this.
yangqwuans · 1 points · Posted at 19:24:57 on March 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Any updates to share?
Weabootrash0505 · 1 points · Posted at 19:13:20 on April 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
updates
mang3lo · 1 points · Posted at 20:55:25 on April 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
After all of the replies the past few days I sent him a text like "hey man! Do you have a stream I can watch? I used to enjoy watching you wreck shit up on rainbow six" (because we used to go to his place after work and smoke grass and I truly enjoyed watching him own people).
He never text me back. And that's as tenous a relationship I wish to have with this guy. So I guess it never took off.. otherwise he would have definitely advertised it to me..
spooky_toothpick · 1 points · Posted at 19:36:30 on May 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
U/mang3lo hows your ex coworkers streaming journey coming along?
mang3lo · 2 points · Posted at 20:13:35 on May 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
22 hearts. 336 eyeballs (views?) And no videos lol.. he had two overwatch videos titled path to platinum.. maybe a month ago. So seemingly not successful
spooky_toothpick · 1 points · Posted at 20:16:33 on May 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Those are roome numbers if your quitting your job for that
spooky_toothpick · 1 points · Posted at 20:16:45 on May 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rookie*
mang3lo · 2 points · Posted at 20:35:11 on May 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right? Lol
SanjiSasuke · 9503 points · Posted at 17:39:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am actually surprised at how many people CAN make a living on Youtube. It is almost an alien concept for a person who grew up watching skateboard fails on original YT.
ri-ri · 454 points · Posted at 19:11:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A few of my friends from elementary are now full time you tubers. I am actually so surprised they made it big! Literally just food challenges (i.e. cinnamon challenge, pizza challenge, mcdonalds challenge...) have been their sole source of income, and they're loaded.
redpilled_brit · 417 points · Posted at 19:35:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good thing they have a backup plan when the shift occurs.
UnderEquipped · 422 points · Posted at 19:43:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was watching shroud the other day and he was talking about this, his twitch became massive super quick like 35k subs at one point. But he was like what happens when people no longer want to watch me or I can't stream anymore. How long is it gonna last, 2 years? 10 years? Seems like he has a finical advisor and is investing his money though which is nice.
Doctor_Lift · 206 points · Posted at 19:56:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It makes me happy that he's self critical and smart about his money.
Shodan_ · 18 points · Posted at 00:11:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Speaking of which, I like Critical and especially the bit where he gives his yt money away
TheHateCamel · 9 points · Posted at 23:21:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That fits in this thread pretty well. That shit is rare.
MyGodItsAmazing · 168 points · Posted at 19:59:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Remember somebody online taking about meeting him before he was streaming and was still playing CS:GO for C9. Apparently he mentioned the same thing about playing pro, he didn't know how long it would last or what he would have to do next. I think the guy is just a financially responsible guy which is good to hear.
manquistador · 119 points · Posted at 21:10:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have watched a lot of streamers. Most of them seem to live on pretty low day to day expenses. When you play video games most of the week your biggest expense is probably going to be ordering food every day.
thepsychedelist · 73 points · Posted at 22:02:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Weed
BlueFalcon3725 · 29 points · Posted at 22:07:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is why JoshOG is sponsored by weedmaps.
quantumhovercraft · 8 points · Posted at 23:48:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Power bills.
shadowalien13 · 1 points · Posted at 00:18:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you have a good PSU (which you should when your pc is on most of the time and you're playing daily) power bills aren't as high as you'd think.
T-two · 1 points · Posted at 01:08:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gaming accessories?
spacetug · 20 points · Posted at 21:03:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, it kind of makes sense that someone who's really skilled at evaluating risk and predicting what's likely to happen in video games would also think the same way about financial planning.
eliechallita · 74 points · Posted at 21:53:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You could make that argument for pro athletes as well, but a depressing number of them seem to make poor financial decisions.
Hell, a lot of people whose entire job is making good financial decisions for other people seem to make poor financial decisions for themselves.
GoingOffline · 23 points · Posted at 22:13:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can't remember the percentage, but a large percentage of NFL & NBA players file for bankruptcy.
worthsies · 18 points · Posted at 00:13:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The theory behind that is that a lot of them grow up in homes with little financial stability and they're just not used to money. When they suddenly get handed millions of dollars they just go crazy.
kindawack · 1 points · Posted at 02:22:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That, and they try to provide for their family, extended family, friends, and communities which stretches their resources too thin.
Al_Pateemo · 1 points · Posted at 04:37:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That doesn’t really hold up in the NBA, people with a poor background are way underrepresented and have been since the 80’s. I think it’s as simple as most young adults are bad with money and most pro careers are only a few years long, average career length in the NBA is 5 years and I think around 3-4 in the NFL and those are both being dragged up by the veterans that have established themselves in their respective leagues.
DancinginAshes · 3 points · Posted at 01:17:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of that are the lower tier players though who make bad lifestyle choices.
Like, if you're on a 6th rounder's rookie contract, your ass needs to be in a reasonably priced apartment that's close to the practice facility, and you should be driving a civic. You should not be buying a $400,000 home and a mercedes.
pencil-thin-mustache · 2 points · Posted at 01:15:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Something astonishing like 80% within 5 years of retiring.
ESPN 30 for 30: Broke is def worth the watch
orlandofredhart · 12 points · Posted at 22:15:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I suppose you can afford to make poor financial decisions when you're getting paid millions
eliechallita · 17 points · Posted at 22:20:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In some cases yes, but in others your mistakes just get comparatively larger.
orlandofredhart · 1 points · Posted at 22:25:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
True that. But just how big would your mistakes have to be to mess up if you were getting paid professional sports stars wages! Bit then as you say stiff would probably het bigger, instead of wasting £100 you would waste a grand etc
eliechallita · 2 points · Posted at 22:42:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, that's exactly the point: Think of it as taking risk as a percentage of your wealth, as opposed to basing it on the raw numbers.
Someone who risks 1% of their income is going to be fine, as long as they aren't living dollar to dollar. Someone who risks 10% might be ok if they manage it wisely.
But someone who risks 90% of their wealth on a stupid idea is very probably going to get burned regardless of how rich they are. The major difference is that the remaining 10% can be enough for you to rebuild afterwards if it is large enough.
orlandofredhart · 1 points · Posted at 22:48:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
See I get that completely and that's how I would look at it, percentage. But the average wage for a premiership footballer (UK) is 50k/week so even after wasting 90% they're still taking home 5k a week! So they could waste all that money and still be comfortable. There's stories of 20 year old driving Bentleys to training and stuff. Outrageous money
eliechallita · 2 points · Posted at 22:52:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I agree with you there. There's also the case that it's practically impossible to go broke once you exceed a certain level of wealth, as long as you did a minimum of financial planning.
The Walton family (the heirs to Walmart), for example, could piss away every cent that they own right now and burn down all of their stores: The interest on their stocks alone would make them millionaires again by tomorrow.
orlandofredhart · 2 points · Posted at 22:53:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Having too much money to go broke: the billionaires struggle is real.
eliechallita · 2 points · Posted at 22:59:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know, my heart weeps for them
rubberboyband · 2 points · Posted at 22:47:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And that's the mentality of these athletes that blow all their money. Lifestyle inflation coupled with a relatively short career shelf-life and no fall back plan leave many of them broke within a few years of leaving the sport.
orlandofredhart · 2 points · Posted at 22:52:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And they still party and ball like they're still earning the money they used to. So in the UK football is obviously the biggest money maker and players careers ate much longer than American football athletes. Players can be on a clubs books from 5/6 years old (obviously not getting paid at that age, but as soon as theyre 16 they are eligible for a professional contract) and stay there for 20 years. A professional football career of ten to 15 years isn't uncommon, whereas American football is more like 5 I believe.l?
rubberboyband · 1 points · Posted at 00:17:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, that sounds about right. They also take quite a few blows to the head, fuck up their knees, and generally beat the hell out of their bodies. UK footballers and baseball and basketball players are generally better off long-term both physically and financially. It sure doesn't stop some of them from blowing through their millions though. Mo money mo problems I guess.
AMasonJar · 1 points · Posted at 22:50:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Hah, I'm making millions of dollars, there's no way I'll run out!"
"Shit, I ran out.. Maybe I shouldn't have bought that Ferrari."
orlandofredhart · 1 points · Posted at 22:54:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"if I sell it straight away I'll get nearly as much as what I paid for it!"
netmier · 1 points · Posted at 23:29:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Only the stars get “made for life money” the guys on the bench or filling out NFL rosters make good money, but not live the rest of your life in comfort money. Especially considering the crazy medical bills they’ll have the rest of their lives.
That’s why more and more athletes focus on being media savvy. Hell, you see guys commenting on games after their season is over, not even their career. They’re getting screen time early and showing ESPN (since they’re the only game in town now) that they can do the job well. You might make a couple million your entire career to live on for 30-50 years and that’s assuming you save most of it. Makes sense to have the only job you’re qualified for: talking about the sport you used to play.
sudoku7 · 1 points · Posted at 01:52:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think part of the problem is you aren't going to continue earning those millions as you continue, unlike more traditional career/salary paths. After 10 years you're going to be looking at starting at entry level again, which can be harsh if you didn't aggressively plan for your early retirement.
Aldo_Novo · 1 points · Posted at 23:14:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
likewise, there are plenty of doctors that smoke
kindawack · 1 points · Posted at 02:25:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Many pro athletes come from impoverished families and communities so when they make it "big" they have dozens of people asking for money. Of course, most pro athletes have a short career, so the money doesn't last long as they can't say no to friends and family.
eliechallita · 1 points · Posted at 03:38:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know, and I don't really fault them. Financial management is a skill like any other, and one that these kids rarely have a chance to learn before they're mobbed by friends or predatory advisors
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:04:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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eliechallita · 1 points · Posted at 03:40:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I can see that. There's definitely a case of noblesse oblige. I've seen a milder form of it with tech and finance folks.
DontMessWithTrexes · 1 points · Posted at 22:13:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's true. Someone I kinda knew at school became the advisor at my local bank. Seen him a couple times over the last few years. Dude's broke asf.
Ares0362 · 19 points · Posted at 23:54:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A twitch streamer I watch asked the same question. He lived below his means for years, and is now a landlord for a few houses with plans on growing that investment. It’s good to see streamers/content providers being responsible and not squandering the amazing chance they’ve been given.
[deleted] · 25 points · Posted at 20:36:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is the question that always pops into my mind.
Think about TV shows: how long does the average TV show last? Not very long. (TV is only a rough analogy, because generally shows have rising production costs with each ensuing season as cast members start to demand higher salaries.) What about bands/artists? How many artists stay relevant for only a handful of years?
It's not like once you "make it" you're set for life and have this as a career forever. Unless you make it really big -- like, accumulate hundreds of thousands of dollars from -- I don't think making a passable income is really worth it. The streamers that explode and making insane amounts are enviable, but I think the ones that barely scrap buy don't have enviable futures.
MrRedTRex · 8 points · Posted at 00:29:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wonder about this a lot also, as a musician. Is it even feasible? Like for example, do the guys from 3 Doors Down need day jobs now? Probably.
Omophorus · 7 points · Posted at 01:33:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think 3 Doors Down still tours (for some reason) and people inexplicably still pay to see them.
Bet they're super tired of Kryptonite and Duck and Run by now (do they have any other songs?)...
guerillabear · 1 points · Posted at 16:34:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Loser but all those are almost 20 years old. They never really made another popular album
Omophorus · 1 points · Posted at 17:05:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh right, forgot about that. Probably because I can't stand the song...
BlissnHilltopSentry · 3 points · Posted at 03:13:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Really big bands from the past can still tour and make enough money from their fans, they just aren't rolling in it like they used to.
MrRedTRex · 3 points · Posted at 03:17:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember looking up some live videos from Alien Art Farm and seeing them playing in a decrepit bowling alley. Made me pretty sad.
JabroniSn0w · 109 points · Posted at 20:11:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like how do you explain that gap on your resumé?
Why were you unemployed these three years?
Uhh, I was recording myself playing video games and people would give me money to play more
NAparentheses · 272 points · Posted at 20:23:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can spin being e-famous as experience in marketing, building a brand, social media, etc.
Roolerk · 67 points · Posted at 20:31:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is key
CITY_F0X · 1 points · Posted at 02:18:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
MAJOR Key
funbob1 · 42 points · Posted at 21:26:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Running a business, technically.
[deleted] · 35 points · Posted at 22:54:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup. Self employment goes on your resume.
Kyleeee · 63 points · Posted at 20:47:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Absolutely. Someone like Shroud would have ZERO problems finding another career, especially today. I'm sure that dude has tons of valuable experience dealing with e-sports/PR etc. etc.
Janders2124 · -8 points · Posted at 00:09:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Zero problems? I think you're exaggerating at least a little.
Kyleeee · 14 points · Posted at 00:16:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not even in the slightest. If you're at all familiar with that sector, or entertainment/gaming sectors in general - you'd know people would be begging for him to work for them. I'm sure he'd be a shoo-in working for just about anything involving e-sports right off the bat.
E-sports isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future and Twitch just keeps getting more and more popular. He might not be streaming forever, but someone like him would have more then enough connections to get him a good job. In an industry like that, networking is 75% of the battle.
panopticon_aversion · 120 points · Posted at 20:26:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Freelance Digital Entertainment Producer- I was a first mover during a paradigm shift in the entertainment industry, creating grassroots material for [number of subscribers] out of a market of [daily twitch viewers]. I would produce [number of streaming hours] of video content per day, earning on average [daily takings].
AromaTaint · 73 points · Posted at 20:50:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Middle aged interviewer jots down, "Cam Performer". Double underscores.
SimplyQuid · 10 points · Posted at 01:28:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She's hired!
Uh, sir, it's actually a man.
Uh oh.
Bomlanro · 2 points · Posted at 03:03:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
In that case, double hired!
panopticon_aversion · 2 points · Posted at 07:20:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Make that 'grassroots family-friendly material'
_silverrocket · 1 points · Posted at 22:28:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
imma steal dis thanks
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 20:14:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I lie on my resume
Jesus-ChreamPious · 14 points · Posted at 20:21:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's just fine.
SolarSailor46 · 3 points · Posted at 20:52:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
All good in the hood.
Biffabin · 2 points · Posted at 00:54:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's probably how your boss got their job
Doogleyboogley · 0 points · Posted at 21:02:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Huh? What, are you honest when you pause something then lie when you want to resume?
TXHODLem · 63 points · Posted at 20:30:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
“I took advantage of a market trend and became a very successful online entrepreneur with a worldwide following of my brand consisting of X follower, averaging Y views per video. The market sentiment has now changed and the opportunity is no longer viable, so I have moved onto bigger and better things. When can I start?”
Phlebas99 · 20 points · Posted at 22:50:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you can't turn "tens of thousands of people turned up just to hear me speak/watch me play video games" into a positive point, I don't think you'd have the wherewithal to get YouTube famous to begin with.
cptjeff · 17 points · Posted at 21:23:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just set yourself up as the founder of an LLC "producing and marketing original video content" or somesuch. Doesn't take that much paperwork.
MadBodhi · 21 points · Posted at 20:28:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But there isn't a gap you put down however you were making money, youtube, twitch, crypto, social media manager, entrepreneur, whatever.
eliechallita · 7 points · Posted at 21:54:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most companies would love to hire someone who could grow a user base like that as a community marketing specialist, especially if it's close to the field that they originally got famous in.
windirein · 4 points · Posted at 22:50:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its self-employment, the opposite of a gap...
Zzyzzy_Zzyzzyson · 3 points · Posted at 23:59:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why wouldn’t that be legit? “I made thousands a week playing video games” would be a dream job for a lot of people.
JabroniSn0w · 2 points · Posted at 02:05:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not really a job though. I doubt many streamers can make a livable wage for more than a year streaming
It's part of the gig economy like Uber and Lyft are
BlissnHilltopSentry · 2 points · Posted at 03:11:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What gap?
That is employment.
"Self employed as a social media figure from 2016-2019"
torreneastoria · 1 points · Posted at 03:24:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
self-employed
JabroniSn0w · 2 points · Posted at 03:40:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Social Media Influencer"
Oidoy · 1 points · Posted at 05:10:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You say you were running your own business as an internet personality, selling merch, engaging in Facebook, twitter, going to events and doing sponsorship deals
PoiLethe · 0 points · Posted at 04:32:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It really depends on how invested and how much you pushed yourself. I've watched small and large youtubers and I think the thing that stands out is how they try to push their channel into being something more, or when they mention they are learning more about the behind the scenes stuff. Learning about cameras and editing and mics. Or maybe pushing to daily vlog or expanding the type of things they do. Or you have types like Kelly Eden where it may not be their main source of income, and it's less about the technical aspect and more about capturing the plethora of interests she has: modeling, painting, cosplay, makeup, fandoms, lifestyle(tattoos, unboxings, vlogs, fitness, mental health). It just ends up aiding in capturing what you have done and can do. A resume in and of itself. It may have not been what is traditionally viewed as a job, it was much like those "I took a year off before/after college and traveled and learned about things". Did you actually invest yourself into those hobbies. Were you dedicated or were you just "there".
One_pop_each · 25 points · Posted at 22:29:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What blows my mind is they all decide to move to LA for some reason. LA, where rent for a studio apartment is in the 1000’s.
You can literally stream from anywhere in the world. Are they trying to become legit celebrities? I understand making appearances and shit but got damn, that rent is not worth it for just being s E-List Celebrity.
UnderEquipped · 23 points · Posted at 22:34:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well if you think about it shroud is making a minimum of 60k a month from subs alone, then add donations, ad revenue, sponsors and his paid to play sessions he can easily afford to live there. Plus I believe his girlfriend has a job there but not too sure.
RolledUhhp · 7 points · Posted at 01:18:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy fuck. That's an insane amount of money.
SimplyQuid · 6 points · Posted at 01:29:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't even want to think about it. So envious.
Pandafy · 20 points · Posted at 22:49:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's the connections. Way easier to meet and find important people in big cities.
BlissnHilltopSentry · 11 points · Posted at 03:15:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was a big youtube fan for years and the key, as with anything, is getting connections. People rise to popularity by collaborating with more popular youtubers, and being on top of the game. Being in a city where all the other creators are and going to social events can be a big help.
Oidoy · 0 points · Posted at 05:12:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ehm a lot move to texas for tax reasons or wherever they were originally? Whos in LA other than ice, who needs the city for content
axllin · 2 points · Posted at 00:03:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That makes me really glad to hear. He seems like such a genuinely nice guy. Glad he's planning for the future too.
WIbigdog · 1 points · Posted at 01:51:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
35k subs? Or viewers...? 35k subs is almost 200k a month...
UnderEquipped · 2 points · Posted at 03:53:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He had 35k subs just before christmas and lost about 7k or so just after christmas, pretty sure he up to 30k again.
Starwind87 · 1 points · Posted at 16:39:05 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Remember that the streamer only gets part of the $5 subscription cost. If I recall, smaller streamers get $1.50 or $2, while bigger ones get $2.50 or sometimes $3 if they have some agreement with twitch. Likely a contract to only put their content on twitch.
KyleTheBoss95 · 1 points · Posted at 13:14:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a similar thing, I'm just not bigger yet. I've been experiencing fast growth on twitch, and my friends have asked me if I would make a career out of it or not. I always tell them it would be a short term thing, that I would finish college and make sure I was employable when that inevitable day hits where I'm not relevant anymore.
Hexxman007 · -1 points · Posted at 22:38:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
summit made shroud without summits push shroud wouldve crashed and burned especially because he is boring AF, when pubg gets old, ( and its happening fast) shroud will be yesterdays news.
UnderEquipped · 2 points · Posted at 22:45:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You maybe right I don't pay much attention to how streamers become famous. But shroud is now at the point he doesn't need to play pubg, I've seen him play monopoly while holding a 25k viewer count. Pretty sure he's also surpassed summit in terms of subs and I believe followers too now.
smartburro · 42 points · Posted at 22:03:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of the original YouTubers that are still around have set businesses up around it so they don't completely depend on AdSense, and a lot of advertisers will come to them directly for much bigger $$. A good/bad example is rooster teeth, small company became pretty massive, multichannels, but has built other sources of income to support them selves.
Plus advertisers love the main demographic, tweens/teens/millennials? People that don't watch traditional tv? Hell yeah.
Source: have been watching YouTube since before Google owned it.
JGar453 · 38 points · Posted at 20:09:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How hard we’re they hit by the adpocalypse of 2017? Because if you didn’t make family friendly content or if you weren’t Logan Paul you didn’t get money.
bp92009 · 53 points · Posted at 20:15:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of small creators took to patreon to weather the storm and found they like it better. The Jimquisition and The Great War were 2 that got hit big but swapped to mostly patreon and are doing reasonably well.
I've also gone to YouTube Red, as it means no ads personally, and you are worth 3-4x as much to a channel as a single person who watches an entire ad (and doesn't skip), so that benefits them more.
ThatOneMartian · 21 points · Posted at 22:09:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Youtube has ads?
bp92009 · 5 points · Posted at 22:34:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
On mobile? Yes, very much so. If I use my official app, it doesnt count against the data plan. I had ublock at home
eazolan · 2 points · Posted at 03:20:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ad blocker blocks them.
However, if you actually like content producers, you'll watch the ads.
Shodan_ · 2 points · Posted at 00:16:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jimquisition did not get hit because the videos were not monetized. I am not sure about other videos on the channel but the Monday show was 'free' unless content claimed
bp92009 · 2 points · Posted at 00:44:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, you are correct but the other videos certainly got hit. The deadlock he invented only cemented the problems he had with them (showing the entertaining lengths that were taken to ensure that if he couldn't get paid for it, nobody could). It was a decent revenue stream in the past.
ProvokedTree · 2 points · Posted at 01:48:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It still makes me laugh that "Content ID Deadlock" actually works.
It is the pettiest thing he could possibly have done given the situation, and it was still the right decision.
SayInGame · 0 points · Posted at 20:29:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It buffles me(as a completely free yt user) that people are actually paying patreons
letsbemenow · 31 points · Posted at 21:00:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dream of a world where advertisements are dead and there's as few middle men skimming money from the creators I love as possible. Genuinely. I don't have tv but my patreon bill every month is as high as a cable channel just so I can support the people who make things I love and enjoy everyday. It's everything from high earning YouTubers to bloggers with almost no followers and I can cancel whenever I want!
That's my dream anyway. Maybe one day!
marnas86 · 9 points · Posted at 22:50:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The arts & culture landscape in the 14-1500's demonstrated that without middle men very few actually make it big because the middle men basically find efficiencies to reduce search costs so art would only be created once an artist had established a patron, otherwise art would not be created at all.
However, AI's and websites like Patreon might end up reducing search costs to make this feasible within our lifetime.
SirrSterl · 4 points · Posted at 21:30:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
See: BAT
thanksbanks · 2 points · Posted at 00:05:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I read an interesting book where artists were supported without advertisement, it was written a super long time ago but was very good and also basically predicted credit cards. It's called Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy I think
eliechallita · 11 points · Posted at 21:56:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's like buying books even though I could probably find an epub somewhere: I like the content and I want the author to keep producing it. They won't do that unless they're financially stable enough to do so.
It's in my best interest to support them if I want to keep enjoying their content.
DancinginAshes · 2 points · Posted at 02:02:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same. I don't pirate books unless it's completely out of print or if Amazon is selling it for some horrendous price.
eliechallita · 2 points · Posted at 03:37:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same. The only books I might pirate are those written by people I despise, but whose positions I want to scrutinize further.
pisshead_ · 69 points · Posted at 20:33:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe people like supporting those who are providing them with entertainment. Odd concept I know.
bp92009 · 44 points · Posted at 20:36:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why? Its not a lot, allows them to go full time, do more videos and of higher quality.
If they stop doing what I like, I stop supporting. I'm not watching ads, but $5 a month for at least a couple hours a month of original content? No different than a newspaper
Vilokthoria · 7 points · Posted at 22:19:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is there a one-off donation option on patreon or just subscription?
bp92009 · 1 points · Posted at 22:37:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty sure there is, but if not, there's PayPal (how most groups operated like this before patreon, but MUCH more unreliable in terms of donations), or just cancel after the first month.
detourxp · 13 points · Posted at 20:42:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mostly it's creators that you know, actually create stuff. Like electroboom
Shodan_ · 1 points · Posted at 00:17:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Underappreciated channel
drs43821 · 4 points · Posted at 21:17:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its the only way youtubers make a living. The revenue youtubers make from youtube never really justify the cost. They all do external sponsors, merchandise sales, etc.
[deleted] · 27 points · Posted at 19:45:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
kms
TeddyR3X · 39 points · Posted at 19:50:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I"m sure that'd get a lot of views until removed. not worth though imo
Lyndis_Caelin · 11 points · Posted at 20:07:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But they banned eating tide pods on stream...
Dioksys · 3 points · Posted at 20:17:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kiss My Sister ?
Sure, go ahead, I'm not sure her boyfriend will be happy though.
InaMellophoneMood · 1 points · Posted at 02:27:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean dad?
Jayden82 · -19 points · Posted at 19:54:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
r u mad people are more successful than you
Doogleyboogley · -3 points · Posted at 21:15:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on YOUR definition of successful I suppose. Has a YouTuber wired a 60amp Ziehl or a 60KW hpv drive into a lift controller in a day?
princessvaginaalpha · 5 points · Posted at 21:42:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do they have other plans to expand? Sure there is a lot of foods out there, but there must be an alternative, or a plan B for your livelihood especially for something that is not too established like being a YT star.
i.e signing up with a TV network
woodyfly3 · 3 points · Posted at 22:16:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I heard it's harder to make money on youtube now, a lot of channels are demonetized.
its_ricky · 13 points · Posted at 20:45:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
can you define "loaded?"
also, what age group of people are we talking about?
ri-ri · 1 points · Posted at 16:52:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
20-25
Badapple18 · -1 points · Posted at 22:26:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This
Nickk_Jones · 3 points · Posted at 21:51:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s because most of the top channels are putting out the same few types of videos over and over with the same types of clickbait titles. Kids are bored and gullible so it works. Most of the “content” is utter trash/nonsense.
Aanon89 · 2 points · Posted at 19:56:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So how long was their hospital visit for the tide pod challenge? /s
DoctorQuinlan · 1 points · Posted at 20:51:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who is it
ri-ri · 1 points · Posted at 16:52:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wolfie Raps, David Parody etc
Ethanzap02 · 1 points · Posted at 22:41:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What are their channels called? I'd like to check them out.
BorneOfStorms · 1 points · Posted at 22:49:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see you're friends with competitive eaters, like the L. A. Beast.
Janders2124 · 1 points · Posted at 00:07:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Define loaded.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
[deleted]
ri-ri · 1 points · Posted at 16:49:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Loaded as in they drive Benz's and own homes that are 500K +. No other income other than youtube, and they travel a LOT... I wouldn't ever ask them how much they make (because thats rude) but I know they flaunt it
SciFiPaine0 · 1 points · Posted at 06:24:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is a challenge, as in just eat as much as you can?
ri-ri · 1 points · Posted at 16:50:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Example of the cinnamon challenge
jiffn · 30 points · Posted at 21:20:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like that idea. YouTube OG. No Professional Youtubers just music videos, fails, and rick rolls. I miss those days.
KilledTheCar · 17 points · Posted at 22:16:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And AMVs. You can't talk about early YouTube without AMVs.
Shad0wF0x · 3 points · Posted at 01:12:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I never actually watched AMVs on YouTube. I mostly either got it from animemusicvideos.org (?) or one of the maker websites.
PM_ME_CAKE_BATTER · 62 points · Posted at 20:04:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of "successful" YouTubers don't make their income primarily off of YouTube. YouTube's ad money is actually pretty... Eh. Not enough to make a living on. Here's a good CGPGrey video on the ad-related-pay part of the subject. The majority of income comes from extra things the YouTuber uses their install YouTube base for, things like asking them to become Patrons on Patreon, merchandise, non-Google ad deals (most often advertising for services SquareSpace, Blue Apron, etc), streams/donations, and podcasts.
rebuked · 24 points · Posted at 23:12:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Go tell that to Ricegum, a person who made $60k from AdSense alone in a bad month back in 2017.
PM_ME_CAKE_BATTER · 24 points · Posted at 23:36:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, sure, you have people like Ricegum who're the exception. There are way more YouTubers though, who even have hundreds of thousands of subs, who a lot of people "have never heard of" and can't sustain themselves on YouTube alone - especially with how volatile the nature of demonetization, especially for mid-to-small creators who still happen to be partners and make revenue off YouTube.
DjaroYT · 4 points · Posted at 06:44:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ricegum is in the top 0.01%
kilo73 · 3 points · Posted at 00:27:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your mean the asian Jake Paul?
AcclaimNation · 1 points · Posted at 23:27:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeas, but they wouldnt have the reach of people seeing or purchasing their products without the YouTube fan base, so they are clearly using YouTube to be successful.
PM_ME_CAKE_BATTER · 1 points · Posted at 23:32:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, yeah, they're still YouTubers, but it's not a living sustained entirely through YouTube. YouTube is just the advertising platform essentially (depends on the creator if it's the larger creative outlet).
jobunzy · 37 points · Posted at 20:11:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Original YT? You mean Ebaums world?
WanderBun · 49 points · Posted at 21:56:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, you mean that site where Eric Bauman stole content from other websites and put his watermark on everything he could so he could make tons of ad revenue without making anything himself or even giving proper credit?
Bah. YTMND and Newgrounds and Albinoblacksheep were far from perfect, but anything's better than the cesspool of Ebaum's...
KilledTheCar · 37 points · Posted at 22:14:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Albinoblacksheep... Now that's I name I've not heard in a long time... Long time...
rockskillskids · 1 points · Posted at 04:26:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't that where the simple stupidly catchy flash song videos like "Magical Trevor", & "Narwhals, Narwhals" originated?
SanjiSasuke · 5 points · Posted at 20:51:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually never went there, from what I remember...I was mostly thinking pre-Google purchase YouTube. It took me awhile to realize it was the same site, since I didn't intentionally go there, Google just usually didm
kstorm88 · 2 points · Posted at 01:08:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean stupidvideos? The good old days, where you would wait for a video to buffer on your schools fancy t1 connection to watch in 240p. I remember downloading programs on T1 at school just marveling hitting like 200kBps, where at home I was getting maybe 5 on my 56k
thats_a_risky_click · 0 points · Posted at 20:20:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
also collegehumor
zade1996 · 72 points · Posted at 20:59:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
YouTuber here. I'll admit I make shitty videos, but I still get plenty of views, thus never having to work a full time job again. People are so entertained by dumb shit nowadays, so my advice is to just upload anything you find interesting. Do it daily. Views add up, subs add up, and then income adds up. It took a few years, but I fluctuate between $4-10k/month on top of promos. We live in a day and age where money is out there, but you just have to...think stupid. Seriously, think of some stupid shit, and roll with it. People get off on that.
Edit: the income allows me not work a full-time job, though I do still work on the side knowing this gig isn't forever.
gMoneytz · 31 points · Posted at 21:52:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
4-10K? Really?
How long are your videos that make doing it daily not a total chore?
zade1996 · 16 points · Posted at 22:00:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In a way, I get off easy since I started the channel with a friend who likes to take over the editing. I just show up and do what I do in front of the camera, and my buddy works his magic. I'm no good with editing. The videos aren't that long, though.
MrRedTRex · 9 points · Posted at 00:59:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Link your channel?
zobger · 2 points · Posted at 02:26:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
think this one - https://www.youtube.com/user/HiddenReaction
MrRedTRex · 1 points · Posted at 02:52:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dn wtf I just watched, but Ashlyn is a babe.
Hodor_Hodorsonn · 1 points · Posted at 04:34:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What’s your channel?
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zade1996 · 0 points · Posted at 22:03:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Making money is my hobby.
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zade1996 · 6 points · Posted at 22:24:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Google my username or HiddenReaction (:
BigDaddyXV · 2 points · Posted at 23:03:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh waw dude you got some pretty big vids out there. I always keep wondering about trying you tube. It's a very interesting path and pretty cool.
lowfatcupcake · 2 points · Posted at 01:03:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a feeling this was HiddenReaction when I saw your username. I remember seeing your "(insert type of guy) vs (insert type of guy)" videos back in the day and been subbed since then.
It's true though. People eat up the stupid stuff now. The mind numbing stuff is what people seem to binge, like those vine compilations.
PM_ME_UR_FLESHLITE · 1 points · Posted at 23:30:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wish I didn't tbh but congrats on that success.
zade1996 · 2 points · Posted at 23:57:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're welcome lol. And thank you.
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zade1996 · 16 points · Posted at 21:55:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No offense taken, but...uh, no. I enjoy doing them because I find them fun. I know to the general public they may be stupid, but it is what it is. I make a decent amount of money, and I worked for it and invest it. I don't equate a meaningful job to a meaningful life. A lot of people work full time jobs they hate just to get by. I'm at least working a job I enjoy doing. Before this I was working a physical labor job making $33.50 an hour. More money didn't make me more happy; it actually made me depressed. When shit ultimately hits the fan and I stop making my income from YouTube, I've acquired enough skills over the years to start up a new career. I was thinking personal training, since I'm certified and already do it on the side.
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zade1996 · 7 points · Posted at 22:34:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was making that kind of money at my old job, I was working 12 hours a day, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. I was tired all the time, and for 2 weeks out of the month, I had no time for friends or family. Now I dedicate around 8 hours a week towards a couple of videos, and I'm set. Now I have time to spend bettering myself by acquiring new skills all the time. I'm able to network and advance through new opportunities, and better yet, I'm always available for the ones I love the most. My balance was lost before I had this opportunity. Maybe I would've found it somewhere down the road if this YouTube gig wasn't a thing, but it is, and I'm grateful. I don't regret it and I don't care how people view me. This is an amazing opportunity and has turned my life around completely.
902015h4 · 1 points · Posted at 11:07:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is so insightful. Thank you for sharing!
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zade1996 · 2 points · Posted at 22:57:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's fine. Of course personalities are bound to change depending on the social occasion. Yes, I do play somewhat of a character. I'm more cocky and "ditzy" compared to how I am off camera. Most people on YouTube are, and I think it's totally fine when you have a channel like mine-which, as you said, does try to cater to the younger and more easily entertained audience. It makes sense; why try to make money off something you know isn't going to sell. Is it a cheap tactic? Sure. But does it work? Absolutely, and that's what matters. As for the depression...that came with just working pay check to pay check, and having to worry about if I was going to be able to get an extension on my next bill. I had some time for myself, but I knew the way I was living wasn't right. It just wasn't the way people were supposed to live. Fast forward to my most recent job that I acquired through some networking. I had the money, and I had some time, but for the first time in a while, I didn't care about all the money I was making. I wanted to find a job I was actually happy to go to. One I wouldn't have go drive 2 hour to get to. I wanted to work for myself and have a nice combination of both time, money, and happiness. Not one or the other. Depression isn't straight forward, and I can't just lay out on the table the reasoning behind a, b, and c. All I know is I'm happy, and I'm making the kind of living I want to make.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 1 points · Posted at 07:09:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If everybody thought like that, there would be nowhere for people to turn for mindless stupid entertainment. Not everybody wants to go on Youtube and get an education, but, if they wanted to, there's lots of informative channels to choose from. We need all types of channels on Youtube for it to be really great, not just educational and self help videos. If there's one sector of Youtube that doesn't have content, someone needs to get on that immediately (if they want to earn good income from a neglected and starving audience). In that way, there can be videos for everyone, not just eggheads.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 0 points · Posted at 23:39:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've watched all of Rick & Morty and it's great, but, it's not for everyone, and there's only so many episodes, and not everyone wants to make shows about science (or science fiction). This idea that channels should be destroyed and turned into something else is bad for business. If there weren't dumb channels, people would just turn to TV or some other website, like Vimeo or Twitch, or something else. Some people have hard lives, and when they have free time away from kids and work and school, and they just want to relax and take their mind away, with something stupid. And, if they don't want to watch it, then the channel won't continue much longer without any views; until someone does it better. This idea that dumb things can't exist is far worse than the dumb things themselves. Who are you to decide what can and can't exist? You're stifling creativity whether you realize it or not; if you had your way, we wouldn't have things like Seinfeld, or Beavis & Butthead; oftentimes, comedy is just stupid, and doesn't need a plot, it's just a bunch of jokes, and that's what entertainment is. If somebody feels inclined to teach some moral lesson, they can do that, but, to forcefully make people make videos that they don't want is just crazy and overstepping your boundaries, like some nazi or something.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 0 points · Posted at 01:47:42 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a newborn baby, and I want to watch flashing colors; I'm a dog watching while the owner is away, so, I can see and hear a happy smiling face; I'm getting a root canal, and I need something to calm me down while the anesthesia kicks in; I'm a person with mental problems and just want to see another human, or, I'm a human person and am attracted to the person on camera and like the sound of their voice; I live in a situation where I can't get out and and can't see things like Hydraulic Presses, personalities, memes, dash cam footage, game levels, etc. in real life. These people deserve their entertainment just like anyone else.
And, it doesn't hurt you that it exists. I don't care about Football, but, you don't hear me complaining about channels on Youtube that cater to that audience. I don't even know those videos exist, because Youtube doesn't suggest videos to me for videos I'm not interested in. Besides that, the bottom of the pile videos, if they're so bad, nobody will ever watch them, because Youtube won't promote them. They only exist if you search them out.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 1 points · Posted at 03:16:19 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
off topic? no relevance? You told someone to change their channel, because you don't like "stupid" youtube videos. It's very relevant.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 0 points · Posted at 07:17:42 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
His videos specifically, if he's happy with the content, the income and views, subscribers, and watch time and like to dislike ratio he's getting, then, I don't see what the problem is. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 0 points · Posted at 15:10:34 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
You said it yourself; "it's easy money and follows the trends so there's no creative merit." Nobody on Earth is going to intentionally choose to get paid less money for more work. We aren't talking about snuff films here, or, hitman work, just dumb videos. Unless there's a better alternative, there's no logical reason for this person to change his format. I can tell you don't likely know much about Youtube (as a creator), but, I do, and I'll tell you, the fastest way to lose all of your subscribers and start living on a park bench or in a box, pennyless, is to suddenly change the content of your channel. Those people subscribed to your channel for a reason, and if you're not going to provide it for them, they won't be happy, and will move on.
If someone is going to focus on one thing and then wants to do something else, the best thing to do is to start a new Youtube channel for it, and try to grow that from the ground up. If it's a good idea it will be easy, but, if it's not what people want to watch, the channel will fail; but, it's fine since your not risking messing up the successful channel, you've spent time and worked on and grown over time. Your advice would literally destroy his channel.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 1 points · Posted at 06:48:39 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
"how can you tell that?" because it sounds like the kind of thinking someone would do who doesn't understand how Youtube works. Or, is purposefully just trolling to be a dick. I've got over 10k videos on my channel, and, one of the fastest growing channels on Youtube, because I have a strategy that works and spend my time learning as much about Youtube as I can. Not from some talent, or, a pretty face, or dumb luck, but, by studying how Youtube works, and finding my place in it, and continually constantly improving things, and learning, and studying analytics, and making new channels to test theories, and side projects, and understanding everything about it to be the best. You can call it "negative consequences for this guy to do better", but it's not better, it's career suicide, and I know that for a fact because it's my job to know. There's at least 50 million channels on Youtube, but, I'll bet you'd have a hard time finding many (any) channels of a large size that successfully pivoted like that without heavy losses. People like regularity, and you can't just make a big fundamental change like that and expect it to not have severe consequences.
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Nintendo_Thumb · 1 points · Posted at 22:34:41 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not to go on, but, it's one of the fastest growing channels, because it's got over 34 million views (173 years 55 days worth of watch time), and I'm getting around 3 million views per month (14.6 years of watch time every 28 days), tripling my income since last year at the same time, and all starting with nothing but a cheap 50 dollar game capture device in 2015. No facebook following, or sub 4 sub, or twitter followers or anything, just making & scheduling videos. Also, I don't really pay much attention to the Youtube Creator Courses as I've seen some, but, it's usually just things I already knew. Most of my data comes from studying my own analytics, and testing out strategies, trying out new video formats across different channels if I have an idea, and if it fails or succeeds, I learn from that. I also pay attention to the Youtubing sub-reddits, Yotube Help Forums, and read articles and watch videos about it, as well, as use Social Blade to get and compare data from other channels as well as my own.
I've got a whole extra channel with over a thousand videos of nothing but garbage; videos where I don't reach the end of the level, a few seconds of accidental recording here and there, things that I'd normally just delete. I wanted to see how that would do, so, I did that in my spare time just for the data, and curious to see what would happen. It didn't get very many views at all, and a lot of dislikes, but, I'm glad I did it because I wanted to see what would happen. There isn't some limit to how many videos or channels there can be, Youtube has the server capacity to hold as many videos as you can give it. Even Google themselves have a channel (Webdrive Torso) that's about as stupid content as you can get.
It's not up to me if something is appropriate, it's up to Youtube, and if they're okay with certain videos, than it's not my position to judge. But, this whole time here, you haven't said what's so bad about his videos? Is he being a bully in them? Or, showing forest suicide victims, or SWATting other people? Holding Klan rallies on video? What is it? If you're just going to say again because they're "stupid", you have to have a better reason than that, as it describes nearly every channel on the platform, and it's entirely subjective, and what you call "stupid" is just your personal opinion, not shared by everybody).
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Nintendo_Thumb · 1 points · Posted at 08:10:24 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I most definitely do benefit from Youtube allowing dumb and bad videos on the platform, but, I think that applies to everybody. Nobody starts out making great videos and knowing what they're doing, so, you have to just make videos and learn; not for the purpose of entertaining, but, just to get an understanding of video production, thumbnails, titles, SEO, ideal video length, what people like, what you like to make, etc. My channels for instance, aren't made for anyone else, they're made for me, because they're the kinds of videos that I enjoy making, and feel satisfied with the results. Before starting this channel, I found myself annoyed that most of the time when I searched for video game footage, I'd find some annoying person blabbing along the whole time, making it all about them, or, in the case that I did find no commentary videos, the footage was always edited to cut out deaths, not how you'd actually see it play out on the console.
"I'm not sure it's quite the creative achievement you think it is. I'd be interested to hear otherwise. What's unique about your channel other than the amount of videos you have?"
There aren't any other large channels showing unedited non-commentary videos (and, also, my levels aren't just any levels, they are chosen from the top rated, recent, tagged courses (one tag per time slot & untagged time slot as well)). This kind of thing matters in the future, where the game's servers have been discontinued, and the only remnants of the game are my Youtube videos (as everyone else's videos are edited in some way). I didn't even have to wait long for this to start happening as the Wii U's Miiverse service has been discontinued a few months ago, rendering many levels (especially story levels) unplayable, or at least unrecognizable, and since my channel records vastly more than anyone else, there's many thousands of great, creative, levels I've recorded, which can't be played any longer, and can't be seen elsewhere ever. Not just that, but, I planned for the future, and still have around 1000 videos of levels with Miiverse comments in them, that I'm going to drip feed for the next 50 years, so, while everyone else is lamenting it's demise, I'll still be trucking, still making a good income, and slowing down, but, never stopping, even without new levels to play. I definitely spend a lot of time working on Youtube, and studying every aspect of it that I can, but I feel it's necessary. There's so much that I've picked up that have helped me, and I know that if I didn't have an interest in understanding it all, that my channel wouldn't have gotten anywhere.
"all you need to is put content out there and it will get seen" If that's what he said, he's wrong. My garbage channel, 'Scrapyard Floor' is proof of that. Over a thousand videos, all with different original titles, released on a regular schedule at peak viewing times, and most of them have zero views. If it was that easy to make a good income on Youtube, everybody would be doing it, but it's not easy, it's a lot of hard work, and most people fail hard because they don't take it seriously.
Hey, this has been fun chatting with you on the subject, and, there's not much I like talking about more than Youtube, as I'm sure you can tell, but, I'm sure I'm boring you at this point, and don't really have much more to say on the subject that hasn't already been said. So, this is likely my last reply here. It's been interesting talking to you, good luck and if you really think Youtube needs more better channels out there, maybe you should give it a shot yourself, if you haven't already.
Nintendo_Thumb · 1 points · Posted at 22:45:30 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, lol, I get it now, 10k subs. Hah, no, that's 10k videos, actually it's over 13,000 videos now, but, there's a lot more subs than that, that's just how many videos I've produced since 2015 (for the Nintendo Thumb) channel.
splash27 · 1 points · Posted at 00:22:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Responsibility is boring and doesn’t sell. This is like asking a comedian why they don’t make public service messages. Maybe a producer will come to them with an occasional useful project, but it’s the dumb stuff that they’re good at that pays the bills.
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splash27 · 2 points · Posted at 00:55:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, most people don’t have the luxury of being socially responsible. I could make a moral argument against virtually every profession. We live in a system which is run on greed and power where lawmakers routinely pass laws which are unpopular to cater to their powerful donors. Teachers in many places live with poverty-level wages, while YouTube stars are making 7-8 figures. It’s backwards and bizarre, but unless and until advertising money becomes less important for people’s livelihoods than doing whatever the responsible thing to do is, who are we to judge someone for taking advantage of the system?
Rather than guilting a YouTube star into doing something more noble, why not guilt YouTube (or better yet, the advertisers) who make the vapid YouTube star’s livelihood possible?
Casehead · 1 points · Posted at 05:03:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So no one is allowed to entertain?
WanderBun · 8 points · Posted at 21:59:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How is his/her contribution to society somehow worse to live with than, say, telemarketing? So what, they make shitty videos and they're self-aware that they're shitty. They aren't hurting anybody. Why you gotta be so judgmental.
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_ArmchairAristotle_ · 3 points · Posted at 03:04:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you might have misread the OP. Their depression was BEFORE the switch to YouTube.
Starwind87 · 1 points · Posted at 17:01:39 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, most people do "stupid shit" every day just for the money. Just the kind of pointless "stupid" at a mindless, easily replaceable retail job and not the "silly" stupid the youtube guy was referring too.
I also fundamentally disagree with the sentiment that someone with an audience needs to "be better," and that they need to use their fame to do something positive. That's the same reasoning that has all these idiotic Hollywood celebs talking about politics.
You get paid to entertain people, not give your opinion on world events. You can have an opinion, but no one should give it any more credence than any other random person's opinion. I'd actually argue that using your fame to try and do that is worse than just making "stupid shit" for money and keeping your mouth shut.
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Starwind87 · 1 points · Posted at 17:42:08 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can see why you've been down vote spammed so much. You make a ton of incorrect assumptions in all of your replies, as well as taking the wrong meaning from what was said. Not to mention you seem to be attributing motive to those disagreeing with you.
I didn't say that content that is worth more than simple entertainment didn't have more value than purely entertaining content. I said famous people using their fame to push opinions/causes completely out of their field of expertise was worse than famous people just sticking solely to what made them famous.
I also didn't say that no one should try making better, more meaningful content. I just said there's nothing wrong with not doing that.
If you're fine making dumb content that gets you paid, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. The same as there not being anything inherently wrong with working a retail job just to get paid.
Strive to improve if you want, don't if you don't. You're not obligated to do so just because you got famous.
snowflakelib · 10 points · Posted at 20:41:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember someone asking me if people made money making YT videos a number of years back and my response was "no, of course not."
hipointhipshooter · 8 points · Posted at 20:38:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shit when I was a kid, if I wanted to watch skateboarding fails, o had to beg my mom to mail order the 411VM tapes.
AromaTaint · 7 points · Posted at 21:00:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We just used to go to the skate park and wait. Watched a kid try to drop in on a half pipe riding a bike with no hand grips. When he semi impaled/eviscerated himself in the stomach someone had to sprint to the nearest house to find a phone to call an ambulance. No footage was recorded. Hard to imagine that now.
i_hope_i_remember · 7 points · Posted at 21:26:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pics or it didn't happen. Not much happened pre 1840's.
AromaTaint · 1 points · Posted at 22:11:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think someone captured the 'Kodak moment' of the aftermath on 35mm black & white film.
hipointhipshooter · 4 points · Posted at 21:02:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
God, kids have no sense of mortality. I used to do some extremely stupid shit at the skatepark, myself.
AromaTaint · 7 points · Posted at 22:08:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
From memory he'd only started on a 3ft that morning and decided to graduate to a full sized half pipe about 2 hours later. He was nothing if not ambitious.
hipointhipshooter · 3 points · Posted at 00:37:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Six feet of vert? Shit, hold my Red Bull.
mrubuto22 · 80 points · Posted at 20:38:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a fellow old person don't you also find it strange people pay to watch other people play video games?? Like not even pro's. Just some kind of cute chick or pseudo celeb.
Blows my mind
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Holy crap.. ok guys I am aware there are other things that are also hard for some people to understand and they find strange including stuff I like.
I never said it was stupid and shouldn't exist. I was simply saying I found it odd, I find lots of things odd and I'm sure you do too
Jesterhead89 · 59 points · Posted at 21:22:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's usually more for the entertainment value than to actually watch someone play a video game that you could play for yourself. I remember Jimmy Kimmell (I think it was him) being baffled by the idea that people watch other people play video games on Youtube.
I found the irony kind of funny that people will watch him literally sit behind a desk and just talk to different people for 5-10 minutes at a time. Of course, it's not that simple because the way he interviews people is funny and entertaining. But he just didn't apply that same reasoning to Youtube creators that make funny and entertaining streams.
gMoneytz · 4 points · Posted at 21:51:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I enjoy it, as I still like video games, but don't have the time or want to play them.
They do have to be skilled. No 12 year olds, or those fake gamer girls, just screwing around for donations.
BorneOfStorms · 2 points · Posted at 22:52:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Implying that all fake gamers are of the female persuasion. I have met more fake gamer guys than anything else. Like, why the fuck would you lie about playing Terraria? But I've met men who did just that. Haven't met those elusive "gamer girls," though.
gMoneytz · 6 points · Posted at 22:56:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The fake gamer guys fall under when I wrote "They do have to be skilled". I cant stand watching someone that cant play, but the females that are doing the whole "cam girl playing games" is frankly annoying.
mrubuto22 · 4 points · Posted at 21:25:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can play any video game any time I want. I can't sit and talk to JJ abrahms anytime I want.
I find it very strange you see the two as similar actually
Aries_cz · 12 points · Posted at 21:41:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are a lot of people to whom paying $60 each few weeks is impossible, or they just want to see the story or something.
Also, a lot of people watch to see the person that plays comment on the stuff they are playing. The game usually serves as a backdrop to a talkshow, especially when is two of more people playing together (like when TotalBiscuit and Jesse Cox played Terraria, which was not about the game at all, but about their bickering)
And while you can't talk to JJ Abrams any time you like, it is not like there is some profound conversation going on at Kimmel's.
Jesterhead89 · 6 points · Posted at 23:29:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The point was more due to the oversimplification of one (Youtube), but how the oversimplification of the other (interviewing celebs) isn't applied.
AcclaimNation · 1 points · Posted at 23:32:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No you can't. There are hundreds of games a year. A lot of people watch these at work. I mean, I spent 120 hours on Zelda this last month. I couldn't also play other games at the same time. Sometimes you just want to see the game and not necessarily play it.
mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 23:42:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see
otis_reading · 51 points · Posted at 20:54:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a fellow old person (at least on reddit), it boggles my mind that anybody watches any of these "famous" youtube channels. I'm not criticizing; I just don't get it. At all.
TodayIComment · 26 points · Posted at 22:34:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm in my early 30s and pretty much exclusively watch YouTube and Netflix. The content available is so varied that it's quite fulfilling and can be educational. And I find watching like minded people (this is key) experience video games I have enjoyed or am currently playing is weirdly entertaining.
Punch_kick_run · 12 points · Posted at 22:42:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
36 year old here feeling the same way. If they have a nice soothing voice and play the same games then I'm sold.
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 22:00:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I watch one if those (a fellow called Daniel Hardcastle) and have done for years. A lot of the stuff he makes he puts genuine amounts of effort into and occasionally completely changes his formula for things.
He isn't really the screaming obnoxious bloke who has solid-colored thumbnails with him looking off-frame with some twatting face, he's a clever person with a very nice sense of humor I think.
MurphyLlama · 1 points · Posted at 22:52:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love nerdcubed too.
franker · 20 points · Posted at 21:27:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it's because the key demographic is tweens, as every other 12-year-old now has a tablet or phone with internet connection from their parents. So you have 20-somethings just acting ridiculous to entertain 12-year-olds, and that's why it looks crazy to older people.
AcclaimNation · 3 points · Posted at 23:30:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Naw, there are a lot of people who work in an office and use this long content as background noise while working. I make games and have music or movies on all day, sometimes you need a different form of background noise to get you motivated.
franker · 12 points · Posted at 23:34:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, I couldn't imagine trying to get any real work done with a youtube personality going apeshit about something in the background.
AcclaimNation · 1 points · Posted at 01:00:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on how obnoxious they are.
mrubuto22 · 10 points · Posted at 21:04:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea. Hard to wrap my head around
bdilow50 · 31 points · Posted at 21:24:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of the time it’s because of the commentary. Watching someone struggle their way through a awfully designed and poorly made game while getting frustrated can be quite funny.
mrubuto22 · 3 points · Posted at 21:26:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I could see that.
one_love_silvia · 2 points · Posted at 01:07:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
26yo here. I dont get it either. Most of them are fake as fuck but try to pass it off as legit. Its one thing if you are like Dom Mazetti and an obvious charicature, but most people arent.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 22:18:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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_ArmchairAristotle_ · 3 points · Posted at 03:08:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
To me, it reminds me of waiting around to get a bag of weed. Or waiting whatever the socially acceptable time was after buying a bag of weed. So I associate watching someone else play a game with the feeling of wanting to get on to other things and change locations. Yuck. (Also old.)
IAmTriscuit · 1 points · Posted at 00:23:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Eh, I'm the oldest sibling and I love watching twitch gameplay and commentary. Not sure that has much of anything to do with it.
DontMessWithTrexes · 1 points · Posted at 23:12:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is old for reddit?
otis_reading · 1 points · Posted at 16:15:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
late 30's
ItsMeFatLemongrab · 44 points · Posted at 21:16:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you find it baffling that thousands of people will pay good money to go to a stadium and watch other people play a sport?
Or that people pay good money for a cable sports package so they can sit on their couch and watch other people play a game?
Same idea, different game.
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 21:48:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Punch_kick_run · 8 points · Posted at 23:21:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup, just people looking at different boxes. I've been staring at a computer monitor for over 20 years and I can't count the number of times that's been considered strange by people who stare at a TV all day.
BlissnHilltopSentry · 4 points · Posted at 03:26:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, when I was a teenager my mum would go off at me for "always just sitting at that computer".
Like, a computer can be used for so many different tasks, while she just watches shitty shows on TV.
Answermancer · 4 points · Posted at 21:54:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup, although I actually find those a lot more baffling, but that's just because I hate sports but like video games.
merpes · 1 points · Posted at 15:11:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm an an old, so maybe that's why I don't get game streaming. The difference is that if I watch someone play a video game, I can very easily go and play the game myself, albeit not with the same level of skill as the streamer. For professional sports, I am so far removed from being able to play at that level ... I enjoy the athleticism, strategy, excitement, etc. ... although I can see how those things can be found in watching streamers, too.
I suppose part of it stems from being young and playing video games with friends ... the absolute worst was in not being "your turn" and having to watch your friend play. I still get that feeling when I watch a streamer ... I would rather be playing the game myself.
askmrcia · -2 points · Posted at 22:10:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, and I don't even know how you can compare going to a sporting event to sitting on your ass watching a person play video games.
A sporting event has all kinds of experiences that goes with it, such as tailgating, the atmosphere of said stadium, the fan cameras zooming in, interacting with the fans, the prizes being handed out and so much more. There's a lot more going on then sitting on your ass watching other people play a sport.
I do get it with game streamers. You can interact with them in the chat and things like that. But I guess where the people that you responded to are coming from is that it really does come across as a big waste of time.
The only thing I can see myself wanting to watch any gamer is if they are a pro and they are doing secrets or something to where I can get better. But just sitting there watching another person play just for entertainment is just.....meh.
I'm pretty sure you're going to rebuttal, what's the difference between that and watching something on TV. And to be honest I agree with you there. It comes to what we prefer, but I felt to respond, because you actually tried to compare going to a live sporting event to watching someone sit on their ass playing video games.
Huge difference.
snyder005 · 10 points · Posted at 22:37:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So basically talking with other people in chat, username shoutouts in the donation/subscription pop-up notifications, messages being read out loud by the streamer, stream giveaways.
Going to a sport event is definitely a much different experience, but you can see a lot of similarities. In the end it's all about entertainment. If someone finds something entertaining they may be willing to pay.
mrubuto22 · -2 points · Posted at 21:22:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow yea it's almost like different people are didferent... shocking eh?
MrRightHanded · 8 points · Posted at 21:40:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In my opinion its about wanting to form a connection/friendship over a common area. Being able to talk about your hobbies to someone, even a stranger can be relaxing.
Streamers also usually respond to what you say so it reinforces the idea of coming together to chat.
But the price at which some people do for this is problematic to say the least.
mrubuto22 · 2 points · Posted at 21:43:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting. I didn't know there was correspondense
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 00:21:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its a lot more common in smaller channels. In popular streams the chat scrolls so fast and is so full of meme crap that there is not really much correspondence.
mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 00:27:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ok. I guess I'm getting it a bit more.
I guess it's kind of like me listening to fantasy football podcasts. These guys aren't in my league but I'm learning even though I'm not participating.
SanjiSasuke · 4 points · Posted at 20:49:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A bit, definitely crazy the extent to which people get paid.
SolDarkHunter · 19 points · Posted at 21:42:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't you also find it strange people pay to watch other people play football on TV?? Like not even pro's. Just some college kids.
Blows my mind.
mrubuto22 · -10 points · Posted at 21:45:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No. Because I am different than you. Different people like different things. It's not a difficult concept.
SolDarkHunter · 17 points · Posted at 21:57:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you don't want me to call your hobbies strange then don't call other people's hobbies strange.
mrubuto22 · -5 points · Posted at 22:06:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't care if you call my hobbies strange.
Don't be so sensitive.
Punch_kick_run · 11 points · Posted at 23:17:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, so we can't be sensitive now? How dare you!
Just joking, happy cake day
javelid · 11 points · Posted at 22:22:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly, it's not a difficult concept. So apply your logic to people who watch streams of games, dumbass.
mrubuto22 · 2 points · Posted at 22:38:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You are not a very smart person are you?
I said I don't get it. Did I say it was stupid? Or dumb?
God people just love making up reasons to get offended. Get a life.
javelid · 12 points · Posted at 00:04:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're an idiot. Use YOUR OWN LOGIC to "get it". Oh wait, you're too stupid to do that. Never mind.
mrubuto22 · -1 points · Posted at 00:08:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy fuck lol. It's like talking to a wall.
javelid · 6 points · Posted at 02:21:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would say the same thing about you, but that would be an insult to walls.
mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 03:41:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Really? That's what you want with? Haha
javelid · 0 points · Posted at 04:45:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No point in trying to reason with stupidity
ValdrNamtro · 6 points · Posted at 21:17:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Have you ever been to a high school or college sporting event?
Answermancer · 18 points · Posted at 21:53:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not willingly.
mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 21:22:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not since high school or college
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 21:29:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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mrubuto22 · -11 points · Posted at 21:33:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you just teach me I'm not in middle school or high school?
Thanks. You owe me 5 minutes of my life back
SumTingWong59 · 10 points · Posted at 01:03:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That took you 5 minutes to read?
mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 01:07:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh boy.. 😒
BlissnHilltopSentry · 6 points · Posted at 03:23:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Make stupid comments, get stupid responses
yvaN_ehT_nioJ · 3 points · Posted at 21:37:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I had a toaster of a computer I'd watch no commentary play throughs of games that my comp simply didn't have the capabilities for. Other than that I don't really get it.
RFOE · 6 points · Posted at 21:47:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know what you mean... This comic from loadingartist helped me wrap my head around it a bit better though: https://loadingartist.com/comic/waste-of-time/
mrubuto22 · 5 points · Posted at 22:06:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For fuck sakes. Why does everyone keep pointing to watching sports. I never said it was stupid. I said I DON'T GET IT. A lot of people don't get sports or art or gay sex! Whatever. Holy fuck.
SirToastymuffin · 5 points · Posted at 02:12:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I guess the problem is nobody knows what the hell you want them to say then. If you don't "get" someone else's entertainment there's not really a way to explain that. Like, they do it because they enjoy watching it. I don't know what really can be said. It is, for them, entertaining and amusing to watch someone playing a game.
Perhaps let us wear the sports metaphor again. Explain to me why you like watching sports. Not really easy to do, no?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:15:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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SirToastymuffin · 3 points · Posted at 02:24:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You need to cool your jets if you took that as rage. I just read through your whole thread and was left going "...ok so what does he want?" If you don't want further dialogue why do you keep replying to people...
mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 03:41:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because most people are saying interesting things worthy of a response.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 22:20:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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mrubuto22 · 1 points · Posted at 22:37:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hmm.. That's very interesting.
But are you getting any joy when they succeed and beat the monster or whatever?
snyder005 · 1 points · Posted at 22:48:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it's best to think of it just like cable television. We can all agree there's a lot of crap on television (I'm sure everyone has different opinions on which channels/shows are the crappy ones), but those shows still get money to be made and pull an audience. Someone paying to watch a stream is really no different then someone else paying money for a cable subscription to watch a show that you believe has no entertainment value. People have been doing it for years, so it's not exactly a new phenomenon and not exactly mind blowing stuff to be honest.
BathofFire · 7 points · Posted at 20:36:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of the first vids I watched was that skateboarder who dings his nuts on the fire hydrant. The video in question in all its terrible quality glory though I'm sure that's a re-upload.
Troaweymon42 · 1 points · Posted at 23:21:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Siiiiick.
harkandhush · 1 points · Posted at 02:17:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for reminding me that I am and always will be a fucking child.
RobertTheSpruce · 4 points · Posted at 21:29:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Given how even the good youtubers are now shilling shitty mobile games or wanky audio books these days, it might not last too much longer.
O_Apples · 4 points · Posted at 21:40:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I made AMVs using Windows Movie Maker.
I only stopped because MS stopped including WMM with Windows.
I could have been YouTube famous if not for them.
KilledTheCar · 1 points · Posted at 22:18:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
May I suggest VSDC? It's free and pretty easy to get the hang of.
O_Apples · 3 points · Posted at 22:23:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
2003 was a long time ago.
Then again I do have more free time since I'm not in school anymore.
Thanks.
Now I wish I had an idea of a video I would want to make :/
KilledTheCar · 1 points · Posted at 22:44:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very true. I just recently decided to scratch the old, old itch and put some of my game clips to tunes.
lostmau5 · 11 points · Posted at 19:59:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Been subscribed to a Youtube Lets Player since 2009 who has uploaded consistently and has had consistently good views for a long time. He has not resorted to ad reads or promotions and really just seems passionate with his work.
I assume he is just financially secure, but I wish he had a patreon just for people to throw support to.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 21:56:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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deephair · 1 points · Posted at 00:39:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think your talking about Kevin Kelly.
This is his 1,000 true fans article.
Dragmire800 · 6 points · Posted at 20:55:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In fairness, people were making a reasonable living off YouTube by 2009 about, mainly with the coming of minecraft. That's only a few years after skateboard fails
Iksuda · 2 points · Posted at 22:07:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Once you add quality production, it's just not any different from TV or Netflix anymore. There's still low budget low-quality stuff that's making money, but the fact that people are being successful on YT doesn't seem alien to me at all knowing there is quality content.
Composer1992 · 2 points · Posted at 23:42:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was surprised I was able to make my living from YouTube. First with me just playing piano which became moderately successful, then in collaboration with a friend and that's being hugely successful. Even ad revenue is doing okay!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 23:51:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's a combination of having to wear a lot of different hats. Starting out, youtubers have to be consistent with videos, be able to edit them, and make a nice presentation of the content they're making. On top of which they have to hold people's attention for the duration of the video while still being entertaining/engaging enough to do so.
One youtuber I watch a lot, Krojak, talks about it a lot in his videos. He was going on how with certain kinds of content the person is either going to have to make a LOT of videos (gaming for example) or if they're only making a few make them look good. (Animation youtube channels typically don't need a lot to get a lot of views.)
Add that in with having to present a certain personality (Jacksepticeye exaggerating his Irish accent for a cute/comedic factor in his videos) and maintain that no matter what else is going on, staying up with social media, etc. There's a ton of work involved and sure it's rewarding, but it's nowhere near as easy as people think it is.
PantherU · 2 points · Posted at 23:59:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Look at the game Akinator, which guesses a character, live or dead, real or fake, you thought by asking you questions. One of the first questions is always "Is your character a YouTuber?"
There's so many of them.
lcpl · 2 points · Posted at 01:48:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I went on a date with a woman who was a substitute elementary school teacher, she told me that most of the students she has want to be famous YouTube's when they grow up. Its fascinating to me and a little worrisome at the same time. I'm sure most of them will grow out of it but maybe since there is an illusion of low effort and accessibility making it big, some will spend too much time and ultimately fail. I hope that dosent happen though.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:38:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even having ~100k subscribers isn't enough to make a living
polo61965 · 1 points · Posted at 22:47:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Welcome to Youtube, where the lowlifes who expose themselves and the truly amazing content creators can earn the same living. Guess who earns more?
wardrich · 1 points · Posted at 23:08:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm surprised that absolute fucking morons like Jake and Logan Paul can somehow be so popular on the site. I honestly don't understand it. Are there like bot armies subscribing and "viewing" the videos?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:12:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Keep in mind it doesn't last long. Most of these guys rise and fall in the span of a couple years. Look at Markiplier's view-to-sub ratio, it's really sad.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:14:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why is this an alien concept? Pretty sure this started in 2008 and Youtube was created in 2005.
BearForce0ne · 1 points · Posted at 23:17:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I like old YouTube better...
luckysevensampson · 1 points · Posted at 23:34:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What’s original YT?
SanjiSasuke · 1 points · Posted at 16:54:09 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
YouTube used to look (and work) a lot differently. The biggest changes happened when Google bought Youtube.
luckysevensampson · 1 points · Posted at 00:23:32 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I remember that. It doesn’t seem that different. I guess I’ve just been around long enough to see far bigger changes on the internet.
yoditronzz · 1 points · Posted at 23:36:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Near impossible now with the most recent changes
GeraldBWilsonJr · 1 points · Posted at 00:32:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually stopped going on youtube a few years ago, just havent thought much about it, but been using it since it was new before that. when i occasionally pop in to see what the popular videos are all i can think is what intha fuck happened
DoesntLikeWindows10 · 3781 points · Posted at 18:07:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you could somehow get this into the heads of the THREE MILLION 12-year-olds trying to do Minecraft on YouTube spamming everywhere, you'd be a hero.
MunchieMom · 348 points · Posted at 20:10:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha... twelve year olds. Let’s tell this to all the 20-something “vloggers” I know
AliveByLovesGlory · 188 points · Posted at 21:10:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey! I love my 6 viewers! I do this for them, man!
[deleted] · 30 points · Posted at 00:14:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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beatitlikeoj1 · 9 points · Posted at 02:30:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Aye, don’t front, Smash Flash 2i s pretty fun
Kandierter_Holzapfel · 2 points · Posted at 12:29:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Zero subs? Even I got 4 and I do practically nothing with my channel.
enliderlighankat · 2 points · Posted at 13:22:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hmpf... Show-off!!
TheDustySheep · 9 points · Posted at 00:40:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
7 viewers, you got me man!
1908_WS_Champ · 65 points · Posted at 23:18:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No but my blog is different! I talk about being vegan and how my move to SanFranLosAngeNewYorkChicaPortland was amazing and how you can move too!
Acylion · 10 points · Posted at 02:51:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think this comment's on-point. Kids doing it doesn't bother me, chances are they don't necessarily see it as a career. Someone in their late teens or 20s trying to do this full-time, though...
It's possible, sure. But I don't know how many hopefuls are aware that success in YouTube or streaming needs skills and hard work. The ability to talk like a presenter or broadcast journalist. Video editing. Business development and networking, etc.
bunonafun · 7 points · Posted at 05:26:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My little brother wants to make it a career. He doesn’t know the first damn thing about what goes into that sort of video production (not trying to be elitist here; I don’t know a whole lot myself, but I have a vague idea of the steps involved) and I can tell he pretty much expects to play on Minecraft servers all day and money to fall in his lap for it.
Plague_of_crocus · 2 points · Posted at 10:07:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
FelipeHdez · 1 points · Posted at 05:03:04 on April 3, 2018 · (Permalink)
Vlogging can be a good hobby.
AprilSRL · 81 points · Posted at 21:12:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey, it can be fun even if it never leads to anything.
Narwhalbaconguy · 73 points · Posted at 23:37:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It causes extreme PTSD level cringe when you look back at it 5-6 years later.
FurockBeast · 24 points · Posted at 00:30:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It can remind you that you're in a better place now and some of what you thought then was 'just a phase'
DoesntLikeWindows10 · 6 points · Posted at 21:14:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not for the people who see their spam everywhere
broiled_leather · 30 points · Posted at 22:21:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don’t see it everywhere. What do you mean?
DoesntLikeWindows10 · 8 points · Posted at 22:26:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lately there's been some in subreddits that aren't terribly popular like /r/nevertellmetheodds (they're more popular now). They get removed after a couple days. But also when I used to play the game, they'd be on every single server.
[deleted] · 67 points · Posted at 21:44:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have an 11 year old cousin. I asked her what she wants to be when she grows up. The answer was Minecraft streamer. She already has an internet name and everything, and a few videos made. It'll probably take only a year or two before that dream fizzles out, it's much more concerning when it's an older person who still holds an unrealistic dream of internet fame. A friend of mine briefly dated a girl like that. She was 30, took selfies every day with a bajillion filters and posted them online, swore she was going to become a celebrity one day. Their relationship didn't take off.
Haremjutsu · 66 points · Posted at 22:05:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a friend that's 14. He's always talking about his channel and gets pissy when I say that he won't get famous.
Nobody wants to watch a chubby fourteen year old from an unflattering (Films from below because the camera is on his phone that he's using to play games) camera angle that exclusively plays mobile games.
Shacklefordc-Rusty · 34 points · Posted at 00:25:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wanting to be a YouTuber is the new wanting to be a rockstar. They’ll grow out of it as long as you don’t convince them that it’s possible.
ConspicuousPineapple · 3 points · Posted at 08:59:03 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except they can try to be YouTubers right now and advertise their blunder years to the whole world.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:32:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except being a rockstar, or musician, requires some effort (e.g. learning guitar or an instrument, and being a talented writer) whilst anyone can be a YouTuber, as it requires little to no effort with all the new freeware being released, that practically does everything for you.
Silentarrowz · 13 points · Posted at 02:40:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know. I know someone that has a ~20,000 sub YouTube channel. He doesn't make a ton of money, and he's not famous in a broader sense, but he still spends a lot of his time editing videos. There's also a lot things that go into it besides editing as well.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 04:11:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. I'm more talking about the 12 Year olds who play minecraft who think they're the shit
Silentarrowz · 3 points · Posted at 04:48:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm just saying. It's no different from a 12 year old fiddling with a guitar and playing power cords in Guitar Center
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 08:51:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but it takes some effort to play power chords.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 05:34:34 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why can't you be convinced that most genuinely successful YouTubers do put effort into their content?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 06:47:44 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do. I'm talking about the lazy ones, not the talented ones
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 04:27:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's 99% luck. I had a friend that worked at a big label. He even signed some big names. I visited his office once back in the late 90s early 00s. The halls were lined with Demo CDs. I asked what those were and he said "these are the talented ones...". All of them. Talented. He randomly grabbed a CD and gave it to me and told me to listen to it later. At first I refused because me taking that CD meant dashing some band's dream. He said if they are in the hallway and not his office, the odds of him listening to it were slimmer than the odds of him picking it up to give it to me.
I wish I still had the CD, it was amazing.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 04:31:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What were some of the big names?
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 04:33:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He'd be way too easy to figure out. But I guarantee you've listened to their music if you were a teen in those years.
I used to use a picture of him with said celebrities to score points with girls. "Oh, you want to meet X heart throb? That's my friend with him! Oh, don't believe me? That's me with my friend!"... If you want to know, it didn't work as intended.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 04:34:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not ringing any bells...
g0atmeal · 32 points · Posted at 23:23:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I won't lie, I posted my fair share of shitty video game recordings on YT. But it's not as if I lost anything by doing so, or wasted anyone's time. I learned a bit about social media and recording hardware/software. I see nothing wrong with kids pursuing lofty dreams.
The problem is when people are dropping out of high school / college to pursue their social media career.
Shodan_ · 5 points · Posted at 06:08:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Check "the lofty pursuits" channel, it's pretty good
kailu0912 · 2 points · Posted at 17:55:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love Lofty Pursuits! Thanks guys voice is so soothing. I'll start a video and listen to his process to pull myself to sleep.
[deleted] · 23 points · Posted at 22:31:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Coltrain_ · 16 points · Posted at 23:09:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Overwatch's release led to a ton of new big youtubers that had no viewers before. If you can be one of the first people to make good content on a new big game, that'll greatly increase your chances of youtube fame.
[deleted] · 46 points · Posted at 21:20:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some people just do it to have fun
CrazyCoKids · 1 points · Posted at 01:17:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would.
Cause I know nobody wants to see ads, so I wouldn't lose much except $10/yr.
Syflan · 61 points · Posted at 20:54:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You may not like it, but let them dream. Let them try their best.
HoodedPotato · 29 points · Posted at 21:00:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually love watching the cringy bad YouTube channels. They’re hilarious.
[deleted] · 43 points · Posted at 22:34:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
... Until its your kid who is sure he can become YouTube famous, and not have to work.
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That or he wants to work @ EB Games.......
He fell out a window when he was 2. He landed on his ass, but it must be where his brain is. (Im his Stepdad who arrived @ 6. Not my fault)
Lionswood · 36 points · Posted at 22:41:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh so your one of those kind of stepdads?
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 22:46:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What kind?
HaleytheDog · 28 points · Posted at 22:52:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pfft. Exactly.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 22:59:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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YoungNastyMan415 · 6 points · Posted at 23:02:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don’t look too much into a joking comment...
dubblies · 7 points · Posted at 23:07:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But you dont know what he was talking about. Maybe he was complimenting you?
You also seem oddly stressed, you okay guy? Parenting can certainly be tough, good for you taking it on with someone elses kid.
ProtestKid · 17 points · Posted at 00:50:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a stand up joke about step dads being lucky that way. If the kid turns out to be an idiot you can wash your hands of it. If he turns out successful you get to say, "I helped raise that boy."
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:35:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah... I wanted to work at EB Games part time when I was younger. I still might, but I've gone of gaming, I'm more casual than hard-core nowadays
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 03:11:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I told him that working there part time as a kid would be great! But that he needs to do something else. Weather that is seeking a formal education or getting one in the trades.
I told him this. If he doesnt work hard, one day, the world will make him. Hell be working 80 hours a week just to eat/pay rent and wont be able to afford the video games he loves so much.
But if he worked hard, he would end up working less later, have more, and more free time.
ImFeelingWhimsical · -15 points · Posted at 21:49:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cringy SJW YouTubers are pretty amusing to watch
orangebites · 21 points · Posted at 00:10:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I get more frustrated with the cringy anti-SJW that are really whiny and attract incels as their audience. I don't really get recommended a lot of SJW YouTubers on YouTube but it is probably because I watch gaming videos and that skews anti-SJW.
ImFeelingWhimsical · 5 points · Posted at 01:10:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't like either, to be honest. Both sides have good YouTubers, but both sides also have petulant kids whining about concepts and policies that they don't understand. Like most, I'm a centrist and see too much gray area in everything but to the Alt-Reich that makes me an "Antifa Cuck" and to the SJW community it makes me "Literally Hitler." Ya just can't win
butterflydrowner · -8 points · Posted at 22:18:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Looks like one of them mobilized the cringy SJW redditors
ImFeelingWhimsical · 6 points · Posted at 22:42:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I didn't think my comment was offensive, I suppose some disagree though
butterflydrowner · 3 points · Posted at 00:58:29 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jesus look at this non-binary fest
ImFeelingWhimsical · 3 points · Posted at 06:36:57 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
DID YOU JUST ASSUME THEIR GENDER?? I AM TELLING MY TUMBLR ON YOUUUU
triggered #literallyshaking #literallyhitler
butterflydrowner · 3 points · Posted at 22:52:50 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck yeah, I did. #theworlddoesntgiveafuckaboutyou #growup #trialbyfire
Also, you have to put a \ before the # if it's the first character on a line, because that's how you make a heading in Markdown.
Prosaic_Reformation · 13 points · Posted at 22:24:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Okay, what's up YouTube. Today I wanted to show you how my awesome build is coming, and show you how to do this too."
IrrelevantLeprechaun · 12 points · Posted at 00:20:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Hey youtu- oh whoops my mic fell- hey YouTube it’s-it’s me again, I’m playing Minecraft today, thanks for....uh for tuning in. I’m just.....uh...I’m just working on this house. Dontforgettolikecommentandsubscribe”
Finn_Tha_Hooman · 73 points · Posted at 22:26:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dude, they're fucking twelve. They're just kids, let them have their fun, ffs. Kids grow up eventually.
Spaceman248 · -37 points · Posted at 22:49:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The problem is the ones who give up in school and all other pursuits thinking they can do YT instead. Most kids don’t get to that point, but by 12 they should be thinking about potential real careers and planning classes around that
Lestat117 · 78 points · Posted at 23:07:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lmao what the actual fuck?
Spaceman248 · 7 points · Posted at 23:15:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It came across harder than I intended. I meant they should be considering what they want to do and yes, maybe join some clubs to see what interests them and take the right classes so you have options in high school. As someone who never took it very seriously and didn’t get into any of the colleges I applied to, I wish I had been more proactive in taking challenging classes because I never even got the opportunity to take the highest math I needed to be a competitive applicant later on in high school
Lestat117 · 24 points · Posted at 23:52:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mate, most 18 year olds still have no idea what they want and end up working in something completely unrelated to what they studied.
Asking a 12 year old to think about his future is just dumb.
Spaceman248 · 5 points · Posted at 00:03:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not dumb to just think about it, whether or not they know what they want to do they still need to understand the importance going into it. I’m just saying what I wish I knew after being rejected by every college I applied to out of high school (granted they were all reaches anyway but still).
raininglead · -1 points · Posted at 01:56:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most 18 year olds not having a clue is a big driver behind lifetime crippling college debt.
18 was old enough to be close to middle age with serious life decisions not too long ago. Any excuse to not be capable is bullshit.
piggy_wiggle · 5 points · Posted at 02:08:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a difference between not being capable and bring unsure of how you want to spend a good to thirds of your life.
raininglead · -3 points · Posted at 03:09:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Typical brokedick millennial excuses.
ERIFNOMI · 1 points · Posted at 11:46:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nice troll.
jawertown · 1 points · Posted at 01:20:20 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh fuck you then
CaptainKCCO42 · 3 points · Posted at 00:42:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Options in high school” What, like which elective to choose, between phys ed, music, visual arts, and shop?
Spaceman248 · 0 points · Posted at 01:51:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, stuff to either begin to develop interests or just fillers for the “Activity sheet” sections on college apps. I thought it was all excessive as well until I went through it
Atsusaki · 5 points · Posted at 23:32:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Idk where you're at but if it's a country in the west and what you take when you're 12 is relevant in highschool my heart goes out to you.
Spaceman248 · 4 points · Posted at 23:48:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m in Cali, in my experience it happened with math. I had the option to skip a lower level math class in middle school, but my parents and I did not think the extra struggle would be worth it. I took one other “easy” math course in high school instead of following the direct path to Calculus, so by the time I was a Senior I had only gotten up to Pre-Cal when the engineering schools I applied to expected you to have both full Calculus courses done. If I had taken the fast path in middle school I would have at least been able to fit the first Calc in.
Atsusaki · 2 points · Posted at 00:24:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Was it a fast track or two separate streams? Because here in Ontario we have academic and applied courses which are separated from the beginning of highschool. With academic leading into functions and later calc. I'd like to believe the system isn't so poorly designed that you need to fast track to take calc in twelfth grade.
Spaceman248 · 1 points · Posted at 01:57:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are no defined/named paths, but typically students wanting to major in STEM would take only the core algebra and trig leading up to the two calc courses available. If you took only those core classes you would be able to take the first calc in 12th. Since I didn’t skip pre-algebra and go straight to geometry in middle school, that put me one year behind, making it only possible to take the first Calc. Then in HS I didn’t do too well and took an easier, non-core math as a Sophomore which took me out of the running for any calc course.
basketofseals · 1 points · Posted at 01:08:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean it's not reasonable or common or anything, but it sure would help if we were at least prepared to think about it. A lot of people hit 18 and then immediately have to attempt to figure it out, and a lot of people don't do very well in that regard.
yatea34 · 18 points · Posted at 22:14:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Success is a lower bar for them.
Sure, they won't be millionaires.
But it's not too hard to earn $30-100 --- which is not bad video game money for a 12 year old.
[Edit: from the comments below, it seems damn youtube seems they changed their policies to suck for small channels. Anyone know decent alternatives? ]
Prosaic_Reformation · 24 points · Posted at 22:27:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
$30 at $2 CPM is 15,000 views. Not many people hit that mark.
Tabby_N · 8 points · Posted at 00:05:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ive had one video hit that mark. It got to 100,000 views a while back.
...damn I wish i monetized it. I could use that 70 bucks...
Laruae · 8 points · Posted at 00:22:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, because these videos are apparently not making youtube enough money/too expensive to pay out, Youtube is changing the rules. Now you need 1000 subs and must have 4,000 hours watches per year to get any money at all.
Tabby_N · 4 points · Posted at 01:05:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I Know. Sucks for me. I did Youtube in the 5th-7th grade. I was one of those kids discussed in this thread. (I wanna make it big!!!1!!) <--- One of those.
Now video editing is a hobby. I enjoy it, Im good at it considering thats most of what I did in middle school, and its cool to just make something! I will continue uploading to youtube, but money is not in this equation.
piglike8 · 2 points · Posted at 01:13:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What editing software do you use and how old are you
Tabby_N · 2 points · Posted at 02:06:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Started in Movie Maker now im always using Premiere Pro and After Affects.
piglike8 · 1 points · Posted at 02:25:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hope old are you and how long did it take you to transition frome move maker to after effects
Tabby_N · 2 points · Posted at 02:30:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wont spout my age, but im not an adult.
Movie Maker to Premeire (Video Editing) and After Affects (Special FX) was fairly easy. Ive used literally every software I could get my hands on. The move from was fairly easy, but thats helped by dedication and a natural understanding of how editing works.
piglike8 · 1 points · Posted at 02:36:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you older than 14 because I'm 12 and learning premiere and if your my age its a competition the older you are the less of a competition it is
Tabby_N · 3 points · Posted at 02:51:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know what you mean by competition. Dont worry, im only a few years older than you. Tips - Experiment. Ive been doing video editing for 5 years and experimenting is the best. Try effects, try messing with sliders, keyframes. Take note of how each thing works, and see how it works with other effects.
Watch highly rated tutorials. Its a tougher program for beginners, but you'll get it down. Good Luck!
piglike8 · 1 points · Posted at 02:52:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks
Tabby_N · 2 points · Posted at 02:53:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Np.
piglike8 · 1 points · Posted at 03:02:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks all you need to become a pro editor now is blender (which is a free 3d modeling software btw) to create 3d models and import them into Ae. A good channel for blender tutorials is blender guru
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 03:33:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
lol
Curaja · 0 points · Posted at 21:21:28 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
That has nothing to do with video editing. Try again when you know anything.
yatea34 · 3 points · Posted at 01:30:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow - that sucks.
Seems like it's providing a nice opening for a new video site and/or video ad network so you can monetize videos you put on your own site.
syrne · 2 points · Posted at 04:48:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Competing with Google is probably a tough game to get into. Need content to attract advertisers and need advertisers to attract content, if you're Google you can operate at a loss while those grow but unless you have something new to offer it would be an uphill battle to get funding.
CrazyCoKids · 1 points · Posted at 01:20:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unless you release Father Finger videos or videos of minions drinking piss. Those things get millions of views via some kind of sorcery. Who sold their soul for that?
AfterThisNextOne · 8 points · Posted at 22:45:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They would now need 1000 subscribers and 4k hours of watch time per 12 months time qualify for monetizing the channel, though.
Strider3141 · 5 points · Posted at 23:19:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plus 12 year olds can't legally take money
yatea34 · -2 points · Posted at 01:32:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So YouTube is paying their content-creators less than minimum wage (as unpayed interns)?
Seems youtube should get in trouble for that.
[yeh, I know, 12 year olds don't have big legal budgets or unions, so the rich corporations get to classify their content-creators as something other than employees]
TheGoldenBolt · 4 points · Posted at 01:59:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're not an employee of YouTube if you make YouTube videos.
Strider3141 · 1 points · Posted at 04:13:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're not an employee, you're self employed
ThinkingThinking2017 · 6 points · Posted at 00:29:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a great video by Alan Becker the Animator Vs Animation guy explaining how much he gets paid for his videos. It's about $1.70 for 5k views I think. Great for convincing teenagers their YouTuber dream isn't that easy
Przedrzag · 2 points · Posted at 07:28:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
$1.70 for 5,000 views is a CPM of 0.34. From what I've seen, that's very low.
vato817 · 7 points · Posted at 22:30:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know what you mean by spamming but I think its great my nephew has an interest n it and is learning how to edit his videos and putting himself out there.
piglike8 · 1 points · Posted at 01:18:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What editing software does he use
Satans_Jewels · 2 points · Posted at 23:53:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What else is a 12 year old gonna do?
Doggsboy · 6 points · Posted at 20:57:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But then the 1 out of the 3 million 12 year olds that doesn't listen to you will he the one to make it. Let this kids be not all of then will grow up to be a star but for the dedicated and devoted ones its possible.
butterflydrowner · 11 points · Posted at 22:20:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And that one should also stop fucking spamming
Underwatercrabpeople · 2 points · Posted at 22:17:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except that you shouldn't see their spam if you don't watch any of their videos are anything related to that. The same way I don't see any of it because youtube doesn't recommend it to me. The problem probably lies with you.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 22:36:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are there actually 3,000,000 people who all happen to be 12 year old youtubers trying minecraft or did you pull that out of your ass?
a_man_with_a_hat · 3 points · Posted at 23:35:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe he is exaggerating.
DoesntLikeWindows10 · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Half-exaggerating. Last time I searched "Minecraft" and filtered by Channel when I got curious it was around 3 million. I just did it now and it's up to 48 million. I'm sure not all of them are kids, actually Minecraft-based, or active.
a_man_with_a_hat · 5 points · Posted at 22:07:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well holy shit.
DoesntLikeWindows10 · 1 points · Posted at 20:35:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I searched up "Minecraft" and filtered by Channel, a couple years ago it said 3 million. Now it's up to 48 million.
I'm sure not all of those are kids and not all of them are fully Minecraft-based, or even active at all, so I'm kind of exaggerating. Usually when people talk about them they say they're 12-ish.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 22:36:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
AND you would be rich, from Moms and Dads who would buy your book so their kid GETS A REAL JOB, YOU DAMN HIPPIES!!! In' my day... (RAMBLES AND RANTS)
StopDropNFrag · 1 points · Posted at 22:34:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Out of curiosity (genuinely curious here), what would be your strategy to marketing a channel w/o trying to get your content out to viewers?
Scaryowl · 7 points · Posted at 23:02:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Make content for games that lack it. Make NEW stuff, not just "Hello everybody welcome back to sexy bear sim". Having a thing that isn't anywhere else on the internet on your channel is the best way to gain subs
Spore2012 · 1 points · Posted at 23:05:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
they're just practicing for better shit later.
username--_-- · 1 points · Posted at 01:44:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
maybe that's how I become a youtube star, by telling everyone else that they can't become a youtube star
amberlu510 · 1 points · Posted at 01:51:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just my classroom of 12 year olds would work. Thanks in advance.
prof0ak · 1 points · Posted at 02:16:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
is their end goal to become famous or make money? I doubt it
Lett64 · 1 points · Posted at 02:33:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My nephew must be ahead of the curve at 10 years. I hope by the time he's 12 he either gets the idea out of his heads or learns how to edit his videos.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 02:48:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What they need to learn is that playing Minecraft isn't profitable anymore.
69this · 1 points · Posted at 03:08:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My 4yo cousin was playing the Minecraft Creeper song on New Year's Day and it randomly popped into my head last night and thanks to this post I literally cannot stop singing that bloody tune, tune, tune. I don't even play video games!
YosarianiLives · 1 points · Posted at 03:53:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Literally impossible. Think of all the dumb shit you did when you were 12.
cosmicpursuit · 1 points · Posted at 18:03:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Related, the infamous "Meeting of the Miners" convention that turned out to be a sham/scam had a panel called "Star Crafting" that, lame StarCraft pun aside, focused on somehow picking a couple tourney winners to become "YouTube stars" on the level of 2014-era Minecraft YouTubers (e.g. the members of Team Crafted at the time.) This effect would somehow be instantaneous and involve continuous dedication to the winners' channels and lots of luxuries. (Note that none of this ever came to fruition, and rightfully so, unlike the other events at the "convention" that fizzled out.)
Potential legal issues about whether or not this constitutes child labor aside, I can now totally see what was going on in the heads of the organizers when they drafted that particular panel, whether their intentions were predatory, charitable, or otherwise. Probably the former, but w/e.
Curaja · 1 points · Posted at 21:09:40 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah, let them continue to fail, at all ages. If they ruin their life because they throw away all their time and energy trying to 'make it big' on Youtube, they deserve it.
loopywolf · 123 points · Posted at 17:17:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Corollary: STAYING a successful YouTuber for more than a few weeks
acideater · 47 points · Posted at 17:33:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's basically a job like any other. Have to put in enough time to grow your audience and produce content. I watch some YouTubers grind through the content their making. Particularly if they have a popular channel and tons of views on things that get stale quickly like "Roblox" content creators. Kids love it, but as a grown adult I can see the grind happening.
leftysarepeople2 · 7 points · Posted at 02:15:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of pro streamers do 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week. It’s a job that requires constant interaction with your fan base
loopywolf · 2 points · Posted at 19:33:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sound, but what about the factor of online viewer's tendency to get bored of "the hot thing" and wander onto the next hot thing?
[deleted] · 17 points · Posted at 20:00:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is why Pewdiepie shifted from Happy Wheels a while back and he picks from the top games on steam to play as well as the you laugh you lose titles. You pick content that will drive traffic from the searches.
AfterThisNextOne · 5 points · Posted at 22:50:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He doesn't and hasn't played games at all for quite some time. At least one YouTube, Twitch, different story.
workingmansalt · 35 points · Posted at 18:43:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is similar to the acting/musician point. Youtubers who consider themselves to have made it are usually the ones that supplement their life comfortably with it. I went to uni with a girl who does makeup reviews, xlivlovesmakeup, she's made quite a comfortable income off of her videos, sponsorships, and most importantly (according to her) she doesn't have to buy most of her makeup anymore, gets it for free so long as she reviews it
You don't have to be h3h3 tier to be successful, people like Philly D and Cinemasins and ERB etc are at the higher end of success and usually make their money off of merchandise. But those guys with 100k subs can definitely give themselves a more comfortable life
bpm195 · 13 points · Posted at 02:35:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think people forget that making $30,000 doing what you love can be as satisfying as making $130,000 spending 80/hrs per week doing something you hate.
-Spider-Man- · 3 points · Posted at 03:23:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
100k can be considered successful and they probably can make their whole living off of YouTube. If you do merch and a pateron then you can probably make over $30,000 a year which really isn't too bad for most YouTubers who are like in their 20s. It's a little low but if your doing what you love and working for yourself then it's probably worth it.
javelid · 1 points · Posted at 04:59:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can make a lot more than $30k a year (probably like 4/5 times that) with 100k subscribers
-Spider-Man- · 2 points · Posted at 05:39:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How do you think that? I did some math. Say the YouTuber with 100k subs makes 3 videos a week and they get an average of 50k views wich is common for that many subs if not less. An average cpm is around $4 for every 1000 views. That's $200 a video or $600 a week or multiplied by 52 weeks/year $31,200 a year off of just ads. That also assumes they have a good cpm and that none of their videos get demonetized.
Now the numbers for patroen and selling merch are going to not be as accurate because it depends on the YouTuber.
[I'm going to go to bed. Tommorow I'll try to remember to do the rest of the math but it will take a bit more work so give me a bit.]
javelid · 1 points · Posted at 08:05:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because I'm already making $100k+ per year off Youtube at 50k subs (with ~$70-80k from Adsense, and the rest from other sources). People w/ 100k subs get a lot more than 50k views in a week, especially since older videos will continue to accumulate views and some videos can go viral. I personally am getting between 25-35k views per day at the moment (so around 200k views a week).
-Spider-Man- · 1 points · Posted at 11:26:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nice man! My math doesn't check out but I still believe you, I might be calculating something wrong. Unless you have a surprisingly high cpm idk. Or I'm being lied to about average cpm. Also I'd be interested in checking out your channel if you want to send me a pm, Id understand if you don't tho.
aryanoes · 1 points · Posted at 15:41:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi just wanted to spread that CinemaSins is terrible content and show you why you shouldn't see it. If you want to see exactly why see Everything Wrong With "Everything Wrong With" Series by BobVideos.
Here's Everything Wrong With "Everything Wrong With Avengers: Age of Ultron"
imdivesmaintank · 32 points · Posted at 19:12:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or Twitch streamer...the number of mediocre talent gamers with no charisma or humor who think they're going to make it big on twitch is insane.
Hoof_Hearted12 · 19 points · Posted at 20:41:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It blows my mind seeing how much money the big guys make, though. I was watching a few big Fortnite streamers, and the money they made in donations/subs alone in an hour is probably more than I make in 2 weeks at my salaried job.
imdivesmaintank · 7 points · Posted at 20:57:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yep...it's just like professional athletes and popular musicians. when you can entertain thousands to millions of people at once, you make a ton of money.
PhoenixKA · 7 points · Posted at 21:57:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of them go from zero to full on layouts, streamer chair, expensive mic and just expect views to roll in for some reason.
JimmyBoombox · 2 points · Posted at 01:12:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gotta spend money to make money. Also please smash that like button and don't forget to sub.
BoltsNBeamers · 26 points · Posted at 19:29:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of my cousins buddies makes 400-500 bucks a month just by doing videos on how to do simple stuff like resetting oil lights. He works at a shop so he has a bunch for different types of cars. Not much to make a living on but shit 500 bucks is 500 bucks.
StarRice · 11 points · Posted at 21:31:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's smart. Explain it well enough, no major editing required, and extra money on top of a job.
wildontherun · 10 points · Posted at 21:42:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love these videos, helped me put in a dash cam in my car and run the wires to the back. These tip/how-to videos are absolutely going to be watched by someone curious
burts_beads · 2 points · Posted at 01:24:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And those channels get views buy rarely subs, so a lot of them got cut off on YouTube.
BoltsNBeamers · 1 points · Posted at 06:34:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He’s been doing it for a couple of years now that I know of. Not sure about how long he’s been making money. I don’t know how it all works but he gets/got legit checks 🤷🏽♀️ he’s my cousins homie so I’m not in a position to call up and say hey how much money do you make from YouTube.
PartTimeTulsa · 26 points · Posted at 19:46:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
eeeee
snowshoeBBQ · 277 points · Posted at 16:07:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I see another YouTube video on my feed about how YouTube is "screwing" over their channel with less than 300 subscribers I'm gonna flip the fuck out.
iller_mitch · 157 points · Posted at 17:37:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Got a friend who videos trains. Spends at least an a couple hour a day, 5 days per week, recording and editing. He made like $200 per year.
"It's just not worth my time anymore." Since they cut him off. I told him to run the numbers. That calculates to under $0.40 per hour.
He's making fuckall. If he likes trains, do that. But it's not enough to consider it a paid hobby.
Albres · 95 points · Posted at 17:47:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
YouTube has already came out with the stats saying 90% of the people affected don't even made the 100 dollar minimum in a year, let's alone get enough views to do so.
My little brother does video work and he totally agrees with the changes. To him and his buddies it's a hobby that occasionally pays back, don't go into this thinking a career is going to pop up.
acaii · 31 points · Posted at 19:27:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've made roughly $600 in the last 6 months off of two videos. Havent begged for subscribers so I fall waaaaay below the minimum now (but I have enough "hours watched" on my channel).
Albres · 10 points · Posted at 19:52:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
600 dollars in 6 months? That's by no means a large amount.
That's like not even a dollar an hour
McGondy · 42 points · Posted at 20:00:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For two videos, produced maybe 6 and 3 months ago? It's not bad, practically passive income at this point. If one went viral, he'd be looking at much more.
Albres · -4 points · Posted at 20:08:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But considering only 2 of his videos is making that much it's not good. It's like working in sales. You could have a good day and then months of shit days.
Either way he isn't going to be making a living hoping videos go viral.
McGondy · 12 points · Posted at 20:30:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not at all.
But at the end of the year, that's an extra $600 in their pocket for, quote, "30-60 minutes making each video". Very good ROI!
That's a month's rent, some new clothes or something to throw into savings.
acaii · 5 points · Posted at 20:29:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dont make videos for a living, I havent made more than two videos. Just saying, I thought it was interesting that not many people even make more than $100.
detourxp · 4 points · Posted at 20:44:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, but if you do it as a side hobby the extra income you can get from a popular video is nice.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 07:20:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Albres · 1 points · Posted at 14:24:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then he sticks to his day job.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 14:26:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Albres · 1 points · Posted at 14:57:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol no I got a job like everyone else instead of making videos on an oversaturated market.
I have no pity for when a 300 sub channel with shit editing, garbage personality, and unoriginal idea whines about how YouTube won't give them money anymore.
StopDropNFrag · 3 points · Posted at 22:30:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not bad for passive income. Depending on popularity it will continue to bring in revenue.
starlit_moon · 1 points · Posted at 01:44:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If he gets enjoyment out of doing it then it is fine for a hobby. He couldn't live off doing it, sure. It is so hard to make money in a creative industry. I think he's doing pretty good.
MainSailFreedom · 1 points · Posted at 01:46:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Curious - could you link your video!?
BlissnHilltopSentry · 2 points · Posted at 03:30:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like youtube trying to cover their ass with shitty stats.
Of course 90% of the people affrcted don't make the 100 minimum, because youtube is flooded with channels no one knows about.
The one's making a living are less than the 1%
That stat tells you nothing about the % of people who were making a living off of youtube that got affected. It could be 100% of them.
Holiday_in_Asgard · 0 points · Posted at 21:44:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't even know the context of the changes beyond this thread, so don't take this as me trying to argue with you, but I just wanted to point out the facile nature of that statistic: "90% of the people affected don't even make the $100 minimum in a year." Think of it in terms of conditional probability. Lets define some variables: P(s)= % of a youtubers making more than $100 a year.
P(a)= % YouTube's affected by changes.
P(s|a)=% of successful youtubers in the subset of those affected. Which you tell us is 10%
P(a|s)=% of affected youtubers who are successful.
Probability theory tells us:
P(s|a)=p(a&s)/p(a)=10%
P(a|s)=p(a&s)/p(s)
Solving for p(a&s) and inputing 10% for P(s|a) gives:
10%(p(a)/p(s))=P(a|s)
So if there are more youtubers who were affected than there were youtubers that are successful (which is likely, given that success is rare) then, successful youtubers are more likely to be affected than unsuccessful youtubers.
Again, just pointing out the fallacy. Your brothers testimony seems to support your case so its probably still a good thing over all.
Albres · 1 points · Posted at 23:00:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not making some guess here, That's straight from YouTube.
and the 10 percent whodo make more than that aren't "successful" they just make 101 dollars a year. The rate of "sucessful" creators is down in the low decimal regions.
Holiday_in_Asgard · 1 points · Posted at 23:03:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, your probably right. I was just pointing out your stat doesnt necessarily back up your argument.
DoneRedditedIt · 44 points · Posted at 18:44:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's besides the point, taking 200 dollars out of his pocket because he isn't "big enough" is regressive. Why should those 200 dollars of ad buys be run on channels with 15 million subscribers like Logan Paul? If people want to see train videos, your friend should be paid for his content.
iller_mitch · 15 points · Posted at 18:57:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Does he deserve the money? Sure. But if the only reason he does it, and will stop doing it is the money, I don't feel is a great reasoning.
BoltmanLocke · 11 points · Posted at 20:53:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I stopped getting paid, I'd stop working.
iller_mitch · 4 points · Posted at 20:58:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure. That's called a job. How much would I need to pay you to work for me 2 hours per day, 5 days per week?
To do something you wouldn't do for free.
BoltmanLocke · 3 points · Posted at 21:03:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
£75 for my current hourly income. I get what you mean given this train example being small, but the point stands no matter how much they earn. The added incentive of making money is something one gets used to after a little while, so losing that would give one less of a reason to edit and upload something.
iller_mitch · 1 points · Posted at 21:22:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Best I can offer is 0.38 USD/hr.
Sure it feels significant ovrr a year. But it's truly not, and shouldn't make a difference if you started this hobby with no intention of making anything, and the pittance was cut off.
trippy_grape · 2 points · Posted at 21:13:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's fine. But to be brutally honest at this stage of the game Youtube doesn't need train videos to survive. They make most of their money (and views) off music videos, commercial products, and a select few huge channels and they know that.
starlit_moon · 1 points · Posted at 02:10:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Creatives deserve to get paid. Period. I write articles. I do it expecting to be paid. I don't get paid much, but I do get something back. If he makes train videos wanting to be paid, that's fine. He's creating content and he wants compensation for it. It's no different than any other job. I hate people who expect creatives to work for free or for exposure. Creatives deserve any money owning to them even if it just enough for a cup of coffee.
iller_mitch · 1 points · Posted at 13:21:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If a $0.80 per paycut ruins your business model, you're in the wrong fucking business. To say nothing about overhead costs of committing those 2 hours every single day.
Chazwozel · 34 points · Posted at 18:42:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have around 350 subscribers. Yeah the 30 bucks a month loss sucks (beer money), but I enjoy posting "how to" vids and will continue to do so pro bono.
It sucks I have the views but not the subs to maintain my gravy train, but thems the breaks. I have a day job that pays the bills.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 19:27:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What sort of videos?
Chazwozel · 16 points · Posted at 19:38:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My most popular one is resetting a car's ECU after having the battery dead or disconnected for a while.
My latest one is how to slap ass solder a broken latch on a trumpet case.
I sprinkle in a few car show events and motorcycle riding videos too.
Current project will be a pretty nicely edited video on how to sweat copper pipes for simple DIY plumbing.
Edit: I might PM you my motorbike lol
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 19:50:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shoot me a link for your channel. I’d love to take a look at your videos!
Chazwozel · 2 points · Posted at 21:40:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure!
Keep in mind, I've had it for a while, but recently got into a kick of actually posting to it. I finally decided I wanted to be a Youtube slap-assed Bob Vila for people that might not have a million tools at their disposal.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs5XGYGHoXn4Uf5mXD-I_MA
My next planned videos are (as mentioned earlier), sweating copper pipes, and also one on changing your car's oil with the bare minimum tools required.
Cumberdick · 1 points · Posted at 21:05:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually would, too. I know dick about these sorts of things so it would be nice to have a go-to place
MainSailFreedom · 1 points · Posted at 01:50:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Subd. Pretty impressed that one of your vids has like 360k views.
Chazwozel · 2 points · Posted at 02:42:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha, that's the money maker!
Thanks for the sub! I'll try to put out more 'useful' vids in the near future.
DukeofVermont · 91 points · Posted at 16:16:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"BUT MY $3.75 A MONTH!! HOW WILL I SURVIVE NOW! I'M RUINED BY THE CHANGES!!!!"
DoneRedditedIt · 87 points · Posted at 17:55:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, it could come out to over 1000 dollars in the course of a year. The joke that people will only be losing out on 4 dollars a month is simply not true. My channel can get 25 dollars a month now if I upload a decent video, for 80 hours of watch time. Youtube requires 4000 hours of watch time before they will even let you start monetizing your videos now. That's 1,250 dollars lost before you can even start earning money assuming you also have 1000 subscribers. That might not be a lot of money for most people, but it's definitely not 3.75, and if I do create original content for Youtube I'd like the possibility of seeing some benefit no matter how small. 1250 bucks can certainly buy a few meals. Youtube has a limited amount of advertising to run, by removing advertising from smaller channels those ad buys will run on big channels instead. It's completely regressive, "those little Youtube peons will hardly miss those advertising dollars... Let's run those ads on Logal Paul videos instead. He needs the money."
Let's also not forget that this is coming in response to backlash over the likes of Logan Paul, who with 15 million subscribers was not punished by Youtube. Instead, Youtube misdirects against small channels when they support actual corrosive content. Elsa-gate channels have millions of subscribers. None of these changes go after the worst offenders whom youtube has continued to protect.
This change also makes it more or less impossible to make money on infrequent uploads, no matter what kind of content you produce. If you have a viral video maybe you can still sell it to a vampire licensing company, but what if you just upload an informational video or an animation which slowly collects views over its lifetime? It's just a slap in the face because it doesn't even do anything about the worst offenders on Youtube. It's just a way for Google/Youtube to say they're cracking down on advertisers after outrage without actually dealing with the actual issues with their celebrity channels. They have preferred advertising partners which post absolutely vile content on a regular basis.
Youtube doesn't give a rats bare behind about bad content. Youtube has confirmed that the trending page is curated for a while now. Someone at Youtube personally APPROVED Logan Paul's video before it garnered enough outrage to be taken down and spark advertiser backlash. People need to call Youtube out for their hypocrisy even if they were only making a few bucks before the changes.
Edit: Just want to make a few more points while I got the upvotes and attention. It's disappointing to see so many people falling into the mindset of "of course the little guy should get steam rolled." The thing is, well intentioned people fall into that mindset and don't even realize it. It's not as if these people are consciously out to screw over the little guys or make things even more unfair or difficult. But that's how people behave. People will happily splash 20 bucks down a multinational corporation's black hole without a second thought, but then "Why should this guy get 4 bucks for his train videos or hobby? What a loser!"
Also, use adblock and only whitelist people who you want to support, particularly small channels. Don't let Google funnel your revenue generating eyeballs into their usual clickbait and celebrity award show videos. If Youtube won't demonetize their actual cancerous content, it's up to you to either stop watching it or adbock it. If people start black listing their celebrity vlogs and only play ads on channels which produce actually interesting or creative content (example being physics and science channels), that will send a much bigger message than anything else about the type of channels and content Youtube should be supporting. And also start uploading and more importantly, sharing videos from other sites like Vimeo instead. If you want people to have your back when starting out in a new venture whether that is a small business, or hobby... support others doing the same.
Edit 2: This actually makes me want to create a browser plugin to block Youtube ads on channels with more than X subscribers and work on a whitelisting system for those above x subscribers. I wonder how many people it would take to adopt such a plugin before Youtube got the hint, or youtube's neural net observed that fewer subscribers was translating into higher advertising plays per view?
DukeofVermont · 11 points · Posted at 18:17:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know I know, I was just trying to make a joke hence the all caps. I really do feel bad about how youtube has been treating the smaller side of things. I love the channels I am subed to with 10K other people. Between this and the scare with patreon I feel like we need a better way to support the little guys and gals.
edit: whoops typo
katiedid05 · 2 points · Posted at 18:22:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you mean "little guys" lol
MicrowaveKane · 16 points · Posted at 18:37:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The alien concept for me is why people think they should be paid for making a YouTube video. It used to be that people put videos on YouTube because they were interested in something and wanted to share that with the world or maybe a promotional video for their music or something. I get that the media landscape has changed since then and online videos is as much of a commercial platform as TV, for example. It's just a strange concept to me that someone in their bedroom can upload a rant about the latest Sonic game and expect to get a check for it.
Edit: I'm more commenting on the alien idea that YouTube was seen as a way to make money to begin with. Back then, posting a funny video of your cat was about the extent of things. I never thought it would be seen as a way for people to bypass the normal Hollywood TV process of getting an audience for a show. I am not saying people shouldn't be paid for creative work. I am more saying, "Who would've thunk YouTube would be what it is?"
DoneRedditedIt · 42 points · Posted at 19:19:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
People wanting to be paid for original content they produce is not a new concept. Youtube would just be pretty barren and unattractive if it wasn't for the content people create and share. Also, not everyone uploads video game rants. Regularly ranting on Youtube might actually be one of the few remaining ways to get into the partner program at this point.
Imagine creating a one off animation and uploading it to youtube. Even if that video collects 100k views and attracts new users to the website to be repeatedly monetized on each new partner video they see, forget about it. You won't see a dime for your work. But even if you won't see any money, you will be doing your part to enable the lavish lifestyle of Youtube celebrities like Logan Paul, as traffic is funneled into their videos through "recommended videos" in order to ensure he can continue to afford his penthouse vacations and sexy "assistants" whom he drags around by the ankles while not filming suicides.
If you want to make an argument about whether or not people deserve to see any money for their work, then there is plenty of trash content on Youtube that I feel doesn't deserve a dime, and many of them have lots of subscribers and views.
Also, small channels must promote their content outside of Youtube to get views, bringing users onto the website. Why promote Youtube's advertising platform when you'll never see a benefit from it? People will regularly click on a video link from an external site and then watch recommended videos or stay on the platform. Youtube will make money on them, but you won't see any of it because they refuse to show advertising on your video. They will wait until they click on the recommended videos they flash in front of your viewer after watching your video instead.
Lenin_Lime · 15 points · Posted at 20:00:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
ok m8
aahelo · 21 points · Posted at 19:14:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The quality of these videos have also increased dramatically, and a lot of time, work and effort are being put into that content (well, it can't exactly be said for everyone, but overall).
Back then "Charlie bit my finger again" was the top viral video, and overall most videos was just some random garbage with no value. And a lot of it was just one off videos with no follow-up or related videos.
The quality content you see today is only possible because of monitization. I think the content creators deserve the money they earn.
ZxR · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would love to know what kind of content you're making to be earning $1250 off of 4000 hours of watch time...
tcjohnson1992 · 1 points · Posted at 19:30:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is this Logan Paul video I keep hearing about?
Wanderluster94 · 11 points · Posted at 19:57:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He posted a video where he was exploring a "suicide forest" and there was an actual dead body. A man had commited suicide there probably the night before. Logan Paul actually kept filming, made jokes about it etc. and posted the video. This is especially crazy as he has so many young subs.
DoneRedditedIt · 10 points · Posted at 20:03:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, it's especially relevant because it provoked an advertiser backlash which immediately preceded these recent changes to their advertising program... which does nothing to address Logal Paul and ironically funnels more ad revenue into his channel by removing ad buys from showing up on smaller content creators.
tcjohnson1992 · 3 points · Posted at 20:02:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks. Was it the forest in Japan?
PM_ME_ODD_PICTURES · 3 points · Posted at 20:15:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's the one.
tighttritenight · 1 points · Posted at 20:16:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes
winglessangel31 · 2 points · Posted at 22:22:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He also just posted a video where he very much pretended to apologize and care.
And now you can find people commenting (on Reddit) that "he's changed" and "this will save lives". Bullshit.
ThinkerTanker · 2 points · Posted at 20:01:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He vlogged his way through the Japanese suicide forest and filmed a dead guy and still put it on the internet
AtlanticRime · 12 points · Posted at 16:57:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
YouTube is screwing their channel over
Albres · 8 points · Posted at 17:48:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's nothing there to screw.
YouTube might as well be dry humping air.
CaptainJackFerret · 5 points · Posted at 19:16:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's the principle really. Some videos do better than others, some go viral. Who wouldn't love to make a couple of bucks on their hobby?
Nickk_Jones · 3 points · Posted at 21:54:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The small channels just copy the big channels and the big channels all just copy each other. Meanwhile most of it is shit to begin with. Even the ones who don’t copy shit are mostly all the same anyway. Some of these people can pass off anything as “content” these days if they’re big enough. Just slap on a clickbait title and a “You’re not gonna believe this!” and you’re good to go.
[deleted] · 80 points · Posted at 17:46:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
HEY WHAT’S UP YOU GUYS BE SURE TO SMASH THAT MOTHERFUCKING LIKE BUTTON, SUBSCRIBE AND HIT THE BELL ICON IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN MY GIFT CARD GIVEAWAY CAN WE GET 5 LIKES ON THIS VIDEO.
thats_a_risky_click · 12 points · Posted at 20:22:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
LOGANPAUL.COM/SHOP
blackjack_oak · 87 points · Posted at 17:12:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
LordSoren · 59 points · Posted at 18:47:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
maximusGG · 21 points · Posted at 18:48:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
code- · 58 points · Posted at 19:16:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey its /u/code- here with another comment for you guys, I know it's been a while since my last comment, sorry about that. Anyway, that’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
OK guys that's a wrap don't forget to like comment and subscribe and I'll see you guys at my next comment! Oh and if you haven't seen them already don't forget to read my other comments!
DangerousPuhson · 43 points · Posted at 19:39:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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raeiou · 0 points · Posted at 19:14:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s because 90% of them are just copying other youtubers.
Filming your commentary while playing a video game isn’t offering anyone much.
Seanachaidh · 41 points · Posted at 16:32:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean it's still a long shot, but just like any industry if you can find a growing niche and stay consistent with it, as well as know how to network with people, your chances go way up. I'm currently watching a friend of mine who does a series on studying and analyzing stories in video games get a lot of traction in his little part of the site. It's really cool to see.
Confused_AF_Help · 28 points · Posted at 16:56:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Many original content creators have said, that to get the limelight nowadays, you have to have a REALLY original idea. Copying other people's stuff or doing generic stuff is a 99.99% failure guarantee
Albres · 32 points · Posted at 17:50:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or you have to have a personality to pull it off.
You could have the most uninteresting idea ever but if you have the personality and editing skills to make it presentable your chances go up. Which about 99% of these new channels don't have.
SirBackspace · 9 points · Posted at 19:58:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kinda like linus tech tips. If he was some random Joe with a thick accent I wouldn't really watch his videos, but he's linus with a really great personality and good presentation skills.
trippy_grape · 5 points · Posted at 21:17:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or be attractive. That's how so many people make money selling ads/products on Instagram. Look sexy, use a product that a company pays you to every once in a while (clothing, food, workout equipment, etc), make bank.
askmrcia · 3 points · Posted at 22:17:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know, all those prank channels were copying one another
wabojabo · 1 points · Posted at 23:32:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly, and most popular YouTubers now started because they had something to say. Many of them didn't went into it for the views nor the money, but for the content they wanted to share.
MainSailFreedom · 1 points · Posted at 01:53:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel the same way. The people who can produce really good content consistently will eventually find visibility.
JGar453 · 1 points · Posted at 20:15:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Occasionally lets players still succeed though. You really don’t even need to be original. Most let’s players who succeeded were able to succeed because they had a strong personality. It’s about personality driven content. Im not going to watch random boring 12 year old try to copy old pewdiepies style while he’s playing Minecraft, the most over saturated game on the platform. I am attracted to YouTubers with personality and passion for their work.
Antlered_Crusader · 1 points · Posted at 08:09:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Consistency is key. It's true for any creative field. So many promising webcomics never gain traction and fall off the planet because the artist occasionally goes on several-month hiatuses.
Conversely, many not-so-good webcomics rake in tons of cash every month because the artist is always updating their comic, even if the comic itself is pretty "meh".
StamatopoulosMichael · 13 points · Posted at 21:05:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Youtube just fired me from being a partner because my channel wasn't successful. Not that I ever wanted to be, but it still stung a little :D
bogzaelektrotehniku · 2 points · Posted at 01:11:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
me to m8
RastaLasagna · 2 points · Posted at 01:34:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah, I had that feel too. I was so close to reaching that $100 threshold :'(
StamatopoulosMichael · 2 points · Posted at 06:37:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Aw that sucks :( I'm still at 14ct :D
Kogman555 · 13 points · Posted at 17:09:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
SHUT UP MUM!
MisterPhamtastic · 11 points · Posted at 20:33:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone please tell my idiot 12 year old cousins this
They want to drop out and make Minecraft/League of Legends videos
Curaja · 5 points · Posted at 21:44:01 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Let them. The failure their lives will devolve into will be due punishment.
MisterPhamtastic · 1 points · Posted at 22:54:19 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Baby you right
I can't make a horse drink sometimes
greigames · 38 points · Posted at 17:12:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Less than 2000 channels have over a million subs and most of them don’t get very much money.
Albres · 48 points · Posted at 17:51:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The ones that do make money generally don't do so on ads alone.
The views and subs should be used as a platform for merchandise, patrons, and other methods of making money.
NickDaGamer1998 · 15 points · Posted at 19:11:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Best person task ask about things like that would probably be /u/SovietWomble.
IIRC he used Patreon even before Youtube took a shit on smaller channels, and most of the money he makes comes from there and donations he gets from livestreaming on Twitch.
SovietWomble · 54 points · Posted at 19:25:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Precisely this. Though this is more due to my stubbornness when it comes to adverts as a concept. They annoy me. Same with things like plugging merch/products, etc. Hence I never went for it and circumvented it with crowd-funding.
The good news is, what Total Biscuit once said is true - the outgoings for a Youtuber can be absurdly low. If we're just talking about an upfront investment for any camera equipment and licensing of editing software. Meaning that it only takes a small number of fans to keep the content coming. I've always found is that it's about 0.01% to 0.03% of the total subscriber base acting as crowd-funding backers. Which is a much more manageable group for updates and engagement, etc. And it also makes much of that aforementioned merch/sponsorship effort entirely irrelevant.
Plus these people are (more often that not) full-grown adults with stable jobs and salaries. Chipping in less each month then they would pay for a latte. Meaning that, like crowd-funding generally, overall risk is very low. And that smaller Patron group (at least in my experience) can be an excellent sound-board for your content. Letting you make adjustments and tweaks whilst receiving honest feedback, before anything goes out publicly to the much more screamy arena of Youtube comments where first impressions really matter.
Additionally, without providing the incentive for clickbait by rewarding views, creators can focus on trying to make something that's regularly interesting to watch. Be it video-essays, vlogs, critiques, comedy, trailer montages, tutorials, whatever. A lack of reliance on advertising means that you can focus on quality over quantity. Because the decision of whether or not they get to eat that month isn't being determined by how quickly one can finish a video. Which collectively brings up the quality of the website.
Lastly (as a measure of the stability it can bring you) in a worst-case scenario, Youtube itself could disappear tomorrow and crowd-funded creators would be more or less unaffected. They could just put their videos up on another site, or even make one themselves and just continue as normal. The only thing that matters is that the 0.03% get the videos.
I often bring up the comparison to a security deposit when renting. You don't give the deposit to the landlord, but to a third-party to hold in trust. Therefore why would you let your video hosting service handle your salary? Such important things need to be protected by a third-party so it cannot be held to ransom. Like, say...the adpocalpse did.
Of course, on the flip-side one could make a case that by bypassing the host websites monitization strategy, a Youtuber stops supporting the infrastructure that makes their videos available. And that's a valid criticism. I am certainly guilty of this and I would not shirk culpability if it became an existential problem for Youtube. But what is one to do if you fundamentally disagree with said monitization strategy?
I'll happily bring people to said site, but I'm not feeding them advertising.
TL;DR - Crowd funding has a lot of benefits, but also some potential problems if it becomes widespread enough.
page395 · 7 points · Posted at 19:48:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I read this whole thing before realizing it was actually you that wrote it lol
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 01:16:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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SovietWomble · 7 points · Posted at 01:25:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's most kind of you to offer, thank you! But only if you're absolutely sure.
As mentioned above with the 0.03% and the low outgoings insofar as living expenses are concerned, my existing patrons have been very generous and are thus far providing a stable salary for the editing I do.
Might I be able to talk you into seeing if any other Youtubers you follow also have Patreon accounts setup, and may not quite be at minimum wage levels yet? I'm sure it would mean the world to them.
Either way, thank you kindly for the offer!
betaich · 3 points · Posted at 01:15:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
May I ask what kinds of videos you make?
SovietWomble · 6 points · Posted at 01:22:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As trite as it's undoubtedly going to sound - compilations of amusing moments from stream sessions of various games. With perhaps a bit more focus on cutting out the irrelevant bits, alongside animated text and other visual effects.
betaich · 5 points · Posted at 02:02:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for answering, but that kind of content isn't for me. I still wish you good luck in the future.
Rushofthewildwind · 2 points · Posted at 13:49:50 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy crap mate. I just subscribed to your youtube channel before going to this post. Noice. I didn't know you had a twitch so I will be checking that out!
greigames · 7 points · Posted at 18:02:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
^ absolutely. Logan Paul (like him or not, he's one of the most successful people on the platform) has been reported to make over 15 times of his ad revenue through this merch.
supdood84 · 1 points · Posted at 22:09:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
considering he made upwards of 10mil off of youtube ad revenue last year, that's just not true lol.
greigames · 1 points · Posted at 22:27:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He makes an estimated 12 million a month on merch.
supdood84 · 3 points · Posted at 22:40:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Where did you read this report? Do you know how many sales he would have to make to generate 12million revenue per month for himself from his little online shop... he would have to sell millions of pieces (not possible)per month and pay for the people to run such a large scale operation. He definitely makes a lot from it and is one of if not the successful merch lines but let's be realistic. People estimate his net worth at 10-15 million (likely under-estimated) yet you think he makes 150million a year from merch sales..
greigames · 3 points · Posted at 22:53:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Forbes says he makes around 600 thousand a year
greigames · -1 points · Posted at 22:54:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Secondly, where did you get that his revenue was 10 million a year? Social blade? Everyone knows that’s a horrible estimate for YouTube income.
supdood84 · 1 points · Posted at 23:16:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You think 10m is a horrible estimate but you think 150mil from his merch store is reasonable? LOL. If the biggest youtuber, Logan Paul who gets 300million views per month, only makes 50k in a month, how does anyone else expect to live off of YouTube? 300mil views is not a small amount, your average "successful" youtuber struggles to get 10mil. RiceGum, a youtuber, once posted a video of his YouTube revenue in a month where he posted like 3 videos but accumulated 20million views on his channel, showed 60-70k revenue that month. Multiply that by 15 for Logan Paul. So 900k in one month would be the lower bound for him considering his content is less likely to get demonetized compared to someone who roasted kids for a living.
greigames · 2 points · Posted at 23:18:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
150 million? When the hell did I say 150 million? 2 million a month x 12 months = 24 million. It’s an estimate anyhow. Don’t get picky when you’re using the high end of unreliable social blade stats.
supdood84 · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you unable to read? You literally commented 12 million per month nor I did say I used social blade stats. I gave you evidence and reasoning for those numbers but you're just pulling random numbers out of your ass. Your source, Forbes, by the way, estimated 3.25million, not 600k, which is still a lowball based on anecdotal evidence. If he only made 3.25m in a year, <$1/1000 views is rather low for a high profile youtuber who was a preferred ad partner (which he was just kicked off of). Random youtubers who aren't preferred as partners report $1-2/1000 views.
greigames · 1 points · Posted at 00:19:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Chill out dude, it’s a typo. And the 600k is ad revenue, not complete revenue. And no, you didn’t say you’re using social blade, but whoever created the model for the data you’re using is, as the high value you’re suggesting is exactly the same. And it’s not about views, there are a few factors that go into it, primarily time watched and click through rate.
supdood84 · 1 points · Posted at 00:23:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What model am I using.. I'm literally telling you what people revealed they make to make an estimate on what Logan Paul would make. Forbes reported 3.25m last year from YouTube AD revenue, he made over 10m in total last year. Also my mistake, his channel only blew up mid last year so 3million is actually a reasonable estimate, but that doesn't mean he isn't making >800k per month recently from YouTube ads. And if i can't use views to extrapolate, what makes Logan Paul's 10+ minute daily videos not worth watching through nor clicking ads compared to anyone else's? In fact I'd argue his younger audience is less likely to have Adblock and would watch his entire videos which are longer than average, so am I actually underestimating according to your argument?
Oh, and you've yet to show me where he makes 24mil a year from merch.
greigames · 0 points · Posted at 00:18:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Chill out dude, it’s a typo. And the 600k is ad revenue, not complete revenue. And no, you didn’t say you’re using social blade, but whoever created the model for the data you’re using is, as the high value you’re suggesting is exactly the same. And it’s not about views, there are a few factors that go into it, primarily time watched and click through rate.
flynnstone9 · 3 points · Posted at 21:24:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was just looking at this today and socialblade claims there are around 4000 channels with over 1mil subs - just to give everyone a better idea (https://socialblade.com/youtube/top/5000/mostsubscribed)
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 20:20:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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fathom17 · 2 points · Posted at 20:53:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Link?
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 20:25:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So how old is the average audience of these YouTube channels? Is this an early 20 something and younger thing?
betaich · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It seems to depend deeply on the type of channel. Car channels mostly younger guys, gun channels there you can find them all, depending on the focus of the channel. Forgotten Weapons for example does history and how weapons work and he has mostly older audience, at least before Battlefield 1 was a thing. He even worked with the creators of that game. Than you have prank channels and stuff like Logan Paul where the audience tends to be on the younger side. Than you ave channels solely geared towards children.
krnlmustrd · 6 points · Posted at 21:27:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree with the commenters that say it takes some luck. But my philosophy was persistence pays off. You never know when you’ll make a viral video. And once any video is up, it’s just going to continue to make money indefinitely. So why not try! My inspiration was a man whose video of a water slide racked up 92 million views!
Im about as boring as can be, but I think there’s a segment of viewers who don’t enjoy younger people yelling at the screen. I’ve been at it 9 months and am up to 12500 subs and 5 million+ views over 200 videos. I did get lucky with a few videos so I’m not doing too bad. Since I started, I average $22/day in ad revenue. But the past 90 days, that’s been $45/day. Yesterday was $98. Woohoo! Certainly not enough to quit my day job yet, but way more than I ever thought I’d be making at this point.
Anyway, point being, it takes work but literally anybody can do it...
usofunnie · 7 points · Posted at 21:10:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For red ribbon week my daughter’s school gave the kids a paper to write/illustrate what they want to be when they grow up, then they hung them o the cafeteria walls. There were SO MANY “YouTube stars” and “pro vloggers” on that wall. It was more prevalent than the ever-popular police officers and firefighters. It’s a sign of the shift of generations.
thatothersheepgirl · 14 points · Posted at 18:47:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This makes me even more impressed that I know two kids who did make it big (over 1M each), both from a tiny private school in Wisconsin. Editing skills make all the difference I'd say.
CaptainJackFerret · 8 points · Posted at 19:11:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Editing, marketing, networking, being a person with a good personality and likeability
Muffmuncher · 2 points · Posted at 20:45:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
LOL, Youtubers with good personalities? Eh seems to me the most popular ones are huge cunts
CaptainJackFerret · 2 points · Posted at 21:09:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh agreed certainly some are unpleasant people with yes-men surrounding them. However there are level headed YouTubers like Phillip DeFranco and PewDiePie to balance them out
trippy_grape · -1 points · Posted at 21:20:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, that is a good personality. For entertainment. Lets be real, most people don't want to sit there and watch someone be super polite and nice for 30 minutes. People that are bold, ambitious, over the top, and cocky are fun to watch. Same thing with reality TV.
RetroSpock · 30 points · Posted at 16:04:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I sense a lot of attempts in this comment. :(
DukeofVermont · 38 points · Posted at 16:17:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
and for the next attempt remember to SMASH that like button and hit subscribe!...a slow tear rolls down his face
ViolableOlive · 18 points · Posted at 16:20:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
*jump cut to 40 second outro clip
Rushofthewildwind · 1 points · Posted at 13:53:06 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly, I was thinking about it. I was thinking of going through old trash reality tv shows such as Flavor of love or I love New York and shit like that. Kinda like Mista GG does for "To catch a Predator" but not sure how to go about it
DrLindenRS · 13 points · Posted at 18:39:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know how to succeed easily: 1. Be 12 2. Make a Minecraft or roblox channel 3. Record in low quality with a bad mic 4. Profit
edwsmith · 7 points · Posted at 17:08:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know 3 large youtubers, maybe if I'd joined them I would be as well. Oh well, I like my shitty food videos and 300 or so subscribers anyway.
ImJumentous · 6 points · Posted at 20:55:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My sister is a successful youtuber.. She said it was really easy. She said all you have to do is click bait and people watch
hirumared · 2 points · Posted at 21:49:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also youtuber - Yah pretty much.
Its obviously a little bit more complicated than that, but thats a good start.
throwaway_ow · 3 points · Posted at 01:24:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
also a youtuber- I grew up with a very pride driven moralset. I actively avoided clickbait or anything I felt wasn't a proper respectful illustration of the video itself. It took me a lot of work to get where I am, but i'm at a level it can be considered a good job. But I can confirm that abusing clickbait is indeed much easier than the average person thinks, so long as they do their research on trends. It takes a lot of self control to avoid that path..
JimmyBoombox · 1 points · Posted at 01:15:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's also gets easier if you're a girl and more easy if you're attractive.
one_love_silvia · -1 points · Posted at 01:10:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Being a grill is also a part of that
AnAppariti0n · 7 points · Posted at 20:08:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My gf is an elementary school teacher and she mentioned one of her kids wants to be a professional youtuber when they grow up. Good luck kid, but don’t put all your eggs in that basket.
Yames24 · 2 points · Posted at 19:53:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
majority of the ones i watch 5-6 years ago have turned to patreon and twitch because the ad revenue is not longer sufficient.
SolarEnigma · 2 points · Posted at 21:18:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel that if you go in specifically to make money and be famous then you won't get anywhere at this point. However, if you have a passion for the videos you are making then go for it and if you end up being able to go full time then it's a win-win.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:12:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
At some point in history we will look back on the stupidity of this youtuber phenomenon and just roll our eyes. I already do.
[deleted] · 1399 points · Posted at 13:57:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rent controlled apartments in NYC.
buckus69 · 486 points · Posted at 22:38:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If TV is accurate, they're all occupied by part-time coffee-shop employees who work approximately ten minutes a day.
LusoAustralian · 34 points · Posted at 08:16:49 on February 6, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean do you want every tv show to be office drones struggling to make ends meet while living boring lives? It’s fiction for a reason
NewCommonSensei · 371 points · Posted at 15:53:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's fewer than 40,000 I believe, and that's counting all the boroughs as well. There are almost zero new rent controlled apartments.
Edit: 40,000 out of a housing stock of over 3,400,000
Also rent control will typically end with the current tenant moving out or dying.
Edit 2: my most upvoted post, thanks:)
TryAndDoxMe · 27 points · Posted at 16:45:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So what's the average monthly rent there for a 1 bedroom?
LilkaLyubov · 72 points · Posted at 18:50:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My great aunt pays $900/month for her apartment in Greenpoint. She is also 96 and has lived there since the Eisenhower administration, Kennedy at the latest. It's tiny, and currently her landlord is fighting her not to add her deadbeat son to the lease, because they've been wanting her to go since before I was born. My parents were paying a few times more when I was a kid a few blocks away. And this was before it was gentrified, so I can only imagine how different it is now.
[deleted] · 34 points · Posted at 23:29:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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dbath · 26 points · Posted at 02:56:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was presumably less back then, rent control generally allows for small yearly increases.
JaceJackrabbit · 33 points · Posted at 16:57:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Varies a lot from one neighborhood to the next. If you’re living alone, you’re looking at a ballpark of $1,100 to $2,800 anywhere near the city. Go further out in the outer boroughs (queens, Bronx, Brooklyn), and you can get below $1,000, but you’re now thirty minutes or more from the city.
TheFuckityFuckIsThis · 62 points · Posted at 17:35:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can't even get a studio in Brooklyn or Queens for $1100. Maybe in the Bronx. I would KILL for an $1100 studio and I live in Brooklyn. I pay $960 for a room in a 3 bed with two roommates.
emariesaywhat · 39 points · Posted at 18:05:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's actually a LOT cheaper to live with a roommate or look for a 2-bed instead of a studio/1-bed. When I moved into my decently-sized (for Manhattan) 2-bed, the rent was $1755. However, I looked at studios and 1-BR, too, and they were like $1500+ in the same neighborhood (My friend's studio is $1900). Getting a roommate, as long as you have good screening for choosing said roommate, massively drops your rent/utilities. Plus, someone will notice if you turn up dead.
TryAndDoxMe · 14 points · Posted at 18:25:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
$1755 in manhattan? All the ones being listed there online were minimum $3000. How do you find any that cheap?
emariesaywhat · 24 points · Posted at 18:40:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Funnily enough, Craigslist. And the post was nearly a month old. I thought there was no way the apartment was still available, but I sent an email anyway. Filled out the application the day I saw it, because it was perfect. Try looking in Hamilton/Washington Heights or Fort Washington. I've been here 3 years, and the rent has increased a bit, but both my roommate and I are paying less than $1000/month in rent. I came up with an apartment hunting checklist a while ago that I can share. I've actually sent copies of it to coworkers, friends, and even some realtors that I hunted with because they thought it was super helpful.
TryAndDoxMe · 6 points · Posted at 18:41:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I appreciate that mate. Will look into that.
treqwe123 · 3 points · Posted at 18:46:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mind if I jump on that as well? That sounds SUPER helpful.
emariesaywhat · 18 points · Posted at 19:14:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure thing! You can find it here. I figured publishing it would be easier than emailing it.
treqwe123 · 2 points · Posted at 19:17:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks so much! :)
TheFuckityFuckIsThis · 2 points · Posted at 19:16:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. I noticed. That's why I have two roommates...
JaceJackrabbit · 2 points · Posted at 22:03:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Really? I moved to Queens about three years ago and we saw plenty of listings for 1 bedrooms around the $1,100 range. Granted I’m talking about Sunnyside if not further west - not LIC.
johnny_moist · 5 points · Posted at 21:10:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Please tell where I can find a one bedroom for $1000 in Brooklyn
rocky_whoof · 4 points · Posted at 23:35:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe the average is above $3000. Though if you venture further away from the center you can probably find a 1br for around $2000 in a neighborhood that "looked very different 30 years ago".
The far reaches of the outer boroughs probably have some for around $1000.
snowqt · 8 points · Posted at 00:03:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why won't the government enforce rent control? It's a really good thing and keeps the cities affordable for everyone. Works perfectly in Germany :)
PseudonymIncognito · 20 points · Posted at 03:56:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
On the other hand you have Stockholm where rent control is the reason that the waiting list for a "firsthand" lease is 10-20 years.
For the government to enforce rent control, rent control must be allowed under the law. At this point, the only rent-controlled apartments (not to be confused with rent-stabilized ones) are a relative handful where the rent control dates back to now outdated price-control legislation.
snowqt · 12 points · Posted at 04:06:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Better waiting 10-20 years than making cities a place for rich people only, tbh.
PseudonymIncognito · 12 points · Posted at 04:42:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or you just let more housing get built so supply can rise to meet demand. Rent control is one of the few topics that economists agree on regardless of political affiliation (they're almost universally against it).
StealinYoToothbrush · 3 points · Posted at 13:03:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Economist never judge regardless of their political affiliation though. If it's directly or indirectly through those who pay them.
scubasue · 5 points · Posted at 15:37:34 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then the city is instead a place for old patient people rather than young go-getters.
snowqt · 0 points · Posted at 16:07:02 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, what's the problem? At least the rich don't get everything they want just because they have money. Same chances for everybody, that's written in our constitution. Everybody has the right to choose freely where he lives.
scubasue · 4 points · Posted at 17:42:47 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. And I would rather live in a city with young go-getters than old patient people.
StealinYoToothbrush · 7 points · Posted at 12:53:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Germany doesn't have a rent control, it has a "look here's a law to show you how we care but it actually does nothing, suck it people" -law.
snowqt · 1 points · Posted at 17:58:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well rent for normal appartments cant rise anymore. You can still find flats in the centre of Cologne, Munich, Hamburg and Berlin which are affordable, thanks to the Mietpreisbremse.
StealinYoToothbrush · 2 points · Posted at 18:20:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They are still rising. That's why the rent control isn't working. And good luck finding an affordable flat in Munich. Munich is the worst rip off.
From personal experience I can say how they still rise even in smaller cities. I already pay about 700€ warm per month and only moved in about a year ago. Today any flat of the same size/quality here is at least 100€ more per month.
snowqt · 1 points · Posted at 18:24:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
So what does this "rent control" do then?
StealinYoToothbrush · 5 points · Posted at 19:03:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nothing. It's just empty words. Technically it stops rents from rising above other rents in the same area. But in reality everyone raises them, so no one has a proportionally too high rent.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:14:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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NewCommonSensei · 1 points · Posted at 01:30:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think there are some situations where an apartment could become rent controlled today but very very rarely
[deleted] · 27 points · Posted at 17:29:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What does rent controlled mean? I’ve never heard this term in Australia.
Ganaraska-Rivers · -52 points · Posted at 17:50:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It means the government dictates how much you can charge for rent. Like price controls and wage controls, tried as an emergency measure during WW2. Doesn't work that well, has been a disaster everywhere it has been tried. But that doesn't stop lefties of the unicorn and fairy dust variety from believing in it.
fuckyouyoufuckinfuk · 54 points · Posted at 20:56:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
wow you are one bitter individual
AliYaHaydarYaHussein · -31 points · Posted at 22:32:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He isn't wrong, commie.
fuckyouyoufuckinfuk · 52 points · Posted at 23:24:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He IsNt WrOnG, cOmMiE
A1_ThickandHearty · 1 points · Posted at 20:35:36 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, he's still not wrong...
metal_monkey80 · 15 points · Posted at 16:48:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I HAD ONE! True story: Clinton Hill 2-Bdrm for 1,800/month. I lived there about 5 years before we found out rent-control contract with the city was lapsing and the landlords were trying to sell the building. They tried to forcibly(sneakily) evict everyone. I later saw my old apartment (now a 3 bedroom somehow) at 3,400/month.
joeykey · 2 points · Posted at 21:33:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lucky me!! West Village. Rent controlled.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 14:21:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Living there since 1971? Cause if not, it's only rent regulated or stabilized, not controlled.
joeykey · 2 points · Posted at 19:05:03 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably? I sublet on the DL I pay very little. Don't really know the details. But if you need to be right, then hey - yer right!!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:30:15 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly if it's a DL sublet....it very well may be rent controlled.
joeykey · 2 points · Posted at 14:23:40 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, I'm pretty sure it is. Dang - the person I sublet from has had it since 71? That's nuts. There's a smattering of long-time residents in the building, that have been there forever.
Meanee · 5 points · Posted at 14:14:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Any building with 6 or more apartments is rent controlled. I live in a 6-apartment building that was probably built before discovery of New World, and it's rent controlled.
[deleted] · 50 points · Posted at 14:49:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's rent regulated or stabilized, not rent controlled.
From Wikipedia
cantcountnoaccount · 46 points · Posted at 14:55:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope, that’s rent stabilized. Rent stabilized apartments can raise the rent by the city-specified amount each year, and raise the rent based on renovation/improvement, and are subject to luxury decontrol when the rent climbs above, I believe $2500. Rent Control, a fixed rent, ended in 1971 and only currently exists for people who have lived in a rent controlled apartment continuously since 1971.
Meanee · 13 points · Posted at 15:00:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, damn. TIL
ZweitenMal · -1 points · Posted at 16:50:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No.
akiramari · 1 points · Posted at 18:11:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Does this mean geared-to-income?
lnhvtepn · 2 points · Posted at 09:04:05 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, it is the upper limit or 'price ceiling' that can be charged if part of the original contract.
dakuzen · 14167 points · Posted at 15:28:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Writing code that executes on first compile.
SCPendolino · 777 points · Posted at 18:32:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well in my experience, it almost always executes. But it rarely works.
jesaispas · 474 points · Posted at 19:52:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Runtime is the real bitch. My code would work perfectly if it weren't for people wanting to actually run it.
Aemius · 32 points · Posted at 22:06:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
try
{
Application.Run();
}
catch (Exception)
{
}
insane_yet_awesome · 13 points · Posted at 00:26:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a friend with an MSc in CompSci who actually finishes his projects doing this. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. He claimed that's what professionals do. Right...
meneldal2 · 10 points · Posted at 01:41:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well it's nice to catch errors and to give a nice error message when your applications fuck up. But obviously the number of applications that CTD without any error message prove that it isn't that common.
Vidyogamasta · 8 points · Posted at 01:46:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work in Web Dev, and this isn't too far from the truth. The entire web request is wrapped in a giant try-catch, if it fails then it logs the exception on the server and returns an error response to the user.
Though an EMPTY catch block is a completely different story.
MagicianXy · 1 points · Posted at 03:45:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you set up the catch to try to do some last-minute logging about what just caused the exception, this isn't that ridiculous to do. But the code you responded to, as given, is absolutely terrible.
Jaitnium · 18 points · Posted at 20:39:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love you for writing this.
myzennolan · 1 points · Posted at 05:36:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My usual problem:
DeceiverX · 21 points · Posted at 21:16:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Came to look for or write this.
"Okay, fixed my few errors, looks like it runs."
Why the fuck is my output like that?
taka06 · 6 points · Posted at 21:55:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've had to send emails to the effect of:
Here are the questions you should ask before submitting a pull request.
did you successfully compile the module(s) you touched?
did you run the tests, and did the tests pass?
did you build a database?
did you start up the app?
If the answers to any of those questions was "no", please don't open a pull request.
lagerdalek · 6 points · Posted at 22:45:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, it compiles, I can go home now.
buge · 3 points · Posted at 04:34:54 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on the language. A strict statically typed language like c++ is much less likely to be able to start running. But a dynamically typed language like python is much more likely to start running.
SCPendolino · 3 points · Posted at 05:59:53 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
With enough experience (and some help from an IDE) you can produce a code that runs on the first try pretty consistently. Even in C++ - Valgrind, GDB and fsanitize=address give ample warning in case you're getting that memory wrong.
99% of the time we end up with code that compiles, executes and doesn't crash, hang or freeze on startup. But in my almost 10 years of coding/managing I only saw a handful of programs that did exactly what they were supposed to the first time they were fired up.
buge · 2 points · Posted at 06:19:58 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, c++ compilation depends on the IDE.
I wasn't trying to insult c++. I prefer it to python, especially for large programs. In python with a variable name typo, it won't catch it until the program runs to that point and throws an undefined variable exception, this could happen after a long time of important work. C++ doesn't have that problem, the compiler (or IDE) will catch your variable name typo. Maybe a python IDE would solve this, I've never tried one.
SCPendolino · 2 points · Posted at 18:01:11 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
PyCharm is amazing. Try it.
fromscalatohaskell · 2 points · Posted at 07:48:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Work in better language with better type system :)
AccountWasFound · 1 points · Posted at 21:25:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. At least with Eclipse I tend to fix most things that make it not compile pretty quickly. Then it turns out Of forgot to instantiate something so null pointer exception, then finally get it to actually do something and it falls to complete the task anyway
flyingcircusdog · 14594 points · Posted at 19:43:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
99 bugs in the code on my screen,
99 little bugs.
Take one down,
Figure it out,
130 little bugs in my code.
TheXypris · 4048 points · Posted at 21:13:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"figure it out" should be "patch it around"
part_time_fun · 41 points · Posted at 23:10:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I mean chronologically he’s already figured it out by virtue of the fact that he took one down.
cipher__ten · 31 points · Posted at 23:38:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I assume "take one down" means "actively begin working on".
p0yo77 · 15 points · Posted at 00:43:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
as in took the post it from the board
lothpendragon · 22 points · Posted at 00:57:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Stop using post-its, Gregg! What do you think this is? Paper Trello Day? We're all on Slack now."
p0yo77 · 4 points · Posted at 02:00:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hahaha I've had that discussion more times than Id like
part_time_fun · 1 points · Posted at 01:02:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That does make more sense.
thecodedgamer · 5 points · Posted at 00:26:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Patched it now
Bisping · 3 points · Posted at 01:33:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup. Dunno whats wrong so ill just start changing random stuff until it works
Ghost_House · 4 points · Posted at 23:49:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, it's from an old tweet, and prob something else before that, super recycled at this point.
punsforgold · 1 points · Posted at 03:47:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea that sounds way better.
zolot83 · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is where all of the other bugs come from.
SheeEttin · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I prefer "hack it around", but to each his own.
WadeEffingWilson · 1 points · Posted at 04:45:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"patch it around" should be "push to GitHub, commit, and merge it around"
manawesome326 · 1 points · Posted at 14:13:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Guess"
chris5311 · 43 points · Posted at 21:06:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Getting /r/programmerhumor vibes
Edit:it's not /r/programminghumor
elementgermanium · 18 points · Posted at 21:31:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/programmerhumor
NitroCipher · 37 points · Posted at 23:05:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
130 bugs in code on my screen,
130 little bugs.
Take one down,
Fuck fuck fuck,
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
agoodall · 14 points · Posted at 02:40:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You missed the part where I'm screaming, "But there's nothing wrong with it! It should work!"
frashal · 8 points · Posted at 04:41:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I found a bug in the compiler!
Hellothere_1 · 4 points · Posted at 05:45:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The best part is always when you have something that's almost working but there's still some problems.
Then when you try to fix them you realize there is a huge logical error in the code and you suddenly have no idea how that mess ever came close to working in first place.
havron · 1 points · Posted at 22:17:01 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah yes, the ever-baffling schroedinbug.
Matrix_V · 32 points · Posted at 21:23:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
50% of the time I see this joke, it's 99 -> 127. The rest of the time it's something else.
There's a deeper meaning here, but I don't know what it is.
DrMaxwellEdison · 60 points · Posted at 21:35:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's no place like 127.0.0.1, my friend.
TanJeeSchuan · 9 points · Posted at 22:47:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
!redditgarlic
2dfx · 16 points · Posted at 22:59:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How the fuck did you get garlic from spez?
garlicthot · 3 points · Posted at 22:47:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Here's your Reddit GarlicThot, TanJeeSchuan!
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ShitLetsYiff · 2 points · Posted at 03:12:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
!redditgarlic
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Here's your Reddit GarlicThot, ShitLetsYiff!
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underthingy · 1 points · Posted at 06:25:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's no place like localhost?????
Kirk761 · -1 points · Posted at 22:16:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
!RedditSilver
DFrostedWangsAccount · 6 points · Posted at 22:16:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
127 is (2^7)-1, or an 8-bit number with one bit used for
something elsemarking positive / negative. Underflow error.RaveMittens · 10 points · Posted at 22:26:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
With one bit used for something else...? No, it's a the highest value of a signed 8bit integer. 127*2= 254 <-- this accounts for -127 to -1 and 1 to 127 Add in the 0 = 255
BoomBangBoi · 2 points · Posted at 22:53:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Arguably that's one bit used for the sign
RaveMittens · 6 points · Posted at 22:54:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not arguably, it is.
I just didn't understand why they phrased it so oddly.
DFrostedWangsAccount · 2 points · Posted at 10:11:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd been up too late.
Alh840001 · 68 points · Posted at 20:56:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy codes.
dejoblue · 35 points · Posted at 21:08:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or,
Take one down,
Figure it out,
Everything works,
Instant legacy code.
morgecroc · 10 points · Posted at 22:37:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It only become legacy code if there is no documentation.
TheSacredOne · 3 points · Posted at 02:22:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And the guy who originally developed it isn't there anymore.
Elvith · 11 points · Posted at 21:50:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's dangerous to fix alone. Take this!
broke_gamer_ · 11 points · Posted at 23:07:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happened to me today. Flawless code. Fixed one small kink and it compiled with 680 errors....
vamsmack · 3 points · Posted at 02:44:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nailed it!
Zmo_1ndone · 10 points · Posted at 22:01:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
ive been wanting to learn a lil about code....noow you totally make me wanna flush that dream down the drain
frogsgoribbit737 · 23 points · Posted at 22:49:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its fun, but don't be surprised if one second you're staring at a screen with 50 bugs and the next second it's fixed and you have no idea wtf happened so you just leave it and never touch it again.
unkwntech · 2 points · Posted at 23:54:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
At least put a trigger warning on this one... PTSD man... PTSD.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:38:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
what are some good websites to learn from?
tehGeko · 3 points · Posted at 00:01:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Serious answer:
Freecodecamp.com Codeacademy.com Sqlzoo.net
aScottishBoat · 12 points · Posted at 22:16:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Go for it mate, seriously.
eepouvantail · 6 points · Posted at 22:47:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do eet! It's fun.
vamsmack · 2 points · Posted at 02:44:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If it’s intriguing to you definitely jump in. Just be prepared for the occasional sleepless night due to frustration. Then you’ll also have those moments of “I am the smartest person on earth.” Which makes it all worthwhile.
minjabinja · 9 points · Posted at 21:19:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are no bugs, just happy little accidents.
VelarWar · 11 points · Posted at 21:51:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is not a bug, it's an extra feature
Elubious · 3 points · Posted at 22:29:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's supposed to give put users credit cards.
caulfieldrunner · 2 points · Posted at 00:38:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
-Bethesda
RaveMittens · 1 points · Posted at 22:29:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pride and Accomplishment
Nochamier · 15 points · Posted at 21:03:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Should be NaN little bugs
rigred · 25 points · Posted at 21:20:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You just triggered my PTSD from that time I had a bug in gdb and had to debug gdb with gdb.
Please no!
aScottishBoat · 2 points · Posted at 22:15:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jesus, man, I'm at a loss for words. Btw i use arch
flyingcircusdog · 4 points · Posted at 22:25:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is having null bugs good or bad?
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 21:35:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Odd question. How do you actually know the number of bugs? Isn't it just "well it doesn't work so bugs>0"
paolog · 19 points · Posted at 21:52:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can never know the number of bugs, only the number of known bugs (which might sound obvious). You get an idea of that from the number of regression tests that fail, the number of issues the client has reported, the number of issues found by your beta-testers, and so on. You fix a bug and write one or more regression tests for it, and that helps give you a better idea of the degree of bugginess of your application.
Even when it looks like it all works, it's very likely you still have bugs > 0 - it's just those bugs arise in very uncommon circumstances or ones that no one's tried yet.
SolDarkHunter · 5 points · Posted at 21:50:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Code compilers will often provide a list of bugs they've found when they fail to compile.
Usually it's just typos. Forgot a semicolon, wrong number of close parens, etc . But one error can "hide" a bunch of other errors, so when you fix one, you seem to get more.
creamersrealm · 7 points · Posted at 01:21:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Syntax errors are not bugs, bugs are when your app behaves in a non desired way.
MetroidIsNotHerName · 4 points · Posted at 21:28:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just got home from a long day of fucking with xapi and Mono's horrible httprequest handling and this made me die.
Noideablah · 3 points · Posted at 22:11:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Learned xAPI last year and work with it daily today. I don’t know why, but it was a nightmare for me to get the hang of it and finally become consistent with writing my statements.
MetroidIsNotHerName · 3 points · Posted at 22:37:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im trying to do it first try ever in unity for a 500,000$+ deal with an academic institution so this shit better work when im thru with it.
Noideablah · 2 points · Posted at 22:51:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol if you write your statements correctly and get them sending correctly, it’s pretty great for learning analytics. We are able to get crazy granular with our data now
MetroidIsNotHerName · 1 points · Posted at 22:53:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well itll be nice because if we get this project done they wanna hire us for 19 more with xapi in all of them so ill be a pro soon
Noideablah · 2 points · Posted at 23:23:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Awesome! Let me know if you ever need help!
MetroidIsNotHerName · 1 points · Posted at 23:26:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well right now im trying to solve a webexception write error thats caused by mono when you try so send an HttpEncode request, so unless you remember dealing with that (the cause is the way Mono handles it) idk Thanks tho!
Noideablah · 1 points · Posted at 23:33:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m actually not familiar with mono. All my scripts/connectors for sending data i coded in python and then some real-time connections with a tincan JavaScript library i found
MetroidIsNotHerName · 1 points · Posted at 23:34:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeh im using the tincan C# library. I need to get a workaround for mono not liking ssl authenticated format, but there are a few suggested ones i have yet to try.
luv2belis · 1 points · Posted at 22:22:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
RIP in peace :(
abigehl · 5 points · Posted at 22:26:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Still better than segfaults
Eve_Coon · 6 points · Posted at 22:59:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I wrote code for a class in college I got tired of mass bugs not knowing where they came from. So Everytime I implemented a major function I would compile it and solve errors as they come up. Much easier that way instead of mass debugging in the end
NaCl-more · 4 points · Posted at 23:09:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm at a point in my app that we only have 2 known bugs in our code. Feels good man because it'll never happen again
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 23:15:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
130 little bugs........... damn adobe wants to run another update
mattemer · 4 points · Posted at 02:19:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I laughed out loud, then had to explain this to my wife. Then had to explain why it's funny. Then had to explain why we were married. Fun times.
iheartgin · 6 points · Posted at 21:23:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I want to upvote you but you're at 666 points. I'll come back later.
Edit: 666 to 7613 in three hours.
RSpudieD · 3 points · Posted at 22:04:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oo that's good!
Adr3am3rs · 3 points · Posted at 23:00:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What is this? A troll attempt?
tensouder54 · 3 points · Posted at 00:16:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or:
?
caulfieldrunner · 1 points · Posted at 00:40:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Until those both land on One.
Edit: is that 'while' statement needed? I'm not much of a coder, just decent at reading code. Wouldn't the exact same thing happen even without that statement?
tensouder54 · 1 points · Posted at 00:46:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah otherwise it wont iterate until
bugNo = 0starshappyhunting · 1 points · Posted at 03:48:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Infinite loop! Yay!
tensouder54 · 1 points · Posted at 13:38:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep time coefficient of
Θ(n∞)Pretty darn inefficient if I do say so myself!
Barnonahill · 2 points · Posted at 22:11:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm going to print this out and frame it.
AppleDrops · 2 points · Posted at 23:10:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you having coding problems, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but a bug aint one.
dracanus · 2 points · Posted at 23:23:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I fucking wish my bugs were little. Each one is a fathomless hole into the pits of Tartarus. Where my hopes, dreams and confidence bleed.
Arcane_Animosity · 2 points · Posted at 23:27:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow gold for a reposted comment. Lucky you
CHEESY_ANUSCRUST · 2 points · Posted at 23:27:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s the worst version I’ve ever seen of that song.
JTBSpartan · 2 points · Posted at 23:39:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've been working with Java in an AP Computer Science course and boy do I feel your pain
flyingcircusdog · 4 points · Posted at 23:59:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That was also my first real exposure to coding. I learned a lot, and also used more semicolons that I have in every other aspect of my life combined.
GreatTragedy · 2 points · Posted at 00:17:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
God, that 99 bugs morphing into 130 is so painfully true.
beerigation · 2 points · Posted at 00:58:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's so funny how this translates to pretty much every type of engineering. Road design is the same way. Fix 1 thing, fuck up 5 other things.
flyingcircusdog · 1 points · Posted at 03:06:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a mechanical engineer. Sometimes things just work in such perfect balance that any attempts to make it better just cause the whole system to crash.
Khanradski · 2 points · Posted at 02:05:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/gallery/HTisMpC
CaptainCF · 2 points · Posted at 02:14:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I got 99 bugs but a bitshift ain't one"
Better-be-Gryffindor · 2 points · Posted at 21:34:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I laughed harder than I should have at this.
I83B4U81 · 1 points · Posted at 23:51:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gold well deserve
sickfamlol · 1 points · Posted at 00:50:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
ctrl+a backspace start again
GolldenFalcon · 1 points · Posted at 01:03:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Ubisoft jingle.
hoylemd · 1 points · Posted at 01:10:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My sister cross-stitched this for me for christmas this year. It's hanging above my computer:)
creamersrealm · 1 points · Posted at 01:17:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This has been mylife all week.
GodOfEnnui · 1 points · Posted at 01:25:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You actually made me cry from laughing.
snoos_antenna · 1 points · Posted at 02:22:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"critical bugs" works much better.
1089maths · 1 points · Posted at 04:26:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/talesfromtechsupport
rhophiehalul78 · 1 points · Posted at 04:31:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lollll
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:32:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
130 bugs in the code,
130 little bugs.
Take one down,
Patch it around,
8 little bugs in my code.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:38:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
extremely relatable
Ravyn82 · 1 points · Posted at 05:00:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My wife has this hanging in her office
swordmalice · 1 points · Posted at 17:03:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not even a programmer and this made me laugh my ass off. Well done.
AdoreMei · 1 points · Posted at 00:58:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is the reason why I drop out of Game Design and Graphic Design. If there's one thing I learn with any code (game or web) is how to put a big fat bandaid and pray that no one will find it. :D
sapa_inca_pat · 67 points · Posted at 18:38:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you forgot this somewhere
;
tabarra · 23 points · Posted at 20:13:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh well....
MrSynckt · 8 points · Posted at 00:12:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ship it
PissRainbows · 4 points · Posted at 00:56:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you my boss?
draztico · 1 points · Posted at 00:53:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Outofbounds....
buckus69 · 17 points · Posted at 20:37:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm writing a client-side, transpiled JS site right now. The maniacs in our group decided to get rid of the semi-colon because, and I kid you not, "it just looks cleaner."
HurtsWhenIPvP91 · 1 points · Posted at 21:26:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The joys of ES6 right?
thundir_penes · 1 points · Posted at 22:08:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
let e = (e=>(e))('yay')
j0llypenguins · 8 points · Posted at 22:50:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm in intro to c++ rn...semicolons trigger me now
g0atmeal · 4 points · Posted at 23:25:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And this
()
MrSynckt · 3 points · Posted at 00:12:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Use a Greek question mark instead for a laugh
sapa_inca_pat · 2 points · Posted at 00:14:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is so evil
[deleted] · 466 points · Posted at 17:56:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This.
A friend of mine was watching me code something for who knows what reason and was like "Wow you're not very good at this are you. "
I wanted to smack him. Coding is an iterative process, you don't write a masterpiece the first sit in the chair.
cwew · 347 points · Posted at 18:59:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
To which your response should have been, "Wow you've never done this before, have you?"
Seeders · 50 points · Posted at 20:48:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Twist: that person is your boss.
[deleted] · 30 points · Posted at 21:28:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Usually, and unfortunately.
SquirrelUsingPens · 15 points · Posted at 22:38:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wanting to fire you afterwards but the HR software you built for him is so buggy he couldn't find the button to do so
sidneydancoff · 43 points · Posted at 20:33:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or just explain to him that it was a simple ID:10T Error, and for people who don't write code its pretty common to not understand it from the outside.
Fermats_Last_Account · 137 points · Posted at 19:48:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m the only software engineer in my family.
On our last family gathering, my sister said “you get paid too much to do nothing.” I was like, “what?? I do a lot!” And she said, “yeah but you know what you’re doing, so it’s easy.”
HAHA no. That is not how programming works. Yes I know what I’m doing, but many times implementing something and trying to understand other’s code can take a long ass time. And unexpected bugs and edge cases also waste a shit ton of hours. I get paid fairly.
TheHelpfulBadger · 105 points · Posted at 19:54:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure a neurosurgeon knows what they're doing too, but there is no way I'd say it's easy.
Elubious · 17 points · Posted at 22:47:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well they don't sit in a chair all day and look at a screen. \S
OldRustyBones · 77 points · Posted at 20:20:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Checking other people's code is such a horrific experience sometimes.
Fermats_Last_Account · 36 points · Posted at 20:21:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work for the bank app of 1 of the big 4 banks in the US.
We have over 50 people that contribute to the app. It’s a fucking mess. Many people write sloppy code, too much space in between things, no safe checking, etc.
We’re all separated into teams so I guess their reviewers don’t do a good job at it.
Takes about 6-10 minutes to compile and test the app each time.
paolog · 19 points · Posted at 21:57:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some suggestions: coding standards, code reviews, test-driven development. Your code will take considerably longer to write but the quality will be way better and have far fewer bugs.
creamersrealm · 3 points · Posted at 02:11:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also style guides in addition to coding standards.
savageronald · 1 points · Posted at 02:45:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
God I wish we could do test driven development. Our product team won't allow it due to added time, then wonders why so many bugs occur.
bearpie1214 · 3 points · Posted at 03:36:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your product team is not in charge of how you code.... You are. Pushing for quality code is the developer's job. I write a bunch of unit tests. I build it into my estimate and I'll either explicitly state it or not. I hardly have defects because I've tested so much before getting to QA.
savageronald · 1 points · Posted at 12:32:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean essentially that's what we are trying to do is just build it into estimates. Not quite as easy as "just do it". If it takes us twice as long to deliver, they're gonna raise hell and we won't be developers any more. Lot of shitty organizations out there that are timeline driven and don't really give a shit what the dev team thinks or if they put out quality code.
bearpie1214 · 1 points · Posted at 01:58:22 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lately I've hardly tested things through running the application anymore. I'll do a bit, but I trust that my unit tests are doing more if not better than u could through the UI. So I've saved some time setting up scenarios through the UI. I dunno, good luck.
paolog · 1 points · Posted at 07:47:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Crappy software but at least it's shipped on time, eh? Three more suggestions for you: agile development, agile development, agile development. It recognises that of the three sides of the iron triangle of product management, time and scope have to give way to quality.
Matrix_V · 5 points · Posted at 21:23:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work for one of Canada's big 5. My condolences.
Gryphon999 · 2 points · Posted at 02:10:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Random spacing/indenting will be the death of one of my coworkers one day.
Balticataz · 53 points · Posted at 20:33:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Checking my own code I wrote years ago is worse. Much worse.
[deleted] · 31 points · Posted at 21:31:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pulling up a mess of spaghetti code, thinking "What idiot wrote this piece of shit?", only to see your name in the comments section.
Colin_Whitepaw · 14 points · Posted at 21:51:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
git blame is my best friend and my worst enemy.
meneldal2 · 6 points · Posted at 01:38:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're like "git --blame oh fuck it's me"
nerevisigoth · 7 points · Posted at 22:10:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Years? I'm confused, enraged, and embarrassed (in chronological order) by code I wrote the previous week.
KansaiBene · 2 points · Posted at 23:46:55 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like most people, I used to not write any comments at all. I learned my lesson.
But I didn't learn it well enough because now my comments are like "do the damn thing" and reading it later I'm thinking, "this isn't even a function that I'm calling here, what damn thing was I supposed to be doing?"
OldRustyBones · 6 points · Posted at 20:57:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi me.
Fermats_Last_Account · 2 points · Posted at 20:41:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was given the task to add a huge implementation into the app that requires a lot of logic from several areas. I will most likely maintain it obviously in future tasks here, so I wrote documentation comments. It’s those comments that show up when autocompleting code.
starfish0r · 2 points · Posted at 21:06:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you trying to say that you discovered comments?
thundir_penes · 3 points · Posted at 21:55:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you trying to say that he discovered comments ?
Fermats_Last_Account · 1 points · Posted at 22:04:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nooo. I said I wrote documentation comments, something that Xcode can do. Different than regular comments.
Adi347 · 14 points · Posted at 20:39:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had a guy in my Cs class who wrote the whole logic behind the program within a series of Try-Catch blocks to ensure it would run. It still baffles me how he managed to get a B in the assignment because holy fuck was it a mess.
SirDale · 2 points · Posted at 06:07:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve written marking schemes for programming assignments and sometimes you get the balance between features wrong. You end up with goofy programs that you know are shit getting a pass grade but you can’t do anything about it.
LickingSmegma · 21 points · Posted at 20:33:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My biggest gripes with being an programmer for a decade are, it's horrible for health and it's boring as shit most of the time. I planned out the task and now have to punch the keys for hours with occasional googling, and I can't even turn on a soap opera because I have to keep thinking about this grind.
I'll probably have to use some nature documentaries or something like that.
Edit: oh, and also I've taken the 'work experience instead of college' route, and I regret it every day.
Shadowh4wk · 16 points · Posted at 20:35:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like you need to move on
Fermats_Last_Account · 18 points · Posted at 20:53:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That sucks. Sounds like you need a new job or break.
I love programming. Being an iOS developer was my dream job and love it. But down the line I want to be a mathematician.
LickingSmegma · 13 points · Posted at 21:24:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not quite sure what mathematicians do for a living, other than maybe stock market analysis. But afaik discrete mathematics makes one a kick-ass programmer.
Plus I suppose (some) mathematicians still have to code their mathematical stuff—I know for certain that physicists do.
drunkengranite · 1 points · Posted at 03:23:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
maths people have an assload of careers
thundir_penes · 2 points · Posted at 21:58:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do some neural networks related stuff, math + programming yaaay
Ran4 · 10 points · Posted at 21:06:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you can plan everything out and then just grind for hours, you're probably doing something that's much too easy for you.
Consider easing off the crud stuff and try to find a job where you're challenged.
LickingSmegma · 1 points · Posted at 22:43:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love being challenged!
Ruadhan2300 · 10 points · Posted at 20:45:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
While I'm working I usually just put music on my headphones and Zone out.
My code flows to the sound of power chords.
I don't think while coding unless it's a new kind of problem.
Elubious · 6 points · Posted at 22:52:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I usually don't start thinking until the bug fixing phase.
Answermancer · 1 points · Posted at 21:20:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Underrated comment. On point.
lielieboi · 1 points · Posted at 22:25:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
New job …
cipher__ten · 4 points · Posted at 23:41:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dunno, I've said that about myself before: I get paid too much for what I do. I mean I'm not wealthy or anything, but as a programmer 90% of my time is low stress, relaxed pace, and pretty easy. And for the 10% of the time when I do have to crunch, the people around me end up giving me way too much credit, like they just watched me perform surgery.
DiddiZ · 3 points · Posted at 23:00:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also exactly knowing what you are doing would entail that you already would have done this before, in which case you wouldn't even have to do anything, thanks to c&p.
Osceana · 30 points · Posted at 20:23:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's so infuriating. 99% of the work I do takes multiple iterations and a TON of trial and error. A ton of work I do is based on frequent lurking visits to Stack or desperately trying to word my problem right for Google to spit out a solution tangentially similar enough for me to jerry-rig into my work. It's basically just hacks on hacks on hacks and none of them come right away.
MrSynckt · 1 points · Posted at 00:09:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You should give test-driven development a bash
pookachee · 24 points · Posted at 20:24:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh my god this happened to me last night. I was coding a game for a comp sci project and my dad said,"how come it's taking so long; are you not putting any effort into it?" He has no idea what it's like.
PM__YOUR__GOOD_NEWS · 18 points · Posted at 23:29:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Code that executes "properly" on the first try terrifies me.
Big flashing red lights on the other hand are a comfort because they mean I wrote it well enough that the errors bubble to the surface.
draztico · 6 points · Posted at 00:52:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
For some reason I imagined you getting it first time while writing code for explody stuff. "oh my God, we're all gonna die!!"
meneldal2 · 1 points · Posted at 01:40:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I get the feeling. I'm like "where the fuck is the segfault".
Sometimes it turned out it was good code, mostly because the compiler caught my shit before I executed it in the first place.
combuchan · 12 points · Posted at 21:19:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hate coders that are like this. They're in like the 0.0001% of the population and they don't even know it, worse they attack others because they're not there in the same boat.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 13:19:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My coworker is like this. He's practically a coding savant. Why he's even in our building is beyond me, he could make a quarter of a million easily somewhere else he's that good.
I hate coding when he's watching over my shoulder. First, I can't do anything on a computer when someones watching me, second, I definitely can't code when someones watching me.
cipher__ten · 6 points · Posted at 23:40:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's like watching someone in construction building a house and saying "Wow your house sucks." after they put up the framing.
chaosPudding123 · 24 points · Posted at 18:13:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do
[deleted] · 61 points · Posted at 18:23:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hello world doesn't count :P
chaosPudding123 · 43 points · Posted at 18:26:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wasnt specified
blackdragon437 · 11 points · Posted at 18:19:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure ya do buddy ;]
Galle_ · 9 points · Posted at 21:02:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually did write code that ran on the first compile once. Once.
I think it was some kind of miracle.
Colin_Whitepaw · 9 points · Posted at 21:54:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think we all get one of those compiler miracles, but only one. I somehow managed to whip up an assignment for a class back in college and it compiled/ran without even a warning out of g++.
I have never again replicated the feat. :C
Yrvaa · 1 points · Posted at 23:22:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"I am, I was just testing you." insert smile here like you said a pun and you're waiting for a laugh "I was curious, what errors did you notice?"
And then they either help, and it makes you better, or they make fools of themselves, and you explain why you did something a certain way.
Meritania · 61 points · Posted at 19:40:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think Hollywood Hacking is to blame for this, with a few random keys on an apple macbook with a bunch of stickers on it, you can break down the firewalls of the Pentagon on the first try.
mad0314 · 52 points · Posted at 19:43:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And hacking/security involves some sort of real time cyber chase/battle.
Meritania · 15 points · Posted at 19:50:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Those Feds always chase you when you want the satellites to triangulate!
SirBackspace · 7 points · Posted at 22:05:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it would involve more roaming around bins and blindly hitting f5 for hours.
vopi181 · 4 points · Posted at 02:39:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Such is the life of an IDA user
b33r_engineer · 4 points · Posted at 15:41:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're through the first firewall! TYPE FASTER!!!
NOW THEY'RE THROUGH THE SECOND FIREWALL!!! two people typing furiously on the same keyboard
Old guy walks in, unplugs the monitor. This somehow solves the problem, crisis averted.
buckus69 · 17 points · Posted at 20:38:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It doesn't work without the stickers, though. Scientifically proven.
ghost_ranger · 7 points · Posted at 22:55:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
MaxPecktacular · 3 points · Posted at 20:47:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
CW super hero shows are absolutely notorious for this.
Wumer · 4 points · Posted at 21:00:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
To be fair, they're either a super-genius who is also the child of a super-genius, or using super-science hacking. The CW isn't playing fair.
AccountWasFound · 1 points · Posted at 21:26:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean chole was infected by brainiac....
Fatcow38 · 45 points · Posted at 19:53:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to have this issue, but then I decided to stop writing bugs and syntax errors in my code.
/s
sapa_inca_pat · 17 points · Posted at 21:06:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FTFY
jjirsa · 7 points · Posted at 22:35:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A real IDE makes most syntax errors a non-factor.
Fatcow38 · 14 points · Posted at 22:39:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
closes notepad
i-brute-force · 2 points · Posted at 23:38:09 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
fails to close vim
meneldal2 · 7 points · Posted at 01:43:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Until you start writing fucked up templates in C++. Nobody can save you from this hell.
jjirsa · 1 points · Posted at 04:37:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Play stupid games, win stup... sorry, habit, I don't really mean it.
meneldal2 · 2 points · Posted at 05:40:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not going to deny that it's often a very bad idea, but templates allow for some really good stuff. You just need to git good, then fail and git gud more and go back to step 1.
lagerdalek · 1 points · Posted at 22:49:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Syntax Error
That takes me back to my TRS 80 days!
QualmWiz · 24 points · Posted at 15:36:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You bastard.
dakuzen · 4 points · Posted at 17:28:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blow your cover?
ZakTH · 15 points · Posted at 18:05:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even simple proof of concept stuff usually has some kind of syntax error around line 323 or so that ruins everything. Do people actually think first-run compiled code is all that common though?
diffyqgirl · 27 points · Posted at 20:05:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It happened to me once. It was beautiful.
buckus69 · 13 points · Posted at 20:38:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shoulda quit while you were ahead.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 21:39:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of the 2006 Tiger Woods golf game announcer. "That was a great shot, until you hit it again".
66666thats6sixes · 1 points · Posted at 22:04:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It happens to me, but every time it does it's terrifying because incorrect behavior is usually way harder to diagnose and correct than compile errors or run-time errors. I'll take the compiler error.
AccountWasFound · 1 points · Posted at 21:28:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It it pretty common on basic programming problems so I could see why if they had only done simple stuff like summing stuff.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:25:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on what language and development environment you're using.
C# in visual studio highlights any errors in the code shortly after you make them, so it's easy to correct before you compile. Especially since intellisense fucks up after any mistakes
ipullstuffapart · 1 points · Posted at 10:34:17 on February 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, this guy makes it look like a walk in the park.
Moohcow · 17 points · Posted at 21:53:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember my first day of coding.
“Ok, I’m ready to run my code.”
56 Errors
“Oh that’s bad, but I think this is the problem”
113 Errors
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH PUT IT BAAAACK”
khawesome21 · 16 points · Posted at 19:18:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is hitting too close to home, as I got a hangman program due tomorrow.
Balticataz · 3 points · Posted at 20:44:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
UI based or just console?
khawesome21 · 3 points · Posted at 20:44:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
~~Command line. ~~ Console.
pm_me_your_ide · 3 points · Posted at 23:05:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What code base?
khawesome21 · 2 points · Posted at 23:08:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Java. Currently I'm stuck on making a random for the string that has words. (I have 5 words and I want to choose one randomly)
pm_me_your_ide · 4 points · Posted at 23:13:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So it's a string?
Probably would be better just to create an array and add a bunch of words to it so you can skip the split.
khawesome21 · 3 points · Posted at 23:15:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I meant string array. (I'm new to Java which is why I use incorrect terms)
pm_me_your_ide · 10 points · Posted at 23:18:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah, makes sense.
Edit: Woah, never had gold before. Thank you!
LiquidSilver · 3 points · Posted at 23:18:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Put the name of your array where he put
temp.split(" ").Cassiterite · 28 points · Posted at 20:17:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
(Good) IDEs highlight your syntax errors, so by the time I hit compile I know it will execute.
Now of course, whether it will actually do what I want is a different question entirely...
F-0X · 1 points · Posted at 21:54:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you have syntax errors it won't even compile...
makkynz · 7 points · Posted at 23:32:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Point is you wouldn't bother attempting to compile if the IDE tells you there are errors
wut3va · 34 points · Posted at 20:15:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If anything actually compiles on first attempt, I go "oh, shit!" It's not a good thing. Compilation errors are easy. Logic errors are hard to track down. (All code has bugs).
66666thats6sixes · 10 points · Posted at 22:02:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I'm actually really relieved when I compile and get a syntax error or a mismatched type error, they are usually easy to fix and it feels like I got "my error out of the way" with an easy one, as if there is a big wheel of Fortune type wheel that chooses the error you'll get and I lucked out. I know it doesn't work like that, but it feels like it sometimes.
Gryphon999 · 1 points · Posted at 02:15:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Congratulations!
You won a brand new edge case that will only occur once every 25 program cycles!
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 18:43:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fucking semicolons.
bangorthebarbarian · 4 points · Posted at 20:11:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean semiunicorns;
sross43 · 0 points · Posted at 20:34:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When your program isn't running and you desperately add unneccesary semicolons praying that will magically fix it. "Suppress the output" sobs "Suppress the tears"
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 20:57:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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sapa_inca_pat · 3 points · Posted at 21:05:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When you’re doing more advanced coding it gets a lot longer, not to mention writing your own functions for that code, so yea when you run a product for the first time and it says error and you’re looking at this monstrosity of 5000 lines code with like 12 to 15 different functions scattered throughout it... the screen outputting an error message isn’t exactly helpful.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:19:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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sapa_inca_pat · 2 points · Posted at 21:24:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
From what I understand some compilers don’t highlight error
grantisanintrovert · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just hope it isn’t minified or something similar
spec4d · 24 points · Posted at 19:33:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually did that once with a genetic algorithm I was writing from scratch in c++. I think it was 5 pages of code and it's not like I was copying someone elses work or anything though I did have prior experience with similar problems. It actually executed and successfully solved the problem on the first try.... then segfaulted after it was done. SMH
SwirlyShart · 14 points · Posted at 18:25:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I didn't realize people thought this was a common thing...
Sigg3net · 7 points · Posted at 20:37:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You should pick a scripting language. It'll execute alright. Well. Maybe not all right, but at least it's running. Or limping.
Mullenuh · 36 points · Posted at 18:38:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You guys don't use IDE's? Sure, your code may not do exactly what it was supposed to do, but it certainly will compile every time unless you ignore all the warnings.
PM_ME_UR_BOOST · 5 points · Posted at 20:07:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Vim
JangXa · 7 points · Posted at 20:35:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Vim has plugins for syntax checking
brianush1 · 15 points · Posted at 20:38:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
VS Code and Visual Studio > Vim
Don't argue. Just accept fact.
dubsjw · 6 points · Posted at 20:54:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Visual Studio w/vsVim > VS Code and Visual Studio > Vim
Don’t argue. Just accept fact.
trosh · 1 points · Posted at 00:03:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Typing “don't argue, just accept fact” should make you wonder whether what you think is true or whether you just wish it to be. It never works, and is usually in regards to a very wrong opinion. (Like this time.)
DukeOfChaos92 · 1 points · Posted at 02:18:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
VS is great, but sometimes I want to change one line in one file and recompile and don't feel like waiting 5 minutes to load the sln. If I can do it all from ConEmu that saves time
creamersrealm · 1 points · Posted at 03:13:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've seen college students code in VIM and I ask myself why.
PM_ME_UR_BOOST · 1 points · Posted at 06:09:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fingers never leave keyboard, everything is done with simple commands. Can do a lot of stuff, and fast
klousGT · 3 points · Posted at 21:50:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Most my code compiles the first time, it's the logic of getting it to do what I want it to that sometimes needs some work.
rodinj · 1 points · Posted at 21:27:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
NullPointerException
Mullenuh · 2 points · Posted at 06:09:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you get as far as getting a NullPointerException, then your code has most certainly already compiled!
i-rinat · 1 points · Posted at 20:23:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Since IDE actually use some kind of compiler for online error checking by running it again and again, every your program fails to compile when you're starting to write it. From the first character.
Mullenuh · 1 points · Posted at 20:49:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure, technically, if you look at it that way. Among all strings that lead up to your final program, most of them probably won't compile. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if there are some languages out there in which you can write constantly compilable code from the very first character to the last, as long as you do it in the right order.
Anathos117 · 0 points · Posted at 05:17:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your IDE is compiling your code every keystroke. That's where the highlights come from.
pragmaticpimp · 19 points · Posted at 18:24:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am more successful at writing code that executes correctly on first compile than I am at writing an email that makes sense my first try. Code doesn't lie.
gammaradiationisbad · 19 points · Posted at 20:46:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But you do
irockthecatbox · 1 points · Posted at 03:09:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly, it feels like a religious experience when a few hundred lines of code compiles and runs without error.
holydiver90 · 7 points · Posted at 19:47:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Psh. Mr. Robot & Elliot beg to differ.
ConsiderablyMediocre · 2 points · Posted at 00:10:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Realistically, Mr Robot would have gone like this:
F-society are ready to execute the hack - they enter the command, hit enter, and.... nothing.
Elliot remembers he forgot a semicolon. E-corp are alerted of the attempted encryption of literally all their data and reinforce security measures. Roll credits.
Mazon_Del · 3 points · Posted at 21:16:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is good. Whenever I write a big chunk of code and it compiles and executes EXACTLY as it should on the first try, I'm paranoid as fuck.
Yes, even when I have done proper testing.
Inetro · 5 points · Posted at 21:20:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Looks good... Fuck why didnt that compile?"
"Okay, okay, fixed that and... Are you kidding? How did I miss that? Fuck alright lets do this..."
"It opens! Does it work? Nothing works...fuuuck"
El_Chopador · 12 points · Posted at 20:04:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
90% of failed executions are because you forgot a semicolon
vingnote · 9 points · Posted at 20:49:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can't forget a semicolon if your programming language doesn't have it
Helluiin · 3 points · Posted at 00:37:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
just write pseudo-code, save the file as a .py and youre golden
El_Chopador · 3 points · Posted at 20:51:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is a joke...
Ruadhan2300 · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not true for me. 90% of failed executions are caused when I got partway through writing a solution, realised the correct solution was elsewhere/elsehow and forgot to get rid of the first attempt
"string testValue = WotsitManager.Instance."
Dascandy · 3 points · Posted at 21:25:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd be shocked if my code executed when I tried to just compile it.
Having it compile first time around though, I think I'm at a 40% or so. Which is pretty good :D
noodle-face · 3 points · Posted at 21:47:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But you know once or twice every software engineer has that moment when they write code that does execute the first time, like a goddamnwhite whale.
overlordsteve · 5 points · Posted at 20:19:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did that once for a calculator program. I was so scared by it.... I deleted the whole project thinking it was somehow cursed.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:29:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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atimholt · 5 points · Posted at 20:20:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:26:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Slight bug in your elevator... If you start at a floor higher than your destination, you will just go up forever.
brianush1 · 11 points · Posted at 20:40:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you think that's how while loops work... You should probably rethink your life decisions...
atimholt · 6 points · Posted at 20:32:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FUCK
i swear i read != :c
georog · 1 points · Posted at 20:47:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope. You'll actually end up on the target_floor or on the floor you started out at. In fact, even if the code was while (floor_number != target_floor) ++floor_number; you'd actually end up at the target_floor. You'd just take a major detour.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:57:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I suppose, it would only take a hundred years or so, no biggie.
georog · 2 points · Posted at 21:15:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on whether you're talking about the actual lift or the while loop. For a 32 bit value the loop would run less than 15 seconds on a modern processor.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:43:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was thinking more of an elevator moving at a few metres per second, if you wanted to cover 4 billion storeys in 15 seconds, you'd be traveling faster than light speed! The transition from Floor 2B to -2B would be rough too
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:09:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well if you're going down, is it still an elevator?
Ruadhan2300 · 1 points · Posted at 20:48:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah. The code will hit the condition of the While and immediately come up false and skip.
The awkward bit is that it won't go down...
sycomania134 · 2 points · Posted at 23:43:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who thinks this is common?
RedditRage · 2 points · Posted at 01:46:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Using TDD fixes this. And programming professionally for decades. Oh, and an IDE that catches typos of course.
dakuzen · 2 points · Posted at 02:26:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Big fan of TDD. IDEs are for ninnies ;) Real hackers code in the dark using stock VIM!
TotoroMasturbator · 2 points · Posted at 04:34:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was watching Mr Robot the other day.
I'm amazed how Elliot in a few hours can code an entire darknet market AND send communication to the authorities, while I'm here debugging hours for that one annoying off-by-one bug.
Cold_Leadership · 2 points · Posted at 12:04:19 on May 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am always stoked when it does happen. Usually spend 15 minutes writing code then 1 hour debugging it.
jrmo234 · 3 points · Posted at 19:59:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
or you could just use Python...
brianush1 · 8 points · Posted at 20:40:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
or you could just use an IDE and a real programming language...
videoflyguy · 1 points · Posted at 20:44:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hold up now. I feel like i should mention there is a big difference between programming language and scripting language
jrmo234 · 5 points · Posted at 21:13:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Had to look up what the difference is. Scripting languages don't require a explicit compile steps but programming languages do.
According to StackOverflow: here
And a small smattering of ones traditionally used with an explicit compilation step:
creamersrealm · 1 points · Posted at 03:16:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well I had never heard of F till now, there's another language I'll never learn.
borzee · 1 points · Posted at 20:27:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck this makes me feel better lol
Heksisl · 1 points · Posted at 20:30:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This!
linux_vegan · 1 points · Posted at 20:51:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This happened to me once. Best day of my life.
Wumer · 1 points · Posted at 20:51:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If by 'extremely rare' you mean 'a bona-fide miracle' then yeah.
NotAThrowaway66151 · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Too real.
MrSnow30 · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
or just works, if none compiled
da_governator · 1 points · Posted at 21:13:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's when I know for sure I've screwed up something...
OblivioAccebit · 1 points · Posted at 21:17:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thats why you have to write in a language that's not compiled :)
Taylor_NZ · 1 points · Posted at 21:28:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love how when it does execute on the first build we question whether the error list is right or not.
AuspiciousAuspicious · 1 points · Posted at 21:41:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It does happen on occasion, and that's when I get really scared.
Faustias · 1 points · Posted at 21:43:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
me_irl
Cartossin · 1 points · Posted at 21:47:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's a lot easier to try to run it than to carefully make sure all the semicolons are there.
_babycheeses · 1 points · Posted at 21:55:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If done this, twice, in 31 years of coding.
NineIrony · 1 points · Posted at 21:55:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Usually it goes through the 7 stages of grief. The programmer, that is.
Tahlato · 1 points · Posted at 21:58:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Amen to that
Aon_Borealis · 1 points · Posted at 22:03:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im not even a programmer but i do very lowkey modding for some games and even that is frustrating as hell.
bargle0 · 1 points · Posted at 22:03:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haskell or Ocaml.
PompiPompi · 1 points · Posted at 22:11:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was actually able to do that in a Job Interview, though I was asked to do something I am very familiar with(which was relevant to the job). I even surprised myself.
yatea34 · 1 points · Posted at 22:20:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because you're using the wrong languages and tools.
https://doi.org/10.1145/3122955.3122962
[I guess /r/programmingcirclejerk is leaking]
PM-ME-YOUR-PHOTOZ · 1 points · Posted at 22:29:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can do this every single time, what you talking about?
As long as every single time y'all only ask for a "hello world" level program.
apanteli · 1 points · Posted at 22:31:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
True story
PLM-YouTube · 1 points · Posted at 22:34:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wouldn't feel complete without that stupid error.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:37:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have my first coding class tomorrow this will help a hell of a lot. Thank you!
GIVE_ME_YOUR_NUDES · 1 points · Posted at 22:37:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Writing code is like trying to feed a gorilla by stapling bunches of bananas to your hands and then trying to punch him in the face.
faceman2k12 · 1 points · Posted at 22:42:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
10 PRINT "Oh Yeah?"
20 GOTO 10
Bob-the-Rob · 9177 points · Posted at 14:25:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
being able to 'make it' as a musician or actor or many other creative jobs. And by 'making it' I mean being able to earn some serious money or even just to make a living by just performing and not doing anything else.
Most of the time, you will have to have multiple side projects that only roughly are related to actually performing.
Or so I've heard. If there are people with personal experience in these fields, I'd love to read your comments.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 5948 points · Posted at 15:01:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a friend that’s an amazing songwriter. He has written with and for many famous bands and artists - lots of people you’ve heard on the radio. He has been nominated for a Grammy twice, once in the last year or two.
He has to work side jobs to make ends meet in between royalty checks. There is just no money in music anymore unless you are Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga.
Bob-the-Rob · 2737 points · Posted at 15:03:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even someone like him? That proves my point more than I would have thought! Thanks for sharing!
NSA_Chatbot · 1530 points · Posted at 16:47:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My brother plays with some of the country's best musicians. He lives with my parents.
[deleted] · 532 points · Posted at 20:23:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a good Netflix documentary called Hired Gun that talks about this very subject. Heartbreaking treatment of some of the best musicians around by people you wouldn't expect to be assholes.
Fleahouse · 66 points · Posted at 22:47:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
After watching that I now hate Billy Joel
[deleted] · 32 points · Posted at 23:03:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same here. I always thought he was a douche, but that doc really confirmed it.
pphtx · 15 points · Posted at 00:58:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am a huge fan of Mr Joel's work but could tell this last time I saw him in concert. Looking forward to the doc.
TedFlowsby · 11 points · Posted at 03:44:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And that dude from NIN/Filter
eyekantspel · 2 points · Posted at 19:52:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Richard Patrick?
unidan_was_right · 3 points · Posted at 03:15:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why?
Fleahouse · 7 points · Posted at 03:37:06 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The doco is worth a watch but here's an article that seems to explain most of it fairly well.
quietvictories · 7 points · Posted at 22:14:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They work for the masked man?
that-freakin-guy · 60 points · Posted at 19:34:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Living the dream. Fuck paying rent. I wish I could just be NEET.
AutisticJewLizard · 27 points · Posted at 20:53:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree, but the dude is educated in playing music, and is at least semi-employed.
dickbutttheworld · 14 points · Posted at 23:20:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My cousin played with the swinging medallions, toured a decade + with them, never made it out of the parents house long.... double shot of my baby’s love....
rawbery79 · 1 points · Posted at 23:52:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good song though.
gringofloco · 9 points · Posted at 22:26:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but does he get to go on tour? Depending where he gets to travel, that's still a lifestyle many would only dream of.
NSA_Chatbot · 10 points · Posted at 22:58:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No.
Iammadeoflove · -7 points · Posted at 01:39:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You sound like you hate your brother for choosing to follow his dream and be a musician. It could honestly be worse, at least his work is actually used.
I understand that being an artist is risky, but people really underestimate its importance and presence in society. Without art, we wouldn't have cool shows or great video game designs. Imagine a world without music, stories, or the simpsons.
Underwoodfive · 15 points · Posted at 02:24:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s not that he hates his brother (I assume). But he’s right about the reality of being even a semi-successful artist. I work in publishing, and it’s amazing to me how often I see people talk about writing and publishing a book as though it’s their ticket to financial success. Even if you get a book deal, you’re getting a one-time payment of roughly 50k-100k, and that’s before your agent takes their cut. You may never see money after that unless your book earns out its advance, and even then, the money can be minimal (about $2k every six months). It’s not something you can make a living on; you’ll still likely have to have a side job. I’m not surprised that other artistic fields work the same way. People act as though getting a book deal will be their new full time job. In reality, it’s more like beer money on the side.
NSA_Chatbot · 8 points · Posted at 03:22:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not at all, he's an extremely talented musician and I'm proud of him.
St_Bernardus · 6 points · Posted at 02:16:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Touring can pay well but from hearing from an industry professional you basically have to give up a normal like and relationships to do it. Even then I saw a low paying tour basically say don't expect us to get back to you due to the volume of applications.
Master_GaryQ · 1 points · Posted at 22:44:34 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know a few guys who were #1 sellers in the 80s and are doing the rounds with again as a 3 or 4 singer supergroup playing their hits in pubs and clubs around the country.
Their band will end up with 50 or 60 gigs a year around my town, and they're paid maybe $300 each a night (guitar, bass, keys, drums). The singers take $1-2k each per night, depending on sales etc
When the head interstate for a weekend of shows, they just hire different local musos
Ifuckinglovegeorge · 2 points · Posted at 04:54:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My homeless coworker can testify to this too. He's getting there but he left the industry ruined.
jackandjill22 · 49 points · Posted at 16:22:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've seen the same thing. I've seen designers that've worked the Emmy's that live in a single room apartment. Fashion design graduates that've worked/interned fashionweeks "". For me IME, it's mostly fashion but this seems true across the board, especially in entertainment. Being successful in these fields requires an immense amount of talent/luck/networking/business strategy; it's the latter the majority of people usually lack; if you're lucky enough to posses the former.
Iskandermissile · 13 points · Posted at 18:50:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Something something, unions?
jackandjill22 · 1 points · Posted at 04:39:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I said the same thing when Glam-squad, the Uber of MUA's started taking work from independent contractors & deregulating the market.
nightwing2000 · 9 points · Posted at 18:56:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I read some discussion about artist royalties when Napster was big - something about only 30 bands in the world make money off CD's. For the others, it's just a way to encourage people to attend their concerts. And the number of bands that can pay the bills for the year with one big tour is pretty small.
BeefMyJerky · 2 points · Posted at 23:47:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s not the music they are selling, it’s the brand.
PunkYetii · 152 points · Posted at 15:24:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If he's that well known that he's been nominated for a Grammy twice, and still needs to work side jobs to make ends meet... I'm going to assume he is just choosing to live outside his means.
TheRealHooks · 173 points · Posted at 15:31:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or he's living in NYC or LA.
barto5 · 154 points · Posted at 15:53:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not necessarily. I live in Nashville and see lots of "successful" musicians that are living in very modest circumstances.
Getting rich in the music business is not commonplace at all.
TheRealHooks · 62 points · Posted at 16:00:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey, a fellow Nashvillian!
You're right, most full-time musicians in Nashville live very modest lives. The session players, engineers, hired guns, etc, mostly making middle-class livings.
rex404 · 16 points · Posted at 16:40:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I too live am a nashvillian my friends neighbour is a pretty famous musician and you wouldnt know unless you knew who they were
KingTalkieTiki · 3 points · Posted at 22:02:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
go titans!
Legionodeath · 3 points · Posted at 23:52:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You. I like you.
cam-pbells · 1 points · Posted at 21:18:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Joining in on that Nashvillian resident comment chain!
Only been here for approximately 5 days now, so I’m one of the transplant Nashvillians.
TheRealHooks · 2 points · Posted at 22:44:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Welcome to one of the greatest cities on earth!
Sorry about the traffic :/
cam-pbells · 1 points · Posted at 00:19:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s not so bad, and that’s coming from someone who commutes from Bellevue (for now) to downtown every day
swordmalice · 17 points · Posted at 21:51:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is absolutely true. I work for a major record company and during my time here I've seen and interacted with everyone from interns to household name, established artists. Talented people abound, but very, very few make it to the point that they can be considered well off. It's a little disheartening sometimes to hear what some of these people go through, despite being part of the reason for the successes of the Jay-Z's and Beyonces of the world. My heart also goes out to the up and comers, eyes wide open and full of hope, unaware of how difficult it is to make it to the level of success that we see on TV. Inevitably they'll figure it out, and sometimes it's the worst thing to have to see, or hear about.
Drink-my-koolaid · 2 points · Posted at 03:16:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tell us a story... what happened when they figured it out? I've heard stories of bands whose posters were proudly displayed in the front office one week, and the next time they go in, it's someone else and they know they're out the door.
swordmalice · 5 points · Posted at 04:45:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, to protect privacy I can't go into too much detail, but one artist who was working their way towards "making it" ended up 100% burnt out making a debut album release, said album woefully under-performed, and it led to them leaving the music business completely to become a teacher. They were extremely talented, but just not the right side of marketable. It's shitty but a harsh reality for many in this business.
Raptorbite · 2 points · Posted at 02:47:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
maybe they should just do something else then.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 13 points · Posted at 18:28:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope, lives in Nashville.
wip30ut · 4 points · Posted at 20:07:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
that makes sense since the country music scene employs scores of songwriting savants like your pal who just churn out tunes by the dozens. There are so many of them that they literally work as teams to craft numbers for all these acts on the charts (who're supposed to be musicians).
coolbeans19987654 · 86 points · Posted at 16:28:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you make niche music (ie not Pop Song of the Year or whatever), this is highly likely.
The Grammy awards cover all sorts of categories, there’s even a New Age category. Not everyone who wins a Grammy is major label, Bieber cowriter.
greenphilly420 · 49 points · Posted at 16:47:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but the guy literally said he's written a bunch of songs you've heard on the radio
Which I would assume is probably Pop
black_stapler · 23 points · Posted at 20:08:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you write a song that is recorded and sells a million copies, the statutory songwriter rate is 9.1 cents per copy which comes out to $91K for one song, and that isn’t counting the additional amount for synch licensing for use in movies, television, video games, or other mixed media. However, few songs are written by a single person and the money gets divided among all contributing songwriters. Most songwriters realize that a fifth of something they can actually sell is greater than 100% of something they can’t sell.
HYPERBOLE_TRAIN · 18 points · Posted at 19:12:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
...or country.
xXColaXx · 2 points · Posted at 21:58:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Could be but Nashville is much more than country these days.
amumumyspiritanimal · 6 points · Posted at 20:23:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, if it gets decent radio play, he gets decent royalties too. Especially now, in the age of streaming. There are songwriters like Bonnie McKee, Julia Michaels, Sia(yeah she has #1 hits too but we're looking at her like a songwriter rn), etc. who could retire rn with okay investments and live a perfect upper-class life.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 14 points · Posted at 18:32:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't want to say which artists because he's my friend and I don't want people to figure out who I'm talking about. The artists I know of that he's written for aren't quite Justin Bieber level, but pretty close. It's definitely bands and singers the average top 40 listener would be familiar with.
coolbeans19987654 · 1 points · Posted at 06:06:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I was just saying about the Grammys because people forget there are so many categories that aren’t talked about on the news and I’ve met a few people who make music top 40 listeners would not know about, but have a Grammy (which is very cool).
tl;dr the Grammys give out a lot of different awards
Christoaster99 · 40 points · Posted at 17:32:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The music industry is ungodly twisted imo. The labels and people who do the least amount of work often get paid a vast majourity of the royalties. On every level including national/international acts, labels/promoters work on the promise of exposure and future success instead of paying producers and lower-level performers.
I've experienced it somewhat firsthand, being in a no-name band, but this is also an enormous issue with producers getting ripped off by top 40 pop artist and their labels.
marplaneit · 20 points · Posted at 18:19:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I played and was kinda buddies in a band with a guy who was a member of the most popular pop band of south america. He was paid 300 USD for every show... yes he was playing in like 6-10 shows a week... he did some serious money for being in SA and being only 20, but still after 2 years the band kind of died.
Schaatser28 · 7 points · Posted at 19:13:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Band’s name?
TheSmJ · 31 points · Posted at 20:27:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Albert Einstein
marplaneit · 7 points · Posted at 23:30:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Marama
lievein · 2 points · Posted at 23:38:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Die Antwoord
esacbw · 6 points · Posted at 00:58:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some labels are guilty of ripping people off but your comment shows a misunderstanding of how labels work.
Labels are in the business of investing in people. They will spend huge amounts of money to allow you to record your album. They will then spend more time, money and resources to attempt to make your record successful. The reality is, only 1 in 10 will 'make it' for whatever reason.
If the labels didn't make their money back, and make a profit, they wouldn't be able to keep investing and would quickly go out of business.
You also mentioned promoters not paying low-level performers. It is incredibly hard to make a profit on a live show, especially if there's a risk of no-one buying tickets. You'd be surprised how many live music nights make a loss. If a promoter was to pay everyone who performed a gig, the business wouldn't exist to put on the shows.
TedFlowsby · 1 points · Posted at 03:48:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's definitely different levels of "local" from the talent show night to the ones who truly know how to sell out every time
esacbw · 1 points · Posted at 17:45:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's no such thing as knowing how to sell out every time. The only way to guarantee a sell out would be to pay an act who should be playing much bigger venues. If a venue does this, then they have to pay an extortionate fee for that act and will still struggle to make any sort of profit
47Ronin · 4 points · Posted at 19:38:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Welcome to the revolution, comrade.
JonathanMBerman · 53 points · Posted at 16:14:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why? Being "well known" isn't the same as getting paid. If he or she wrote a song, sold it for a few hundred or thousand, then was nominated for a grammy, how is that supposed to elevate them above needing other work?
ncolaros · 24 points · Posted at 18:05:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not saying it's a perfect measurement but according to studies done, the average annual income of a successful songwriter (meaning, someone who actually sells their songs) is $43,000.
Fmeson · 12 points · Posted at 19:45:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For the level of skill and work that requires that is really low. Consider that the top few percent probably make way more than everyone else and pull the average up. If the top 1% makes 2 million a year on average, then the average of the bottom 99% of songwriters is actually $23k.
[deleted] · 32 points · Posted at 16:25:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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JesusChristSupercars · 13 points · Posted at 16:54:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plenty of money making artists aren't attractive at all though I do agree it helps a lot.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 17:03:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 42 points · Posted at 18:02:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You also have to remember that Taylor's family is independently wealthy and had the means to not only support her endeavors, but also her father and his business partner "invested" in her first album by buying a large majority of them to feign popularity and bring her media attention.
Don't get me wrong, Taylor has hustle and can write songs that truly appeal to people on a personal and commercial level, but her background allowed her to cheat the system a bit.
Raptorbite · 2 points · Posted at 02:52:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
cheating the system a bit is what it is all about. some business people call that your competitive advantage.
Boxcar_Overkill · 23 points · Posted at 17:27:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not a big swift fan because it's not my style of music. Her singing is average and she is hardly a professional level instrumentalist.
But she is easily one of the best pop song writers of this generation. Probably the best, and she deserves lots of credit for her writing ability. It's not just the melody, it's how she handles the bridges etc.
Even though it's not really my style of music, Taylor Swift deserves to be recognized as an amazing pop song writer.
dingdongthro · 5 points · Posted at 18:58:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think swift had a few excellent songs that elevated her to being a mega pop star.
But since then, all her songs are bang average. If she released these songs instead of the stuff off that album with Trouble and 22 on, she'd be nowhere near her current status.
I don't know the names of her albums, sorry. I'm more into Post Hardcore. I do appreciate a good pop song though.
Strangers by Sigrid. Now THAT is a fucking pop song.
callum746 · 1 points · Posted at 02:26:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Don't Kill My Vibe EP is unreal. Strangers is well on course to hit the top 10 in the UK after she won Sound of Music. Deserves all of the hype she's about to (and is) getting.
RollerRagerMD · 2 points · Posted at 19:41:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How much of the writing does she do these days?
everyplanetwereach · 3 points · Posted at 22:20:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
She wrote Rihanna's This is What You Came For, for example
RollerRagerMD · 2 points · Posted at 22:33:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, didn't know that
everyplanetwereach · 3 points · Posted at 22:45:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, 'the track was co-written with Harris's then-girlfriend Taylor Swift, who used the pseudonym Nils Sjöberg because they did not want their relationship to overshadow the song'
Formatting's not being my friend right now, so see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_What_You_Came_For#Writing_and_release
Hungpowshrimp · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happy cake day!
RollerRagerMD · 2 points · Posted at 00:07:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks!
Boxcar_Overkill · 1 points · Posted at 01:02:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
She writes not only her own songs, but has written hits for Rihanna and Little Big town as well.
ktv13 · 6 points · Posted at 17:51:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But her songtexts are so incredibly whiny!
I mean "look what you made me do"? No one made her do anything, she is just a girl that blames everything on others.
" Bad Blood"? All this feminist empowerment and then tearing down Katy Perry? Ewww
"We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" - It seems like you are the crazy one in relationships Tay Tay. Stop blaming it on others.
--> This woman is always the poor little blonde girl that other people treat badly. That victim bullshit makes me completely fed up with her.
Boxcar_Overkill · 9 points · Posted at 18:00:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not her lyrics that are so great - I think that depends a lot on whether you like her type of pop music or not. (Although she does do an interesting thing where she switches from between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person point of view during the song, usually at the bridge.)
It's the melodies and the song structures that are impressive.
Bare in mind she was a Nashville song writer before she was a singer. I think she was hired on her first writing team when she was in her young teens.
ktv13 · 2 points · Posted at 21:19:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean don't get me wrong. I generally liked her music early on and I do think she is a talented artist who wrote a ton of her stuff. Especially early in her career. Which is also the songs I like the most. But it feels with every year passing she becomes more generic and whiny as I explained above.
nightwing2000 · 0 points · Posted at 19:02:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes.
Raptorbite · 1 points · Posted at 02:51:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
so you agree that it is really about being physically attractive and having a reasonably good voice?
greenphilly420 · 35 points · Posted at 16:48:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah totally music is only about vanity, that's why Ed Sheeran's rich as fuck /s
bunglejerry · 20 points · Posted at 16:57:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You've never heard women swoon over Ed Sheeran?
earthlynotion · 52 points · Posted at 17:10:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not to say I have it all my damn self, but I'd argue that the swooning is despite his looks, not because of them.
Christoaster99 · 18 points · Posted at 17:45:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
IMO, these are both oversimplifications. Making it in the music industry means several elements in regards to talent, identity, vanity, differentiation, a thousand other things, and most of all, being extremely lucky.
However, money management is important too. I know a guy who plays in a small indie rock band with a following of about 5k and he claims to make $40,000 a year untaxed by touring, selling music on bandcamp, selling merch as well, etc. I can't confirm this is true, but judging from their touring setup, I wouldn't doubt him. Not to mention he has some extraordinary hustle.
Elsie-pop · 37 points · Posted at 17:12:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a woman, I can vouch that this is not necessarily about his looks, unless you specifically swoon over every ginger you see. The fact that he has developed talent adds to how attractive he is. His image portrays someome who persues thier passion. And he sings a number of love songs which basically serenade us through the radio. So a bloke who wouldn't typically be rated a ten on an arbitrary scale who is working to improve himself while passionately following what he loves to do, who passionately sings to every woman (who will stop long enough to listen) that she is in fact perfect, might well bump themselves up the desirability scale.
greenphilly420 · 6 points · Posted at 19:04:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly my point! Thank you
dingdongthro · 3 points · Posted at 18:48:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Plus, he seems like a very pleasant, down to earth bloke.
I'm not a fan of his music, but what a thoroughly nice chap he is.
Lumpy_Space_Princess · 3 points · Posted at 00:21:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I specifically swoon over every ginger I see. I might have a problem...
Master_GaryQ · 1 points · Posted at 01:12:02 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can you give me your rating of Newton Faulkner?
Lumpy_Space_Princess · 2 points · Posted at 02:15:02 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just googled him. Not feeling the white guy dreads, but his eyes are full of mischief, which I like. Get him a haircut and we're definitely having a conversation.
otterom · 3 points · Posted at 02:35:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, he has money.
There's a lot of guys out there pursuing their passion who don't get a second look because they're broke.
Oh, well.
Elsie-pop · 1 points · Posted at 05:55:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If they were ran side by side in a competition with someone who is exactly like them job, money, looks, demeanour in conversation, then the person pursuing their passion is going to win. Sure life isn't a vacuum like that, but people who do are far more interesting than people who don't.
Raptorbite · 2 points · Posted at 02:57:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
until you actually see the dude in real life, realize he is maybe 5' 7", dresses horribly, looks slightly homeless, and is not always plugged up to some mic singing. in real life, he looks like the average high school guy.
Elsie-pop · 1 points · Posted at 05:57:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not met him in person, but what you say doesn't exactly contradict my explanation. Most people swooning over him, have not met him in person.
bistrocat · 12 points · Posted at 17:29:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Women are swooning over his talent. If there are women swoonign over his looks, then I have very weird taste in men.
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 18:23:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
oops :( i think his music is meh, but he is adorable to me
tigerjaws · 4 points · Posted at 17:37:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
*talent, money and fame
wip30ut · -2 points · Posted at 20:13:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ed Sheeran rose to fame on the backs of fangirls.... there's a huge overlap in the demo between his early fans and boybands like One D. Ask any university-aged girl today in the UK and they'd freely admit they were swooning over him 5 or 6 yrs.
wip30ut · 7 points · Posted at 20:26:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
i've listened to a couple podscats & vlogs from ppl in the Industry and the general consensus is that Social Media popularity is much more important than anything for artists who want to get signed. There's a huge emphasis by A&R on your metrics and whether you have an established fanbase, on Insta, Soundcloud, youtube, snap, wherever. The music labels aren't really seeking out unique talents or even looks any more. They're seeking thirsty driven social media whores who can bring something to the table. Even someone as talented but lowkey as Khalid wouldn't have broken out if Kylie Jenner didn't share his Location on snap.
Drink-my-koolaid · 1 points · Posted at 03:18:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whoever fits in the Johnny Bravo suit.
onaneckonaspit7 · 33 points · Posted at 15:48:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or the whole story is fake
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 6 points · Posted at 18:34:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not fake - I'm a nobody but I've been friends with him since school. I'm not going to try to prove it because I don't want people figuring out who he is.
ThexTrueanon · 10 points · Posted at 16:35:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly the most likely outcome.
spinderlinder · 5 points · Posted at 17:09:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But.. But this is the interwebs.
ThexTrueanon · 1 points · Posted at 17:38:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know, who would go online just to lie!
jackandjill22 · 1 points · Posted at 05:49:15 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
No. You clearly don't understand the entertainment industry.
Brio_ · 0 points · Posted at 17:27:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but the list of people who HAVEN'T been nominated for a grammy is bigger than the list of people who have. I use my grammys for kindling. I know it doesn't make good kindling but that's how worthless they are.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:06:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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esacbw · 3 points · Posted at 01:11:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
1) Would you prefer a small percentage of people to buy your album once for £10 or would you prefer your album to be accessible by a huge audience who can listen to it an unlimited amount of times over many, many years. There's an argument for both sides of this.
2) Before streaming, if your album became 'successful', a large portion of your audience would download it for free and you'd be paid nothing. Streaming has all but eliminated piracy in music, allowing musicians to make money again.
3) Streaming services can't afford to pay any more than they are already. Spotify had a revenue of €6billion in 2016. 80% of this was wiped out by licensing fees and they made a net loss of €500m.
The statistic you're using is technically correct but misleading.
MrWnek · 4 points · Posted at 19:04:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, he's a writer. So when a song makes money, the record label is going to get the biggest cut. Then you have the artist. After that, the producer. At best, he's probably the 4th guy to get paid and it's probably a fairly low percentage.
jreddit5 · 1 points · Posted at 22:19:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whenever the song is played the songwriter will get money. With streaming, the amount they get is tiny, but with radio and other performances it’s more significant. They get a standard royalty as opposed to being the last in line in a chain of people being paid.
MrWnek · 1 points · Posted at 04:51:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My point remains that its significantly less than what the artist and label make. Granted, Id imagine if its a hit they would make decent to pretty good money.
teenlinethisisnitro · 2 points · Posted at 20:02:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have friends in bands who have been together for over a decade, releasing albums and touring all over the US, Canada, Europe and Australia. When they're not on tour, they bartend/wait tables and live with their parents.
irotsoma · 1 points · Posted at 20:57:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The problem is that the money all gets funneled to make a few big pop stars more rich and famous because that makes their recordings and performances more profitable for the record label than lots of smaller artists since the costs are lower for the few. The other artists all get shafted by creative bookkeeping and such by the labels and the royalty collection companies. One of many articles on the subject, though admittedly an emotionally charged article and a little older. There are lots of others out there, though.
Presently_Absent · 1 points · Posted at 01:35:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know someone who was nominated for a Grammy for vocal performance. He sang the hook on a really popular song.
At the time he was asked to sing he basically did it as a favour for the producer, didn't think anything of it, and basically did it for cash.
He'd still be making a tonne in royalties today if he had had even the slightest modicum of business sense and signed something. He basically made nothing from being the most iconic part of a huge hit, and he is still struggling to earn a living with music.
Master_GaryQ · 1 points · Posted at 01:14:52 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Mambo #5
Presently_Absent · 2 points · Posted at 01:24:32 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
"If you are what you say you are..."
Hate_Manifestation · 1 points · Posted at 01:46:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
What /u/zardoz_speaks_to_you failed to mention is that his friend has the worst contract lawyer on the planet.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 2 points · Posted at 01:51:23 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
People here seem to think I'm suggesting he's broke - that isn't the case. I'm not his accountant or anything, but as far as I can tell he makes a reasonable middle class-ish living off of his craft and has been doing it professionally for more than a decade. It's just that he still has to do other regular jobs to make ends meet. Per the thread subject, having a solid career in the music biz even at a pretty high level artistically and commercially doesn't equate to the kind of fame and fortune people think it does.
jackandjill22 · 1 points · Posted at 04:35:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hm
snowbird89 · 42 points · Posted at 15:28:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of a line from Blackbear (songwriter Matt Musto) that reinforces how being on stage is where the $ really is: "Before I started writing records thought this shit had a ceiling" << written after he'd made $ co-writing Boyfriend for Justin Bieber.
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 16:54:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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snowbird89 · 20 points · Posted at 17:10:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Haha good! It's been a major concern of mine... those poor millionaire record label owners :P
Quazite · 6 points · Posted at 22:34:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but labels are really becoming obsolete. Most of the stuff they used to offer you can do yourself now so it's not worth cutting your money in half if they don't even hold the keys to the music industry anymore
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 22:45:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Quazite · 2 points · Posted at 02:43:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not at all, but before you were absolutely fucked until a label has eyes on you which isn't true now. You can comfortably survive in the underground with a moderate following and if you do blow up without a label, the money will be enormous.
MissPetrova · 6 points · Posted at 23:20:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Labels aren't obsolete, it's just that the services they offer are very expensive because they don't get a whole lot of money out of it either. Nowadays, you have to pretty much let everyone in the world listen to your song for free whenever they want and hope that enough of them like you enough to pay you what is essentially a donation.
Street musicians probably make more money than the vast majority of musicians under various record labels.
But if we're being honest, that's because record owners, songwriters, labels, and musicians don't have great business acumen and still think IP like songs, images, and videos can be bought or sold the way actual products or services can. You think Disney makes all of its money from people buying tickets to fucking Moana? Lol. I can watch pretty much the whole movie whenever I want on youtube through various clips, and half the digital library nowadays is available for $8/month.
Disney will never care that I can see its movies for free once it's recouped the costs of making it. That's not where Disney makes its money.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah it sucks for musicians nowadays, probably more than ever
unless you are super big
Quazite · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're not obsolete yet but it's trending that way. And it's not like they services that they offer aren't helpful it's that you can get them easier without signing away your rights. Macklemore just rented our warner's radio division without signing anything and made thrift shop a hit overnight and had a Grammy by the end of the year. Booking agencies, publishing companies, management companies, music lawyers, ect. can all be found without giving away all of your rights beforehand. Before you just couldn't get in the door without it and now, while still hard, is doable and the ones that have done it are making more money, quicker, than those signed to majors (save the top 10 selling artist out right now that will make swimming pools of money regardless). DIY'ing shit makes you much more money and people are realizing it because you can do it and break into the mainstream now thanks to the internet. That's why unless they get more leverage, labels are going to continue to get less and less popular.
zt0wnsend · 6 points · Posted at 18:15:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Been following Matt since he did "End of the Road" with Machine Gun Kelly years ago. It's great that he's "made it" and it's cool to see people mentioning him in threads.
snowbird89 · 1 points · Posted at 19:21:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah man, he's a very talented artist.
nonthreat · 30 points · Posted at 16:08:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Conversely, I have a friend in his late 20s who's in a somewhat famous indie band (nowhere near Grammy-winning) who, through royalty checks alone, has never had a "proper" job in his life. He's not even a particularly "active" artist (last tour was ~3 years ago, last full-length record even longer). Granted he doesn't lead an extravagant life, but the point stands.
r3dm · 8 points · Posted at 22:43:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
sooooo... any tips? how are the royalty checks still coming in if they don't really promote themselves so much (touring)
PM_ME_GUITAR_PICKS · 8 points · Posted at 23:59:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Getting a presence that still plays your songs on the radio. Some bands are indie, but I just heard Minus the Bear at a coffeeshop the other day. It's an old song and was only popular in Indie circles, but that shit gets played a lot. Not that the song is shit, it's fucking great, but longevity is getting accepted by the people who will listen to it over and over again. $30K in royalties worldwide for moderately popular band that is still played on satellite and radio isn't impossible. It sure ain't easy though, or everyone would be doing it.
nonthreat · 2 points · Posted at 02:26:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's on a popular indie label, and his first record had some popular songs (popular enough that if you liked hip guitar music in the early 2010s you've definitely heard a couple of them). I didn't mention this earlier but he's the sole songwriter for the group too, so he's the only one collecting the checks. I'm sorry to say that I don't really have any tips. I'm in a far less popular band and I have to work full-time haha.
Klums2 · 25 points · Posted at 16:31:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do think there is a difference between being a songwriter and being a musician that goes on tour, though. With the creation of Spotify as well as the availability of illegal downloads, touring is definitely the primary source of income for a lot of musicians.
Orangenbluefish · 21 points · Posted at 16:28:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've read a lot that royalties from actually selling music isn't even what brings in the money for the big artists. Most of their fortune comes from playing live shows and touring, with each venue paying them a heavy booking cost. While it may not always be mega millions, I can think of a good amount artists who aren't super crazy famous that still make very fair amounts just by touring and playing shows 365 days a year, sometimes 2 shows a day.
For this reason I don't see the writers, audio engineers, composers etc. ever making big bucks unless you're in the very top handful that get huge fame off of it. Which does suck since a lot of times those are the people that do most of the work.
Quazite · 5 points · Posted at 22:37:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah while there isn't any money in royalties anymore, live Music is booming more than it ever has in history before. While Spotify and Apple Music drives royalties down, it allows EVERYONE to be a music fan, not just those that save their money for records. Plus it makes it easier to personalize music tastes so the radio isn't everyone's tastemaker, which actually helps out smaller artists a lot. You just gotta tour for your money now.
MonkeyWrench3000 · 20 points · Posted at 16:44:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, there is some research on this. The average full-time musician has roughly the average American income - with some outliers at the top income bracket.
Point is, you need to make it so far that you can actually work full time as a musician. When you spend only a couple of hours per week on your music - some hours practicing, a few gigs per year and a few recording hours in the studio - then it is rather unlikely that you earn something comparable to a full-time wage.
So it basically is a winner-takes-it-all situation: You either make it so far that you can be, say, a fully employed orchestra musician, a member of a high-in-demand band, or a full-time music teacher - or music will remain your hobby.
Source: https://musicbusinessresearch.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/money-from-music-a-study-on-musicians-revenue-in-the-u-s/
Sevnfold · 11 points · Posted at 16:07:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He should just write the theme to an incredibly successful tv show.
harimau22 · 1 points · Posted at 03:16:55 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
It still irks me that Barenaked Ladies is rolling around like Scrooge McDuck on that Big Bang Theory money.
Lord-Kek · 17 points · Posted at 16:25:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's no money in producing music but there's plenty in being in a reasonably popular cover band. If you stay domestic 60 - 80k a year isn't unimaginable.
If you go to holiday resorts and work hard you can clear over 6 figures a year doing it.
It's not my profession but have friends who have a residency in Tenerife and play back in Ireland in the off season and do pretty well out of it.
himit · 3 points · Posted at 21:53:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Huh. That's...not a bad idea.
tossme68 · 10 points · Posted at 16:35:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know a guy who was a lead in a Broadway show for a year that waits tables, you do what you have to to make money.
betteroffinbed · 3 points · Posted at 02:11:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a family member who was an ensemble dancer in a Broadway show for a few years. She now works in real estate in Manhattan. She teaches dance on the weekends...because she loves it, not because she needs the money. Hopefully your friend works at a high end restaurant and makes decent money.
seanmg · 8 points · Posted at 17:22:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This situation drives me crazy.
I don’t want to just plug my stuff, but solving this problem but educating musicians on the “new” game and organizing them into communities has been the focus of a live-streaming project I’ve been working on the for the last few years. It’s still very early but the Austin music community has really warmed up to the idea, and we’re starting to find and develop independence in the music world again. Fuck record labels.
We’re trying to teach them how to stream, how to interact with a digital audience, giving them quality audio and video recordings of their music to help promote themselves, and just bought a record cutter to try to do small batch live to record performances that we auction off to support the local music community.
WaltonGogginsTeeth · 2 points · Posted at 22:18:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is awesome. One of the (many) reasons I look up to Jason Isbell is his remaining a truly independent artist. There are so few once you get to a certain level, and I'm very much for artist's freedom as the output is usually much better.
seanmg · 2 points · Posted at 23:19:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know him! I'll check him out. It feels like that type of artist is starting to grow, and I hope it continues to grow.
WaltonGogginsTeeth · 1 points · Posted at 02:22:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's probably the best songwriter going today. Critically acclaimed Americana/Rock & Roll. Check out his album Southeastern which was his first self-released album.
Beachy5313 · 4 points · Posted at 16:09:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow. I would never expect that someone like that needed so many side jobs. That's rather sad.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 3 points · Posted at 18:39:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It hurts me that he struggles so much because he's a super nice guy with a family and is just a genius songwriter and musician.
JohnstonMR · 3 points · Posted at 19:24:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not much better for writers, I know a few who have been publishing steadily for decades, one of them quite popular, who still have financial issues and are basically lower-middle-class in income.
notthecooldad · 3 points · Posted at 18:45:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm, I’ve had a Grammy song writing winner drive me in an Uber. Super nice, talented guy, LA is just expensive
ThatBoyBlu · 13 points · Posted at 16:59:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually covered this in class recently, apparently, back when physical CDs/Vinyl etc were the primary source of music sales, for every million copies sold a songwriter would get around $45k in royalties.
Now with everything being predominantly online based, for every 1 million streams they get $35 in royalties. They've lost almost 100% of the royalties they would receive.
Prasiatko · 9 points · Posted at 18:16:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But that assumes that all those who streamed the song would have bought it otherwise.
ThatBoyBlu · 9 points · Posted at 18:23:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very true and it also doesn't take into account people who would stream a song multiple times but only buy a physical copy once. It is a flawed metric but I think it does explain for the most part why songwriters have seen such a massive fall in the income they receive royalty wise
Some3rdiShit · 3 points · Posted at 18:38:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
While still a lot less, you get about $5,000 dollars per million streams
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/05/26/band-1-million-spotify-streams-royalties/
Xenoforever · 3 points · Posted at 17:36:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've suspected this has become the case over the years. Sad to hear people who create mediums that entertain millions barely scrape by unless they are the next Bieber/T-Swift/etc
worstdamnday · -3 points · Posted at 23:42:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Eh. Why should you get millions for being part of the fake pop industry? One person throws in a beat, the other throws in a few lyrics. The label forces it into the mainstreams. The singer stands in a booth for a few hours & then a producer fixes up their voice with auto tune. this was coming when everything started getting faker.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:15:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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worstdamnday · 1 points · Posted at 00:51:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd love ti see statistics but I'd guarantee that rock music is bought a hell of a lot more than pop music. People spend absolutely tonnes on packages these days. They don't just buy the cds but they buy the shirts and vinyl and stickers than come in the 100 dollar packages. Pop music fucked itself. It doesn't have enough substance in it for people to actually pay for it. It exists by selling people as products.
seeingeyegod · 3 points · Posted at 18:00:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
so you gotta be a hot blonde? At least Lady Gaga didn't come from wealth... probably upper middle class though
giantAdele · 2 points · Posted at 19:34:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gaga went to the same prestigious school in NYC that Paris Hilton attended. I’d say she comes from a fair amount of wealth.
seeingeyegod · 3 points · Posted at 20:10:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
fair yeah but not crazy wealth like Taylor Swift or Hilton. Some parents sacrifice a lot to send their kids to expensive schools. I went to some, and knew some kids whos parents were working class they just spent a crapload on their kids tuition.
InstigatingDrunk · 3 points · Posted at 18:44:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd have to disagree. You need to take the "chance the rapper" approach and sell merch and be aggressive in having a home grown fan base. You can't rely on all these big name studios
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:50:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately, you need to sign to a label unless you want to pay for everything. Producers, features, audio engineers, tour bus, hotels, writers, photographers, etc. I have many physical albums(all hip hop) and you’d be surprised at how many people need to get paid to make an album.
ECHOxLegend · 3 points · Posted at 22:01:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
People thinking music is a free to take as you please and record companies sucking up every dime in turn certainly don't help.
RedditYeti · 1 points · Posted at 06:06:09 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Producer here! By all means, take it as you please. I earn nothing off of spotify streams and noone actually buys songs anymore. More people sharing your music that they pirated and getting the word out is thousands of times better for an artist than the $1 that we'd make off of a couple thousand listens on spotify.
ImAFuckingMooseBitch · 3 points · Posted at 01:35:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, there just isn't money in writing songs any more. I wouldn't necessarily say there's no money in the music industry right now though.
The problem for someone like your friend (a songwriter/composer) or for audio engineers (like me) is that the vast majority of the money in music right now is made from live performances. For example, many famous musicians (from pop to rap to electronic music) will make thousands of dollars per show every night. it's common for big name rappers or DJs to make $50,000 for a single show, or for big pop stars to recoup millions upon millions of dollars from their world tours.
The problem with this model is that it rewards performance, not artistry (whether it's songwriting or audio production). So unfortunately for audio guys, we have to work with a hugely successful artist in the studio or go on tour and do live sound to make a good living (or do audio work for film, games, tv, advertising, etc.).
I'm also an independent musican, so I feel for your friend. If I wanted to make a living as a musical artist, I would have to resign myself to not only making music I am satisfied with (for personal reasons, I guess if you want to sell out that is your own decision), but also work at cultivating a public image and going on tour often enough to satisfy my fanbase and make ends meet - which for many aspiring artists, means living like shit for years, touring 3-9 months a year, until you are at the point where you can comfortably tour once a year or play a couple festivals and make all the money you need.
MpVpRb · 5 points · Posted at 16:41:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My friend has written over 1000 songs. In the 70s was the leader of the highest paid and highest rated band in town that came really, really close to a record deal..
Now, he's nearly homeless
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:11:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
wat happened
MpVpRb · 3 points · Posted at 00:17:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The record company only wanted him, not the band
So he broke up the band and moved to LA
He sold one song, then the deal evaporated
He discovered how hard it was to be a working musician in LA.. the best musicians from all over the world come to LA to become stars
He got addicted to meth
He got divorced, wife took everything
He kicked meth while living in a room in my house
He has very bad health problems
So sad
One of my best and oldest (met in 1967) friends
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:33:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
y he get divorced?
yeshua1986 · 4 points · Posted at 01:38:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I imagine the meth addiction in the previous line was strongly involved.
kid_mescudi · 4 points · Posted at 16:54:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about for the larger alternative bands? Bands like foster the people, grouplove, the Neighbourhood, bands that have pretty good followings but you don't really hear on the radio. What kind of money do the y make?
darcys_beard · 3 points · Posted at 16:56:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same with writing. The world belongs to the 1% and they ain't giving it back.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:21:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I hate to be the one who asks this but how did your friend get into that? I'm pretty happy programming computers and all but I've been writing songs as a hobby for over a decade and I would kill to get that kind of work, even at a super low level of recognition.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 3 points · Posted at 18:43:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He was always a really talented songwriter even in school. Just one of those guys that had "it" and everyone could tell. While he was in college he met an up and coming artist and wrote a song for/with them which led him to other writing gigs. It was just a perfect combination of talent and luck I think.
b42thomas · 2 points · Posted at 17:44:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think there is less money in music today than 20-30 years ago, I'd argue that there is a lot more, it's just more of it is going to record labels and streaming services
ArkGamer · 1 points · Posted at 05:26:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe live music, but I don't know a single person spending more money on recorded music today than they did in the 90s.
I remember buying a $23 CD from an actual record shop for one fucking song. I was sixteen years old at the time and making $6 an hour at a pizza shop after shcool. Before tax of course.
I chose to work from 4:30-10:30pm on a Friday night instead of going out with my friends so that I'd have the privilege of being able to play Lit Up by Buck Cherry in my car whenever the fuck I wanted to hear it.
the_blind_gramber · 2 points · Posted at 18:07:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same here. And he even has a Grammy.
Made a bunch of money from that song but does have an unrelated day job to make things work.
xucipher · 2 points · Posted at 18:17:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a little bit of experience in this. The way songwriting royalties work, is you sign to a publishing company based on your merit as a writer/producer. The publishing company takes ownership of everything you write, pays you a percentage of the money (usually 50%) of your royalties, then keeps the rest. When you write a hit, the publishing company goes to the label and sells it to them for one of their artists to record and perform. Many songs have multiple songwriters/producers (producers also count as songwriters) and that 50% of the royalty pie that gets assigned to the actual creators gets divided among all of them. This leaves very little money for the individual songwriter. Also, due to the music climate, hits only get major play time for at most a year, unless its an absolute smash. This leaves songwriters with very little consistent income unless they are writing/producing major hits all the time like the heavy hitting producers.
swedishplumber · 2 points · Posted at 18:37:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But then how do these new age rappers rock their flashy lifestyles after like one song...
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:41:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Cornel-Westside · 2 points · Posted at 01:46:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shit, I didn't even know you could rent jewelry.
I guess this is why the Weeknd says none of these toys on lease.
betteroffinbed · 1 points · Posted at 02:20:28 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, a lot of that song is about cars so I just assumed that line was too.
Cornel-Westside · 2 points · Posted at 06:17:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, it's definitely about cars, but I just meant the idea that he is rich enough to actually buy the things instead of renting it is a brag. I assumed all these rappers were actually buying these things.
what_hole · 2 points · Posted at 01:16:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Coup - The Name Game
"fuck the videos with the Benzes And the cellular phones, spending hundreds like quarters The Benz is they partner's, the money's on loan, and umm... The cellular number you have reached is out of order."
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:53:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think OP is exaggerating, you can still make a decent amount after a couple hits. If your songs blow up, you get signed to a label depending on how much they think you’re worth. Also, rappers waste a lot of money and have rentals too.
But also think of how many rappers are ACTUALLY able to afford a high end lifestyle with music. Even if you say 200 people, that’s very small.
KingTalkieTiki · 1 points · Posted at 15:41:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
rented
Scullys_Stunt_Double · 2 points · Posted at 20:21:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't know if anyone else has asked but would you be comfortable revealing their name? Or saying the songs they've written?
ckpckp1994 · 2 points · Posted at 21:13:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This really crushes my dreams....now I guess I gotta keep doing my accountant job then
chx_ · 5 points · Posted at 16:07:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Uh have you seen patreon.com?
degradedchimp · 5 points · Posted at 16:50:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"There is just no money in music anymore unless you are Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga"
okay, im not a musician. but that's just not true.
the chances of getting studio time or any airplay are pretty small and there are a lot of bands/musicians to compete with. so it's unlikely that any one given band will "make it big".
but there are thousands of venues to play 2-3 hour sets at. the restaurant i used to work at would pay $500 a night for performers. it isn't an easy industry but it's totally feasible for someone to make money playing several small gigs.
i think most people just don't want to do it.
Sinsational_V · 1 points · Posted at 17:01:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or a rapper
ManiacClown · 1 points · Posted at 17:13:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How often does he get the checks?
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 1 points · Posted at 18:41:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know. From what he's told me it's very feast or famine - gets a $10k check one day then won't get anything for months and months - something about how the royalty payout system works. I don't really know that much about how the music biz works honestly.
GODWORSHIPSME · 1 points · Posted at 17:27:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The money comes from touring. He'd be better off writing for and promoting himself
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:28:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
DJing can make you some good money. I made probably like 3K doing it last year, and I'm a newbie and only get gigs occasionally doing weddings and stuff. If you market yourself well enough to make even a small name for yourself, you can make a lot. It's my life's goal lol.
wetryagain · 1 points · Posted at 19:13:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is he friends with any of those artists? Seems like you might want to pipe up about your value. edit: ...in that situation.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 2 points · Posted at 19:28:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He is I guess with some of them but I'm just friends with him and not in the music industry. Seems like the best way to lose his friendship would be to start using him to meet famous people and I value being his friend more than I value meeting some famous person for bragging rights. I just enjoy the stories vicariously
wetryagain · 2 points · Posted at 20:11:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I meant that he should use his friendship with big artists to bolster his career and pay grade! ;-) ("you," meaning anyone in that position).
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 2 points · Posted at 20:17:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh I see - duh
fyreNL · 1 points · Posted at 19:16:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I knew it was bad, but not this bad.
cheezemeister_x · 1 points · Posted at 19:18:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The money comes from performing, not from recording or writing. Notice how the price of concert tickets has risen dramatically, and that many artists tour every year, even without a new album? Yeah, that's because it's how they're making their money.
euphemism_illiterate · 1 points · Posted at 19:27:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And they own multiple non music businesses, so there's not much money for them singing wise also
alltheseUNs · 1 points · Posted at 19:47:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’d like to think the fact that he isn’t a performer plays into this. Rappers with relatively small followings can live off of performances which removes the dependency on Royalty checks. Maybe if he performed his situation wouldn’t be as dire?
DaegobahDan · 1 points · Posted at 19:53:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's significant money in touring. A lot of places that are not traditionally music venues want live music. Lower your standards and you can actually make a basic living playing music.
charlorlor · 1 points · Posted at 19:59:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of the regulars at the bank I work with is a famous composer. Worked on the soundtracks to many movies like Willy wonka, does Broadway shows all the time, and has won every award he can in his profession. Still has to take on side jobs and lessons just to be able to live
maca77aq · 1 points · Posted at 20:33:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just gonna throw this out there, but as a former DJ, something I learned wayyyyy too late was that spending the coin for a marketing campaign can really make or break your career. Has your friend tried that?
Jojobeansbreadbowl · 1 points · Posted at 16:20:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As in investing in marketing wilk help? Or hurt you?
maca77aq · 2 points · Posted at 17:15:02 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh, it helps a lot. What I realized after I stopped playing is that being skilled is valuable. But someone who’s got a lot of buzz and can pack a club or venue is even more valuable. From what I learned, putting the money into marketing your talent, rather than hoping to get noticed by someone, actually yields good return on investment.
Jojobeansbreadbowl · 1 points · Posted at 19:40:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for explaining!
BleedingAssWound · 1 points · Posted at 20:38:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Taylor Gaga is screwed.
Miss_Speller · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to do sound for the local folk-music society, and one of our performers had a bumper sticker on his car that said "Real musicians have day jobs"
Nilirai · 1 points · Posted at 20:56:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FTFY, you don't have to be Gaga or Swift to make money as a musician. You have to tour your ass off. Gone are the days of living off album sales alone.
htthdd · 1 points · Posted at 21:07:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once knew a waiter who had penned a few songs for Celine Dion, I was shocked to learn that hadn't made him an instant millionaire.
quavex · 1 points · Posted at 21:16:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's lots of money in music. Just not for the performers.
laconfidential91 · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then why do we see all the rappers on instagram with the gucci and the ice and the cars and the bands??
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 1 points · Posted at 21:41:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No idea. I guess they spend that first big royalty check on all that crap so they can show off. Or maybe it’s all fake...
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:57:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends on the rapper. If there’s a rapper doing that with 500k followers, you can assume they get paid a couple grand a show. If you have about 2 mil-4 mil followers, I’m assuming you’re popular enough to make anywhere from 20k-100k a show(70-100k being festivals).
shortfriday · 1 points · Posted at 22:20:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work next to a Sundance winning director on a truck.
Quazite · 1 points · Posted at 22:31:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's not true, it's just not in royalties. All the money is in live performance and publishing, but you have to grind REALLY hard to set it up where you can support yourself off of those things.
dpwtr · 1 points · Posted at 22:42:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's plenty of money in music, just not in songwriting.
wills_bills · 1 points · Posted at 23:05:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Video killed the radio star, and digital killed the musical star.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:15:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I know the guys in a band who have been Grammy nominated in the past 5 years, and can verify this being true. It's unbelievable how much money there isn't in music.
silverionmox · 1 points · Posted at 23:34:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There never was. At least not for the artists, much like there was no money in the gold rush for the gold diggers but plenty for the ones selling equipment and booze to the gold diggers.
worstdamnday · 1 points · Posted at 23:36:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are you sure? He might just be being ripped off. Song writers are supposed to get about 70 percent of the money from songs & therefore should make mega money off one hit.
Edit. I know a band that had one small radio hit in Aus & they all regularly got big checks. They broke up & just enjoyed their checks.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:46:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The demand for sound design appears to be growing slightly faster than the national average. This is what I'm going into, I can immerse myself in music, but my skills will be needed other places. Seminars, concert halls, anything with a speaker really. It also opens up the door for free lance work. Mixing, producing, etc.
Jojobeansbreadbowl · 1 points · Posted at 16:34:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd like to try to have a career in the near future that involves sound. That way I can use the skills i work on everday in my offtime making music to help my make money in a career, even if it's only tangentially realated. I'd love to hear more about your plan and what you do! What do you mean by sound design?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:14:40 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well I use it interchangably with audio engineering, but it's pretty much the technological side of things. Mixing and mastering tracks through a digital audio workstation, setting up studios, being the guy that sits at the sound booth during concerts and keeps the audio clear and balanced. It could also be a tech guy in music stores or the people who build things like guitar pedals like at Earth Quaker Devices (Akron Ohio shout out!)
My plan right now is to first get my general classes out of the way. I'm getting my degree in liberal arts at a community college and I hope to transfer those credits To a larger school while at the same time achieving a nice GPA so I can get better scholarships and grants.
I'm also getting a guitar instructor and just started vocal lessons. Ideally I want a nice thorough understanding of my instrument while gaining new skills. I plan on picking up piano soon too.
I've looked at Berklee College of Music in Boston for my bachelor's but I'm not sure yet. I know it sounds like I'm doing a lot here but it's so much easier than sitting around once you start, I promise.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:36:00 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I should also say the reason I'm looking specifically at music schools is so I can make connections in the industry early. Just do your research on each individual school before hand. Something like The Art Institutes is something to stay away from.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Missed a golden opportunity to share a link. But it's too late now.
kingfrito_5005 · 1 points · Posted at 00:07:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Could be worse. I have a friend who is also an amazing song writer, and just generally the most talented person I have ever met. And the last I knew, he was working at McDonalds.
esacbw · 1 points · Posted at 00:51:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like he's got a contract with a major Publisher which means he won't be receiving full royalties and most of the money will be going towards recoupment of what they've invested in him to write/record all of his tracks. His situation might change in the next few years, especially if some of the songs you mention are big enough.
You don't have to be Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift to make music your profession. They earn obscene amounts of money and there are thousands of people who make it work as a full time job.
Mandiferous · 754 points · Posted at 15:13:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nearly every professional musician (I'm talking classical music) I know teaches lessons as back up income. Most couldn't make it without it. Many teach at multiple different colleges.
fludduck · 68 points · Posted at 15:53:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I was thinking about classical musicians I know, and they seem to live /decently/ by just playing in two orchestras, playing at weddings, and teaching. The playing at weddings seemed to be a pretty decent chunk (I mostly know strings players).
thebriss · 61 points · Posted at 16:05:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My brother is a back up french horn player for the orchestra here in Ottawa and the money is actually very good.
I think 3rd horn makes around 100 000$
1st horn makes over 150 000$
Big orchestras receive ridiculous amount of donations from old white rich people.
The amount they receive in donations covers all their expenses and salaries, the ticket sales go straight to profit.
The only real bad side to this business is that you might have to do 10-15 years of auditions to maybe get a full time job in an orchestra. Its highly competitive, if you're not very very good, forget it.
tjt5055 · 44 points · Posted at 18:34:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad is a professional French horn player, too, and makes enough through the orchestra alone. Now, he'll do side projects, but that's for creative reasons rather than financial.
Phil Meyers, who was First Horn in the NY Philharmonic until very recently, and is widely considered the best in the world, was making close to $500,000.
Also, the hours that most classical musicians put in from an early age often dwarfs those of popular musicians. Those orchestra jobs are very tough to land.
thebriss · 21 points · Posted at 19:02:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially if you have one city in mind, my brother really wants to stay in Ottawa and just waits for one of the regular horn players to either die or retire lol
He's not event guaranteed to land the full time job after because orchestras love doing international auditions, so you end up competing against the world :P
But in term of salaries, classical musicians can make a living for sure.
tjt5055 · 16 points · Posted at 19:12:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah you have to be willing to move. My dad moved all the way to Europe in the 1980s in order to have a full-time gig and he's still there.
His brother subbed in the NY Phil for years and then didn't get the full-time job when it finally opened.
thebriss · 11 points · Posted at 20:00:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I dont know if you've ever heard about that but apparently there's this weird attitude in orchestras towards subs.
They see you as a sub and nothing else, and it makes it almost impossible for a sub to land a full time gig in the orchestra he subs in...
[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 20:25:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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thebriss · 7 points · Posted at 20:45:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
All the stories I hear confirm the weirdness you're talking about.
Last time my brother auditioned for third horn, the job went to an orchestra member's girlfriend.
My brother went all the way to the finals, played well and asked why he wasn't picked.
Their answer: Oh we know you, you can play better than that....
Blind audition my ass lol
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:19:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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thebriss · 2 points · Posted at 00:21:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My brother says he's sorry for you and that he's willing to bet 5$ you're talking about LA Phil hahaha
This is so common, its suppose to be impartial but people on the committee know exactly who's playing if you ever sub, they know your sound and all.
Its kinda funny, from an outsider perspective having heard many stories, I believe over 40% of orchestra jobs were obtained from direct result of one person sleeping with another lol
Jortz · 2 points · Posted at 04:54:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
While you're right, that's much easier said than done. Tanglewood and comparable music festivals are extremely competitive, and often very pricey as well
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 05:43:24 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Jortz · 2 points · Posted at 07:39:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I completely agree, this is all accurate. Festivals are often game changers for pre professional classical musicians. Supplementing a conservatory education with them in the summer is the only real way to be competitive
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 20:18:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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tjt5055 · 6 points · Posted at 21:58:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dad has been with the same Orchestra for 35 years.
He has probably taken 30 auditions over the years for other gigs, and has never landed one. He was invited to the NY Philharmonic audition this spring, but he knows he's not getting it.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 22:42:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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tjt5055 · 5 points · Posted at 02:12:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
He knows the entire section and has been recording chamber music with them for years.
It's a courtesy invite. They're looking for somebody young and up-and-coming. My dad has one foot in retirement and with his pension, is looking to take on more composing commissions actually.
fludduck · 14 points · Posted at 16:14:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The orchestras in my area aren't very big, and the general mood towards the arts here isn't very respectful.
thebriss · 14 points · Posted at 16:28:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I forgot to mention the moving part, it you audition for an orchestra position in Texas, get ready to move lol
kiloecho44 · 11 points · Posted at 20:44:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you make it into a full time orchestra you've made it . A majority of good musicians never do and have to patch things together.
thebriss · 6 points · Posted at 20:48:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but you dont have to be famous in order to make a living, most orchestra members are nobodies you wouldn't be able to recognize
Bigfrostynugs · 1 points · Posted at 14:23:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even the most famous orchestra members are still people 99% of the public wouldn't recognize.
thebriss · 1 points · Posted at 14:30:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except Charles Dutoit.... lol
Bigfrostynugs · 1 points · Posted at 14:51:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not even a little bit. I guarantee you 99% of people have no idea who he is. I can't imagine even 1 in 10 musicians would even know.
thebriss · 1 points · Posted at 15:06:12 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well he was on the front page three weeks ago in Montreal for sexual harassment so people might be able to spot him now lol
Bigfrostynugs · 1 points · Posted at 21:19:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great, so anybody who lives in Montreal, reads that newspaper, and has an excellent memory knows who he is.
That's still basically nobody.
shakejimmy · 1 points · Posted at 15:53:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're not a string player, the NFL is a more realistic goal than a full-time orchestra. Then there's the whole audition process and the issues of fairness...
dhaos1020 · 3 points · Posted at 23:09:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
String player here. It's quite wasy honestly to make a decent amount of money doing just this. This is my plan for awhile. My ex girlfriend was making a great amount of money teaching. She's also insanely good at everything. You have at be at a very high level to be "competitive".
It's not about competition in my opinion. There are avenues that have been barely explored in the music world. Anything is possible as long as you keep working.
BeastaBubbles · 12 points · Posted at 17:59:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is probably the most common side gig. Almost every music teacher I know does it in order to support their band.
trippy_grape · 4 points · Posted at 21:38:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or (if they're smart) to build up a retirement fund. Even if you land a cushy orchestra job it's still an incredibly competitive spot and you may not keep it for too long.
Hedgiwithapen · 9 points · Posted at 20:06:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My parents are classical musicians (well mom retired this last year because she has Alzheimer's) both of them taught/ teach lessons-- mom had as many as 18 students at a time. Dad has fewer private students but taught for Cal Berkeley, now teaches for Stanford, and some local elementary schools. those lessons are what keep us afloat. (and when i was a kid, it was that they scored gigs playing for Phantom of the Opera)
MasterofAstraphobia · 2 points · Posted at 21:01:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great, now I have the Phantom of the Opera theme song stuck in my head.
Hedgiwithapen · 2 points · Posted at 21:10:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
that song is one of my earliest memories. friggin Saint Sir Andrew lloyd webber. no one is ever free.
ROADHOG_IS_MY_WAIFU · 6 points · Posted at 18:56:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've got a handful of musician friends all in the same heavy metal band. All of them tend-bar in addition to performing shows.
GozerDGozerian · 7 points · Posted at 20:58:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The bars and restaurants in my area are staffed almost entirely of musicians and artists. It makes for a good creative scene though.
otis_reading · 7 points · Posted at 21:18:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Guy I know who played in a small band that gigged on weekends taught private lessons to well-off kids. He was a good guitarist. That's all he did, and I bet he made 1k+ a week.
Not a bad life. That was a few years back and I'm not sure if he's still doing the band thing or not.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 18:04:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Drummer from journey does drum workshops.
nickgrayiscool · 3 points · Posted at 07:04:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well to be fair, unless you're a drummer thats a celebrity yourself (like Quest Love, for example) you're doing workshops. Like name any band. Their drummer is doing workshops.
Michaelbama · 4 points · Posted at 19:14:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've heard even the most famous screenwriters go on unemployment in between films because... What the fuck else are they gonna do lol
alyssasaccount · 5 points · Posted at 21:57:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well that's a special case. I know a guy who, while he was breaking into the film industry as a PA, working his way up to AD, would typically work like mad for a month or two while he was on a shoot, then collect unemployment in between. It was more or less by design. He was doing fine, not uncomfortable at all. The ability to collect unemployment was intentionally part of his financial planning.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 00:45:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, freelance people in Hollywood go on unemployment between jobs pretty much as a matter of course. A lot of work is project based and you don't know when your next paycheck will be, so you get your unemployment for a few weeks and then go off when you start getting paid again.
missrex · 3 points · Posted at 23:19:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s pretty much all of Hollywood in a nutshell.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:15:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My guitar teacher goes on tours often and is in a somwhwat popular band. The only one with a lot of money in the band is the singer.
ArmaGeddon- · 1 points · Posted at 03:06:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why would that be so? Vocalists earn more money?
DocHoss · 3 points · Posted at 19:45:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm one of the rare ones who not only got to play professionally, but played in a touring group that played classical music. All my friends do exactly what you mentioned and I'm now in IT. Strange world...
Kswizzle14 · 2 points · Posted at 19:17:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Many Broadway actors and actresses do the same thing.
HotRodLincoln · 2 points · Posted at 19:51:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Starting Minimum Salaries for US Professional Symphony Orchestras 2007 - A bit outdated, but informative.
moderncanary · 1 points · Posted at 22:30:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dads a percussionist in the LA Philharmonic and it’s his full time job. Although the amount of auditions and hoops he jumped through to finally end up there sounds like it relied as much on pure luck as it did on talent. The world of classical music is the most competitive place I can think of.
Joylime · 1 points · Posted at 05:49:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Teaching is not shabby income, though. And it's actually related to your field of expertise, which is amazing. Source: Am private teacher with 25 students and 2 performance degrees.
buttchugging_nyquil · 1 points · Posted at 14:30:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd go so far as to say concert cycles are their side job/hobby. Unless you're the best of the best of the best, you ain't making shit.
Buymeagoat · 1 points · Posted at 19:18:03 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Professional classical musician here. It makes a great side income to my day job.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:16:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My guitar teacher goes on tours often and is in a somwhwat popular band. The only one with a lot of money in the band is the singer.
233034 · 1 points · Posted at 05:59:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Btw, you posted this 3 times
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 01:15:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
My guitar teacher goes on tours often and is in a somwhwat popular band. The only one with a lot of money in the band is the singer.
LexiconJF · 73 points · Posted at 15:50:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its survivorship bias, you'll only hear about the few that succeed but not the many who didn't. It's a shame because I believe there are many geniuses that is waiting to be discovered or got the shit end of the stick.
Bob-the-Rob · 22 points · Posted at 15:52:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is exactly the term I was waiting for! I think so, too. And we dont need to only look at musicians or actors. Just take a look at how many failing Let's-Play-Channels there are on YouTube.
LexiconJF · 6 points · Posted at 16:04:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's true, I was generalizing it. It happens in all field whether in arts or academia.If those people had better chances and luck the world would be a nicer place.
occams_butterknife · 1 points · Posted at 17:36:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've been a fan of let's play channels, game streams from back in the jtv days, and other youtube game channels and the biggest reason I see people fail is because they think they'll get recognized and partnered within the first year. The people that are really passionate about it will not only make content regardless if they get paid, but they'll always try to bring the best quality possible.
IthinkitsaDanny · 1 points · Posted at 20:09:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One channel or group of channels I like to think about is KYR Sp33dy & the CR3W they’ve been making videos and peaked during black ops 2 release and now they’re barely reaching 70k views, which is still a lot but not nearly what they used to get.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:37:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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The_Cuddle · 1 points · Posted at 00:34:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Channels on Youtube where people play games with commentary over them and earn money from advertising revenue or merchandise. There's a few really successful ones bringing in $1m+ in revenue per year. It sounds a little ridiculous if you're not into them, but even I've found a few I really enjoy and I'm not a gamer.
If you've heard of Pewdiepie or Achievement Hunter those would be examples
Sir_Gamma · 21 points · Posted at 16:30:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well the way I see it, when it comes to actors, I think about the sheer volume of times I’ll watch a commercial or some day-time soap opera or see a billboard on the highway. All of those things that seem to be insignificant to me had a massive number of people involved in them. So an actor that really loves their job can get low level work can likely make a small living without actually “making it”.
CalebEWrites · 1 points · Posted at 13:44:48 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve heard that around 10% of professional actors earn enough to make a living, and only 10% of that group ever makes it to mainstream TV/ movies.
So basically, the people you see on Billboards and commercials are already in the top 10%.
LockeClone · 15 points · Posted at 19:21:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They're called trust fund kids and/or the children of established artists.
There's this diversity problem in Hollywood that almost everyone really does want to do something about, but the only voices that can stick around long enough to "make it" are voices would don't have to pay their own rent. It's why all TV apartments are massive and cheap, and why characters can get fired and spend half a season finding themselves without facing homelessness.
fezzesarecool69 · 1 points · Posted at 01:57:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're describing characters, not actors. Tv apartments are big because people like to see them that way and it gives a designer more room to work with. Not to mention that fitting a camera crew into a small space is incredibly hard and limiting. People on tv can spend half a season unemployed because they're written to. Most decently successful actors work their asses off to be that way. I'm not talking about A list celebrities, but people who get steady enough work to make it their primary work. The reality is that most people in this field who fail do so because of a lack of motivation and networking. People who are not actors have a very different definition of "making it" than actors do.
Source- I'm an equity Membership Candidate who made about half of my income last year from theatre and film work, living in Oklahoma and while a full time college student.
LockeClone · 1 points · Posted at 06:16:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh kiddo, that's cute. I'm not sure if you understand how insulting you are to me and my fellow SAG actors out here in Hollywood with your ignorant little comment.
I DARE you to come to a real market with only your acting skills to pay the rent.
But hey, maybe you're right. I'm older than you, I work in these spaces you pretend to understand as an actor and a grip, I've been in this business in LA for years and I've seen soooo many people like you come here with that big ego who think they're special.
Talent and hard work are not what allows you to stay in the market and maybe one day do the thing you love full time. Those are prerequisites.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Tbh, as someone who used to think I could make it in the arts, I only ever heard about the many people who didn't make it. So I eventually gave up.
MrDrumline · 1 points · Posted at 02:02:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
With real dedication, even in an industry as competitive in music, success isn't as lofty a goal as many make it out to be. There's a few problems with the current perception people tend to have. First, "success" usually gets defined as "sell a million albums and get famous," which is the same definition of success as "get hired for the best law firm in the country" for a lawyer -- it's unrealistically high, you don't need to do all that to be successful. Then you have a mountain of self-taught musicians looking to "make it" without any intensive training or study, hoping to get by on talent and casual practice. Talent is nothing if it isn't honed, and many people who want music to be their profession don't study it like you would for any other profession, so you see a disproportionately large number of people totally failing. Finally, the big problem here is that there's many who achieve success, but the payout just isn't what it should be.
It's not super common that you see someone who is just a composer, for example. You can get your work performed by some of the biggest universities and professional orchestras in the country (which is a massive success by anyone's definition), but that's only one performance, and it'll only pay the bills for so long. So even some of the most successful ones are also performers, teachers, or have side work entirely unrelated to music. Writing more stuff like that takes time, so you have to find other income in between to stay comfortable, unless you're sufficiently big enough that composition money is all your need until your next project is done. Replace composer with performer, songwriter, and so on, it holds true across the board.
weremound · 47 points · Posted at 16:29:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This stresses me out a LOT, but if I give up, I have a 0% chance of succeeding rather than 1%.
Film major btw. I wanna be a screenwriter.
MyNameisBaronRotza · 6 points · Posted at 21:30:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bro if you don't try you're always gonna wonder "what if". You can always get an office job and grind out your 9-5 life later on. Go get that shit.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 23 points · Posted at 18:50:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hate to sound like your dad but as a middle-aged former music major, I urge you to switch degrees to something practical that you can earn a living with. You don't need a film degree to be a screenwriter. Reach for the stars, but if that doesn't pan out having a CS degree or something that will get you a job couldn't hurt.
weremound · 12 points · Posted at 01:53:03 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can't do something I'm not interested in. I physically can't. The only good grades I get are in film because I love it. I love psychology and wanted to have it as a minor, but I couldn't do it because my heart wasn't in it. I'm halfway through my third year and have never been as happy as I've been. My tuition is paid by the government these past three years, so I'm not going to waste it by paying for a degree I don't care about. ADHD sucks.
No, I don't need a film degree, but I've learned a LOT about writing while here. I've made connections. I have a job on campus because of it. Maybe I'll regret it later, but I'm happy now and that's what matters. I know it's morbid, but if this doesn't work out, I've already decided on killing myself.
Hey, let's stop the conversation here. I know you want to help, and I thank you for trying, but this is honestly giving me some very bad thoughts. But again, thank you for trying. I hope life is good for you :)
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 21 points · Posted at 02:21:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whoa whoa man - don't kill yourself please. No career success or failure is worth that. I wasn't trying to be negative just trying to give a practical perspective. Hey, if you're getting a free ride then go for it! As you said, the one important gift you get from film school is connections and relationships which will be invaluable to your career. And if things don't work out as you planned, life isn't over. My career didn't go the way I planned but I love my life and family anyway and I'm very happy.
Seriously though if you're having suicidal thoughts please seek counseling. There will always be ups and downs in any career path but none of them are worth that. Treasure your life. Be well.
weremound · 5 points · Posted at 02:27:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks, I’m working on my mental health. I’m doing my best
frankieh456 · 5 points · Posted at 02:47:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've been where you are.
Don't listen to zardoz on giving up your dream... Obviously zardoz cares more about having a "normal" life than pursuing a life in the arts, which, if you are not exubarantly successful, is massively looked down on. He needed to settle down.
Not all of us do. Some of us have something to fucking say, something to fucking share, something burning that won't let us settle.
Treasuring your life is great advice from him. Mental health is NOT the same as giving in to the lie that is the American Dream.
Do not kill yourself. You are going to die anyway. Life takes care of your death. Zardoz is going to die too, with his wife and his kids, and maybe his grandkids, but definitely his regrets.
What you need two things, my friend: Learning every goddamned thing there is about writing that you possibly can. And not just screenwriting. Aristotle. Shakespeare. Great literature. Story structure. You must be a scientist and a student and a a lover of telling stories.
The other thing is practicing what you learn. That is the only way to become better, and the only way to create a community around yourself of other filmmakers. You must write endlessly, share your work with those you respect, get lots of critical feedback, re-write, get your work produced, whether that means producing and directing it yourself or pitching it to every filmmaker you know.
You will not succeed unless you work very hard AND get yourself out there. Choosing this life means massive sacrifice. Zardoz obviously wasn't up to task, but that doesn't mean you have to be.
Ask yourself, is it worth it to be (thought of as) the scum of the world if you get to do what you love and what your heart says you must do? Or do would you rather live a regular old life, lying to yourself that it's ok that you gave up?
weremound · 4 points · Posted at 02:53:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
thank you. this is exactly how i feel. I always feel like I don't write enough, but it's okay. I'm doing my best :)
frankieh456 · 4 points · Posted at 03:06:14 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do your best, have a lot fun, don't lie to yourself or others no matter how tempting, and stay away from negative influences. Then nothing can stop you.
rainingdeath · 3 points · Posted at 08:19:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This pains me to read. :( The biggest regret of my life is that I didn't go to art school and got a computer science degree instead. I have cried over the fact that I missed out on growing and developing alongside people who share my passion, cried over the fact that I wasted so many years in an environment that made me suppress who I am.
Got a job as a game developer right out of university. But I hated programming so much. I was literally dying there, I got anorexia to cope with the stress, I went right into a burnout so quickly. Lost my job after half a year. Then got a job as a tester, which I liked a little better I guess, but had to leave after half a year as well. Got another job as a tester, but the environment at this company vs the previous one was so uninspiring to me that I got a bore-out alongside the eating disorder and burnout I already had. Eating disorder changed to bulimia, gained a lot of weight, felt even worse. A couple of months ago I called in sick. I haven't gone to work since. Obviously they're not going to extend my contract either, so I'm leaving again in two months. This work is killing me. I can't do it anymore.
I've been attempting to recover for about a year, and basically what it comes down to, is that I lost a big piece of myself choosing CS over my true passion. I now have to work to get that back, and it's really hard. I'm useless right now. I can't do anything. But after I beat this sickness, I am going to pursue illustration and comics. I feel like there's no other choice for me. I have to, or either I'm going to off myself, or my eating disorder is.
I hate that I can't get the years back I lost, I hate that I never got to experience art school, and I hate that I never got to meet all the wonderful people there. All I can do now, is choose the right path going forward. I'd rather be an illustrator and have a job on the side as, I don't know, a mail deliverer/waitress, than have a decent and secure income as a software tester or programmer.
zardoz_speaks_to_you · 1 points · Posted at 13:23:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, I guess the thing all of us can keep in mind is that it’s never too late to change course. If your job is that defeating then definitely do something else.
I’m just the flip side of the coin I suppose. I went to university for a music degree in the 90s with parents that were very supportive - everyone told me I could do whatever I set my mind to. But after graduating I discovered I had a degree that was semi-worthless and couldn’t figure out what to do, so I went to grad school and wandered aimlessly for a bit thinking I might teach - but then discovered I hated teaching and endless research and left. I ended up as a landscaper which is what I’ve been doing for the last 10 years. Working outside was great for a while but now I’m 40 and everything’s starting to hurt and I’m realizing I can’t do this into retirement. So now I’m learning Ruby on Rails at 40 hoping to land a junior dev job, probably competing with people half my age.
I don’t really regret my choices in life - they’ve made me who I am. But sometimes it sure would’ve been nice to have options when it came time to put food on the table. Getting an arts degree didn’t leave me with many options.
Whiskeygiggles · 4 points · Posted at 08:23:43 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't give up. I was also a film major. I graduated in 2004 and wrote my first feature screenplay in 2008. I'm now a full time writer/director and I've now even sold that first screenplay. It is possible. P.M me if you want. Good luck!
deadly_inhale · 6 points · Posted at 17:58:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
*shrug I dunno it seems to me that could really hurt you in the long run depending on how you define "give up".
Obviously never just abandon your passion but if you are pinning all your hopes and life on "making it" and aren't prioritizing a reasonable income generating career over what will likely only ever be a hobby you are taking a serious risk to your very survival.
Always Try, you could be the next big thing to happen but have a realistic backup plan.
RollerRagerMD · 5 points · Posted at 19:50:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If OP has no dependents then fuck it, might as well gamble on a dream. I did the opposite, and my dream wasn't even particularly lofty, I just went into a field I figured was more lucrative and challenging and prestigious (IT) than what I was interested in (criminal justice and law enforcement). The money is good, the job is stable, and I really do not enjoy it at all.
deadly_inhale · 1 points · Posted at 06:16:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nearly nobody enjoys work, the real issue is if the work is tolerable for the $ you receive in exchange. If it's not then quit. It really is that simple imo.
RollerRagerMD · 1 points · Posted at 13:31:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well yeah, and it's not intolerable, but I'd probably exchange a good chunk of it for something I abso-fucking-lutely love. So long as I'm not destitute, I can make things work.
deadly_inhale · 1 points · Posted at 15:06:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I personally suspect that the "perfect life doing something you love" is basically a Hollywood myth. Technically true for a insanely small fraction of people but not an achievable reality regardless of effort for the overwhelming majority.
RollerRagerMD · 1 points · Posted at 15:20:57 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Perfection in general is a meme. Most of us are going to be average in one or more elements of our lives. It's definitely a Hollywood myth and one that I think is deeply affecting our culture and could become a crisis. If everyone is striving for something unattainable, there's going to be a lot of disappointment and sadness.
Everything in life is about trade-offs. I know that if I do pursue one of those dreams I mentioned, I'll be sacrificing time and / or money but in turn may get higher satisfaction or a better sense of purpose. Others don't really care about that and see a job as a job, you put in your 40 hours and do what you love outside of work. That's fine too.
weremound · 6 points · Posted at 18:27:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah man, the story I’ve been writing for seven years saved my life. It’s the reason why I didn’t kill myself a while ago.
I’m not trying for some NEXT WEEK ON SEASON 8 OF GAME OF THRONES big hit. A small fandom is a-okay with me.
For me, life is about finding what you enjoy and sharing it. If I can’t do what ai love as a career, there’s no point in living. I’d rather die than be in a career I semi enjoy and write as a hobby.
rainingdeath · 3 points · Posted at 08:31:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're so inspiring. 😭 I wish I followed my dreams right away like you did. I'm making a change right now, but I've gotten into a lot of hardships before realising that a life in computer science was literally killing me. It's going to be a while before I recover from all the shit I've been dealing with. However, knowing that I will pursue illustration, comics and fan merch after recovery, is giving me hope and strength.
weremound · 2 points · Posted at 15:46:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Weird cus the other guy was saying to get a degree in computer science. Yeah. Life is about living. Not doing what you want to do isnt living.
rainingdeath · 2 points · Posted at 16:10:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, it's really easy to land a decent paying job with a CS degree. But if you're doing work 40 hours a week that makes you feel miserable, that drains you so much that you don't have energy left at the end of the day to work on your passion... Then there's not really much of a point.
whatxever · 1 points · Posted at 15:43:27 on February 22, 2018 · (Permalink)
I recently discovered several really creative people I would've never guessed were majoring in any science are CS majors. These are artsy kids who never once expressed an affinity for anything related to computers or science in the 12+ years I've known them lol. I was tempted to follow suit, seeing how successful my sister is after graduating with a CS degree not even from a school with a particularly good department and landing a great job, but I'd much rather try for something I'm actually passionate about (or at least think I am right now), yanno? And that major was brutal for my sister, a smart straight A very science-oriented student, I can't even imagine how those kids are going to deal when it starts kicking up a notch. I'd advise them to switch, but they have to make that decision for themselves so I'll support them until (or if) they decide they gotta live their lives how they want, not how they're expected to. Of course, it's possible one of them discovers a passion in the field. You never know.
Anyways, I wish you luck!!! You're just as inspiring. It's never too late to follow your dreams. I hope you recover soon!
ummsquirrels · 95 points · Posted at 15:33:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Musician here, the most common way people are earning a living in creative fields nowadays is by generating multiple streams of income. For a musician like me, this is usually some combination of teaching, performing with multiple groups, selling cd's and merch, working at a music store, touring, playing for theater shows etc. It's an extremely fulfilling way of life if you enjoy being busy, traveling to different cities, and working with all different kinds of people. The goal for me is to balance the more "jobby" type stuff (teaching, playing wedding band gigs, gigs that aren't musically fulfilling but they pay well) with creative projects that I'm really into but maybe don't add to my income very much. "Making it" is great if you're lucky, but it's more about building connections with other musicians over time that keeps you working.
chillAFsysadmin · 24 points · Posted at 16:01:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My dream since a kid has always been to tour with a band, but man it sounds exhausting as fuck and you are paid so little.
occams_butterknife · 23 points · Posted at 17:33:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is why I never look down on an artist for "selling out". If I got recognized for my music, I'd go the Kiss route and put my image on everything.
contrabille · 7 points · Posted at 22:30:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. My only jobs are music related. I teach at two to three schools at a time part time, I'm helping a guy write a musical, performing in multiple groups, and producing. I know many people like me. I think the real misconception is that you either "make it" or you don't, and have to quit music. I'm doing fine, even if my career never blows up.
sprcow · 22 points · Posted at 16:00:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh. I studied music performance in undergrad. When I graduated, the average age for landing a gig at a professional orchestra for clarinetists was like 38 or something. That's 16 years of scraping together a living playing side gigs, minor orchestras, teaching lessons, doing non-music jobs... all while flying around, taking auditions against 500 or more of the best unemployed clarinetists in the world, hoping to get the one single opening up for grabs, so you can get paid a decent but not exorbitant salary actually playing the music you studied to play.
Part of the problem is that a huge number of entry level orchestras have gone under in the past couple decades. Declining public interest, along with organizations that ceased charitable donations to the arts in the recession, sunk an awful lot of gigs that would pay performers a small, but livable, salary while they continued improving and auditioning. You're also competing globally now, rather than just regionally. All the best recordings are online, and interest in going to here a 'pretty good' orchestra is just not high enough to support anyone doing it for a living.
Somewhat more common for classical performers is to eventually land a university teaching gig, but even then you likely need at least a masters and perhaps some other performance certificate, and end up as some adjunct instructor position at some point in your 30s. I actually added a composition major partway through my degree in the hopes that it would improve my career options, but that lifestyle isn't much better.
So of course I went back and studied CS and now I'm a software developer with ample job opportunities, decent salary, and sufficient free time to play in a woodwind quintet and a community band for fun. It's no Cleveland Orchestra, but it's better than nothing.
Bob-the-Rob · 4 points · Posted at 16:04:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Congratz for having found a way to make it work for you. Thanks for sharing, interesting read!
sprcow · 6 points · Posted at 16:09:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks! I was lucky to have some opportunities to change careers. As fun as it is to be a significantly better player than the average community band member, and as much as a performance degree has enriched my life experiences, sometimes I wish I'd gotten a few less 'do what you love's and a few more 'here's some practical information about what kinds of jobs you might be able to get's. Thanks for nothing, virtually useless highschool guidance team and college career teams. =D
Kit-Carson · 1 points · Posted at 17:01:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like you could write/consult for Mozart in the Jungle.
sprcow · 1 points · Posted at 17:01:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great show!
TechnoRedneck · 49 points · Posted at 15:00:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember from class on British literature from like 1780-1830ish time period that the majority of the authors we read from didn't die with much money or make any really on writing. Most authors gain following years later
Orangebird · 20 points · Posted at 17:37:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Say you put out a book, and a few people like it. That's cool, nobody's expecting you're Harper Lee. You make a little money on it. Maybe enough to get a Starbucks frappe with all the fixings.
You put out another book. It's a little better, and more people like it. Some people like it enough to get your first book. You make money on the second book, but you also make a little more on the first book.
You put out another book. You're getting better as a writer with each book, and quite a few people like it. As before, some go back to see what other stuff you've written, and buy those. So you make money on the first, second, and third book.
With enough time you can built a bedrock of fans who appreciate your work, a portfolio of quality writing, and the effect gets stronger the more you write. This is what I'm banking on, personally.
jrizos · 8 points · Posted at 20:49:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You'd better be prepared for a really long walk down an unrewarding path, however, I do know people who have done this and have succeeded. Like, so long you might as well put reward out of the picture.
Orangebird · 9 points · Posted at 21:32:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Writing itself is the reward. Learning the business of writing is just figuring out how to do it as much as possible for the rest of my life.
I've been told every step of the way that you'll never make and money from writing, but I see that with a pinch of smarts, some guts, and a truckload of hard work, you CAN make a decent living at doing it. I live in a low cost of living area and live frugally. If I can make 40,000 dollars a year, that's comfortable for me. It'll be a while before I get to that point, and I'm definitely impatient, but I've always known it would be hard and I'm not dumb enough to assume I'll get a bestseller and life will be peaches and cream afterwards. There was a book of essays that made a splash a few months ago about how writers make a living from writing, full of bestsellers and prize winners, and most admitted that of it weren't for friends, family, and significant others, they wouldn't be able to write full time. But I also know that the Internet has opened possibilities that is supporting creative careers that wasn't possible before.
I get that I'm gunning for something near impossible. I've done my homework. Still doing it.
jrizos · 1 points · Posted at 22:28:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, would you do tons of little projects or do tech writing or whatever, or are you about sticking to novels/fiction? There is that question of what to do for supplemental income, or for income at all, and whether your writing will go into that, or whether it will be preserved for a passion project such a fiction. Other genres have better payouts, I mean.
Orangebird · 1 points · Posted at 13:30:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's the question I've been thinking about for the past few years. I have a full time job, not writing related but with some opportunities to write, and live at home. I spend about 20 hours a week writing with a stretch goal of 25, sometimes 30 if I get a good start. Whatever income I currently earn from my writing, it's not regular or substantial, but it pads my rainy day fund. This year I'm making a serious push into publishing short stories in magazine and contests in traditional markets, while looking into self-publishing for larger, longer works. I'm confident in my work-- I won awards through middle and high school and college.
As far as little projects vs big, right now my time is split between preparing short stories and articles for magazines and polishing a novel to submit to contests. I have some experience in editing and earn some money freelancing. In answer to your question. . . I'm willing to do whatever to get to the goal of being a full-time writer.
jrizos · 1 points · Posted at 15:31:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, try to pick a genre you really like. For every hour you spend writing, another should be spent reading. And try to attend conferences. Good luck.
Orangebird · 1 points · Posted at 15:47:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you. I do try to get a reading hour in every night. Do you have any conference recommendations?
jrizos · 1 points · Posted at 16:22:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's all about genre, you want to find your tribe of like-minded authors. General "Literary" fiction, I'd steer away from. So, that would mean avoiding AWP, yes. You have to write for readers, not the literati.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:49:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of published authors still have day jobs, even if it's mostly for the benefits. I was really disappointed to learn that, but it can actually be a good thing if you can find the right job.
But another thing to keep in mind is that many books never earn out their advances, which is what determines the money that comes in from each subsequent book. So if your first advance is $25,000, it may take you four years to earn that back before you start seeing royalties from that book.
Not to discourage you... plenty of people do make money, and there's no reason why you can't be one of them.
Orangebird · 1 points · Posted at 13:17:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Right. And in the end, if I don't make money, it won't be the end of the world.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:41:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The same is true for a lot of smaller musicians and well. American Football is a prime example. The released an EP and as LP during the late 90s, the members went to work on other projects, but people kept finding their music. One day a few years ago the reunited and have a pretty heavy cult following that is still growing. It's interesting.
glittercatlady · 21 points · Posted at 16:08:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I worked with a woman that is in a marginally famous band. They get some radio play, they play a lot of festivals. She works a full time job and so do all their band mates. Sometimes she takes off a month or so for touring but the band is her side gig even though they’re successful!
coltranedis · 43 points · Posted at 15:05:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is a really great documentary on the "job" of being a musician.
You're pretty much right on the money.
http://www.workseries.com/musician/
Nabilft · 35 points · Posted at 15:24:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Hired Gun" on Netflix also illustrates this from the POV of hired band musicians, pretty painful to watch if you have the dream of being a rock star I guess
FIRE_EVERYTHING · 26 points · Posted at 16:15:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It just means you want to be good at more than just an instrument. When 5 year olds can play the guitar well, there's going to be an insane amount of competition to be a hired gun. Now if you're a musician who can write great songs as well, now you're more valuable to the market and can stand out. But yeah, if you want to ONLY be known as a guitarist, you better be playing 10 hours a day and developing some kind of style that is your own if you want success.
Nabilft · 12 points · Posted at 16:19:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not enough... it's not just about talent
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 16:28:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Silver_Yuki · 8 points · Posted at 17:44:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It is about making a sound that people want to hear too. You may be able to play some instruments in different ways so that it "fits" what people want. However if you are a singer and people don't want your specific sound then it is very hard to change that. Some people just have raspy voices, others a soulful, others wispy and sweet. That is the luck of the draw, and is very hard to train to be different because of what is being demanded.
FIRE_EVERYTHING · 6 points · Posted at 16:30:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Obviously. Knowing people is a big part of the game. I'm just saying for technical proficiency alone, you'd be better off developing your writing skills as opposed to only playing an instrument/singing.
nursebad · 5 points · Posted at 19:41:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Knowing people is important. It can get you set up with an agent, an internship (to meet more people) or your first shitty job. Many of the people I know who work in creative fields and make a decent living doing so had inital help from family or friends.
But, if you want to stay in the game you need to work hard, be willing to work for very little or intermittently well into your 30s and travel for long periods with very little notice. You need a support network to do that and it helps if you have family that understand what the jobs require.
Taftimus · 3 points · Posted at 20:04:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just watched it after reading your comment and Billy Joel is an asshole.
Nabilft · 9 points · Posted at 15:27:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also "Hired gun" on Netflix, from the POV of hired musicians for GREAT bands, pretty heartbreaking actually
Bob-the-Rob · 1 points · Posted at 15:06:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks! I will definitely check that one out!
Hey_Laaady · 17 points · Posted at 15:24:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s also possible to live off being a musician for a certain time and then go back to having a day job. For example, home business or temp work, then go on the road for a few months, then come back and do temp work. Sometimes easier to do this if you have a music-related day job where they might be sympathetic as to why you want a flex schedule.
MusicalSnowflake · 2 points · Posted at 05:27:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do this. I work long term temp jobs in between touring gigs. It's kinda interesting because now I have skills in random areas and a crazy resume.
Kabada · 36 points · Posted at 15:46:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who actually believes this is common?
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 17:07:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Agreed, good discussion going on here, but would hardly characterize this as a common misconception. The term "struggling actor in LA" is incredibly cliche and well-known.
LockeClone · 0 points · Posted at 19:25:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But misunderstood...
It looks like a young person doing his best to live a dream. Murica! But we're glossing over the fact that that person is probably building more debt on top of their student loans untill an inevitable cliff that forces them to move.
Then they will spend their 30's barely making ends meet and will not be able to ever own a home or save for retirement.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:25:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why in the world would a person take out loans that aren't easy to repay to become an actor?
You can save for retirement on minimum wage. Most of the people in the world manage to save money consuming substantially less than what a minimum wage buys in LA.
LockeClone · 1 points · Posted at 06:28:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I... Don't know where to start with you... People take out loans to go to college because we're trained that that's what you do after high school. You have to pay those back even if you want to be an actor or whatever... You know this, right? People do this because people still believe that Americans are entitled to work towards becoming whatever profession they want... Freedom and such.
$1200 for a cheap studio apartment, >$3/gal of gas, $200 for utilities, $60 for internet, $300 for health insurance, $140 for other insurances... I've already busted minimum wage at 40hrs a week and I didn't include student loan repayments or business costs of being an actor (if you're arguing about that still)
Well, 78% of all Americans have debt but no savings (under $2k)... So, you must be talking about non-Americans, because if you take a look outside your bubble, things are pretty dark right now.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:21:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Here's some free business advice to all aspiring actors. Don't spend $100,000 going to college to be an actor. If this isn't obvious to you, I don't know where to start with you.
If you look outside your bubble, you might notice that things have rarely been better anywhere in the history of the world.
Seriously how do you think people in China have a net positive savings rate when they make less than people in poverty in the US adjusted for purchasing power?
How did people save money at the turn of the century when adjusted for purchasing power the poverty line today put you in the top 10% of income then. (Yes, this does include differences in the cost of housing, education, and so on).
Seriously, just for a second, really think about it hard. People illegally immigrate to the US, get abused, make less than minimum wage, and somehow afford to send money back to their loved ones? Are they magic? Is $2 an hour picking fruit in some Californian field somehow secretly more money than the $10 per hour minimum wage in California, or are you just wrong?
The American middle class loves to be told they've got it hard. This is the one bipartisan issue. Corporations need you to believe its normal to have a bunch of debt, otherwise how would they sell new cars with an average price equal to the median annual personal income? The left needs you to believe that you're impoverished because if it were easy to get rich, why do you need to vote for them?
If you're living on minimum wage and being an actor is the most important thing to you, and the second most important thing is not starving to death on the streets, you do not live alone. If you want to live alone go live in a different city.
Your income is $12/hour at the Los Angeles minimum wage or roughly $24,000 per year. You drive a beater that gets poor gas mileage, but you drive it as rare as humanly possible. You walk to work and the grocery store. The beater is for auditions only. Here's the budget breakdown based on the time I was trying to be an actor (other tip if you want to be an actor: don't suck at acting).
When I was there minimum wage was lower, but I made more than minimum wage. I only paid $350 in rent though, that room is $600 now. My health insurance was also more expensive because this was pre-obamacare. There are a lot of struggling actors out there, not all of us suck with money.
Edit: Extra per hour. It'd be awesome if your wage accelerated at $12 per hour per hour, it does not.
LockeClone · 1 points · Posted at 23:58:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You seem angry. Is it because you were an actor but you aren't quite as good at budgeting and acting as you are bragging to be? Because I'm still here friend, and I'm doing just fine. I just recognize my privilege and recognize that things are hard for people and I'm very lucky in some ways.
Things are better in most ways in the world, including los Angeles, but if it were as easy as you seem to think 99% of all the people who tried out here wouldn't fail at it, and maybe you'd still be here gracing us from atop your golden Steed of fiscal responsibility.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:35:53 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't hide behind that. Your original point was that actors could not save for retirement or own a house. They can. I did. It was hard, but it wasn't complicated.
Your evidence for this was:
I showed you why a realistic budget allowed for saving for retirement.
Bull. America despite the current administration has rarely been in a better state (hell, child poverty is at an all time low). I've never said it was easy. Anyone who attempts to go into acting on a minimum wage thinking it will be easy is a fool.
LockeClone · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:43 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Buddy, I know it's really hard to imagine that other people might have it hard when your circle isn't. If you saved money on minimum wage you are truely special. You are a beautiful snowflake in a sea of normal people who are struggling. Good for you. 78% of the people around you are unable to accomplish this with various wages. But screw them right? They should be as great as you.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:56:58 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not great, it's not complicated, it is hard. You're the one who said it was impossible to save for retirement. I've shown it isn't.
Now instead you just say it's hard. It is hard. I mean not hard compared to how the vast majority of other people in the world live. (I suppose your bubble doesn't include them?). It's harder to save money than spend money. Water is wet.
I haven't done anything special. You want to meet some special folk, I'd get out of your bubble. The one that suggests to you hopeless poverty is $12 an hour.
dpwtr · 1 points · Posted at 22:43:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Almost every newly signed musician.
SocialIssuesAhoy · 1 points · Posted at 03:28:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m a full time musician. It works for me but I constantly have to give people on reddit a reality check. Not because it’s impossible to make a living as a musician but because it’s impossible in the way that they imagine. This is usually aspiring composers who think they will be able to write and do nothing else and get by. News flash: there’s MAYBE 5 full time composers in the entire world. Out of all of the possible music careers, being a composer is the least viable. Sure you can write and you can make a little money but you will NOT be paying your bills that way.
blue58 · 51 points · Posted at 15:16:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm a full-time glass artist who has consistently made over 45k/yr for years and live in a very low COL area. (the recession was scary, but I bounced back) The catch? I designed a niche item and now am stuck repeating the same 3 items over and over and over again. I have all the freedom of a self-employed artist which makes it convenient to flexibly deal with kids, calling to resolve household issues during daytime hours, work in pajamas, but my best energy is typically used up with orders of this same product and there's not a lot left for new art.
It's ok, though. My kids will be out of the house eventually, repeating the same design has done astonishing things to my control of my medium, and I've filled my creative cup by integrating my entire life into an artpiece. That includes how I decorate the house, how I interact with others, how I choose to tread upon the planet.
P.S.-I'm going to decline saying what I sell to keep my Reddit anon. :-)
My husband is an artist too, but he mainly does commercial photography. Once again, you get to be creative but in this case some asshole is telling you the parameters. My good friend has been a musician her whole life and definitely sounds exactly like your odd-job, side-project description. It's tricky. My husband follows people on Instagram who live full-time in VW vans-VanLife culture and it's fascinating to see how they make it work. Either they support themselves by getting patreons and blogging about their life, or they plug the van in and use the table area as an office to do web or ad design. Yup, you're right. It's pretty rare to be a totally free artist.
montyberns · 12 points · Posted at 16:01:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also an artist. Everyone I know has side hustles, side jobs, or shoehorned into a niche. If you aren't teaching art, you're installing art, if you aren't installing art, you're working at a fab shop, if you aren't doing fabrication, you're digging ditches at a sculpture park. Probably half of those people are also making jewelry, or furniture or graphic design work here and there to make a little extra money. Maybe one out of a thousand working artists have a creative practice that's self sustaining and based completely on their own creative desires to make work. Even that number is probably optimistic.
MrDoood · 5 points · Posted at 15:38:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
what's the niche item?
clampy · 38 points · Posted at 15:42:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm gonna go with bongs.
WYLD_STALLYNS · 8 points · Posted at 16:33:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or dildos.
_skankhunt_4d2_ · 0 points · Posted at 17:46:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of pipes are phallical
blue58 · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wrote a pretty long response that went poof, so I'll just write a short one in its place. Not going to say what my schtick is, but I know others who found their own deal too. A guy who used to make murrini with famous peopl's faces like the Beatles and Hendrix and other drug-related icons. A woman who receives pics of people's dogs and replicates them as best she can out of glass. The bong and pipe industry is pretty saturated, but you're always seeing someone with a special look rise above the rest and become highly sought out. In the end, it all depends on whether the artist is willing to have a production line of work they're willing to make again and again. Those who refuse? No problem, but they might need to get that waitstaff job.
herbberta · 2 points · Posted at 16:27:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
tell us what you sell so we can make you more busy and buy all of them
fyreNL · 1 points · Posted at 19:23:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am going with niche erotic peripherals until proven otherwise.
blue58 · 1 points · Posted at 21:38:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Busted.
frecklesfunn · 12 points · Posted at 15:55:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you are right, my son's drum teacher plays in three bands and has another job. So we are always getting phone calls to change the lesson time.
barto5 · 24 points · Posted at 15:51:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It may be rare but it happens.
I know a girl with a passion for hula hooping. She's gone Pro, lol, and makes a very nice living.
She does festivals, parties, whatever. She's built a company that provides entertainment (jugglers, fire dancers, etc.) for events.
I respect the hell out of her for following her passion AND making a good living doing it.
Sadly, no one's been willing to pay me to sit on my couch and watch football...yet!
Muffmuncher · 2 points · Posted at 20:39:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I livestream my faps with real time computer graphics, I make decent dough
Jretribe · 11 points · Posted at 16:16:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There is a great bit on Tosh-O where he shows actors that “made-it” and then goes into who they are related to in the business.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/8ypcdy/tosh-0-so-thaaaat-s-how-they-made-it
Hey_Laaady · 2 points · Posted at 14:48:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s a great link. Totally worth watching. Same can be said for politics, music, and lots of other competitive vocations.
Mani2thaJ · 11 points · Posted at 17:05:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am one of the main actors on a Scottish sketch/comedy TV show for the BBC which has just ended its 4th series... I also work in a bank. Can confirm.
Ulldra · 9 points · Posted at 15:58:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It‘s been a while, but some time ago I was really into a band called Eluveitie. In their metal genre they are one of the bigger bands and they play a lot of shows in europe, but when I watched an interview or sth like that with the band some years ago it said that only one or two of them can do the music full time and the others had to have side jobs.
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 16:40:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am a composer for a few dozen games. The majority of you have played at least one or two of them on Steam or Xbox.
I still bartend 1-2 days a week to take the edge off, financially.
PM_AND_ILL_SING_4U · 1 points · Posted at 18:15:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How cool! I've always wanted to find a way to get into voice work (specifically singing) in video games. I perform around my town solo and in a group and have been developing my writing skills recently and it's so fulfilling having several directions to go into at any given time.
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0dOLAZaM21p
C5Jones · 1 points · Posted at 23:36:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What are a few notable ones?
rubberloves · 16 points · Posted at 16:37:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm an artist. I'm a lefthanded weirdo who failed at school .. math?.. standardized multiple choice scantron tests?.. following directions?.. vowles?
I didn't understand fractions until highschool band- one day- eureka! 3/4 = three beats out of four.
While I struggled, I have always been able to read. Somehow. That has been my lifesaver, but I completely understand people who can't. Through the powers of technology I can also spell! You would never know!
Anyways, despite all of this, my parents continuously lectured me on how I must pursue school and that I should never ever think about being an artist - or even to train in a skilled craft-profession. They themselves are fairly recent immigrants whose parents worked in factories while they both went to college and had slightly less blue collar jobs themselves (teacher and military).
I went to college. I struggled. I did finish, by changing my major from biology to art. I would convince my professors to let me make alternative projects (like a quilt for a Latin paper I think one time, it was awesome and I put more work into it than probably I would have a paper). If there was a class that included handwritten essay tests (I'm older and went to college just before laptops) I just couldn't take the class if the professor wasn't willing to look far beyond my spelling and grammar.
After college.. I knew I couldn't continue in academia. I found work in...... hands on manufacturing! Mostly I worked in an optical laboratory making prescription glasses. It kinda sucked (shitty coorporate), but I loved the craft aspect of it and I was good at it. While I worked I always continued to make art and sell it. I've had etsy shops and sold in boutiques, I've done all kinds of custom work (paintings, fabric wall hangings, quilts) that often surpassed my 40 hours a week job.
Eventually what I figured out is that the way to make $ making art is to find a craft that you can easily reproduce. People are not willing to pay for the time it takes to make a quilt. I still make them, but gifts only! People are not willing to pay for the time it takes to paint an original painting. But they will pay 20$ for a copy, a teeshirt, a sticker.
I have learned to make copies of my art, through moldmaking, through printing, through outsourcing.
The hardest thing about being an artist is the business side of it.. And I fucking never took a business class. I probably would have failed it! I can't add a column of numbers.
Anyways, my point is. I couldn't be anything but what I am. Weirdo lefthanded artist. I couldn't be successful in any other career. And there is nothing to be ashamed of about working with your hands.
dfslkjbnltalrvlxdguh · 7 points · Posted at 15:15:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even famous singers also produce or write songs for others, it's not just their stuff.
AlivebyBestialActs · 25 points · Posted at 16:57:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's partly because people don't want to pay for jack shit if you are in any of the arts.
Music? There is time spent practicing, cost of equipment, gas money, performance, and composition to name a few things. But most people only chalk it up to "oh it's a song."
Art? Time spent forming ideas, cost of materials, prototypes/sketches of said ideas, travel, time, and skill to name a few things. But most people just look at it as a sculpture, a picture, et cetera.
Dance? Do you know how much time people have to spend practicing and working out to be able to do this? This requires you to adapt your lifestyle to fit the parameters of the occupation.
There's a ludicrous amount of effort that goes into the creative fields, and the bottom line is that most people don't want to compensate for anything, despite consuming it and finding enjoyment from it. Couple this with the fact most people disregard anything that challenges their template for what qualifies as art (think of how 'modern art' has become simultaneously a meme and a derogatory term, or of any genre of music that is disregarded as 'noise', et cetera), and you get a thankless task which people working within frequently have no illusions about. It's infuriating to say the least, and while it may not be as tangibly 'helpful' as many peoples conception of what a job is, it is work nonetheless (plus, tell me how much more helpful really is an insurance banker compared to an artist). I get that money can be tight and art tends to be the first to go when that's the case, but it's gotten to the point where even when money isn't tight people don't want to pay for shit (think of political campaigns and their frequent misuse of music, or of blogs/galleries/websites wanting to show your work for 'exposure').
This isn't directed at you, I just think it needs to be said because it's not heard enough. And people can complain that this line of thinking may be entitled, but I couldn't care care less. We don't even have it anymore that if you are talented then you'll make it. People will try to screw you out of compensation even then.
So tl;dr Artists work too, so pay them accordingly! Like seriously, not even extravagantly, just enough to afford to live.
mani_mani · 16 points · Posted at 20:16:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh man, I’m a dancer and I can seriously relate to this.
People don’t understand, even if you “make it” which is usually joining a dance company. You aren’t getting paid that well anyway. You can be a soloist dancing in one of the best companies in the country and still have to work a side hustle. Meanwhile the company you dance for is making money hand over fist. The dancers are the reason shows are being sold out, yet they see a very small fraction of those ticket sales.
The board members, who most of the time haven’t stepped in a studio for years, if at all, can make almost two to three times as much as the ballerinas spending 10+ hours a day rehearsing, taking class, and etc.
Sure, you get applause at the end of a show. But applause doesn’t pay your rent. To top it off many dancers are laid off during the summer and sometimes have to audition again to get a contract with the very same company, your job is not guaranteed.
Oh and if you injure yourself from all the dancing/performing/cross training you’ve been doing, good luck. It’s not likely you have health insurance through work. And if you can’t dance for a long period of time, what use are you to them? They can easily find another dancer who would kill to have your spot.
With dance/a lot of art forms, you do it because you love it, not to make money from it. This is totally exploited. It would be outrageous for say an engineer to not be paid for a project that they spent months working on, but somehow it’s different for dancers that just performed on some work consumed by a larger audience.
I love how people scoff at art/artists all while they play video games, listen to music, go to the theatre and read books. Sorry your IT job is no more important than an artist working in their medium in the grand scheme of things.
rossimus · 9 points · Posted at 00:31:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a filmmaker who does a lot of corporate video work, this. Most people have absolutely no idea how much work can go into even a five minute video, let alone a highly produced commercial or a feature film. Everyone wants a glossy video, no one wants to pay for it.
Once did a series of promotional videos for a non profit dedicated to teaching kids about the arts, writing, theater, etc, to encourage them to pursue a career in the arts. After all the work was done, along with some non-charged extra bits, they tried to get away with only paying half (citing budget issues or some nonsense, despite that the price was negotiated and agreed upon months before). Had to threaten legal action to get the rest.
The irony of what they were doing was completely lost on them.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:16:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shout out to the idea of universal basic income! I work for a bit over min. wage, and do stuff in my free time, and that's how I like it. I like making music and art, but I feel like trying to put a price on a song/movie/painting kinda kills the whole idea of it. It's kind of a hippy idea, but art is worthless, and it should be.
Tiredofnotbeingright · 15 points · Posted at 16:35:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have the strangest experience in the world right now where I have "made it" just selling erotica as a man to women. It took me a few years, but I pay all my bills with it now and it's incredibly rewarded and fulfilling to do something I like, that creatively satisfies me, and pays all my bills while still leaving money for me.
This is my fourth project, attempt, at doing so. I've done everything from radio DJing to being a pizza boy to just straight flipping to the "Misc" section of papers when I arrived in a new city.
It's hard. You have to constantly make choices that balance your desires to get what you want now with those long term goals, you never have any assurance and it always seems like your efforts would be better spent on a traditional path.
But man, am I happier now that I've ever been at work. It pays the bills and it's me, it's a project I made, with me expressing myself and absolutely no bosses, no loans.
It was worth it.
Orangebird · 3 points · Posted at 17:42:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's awesome! I hope to be in your shoes in a few years. Maybe not in erotica though.
Chocolatepizza8 · 2 points · Posted at 10:21:53 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you have a link to your novels/work? It's on Amazon, right?
I wonder what does well-selling erotica look like.
Tiredofnotbeingright · 2 points · Posted at 11:45:05 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's actually kinda not. Here's a post from my tumblr to explain more about what I do and how I make money.
https://greyknighterotica.tumblr.com/post/170141978894/on-vacation
Chocolatepizza8 · 2 points · Posted at 14:02:24 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would it be possible to copy paste the text here? It says safe mode is on and you have to make a Tumblr account in order to be able to see the post.
chillinatredbox · 7 points · Posted at 15:50:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup.
I'm a goldsmith running my own business - in the interim between jobs I make and sell vape juice, DD for parties and run deliveries around town. I get more money at once from my art but it's everything else that keeps me floating
ciprian1564 · 6 points · Posted at 16:23:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
animator here. learning how to be a commercial artist is key to making a living as an artist. find out what studios want and cater to that.
ReadMoreWriteLess · 17 points · Posted at 15:49:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's actually the same with run-of-the-mill business success believe it or not.
Sure there are more CEOs than popular musicians but there are also WAY more people trying to be successful in that arena.
There are 500 CEO's of fortune 500 companies. There are 26 Million people working for those companies. Most started with the idea they might run the joint one day. Their odds are 1:52,000 this is almost identical to your number hitting three times in a row on a roulette wheel.
Bob-the-Rob · 12 points · Posted at 15:58:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I realize what you are saying. But surely can you make a living even if you're not that fortune 500 CEO. However, the frustrated expectations is what's similar here.
Edit: *not
lak123s · 5 points · Posted at 16:44:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldnt really say thats the same. For one a CEO itself isnt the end goal for most people in business and for many its more an occupation itself and for another its a role with turnover rather than a lifetime role.
Plenty of board and exec positions as well.
ReadMoreWriteLess · 3 points · Posted at 16:56:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not a perfect analogy agreed, but my point was the sheer number of people who start out in the corporate world with their sights set on running the place one day is huge and 99% of them will not be more than just worker bees. More people fall victim to this than do the musician trap.
I know this is anecdotal but I knows dozens and dozens of people who graduated with me and we all assumed we would be running corporations by the time we were 40. Spoiler alert: none of us are doing better than middle manager. Most of us NOW would say we don't want to make it to CEO/CFO etc but that's not what we said 20 years ago.
I don't know anyone who really tried to be a musician. I think everyone KNEW that was a one-in-a-million shot. Whereas we all thought a degree and a little elbow grease would put in the corner office one day.
rich-creamery-butter · 2 points · Posted at 20:31:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think it can, but there's a big difference between starting a successful business (extremely hard but attainable) vs. shooting for the top spot in a multi-national fortune 500 with hundreds of thousands or millions of employees. Even if you do everything perfectly in the latter case it's still a very long shot and way more subject to random chance, IMHO.
rich-creamery-butter · 1 points · Posted at 20:28:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sure but there are lots of CEOs of companies that make "only" a few tens of millions per year. Company revenue, I mean, not CEO salary. But at that point you probably can afford a low 6-figure salary as a CEO, and in most places on earth that's a very comfortable lifestyle, at least from an income standpoint.
Not to mention that to be a successful musician you are understandably limited to the music industry. A "CEO" or business owner can work in any industry.
Syrinx16 · 6 points · Posted at 17:00:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gonna try to hijack your comment here.. There is a great book that covers a lot of the issues facing artists in today's music industry with regards to money. Its called Once Upon A Time in Shaolin, a book about the Wu-Tang Clan and how/why they spent millions on producing an album, only to make one physical copy and sell it to...Martin Shkreli.
BugsHaveProtein · 11 points · Posted at 15:59:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I work in film as a freelancer. I certainly haven't "made it" yet, but I do make enough to support my rent and other expenses and there is upwards movement. Most of my friends also work in the industry and have varying degrees of pay and job security. Specifically acting, though, is usually supplemented through teaching, food service, etc.
Bob-the-Rob · 5 points · Posted at 16:02:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting! Any idea what might be some major influences on the job security? Why do you have it and some of your friends dont?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 00:57:04 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The more "creative" the job you want is, the harder it is to get. So someone who works in the film industry as a camera assistant or grip is going to find more job opportunities than someone who wants to be an actor, director, or writer.
BugsHaveProtein · 3 points · Posted at 09:52:41 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
One element is that of freelancers vs. company employees. I am able to pay rent and other expenses, but I'm unsure I'd call my job secure. As a freelancer, I still need to constantly find or get offered work. The friends who work for companies (post production houses, production companies, agencies, etc.) have a regular job. Some friends have their own LLCs as well, either to aid in their own freelancing endeavors or to set up their own production companies.
What most people say about the industry is that it's about who you know, which also applies to job security. The industry, especially when localized, is small enough that word travels fast. You will meet a vast array of people through people you've met previously, and it will hopefully snowball into a network of people that provide work for you.
Also, there are certain positions in higher demand, as u/groovyfinch mentioned in their reply. In addition to the level of creativity, there are certain positions that have no clear path to get to or exist at the beginning of the film process (i.e. producers and directors) and directing specifically requires so much work and preparation that it is difficult to work on more than one feature every year or two. These positions also have little pay starting out as it depends on who is willing to invest in a new filmmaker's vision and how much they decide to put in.
Hopefully that wasn't too long-winded an answer and sorry for the late reply!
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 13:39:09 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your reply makes me think of my early days in LA. I don't work in the industry anymore, as I've sidelined into a different type of creative work, but my husband and good friends all do. It's so true that it's a small (tiny!) world and your friends and people you work with become a very powerful network.
Good luck to you! I hope you're enjoying the journey.
BugsHaveProtein · 1 points · Posted at 19:05:09 on February 19, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm definitely enjoying the journey so far! Hoping I'm through the hardest thick of it, but you never know with freelance. I wish you success and happiness in your journey, too, and it's good that you are enjoying doing creative work in or out of the industry. :)
BugsHaveProtein · 1 points · Posted at 09:51:40 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
One element is that of freelancers vs. company employees. I am able to pay rent and other expenses, but I'm unsure I'd call my job secure. As a freelancer, I still need to constantly find or get offered work. The friends who work for companies (post production houses, production companies, agencies, etc.) have a regular job. Some friends have their own LLCs as well, either to aid in their own freelancing endeavors or to set up their own production companies.
What most people say about the industry is that it's about who you know, which also applies to job security. The industry, especially when localized, is small enough that word travels fast. You will meet a vast array of people through people you've met previously, and it will hopefully snowball into a network of people that provide work for you.
Also, there are certain positions in higher demand, as u/groovyfinch mentioned in their reply. In addition to the level of creativity, there are certain positions that have no clear path to get to or exist at the beginning of the film process (i.e. producers and directors) and directing specifically requires so much work and preparation that it is difficult to work on more than one feature every year or two. These positions also have little pay starting out as it depends on who is willing to invest in a new filmmaker's vision and how much they decide to put in.
Hopefully that wasn't too long-winded an answer and sorry for the late reply!
rybo333 · 5 points · Posted at 15:59:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would say making a living off of music is doable, if you are willing to set your ego aside. I have a friend who plays in a couple of cover bands to make his money. It allows him to play his originals in another band, which does not pay the bills.
rex_grossmans_ghost · 4 points · Posted at 05:38:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of people look at it from what I feel is not the best perspective. They think being an artist means you’re Taylor Swift or nothing. People pursuing the career and those judging them. Really it’s not about that. My friend wanted to make movies, now he works for an agency, even being around the industry is enough for him to be happy.
zentimo2 · 4 points · Posted at 16:10:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is true for the vast majority of writers, almost all of whom either pair the writing with other work or are supported by a partner/independently wealthy.
I've earned some reasonably decent chunks of money from my work, and am luckier than most, but it's a long way off any kind of living wage. It paid for a deposit on a house, but it doesn't pay for the mortgage.
kmsgars · 5 points · Posted at 17:01:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
In both music and acting fields, freelancing and teaching.
Here’s a fun statistic: in the 2015-2016 season, 41% of actors in the Actors Equity Association (the union) were considered “employed” in the field, and they worked an average of 17 weeks. Rates of pay vary based on your role and the tier level the venue operates at. At a small professional theater, the pay range was $229-$664 a week in 2015..
To get into AEA, an actor must acquire points (hours on a union production). It was 50 points to be AEA-eligible, but i believe they just lowered it to 25. Reason being that AEA points are largely acquired on touring productions—so if you work out of NYC, got your points at Alabama Shakespeare Festival, then return to NYC a union member, you can audition and be seen for many projects, but nobody in NYC will have a clue who you are or who you’ve worked with for your Equity points...so your likelihood of getting cast goes down quite a bit.
If you’re eligible and would like to join the union, there is a $1600 join fee and twice-annual dues to pay. Once you join, you’re restricted from all sorts of productions that can’t either afford AEA contracts (required minimums, required housing, breaks during rehearsals, and so forth) or can’t afford/are restricted from AEA Showcase Codes (like a guest star in the production). To qualify for health insurance, you must work a minimum of 11 weeks each season. Oh, and your dues increase depending on how much you earn from each AEA project.
I can’t speak for SAG-AFTRA (actors for film, TV, etc.) but for stage actors? Yeah...it’s incredibly rare and near impossible to make a living doing it. I know actors working Off-Broadway (second tier) doing eight shows a week who still wait tables to make up for the cash they can’t earn performing.
Edit to add sources and clarification.
kandtwedding · 8 points · Posted at 15:25:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
From what I can tell it’s true. My fiancé is in a popular Canadian band and they and many people they associate with seem to be doing pretty well for being in their late 20s/early 30s. And you’re right, most of them have multiple projects and streams of income (writing, producing, performing in a few groups etc.)
hiyatheremister · 4 points · Posted at 16:08:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is true, however, if you add teaching to this, which most musicians do, and you are good at teaching, then making a living as a musician is very very possible. Source: am musician, most of my friends are musicians.
Bob-the-Rob · 1 points · Posted at 16:12:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd have no problem counting it in. Would weaking my argument about musicians. Do you think teaching is also that common among other creative jobs, say actors?
hiyatheremister · 10 points · Posted at 16:34:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I honestly don't know because the number of actors I know is pretty small. It's definitely common among dancers, though, and a lot of visual artists I know also teach or have some kind of artistic day job that pays the bills but isn't emotionally fulfilling (e.g. directing detergent commercials by day, but making their own films by night on their own dime). There are kind of two major misconceptions that people have about people in artistic/creative professions, one on the side of the wannabe artist, the other on the side of people in non-artistic professions:
1) Lots of artists believe that if it's not emotionally/creatively fulfilling, then they are too good for it or they shouldn't have to do the work. If you're independently wealthy, have someone else to support you, or are okay living in total poverty, that's fine. But if you want to make a living and be independent, then you have to get over yourself and do some freakin' work that people will pay you for. I was really lucky in that regard because my middle school music teacher saw that there was a possibility that I wanted to be a professional musician (even before I knew it myself) and told me bluntly, "You can absolutely make a living at music, but you can't think you're above anything. You can't be above teaching music. You can't be above taking a wedding gig. You just can't be above any gig. If you think you're above it, you'll fail.** If you do the work, you can absolutely do this work." I will never forget that advice, and as I look around at my friends who successfully make livings as musicians, it's absolutely true. Humility, hard work, and hustling are key.
**Sidenote: this should not, however, be confused with not understanding your worth. Musicians are frequently underpaid for their labor because people don't understand the time, money, and effort that goes into being a good, well-prepared musician. Learning to fight for your worth is also important.
2) This second problem, on the part of non-artists, is not understanding that having numerous jobs is exactly how to make a living as an artist. If you're an artist with one job and you're making a living, congrats! You're in the minority, and you're doing great. Most of us have several jobs, and frankly, I like it that way. It means I have projects that are fulfilling in different ways (financially, creatively, etc.). But I think a lot of people expect an artist to "one day" have one job that will pay all the bills, and that's just a ridiculous expectation. Get over it. Artists who want to only do art for a living, unless they are very very lucky, are going to have multiple jobs. That's our normal.
Edited for formatting.
Bob-the-Rob · 2 points · Posted at 16:42:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Im totally that 2)-guy. And now it makes me think my comment in this askreddit is misplaced. Thanks for the insights!
hiyatheremister · 1 points · Posted at 17:25:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No prob. Honestly it's so common, I don't find it offensive. I just think both aspiring artists and non-artists need to be better educated on how to practically make a living. It's not a way of life for everyone, but it's also not really about luck unless you're trying to be a multi-millionaire.
Orangebird · 2 points · Posted at 17:46:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is really inspiring.
Havoc2_0 · 4 points · Posted at 16:19:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was by no means in a large band of any sort but when my band played shows locally usually our pay for the night would go toward gas or food money for the touring band and when we went on a small tour this last summer we pretty much broke even on gas and had to pay for our own food and lodging.
That being said I'd say it's pretty difficult to make a living off of being a performing musician
metastasis_d · 3 points · Posted at 16:54:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gone are the days where getting the right exec to hear your band's EP, then having 2 or 3 successful albums, and having a good tour or two were enough to basically set you up for life.
gg, Roadrunner Records.
ejramos · 4 points · Posted at 17:04:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bruh. I talk to people in my my state (NM) all the time who are trying to be rappers. No shit one was even homeless. Didn’t want to deviate from it for anything. I coined the phrase “don’t let pursuing your dreams get in the way of your dreams” because these guys.
dustmuff10 · 10 points · Posted at 15:59:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This.. My bands per plays on Spotify don't even break half a penny.
So if I had 5000 plays on a song in a month, after Spotify and other aggregates take their cut I'm looking at barely $5.00
If I was signed by a record label i would be getting even less
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:02:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think if you were signed to a label, they would promote it way more which could possibly make you more.
dustmuff10 · 1 points · Posted at 04:42:01 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
True but then that's one more entity taking a piece of the money pie
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 04:45:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There’s a saying....a medium bite sized of the watermelon or a whole grape?
If that makes sense
ekcunni · 7 points · Posted at 16:26:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Depends. A former roommate of mine is a successful artist, and supports himself (and for awhile his girlfriend who was in grad school) solely off his art. Many of his friends/acquaintances are in a similar boat.
That said, he does a TON of work that isn't creating art but is in service of his art career, like networking, attending poster festivals, participating in forums online about his craft, etc. and a lot of people don't do or aren't good at that side of being a working artist. I have a feeling that plays a pretty big role in whether one can make a viable career out of it. I know plenty of artists and musicians who just want to make art or play music and get paid for it, and living with Successful Artist made me realize how much more than just creating good art or music is involved.
Sykes92 · 8 points · Posted at 16:04:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're in the music business to become rich, look for another job. It's very attainable to be able to live off music, somewhat frugally. But to thrive off music is a privilege for the top 1% of mainstream artists.
Lady_Asteria · 3 points · Posted at 16:06:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm almost alot of Dutch singers who make tradiotional "Dutch Folk Music" have second jobs at hand. Even tho they have had multiply cd's released, contracts with labels and other stuff.
But for the big names in Holland they do only live of music, while almost all of them started to vlog to gain a bigger audience.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:22:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Bob-the-Rob · 2 points · Posted at 16:23:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good input! Thanks for sharing! So in essence, you need to get creative on gow to use your creativity
MintyFreshBreathYo · 3 points · Posted at 17:00:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work in the music industry as a recording engineer and songwriter. Had a publishing contract and everything. I made a good living but had to work close to 80 very stressful hours a week to do so. Plus it wasn’t uncommon to be busy for a month or so then have no work for a weeks on end. I now work a 40 hour a week factory job. I am much happier. I don’t have to worry about when my next paycheck is coming in anymore.
sadowsentry · 2 points · Posted at 16:24:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is actually the opposite for me. I used to believe that only the people you see in Hollywood were able to make a living through acting. Everyone else had to maintain a "real job" as a primary source of income. I didn't know there were people who aren't known on an international level who could make a living performing their art of choice.
hononononoh · 2 points · Posted at 16:26:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd make that any kind of artist or entertainer. The ones who can live off it got incredibly lucky. And even of those who get so lucky, many of them end up broke again after their flash in the pan is over. Do something creative, artistic, entertaining, or athletic for your own well being and growth and because you love it, not because you can't wait to quit your day job.
TheLittleSpook · 2 points · Posted at 18:50:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am a full time singer/instrumentalist. I just got lucky that I do this and nothing else. Found the right job at the right time (right after I graduated) along with being female and not horribly ugly. MANY friends I know get steady work (most of my friends are musical theatre performers, which is what I went to school for), but they have to travel all over gods creation and don’t get paid enough. They usually burn out by their late twenties. I also think I can take more risks than others I know who are creative types, because I am married to someone with a steadier career.
My opinion is actually that you can make a living doing this stuff and it’s not that unusual. It’s making the big bucks and not burning out that’s tricky.
badfishruca · 3 points · Posted at 16:10:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a friend who is a songwriter and splits his time performing his personal stuff and a Maroon 5 cover band. He has two homes in towns about 200 miles apart and plays in both towns frequently. He also hosts open mics around my town and works with the downtown partnership to book artists for the summertime months. He manages a studio space for bands that want to record and provides equipment. As far as I know, he’s diversified himself so much that he doesn’t have to work a regular job, he’s always on his own time, and he’s about 24, I believe. It’s fkn inspirational.
Sandpit_RMA · 105 points · Posted at 15:11:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Broadband internet in rural areas of U.S.
paperslacker · 9 points · Posted at 19:45:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm. Worked for Frontier Internet. Holy moley the amount of accounts I saw that read “Highest available speed in this area: 1m”
“So, how much would it cost to upgrade speeds?”
“Yeah...about that...”
Sandpit_RMA · 7 points · Posted at 19:56:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea it's ridiculous. Most people are stuck with either dsl or Wi-Fi hotspot if they can even get reception.
Chicken_Pine · 4 points · Posted at 20:05:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh, I'm stuck w this. But mine is 2m. I live along a scenic highway so its even harder for them to install anything better... We've had to have many petitions signed for them to consider my neighborhood. But after years of work, we will be getting high speed... In a year.
paperslacker · 2 points · Posted at 20:09:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wouldn’t count on it, sorry to say. And if you do get the high speed, I promise you they’ll jack up the prices, especially if it’s all that’s available in the area. Hell, even certain special features they’ll only offer them in competitions areas because in leader areas they have this mindset of “well, we have them by the balls anyways”. It’s horrible.
Chicken_Pine · 1 points · Posted at 20:16:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup, I'm sure it won't come. A year ago they said it would be another year.
banshiru · 21269 points · Posted at 15:04:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are only 13 advertising blimps in use around the world, yet it's so common to see them when there's a football game!
Edit: for those asking for a source, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blimp under "Use". there's also a blog post by one of the companies that owns a lot of these blimps (Van Wagner Airship) that says so.
Livnontheedge · 6193 points · Posted at 15:09:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is there more than one Goodyear Blimp? Bc I’ve seen that thing several times through my life, all throughout the country
iamtehstig · 4556 points · Posted at 15:27:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe Goodyear operates two.
TRHess · 4892 points · Posted at 17:09:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Goodyear Blimp once almost crashed into our deer camp. We never even found out what it was doing there, the place is 20 miles from even the nearest highway, 50 miles from the nearest major city in Pennsylvania. My grandparents and I were sitting in the kitchen eating lunch, and the whole camp started to shake. We go outside, not knowing what it was, and the goddamn Goodyear Blimp is floating 30 feet above the cabin. It hovered there for a good minute, picked up altitude, and went on its way.
One of the damnedest things I've ever seen.
FR05TY14 · 3896 points · Posted at 17:52:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You were about to be abducted by the Goodyear aliens.
Konkey_Dong_Country · 206 points · Posted at 18:14:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I too have seen the Goodyear Blimp in remote locations across Pennsylvania, specifically, closer to Williamsport!
StuStutterKing · 72 points · Posted at 18:29:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm from Akron OH.
I see the blimp at least once a week. It's weird watching it land
Aanon89 · 40 points · Posted at 19:50:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When it hovers like that above your house and doesn't land it's because the operators brought someone they are trying to impress. They got distracted by the sex they started having and the autopilot took action to stop from crashing into your house.
/s
Edit: that's also why it was above your house for about a minute
Konkey_Dong_Country · 34 points · Posted at 22:09:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great, now I've added an item to my bucket list. #486: Get a blimpjob.
valiantfreak · 29 points · Posted at 22:48:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can join the 30 foot high club
Konkey_Dong_Country · 2 points · Posted at 23:09:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about 69?
SixSpeedDriver · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't that just getting head on the third floor of your house?
Master_GaryQ · 3 points · Posted at 04:55:45 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Better than a blumpkin
ninainvestigations · 12 points · Posted at 21:45:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually went on the Goodyear Blimp in Green Bay like 15 years ago. My dad helped them out at his job and we got to go up. It was pretty awesome.
Xamry14 · 14 points · Posted at 01:06:44 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I always wondered why blimps never took off. Not as a mode of transportation, I think of them more like a sky yacht. They can just hover and it would be a place for novelty parties. Like a yacht party, just in the sky.
PoeLawGenerator · 11 points · Posted at 01:24:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Man, that sounds really cool. You could have New Year parties on them and watch the fireworks!
PoiLethe · 1 points · Posted at 05:00:20 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can be part of the fireworks! Look at all those descending sparks!
Nikki_9D · 10 points · Posted at 02:07:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm now legitimately angry that rich people haven't made those a thing
dariasfriendjane · 5 points · Posted at 02:50:50 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like on Doctor Who, (Although, that didn't end well. That might not be the best example.)
HakerDemon · 17 points · Posted at 18:30:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's because they used to have it at the little league world series every year.
LanceTheYordle · 8 points · Posted at 20:27:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm sensing a conspiracy theory coming from this goodyear blimp.
szabojm11 · 5 points · Posted at 03:33:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Omg another soul who had been to Williamsport on reddit, my life is complete
Konkey_Dong_Country · 3 points · Posted at 06:56:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol! I drive through there often when I'm visiting in York.
mcmahonem1 · 4 points · Posted at 21:49:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm. Am in Williamsport, do see Goodyear blimp every year around the Little League World Series.
Konkey_Dong_Country · 3 points · Posted at 22:10:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah, the LLWS! That makes total sense then. Big enough event that I could see GY sponsoring it in blimp-sized proportions.
PMmeDBZpics · 1 points · Posted at 03:35:46 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was sad last year when we didn’t get to see it. I wonder if it will be fixed by this summer?
PoiLethe · 2 points · Posted at 04:59:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
See that's how the government can spy on us. "Oh yooouuuu! Goodyear blimp what are you doing up there you incompetent fool of an air machine?!" And really it's the government just spying on everyone under the cover of an ad.
Also this has to be aliens...an almost accident with a deer? In a rural area? And an identified flying object? The aliens just got good at appearing local.
69this · 1 points · Posted at 03:15:09 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's always there during the Little League World Series so that would make sense
Jay_Louis · 26 points · Posted at 18:14:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
E.T.: The Extra Tred
LaTraLaTrill · 27 points · Posted at 19:49:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah, now here we have the elusive blimp. Now watch as it attempts to quietly stalk and catch it's pray. As you can see it is slowly descending. But the sensitive human ears have heard it and they are rushing out. If the blimp isn't careful it may get poked with their little pitchforks. The blimp is admitting defeat and is floating away. Oh well. Another day perhaps.
Slinkwyde · 3 points · Posted at 03:15:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
*its (possessive, not "it is")
*prey
DrKpuffy · 15 points · Posted at 18:37:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
is it the Goodyear or Badyear aliens that do the anal probing?
librlman · 6 points · Posted at 20:19:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For one out of ten abductees, it's a Goodyear.
Troaweymon42 · 5 points · Posted at 23:30:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
30 Helens agree...
MannyTostado18 · 3 points · Posted at 20:23:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Badyear, the Goodyear ones just check your scrotum tread.
JackBinimbul · 9 points · Posted at 20:16:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be great if aliens assumed the Goodyear blimp was some sort of benign presence to humans (like how it just constantly hovers around games) so they thought it would be brilliant to use its likeness to passively watch us?
TRHess · 3 points · Posted at 01:22:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would honestly never question its presence. Unless it was like constantly floating above my property.
McRedditerFace · 5 points · Posted at 18:24:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did they give you one of those axle probes?
Shloppins · 5 points · Posted at 19:04:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
At least they'd have rubbers
GolfIsWhyImBroke · 4 points · Posted at 19:18:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The ship gave me a message, it said I was going to have “a good year”
Pezdrake · 7 points · Posted at 18:24:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Had it been 2am this would be a close encounter anecdote.
Creative_Reddit_Name · 3 points · Posted at 18:36:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Dad, I'm tired of getting abducted"
Ohfuckwhatsup · 3 points · Posted at 19:19:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Aw man I just realized that was a bad year. Stupid aliens.
themcjizzler · 3 points · Posted at 20:15:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That would actually be pretty amazing cover for an alien wanting to do slow, overhead reconaisance
northrupthebandgeek · 3 points · Posted at 21:47:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure this is literally the plot to Escanaba In Da Moonlight, minus the Goodyear part.
valiantfreak · 3 points · Posted at 22:47:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Bloody hell Zrkon, you said this was a "discrete location"! Look, a fucking cabin. Do you see that? Right below us? Christ, it's cock-ups like this that will expose the entire program!
Quick, activate the cloaking device. Go with the airship one that the earthlings use over their silly ball-throwing games"
Troaweymon42 · 1 points · Posted at 23:31:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
*discreet
Edit: I suppose it's also a discrete location in time and space but I'm a spelling Nazi and I don't think that was the original intended use.
nikesoccer4 · 2 points · Posted at 20:44:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Alien ship assumed the form of the Goodyear blimp
Troaweymon42 · 2 points · Posted at 23:31:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Checks out with me.
GetTheLedPaintOut · 1 points · Posted at 18:30:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No. The worst.
thisiscoolyeah · 1 points · Posted at 19:39:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Oh shit, nope, they saw us!"
cmdpietz · 1 points · Posted at 20:19:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Somebody give this man gold.
WhosVenom · 1 points · Posted at 20:33:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It wouldn't be a Goodyear if he did
Essexal · 1 points · Posted at 21:57:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And your anus stretched into a 235/35 R19 Y
imaloony8 · 1 points · Posted at 22:12:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Buzz Goodyear?
Sunuvamonkeyfiver · 1 points · Posted at 22:27:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Starts at 1:04
zberry97 · 1 points · Posted at 22:39:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except they would have gotten TIRED of them
PM_ME_UR_HEDGEHOGS · 1 points · Posted at 22:43:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's no blimp... it's a space station!
Rallye_Man340 · 1 points · Posted at 23:34:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fortunately they were too tired to do any abducting
Parsley_Sage · 1 points · Posted at 23:42:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damnit Klaatu! They're going to see us!
Activate the Chameleon circuit!
codefreak8 · 1 points · Posted at 23:47:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The truth is out there.
rogert2 · 1 points · Posted at 00:16:51 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
The probing isn't so bad, but it's pretty brutal when they check your air pressure.
Gamer1283454 · 1 points · Posted at 00:51:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They came from Area 51 PSI
Ralphusthegreatus · 1 points · Posted at 01:32:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Better than the Badyear aliens.
SatoshiAR · 1 points · Posted at 01:59:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/tiresaretheenemy
Master_GaryQ · 1 points · Posted at 04:55:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
At least they wear rubbers
etheran123 · 48 points · Posted at 17:54:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably training. Don't want to do that close to a high population area. One time (not really related) I saw a blimp training for high wind in a storm. It's crazy how they just float around, as blimps do, so any sort of wind can send them flying in a random direction.
[deleted] · 119 points · Posted at 17:51:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
lol what the hell thats so trippy
NachoStamps · 124 points · Posted at 17:57:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blimp accidents happen.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girl dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
decaxon · 34 points · Posted at 18:01:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goodyear?
Plasmodicum · 27 points · Posted at 18:40:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, the worst.
NachoStamps · 9 points · Posted at 18:14:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dammit. Stole my punchline.
What kind of straight-man are you?
Edit: Rats. You editted your commemt to give me my chance for glory, but someone else got it first (stupid work, always keeping me off reddit.) Thanks for trying.
AlifeofSimileS · 3 points · Posted at 20:37:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
yep, happened to me 3 times so far...
gnatspiss · 2 points · Posted at 22:01:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9WEW2o8FA
everybody needs to get a blimp
Powered_by_JetA · 1 points · Posted at 21:28:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn’t this the plot of Black Sunday?
Matrix_V · 1 points · Posted at 21:29:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Gotta hate it when that happens.
sup_mello · 70 points · Posted at 18:02:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just spit out my coffee reading this. Can you imagine camping in the woods and you just look up and its the Goodyear Blimp?
Fight_or_Flight_Club · 19 points · Posted at 18:10:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had to picture it after this comment and I went from usual scrolling face (neutral/somber) to needing to put my phone down and laugh for a bit
Apparently_Coherent · 3 points · Posted at 22:39:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your username just made me think of the blimp as an enemy wanting to fight. Then it realizes it's no match for you and flies away.
FlyingTortoise_ · 19 points · Posted at 17:53:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's fucking rowdy
Deeker13 · 4 points · Posted at 17:55:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Raunchy
SolarSailor46 · 9 points · Posted at 18:22:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Randy
TRHess · 6 points · Posted at 18:34:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bobandy
SolarSailor46 · 3 points · Posted at 18:38:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Banana fana
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 18:37:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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TRHess · 11 points · Posted at 18:39:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Camp's in the northern end of Jefferson County.
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 18:49:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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K_cutt08 · 1 points · Posted at 22:36:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you think maybe a runaway gust of wind pushed it over to his deer camp?
I'm just impressed you two have figured this out, such a small world right here.
WontDieIn_A_Hospital · 1 points · Posted at 22:47:19 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m no pilot so I can’t say for sure. It’s possible but I doubt it. The thing is huge and loud so it can appear to be a lot lower than it really is. That coupled with the fact that it normally flies quite low in rural areas.
It did crash into a bunch of trees on my street when I was a kid though so it’s definitely possible.
flanders427 · 2 points · Posted at 22:10:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to live near there and would see it fly up to Cleveland a bunch
5-4-3-2-1-bang · 9 points · Posted at 17:55:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You were hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh! /s
VediusPollio · 27 points · Posted at 18:01:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think that was a blimp.
Aliens are known to frequent remote areas like deer camps; Goodyear blimps are generally not found near deer camps.
Have you experienced any odd dreams or flashbacks since the encounter? Do you often wet the bed? Did you get pregnant?
TRHess · 38 points · Posted at 18:37:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Several odd dreams. In each one, I'm compelled to buy tires.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 20:19:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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VediusPollio · 1 points · Posted at 22:30:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This case goes deeper than I realized. I'd better not dig anymore here.
GoTaW · 2 points · Posted at 21:34:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
*ass pregnant
Toytacoman · 9 points · Posted at 18:00:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
...and we’ve never seen grandpa since
TRHess · 4 points · Posted at 18:37:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We're lucky Pap didn't try to shoot the thing down.
zdakat · 8 points · Posted at 18:22:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol. Sounds like one of those stories you can tell people, "you're never going to believe this- last night the Goodyear blimp landed on our camp and then flew away"
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 18:11:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ladies and gentlemen there is a rogue Goodyear blimp pilot on the loose inside this airspace. And he’s also on the loose inside this country.
BlairWelch · 5 points · Posted at 18:34:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work in Westminster Maryland right next to PA and there was an airport there that the Goodyear blimp would land/launch at. So maybe it was passing through from there?
Mazon_Del · 5 points · Posted at 21:11:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once read somewhere that when the Goodyear Blimp goes out, each time it receives an average of about four bullet holes from people that think "Oh, I wonder if I can hit that. Probably not, but it would be fun to try.".
RosesInTheHospital · 4 points · Posted at 18:11:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That would have been a badyear
TRHess · 6 points · Posted at 18:28:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would have been a greatyear what with the settlement we'd have gotten from Goodyear.
GivesNoShts · 1 points · Posted at 18:45:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Everybody that works for Goodyear has gotten a settlement so that theory checks out.
CreepyPhotographer · 4 points · Posted at 18:16:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was either the Red Baron (mistaking it for Snoopy's blimp) or the Michellin man up to no good
FluffyPhoenix · 3 points · Posted at 18:36:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This tier of nonsense is normal for PA.
TRHess · 3 points · Posted at 18:41:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love my state.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 21:04:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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eminems_ghostwriter · 1 points · Posted at 01:58:32 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Ice Cubes a pimp."
fish_whisperer · 3 points · Posted at 18:15:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sounds like blimp pilot training
ky1e0 · 3 points · Posted at 18:17:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
cadillac452 · 3 points · Posted at 19:03:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Definition of damnedest : utmost, best —used chiefly in the phrase do one's damnedest
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/damnedest
edrmeow · 3 points · Posted at 18:36:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They fly those blimps from one place to another. When I was in college I just looked up randomly, and there was the Goodyear blimp passing by. There was no event going on anytime soon, but we were on about a straight line between a couple cities with major league sports teams. They're basically silent if you're a decent distance away, so there's a chance the good year blimp has passed over your city a few times, and if you never looked up you'd have no idea.
cowboyjosh2010 · 3 points · Posted at 18:47:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Were you in the northeast part of the state, maybe around Pocono, and was it during early June or August? Could have been there for a NASCAR race weekend.
TRHess · 2 points · Posted at 01:30:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope, western side of the state.
cowboyjosh2010 · 1 points · Posted at 02:00:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ya got me, then.
derRobn · 3 points · Posted at 20:56:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very near to my hometown in Germany, 4 or 5 years ago a Goodyear blimp caught fire and crashed... The pilot sacrificed his own live to rescue the journalist who was on board for an article. Truly heroic, but we were all quite in shock after some saw the blimp in flames after it hovered in the sky for a few days
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:49:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What the fuck!!!! I live in rural WV, closest neighbor a mile away. The fucking Goodyear blimp flew directly over our house so close one morning it shook the entire house and woke everyone up, knocking things off shelves even. What. The. Fuck.
TRHess · 4 points · Posted at 01:18:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
We should make a subreddit for close encounters with the Goodyear Blimp.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is just... odd? Like why is this occurring even a thing? It was so close we thought it was going to crash into our house/farm.
ArrrGaming · 3 points · Posted at 22:32:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow! The closest I got to that was one day my dog starts losing her mind barking in the back yard. She was a pit bull and they don't usually bark that much. I get up to go see what's going on and to my surprise she's looking into the sky. About 75 feet above us is a hot air balloon. It had blown off course from Del Mar (Southern California). It didn't land, and kept on going. That was the last I saw of it. I can only imagine the giant Goodyear Blimp instead.
PM_ME_UR_REDDIT_GOLD · 3 points · Posted at 23:03:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That makes me think of a question I never knew I had: How do they get the Goodyear blimp from site to site? My immediate thought is "they fly it, duh" but do they, or do they break it down and pack it onto trucks?
edit: As best as I can tell from a whole 5 minutes of internet research is that "they fly it, duh", so that's probably why it was over your camp. Going from place to place
Wabertzzo · 2 points · Posted at 18:22:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was the goddam loch Ness monstah!
hilarymeggin · 2 points · Posted at 18:45:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Strange that it made your whole cabin shake when it’s only a few inches long.
GullibleGilbert · 2 points · Posted at 18:47:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe they were loking for a place to - and here it comes - re TIRE.
Still got it!
cgorange · 2 points · Posted at 18:55:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That Goodyear blimp is docked in Akron, OH. If you take your location in PA and draw an extended straight line to Akron, you can figure out where it was coming from or going to.
Lobster70 · 2 points · Posted at 20:12:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But on the plus side all your vehicles were found to have brand-new tires! Even the bikes.
TRHess · 1 points · Posted at 01:34:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Honestly, if Goodyear did some kind of promotion where they gave me a free new set of tires, I'd be a customer for life.
msr34 · 2 points · Posted at 20:19:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Best bet would be Penn State game
veleros · 1 points · Posted at 05:09:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly what I was thinking
DatGrapefruitBoi · 2 points · Posted at 20:43:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have fond memories as a kid passing by the GY blimp when it docked at the north east Philly airport off grant and academy
EuropaStation · 2 points · Posted at 20:44:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is officially the best comment I've read on this site.
TRHess · 1 points · Posted at 01:35:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you!
librariansguy · 2 points · Posted at 21:54:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Please make this a story you weave into random threads like the guy whose dad beat him with jumper cables or Mankind vs The Undertaker!
Edit: jumper cables
WhatAboutDubs · 2 points · Posted at 22:27:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Some guy probably had his wang out the window relieving himself from 30 feet up
GoBuffaloes · 6 points · Posted at 18:12:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is one of those stories that is just too weird to be made up. That said, half way through I found myself bracing for mankind throwing the undertaker off the hell in a cell in 19xx haha.
TRHess · 3 points · Posted at 18:38:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Almost mistaken for u/shittymorph, now that's a compliment.
Geo_Music · 4 points · Posted at 18:20:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is an amazing story
thebeardedbrownguy · 1 points · Posted at 19:59:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For generations, hundreds of millions of sports fans have seen the iconic Goodyear blimp hanging out above stadiums across the nation. Ever wonder how the thing actually flies? This 192-foot-long aircraft is a machine with its own set of rules. It's very different from an airplane. For one, obviously, it has no wings. Two, it typically flies about 1,500 feet above the ground. Compare that with New York's Chrysler building, which towers about 1,050 feet high. And another thing: Goodyear's blimps move ... very ... slowly. They max out at about 53 mph but usually they cruise at a conservative 35 mph. I remember when i was younger looking at the blimp on tv and I was eating my cereal and my mother farted beside me and it blew my fruit loops off my spoon.
thelustyargonian · 2 points · Posted at 01:18:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Toot loops.
ponyboy414 · 1 points · Posted at 18:24:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you went into that family guy episode for a sec then came back to this dimension.
TRHess · 1 points · Posted at 18:41:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wish I could have caught some of that welfare fraud money then.
TG690 · 1 points · Posted at 18:38:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Definitely read this in Chef’s Dad’s voice. “Well it was about that time I realized this Girl Scout was the goddamn Goodyear blimp”
Redfive9188 · 1 points · Posted at 18:40:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I bet that gets tiresome
thespacemauriceoflov · 1 points · Posted at 18:40:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably in transit.
fishnjim · 1 points · Posted at 19:01:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've seen it on two different accounts- more likely going from one event to another-
pikk · 1 points · Posted at 19:14:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably going from one stadium to the next by the most direct route.
If they were flying from Detroit or Cleveland to New York, Philly, Baltimore, or even Boston, that'd take them over some pretty empty parts of Pennsylvania
ShartsAndMinds · 1 points · Posted at 19:23:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They must have an insane advertising budget if they flew out there just to make 3 people out in the woods aware of their product.
Reminds me of this Onion article
RealMcGonzo · 1 points · Posted at 19:26:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One day I shot a deer from our blimp. Man, recovering that kill was tough!
chuk2015 · 1 points · Posted at 19:32:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is that when you realised it was the damn Loch Ness Monster trying to take your three giddy?
chuk2015 · 1 points · Posted at 19:33:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is that when you realised it was the damn Loch Ness Monster trying to take your three giddy?
guttata · 1 points · Posted at 19:40:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They operate two blimps, and one operates out of the Akron-Canton area. I'd bet good money they were flying the Akron blimp to a sporting event - is your camp in a line, more or less, as the crow flies between Akron and any major metro?
winkylinksdotcom · 1 points · Posted at 19:57:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Was this in SW PA about 5 years ago? I think that ended up being a really top secret "weather" balloon crashlanding
Poden_Row · 1 points · Posted at 20:07:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was at my grandparents house in the middle of nowhere. I could hear something that sounded kind of like a plane, but could not see it. When it finally came into view it was an Outback Steakhouse blimp. I had forgotten about it until I saw this post.
Faiths_got_fangs · 1 points · Posted at 20:16:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It did something similar passing over the horse barn I kept my horse at during high school. I was riding at the time. Spooked the hell out of the horse and about landed my ass in the dirt.
I grew up on the Gulf coast and it was on its way to spring break.
Wolfdog987 · 1 points · Posted at 20:21:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in PA too, and a few years ago, we saw the Goodyear blimp fly over our house, I was pretty little, and I don't remember it well, but I know that it happened
TheSexyPlatapus · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It parks in Suffield, OH which is about 70 miles west from the PA/OH border.
SlurmzMckinley · 1 points · Posted at 21:00:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not that it's normal to almost have an airship land on your camp, but Goodyear docks airships near Akron, Ohio. It's likely it was traveling to or from that base.
studiosupport · 1 points · Posted at 21:03:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
30 feet lower and it most assuredly wouldn't have been a good year.
havoksmr · 1 points · Posted at 21:07:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably flying out of Akron Ohio to an event in PA or NY.
Enexia · 1 points · Posted at 21:15:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
they just wanted you tell you to have a Goodyear
RpTheHotrod · 1 points · Posted at 21:19:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Looks like that was very close to being a bad year.
hard-puncher · 1 points · Posted at 21:20:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As someone with an irrational fear of large floating objects this made me a little nauseous to read
Moohcow · 1 points · Posted at 21:47:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Say hwat.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:52:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
... and it read ice cubes a pimp
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:05:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
did it blink Ice Cubes a Pimp?
burgersareon · 1 points · Posted at 22:25:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I walked outside my apartment in south Austin a few years ago and there was a Goodyear blimp doing a similar "maneuver" in the field across from me. It was during f1 or a ut game so it only startled me for a second, but it was my first time seeing a blimp and I was miles from the events so it was certainly a surprise.
hoosyourdaddyo · 1 points · Posted at 22:38:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girl dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
Goodyear?
No, the worst.
spinfip · 1 points · Posted at 22:49:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Oh, shit! He's spotted us!"
"It's OK, just act casual."
yesOknice · 1 points · Posted at 22:58:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
that sounds.. really scary
SergeantSanchez · 75 points · Posted at 16:55:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And they both said "Ice Cube's a pimp"
Sock_Eating_Golden · 23 points · Posted at 16:54:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Three in the United States. Bases are in Ohio, Florida, and California. There are several Goodyear Blimps operated internationally. However they are flown by local operators and only wear the Goodyear livery.
Strictly_Baked · 12 points · Posted at 17:09:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would explain why I saw the Goodyear blimp multiple times as a kid in the Dayton area.
ginganinja6969 · 8 points · Posted at 17:51:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It lives in a hanger in Akron whenever it isn't busy with lighter than air travel
BlueEyedGreySkies · 3 points · Posted at 19:26:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That hangar is fucking massive. Like, pictures and street view don't do it justice. Then when you realize that the blimp being stored there isn't nearly as big as the airship it was built for..... Just fuckin massive.
jonjiv · 3 points · Posted at 21:33:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're thinking of the Zeppelin hanger at Akron Fulton Airport, which is indeed massive, Goodyear doesn't use it for blimps anymore. They use a much smaller hanger at Wingfoot Lake in Suffield. Fits about two blimps.
GiantBowlOfCereal · 81 points · Posted at 16:53:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are more like 8-10 Goodyear blimps. And each have a name like Wingfoot 2 or Wingfoot 3. They’re stationed across the country.
Source - used to do work with Goodyear.
Edit: there have been as many as 10 but they’ve been decommissioned as pointed out below. Only two now.
[deleted] · 37 points · Posted at 16:57:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Used to live next to a Blimp Base down in Pompano, Florida. Giant ropes were used to pull it in and out if the hanger. Was a sight to see
BreadisGodbh · 24 points · Posted at 17:02:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Giant long or giant thick
Alligator_Glasses · 12 points · Posted at 17:03:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes.
Tyzorg · 6 points · Posted at 17:09:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Mmmmmmmmmmm
jobespierre · 5 points · Posted at 17:03:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes
elCharderino · 1 points · Posted at 17:13:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
*thicc
KattheImpaler8 · 1 points · Posted at 01:45:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is important I need to prove a point to my wife
competentcuttlefish · 1 points · Posted at 17:38:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How long ago was it that one of them was downed by a storm?
jonjiv · 2 points · Posted at 21:30:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Last Goodyear Blimp crash I remember was in 1999: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loral_GZ-22
Was mechanical failure, not weather-related.
Oil_Burner · 30 points · Posted at 17:11:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your source is invalid.
As per the Goodyear Blimp website, there are 2 blimps (Wingfoot One and Two, Spirit of Innovation has since been decommissioned); and there has been a maximum of 10 Goodyear Blimps, but never at the same time.
GiantBowlOfCereal · 13 points · Posted at 17:12:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fair enough. It’s been a while!
witfenek · 7 points · Posted at 17:03:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But there are only 13 advertising blimps in the world according to /u/banshiru *. So Goodyear has 8-10 of them?
Edit: Totally botched their username.
GiantBowlOfCereal · 19 points · Posted at 17:06:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have no idea who’s keeping track of all the blimps. But that claim of only 13 seems wild to me.
petesanchez99 · 8 points · Posted at 18:02:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a guy who travels to each blimps last known location, via blimp, to record the data. He then sends that information via a separate blimp, to the centrally located main blimp.
That's why the numbers vary so much, it's unknown if he is counting the messenger blimps in his total, when they are, in fact, blimps currently in use.
India9Quebec · 2 points · Posted at 18:09:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Omfg
Haterbait_band · 56 points · Posted at 16:49:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's good.
Annotate_Diagram · 24 points · Posted at 16:58:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FOR YOU
DrJonathanCrow · 42 points · Posted at 17:02:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, They're Good For A Year!
ChaozVenom · 22 points · Posted at 17:04:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy blimps.
golfgod93 · 12 points · Posted at 17:21:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pimp my Blimp
Ultimatedeathfart · 3 points · Posted at 17:44:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blimpity blimpity blimp!
SeanyDay · 5 points · Posted at 17:46:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yo dawg, I heard you like blimps, so we pimped your blimp to run off cannabis fumes, in addition to traditional fuel. How high can you fly?
SolarSailor46 · 1 points · Posted at 18:30:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blimp fuel can't melt steel beams.
SeanyDay · 1 points · Posted at 18:38:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You must construct additional steel beams
t3hnhoj · 2 points · Posted at 17:25:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well that's good.
Nikomaa · 1 points · Posted at 17:26:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Year
DrJonathanCrow · 1 points · Posted at 18:06:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
We're all good, here. NO WAIT, we're all good-year
meltyman79 · 2 points · Posted at 17:26:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not good for the bastards dyin' face down in the muck so you can have your cushy tires!
wesbell · 1 points · Posted at 17:31:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, the worst
MMEnter · 11 points · Posted at 16:54:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They have 3: https://www.goodyearblimp.com/behind-the-scenes/current-blimps.html
I remember reading that one is for the West Coast and 2 have the east cost divided up in north and south, but I can not find that article.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 17:13:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I drive by the hangar where they store one of them every so often. It is crazy big, my dad claims that it has it's own weather inside too.
BlueEyedGreySkies · 1 points · Posted at 19:29:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It can store both their east cost blimps! It was originally built for airships. Hello from Canton!
Cleave42686 · 1 points · Posted at 22:00:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I grew up right by the airdock and always heard people say that. I call bullshit
bacera · 5 points · Posted at 17:59:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So Ice Cube truly had a good day
mayutzy · 3 points · Posted at 18:03:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which one reads “Ice Cube’s a pimp”?
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 16:52:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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cheezemeister_x · 1 points · Posted at 17:50:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goodsemiyear.
lbreinig · 6 points · Posted at 18:04:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
TIL Goodyear technically no longer operates any blimps but rather two semi-rigid airships, with their last true blimp having been decommissioned last year.
wackawacka2 · 3 points · Posted at 16:59:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I was a kid, I lived about a mile away from Goodyear, Arizona and I saw them all the time. Now they seem to all be owned by Met Life, but I don't know how many even they have.
E_R_E_R_I · 3 points · Posted at 17:45:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whoa, I live in Brazil, on a residential area, and throughout my childhood (some 10 years ago) I'd see a GoodYear Blimp flying over my neighborhood O.o
I do live near an airport from where most of the private aircraft in the city take off, and on the biggest city in the country, but wow.
redlightsaber · 2 points · Posted at 17:41:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And I've ridden on one of them.
Now that's something exclusive!
kitatatsumi · 2 points · Posted at 17:42:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One lives right across the street from my folks in Florida.
Merry_Dankmas · 2 points · Posted at 18:00:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see the Goodyear blimp by me pretty frequently. According to Goggle, there's 3 Goodyear blimps stationed around the country and one of them is stationed in Pompano, Florida. I live about 30 minutes from Pompano so I see that fucker pretty often.
BlueEyedGreySkies · 2 points · Posted at 19:32:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
30 minutes from Akron here. We have the Football HoF so I see it at least once a year. The hangar is fuckin massive.
SkyPork · 2 points · Posted at 18:06:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow ... I remember as a kid I'd see it now and then right outside our window. And I think it was a tiny town in Washington, not a major metro hub. Wonder how we got so lucky....
Dungeon_Of_Dank_Meme · 2 points · Posted at 18:28:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dad says there's 4. Some in Europe.
fencehoppa · 2 points · Posted at 18:52:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goodyear bought two because Heindenberg (the merchant of blimps) told them that Michelin had bought one. Then he sold GM two because he told them that Goodyear also had two blimps. None of the blimps actually worked.
RandyWe2 · 2 points · Posted at 19:45:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
3
ROADHOG_IS_MY_WAIFU · 2 points · Posted at 17:31:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
2 > 1, definitely more than one Goodyear Blimp
qwik mafs
dumbredditer · 1 points · Posted at 17:09:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is that during a good year or every year?
T_Belfs · 1 points · Posted at 17:28:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When it comes to ravens games, one of the Goodyear blimps comes to a local airport about a minute from my house!
youforgotA · 1 points · Posted at 17:46:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No way. I’ve seen those things at least 10 times.
bjukee · 1 points · Posted at 17:54:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see them at the beach I’m Florida literally every weekend
Powered_by_JetA · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There’s one based in Pompano Beach.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:26:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wasn't there a 3rd one? I remember reading about three growing up.
This is also my hometown's claim to fame. This and Reno 911 basically
BlueEyedGreySkies · 1 points · Posted at 19:33:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's 3 Goodyear blimps. 2 based in Akron and 1 in California.
Powered_by_JetA · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
2 now, one based in Akron and one based in Pompano each, but there’s a third on order.
TrollinTrolls · 1 points · Posted at 18:39:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Google just told me there are 3.
Herculefreezystar · 1 points · Posted at 18:40:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ive seen the goodyear blimp over my town maybe a half a dozen times in my life. It seems so show up around MonsterJam and fly around for that.
hilarymeggin · 1 points · Posted at 18:44:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whoa, I thought there was a whole fleet of them! I’ve seen it all over the place too!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:49:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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BlueEyedGreySkies · 2 points · Posted at 19:34:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
2 east cost blimps. I live near their hangar.
digitalis303 · 1 points · Posted at 19:19:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I guess I had really good fortune. During 6th grade (mid 80s) my family moved to Boca Raton Florida. There was a Goodyear blimp stationed about a mile or two from our house (It was called Enterprise back then IIRC). There was also a MetLife blimp based in Miami then. I would routinely see two blimps at the same time. But only the Goodyear had lights all over it to advertise at night. One of my nice Florida memories.
shart_attacked · 1 points · Posted at 19:44:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But do both of them read "Ice Cube's a pimp"?
skidude0403 · 1 points · Posted at 19:44:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They both read: Ice Cube's a pimp.
Steener13 · 1 points · Posted at 20:34:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are 2 Goodyear blimps in North America. And just recently retired the 3rd in 2017. There are also numerous blimps around the world for Goodyear but I cannot find an exact number.
michaelwc · 1 points · Posted at 21:10:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They got 3. One is a blimp, the other two are technically Zeppelins as they have an internal structure. The spirit of innovation is the last of the old "balloon" style and replaced the spirit of akron.
Roach_Coach_Bangbus · 1 points · Posted at 21:32:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One always has to display Ice Cube's the top pimp.
AnimationMerc · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There has to be multiples. One "lives" in Carson, CA (LA area) and is pretty much always here. You can see it from the freeway and over town often.
Hicko11 · 1 points · Posted at 21:50:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
they had 10 at one point but in 12 months, 8 crashed, broke or just failed............. that was a Badyear
ill see myself out
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:53:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw a Goodyear blimp in Grand prairie a while back. I was so amazed! Nobody else thought it was cool ...
dandelion_milk · 1 points · Posted at 22:39:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of them is in Carson, CA, just south of Los Angeles. You can see it on the freeway when you’re driving to IKEA.
They just retired one last year and the newest generation blimp was introduced in December.
Poppin__Fresh · 1 points · Posted at 22:50:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's at least one in Australia. I've seen it in two different cities, one major and one small town.
jaytaicho · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
And Duff own at least one.
BigBossSelf · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:34 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can confirm. They have one in Florida that roams about, and another one based in their headquarters in Akron, Ohio.
mynameisfreddit · 1 points · Posted at 00:49:30 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
But we sometimes have them in the UK as well over cricket grounds.. Are you telling me that thing can cross the Atlantic?
TolinFitz · 1 points · Posted at 02:24:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Had a chance to take a ride in the Goodyear blimp in Long Beach California when I was a kid. Wild experience... nearly vertical take off and super loud in the cabin. Pilot steers with foot pedals. Looks so peaceful from the ground
fryingchicken · 1 points · Posted at 02:25:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually they replaced one of them with a zeppelin
Parmaker93 · 1 points · Posted at 02:44:33 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Three now actually. They just recently stationed Wingfoot 3 in Cali. 1 and 2 are in Akron and Pompano respectively.
Source: Recently won a trip to ride in Wingfoot 2.
Blue-eyed-lightning · 1 points · Posted at 03:34:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I thought there where more. I've seen one around Columbus a couple times and once parked in a field near a local mall.
delicious_tomato · 1 points · Posted at 07:34:14 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
I operated two blimps once.
Results were not ideal.
TheDuff4 · 29 points · Posted at 16:47:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are actually three right now. They are based out of California, Florida, and Akron, Ohio. As a northeast Ohio resident I see one fly over all the time.
connoriroc · 5 points · Posted at 19:03:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I sometimes run around the blimp base in pompano florida those things are speedy
wjoe · 3 points · Posted at 22:02:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw it in London a few years ago, I think when the Olympics were on here. Surely they can't make transatlantic flights?
Edit: A quick google brings some answers. It was indeed a different blimp to the US ones, Goodyear leased 2 from an airship company and added their livery to it. So it didn't make a transatlantic flight, but it did actually go on to travel around 20 countries in Europe, so they have more range than I thought: http://metro.co.uk/2011/04/19/pictures-goodyear-blimp-airship-takes-a-ride-over-london-652201/
Also it blew up a few months later: https://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/13/goodyear-spirit-of-safety-crash-claims-pilots-life-in-germany/
Occhrome · 22 points · Posted at 16:48:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Driving by the freeway (405?) and seeing it tied down like some pet is hilarious to me.
pseydtonne · 18 points · Posted at 16:56:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, the scale screws it up. Here's this mighty air fortress, this icon of advertising -- sitting in a perfectly manicured open field like a picnic prop.
Then some guy comes to a complete stop in the carpool lane and I'm back to reality.
Ashybuttons · 106 points · Posted at 16:38:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Semi-related fun fact, the Goodyear Blimp isn't technically a blimp at all. It's a Zeppelin.
[deleted] · 74 points · Posted at 16:45:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even more fun fact the good year blimp is in fact a blimp not a zepplin. A zepplin has a somewhat rigid body where as a blimp is kept shape from air pressure alone which is what the good year blimp is
_Brazenhead_ · 42 points · Posted at 16:49:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/funfactbattles
Jaegermeiste · 16 points · Posted at 16:56:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just going to exacerbate this issue further: 1 Blimp and 2 Semi-Rigid Zeppelins: https://www.goodyearblimp.com/behind-the-scenes/current-blimps.html
_dirt_vonnegut · 3 points · Posted at 17:17:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
zero blimps. goodyear is using the name blimp, but none of their airships are categorized as blimps, because they hall have semi-rigid internal frames.
Jaegermeiste · 2 points · Posted at 17:31:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you not read the link? Spirit of Innovation has no frame. Wingfoot 1 + 2 do.
_dirt_vonnegut · 6 points · Posted at 19:07:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did, the link is out of date. The Spirit of Innovation was decommissioned on March 14, 2017. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-goodyear-blimp-20170314-story.html
Burnaby · 0 points · Posted at 17:01:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/hashbrowns
Eats_Ass · 30 points · Posted at 16:50:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is correct. Know your Dirigibles!
Dirigibles include rigid airships (like the Hindenburg), semi-rigid airships (like the Zeppelin NT), and blimps (like the Goodyear blimp).
jungl3j1m · 7 points · Posted at 16:58:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a Spanish speaker, I'm going to hazard that "dirigible" refers to the fact that they can be steered.
Eats_Ass · 10 points · Posted at 16:59:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Otherwise, it's a free floating balloon.
Pyperina · 2 points · Posted at 19:50:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What! I never made that connection.
Materias · 11 points · Posted at 17:31:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Extra bonus fun fact: The Goodyear blimp once read "Ice Cube's a pimp."
therascalking0000 · 11 points · Posted at 17:00:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even Funner Fact, you're both partially correct. The Goodyear blimp is a semi-rigid dirigible, ergo a blimp. It is however made by the German corporation Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik GmbH, thus in this sense, it is also a Zeppelin.
Sock_Eating_Golden · 5 points · Posted at 17:02:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That was true up until the current generation of Goodyear Airships. The GZ-19, 20, and 22 all fit your description.
The current generation, LZ N07-101, are semi rigid Zeppelin NT airships.
johnthegreata1995 · 4 points · Posted at 18:03:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The new Goodyear "blimps" wingfoot 1 and 2 are both zepplins.
nerevisigoth · 1 points · Posted at 22:00:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is no longer the case. Goodyear has recently replaced its fleet with semi-rigid airships built by Zeppelin.
bran_the_clever · 8 points · Posted at 16:55:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Even more fun fact: Led Zeppelin isn't really a zeppelin.
Burnaby · 5 points · Posted at 17:04:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And Jefferson Airplane wasn't an airplane!
Ashybuttons · 5 points · Posted at 17:12:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good God, what about Jefferson Starship?
fupatroll · 8 points · Posted at 17:55:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
actually a rock and roll based construction firm.
Ashybuttons · 3 points · Posted at 18:54:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I did hear that they built this city.
fupatroll · 3 points · Posted at 23:15:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They really just use rock and roll for the foundations, the rest is pretty standard.
Livnontheedge · 59 points · Posted at 16:42:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This was semi-related, but it wasn’t fun. Here’s half an upvote... and I’ll round up, because I’m feeling generous today.
Desura141 · 51 points · Posted at 16:44:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fuck you, I had fun
keithwilliamcraig · 11 points · Posted at 16:46:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So much fun
Empyrealist · 5 points · Posted at 16:52:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm having fun right now
Tinfoilpain · 7 points · Posted at 16:46:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why we need a side vote.
Ashybuttons · 1 points · Posted at 16:51:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Left or right?
TheDankestMeatball · 1 points · Posted at 16:56:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes
rotll · 5 points · Posted at 16:52:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Although technically incorrect, Goodyear has planned to use "blimp" in reference to these new semi-rigid models."
Source...
3_quarterling_rogue · 5 points · Posted at 16:52:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yippie, a zeppelin!
fotografamerika · 2 points · Posted at 16:57:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What's that behind the desk?
Panda_Man_ · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I understand this reference
Die_noceros · 6 points · Posted at 16:51:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The term is actually "Semi-Rigid Airship." Calling them Zeppelins is like calling any facial tissue "Kleenex." They were only called Zeppelins when they were made/designed by Ferdinand von Zeppelin.
old_wired · 6 points · Posted at 17:07:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope. They are Zeppelins.
Model LZ N07-101, constructed by Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik GmbH & Co KG (founded in 1993) a daughter of Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH (founded in 1908) the original Zeppelin company.
_dirt_vonnegut · 0 points · Posted at 17:18:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A Zeppelin is a type/category/brand that falls under the envelope of semi-rigid airships.
Afghan_dan · 5 points · Posted at 17:26:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goodyear's semi rigid airships are built by Zeppelin though.
badmother · 6 points · Posted at 16:47:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, it's actually a "semi-rigid airship" sauce
Livnontheedge · 5 points · Posted at 16:55:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m REALLY disappointed that was actually a wiki source and NOT the Episode of Archer I thought it was.
_Valisk · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:22 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jesus, Lana, the helium!
JohnDalysBAC · 2 points · Posted at 18:09:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fucking Hindenburg 2.0 is what it is!
Bricknody · 10 points · Posted at 16:55:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Even saw the lights of the Goodyear Blimp and it read ‘Ice Cube’s a pimp’”
Followlost · 4 points · Posted at 16:53:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember going out for a cigarette on my balcony dt Toronto last year... I looked up at the damn thing nearly scared the shit out of me... was just hovering there
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 17:14:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are two. One for regular advertisement, and the other one reads "Ice Cube's a pimp," and will continue to do so until he dies.
NoOpinionsPleaseEver · 3 points · Posted at 20:50:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kind of off topic, but I've always thought a really fat rapper could dress in shiny suit and call himself The Goodyear Pimp.
cowpace · 2 points · Posted at 17:09:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There’s a reason the call it blimp worthy
onlysoftcore · 2 points · Posted at 17:45:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They operate two.
Source: I live near the Goodyear airfield where they launch the blimps.
gladvillain · 2 points · Posted at 17:56:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve ridden in it!
basement_crusader · 2 points · Posted at 19:05:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blimps/airships/dirigibles need to be given another chance. They're efficient, fun to be in, and aren't terrifying like a hot air balloon.
You know what I noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even when the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I told Reddit that, like, an entire family would be roasted alive soaked in jet fuel, or a 757 full of people will plunge 16000 ft into a suburb, nobody panics. Because it's all part of Southwest's plan. But when I say that one little old Hindenburg will be incinerated, well then everybody loses their minds.
Praefectus27 · 2 points · Posted at 19:21:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve actually flown the Goodyear blimp. It’s weird doing 30mph in something as big as a football field.
PM_ME_KNEE_SLAPPERS · 1 points · Posted at 16:52:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://corporate.goodyear.com/content/dam/goodyear-corp/images/image-gallery/FOUR-BLIMPS-OVER-AKRON.jpg
At least 4.
PaulaDeenButtaQueen · 1 points · Posted at 17:17:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live a block away from one of them, I’ve seen two of them flying around at once, but that’s the most I’ve seen.
Justforthethrill_ · 1 points · Posted at 17:38:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Odd that they would fly a Goodyear blimp on a year that has shown itself to be bad.
venusblue38 · 1 points · Posted at 17:45:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did it say Ice Cubes a pimp?
ClosedRhombus · 1 points · Posted at 17:46:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I flew the one out of Florida, when I was 15.
willi_werkel · 1 points · Posted at 17:53:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes, I have seen it once in my life too! Around 2002-2004 in Germany.
kcg5 · 1 points · Posted at 17:54:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ice cubes a pimp?
GodOfAllAtheists · 1 points · Posted at 17:54:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are 2. The rest are disguised motherships
bullshitfree · 1 points · Posted at 18:01:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Years ago there was one in Spring, TX (just north of Houston). Saw it all the time when we lived in Spring, it was right off of I-45 and we passed it often. It was always cool to see it out of the hangar.
IWillDoItTuesday · 1 points · Posted at 18:07:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And it reads “Ice Cube’s a pimp.”
wewontstaydead · 1 points · Posted at 18:10:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did it or has it ever read Ice Cube's a pimp?
ctilvolover23 · 1 points · Posted at 18:13:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw one at a blimp festival and that's it.
Powered_by_JetA · 0 points · Posted at 21:44:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Only one blimp at a blimp festival?
ctilvolover23 · 1 points · Posted at 23:14:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I only saw one outside of a blimp festival.
tweedlefeed · 1 points · Posted at 18:19:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And Lou Pearlman of boyband hitmaker fame used to (unsuccessfully) run a company renting out blimps as a get rich quick scheme.
Horse_Bacon_TheMovie · 1 points · Posted at 18:20:01 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
did you see the one that said "Ice Cube is a pimp"?
CoolAppz · 1 points · Posted at 18:23:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw one in Rio de Janeiro a few years ago
Koloradio · 1 points · Posted at 18:26:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well that's the one that they use to follow you.
qdhcjv · 1 points · Posted at 18:32:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Goodyear blimp passed over Boston while I was walking my dog. He was pretty intrigued.
dasbentobox · 1 points · Posted at 18:33:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Saw one over my freshman high school football away game, pure coincidence. We won 62-0. :)
drumstyx · 1 points · Posted at 18:40:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Keep in mind that wherever you see them, it's likely a huge public event, not to mention you can see them for miles around.
Crazyleprechaun87 · 1 points · Posted at 18:55:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wait the Goodyear blimp goes places outside of the LA OC area wtf my life is a lie
9bikes · 1 points · Posted at 19:00:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Spirit of Innovation is based in Carson, California.
Wingfoot One is based in Pompano Beach, Florida.
Wingfoot Two is based in Suffield, Ohio.
https://www.goodyearblimp.com/
gwhh · 1 points · Posted at 19:21:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good year has 4 last time I read about them.
Simple_Danny · 1 points · Posted at 19:54:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's following you. Like the shark from Jaws 2.
Legend017 · 1 points · Posted at 20:37:58 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
3 of them. Or there were. Source: Am from near Akron.
renotime · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I once saw the oscar weiner mobile.
Flightyler · 1 points · Posted at 20:45:02 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw one once when I was flying and did a circle around it about a mile away... it kinda made me feel like a WWI fighter pilot
LovinInTheSummertime · 1 points · Posted at 21:05:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goodyear?
Chees3tacos · 1 points · Posted at 21:44:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Goodyear blimp can't clear the Rockies, so we have one for the west coast up to BC and one for the rest of the country.
Source: Goodyear has been my family's goto for employment for multiple decades. I "flew" the blimp in Abbotsford BC when I was 8.
CappuccinoBoy · 1 points · Posted at 21:55:59 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see the blimp almost at least once or twice a week over the spring and summer. I guess it doesn't hurt that I live 5 minutes from the hanger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
robogo · 1 points · Posted at 22:03:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, but the Goodyear blimp reads "ICE CUBE'S A PIMP"
ContainsTracesOfLies · 1 points · Posted at 22:16:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What's the difference between a blimp and 365 blowjobs.
One's a Goodyear, the other is an amazing year.
Peacemaker_58 · 1 points · Posted at 22:30:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fun fact, it's no longer a blimp they use. It is technically a different type of airship.
kakatoru · 1 points · Posted at 22:35:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which country?
YddishMcSquidish · 1 points · Posted at 22:38:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's also met life, I saw that one on the 408 Everytime going past the airport in Orlando.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:01:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They have three. They just retired their last official blimp. Now they have three "semi-rigid air ships".
MagTron14 · 1 points · Posted at 23:52:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of them lives next to the 405 in Southern California! Whenever I go to LA I see it.
CFODad · 1 points · Posted at 00:49:16 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually flew in one of them as a youngster, probably 1981 or so. Very cool.
InedibleMe · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
There are two Goodyear blimps. I work in a building connected to the hanger and I see them out all the time when the weather permits. I always used to think there was one until I started working there.
aginor7184 · 1 points · Posted at 01:41:29 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw one yesterday. It's commonly seen floating over the beach. I live in Florida
Sockaide · 1 points · Posted at 01:48:07 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have a photo of a Goodyear Blimp Lansing at a tiny regional airport in Michigan when my dad was flying his little two-seater. I did not realize how rare that blimp must have been!
weezerette · 1 points · Posted at 01:59:49 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Goodyear has three: one in Ohio, one in Florida, and one in California. Akron, Ohio is Goodyear’s world headquarters so lots of us around here know stupid shit about Goodyear
Source: live in Akron
jschinker · 1 points · Posted at 02:56:47 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Three in America. There's one in Akron Ohio, one in Carson, California, and one in Pompano Beach, Florida.
Igotolake · 1 points · Posted at 03:21:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They’re just following you. Be careful.
TommyEria · 1 points · Posted at 04:25:39 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in Akron, we see those fuckers all summer long. It's funny when people visit from out of town and are in awe of a blimp. I figured it was normal my whole life.
There are 2, but Goodyear no longer owns them. It's some place in California.
Unic0rnBac0n · 147 points · Posted at 16:44:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
A wild guess that atleast 10 of those are in america
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS · 27 points · Posted at 17:26:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
At football stadiums.
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 19:08:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
All of them are in America, or owned by American companies and shipped around the world.
underthingy · 5 points · Posted at 06:29:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've seen one in Australia a few times.
hank01dually · 12 points · Posted at 02:30:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well I do recall there being a German one. You know, before it’s little accident.
Attican101 · 5 points · Posted at 03:10:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That was a Zeppelin though which has an internal structure to it unlike a blimp.
Protheu5 · 3 points · Posted at 16:58:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
A rigid airship?
MasterPsyduck · 4 points · Posted at 19:14:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’ve seen 2 at once so at least 2 lol.
Ridikiscali · 4 points · Posted at 03:17:55 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. It’s fun to watch them toot around the country during football season. You will see them floating around from city to city in the middle of nowhere.
SheeEttin · 3 points · Posted at 04:04:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
How do I get a job as blimp crew
7_beggars · 0 points · Posted at 13:49:53 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see what you did there...fat Americans. We DO like our fizzy drinks and processed food over here.
Unic0rnBac0n · 2 points · Posted at 14:20:13 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah, I'm just saying you like your blimps!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 02:46:20 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Imposter. No American says fizzy drinks.
LTZeyphyr · 127 points · Posted at 16:38:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw a Goodyear blimp fly over my job yesterday 🤔
jesjan90 · 246 points · Posted at 16:48:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
But did it read "Ice Cube's a pimp"?
Empyrealist · 27 points · Posted at 16:53:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Only if it was a good day
Klin24 · 13 points · Posted at 17:55:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you have to use your AK?
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 18:02:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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clemtiger2011 · 2 points · Posted at 18:56:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It wasn't January 20th, so it wasn't the good day Ice Cube references.
this_guy_here_says · 5 points · Posted at 22:50:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you fuck around and get a triple double?
jaytaicho · 1 points · Posted at 23:58:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you get a tweet from Kim?
astroK120 · 10 points · Posted at 16:49:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in a suburb about an hour outside San Francisco, and when it's in the bay area they park it at the airport in my town. Drive by it every day for like a week when the Super Bowl was here. I think it was here for the finals too.
taurodont · 4 points · Posted at 17:41:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Livermore?
astroK120 · 2 points · Posted at 17:59:46 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep
zach2992 · 7 points · Posted at 16:44:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have one in my area right now.
[deleted] · 59 points · Posted at 16:45:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your mom doesn't count
SickBurnBro · 23 points · Posted at 16:47:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
resistrevolt · 5 points · Posted at 18:18:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Username checks out
Supervarken_ · 1 points · Posted at 16:48:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ayy
jakey213 · 2 points · Posted at 16:46:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I was a betting man, I would bet you guys live really close to each other!
zach2992 · 1 points · Posted at 17:32:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, yes. I just took a quick look at his comments.
jakey213 · 2 points · Posted at 17:35:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
New bestie?!
drivinward · 1 points · Posted at 18:26:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s planning to steal it from you, be careful.
AngryWizard · 127 points · Posted at 16:42:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'd never thought about this before. Do they fly to different events or do they get deflated packed and shipped to different events, I wonder.
karizake · 103 points · Posted at 17:29:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you play ominous music they just kinda show up.
arnaudh · 20 points · Posted at 16:45:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Asking the right question.
phareous · 16 points · Posted at 16:51:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty sure they fly everywhere
AngryWizard · 14 points · Posted at 18:51:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They seem so slow, but i've never seen one 'floor it'.
morrisbear · 11 points · Posted at 19:47:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Google says they can go 75 MPH, up from about 50 in older ones.
AngryWizard · 8 points · Posted at 20:24:50 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn that's pretty awesome, especially considering they don't have to follow the roads.
b_tight · 2 points · Posted at 21:46:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Going all out probably isnt very efficient fuel-wise though.
[deleted] · 28 points · Posted at 17:15:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
For some reason, I'm imagining a blimp flying cross county, on their way to steal your girl.
stir · 8 points · Posted at 19:01:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think they fly to different events. There was a really good How To Do Everything episode about it - apparently there have been more astronauts than blimp pilots
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 17:59:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The larger airships don't deflate easily. Since they rely mostly on airpressure to keep their shape, they require internal support structure to get any sort of speed and maneouverability.
archlich · 5 points · Posted at 21:42:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Helium is also expensive, and wouldn't make financial sense to deflate them only to re-inflate them with more helium. Especially because they're going to need to transport helium there anyway, might as well use a gigantic blimp.
EatSleepJeep · 14 points · Posted at 18:05:16 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They fly around
ballpark_mustard · 3 points · Posted at 00:38:18 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Akronite here, Goodyear builds the blimps in the Airdock, gives them a few weeks of testing, then flies them out to their new home.
https://www.dailybreeze.com/2017/10/26/its-here-goodyears-next-generation-blimp-arrives-in-southern-california/
It was really cool watching two of them putz around town last summer.
donaldrcx3 · 1 points · Posted at 01:50:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh shit Akron, Ohio. Born in Barberton.
Ridikiscali · 1 points · Posted at 03:20:21 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
They fly to different events. It’s common to see one flying around Texas for all the football games during the season. Since I lived in central Texas, I’d see one going from Dallas to Austin and Austin to Houston....
elzorrodorito · 1 points · Posted at 03:34:11 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw the MetLife blimp in Ankeny, IA several years ago. There was no reason to be there that I could think of. I thought it must have been stopping on its way somewhere else.
infernalsatan · 0 points · Posted at 16:52:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They get deflated, packed, and hidden in construction trailers
Jaspersong · 5 points · Posted at 17:06:52 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
why hide such a beauty
infernalsatan · 6 points · Posted at 17:20:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because sometimes silicon valley company executives need an escape plan
RCJHGBR9989 · 31 points · Posted at 16:41:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in LA it’s always awesome seeing the Goodyear Blimp flying overhead!
kgunnar · 10 points · Posted at 17:30:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially when it advertises that you are a pimp.
DrunkonIce · 1 points · Posted at 02:05:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Today was a good day
xuan135 · 18 points · Posted at 16:44:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Source?
MACESC2 · 24 points · Posted at 16:48:18 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw a small blimp in Smyrna, TN yesterday. I don't believe this person.
boyblueau · 3 points · Posted at 22:47:51 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's an Appliances Online one in Sydney. 13 is such bullshit. American centric stats. But more importantly why isn't there a 24/7 blimp tracker so we can watch all the blimps.
OneMulatto · 2 points · Posted at 16:57:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to live in that exact town. Small world. Blimps are cool but, what happened to hot air balloons?
grease_monkey · 7 points · Posted at 17:05:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Go to New Mexico for all your hot air balloon needs.
Chris_skeleton · 1 points · Posted at 20:42:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep, I questioned this since I saw that same blimp yesterday as well.
boycemachine · 34 points · Posted at 16:45:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol that’s so weird to think, growing up in Akron I saw them literally all the time
JapanStan · 18 points · Posted at 16:51:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hey Akron represent. My parents got me in the habit when I was little of screaming "BLLLLIIIIIIMMMMP" every time we saw one. Good times.
Edit: I miss Swensons :(
Charod48 · 5 points · Posted at 17:42:23 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
3-3-0!
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 17:27:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I missed Swenson's when I moved from Akron to Cleveland, and then they opened one five minutes away from me on the east side of Cleveland last week! Now I'm gonna be fat again!
When I was in college I seriously ate at the North Hill location twice a week. It was my motivation to get out of bed and commute on days where I only had one class.
OhBluuurgg · 4 points · Posted at 17:50:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Golden Flash or a Roo?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 17:53:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Roo, but no love lost for that school.
boycemachine · 1 points · Posted at 19:03:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Moved to Columbus last year and I’m the same way lol. Every time I’m back home I get me a galley boy. Heard they may be opening one in Dublin down here though so I’m pumped!
velifer · 2 points · Posted at 17:25:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
WHAT HAPPENED TO SWENSONS!?
techno_superbowl · 2 points · Posted at 17:34:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
They remodeled some locations and had to change suppliers for the the potato teasers a few years back but other than than not much.
velifer · 1 points · Posted at 17:43:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ok. I heard they were going to open another store in my town soon. Galley Boy, fried mushrooms, and a California in my belly!
JapanStan · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I moved :(
veggiter · 1 points · Posted at 19:17:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not from Akron at all, but we definitely yelled "BLLLLIIIIIIMMMMP" whenever we saw one.
pezman · 3 points · Posted at 16:54:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
pretty sure one of them is actually stationed around there/medina
velifer · 9 points · Posted at 17:28:42 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Goodyear Airdock is at Akron Fulton Airport. Imagine a building that could store several blimps IN ONE CORNER. Got to tour it once. It was hard to grasp just how big it was.
jschinker · 1 points · Posted at 02:59:05 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
...but the blimp isn't there anymore. It's at Wingfoot Lake in Suffield.
MACESC2 · 3 points · Posted at 16:49:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Probably because he pulled the figure out of his butt..
bob_in_the_west · 14 points · Posted at 16:53:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have never seen one, but I've also never been to the US and I can imagine that "around the world" means "in the US". Is that correct?
velifer · 4 points · Posted at 17:29:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sail West from California, get to New York. It's the Reverse Columbus.
bob_in_the_west · 2 points · Posted at 19:08:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not exactly California and New York, but yes, that works:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/3285ww/it_is_possible_to_sail_in_a_straight_line_from/?st=jctfycec&sh=a3baacd5
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 16:54:55 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 19:13:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's talking about the giant piloted ones with the crew cabs on the bottom. More common advertising blimps are smaller non-piloted or RC controlled blimps.
paul12132 · 10 points · Posted at 17:15:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Living in Northeast Ohio, I've gotten so accustomed to seeing the Goodyear Blimp passing overhead in its route from Akron to Cleveland that I never considered that it could be considered a rare sight.
mrsmiaowmiaow · 14 points · Posted at 16:50:53 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've never in my life seen any kind of blimp. I don't think they're a thing outside of the states
spookeymo · 10 points · Posted at 17:03:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
i lived in a small town in poland and saw them sometimes. now i live in germany and see them as well so i guess they exist in europe. and it's really hard to believe there are only 13. EDIT: just found out the ones used in poland are small, about 13m long and steered (?) from the ground
mrsmiaowmiaow · 4 points · Posted at 17:30:21 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Really? I've lived in Ireland, Italy and France and have never seen any there or in any other countries I've been in. I'd love to see one though, they only exist in my imagination from old black and white photos or in cartoon form from the Simpsons haha
32BitLongSucks · 1 points · Posted at 18:23:20 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Zeppelin company still builds big ass zeppelins (predecessor of the company that build the hindenburg), And apparently goodyear got rid of their blimps 2014 and replaced them with mighty zeppelins.
So if you ever feel like spending your holiday in southern germany you can probably find one at the lake of constance. There's the Zeppelin "airport" and you can even check when there are flights over the lake of constance.
You can even book a flight, they're not cheap but I'd say affordable if you really like zeppelins. But i personally think watching it from the ground over the lake of constance is almost better. But they don't fly when there's bad weather (too much wind or rain). And they don't explode anymore, so it is a lot less exciting.
mrsmiaowmiaow · 1 points · Posted at 19:18:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think I like zeppelins that much. For €455 I expect explosions goddammit.
Ben77mc · 1 points · Posted at 03:12:13 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see them in Manchester, UK literally all the time and I've definitely seen more than just the same one.
I even saw one in a remote part of Cheshire a couple of weeks ago when there was no reason for it to be there - no sport or music event anywhere near the area. Very strange for there to be only 13 worldwide, it really doesn't make any sense to me haha.
Ozelotty · 1 points · Posted at 18:02:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There was one flying over Düsseldorf, Germany multiple times this summer. Ad for a bank.
nerevisigoth · 1 points · Posted at 22:03:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Germany is pretty into airships too.
dialingwave · 5 points · Posted at 16:49:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What a racket those blimp owners are running!! I need to get in the blimp game
Sperm_Garage · 1 points · Posted at 01:09:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Keep yo blimp hand strong
jschinker · 1 points · Posted at 03:00:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Actually, their days are numbered. They're primarily used to cover sporting events, and it's much easier and cheaper to do that with drones.
Sneazzy · 6 points · Posted at 16:56:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What's a blimp ?
squirrely2000 · 1 points · Posted at 20:39:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
An airship I think
Sneazzy · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you !
reddit_for_ross · 1 points · Posted at 07:10:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's inflated with helium, it's shape is retained due to the air pressure inside
Sneazzy · 1 points · Posted at 07:54:37 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah I knew what it was in itself, I'm french so I just didn't know what Blimp meant in English
yoman82 · 10 points · Posted at 16:48:03 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fun fact: they're almost all based in a small town of 2k people in western NJ
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:18:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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EatSleepJeep · 4 points · Posted at 18:07:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lakehurst
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bmur90 · 3 points · Posted at 00:44:17 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Solberg is down the street from me and used to have the Goodyear blimp stationed there for use in NYC. However, since Trump was elected and visits his golf course, the airspace is shut down more often and the blimp relocated it's hanger.
Vince_the_Prince · 1 points · Posted at 17:18:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was wondering that. I was thinking I've seen the blue cross one a couple times every summer.
Philestor · 4 points · Posted at 16:50:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
So strange because I live in Akron so the Goodyear blimp flies around the city all the time in the summer! So to me they’re pretty common
pseydtonne · 4 points · Posted at 16:57:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I lived in Boston, I would sometimes use the Hood blimp as my reference. "Okay, so Fenway Park is there and I'm... yep, still in Cambridge going the wrong way."
Aarongamma6 · 6 points · Posted at 16:50:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Can I have a source? Not really challenging it but I want to read about that. I googled it can't find a thing.
AFBoiler · 3 points · Posted at 16:46:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow. I would have guessed there are at least an order of magnitude more of them.
MarioKartGuy27 · 3 points · Posted at 16:54:26 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One used to float around DFW
mmowery1990 · 3 points · Posted at 17:09:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have yet to see one in 27 years, so I believe this.
lovecrafthp · 3 points · Posted at 17:36:41 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Common to see in the US maybe. I've never seen one.
Breealysabeth · 3 points · Posted at 17:55:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live in Akron, Oh and the blimp hanger is in my town so I grew up believing they were extremely common.
DarthLysergis · 2 points · Posted at 16:46:24 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why do we advertise on blimps Johnson? Because where are people generally looking? Right up at the sky.
Zarathu5tra · 2 points · Posted at 16:56:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I see a large blimp flying around Orlando all the time. I think it's owned by GEICO or Esurance.
apra24 · 2 points · Posted at 17:00:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
WHO IS RON PAUL?
steviestickman · 2 points · Posted at 17:08:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ftfy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blimp#Use
Ben77mc · 2 points · Posted at 03:14:18 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
FTFY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blimp#Use
Try to use non-mobile wiki links wherever possible, it's a real inconvenience.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:15:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well now I feel special that the blimp come to my city every year c:. When I was in college, they were here almost every weekend for the football games. Idk why, I just like blimps, they are cool. Cities: Skylines had an expansion for Mass Transit that included blimps - literally all my cities in that game have blimps.
virus_ridden · 1 points · Posted at 17:47:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Blimps are like sky whales. There's nothing quite like seeing a huge Mass like that floating through the air.
Sallman11 · 2 points · Posted at 17:35:05 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Technically the Goodyear’s are no longer Blimps. They changed to airships over a year ago.
Flaming_gerbil · 2 points · Posted at 17:36:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to work at a football stadium and never one saw a blimp. Unless you're meaning American football?
SpafSpaf · 1 points · Posted at 19:42:12 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
From what I know, it is more a thing for American football.
Ridikiscali · 1 points · Posted at 03:26:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Definitely an American football thing.
Every major football game has the following: -fireworks -jets flying overhead at the end of the anthem -halftime show -the Goodyear blimp
This is a rivalry game between Auburn and Alabama (two universities out of the thousand of universities in the US).
tulvia · 2 points · Posted at 00:59:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
When i was in college (2008-2012) i had to drive past a small airport here in palm beach county florida that 2 blimps would regularly "park" for days on end. Saw them in operation too.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:46:54 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Never seen one in real live.
glitterlily · 1 points · Posted at 16:56:43 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a photo of a Tommy Hilfiger blimp over my parents house somewhere in our childhood photo albums. Probably right next to a photo of us playing with our tamagotchis.
wakka54 · 1 points · Posted at 17:05:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's probably just one in your city. I've never seen one in my life and my city's won the superbowl plenty of times.
Ridikiscali · 1 points · Posted at 03:27:54 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Closed stadium?
I don’t think they fly it to domed stadiums.
BigE429 · 1 points · Posted at 17:07:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I grew up relatively close to Republic Airport on Long Island. Whenever the US Open was going on at the tennis center in Queens, the blimp would park at Republic. It was always so cool driving past the airport on the highway and seeing that thing.
banshiru · 1 points · Posted at 17:12:09 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thats so cool! I'm from queens so maybe I've seen it more than the average person...
ProfessorOzone · 1 points · Posted at 17:12:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's amazing. There's one stationed near me in Orlando. Didn't know they was only a baker's dozen.
BumCockleshell · 1 points · Posted at 17:13:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of the Good Year blimps is housed in a hangar near my house! The blimp and the facility is massive in person
MoiraineSedai · 1 points · Posted at 17:16:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well that's interesting. I always thought the blimp/blimps lived here in Cleveland, or in Akron at the Goodyear plant. It seems like it's flying around for almost every sporting event.
exHeavyHippie · 1 points · Posted at 17:17:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm blown away. I travel I85 and see them regularly.
SKEEEEoooop · 1 points · Posted at 17:18:45 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
FTFY
1989_Style · 2 points · Posted at 18:38:37 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
You mean non-rigid. There are no rigid airships in the world at all anymore.
SKEEEEoooop · 1 points · Posted at 19:37:10 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nope, I meant rigid. It’s an Archer reference.
potatoparadise · 1 points · Posted at 17:20:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
TIL
EkriirkE · 1 points · Posted at 17:28:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I haven't seen it in a long time, but there used to be a blimp in San Francisco that did aerial tours
dsaddons · 1 points · Posted at 17:30:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This makes Larry Burn's life a little more interesting.
definitely_not_tina · 1 points · Posted at 17:32:32 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I saw a Goodyear blimp go across my tiny ass hometown in California.
ExBalks · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:27 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
This thing flew over my house. At the moment...I was blimp worthy
Trelga · 1 points · Posted at 17:38:28 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
My mind is pretty blown. I mean just watching college football you see so many blimps on Saturdays. I wonder why they haven’t made more. I’m sure people would buy the advertising space.
scottywarren · 1 points · Posted at 17:38:39 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Damn that's wild. I remember seeing one pass over my house almost every NFL Sunday
surfyturkey · 1 points · Posted at 17:39:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Jesus they must have a lot of them stationed in Florida then
AnticitizenPrime · 1 points · Posted at 17:39:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I used to live a half mile from the Goodyear hangar in Pompano Beach. Its takeoff and landing approach took it very low over my house. I'd see it day after day but never really got used to how eerie it is to have this giant slow moving UFO thing hovering above you.
The Navy also operated a big white blimp in the area too as a submarine spotter, so I had two blimps hovering around. I wonder if that's the only place in the world one is likely to see two blimps in the sky on the same day.
WarrenBuffering · 1 points · Posted at 17:43:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
How are the blimps transported from place to place? Do they fly them? Deflate them?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:43:49 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
What about Conan's blimp?
brotherjonathan · 1 points · Posted at 17:45:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
During the space shuttle era, there were more licenced space shuttle pilots than there were licenced blimp pilots.
LxM_ADB11 · 1 points · Posted at 17:46:56 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
I live right next to the air field where one of the good year blimps operates out of... I see it everyday
csartin · 1 points · Posted at 17:55:57 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its my fault for not watching football, but I don't think I have ever seen a blimp outside of watching TV
45CaliberNachos · 1 points · Posted at 17:56:36 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Man... I kind of forgot blimps were even a real thing. They seem so anachronistic.
SECGaz · 50635 points · Posted at 14:17:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Successfully resuscitating someone who has drowned.
**Edit for clarification: Drowned is the key word. I mean died from submersion in water. /u/Diffog has opened a great disscussion with me on this and this chart is very telling on the different success rates based on drowned vs drowning.
*Edit: At request: https://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/aed-cpr
If your heart stops there is a 1 in 20 chance you will survive with CPR.
An AED doubles your chances! but that's only to 1 in 10.
90 - 95% of hearts that stop do not restart
[deleted] · 20101 points · Posted at 15:05:07 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The movies tell me all I have to do is scream at them to wake up and it works.
Schnutzel · 8714 points · Posted at 15:23:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't forget to pound on their chest.
Boner666420 · 11870 points · Posted at 15:29:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Don't you die on me you son of a bitch!"
Cedira · 4360 points · Posted at 15:37:47 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you're dead, I SWEAR I'M GONNA KILL YOU.
UntoldEnt · 323 points · Posted at 15:40:29 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sometimes it turns into a sexy kiss moment, especially if kids/teens are involved.
Cedira · 377 points · Posted at 15:43:00 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Stormwolf1O1 · 205 points · Posted at 16:32:15 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/nocontext
Speedswiper · 35 points · Posted at 23:26:33 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/evenwithcontext
j2o1707 · 10 points · Posted at 21:06:19 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well played!
Rushofthewildwind · 1 points · Posted at 13:55:39 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Being a pedophile is just a bonus really - Woolie "Darlington" Madden
YJCH0I · 135 points · Posted at 17:27:04 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
aaand you’re probably now on a list.
Closer-To-The-Sun · 22 points · Posted at 22:21:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, your kiss is on my list....
PM_ME_YOUR_CUTE_HATS · 10 points · Posted at 22:23:14 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
:o
go on....
instaluck13 · 3 points · Posted at 02:31:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
For the longest time I thought it was ‘lips.’ But I think we all have at one point or another.
Gestrid · 40 points · Posted at 17:52:06 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also known as tantric sex therapy.
novice-user · 13 points · Posted at 21:04:22 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just ask Barney.
[deleted] · 23 points · Posted at 18:35:40 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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your-imaginaryfriend · 2 points · Posted at 00:49:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That kid's moment of temporary insanity used to freak me out. Just the way he mutters under his breath.
SolarSailor46 · 14 points · Posted at 18:47:08 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's like I know what you mean, but it just sounds off.
tellmetogetbacktowrk · 12 points · Posted at 19:24:30 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
And the lifeguard is never unattractive
putzandgoober · 6 points · Posted at 19:44:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
most of thw ones inwork with are hot as hell.
overcomebyfumes · 11 points · Posted at 22:33:38 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's really shocking that movies and tv would downplay the vomiting that usually happens.
deadleg22 · 9 points · Posted at 18:08:25 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Someone’s into necrophiliaaaaa!
AromaTaint · 5 points · Posted at 21:08:44 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Rigamortis gets me hard!"
UntoldEnt · 7 points · Posted at 22:58:17 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is that what you think that term is? Rigamortis?
dir_gHost · 3 points · Posted at 00:44:35 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rigamortis= Rick & Morty's :P
UntoldEnt · 2 points · Posted at 02:20:27 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ha! i even Googled it, thinking it was a reference i wasn’t getting, but nothing came up...
AromaTaint · 3 points · Posted at 02:28:58 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
For the unenlightened
UntoldEnt · 2 points · Posted at 12:30:00 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s his accent. He’s still saying “rigOR mortis.”
AromaTaint · 1 points · Posted at 23:58:42 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
touche
Must remeber not to drunk post. Or st least spell check.
UknightThePeople · 3 points · Posted at 23:14:35 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
The Sandlot!
TheLoungeFly · 1 points · Posted at 22:06:37 on February 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kick-Ass
Nagasasaki · 2 points · Posted at 01:27:31 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Especially if it's true love's kiss
Master_GaryQ · 3 points · Posted at 02:27:08 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
is this a kissing book?
siophang13 · 1 points · Posted at 03:34:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
*knock,knock*
[deleted] · 52 points · Posted at 19:21:48 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Simple_Danny · 23 points · Posted at 19:53:11 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
That would technically be true. Although you wouldn't receive dessert for an infinite amount of time, depending on if there is an afterlife or reincarnation.
LeBabyEskimo · 6 points · Posted at 22:11:31 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fat kids love cake
BuffTuffBanner · 8 points · Posted at 18:38:34 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
“If I die in here, I’ll kill him.”
SpaceSpaceship · 5 points · Posted at 21:33:13 on January 24, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 5 points · Posted at 02:17:40 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 3 points · Posted at 06:19:38 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex.
StirStir · 3 points · Posted at 07:16:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:18:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 09:19:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:21:48 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:47:10 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:58:56 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 10:05:43 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 10:58:25 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 11:15:52 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 11:54:41 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 21:09:26 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 1 points · Posted at 22:08:36 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:59 on January 25, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 05:34:12 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 06:22:28 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 1 points · Posted at 07:01:52 on January 26, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 06:29:15 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:57:57 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:18:01 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:36:07 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:54:33 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 14:51:02 on January 27, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 01:39:29 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:39:56 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 12:20:21 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 12:23:00 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 21:28:11 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 21:48:47 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 21:51:11 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 21:53:45 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 22:37:07 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 22:53:25 on January 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 02:36:48 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:01:16 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 07:10:02 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 08:09:24 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 10:54:32 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 12:04:33 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 12:45:33 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 13:36:33 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 22:23:55 on January 29, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:03:42 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 06:05:21 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:09:09 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 06:43:17 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:03:31 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 07:20:24 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 20:05:57 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 23:10:46 on January 30, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:05:27 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 06:11:45 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:04:19 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 07:31:56 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 08:23:16 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 10:53:18 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 11:53:50 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 11:56:09 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 12:27:28 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 21:36:14 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 21:37:13 on January 31, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 00:08:20 on February 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 05:56:09 on February 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 23:30:29 on February 1, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:56:24 on February 2, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:28:21 on February 2, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:49:28 on February 2, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 22:58:08 on February 3, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:01:57 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 07:17:07 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:30:02 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 08:02:01 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 08:40:14 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:33:16 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 10:26:15 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 10:53:46 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 11:01:25 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 11:56:17 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 12:26:05 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 22:57:28 on February 4, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 05:39:53 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 06:39:03 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:59:33 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 07:00:18 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:05:40 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 07:05:53 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:10:45 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 08:55:41 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:08:55 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 09:18:13 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:20:17 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 09:51:23 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:54:52 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 1 points · Posted at 10:03:37 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 10:04:43 on February 5, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 11:51:16 on February 7, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 11:54:32 on February 7, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 22:27:13 on February 7, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 07:17:52 on February 8, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:47:19 on February 8, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:58:22 on February 8, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 11:00:29 on February 8, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 12:13:22 on February 8, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 22:39:16 on February 8, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:14:58 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 08:15:57 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 08:52:01 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 09:18:39 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 09:23:01 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 10:41:31 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 10:44:46 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 21:32:35 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 22:26:57 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 23:18:20 on February 9, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 06:48:39 on February 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!
StirStir · 2 points · Posted at 10:00:24 on February 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Shepard!
SpaceSpaceship · 2 points · Posted at 10:06:14 on February 10, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wrex!